Good afternoon everyone. My name is Laura Shiffren. I'd like to call the meeting to order at 3:03 p.m. Uh, roll call please. >> Office is present. >> Churchville present present
>> and present. We have guests here with Jodie and Karen today and always get ready to salute the flag but I guess not here. This meeting is being recorded and will be uploaded to
YouTube. Is anyone else recording? Hearing and seeing none. Uh we have uh number three we have no minutes to approve. Right. >> I should have said the sound. >> Next time. >> All right. next time. Okay. So, the
first item on our agenda today is to review and discuss 182 Warren Road. Now, first I'll say that these three properties were they've been discussed here before in town properties. Um, but
they're on today specifically because Karen asked them to be and we have address them before as wanting to get rid of them. So we can do this these first and then
uh close with maybe a brief discussion of the future meetings and what our intent has always been and that is not to own any property >> that we're not using, you know, that we're not in obviously. So, um,
do you want to start with your opinion of these and we can fill you in on what we >> Sure. >> Yeah. Do you want to go in order? So, we have the first one. >> Yeah. Number four is 182 Warren Road. Um, I know there's some history that
many of you know much better than I. Um, >> in quick summary, I understand from the building department, there's not enough frontage to satisfy a building lot in town. >> Um, Is it vacant? >> It has an old um kind of rundown
shack, if you will. Um >> was a house at one time. >> Yeah. But now I think it's sort of fall into disrepair. >> Um >> you know, I think it's a parcel that perhaps someone could put goats on. I don't know. But it's not something that the town I think has a a use for in its
future and it might be appropriate to look to put that on the market. Um >> the whole piece. >> The whole piece. It's about 10 acres in total. Correctly. >> 11 something. >> 11 something. And some of it in the back is damp. Um you know, someone
>> wet damp. >> Well, yeah. Um yeah, it's cold. We said it was wet. >> Yeah, it's wet. >> Yeah. Um, you know, you you may be able to go to the ZBA for a building permit on the front, but I would leave that up to the
potential new owner and them, you know, determining what they want to use and do with the property. >> So, a little bit more of the history for um those of you who haven't been on for that particular property, and Vicki will be able to back me up and Jody on this.
We um have already approached Fish and Wildlife for the back of it, thinking to keep it in conservation because it was stated there's probably some wetlands there, but there's also a lot of debris, tires,
>> there's a lot of cleanup that would have to be done. Whoever went whoever would buy it would have to do that if they ever wanted to do anything. I mean, and a butter could buy it either side >> and um do whatever they want, I guess.
Um where they might be able to get something grandfathered with where the house is now and say take off the back if they I'm talking again now on either side. take
off the back part and keep that with their property or and I don't they'd have to get they'd have to be able to subdivide it somehow. So that's the history of that. Um
I and I think we still all think that it um is probably the only option is to put it up for auction and hope that a butter buys it. >> So to be a devil's advocate, if I was in the butter and I know you weren't doing anything, I wouldn't buy it.
>> Right. Did Fish and Wildlife said we're not doing anything? >> That's what I mean. You're not going to do anything with it, so why will I buy it to make sure nothing? >> Why pay tax on it if somebody else is? So Fish and Wildlife said no. >> They said no. >> They were not interested. >> Yeah.
