Heat. Heat. present. I call this meeting of the board of education to order. The board would like to welcome the audience and thank you for attending. Viewers may watch TCAPS board of education meetings and committee meetings live and on demand at tcaps.net.
Uh, please rise and join Miss Smith's third grade class from Will Elementary in the pledge of >> allegiance to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible and justice for all All right. Um, we are at the review uh
approval portion of the agenda. Um, >> I have a question regarding the agenda. There's been a great deal of talk um over the last week since our study session um regarding some decisions we made on central grade school. Are we going to
discuss that tonight? So the answer was no that I really cover that in the closing remarks but I can just say it now is that I I have had a lot of feedback from board members and in the closing remarks what I was going to suggest is it wouldn't be productive to
reopen it or have any discussion tonight but I think it'd be critical for administration to know what questions we do have and what data you guys want. So I was going to ask all board members to submit um extremely quickly in the next uh 24 hours preferably any questions
directly to John um with data that you are looking to see um or questions that you have um and there therefore based on that John can compile those and we can uh choose a way forward whether it be uh a special board meeting if needed
whatever is needed we can figure out. this is going to be what I was going to say in closing remarks but >> okay >> if that is uh good with the board. >> Thank you. >> Um I do have one um change that I would like to make and that is we have to appoint a temporary
secretary. So I would like to point that after in fact before recognition the next uh point of order um if uh is everyone's okay with that. So that would be item four and everything else will go down. >> Okay. I move uh to approve the agenda as
amended. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> I second that. >> All right. Um we will need a roll call in this one um because of the change. So uh Tammy, please conduct roll. >> Uh Trusty Schmidt. >> Yes. >> Trusty Beris. >> Yes. >> Trusty Hardy. >> I. >> And Trusty Newman.
>> Yes. Motion carries. Um so with that, we do need to appoint a temporary secretary. Uh the full policy says that when the secretary is away, the vice president will step in and do that. The vice president is absent as well today at another district event. Um, so I was
I was going to ask Scott Hardy, it is at the will of the board, but if anyone else wants to feel free that they want to do it, Scott is willing. >> Don't everybody jump at once. >> Yeah. >> Take a step forward. >> I'm I'm happy. I've got a I wrote a I
changed a motion here to do it, so I'm happy to do it. But it's uh I motion that the board appoint Scott Hardy as temporary secretary for the February 9th, 2026 regular meeting of the TCAPS board of education. >> Can can I give a point of order? >> Yeah. >> You can't hold two offices at once. He's
already a treasurer. >> Even as a temporary >> I don't believe so. >> But the the secretary does not have to be a member of the board for the bylaw. So you can remember our she's she's our temporary secretary when we start. >> Yeah. So, from a temporary standpoint, if you want to do that, you could make
Tammy that, >> but you can't serve two positions at once. >> So, I just lost the job. >> Pretty sure >> I'm happy. >> I just had thought about that. I just it it would make sense that you can't be treasur and secretary. >> Yeah, I either way I guess it's I'm happy to uh accept that. So, I withdraw
my motion if if uh Tam is okay to do that and I can So, I will withdraw my motion and um I will say I motion that the board uh appoint Tammy Brun as temporary secretary for the February
9th, 2026 regular meeting of the TCAPS board of education. >> I second that. >> Okay. Um Tammy, please conduct oral vote. >> Um Trusty Newman Bale. >> Yes. Trusty Bajaras. >> Yes. >> Trusty Hardy. >> Hi. >> And Trusty Schmidt.
>> Yes. >> All right. Motion carries. So, thank you for that order of business. >> Uh moving on to uh recognition defa. >> Yes. Okay. So, tonight we have uh um our uh award winners. So, I'm going to pass
that off to Connie Taylor to introduce our cupest awards. >> My pleasure. Every other board meeting, we have the pleasure of honoring individuals who have been nominated by their peers. um for the Compass Award. And the Compass Award are those individuals who represent the ideals set forth in the district's strategic plan.
So this evening, as I call your name, if you could please stand and I want to read just a little bit about some of briefly about what your uh nominee nominators have said about you and then when we're concluded, we'll invite everyone up to get your certificate and take a picture with the board of education. So first of all, tonight
we're going to start with ASME um Jeremiah Williams, custodian, central grade school. Jeremiah is nominated for this award for his exceptional dedication and professionalism as a custodian at Central Grade School, where he ensures a safe and welcoming environment. Beyond
his technical skills and problem solving abilities, he is celebrated for his proactive kindness and willingness to go above and beyond to support both students and staff. Ultimately, Jeremiah is recognized as an in invaluable community member who maintains the school's heart. just as much as it's
building. Thank you, Jeremiah. Next from TCTA, Vicky Acriman, bus driver transportation. Miss Vicki is a dedicated bus driver at Westwoods who sets a positive tone for the school day by greeting students with kindness, patience, and encouragement. She balances professional integrity with
a gentle approach to discipline, ensuring all students feel included and respected while following school policy. By embodying core TCA's values, she fosters a supportive environment that promotes respect and responsibility for every child on her route.
Congratulations, Vicki. Next from the TCA, Jill Warren, science teacher, West Middle School. Jill Warren is an exceptional educator nominated for the TCAP's Compass Award for her ability to blend high level academic instruction with a supportive
inclusive classroom culture. She is recognized for her dedication to the district's strategic goals using differentiation and mentorship to drive student success while fostering deep connections through her infectious enthusiasm and humor. Ultimately, Jill serves as a vital leader and role model
who balances professional excellence with a genuine light-hearted approach that resonates with students and colleagues alike. Congratulations, Jill. Next from the TCAA, Jeremy Hows, West Middle School. Despite being a new west middle new to West Middle School,
Jeremy has quickly become an essential leader by tously advocating for student inclusion and revitalizing the special education program. He exemplifies the district strategic goals through his co-leership of the PBIS initiatives and his commitment to building genuine connections with every student. His
proactive, detail-oriented approach has fostered a supportive environment where all learners feel respected and valued. Congratulations, Jeremy. from our non-affffiliated administrator group. Tyson Burch, director of transportation.
Nominator cites a specific event which after a mechanical issue at dismissal, Tyson and the transportation department efficiently replaced a bus and got students moving only six minutes behind schedule. This rapid response ensured students remained safe, warm, and dry while minimizing the logistical
disruption for families. The team is commended for their impressive leadership and coordination in handling the unexpected incident so effectively. Congratulations, Tyson. From food service, Stephanie Havens, kitchen leader, Willow Hill Elementary.
Stephanie provided invaluable support during the downtown Traverse City light parade by assisting with the festival de festive decorations and cleanups of the school bus. She enthusiastically participated and with a helpful attitude created a joyful experience for the students, making her a wonderful addition to the event team. She went
above and beyond by volunteering alongside her husband to ensure that the evening was a success from start to finish. Congratulations, Stephanie. from the TC Capser Group. Jen Cateria, school safety liaison officer, Central High School.
Jen is an essential member of the Central High School community, who goes beyond her security role to support the band boosters and actively beautify TCAP's campus through her summer painting work. She is recognized for building strong, supportive connections with students and staff while creating a
physical environment that fosters school pride. Her diverse contributions and dedication to the Trojan family makes her a truly indispensable asset to the district. Congratulations, Jen. Lastly, Danielle Gorley, non-affffiliated support daycare
assistant, Long Lake Elementary. Danny is a high energy addition to the Long Lake Elementary morning program where she excels at recognizing students strengths and making every child feel valued. She fosters a sense of community by leading students in meaningful service projects such as creating
appreciation cards for staff and writing letters overseas to troops. Through her creative games and thoughtful activities, she has transformed the morning care into an engaging environment the students truly look forward to each day. Congratulations. At this time, we'd like to invite all of
the winners up front where we have certificates for you and would like to invite you to take a picture with the board of education. So everybody knows the flag is all on the right side now. >> You didn't notice that. Yeah, that was something we learned last week. >> It's
>> Yeah, I think we cool. >> Are they coming here? >> Thank you, sir. It is my uh announcements of the morning. >> A thumbs up. Congratulations. >> Congratulations.
>> Thank you. Thank you. >> Congratulations. >> We can alter. All right. Here we go. >> Right there. >> There you go. >> Okay. Ready?
>> One, two, three. >> You promised me good. We're gonna start charging. >> All right, one more hand for everybody. Thank you. >> Hope she's getting hers. >> Okay. We'll just give everyone a minute to
Oh, okay. >> Okay. Um we move on to the uh next item which is public comment. Uh the board has set aside this time for public comment and individuals addressing the board shall have one opportunity to speak. They should be limited to 3 minutes. Individuals should not make personal tax unrelated to actions
affecting the school system and we strongly encourage common courtesy and constructive feedback. Due to rules and procedures including a complaint process are outlined in board policy 25504. Tanny >> Tim Werner Hi, Tim Wernner, 608 West 7th Street. I couldn't hear, but all I supposed to
say. Uh, my kids are both graduates of TCAPS and I'm a parent. Um, you've heard me twice before. This is about Central grade School. Um, I'm not here to say I told you so. Uh because as a matter of fact, I feel like I didn't tell you uh
what I should have because it's in my head like how it was going to play out and it played out exactly as I expected. But kind of shame on me and others for not more specifically reaching out, inviting you to coffee, whatever it might be, and saying this is the points
in the process where you need to make sure you ask administration to ask DYA or whatever to provide this information. Uh, so shame on me. Didn't do that. Um, I did watch your schoolboard meeting. I thought they were excellent questions, but you're backed
into a corner, frankly. And administration was backed into a corner, therefore you're backed into a corner. So, here's the decision. Um, was it possible to electrify? Absolutely. Um, were these folks really interested in electrifying?
