We are on. Okay. Welcome to the city of Treasure Island Planning and Zoning Board meeting for October 23rd, 20125. If you wish to speak on a topic which is on today's agenda, a speaker's card is available on that table over to my left
near the entrance and must be completed and given to the chairperson. Please do not address the board from your seat, but rather from the podium where your comments can be heard by all and recorded as required by Florida statute. Unscheduled topics may be presented under the public comments of the ag
section of the agenda. Okay. If we uh could all silence our cell phones and stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> See, Gary, Ross isn't going to make it. But anyway, okay. Could we have the roll call to you? >> Valerie,
>> here. >> Gary Patenziano >> here. >> Mark Zojeski >> here. >> Christopher Dawning >> here. >> Daniel Daniel Billingsley >> Billingsley here. >> Grant Smith >> here. >> Richard Harris >> here. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Uh, we had some uh do we need to swear Daniel Billingsley in first? He has arrived. >> You're going to go ahead raise your right hand and repeat after me. I state your name. >> I, Daniel Billingsley, >> do solemnly swear
>> do solemnly swear >> that I will support, protect, and defend >> that I will support, protect, and defend >> the Constitution and government >> the Constitution and government >> of the United States >> of the United States >> and of the State of Florida >> and of the State of Florida. And I will well >> and I will well >> and faithfully perform
>> and faith faithfully perform >> the duties on the planning and zoning board >> the duties of the planning and zoning board >> and local planning agency >> and local planning agency >> of the city of Treasure Island, Florida >> of the city of Treasure Island, Florida >> on which I'm about to enter. >> of which I'm about to enter. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Okay, we did have some uh minutes of the meetings from September 18th. Have everybody took a look at those. Any problems or could we have a motion to approve? >> I'll I'll move to approve the minutes of September 18th, 2025. >> A second. >> Second. Second.
>> All right. All in favor? >> I >> I. >> Any oppose? Hearing none. Those are approved. Status update on prior planning and zoning cases. Uh Jesse, uh the main ones we always want to know about is the first section. just doesn't
sound like much is happening with our favorite gas station in town. >> Uh, not really. Um, there's still debating back and forth with FDOT right now. Um, possibly because of like a median thing just for traffic. Um, basically for delivering fuel and the
turning radius is the issues right now that we're working through. >> But they are still in contact it sounds like. >> Yep. Uh, yeah. I believe it was maybe 3 weeks ago we sat down with a meeting with them and FD FDOT to try to um resolve the issues.
>> The um any other changes on the on the other ones here? >> Uh no, pretty much um just for some of the new board members. Um everything that's highlighted is pretty much the only thing that's changed. So if you have any questions or comments, concerns about any of these, uh hopefully I will
do my best to answer them. >> Any questions for Jesse on those? Seeing none, we'll keep on moving. U hearing procedures. Go for it, Gavin. So, >> I think most of you are familiar with
this, but I'll just do a quick overview. You guys are um under the sunshine law, meaning you can't talk to each other outside of advertised meetings on anything that is before um or conceivably could be before your board. So you can ask how how family is, that
type of thing, but just can't talk about items of business outside of these publicly advertised meetings. These meetings are what's called quasi judicial, and that just simply means it's not completely like a court hearing, but it has similarities in the
sense of due process and hearing both sides of an issue before making a decision. And one of the things that aspects of these hearings is that um you want to disclose if there has been any kind of what's called exparte communication for the non-Latin speakers
um in in the room, myself included, but just means um outside of this hearing uh communication. So if someone came up to you and said, "Hey, I really want you to vote for this." You just have to disclose that on the record. And the reason for that is simply that everything needs to be in the sunshine
and be very clear so that the record is clear what you guys used in your determination on voting. Um it's not exactly like a hearing uh in a courtroom in the sense of the rules of evidence that type of thing but both sides will have an opportunity to present. You guys
will have an opportunity to ask questions that type of thing. Um, and so that's the general overview and uh I think I'll just if anyone has any questions um open it up for that. >> All righty.
Uh if anybody is going to speak today, please be sworn in. >> Please stand and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony and evidence you're about to give before the planning and zoning board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. >> All right. Anybody got any exparte communication they need to talk about on any of these four cases today? If not, we'll get into our first case,
the Norend building way at the north end. Case number A. ASPC-000057-2025 dash 12007 12,700 G Boulevard special exception used to
request to allow food service and alcoholic beverage establishment as a accessory use within an existing 21 unit hotel. The applicant is here. Please approach the podium and uh state what you want to do. >> All righty. Thank you all for hearing us
today. Um so we >> can you give your uh >> Oh, sorry. >> Name and address. >> Name and address. All right. Phil Rooney uh 2211 Greenway South, St. Pete, Florida. >> Anything else? >> No, you're good. >> All right, >> go for it. >> So, we had purchased this hotel to
renovate it. It had been an old time share. Um, after the hurricane, we dug into the building and found that the pipes were bad, the electric was bad, the HVAC was bad. The only thing that was good was a concrete. So, it's been
an odyssey to, uh, get to the point where we can, you know, safely say we've got the funds raised, everything's happening, um, to finish the building and it'll be a very nice new building. Um the challenge is that the financials of
a 21 unit hotel when you're talking about the value of an acre of beachfront land in Treasure Island, they don't work out. I mean, we're looking at rooms are about $450 square ft. It's almost $400 a foot of dirt per room. Um I don't know
how much you know about the economics of hotels, but that doesn't work. Um, so getting the lenders, getting the investors comfortable fundamentally was a challenge and when the city changed the code to allow special exception use of um, food and beverage, that was
essentially our saving grace in this project. Um, and so what we're trying to do that supplements really the project financially and makes it viable. So what we're trying to do is have a small kitchen um, that is mainly going to be, you know, bar service. This is designed to
be a very low-key operation, but enough to sustain. So, we have a small bar. You can order at the bar. Kitchen will produce food and then people can go up and pick up food at the window. You know, the idea is that you can sit around the pool, sit by the bar, but there's really not going to be any
service aside from just the underground or not underground, just the undercover area. Um, you show as it's denoted right there. Um, but that's what we're trying to do. We're aware we're working with structural and our contractors on how we do this because this isn't a VE zone.
