Good evening everybody. My name is Andrew Shepard, chair of the planning board. I call this meeting to order at 6:31 p.m. I'd like to have a roll call of all the board members present. Please say your name for the record. >> Lance McNate. >> Carol, present. >> Brett King, present.
>> Robert Taran, present. And Andrew Shepard, present. >> Um, uh, just letting you guys know, you have the camera off still. >> I can't hear you, Heartley. Harley, I'm worried TC cam is trying to silence you. >> Oh no, hear me.
>> Good. Okay. Yeah, I hear your uh camera. >> Still can't hear you. >> Please your camera unmute your video. >> Do you want to try maybe Heartley try? Do you know if you have a microphone that works there? >> Can you hear me? I'm >> on mute. Are you Hartley?
>> Uh no, I'm not on mute. Uh how come you can't hear me? Uh, >> Harley, maybe you want to try logging off again and trying back on. >> All right, I'll try that. >> It seemed like it that you may try that.
We can't hear a thing that you say. There you go. So, I guess for the record, we did have Hartley on and we expect to have Hartley on and he is a member of the U. Would you please join me in the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> I'd like to thank all of our veterans, those currently serving here and abroad, their families, and those who contribute
their time to public service. We owe them our gratitude. This meeting is being recorded and will be uploaded to the Town of Towns and YouTube channel. I do not have any additions or deletions tonight. So I we can go right to 1.5 which would
be discuss and approve draft minutes from November 3rd. Uh did you guys have a chance to review them? Thoughts? >> I did. >> Yeah. Okay. Over Carol. Good. >> Brett, did you have a chance? Are you looking? Uh, not really. No.
>> Okay. Um, I feel comfortable with them. Lance, I know you weren't there, but if if you're read them, you're welcome to contribute. I think >> I didn't say anything. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'd like to entertain a motion to approve the the minutes from November 3rd. >> I so move. >> Okay. >> Second.
>> All those in favor? >> All right. The >> Can you hear me? >> So, at six and two minutes, >> Hutley again. >> Harley, can we hear you? Uh, I can hear you. Can you hear me? >> No.
>> Andrew, can you hear me? >> He's talking though. It even lit up green. >> Yeah. >> Try talking. >> Can you say something? >> I I am saying something. Can you hear me? >> Okay, we can. So, all right. So, you're
coming through. So, the problem is on your end, Heartley. >> Fix it. I'll try. I'll leave. I'll keep trying. >> Okay. Um, Andrew. >> Yes, Lori. >> I just mentioned to you that you guys
are not showing. It's a black screen with planning board on it rather than your video is not working is what I'm saying. >> I just turned on the video. I would shut up on the click here. >> Okay,
>> there you go. There you go. You're on now. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Lori. That would have been very boring for everyone at home. >> Okay. >> They probably would have dialed, you know, left the meeting like in five minutes or so.
>> They could have. They could have be the lowest YouTube watch count for the year. Uh, thank you, Lori. Um, all right. It is now 6:35. I'd like to um to have item 2.1 ANR review 198 North End Road to
create two lots. We have is it Jason? >> Yes, >> we have Jason here from Dillis and Roy. Um would you mind giving us just a brief overview? >> Sure, no problem. Um I'm here tonight representing for M&A um Grand View Farm LLC and the purpose of the NI plan is to
create lot six and lot seven. Um, both lots have the minimum frontage and the area requirements. They're pretty straightforward lots. >> The plans are right here. If anyone wants to take a look, it is in the portal as well. >> And I assume, Beth, that you've gone
through the checklist. >> I'm just going to put it up on the board. >> And are there any waivers? No. >> Gosh, usually we have one waiver at least that has to do with scale. Yeah, it should be what did I put in there? 1
to 40, right? But you don't have to wave it. I mean, it doesn't say you explicitly have to vote to wave it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Not in the regulations. >> Would anybody else like to take a look? >> I've seen it. >> Here I um
would like to entertain a motion to approve the ANR application. I so move that we approve the uh applicants plan as presenters >> and I'll second it. >> Okay. Are you okay with that as motion language?
>> So I would say um make a motion to endorse the ANR and um basically site the plan of land 198 North End Road and Mite the title of the plan. >> So move as said by Beth.
>> Exactly. Okay. And I'll second it as >> Thank you. >> as stated. >> Okay. Excellent. All those in favor? >> I >> I All right. Can you >> hear me now? >> This is Heartley. Can you hear me now? >> Yes, we can hear you, Harley.
>> Thank you. Sorry about the problem. >> That's okay. You're loud and clear. Heartley, we we have just voted to approve the ANR plans. I know this is a poor form for me as a chair, but did you have any thoughts or opinions on the AR that we just approved?
>> No. Um, if you guys approved it, uh, I think everything is all set. >> Okay. Excellent. Thank you, Harley. >> Sign it. I'll send you sign my for you and then Jason can get going. >> Sure. Thank you, J. >> Thank you.
>> Jason said he wanted to stay for the whole meeting. changed it to lot six and seven >> from 5 and 5. >> Yeah, because we can't use letters in this.