>> Habitat was also approached >> because of the structure. >> Uhhuh. >> And I think it was just too much. >> How about Nishoba? >> Nishoba what? >> School. >> I think they're probably of the same
ilk. If if Habitat for Humanity is not going to take the project, the expectation is it's probably >> less desirable from the tech. >> Yeah. >> It's really >> You're talking septic. You're talking everything like a new build only you
have to it's going to cost you money to get it down and clear it out. >> Clear it out. And then if you're going to dump >> So what if? >> Well, we haven't tried that yet. So I think that's where Karen's coming from. You know, it's like if you don't try,
how do you know? >> Yeah. Right. >> And the discussion was such before that we went through fish and wildlife, we went through habitat, we went through who what other avenue could we do besides
trying to auction it. And I >> I wonder I wonder how much fun the butters on either side have if one of them bought it. if they had additional frontage that they could make that lot then buildable. I've never looked into that. >> You know, I I won't,
>> you know, I think there could be a a review of the lack of frontage for perhaps a ZBA approval, but I won't promise that. I mean, it's really up to the owner to do that. >> Do you happen to have the plan? I had >> I don't No, I had looked up the plan
because I wanted to see that it actually said on the plan that it's not a buildable lot and >> I think it's designated as that right now. say that. >> Yeah. >> So, you could you could appeal that decision. Um, >> you know, I think our building commissioner and the ZBA would maybe opine on that and sort of see what
they're comfortable with based on other standards that they've done before. Um, >> it probably wasn't Owens that way >> when she when Chingro bought it and then he subdivided. >> He he made himself Chingro when he bought it and he subdivided it and put a
house on. He made his He, you know, he was self-inflicted. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> The one who actually had the house that's now dilapitated, you're saying? >> Okay. >> Yeah. They they split off the the the land they needed that was an approved
lot, took the money for the approved lot, lived on the lot that was re >> grandfathered in and then they >> decided or you know the situation arose that they were no longer paying taxes and eventually the town took it over for a lot that >> is because of its lack of frontage isn't
technically buildable. >> Yeah. Right. Um, so I think, you know, as a course of action, it would be really put it out to auction and let if we got I won't even suggest a number. Let let the public decide if it's worth their
feast or famine, you know? >> Yeah. I don't I'm trying to think last time did the did the last auction did they come up with suggested amounts or did it just go off the assessed value? probably. >> Yeah, I know for like the affordable housing trust, we're going off the
assessed value of that parcel. Could do the same thing. Yeah. Say that's the reserve and that could be the marching order. You know, if it's a dollar, then okay, we need to get at least a dollar. >> Yeah. >> And go from there. >> Um, other question. So, we took it in tax title. >> Mhm.
>> So, if for some reason someone paid a large amount of money for it, which isn't going to happen, but if it did, doesn't some of it have to go back to the MGL has a in terms of how that goes. >> Um, we would probably cross that bridge. >> I mean, that's fairly new.
>> That's not always been the way it is. >> It's within the last 18 months or so. >> So, if they got anything outside of what's the tax lean? So, if they owed a dollar in taxes and we got a $1.50 for the lot, they'd get the 50 >> 50ents. Yeah.
>> So, so if it's been on off the rolls, how do they determine like is there >> Well, there was an amount when we took it. >> Yeah. Like when when it went into tax title, there was an amount that they owed. So anything over that. >> Oh, I see. >> So we would we would get back what we lost, but then we wouldn't get the
>> So there was a number that an establishment >> the state can't make or the townstate can't make a profit. >> Yeah. >> On the reclamation of land. So >> Okay. >> Which doesn't >> do you want a motion? Is that what you're looking for? Or >> I think >> we could do a motion on that one. But
but but what was that? We don't know what that number was. >> No, for 182. I don't know. >> No, but >> we can find that out. Yeah, >> I can. >> But if you But but the bid if nobody bids, >> then it just belongs to the town. >> Just remains as is.
>> Oh, you mean you won't like get rid of it for a dollar? >> This is nothing ventured, nothing gained. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you wouldn't? >> I don't think so. For a dollar? >> Why would you not? I mean, if if it's going to get off onto the tax roles >> because they're not >> just because you're not getting like say
there was $7,000 worth of taxes owed and nobody bid seven and it went down to say 1,500. >> Wasn't it better to get rid of it for 1,500 and then >> Well, not that they did last auction that we would do it for a dollar. >> No. Well, I was just land. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But you can't do that. You don't have to. >> Well, they did. There's a couple, but they started up five >> and they got them for like three. >> Yeah. Okay. So, you don't have to pay and keep it. >> Okay. That's kind of a question. >> So, really just be a motion to authorize the
>> So, we already have that. >> Okay. >> I just don't know if it went to town meeting. I sent that in the packet, >> but in 22 the committee did. I just don't know. I don't believe it went to town meeting. So the committee already
so they did it already. >> I have a placeholder board on the annual >> um maybe I would just >> not special because we didn't reopen the warrant. So >> yeah, it has to go in the warrant. >> All right. So you've got your motion there. >> Do we want to just
>> because 2022 was a few years and in retrospect maybe just read Yeah, just this >> for the our viewers. >> Yeah, I'll make a motion to put the put 182 Warren Road on >> warrant to be sold
>> as as discussed at >> discussed on the October 11th 2020 2022 meeting >> parcel ID 31-36-0. >> I'll second it. Any further discussion? And none. Roll call vote. Carol Hops.
