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the audience and thanks you. Thank you for attending. Viewers may watch TCAP's board of education meetings and committee meetings live or on demand at any time at tcaps.net/board. Please rise and join students from Miss Beckliff's first grade class of Westwood's Elementary School in the pledge of
>> allegiance. Aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>> It's a little fast. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, we're the review approval portion of the agenda. >> Oh, boy. Um >> uh do we >> do we have a move to approve uh as presented?
>> I move to approve the agenda as presented. >> Okay, >> I second. >> Second from Beth. All those in favor say I. >> All those oppos say nay. Motion carries. That recognition defer to Dr. Vangler. >> Okay. So
um tonight uh we are going to represent our TCAPS veterans, our employees that are veterans. Um each year we do this and uh um with uh having Veterans Day upon us, it's a great thing to be able to recognize those folks. So um I'm going to defer to Connie Taylor who's
going to read off their names and we have uh certificates for each of them that she's going to get out and deliver. And remember, every year we try and get photos. So we'll have that probably at our committee meetings to be able to show. Just depends on when Veterans Day falls in our board meeting whether we have them. But uh we'll get those and so
uh we're going to go ahead and read off their names. >> All right. We thank for everyone who has shared with us their veteran status. Every year we put out a survey and hope to get more folks who may have served that we don't know have served. Um so these are the individuals that have acknowledged and rec and indicated their
years of service with the military. Aaron Smith, Air Force, 10 years. Carol Johnson, Navy, 10 years. Dennis Conway, Navy, six years.
Jean Fzinski, Navy, six years. James Parkinson, Navy, six years. Jeff O'Brien, Army, three years. Jim Conniseet, Coast Guard, four years.
John Brazeski, Army, two years. John Labarbara, Army, eight years. Joshua Bee, Navy, four years. Mike Graham, Army, six years.
Patrick Mangan, Marines, 5 years. Paul Crowley, Air Force, 6 years. Rick Forton, Army, 6 years. Polly Porter, Navy, 20 years.
Richard Porter, Navy, 20 years. And our audience today, Russ Nylin, Navy, 12 years. Scott Dement, Air Force, 6 years. Solon Barnes, Army, two years.
Steve Lner, Army, four years. Tina Preston, Army, 1.5 years. Tom Brightus, Navy, four years. Tyson Burch, Marines, years of service
undisclosed. >> A long time. I know that. >> Yeah. So if we will give a round of applause to all of our >> we thank them for our service to our country and their service to our school district and the children here in TCAPS.
And that is our recognition for today. >> Awesome. Thanks. Uh thank you for attending as well. >> Um okay. Uh today is a is a little of a well actually sorry we go through on the first public comment. Um I take it we do
have some of that. So the board has set aside this time for public comment and individuals addressing the board shall have one opportunity to speak and it shall be limited to 3 minutes. Individuals should not make personal tax unrelated to actions affecting the school system and we strongly encourage common courtesy and constructive
feedback. Detailed rules and procedures including complaint process are outlined in board policy 25504. Tammy >> Michelle Chapman. [Music] >> Hello. My name is Michelle Chapman and I
am a parent of a student at West Middle. I'm here to speak about a ser incident that involving my son and ask for accountability and change. Recently, my son was um experienced a seizure at school. During this time, no adult
contact me nor checked on him or followed up afterwards until I reached out myself. Um I only learned about this after that my son called me after the incident happened. As a parent, that was terrifying. When I send my child to
school, I trust that he is safe environment when an adult is trained and prepared to respond to a medical emergency. In this case, that trust was broken. I had somebody reach out from TCAPS um about the situation and was
asked to give them grace. Um I'm not pointing fingers, but I insist that our district must do better. Medically emergencies can happen at any time and no parent should have to wonder whether their child will be in the care and proper something goes wrong. I'm
asking the board to investigate and how and why proper procedures were not followed in this incident to review the strength medical um response protocols especially for students with health conditions or emergency plans. providing
staff training or so every teacher, aid, and administer knows what to do, who to call in an a medical emergency. My goal isn't to punish, it's to prevent. I want to make sure no other family has to experience what mine did. Our child deserves to be protected and parents
deserve to be informed when something serious happens. Thank you for listening and taking steps to ensure our school are safe and prepared as they can be. Thank you. Barb Shamansky and Gail Lampridge.
That was a pretty good job. >> Can only have one at a time. >> Oh, okay. >> So, for three minutes each. So on behalf of myself, Gail Landfair, and the Presbyterian Church of Traverse City, I want to thank you for teaching
and sharing the Anish Shinabi story as part of the curriculum. As a student, I did not learn about the Anish Shaabi or indigenous folks, period. And you can tell that was back quite a ways. And then as a teacher, I never taught it.
Um, it wasn't a thing. I didn't think about it. So I am very grateful that you folks and everyone in the system has picked up picked up that ball and is teaching the true history of our area country. So
thank you. >> You want to come up? Yeah. I'm Gail Lantier Wils [Music] and um I ca I come tonight as a a member of the racial justice working group at
the Presbyterian Church of Traverse City. Um, we want to thank the board, our superintendent, and anyone who had anything to do with making it possible
to have the Inishnabi story and the Inishnabi language available in the TECAP schools. We we are really excited and in the spirit spirit of the late Holly
Bird, we are committed to the goal of the telling of the true history of the indigenous people in Northern Michigan. And the way we do that and have done it um is by advocating for this kind of
history to be available. So, I I'm here tonight to thank you all and Dan Tyworth and um Lydia Henan, the indigenous educator. We are really
excited. I'm also excited about the indigenous education initiative out of the state board of education. They they have some wonderful materials now. So, thank you so much Bill Weer,
[Music] Bill Wisner, Traverse City, and um the handout that I gave, the scandalous seven, it's also called the miserable men and tecaps in so many schools around the country We have followed these seven
miserable men scandalous seven. Uh you can find this on my website tcfamily.org and I've entitled that article Christian versus LGBTQ religion, God's word versus man's word. And on the last
page of that five-page uh article is a picture of these seven miserable men. And this and there's a link right under that picture that goes to this handout that I just handed to you. It's a little easier to read from here, but uh I'll just read from it. Who's really teaching
our children about sex? Imagine appointing an arsonist to serve as the city fire chief or a flatearther to run the Royal Astronomical Society. Well, something even more foolhard foolhardy has occurred in recent years when it
comes to sex education. Children are routinely exposed to cartoonish characters like the gingerbread person to learn that their anatomical sex is supposedly different from their gender identity. Such doctrines are dutifully
recited to children by educators whose own university education was likely infused with radical gender ideologies. Where did these ideologies come from? Who were the founding fathers? that they have staggering expertise and sterling
resumes to qualify them to shape how entire generations think about sex. Let's meet the cast of so the the cast of characters and these are these seven uh the scandalous seven or the miserable
men and if you read through that I don't have time to read it all but uh it starts with Alfred Kinsey uh he believe um Alfred Kinsey is the first one wrote in
1948 his books he loathed monogamous He wrote monogamous heterosexuality as oppressive. William Reich coined the term sexual revolution. Uh the details are just you don't want these type of people leading being the founding
fathers and directing any thoughts in our children. Michael Foot, uh, Harry Benjamin, John Money, Jean Paul Sart, and Jack Jackwiz Duri. Uh, anyway, so
this handout again, Christian versus LGBTQ religion, God's word versus man's word, they have like on the first page is the Ten Commandments. And uh and also if someone believes they're a female and they're a male, that's a religious
belief on faith, please consider these things and stop following these seven. >> Mr. Time is up. >> Okay. Uh thank you everyone for public comments. Uh and moving on to superintendent report to Dr. Van Wagner.
>> Okay. First off, um, we're going to have our audit of financial report and I will pass it over to Kristen Thomas. >> Thanks. So, um, we have Dave Nielsen here from Manor Cers. He's a principal. Um, and he oversees our account. So, he's going to give you kind of a highle
overview of our audit ending June 30th, 2025 2025. And feel free through throughout to ask questions if you have them. Um, this is intended to be brief but informative. So, if you have any questions or would like followup, just let them know.
Thank you, Christine. Appreciate the opportunity to be here in front of you all tonight to talk about the year-end financial statement financial audit um for the year ended June 30, 2025. Your audited financial statements are included in the annual comprehensive
financial report. Again, this year um got a couple slides to go through tonight to present sort of a highle summary of the audit itself. As Christine mentioned, feel free to ask questions as they arise, or you can save them to the end. Either way, before I
get into the slides themselves, I did want to say thank you to Christine, uh, to Wes, Sandy, and Julie, and the rest of the team. I don't think we ask for anything less each year. In fact, it's probably more each year. So, I just wanted to take a second and say thank you to them. A lot of hard work goes
into not only the day-to-day accounting, but the compliance side of things, too. that doesn't get any less either. So, a lot of hard work goes into producing this report the year. Before we get into the actual audit results, a quick slide. I know you've got a full agenda tonight, but uh Mayor
Costar, we're located in Lancing, Michigan and Grand Rapids, Michigan. About 60 people from our audit department are dedicated to the education niche. We do audit over 120 school districts annually. Committees that we're members of there.