>> We can do the rest of them later. All right. >> I think it's probably easier they just come up. And >> here you guys come around. Lori is no longer having video. She might have felt obliged when no one
could see all of us. Yeah, >> Mike, I can't sign it from where I'm at. So, should I Beth, should I come in sometime this week and sign it? >> I don't think you'll need to. >> I don't think you'll need to, Arley. >> Yeah, I think we're okay.
>> Yeah, majority of the board is fine. >> Thank you. Thank you. Okay, excellent. >> Thank you all. Yep. >> Thank you very much. Thank you.
>> Have a great evening everybody. >> Okay. Thank you. Nice talking with you. >> Talking with you too. >> So that is That was 2.1. Um, and because it's not a public hearing, we can hear 6:45, right? 6:45
p.m. So, Joe, Mr. Bole, welcome back. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hello, everybody. Uh, got a couple things to talk to you about tonight. Um, the first one is the uh is
the economic development project. Um, I'm afraid I don't come to you with very good news tonight. I haven't there I haven't made progress on uh the project since we last spoke about it. Uh, as I went back after our conversation, I um
I I realized that while I had a good idea of what it was that you didn't want from last time, I didn't come away from that with a good idea of what it was you did want. Um, and the instructions and my attempts to recreate the trail back at the office have run into a couple of
barriers. Um, one of which is that Karen Chapman is no longer with us at the MRPC. Um, and so I'm unable to and so I don't have access to whatever feedback was given to her. I found I have the email in which
she sent three options for guide books uh to the town and I don't have any feedback any of the responses on that or feedback or have access to it. Um there is a limited amount of time left in this year and I thought I wanted to
have a conversation about going forward on this completing the project satisfactory satisfactoryily the timeline for how that's going to uh be uh and possibly into the new into the new
year and continuing in the new year with a phase two of the project. Um, if we come to the conclusion that what you're looking for uh out of this project uh out of this uh project isn't something that uh we can I can do in an effective
manner uh by the end of the contract on December 31st. Um what would be a a uh what would be a phase one of to of a complete project that we then go on to finish in the next year. I think what I
could really use is a working session. Um, I could come into town for that. Um, I recall speaking about this, Mr. Chairman, um, last time and you seem to be more or less the man with the plan.
Ah, >> so um I was thinking if I I and there is also topic too I wanted to talk about tonight was the uh compliance uh getting getting a compliance application. I was hoping it would be possible for me to
come in uh one day and uh do work there at towns and town hall to um nail down my understanding of this, go over some documents um and uh uh you know work work on this project for an hour or so
and then also get uh uh be work in person on uh getting that application in. Uh I have one question just uh you mentioned that we have a budget for this year and next year. If we don't use up this year's budget, does it does the
hours carry over to next year? >> Yeah, we do not have a budget for next year. We would have to work on that. we'd be have to talk about uh an uh an additional DTA and uh as uh for next year as well as um
we as well as us figuring out what to do in the interim uh between the two phases if uh if it comes to that. Um, in terms of the budget, um, the MBTA community the the MBTA communities act project
was also done on DTA and I can I I can guarantee you and basically this project has suffered at the hands of that one in terms of the hours that took there was more that that took a lot more than we guessed at the
beginning of the year for what is going to for a project and uh that did I'm I'm afraid that did did eat up a lot of my a lot of my towns in time. I have cert and I acknowledge I have not helped the pro the the problem over the past month as
I've been uh finishing out other communities MBTA projects and other things happening at the at the MRPC. But we were kind of behind the eightball when I took over this project and spoke to you last time and probably should have been more real realistic and had a
conversation like this uh then. >> Okay. Um so we don't necessarily know the extent that it could continue into the next year or a budget. We don't necessarily know how many I guess you don't have a good feel for what we're
asking for to know how many hours you can put towards it towards the end of the year. Do you have time towards the end of the year depending on what we talk about for a scale and scope? >> Yes, we fe Yes. Uh yes, there is sufficient space there for something okay that I I can get you something
towards what you wanted. uh a a document, a pamphlet document or something like that. Or if it was more ambitious than that, uh a a first draft of something that you were uh of is something bigger and more ambitious that uh that we were talking about.
>> Okay. Um how how much funds are still available from this year's budget? >> That isn't that isn't really a question I can ask. We it's this is DTA. DTA is tracked as DTA, one big DTA thing and
that's all the DTA projects and in all of the different towns. Um so broadly uh we have eaten up a lot of D a lot of DTI and a lot particularly
MBTA communities uh work and and that's where we are. >> Well, I I recognize >> that that we did It was an exhaustive exercise and we think we did a very comprehensive job.
My concern here right now is should we just put this on hold because of the budget question? I would I would say let's let's go forward with it this year. >> Yeah, I I think we can work through that. I this has nothing to do with town budget to my knowledge. This has everything to do with the Monetary
Regional Planning Commission. >> I say we go forward and get what we can get done this year. explain that to me. >> Lori has her hand up. I'd like to Lori, former chair of planning board and our leazison of the select board >> and troublemaker.
