[Music] Good afternoon. >> Good afternoon and welcome to the commission workshop for November 4th, 2025. I'd like to call this meeting to order. >> John, >> I'm sorry. It's on.
Yeah. Yeah, you weren't talking. >> Oh, okay. I was looking down. I'm sorry. >> Uh, now if we could please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We're going to have a very busy evening tonight. Um, so if anybody wants to speak, you need to make sure you fill out a card and have that uh given to the
city clerk uh by 6:15. And we're also going to make one change, if I can get uh agreement from the uh the commissioners, uh instead of three minutes, we're going to go down to two minutes. uh this is a uh it's just a
workshop so it's really for us to have the opportunity to talk uh so uh this will be coming up in further or in meetings uh uh in the near future as well to talk about so um so let's go ahead and uh can
I get the agreement on two minutes for the uh the public comment >> that's fine with me >> fine >> okay so please if you'll change that to two minutes. All right. The first item that we have
tonight is the commission uh authority give commission authority for dynamic parking pricing. Um I thought we beat this one pretty hard at the last meeting, but uh what do you have any documentation or any
attachments or anything to go with this? No, it was just a discussion to bring up and give authority to Charles to work dynamic pricing based on his what he sees based on demand.
>> Okay. Kind of strange. Uh >> oh, it's all strange. >> Yeah. Trying to make money is very strange. >> Yeah. >> Uh what are people's thoughts on uh on taking this one on? Did we ever get any kind of a um forgive me because I I
can't remember. Didn't we do like a test type thing um for that and the results came back? >> We did, but I I don't think they were conclusive. Correct. >> They weren't. I mean, the the timing um
the thought was great, the timing wasn't great. Um, so I I think even raising the prices for, and I'm talking off the top of my head, I didn't know that was part of this discussion was less in the one month we tried at the 30 days in 2025
than it was during the 30 days in 2024. So I that that's not good data to uh use for anything is my position. It is my understanding that uh we have that uh app with the QR code and we could raise
it after a certain point on Fridays and have it, you know, increased for Saturday and special events on Sunday. Uh such as the event that we have it on the beach every Sunday. So, uh and we just see how busy it gets, you know, and
if it doesn't work, we don't do it. What I would say is if we had like one of Ardan's spreadsheets that >> I mean some sort of analysis that says if we do this and started on you know X date and we do it for six months it's
going to generate this much more revenue and it's we're going to have this much less sparking but it's still going to but we have zero data that I'm aware of. >> We do have zero data >> just parking and so I don't know what I don't know what to look at. Yeah. And
there no materials. Uh what I would like to do is just um move on. Um it'll take three of us to uh to basically say let's go ahead and move on. But uh the dynamic parking pricing um we kind of beat that
one to death and whether five 550 what was going to do and we we came up with something. And also we have a a a document that is a fee document and that's where it would need to be is in that fee document. >> Right.
>> Well, what I was thinking with dynamic pricing is, you know, where it's not busy, say on a Tuesday, such as today it's not busy, we keep it at four, but on the weekend we bump it up to the high number on the on the document that we have like the 550. So, we do dynamic
pricing on the weekends to make money. We don't do full price on on Tuesdays, you know, when it's slow on the beach, but we do full pricing on the weekends. >> Well, we do have it as full pricing on weekends. It's 550 on the weekends and it's $5 every other day. >> And what about Fourth of July landing on
a Tuesday? >> Well, there's, as you know, as I do, there is a uh an disclaimer there that basically says all of the special events will be $30. So, we we have our fee in that as well,
>> right? up to 50. >> I I would just like to add we just uh voted at our last meeting to go from four to $5 an hour. That's a 25% increase. So that pretty much captured any flexibility uh for dynamic pricing, I would think. But uh when Arthur
suggests, and by the way, I voted against that increase. Uh, but when Arthur suggests that uh that we uh we keep it at $4 an hour and use the $5 an hour as some uh uh dynamic pricing, then
then then I would be certainly more open to that. But I'd hate to add dynamic pricing, layer it onto what we just did, and that's what raise the parking rates 25%. >> Right. I don't want to layer on top. I just want to have the city manager have
the authorization to figure it out to make the most money. That's the point of raising the fees. That's the point of dynamic pricing. So, >> right. Okay. Got it. >> Are we good to move on? >> Yeah, let's move on. >> Okay. Because we've got a lot of folks
that are waiting for us. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we're uh going to move to C2, the future of Treasure Bay discussion. And this was uh asked to be on the agenda for our vice mayor Tammy Vasquez.
>> Thank you. And Kathy, I you kind of wanted to give us an update of where we're at right now. >> Can you hear me with this? All right. Yes. I wanted to give an update of what we've done so far and where we are with the projects that we've been doing the last few months. Um, let me make sure I
know what I'm doing here. So, oh well, I'm going to go a little backwards. So, part of our um projects with the grants we've gotten with the land water conservation fund that we received for the walking trail. You can see that we've installed the new walking trail.
We've also installed the exercise equipment that was required to be placed somewhere along the trail. And we will be installing the uh two 10x10 gazeos in the near future. once the um plantings for the living shoreline are completed.
So, you'll see that we have the ADA um kayak launch and we're hoping to open that in December. What we're looking to do is provide kayak rentals and storage rentals for persons who want to um have
easy access to the water and easy access to their rental or their kayak. So, hopefully we can get some of those there. We're going to reach out to the gentleman who does both Golf Right Park and used to do the beach pavilion for the rentals um to extend his contract.
The living shoreline project is slated to be um done by mid to late November. Um with that, we've added obviously the living shoreline, some um fountains for the ponds. We also have a boardwalk that will have educational signage along it
um kind of depicting what the different landscape is that we have there and different wildlife that you'll see. The USA Florida Foundation provided us with a hurricane relief for the damage we received to our tennis courts. Um we
have 281 thou up to 281,650. We have just almost this week completed our installation of all new fencing on courts one through six, seven, eight, and the basketball court. And starting tomorrow, we'll be resurfacing the
courts. Um, one of the things we're running into is issues with our lights. Um, they're shorting out. We're having some problems, which we felt we would due to the flooding and where our fuses and power boxes are. So, we are working with um FEMA to hopefully get some
mitigation funds to replace the wiring and the fuse boxes for our tennis courts. So, with that said, we now have been asked if there's um any plans for what the next steps are, what the future of Treasure Bay will be. We do have a lot
of damage from the living shoreline. We will be having to fix a lot of irrigation. We shut off all the irrigation to the um property other than the tennis courts because it kept breaking. And so we're going to have to once they move out, we're going to have to get a lot of that concrete up. They're supposed to be tilling and
either resolding or um laying new sod, but we're going to have to fix the irrigation that we have that may be damaged. Um, one of the other things is public works has obtained quotes to do the maintenance building roof replacement as well as repair the
clubhouse so we can um have indoor plumbing and office space um in hopefully the near future. So with that said, I have a slide that Commissioner Vasquez has shared and she can go from here and I'm here to answer any questions as well as Gary.
>> Can I before you start, can I ask a question about the living seaw wall? Yes. >> Like is that progressing along like at at the way it was supposed to as far as the timeline and stuff? >> It is. I can tell you that the estimated completion date was September, but then
we had some issues with that section of Seaw Wall and they had to wait for the permitting. So once they got the permitting, they've progressed with it. So we're probably about two months behind >> because I I was just curious. I mean, I' I've I've made no bones about the fact
I'm not a big living seaw wall fan, which probably isn't popular. Or maybe it is. I don't know. But I drove by there on the boat the other day and they had erected erected a brand new seaw wall behind behind there, like a huge section of it, like serrated like the exact same one I have behind my house.
And then they then they're dumping rocks on top of this seaw wall. Like it still seems like it would have been cheaper just to put a regular seaw wall in there, but I I I don't know. So, was there problems with it? Is that why they had to like >> And I don't know where Gary is. I'll try
to give you my technical. Yes, we needed to replace our seaw wall. We had big holes. >> No, I get that. But I mean, were there problems with the construction that they had to build a brand new section of seaw wall and then dump rocks on top of it? >> Yeah, it collapsed. >> It collapsed. >> Some of some of my understanding is is on >> I know it's hard.
>> Um Gary Volen, director of public works. Um my understanding is from the project that the the seaw wall uh needed repair or replacement and some areas had seaggrasses that couldn't be impacted.
Other areas um uh were were a lot less uh open bottom and and they used the rock in those areas where there was seaggrass. They had to do the vertical wall. So there is a section where it's just a vertical wall and they some some areas they they faced it with the rock
some areas it was a little bit of variability to give habitat and and it's an environmental thing. I'm not necessarily u knowledgeable about the the design why they they chose this particular method but that was what was bid and the project it other than the
fact that that portion did collapse uh a couple of months ago and we had to get that permitted the con the uh consultant got that portion of the work repered to address that we were going to add rock in front which was never part
of the plan um that is being they did that at no cost because they realized there was a issue with some of the design. Um the rock itself is being uh addressed through the contingency which is part of the the approved contract that you all have have uh authorized. So
uh the projects it is delayed because of that extra rip wrap but I think that you've been told November mid November >> mid November to end >> very shortly we should be wrapping it up but >> oh so maybe that section of seaw wall is going to stay like that. You're saying some of it there is a portion I believe that just gets it's just going to be a
vertical phase. >> Oh, okay. >> The All right. Thank you. >> I went out there Friday and took a look at it in the southern part of of the Treasure Bay uh where they have the seaw wall where you saw the construction. I talked to them. They said they were only they weren't replacing the whole seaw wall. They were just putting a new seaw
wall cap on that and they thought they were going to be finished with that uh in the next week or two. That's on the south side of Treasure Bay. >> All right. Thank you, Gary. >> You're welcome. >> All right, so the slide up here um I
wanted to have it made so it wasn't just words so you actually could see because um you know unfortunately rumors start flying around about different things. And so I wanted you um you know about what I wanted and my thoughts on it. Um,
so I had it done like this. So, you know, hopefully, you know, even the city possibly could put it out so that, you know, maybe you could save it, look at it, think about it, um, give feedback on it. Um, but I'll go through them line by line. So, um, Treasure Bay is 17 plus
acres. Um, and it is one of Treasure, well, I dare say Treasure Island's most beautiful piece of property. And it is uh it's definitely even before the hurricane was not in the best of shape
and I think we all could agree on that. And then after the hurricane we all know what happened um to all of our properties. But looking at it, you know, in the last decade, the average age of Treasure Island has dropped um
significantly. We've had a lot of families move in our community and post hurricane we've had even more families buying. Um I know in Isa Capri alone in my district we have
lots of families of young from very little you know young kids through teenagers. We have lots of families. Um, and then we definitely have, you know, our older population, which I'm quickly whoop quickly becoming part of
>> and I have to get this in. I'm no longer on baby watch. I am officially a grandma. So, um, we went up last week and saw them. But anyway, um having a multi-generational activity center in this amazing piece of property
that is accessible for all residents and has activities for all residents um and visitors alike, but more about the residents because this is this is our little piece of paradise out here. And I just I think that is such an amazing use
for it. Um, and some of the things that I had thought of were, you know, a clubhouse featuring, you know, possibly a restaurant and bar, um, tennis and pickle ball courts. There's plenty of room. And there, um, unlike on Capri, we
could potentially even do like a competition type pickle ball court. Um, because we're starting with nothing, so it would really, um, there's plenty of room for it. Um, and then some type of a golf feature. Now, I know a lot of
people are afraid, especially, and I get it, the town homes that run along the backside there. I 100% understand the concerns. So, um, those who aren't familiar with Popstroke, um, definitely try to look it
up. But it's just a smaller, more fun um I don't want to say like Top Golf because a lot of people know that, but I guess you could say in that family, but some type of a golf feature, preferably along there so that you still have the
protection of having more of a quieter type um activity in that area. Um a band shell out toward the end. Um, and when I say bandshell, almost like a park setting. Um, obviously I I don't
know how many of you have been to Rock Park. Um, they have a band shell, which is basically a stage with a a cover. Um, so you can do small venue type concerts with local bands. Um, I will tell you
it's also very popular for even big artists to do a very small venue like this could possibly be um to kick off concerts. Um, so you know the potential for that is there. But also not just that, you can have farmers markets and
holiday markets and possibly even host you know again like Rock Park um this weekend they have um King of the Beach. you know, it is um just a great general activity area um where the band shell would be. Um we already have the walking
trail um that is I think you said almost done or is done. So, we have the walking trail and then we have a boardwalk. And along that boardwalk, we'll have the educational signage that was required by the grant, >> which is wonderful. And we could even go a step further with that um possibly
working with Tampa Bay Watch um to have some type of an educational focus um about the living seaw wall and about all of that um about, you know, native plants, doing a native plant type planting um all around there. And
there's lots of grants available for that uh as well if you work with someone like an Eard College or Tampa Bay Watch or something like that. Um some of you have been I'm sure to the pier and you've seen the Tampa Bay Watch educational thing that's kind of in the middle of the pier. Not saying to that
size, but something you know something like that in a smaller scale would be amazing. Um picnic pavilions, which I know we're already in the process of doing. Um, and then a children's area. Now, we do have a small children's area
right now, but if we expanded the children's area, add a splash pad. Um, there's also, and I don't know how many of you have seen them. Um, the like treasure mining, um, you can go, I know there's a zoo in South Carolina that has
it. There's a place in Ohio. They're all over um, a lot of cities. And basically it's a very small land portion type thing. And I I regret I didn't do a picture up there. I should have. But basically, it's a a wood structure. It's
not expensive to build, but you buy inexpensive things. For Treasure Island, we could focus on doing like little gold coins or shells or just little treasures. And the kids go through, you know, for however much you end up charging, whether it's $10 or whatever,
they get their little screening thing. and they get to basically look for treasure. Um, one of the reasons when I was doing the research on all of that that I brought that up, one, it draws families like crazy and it is it makes a
lot of money for the cities. Um, because it's a very low entry point and it brings a lot of money in and it takes one person to run it. So, um, and actually we have someone, um, in the city that I was able to consult with,
uh, or I should, I apologize, that lives in the city, um, who actually built and ran the one in the South Carolina zoo. And so I was able to talk to him about that and the, you know, just the amount of people that it drew was amazing. So
just expanding the children's area, you know, so that it is welcoming to families and just making it literally a place where everybody in the community, there's something for them to go do. Whether it's tennis or pickle ball or go
to a concert or go to a farmers market or just walk the trail every day, we have the exercise equipment out there. you know, even if we wanted to expand on that, we could expand on that to really make it a place where the entire city
could enjoy it. And that is definitely something that I think would benefit the community and it definitely would bring I I feel it would give the community more of a community feel. We don't have a place like that. We don't have a place
where everybody can gather. There may be people that show up at a concert that didn't know we do tennis lessons. I see our tennis pro back there, you know, and they're like, "Oh my gosh, you know, I'd like to sign up for that." So, it just opens the door to really bring the
community together and I think make an even more beautiful area than it's ever been and a more useful area. And I do know everybody would be concerned about parking and that has been taken into consideration. um when I've a friend of
mine who is um he's actually done these type things um he lives in North Florida and there's enough property to bring around to the side we can definitely expand the parking there's no question about it um but also a lot of the people
a lot around the side >> around the side again I'm not an architect >> however >> please don't be just yelling out from the crowd. You'll have some time at the end of this to uh to make your comments known.
>> Thank you. And we have to remember this is mostly neighborhood people that are coming. >> So, it's people are going to walk there, ride their bikes there, take their golf carts there. And yes, there absolutely will be some that will bring their cars.
