##VIDEO ID:HpvYLiew9cM## I move to open the meeting is there a second second okay pulling the members um Vicki yes John yes who else are we oh Robert yes and dar and Bill cam both did you get Darlene or did I miss it I don't see Darlene she's here oh there she is Darlene y yes darene you're yes and I'm a yes too so the motion carries the meeting is open thank you so we got two minutes before we can read the notice then what um is there anything else that we need to talk about Beth got minutes if you want to approve them which uh which minutes are we talking here uh from the last meeting uh what do we look what was it October 23 yeah the 23rd of October one we we continued we continued the hearing yeah so they're very brief it's a brief like hello goodbye but you also appointed Robert so that's in there what folder are those under it's in the main folder main folder so if you just open up the main folder it's a um so if you open up the member packet 1023 yes there you go draft minute got it yeah I guess I'm trying to figure out where's the link to the folder I'll send it again um the email she sent yesterday I think did you get get her emails bill I got an email November 4th I'll send it again yeah no problem and it gives you the zoom link but I don't see the um yeah that's I had to send a few all right uh I found it okay don't bother thanks okay all right so uh draft minutes okay I did a review from my perspective I didn't see any changes yeah no it looks fine okay is there a motion to approve those minutes I I move that we approve the minutes for October 23rd 2024 great there a second second okay polling members Darlene yes viicky yes Robert yes John yes and I'll vote Yes as well Bill Cagan so the motion carries great all right so Vicky would you read the notice please I shall all right in accordance with mgl chapter 48 and the towns and Zoning bylaw the towns and Zoning Board of Appeals will hold a remote access virtual public hearing on November 6 2024 at 6:35 p.m. on the application of Kevin Smith for a special permits under zoning bylaws section 145-8515 and a variant seeking relief from section 145-40 B 1A and section 14566 the proposed project involves the construction of three residential duplex buildings consisting of a total of six residential units the proposed scope of work will include a paved access driveway drainage systems utility connections and their uh Apper tenses located at one Depot Street Extension map 50 block 56 slot Zer the property is in the ra3 zoning district and aquafer protection overlay District public remote only access is via the following uh Zoom link great thank you um so uh starting with the comments which is um whenever we have an application for um special permit we have to do um mandatory referral so we get comments back from various um boards in town um so starting with the Board of Health um Rick metcal um for the Board of Health says that a septic system must be designed approved and installs and is in compliance with compliance with 310 cmr1 15.0 in the towns and Board of Health regulation the property is proposed to be served by Town water so that's that's that comment um then there's a planning board comment planing board supports increased housing in this area in particular signed by Lori schiffren and uh select board comment oh no Board of selectman available nor seated to provide a comment okay well that's all right and that's all we've got is did anybody else in conservation U chime in or or they there's nobody there either right uh conservation return no comment okay great all right so um let's see um I don't know really how to how to start this um what where did I read I read something about the building inspector was that for the per like why would he have a comment would have that been initially getting a permit from him that or um his opinion and then he sends it to the zoning board yeah that that's a determination letter okay okay so it's part of the application okay gotcha okay so if we look in the the stamped application we should see a comment from the building inspector and the file's huge so it's like where to start there's a lot of documents yes uh there is a comment or there's a determination letter where is [Music] it here we go so the building inspector says that your application knows that the this property will be located on is the that the property this will be located on is 1.4 acres in area um section 154 54-1 db. 1.a of the age restrict development section in the towns and Bing towns and Zoning bylaw States two or more acres of land as criteria for the tracted land required for this type of development conclusion this property does not meet the minimum requirement for areas set forth in the bylaw um that that may be a great place to start so I'm I'm I'm going to just bring this up I started um I went for a site visit looked at the plans I'm like wow this looks like a great project and I started to go through things and that's the one point that I'm going to need help getting by so I'm hoping somebody can explain how we get there so I saw you know whenever you get an application you go okay what are they applying for special permit or variance or both and sometimes people check off both boxes just to cover all the bases in our 20 plus years of experience bill right someone like oh no that should be a special Department not a variance but they didn't apply for it and we have to start all over again so with that I realized no they really were asking for a variance and a special permit so the variance got my attention and as soon as I came to it being on just basic minimum lot size it kind of stopped me and I I need someone to tell me where we go with all these other folders that get us past that well you know actually the basic minimum lot size in towns and is either two or three acres so uh this particular lot uh is is a definitely a pre-existing non-conforming lot but the the CR criteria for the special permit for this particular application or use the very first