Not at the chance. Um, they've gone through the steps. They've provided, you know, what they need to. I shared with some colleagues back there that I was in a similar situations when I was in, you know, 9th, 10th, 11th grade with my parents. I just told them what they needed to know. I didn't lie to them,
but I told them what they needed to know. Um, and the same happens. I mean, we're all humans. Um, I'm an engineer, so I can disparage engineers. Engineers are humans sometimes, most of the time. Some are better than others, but uh
they're going to steer things the way they want it to be steered and that's what's happened. Um so enough about that. uh some of the good questions that were asked many good qu they were all good questions but and this is again it's not to say oh you
going to change I don't expect at all that the decision is going to be changed but the topic came up oh what if we go to year round schooling in the future five six years from now and we don't have air conditioning like shouldn't we have that well the same really applies for electrification it's not five or six
years maybe it's 10 15 20 years but at some point. If you believe in climate change, all the schools will be electrified. And a school that's just being rebuilt now, maybe the HVAC's at the end of its life,
but a good chance it won't be. So, you're going to be paying twi, not you, but TCAPS, the taxpayers will be paying twice uh for that Hback. They'll pay once now and maybe once in 20 years because the folks that are going to fill your chairs in a few years, they might come up with a climate action plan that
says, "Hey, we need everything electrified uh by 20 whatever it is, right? The state like the city of Traverse City intends to electrify everything, everybody's home and everything by midentury, whatever that means, maybe 2050." And that's not as
far off as it used to be. Thank you. You go. >> Uh, Scott Richards. >> Scott Richards, Green Lake Township. I went to the ICE protest that was put out on by the schools. I guess I talked to a
young man from uh TC Central and I asked him where he got this sign that I took a picture of and he said he got it from the school and I just relating that information if he did get it from the school. So I think this is
uh definitely what's the word uh not discriminating. What is it? Indoctrinating. Indoctrinating our kids if they're going to give out school signs for ISIS. That's sad. And these
other books that I think aren't indoctrinating. It's Red, White, and Royal Blue, Gender Queer, um, All Boys Aren't Blue. These books don't need to be in the high schools, in the libraries. This is indoctrinating
our kids. Our kids don't need pornography at all. Not before they're 18. These are sad books and it's pornography. And it might have led to the poor report of Jordan Demay from Marquette, Michigan because he got into
sexing and sexing is part of pornography and these books kind of lead into pornography and he got caught and sent pictures and these pictures were not good pictures. and then he got blackmailed and then he
died. So, I think these books lead to these kind of um actions and I don't think they're good for our public's kids. I appreciate that. And I really want to know if the school was handing out these signs
because if they were, I'd like to hand out some Bibles and I got some pretty good signs I'd like to hand out at the schools. Thank you. Susanna Tobin. Hello. I watched the study session a week ago
and I'm very excited about the proposed design for Central Green School. I think the architects had a tall order and they nailed it. Thank you for everything that has led up to this moment. It's been a long time coming and it's a huge relief that Central grade will be getting the
upgrades that it that it deserves. I know that everyone is very excited about it. I think you did a great job listening to the priorities of the general public and also the principal and teachers at Central grade. That said, I don't think the board members were given enough information last week
to make a sound decision regarding the options as presented for the HVAC system. one that will chart the energy path for central grade for the next 20 plus years. No one expects the board members to be experts regarding HVAC systems, but they don't know what they
don't know. Last week, the board voted to accept the recommendation to move forward with the plans as presented in order to keep the project on schedule. But I think it's critically important to set aside this piece of the project in order to provide the board with more information specifically regarding the
option for the proposed hybrid heat pump chiller gas boiler system. For example, the board members may not have been aware that the heat pump chillers would be able to provide both heating and cooling and that a gas boiler system would require a separate air conditioning system. and they may not be
aware that heat pumps often need less maintenance than gas fired boilers. Would it require an outside subcontractor to perform maintenance or could the current maintenance crew be trained? And would it require an actual person to run calculations to decide when to switch from heat pumps to the
boilers or could this be accomplished with a computerized control system? I know that TCLP provided current time of use rate structures and that these were used as reference points in the utility graph comparison in the utility rate comparison graph that was presented to
the board last week. But I also know that TCOP was not given the opportunity to provide more specific information as it pertains to Central Grade. As the local public utility that provides service to central grade, I think it's important for TCLP to be given a chance
to present the board with possible cost-saving opportunities. Other school systems in Michigan have switched to heat pumps as their primary heat source. You would not be the first. Maybe not with this exa exact system, but what is being proposed is worth the
closer look. I know that many of you remember when the high school environmental group spoke multiple times and requested that TCAPS move away from using fossil fuels as an energy source in any future upgrades. They know that the sooner we move away from fossil
fuels, the better their futures will be. I believe that the TCAPS board has an obligation to respect and fully consider the wishes of the high school students by taking this opportunity to make an informed decision about how best to move forward. This could be a significant step forward to help guide future
renovations and new builds for TCAPS. Thank you, >> Woody Smith. >> Hello, Woody Smith. 5025th Street, uh, place of business at 310 West Front. There was a
lot to like. I, by the way, I sent this to you by email, so if you're hearing me now, you can disregard the email. There was a lot to like about last week's presentation on the proposed renovations to Central Grade School. It was clear that the architects, the construction firm, and TCAP's administrators had developed a design that included the
input of teachers, students, and the community, and the design would respect the unique character of the building while meeting modern standards for safety and quality instruction. So, seriously, nice job. But I too was disappointed by the presentation of a
potential alternative energy sources for the building. The team presented two potential solutions. One for a geothermal system and one for a hybrid gas electric HVAC system. They rejected these two options because of high capital investment, a need for technical knowledge and a desire for system
compatibility with other schools. The capital investments in alternative energy don't depend on TCAPS paying the full retail price. Not necessarily. There are grants and incentives at the federal, state, and local levels, and even private philanthropy may be willing
to invest to cover the overage and maybe even decrease the cost of the system relative to a fully gas fired system. Michigan school districts in Ida, Whitmore Lake, Stevensville, and Ann Arbor, among others, have adopted ground source and air-to-air heat pumps in
school buildings. In my reading of these stories, I haven't heard that the school districts needed to be any more expert in these systems than they are in traditional gas fired solar systems. And it seems to me that at a time when energy technology is advancing so quickly, TCAPS and its contractors would
be better served by developing competency in different types of systems so that you can be nimble and adaptable going forward when future pro with future projects rather than getting locked into legacy systems. just for the sake of redundancy. Isn't that one of
the core skills that we are trying to impart in our students? Being adaptable. Ultimately, I think TCAPS would be well served to keep the question open for a little bit of time. Talk to the school districts and their contractors who have implemented alternative energy solutions. Explore options to pay for
the upfront investment of outside funding. Rushing to a business as usual decision in this case may hurt the long-term strength of the district. Thank you. Elizabeth Dell. >> Good evening, Elizabeth Dell, 117 East 10th Street. Um, I just would like to
say that uh what Woody and Susanna have said have kind of uh captured some of the thoughts that I had um regarding the central grade reconstruction. First of all, I appreciate very much all the work that has gone into it already and it's exciting and looking forward to seeing
it um when it's completed. Um I guess I will just really say thank you at this point for the decision to reconsider or to you know look a little further and answer some more questions about um the different HVAC uh possibilities
rather than kind of rushing into a decision. And I was um it seemed like a lot of information to take in and then to have to make a decision and I looking back I didn't see that any prior information had been presented in prior or previous board meetings. I may have
missed something but um so I appreciate that you're going to reook at that and that's it. Thank you Bill Weezner. Bill, he's there. Um,
the book High Conflict is uh being that was a conference I believe Tai went to and uh they spoke about this book High Conflict. Tell me if I if they didn't, but the speaker there wrote the book just recently and she's been promoting
it. And uh I'd like to read just from page 16. Here's a quote from High Conflict on page 16. Then came the 2020 election and the storming of the capital by a mob of Trump supporters on January 6, 2021. It was hard to predict if the
control country battered by division and disease would unite under a new administration or if the high conflict would continue as before. Each cycle of violence and dehumanizing dehumanization leading to another. I
wonder if that's just like what happened in Michigan with uh Governor Gretchen Whitmir being kidnapped. supposedly there were more feds than there were kidnappers who were lured into it and the case was thrown out. That's what should be in everyone's mind uh about
the thing in Washington DC. And then on page 29 in the book just a couple mentions here. He says, she says the author during the corona virus pandemic dot dot dot breathtaking cooperation and selflessness took place.
However, however, there were exceptions, specific leaders and small numbers of regular people who scapegoated others and divided the world cleanly into us and them. They want to say we can't have us and them. We have
to collaborate and come together. Well, they want us to give up the truth. It should be seeking truth. We don't have to worry about us versus them. And in take back the classroom uh.com, that's the handout I gave. That's the reasons that we should get those poisonous
pornography books out of the classrooms. 244 books in the 19 TCAP schools. There's the website. Uh anyway, it's takebacktheclassroom.com. You'll find that. Uh and uh oh yeah, one of the quotes here
about those and I commend you for mentioning that pornography is harmful, but now you've got 244 pornographic like books in the schools. Get rid of them. Uh pornography uh it controls the mind. That's that one there with the bird cage. And the last
mention is on the office hours. I'm glad you're changing them. Hopefully you'll get great numbers. The first thing I want you to say to them, applaud us. You deserve it for defining pornography as it is. But then the second question, explain why you still have the 244
poisonous pornographic books in the school library 19. Thank you. >> Comments. >> Okay. Thanks everyone for public comments. Um, moving on to superintendent report deferring to Dr. Vwagner.