When you do a concert, just like 90% of every other thing that we do, including standing ovations, they can park elsewhere and we bus them in. We have a brand new school bus that we can bus them in. Or if it's a, you know, we need
help, we we can get that. There's deals that can be made in parking lots all over the place. It happens all the time. King of the Beach this weekend in Madera Beach, they bust them in from Madera Beach uh middle school. So there's always ways to work around those issues
for bigger events. It's more about just making sure there's room for the everyday the people coming to use the tennis courts which you know we we have that now even if we didn't expand it um for just everyday use. So, the parking
can definitely be um handled for events and such just like it is in every other venue. Um and it's off off parking and then you bring people in. Um and then a lot of people
use Uber and Lyft and things like that for those events as well. So, I will leave that there. That is just my kind of vision for it and I would love to hear what everybody else thinks. I think we're not as far apart as it uh
seems. >> Thank you. I I don't think we're as far apart as it uh as it might seem. I was writing down and comparing uh your uh features uh for a multi-use facility compared to what either we already have
or could have. and and we already have the tennis courts, the pickle ball courts, the playground, the kayak launch, the walking trail, uh picnic pavilions, uh shuffle boards, uh there's a volleyball or uh volleyball uh court
there as well. Uh so I I or was at one point in time. So anyway, I think that really the big difference was that you added was the pop stroke, something similar to that, the band shell and the restaurant and bar versus a golf course. So, so when we compare uses, it's
really, you know, we can the things that we have in common, we have in common, which means what what your vision is versus what we have there now or likely to have. Uh really it comes down to what do you do with the golf course part of it. And I think we're going to hear from a lot of people here very shortly uh
that, you know, many of our residents want that golf course. It's part of our heritage. uh it's our identity and and uh it it's it's open to the public. So uh I you know my preference at this stage unless unless uh there's an
overwhelming uh support otherwise from uh from the residents I think rebuilding the golf course is the uh along with these other features is the best way to go. Well, I've received a lot of emails in support
and against and and so on, but I'd like to hold judgment for now until I see a master plan for Treasure Bay that's fiscally responsible. So, but I do have couple questions for Kathy. Um the uh rehabbing of the bathrooms and the small
small office space uh in the clubhouse. Um, is there a current estimated schedule and cost for that? >> So, Gary's received three quotes. Um, and he can answer to that probably a little bit more than I can. Um, to redo basically not, you know, the flooring,
the restroom facilities, the doors, um, are not working since the flood, the windows, um, and just not returning like the counter space and all that back into the building. Um, I don't know. Is Gary in here?
I don't know what all three of his quotes were, but we have that and we don't have a definite insurance amount yet. We're working with insurance on the clubhouse. We do have some insurance monies that you've seen in the in the
funding section of this. So, we're hoping everything to get along with the beach pavilion and get this done by summer um or the next few months hopefully so we can get away from the portallettes and get people indoors for the restrooms. >> I received a lot of emails for the
>> for the portal portallettes. >> Um and then of course, will public works be managing uh construction or who's going >> will be overseeing the roof project, public works well and the clubhouse project. >> Fantastic. Thank you.
Um, real quick on a comment, Ardan. Um, and this is something honestly I just thought about when you were talking. So, we have the walking path around the entire perimeter. We're going to have picnic pavilions. The liability of having flying golf
balls when people are using exercise equipment >> and pavilions and walking on the path. That is that's very concerning. Yeah, >> quite frank. And that's as it stands right now. That's without adding
anything else. Just with the perimeter walking path >> and p picnic pavilions that could prove to be a very big issue in my opinion. >> I just want to make it clear that the last commission that was in place voted for this. I'm not sure if it was
unanimous, but I don't I I was on the podium sp speaking against it because it'd be it'd be doomed. But, uh, yeah, it's the last commission that voted, not the three new members up here. >> The, uh, the last commission voted for what?
>> Uh, the living short, the approval of the living shoreline. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um, 17 acres. Uh, beautiful piece of property. You You won't find a better piece of property in in Penllis County.
Um, I support green space and uh and that that's truly what I think needs to be here. There are things that we can do. Um, she's got pop golf up there. There's a couple of other
less frequently used names for for uh basically a chip and a putt and and everything else. Um, but something like a uh pop stroke uh takes two acres. So, it's basically 18 small holes and but uh
it's 2 acres and which leaves then six acres cuz they didn't if a golf course was designed it was about 8 8 and 1/2 acres. Um I think that that there's not that much land left available. I think that it with the way that the everything
turned out, it's a little bit less than the 8 acres. Um, but I think that uh uh I I did a study on 23 and 24. So I go back to on this issue since uh 2021
and um and the the biggest thing is that there isn't as much activity as people would like to think there is. um both in two uh 2023 and 2024. Um it hit the peak in 2024
and uh and that was 39. If I just take how many people paid for for golf and go divided by 365 the number was 39 people per day. Now I understand that some people rainy days you're not going to be out there but
still 39 people per day doing it with simple math. Um, I think that what we need to do is be able to use it much better uh with a green space. Uh, I'm I'm not really in favor of looking for a
golf course to go back in, but I'm also not looking to to basically fill it with parking and with um playgrounds and everything else. I mean, I think that uh the green space is is fantastic when you go walking around there. I don't know.
You folks know better than I do. You know, you see the dolphin, you see everything and it it truly is a great place. And if you go and you've walked around the edge, um, and it's going to be a little bit hard to do with the rip wrap and that,
but that's why we're going to have something that looks over the water. Um, there are little seahorses. Um, there is living coral. There are the grasses. Um, I mean there there is the living shoreline is an environmental
type way of doing things and uh and also though it it gives people the opportunity to to you know one-on-one walking down you know seeing dolphins seeing all the different uh animals and everything that uh that are there. So uh
like I said I I would be interested in looking at the popstroke kind of concept. Um, I think that uh for a lot of this it's good, but I'm I'm more of a green space type guy. Uh, and let the families enjoy it. And I'll guarantee you you will have more than 39 people
per day out on that facility. >> Okay. Let let me address uh Vice Mayor Vasquez's uh uh comments earlier. uh when I first got involved with the commission that and I had heard about a walking trail on a golf course. I I I my
initial reaction was the same as yours. Uh is is that seemed like they were not very compatible. Uh but I have to share this story with with you. Last year I was in Scotland, I guess the home of where golf was uh invented or created or
or whatever. and I went golfing on a golf course in Scotland and it was just outside of Dub uh not Dublin but uh whatever the capital of Scotland is slipping >> Edinburgh >> Edinburgh thank you yeah anyway it uh what was interesting on this golf course
was beautiful kind of along a hill hill pretty rough hills uh but there were joggers there were people walking their dogs there were people on horseback all over this golf course and they they learned how to get along with each other if I was getting ready to tee off on
this golf course and I saw somebody coming by on a horseback, I would wait or they would wait for me. But it was a it was it it it just seemed to work out. So they they either waited for me to hit or or they went and I waited for them to get out of the way. So uh after I came
back from that experience, I said, "Okay, I kind of see where this uh where this can can be compatible." You have to use good judgment both the people uh there walking or or on the trail as well as the golfers themselves. Uh you have to use good judgment there. And I assume
the the picnic pavilions would not be on the golf course part itself. It would be uh closer to where the tennis courts are now. Anyway, I just wanted to add that >> I would love to think that we could work together, that people would work together like that, but I'm sure in
Scotland they've been doing that for hundreds of of years. >> They had It was my first time, but which is inc. It sounds incredible. I'm sure >> I picked up on the rules pretty quickly and you just uh >> and that makes sense, but in a small city I it's just the liability is worrisome for sure.
>> Exactly. Um, mic thing on. So, yeah, last time we had a uh talk about Treasure Bay, I brought like a whole kind of slideshow that was pretty similar to this. Um, but
I think I think there's a couple different things I I do agree on. It'd be nice to have a place where the entire town could gather. Um, you know, right now I think we have our Christmas party and our other stuff like out on the street in front of the city hall, right?
And the other thing I want to say, I mean, I'm hoping that when you said band shell, you're not talking about like have an Aerosmith there, right? I mean, we're you're talking about like um you're talking about if we have a Christmas party, maybe there's a local band that
>> right similar to Rock Park >> that plays for three hours. So, I just don't want people to think that, you know, you're having some sort of giant concert. And I'd love to see like more um you know, more pickle ball courts. That's super popular, which I think
there'd be room for a couple more sand volleyball courts. Um and again, make it a place where the the whole town can gather. And I and I don't think again, even if you have a even if you have a Christmas, we have our Christmas party out here in front. there's not
500 people there. I mean, I don't think you'd have I don't think you're going to be bothering folks. Um, and so I think what it really comes down to is is the whole golf thing. And I guess from my and I don't know cuz I I've lived here
six years and I just so you know, I grew up on a public golf course. My house was on the seventh T box. I started working out there when I was 14 years old. I worked there all the way through college and I would go out and hit balls every single night behind my house. So, uh I I
get the golf. I I guess for my whole question would be is there some sort of um uh what's the word I'm looking for? some sort of uh meeting in the middle of some sort of golf thing that we could still do there that
you know is acceptable a compromise where like John said maybe it doesn't take up eight acres it takes up four and we can still get to go out and hit balls and chip and putt and do this and that um and also allow it to make us the
center of you know this whole center of the community and I know there's some people that are, you know, super into the golf course. I don't blame anybody for being super into the golf course. I guess my question is the only way I see something like this kind of working is
as if we can come if we could work with the golfers and find out if there's any kind of compromise as to kind of, you know, something that could be out there that the golfers would still be happy with and that everyone else could be happy with. on my little thing that I made up last time. I thought I was going
to get to show it, but last time we talked about Treasure Bay. It just ended. I had boat docks around the whole thing. So, if there's like a little restaurant at the and bar at the clubhouse, you could boat over there, but I'm not sure you could have boats anymore there with the living seaw wall. So,
>> and that's a good question, Kathy, that I forgot to ask you. where the kayak launch is. Um that flat part along there. Okay. Just and this is going to be a big guesstimate.
Um, knowing how the kayak launch is, where the living seaw wall is, do you believe there is any room for boat docks out there potentially, or do you have any if you don't have thoughts on it? I see you shaking your head back there. Yes. >> Is that
>> you work there every day, so you know what it looks like. So, >> you know, but I don't want to I I got you. >> You can. You'll just have to extend it beyond the living shoreline, the rock. So, kind of like we did with the kayak launch. So, >> so you could do it. It would just be out
further just like that. >> And then, you know, just making sure all the seagrasses and we have the permitting and so that would be the thing. >> But is there a bunch of stuff under the water? >> There is. You'd have to do we had to do all the um reports for seagrasses and you know all that under there, coral.
So, you'd have to just make sure that was clear depending on how far out you went. >> Okay. >> So, so I mean I think from my perspective um I like almost all of I just think we need to have some sort of golf thing there. And then the question becomes, can we come to a compromise, I
guess, on what the golf thing is? Maybe we can, maybe we can't. But I, again, it's um I don't I think I've been there once to play pickle ball. I've lived here six and a half years. Um, you know, I wish there was more that that that
that I could do do over there um as far as a bunch of community things and different things, but um so anyhow, that's where I'm at. >> Great. So, we uh do have an agenda meeting coming up here in uh hopefully 20 so minutes, but uh so let's move to
public comment. Um first one I have is Kim Carellis. Krells. >> Oh, thank you. Don't touch it. Okay. Kim Cavllo, I live at 1022 Paradise Boulevard, right down the street from the Treasure Bay. I do
like the ideas that you did come up with. I have one suggestion for the golfing. Why can't you do like an intermediate putt putt golf and regular golf? Because we used to have putt putt golf here in Treasure Island
and it is gone now. I used to take my kids there when they were little and I used to go there when I was younger and it was fantastic. Everybody had a good time. If you want to go play pup puck golf now, you either have to go to Madiraa Beach or find someplace else to go to. So, I do like that idea. This
flash pad would be fantastic for the small kids. I get that. The concert thing, it's only it's not going to be like concert concerts because, you know, you got the noise from all that. So, that's the one thing
that I do have a question about is the concerts and the noise and what time it would be done. But everything else, >> that's what I said. Not Aerosmith. >> Yes, I know. But I'm just >> And maybe like four to four to seven. >> I know. I get it. I get it. I get it.
But I like the idea that when we did the Rock Around the Clock, can we do Rock Around the Clock again this year? That was great last year. That was enjoyable. Everybody had a great time. I loved getting out to go and do something. So, but to do something a little bit more with
Treasure Bay, I get it. It's a good idea. It's just, you know, the noise, parking, you know, I do get that people will ride bikes, they'll walk, whatnot, but it's just all of that. Thank you. >> Great. Thank you very much, Pat
Patterson. I'm Pat Patterson. I live on Sandy Hook Road, right about where the old number nine hole was. Okay. The idea of putting into this amphitheater at Treasure Bay and these other wonderful things that
have started here. You're recycling a rather tired old idea that was presented in 2017 at a reimagining of Treasure Treasure Bay. The results of the meeting uh where maybe a hundred people were there um showed that the concept of a
amphitheater there was at the bottom of the list of preferences and these were the way they were counted out. Um that was at the bottom of the list also was fitness equipment, the fishing pier, boardwalk and trail. They were the least desirable from the people who attended
the voters in this town. So the number one priority in 2017 was the restoration of the golf course. So I'm to assume that the staff or commission didn't really like that answer and came around to another
workshop in 2021 asking the same questions, a little more organized. It was held over here at the old city hall. The results were almost the same except in 21 2021 the interest in the pavilion was even less. It was the lowest
preference for the people who attended the reimagining of Treasure Bay, the lowest support of any amenity. That was really a race to the bottom. Kayak launch and walking trail uh kept amphitheater company in that bucket of
real rejects. And once again, um the restoration of or redesign of the golf course was the number one preference of the voters. So both in 2017 and in 2021, interested citizens participated in
meetings and expressed their will to restore the golf course. Both times, staff and commission did not choose to listen or rejected without comment the will of the voters. That's further cons confirmed by the fact that we now have a
kayak rental and launch concession, a fishing dock being built, and 20,000 square ft of concrete. >> I'm going to need to cut you off. >> Your two minutes are up. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> John, am I allowed to say something real fast? >> Um, sure.