>> Well, I don't know about that, but um June 24th, we had the public forum >> for this economical e economic grant. And there was a pretty detailed synopsis
of the five or six people that met. And I guess my suggestion would be is if you could get those people to I mean I don't know what you're going to find at town hall by by coming into
town hall but the uh MRPC has the synopsis because Tracy did it. So, it's somewhere in Karen's and Tracy's documents as well as I think um Beth would have it and the
and I believe she has the list of the people who attended that day >> uh and spent two plus hours in discussion and there was some really good discussion. Um, and if that doesn't have the list, I can
give you the people who were there. Karen and Tracy were two of them. I was another one. There was um, Sulissio and Patrick who used to be on our board. This this actually stem f came from his
idea to get Kieran on to get or I I forget who what her name is Erin maybe before but that's how we got the grant because of Patrick and then there was and I'm going to say his name wrong so I'm not going to he's an engineer that
serves on uh zoning board right now. So just those few people I think maybe if they got to they could get together with anybody else who wants to on planning with Joe and Joe reading that synopsis they could
then take off from there. That would be my suggestion because that's work that's already been done. You'll have the people who came up with those decisions. You have people from planning board and then you can move forward with what you might be able to do because there was
lots of ideas that came out of that and basically a lot of it had to do with uh branding and um tourism being part of it and somehow promoting towns
as a growth area. So that's my suggestion. Take it for what it's worth. Thank you. Um Joe, I I mean that I don't think Lor's direction sounds totally unreasonable in terms of I guess I'd open it up to the rest of the board for
what we would want from the economic development um TLTA for the end of the year. But I I would think some level of summary from the ser the survey results of 50 people that I did see in the portal. um you
know the the synopsis of qual extensive qualitative discussions that Beth may be able to get you or may have in her email. >> Um >> this is the survey, correct?
Um, so maybe Joe, if you can, it sounds like the only loose end would be, you know, the details from that June event for the qualitative side, but maybe if you can put all that stuff together um into a I don't know,
medium-sized memo of sorts, just kind of summarizes everything. >> I would think that would be satisfactory. >> Um, I I I merely summarizing the work that's that's already been done. I yes, I can certainly do that. I feel like
though that isn't that that wouldn't complete the contract. There was that there that there's a further this further at one time it was a development guide and now it's more of a marketing material that some sort of additional um
something is supposed is meant to come out of this. >> Maybe I'm wrong, but I see those as two different things. I thought there was the economic development and then there was or was that all included? It's morphed. Of course, it's a different animal, but um I would say if
there's some way to incorporate the the marketing survey data into >> an implementation plan. >> Yeah. >> That's really the goal. >> I also felt like Joe was referencing the the permitting guide book.
>> Yeah. >> And was that part of the economic development grant or was that separate? You know, >> it was it was part of an evolution of things. Yeah. So, it was discussed later on and um the board had seen a couple of examples and um kind of selected a
couple that they liked. >> Um but it was never really definitively decided upon. But I think, you know, I still think it's a really good thing to have. I mean, it can be a a new resident book. it can be, you know, if it could incorporate these market survey data
somehow and make it tangible and usable for the community, I guess that would be the goal, you know. >> Okay. So based on what I just heard, what about the production of some sort
of useful for the community document like that um as a DTA project next year informed by a product that I create this year, a summary of the survey results,
um uh um description of the uh of the synopsis of the June meeting and those two informing an implementation plan to direct next year to direct a potential
DTA project to create a document over the course of 2026. >> You don't that's the problem because we have other ideas. >> True. Um, so I think I'm not sure if you can hear what Beth is saying, but I I do
think uh her and Kieran have both have a short list of things that we gain priorities for 2026 DLT grants. >> I'd like to try to get done as much as we can this year. >> Sure. >> In terms of, >> you know, an implementation plan.
>> Yeah. >> We don't want to spend >> Okay. Okay. Okay. So that imple I'll focus on that. I'll focus on an implementation plan. Um familiarize myself more with that uh wi with with with the
the synopsis of the June dis of the June event to inform the implementation plan. Okay. Okay. I think I'm getting I'm getting my arms around a a work product that I can I can get you by the end of the year.
>> Okay. And then I would think separate to that sounds like you coming into town hall potentially working with Beth or someone in the land use office about submitting the compliance application. >> Um yeah although uh I was off I was thinking it would make sense to do that
if I was coming in anyway. But if I'm not um that's easy enough to do actually over a team's call or a Zoom call or something or even or even even over a phone call. Um we did we did it over the phone, didn't we, Mr. chairman. >> You did.