>> Okay. Um, last week was National School Counseling Week. We'd like to thank all of our school counselors who foster our TCAP students academic success and emotional needs. Uh, congratulations to Jack Williams, West Middle School 8th grade student who was named the District 13 winner and placed fifth in the state
of Michigan for the VFW Patriot Pen Youth Essay Competition. Uh, he was formally recognized for his essay on patriotism and service at the 47th annual Midwinter Conference of the VFW. Congratulations, Jack. TCAPS is proud of you. Both East and West Middle Schools recently hosted fantastic six week
reading competition reading celebrations to honor our dedicated students. Celebrations to congratulations to all of our readers. The top readers by grade were Trojan readers Lacklin Miller, uh Reagan Bulock, Kate Hanley, and Titan
readers were Carl Benson, Maya Carlson, Maline Carney, and Anelise Rutled. Seventh grader Roman Douglas and eighth grader Charlotte Hyidloff. Every reader went home with an awesome prize thanks to the incredible generosity of our local partner uh
Center Ice Arena and how Arena Cherry Public Culver's on Mson Avenue uh Elevate Hands-On Art Incredible Mo Jimmy John's Front Street and South Airport Lake and Grocery Moomers Okis Tat Tavern Papa J's Pizza Ria Pop Keys and the
Stone Oven. We are deeply grateful for their continued support. Congratulations to Central High School teacher Becky Harvey, who was awarded a thousand grant from the Business Network International Foundation. The money will be used for lunches to give high school students the opportunity to learn about career fields and practice their communication skills
by meeting with community members. She hopes to connect students with future career opportunities. Also, Becky's marketing class, how to start a business, donated 250 of the product sales profit to the Salvation Army. At West Senior High School, the wrestling team were conference champions
for the first time in school history. West Senior High's model UN club completed competed recently at the University of Michigan in a competition with 900 student delegates. Our students uh collaborated with students from around the country to solve issues through diplomacy, including the topic
of combating disinformation regarding the transatlantic alliance. Um and we had Evie Bert and Adam Ran Rannerie with the highest honors and Zo Walker and Sophia Hug with second honors.
Um, also, um, so for, uh, our, uh, ski teams tonight, right off the press, um, I just had that, um, Trevor City Central girls won their first, uh, first point at regionals, first place. TCW girls got
second and Mark uh, and, uh, then TCW boys were first and TCC boys were third. So, always good our their ski teams and boy, what a season for ski with snow. Um, it's been a great one from that. Um,
and then, uh, from a legislative, uh, had an update called today and we're starting to get the beginnings of words of the governor's proposed budget. um leaked today is that the governor is going to propose $587 million for
literacy uh programs including what's called letters training for which could become mandatory for all teachers in the state and that's $434 million of new one-time money. Um so that's what we're hearing as a leak that she'll propose probably in her state of the union or
state of the state address. Um, so we're starting to hear little things budget-wise now, um, that we'll have here over the next, uh, couple weeks to start seeing the first glimpses of what the governor's vision is for that. Um, and then, uh, hearing from a birdie that
we might have a TCAPS person at the state of the state. We'll see. So stay tuned on that. Um, and so that's what I have for updates for legislatively. um tonight
and we don't have a board president. So we don't have a quorum at the moment. >> Actually we do have one word on the tenure. >> Oh thank you. >> Absolutely. We have one staff member who has who has completed the >> We need to pause though. We do not have a quorum anymore. >> So we have to stop
>> even forformational items. >> Even for informationational items at this point it's a recess of the board. >> So did you mark what time he Okay. It was a recess of the board. So, you know, we didn't have a qu. >> It's all right. You got to do what you got to do. So,
>> so you'll want to reopen the, you know, from the um recess at this time. >> Okay. Sorry, I didn't realize that. Well, I guess you are conducting business. So, yeah. Um All right. So, we're moving out of recess. Sorry about that.
>> So, we're coming out of recess. >> I said coming out of moving out of recess, I >> There you go. Okay. Yeah. And so now we'll go to >> we have one staff member who's completed the probationary periods required to acquire tenure with the state of Michigan and that is Lizzie Burer. So
congratulations to Lizzy. >> Very good. Okay. And that's uh what we have for superintendent update. >> Sorry apologies. We have I haven't >> I just recognized I thought I thought maybe the door somebody closed the door when that happened and so I was like
wait a minute I only have three of you still. I was talking so >> I didn't even think about the last time. >> Um, okay. So, thank you. And then moving on to board committee reports, discussions, the curriculum committee reporting out by Trusty BJ.
>> Great. On January 27th, we met. It was quite an interesting uh meeting. We had Corte visiting us sharing their STEM program after school program that they have piloted and it's available for second through fifth graders. They meet
two times a week for 90 minutes and um they will be helping Blair start this in the spring. So that's a a great STEM program for for students that's free for them. And then we went on to the West Middle
or to the middle schools where they shared moments of genuine connection and based off of the book The Will to Learn and talking about uh making middle schoolers find connected connectedness and those students who are not connected
um or don't feel connected then staff members identify them and meet with them. Uh, and the teachers are tracking that at both schools. And then our high school librarians were here. And to me, I thought it was very interesting
just because it was a place for everyone where it made me think about a a library and just all of the different things that they shared that during some of the dances they have different activities. It's a place where they have puzzles and
it's a place where they might get some homework help if they have an off hour. So, a lot going on in on our libraries um at both schools. And then there was an AP science purchase for AP Bio and AP
Chem that we that was shared with us. And then our next curriculum meeting is February 24th. >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions on curriculum? >> Well, I just want to make a comment. Thank you, sir. I thought it was a great meeting like I think uh essential
viewing um >> and I just want to one comment a couple comments from Mr. Philip from Corteade and Jen Miner from West Senior High Librarian talking about funding, you know, and we're about to approve our amended budget tonight and we're going
to start with our next year's budget. And if and if we as a body are saying that school connectedness is a priority, um you know, that thoughts of Jen shleing around cans to return to pay for library supplies um
didn't didn't sit well with me. And uh the same thing like Andy and his team do phenomenal work with title one money. Uh that's a federal uh grant that they use. Remember there's four of our buildings that don't get title one money. And I think as we think about how we because
they've been at it for three years like they this they've proved this is sustainable. It's no cost. They pay their teachers for training. They pay them for prep time. They pay them for teachers. So just something for us to consider as we enter budget season. um you know and our revenues are up 7.3
million uh versus what we approved last June. So just uh if it is a priority I just think about ways that we can um uh put our money where our mouth is. >> Um without any other questions we move on to Finance Operations Committee
reporting out by Trusty Hardy. Well, I don't have a date on this exactly when this meeting occurred. January 29th. >> Oh, February 29th. January. >> January 2. There we go. Um, it was a fairly procedural meeting. We had to appoint a new committee chair. So, they
have the same old chair that they had in the first place. Um, and we approved the committee meeting schedule. So, that's also now in place. Um, we talked about uh capital projects, West Middle School renovation
and the Sabin data center, both of which we approved unanimously to put on the consent calendar. We talked about sustainability and the sustainability committee. Um, we also talked about 27L educator compensation which is on the
agenda for discussion tonight. Um, and approve the recommendation. Um then we got our usual very thorough capital projects update. Um talked a little bit about the Blair housing project which is something we're
all very enthusiastic about and Christine gave us a good presentation on finance. Then we adjourned. Okay. Any questions on uh finance? All right. Then I'll do the uh executive committee report out from the same day,
January 29th. Um outside of procedural items, we we also covered a few overlapping uh issues here as well, but we did have a few uh board office hours rebranding was added to discussion. Um so that is uh coming up here as well. We
also with with the organizational meeting realized that we are going to have to make some changes to our board policy on public comment. So that is on discussion item. there's it potentially could have gone to consent but I do think it's important to
to acknowledge that in discussion even if there isn't many questions so we we put on discussion um tenure obviously has been being covered and we went through agenda reviews there was um some significant uh updates on HR just for for next year
we we have a lot of positions uh opening not that we're we're poorly staffed but we certainly have elementary teachers special education teachers, Spanish core teachers for secondary and uh talented and gifted. There also robotics coaches,
first third shift custodian uh needed, always bus drivers and bus aids. Um so there's a a large number of openings that we have going into the school year, which is typical for this time, but worth noting as many times as we can.