So, making sure that everything is built breakaway, dry floodproofed, location of utilities, um, and really just trying to clean up the area. Um, it's a beautiful property, an amazing piece of land, and we really want to see this get done, and this is a critical step for us to make
it work. So, >> okay. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? So the intent will be that it's open to the public. >> Yes sir. >> And in terms of folks coming from not from the beach side but from street side
if uh will there be any allocation for parking or allowance for parking >> on the plans um the parking amount that we have the total spaces I can't remember the exact numbers off the top of my head um but we do meet the parking requirements for the service area. So, we've denoted this 660 foot service area
for which we have to provide an additional seven spaces. >> Okay. >> Um and so, yeah, those those parking spaces are included and accounted for in our parking. >> That's great. That' be a great addition to the beach. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. If you would please have a seat and we'll let the city staff uh give their presentation. Go for it,
Jesse. >> All right. As um I previously discussed with the chair, um I'm going to try to run this together also with the next agenda item, which is 10B, which is the site plan approval for the special exception. Um so I'm going to be jumping around between some of these slides. Um
so this is agenda item 10 A, case number SPEC-0000507-2025. And as previously mentioned, uh, this is a request to allow a food service and alcoholic beverage establishment as an accessory use within an existing 21 unit hotel as required by code. The special exception use application is accompanied
by a site plan application sit-5000-2025. Um, this is located at 12700 Gulf Boulevard, has land use of resort facilities high and is zoned resort facilities medium 50.
And we previously saw the site plan. Um, so just bear with me. Um, there's a lot more in this criteria for special exceptions as compared to site plans. Uh so criteria one, a hotel motel is a permitted use within the RFH50 zoning district pursuant to section 68-484
of the land development regulations, accessory uses which include restaurants, alcoholic beverage establishments, personal service stores, and similar uses may be permitted as allowed in the zoning district by special exception of the planning and zoning board. Uh they have to fulfill these following conditions. One,
alcoholic beverage establishments shall not exceed 10% of the total floor area of the principal building. Condition two, all such accessory uses shall be situated within the principal building. Criteria two, the proposed special exception use is consistent with the objectives within the comprehensive plan
to ensure that redevelopment and new development occur in planned areas at the appropriate densities and intensities as indicated on and consistent with the city of Treasure Island future land use map. Criteria three, the food service and alcoholic beverage establishment will be
located within the principal use. This establishment must be operated in accordance with the regulations set forth by the Florida Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco, Penllis County Health Department and all city of Treasure Islands code of ordinances. The establishment must meet all applicable regulations of the Florida Building Code
and Florida Fire Prevention Code which will be reviewed during the permit building process. Uh criteria four, the accessory use is similar to existing food and alcohol and beverage establishments typically within RFH50 zoning district.
Criteria five, the proposed accessory use is compatible with development in the vicinity of the property under consideration which are primary tourist related uses. The use is proposed for location completely within the existing hotel resulting in minimal impacts to
surrounding properties. Criteria six, the accessory use will be consistent with the purpose of the RFH50 zoning district to delineate those areas as defined within the city's comprehensive plan. Resort facilities high suitable for limited residential as well as resort facility development of a high
density character together with associated special exceptions and accessory uses. Criteria seven, the accessory use is being proposed within the principal structure of a developed site and the landscaping area should not be affected by this use. However, a landscape plan
has been submitted that demonstrates an improvement of the environment will be accomplished over the existing site conditions. Criteria eight, accessory uses to hotel motel services require additional off- streetet parking of one space per five occupants calculated at 20 square feet of net usable area per
occupant. The site plan for this development addresses the required number of vos street spaces and are reviewed under case number sit-5000-2025. Criteria nine as previously mentioned the accessory use is located entirely within the principal structure and the only entrance and exit to the accessory
use within the lobby is orientated toward the interior of the site and not directed toward the street or an adjacent property. Criteria 10, as already mentioned, located within the principal structure. Criteria 11, this is where it is the main lobby on
the ground floor with 660 square ft dedicated to use. There is to be no sales or or service of food and/or alcoholic beverages outside of this designated area as it would require calculations of net usable area for additional off- streetet parking spaces
and a modification to the proposed site plan as the accessory use is located entirely within the principal structure. It should not create any adverse effects of noise, lights, dust, fumes or other nuisances generated in excess of the typical hotel use. Criteria 12, no
additional land is required. Criteria 13, uh, the adopted level of service for each aspect of the city's infrastructure is not anticipated to be negatively impacted by the proposed accessory use. Staff will determine whether a concurrency review is required, and if
so, it will be completed prior to the issurance of the building permit. Then staff's recommendation is my apologies I did not change that but staff recommends approval with the following conditions. Uh condition one the following site plan must be approved
by the planning and zoning board. Condition two the sales and service of alcoholic beverages is limited to 660 ft of the area specifically identified and located on the ground floor within the lobby of the principal use. There shall be no sales or service of food and slash
or alcoholic beverages outside of the principal use or anywhere else on a subject property. Criteria three, the proposed 660 square ft of food and alcoholic beverage service shall be clearly identified on the site and floor plan for this special exception use.