>> Yeah. So, so yeah, that it isn't very much value added for me to come into to come in just for that. >> Okay. >> Joe, um anywhere in this uh program? Are are we integrating anything to do
with our state parks in the town with this uh impact or or what >> implementation plan? Um well I I would think that uh any kind of um
marketing product for Townsend would have to have a certain level of focus on open space and on your greatest open space uh space resources. >> Okay. >> Um >> we have the town. I would think that would be almost as important as
the, you know, the main street, West Main Street historic district, antiquing district, >> right? >> One, there's a real core >> defining um organizing um portion uh
element of what it would be. One of the other um things that you might want to incorporate is speaking with cemetery and parks because they control a lot of
the town parks and they can probably give you some input into this as well. >> Yeah, parks and open space. Uh yeah, >> cemetery and parks. Yeah, >> cemetery and parks and se and cemetery
and yeah, that would especially be important to get a sense of the real iconic uh landscapes or features that that that would fit well into into
this sort of marketing. Um, this is also going to have to tie into the uh the trails >> grants. >> I have one more comment. Um I'm happen to be uh commissioner on cemetery and parks. >> Oh.
>> And one of the conversations or the things that we're considering there is that over the course of the last four decades uh the community has lost its swimming resources.
Um, and so there are only two areas in town where people can swim in natural water. Um and so from the perspective of cemetery parks
um we'd like to change the course on that and implement or see how we can um through grants or whatever uh improve that situation. and two of
the existing places where swimming is available uh are being threatened right now. So, um that I think is something that is a a part of the community that should be
recovered. Anyway, my opinion. Uh, does anybody else have any questions or comments for Joe on this matter? >> Joe, do you have any questions or comments for us? Do you feel like you have a slightly better
>> Yeah, I feel like yes, I have a slightly better I have a way of going forward, Beth. Um, I will be getting back in touch with you as uh as my town contact um uh on on this more. I think that it'll be it'll uh the the work portion of this
I'll be sending you stuff for review to make sure to to to uh make sure that I'm on the right path. We have a summary and a motion in the board that you would like to, you know, see what we'd like to see by December
31st. Um, specific motion and some sort of specific. >> Um, so >> that seems reasonable. So Joe, what Beth is asking for is for the board to put together just a motion that's kind of a clear outline of what we're looking for
from you. if you'd like. >> Check short. So, yeah. >> So, um um let's just This is just draft language and you guys can brainstorm here, but um move to have
MRPC um uh what would be the right word? Finish. What about develop an implementation plan based upon the previous
um work and correspondence by December the 31st of this year? >> I'm okay with that. Does anybody else have comments? Joe, do you have comments? Uh
I would say to expand the the scope of that to uh uh because the implementation plan is one of uh three items to uh produce a um final document which incorporates uh the survey an analysis
of the survey results a uh synopsis of the uh June event and conclusions and an implementation plan. Sounds good. >> Okay, let's see. Let me I'm going to make the first attempt. So, move I move
to have MRPC uh develop an implementation plan based on previous work in correspondence including survey results June information session and June information session
by the end of this year. That >> that sounds good. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. I've moved it. >> Second. Robert second. >> Okay. >> Okay. There you have it. That okay. Yeah. Okay. Good. Thank you, Joe. >> Thank you.
>> Um Beth, uh if you want to let Karen know, uh I think it looks like we're uh ready on the documents and uh if he's got some time, uh uh to block out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday this week. Um, I think we can knock it out.
>> Excellent. >> Great. >> Um, I Beth, I sent you the link going back through my emails. You have the link to the uh to the application. That's correct. >> Don't you that I started? >> She said yes. >> Yep.
>> Yes. Okay. Excellent. So, okay. So, yeah, I will. All right. So, the three of us will have to stay in the loop on all of that. All right. I'll be in touch. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Have a good day. >> Yes. You all, too. Good night. >> Good night. >> Okay. Next item, business 2.3. Appoint a
planning board member to the community preservation committee. Uh I understand potentially some interest from Lance. >> Yes. >> Excellent. I expressed interest at a previous meeting, but I'm also comfortable with Lance's interest and willingness to serve. Um just so the
board knows, the cemetery parks nominated me as well. So I we got some >> So no double dipping tonight there, Ron. >> No. >> So does anybody have any other interests whether Hartley and Carol or Brett? So I
nominate Lance. >> Okay. Second. >> I'll second it. >> Carol seconds. All those in favor? I >> I. >> Excellent. You guys have it. Lance will be our appointee. Congratulations, Lance. Thank you.