And then we have over 200 Michigan governmental clients as well. Couple quick notes on the audit process itself. Um we start scheduling and well we probably have next year's audit scheduled already, but I was going to say we start scheduling in quarter one of each year. Uh we're out here in June
to do our preliminary audit fieldwork. We met with some of you all in July when we were here for the final audit fieldwork. that spans into early August all the way until I'm here tonight to present the audit report to you. During our audit procedures though, we want to understand the entity. We want
to gain an understanding of TCAPS itself. What are the internal controls? What are people doing? What are their day-to-day processes? We want to establish our planning material. We want to develop expectations. We want to perform a risk assessment that helps us to determine and drive our
audit procedures for the annual financial statement audit. Certainly want we want to act in accordance with the AICPA code of professional conduct. That means maintaining integrity, objectivity, due care, competence, no conflicts of
interest and maintain confidentiality. Once we do that, we can issue the independent auditor's report which is on page 11 of your packet. Um there are probably 120 130 some pages in the packet. Um so page 11 is the independent auditor's report.
The highlights from the independent auditor's report uh consists of the fact that on the financial statements themselves we issued an unmodified audit opinion. What that means is that's the highest level of assurance that we can give as auditors. Some people might call it a clean opinion. We call it an
unmodified opinion. We also have a report near the end of your packet that is required by government auditing standards. That's our report on internal controls over the financial reporting process. We had no material weaknesses or significant deficiencies identified during our audit procedures. So that is
a clean report as well. So kudos there. The third bullet point um you'll notice I put in all caps not yet issued. So the report that we typically issue on compliance with major programs that is specific to the single audit or the
federal compliance audit. Uh we're in November of 2025 and they have yet to issue the 2025 compliance supplement. The compliance supplement is what tells us as auditors what to test. Um I can tell you based on our preliminary
results, we have no findings to report. So that's good. I can't say that final yet because we haven't seen the final compliance supplement. What we are required to do and we will do is within 30 days of that compliance supplement being issued, we'll issue our single audit reports and those can be filed
with MD. Financial statements were filed on time. Um it's just the single audit piece that's being held up a little bit. Audit results. Uh page three of your packet is in the letter of transmitt. Uh couple of different things to note on
this slide. First, the information is taken from NDE's bulletin 1014. Uh, that was published in February of 2025. So, it's not exactly current data. It's based on last year's data. There were 819 school districts in the state of
Michigan. Out of 819 general fund revenues for TCAPS ranked 550 on a per pupil basis. General fund expenditures, uh, you can see the various categories there. Um, for example, added needs on a per pupil
expenditure basis, 642 out of 819. The one at the bottom though shows your investment in the people that are actually providing the instruction and the education to the students. Uh, for teacher average teacher salary ranked 91 out of 819.
Audit results. Um, you can look at this on page six. It shows the 10-year trend of taxable values. Um, all the way back to 2015, you had a 1.6% growth. This past year for taxable values, about a 9.359% growth.
There are a lot of words on this slide. I will recognize that page 21 of your packet has some really good information on the general fund budgetary highlights. Couple quick snippets here. On the revenue side, there's about a $2.7
million variance between final uh final budget and actual results. Most of that is a result of not spending all of the local, state, and federal grants that were originally budgeted for. You don't spend them all, you can't recognize the revenue. It gets recognized in fiscal
year 26 when you spend it. That has a big piece to do with the the variance on the expenditure side as well. So, we had a variance of about 6.4 4 million there about 2.5 million again is related to the grants. Another
1.1 million is related to other carryover and the rest of the variance really is is a result of your conservative budgeting practice which is good. >> Can I just ask a question here because this does seem like a large amount. I don't remember us deferring that much um
in prior years of grants. Was there a particular reason for that? Some of that is related to if it's a state grant, their fiscal years and ours don't match. And so we have to carry it forward on our books. But really, it's in their fiscal year, the same fiscal year. So it
kind of depends on our planning and what we're spending, >> but nothing in particular comes to mind. >> No, >> it's a good question. Yeah. And it a lot of it is to do with the state's fiscal year being September 30. >> Or sometimes by the time we actually get
our true allocation, it it's great we finally got a budget, but we still don't have any detail on that. So by the time we truly know what the allocation is and those restrictions, then we can actually start spending it and sometimes that gets delayed, >> right? And these are definitely multi-year grants, so they can be deferred. We're not they're not
expiring. >> No. Yeah. It's all it's all allowable carryover. sort of to give you an example of that like in this year in the state budget um there's a a grant for SRO's okay that we're going to apply for no application yet nothing might not be
till February or March by time you actually get awarded it's almost end of the school year yet it's in their fiscal year and so you get it you know probably in July or actually wouldn't get a July payment your August or September is the earliest you'd actually get the money so you know you're you're into that next
year so this one's even pushed back even farther. It could be worse this year because such a late budget, >> right? >> Yeah, good point. >> There's some factors bearing on the district's future that are uh they begin on page 22. Uh first one, the shifts in the
population and enrollment. Certainly uh student enrollment has a large impact on school districts in the state of Michigan. We also couple that with aging population in the area, family migration and early childhood trends. So those are a couple of factors to consider related
to the shifts in population and enrollment. Economic conditions and funding. Um it says it right there. Capacity to provide excellent education is fundamentally linked to the health of the local, state, and federal government. econom or economies
I should say local economy tourism based economy is stable but seasonal inflation rising costs we're aware of that in salaries and benefits areas as well as others and then the state and federal funding a lot
of uncertainty around that board strategic plan and academic goals wanted certainly to take a second to look at that in terms of academic achievement student well-being positive student behaviors postsecary readiness and high quality staffing.
Okay, let's get into the numbers a little bit. We're on page 31. We have the statement of revenues, expenditures, and changes in fund balances for governmental funds June 30, 2025. This is a a snippet of that statement,
but page 31 is where you'll find the full statement. You have three major funds in your governmental fund financial statements this year. The general fund, the 2023 capital projects fund, and the 2025. You can see here though, the net change in fund balance for the general fund was
a positive 442,000 approximately. And you had a spend down of the 2023 capital projects fund. That did decrease by about 11.4 million all the way down to zero. The 2025 capital projects fund is where you can see the issuance of the
new bonds. So that was about 82.1 million. So the net change in fund balance for that fund itself was an increase of about 75 million across the board. Net change in fund balance of roughly 64 million.
Okay. A couple highlights in the notes to the financial statements. We're on page 35. the table on page 35. Why I like to mention it in these meetings is it's a summary of the bond expenditures or the cumulative bond activity for the in your
2023 and 2025 bonds. thing I'll note here though is that we test the capital projects expenditures a very high percentage of those expenditures in accordance with section 1351A of the revised school code as well as the language that's approved in the bond document itself to make sure that
the amounts charged those funds are allowable we didn't have any that's great on page 47 detail of your capital assets Um won't spend a ton of time on this page, but I will show you that this is the
detail. You can see your additions. Uh you've got construction in progress about 17 million at the end of the year. You have a number of additions to the the various categories leading to your total capital assets at year end approximately 223 million.
Page 49 gives you the breakdown of the long-term obligations for TCAPS at year end. Six different bond issuances that are outstanding as of year end, including the most recent one of approximately 82 million. You also have uh what we would
refer to as a SIDA. That's a subscription uh information technology agreement. Subscriptionbased information technology agreement. also got some acred benefits for compensated absences. I failed to mention at the top of this meeting, Gazsby 101 was new this year.
So, you've always got new and emerging accounting standards. Gazsby 101 was certainly a new one that was effective for fiscal year 25. You can see there the ending balances at year end for the obligations under those compensated absences.
>> Okay. >> What do we Yeah, sure. Can I ask what'sa >> subscriptionbased information technology agreement? >> Okay, >> think of that as a a form of technology a student is using in the class. The district enters into a long-term
agreement for use of it. So, you have an obligation for those payments. Just one thing on that comes up frequently uh is the interest rate stated is the interest rate of the bond not necessarily the interest rate that
we are paying because >> interest cost >> it's not the true interest cost. So, good thing to know. I added this slide this year. Um, so if you were to compare it to last year's slides, this one would be new. Pages 56
and page 57. Um, we do provide the reader of the financial statements information and how the net pension liability is calculated as well as the net other postemployment benefit asset is calculated. As a reminder, those items are on the district's statement of
net position. So, it doesn't impact the general fund or any of the other governmental funds. It is a full acral number. It is the district's share of the statewide pension liability, net pension liability, as well as the statewide net other post-employment
benefit asset. Key there, you can you can see they're quite large numbers. Just for example, on the pension side, statewide liability is 95.8 8 billion roughly. Backing off that planned fiduciary net position of about 71.3 billion gives you the net
pension liability statewide of 24.5 billion. Multiply that by TCAPS's proportionate share of the statewide payroll. That's how you calculate the net pension liability approximately 146 million. There are some upcoming accounting
standards listed on page 64. Um, Gazsby 103 and 104 are new for next year. There's some reporting model improvements in Gazsby 103. They impact the MDNA and they impact the information that is supplementary to the financial
statements should have no significant impact on the financial statements themselves, but will impact the budget to actual schedule as well as the MBA. Gazby 104 deals with disclosure of certain capital assets. So it requires
uh if you have a right of use uh lease that's capitalized or right of use subitta or subscription based information technology agreement that's capitalized. Those are required to be stated separately capital asset footnote which you already do. So I don't see an
impact as a result of that. I mentioned Gazsby 101 was new for this year. This is the slide where you can see the impact of the adoption of Gazsby 101. So as a result of that adoption, you did decrease your net position by
approximately 698,000. But that liability is now in accordance with Gazby 101. And that didn't impact the general fund, just the governmentwide statement in that position. Page 67, what we've been waiting for here, the budget actual schedule.
This again on the screen is our summarized version. Uh you can see the full detail on page 67. On the revenue and expenditure side for your original budget, we did project a decrease in general fund fund balance of roughly 4.4 million.