Um, and there was a special shout out to the bus drivers and aids who have had quite the month as as everyone has seen uh being out there and I do not envy them in that position. So, uh, thank you to all of our employees are getting
getting around. Um, then there was a communications update which was very detailed of web com content accessibility guidelines. Uh there's a lot of changes coming up to the web, but it affects more than just that, including our agendas, as you notice, will be changed and a number of items be
slightly different to allow for meeting accessibility standards um with the title 2 rules. So that was that we joined at 4:50. The next meeting is Thursday, February 26th at 4 p.m. in this room. Um any
questions? But Megan and Danell did a really good job on that too. So accessibility. >> Yeah, they have digital accessibility. Like you can tell they are um professionals. >> It's an overwhelming product. >> I do I I I do have some concerns just
capacity wise like even these meetings, you know, right now like you know we're going to have to voice over every public meeting we have on video. Um and so every committee meeting, every board meeting that we do like all have to go be gone through
>> and that's very labor intensive. Um so it again it's something that we're going to have to cope with probably even from a financial standpoint of capacity across the district for all that. So it you know understandably needed and why
but just do want to recognize the board that it it is going to have an impact you know to us as far as capacity to have to maybe add to be able to do that as well. >> Can we outsource that at all? >> I don't think so. >> Does Leah do that or anything like that? >> No. I mean you know right now Larry like
Larry does all our video stuff and all of that and and so you know you know how busy and all that is. So now add all these times and hours having to literally do a voice over on that video, you know, for it. So um and like I said, we're training all our people if all we
can, but there is going to be a level of capacity that we're going to have to figure out. I don't know what that is yet. We'll at some point once we get deeper into this, we'll know, but do just want to recognize it. It's it's a lot. I mean, it's a lot. It was I mean >> Tammy's been working you know been doing
I watched her in the office and she's like okay I'm trying you know Daniel's been in there and coaching her up and but I can tell just the time capacity it's taken on her already >> just for memos and those things. So >> I mean just getting up to speed with what you have to do was probably a lot.
So I was like wow that's yeah it's intense. Um so that obviously an ongoing um issue and uh but yeah a good good watch as well. Very informative. Any other questions?
Okay, that was the last report out. So moving on to consent. Uh do I have a motion to move? >> I move that the board of education approve the consent calendar as presented and without discussion. >> Do I have a second? >> I second that. >> All right. All those in favor say I. I.
>> All those post say nay. Motion carries. Um, can I did I get your eye on that one? Cuz did I hear that? >> Well, I I just had I had a question. One of the things I had said in finance is that
these projects were on consent and I don't see them on consent. >> They're in discussion. I was just going to get to it when it came. >> Then I Okay. Obviously again we have to be extra careful because I need all my all four >> again
>> it's not uh okay it's a perfect >> no no flexibility >> um all right so we move on to discussion school safety update from Dr. my mind. >> Okay. To support our ongoing commitment to safe learning environment, uh Patrick, our our uh director of safety, has
developed a new safety training video designed to provide staff with updated emergency guidelines. I'm going to pause there and I had the chance to see it when I was out at the staff meeting at Westwoods and they were like, "Man, that guy's good." >> Um but it really is good. The resource focus focuses on both refreshing safety
and security knowledge, emergency guidelines. a resource focused on um knowledge for staff and introducing the standard response protocol or SRP. The SRP is a uniform action-based communication framework that streamlines emergency responses into simple
directives. By adopting this common language throughout our district, it ensures that student, staff, and first responders know exactly what to do during a crisis. The implementation of the SRP will be a statewide requirement for all Michigan schools beginning in the 2627 school year. And this new
training video serves as a proactive step to ensure we're fully prepared for this transition. I will say it was really welcomed by the staff out there. They just thought that okay, wow, this is good. You know, still some little things like, you know, when we have kids out on the playground or some of that,
like, you know, how do we communicate or you know, those things. So, um, you know, always always continued things for Patrick to work on and protocols with that, but this was one that I think, uh, really begins to unify and just gets everybody thinking all the same
continuing the same terminology. And we're ahead of the game compared to a lot of the state and in having um these protocols and structures. So, um, always important, you know, if you didn't see today and not in one of our schools, but another school in the community did have
an emergency situation. So, it is important that we are on top of these and very thankful that the board has uh given us the resources to be able to have Patrick in his position and to be able to navigate working with our local law enforcement, our staff um on a daily
basis that I think um keeps us trying to stay in front of everything we can from best practice. That's what I have. >> Okay, any questions? Um, okay. Next item on the agenda is to
consider the amendment to the 2025 2026 general fund budgets and school services fund or school service funds. Um, food service program, student school activities fund and community service. Um, deferring to Christine.
>> Yes. >> Um, so I reviewed this u with finance and also I've been keeping the board uh um pretty much updated um as to where we stand. So, we've had some uh pluses and minuses both in revenue and in expenses. Um we saw an increase of pupils uh 14
from original and if you'll remember original was 25 over last year. So that's great news. Um we did see an excess of foundation. Our original was 10,000 it was 10,50. Um so that was an increase. And a disclaimer this this is not all inclusive so it doesn't add. Um
there's about 18,000 accounts. So we're just trying to highlight the big changes for you. Um a couple of the things obviously um with some of our money we have to be really careful when we look at whether it's restricted or not. Um one of the things that is an added expense to the general fund this year is Patrick's position. So it used to be
funded by the um 31A grant. It's no longer eligible. So that's a a direct change to um the general fund. Um and then we did have some carryover items. So that happens pretty much every year when we close out the year. We have an original budget and then we look at um
who's got carryover and how much needs to be distributed. So that happens at an amendment time every year. We also have some staff succession planning. Um so we've got a couple of people um in pretty important positions that are leaving and we're trying to hire a few months early. So we have some crossover training. So we've got a little bit
money set aside for that. Um and at the end of the day it's it's exactly where we anticipated from uh the original budget with the $2 million draw. Um, I'm hoping the variance comes in higher than 1.5. It has the last couple of years. Um, if that's the case and we don't um
pull anything from uh fund balance, we'd be at 11.6% fund balance. And as you know, this we'll we'll continue to update this and let you know with the final amendment any other changes with final allocations or um we're kind of waiting to hear on the 31A
if we're going to get an additional distribution so that can impact. That's obviously the biggest variable probably at least know >> remember our grants you know our our categoricals always come in later and you know based off student counts and so exactly what those come in some way sometimes we're pleasantly surprised and
sometimes we're disappointed when we actually get that and sometimes that doesn't happen even until you know we've even had it changed and after you know the the books >> yeah we get amendments in August after the books are closed >> so always can fluctuate some
But the pupil count is 14 above budgeted. >> Above budget. Yes. >> Which was >> 39 over last year. >> 39 over. That was I can remember exactly how many were. So >> we did end up up 50ish. >> 39.
>> $50 on the foundation. >> No 39. You said we're up 39 and then we're we were up above 14 above that. >> Nope. It was 25 and and 14. Sorry. Yeah, 25 at the original and then additional 14 here on the amendment.
>> We've talked about the ROTC program. That doesn't have any budgetary impact for this year, does it? Really? >> It will not be in this budget year. That would be in next budget year. >> Okay. I didn't know how fast we're moving on. And you know, if if if it works out like we help, we still got details to figure
out, but you know, we we would have a full FT of a person that we would only pay half of for, >> right? >> And we can use that person maybe to in a position that we might have open, you know, in some capacity. So, it could be actually for us a a positive
financially. We'll just have to see it kind of all works out, but >> and we may also drag kids into that program that are outside the district currently. So, We're always looking at what we can expand and have it be opportunities for kids and especially if we can make it cost neutral that's a great thing.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Um, I would just add I guess the only thing I was going to kind of lump into this area of discussion was budgetary was we talked about having a board policy and we talked about maybe it be
an actual fit but uh even if it was the fact that we only have four board members I feel is this is not the month we knew we're going to have a couple of difficult months here. Um but I believe we're back up to uh more members. I know we still got
some absences for the next month or two, but we certainly have more members next month. So, I think the goal will be to do it then or >> about 25 26 27. >> I'm talking about 26 27. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, we've got some time, but also I want to do it as early as possible. I don't think it's going to really change the
budgetary numbers much, but it's we should do it. >> But don't we already have a process and that's >> Yeah. >> But there's been requests from board members about different items and it's just a nice natural thing. We've had talked about self assessment. We've talked about policy of of of >> but there's they know that they can just if there's two board members they can
just put on the agenda, right? >> Yeah. I mean we could we could put it on the every there's enough people that we definitely have discussion to have but I feel like today is not the day with >> especially because some of the two of the members have specific questions. So I was like I don't want to do this
twice. Yeah. >> Well, before I make the motion, I just and I and I always struggle with repeating myself from finance, so bear with me, but I just want to take a second to recognize that this is the first time in seven years that we haven't had a drop in enrollment and the fiscal implications of that. So, thank
you to the team and building trust. Um, and it has little to do, I think, with uh birth rates and and families moving in and more with us um keeping our TCAPS kids coming to TCAP schools. So, uh, with that, I'll move that the board of education approve the amendment of the 2526 general fund budgets and school
service funds, food service programs, student school activities fund, and community services as presented. >> Any other questions? >> You want a second on that? >> Oh, I'll second that.
>> Um, uh, Tammy, please conduct a roll call. >> Uh, Trusty Schmidt, >> yes. Trusty Hardy >> I. >> Trusty Bajaris. >> Yes. >> And Trusty Newman. >> Yes. Motion Garris. >> Uh moving on to board policy 25504.