>> See you. So 2.4 is reviewed discuss the route 119 corridor analysis. This is I think one we did receive the final plan that's in the portal. Um I did have some updates as well. I did
some work. I reached out to I talked to Beth a little bit about this, but reached out to Mike Busell, who is the current Ashby fire chief, but also was the former Ashb town administrator when they had the rotary at the end middleish
of Wheeler Road and Route 31 done as a tips project with the state. So, just talked to him briefly about kind of their process and I wanted to share that with you guys. I think the biggest things I took away from talking with uh
Chief Busel was, you know, he had reached out to the state. They actually never had I don't believe they had an MRPC study done in advance. So, he kind of reached out to the state and he's like, "Hey, I'm the fire chief. I'm the interimm town admin. We're getting tons of accidents here. Is there anything you could do?" So, the state did their own
studying, which I would expect they would probably have to restudy their own data with whatever we present them. And then the state said, "Yeah, this is pretty bad." And they got it in line and they got it in the state system for a tips project. And then apparently
nothing was happening. It was like six years out for like an estimated wait time, but they were able to identify some federal funding at the time for like rural rural road projects or something like that. So he says that once they were able to access the federal tunch of monies, they were able
to speak to that. Um, so with that, he shared the contact info of the gentleman he talked to at Mass DOT. So myself and CCed with Beth and Kieran reached out to the individual and then we bounced around a little bit and then we we've attempted to reach out to another woman
with Mastio. >> So we really don't there's more has to be done before we can even think of anything. >> Yeah. I think in in my head and what I'm trying to do with including Beth and Kieran is is just try to connect with somebody at the state and understand
from them whether they come to a planning board meeting or they send us kind of a description or something >> but kind of like what are the funding mechanisms from their view would they consider or approve a project like we have here with the data MRPC has put together
>> right so can we forward them what we already have >> so we've already forward it to two different state DOT officials in district three. Okay. >> We just haven't had any comments back. >> I know just having reviewed the different options they were presenting.
>> Sure. >> Some of them sounded really great. >> Sure. >> But then driving by I'm like I don't think this is going to apply. I I think it's such an early stage. It's it gets really tricky as one could maybe assume
from previous experience in past town meetings like the second you put a drawing on paper whether it becomes real or not you know it it evolves itself in people's imaginations >> and I don't think we're even though the MRPC quarter analysis has suggested
certain things I think we're far from any certainty on one if there would even be funding or if the state would wish to include it being a state road >> and two what the means of relieving any of the accidents or congestion or anything.
>> So the next question >> is there anything that can be done in the interim because this is going to take a while before they actually come up with any remedy and implementation. Now I don't totally in
my imagination from a planning board perspective I don't know if there's anything we could do in the intermate road with multiple different property owners. >> Yeah. You know unless you organized a large gathering of them all and had them
all agree to put down some sort of independent monies which I struggle to believe. >> I think it's going to be very very difficult. I think previous attempts way back when with Groten Prol involved is it's
>> plus I'm not sure a rotary at the bottom of park >> at the bottom of the hill is a good idea. >> Just make sure you keep your insurance. So yeah, I don't and I don't even think we're at a point like that. I think it's just treating if we can get the state like bought in a little bit or just
bought in enough to have a conversation and then see what they may say or what they may offer in my in my thoughts. I don't know, Beth, if you have any comments. Well, I think um with the presentation I mean if you guys look at the different
improvement alternatives as a board and you maybe come up with what you like and what you don't like and then um maybe put it out to the community and because he did provide a number of uh improvement alternatives. Um so what do you like? What do you not like? What
what does community think about what is proposed here? Um take the study and just sort of have some discussion on it. And then I mean we could even invite uh representative from master and MRPC. You heard that he offered to help with that
too. So um Brian uh what's the name? Ryan Dhy uh he came to the presentation. He also offered to to get involved in terms of MRPC helping >> the town get you know this conversation going as well. So, you know, do you want
to have um a community meeting? I can put together something. I don't know how you want to go forward with the results. >> Are there >> any thoughts or comments from the board include Harley on the internet?
Uh I think we're at the uh at the point where uh yeah we can uh go to the matter of uh of of funding but if I could just uh mention one more thing now
our concept on this if I didn't quite follow it properly my apologies but the idea will be to turn that intersection into a rotary correct I think that was a suggested option. >> One of several >> that wasn't even a drawing. >> Yeah, it wasn't even
>> because that's really >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I think that's not even >> there would be whatever happens is going to involve all three towns because all three towns meet at that point. Correct. town does it?
>> I don't think we even touch that spot. >> Okay. >> No, it's primarily where we're focus where the the shopping area and the high school is and the the houses there.
So, I don't know how much input and towns that would actually have. >> I mean, Pepper and Goten. Um, >> I think that's where in my mind just getting somebody from the state to engage initially and just seeing what >> right
>> I mean they're the town. >> It's not the other two a problem for the other two towns. >> I don't even know. I mean it is technically town problems but because it's a state road they're pretty restrictive on what anybody can do >> on their state roads,
>> right? Is it even worth getting a community together if we don't have funding? Because I mean >> to me it could be just opening up a can of worms there. >> What about getting uh have we do we have input from the highway department and
law enforcement? >> That's a good question. I did I know Jim Smith was unable to attend the presentation, but I did send it to him. So, um, I can follow up and get some feedback from Jim. Um, you could do a planning board staff meeting, you know,
and talk about the the report. Um, he does in the final report, he does put list the funding sources, and I know they talked about them during the presentation. So in that 134 page final report there is funding um you know
options but you know you should figure out how you want to move forward with that >> because I would think that there would be some collaboration with law enforcement between the towns that one interception
>> yeah Lance I want to see if you Remember when we were going through the veterary hospital there? >> Yes. >> We approved the plan subject to
confirmation from the Commonwealth on the road cut there. >> Mhm. >> That was never delivered. >> Yeah. So, I don't know what we should do about
that, but I do think we got to keep it because we are not I don't think we can bring up applications that have come before us or we've decided on that are outside of what's been a posted agenda item. Well, I'm really upset
because that was a very critical thing that we were looking at and I don't wish to uh diminish your upsetment if that's the right word. But I just think maybe we ought to talk to Beth about that and you know come back to it or make an
agenda item for a future day specific to that to that item. I think right now we just try to keep it within the scope of what we've published as an agenda item whenever the board decides. >> Yeah, I got no issue with looking at it.