The final budget projected a decrease of approximately 2.9 million, just under three million, came in at a positive 441,000, leaving a variance of about 3.4 million. We talked a little bit ago about the
reasons for those variances. They are disclosed in management's discussion and analysis, but I would say overall you've done a nice job putting together this budget and sticking to it. On the actual results side of things, it is difficult to budget, especially on a $127
million budget. There's some large dollars. Um, so I just wanted to take a second and say nice job budgeting. Conservative is good. I mentioned earlier that you have the annual comprehensive financial report in front of you. Included at the back of
that is a number of pages that are called the statistical information. What TCAPS puts together this packet every year you send it into ASBO you go through their review process that results in the certificate of excellence being awarded which it was again for the
past year but part of that allows you to provide some statistical information to the readers of the financial statements. So page 120 gives a history of general fund fund balance as well as the percentage of expenditures. So you can see 10 years
ago you were at roughly 6.6% 6% fund balance. Fast forward to this past year, you're at roughly 12%. Nice improvement over the 10 years. A lot of hard work has gone into that. Page 137 has the history of your uh
state aid membership. Your total FTGS 10 years ago was about 9800 9,862. I'll say this year was 8,769. So you can see there sort of a steady decline over the past 10 years.
Page 138 provides you the history of the foundation allowance. 10 years ago about $7,400. Fast forward to this past year, $9,600, which was no change from the previous year either. All right, I've made it through my
slides. I'm happy to answer any other questions that may have come up or um on slide 10, page five, whichever way you're looking at. Uh can you just go back to that >> a second?
How many? >> It's a slide 10 or page five, whichever. >> Yeah. So on the uh it was eight. Sorry, I just needed the 819 and we're on 98th. I think that was one I don't think you if you did I apologize. That's one I think that we're
most proud of as well is is keeping those general administration costs down. Um because that number looks like the high one, but high is good in this case. And um >> yeah, that's a good point. I didn't mention that one. 791
out of 8192 general administration. >> So I have to memorize it because that's one that gets frequently asked in the community and I am shocked to say it and proud at the same time. So >> um
>> good point. That was my one question. Did you also cover the millage rates as well this year? I know historically you have. >> Yeah. here. Let me I'll tell you what page that's on. >> Have you and I guess my question to it was is have you seen a a general
increase decrease or stability statewide? >> Seen stability. Um it's on page 42 of your packet. >> So you on page 42 that's the disclosure of your millage rates. You got 18 mills for the nonpre. You've got six for
commercial personal property. and you're still at 3.1 for debt service. Um I know of one other district that's actually lower than 3.1. So you're able to maintain a very low millage rate while still issuing bonds and providing all the improvements for the the property
here. >> Okay. And that's why I just wondered with pressure and politics if anything had changed and if it's still just hanging around as the statewide >> seems to be hanging. Yeah. >> To give the board an idea, what's the highest you you know of that? the highest I know of. You know, they
usually range from seven to 10. >> Yeah, >> I've seen 17. >> Yeah, >> I know it's in the Grand Rapids area. I've seen >> Yeah. >> in the in the double digits. For sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's It's such a hard thing to quantify because like you saw our property tax
values, we were at 1.6% increase and we just saw 9.5. So, kind of the you know, it's helping us with bond sales but not so much with affordable housing, right? So it's kind of this eb and flow. So we've been very fortunate uh that property tax values are increasing. So
we're able to do a lot more with 3.1 mills. But who knows what those other areas what their property tax values are and why the need for 17. >> Yeah, that was my other I look forward to that part those couple ones each year. So
>> I'll remember to put the slide back. Any other questions? >> All right. >> Thank you for having me tonight. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Can I just um echo what he said about thanking the staff and this is LA uh the last audit for Wes. Um he will be missed
>> for sure. But I just want to applaud him for his work and his years of service here at TCAPS which is probably I think about 23 24 years of service. >> 24. >> Yeah. So, >> but also Sandy and um Julie provide so
much and and really everybody involved in the business office. I mean, they're getting they're they're bugging payroll and benefits and they're out talking to Paul about capital projects like that everybody's kind of participating in whatever they're looking for, purchasing, accounts payable, purchasing
cards, all the good stuff. So, um whatever it is, we're we're happy to provide it. Well, and I was going to kick off by saying thank you to you and your team as well, and you left yourself out, but do appreciate uh the strong financial uh knowledge and support coming out of your department. So, thank
you. >> Thank you. >> Okay, for our legislative update, um federally, you know, it's uh don't know, but maybe. Uh but it we've been pretty fortunate. hasn't really hit us yet,
although it was getting obviously very close. Um, obviously some of our families have been hit by the um cutting of SNAP benefits um which has made our breakfast and lunch program even more obviously needed um with that and that
how much so many of our kids depend on that breakfast and lunch each day. Um, and so we have been continuing to strategize and work with partners on uh getting food to families that need it outside of the school day. Um so kudos to all of our partners with that whether
that's a part directly of the student support network part of Father Fred or um our uh all of our step up Northern Michigan um just the food pantries all of it across the district of folks that
stepped up and continue to do that u before during this uh government shutdown and after. Um but we are continuing to look at that. Um, I know that our partner NMCAA that runs Head Start was getting close to um having
some real effective things here uh soon um on the federal funding aspect of that. Um so um we'll see what happens by the end of the week here um if the federal government's back open. Um but we're continuing to monitor that and how
that might affect any grants or school funds uh moving forward. um on the statewide uh realm. Uh we're just continuing to decipher and get information about uh state aid and all the different components of that. Um one
that is uh directly related is section 31A which um we'll have a conversation on um a little bit later here I expect. Um but uh lots of questions and again lots of grants that are not even out yet as far as information such as there's
money for SRO's that's in the budget that's competitive money for uh infrastructure that's competitive that we do not even have any applications or anything and don't expect to for a while we have a small component that was put in the budget for some educator compensation things and again we have no
clarity and no application and probably don't expect that till at least February uh from that standpoint with the state budget. So, keeping our conversations going with our all of our uh professional organizations as well as the state department of ed and our local legislators to continue to learn more as
they um MDA deciphers and puts out the regulations related to those. So, we will uh keep you informed as we begin to learn more with that. So, anything with the state or federal >> I just wanted to ask about the transportation competitive I assume that's a grant
>> that is not competitive. that is that is um that is formula driven based on student counts of morning riders. >> Okay. >> So again, but until >> it's unfortunate that it's morning for us. So we have a lot more afternoon but >> but so that um our counts were put in in
October but we have not and probably won't see my guesses until after the new year exactly what that lands and get clarification of exactly the amount we can expect with that we can expect within our state aid payments on that categorical >> is a significant difference between
>> yes >> that finance >> any other questions on that. Okay. Tenure and then I um a part of mine I'm going to take liberty within the superintendent report to add an E because this is my section. Um I do want to give an update on tag, but I'm going
to go ahead and let Connie go first with the 10 years that we have. >> Yeah. So, it's my pleasure to recognize Lee Neu who has met the requirements and completed successfully her probationary period and is now recognized by the state of Michigan as having tenure with
Traverse City Area Public Schools. So, I just join in um congratulating her on this career milestone. >> Okay. Thank you. And congratulations. Want to let you know and update you on um where we're at with our our tag plan.
Um we uh as you may remember last board meeting, we talked about gathering some data information. I was able to pass on that survey information on to the board that we received uh um late Friday to close out um that. And so Dan led a a a
good virtual conversation with all of our current fourth grade tech parents. Um and then obviously that information was followed up with in the survey. Um really good information. I'm glad we did it. I think we learned a little bit. Um one of the things that really wasn't
quite registering in my mind was um that our fifth grade is currently blended classes. So they're not east and west. They're they're mix up of all of those kids. And so as one of the things that kind of came through loud and clear from those parents is they they they did ask
if there's any way to have those kids finish out together. >> You mean the fourth >> the current fourth graders that'll be fifth graders next year. Yep. To be able to be together, you know, for that to not be broken up from friendships separate, which had a lot of merit to me in thought.
>> Um and then you know what what that allows us to do then is obviously we'd have a brand new incoming group of fourth graders next year. um that still have to test that could um you know come together knowing what the plan is. They can decide if they want to test or even
accept a spot um with that. So we've talked to all of our building administrators and at this point um our plan is is for next year um we will have our uh current fourth graders raising fifth graders. they will be at Monasuri
for one year um to finish out um and and with that we're going to um our our Mokai program which is currently at our MAI program there which is currently at central grade um we were planning on putting there. So what our hope is
there's a chance and we will not know until we get enrollments this summer that there might be one room left here for the MYAI program to be able to be in. Now I remind you that that's a program that actually has uh grade span of years. We even have some sixth graders that are in that program. That's
why we really liked the idea of Monasuri for those kids. They're interested. Monasuri is of a peer-to-peer program. We have that's a K8 building. So we have some sixth graders there already. So that really is our ultimate fit. But for a year to be able to honor our fifth
grade parents uh with the current TAG kids, um we are hoping to be here. If not, um we could do a one-year contingency having those kids go to Cherry. Um we do have room there. We don't think it's a long-term room there. Um Scott had the chance to go to the
housing summit. Um I've had the chance a lot. If you see the housing and especially uh apartments that are are working towards uh workforce housing that's happening in that three mile and
Hammond 3M and um and uh um >> Potter Potter Road and Lefraier all that. So between that Traverse Heights uh and Cherry null area, we're expecting growth. Again, 55 58 kids, 60 kids is
all you need to fill those two rooms up. But for a year, we know those are a couple years from first opening. We think we could do that. And then our plan would be for that 27 28 year, we would have those fourth grade TAG kids
stay at those buildings of Silver Lake and Eastern and the incoming new fourth graders would also be in those buildings. But it gives us a year to just have one class at each to be able to figure things out. our preschool that's currently um there that's not
full but that's there can stay at Eastern for one year while we completely take our time figure that out we do have some spaces I've reached out to the college even about an opportunity right next door we could possibly do something at Central High School it gives us a year to figure that out honors our
parents in the TAG program now and it gives a slow roll into Eastern and Silver Lake so we think this is the best plan for it um and so uh My plan is after tonight to move that plan forward, but I wanted to take any questions the board might have.