I'm referring to Connie Taylor. >> Yeah. So during the um organizational meeting, the board had some discussion about some potential changes including adding both public comment at the beginning and end of our committee meetings. Um, and that really sparked us taking a look at our current policy
around public participation at board meetings. And what we discovered was that we had some things that we were doing under the Neola policy that didn't make into the revisions when we updated and went to trun. So, this was a great opportunity knowing that we were going to add that to go in and look and making sure that our policy was in alignment
with our actual practice. So what I did was I took policy um 0167.3 which was the Neola policy um and looked at what we were um um comparing it to our current board policy. And so there are several areas that we did make some
changes um recommended for the board. Um, and that was again, um, we were there was a nice preamble that was on the NEOLA policy just talking about the importance of getting public comment at our board meetings and I thought that was a nice way to add that back into this policy. U, we also then added um,
under B of 254B the two public participation periods being offered at all meetings, not only board meetings but committee meetings as well. um and then that participation would be subject to some various rules which we um have kind of rewarded just a little bit again
to make them align with our current practice. So we didn't currently have in the um the trune policy where they would pull out the card and present that to um the secretary in order to be acknowledged and so we've added that language. Um we've also added under two
that individuals will be limited to one participation period per meeting. So while we have to our practice is to allow individuals the three minutes one time per meeting. So we added that language as well. And then also wanted to make sure that we were adding the
language that we use at the preamble before each of our um public participation pieces essentially just urging individuals to use common courtesy and to avoid making comments unrelated to district business or of a personal nature. And we wanted to make sure also the the previous NEOLA policy
had the complaint process. So if individuals did want to talk about an individual either a staff member or a board member, there is a complaint process which we have now included in section 4 of the policy. Again, this all came right from the previous Nola. Um,
and then also wanted to clarify that this is an opportunity for individuals to bring forward questions or concerns to the board, but that the board would not be engaging in dialogue or answering questions during the actual meeting. And so I do believe we're talking about making uh some additional cards for
individuals moving forward that they be able to pose some questions that could then be relayed on to the appropriate individual to answer that question for them. Um, and I believe that was the last change. So essentially just bringing it into alignment with current practice. >> And I think just of a couple of things
obviously it was it's stemming from the organizational meeting but there was a couple of things that we did lose when we did we did our policies that we is current practice. >> Um I think one of the things that has come up multiple times is on item number four is common courtesy. It's something
we can ask for. It's very uh limited of what we cannot allow because is every a lot of things can go towards schoolboard service and um so the bar is extremely high. I don't know if you kind of can just mentioned like where that
>> bar is. >> Yeah, it has to when things are being said it has to cause a significant disruption to the meeting in order for it to be appropriate to stop and ask the person to to cease um and desist and also that is also grounds for removal from a board. So saying things that are
unpopular so long as it's first amendment protected speech. It may be unpopular speech but it's speech that we do all have to allow in a public meeting. Um however if it becomes unprotected that obscene language um also defamatory language. Um those are
some of those times and we might be able to stop the the comments during the board meeting itself again. but is it causing a substantial disruption and is it more appropriate for the the board to issue a statement at a later time rather than engage uh that individual. So that's obviously a judgment call but the
substantial disruption to the board meeting was a very high bar. >> It's just come up before is you know sometimes it's uncomfortable and we want to defend other board members but it's very difficult in very limited circumstances we can.
Um, >> truthfulness is obviously not considered disruptive behavior. >> Yeah. You know, that's where it kind of borders on when we're talking about slander. You know, if the if there's an untruth statement made against a board member, that's when we really have to gauge is it, you know, it's technically
not protected speech because slander and defamation are not protected. However, rather than engage, is it more appropriate to issue a correct >> stop the public comment to to determine whether it is slander or def like then then it becomes a whole separate thing that you have to have a conversation. So, I
>> understand. Can you give us a preamble for our committee meetings so that we can read before public comment? >> Do you have you need do we need a new one? >> You can use the same one. >> Same one. Okay, >> that's fine. >> I want to give credit to Scott. This was
Scott's idea to have two public comments during committee meeting. And I think it's as someone who used to come to meetings, it's really I think helpful from a community aspect to listen to the discussion and then give comments. So, and I don't think it hurts anybody to just have it on there and if there's nobody there, then we just skip over it. So,
>> thank you for that. Um, >> so yeah, I guess I'm I'm in support of this. >> Nice. and and yeah, part of it coming out was it would be very nice to have because a lot of times people come up and make a public comment and we just sit here looking and that's what we're meant to be doing. Um and they I've
heard multiple times of call people and they're like just explain to them that we cannot answer and if you want to response email the school board and and that goes a long way. So we'll have some cards made we're >> little business cards with content on it to be able to hand >> and then with the preamble we kind of cover that too. So we're after the policy is done the next time we'll have
a a different uh opening for it. So hopefully it be a little bit more uh easier to understand. Um so uh we actually don't have one right here for Sarah. >> Thank you. >> I move to approve the revisions to board
policy 254 as presented. >> All right. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> All right. Uh Tammy, please conduct a roll call back. >> Um Trusty Bajaris. >> Yes. Trusty Hardy. >> Hi. Trusty Schmidt. >> Yes. >> And Trusty Newman Bale. >> Yes. Motion carries. Moving on to item
D, uh, which is the consideration of West Middle School instructional music edition and renovations. Defined to Dr. Magna. >> Um, and I will pass over to Christine. >> Um, so this is the project uh, West Middle School. So, um, the renovations
to upgrade the classroom instruct the instructional music spaces. Um, this one, um, as you can see, is coming, uh, in higher than our original budget. We were really trying to, u make it work within the existing footprint and not do an addition. Um, but we got to a point
where, um, if we couldn't use the little theater for choir, which they use it for a lot of other things, and wanted to keep it for other instruction, uh, then we were left with having to do an addition. There just isn't enough physical room to provide the appropriate classroom size, storage, um, and have,
uh, the little theater in use still. So that's why it is uh quite a bit higher. Um the only thing on this that um is not complete that will be coming back later is some furniture fixtures and equipment. We weren't real pleased with some of the pricing. So we're going to do some more uh looking into that with
some uh consortion pricing to see if we can get that number down. Um but as you can see the categories were bid, many categories. Um we had a lot of interest on this one and several bids in a couple areas. So some competition. Um, this one we are asking for a 15% contingency. As
you know, with older buildings, I get a little bit nervous, especially on this one. We have to do some work in the seventh grade wing to attach the addition and um, we have to do some structural se steel inside the seventh grade wing to withstand some of the snow load coming from the taller building.
So, whenever you're digging into areas that you haven't seen and aren't sure are accurate on the plans, I just would like to have a higher contingency. So, that's why that's there. >> Okay. All right. Um, any questions? I know it's been >> No, we did vet this at finance and got a
pretty good presentation, so we were unanimously supportive of this. >> Okay. Um Okay. Do I have a a motion? I move that the board of education approve the West Middle School instructional music
edition and renovations as presented in the agenda packet for a total amount of $4,263,737 with a 15% conting contingency due to the age of the building and will be funded from capital bond funds. >> Second. >> All right, any other questions? Tammy,
please conduct a roll call vote. >> Trustee Beris, >> yes. >> Trusty Schmidt, >> yes. Trusty Hardy >> I. >> And Trusty Gman Bale. >> Yes. Motion carries. Uh moving on to the next discussion item which is 27L educated compensation deferring to
Christine. >> This one is very exciting. Um Connie and I have been working with all of the um union groups. So as you know, we got money from the state specifically for educator compensation with the goal of offsetting increasing healthcare costs. Um we took some time to make sure that
we understood what the purpose of that was for. or we weren't sure if it was just for particular groups or all employees. We got confirmation it can be used for all employees. So, we met with all groups and and very exciting, we were able to establish one letter of understanding for all union groups and everybody's on the same page. Um, so
we're getting a little bit shy of 1.3 million after our required FICA and retirement. It's a little bit over 900,000 we can distribute to employees. Um, so we proposed $825 for all um, employees eligible for TCAP's healthc care benefits and $500 for those not
eligible um, in a permanent position. Understanding that they still have health care costs. So, we would like to do something for them as well. Um, the intent is to put this on the March 13th payroll um, in time for some of our hourly staff that don't get paid over spring break and in time for those traveling to have some pocket change.
So, it was very very exciting to see and united front and for Connie and I to be able to work with all the unit groups and have everybody unanimously support the way that we wanted to distribute this to employees. I'm very proud of our groups. >> Yes, it's great. I if I remember
correctly, this is taxable income. >> It is. >> Yes. >> And reportable. >> It's reportable. >> Okay. Any any questions? All right. Okay. Do I have a motion? >> I move that the board of education approves the dispersement of 27L funds
as discussed. >> All right. Do I have a second? >> I second that. >> All right. Uh Tammy, please conduct a roll call by >> uh Trusty Hardy. >> Enthusiastically. I >> trusty Veraris. >> Yes. >> Trusty Schmidt. >> Yes. >> And Trusty Newman Bale. >> Yes. Motion carries. And thank you for
that work. And um yeah uh superintendent goals. Okay. So um a little on the process as with the new structure we have to approve um superintendent goals spec in and previously we've we've done it a little
bit differently. So I asked John and and board members to submit any comments. We've compiled those together. Um Tammy did you see that by any chance? Um I sent you the thing and asked if we could bring it up on the screen. just the one document. >> I did not see that.
>> Um, so what what we do have is we've got five goals submitted by John, three goals uh from board members uh specifically Tai, which I really appreciated. Um, and we've got some that
we've merged in together as well. A little bit of change. So, basically what I was going to do is just go through the PS really quickly as is. Just read through all eight on the screen. They're very very quick and then as a board we can either merge any together, revise
any, have any discussions, questions for John and then approve those goals as is we uh do have to approve them. Um really at today's meeting they this process will get easier as we get into our strategic plan. I think we'll find it it's going to be way easier but this was
a kind of a transition year. So >> did you not receive them? >> Yeah, I did. I'm just trying to How can I get there? I guess I'm not sure. >> Oh, you can. >> How did you do your >> presentation? >> I have to go over here.