Yes. >> Mary Jane Churchill. Yes. Thank you to them. Yes. Lorship. Yes. Thank you very much. >> Number five. Now this is a new topic. >> Okay. >> West towns and reading room 264 double road.
>> I'll similarly introduce this one. Um West Towns and reading room. um a nice little sort of secondary meeting space here in town. Um we do have some activity where it's rented at times. Um that said, it's only functional for certain parts of the year due to weather
limitations. Um the colder months, the septic system and such is not running or applicable. Um and you know that in itself is a concern. Um the second aspect of that is facilities has identified nearly six six figures in
repairs to the exterior of that building >> based on deterioration, deferred maintenance, siding um and you know >> septic system. Um even an an investig investigation of the septic is probably around the $6,000 number without really
knowing what the outcome's going to be. >> Likely it's a replacement of that septic system. There's a big beautiful tree out near that parking lot that I'm guessing the roots have gone and grown in because that's what trees do. Um, so I have before you, you know, sort of my,
um, thought that maybe we take this historic, this West Townsen historic parcel and we, uh, follow a similar process out to auction and allow, you know, a newcomer to purchase it, perhaps refurbish the inside and then keep the
outside its historic designation. >> Well, you can't have you're in historic district. That's >> you're in the western town historic district. So the inside can change but the exterior cannot. Um and that would be identified through your historic folks.
>> Um so anyone who purchased it would have to adhere to those regulations >> and probably visit the historic district commission first. >> Yeah. Yeah. If they were if they saw it on the auction block per se, they'd probably behoove them to check with the historic folks to see what needs to be done to make it.
>> So did we is this the first time this one's coming up? >> Yeah. So, do we talk to the historical society yet? >> I have done nothing of that because I wanted to visit with the properties committee first. So, >> I would say towns and historical society should at least be
considered and historic New England because they do buy properties and um they >> wouldn't we go to auction anyway >> and they could buy it. >> I guess I don't understand your your >> You still have to go to auction. You always have to go to auction. Correct.
Oh, even if you have a buyer. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Oh, >> it has to be a bid type of process. And for us, it's always been auction. >> We give it over to an auction house. >> I see. But does it have to be an auction? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Oh, okay.
>> Yeah. >> That creates equal opportunity for everyone. >> Yeah. >> Um for a town owned parcel for now, >> like the state, we could have sold 182 to the state. It's another exempt >> nonprofit also or no?
>> Yeah, Habitat would have been okay. >> Yeah, Habitat would have been okay. >> But Historical New England being a nonprofit, wouldn't or the historical society wouldn't? Nonprofit. >> Oh, that's a good question. >> Well, why don't we find out before you answer? Well, I I guess I would see if
you guys want me to go find out or because I'm thinking of the town budget situation, you really need to optimize your dollar values here. Just to be perfectly transparent with everybody like this isn't a time for us to be trying to save a penny here. The town
>> I don't see how I don't get it. >> The town needs money. >> No, I understand that. So, what they would pay, but you're saying >> a nonprofit's going to pay less than the public bidding process. >> Oh, okay. That's interesting. >> And this is the property you going to go to Cambridge for to get the deed.
>> Yeah. Well, that's like I Do you have the booking page? Oh, you can't. It's too old. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Because my only concern is this. >> Well, yeah. I think we should be looking at the deed to find out if there's no reverber. I mean, that would be it. >> This perpetual fund, how that affects
the sale of the property >> or if it even affects the sale of the property. >> We talked about the deed. The deed we'll get as we go about it. Okay. I don't know how that affects the >> Okay. As long as it's the but that might
have something to do. >> I just want to make sure that >> we don't sell a property. We really got some kind of%. I spoke to um Alisa
>> Shrethers >> Shrethers came in and said you you can sell it but it's got to be historic. Okay. >> So what happens to the >> No. >> Well, she can't she can't say that if she hasn't got the deed. What if there's a reverber?
>> I mean >> and then what happens to the fund or if there is a fun does it even exist? >> I don't think there is a >> isn't uh supposed to be according to this. Well, I think there was a worthy card for the worthy poor.