>> Does NMC have a a preschool kind of program? >> Nons that are associated at least with us. And so I have I have a call out. I haven't had an opportunity yet to to follow up, but it is something right next door we're intrigued on, Beth, if that might be an option, an opportunity.
um especially um you know if we have possibly even a part of of uh TC high of of um you know new moms or dads that might be able to take advantage of that. I will tell you good news is as of right now we do not have any pregnant um moms
at TC High. I think that's the information I heard the other day. And so um but in that case scenario, we have more kids that we're trying to get some opportunities at MC from TCI and obviously have our dual enrollment programs and that there but being right next we may have some parents that are
are going back to school at NMC that could fit. So it's something we're exploring. This gives us a year to cultivate those conversations and that from that point. There's nothing that that basically identifies all the preschool or even daycare that's in the
Traverse City area. There's no clearing house. >> Well, there there's a great start collaborative that just kind of got cut from the budget. So, all those people that were doing that from the ISTD have been discontinued. So, we really don't have an avenue, but from word of mouth, we can try and learn more. But to my knowledge, and correct me if I'm wrong,
>> MC runs space I think to Mson right now. So there is a small area for theirs, but it's not like open to everybody in NMC. It's a rented space. >> Got to have something. >> Yeah, >> I would think. Yeah, that would be uh an interesting thing to know.
>> But this would give us a full year to be able to explore fully what our options if we need it. We may get it next year. Remember that's a tuitionbased preschool program, not our GSRP. And it's only half full right now. We had full sections and we had one empty this year
and not full this year. Let's see where that that goes. But we will have a plan clear articulated as we get into this next year for the following year of what we're going to do with that if needed. >> Well, I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time and having that
discussion with the current fourth grade TAG teachers. Um, I know last month that there there was a lot of um interest in having a a quick decision and I was probably swept up in in that, I will admit, but I'm glad that we took a pause
and and the administration gathered that additional information and came out with a different outcome. So, thanks to all for that. Um, one question I had about the fourth grade. Um, the I'm just wondering what the administration's thinking in terms of the fifth grade
teachers next year because the current fifth grade teachers are retiring at the end of this year. So, the current fourth grade teachers, will they move up to fifth grade with that cohort and continue that um, specialized teaching or are you thinking of
>> I haven't had that conversation yet from a staffing standpoint. Um, I know that we've talked a little bit about it. there might be one teacher that's interested in the eastern um class. Um but you know, we would we have to open that up to all of our teaching staff as far as interest in that. And then if we
don't, Phil, we would obviously post a part of our entire HR process that looks all over the country with um our handshake uh um system that that puts out all over the country interest and as we do with all of our our teachers. So uh but we would go through that process
once we have this people will know our parents that are are interested in testing um you know with the Kogi this year will know where they would end up you know between one of the two um and we will make sure we clearly advertise and explain exactly what that plan is.
>> Okay. >> Uh I just have a question and thank you for listening to the parents and the four current fourth grade tag. Um I something I hadn't even thought of. So I appreciate you guys just listening. Um but just curious because um just from
previous and I don't mean to to put you on the spot here, but previous conversations about Monastery >> and how that has shifted. >> It's not a great fit still, you know. I mean, if you think about it, we're going to have to figure out an art teacher to go over there. They don't have art. It's embedded within their their curriculum.
um with that um and we we really think that you know talking to their staff for the benefit of the kids that are there that that Mai class fits better um from that standpoint. Um and but for the sake of what the parents are asking of what
they you know there was some confusion whether they understood that upfront or not that it might be split up this year. We think that for one year this is the best. We're going to learn and see where it all lands. Like, you know, that this is our plan moving forward. Things, you know, could but but we just we think
once we get we don't want to transition a group of of the the kids in TAG >> twice. Like once these kids start at Eastern and Silver Lake, we want them to be embedded into as part of the building. And we've talked with our principles about that. Even staff. I had
the chance to go over to Eastern this morning, talk to one of the fifth grade teachers, talk, you know, this gives us a chance to have those kids become a part, learn, you know, the culture of that building, and then the following year, like to have them pulled out again. They were they're in a different school now, come to a different, and then a third, we don't think that's fair
to those kids either. So, this is what we think just with the mix of it all. We're trying to do what we believe is best for kids in the culture of those buildings. And this is the model that we think in the end's best. temporarily fitting some things because of places and classroom sizes and all that that we
think works. >> Okay. Thanks. Yeah. >> All right. Any other questions? >> No, I'd like to thank Dan and um his staff, whoever coordinated the call. It it really helps a lot to be able to at
least have them feel and understand that they're part of the solution. and we didn't provide maximum flexibility on this. So, it was kind of nice to zero in on something they can live with and >> ultimately maybe we can live with for a year. >> So, thanks.
>> Yeah, it definitely was one of the harder puzzles to look at that seems like it should be simpler than what it is, but when you get into it, >> when you essentially close a building down for three years, it's one of your largest one of your largest buildings and you know, and squeeze into this space. We always knew that was going to be a challenge. um that you know but we
want to honor all of our kids, all of our programs. We honor oursel being a district of choices and supporting all kids is our strategic plan to say. So we are we are working towards trying to this will also even the classes out and we will see where this lands with this each side of town. Our hope is is that
we actually end up with full classes and both sides and that that works. And if you look at the data, you'll see a lot say, "Oh, we were Eastern. This is like a a applause, a double, you know, a double, you know." So, it'll be interesting to see what it has. No guarantees of what we learn, but we'll
we'll learn that and inform it and see, you know, again, we we made space available at the new renovated central grade if the board chooses to have that go back. And we have options moving forward in the future. >> We may find that the TAG program gets bigger. >> We may
>> with this. We may we'll see. >> So yeah, >> we'll see. >> Those were good questions. >> And I do have a district highlights yet um for tonight. So I kind of skipped that a little bit. So um I did. So I will hit that now. Uh November um again
is no Native American Heritage Month. So the district is celebrating um this heritage month with various activities including our spirit week this week uh the 10th through the 14th. We want to thank uh Lydia RTCap's indigenous education program coordinator for organizing the the spirit week. And so
again, we get a lot of support and help from uh Grand Travers Band of Ottawa and Chipua Indians. And so we appreciate their support and uh continue to do great work uh in in the area of recognizing our indigenous uh students and community. Um, West Middle School's
eighth grade symphony band has been selected to perform at the 2025 Michigan Music Conference, taking place on Friday, January 23rd at 9:00 a.m. at Devos Performance Hall. This is an exceptional honor as the Michigan Music Conference is widely regarded as the state championship for middle school
bands. Uh, the West Middle School Symphony Band selection marks only the second time in school history that West Middle School has been featured on this prestig prestigious stage. The last occurrence being in 2007. I had the chance to go see, I believe, West High School's uh band perform at DMAS um a
few years ago. Unbelievable experience. If you have the chance to go see it, you will not regret seeing just how awesome our kids do and what an awesome venue that is. Our student support network is hosting the winter warm-up shop on Thursday, November 13th, and Friday,
November 14th. Uh, the winter warm-up shop offers free new and gently used winter outerwear and footwear for students currently enrolled in Traverse City Area Public Schools. Shopping is by appointment only and will take place at the TCAPS administration building, Glendelman's right here at 10009 South
Oak Street. Please email uh Katie Cubich, which is Kubcaps.net for an appointment. So, uh, athletic things, uh, given to us by our athletic directors. West Senior High, the girls cross country team, finished seventh at the Division One state finals. Uh, Tessa Mascari was
first team all state. Libby Shutler was named the regional coach of the year. Boys cross country finished 11th in Division One state finals. In football, Drew Esper was named as the Sagenov Valley League player of the year. Boys soccer was the Big North Conference
champions. Our girls swim team combined with Central High School uh as a conference champion. Uh state swim qualifiers are swimmers Laya Glenn, Lauren Johnson, and Abby H. Hotton. And diving state qualifiers are Skyler Hawings and Ally Leante. Central High
School, the girls cross country team finished 18th at division division one state finals. The boys cross country runners, Caleb Keller, all state and selected to represent team Michigan at the nationals. and Jake Jack Steen is also a state qualifier. Boys soccer was
conference champs. Uh boys tennis conference champs and state finals qualifier. Volleyball conference champs still going. And a football district champs and still going. Um also to let you know, Traverse City High School has started the new Maverick Education
Program. Each Friday, students have the opportunity to participate in activities that are centered around post-secondary opportunities, community service, team building, and cultural connections. During the first quarter, stu 73 students participate in at least two of the following Friday enrichment opportunities. All school orientation
activity, raining liberty ranch, Grand Travers Regional Land Conservancy, Michigan Legacy Art Park, Kasca Matson Hospital, Music House Museum, Michigan Maritime Academy, Renie Orchard, and TCC Airport Tour. After each experience,
students incorporated characteristics of the TCAP's portrait of a graduate as part of their reflection. So excited about the work going on at >> TC3 participating. That's cool. >> Very good. Awesome. Um then also want to recognize Katie Cubish. She was named um by the record eagle as an influential
woman of Northern Michigan for her work with the student support network. As you all know, Katie works extremely hard and takes great pride in what she does working with all of our team and uh just very proud of her and the recognition is welld deserved and uh just want to thank
her for all of her work. So that is my highlights for tonight. >> And last year it was Christine. Well, yeah, that was actually in our influential leaders. Um, that was just just actually not that many months ago. So, >> too >> and Josie was last year as influential
women of Northern Michigan as well. >> Jesse and Jesse >> all sorts of great women. >> That's right. >> So, women have >> um a quant >> a question. Can you just do a brief
summary update on the bathroom facilities at the high schools and the middle schools? >> Yes. So, um a part of our bond project, uh we have completed u multiple renovations uh when we did the innovation manufacturing centers at
Central High School. Um we had a large uh addition of um I believe there nine I think >> some estimate. nine or 10 individual restrooms that are there um for student use. Um and at West High School, part of
our summer renovations in each, we were able to actually transition to large king restrooms. That's the the state title for that, by the way. Um to about 20 individual um units. So, this was something that came out of our student um our our board superintendent student
advisory committee. So, at our presentation that uh Josie and I had the opportunity to lead at the uh school board's conference, we were able to show that and the students were able to talk about their conversations with that and um how they really felt heard and be able to have facilities that they really
like now. They think that they're much much better. Um and uh so as we continue to look at renovations and things and builds across the district, it's something that we want to try and incorporate when finances allow us to do so. Are they pretty much in one particular area or are they scattered?