Criteria four, the alcoholic beverage establishment must be operated in accordance with all regulations and licensing requirements of the Florida Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco, Penllis County Health Department, and the City of Treasure Island Code of Ordinances. And criteria five, the area for the food service and
alcoholic beverage establishment must be constructed in accordance with the Florida Building Code and Florida Fire Prevention Code. And I guess you can make a motion on this and I'll bleed into the next one. Then I'll just go straight to the conditions and staff's recommendations for the site.
>> We do have one card. So we have a card from Sher. Um anyway, before I get into the card, any questions of the city staff by the board? I just had one question. I'm sorry. This is probably naive, Jesse, so forgive me, but the 660 square ft that's just limiting the
service area. I mean, if people walk up from the beach, is there an ordinance that would prevent them from taking food or beverages beyond that? It's actually in our code for accessory uses. It has to be located within the entire building. So that ground floor is is 660 ft. Correct.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So that's why it's limited to this 660 ft. >> They're not going to be responsible for enforcing if somebody comes in and gets a a beverage or a food and takes it out of that 660 >> that we f codewise we focus on you can only service there. If they walk outside
of that, that would I believe that would fall upon the property owners if they regulate where they take those beverages then. >> Okay. Thanks. It's mostly to make sure you don't end up with a serving area out on the beach or something like that. >> Yeah. But there is Yeah. open container on the beach for Treasure Island anyways.
>> So they could take it out. >> Yeah. >> Any other questions? >> It's just Yeah. You can't serve them. You can't be like the person's in the water and here's the weight staff with a beverage kind of. But if they grab it and it's a pla plastic and it's not owned by them and they wander into the
water or something like that, then it's not like we're going to shut them down as a result of that. >> Right. All righty. We have a Sharon McClendon. >> Hi, my name is Sharon McClendon. I have property at 12615 Sunshine Lane and
12621 Sunshine Lane. And um I just have a question about clarifying. There are certain places that you go to and they say no alcoholic beverages beyond this point. Is that going to be and and what is is anybody liable if they do go past
that? That's one. >> So um a lot it is kind of confusing because uh like on Sunset Beach we have some of that too. What it is is that there's no alcoholic beverages related to that establishment beyond this point.
But in theory, if somebody had a to-go cup, right, and they took that to-go cup and then walked along the beach, then the police is not going to most likely issue based on the the open container rules of the city is not going to issue
a uh citation. But there's not um glass is not allowed. Okay? >> And so what you could have is so for instance, if I get a glass of wine or a beer or something and it's in a glass container, then you certainly would not be able to go outside of that. you would have to maintain everything related to
that business. But if they're like, "Here's a to- go cup." um, and then they're they're wanting to take that to-go cup and it's plastic and it's not going to be returned to the and someone walks along the beach, then that that would be allowed if that makes sense.
>> So, this establishment can be a walk up from the beach, get a cocktail if they serve it in a plastic glass or if I put it in a plastic glass and go back to the beach. sort of. Yeah, it but it's ultimately what that person, the individual does. It's not the business
is not policing or determining that. So then it would then invoke a separate part of the code which is um the city of Treasure Island has allow has allowed for open container. Um and so anyone can if I go to Publix, right, and I grab I
get a beer and I open it and pour it in a container and I drink it. That's allowed anywhere, right? within certain generally anywhere not everywhere but there there's wide latitude where that can be consumed and and so but um
they the particular business for instance probably doesn't allow out outside alcohol so I couldn't go to Publix get that and then go to their establishment so it's yeah I I I think generally it wouldn't be a good idea for them to to you know have that as their
main focus of of providing that but if somebody got an alcoholic beverage and chose to put it in a container that was allowed and then left, then you know that would probably not be something that the police would ticket them for.
So, >> okay. What you all going to do? >> Okay. And then the only other thing just because we live so close, we live three well two spaces away and they're small lots is traffic. It's just just, you
know, it's a small little area. I know that they're not going to be able to change anything or do anything just to say that. And other than that, good. >> Thank you. >> But is a 21 room hotel, they uh are
required to have 22 parking spaces. Uh so they will have sufficient parking. So that's all they can do. And uh with that uh we're going to move right into the next case because it's just a uh change
and then we'll vote after this presentation on both. We'll have a uh a motion for each uh case. But uh does the applicant have any does the applicant have anything more he would want to say in regard to the second case?