>> Isn't this >> this region? >> Well, this is back how many >> that's like about it >> the way this is. >> It says it's supposed to be a perpetual fund that they're supposed to use the
>> only the interest perpetual fund to repair. That looks like the verbiage of the deed and that would >> Yeah, but that's not the actual deed. That's just a vote, >> right? >> No, but that makes sense that they the verbiage in the warrant is the deed >> because she outlines how she gives it
and what's to be done. >> I mean, you don't have a book and page to reference. So, something about that. >> It's like the kids country playground like it was from 1902. had to go down to Cambridge to get it and they ended up even then they were
like >> here was it >> kind of shrunk their shoulders and I think this is what it is. >> Yeah. >> So I think that's probably the path that will also happen. So I can go down there and Mary Jane can go down there and if there isn't some active committee for this which I don't think
there is what year >> there is not an active committee. It's in name only right. Was it dissolved? >> I don't know. Just wasn't meeting. Hasn't been meeting. We don't have any record about one
person's name, >> right? >> Do you know there's even any money somewhere left in this? >> I checked all the accounting books. There's no money. There's no extra money anywhere. >> So, how did it go away? >> But how did it go away?
>> Yeah. How did it go away? I want to How did it just >> Well, and and the reason I'm I'm bring this up is because just on the outside because you do have French people living here. If somebody got a hold of this and wanted to know what happened, I think we should be able to answer them. >> Well, I would just defer divert to title
insurance on the property. >> That's what >> Does it have title insurance right now? Well, whoever buying it. >> Yeah. When it's sold, the title insurance >> is that the title that goes all the way back to because there's a regular title then you because I remember buying houses I had
to pay extra for the title to go further back. >> Yes. Because I was afraid of property that I bought that I wanted to make sure I had no >> and it's an option that they give you. >> Yeah. Everybody >> Yeah.
>> Even new construction because of subdivisions belonging to somebody else before. >> Right. Um, so >> how would you like to >> I think you should look at the deed before you put it on. I really do. I
think you >> Let's make a motion to investigate the deed. And if the de if town council says that the deed is salailable, that the property is salailable,
uh we suggest the sale of the property. We the town property suggest the sale of the property, but we should get a copy of the deed if nobody has it, just so we can know what the deed actually says.
How do you guys want me to pay for that? >> Oh, >> oh my god. You get it for free. I'll go get it. I will get it. >> You don't get it for free, don't you? >> Oh, yeah. You do. If you go to Cambridge and you ask the girl, she'll give it to you for free. I've got it. >> She's going to go do her. >> She must have She must have an in.
>> Yeah, because I know it's about $187. >> I just did it. >> No money. >> Oh, >> so I go in, I tell them I'm doing and they go, "Okay, I'll get it for free." Why would you Why would you pay for it if you can get it for girl was just there for kids country and they charged me for it.
>> In Cambridge? >> Yeah, I went down there. >> Oh, did you talk to the girl in the outer desk? >> No, I I know. Yeah, exactly. >> I talked to her and then she said, "I'll give you an appointment." I went and talked to them. They said, "You need to give us cash." >> She likes to go to C. Let her go and go
get the deed. She can get it for free. Crazy. And >> she'll be for free, too. >> We have connection. So, what's the motion again? >> I think it's to determine if the west towns and read room 264 Dudley Road is a
salailable property upon review of the deed. >> So moved. >> Okay. Any further discussion? I think that was succinct. Okay. Roll call vote. Carol Hopson says, yes. >> Mary Jane Churchley, yes. Vicky Tidman,
yes. >> And Laura Shiffman, yes. Thank you. Okay. Uh, Hart Library, 276 Main Street. >> Yeah, bigger parcel also historic. Um, or no, so actually this is a gray area.
I couldn't quite >> in historic not in the story, >> but it's not in the historic. So, it's an older building for the town that used to be our library. It is full of a lot of old moldy records. um like
182 Warren Road, 264 Dudley Road, it's not being used. It has its own septic system. I have no idea on the status of it. The board of health doesn't seem to have a good uh record for it either. This would be a sell asis parcel to the highest bidder.
>> Does it have its own septic? I would >> Yeah. But no record of it, but it has its own septic. >> And I always record record of it, but it has its own septic. >> Sounds dicey. record. >> Where is it? Well, he doesn't have any drawings or anything of it.
>> I believe it's the where there's a pickup truck that sometimes parks up there. >> I think that's it's just sandy soil, but Rick could sort of >> Okay. And town water. So, sandy soil. Town water. >> Okay. Able to put one in. >> You can just put some gravel up top and
have a little parking area for some offices. Maybe some rental property. No idea. turn it into I don't know. >> It's only It's only one floor. Well, I mean, it's got a basement, but >> I don't know how you would put apartments in it.