>> So, at West High School, the the we took one that was in the very back of the building. Um, and then in the at the front in the commons area off uh they were split. So, they were uh a boys and girls bathroom at the common area and a boys and girls bathroom in the back that were completely gutted and turned into
multiple single user with individual doors and and we've had that a part of our if you want to see that people can go and take a look at our uh finance committee and we've actually highlighted that in pictures um and shown those a part of our updated construction projects.
>> But we do we do a blend too. So, at all of our new elementary schools, we've added single users throughout for options. >> We we always struggle with I there's some that would ask us to have no gang restrooms and like John said, that's a technical term. Um, but we are um
there's certain code for plumbing requirements and your counts. And at some point, if you do all single users, the amount of square foot you need just gets to be um unreasonable. And so, we do a blend >> classrooms. Yeah. And then regarding locker rooms, you don't have locker
rooms to worry about at the middle schools and elementary. >> We do have them. Yeah, we do have them, but that's something as we continue to look at and build, we're continuing to look at options for students that may want a private space. So, as we continue to work on our other buildings, it's something we will have conversations on
as we go through with our finance committee to see it. It was a point um to recognize in the central high school renovations for the gym um that we did address locker rooms and have an option for students that would like privacy. >> And then the gyms the gym that's going in at central.
>> That's what she was just talking about. >> That's what I'm talking. So it's already integrated into the plan that we have options within the locker room for complete privacy for somebody to shower and use a restroom. >> Okay. So >> central grade. >> Oh, sorry. >> No. >> Yeah. >> Go there yet.
>> Thank you. I just want to give a shout out to all of the trustees who made it to that Michigan Association of School Board's annual leadership conference too from Thursday through Saturday. Every every single one of us, seven plus the superintendent plus Connie Taylor needed
to at least part of the conference and that was a really good showing for our district. >> Yep. You know, we skimmed over it rather quickly, but I'd like to congratulate Coach Sugars for a win in Moskegegan and wish him good luck at 40 Central. >> I mean, that's as far as they've gotten
in a while. So, I hope they continue that. >> Lots of kids still in a lot of cool stuff and hockey starting and robotics is rolling. So, >> we'll have plenty to continue as well to celebrate. >> Um, okay. Um, without any other
questions, we'll move on to board committee reports. Uh, curriculum committee October 28th. Trustee Ballinger. >> Okay. Um, yeah. So, trustees and I met uh with
the administration on on October 28th for the curriculum committee meeting. Um, we started with a couple procedural items. Uh, added a clarifying statement to the prior month's meeting minutes. There were no updates to our district course catalog. We did approve and move
to consent three field trip requests for both middle schools to go to Washington DC and West Senior High to go to Australia and New Zealand in a couple of years which is exciting. Moving on toformational items, we first had a presentation about our mobile healthc
care unit. Um, and I I assume all trustees have seen this, but you know, for the benefit of the public, I'll just give a quick summary. So, the mobile healthcare unit is a partnership um with the TCAP student health center and we had a presentation from Hannah Wilson
who's a physician's assistant and the medical provider there. This is a partnership through Northern Michigan Health Services. It's funded by a state grant and they believe it's sustainable with bipartisan support. It was launched at Traverse City High this year in September and they had two visits so far
serving 16 students. Their aim is to hit two schools per month for the remainder of this school year. The second item under information was the Northwest Michigan Community Action Agency partnership with TCAPS, which is a little bit different because it focuses
on mental health supports. So, right now there are four liaison at four elementary schools, Traverse Heights, Blair, Long Lake, and Central Grade. Um they basically take a case load of 15 students at any given point in time for
about 30 to 90 days and they served about 75 students last year. Moving on to our learning series, we went over the elementary fall data which was NWA results for kindergarten through fifth grade. The highlights there were that 47
to 60% of our kids reach proficiency in math. This is K through five. And then uh 50 to 63% hit proficiency for reading. And then briefly had we also talked about as web which is a separate test of all elementary school students
um for their oral reading fluency. Um, Angela Sides McKay, principal at Willow Hill, and Jonathan Swiggles, principal at Eastern, then talked about how they and every building principal at the 11 elementary schools review data
three times a year systematically and um basically, you know, do a plan, a do, a check, an act cycle. Act meaning revise, maybe going forward based on the latest results. Um, one quote from Mr. Swiggles I really liked was uh he said a takeaway
for them was for teachers to cut the fluff and teach the stuff to enhance learning. Um with that we had our celebrations and successes as usual and our next board curriculum committee meeting is on Tuesday December 2nd at
8:30 a.m. here at the administration at Glen Limus. >> All right. Thank you. Any questions? Okay. uh board finance and operations uh reported out by Trusty Harding. >> Well, mine won't be nearly as exciting
as that report. Um everything we did primarily at finance wasformational items. So, we spent a fair amount of time on the new transportation policy or or the current transportation policy and talked about some of the new driving software capabilities and
um it was interesting and we didn't necessarily make any recommendations but it was for information only I think that it was presented. Uh went through capital projects, went through central high school renovation, heard a report out on sustainability. Christine updated us on finance and then
we concluded with district purchases. So, it was pretty routine and we were out of there within 45 minutes. Our next meeting will be December 2nd, I believe. >> Okay. >> Checking here on my computer.
>> I believe that is >> Oh, no. >> December 4th. I'm sorry. >> That's it. >> There you go. All right. Um I'll be doing the executive committee um report out. It was uh we had your meeting uh beat by 45 minutes. We we went in at
4:00. Uh it was uh I believe Sarah's first executive committee meeting. They're not usually Oh, second. Okay, good. They're not normally like they were the last time. It was a very late agenda board policy. Um one um moving under consent and we had an HR update.
uh still starting to get in some of the early retirements and uh posting early for positions. Uh we do still have open positions with TCAPS facilities and bus drivers, open interviews being conducted. Other than that, there was a
low amount of business that day. So, we adjourned at 4:07. Um and the next meeting is December 4th at 400 pm um again in this room. Any questions on that?
Not not specifically that, but when are the next office hours? >> They're coming up right now. >> I didn't know if we're going to get Okay. >> Uh board office hours uh reporting out for the inerson meeting on October 23rd. Uh Trustee Mu Moore. >> Uh I just had one visitor uh and that
was it. I um Trusty Hardy and I talked about maybe at our organizational meeting proposing maybe some different ideas of how to incorporate our community into our meetings. Uh he had a great suggestion to us to go to our PTO meetings.
>> So something to think about and actually engage our PTO. So um again we can discuss that at organizational meeting but again just just one visitor um same topic >> and that has been a theme and obviously we've discussed and um >> yeah it it is to the point where I mean
we only have a couple more so we might as well let it ride but I agree with you as well that we have to do something different and that's >> always willing to feedback get more people. Yeah >> and thank you for filling in for me. >> Absolutely. And we will take the next. >> It sounds like you are taking the next one on November 20th. Uh a virtual
meeting on this one. So you >> It is virtual. >> You are virtual on November 20th. Uh from 6:00 to 7:00 p.m. >> yet to do a virtual explan so it's okay. >> Uh moving on then consent uh agenda. Is
there a motion to approve the consent calendar as presented? >> I move that the board of education approve the consent calendar as presented and without discussion. >> I second. >> Second. All those in favor say I. >> I. All those post say nay. Motion carries. Uh discussion item. Why it was
such a light executive agenda is there was one discussion item school safety update. Defined daughter. >> Yes. So over the last couple of months, Patrick McManis, our our director of safety and security, has conducted comprehensive safety presentations across the district, engaging both staff and students at each school. Primary
focus of this initiative has been a detailed review of safety drills, specifically emphasizing lockdown procedures. These sessions clearly outline how the drills operate, the necessary actions to take with different scenarios, and the importance of staying safe during the training exercises.
Patrick tailored specific training for elementary and secondary levels and included administrative staff and school resource officers with some of the presentations to cover a wide range of topics including online safety and bullying. A core message delivered throughout all presentations stresses
the importance of being safe, responsible, and respectful not just during drills but as a continuous e expectation for student conduct while at school. Thank you. Um, now we're at the second public comment. Uh,
any additional public comment? Not hearing none. Okay. And then so we will just before we get to the next agenda item, are you here for civics class by any chance? >> We're going to go into close session at the next item. So we can actually sign your uh form now.