>> Yep. >> I would disconnect cuz you're going to have to pull up your email. >> Oh, >> they don't show that. >> Sorry. Never mind. It was a separate. So on the on the process, this is then used for midyear review. We do a
mid-year review uh with a kind of a written report that's submitted to the state with progress towards the goals and at the end of the year this this features part of the uh annual evaluation. Um so
>> and these align with our strategic plan and >> they do um I think they do uh heavily. So I did send it out to board members. everyone has seen it. Um >> I don't know how much I wouldn't necessarily read the specific the the smart allocation until we get into which
ones we want to select personally but the goals uh again I'll just read them through is uh literacy and data driven by November 2026 district will ensure 100% of K5 buildings have completed CK CKLA implementation audits and establish
a standardized NWAT data review protocol to drive scaffold folded classroom instruction. Uh number two, increase K through8 LEAP registrations by 4% approximately 148 additional registrations for uh 2025
2026 school year to stay on track for 20% increase over 5 years. Uh by the end of 2025 2026 academic year, 100% of the district elementary school buildings will demonstrate full implementation of effective positive behavior systems and clear behavior expectations across all
school settings. uh establish and formula's five new regional industry partnerships by June 2026 beginning with TC high school and provide students with competency based real world experience real world work experiences
uh launch the district's aspiring leader academy by the start of fall 2026 semester to provide internal career mapping and leadership training for staff and then uh by 2026 the superintendent will implement a districtwide literacy and intervention
systems that result in measurable improvement in elementary reading outcomes as ev as evidenced by I won't read that portion but the by December 2026 the next goal will be uh the superintendent will strengthen instructional coherence curriculum
alignment and targeted interventions in middle school mathematics resulting in measurable improvement as uh detailed and then by 2026 the superintendent will strengthen professional culture and engage engagement by increasing opportunities for innovation as
evidenced by um that item which that that kind of goes very nicely into one provided by John. And then there's one that overlaps with CK CKLA as well. Um that that could be merged in. I'm okay
with whatever the board wants to do in this as well. Um that you know it really can take that we don't have any structure to do this. Exactly. So definitely need everyone to speak up and say their mind. I do like
John's goals. I think we uh you kind of touched on the the cultural piece as well which I think is an important piece and and John's philosophy here was building up success building up the foundation for everything else as well. So there's a lot of cultural building which is very
similar to what the approach that you had as well. So >> well I mean I I will encourage us to make these goals outcome based versus outputbased. Um, and so I have literacy, which is, and that's directly from our strategic plan. I believe a three-point
raise is realistic. Um, and you know, in giving our third grade reading scores, I think it's timely. And, and the dip in middle school math scores also timely. So, I I guess I would prefer them to be outcomesbased.
Um >> I think your third one goes is the intent is very very overlapping on goal number five which is um the internal leadership development. >> Yeah. And I think the leadership development could be one way to empower our professionals to be innovative.
Right. So we don't have a leadership academy goal as something that we said we're going to try to do. But we did try to raise the number of teachers who feel like they can innovate. Yep. >> So I mean I these are just directly out of um you know and and I'm trying to
like what is reasonable over one year you know I so this is just me again as a starting point but I would whatever we do I prefer them to be outcomes based. >> Yep. And then so what we could do on the uh I was the reason I didn't read out
the measurables because I think there's two parts of it. One is how do we structure the goal and then two is the actual number that we use for the measurable. Um I don't disagree that it would be nice to have uh that I know that we've got a lot of change especially with CKLA. I don't know we've talked about it
before is where do we see the growth? Is it you know we expecting equal growth? Is it accelerating growth? And that's I think part of the discussion. Um I I did per uh like the LEAP um registrations on goal number two as
well. Uh that was um I really did like one and two on John's uh goals specifically as well. So uh and then I would like to move uh ties
I think I guess the question to the board is is goal three proposed performance goal three and uh goal five that was provided by John is I think very similar and we could either add anything from ties into that or we
could accept John's as is either way I don't know if you have any opinion on a good way to merge anything or if there's anything that makes it I I think you just said like if you use that innovation. >> I can only support it if it's outcomes based. >> So I mean and that's that's fine. I mean and I'm fine to vote no on it, but I I
can't vote on outputs. >> Oh, and that's f I don't know if we can get all of them. Now goal number two is very is outcome based um as is number one. >> Yeah. And I only had three goals. So John has five, but I would agree. So for
sure two two is uh outcome based. Number one is not outcome based. >> Well, >> no, it's not. I mean, it's implementing and auditing. Um, so and reviewing
um which I think is important to drive outcomes, I think. So, >> so I guess I'm not going to repeat myself, but I prefer them to be focused on reading and middle school math because of the data that just happened last year. So what and this this is a question for
the that has come up and quite frankly the reason this is a little is is B the board has in previous meetings said that they wanted reader input into what these are. So John provided and if there is changes I'm now's the time. Um
I don't disagree. I I would like to get one of at least one. It's hard to choose one over literacy versus mathematics, but um we have put so much already into CKLIA. Um
>> my only thing with and I don't exactly know where this stands. I was trying to figure out with the the um the the NWA. Dan had said that that's going to be reormed. >> Yeah, I know. >> We met. So like I could hit it off the charts right off the bat or be way
behind. You know, I don't know where that lands, you know, instead of this next year, it'll be standard from there, but like in the strategic plan conversation we had, like we recognized that it wouldn't be a solid number until next year. So that's the only reason I didn't have that.
>> Yeah, that is a massive variable. Like it is >> I don't know how you do I don't know how you do it when the the literally the >> for next year it absolutely makes sense. that one does, but when we have that new norm, but like I said, that's the only thing that's there, but the other one, you know, I think will be the same
demand. So, >> so yeah, that does add a kink. So, I do think it is going to be extremely hard to add anything literacy wise. Um, that was every 5 years, wasn't it? We >> I believe so many years.
>> Um, but the math maybe maybe we move the math one in as well. That isn't the ideal amount is three to five. Um we can you know have some discretion but um
do again any guidance if not I would consider moving board the performance goal number two proposed into the goals. Um how do you feel about numbers like what's what's I mean this is obviously should be a
realistic which number as well but this is a transitional so what what is does that seem reasonable what there's comments on that it is a piece pet math grade 8 um increase overall benchmark attainment from 36 to at least 41 2030 goal is 5050
50 or 55% economically disadvantaged uh attainment from 28 to 31 goal being at 40%. I do know that we were forecasting a little bit of a hopeful increase.
Um so I think they could be lowered a fractionally but that's my opinion. I will say that I agree with you, Tai, in terms of quantifying and make these
objective u metrics of some sort. I I think the problem we've always run into is one is the baseline for CLA because we don't have one apparently. um as well. We do we do have a baseline and and we as a body approved MWA
knowing that so we do have a baseline from spring and if you go to the website it says spring 25 baseline right 54 and 40 and then then it links to historical data. So we have we went through all this with this strategic plan. But to
your point, uh we do have baseline. We now have more third graders who are not proficient in reading than we do that are. And for us to not and and again John can swing and and if he doesn't get there, right, it's we we this will just make him swing, I think. Right. And because ultimately it's 2030 that we're
looking at, but how do we show the public and and the community that we're serious about reading? >> I I completely agree with that. But the problem is that every goal we give to John and then permeates its way all the way down through staff. And are we I I
again if we have a realistic goal, an aggressive goal, I'm all for it. But if we have an unrealistic goal, then nobody meets it. I I I just I I don't know. I think >> Yeah, I I struggle. I mean, we did we did even cover low in the strategic
planning that the there's a couple of goals that literally have to get re drawn up after we get the benchmarking because we're not and then we asked if we're going to get the adjustment and we set the goals, right? And what I guess the question is what is a reasonable goal for year one, right? And I thought
about this a lot. What is a reasonable goal that again we can do this as a team together to think about moving the needle on early literacy and middle school math. Um so I thought about it a lot and I think what I wrote is
reasonable. I also think it's ambitious. Um and I hope that we will support John in doing ambitious hard things. Um, but I think it it's incremental to our 2030 vision, right? It's it's just a couple
points. I I so I I like your math specifically your mathematics one. I would have done 36 to 39 and and 30 28 to 30 uh knowing based off of our strategic
planning that there would be an implementation period. So it wouldn't be an even balance. Um, >> that's how that that would be my >> Well, I would be So, you're saying moving it from three points to two points. >> Uh, no, you have five points. >> Five points.
>> So, you want it to be again, I mean, look at where we we're trying to go to 55 again. We're going 20 in five years. So, I guess you have to think about where we're trying to be and what happened last year with our eighth grade math. >> I do, but I just again with with the presentation. I agree that it it's also,
do you want it to be ambitious? There's a there's a balance here. I mean, yeah, I'm fine if you're saying three to two points for math. Um, I also don't want to give up on reading. >> So, board members, I going to need input here otherwise.
Well, we've been I I've been through this at curriculum and I've done it somewhere else too to talk about CQLA and the frustration I have that I don't know how we're going to be able to measure progress on CQLA. Um I I I'm
having a hard time grasping that it's going to be three years before we see actual student performance results. Um, so I don't know whether this, from what I've been told, this is not realistic to be able to apply this to
CQLA in the first year. Any kind unless we're going to compare an apple to an orange because we're coming off an entirely different reading. I save me here, Jesse. Will you please? >> I feel like you're doing a great job, Scott. I just gonna let you keep going.