>> Okay. Just for the record sake, this is going to be case number site 0000500-2025. And oh, where'd my agenda go? Site plan approval request for a food service and alcoholic beverage establishment within
an existing 21 unit hotel. With that, go ahead, Jesse. >> All right. Um, so I'm I'm just going to hit on basically the criteria that has to be pretty much all of our LDRs. Um so they have met everything um lot width, depth, area, um density, um lot
coverage, ISR, F and then also their parking calculations as well. Um that's pretty much the whole point of the site plan review to make sure everything that they still meet that criteria. And then we will jump down to the staff recommendation.
and staff has reviewed the proposed site plan and determined that it satisfies the applicable criteria set forth from section 70-92 of the land development code. Staff recommends the proposed site plan be approved with the following conditions. Condition one, a special
exception case number SPEC-0000507-2025, a use for a food service and alcoholic beverage establishment must be approved by the planning and zoning board. Condition two, all building permits and construction associated with this development proposal shall be subject to all current regulations within the
Florida building code, flood plane management regulations, land development regulations, and the Florida Fire Prevention Code in effect at the time of the building permit application process. Criteria three, all applicable state and federal permits and SL or exemptions shall be submitted to the city prior to
the first inspection. And of course, if you have any questions about the site plan. >> Any questions for Jesse? >> Okay. Based on that, we've heard both cases. Uh, can we get a motion on the first case, which is I got it, Richard?
I'll take it. >> You going to run with it? >> Yeah, run with it. Go for it. Regarding case number SPEC 0000507-20225 Thursday, October 23rd, 2 p.m. Special exception use to allow food service and alcoholic beverage establishment as a
necessary use within an existing 12 unit hotel at 12700 Golf Boulevard. I make a motion to approve it. uh their special request, but to include the five exceptions with that approval as well.
Thank you. Could I have a second? I'll second. >> All right. Uh motion by Gary Patensiano, second by Chris Downing. Could we have a roll call vote? >> Valeria Cree, >> yes. >> Gary Pateniano, >> yes. >> Mark Sheski, >> hi.
>> Chris Downing, >> yes. >> Daniel Binsley, >> yes. >> Grant Smith, >> yes. >> Richard Harris, >> yes. >> Thank you. And thank you for uh taking this one on. We'll go now go into the second ordinance. Gary, you want to make a same motion? Pretty much. >> Sure. I make a motion with case number
site 0000513-2025. Thursday, October 23rd, 2 p.m. Description. Site plan approval request for two separate buildings consisting of a total of five res residential drillings. Site location 11295 G Boulevard, Treasure, Florida. I make a
motion that we approve but also to include the three conditions provided in the staff report. >> Thank you, Gary. Could I have a second? >> I'll second again. >> Okay. Uh motion sir. >> It's the wrong motion. It's the wrong ordinance.
>> You read the Gary. >> There's only three conditions. Do you say five? >> I said thought three. Three conditions. >> 21 unit hotel. >> It's 21 unit hotel. got mixed up, I think. >> Right. >> All right. Start over.
>> Make sure it's the sit-500-2025 should be the one that you were on now. >> Which one did he read? Gary Grant. >> Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. I wasn't did not hear that. Yeah. Yeah, with the three exceptions right there. >> Yeah, it should be 5 Z, right?
>> Okay. I only got one. >> You don't have that one. >> I don't have that one here. Just read. Here you go. >> All right. Here we go. >> All right. Yeah. Just do it over just to make sure we got it covered. Which one is he talking about here? I get there's
I got it. Here we go. Case number 0000500-2025 12700 Golf Boulevard. Uh a site plan to approve food service and alcoholic beverage established within an existing 21 unit hotel. I make a motion that we
approve it to include three conditions. Second. >> Okay. Motion by Gary Patensiano, second by Chris Downing. We got the right one. Can we have a roll call vote? >> Valerie. >> Thanks, guys. >> Yes. >> Gary Patenziano. >> I.
>> Mark Odeski. >> Hi. >> Chris Donning. >> I. >> Daniel Billingsley. >> Hi. >> Grant Smith. >> Yes. >> Richard Harris. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> And thank you for taking on this 21 unit hotel. but uh has been sitting uh destitute for a bit.
>> What are you going to call it? >> Good luck. >> Hotel Delino. >> What's the estimated timeline on completion? >> Uh we are targeting February. >> Nice. >> All right. >> Congratulations. Good. That's great.