>> Can I just want to make one comment about the amphitheater? At least the way that I'm thinking about it, like I'm thinking like I'm thinking like a concrete pad with a grass berm around it where like you put your blanket down >> and maybe listen to a local band play
some music. I I'm not talking about building an amphitheater or having seats or even having a structure. I'm basically talking about a a burm with a concrete pad at the bot. At least that was what my my thought. I mean, I'm not talking about building a huge
amphitheater. >> Thank you. Um, Amanda Deetsz. >> Thank you. My name is Mandy Deetsz. I am also on Sandy Hook Road on the Ninth Fairway or what was once the Ninth
Fairway. Um, I want to put my comments out here from a couple of perspectives. One is a resident of Paradise Island. one as a resident of Treasure Island and then one as someone who has led and facilitated public and private planning
activities and execution for about 40 years. Uh as a resident of Paradise Island uh in the village specifically I I am opposed to portions of this as you've already articulated. We have some of these that are already in place. So, the the items in particular for me are
the um the uh whatever you've called the band shell, uh the the um clubhouse for the restaurant and bar. Uh I I'll come back and talk about the golf part of it, but some golf solution. I think there's a compromise there um that is reasonable
and not overly crowded. Anyway, um I think it's um the challenges as a resident are that it puts an unmanageable traffic and parking burden in a relatively small residential community. Um if it if it's successful,
I mean, you talk about well, it's not going to be anything big, but if we want to do this, I assume you're doing this because it is a revenue generating opportunity. And if that's the case, then you are going to have the crowds and that's going to be significant ingress and egress issues, uh, damage to
residential properties because of the illegal parking. And I think that brings along with it the potential safety risks. Um, and I not crazy about all the sound, but we'll move on from there. Um, the other part of this from my perspective is sort of a process comment. Um, I've been through went out
to the website. I've seen the 20 to 25 strategic plan. Uh unfortunately there's nothing on the website that provides an update on the performance ma metrics since March 2023 or a new plan for beyond 2025. There also does not appear to be any updated information related to
a master park plan. Um and so I find no link for that. Uh so just real quickly I would expect any solution to have a verifiable costbenefit analysis and impact analysis. Um and that anything we do is in alignment with the strategic plan and a master park plan. Uh anything
short of that I think is uh derction of duty. Thank you all. >> Thank you very much. Barbara Muno. >> Hi, my name is Barbara Muno. I live at the village of Paradise Island and you've heard from me many many times talking about the same old stuff. I want
to give um kudos to Ardan because he listens to the residents. I'm gonna give kudos to Pat because Pat went over the history and I think that it is irresponsible for the commissioners to start from new and not look at what's
happened since 2017 through 2025. Um the reason that the the golf course wasn't taken care of was because it was to be replaced. Um the budget came in much higher than they said, but I didn't hear one person go back and say, "This
is the budget you guys have to work with when we went to all these consultants and please present what fits in this budget." So when the budget was a little bit too high, everybody dropped the ball again and here we are. Um I live on,
like I said, at the village. Um, personally, I think we should knock down the ball field on the aisle of Capri and put the the band stand there because then it affects you and not us that live on the the aisle of the other thing I'd just like to say is
first off, when we do have bands, we set up a stage on the beach. There's plenty of places to throw a blanket out and have everybody listen to the concert. We don't have to maintain anything. There's plenty of parking. It's downtown where people can go and get something to eat
or drink from our businesses that we're trying to get repopulated. Um, putting it on in an area where it's all residential. You guys not are not even taking into consideration uh causeway Isles because they're there too. I used
to live right by um Gators and it was damn loud when they played music out there. It's my backyard. I can tell you when they're playing um tennis out there, there's no parking spots just for playing tennis. I don't know where you think all these extra parking spots are
going to come from. Is that my time? >> Yes, it is. Thank you very much, >> Marie Barbara. Darn. Two minutes. We went from five to three now to two. Good evening, mayor, commissioner. Here we are again. I came
here really I think the focus now I I I see a little difference. I was opposed to the amphitheater, but now the focus of course should be on the environment and preserving the natural environment with the manatee great that they're building there and the seaggrass that they're going to have along there. They
have the oyster beds there with um you know traps in that. And so it's supposed they want this natural environment. They want to preserve this here. And we thought it was a good idea to have co uh coincidental um golfing with the the
walkway and the pedestrians. You know, nobody's against that. We want people to use that. But it's I think you have to do it by periods of this of timing. This time you play the golf, this time you don't. and every you know I've been
coming to the meetings I guess this time because I've known you for probably 25 or so years but um I think that you know all the you can't afford all this the way I I you know you come to meeting after meeting talk about taxes and taxes and you know you're spending too much
money on this and the consulting and oh my gosh it was so much you know compared to when we had tolls we didn't have all this hoopla because that was such a good source of revenue um but anyway getting back to I like the idea of preserving But remember the some of you remember we
had the we had a a swimming pool and then we had the children's um equipment playground equipment and then we had all that empty space where the the children's playground is that maybe could be moved back and maybe have extra spots there in the front just next to
the other parking lot. Something like that. And remember all the events with you know Bill Edwards. Okay, can we mention that name? He had all the concerts that he used to put out here. He didn't have Aerosmiths, but he did have um he did have one of the Aerosmith uh people out here. And he did have um
America, you know, I don't know, other big bands out there. They were always on the beach. The beach is the best place for this kind of events. Thank you for listening. >> Thank you, Lauren Do. Don't start.
[Laughter] >> Thank you. This is my first time attending the meeting. Um I live at Haven Point which is in the town houses but um to the vice mayor you mentioned
that um where you put the um workout stuff is that in where the golfers would be golfing would people get >> it's already there just for the record the workout stuff >> with the golf >> it's by the kayak launch >> so it's outside of the golf course
outside of the golf course irrelevant um and I guess I didn't know the town was interested in making money. Thought we were a nonprofit organization, but I'm for the golf course. And to your point, I used to play there and it was in very
nice condition. And I think once in 2017 18 when this all it was responsible for taking care of it didn't take care of it. I played on it. I don't know before you started construction and it was in awful awful shape. Like that person
should be fired. Whoever is responsible for taking care of it. You're you're laughing, but that's why >> nobody, you know, he's giving this 39 people a day. Well, that's why. Who wants to go? The greens were dirt. I don't want to play. How do you putt in
dirt? >> Did you ever play on it? >> No. I heard it was in bad shape. I didn't know it was that bad. And then you talk about the farmers market. Well, we have the farmers market right here >> in the center of town. That's a perfect location for the farmers market. Why would you want to move it up there? Keep
it here where the businesses are. You should be interested in stimulating the businesses. >> You want an amplified? Put it right here on this >> right here. Let her finish. >> I've gone to Corey A seven to nine. And where do you think those people go? To
the bars. So, I don't know why the town is so concerned about making money. They should be concerned about uplifting these businesses that were hit so hard from the hurricane. And I do I do think there's a compromise
to be had on some of this stuff. But for you to say people are going to be hit with golf balls when you know that statement is false is irresponsible. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, Joan Keenan. Okay. Joan Keenan. I live at 10355
Paradise Boulevard at um Paradise Island Towers. We're adjacent to Treasure Bay. Um I understand that change is challenging. It's challenging for everybody. However, I implore you to look at the logistics
while you're considering what you're going to do. We've heard again and again, the parking is a problem. It truly is a parking problem over there. If you're going to have all of these things, which I'm not opposed to all of these items here, but we live in a quiet
community and it's a it's a quiet lifestyle that a lot of people there have become accustomed to. Um, you're talking about bringing traffic through the community in a residential area where there's really no street parking and you're not going to be able to do
what you're say you're doing. We already have the problem of parking when standing ovations come where people because we're right next door and they can walk across the parking lot, they park in our parking lot even though we have reserve spots. So, parking is truly
a problem over there. um logistically, respectfully, you're really not talking about offering something to the community, but you're really looking more at generating revenue and bringing in tourists. And that to me, and what when I say that,
you know, I I look at we've got 6,500 people in this town, even if 30% of them have children, you're only talking about 19 1,950 children that live in the community. And if and and if you're saying 39 people when they use this a
day, those children, you're talking about pro possibly 50 days out of the year that children will be using this. You're talking about generating revenue and this is our community. So you have to consider what's important to us and we don't want our lifestyle to change.
So um we don't want people speeding through our community which we already have a problem with. Um regarding Is that my time? >> That's your time. Oh, >> thank you. >> All right, >> Jill Casten Bader. >> Was I close?
>> Yes, you were very good. >> Mine is simple. >> Hi, Jill Costator, Treasure Sands Golf Boulevard. When are the pickle ball courts going to be open at Treasure Bay? We're packed at Roselli. >> I can answer that. So, when they pulled
up the fencing, they did some damage around the perimeter. if they've patched the fence, but there are still some areas that are a little unsafe. So, we're trying to get some contractor out there to patch it before we allow people back on the courts. >> And when do you think that'll be? >> We're calling to see when they can come
out and give us a price because it is an unbudgeted repair. So, we're hoping to have that fixed as soon as possible. I know we'll probably start the Roselli January, so we've got a little bit time. >> Well, no, Rosselli's packed. When are we
do you have an idea? >> So it might not be before January. >> I can't answer that for you. >> Everybody doesn't. >> Thank you very much. >> Tad Kuzak. >> John, before I start my time, your clock is actually wrong.
>> One hour. >> You said you wanted by one hour. You wanted a seven o'clock. You're still gonna get one, right? >> Hi, I'm Ted Kuzak. I also live in tre treasure of the village. Um when I came here, I came here by happen stance. You
had a farmers market that was out here and I stopped for the farmers market and then I found out there's other markets that are downtown areas and I that to me is the treasure. One of the treasures is drawing people in by happen stance. And
you have what what did I do after I went to the farmers market? went to other places around and I found out you had a really nice beach. I didn't like the fact I had to pay for parking, but I did. Um, and now you're talking you're raising the parking, but still there's parking that was available. I really
enjoyed that fact and I ended up buying here because of the community that's here. I kind of thought that if there was going to be a band shell, it would be either here or it would be out on the beach >> because that's where you have the room, that's where you have the space and you
could you could flex as much as you want or as much as you need by the happen stance of people driving by or how much advertising you're doing. Whereas, if you're going to put it out on this peninsula, um, I was really surprised. That's the
only thing that really kind of surprised me when I saw that. I was saddened when the golf course left because when I retired, I started to play golf at 66 years old and I thought I would come down here with an iron and I would learn how to play with my irons. But I've done
it now up north. I've gotten a little bit better. I wouldn't hit anybody's house out here. Um and and if I did, they'd come and they'd hit me. But I my time is almost up. I'd like you to think about how do you draw people in? We're not going to draw people in happen
stance driving by down the boulevard. They're going to come here and that's where you then help all the other restaurants, the bars, the stores. I'm thinking of everybody. That's my goal. Not just one small spot. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. Roger. I'm not sure on the last name. Roger >> Evans. I want to start by saying I agree with just about everything that I've heard by the audience here. Um, couple things I
want to talk about. Um, no one mentioned that the golf course took in 150k um every year or at least close to every year. Where is that money going? Because we won't have that without a golf
course. The trail compatibility. Oh, we can't have golf because of the sidewalk. Well, I was told by the board that uh it was definitely doable. You can't have it both ways. Tammy, let's put the uh band shell in your backyard and see how you
like it. Um I've been coming here for 10 years and this is the fourth or fifth song and dance that the commission has come up with to try to kill the golf course. And each time the mandate from the people is keep it.
The band shell belongs in this park down here. Down in that park we had carnivals. We had concerts there. We had uh car shows, flea markets, farmers markets. That should be the main place
for activities, not in my backyard. Um, parking. Please explain to me where these extra parking Go come up here and show me where the extra parking space is going to be. >> You can't do that, can you?
>> That's not going to happen. We're not getting up. So, >> okay. But okay, I'll come over here. >> No, you we need you at the mic. >> I just want to know where this extra parking is going to be. You can answer.
>> No further questions. >> Thank you, Mark Hoey. >> Uh, good evening. Mark Hoey, District 3. And Mr. Sison is still not sharing my values or my interests in District 3. >> Please.
Uh, mayor, I go back about as far as you do on what's been going on with Treasure Bay, and I I because of the limit of time, I certainly would direct any of the public to want to see a good history of it on May 20th in this very room. Uh,
Miss Haduk had a very detailed history of what's been going on from that very beginning when USF had it as a student project and where it has gone to. I would refer everybody to go look at that is all the iterations that have taken place. What I haven't heard up here and
believe me I we need vision. We certainly do and in fact uh Lisa will pass around a vision that was being worked on actively by Citizens Voice Treasure Island more than 20 months ago but obviously the hurricane came so it
just got put on the side. Uh, nonetheless, but what I haven't heard is about the financial due diligence. The financial due diligence. A few key numbers. The living shoreline up to this point was budgeted for 2,545.2,545,000.
Our grants were only a,874. So, we already had a shortfall that the taxpayers had to pay to get it to this point. Obviously, then we paid another 120 for the collapsed area. Um, bottom line based on all of that, we're
almost 900,000 underwater with the living shoreline as it is. So, why I bring that up? Truly water over the dam. But what about any vision for major improvements? The key is going to be the due diligence. Whether it's privately
funded, whether it's public, private, whether the city decides to fund it, there has got to be some strenuous due diligence before anything's done. Please make sure it's not dumped on the taxpayers. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mark. Robert Baso. Uh evening, Robert Bazo, a district one uh commissioner clogdated himself by mentioning Aerosmith. I mean that kind of I didn't know you were that old. Kudos of uh kudos commissioner Vasquez
for really really showing the uh initiative to get this meeting to I think it's important. Uh the history of uh we all know the history of Treasure Bay. It should be the center of excellence for for for the for the island. Um I believe in compromise. Um,
I think there compromise is is important. Um, I'm not I'm not a golfer. I'm not good enough to be a golfer. I would probably hurt myself doing it. So, it does need to be it does need to be a compromise. Um, one of the issues, of course, that Mark I hate following Mark as he's probably one of the best
speakers I've I've heard in my entire career is is revenue. I I think all activities of Treasure Bay need to be revenue neutral. Um, I I know tennis certainly probably makes money. I know pickle ball is neutral. Um, I've heard stories that golf is is has been heavily in the red for years. I've heard other
people tell me it's in the black. It'd be nice to know that. So, a master plan is important. Uh, uh, parking plan is important. Can we handle golf? I think golf is a great sport. A lot of history there. If we can, if we can accommodate golf, great. Um, if it could be revenue
neutral, terrific. But I congratulate uh, Commissioner Vasquez for bringing this out to our attention. Um, it's not a new plan, but you had the guts to bring it to us today and start the dialogue. And thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. And with that, we will close public
comment and we will also close out the workshop and uh we will start our meeting. >> Okay. All right. Go ahead. We're actually not just I know there was
miscommunication. It's it's okay. Um I just wanted to I think a few of us wanted to make comments after hearing public comment. Um I think we do have the numbers on the golf course. Um and I don't I don't know that we have them
right now. Um I know that I have heard um before I was commissioner. So, this is back. We're going back cuz I was in the meetings in 2017 and I was all part of that when that was happening. But if I recall, and do not quote me on this,
but um I can get the actual numbers, but if I recall, it was costing us approximately $225,000 a year back then to run the golf course and maintain the golf course. So, we were definitely running in the red.
Again, that is that's not >> from 2017. So, I'm trying to pull that out of my memory. I will try to get those numbers. Um, I'll work with um, Victor and and you, Kathy, and I'll try to come up so that I can actually have those
numbers to address that. Um, one of the big things I want to say is that's why we're having a workshop. It's to have conversation. These are ideas, you know. Um, I know some people feel like they need to personally attack me
and that's okay. I have broad shoulders. Um, this is conversation and maybe the band shell would be better in Triangle Park. Maybe I mean again the the golf uh putting popstroke is because
that's something you can easily Google to use as a reference. Instead of two acres, maybe it's three acres, whatever. That's why we have workshops. It's not to yell at each other. It's not to get mad at each other. It is to have conversation so that everybody's happy
or at least hopefully we can come to a compromise to where most people are happy and that it just makes our community better. So, I just want to make that really clear. Workshops, that's what they're here for. Um, they're here to have conversation and I'm really glad that everybody showed
up. Um, and that's what we did. We had a conversation and I'm I'm very happy about that. Um, what I don't want to happen is for this to just be a conversation and die. We have to start moving forward. We have to do this. We
can't wait. You know, it is just sitting there deteriorating, deteriorating, and and it's not going to get any better. So, we need to continue these conversations until we do come up with that compromise so that we can give
guidance to staff to know what we're going to do because until then, we're just putting a band-aid on it and that's not what we need to do because the problem with a lot of things is is it keeps getting kicked down the road. So,
think about this. maybe this open because again I know the rumors are out there and I know everything and hopefully this at least helped dispel some of those rumors. Um but this is an idea. Let's work together as a
community. Let's not get mad at each other over it. Let's come up with a compromise that's going to make the majority of the people happy. And that's all I'm asking for. But thank you guys for all of your input tonight. So the the reason I didn't want the
meeting gave down is for that same reason. I think we need to come to some sort of consensus collaboration agreement out here. From my perspective to me, you can't you can't really decide or do anything unless you can see it. So
my my personal suggestion would be before I go to my suggestion, I could care less if there's a ban shell out there or not. I I thought maybe four four times a year we could have a little concert out there under the stars again on a on a grass grassy null, you know,
but if if if people are venimately against that, that's fine. I could care less if it's there or not. But my question, my my suggestion would be could we come up somehow maybe without spending a lot of money, maybe even Gary can do it with like five different
options for for Treasure Bay. That that's a picture that residents can look at where maybe one just has the golf course, maybe one has half golf course, half putting thing, maybe one has smaller putting and golf and then a lot more pickle ball and whatever and get
five things to look at and see if there's a compromise that can be made that maybe one of those five 75% of the 80% of the community agrees on. Um, now that would be my suggestion because, you know, again, I I I think
there's I I've heard some people out here mention compromise. I don't want to have zero type of any golfing stuff out there at all. That never be would never be my um you know, my wish. So, um can we somehow come up with
five or six options and start looking at them and see if there's stuff that we can all here agree on? I mean, that would be that would be my suggestion. >> I have a question for Charles. Uh, can we do like a workshop setting just like this one just for Treasure Bay in the
public and not do what we've done in the in the past like um at the clubhouse? We've had the SPC uh >> was that >> USF was at the clubhouse. >> USF. Yeah. with the whiteboards and we're spitballing ideas, but a wide openen
meeting in the public and something that we could give staff direction to look into and kind of do a master plan um and move forward and you know um and and it has to be fiscally responsible as well.