Um, so it's hard. We're we're measuring human growth, right? And our kids are different each year and we have a new curriculum in place. We are getting new norms on the NWA this spring. So that will that'll be tough. It'll be tough to say. Like as Dr. Van Wagner said, we
might set a goal and we might hit it by five percentage points or we might be off by 12 percentage points. Um we don't know what that's going to look like. So I don't I don't necessarily have a hard answer for you. I will tell you I I think that math one is very doable. Our our fall scores were at 39% of our kids
hitting both benchmarks. I I would hope that we were over 40% this spring. I think that's a a good goal. We've we've retoled some things structurally for our teachers. We've given them different support. We've provided them time and learning. Um and they're changing some of their instructional practice, but
that's a more stable trend line because it's the same assessment we've we've been giving for years and we know a lot about it. So, >> all right. So I guess let's start by sticking to I think mathematics let's independently of literacy mathematics I
think we're okay to add that goal >> based on that I was proposing 39 41 I think sounds like 40 is a reasonable number >> that sounds like a compromise you know >> and the only one I think 28 how
economically disadvantaged is is 28 to 31 is is that I don't know if you have that data at hand. So, >> I don't have that one at hand. No. >> So, I don't have I guess a strong any
evidence to to say otherwise. So, I'm okay with the 31. Originally, I was I had a number fraction lower, but I don't mind whatever the board >> I can live with mathematics because there's some longivity to the data that we've seen. So, at least we're able to
measure again an apple and an apple. Um I I >> see I do afterwards, but are you good on close out the mathematics at the 30? We saying 31 or 30? >> I'm okay with either one to be honest. 31. >> I think we need to be aggressive and say 31.
>> Perfect. All right. So I think we're supportive of moving that into a goal. We can choose if we're going to eliminate any other goals in a minute. Um and then now to your literacy point. Some somebody tell me what the starting point is and how we got there and then
I'm more than happy to say how we ought to progress because I completely agree we are underperforming >> in reading at this point and we need to do better and we need to stretch and we need to be aggressive but I want a goal that everybody
understands and buys into. And so I I I don't know. I I can't I don't think we have a baseline that everybody's comfortable with at this point. >> So is >> Yeah, that's
I I I like the idea of having something, but I just don't know how we what we compare it to knowing that again, even in the strategic plan, we got told that it's going to get completely redone >> and our numbers may be off. >> Yes. When they reorm though, I wouldn't
say it's like a complete redone. You know what we've seen in the past is when they reorm, our scores tend to get inflated. They tend to actually look better than where they were previously. That's what we've seen the last few times they reormed. >> When does that process normally occur?
>> It's every 5 years when they get enough. >> It'll be the spring. >> That's the problem. You don't, you know, this goes spring to December, >> you know. So if you're doing spring to spring, but you're not, you know, >> but in this spring, meaning before school is out, we'll have those
>> for the April >> spring assessment will have different norms than prior springs >> before they take the assessment. >> Correct. Like what they score the the students on that'll have different norms. >> So it truly is not comparing.
We we got the norms actually for this fall um and they were applied this fall and this winter and we saw about a 3% increase in general. So we're living under the new norms right now. >> So that's my point. I wouldn't I mean it's likely to be up. It would be
actually easier for me to go you know got the increase you know and I don't want to take >> credit for a norm you know that was what I struggled with. I actually wanted to be transparent with it. you know the >> go for it but you know
>> it's outside of our control again we knew it was coming when we approved this using the spring 25 baseline we we chose to use NWA instead of the state assessment that's us deciding not John so I don't think any of that is out of control and no one's going to say oh John you are touting inflated literacy
numbers I don't think anybody is going to say that I think people will say something if we don't make literacy outcomes a goal though for John and help John achieve those >> that has yeah >> I mean and I'm okay I said I struggle
with adding a goal that we don't necessarily have a bench a stable benchmark for but as John said I think >> I also to your point I think we have to we are acknowledging as a board this is our focus >> and if we're going to talk about goals
these are probably two of the most important >> it to CLA >> so I guess with you know with that we could put it in and understanding that we're well we got to have a key you either going to it and uh have >> or we're going to have to revisit this
when we get the new norms. >> Yeah. I mean I would ju just based on what we saw in the fall I would say we're already 3 to 5 percentage points above where we were on prior falls because of the new norms. So if you I mean if you want to be really ambitious
I I think we're already going to be at 57% just based on the norms. So >> um so I mean I we could also move at you know either recommendation uh we can move maybe that up 1%. We could even
just add a note straight into the document. So we're acknowledging the fact that we are um this goal is is limited by the fact that we >> and again to repeat this is year one of five. Okay. So I'm just we're not going to pat ourselves in the back when we get to 57.
>> Right? So, this just one year of five and I'm fine with us already being at 57. Build momentum, get everyone pumped for CKLA. Um, I I would be totally fine and I would be proud to back it up. So, I I
that's I don't have an issue with that based on what I'm hearing with likelihood it being in the favor. I don't like passing a goal that like yay at the same time is uh I think it does at least keep the eye on the prize of
what it is and um even if it is a gimme at the end. Maybe it isn't. We don't know. So >> John, what's your opinion? >> Go for what you want. >> You know, I told Scott it was comfortable with whatever. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's what everyone tells
me. It's great. So, um, but no, I I'm okay to I am okay to leave it in. Again, I I do struggle with the point, but I think we're all on the same page on it. >> Yeah. As long as we acknowledge the fact that it may have to be revised and maybe upwards, >> right? Same with our 2030 vision, right?
I mean, none of this is set in stone. I think it's it's a it's a again it's a vision and um but I guess it's something us something I think to help John with as we look to move the needle on outcomes. So
um if we move that one in leaving it as is um noting the fact that uh adding a note to the goal seven currently goal seven which would suggest
um you know subject to acknowledging that there could be a revision to norms in that process >> to possible revision >> but I like I like two. I mean, three is kind of out
outputs based, but I'm fine with it. I love four is great. I love, you know, adding five new partners for TCI competency based real work experiences, that's awesome. And then the aspiring leadership academy, that's great, too. And and if there's a ways to move the needle on an innovation as we look to do
something different with our staff, I like that. I like that we have a goal with um innovation. Yeah, I do too. >> And I thought both of them are innovation based. >> And it doesn't mean we're not doing those things, you know, even if it's not listed here. I mean, our Teach for America program, we're expanding,
>> you know, I mean, that's very innovative. I mean, it's very >> This is one of the metrics that we set for ourselves. Um, oh, Scott's typing over my >> I somehow >> somebody's got my computer here. I am
the other stuff. >> I just I just acknowledge >> but uh um you know to innovate from you know so the 2030 goal is 80% of our staff feel like they have opportunities to innovate which is I great and we we measure that through our district our
annual climate survey. So, we started at 72 and I propose a three-point increase uh in 2026 for our professionals to have opportunities to innovate.
And I yeah, I'm okay. I I feel like um I'm okay with either four or five. I do not believe we need uh both that and number five. I guess I'd like to have one around teaching at least one. >> You got two. >> Oh, >> what outcome? You got litery and
>> the academy. So doing the academy. Yeah, I say do the academy and that's just something we'll do. >> Yeah. >> Then we can measure success or outcomes by the climate survey. The staff >> that's why I was trying to figure out if that was actually still a measurable to
goal number five. It's not quite um but I would I would either merge five and and your three into one or >> I'll defer to you guy. I'm happy with the math and reading to be honest. So >> yeah, I I would prefer to I I get your
point too, but I feel like it's goal five is workable and if we did that then it >> Yeah, I think three and five are symbiotic. >> Yeah. Um so with that the the goal is
now that would leave us with seven which is a little high. >> That's a lot. >> Um that is I would really like that to be down to five which comes back down to the okay. I mean six is a lot too. >> Goal one is not a goal. I mean it's just
John's number one. Get rid of that. >> Um keep two. Keep leap. >> I really like number I said I really do like number two. Keep the leap. Keep four. And now we're down to five.
>> Uh John, any opinions on on goal number one? Is that something you feel? >> We're going to do all the work anyway. >> That's right. >> Yeah. >> Of all of it. >> I know, >> right? Right. >> It's just which ones you guys want to highlight. >> All right.
So, we'll take out I do I'm fine to take out one. Is there any other proposals for which other one to go through? >> Three. We're going to be doing the PBIS. >> Three was my my inclination to strike the three.
Any other anyone else feel anything else other than number three? Um, okay. Three. Can we strike three? >> Yeah, we can. >> We can get rid of three. >> All right. So, we're I can't get back >> again. Not that we're not doing these things, >> correct? Uh, yep. So, we're uh we rework
this, but it would be um Thank you, whoever's uh striking out. So, we can renumber these goals um and tidy up this document, but I think we still have a a point where we can approve the goals is is we we tidy up the presentation later
>> if that has worked with everyone >> works for me. Apparently, somebody else is working for me too. >> I think Tammy is taking care of my >> I think Tammy. Yep, it is. Um so, yeah. So, with that, I think uh we got enough.