>> All right. Well, I'll come and uh >> we'll all come and visit the new uh restaurant. Yeah. Okay, let's move on to the next one. This is number 10 C site-0000 513-2025-11295 G Boulevard site plan approval request
for two separate buildings consisting of a total of five residential dwelling units. If the applicant is here, please approach the podium and tell us what you want to do. Oh, I didn't know it was you, Jack. Pardon? You didn't know it was it was
you? This is the old >> You haven't seen me in a while. I mean, what used to be the other month, I think some of you know. And uh >> this is the old casino hotel. >> Pardon me. >> It used to be the casino hotel, I think, was the name. >> Oh, yeah. It used to be the casino. Yep. >> Yeah. casino. Uh this thing had been
through a couple owners since uh it was the casino the casino hotel owner passed away. Uh we had had a plan in that was approved at that time. Then we had another group come in that um that had the 11 unit condo hotel um uh approved
and unfortunately he went into bad health and it wound up going to auction. The gentlemen that own it now are are solid and have bought the purchase the property. We have the plans. we're prepared to move ahead and um so I just am here to answer any questions you may
have. Actually, Jesse will do his presentation. Well, I had you know I uh it's basically pretty simple. It's zoned for 11 um uh units. uh actually would hold uh it previously was approved for 11 condo hotel units and as you know uh
the two uses are allowable are residential and resort facility uh intermixs and intermatching as far as rental goes uh the property is approximately 4.43 43 acres. Um, I mean, you know, Jesse's report is pretty
thorough and I really was just here to answer any questions that may come up or if you had any questions about it. Um, I won't bore you with a long presentation. Let uh let Jesse make his case and I'm here if you have any questions. All right.
>> I do have one quick one and it's more just a clarification for the audience and for my benefit. As far as a a hotel, your main restriction on this piece of property is its size. I mean, it's less than a half an acre. There's not I mean, you used to be approved for 11 units.
That's not I mean, that's less than what we just heard. And >> yeah, >> he told us how we wanted to do is put >> basically similar units but bigger uh townhouse type variety units. Not they that if you recall the old building, it was a little bit in intrusive. It was um
sevenstory, I think, and it was uh 11 uh smaller units and they wanted to come back in with bigger units and and uh do a uh it's a lot clearer. They actually could have put a few more units on, but they chose that. >> And you are going to sell off the town
homes individually. >> We're going to sell they're they want the right to sell. Of course, they'll be sold off individually. They they fall under either zoning. So, you know, the uh the temporary use or or the it's one of the unusual zonings in the code as you know and uh
um but yes, they are going to sell the units off individually. >> Thank you, Jack. Anybody else got any questions for uh Mr. Boziac and I pronounced your name right? >> Back again after a while. >> Okay. Thank you. Go ahead, Jesse.
All right. So, just a reminder, this is case number SIT-0000513-2025. Uh, the applicant is currently seeking a site plan approval for two separate buildings consisting of a total of five residential dwelling units and this is located at 11295 G Boulevard.
The land use resort facilities medium. It has a zoning district of RFM30. And here's a quick overview of the site plan. uh landscape plan, uh some east and west elevations,
north and south elevations. And just kind of like a little background, you guys kind of already discussed this. Um from what I reviewed, um so in 2019, a the PNZ approved a 12unit tourist resort and then in 2022,
they also approved a 12-unit condo hotel. Um, the lot is currently vacant. And moving on to site plan review criteria section 70-92. Criteria one, the subject property has a future land use designation of resort
facilities medium and is located within the resort facilities medium zoning district. The proposed use and density is not in conflict with the goals, objectives, and policies of the comprehensive plan. Criteria two, the proposed site plan is in conformance with all applicable regulations of the
RFM30 zoning district. Then this kind of gives you a little breakdown of all the criteria that they have met. Uh criteria three is not applicable. Criteria 4 A, the proposed site plan meets the purpose and intent of the RFM30 zoning district and will not
impact compatibility with the planning character of the RFM30 zoning district. Criteria 4B. The proposed site plan meets drive aisle width parking space width and length. Driveway and sidewalk connections within the rightway appear to adhere to all applicable FDOT
standards. Criteria 4 C. The proposed site plan is in conformance with the landscaping requirements set forth in chapter 72. Criteria 4 D. The development consists of two structures that meet all setback requirements. 4 E is not applicable. 4 F is not
applicable. 4G is not applicable. Then criteria five is not applicable. Criteria six, the proposed site plan will require permits or exemptions from the Southwest Florida Water Management District and the Florida Department of Transportation.
Criteria seven uh is not applicable as well. Uh staff recommendation. Staff recommends approval with the following conditions. Condition one, all building permits and construction associated with this development proposal shall be subject to all current regulations within the Florida building
code flood plane management regulations land development regulations and the Florida Fire Prevention Code in effect at the time of the building permit application process. Criteria two, order necessary to accommodate the proposed development. The property owners shall be responsible for the removal relocation of any and all public
utilities located on a subject site. Criteria three, all applicable state and federal permits and slash or exemptions shall be submitted to the city prior to the first inspection. And of course, any questions? >> I just have one quick question, Jesse,
and it really doesn't have to do with this case, but I just was having to notice it about swimming pools. As you well know, we're going to come up with uh changes to the LDR, and this is for my future education. Right now we're limiting the top of swimming pool 12 in
above existing grade. What is the rationale for that? I mean with Hela we found out that the elevation of the water actually got up to elevation 7.8 above sea level. uh in
the future when we change the LDRs, would it be okay to raise that up if there's not a outline good reason why we're limiting it to 12 in? >> Yeah. Um I'll get with Bobby and Mary Ellen and we can do some research, see what the reasoning was behind the 12 in
because personally I I don't know myself. >> Yeah. I mean, my next door neighbor went through this and I was just curious because it came up as one of the conditions here. I think it can be it can be an issue if someone does something in the extreme. >> Obviously 12 in wouldn't do anything
line of sight from neighbor. That's where it would get potentially >> you don't want to have it 12 ft up in the air. >> Well, there's you know like waterfalls and such that I think that's really where that's the that's the genesis of why that restriction of the 12 in was put in. >> And that's where we going to we're going
to have a lot of fun with architectural review. Yeah. Because uh you know we got Mark on site who's a contractor. We got Daniel who's also a uh air conditioning contractor so we can uh have a lot of fun in the future with that. That's >> right. >> Any other questions for Jesse?