>> I would leave that up to the >> whoever bought it. >> Yep. >> Office buildings. >> I want it to be a little restaurant or >> No, >> your tea room. >> I just see people.
I just think I just think so the cost to make it motion >> uh so that motion would look like you know we asked you know similar to uh 182 >> oh just quick question is there a deed
on it that you know there's no reverber on that either >> I object the >> oh no and there's no reverber right >> I don't think so >> oh this you have a card and you have I can get you guys copies, but that it starts down
>> there. >> Would this be one that you want to hit the assessed value as a >> She's got the card over there. What is the assessed value on that? >> Got a bet that's got a six figure >> 744. I I
>> 744. Thank you for that building. >> I um >> really would be I mean it's going to be cost prohibitive for somebody to bring that up to >> that doesn't sound reasonable. So I don't think anybody's going to pay $744,000 and then
>> No. >> Um >> but we own it. >> Yeah. >> So we're not taxes on it. >> So we're not paying taxes on it. >> Yeah. This one. >> Shouldn't you reassess that? I probably should >> your condition. >> I probably should.
>> You want to go in there? I haven't been in there. I'm dying to go in. >> Sabrina's like, "Put a mask on." I was like, "Oh, >> yeah. I mean, I I haven't been in five years, but I need a mask when I went in five years ago." >> Oh, really? Okay. >> I went in the summer. It was not that bad. >> I've been in some
>> really places, some flips and things. Um, so I mean I might suggest that you look to get at least 100K out of that because it's a large building. So maybe that's, you know, authorize the town administrator to place 276 Main Street,
the Heart Library, um, on the annual town meeting warrant to be auctioned off. I'm not sure if there's a timeline to it. To be auctioned off for no less than $100,000. >> Second. So I can I ask a question? So
what if nobody bids 100,000? What happens? >> Same. But we could go back to the drawing board. Um do it again. >> Do you have to wait for another town meeting? >> I believe so. I think you need another town meeting to authorize the a different amount per se.
>> Unless you don't authorize the amount. >> Yeah, that would be the way around it. >> Then you just get the highest. Hopefully it's higher than that. Yeah, it'd be really at your discretion. You could say no amount. >> I don't think we should say an amount. >> Would you be would the you as a
committee be heartbroken if someone got it for 5K? >> Do we have >> But the but the point is >> at the highest bidder you'd have to you would have to sell. >> Yeah. But if someone got it for 5K and then they put the money into it and then it was worth 750 on the >> tax.
Yeah, I agree. It's just, you know, just thinking of the >> What kind of Do you have a number that you want to get out of all these properties that you're looking at? >> A million dollars, but we're not going to >> 25 million. >> I mean, >> I mean, for for Warren Road, I mean, I
don't want to again, this is as much money as we can get for the town, >> but I mean, it's it's all about what the willing buyers are willing to pay. I mean, >> you can say whatever you want. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. But I I don't like the idea that if you get a winning willing buyer
that you blow them out of the box because it wasn't the number you wanted. I mean, this isn't a great real estate market right now, no matter where you are. >> Yeah. >> Um I think it's that it's just a a bad
it's a town property that's toxic right now that we have to rid and we're not making money on. >> It's just >> That's my point. That's my point. So yeah. No, I think if we don't give a value for what we want. >> Yeah, I think that's a better way to go and see what happens.
>> You can always put somebody in there to bid up. >> You're on the record saying that. >> Everybody knows. >> Um, yeah, I don't think we should put numbers in. And I think you should go through the process and see what happens
because at the last auction there were some properties that got more money than we thought they get. >> Yeah, there were a couple that went certainly below, >> but they were not they were nothing, >> right? >> They were worth probably less than what
they sold for. But to see the house going up on the corner of Dudley and 13 is lovely. Was that a Was that a nice one? >> They moved. >> Okay. It's a nice house. >> Yeah.
>> I don't know what's happening with the >> ones off Emory. >> Uh there were two lots there that were bought. One went for like 25,000 more than the other and they went to a Butters. >> Oh, okay.
>> So, everybody has their own reasons and you don't know until you try. >> That's true. So, is there was there a motion put on excuse me for >> we'll have to change it because I second but that was within an amount so we'll have to redo it.
So the motion would read something like uh authorize the towns and properties committee authorizes the town administrator to place 276 Main Street Hart Library onto the annual town meeting >> 26 >> 276
Main Street onto the annual town meeting warrant to be sold. So, >> so state your name and then >> Caroline Church. Yes. >> Yes.