>> Before we do that, >> we won't make you wait for our >> We won't make you wait while we're not in the room. Pick any of those sevens around. >> Who's the lucky He's
like "Girl >> get out of here. >> I'm out of here." >> Before they change their mind, I'm out of here. >> Okay. We are now at the close session portion of the agenda. Uh, may I have a motion the board go into close session? I move that the board of education go
into close session for the purposes of consulting with an attorney as allowed by the open meetings act PA267 of 1976 section 8E and to consider a privilege written attorney client communication as allowed by as allowed by the open
meetings act PA267 of 1976 section 88 >> second any discussion >> Tammy Please conduct roll. >> Trustee Mumour, >> yes. >> Trusty Pack, >> yes. >> Trustee Bajaris,
>> yes. >> Trusty Ballinger, >> yes. >> Trusty Hardy, >> I. >> Trustee Schmidt, >> yes. >> And trust me, >> yes. Motion carries, requiring five to votes pass, but unanimously does. So, we are now in close session. Uh, we return to this room um as well as online when
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I d I just we did return to open session just uh to clarify that. >> So, real quick, as a procedural item that we would need to add a discussion item to the agenda, and so that would take a super majority to do so.
>> Yep. And I was going to uh >> um I motion that we add a discussion item, which will be item 12, to the agenda to discuss uh specifically pending law. 31 >> 31A funds.
>> Second. >> Second. Any discussion? Tammy, please conduct a vocal. >> Uh, Trustee Numail, >> yes. >> Trusty Moonmore, >> yes. >> Trusty Bajaras, >> yes. >> Trusty Ballinger, >> yes. >> Trusty Hardy, >> I. >> Trusty Pek, >> yes. >> Trusty Schmidt,
>> yes. >> Okay, so um the next discussion item is item 12, which is the discussion on 31A funds. Um so just to add a little clarifying here is with the state
budgeting process we have some uh parts of the budget that we're a little unsure on. Um so we did have uh communication uh regarding options to doing uh on that specific thing. Being a little careful as board members here we did come out of
close session. We cannot talk about what was discussed in the close session, but uh a lot of this is publicly available information that we can certainly ask questions about. So, we just had a lot of information and I'm sure there's some discussion that we want to have. Um specifically, the issue is is in uh the
31A at risk funds is there's a dollar amount that's allocated that we have to uh accept terms for. And quite specifically, I think that and we obviously haven't discussed this, but in the presentation, I think the I
certainly don't know what we're agreeing to uh in that section, and I think that's the crux of the issue. So, I guess we can open it up because I'm sure there's questions. Um, but specifically the the question is is is do we want to
seek legal uh clarification on what that means? Just to clarify, section 31A refers to mental health and safety, not at risk. >> 31A correct. The other thing that makes it concerning
is that that it lasts forever and um so that there's no period of time where if you wave certain rights that um it's in perpetuity,
you know, until I guess you die, >> providing you're still associated with TIPS. >> Maybe not. >> Yeah. >> All right. as part of the clarity. Okay, I'm not going to say a word >> and I think I think let's before we even kick off the discussion I think it's important to say and I'm asking us to
have this discussion I guess but like I don't think any of us are opposed to the intent of the legislation which is to basically say if there is a a situation we will not impede an investigation into that situation. I think all of us
support that uh objective. So I don't think we're trying to fight on the objective of the legislation, just purely the fact that we don't understand how it could be applied to to us um in general. >> So is that is that fair to say? I mean
>> I mean I think it's obvious, but I feel like that is important for us to say. >> Yeah. I I Bridge Michigan just did a article on this last week and it lays it out that if a district takes the section 31A funding this current school year,
there are strings attached and the strings are are very vague and and could have serious consequences for a district and the board of education and the superintendent. So, um, it it's to me a
case of, you know, there were lessons learned at Oxford with their catastrophe a few years ago that are very grave and we all take seriously, but the legislation hasn't been the perfect fix and their unintended consequences that impose a lot of risk for districts. And
I think a lot of my concern outside of the un not being able to understand exactly what the definitions and intent is there is that I want to make sure that if we as a school board like have we need to attract members I mean we're
lucky we have people running for our school board. >> Um there's a lot of people who do not have people running right now. That's already a problem in the state. we're volunteers and to say that we're gonna not get paid, be subject to lawsuits,
and not be able to get any legal advice for that those lawsuits is a really hard thing to ask a massive majority of the population. And I think it damages our school >> uh system, not our school system, the entire school system as a state. um and
just places unreasonable burden and to be honest leads school board members to get to have to make a decision to either talk to an attorney which could be subject to or they a lot of people are just not going to make a decision. They're just going to keep quiet. It's
going to make the problem worse, I think. So, >> well, and again, the response to a tragedy, right? You're not focusing on the prevention of such a tragedy. And so yeah, but the unknown, it's the unknown of
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I think that's or the clarity, I guess, not the unknown, but the clarity of what this 31A is. >> Mhm. >> Or is not.
>> I mean, truly. >> Yeah. And outside of any of this, I I asked I was in Lancing Monday Lancing last week um talking to legislators and uh other people just all over kind of the spectrum who were aware
of this and every single person had a different take on what that meant. >> Which to me indicates that it is vague and we can't understand uh what it is and how are we meant to accept someone we don't understand the terms of. So, >> I'll say that said there are school
districts in Michigan who are opting in, including Lancing Public School District. >> But it's yeah, absolutely hard hard. And I I hate that we're put in this position >> because to Scott's point, of course we'll be open to investigations. Of course we'll be transparent. Of course
we'll be hold ourselves accountable. >> Yeah. So I mean obviously right now the discussion at hand isn't isn't whether we accept or don't accept funds. Um although I think after that the uh we
can have in as part of that discussion you know probably setting up another board meeting that we don't need a board motion to do but we should probably set up have that conversation as part of this. But our specific decision at this point is do we join a lawsuit that gives
us clarity specific to that section. Um that is is what we have to decide. >> But we don't have to decide that right now tonight. We have to decide if we're going to join the the lawsuit today >> to get immediate to see if we can get in
to see if we can get clarity on an emergency basis before we're required to opt in or opt out. >> Okay. And we and the decision needs to be made just for public by November 30th. >> So we have to make the decision to accept or not accept the funds by
November 30th. The superintendent technically does. >> Um right. And uh so we have to you I think right now is is there's a really big debate about whether we can accept those funds. I mean uh I think
that's a discussion that we have to have and we should set up the board meeting to have that discussion. But in the meantime before we even get there. I think the only option is to seek as much clarity as we can um >> by way of an injunction if we if we can secure it. >> Yeah.
>> So you mentioned Tai Lancing Public Schools. So, was there reasoning behind why they accepted? I mean, where did >> No, I'm just reading an article in Bridge and they posted their link to their resolution that they adopted. >> I think there's a couple of things. One
is we just came off of a budget cycle uh that was most tedious, you know, and delayed and federal funding. There's a lot of unknowns right now. >> We had our audit earlier today and we have a high fund balance like when say
high fund balance but we certainly have a higher fund balance than we've had for a long time and we are financially stable so we have those I can tell you there's a lot of districts that are not in that way um >> we have I wouldn't say we have the option because I don't know if I >> yeah this is a horrible decision to make
but >> not to say that a million whatever is yeah >> I I would be I would be remiss to also mention that you know when we didn't get the chance to see the language and it was passed out two hours before it was to be passed for our associations, our schoolboard associations, others to be
able to sit and take a look at that and have the conversation with our local legislators. >> This very well could have been fixed before we got to this point. But the fact that none of those transparent things, I think it's ironic of we really want transparency in this, but yet our
legislature didn't give us transparency to be able to have that debate >> is one of the reasons why we're sitting here today. >> And that may well have been their intent. I don't know. And it's not just it's not as simple as I mean tell me if I'm wrong in this John like I'm this is such a complicated
matter with so many unknowns but I have concerns legally like let's say okay we just accept this and take the money we're contractually obligated to defend and wave like protect those constitutional rights as well which I
don't know what lawsuits that could lead against us as a district if we do ex if we do opt in like I can see challenges from multiple partners that we've got indemnity agreements then >> it goes down to basically every employee
>> and and again trun's opinion dig it out there is that if boards accept they said that board members should consider somehow independent um legal um coverage for themselves again one law
firm's opinion that was mentioned in a you know in a a webinar again another law firm may say no like I think that's the point like can we get some clarification the legislature is not willing I think our only other choice you know to maybe consider that is for a
judge to give us a legal opinion and maybe there's you know can bring clarity to it and go oh now I know but you know like if we could get that before October third November 30th before the board you know before I have to go in and get direction from the board to make it
click is what we're looking for. >> And I'd also Oh, sorry. Be just real quick like to make a note that the um our ISD is meeting as a board tomorrow. Um so I think like that's important too just >> because the thing is is you're not just
speaking for yourself. If I'm no longer on this board, I have spoken for my replacement >> until hell freeze is over >> and I don't think I can do that responsibly. >> And that's my problem, too, is good luck
recruiting competent >> or mechanisms >> or anything. I mean, they've cut all the legal protections that are given to you constitutionally out from under you
>> and that's unconscionable in my opinion. >> I agree. >> Um, so yeah, I I think it's a problematic Go ahead. Actually, >> oh, I was just going to ask for the public record, do we need to cite the U party that has led this lawsuit?