It can't be you know I I'm not a golfer. Uh I played basketball at the Treasure Bay. That's about it. Uh, but I think we got to move forward because we're just delaying for for decades. So, um, that's those are my
thoughts on it. >> Thinking like a town hall work like a town hall. >> Like a town hall. Okay. That's what I that's what I say. Yeah. >> We're trying town hall right here. >> Oh. >> Okay. >> So, here's what I'm going to do. Uh, first meeting in December. I'm going to
bring you your list of priorities that you all have given me and uh kind of consensus of what I've heard talked about. I've had each department come up with their top five things that they're working on and we'll put Treasure Bay on there and then you can rearrange the
priorities and we'll do it all in a uh timely manner uh but in a sequential manner and you guys can give me your priorities. Um we we have a lot of them. We're going to talk about some of them tonight. Um if we hire a master planner
down the road or next meeting or when whenever they could master plan Treasure Bay and the downtown area. Um so I'm I'm all for doing all of it just so we do it in an orderly manner and we all agree on what we're working on next with the
staff that we actually have able to work all these ideas. Real quickly, the only thing I'd like to add to to the discussion, and I agree with my colleagues, I think it's good that we've had this discussion. Uh we've we've kicked this thing down the road so
many times, and we and we were uh heading that direction again, but we do need to make a decision what we're going to do with that property. Uh, I would just like some some uh comfort level in knowing that it's not the five of us that they're going to be making that
decision that ultimately the residents the uh will make the decision on what we do with that. Not not this commission. That's all I had. >> That was the reason I brought up five drawings and shown them to the residents. I mean that Yeah. I mean I'm not I'm not going to unilaterally make
this decision. I mean that that I'm not doing that. And 100% that's why I wanted to put it on the workshop today and I think that's kind of what you were leading to Arthur is with a town hall because it's it's kind of like this but it's a little more of a open forum but I
think if we took that idea and your idea of coming up maybe with a few different ideas and have pretty pictures everybody likes pretty pictures it would give people a little bit better of an idea. So I I agree down the road and I don't
think any of us I mean I think all of us again that's why we want to have these discussions but I just don't want it to die here because that's what's happened before. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I I I don't believe that our parks need to make a profit.
>> Uh parks are amenities to the residents and that that's all it is. I mean, we have beautiful land in in a couple places and what we need to do is take advantage of it and push forward with everything trying to incorporate, you
know, all of our residents, but no, it's it's not about the money. Um, I mean, yes, we don't have endless money, but it's not about the money. Like I said, the these are amenities to our residents and and that's truly what it needs to be
and uh and hopefully we'll get there. So with that, I am now going to gave this workshop closed. >> Thank you, John. >> Thank you. Welcome to the regular commission meeting for November 4th, 2025. I'd like
to call this meeting to order. >> City clerk, would you please call roll? Good evening. Vice Mayor Vasquez >> here. Commissioner Clark >> here. >> Commissioner Sison >> here. >> Commissioner Dicki >> here. >> Mayor Doctor >> here. >> Thank you.
>> Approval of regular and workshop agendas. I guess we already did the workshop. So, approval of our regular agenda. Do we have approved? >> Okay. Seeing that we don't have any objections, we'll move forward. We do not have any proclamations,
recognition, certificates of appreciation tonight. Uh so now we will move on to our city manager report. >> I'd like to start with uh giving you an update and thanking you for your patience with me. When I rolled in in
July, uh we had a lot of discussion about a public safety building. There's been some more. Uh Mr. Volne has worked tirelessly to bring together a plan that makes sense, that meets our needs, that's fiscally responsible, that uses
property we already own, etc., etc. So, with no further ado, I'm going to yield my city manager report to an update on this, but let a guy that actually builds buildings give it to you. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners. Gary Vanick, director of
public works. Uh it's going to be a hard show to follow after that Treasure Bay discussion. It was a lot of interesting ideas and things, but I'm here to talk to you about ideas for the 108th Avenue site. I think uh um we've got some interesting or good concepts we can
discuss. Here's the property here. Um approximately 3.6 acres, former site of public works yard, master pump station, city hall, treasure, uh public uh police and and fire. Um, I'm going to go ahead and walk through
several ideas. Some of some of the things, the main thing is the public safety complex. We want to consider we want you to consider that as a as a a site uh for the police and fire uh facility. Um, but also we got the master pump station there, the public works
yard. Um, there are other improvements that have to be made and that would be the the seaw wall is aging. Before we go ahead and spend millions of dollars on improvements, we want to make sure we have a good foundation, a good edge for our our waterfront there. Um, Vice Mayor
Vesque has me mentioned about a fueling facility for our residents to go ahead and be able to pull up and buy fuel for their boats. So, we want to look at that and also uh replacing the marina dockage and possibly a ferry landing. This is this is a a a conceptual idea of
how we can lay out these facilities. Um centrally is in red is the is the the the uh public safety complex and then in the purple are the public works facilities and then the blue is the master pump station.
The the fire station and police station would be elevated. Um they would be a two-story structure and the garage would be at grade. It would allow for drive-thru for the fire uh vehicles. Um
I've worked with Chief Bar on the uh the length of it is deep enough to double stack vehicles. So So that's one of the things he wanted to have. So, we've got enough turning radius and they can do the drive-thru facility. And we've also compressed the site working to get the width as narrow as possible to use as a
little land as as as but yet keep it functional. Uh in the purple, the blue, excuse me, the the the purple elevated field office. It's a 30x40 small building to to house training, uh some offices, and a kitchen and bathrooms for
the for the staff. The garage would be a steel U building, two bay garage to allow us to perform maintenance on on the vehicles uh that the city maintains. And then the storage facility, that's actually an existing block. We're going
to go ahead and and gut it and re- roof it and re reuse that. Uh the pump station, we've relocated it to the west of the site to try and make as much of it available for parking and and driving driving access. Um the the sites are connected. There's a gate shown between
them, but that would roll open. We could actually drive vehicles. If a police car needed to get some some work done on it, they could bring it to the yard and we can go ahead and service it um in this manner. Um here's a just a massing diagram or view that that shows the
relative uh uh size the how they would stand on the streets uh the the uh public safety facility and and and the other. It again it's very crude. It's just but it gives you an idea of what these would look like and how they would be situated on the site. Now the the
architect will go ahead and make it pretty and and everything but this is just uh you can see the elevation of the of the structure. Uh there may be some wing walls to close out the the uh the open area below but uh you can see how the fire trucks will be able to drive on
through. Um, in addition, we would go ahead and propose to put a seaw wall in to replace the existing one. Um, the uh uh before we go ahead and put docks in, you'd have to go ahead and do this. We've got a new dock facility that would
handle uh the police, fire, and public works needs and also the public fueling facility. Um, it could be manned by public works staff uh to to go ahead and and serve that. Then farther down to the west, we've got the 16 day docks that
would provide slippage for public use and also a ferry landing. Uh if we are able to to work out something in that regard, this whole oper all those activities um take up about 1.6 acres. So it leaves us with two acres of land
more or less that's that's remaining for for possible use. Now, how do we get there? Um, we would, first of all, if you decide you'd like to pursue this, you'd have to resend a previous resolution that was approved by the commission that estab the fire station
right out here at the city hall facility. So, that that would have to be um changed and and we go ahead and proceed that way. But, as far as a public safety complex, um, I'm recommending a design build single entity uh, project delivery method. I
believe that this would be faster delivery. We can save some cost by having the architect and the contractor work together to economize and value engineer it right from the get-go. And it'll also allow us to overlap some of the construct like they can start site
work before we have all the the lights exactly laid out and every window exactly perfect. So we I feel that on the outside I'd like to have it finished by April 27. The master pump station that design's already underway. We hope to have the
we're scheduled to have it done the design completed before the end of the year here and uh going to going to construction early of 26 and it'll be finished before the end of the year the 26th. The public works yard we've requested a proposal for the design of
that. Um the schedule would have awarding the construction in spring of next year and again finishing by by the end of 26. The seaw wall We've got a the same contract uh
consultants putting together proposal to have the seaw wall done. Um it'll be as I mentioned it'll be placed adjacent to the existing seaw wall that minimizes the amount of permitting and environmental work that has to be conducted on it and and then the fueling
facility the same sort of thing need the you know department of revenue license we've got uh department of agriculture is involved and and uh FD will be involved with that. These will all be go going on concurrently in in 2026. And then the same with the the the dockage.
Um we need to go ahead and renew our lease on the city marina portion. We need to get a new land uh submerged land lease on the uh fueling facing facility portion. And the the all this work will be completed uh during the 2026.
the remaining acres. That leaves 200 two acres roughly to uh for the commission to go ahead and evaluate opportunities and decide what you'd like to do with it. Um public private combination. Um if if you do want to pursue, you know, some sort of lease or sale of the property,
that would take a referendum, but that's something that can be, you know, discussed and and you can decide how you'd like to proceed with that. So, that that sort of wraps up the discussion I went through very quickly. Uh if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer. There's a one you showed us that uh
you're going to build a new public works facility. Um does that have uh adequate shower facilities uh for the the folks working in the field? >> We do not have shower facilities
programmed in it, but it's actually hasn't been, you know, okay, >> physically designed that can be done. We found that most of the guys would rather just rinse off and go home and change. >> Okay. And and that's that's what we found. Now we can go ahead and put an out a little small outdoor kind of a you
know rinse down shower if we you know we can we can go ahead and incorporate that. But those kind of things will be worked out when we get the architect to really you know um flesh out the design and I'll be getting with the staff and and getting their direct input into it. >> Well, I think you've done great work. I
mean it it's very impressive. Uh but do we have any uh any costs at this point or >> Well, the the master palm station has a has some grants. Um the uh the you talked about all of it, bits and pieces.
>> Just bits and pieces of but >> right the the the thing is um uh I just rely on on Victor, our our FDS director. Um but the the the cost of um of of this the
the the public safety facility is the most expensive item we're going to we're going to deal with. Um we would go ahead and as the design build contract, we would uh do a proposal that would combine qualifications and pricing and
we would evaluate that contractor and look at the costs of what it's going to be. But that's the biggest cost. The public works yard itself, the the the engineered metal buildings are not that expensive. Even the even the field office that's elevated, it's going to be an engineered metal building on top of a
just elevated concrete slab. Um, keeping the costs, it's going to be very utilitarian. It'll be nice, but it's it's it's we're we're doing that very inexpensively. I would say the the next most expensive thing would be the seaw wall. That could be, you know, $800,000 to a
million dollars of seaw wall work along there. But, you know, when you're gonna you spend, you know, 8 to10 million on a public safety facility, you want to make sure that your seaw wall is in good shape that that it's adjacent to. >> So, that 8 to10 million you just referenced, before it was we were
hearing it was 12 million. Um, do we are we confident or somewhat confident that we're going to be able to do it? And this >> well um I mean I've talked to contractors and I wouldn't have said that number if I didn't feel we we could
attain it. So I I I uh I I I don't we're not going to pay $1,000 a foot. Um but it's going to be it's not going to be cheap either though. It's it's it's uh we want it to last us, you know, 50 years. We want to give, you know, uh fire and police the adequate resources to do their job.
And um it it it's it's not going to be it'll be a cat. It'll be raided building, but it I don't think we're going to have people there during a big storm. We probably would evacuate it. It'll be ready to get, you know, get back to day day one, our one. It'll be ready to go. It'll have a generator and
all that, but uh um I I it's going to be a tremendous facility when we get done with it. >> Great. Thank you. >> Go ahead. So, I've always heard that you build really nice stuff uh fairly inexpensively. So, I guess my question
is we had we had like money set aside for pump station all lot public works building all these different things, right? So I mean is it possible that you have a estimate that when you add all those things up it's a lot less than you
know what we had budgeted and that that covers some of the public safety building or I mean I'm just I'm just trying to find out like again that's one thing John brought up. We see everything here but numbers. So I'm just wondering like budget like be something that said budget for all these five or whatever
things that were there and then this is what you think you can do it for. I I mean, I know I know you can't guarantee it, but guess gueststimate, you know. >> Well, you know, I'll be honest with you. I was only supposed to talk about the public safety facility and I threw in all the others because I thought we need
to get these out in front of you. It's it's all part and parcel and and the way the site fits. I want to show you that we're trying to do our best to economize the amount of land area and and make it as practical as possible. I mean, if you look right by the in the center, there
are four dots uh four red squares. Those are Duke transformers that that would cost $680,000 to relocate. So, we worked around it. We we we really tried to make this make sense for the community, make good use of the dollars, but I I I
apologize. I do not have a dollar figure next to each one. The main thing was for me to convince you to to move it to this site or at least give you the opportunity to consider it being moved to this site. the the fire police facility. Um because again, we have on record we have a resolution that you
voted to put it here. So that would have to change. So if you you know if if for the time being whether it's here or there the costs are going to be the same as far as the it's it's it's sort of more of a location thing, but I will be happy to put a dollar value next to each
one of these items and get that to the city manager to convey to all of you. And just one one other comment and I'll stop. But this this drawing here and then can you go to the next one you had. Um that is all I was talking about for Treasure Bay. If we could have like five
of those with five different five different it's amazing to be able to it makes a huge difference when you can see it. So I agree. I mean >> so anyhow that's what I was talking about before. you have your I'd like to give out a shout out to Sweet Sparkman, the the consultant, the architectural
consultant that was uh uh selected to do the building originally was going to go over here. Um they they volunteered to provide these drawings to give us an idea of what it would look like and they did a nice job with with in a very quick uh time frame.
And first of all, thank you on the public fuel dock because as every boater around here knows, you go to Madera Beach. I mean, you can go to John's Pass, but usually you're waiting behind a lot of fishing boats to get in. But you either go to Madera Beach or you go to St. Pete Beach. Um,
and the offset of the cost, um, just going by Madera's numbers, one pump makes a million dollars a year. And so the offset for the seaw wall, the docks, everything else. Um it wouldn't take long to pay for itself. That's for sure. That's true.
>> And very very convenient for the residents. Um so I'm happy to see that you were able to work that in there. That's amazing. >> So if I understand correct, and Gavin, I guess this would relate to you as well. In order to
basically instruct staff to move forward on this, I would need to resend the previous resolution to put it next door and then make a motion to move forward with it on 108. Am is that correct? >> Yeah. So, you you could um
mo make a motion to have staff bring back a new resolution that would cancel out the old one or you could resend the old one and then move forward. But I mean it ultimately if you're making a motion it could be in in the resolution that you're repealing the old resolution. So
>> what would be the preference and timely? >> What I had planned to do was just kind of gain a consensus buyin from the commission tonight >> and put all this into Granicus with a resolution, a motion, everything that would take care of that. And I've
already uh subtasked that to Gary and Gavin to make the motion. Okay. What will do all that? >> Perfect. >> Yeah. So, tonight, yeah, if you give that general kind of guidance, that'll it won't be a surprise, but then you can have um it on the agenda and the public can give input into it. >> Okay.
>> Can we see the the numbers before we're voting on anything? I mean, that would be like >> I think he said we're just voting on the location because right now the vote is solid next door. So that has to be rescended before they can move forward to >> zero cost differences between next door
and over there. That's my question. I don't know. >> Well, well, actually, from my understanding to get a an emergency light put out here over the DOT roadway, it was about a half a million dollars of additional cost to put that lighting facility in here. That's to, you know, so that they get if
they have to roll, it shuts the traffic down, they can get out. So, um, it would actually be, I believe it'd be less expensive there. >> Well, I mean, that would be good to know. I mean that helps you get your resident support. Maybe it's less expensive. I mean so I just want to see some numbers with it, you know.