>> I need I need a a name for a second. >> A name for a second. >> Mayor Jean Church second. >> Can I put one extra caveat to that motion to be sold as is? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Because we can't afford to drag the stuff out of there.
I was mention that's probably about >> from what I've heard from people and I haven't been in there so I'm saying this with the C it's probably 10K to get all this stuff out of there. >> So what so I mean the stuff that over there is a mess anyway. So but they're
town documents. >> Yeah. What do you do about that? >> Yeah. So Sabrina and I were chatting about it and she has gone in there recently and she's like some of them might be pertinent. Most of them are outside the sevenyear >> window. You know the >> Well, you have to do that first, >> right? So, I
>> have to do what they need to do. >> Yeah, there's there are there are because I was doing the files in the land use office. So, there are some that you have to keep forever, >> right? >> You can't dispose of according to the best laws and then there's all these categories of when you can get rid of
them. So, >> before you get rid of stuff, you might want to make sure you keep the stuff that you're >> Yeah. Or if it's all covered in mold, then >> well then you're gonna get Yeah, there's no chance of keeping it. >> Yeah, I think you can ask the state. I just actually sent one in today for the
um office to request destruction of property >> process was old motor vehicle payments, but it would be whatever falls in that scope. >> I just don't want the town burdened with having to empty out, you know, old chairs and things like that. We don't have the capacity for that. You think
you should amend 182 to be sold as is if there's not? >> Yeah, >> probably. >> Yeah, because we're not doing anything, right? >> We're not cleaning anything off the property. We're not going to take anything out of the buildings. >> That has to be >> buyer due diligence. >> Yeah. Like if the house has to be torn
down, somebody else is going to do it. >> Um Yeah. >> Let's go back and I'll take an amendment to the number four. that the uh sale be as his condition.
Is there an amendment? >> I'll make the amendment. >> Okay. Is there and a second to the amendment? >> Second. >> Vicky Tidman seconded. And that was for 182 Warren Road to be sold as is. Roll call vote. >> Carol Hoffus. Yes.
>> Mary Churchful. Yes. Vicky Tidman. Yes. Yes. Um going back to the heart library, we are inserting in that motion the amendment to be sold as is.
>> So Carol says >> Mayor Jullley. Yes. >> Second. >> Second. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Any further discussion here? That's okay. All right. Roll call vote. Carol Hosus. Yes. >> Mary Churchville. Yes. Thank you, Chib.
Yes. And learnership and yes. Okay. So, there's the three motions from the town properties committee to go to the select board. Um, and then for the next time we meet,
I know you have a list of everything that we own. um just take a look at it and see if there might be anything else that we could auction at the same time. >> I thought we kind of went through everything and
>> Yeah, but why do we still have some? I can't remember >> because some of them are wet. A lot of them are wet like >> but conservation doesn't want them. We had the conversation just to give them everything that was wet. >> Yeah. I think if they if they're
designated to conservation now, it's tough to claw it back, right? >> That's I don't know. >> Oh, yeah. I >> think if it's if it's, you know, if it were Jeff's street here in that parcel and it was wet and it's in conservation but town owned, I don't know if you can pull it back conservation.
>> Is there designated conservation? Yeah, >> I I can chat around and see what I can find because we do have some that I think attach another few bucks, but >> that are that we own. >> We own but they're in conservation like
they're overseen by conservation commission. And sometimes in the deed it says they're conservation in the >> so those aren't going to be changed but we have ones that are wet that are not in conservation >> like the ones over in Timberly Park. >> Mhm. >> Sumac and
>> so why can't those go to a butters? >> Yeah. >> This is the I don't know. Here's my town owned vacant land. Some of these might not have been updated but obviously see where it starts. Vacant land. It goes that way. Um, this is one
off Cherry Drive that we tried to go to auction, but I don't think it had a clear title. >> Yes, that's correct. >> And then there are notes next to it. I assume the one that say transfer to Conscom probably have wet on them. >> Okay. So, we This isn't on the agenda today. So, we don't have this. So, could
you give it to all the members of the board so that you guys can review it as well and Karen >> and um >> I'll go make coffee >> and we'll um but make sure that every get everybody gets or whatever.