>> Just one Jesse really probably not related to this directly but since this went from what 11 units initially now they're they're going for five five units. There's no dock that's a part of this site plan and that the docks are handled completely
separate. But does this in in any way change what would be allowed to do uh in that area dockwise or is it completely separate issue? >> Uh just I don't want to give you definite answers right now. Um, but my understanding is if these would be sold off separately, um, we would have to
create probably like a condo association or homeowners association and then we might possibly maybe have to plat it and make that common ground and then you could have a commercial dock with each unit have its own designated boat slip then. >> Just off the top of my head, I'm
thinking that's how that might work. >> All right. Thanks. >> All right. Any other questions? Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing because I got no cards. uh really don't have any problem with this uh project either. Uh could we get a motion?
>> I'll take this one, I guess. >> All right. Sure. I got the right one here. Uh so uh I would move that the uh planning and zoning board uh approve the site plan as requested uh for the two separate buildings consisting a total of
five uh dwelling units with the conditions that are um on this document and as presented by the city. >> Okay. A motion by uh Chris Downing, second by Grant Smith. Could we have a roll call? >> AliE.
>> Yes. >> Patenziano. Yes. >> Mark Zeski. >> Hi. >> Chris Downing. >> Yes. >> Daniel Bingsley. >> Hi. >> Grant Smith. >> Yes. >> Richard Harris. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Jack, you're approved. Go build this one. >> We want to see some construction in Treasure Island.
>> Yeah. >> Even if it's a sand castle. >> There you go. All right. We'll move on to the uh next one. We're going to get out of >> attend SM OD- 000527-2025 at the address of 8801 West Gulf
Boulevard. A site plan modification request to allow a proposed 297 foot tiki hood to be installed over an existing seating area for an existing alcoholic beverage establishment. I know the applicant is here, so please tell us
what you want to do. Jason Goldstein on behalf attorney and representative of the applicant and I'm going to hand it over to Dennis Lang, the engineer to explain what's going on. >> Good afternoon everybody. Thank you very much. Um, as noted, my name is Dennis Lang. Um, my address for the record is
2034th Avenue North in St. Pete. Uh, representing for the owner here, our our, uh, new cheeky hut structure that we're adding to the property here. Um, as noted in the application, it's already an existing seating area on site. We're just adding a new structure so we can have some extra covered areas
out there for when we have some rain and clement weather. We have a lot of people that flock in off the beach. So, this is an affordance of providing some additional shelter structure on site for areas that are already activated for use per our site plans. Um, you know, one of the questions that came up is obviously the parking on site. Um, on property, we
have the necessary parking that's required by code for our use areas and including of this area that's activated. Uh we have a parking diagram that's pretty grandfathered in. It's from the early 90s. As anybody that's been out there knows, we have a lot of parking on site. It's accommodated in the form of a
valet assisted format. So that as patrons arrive on site, they're directed to the parking because it's afforded in a tandem configuration, which isn't typically operated by just you showing up and figuring out who you park behind. So we have 30 spaces that we operate on site currently. They're all shown on our
site plan, but they are afforded to us in that tandem configuration that we do manage daily with an attendant. So, I think that's pretty much what we want to make sure is clear for everybody. Um, but if there are any questions, we're more than happy to address them in a in a forthright and direct manner. >> And, uh, this is going to be very
similar to what's I live right down the street, so it's going to be very similar to what currently exists over the main bar. And >> yes sir, it's going to look consistent with the architectural style of the existing building >> and it's going to be built by the Simino Indians I assume. So that is correct. It is a cheeky structure.
>> No permits are required for that in regard of a building permit. But I thank you for coming in and doing a site plan because there's a lot of misunderstanding on that. You do have to have site plan approval. So we appreciate that. >> Absolutely. The only uh request since
I'm well Grant's a Sunset Beach resident as well, the only comment I I will make is uh the parking right in front of your what is called the wood deck and tiki bar. People love to drive those big U
crew cab pickup trucks these days and they got a huge trailer hitch on the back. You wouldn't believe the number of guys who pull in there and leave their trailer hitch hanging out in the through lane of West Gold Boulevard. >> Well, then we'll make sure we make a note to our valet guys to to get a better look on that one for us so we
don't have that existing problem for you guys out there. >> Well, to show you how familiar I am with this, Kenny, your valet happens to be a friend of mine. So, if you would just tell him to be careful because I swear one of these days I'm going to hit hit it myself. And I'm like, you know, I
wish the driver of I know it's not your fault. It's the driver of the vehicle, but I wish the driver of those vehicles would just be reminded, hey, that's a little dangerous. >> We'll have to pull in a little bit closer if that's become an issue for you guys turning that corner out there. >> Well, it just it's just something I see
on a regular basis. And uh said, well, I'll bring it up. I don't you know, it's it's something that's hard to control. I know Paul's sitting in the back back there and he knows what I'm talking about as well. >> Yeah, we try and get them on there. We try and get as many as we can on site so they're not sneaking off into the neighborhood.