>> Well, I mean that was the criteria. >> Yeah. on approval, >> right? >> And somehow it was ignored and um some so from my opinion that just contributed to the problem that we're
just talking about right now. Um, >> okay. Because we have to be careful about the agenda items because of open meeting law and because I I was on the f I'm on the finance committee and we did have an open meeting law violation
because we went off topic from the agenda item. >> So, so we have to be very careful how we appropriate we're talking about the 119 corridor. >> I think it's related. I think if we get into a discussion about the permit application specifically for that
individual then I think it's >> you're off topic. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Thank you for bringing that. >> Yeah. >> You'd be surpris not not diminishing at all your concern. Maybe we can put it on for a future
agenda item or if Beth has any comments as the admin, she can share with you once we >> I would suggest that that be a topic on our >> our meetings. >> Okay. All right. Beth has noted that. Um
so I mean I we don't need to belabor this item too too long, right? And that I I kind of feel a little similarly to Brett that I would worry I don't mind and I'm okay with having community input. I just think you it's
very easy to go around in circles. There's a lot of input like if you just you could have a probably a three-hour meeting about whether a rotary should be in an area that we don't as a town own and I'm sure you get plenty of opinion. I I would think it's
>> I would think there'd be some engineering done this professional recommendation >> which to me is why I'm more interested at this stage in trying to get the state to comment or have some level of engagement. >> I think that's I mean they talked simple
as some signage and some line striping. >> Yeah. Yeah. to doing a three-foot cut on the null before >> the shop was like >> are we going to secure $50,000 or 10 million? You know, that's that ends up
being the difference. >> Yeah. So what he could do is someone could make a motion to um for the chair to meet with um Matt's DOT or officials that could you know on the topic of
understanding what the town can do with the corridor analysis that we have you know just get that public professional input from the state. >> So you could go to you know have him or him and I work together with the state or something like that. doesn't have to
come to every meeting. That's a thought. >> I'll make a motion to have the chair work with the transport state transportation uh >> officials >> to uh uh to to further uh guide us on
this um group 119 corridor analysis. >> Very good. You should have done the earlier one. >> There's been a motion. I second. >> I second. >> Thank you. >> All those in favor? I
>> I >> I have it. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, we'll keep we'll keep seeing what we can do with that and where it goes. So 2.5 is article 5 storm water regulations in support of chapter 85 NP
dees phase 2 storm water management bylaw section 175-35 through 175-50. So, I think um my brief comments prior to this is that I know Brett has brought
up to the board before some interest and some comments on attempting to improve the storm water regulation. And I think Beth I think we're actually at a point where we have to functionally review our storm water regulations for the for
something. Is that right? Is that how I read? >> We actually uh the board revised them about last April. So, they've been recently revised um and that's gone through. But what we did get was a notice from the EPA that our our town
MS4 storm water permit is out of compliance and we need to add more regulations to the post construction phase to be compliant. >> Okay. >> So, it's kind of a tough one. I don't know what they are yet. We haven't got the meeting set up with the EPA.
>> Okay. >> But that's in progress. We're going to find out what we're missing. We will be updating them anyways in some short term, I would imagine. >> Yeah. And I don't know whether it's an addition to the regulations or the bylaw, but it's we are short. Um,
unfortunately, right now, and we have to find out what that is. I'm sorry, I don't have that yet. >> No, we have to wait till we get the new regulations before we review our bylaw. >> Sure. Right. And and I don't know, Brett, I know you weren't expecting to
be at this meeting originally if you had any thoughts or chance to or comments or >> No, I hadn't I was I was supposed to be in California, so I haven't had time to review them, but I think we should look at them as a whole. If we have to look at them for that anyways, we might as
well just review all of them. >> When do you expect we would know that? Uh well, I don't I have to set up a meeting with the EPA and unfortunately um I'm waiting to do that. I'm working with Nelson, the town administrator. All of this came about unfortunately since
the land use coordinator left that position and um when that position was vacant, her email was um wasn't followed. And this apparently this EPA was trying to get a hold of us to let us
know that we needed these two uh well these updates to our bylaws to stay compliant for this year of the permit the town permit. So it was kind of lost in the fray unfortunately and that position hasn't been filled. So we're
scrambling to try to >> get us back in compliance. >> Is there a deadline that we have to do anything? Not to my knowledge, but I will have a a meeting set up and I'll let you know I'll keep the board posted on every step of the way, you know. Um, but yeah, that was just recent because I
just submitted the town report not more than three weeks ago. They reviewed it and they're like, "Yep, this is missing." So, >> what happens if we're not in compliance, Ben, >> as a town? >> Yeah, >> good question. I can find out. I will find out.