thing it says is it's got to be a two acre lot so if you don't have that what's the criteria that gets you are you asking for a variance if you're asking for a variance then it's the variance criteria it's it's uh I don't believe it needs a variance and that's why I've cited the case law we used once before in the case of Jeff pzi and um the section six finding is basically what we need to do uh which says that the project uh will not have adverse effects which overbalance its beneficial effects on the town and uh it's certainly possible to expand a pre-existing non-conforming use based on this case um where the the U appeals court found that um in the case of the section six finding the the zoning board has the latitude to increase the non-conformity non-conformity without a u a variance being required and this is for residential use it's in commercial use for instance when when um when the big apartment building burned down uh we had to use variances to uh allow the the the rebuild um to be on to to fit on that lot because because of building code changes the rebuild was a lot larger than the original project well yeah exactly they had right right right they had it wasn't within the same footprint okay so so you're going to use the pre-ex pre-existing non-conforming and you know what as you say that like we don't have a lot of experience with that yet but I remember Dave Chanel bringing that up at one point um sometime some years ago do we actually have a decision where we've used that yet yeah that would be um yes uh would I would I be allowed to speak Mr chair goad go ahead I wanna I want to understand this yeah so so the case came out um Delan the case that we used in the past is Gail versus Zoning Board of gloss oh hi Dave how you doing um just let I mean I know how you doing Stan um Robert does know I I um I resigned last year Robert I was on the zoning board for 29 years so I have a little history um so the case came out in 2011 and what the proposition was it was like Bill said it was only for residential application but it allowed for the Le the the the the leeway of the zoning board to expand a non-forming structure so this property definitely definitely needs a special permit but it was pre-existing non-conforming so it's grandfathered back when it was created right so what you what he's proposing to do is turn a residential use into a residential use just more residents so I it's I believe based based on the Gil decision um and it is it is in the appeal s so it's so it's it is applicable to the entire State um and John can f for me in that as well um do you remember how to spell Gail David it's g e um I think I think it got sent out to us this afternoon uh darling okay yeah yeah um I can't remember the I can't remember the the case number but it was the the a the um appeals court docket was like 11-1 1596 some foolish thing if I go be goes back but we've used that in a few cases it allows it allows the zoning board some Le way to expand the non-conforming use not use but but the uh the structures and that's what this is I mean you're going from a residence to a residence with just more units okay so that's so here's let me just because I'm gonna wrap my head around this oh yeah I remember 29 years you're going from a pre pre-existing non-conforming structure or use so first you said use but so you're saying structure yeah the the way it happened on that particular case it was it was a Structure but it was the residential use so it's it's a residential use that's being expanded but the structure is what's changing in the Gail case it was it was a a very large addition if I remember I believe did you read the case recently I don't yeah I did it the um the U one party uh had this kind of tiny house right next to a bigger house and U that party decided to build a a much biger yeah MC Manion yeah yeah well that's what I call this the mcmansion thing because basically it allows you to buy a a small house on a pre-existing non-conforming lot and uh and build a mcmansion as long as the zoning board will agree with that process yeah so if you look at a lot of buildings on the ocean front on lakes where they take this like a 5,000 foot lot and they build these mcmansions that's the case that's allowed them to do it Bas basically so right okay so there so it wouldn't make a difference though let me if there was a say a half an acre lot that was Zone residential yeah um never been built on before never well that I don't it wouldn't apply that okay okay so because this because it wouldn't really be a use that wasn't a um because this had a structure on it was habitated it it was a use a residential use in your situation we had that we had that variance request came I remember tney Sheldon from pil represented um a a builder in the town I'll say and it was a it was a it was a lot that was they cooking cuted about 200 lots and they ended up with this non-conforming structure and we like he said variance I was like and remember I I said to him how do you get past the predecessors with right argument where they created their own hardship yeah self-created hardship that one I remember that oh remember that one he came up to me says you're the reason why Lor shouldn't be on the zoning board so that I mean that doesn't apply this one here it's there's a there's a structure there's a residence on it if it was a blank lot I I wouldn't have dialed in tonight to help to help out because this was my the case I just you know I get these I used to get these daily things on cases and I just sent this out and it just happened a year or two later the issue popped up and we we used it and we weed I think we used it twice three times maybe yeah um yeah well I I didn't actually know you were on this call David I had my my computer half screen was over your picture so you were just the person I thought of because I knew you brought this up yeah not a bad not a bad idea to have my face covered but that's and I you know we just I guess the bad part