>> It's just, you know, parking is something that uh we just deal with between I mean in its heyday caddies and Katiki, it would just be a little point of congestion and uh that's just something you live with cuz I want to see you guys
continue to have the great success. I hope to see caddies back in business in their actual 1930s building someday in my lifetime. So, we appreciate what you're doing. Any other questions from the applicant? >> What would a no oversized
vehicle sign in front of those spots? >> It wouldn't it wouldn't hurt, you know. I'm just saying I'm just making a friendly request to take that into account cuz uh it's not my problem if somebody hits it. I'm I'm not going to
hit one, I hope, but uh it could happen. But anyway, any other uh questions? Uh if you would have a seat and uh Jesse, go for it. >> All right. This is case number SIT-0000527-2025.
Uh this is a site plan modification to allow a proposed 297 square foot tiki hut to be installed over an existing seating area for an existing restaurant alcoholic beverage establishment. Uh this is located 8801 West Golf Boulevard, the land use commercial
general and it is also zoned commercial general. Uh we've already seen this site plan. Um just going back to the permit question. Um they actually do have a permit in right now. It's already been it's already been reviewed and approved. It's just waiting the outcome of this
meeting today. Some elevations. Uh so just a lot of history on this one. I don't know if you want me to go into this except for the board on that one. Richard, would you like me to go over the background of this?
>> Not really. >> I'm sure probably every member of the this board if they haven't patronized the place, they've driven by it. So, >> go ahead. >> All right. So, moving on to the into the site plan review criteria, which is stated in section 70-92. Criteria one,
the subject property has a future land use designation of commercial general and is located within the commercial general zoning district. The existing use is not in conflict with the goals, objectives, and policies of the comprehensive plan. Criteria two, the existing site plan is not in conformance with all applicable regulations of the
CG zoning district. Um so this is um kind of bleeding back into the parking discussion. Um during a visit out there, I was unable to identify any um ADA handicap parking spaces. So that's as of right now, I'm sure they have one. Uh I
wasn't able to identify one. And as we get into the conditions for this site plan, um the applicant did mention that they already have a grandfathered parking plan. So we are recommending that they submit that parking plan to city staff so we can review it, make sure that meets our parking code then as
well, too. Then we can also have that on record officially after this. And another thing that is not not by the applicant's fault, um the lot area also is non-conforming to that zoning district. Uh criteria three, um the proposed site
plan modification does not include a subdivision of property. Criteria 4, A, the proposed site plan modification meets the purpose and intent of the CG zoning district and will not impact compatibility with the planning character of the CG zoning district. 4 B, staff is recommending a condition
that the property owner submit a parking plan to ensure the offshore parking area meets code. 4 A is not applicable. 4 D the development consists of one structure and the proposed 297 foot tiki hut addition meets all required setbacks.
4 E. The proposed site plan modification will not impact the use of the existing public beach or access to the waterfront. The existing 10-ft public easement for beach access on the south side of the property will remain unaffected. 4F not applicable. 4FG not
applicable. Criteria five not applicable. Criteria six, the proposed site plan modification will require a permit or exemption from the Southwest Florida Water Management District. Criteria 7 is also not applicable. Uh staff recommendation. Um staff
recommends approval with the following conditions. Condition one, all building permits and construction associated with this development proposal shall be subject to all current regulations within the Florida building code, flood plane management regulations, land development regulations, and the Florida Fire Prevention Code in effect at the time of the building permit and
application process. Criteria two, all applicable state and federal permits and/or exemption shall be submitted to the city prior to the first inspection. Criteria three, site plan amendment approval is limited to the proposed 297 foot tiki hut. The depicted parking
spaces, landscaping, and other site elements shown on the plan are not included in this approval. Criteria four, property owner will submit a parking plan to ensure the number and/or arrangement of parking spaces meet section 68-486 off streetet parking
>> and staff is available for questions. >> Okay, any questions for the city staff? Go ahead, Chris. Um Jesse, I'm trying to understand one thing because Richard you brought up about the Simol Indians potentially building the tiki hut itself and whether or not permits are issued for that. I'm trying to make sure the
whole board here and and me included understand I guess how this works in a situation like this where we're approving a site plan and there's some indication that and and it says under the conditions that you're but we would probably approve this that they meet all
Florida building code regulations. How does that play into this whole issue of seminal Indian built structures? Gotcha. >> I' I'd like a quick education on it if we have. >> There's actually one that should be removed from that. Um because we still need a zoning review permit and then
also flood plane permit. Um just because this is exempt from the Florida building code. There's still other requirements that we have. Um so on your point um I would recommend removing the Florida building code out of that condition one then and then that the seminal ending
construction would apply. >> Well so I guess Richard maybe you can enlighten us. Bottom line is they don't need a building permit, an actual building permit. But the other stuff on here >> they do have to meet like flood plan management regulations, land development
regulations. Got to have a site plan. You can't build a uh tiki hut uh in the setbacks. >> I mean, >> we um >> so all the other issues of being hurricane proof, anything like that, that's all out the window if they're building this.