>> So, current we are non-compliant. Is that correct? >> Right now, as far as I understand it, with that email from the state, we are we need to in we need to change the bylaw or the regulations to bring it back into compliance. And that's the
meeting that I'm going to have to find out exactly what we need to do to do that. Hopefully, it's a regulation change, which can be easily done if it's a bylaw change. It can't be done until town meeting. So, >> yeah. And one would hope that anything
serious from the state that they would send a certified letter to the town administrator, not just sending an email, >> right, >> saying guess what? Yeah. >> You know, I mean, really. >> Yeah. I know. I don't know what the implications are of being out of
compliance. And I will definitely follow up on that. Not to um add to Lance's point, I do think in some state agencies there's a little bit of bluster via email to encourage certain people or groups to do things. But
probably if we were genuinely in a serious position, I would anticipate the select board would have received some level of formal notice or >> Yeah, >> you would hope so. >> I would hope, but you never know, right? >> Exactly. So, but okay, sounds good. Well, schools get a control
that >> um so that is 2.5 3.1 receive from towns and abuing towns and other agencies. Harley, I don't know if you have a chance. Can you view anything on your portal or
>> was nice enough to email me uh the two uh um announcements uh only two tonight and they're both from PEPL. Uh so I will with your permission I'll read them. >> You you may.
>> Okay. A notice of public hearing, town of peripheral zoning board of appeals in accord with the provisions of MGL chapter 4A sections 9 and 11 and sections 930
and 3320-326 of the town of Prol zoning bylaw. The zoning board of appeals will hold a remote public hearing regarding an application submitted by AA Basil Basili. Hope I'm pronouncing that
correctly, requesting a special permit to allow a home occupation for the purpose of operating a one-share hair salon to be located in a small studio within existing space in the residence. The subject property is located in the
suburban district suburban residence district at 107 Groten Street, Petrol, Mass, as shown on tax 35, parcel 35-0, and by a deed recorded at the Middle Sex
South Registry of Deeds, book 72255, page 546. The public hearing will be held remotely on December 3rd, 2025 at 700 p.m. Please see the calendar on the town of Pil homepage posted 48 hours for
prior to the public hearing for information on how to access the meeting. And then it goes on with the uh website uh um the the the Zoom um link etc. Um written comments should be
submitted on or before November 24th, 2025. Sean McCaffrey, chair, zoning board of appeals. Okay. And >> the next one, hit hit on the applicant. Hit on what it is. And I think that's that'll be good. >> Just the applicant. Okay.
>> Applicant content. Vague content. You don't need to. I don't think you need to do the Zoom stuff. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh, number two, zone notice of public hearing, town of Peril, zoning board of appeals, in accordance with the provisions of MGL chapter 48,
section 68, 111, and 15 and sections 9220 9221, 922, 9223, 3530, and 3540 of the town of Peral zoning bylaw. The zoning board of appeals will hold a remote public hearing regarding
three applications submitted by Pamela Brown on behalf of the subject property owners Lisa and Michael K. Cardos Cardos. Again, I apologize if I'm not pronouncing the name correctly. an appeal of a zoning enforcement notice
issued by the building commissioner regarding a carport structure erected at the subject property and requests in the alternative for a special permit or variance to allow the carport structure at the subject property to remain in place. The subject property is located
in the suburban residential district at 119 LOL Road, Peril, Massachusetts, as shown on tax 17, parcel 39-0, and by a deed recorded at the Middle Sex South Registry of Deeds, book 72872,
page 580. The public hearing will be held remotely on December 3rd, 2025 at 7:20 p.m. Please see the calendar on the town of PEL homepage posted 48 hours prior to public hearing for information on how to assess the meeting. All
written parties are invited to remotely attend the public hearing and provide oral and or written comments to this morning zoning board of appeals. Written comments should be submitted on or before November 24th, 2025. Sean McAffrey, chair, zoning board of
appeals. And those are the only two um notices that I have today. >> Thank you very much, Harley. >> Thank you. >> Excellent. Um Beth, would you care to share an update for 3.2 your administrative report? >> Yeah, I'll just share a few highlights.
U the board received a new application for a accessory dwelling unit um at 48 West Elm and we'll likely review that during their next meeting on December 8th. Um, and then I did put a draft planning
board 2026 meeting schedule in the folder. You guys can take a look at that at your leisure. Uh, everything was a it was a lot of compliance and permit um just friendly reminder letters that went out. They're
all listed in here. Um, and I'm following up on everything just permit conditions and storm water management conditions. So, um, spent a lot of time on that. Um, and really that's kind of it. Um,
oh, 35 Burgess Road. I just wanted to let the board know that the decision did go through the TW 20-day appeal period with no appeals filed, so they can go move on. I remember there was some question last time about that. Um and uh
you know we're compl we're preparing the compliance update for the MBTA that's going to get done. Um oh uh the clerk did submit our articles for MBTA uh and the multif family overlay district to
the attorney general today and we expect to hear back. They have 90 days, so we should get a response February, midFebruary on there, but I expect everything to be aok. Okay. Um, yeah, and I think that it everything
else is in there. And then you already know about the annual tums and storm water. >> Perfect. >> All right. Thanks, Ben. All right. So 3.3
is 108 Fisher Road. >> I did it. Beth, could you give a a quick overview of this one at all? >> Sure. One foot one road is a 8 unit age restricted development and um there are three units that are going to be built
and one unit that's going to be renovated. It's a single family home. He just um pulled building permits for the three units, the three two family units, and um he's got the site work complete.