is doing this for so long we used to do it a different way and now we're able to look at it a different way so you got to be able to you know just wrap your head around that Darlene you made a comment about you and Bill doing this for 20 years I you're trying to cut your agent half girl I'm trying not to say how long yes I got on the board 1994 and you guys were already on there for like five to 10 years before no 95 is when I started okay so you and I started the same year then I started I I started in the fall of 95 so yeah thanks for clarifying that Dave you're welcome but you were only 10 at the time all right all right all right okay thank you for that okay okay so I don't want to interrupt I know I was I know I was out of no that was perfect okay at this at this point I'd like to get a presentation from the applicant uh as to you know what's going on here we we have copies of the plans um I think and uh is Stan still on the the call I'm here and uh okay Kevin had presented you got hi good evening to you or the plan Bo before so I'm gonna let him take the lead on this and then I'll fill in whatever whatever he need me to good you're muted Kevin hello Kevin hi yeah that's better hi there I I made it on uh good even good evening folks uh the proposed project is something that we've talked about dilia or am I still there we can okay um we had proposed a number of years back talked about it and uh we felt that there was a definite need for age restricted housing and when the bylaw was originally written I was under the interpretation that it had to be done around the center of town where there was sidewalks walking access to all the town services so what I had done is I had I had taken a uh overlay of the center of town and I started drawing 500 foot circles around it and this particular piece of property which we had had recently purchased at the time um it was under the half acre or so under the u under the area to put it in and so we tried to buy the property out back uh if we couldn't buy that we we we tried to do everything we could to get it to comply and we just we we we couldn't so I had this design I had I talked to Stanley we had this design uh uh drawn up it looked like it would work other than it was going to require some kind of a special permit or or variant I guess if that would have been required and then it was brought to my attention one time that it was a pre-existing lot and it it in fact May work on there with the approval of the zoning board so we went ahead and got it designed I think it's a a nice little project in the center of town that will fit the needs of the people that are aging in place um with and it'll still satisfy it'll give the people walking access to all the town Services the town hall the fire station the Dunkin Donuts the towns and house obviously the towns in common the banks mcnabs and the Family Dollar and the rail trail and I felt it was when I started drawing these circles around the next available property that I came up with was way out by the police station and uh or if you head north towards uh Lunenburg up along the area where they've recently just built one but there they have no driveway no sidewalk access or walking distance to any of the Town Services I just felt that it would be prudent to try to um see if the the zoning board would uh would uh feel good about this and and approve this project and uh and it's uh three two unit buildings with the access off from Depot Street Extension there is no access onto the Depot Street the Depot Street Extension is a private way people can come out there's a there's an island right there so they're going to have good clear visibility if they're in the in their vehicles to to get out onto the Depot Street right there by the at the stop sign so traffic is always going to be traveling slow and uh is approaching the railroad tracks on the stop sign and it it it just felt like it was a good thing to do so I'm asking for whatever relief I I guess needed um Dave Chanel seems to be I guess he chimed in he seems to be uh pretty well versed between him and Bill and Darlene I guess the project and Darlene could probably answer to the uh the viability of its location for being in the real estate business and uh I'm just throwing it out there for the board hoping for some approval thank you great thank you um are there uh questions from the board at this point he comment go for it um anyone who knows me knows me that I am not a fan of variances however based on on on the Dale case and and I think looking at each one going down the road that we don't just allow this to be anybody who asks for a variance gets a variance and we'll we'll quote the Gil case um other than that this this looks like a great project and and I would not be a to it great thanks anything else are there concerns about adding more traffic to that road people do speed on it um has there been any feedback from I don't know the pyate department or police department um we've stop sign that people ignore yeah well I mean you mean the four-way stop there or three-way it is so people blow through that all the time yeah yeah go yeah when I go down to park there I always careful Crossing yeah can I just answer that as admin for the PB um this will go to site review before the planning board and those are the things that will be taken up at the planning board okay yeah that's what that's just a few years old that intersection so anyone that's lived here for a number of years is probably still getting used to [Laughter] it I wonder if the Townson house has anything to do with that okay um well can I make a yeah just just to followup I just want to follow what John said the the Gail case is a very limited narrow application of what where it applies to it's it's strictly residential and as D point it doesn't apply to an open lot it's it's it's an expans of what's there already an open lot is no expansion you just have land but so the Gil is very it's very limited how it applies so that's why