>> We'll try to get to five or six parcels and try to make it a useful day for the auctioneers and make sure we catch them, you know. >> Yeah. You get to pay the auctioneer. Yeah. They get a cut of the sale. going to want to sell it for as much as they can get. >> Well, yes. And they're probably want to
The more you give them, >> the more money they got. Just like we >> Yeah. So, >> just like we do. >> That's true. Can I just go back to one other issue on the Heart Library? >> So, the deed says that there's a reservation for the right to maintain the water pipes and the electric light
poles and together with the right to enter and make repairs. Um, do we know what that is? You know nothing. Okay. >> Not a deed expert. So, I'm >> not a deed expert either, but >> reserving the right to use the public to
the entrance in the roadway of the tenement house shown on the plan. There's no there's no plan with this feed. >> No, that's just what I had in my file. I could try to look it up. >> I'm just questioning that. I mean,
someone else is supposed to maintain the water pipes and electric. I guess that would be the town, right? Correct. Yeah, >> cuz it's public water now. >> Correct. >> Probably wasn't then, right? >> You mean in unit would maintain the electric lines the building because that's how they get
>> 1926. There's no water. >> Okay, that's cool. >> If you guys want to review those sheets that she's going to give you and also the deeds and if you get any further in any further information um regarding the deeds and if you get
the deed hopefully that Julie will get you. Um, how about we try to meet again on the 12th, maybe at 1:00. >> Mhm. >> Is that a Monday? >> Thursday before your next meeting.
>> Okay. >> Okay. If we do it at 1:00, >> it gives us time for the HCA. So, um, and then we can >> March 12th, >> you've got your first three motions to get to select board and you can report
to them that we're meeting again on the 12th. >> Hope to get some more uh properties to go on the 310. >> And then we have a few more then we'll have a 317 authorized.
So here we get that for five and then the schedule. >> Those are all the ones that the town owns. >> Oh, okay. >> Keep it rolling. >> Yeah, that's what happened last year. So whenever we did the May meeting, when
was the auction? In August or >> It was still >> It was May, right? It was still kind of cool. >> Oh, it was right after the meeting. It was the first the first we did was October. >> Put this deed to open and undevelop.
>> Okay. It must have been voted that >> means you can't sell them >> to on that meeting. >> Oh my god. EPA cleanup. >> Every day is going into >> it's got to be >> each other. So
>> Oh, I don't know. I don't know. >> Oh my god. >> Okay. So, everybody's in agreement to meet on um the 12th at 1:00. >> Just don't get that. >> Oh my god. >> And hopefully we have more a lot more information then
>> and we can >> Oh, and I'll find out what um what the taxes were when we took um 182 and tax settle. >> And there's Okay. So, even when there's notes on here that say um well, the ones that are titled
conservation land, they're already in conservation, right? >> Yeah. And they have deed restrictions. You can't the top part you can't touch. >> Okay. >> But the ones that are tax taking wetlands, concal turning over conservation.
Um >> maybe another look at somebody they lost it because they owed back taxes and the town took it off. >> They stopped paying their taxes. >> So I have from um Colby for and this was
June of last year that we must have recommended that cons accept custody control and care of the following properties Elm Street, Aqua Road, Riverbank Terrace. So that was the recommendation last time of three properties that were probably
on that vacant land. Yeah. Because then I have the other list. That list is giant and it's divided into like buildings with structures that we're using such as this building, the library, etc. and so on. Water buildings. Um so this that's on this list
>> that's just vacant. >> Vacant. >> That's just nothing on the land. >> But I understand. count control or cemetery and parks >> just suggestions. >> Those are just note suggestions >> that are here, but the ones you just said have already gone to. Okay.
>> Okay. So, th this will give you guys an idea of what's been done in the past and what's been discussed but nothing was done about and is it time to do something? >> Yeah. Like the five acres on off Main
Street jumps out at me. That's a tax staking. >> I don't know what where's off Main Street. Do you have a house? >> Is that like a Oh, if you don't have a house on it, you don't give it a number. Is that how that goes? >> Um
32 acres. Maybe if we discuss >> possibility. >> Okay. Thanks. >> That's a lot of accept. They ask me to do the immediate voters list. So we list for every so that if we
decide it will get the we'll get that notice >> behind the highway. That's a cemetery, isn't it? >> That's on Highland Street. >> Behind the highway garage. >> I don't even know where the highway I don't even know where that is.
>> I know where Highland Street is, but I don't know. Well, that's what I saw when Whitney Lane adjacent to Oh, >> cross from Dudley Road. >> Main Street >> Middle Road.