>> Um, I think we >> because we are a party. We are just saying we are a party. >> Yeah, we're going to um but one thing that we should clarify is that um at this time we're not asking to expend any funds, district funds. Like we're not
asking the board to >> Mhm. >> um uh spend money on this right now. I think it's a a big enough issue that those those are being covered elsewhere right now. Could I get a little leeway if there's a little bit you know to consider of under certain amount just if
there is some documents or something that does you know >> just in case I would hate to have to bring you back if there was something small but if you wanted to that's up to you but I'm just thinking out loud here you know while it's been stated that like if there's something that >> you know
>> yeah I don't think I mean technically I think you got within your spending >> I do so the board could we don't have to include that in the motion but the board that is I do have up to a certain dollar amount that I have discretion to be able to do >> and I don't think we'll be anywhere close to that. >> That's true. >> So I think yeah obviously if there's
very nominal fees >> and if there is whatever it is I'll make sure to inform the board if the board sort of to choose moving forward. >> That's all that's what I would ask is if there is any nominal fees but they would be extremely >> nominal. But as of right now I kind of can tell you we the the the leaders have said at this point that they're taking all the they're not even going to send
me an advice or anything anybody. So that was what was stated. Of course, if we don't approve it, then it'd be really hard for them to ask. >> That's correct. >> Should we get the motion on the table? >> Um, yeah. I'm happy to have what a proposed motion would be so everyone knows. Um,
>> T, did you want to read the motion? >> No, I don't think he does. >> He volunteered. >> No, I shall I >> Yeah, sure. I Anyone can, and I'm happy to do it as well. I move that the board of education authorize Traverse City public schools
area public schools participation in the proposed lawsuit against the state and such other defendants as may be appropriate challenging the constitutionality of section 31A
2 and nine. >> So do we have a second? >> I'll second. All right. Second. So, the motion's on the table. Discussion can continue. And obviously, I want to make sure that um everything is covered on this as well. Uh T has a question.
>> Yeah. Can can someone explain uh the proposed lawsuit? >> Well, there is not a lawsuit yet. There is one circulating that. >> So, can someone just explain this line participation in the proposed lawsuit? you you may want to rephrase it just to
give authorize the superintendent to file suit. >> That's what I would have thought. >> This is what they gave us. Okay. But again, this is your guys' make it any way you want. Any way to explain, but as of right now, we have, you know, a
proposal um from Miller um Johnson >> Canfield. >> Canfield. Thank you. Miller Canfield to um file suit. >> That's a construction. And so they have asked us if we would be an interested party in that suit. >> So we could we could withdraw the motion
on the table, make it more specific at the board. To be honest, I would have done so, but the reason >> I'm only giving you that as always suggested language. It's never >> I do that, but usually when it's presented in this one, it's usually much >> I know I asked for it just for you to have it, and that's what they've given
me. So >> I I can withdraw my motion. Yep. Okay. There's a >> and rephrase. >> Yep. Okay. The >> throw my second as well. >> Well, wait till you get a rephrase first. >> No, I can. >> I'll withdraw your second. Okay. Yeah.
Thank you. Okay. Yes. So, I move that the board of education authorize Traverse City Area Public Schools superintendent to um authorize
the participation in the proposed lawsuit um against the state and such other defendants as may be appropriate. challenging the constitutionality and it's the US constitutionality
of section 31A 2 and 9. >> I do it >> now. >> I would withdraw that >> before you do there was because it is Travis City authorizing Travis Area
public school superintendent >> to file suit to file suit. She said proposed that language and I also would say that this is US and state constitution. Yeah, that that part I was gonna but before we make another one, let's
>> participation. No, superintended to >> a lawsuit against the state, right? >> Not even proposed because there's nothing as to Tai's point. There's nothing really proposed at this point. >> Correct. >> To But are you are you technically
filing from a Connie? Tech are you filing or you're joining? joining to join what she said to join the >> to join a lawsuit against the state and such other defendants as may be appropriate.
>> It is the proposed lawsuit, right? >> Yes. >> We don't even know what's proposed at this point. We're just >> it's a lawsuit. >> It's a challenge >> to join a lawsuit because it doesn't matter whether it's proposed or not. It won't be proposed when he's joining it.
>> So, >> well, the first thing that's going to happen is the press is going to ask for the proposed lawsuit >> against the state and sexual defendants may be appropriate and constitutionality at this point. >> All right. So, I think we got it. Do you have it down? You want me to try again?
You want me to do it with you? You're withdrawing your previous >> withdraw my second one. >> Yep. >> And >> defer. >> I'll defer. I was hoping uh the rest of the school board >> I may need to talk slowly to make sure I get it through. Um but that's okay. Um I
move that the board of education authorize Travis City area public school superintendent to join a lawsuit against the state and such other defendants as may be appropriate challenging the constitutionality of section 31A
sections 2 and 9. >> I second it. >> All right. You got my mouth >> me in again. >> Okay. So, we now have a motion on the table. Um, which I do agree with you. I like that. I like the wording obviously better. So, thank you. Um, but did you
have any other questions on it? is that uh >> um well I I I understand um this is a way for us to to your words get clarity around
the strings attached to the funding. Um and I also understand that we as a body need to make a decision whether to accept this $1.2 2 million that that funds all sorts of important
>> and that's approximate. I just want to put it we haven't got the actual number yet. >> That funds all sorts of important things in our across our school district including guidance counselors. So I understand that. Um and if this injunction
happens before the 30th and it's ruled unconstitutional, what would we do then? If well if it is ruled unconstitutional then no one has to >> yeah sign it
>> kind of I just want to be clear that's what's going to happen. So, we're gonna we're going to leave the lawsuit, right? The junction price clarity. What's going on here isn't legal with this related to 31A. Would we still be suing the state at
that point? >> So, Connie, tell me if I'm correct. What's like if if we uh do get word back that there is a injunction, it is a injunction that will likely be until the facts are finally determined.
Yeah, it'll be for determined period of time and then >> clarifying >> and then pause. >> It'll be a pause. >> So if there's a pause then we will not come back here. Um >> we may not need to come back >> before the first.
>> You don't know that outcome? Possibly. >> Possibly not. Right. >> That's right. >> Um I would outside of this afterwards we can after we settle get ready to do this we can we can set another board meeting. >> Yeah. And I'm just trying to wrap my head around like cuz basically we're
we're using this lever to force a decision around whether or not this is legal. >> Mhm. >> Correct. >> Or to buy us more time at least at least clarify at least clarify that could theoretically be a third option where
there's clarity given that makes us and everyone else comfortable >> makes decision easier or harder. >> Yeah. I don't get much. >> And there's and there's multiple things that could happen. anytime the attorney general could give an opinion. You know, there are different things, but right
now we see no evidence that that's happening >> and this is the lever you're proposing. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And that's the other option is if what the legislators are are telling us uh cuz they they have communication amongst themselves that they've they're
like it's not a problem. So yeah, the attorney general could offer an opinion which is that's as good as a court opinion >> for the most part is as good as a court opinion. We can if we get that then
>> make a decision if we agree with that or not >> and then that or like I said judge but you know I I anticipate you know either way that and again we talked about this a bit but it wouldn't be bad for the board to meet again once
when it as we get close to the date to be able to clarify where we're at in the situation and a decision on the funding. But after this motion, you know, after a vote, we can talk more about that. >> Um, >> I just wanted to acknowledge that, you
know, my first reaction was, why wouldn't we just rely on the legislature to sort this out with in a supplemental bill. You know, that would be the normal process. It does seem like this is kind of a bazooka taken out to fix it. But
I'm going to, you know, defer to your decades of experience on this. >> I wish that they they would take it up. I wish that they would, you know, with the legislative days that are left here before the the hunting break to be able to take this up and do it, but so far, every indication I've had, and I did
talk to our lobbyist from uh uh Kelly Cawthorne today, and he sees no no willingness to take up anything for that matter, period. And do you think it's just because they have bigger priorities or the legislators themselves are just >> I don't think they know what it means. I
don't think all that. I think that, you know, they just finished the budget, you know, you know, weeks ago. And I just think that they just recognize that the timing is not probable by the date that MD is saying it has to be done. And MD is fans forced because they have to get
the payment out in the December payment because the legislative language says they have to have it out before the end of December. So >> this is because we you know I what the determining factor was I will tell you this was originally due >> the 15th
>> of November and MD did push it back to the 30th to try and I think and I don't have any >> information to say prove this but I think to give some more time >> for people to look at all this and think about maybe the legislature to act all that but I think they're taking it right
up to the last minute they can before they have to calculate and get it in a state aid payment in December and they have said that they are going to liquidate all the funds in December to those that are in. >> Yeah. >> And those that are out will not have an option.