that's why I I thought um I caught window of this this coming up and I said oh that's the case that I found in 2011 so um the other thing I think this is you know Bill and I when I was on the Zoning Board in Darlene as well in Victoria this is a project that we all talked about getting a getting residential units in the downtown area for maybe seniors who like myself now unfortunately um could walk to all the other all the other services in town it's it's a perfect application for that property um if you can get past the the varant special perment all stuff it is a perfect place I don't know if you I don't think there's Kevin I think you did you said that you you went around with a circle and expanded there's nothing else there's no other land around that can that complies so this is this is probably your only chance to do that my personal opinion and when they when they approve this zoning thing why they made it a minimum of two acres is beyond me it should have been way smaller Yeah we actually I think we made that comment and made that com they didn't listen to us I actually I actually made a motion at the town meeting to to reduce it to one acre and Town Council jumped all over me saying the Attorney General would never support that what why would they build properties this size on on a quarter acre lot in Boston or 5,000 acre lot 5,000 sare feet in Boston all the time that's stupid frankly I think somebody should make a note of this I know this is getting off off of what are what we're doing here but this should be passed along to the planning board and I think they should revisit this and maybe tweak this bylaw because if anybody else could use it you know we we know there's a need well as it stands now you're not gonna be able to to um have any other kind of project like this in towntown area there's just not enough land yeah unless Kevin was willing to tear down his storage units but we know that's I proposed that but he didn't like that idea at all yeah I don't play with but anyways I just nothing that I'm aoy I just wanted to throw my support I think it's a great great well you know we've got we've gotten a couple of commercial to residential conversions you know and for mcnabs and for um uh who's the folk singer there uh Lord Mickey well the driving school too we changed that around a couple years ago yeah yeah right so I mean we're starting to get more residential units downtown and and I personally think that's key to to U having the downtown be a much nicer place to be than it is at the moment well if you look at the analogy of the the driving school that building I think it was um guy plays on Eastwood pig is it is was that a Lorden guy MIT was that Mitch Lorden what what did he put in there four or six units in a in a lot that was much smaller than what Kevin has now same same same situation right yeah right yeah those are those are rentals but they still housing all right um do we have any uh any comments from the public on this do you want me to repeat myself no no we do not no written comments all right thanks all right um gosh I don't know where to start um so the spga for the age restrict age restricted Development Special permit is the planning board just so you you just you don't have to even deal with that you deal with all the other stuff so to u to do a section six finding uh we need a motion that this this project will not be more depth well I I I can't remember the words but can can I inject the comet bill just before you get going since it was a variance and special permit you might want to um get rid of the variance required by a motion that that the board finds that it's not NE or if it does find but I think you should dispense with one ver before you hit the section six finding do we need a motion for that or do we just put in findings of fact I think the motion would be more clear but you could do it in findings of fact yeah let's have a motion don't everybody speak at once yeah I need the right numbers here yeah I'm biting my time my tongue B just because I was have it thanks Vic was trying to move things along you know um all right Vicky help fix me here if I don't get this right I move that in light of the Gale decision that we that 145 no no that's a special Department that where's the variance criteria variance at 14565 is not necessary for this application so do you want more than that bill or is that okay no that sounds fine call right back wait a minute 14566 not that's the variance criteria right you said you said 14565 which is the special permit due to the Gale decision that this um to this application okay thank you Sarah second second second I give it to John okay U polling of members Darlene yes Vicki yes Robert yes John yes and I'll vote Yes as well Bill cigan motion Carri so then we could go to the bill should we go through the um age restricted development criteria first then go to the special permit so do the 145 d54 first well I don't we have to go through that don't that's not you that's that's what you said the planning board okay planning board is gonna deal with that part of it um we just have to do the section six findings so we could do the findings of fact from the special permit first and then the the global section six finding part does that does that make sense it certainly does okay I did put a old decision in your folders if you want to use it for reference uh Comack or Scott Road uh Scott Road okay all the findings of fact all the um motions everything's there if you want to just cheat are you gonna go through a through G on that yeah I think we should where where is that stuff anyway is that in the packet it is and it's there's a folder called uh uh reference decisions and cases if you open that up you'll see uh the decision from 2018 for Scott Road that was the other one you had a section no he no he's looking for the special permit criteria so that is let me back up a little bit that's also in that decision but that's okay yeah yeah let's let me look in that