I did the uh pre-construction site visit and um everything looks good. The only thing I noticed was um that he didn't have the construction entrance put in. So, um I talked to his engineer and uh
the um the developer asked if they could use the driveway as their construction entrance since it's already paved. And I'll just show the board a quick picture of it and uh
what he would like to do this one. All right. So, it's kind of the house is a little tilted, but that's what he has for a construction entrance. Um, and the plan
actually is quite different. It's like a 50 foot entrance. Gravel, you know, 1 and a half inch stone gravel is what's supposed to be there according to his approved plan. Uh, so I did talk to the building commissioner and his request is
basically just to to use this. This is Pitchburg Road as you know. Um, and you can't see the site, but most of the work is down here. It's all downhill from here, which is good. >> Is Is this Phil? >> Yes. >> And is the pool still there behind the
house without a fence around it? >> I don't know about the fence. I am not >> The pool is still there. >> Um, so that's another shot of the driveway. >> Drive. So, um, after talking the building commissioner about this request, I
wanted to make sure I brought something to the board. So, you you you know, you decide whether or not you want to approve his proposal or not. The building commissioner thought that he should at least have 2 feet of um section of gravel, you know, that
required gravel along the driveway because he felt that construction trucks were not going to make that turn. and that most likely they're going to be coming right through here. So, his proposal was, you know, a crush crushed stone along the ride of way of, you
know, a two 24 inch uh section of that right along the drive and I talked to the engineer on the phone um this afternoon right before the meeting and uh he is completely in agreement with that. So, if the board is okay with
that, um, we can start there and then, um, I can monitor it. You know, stop by. It's obviously right off of Pitchburg Road. It's not like we're going to see miss anything, but if you would be interested in making a motion to, you know, agree to to that
option right now, it is a it is change from the approved plan. So, that's why I have to bring it to you. Um, and that's why I wanted to bring it to you, but that's what I have. >> So, the building commissioner
um was supportive of the change. >> He was comfortable with the change and I have an email from him. I put it in here. No, that's the engineer's email which you guys had in your portal. He says, "I don't think it would hurt to
put a 24 inch strip of crushed stone all along the edge of that driveway." Um because no one's gonna make that corner. So the engineer also thought it would make sense to put it along the ride of way. So along Fitchburg Road, even
though it is, you know, sloping downwards and away from Fitchburg Road because the whole idea of the construction entrance is to keep any sedimentation from going onto the public way. >> Exactly. And the way this this land is sloped, it's sloping away from
Pittsburgh Road. However, you are still going to have construction vehicles going in and out because his foundations are not in yet. >> So, one foundation is already >> Yeah, he's got the permit. Yes. He's got two more to put in. So, so if
>> So, we're talking about the current access for the water. >> That's right. Which is >> area that's there. >> That's right. and he wants to extend 2 feet of crush stone. >> He wants to change from the approved plan which is a 50 foot construction
entrance of crushed stone. Uh that's what's part of the storm water, you know, conditions of the storm water permit. Actually, he's requesting a change to use the paved entrance and um the building commissioner is saying, you know, yeah, he's fine with that as long
as you have that crushed stone, you know, that band of crushed stone as well just to keep things stable. He thinks that would be sufficient. So, it's up to the board. I mean, you don't have to, you know, you could ask him to put that crushed stone entrance in, but he's
going to have to put crushed stone over a paved, you know, a paved area. So, that didn't make sense. That's why he asked for the change. So, if you want to just make that motion and and I'll monitor it and, you know, he's perfectly I'm sure he's perfectly happy to do the
>> seems to make sense. >> Yeah. >> Any other comments from the work, >> Brett? What do you think? You're pretty good at this stuff. >> No, I don't. that the building inspector. >> Okay. >> Sure. Okay.
Um motion to approve the recommendation from building inspector. We can crush down with him right away and have uh our planning board has been monitored as needed. >> Second. >> Second. Carol for a second. All those in
favor. >> All right. May I have it? Okay. So that's 3.3. Um 4.1, I don't know if that has any more to say about it, but it's the Citizen Planning Collaborative. They I've not yet taken training. I hear they have great trainings and they have trainings
for planning board members if any are interested. Otherwise, our next meeting is scheduled for December 8th and December 15th. And I hope you all have a happy Thanksgiving. >> Any motions to adjurnn? Motion to
adjourn at 7:36. >> Second. All in favor? I. >> There you go. Thank you everybody. Thank you Hartley.