We're we're all in uh understanding even though the document isn't quite ready that we can uh move uh those goals um as amended. If I have a motion >> anyway comfortable with these since
they're your goals >> speak up now or forever hold your peace. four seemed more appropriate to me if you're going to really focus on something, but I can live with the five to be >> Well, I mean, so if it was to be four, which one would be removed? I guess
that's the question >> would probably be either the leap or the leadership, but the leap one is one that is intricately we focused a lot on. >> Yeah. You know, >> I think that one needs the being there because it also people forget about the
interrelated >> but I had a hard time you know we we recognize that you know our administrative groups getting you know more seasoned and we you know the the you know and so many of the administrators that are in place now had gone through a district program and we
haven't had that >> and so that's something we've talked about is from a succession planning standpoint you have to build a staple and so from a leadership standpoint that that the you know we felt that it was really strong need so >> and I would like to leave I think the
only one I mean I guess the only two >> I could live without core only because I don't it's really hard to quantify it >> I mean I it's important don't get me wrong I mean you and I obviously agree on that but whether we're going to hold
you accountable for those partnerships you're doing that anyways >> I'm fine Okay. Again, I'm fine to strike for as well if >> I just, you know, with workforce and like I'm presenting to the manufacturers association in the next few days, you
know, and and uh you know, the business community that's asking on that like you know, like that's that's a hard one, you know, I'm pushing them >> and so it's would be a little helpful for me to say the board's given me his goals. I need you guys to >> and it comes and it does come back to the same thing of even literacy.
completely different outcome obviously, but this is a big part of uh strategic plan as >> well and I'll see like again I think we're getting in the like we do have a goal around work experience and postsecary um experience right so we do
have that under goal four of our 2030 vision so that doesn't mean because John isn't a focus on 2026 and year one and I believe we've already met the 75% too with our postsecary experience so that might be a question for us like we might need to bump pump that up. So, we've already I think we've already met that,
right? Yeah. So, >> so if we're trying to get this down to an artificial number of four, that's my only point was he's doing that anyways and doing it successfully. >> Yeah, I'm I'm fine with that. And and because again, we've already met the 75%
and I think we're going to have to increase that. >> What did you see on the 75? >> This is the post secondary readiness from the >> You're talking in the in the strategic plan. But I it's good I think to see it as a whole and not get too um but uh
anyways. Yeah. >> So um I I guess I'm okay to leave it and have the five. I would defer to you guys because uh I feel like it is important to leave in there but I would also give you guys and John I do not feel strongly about it. >> I also like four. >> I don't think it's critical four versus
five. And if John feels like gives us some leverage then let's leave it in. Fine. >> Yep. Um, all right. So, we'll leave it at the five with that uh uh everything adjusted
with. So, we added the the two, removed the one and didn't add the other one. So, I think removed one and three. >> Yep. So, um with those changes, you decided
to make a motion. I don't know if you got all the way through. >> John, you're okay with these now? >> Uh, I move that the board of education adopt this 2026 superintendent performance goals as presented.
>> Okay. >> Or was amended. >> Well, yeah, I was going to say it wasn't present. Technically, there was it wasn't presented period. It was kind of a thing. So, maybe withdraw and say it as amended >> as discussed. discussed discussed discussed >> move the board of education
>> Can you withdraw sorry your previous >> I'm going to withdraw my previous motion and make another one that I will move that the board of education approve the 2026 superintendent performance goals as discussed >> here we go >> yep second
>> second any other discussion um Tammy please go to work >> trustee Schmidt >> yes >> trusty Hardy >> hi >> trusty Beris Yes. >> And trusty Newman bail. >> Yes. Motion carries. Thank you. And uh I said I know this will get easier and easier now we're in this process and uh
we're not in continually transitioning. So um and then next discussion item board office hour rebranding by Dr. Mena. >> Okay. So we've uh taken a trying a critical approach. We're not, you know,
scheduled out for the whole year yet, but we have, uh, a few months here, um, where we've tried to team it up with different events that we have going on, um, based on, you know, the discussion we had. And so, the question is just whether you guys are comfortable. We're
going to continue to try and work with a couple of the PTO, see if we can fit in here and a couple, you know, fill those months in, but we've at least got the next few taken care of from that standpoint. So, >> I think we're going to have to try. It's going to be some trial and error. >> Yep. >> But
I have a sneaky suspicion that teacher conference times are so short and narrow and the parents are so focused that we may not get people to talk to us, but it's all worth a try. >> And we put them in a little early. So,
you know, I think uh you know, we just figured there people in buildings already. There's you know, we're not anybody alone. You know, we're just we we tried to team it up from that standpoint. can go back to the, you know, the drawing board if you want, but at this point, this is um, you know,
this is what our brainstorm came up with. >> I think at least there'd be someone to talk to. >> I'll be able to find someone, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And we will, um, when we communicate out about those events, we'll add in there that we have board member available for open office hours so that we're trying
to make that transparent to parents like, yep, go to parent teacher conferences and we'll have a schoolboard member available to answer questions. >> Okay, let's see how it works. Y >> at least we're going to them. >> Exactly. And and leveraging our our buildings
get in a building and people saying >> and the cute stuff. And I think it I think it's a really positive mood. My my only request is maybe to get rid of the word board office hours, but I'll leave that to our creative team. >> We're calling them TCAPS board of education parent community connection nights. >> Connection nights.
>> That's what's on the memo. >> I love it. Get rid of the first five words. Call them connection nights. And uh it seems great >> and I would add that yeah if we can have I mean a lot of it's going to be a lot of it just being available people feel better about it. So like if we can have
>> Lisa signage or wherever it is so it's obvious like me randomly sitting there like hey everyone we'll have you sign >> who are you? >> So do we want it to be community connection nights? >> I mean I'm just teasing. I'm just me. That's me. I don't need to I'm not deciding. I I do like that connection
nights though. I do like the connection. >> Um, however you want to word it to make it branding wise is fine with me, but I I think you'll give you a sign if you don't >> let us know and you can rethink it. >> Connection night connection is uh the key part.
>> We just wanted to make sure that it's recognized like some people might not realize or think that oh this is just for parents. So parents and community we thought that's a little bit the weird thing is you could have community members that are not part of the event come in to do but But at least again,
it's there's people around, you know, and it's not just a board member. >> Very positive. It might be weird, but it also inviting community members into buildings and seeing it. Um, >> I'm highly confident it's going to be an improvement on what we were doing.
>> I move the board of education approves the rebranding of board office hours to community connections >> as discussed. >> Nicely done. >> I'll second that. >> Second. Okay. Um, any other discussion? And Tammy, please conduct a roll order.
>> Um, Trusty Schmidt, >> yes. >> Trusty Veraris, >> yes. >> Trusty Hardy, >> hi. >> Trusty Newman Bale. >> Yes. Motion carries. >> Scott, did you want to talk about report outs that you asked me to remind you? We talked about it at exec committee. >> Oh, yeah. What did I remember
on there? Well, on the report out, which I can't even remember which part we had. just a a recommendation that um possibly because the board reports out what community members coming and what they say it might preclude some from coming to have a discussion. >> Yeah, I do apologize. I'm sorry,
Christine. Yes. Um, and I think it was a really good comment too that I think we all agree with the executive committee which is when we do when we do report outs for these events. We should probably speak generally in general terms rather than specific or
because it is it's not meant to be a reporting of what everyone said. It's meant to be a safe space to share feedback and um I would Yes. So, I think that is what I was going to give going forward on report outs, but if uh >> do we want to
you probably need a way for other board members to know maybe. So, do you want to have each board member ask when you're there to just do some somewhat of a summary and get it to Tammy so she can share it out with the board? >> Yep. I think Yeah. And and it's part of it is like I think I think we should
include potentially a report out in the board meeting, but it should just be very general of like we had a great attendance. >> Yeah. And that's my point. So, but a little bit more, you know, for the board at least to have something of, oh, this is to colleagues. >> Yeah. >> Back and forth, you know, just of a here's a could be a paragraph. Hey, this
is what I had, you know, just want to let everybody know, you know, >> this is and this was a thought that somebody had just so that it's the board knows it. But again, you know, and you can just whoever is doing it afterwards, type a little thing up, send it to Tammy and she'll share it with the rest of the
board. >> That sounds good. >> You know, what you mean is I I guess >> people using names. >> We have had some board members use actually specific names. >> I understand. >> And then even then there's some topics that are just like private that you got
we've got to balance like >> could be about my student, you know, and that kind of you know. I mean, yeah, saying names probably not a good idea. >> Gotcha. And so, and it and it hasn't been every board member hasn't been consistent. It's just happened a few times. >> Maybe something for a new board operating procedure.
>> Well, okay. That's perfect because I was going to go into um Well, I still just so I don't uh get out of whack at all in here. I'll keep it in my closing remarks. So, um yes, I was going to So, thank you for that part. Is there any
other discussion on that area? >> Um any public comment number two? Public comment. >> Um and so moving into board president closing remarks. So on that note, um on organizational documentation, what the
way I'm approaching this for board members knowledge is is um I believe Trusty Ballinger sent a couple of other districts uh manuals using merging those two to take the best out of those updating policy and trying to get everything that we do
um that has basically been either chair discretion, president's discretion or board just how we've done things that aren't specifically in policy and we're going to try and document and fill out as much as that and using the guidelines. I feel like a lot of that rests with Tammy and myself already that
I can I don't think we need ad hoc. I don't think we need discussion because I think what I would do is I'll put down how we're doing it and then you guys can say read it and say I didn't know you did it this way. I don't want you to do it that way and that's fine. Um and then I would imagine that that would be a document that probably would
be reviewed obviously continuously but proved every uh every organizational meeting. So that's how I was going to do it. Um we've already taken a lot of notes about things that should be included but it looks like the two thankfully having some examples it does
make it a lot easier. Um, and my so my goal is to have this done in draft form in October, which is a little ways out, but there's a lot of work in there. Um, there's a lot to get done.
>> And I'll just offer help if you need help. >> I actually do intend to get a lots of help from people to chunk things out. >> So, please ask. >> Yeah. So um because I do I greatly do uh believe in the project especially for sustainability and there's a lot of
things we've done that quite frankly it can just be changed at a women that's totally fine but at least if we have a writing down at least then we can acknowledge change because it it could be different. So um yeah >> okay sounds good.
>> Um so that is the uh last item. So uh with that, do I have a motion to adjurnn the meeting? >> I move to adjourn the meeting. >> Second. >> All right. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> All right. All those post say nay.
Meeting adjourned.