decision and see oh yeah here it is okay so uh the findings of facts is a through G the first one being adequacy of the site in terms of size for the proposed uses so I think the based on the I I think we we can refer to the to the uh age restricted bylaw uh as far as um the basis for uh concluding that the site is adequate in terms of size and then in terms of the number of units the planning board is going to be the final decision on that does that make sense y okay uh suitability of the site for the proposed use um I mean residential use in a residential area right and it's actually a perfect spot because there there's you know there's a lot of privacy oddly enough actually techn is that what what is the zoning there is it DCd um no it's um it's just residential I think what is it ra3 it is ra3 yeah it's our pod oh oh okay but still it's currently the lot's been a residential use for years and it will be continue to residential use y right got it part C impact on traffic flow and safety um because the traffic is going to exit on um Depot Street Extension um it's not going to involve anybody on uh on uh Depot Road directly so I think the the safety is pretty good and and um I've noticed that there isn't a whole lot of traffic down on Depot Road Extension um even with all those um storage units I mean there just is not much traffic down there yeah I have a much more intimate view on storage units than I used to um so um I I don't see a big impact there I don't either um so uh item D impact on neighborhood visual character including views and Vestas um I think you know that it's obviously going to be a little more visual impact than a single house single family house was it'll be prettier yeah yeah and that house is nothing extra at the moment direct directly budding you know on the other side of Depot and on the other side I mean the Lots aren't the lots are rather small and they have and they're all their residential use so I think it fits in just fine okay uh section e adequacy of method of sewage disposal source of water and drainage um the um sewage disposal will be a standard SDS uh and um source of water is Town water and I don't know about drainage it's it's pretty flat so well they have to comply with the Board of Health anyways on on septic that's not it doesn't look like an issue to me that's all I can say have adequacy of utilities and other public services um I don't see any issues with that either I mean there's there's I would think there's plenty of power down there because of there used to be all the indust you know the New England Wood Products and the the lumber yard was down there so um I'll bet there's pretty good power source um Point G impact on ground and surface water quality and other environmental natural resource considerations I don't really see a huge impact from the and it's not the lot coverage is not extreme um I don't see any issues there I haven't made the motion on that one I don't even remember that case I do it's a long time ago start first started here okay if you remember the motion Darlene go for it um try to here I don't see it oh wait um GE I'll make a I'll move that the proposed project will not have adverse effects which overbalance its beneficial effects on either the neighborhood or the town in view of the particular characteristics of the site second okay um holding the members um Darlene yes Vicki yes Robert yes John yes and I'll yes as well bill kigan so the motion carries now we need a a motion for the special permit my dog is starting to get can't um all right I don't have the the legal notice in front of me but I'll go for it I move that we Grant a special permit to Kevin Smith under zoning baa 45-65 no you're 66 sorry okay wait um darling did you did you look at that draft uh I mean not the draft the special permit decision that you have for Scott Road you can read your basically read your motions for btim and it's probably safer to do that well first you need to issue your special permit for 14518 pre-existing non-conforming right you see how you did it oh yeah we should we should do that first bill right yeah yeah yeah okay we almost forgot about that thank you Beth you're welcome um all right pursuant to 145 d-8 of the towns of zoning bylaw based on the Improvement um the proposed well the proposed project um will not in will not increase the non-conformity and is not more detrimental than the existing non-conforming structure to the neighborhood does that work well except that wish I had the I think you just you don't you don't want to uh say that it will not not increase the non-conformity um in this particular case yeah um well that's why I don't want to read a motion from another decision yeah go ahead and that's fine I can live with that unless um Vicky you prepared to make a better one than that no I'm trying to figure out like based on I'm sorry I'm justers yeah I mean I'm looking um like can we say um this is for the non-conforming right based on the benefit to the town or benefit no no okay you got to use the language in the bylaw okay if still had our three- ring binders without all the highlighted sections from the BOS that we used to read all the time it' be lot really yeah I still remember it was so much easier before they recodified the B yeah yeah oh maybe it's shall it's not more detrimental than the existing non-conforming use that's that's where we want to get too yeah all right um so can I just make a motion that this um application um let's see per 145-11 18 that this application will not be more detrimental than the existing non-conforming use to the neighborhood sounds good is that okay yeah and refer you should reference the findings of fact and the section six finding I believe I know we used to have section six right in front of [Music] us oh we we already accepted the uh special permit criteria right and we accepted the um um section six declaration that it will not be more detrimental to the neighborhood um and so all I I think you want to just make