>> So I'm I'm uh very supportive of this as well. This is a great idea. You've shared this with me a couple of times and it's looked better each and every time. Uh and and I really appreciate and respect the work that you did on this to try to pull it all together and and to incorporate the additional things like
the fueling station, the the dock, the new docks, the new seaw wall, making it an entire package, not just one, you know, one uh public safety building or public works building. So So you've got it all together. And I and I yeah, I'd love to see you if you if it's not too
quick uh to bring this back at our November 18th meeting if that's not too quick. and uh >> we can bring it back on November 18th with all the resolutions to put it down there. We need to get RFQS on the street and Gary can speak to that timeline
before we could give you a a dollar figure because it'll be two or three contractors saying, "Yeah, I will or won't use Sweet Sparkman as my architect. I want to use this guy because then I can guarantee a price in with it." >> I mean, I I guess I was trusting Gary. I
wasn't looking for like a RF. I was looking He's saying it's not a,000 a foot. It's 800 or what. I mean, if that I just wanted an estimate on on what all of it was going to cost. It seems like it's going to cost less than we thought. And that's good for everything put together. And maybe that adds up to like
a lot. I I I don't know. I again, I haven't seen any numbers, so I don't know. I'm I'm saying it sounds positive to me. I just would like to see it. >> So, you're you are going to bring back the resolution at the next meeting then, correct? to just move location. >> I'm going to defer to Gary on when we
can have some numbers that anybody's comfortable. >> I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking about to do away resolution. We can bring it back on November 18th. We've got most of the big pieces >> because I do understand it has to go to RFQ and all of that. So I >> I can try to get something together by
the 18th, but I I feel by the is it December what's the first meeting in December 4th? >> Yeah, we we >> I'm sorry. Tonight's the fourth. December I I I feel like by December 2nd I could get get you a you know relative numbers for each of these items.
>> That'd be perfect. >> On December second with some numbers. >> I'm for doing the resolution at the next meeting because all that is is moving locations. >> Okay. >> So I'm okay with that. >> I agree. >> And then we can get numbers on the
December meeting. >> Do we have everything you need? >> Uh yes. I just mostly uh I I never want you to be surprised and that was a lot so I wanted to show it to you before I threw it on an agenda. >> Very good work.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I wishary for it all. Great job, Gary. >> Your hard work. [Applause] >> All right, we're going to move into public comments. >> I've got just one one more quick slide. Uh Commissioner Clark had asked about uh
for a TMM update. Um, so, uh, we've been working through a much simpler drainage manual to address drain and fill. Uh, we're about 80% complete. Simultaneously, we're working,
uh, to modify our codes to meet the simplified drainage plan. Uh tonight, um what we need from you, which is on the agenda later, is a 60-day extension to keep our um seaw wall and single family home permits, which have increased in
their quickness of getting approved. Um so that was a great move that y'all made back I think on September 18th. Uh we appreciate that. Um and my hope is to have all this batten down in very very early 2026.
Um it may or may not require another 60-day extension. Um but there's just a lot of work to be done here. And the good news is we're doing a lot of work pretty quickly for government actually. >> Is there a limit to how many 60-day
extensions we can do or no? >> You just have to vote on it each time and if it's permanent then it has to go through the two ordinances. So okay. My assumption if I bring you like five or six of them, you're going to be like, so
I'm trying to get it done pretty quick. >> I just don't want it to be like we can't do it and we don't doesn't get done. That was my concern. So, >> okay. All right. So, we're going to move on to public comments for non-aggenda items.
The first one is uh Chaplain Andy. Good evening, commissioners, mayor, all my friends, neighbors here of Treasure Island. Two weeks ago, I told you about a charity event that we are doing to raise awareness and procure adult
diapers. We are off to a rousing start. Stuff is already coming in and we haven't even started. Um, we are about to run into a Tampa Bay Times blitz that we are going to be doing over a 3-week period. We will be in the newspaper. We
will be in the beacons and we will also be all over the internet. We also have various entities that are going to help us with the internet and what we're going to be doing there. We have our big breakfast kickoff November 12th at 8:00 a.m. I expect you all to come.
>> So, what we need now, it's on the fifth floor. So, what we need now, what I need now is for you to go to the mountaintop with us. Go up to that mountain. We are going up to the mountain top. We will raise a thousand bags of adult diapers.
And if you're too tired of it all, too sick of it all, had it all, or just stuck in that stupid place where stupid people go to win stupid prizes, jump on our backs, and we will take you to the mountaintop and we will succeed. And we
will get a thousand bags of diapers. We will link arms and go to that mountaintop. And if you need help, go talk to Bobby Shay. Jump on Chief Barkley's back. Jump on Captain Saves's back. Jump on Chief Bar's back. Jump on Deputy Fire Chief
Brennan's back. And we will take you to the mountaintop. When everything is a struggle, just think of the view. Think of what it looks like. Come and do the next right thing and show the world what little old beat up battered tired
Treasure Island can do. You can choose to live a life of blame or you can choose to live a life of blessing. Do the next right thing. choose to change the world with us. Give me 20 seconds of insane courage and I promise you
something great is going to happen and it will change your everlasting soul. Please come help us and make it a little bit easier for so many people. Come to the mountaintop. Go wild for a while. Put on your hiking boots because the
world's a better place in hiking boots. Every time we go to the mountaintop, we find more than we seek. The best view comes from the hardest climb. And then, and only then, we can make God smile.
Come with us. Go to the mountaintop. If you need me, you can find me in the mountains. May your trails be crooked, winding, and lonesome, and even at times dangerous, leading you to the most amazing views. May your mountains rise
into and above the clouds. Our expedition starts November 12th, 8 a.m. fifth floor, and we need your help to climb this mountain. Thank you all for listening. Peace be with you all. >> Thank you, Chaplain
Derry Smith. Derry Smith. Derry Smith, 5579th Terrace. Um, I want to let you know we have over 600 Treasure Island resident signatures on the petition against height and density.
uh their addresses have been vetted and when we hit 650, which I'm hoping we'll be doing in the next few days, that'll be 10% of the city's population. And remember, we're collecting this many signatures when many of of the island
are still displaced. Many homes are empty. And I think this is a strong message to the commission that the residents don't want the increase. But the next thing I have to say is directed to you, mayor doctor. History's watching you. I fear that you
are supporting increased height and density because you believe you're doing something good for the city. That in your mind the increase will be beautiful. The downtown district will be beautiful. The Gulfront hotels will be beautiful. Maybe you go to sleep at
night thinking how well the citizens of Treasure Island will remember you and how they will remember you always for these changes. And you're correct that we will remember you always for the changes, but it won't be how you hope. I truly believe that you want to be
remembered fondly and with respect. I fear that uh will not be the case if you vote with Commissioner Vasquez and Sison. Your name will be fair for forever connected with two commissioners that have terrible ethical issues with the residents here and you will be
remembered as part of the group that corrupted our beloved island. There is still time for you to be remembered as a hero. Stand up for us. Stop the increased heightened density. Allow developers to develop according to the restrict restrictions we have now.
That's all we ask. Do that and you will go down in history as a great mayor. I hope you choose that path. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Grant Smith. Good evening, Mayor Commissioners. Grant Smith, Sunset Beach. I'd like to address
the recent heightened density ordinances under consideration, specifically the due diligence process being followed by the staff and commissioners. I'd like to preface my comments by acknowledging the personal sacrifice the commissioners make to serve the residents of Treasure
Island. It's admirable that as representatives of your various districts, you're willing to set aside your personal interests, including potential financial gains for yourself, families, friends, or business associates to prioritize the interests of the residents. Thank you for your
sacrifice and the integrity you bring to your roles. At a previous commission meeting, representatives from the Thunderbird submitted the resume of their planner into the record to establish the planner's expertise. I'd like to submit the following document to the clerk identifying evidence-based or best
practices in evaluating the need for an ordinance, zoning, or change to a building code based on the request from a developer. The document includes a partial list of tasks, a brief description of each and the citation identifying the source of the information, whether it's a textbook, a
government publication, a trade publication, or a peer-reviewed journal article. It provides a summary of the methods and information that should be obtained as part of a rigorous due diligence process. Certainly, the magnitude of the changes being considered with increases of height and
33% or more density increases of 100% or more impacting a large portion of our beachfront as well as portions east of Gulf Boulevard merit a rigorous due diligence process. Prior to making any changes, I urge the commission to invest
the time and effort and best practices to obtain the information necessary and share it with residents to answer the following questions. One, are the developers claims of financial hardship under the current guidelines valid? Two, what's the cost to the municipality and residents in terms of increased
services, infrastructure, etc. Three, how do the proposed changes benefit the residents of Treasure Island? To date, the arguments supporting the changes presented by the developer staff and proponents of the request do not include valid information
supporting their claims. Both the sources of the information and the granularity or specificity of the information are problematic. As representatives of the residents who overwhelmingly favor limited smart development,
please take the time necessary to implement the best practices as part of a due diligence process to change the ordinance with incomplete or deficient information would be counter to your commitment to the residents unprincipled in a dereliction of your duty. I refuse
to believe that individuals who have committed to public service with your experience, your intellect, your character would proceed in a reckless manner to Molly Codddle developers. You know what the right path is. The right time to do the right thing is
always right now. Please do the due diligence. Thank you. >> Thank you, Hendrick. Yeah, good evening, Hendrickk Bizant, Sunset Beach, and also Sea Salt Properties. I wanted to just take an
opportunity and uh remind everybody of one of your former best employees that uh became available on the job market, Renee Tarzitano, who's sitting there in the middle of the room.
Uh I'm very happy that I'm one of the few that was happy that she was no longer here because she became available to join us at Sea Salt. And we have uh ever since this storm helped very many homeowners get back into their homes. Uh
Renee has done the same since leaving the city and now we're a team and continue to do uh that type of work. So, if anybody needs help getting a permit or an after the-act permit and become compliant, we can help.
>> Thank you very much, Mark Hoey. Uh, good evening again, Mark Hoey, District Three, and Mr. Sison is still doesn't represent my my u hopes and beliefs about district three. um wanted
to take us back a little bit to July. We welcomed Mr. Vanzant in as our new city manager uh with all the hopes that we had for his vision for uh fixing the city and making it more efficient. on
August 5th in this very room at his first reading of uh his comments, he put up a slide telling us how he was going to address uh bringing in trusted confidants and skilled people to come
and evaluate the CDD and determine what needed to be done in order to make that department more efficient, more effective, and more responsive to the residents. So, it's been roughly almost 3 months and I just put out an ask for
at some point that Mr. Vanzant would then update us all, you and the U community at large with how that's going, what are the positive changes that he has envisioned and when will we see them. So, thank you. Thank you,
Mark. Ron >> Diazi. Yep. >> Good evening everyone. My name is Ron Diazi. I'm a resident of Treasure Island. And there's a couple of thoughts that I'd
like to uh present to you this evening. Uh and one of them is in regards to the height requirements. Uh according to your own charter, the city cannot vote against or change increased height requirements that the
citizens voted against. They can only vote to reduce the height. They cannot go against the charter except to decrease it. You cannot go against the citizens vote from 2016
and change the height requirements. You just can't do it. It's in your own charter. Uh the second thing I'd like to address is uh why did you choose to use another um
firm uh for city attorney when we already have one? I think uh we were pretty comfortable with uh Mr. Rollins and uh if you do
if you are changing them then I think it should go on the ballot. We should have the right to choose our representation. Uh I don't understand it. The only thing I could see is that you're picking uh
uh uh city attorneys that uh are familiar with the city and we're going back to our old way of business. And uh I I just don't I can't see it. I would like to see if we're going to have
a new city attorney, then put it on a vote, put on a ballot, let the people vote for who they want to represent them. And uh that's about it. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Ron. >> Okay.
>> Marie Barbara. >> Marie Barbara. um resident of Sunset Paradise. Yeah, I'm here because this this board, this commission board placed an ad in the in the paper last
week. Uh November 18th for everybody is a city meeting. Um and it's going to be a second reading according to the ad on the ordinance 20 uh 202516 and 202517. The ad said that this is going to be
November 18th and this is for those ordinances have to do with the huge amount of increase the humongous increase uh proposed by the Thunderbird um are and that's the hotel and motel
um in one of the ordinances and the other one is for Pirate Square. So everybody should be aware of that November 18th put that on your calendar. Um it is very disappointing to see that that is going to be the second reading according to what was placed on the ad. And here we are, you know, in a in a
debacle where there is going to be probably a legal challenge. I guess you're not going to be the one here because it was Mr. Sabatini said, "Well, Senate uh Bill 718 said that we cannot we do not have to go to referendum." And here we have stalemate and uh you know
we have the the chess piece going hey king you can't move that's bill 718 and the city saying no we we can move we can put this we have to put this on referendum because that's what our charter states our charter states this
specifically in article 17 uh 7 section 7.07 07 when it says any local ordinance vote v voted into effect by the electric pursuant to an initiative or referendum which the height and density was referendum
respectively shall only be subsequently amended or repealed by the electric at the polls and that only addresses one ordinance that you have here that's the 2002 200204 height and density that was voted in by
the people. So, we have checkmate. We have circular logic here and nobody is addressing it here. So, this is what we're going to go we're going to go into what a a lawsuit for I don't know how long this is going to take. Why don't you get together with these the citizens and say, "Okay, we
don't like 733% increase in the density in the motel orund 233 density increase in the hotel area or the motel is the one with the 733." Okay, this is outlandish, outrageous. Why don't you take a town
hall meeting and come up with something that we can all live with, calculate it out to see how many more cars and how much more traffic you're going to bring in here and what stress you're going to put on the sewer systems and and the overflow and come to a conclusion that we can all
live with and we probably will have to go to referendum according to what the legal uh opinion is. Thank you. >> Thank you, Maria. Um, is Kim Carella still here or was that uh she had filled out two cards she left? Okay. Thank you
very much. I appreciate that. All right. That's going to uh I'm going to close public comments and we're going to move on and uh we have approval of the minutes.
>> I move to approve the minutes as presented. We have a motion and a second. >> Do we have any discussion? >> All right. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> All opposed. >> Okay. Now we're moving on to our consent
agenda. >> I move to approve the consent agenda as presented. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Do we have any discussion? I just have one question on agenda item number G3. Uh
the 2026 meeting schedule. Uh the schedule for the commission meeting for March 17th of 2026 is on St. Patrick's Day. >> And I don't know if that was okay. >> If that was an oversight or if that's something that we may want to consider
moving to the day after or or something, but uh we avoided all at the very least, right? >> Yeah. We avoided the holiday. So other than that, that was the only question I had. If we could >> definitely for moving, >> you don't want to move it to the Monday
or the Wednesday or something. >> I would say the Monday. >> I would say the Monday. Well, I'm not going to >> um So, uh what we're looking at is Tuesday, March 17th, striking that and actually doing Monday, March 16th.
>> Okay. I agree. >> That's all. >> Everybody good? >> Yeah. As long as there's consensus, yeah, you don't have to do it. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> Good catch. >> All right. If that was the only uh issue with that,
um we will now uh >> Did we vote? >> I'm sorry. >> I don't think we voted yet. >> We have not voted. >> No, I didn't think so. >> No. Then that's uh All in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> I was lost. >> Okay,
let's move on. to our first agenda item of new business, a quasi judicial proceeding. Are you going to read the >> I um I can. Yeah. So, with quasi
judicial, it's just a fancy Latin word for um similar to judicial. It's not quite as stringent as the rules requiring judicial, but your decisions have to be made based on evidence. Um, if you've had any exparte communication, another Latin word for just outside of
this chamber, you need to disclose that if somebody has talked to you about the variance, um, and what is coming before you and then basically both sides present and, uh, introduce their evidence and then you make a decision based on that. Okay. I'd like to make a
motion to table this item. >> I have a second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? We don't want to the uh representative is here. I think they'd at least like the opportunity to speak about it. >> And we did get communication in an
email. I believe it was today, >> right? >> Um from them. I know it went it looked like it went to all the commissioners and the mayor. >> Yeah. Just Yeah. With that just disclosing that on the record that you received an email. Um is >> now the applicant can make a
>> correct. The applicant certainly can. Um you guys can certainly u make a motion to table it, but the applicant has the opportunity to speak since it's on the agenda. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Good evening, mayor and commissioners. Starting off good here.
did not expect to have that kind of headwind right away. But anyways, Hrik Bizant, Sea Salt Properties, and I'm here representing a Sunset Beach property owner seeking a variance to rebuild a pool destroyed by Hurricane
Hela. Before addressing the specific variance, I believe it is important to briefly explain why many Sunset Beachfront home owners, including the applicant,
have not yet rebuilt. You know that Hurricane Hill stripped away roughly about 8 feet of sand elevation, leaving many yards and in some cases entire lots washed out. These beachfront homes were left exposed
and vulnerable to even minor weather events and rem rebuilding immediately after before reourishment of our beach would have been irresponsible and financially reckless.