>> Main Street. Steep access from Wheeler Road. >> Forest. Yeah, >> border was brought. Oh, landlock. You can sell landlock property in Massachusetts. >> I guess I don't know who would buy it.
Well, maybe a butter might buy it. >> Most places not allowed. >> Oh, okay. >> That's okay. Like I've never heard the taxes done this way either. >> Oh, okay. >> Bod bod that means like wet.
>> Well, yeah, that's like >> Yeah, cuz I was thinking cranberry bod, >> which is always wet. >> So, >> wet and wet. Well, it has to be because you have a tax, right? What is
>> Edwards Road? That's a half acre >> and back. >> Oh. Oh, so Main Street's not even on >> six street next to ambulance. >> Yes. >> Where Where's the ambulance park?
>> The ambulance parking. >> Where is it? The fire station. the fire station between Dunkin Donuts, right? >> Well, that's what I was thinking. So, I mean, it's that's a little it's a slice of land.
>> Is it going towards a feed store in the back? >> Look at this one. Oh, sixbody. the dam. >> Okay. >> Sometime parks claim the ownership of it. So why are we selling that? >> H
>> um the six acres off of Elm Street. It says Cemetery Parks claim owner. >> Does that mean they does that mean that Vicki? There's six acres off Elm Street that's vacant and it says cemetery and parks claim owner. Does that mean they
claim they own it? >> Yeah. So, >> does he have proof of that ownership? >> I would say that knowing um >> Roger >> Roger he does, >> but I will ask him for a D that shows that. >> But then would we sell it?
>> What? No. >> Well, no. Not if not if cemetery and parks have. Yeah. They would have to agree. >> But if they if they do have that, then that should be not on our >> Yeah. >> Okay. That should be under them just like kiscon.com. >> Yeah.
it wouldn't be on it wouldn't be on our list anymore. >> Okay. So, we're at the top where you sign of South Row Road. It says gold to Mass Department of Fish. Well, so that's off the list. Yeah, >> that should be off the list. Okay, we'll take that.
>> Okay. >> I bet that's um behind Highway. >> Yeah, that's odd. Is that the cemetery? >> Cemetery. >> Is it? Because behind the highway garage would be the cemetery. But
>> Mhm. >> Um, it says 2757. >> Behind the highway garage, but that's on Main Street, right? >> Well,
>> yeah. in the back >> where the highway department is on Main Street >> to Highland. >> Oh, >> and also parts of it is um
>> Old Meeting House Hill Road. Yeah, >> Hill Road. Yeah, >> I can see that. But I can't see history. That's the catch. >> Yeah. Yeah. Except that one on um that one that's on the corner of 13.
>> I don't know. Are you looking for that parcel off Main Street? >> That's the one right parcel. >> That's why I can't picture it. >> That's about all it's worth. >> Okay.
>> I mean, I don't know if that >> depends on who is Yeah. I mean, you can put them just about any place right now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But maybe it makes means they can make their septic bigger. >> Yeah. >> Outback. >> Yeah. >> But, you know, you could you could also
frustrate a neighbor that way. >> Parks Cemetery doesn't own that. It doesn't abut to Parks Cemetery, right? >> No, but that's that's like the Adams Road one. Is that the one? It was a halfacre lot. Didn't we already Is that the one we sold or No.
>> No. That was a tax taking. >> That was a different one. >> Yeah, that's a different one. >> What about nine Shirley Road 40-2 tax taking landlocked border with DCR and Grten Land. >> Okay. I don't want to um you know get in trouble here
>> um because we're apparently could be deliberating. Yeah. >> So, all of the stuff that you got today is for our next meeting, which is March 12th >> uh at 1:00 here in the chambers. Usually
downstairs, but this is fine. >> Okay. Do you want um like these the ones that are on sumac that are all Should we have maps of the area? >> Be nice to have maps. >> Yeah, supporting document would be great. >> Yeah. Nice.
Um, okay. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn this meeting at 3:51 p.m. >> Would you make the motion? >> We'll entertain it if we make it. >> I'll make a motion to adjourn at 3:51 p.m.
>> I second it. >> Mayor Jane seconded. >> Roll call, please. >> Carol House says, yes. >> Mayor Jane Churchill, yes. >> Suki Tidman, yes. >> And Laura Sherman, yes. Thank you very much Tam.