that part of incorporate those things as part of your motion for a special permit I hate to say so moved so Darlene though what is what is giving you pause on the motion that's in the draft in the Scott Road um I see nothing wrong with that one I mean it's it's motion to Grant a special permit to such and such under Townson zoning bylaw 14518 and 14565 for a proposed project you know I don't know how much detail you have to give to a pre-existing non-conforming structure and pursuant to the findings of fact that's your basic your basic um motion yeah so twe there's two of them aren't there two I mean if I go by the Scott Decision there's two there's focusing on 14518 yep and then there's um and then there's to Grant the permit yeah I think it suspenders yeah belts and suspenders so what she could do is you know combine those two but you know taking them separately makes sense too you it doesn't I lost the folder again Vicky can you do you want to do it want me to screen share it but it does have information from another decision so yeah I don't want that hey um everybody else feel free to jump in if you got better words go ahead Vicki you're the clerk give it a try I'll give it a try all right so I move that pursuant to section 145-8515 Vicki yes Robert yes John yes and I'll vote Yes as well motion carries okay so um we have um 14 days to file this decision but when when is the planning board hearing we have to Grant the special permit we have to do the special permit part now haven't granted the actual permit yet yeah let Vicki do the next one too she did great oh okay she's on to us all right all right so uh okay I uh I make a motion to Grant a special permit to um Kevin Smith under towns and Zoning bylaw section 145-8515 for a uh do we want to say the senior over 8 uh senior age restricted age restricted project um to a pre-existing non-conforming uh is that would that be structure or a lot property property I like property a pre-existing non-conforming property at I gotta get the address um number one number one Depot Street Extension one no there is and number one Depot Street Extension that uh and I think pursuant to the findings effect correct okay is there a second um and that it should be built according to plan be built according to plan no because it's got to go through site plan yeah planning board may make okay right well you could say that um the plan the the plans have been submitted to us but we're that's already in the findings of fact though so okay rep it all right second all right pulling the members Darlene yes Vicky yes Robert yes John yes and I'll vote Yes as well the motion carries bill cigan um okay so that's it so the question I had was um when is the planning board taking this up can we get a decision filed before then uh so the this has been continued to the 18th of November for the planning board um I can get the decision filed with the town clerk if I get someone to sign tomorrow you know I can get I've got it right in front of me so yeah I'm in town tomorrow want to assign a to asse or uh approve AE by vote I'm in town I'm fine you're you're going to do it John I can I certainly can do it okay so is there a motion to authorize John to sign the decision for the board sure I move to give John Paige the authority to sign the decision on the behalf of the zoning board members okay pulling the members Darlene yes just thinking I said yes oh you did oh I didn't hear it I'm sorry I'm getting old uh Vicki yes Robert yes John yes and I'll vote Yes as well so John's authorized to sign the decision Beth what time are you in the office tomorrow uh tomorrow I will probably have this done by noon let give me till noon if that's good I can do that all right great excuse me Mr chair yes Mr chair um for some reason the application um it's solely in my name and it it it should include in the application and decision I don't know why uh Ken Tully as well his name is on the plans um I don't I don't know why uh it uh wasn't uh in there um didn't know if your secretary could include that in the decision so would it would be Kevin Smith and Ken sounds sounds like a typo correction to me yeah probably all it is anybody else have anything to say about it I don't have a problem with it it's okay thank thank you you're welcome all right um I guess that's it so um uh what else is do we have anything else at this point Beth uh no I don't think so so we let everybody know that we're done with the hearing and they can go on with their evening if they so choose I mean we'd love to have you you know stay with us but oh wait was there anything in um clerk in the file there under correspondence you need to look at yes yes one thing um where is it I think I just I just posted the agenda for the 21st so that's in your correspondence file for some reason I can't pull it up right now hold on all right correspondence has okay so yeah in your correspondence is your um the appointment letter for Robert Justa and the um agenda has been posted for the 21st I did um make that a hybrid meeting it doesn't mean you have to come in to town hall but it uh it's an option so I will be there cool all right and that's the one on the Speedway gas station right uh 324 Main Street yes yeah cool why did you make it a hybrid what what made you have make that decision I was curious uh a chair Cagan had mentioned it the other day when he came in he said um why don't you give the applicant the option so that's what's going on there oh okay it's flexible cool yeah it's good thank you you're welcome all right well thank you very much than Youk you keep those cards and letters coming right so um I move to close the meeting sir there's no Clerk's announcements of Correspondence you just there's nothing else we did the minutes just those two yeah just those two minutes are done so all righty thank you thanks everyone we need to second second oh we have a second Darlene holding the members yes Vicki yes Robert yes John yes and I'll about yes as well thanks a lot guys