This commission will surely recall the significant effort involved in securing federal funding for beach reourishment funds covering approximately 65% of the project. And you will recall the meeting held on
January 22nd right here where state and c county officials assured us that a new erosion control line would be recorded within months. Draft maps were shared showing where the
existing 1968 line sits and where the corrected line would go. This matters because the erosion control line determines construction setbacks. The 1968 line is outdated and
irregularly drawn. In some places, it sits seawword of homes. In others, it literally runs through living rooms and kitchens. The army corpse made clear no updated line, no federal sand.
Many homeowners again, including this applicant, understandably now waited not only for the beach to be reoured, but also for the new line before investing
roughly a half a million dollars or more in rebuilding pools, decks, and structures. If you were in their position knowing your buildable footprint was about to increase and stabilize,
you would have done the same. And so here we are. We're simply asking to build the pool to the current erosion control line, which coincides with where the new line will place the setback. Anyway,
the pool plans already exist and will comply fully once the new line is recorded, which we know now is imminent. This is what I shared this morning. I didn't speak to the variance at all. I shared information as to when this new line is
about to be recorded. It confirms a settlement agreement has been reached. And the state representative, Mr. Weeks, has stated that the recording is expected before year end. Granting this tonight does not create a
non-compliance situation later. It simply allows the homeowner to begin rebuilding after 13 months of waiting. This is something you may not be aware of. The new line was expected to be recorded in June.
It was challenged and through a public records request, I learned why. A Treasure Island Beach Hotel property owner owner had a documented agreement with state and county officials
dated March 2025 stating the line would accommodate his operations. The county, however, did not follow through and instead presented a line that ignored this agreement. This property owner had every right to
challenge it. The county dropped the ball on this and guess what? Federal reourishment dollars, roughly $80 million, were lost. Homeowners were left unable to rebuild.
Permit processes stalled. Tourists ended up funding the bill to renourish with local taxes, tourism taxes over $125 million. The county is not the hero in this. They
cost us taxpayers about $80 million. This delay was not caused by homeowners. Yet, homeowners now bear the consequences. If we get to this tonight, staff will remind you the applicant is not prevented from reasonable use of the
property. There's no unnecessary hardship. With full respect to staff, I disagree. When a hurricane destroys your pool and
yard, removing eight vertical feet of land and a government delayed boundary line has prevented you from rebuilding for over a year sensibly. That is a hardship. When you cannot responsibly invest until
a state promised federally required correction is recorded. That is a hardship. This variance is before you today only because the property is on the beach. This would normally go before the planning and zoning board. I've spoken with three planning and zoning board
members in attendance tonight. One just left and all have expressed support for this variance. That board has consistently worked to help residents return to their homes safely and quickly.
And we're asking the same from you tonight. This request does not bend rules. It aligns with what the rules will be within weeks. It does not create an exception. It simply avoids punishing a homeowner for
government delay. It does not create risk. It merely lets a resident family begin restoring their home and life. 13 months post Helen. We respectfully ask you to approve this
variance tonight and allow this family to move forward. I'm curious to see if you will still table this and push this off your desks and avoid responsibility. And I think it's a shame if you do.
So, um, because it was on the agenda, it it's good practice to allow the applicant to have their say, but if you actually want to conduct a hearing tonight, which it seemed that there was an indication you were not wanting to, but that would need to be sworn testimony, and you would want to hear
from staff, the applicant, both sworn testimony, and then each they would have the opportunity to present evidence that would be officially submitted. There's a whole process to it. So, if you guys do want to consider it um tonight, that's certainly fine. We would just need to kind of um start with that process. My
understanding is the applicant was just presenting almost like public comment. So, >> okay. So, we have a motion on a table and a second. Any discussion? >> Yeah. Yeah. I I don't see any reason we need to table this. I I shouldn't say I do see the reason and that's simply
because uh it would be easiest for us to just let the ECL line take its natural course and at that time uh uh Mr. visions would not even need a variance request. But uh I think he makes a valid
argument uh at least he certainly convinced me and I had not talked with him about this issue at all uh up you know I just heard what he had to say but I I think uh us approving this variance will allow the resident uh to move forward with rebuilding because even
though this it it does appear to be imminent. I did check with the county myself. I think uh Hendrick checked with uh with the state, but I checked with the county and got a similar response from the county that that a uh uh an agreement had been uh sent to the
complaintant and that they were going, you know, as soon as they signed it that that they would be moving forward and that could take several weeks, but I don't see any reason why we as a commission need to delay this any longer. So, I would like not to table this. I would like to go ahead and hear what uh Jesse has to say. uh here uh
Hendrickk if he has any more to offer and then uh and then let's make a decision and if we want to say no then I mean if the commission wants to say no then they can do that. I I don't think tableabling it is the right thing to do at this point. >> I don't I don't think that I I mean I I'm not going to speak for everybody
else. I don't feel like we want to say no. Uh my whole just my opinion is if it is going to be just a couple weeks and I know for the homeowner that's awful. I get that. I I 100% get that cuz my pool
two got destroyed in the hurricane. So, I get that. Um, my problem is is it's government. It's not our fault. It's not Treasure Island's fault. It's Penllis Countyy's fault. And putting it on us to to give a variance
with a zero setback property line sets a precedence in the event. And I get it. I get that the countyy's moving forward with it. it's going to change. It's, you know, it's like 98% there, but we also know how government works and
how the county works. So, if something were to happen or to change in the next couple weeks, but we have approved this, then we are setting a precedence at a zero uh zero foot setback. And that's my
fear on it. Um, I I get not tableabling it. I understand what you're saying. I am just not comfortable, especially now, if they were saying it wasn't going to be till next summer or whatever. I'm not even saying I would feel differently because I think that puts a lot of
it just it's not good for Treasure Island. Again, we can't help what the county did and what they're doing and the delays. Um, we can only help what we can, but I think approving a zero a zero setback on a property line when it appears that it's going to be
approved anyway here in the next few weeks. I just I'm personally not comfortable with that only. I mean, we're talking zero. >> No, I No, I I I understand. I understand. And I I uh I I did a lot of research on this subject because I wanted to
>> sure >> make the right decision. But anyway, my question is, do we table it or do we just openly discuss it? >> I still feel like we table it because I can tell you even with a discussion and with it being imminent, I would and I'm just being honest. I would still I would
and I don't want to vote no, but I would be a no because I'm not comfortable with approving a zero setback on something, especially when in a few weeks um it it appears imminent that it won't even be needed. That's again, that's just my opinion.
>> Any more discussion? We have a motion and a second. Uh, city clerk, would you call the role? >> Mayor Doctor, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez, >> yes.
>> Commissioner Clark, >> yes. >> Commissioner Sison, >> yes. >> Commissioner Dicki, >> no. >> Thank you. >> Okay, moving on. Second item tonight, second and final reading of ordinance 2025-04.
Would you please read the what you need to? You're on H2, correct? Just right. Okay. Trying to pull it up now. It's seeming. There we go. >> The paper. >> An ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, amending the future
land use map of the city of Treasure Island comprehensive plan for two lots associated with the aisle of Palms Park, also known as Triangle Park, located on the northeastern corner of 112th Avenue and 13th Street East. Lots four and five, which combined measure
approximately. 256 acres or 11,170 square ft from residential medium RM15 to recreational open space RSO finding the request consistent with the city of Treasure Island's comprehensive plan and the forward Penllis countywide plan
providing for transmitt to reviewing agencies in accordance with the requirements of the law providing for severability providing for conflict and providing for an effective date. I move to approve ordinance 2025-04 amending the future land use map of the
city of Treasure Island comprehensive plan at this second and final reading and transmit the amendment to the Florida Commerce in accordance with chapter 163187 Florida statutes and providing for an effective date.
>> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> All right. Do we have any public comment? I don't believe so. Nope. So, roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez,
>> I. Commissioner Dicki, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. >> Moving on to H3, second a final reading of 2025-05. An ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, amending the official
zoning map of the city of Treasure Island for two lots associated with Triangle Park located on the northeast corner of 112th and 13th lots four and five which combine measure approximately um is this the same one?
>> Oh, you said '05. >> 05. >> Okay. It's just very similar. So, all right. approximately uh 0.256 acres or 11,170 square feet from residential medium RM15 to recreational open space RSO. Um
finding the request consistent with the city of Treasure Islands comprehensive plan land development regulations and the Ford Penllis Countywide Plan providing for severability providing for conflict and providing for an effective date. I move to approve ordinance 2025-05
amending the official zoning map of the city of Treasure Island at this second and final reading. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Motion and a second. Any discussion? And we have no public comment. Say clerk, would you please call roll?
>> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. Commissioner Sison. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> I. Mayor doctor >> I H4 second final reading of ordinance 202526 to ban shark fishing >> an ordinance of the city of Treasure
Island Florida creating a shark fishing ordinance to prohibit shark fishing along the beaches of the city of Treasure Island incorporating findings providing for repeal of ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict here within providing for severability and providing for an effective date.
I move to approve ordinance 2025-26 at this second and final public hearing. >> Second. >> We have a motion, a second. Any discussion? >> Hearing none and we have no public comment. >> City clerk, would you please call roll?
>> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. Commissioner Dicki, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. Next item, H5, second and final reading of ordinance 202527, vacating approximately 14,000 square
feet uh of an Ellie. An ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, approving the vacation of approximately 14,000 square ft 3214 acres of an alleyway located between 106th and 107th Avenue. a public ride rightway to retain
a utility easement over the 30 foot wide east west alleyway to retain a pedestrian easement over the 10- foot wide north south alleyway and providing for an effective date. >> I move to approve ordinance 2025-27 at this second and final reading. >> Second.
>> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? We do not have any public comment. So, city clerk, would you please call roll? Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I, Commissioner Sison, >> I, >> Commissioner Clark, >> I,
>> Commissioner Dicki, >> I, >> Mayor Doctor, >> I, >> H6, second and final reading of ordinance 2025 29, Treasure Island Code of Ethics. An ordinance to the city of Treasure Island, Florida, enacting a code of ethics for elected and appointed
officers, providing for standards of um conflict or conduct equal to or stronger than state law providing for implementation, training and enforcement, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date.
>> I move to approve ordinance 2025-29, Treasure Island Code of Ethics, at this second and final reading. Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Hearing none. And we do have one public comment. Robert Bo Bazo.
>> I saved it. That hurt. That hurt. Uh Rob Bazo just uh District One. Uh I I know a lot about ethics. You know my my career. You know what I've done. Uh kudos to uh Commissioner Dicki for raising this is really really great. A great staff. I don't want to hold it this up at all. I
think it should be approved tonight. But a couple of things. Uh section 3.7 deciding on the merits. One thing about this order does not include the word residence. Um I think it's it's a key word that should be here. Um 3.7 says uh commissioners will base decisions on the
facts and the and and the law applying fair processes and relevant criteria. I would like to add and when applicable the will of their constituents not on uh not on favoritism, pressure or irrelevant irrelevant considerations.
I think I I understand what we're trying to do here. Uh now ethics and morality are are the same word. Uh uh morals are what we internally guide us to making decisions. Ethics is an external an external some sort of a organization or
commission that tells us how to provide how to uh behave ethically. Um this is based I when you use the word self enforcing um doesn't exist. There's there's no
organization in this country or world that has a code of ethics that's self- enforcing. enforcing ethics has to be an external organization like a commission like Florida State has for instance. So right now there is no mechanism for the
resident like us to make a comment or make a complaint as we've all learned because some of us have gone through the process. The county and state see us as an incorporated city as being responsible for policing our own ethics which is why some of our complaints have
not gotten gotten approved. So, I like you to think about I know uh I know the city attorney knows about the city manager knows about red teaming. We've had a couple of instances of some ethics issues here. Apply one of those or two of those to this ordinance. And how would the
commission act? What would we do? How would you enforce it? Somewhere I want you to approve this tonight, but somewhere down the road there needs probably to be some sort of a resident group like the P&Z like code enforcement that is involved with an attorney to
look at some of these. Right now, there is no process for us to issue a complaint that's going to get attention. The county won't do it and the state won't do it because we're an incorporated city. So, again, kudos to uh to Commissioner Dicki. I want you to approve this tonight. It's a step forward, but no such thing as self-
enforcing. Code of ethics doesn't exist, but a good stab. Kudos to uh the Commissioner Dicki for kicking this off. It's a good start. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right, we'll close the public comment. Is there any further discussion
up here? Hearing none, would you please call the role? >> Vice Mayor Vasquez, >> I. Commissioner Sison, >> I. Commissioner Clark. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Dicki. >> I, >> Mayor Doctor, >> I, >> H7, second file, and reading ordinance 202528 to approve the fiscal year 2026
fee schedule. >> An ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, establishing a fee schedule and adopting appendix A as the city of Treasure Island fee schedule, providing for severability, providing for conflict, providing for cotification, and providing for an effective date.
I move to adopt ordinance number 2025-28 adopting the citywide fee schedule as an appendix to a appendix A to the code of ordinance to be effective December 1st, 2025 at this second and final public reading.
>> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion to second. Any discussion? I just I just wanted to mention that I will be voting opposed to this uh not because of the uh rate increase for the uh
for the wastewater uh increase but for the parking increase. >> All right. We do not have any public comment. Um would you please call the role? >> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. Commissioner Sison. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark.
>> I. Commissioner Dicki. >> No. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. >> All right. Moving on. First reading of ordinance 202533, mandatory lot mowing program. >> I move to table ordinance 2025-33.
>> So, I don't know. Um, Mr. manager or mayor, how do you want um >> would you like me to just speak to it for a second or give her a second? >> Please do. >> So, uh we've done a lot of work on this, hashed through it again as late as this
afternoon. Um there's going to be uh a lot of administration to do this kind of a program. uh which the best I can tell will require at least one administrator
of said program that I would house in the code enforcement office. Um that would require an FTE and a budget amendment that I would need to bring back to you guys for your approval. Um
we've kind of teed it up with about 200 complaints that we know of. Um, we've uh used uh community-based volunteers that have chipped that away about 10%. I think there were 19 uh yards that people
mitigated their own circumstance after the notice of violation, but that's only 10% and this is only going to increase. We just hired and got on board uh I think two weeks ago a code enforcement supervisor. Um, so just the the back and
forth administration of this program, keeping up with it, keeping up with uh the maintenance crew, which would be outsourced to cut the grass when we don't have volunteers or people don't come into compliance themselves. Um, so
I I just think I could bring you a complete product on November 18th to to vote in that would contain everything we need to establish something that would be effective. So, you're basically asking us to table it to the 18th.