>> Yeah. >> Now, could that change somehow? Yeah. >> But >> as it sits right now, that's where >> injunction that will change. >> And that's why I think uh to separate the two issues, I think I I mean I guess we can go to vote, but is there any other clarification any board member
needs? Because I I think >> I mean my last thing we're joining so we're joining which to me means others. Do we know who those others are? >> Not totally yet. All of most of them all have board meetings tonight or first thing tomorrow. I see. And so to be able
to, you know, say so I wouldn't want to speak on I know that who we were on the call and others that I think are going to and I will just say that they are larger entities of districts or ISDs from a cross-section of the state, but until their boards or their superintendents that have authorization
in their policies to their superintendent to do it on their behalf declare that, we won't know that until the next 24 hours. >> Okay, last question. Has the has TCAPS ever filed suit against the state? >> Yes. Um, not since I've been here, but I do know that there was, I do believe, a
case involving pupil accounting of a million dollars that somehow was there. >> I'll be you were definitely on the board. >> You exhaust that one if I just to your judgment and expertise, can you speak to maybe some cons of why some
consequences if we enter into and sue the state on this? Are there any unforeseen consequences? >> Yes. >> Okay. one is I think there'll be there will be questions of the Oxford situation and I think we have to be ultimately clear like we have tonight
but that we don't disagree with the spirit we understand the realities I think it's that we just feel we need clarity because there is so ambiguous the language related to attorney client privilege and to mass casualty and all
those things that we don't understand and our our legal advice we're giving given is that it is ambiguous and like you know this is a you know there's just so unknowns and so what we're trying to do is ask and get clarity from the
courts of exactly what that is and if it's legal or not as you'd said and then from there we think we can make a better decision. >> Okay. Well, that makes sense. I mean I don't take suing the state lightly but I I and I to Jos's point it does seem a bit of a bazooka but I I'm going to defer to your expertise on this and
>> I I really do not want to do this. Okay. But I feel I also don't want to do >> I feel a professional obligation and an obligation to our employees, our future board members, future employees, future superintendent. >> Like we need clarity to this and students especially. That's right. >> That we need clarity so that we can make
a determination. I don't take lightly, as you all know, and I know you don't either, $1.2 million that means a lot for our kids in our in our district. >> But at the same point, I have an obligation to all of those entities to at least ask for clarity. And the only avenue we right now have that we think
is is viable is through the court. >> Okay. >> And when language says you're waving all privileges >> and there's no definition of what those privileges are, >> all means all. All >> constitutional rights. >> You know what would fall under that umbrella. It's just it's not narrowly
tailored. At least as it's written in my opinion, to achieve what they were hoping to achieve, which was good intentioned. It's just not narrowly tailored sufficiently for that. And once you sign on, you know what I mean? Or we don't challenge it goes on forever.
So you are waving potential privileges you don't even know you're waving >> and and previous >> correct >> potentially. And one other point on this, we are able to before November 30th before we sign the document to withdraw this >> which we would have signed. We just
would not check the boxes. There's a there's a choice of checking the boxes and certifying or not. >> We still be in the lawsuit if we don't check. >> That is the question you will have to ask yourself when we get closer. The board's going to have to yet make a decision on where you go. We're hoping to get clarity before you have to make
that decision. >> Okay. >> Which part of the nice part about it is we're not we're without giving permission to expend >> funds, >> right? >> Uh yeah, like it limits. So suing the state from >> So what I want to bring clarity is is the board is the only one that has the
ability in our policies to go into suit and the board is the only one that has the ability to withdraw from it. >> And so the board would have to take action at any point it wanted to withdraw. I would even ask in this at a point before the 30th the board if it decided it wanted to continue to also
make a motion to do that in the future if the board so chose. So this is definitely not a final stop. This is in my mind a two week a two week decision and then we revisit it again within the the two weeks >> I uh
>> or before the three weeks before the 30th when we have to make a declaration in the nexus system with an MD >> and I I don't want to do this but I call this a plea for help to the state to clarify what we need to know to make a
decision for the safety of our kids. And that's really where I'm at. >> The state or the federal or a federal. >> Well, yeah. I mean, I ultimately I'm asking the state to let us know, but yes, if if the courts or any other avenue has to be the one to let us know, then so be it. But
>> so be it. >> Ready to vote. >> Ready to vote? >> Yes. Um Tammy, please conduct a roll call. >> Uh Trustee Newman, >> yes. >> Trusty Pack, >> yes. >> Trusty Beras, >> yes. >> Trusty Ballinger, >> yes. Trusty Hardy. >> Hi. >> Trusty Moonmore.
>> Yes. >> Trusty Schmidt. >> Yes. >> All right. Motion carries. Um I do appreciate this is a particularly difficult uh complicated subject with no good outcomes, but we uh we have our two weeks to find out if we can get some clarity >> and I will keep the board updated every
step of the way as I learn information. Now, um, with that, I guess, uh, we can either set a meeting today or or we can have Tammy, uh, um, survey everyone and find a time that works. Um, >> I have a hard time setting a meeting
time until we know whether or not we're going to get >> It's going to have to be as late as possible. We can move it. And that's why I said I can call the meeting. I I guess the first point is we're like just so the public and the board knows we are
going to most likely be required to have a meeting. I would say >> before November 30th. >> November 30th. >> Yeah. No, I agree with that. >> Well, hold on. What about Friday the 28th? I mean, rather than Saturday or Sunday. >> Can I can I just say this? >> Like here's my weird feeling, right? The
court's probably not going to meet on Saturday, >> but it wouldn't shock me to see this go to Friday. Let's let's let let's let Can we let Tammy coordinate? >> Yeah, we totally can. And that's why I said I'm happy to >> and and and you have that ability. You you know you have to declare a special
meeting by >> how many hours? >> I think it's >> emergency I think 36 emergency is 18 but I think I want to say it's has to be posted within 36 hours for a special meeting >> somewhere. saying Saturday or Sunday is
probably more likely to Okay. >> Again, I I think let's get some dates and then if I can get some clarity on that as we get closer and if we think I can give the board some information on where that is and then I can work with Scott based on availability to set a date >> and just as long as we know I mean who's
traveling and who's not traveling. >> We will we'll find out all that out >> to collect we can have it. >> We'll have a few different ideas of as dates are coming up who's available and when to ensure we would have a quorum. Okay. >> All right.
>> And again, just to be clear, just to be clear, you have to be in present in person. There's no mechanism for virtual or proxy participation in a meeting. >> Um. Yep. Okay. So, uh any without any
other questions on that, I think we we know what we're doing for the next few weeks. Um we do have coming up at our December 8th meeting which is the next um board of education meeting. It is at 5:00. That is because we're going to to
try this differently. We've we've had times where and again we've we're piling up uh meetings right before it. But by the time we got to the superintendent evaluation, which is one of the most critical parts of our board service, it's usually it's been very very very
late at night. Uh, and we've all been trying to get out as quickly as possible, which isn't conducive. So, we've talked about this before. We're going to try doing this at 5:00. We're going to start with a closed session. Um, my goal here is to wrap that up by 6 and then we would even if we're done
early, we would we would recess until 6:00 and we will start normal business at 6:00. So, >> just a bit of clarity, you will actually start an open session, go directly to close session. >> Correct. So I was going to I was going to say so what we will do is come in it will be posted at 5:00 we will come in we'll do the very first procedure items
go straight into close session letting the public know that we won't have any substantiative we'll have public comment after the close session is my is going to be my proposal in executive because that way I don't want people coming making public have to come an hour early to make public comment so we get the
superintendent evaluation done and go into the normal meeting at basically public comment >> um >> not until after we say the pledge of allegiance which will happen after we come back. >> No, we will do it. We will >> you'll open with the pledge. You'll open the meeting and then go into approve the
agenda um and then we will go into close session. >> Just for clarity so I know um for our members that are winning compass awards next month, will we do compass awards before or after >> six o'clock? It's like a regular meeting. Just wanted to let them know for attendance purposes >> and that's why I wanted to get the
clarity out is and we will we will figure out making sure we're either done by six or we have to we'll figure that out. We start regularly at six. >> You just mentioned we would go but we pick up with public comment. We usually do those before public comment. So >> you are correct. I apologize. I just No.
Yeah. >> We're gonna invite them to be here. I just want to >> we would start with we would start regular recognition and then go into public comment. >> Thank you. >> So um and it would be pretty prompt at six because we'll be ready to go. Um, >> my only comment here was that I thought we had talked as a board about 4:30
instead of 5 because we were worried that even with 5:00 it would be rushed because in the past the superintendent evaluations have been >> and I totally remember this conversation. Uh, >> I think me and Tammy both had five written down, but I >> I thought we landed on five after that
conversation but >> we okay that was the consensus. I think we had that conversation and I >> I remember talking about it, but I swear we landed on high. >> And if it got goofy, you can always pause it, do the meeting, and go back. >> That's why I said
I'm just saying from a procedural standpoint, you can >> we we talked about it earlier having everything motion ready. So we we will have everything if we had to >> if we felt if we're going to be a couple of minutes, we could we can make it work. If we're going to be >> half an hour, whatever, we can adjust.
So, um I will say to make it efficient and to make sure we can get done in the hour, um I'll try I will make sure and we will make sure that we get out an email to all board members to come prepared for that spec especially for that section. You go in and fill it Yeah. fill it out yourself. It's not the
final one, but if you just go through it, it will cut out a lot of the um procedural questions that you guys may have. I try and talk to everyone about it so we know what we're doing ahead of time. So not not what we're doing on paper, but what the procedure is ahead
of time. So there will be less time taken up with that and we'll go straight into it as quickly as we can. >> So we have homework. >> There will be homework. This is one of the few times that there will actually be and if you don't if you if you unsure or don't have particular opinions,
that's also okay. It will just help. I we're going to try and move it as quickly as we can um during that to make sure we're done. Um, my goal is to be done early so we can have a little recess and get ready. So, >> do the newer board members have to take the the MEESB training that >> everyone is required
>> ones above. Okay. >> I think everyone >> I think we had Yeah, everybody's taking it. >> Okay. >> Um, good. >> Yep. So, um, so that is again messaging on that. anything we can do to make sure that everyone's clear that we are going
to start at 5 that and we um will call to order and be in open session go straight to close session regular business starting as normal at 6 um with that do I have a motion to adjourn the meeting >> I move to adjourn the meeting >> second Erica I all those in favor say
>> I all those say nay meeting adjourned