>> You can adopt the resolution tonight, but I think it would and you help me out, city attorney. >> Yeah, I can give you an over an overview. I think the um there's a couple changes that staff had recommended. one instead of a $100 administrative fee, $250
um for the administrative fee because of the estimated time that it would take staff to do because so normal code enforcement, we're just code enforcing them, sending them notice, and then it comes before code enforcement board. This is a little bit different process. What you have is we we will still have 6
in for grass in the code enforcement under beautifification but this ordinance the intent of it is to fall under the health safety and welfare police powers that the commission has and that triggers a little bit of a different process. So at once you get to 10 in it's considered health safety and
welfare issue because of snakes rodents various other things that we know in high grass can can be a result of this and it it's legal to do. Um, but what you essentially do is you have a lot of due process built in there and you would notify the resident. They have a chance
to fix it themselves. If if they and they also have a chance to do a written request to um appear before either a special magistrate or the code enforcement board at that point. But if they don't fix it, then after 14 days uh
period of time, then they have and they've already in theory been noticed for the 6 in. So now we're at 10 in. then they can do an abatement. We can do an abatement process, but we don't typically do the abatement process for most code enforcement. So, that's where you're starting to get a little bit more of the administration piece of it
because the city would then uh engage the services of uh either a contractor that's already on file and has gone through the proper procedures, you know, procurement procedures or public works either or to go out and mow and or deal with because it's not always just
lawnmowing. there's the rodent issue. Sometimes there's trash and other things underneath some of these things and then um they have another appeals process afterwards because we then send them the bill and then attach that as a lean onto their property. And so because of that,
we you know went through a a process of trying to make sure that this can work effectively and it's um in terms of litigation and if someone wanted to sue that there's those due process things built in there. other cities do this um and have varying degrees of how they do
this. But as staff is discussing how to approach this, that type of thing, one of the the discussions came about that it would probably need an additional person. So, you could vote some of those amendments and changes and move the process forward and then they can bring back the staff position or you could
table it and then discuss that and bring that all um forward in a future meeting. I mean, I'm fine waiting to the next meeting, but this to me, this is something that absolutely has to get done. I mean, I cannot walk down my street without walking my dog anywhere
without being mauled by people who are complaining about these. I mean, there's and there's one four doors down from me that literally the door of the home has never been open since the flood. And and the place is just sitting there and the yard is almost up to the roof. And the people that live by it say there's big
snakes in there and stuff and they're like, "Why aren't you getting something done? Why aren't you getting I'm" I'm like, "I'm trying." You know? So, >> I'd like to see us move forward with it. But I do have uh some thoughts because I did read through it. So, um I was wondering if you could share the
thoughts and maybe move it forward and then based on your recommendations bring back something else in a future meeting. >> So, I mean uh it has to be more comprehensive in my opinion. I think it has to include seeding or solding the property within 14 days of demolition
unless they're starting construction within 30 days of demolition. Grass should be 6 to8 in maximum height and cut within 48 hours and specifically no removal of driveway between lot property line and pavement. um cuz there's a lot
of in the rainy season we had a lot of puddling um in that area and I do believe daily fine should definitely be 250 per day. So that's it. I will say on the seating and soding, um
I had actually a contractor that lives in my neighborhood, but he's not building a house, but he has a neighbor who well there's actually two lots beside him and they've been torn down and just sitting there and it's literally a dust bowl because we haven't
had any rain and on these windy days it is awful. I don't have that around me, but I can only imagine how horrible that is. So on the um I didn't know he had built a house on um one of the beaches
and they required if you aren't building back immediately the seating and soding. So um that is something I don't know if it would be on the same one or >> Yeah, that's those are um certainly some suggestions that have been made by others and could be incorporated. My
recommendation would be not to kind of wedge that into the grass mowing specifically, but add that into the appropriate part of the code and we can do that. We could certainly bring that as a separate ordinance um in next meeting um because >> you're talking demolition whereas with
the grass we're talking an abatement process for nuisance. So, but those are good suggestion. We could certainly um if the So maybe you could take a vote on whether you want us to incorporate those particular things into updating the code and an ordinance for a future meeting
and then we could maybe address the specific uh amendments that you want to the lawn ordinance like the 250 administrative fee and that type of thing. >> Is that you? >> Makes sense. >> Yeah, makes sense. >> It's all fine with me. >> Do we want to table it or do we want to continue moving it?
>> So what is your recommendation? Do we move it forward? And >> um I mean you certainly can. What I would would say is if we're going to do a whole bunch of changes, then it would need to start at the beginning. Again, um if you're making just a tweak on the
administrative fee and a few things, but mostly moving it forward, then it then this could function as the first reading. >> I think it's very important that we move this forward and let this function at the first as the first reading because I I got a lot of issues with that with this. >> I agree.
Okay. So then what I would recommend if you know is do the a motion um to amend to add the 250 um admin fee >> and then what were the other staff recommendations
>> I think that dollar amount is the the main >> one just understanding that that it will probably require an additional person but that doesn't necessarily need to be in the ordinance that will be a budget amendment and a um FTE at at a later date. So,
>> and then yours I we can just you can give us direction of staff to bring back an ordinance that affects that aspect of the >> I think we should do the seating and siding thing too. I'm good with that. >> Yeah, >> but that doesn't need to be all in the same boat. >> But separate. Yeah. Get that going >> and we'll just bring that because we'll
want to make sure that it aligns correctly in the right part of the code and that type of thing. So, >> all right. Okay. Well, I move I rescend my previous motion and move to approve ordinance 2025-33 on the first reading amending
the admin daily fee of $250 and to schedule a second reading and public hearing. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? We have no public comment. So would you
please call the role? >> Vice Mayor Vazquez >> I. >> Commissioner Clark >> I. >> Commissioner Sison >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki >> I. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. >> And just to clarify that was on the just the amendment. So then now you would need to actually vote on the ordinance.
Um unless was your motion I maybe I misheard it. Was it proposed? >> Included the ordinance >> including Okay. >> It just amended the fee the administration fee ad admin fee to 250. >> As long as there's unanimous approval then that's fine then. as long as it wins. >> Let me uh get some clarity on one issue
is commissioner said $250 a day >> fine as opposed to administrative fee. >> So the administrative fee is just a flat fee that we say this is how much it's going to cost for us to do the the essentially the paperwork and all the
process but then there's additional hard costs that will be included. So the actual mowing is a separate cost that will be build based on how much that costs purely how much it cost recording the lean that will be passed on to the homeowner the violator purely based on
the hard cost for that if they have to do any abatement related to you know rat infestation snakes that kind of thing that will be passed on to the homeowner all of that and then the stat the ordinance talks about it refers to a Florida statute that allows for interest
to be collected based on the recording of the lean and and in accordance with the way Florida statute does that um code enforcement um separate is a separate process that and we once a board rules on a code enforcement
violation then they can come back and attach fines to this. But what what will happen in this case is they'll get a notice, they'll have the it's a different slightly different process because it's the nuisance and we haven't really done this with a lot of other things before. They'll get the notice,
they'll have the opportunity to rectify. If they don't, we then step in. That's different than code enforcement stuff where they're just accumulating fines over time because that we aren't stepping in and doing anything. We're just saying you have to do something or you're continuing to accumulate. In this
case, we're stepping in and abating it, doing something about it by mowing it, by rectifying it. So then what happens is we send them a bill. If they pay the bill, everything's good. If they don't, then that goes as a lean on their house. And then eventually, if they're nonh homesteaded, then we can foreclose on
their house to recoup the lean. So, >> okay. >> As clear as mud? >> No, no, that's that's very clear. >> It's it's sort of code enforcement, but they're two different processes. That's why I said at 6 feet, you're in the code enforcement or 6 in you're in the code enforcement grass land of
beautifification. This is a pro. Once you get to 10 in of grass height, then you're suddenly in the health, safety, and welfare and we're moving into new new uh nuisance and then the abatement process, which is a little bit separate and different.
>> All right. And I it sounds like uh what you described, we're going to recover all of our money that we the $250 administrative fee pays for part of it. We're going to bill them for if we have somebody go and mow it. Is it going to be a lean? It sounds like there's enough
severe punishment in there adding $250 a day and definitely just seems like it's >> the goal is compliance um not to start a lawnmowing company. Um and and the goal is yeah the the challenge is there will probably be a delay a lag time in some
cases on collection but especially if it's nonhomesteaded ultimately if you're an LLC and you own a house and you're trying to sell that house and there's a cloud over it because the city you owe the city money they're motivated to either pay for it or or do something about it. And right now we send them
notices and there's the code enforcement process is a lot longer um process whereas this kind of gets us to where we need to faster to clean it up. Uh especially on the non resident folks that are own own it but live somewhere else kind of thing. So
>> who would have the authority to wave part of the fee or some of the fee or whatever? you guys would ultimately um if it's if they come before you um they could come before or you could the um but the when they get the bill there's
also there's two um appeals processes built in and it's the reason for that is just to make sure there's that due process to to make it where if someone sues that courts have generally I looked I went into depth of like when when these kinds of things are litigated what do courts look for and a big part of it
is due process and appeals proc process And there's two appeals processes. On the front end, they can appeal and say, "Hey, this isn't 10 in high. It's not really a problem if they think that code enforcement got it wrong." And then on the back end, they can say, "Well, you
know, why did the lawn guy charge $7,000 if it was, I'm not saying it would be, but they can challenge the cost that they have been acrewed to." But in both cases, they have to do a written request for that, which is listed out in the ordinance. So, they have two steps where they can appeal it, but then ultimately
if it isn't appealed, then it's a lean on their property, but you guys have um authority in certain cases to reduce leans and that type of thing if you so choose. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Works for me.
>> So, now are we ready for the roll call or have I think we already did it? >> Did we did it? >> Yeah, we voted already. Yeah, I just was clarifying that it was for the amendment and the actual ordinance. So, >> okay. >> Remember >> and you I can't remember because it's
been Did we do public comment if they wanted? >> Yes, there was. Perfect. Yep. So, >> all right. >> Trying to keep >> moving on to H9 extension of emergency ordinance 202523. Um, so this one, my phone or computer
just blanked out on me, but um, this one requires is kind of unique because of the emergency motion. It requires a twothirds vote per Florida statute. So four four of you would have to vote in favor of it. It's just the extension of the 60 days on the waiver of the train model. And Commissioner Clark had asked
earlier, what's, you know, how long can you extend it? The answer more specifically is you just have to continually um assert that there's an immediate and serious menace, which I think you guys have grounds for that, but just, you know, clarify that we're doing we're extending this based on
emergency. Maybe include that in the motion. Um and then the and and so you couldn't you wouldn't want to extend it for two years or something like that because then the emergency's over. that court should probably look on that disfavorably, but staff is working on
updates to this and they'll be bringing those and they they can be passed through the permanent process. Okay. >> Okay. >> Sorry, I'm making my note. >> Okay. an emergency ordinance in accordance with section 3.1 of the city charter uh
repealing certain sections of chapter 69 marine structures and commercial fishing and chapter 76 storm water and providing emergency relief from the terrain modification manual requirements providing for severability providing for conflict providing for cotification and
providing for an effective date >> I move to approve a 60-day extension to emergency ordinance 2025 523 due to the emergency situation due to three hurricanes. >> So, a second.
>> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Nope. >> I I'd like to just mention here I I did uh check in with community development uh uh yesterday about how well the first emergency has worked for them and they
are down to only one outstanding permit that involves the drainage plant. So, they're caught completely up. So, I think extending this until we've made the necessary changes in the uh and formalizing the drainage plan to make it a lot uh easier than the terrain
modification uh plan. I think this is the good good thing to do uh to hold us over until we have those changes in place. >> Great. Thank you. >> Okay. So, you've already done the motion. Roll call, please. Vice Mayor Vasquez I.
Commissioner Dicki. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Clark. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Seson. >> Hi. >> Mayor Doctor. >> H10. Non-exclusive license agreement with Two Mermaids Beach Resort for parking access. >> I move to table this for further
negotiations and I would be happy to explain that. You want to explain it? >> I can't. I didn't know if you wanted. >> No. >> Um, did I get a second before I or no >> second? >> Okay. I didn't want to step ahead.
>> Okay. So, we have a motion at that second in discussion. >> Yeah. I What do you have in mind? >> I since I tabled it, I just if you don't mind, Ardan, I'd like to kick it off. Um, and knowing you, we probably are going to be on the same wavelength on this one. So, I did some homework on
this and quite frankly, the city is getting ripped off and that's the nice way to put it. Um, and how to my knowledge and correct me if I am
wrong, Victor. Um the question was asked today if they have been paying um for the parking um currently or if we have um the have they been paying for the parking spaces? >> Right now they they do not have a contract with us since like about five
six months ago. So they had not been paying this parking. >> Okay. So to give you a comparison, we're we're wanting to do this for $8,000 for eight spaces. So that's $1,000 a space. If you go one block over to 101st
Avenue, there are three spaces there. Same kind of layout, sand parking lot, um not anything fancy, but three spaces. Those three spaces, and feel free to stop me if I'm wrong on any of this. Um
those three spaces um average about $1,852 a month, times 12 is 22,224 for three spaces. So if you >> What street was that? >> That's 101st. >> Thank you. >> I apologize. I don't think I said that.
It's one block over because this is 102nd. >> So if you take that average and you times it by eight spaces, um that comes to 59,264,000. >> I think your numbers are wrong, though.
I've I've been uh working with going back to Gary Brum. It's that's you're saying it's a month, but it actually is those our numbers are. >> No, I said $1,800 a month, >> right? And they are not $1,800. >> That's for all three spaces.
All three spaces come to $1852 a month is what they're making an average a month for those three spaces. >> Victor, >> I don't have those numbers with me. >> I'd be happy to report back as well. and what it basically we should
>> that's why I want to table it because basically even if you take the eight grand out of it that would leave the city at losing 51,000 and change in revenue that we're not getting off of those parking. Now one thing that disturbs me on the tableing and I think
it's something that we do need to address is they haven't paid for parking spaces in eight months. We have a sign that says Treasure Island Beach Access there. I thought I had a picture of it, but I do
have a picture of in our eight spots. They have no parking towway zone. The Two Mermaids in those eight spots, even though it says Treasure Island Beach Access parking, >> we're not collecting any revenue for those parkings at the moment. So,
>> so they are towing people off of our parking spots that they are not paying for. >> Are they here? >> And that is a huge issue. A huge issue. We haven't collected any revenues in eight. So, these towway
signs, I think, need to be gone yesterday. And they or we have not been collecting revenue for eight months. And they're towing cars out of there. So, that's a huge huge issue.
Um, >> let's go ahead and you you've already >> I have a lot more motion for tableing it. >> Absolutely. >> And I think there was a second and I'm and I'm also in favor of that, but I just wanted to add a little more uh context to this. This came up about a
year ago and uh and I I pushed back on it with the previous uh when Mike Munger was not Mike Mer. Yeah. when he was still here as the as the uh finance director and and they came in with something even significantly lower than
what's on here. And I used what he gave me at that time, which he said we were collecting about $2,600 a year per parking spot. That was on average and and uh I've been working with Victor. We don't have an average yet, but if you do the 2600
>> I do, Commissioner. >> You do? Yes. >> What is it? the the average is about uh $2,580 per parking space. >> All right. You're right at the 2600 that that Mike had uh that Mike had had shared with me. But anyway, that would
be uh let's see what' you say 2580 times eight spots. That's uh 20,000 a year. Almost 21,000. And so even this 8,000 is uh is significantly uh less than that. I uh in fairness to Two
Mermaids, I will I did learn more about the the historical uh they have no parking spaces, right? >> And apparently when G Boulevard was widened, it took away their parking spaces and the city at that time made some kind of agreement with them so that they could
>> stay in business. So, so the argument for keeping it, you know, I guess artificially low was uh was to allow them to stay in business. And I definitely am not saying we shouldn't give some type of discount. >> A discount, but
>> that much of a discount spreadsheet with the numbers. >> Yeah, we definitely need a spreadsheet with the numbers for sure. >> What number? What? What do you >> like comparison parking lots? >> Oh, >> you're tasking commissioner, not my final. >> You're tasking commissioner Dicki, not
Victor. Correct. I'll tell you what, let's give Victor something to work with because what you're asking uh vice mayor fastques is that we push that we negotiate with them a little bit more. So what's on the what's what's on the proposal before us is $8,000 a year.
>> If we gave them a 50% discount, and I'm only suggesting that because again, they need these parking spaces to run their business. uh if if they uh if I'm suggesting that we may be discounted by 50% so therefore we would collect 1100
or 11,320 a year. >> I think I would I still want to see actual numbers. I agree with Commissioner Clark. I'd like to see a spreadsheet with an average of the parking spaces around there because our numbers are a little off. So I just and
by no means am I saying mine are correct. I just I just know for eight months we haven't been collecting anything and that I knew came from Victor >> and they have towway signs and they've been towing cars away that park there and we have not been collecting one
penny and that is a huge issue. So, and I I think there's a lot of different things we need to look at on this too because um I do know the historical value of it and how they lost their parking and such. Um, >> well, there's there's a lot of issues with this property. >> Very well. And
>> uh it is it it used to be right there used to be a long-term family that that owned it. Yes. >> It got sold and the next day it ended up on >> um the a real estate sheet that basically you could buy, you know, a
home on this lot. And it even said that you got eight parking spots. >> Eight free parking spots. >> Yeah. And it's kind of like no, as soon as anything got it was sold, it would trans transfer back to the city and >> and if I'm correct, didn't they buy it
for like in the threes? >> Yes. >> And then it was put on the MLS at 8.9 million selling it with eight parking spots. table that because yeah there is a lot that we can get together and >> so based on the instruction I'm going to
bring some analysis of the area for the parking spaces cost >> and then uh you discuss what price we put in the contract in the next meeting. >> Perfect. And then what can we do as far as because this is going to take a little bit to do the towway signs and us
not getting any money for it and >> that's just a matter of us uh having them take them down. >> That's well that's it. I that's why I'm trying to >> Do you want to instruct someone >> to instruct the staff? Is that some >> code >> enforcement? If we could do that >> look into that and somebody's got a
crowbar, we'll figure it out. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> We have a motion and a second to table it. >> Victor, do you have anything else? Yeah, I was going to ask if the intention is to make a deal with them and lease the
parking with them will be enough because I can send a communication with them. Will be enough just to them to block that sign of towing and not do not tow anybody or >> I'd say don't tow anyone. >> I mean they would have to block I mean
they would have to blank the signs out because it I mean it's very plain to see. Are are they open for business? >> I don't believe so. >> I drove by there a couple days ago and it didn't look like they were even open for business right now.
>> So, they didn't pay their business tax for I believe two years and they just paid it last month. >> Okay. >> Got it. >> We'll find out if they're planning on opening because Sanovations is around the corner. So, we probably utilize those spots for revenue.
>> Definitely. >> That's my big thing right now. Immediate action is is just We have a motion to table and a second. Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki,
>> I. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. >> All right. Uh, H11, approve city manager purchase authority to enter into construction contract with Qualis General Contractors LLC for the construction of six pickle ball courts
at Roselli Park. I'll get my house burned down if I don't motion to approve this one. I move to approve I'm looking at two of you right now. I move to authorize the city manager
purchase authority with is it quis >> general contractors LLC in the amount of option A of 356,281 uh for construction of six pickle ball courts at Rosselli Park. Oh, I have to pick an option. I'm sorry.
>> Yeah, that's something we got to that's something we have to discuss. The option. >> Yeah, >> right. >> Hold please. So there is a a softer material. >> Yeah. And it's like $18,000 more. >> Well, it's three just over $3,000 per court.
>> Yeah. And I just I I've heard from all the pickle ballers that, you know, that would be and I play pickle ball. That would be very good to have. And I just think if you're going to spend $300 and something thousand, what's another $18,000? So to do it, if you're going to do it, do it right. As my dad used to always tell me.
>> We didn't need to say anything. We're making this case for him. Nice job. So, I just think if we're going to do it, we should do it right. And that would be the way to do it, right? >> I agree. >> I agree to uh approve it with the cushion surface. >> You want me to go ahead and do it? >> All right. Make motion.
>> I move to approve and authorize the city manager's purchase authority to Quellis General Contractors LLC in the amount of option A at 356,28110 for construction of six pickle ball courts at Rosselli Park. Second.
>> Ken, that is the more expensive version. Yes. Okay. >> Okay. We have a motion and a second. >> You kidding me? I have my neighbors looking at me. >> Uh yeah, exactly. And so we've got uh Robert. >> Do you guys not have to speak since we
did the cushioning? >> Yeah, >> we made it easy. >> Close. >> I I have to say something. I mean, it's been a year and a half in the process. Great work, Mike. Great work, Kathy. 42 years, she's seen it all. Um, yeah, this
is kind of a no-brainer. Thank you, Commissioner Vasquez. Thank you for protecting my knees. I'm get I'm getting old. Cushion works. This is a great investment. It's a It's a It's a big deal. I think we should need to have a big commissioning thing, ribbon cutting in like three months, you know, maybe
March or April. I think a big party. >> Number one. Uh, no. I mean, kudos. I mean, how much have we built in the last couple of years? This is a big deal. Not only because it's a it's it's me. Um, but it's it's a big deal. We're actually building something that has morale,
welfare, and recreation things. It's a it's a big deal, people. We got what, 200 people or so. We don't group. >> I love golf, but pickle ball is is paradise. Um, we can age into this. It's a really good deal. It's a it's a big deal. It's a kudo to you all. Kudo to
the staff here. We're gonna have a big party. Thank you. >> Agree. >> I presume you're Michael. >> Yes, he is. >> Michael Fergan Capri. Um, following Boss, I've declined to uh communicate any more information. I want to thank
you, Mike. Um, I was going to just go through some of the facts relative to the growth of the sport. I don't think it's necessary now, but I I will someday like to share it because it might influence what we do at Treasure Bay. That's all I'm saying for now. Thank you for your time.
>> Great. Thank you, Michael. >> All right, moving on. We got a little We've got a vote, don't we? >> Vice Mayor Vazquez. >> Yep. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki, >> I. >> Mayor Doctor,
>> I. >> Next item. State Fire Marshall Cancer Decontamination Grant Award acceptance. I move to accept the state of Florida Decontamination equipment grant program
funding in the amount of $35,373 and appropriate $11,766.91 from the city's insurance proceeds to satisfy the 25% match requirement. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. And we
have a speaker. Yeah, I'm here to answer any questions, but uh if you did vote against that and they did burn your house down, we need this equipment to clean our gear. So, thank you for uh proving that. Uh but yeah, this is important to us. Um 72% of our online
duty deaths are cancer related and um this equipment will help us decon and clean that equipment appropriately. Right now, um, our standard process is we get back to the station, we bag it up on the scene, we get back to the station, take our take our bunker gear
to a neighboring station, have them clean it for us while we wait for it. So, we're out of service for an hour, hour and a half out of the city. Um, and then the the other the additional one is the uh the hard gear washer. um that is uh new to our industry and it'd be a
great asset to us cuz right now what we do with our life packs, uh air packs, our our our flashlights and everything, we just scrub and clean as best we can. But they they still off gas and the off gas is what's killing the firefighters, the off gasing. Now offging just
continually happens until you clean it properly. And without this type of machinery, we can't clean it properly. So, with the approval of this um $11,000, we can make sure that we reduce the cancer risk tremendously of our firefighters. So, we're asking you for
to vote in favor of this. >> Great. Thank you. Any questions? >> I will uh just a little side note. Um when I did the the fire um what is it called? I can't think of the name of it. >> Oneonone ops. >> That's what it was. the one-on-one ops
in the discussion after. I did not realize that the number one killer of firefighters was cancer. So, I'm actually really glad to see this on there. And it's one of the reasons I'm excited for the new public safety building because I've also saw what you had before where now you can actually
have a room where you can go and do all of that in as well. >> And this equipment would move from our temporary to our permanent stations. >> That is wonderful. So, I'm absolutely thrilled and you guys already saved us once of a disaster when Mike's little boat blew up and it could have easily
burned our other boat up and you guys acted very quickly. So, um so thank you for that. But I'm actually really glad to see this on there. >> Thank you. >> All right. Any other questions? No, no questions. All right. And we have uh no public comment.
Um please call roll. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. Commissioner Sison. >> I. Commissioner Clark. >> I, >> Commissioner Dicki, >> I. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. >> Thank you very much. >> And our last item for tonight other than our commissioner reports is approve
resolution 202524 for appointment and contract of city attorney. >> There it is. I move to approve the contract and resolution 2025-24 appointing VO law firm as city attorney
effective >> would that be >> but no how about November 18th >> November 18th >> two weeks from today >> so yeah the contract says the 4th um that was um tonight that was the contract >> for you guys to work together though you >> but yeah you're you're certainly able to
to amend as you see fit but um just letting you know clarifying But the fourth would be >> that would give him a two week overlap. They did it on the >> So I'm gonna go um city for effective November 4th. >> No, no, I think he it would give him a
two week layover or not layover Gavin here for 30 days. >> Right. So for November 18th, they would have two weeks Yeah. to work together. >> Correct. But okay. >> I thought you >> We're ready to start tomorrow or we could start on the 18th. Either way. I
mean, I thought the original was so that you guys could work together. That's why I don't know why we're waiting till >> that's why we'd work together for more than two weeks if you wanted to. Maybe only two weeks. We could wait two weeks to get started. >> I think Ardan saying work together the last two weeks, not the first. >> I'm asking though, what what is the
general consensus? Do you want them to work together four weeks or two weeks or kind of what's the consensus there? It's a uh financially it's about a $16,000 difference. So it's not >> Yeah, it's not drastic. >> Not huge, but but anyway, it's
>> I got it. >> Well, let's ask uh let's ask Ralph. >> Yeah, you are transition. >> Yeah. No, no, Ralph on transition. We could ask Gavin, too. Yeah. >> So, I think Gavin's ready to stay. >> I don't have a preference either way. And um we already we call it right seat,
left seat in the military, but this meeting he watched, observed. next meeting he'll be sitting in in on the 18th and in between that we're going to be a whole lot and have him CCed on all emails and that type of thing. We've already been in communication. So, uh it just really is ultimately what what the
city wants to do from a financial impact standpoint. So, >> gentlemen, what's your thoughts? >> I think I think two weeks overlap is sufficient. Yeah, I agree.
>> I agree. You >> agree. All right. So, effective date 11:118 >> 2025. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? And we have no
>> just on the resolution. It should say November 4th instead of October 4th on the bottom. >> Good catch. Oops. Where did I put it? There it is. H2. There's just a typo. >> Well, and you guys are amending it anyways to make it effective.
>> November 18th. >> November 18th. >> We'll type that in. >> Okay. Okay. >> Sounds good. >> Okay. So, we just need a roll call. Yep. Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Sison.
>> Hi. >> Mayor Doctor. >> I. >> All right. That is the end of our items. So now we'll move on to the commissioner reports.
All right. So I wanted to mention the awesome um ICA island is of Capri Community Association. They did a great job with the Halloween um get together
neighborhood thing they did down Capri Boulevard. We had tons of people and it was an absolutely wonderful event. So, I just wanted to give a a huge thank you to them. And I think that's something that all the islands should consider because we had people coming from other
other neighborhoods saying that how much they loved that the kids weren't having to walk up and down every single one. So, um might be something just to look at moving forward and it ended up being a really cool block party. Um just a couple of reminders. Um, November 11th
at 11:00 a.m. starting at Roselli. I'm sorry. Starting at Paradise, um, is the Veterans Parade. There are going to be It's going to be bigger than it's ever been. Wh >> I apologize.
>> Is the actual >> That's the That's Memorial Day. I have something for that one, too. Sorry. Sunday, November 9th. >> 11th is Veterans Day on Tuesday. I have something for that, too. But November 9th at 11:00 a.m., um, we have the
Veterans Parade starts at Paradise and ends at the community center. Uh, starts at 11:00 a.m. And I, it looks like it's going to be bigger than it's ever been. And this is a really important one because it's also celebrating um our local um um,
>> yes, our local post reopening 158. That's I forgot to write that down. Post 158 is reopening. So, it's going to be a great parade. If you aren't in it, definitely somewhere along the way, try to get out and just support. There's going to be a lot of uh veterans uh in
the parade on golf carts. So, get out and support that on November 9th. on November 11th on actual uh Veterans Day at 2 PM um the new Veterans Memorial um in Madera Beach. It's right on the
Madera the Madera Beach side of Tom Stewart Causeway right by the 911 memorial. They have a beautiful um memorial veterans memorial they've put in there um that starts at 2 o'clock. It's the ribbon cutting. Um, so
definitely if you get a chance to go out there and see that and support that grand opening on Veterans Day, um, that would be awesome. Um, we know Sanding Ovations is coming. Um, we have, uh, the weekend before and the weekend after Thanksgiving, so definitely mark your
calendars for that. Um, on November 12th, so we're going right right in a row. Wednesday, November 12th, I am doing my November chat with your commissioner. Um that will start at 5:30 on Wednesday, November 12th. That will be on the fifth floor. Um I was told to
make sure and tell everybody to try and use the first floor elevators. So um to get to the fifth floor, but that is on November 12th. And last but not least, I am very happy to say um on the agenda
next at our next uh meeting uh the Roselli playground uh covers I believe is am I correct? It's still going to be on that agenda is yes. Well, it should be on that agenda to approve um the covers the new
covers for the Roselli playground. Um, it is even when it's cooler days since the tree got taken out by the hurricane. I have gotten several calls from moms and grandmas of how hot it is out there with the artificial turf and the slides and the swings. So, I'm happy to say
that Kathy and Mike worked hard on this and found a more reasonable price um to cover this playground so that the kids can get out there and play. So, hopefully it should be on the agenda. um the next agenda to approve with you
guys. So, I'm very happy about that. And that's it. >> Commissioner Clark, >> um I just have two things. Well, the main thing was the lawn uh mowing program, but we got that all taken care of. So, that's what I my residents are talking about to me daily. Um secondly,
also just look out, be on the lookout. I'm going to be having another also commissioner uh pizza party uh sometime here um in November December time frame. So, be on the lookout for that and I hope to see everybody at Sanding Ovations. >> Great.
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out of Treasure Island immediately following Saturday's fireworks finale. Chief, >> no. Yes. Another grant. >> My helicopter budget season. Absolutely. >> Sweet.
>> Love that. I love that. >> Charlie, you can fly us out. >> All right. the Penllis County beach reourishment project officially reached Treasure Island uh yesterday. Uh they began work on the south end of Sunset
Beach during construction. Uh Sunset Beach from the Rock Jetty to the southern tip will be an active work zone and closed to the public. Uh I found out that the hard way at the end of my run last night. I had to go backwards. I couldn't go through the construction
zone. It was it was pretty well uh fenced off. Uh but anyway, the the Turn parking lot and the Sunset Beach Pavilion playground will be closed uh during the time during this uh construction time for safety purposes. Uh they're expected the work to last
another couple of weeks before the crews move uh to northern sections of Sunset Beach. And that's all I have. >> Boy, being last, it's tough. Uh the one thing I do want to say though is that uh
the American Legion I've been uh since July I've been saying two weeks cuz that's what they kept telling me and it was two weeks and it's two weeks and today it's two weeks and it'll be probably in two weeks it'll be two weeks but no I I think that uh they're going to open up and um uh there's a lot of
work that's been done over there and uh um I'm going to be walking in the Veterans Day parade uh with my wife And uh I'm gonna have two things. I'm gonna have my my mayor shirt on and I'm also going to have my cover for uh for the
American Legion because I also serve as an officer for the Sons of the American Legion. And uh we're I'll tell you what, we're very happy to uh to get back into our own building. We've been sharing with the folks over in St. Pete. We appreciate everything they've done for
us. But, uh, this one is like when you're sleeping, uh, in hotels and then you go home, you know, it's going to be that type of effect that we'll enjoy being back home. So, thank you very much. And >> Mr. Mayor one, just since it's my uh,
last meeting with the microphone, I just want to say thank you all for the opportunity to serve as the interim uh, attorney. Obviously, it came about spur of the moment, but um, it's been an honor and obviously I'll see you around, but thanks so much for the opportunity to serve as your interim. So >> thank you.
>> And we are adjourned.