>> I mean, Florida fire, what's on here? Florida Fire Prevention Code in effect. Obviously, you look at all those palm frrons up there and you go, >> "Yeah, we want to make sure that this thing doesn't catch on fire and burn up all the houses on either side because there's some interesting new houses just
to the south of this." But um so to that I guess to that point so we're we're going to take potentially take out the they're recommending now that we take out the Florida building code requirement because >> that's not going to be applicable.
>> Correct. Um that this Florida >> fire code prevention code would still be in >> in effect. And would they actually >> put sprinklers on a structure like this? What is how do they handle it? >> I can't speak for the fire department, but I do know Tom Brennan, deputy fire chief. He did he did review the plans
>> and I think >> as for what they look at can't speak for fire. >> Okay. >> And uh >> I think I go ahead you guys. I think a little bit directly to your comments. Um the cheeky hut structure is constructed under a different provision of Florida statute. When it's constructed by the seminal
Indians, it does not need to comply with certain provisions of the Florida building code because of the nature of its construction being constructed under like traditional tribal means. >> Okay. So like you know the palm frrons we don't see houses being built with palm frrons but we still comply with components of the Florida building code like the Florida fire prevention code.
It is treated with an intimac product. So it is non-combustible. So like you can walk up to it hold a light up to it. It's not going to catch on fire you know. So we still are doing certain components of the building code for the affordance of life safety and protection of patrons. We just don't have to comply with portions of it in the form of like
the uplift and and other elements of the code that would not be conducive to that structure. That's why it's constructed by the seminal Indian sir. >> I appreciate that. Thank you for getting us up to speed. >> I do have a question. >> Certainly. >> Just a quick question for my own edification. Uh the existing uh tiki cut
that's out there, I mean it did very well during uh Hela and Milton last year. I mean it had some damage but nothing of major consequence. But uh how often does it have to be retreated with a chemical substance to >> the paint product that we use is a
permanent product. like once we use it, like the product approvals for it is a 30-year product, >> you know. So really when that that product is not going to degrade over time, it is imbued on all the surfaces. So anywhere you try to go and catch that structure on fire, you're going to come in contact with this product and it's
not going to allow for it. In in restoring the structure after the storms and we have to repair parts of the thatch, that product is reapplied. So we don't have to worry about, you know, lapses in that type of coverage. So that's generally how those structures are maintained. Um, as you noted, they do maintain themselves a little bit
differently in the winds, you know, in our storm conditions. They kind of have a miraculous ability to survive those events. So, that's why they're still afforded that permission through the state. >> And what's the name of the engineering firm on your shirt? >> Oh, I'm an I'm actually an architect. My I'm Dennis Lang. This is Lang for Fogia.
>> Okay. Oh, okay. Because we we've crossed paths some somewhere in the past. >> I I grew up here on Treasure Island. So, >> I used to work on King Engineering. So, >> I've been doing here for 15 years, and I I worked with Jack before, you know, uh Jack when he was in here, so you probably see me behind him for a couple
years early on. >> Okay. Thank you. Thanks, sir. >> Any other questions for either the applicant or staff? Mark. >> Yeah. Hey, Jesse. So, you said this didn't go through um uh review uh zoning review yet or >> I believe it it went through all review.
It's just pending the outcome of this meeting. >> Outcome of this. Okay. And then so you have the condition on the number of parking spaces. Did they meet that condition or um you still need to verify that that the parking situation is met? >> We still need to verify the parking.
>> Okay. >> So, that'll happen after the decision of this. >> Yes. And actually, I'm glad you brought that condition up. Um this is one thing we did not think about. Um if you could please maybe consider putting like a time limit on this. I mean, it sounds like they already have a plan that's in place. So, I don't know, maybe like 60
90 days or something like that to get that submitted to the city. >> Okay. And are they grandfathered in with the parking situation? Because I know it's very tight parking there and and it's hard to meet sometimes >> u you know the parking standards that are going to be put forth here. So >> yeah. So once they submit us that plan,
we're going to go review pretty much all the back history on that property and see what was grandfathered in, what they can do, what they can't do. >> Yeah. Because it looks like in the past they had, you know, the the P&Z board approved >> site plan. Okay. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, Jesse.
But I mean, according to your chart, they required 17, provided 30. >> That is correct. They do meet the number of parking, but the issue that could come up is it appears like it's stacked parking. We need to see how that was approved. >> And there is stacked parking there. And
also, I think just over the age and the storm, like you said, there's required to have one uh handicap parking spot. It's out there somewhere. We just need you guys to identify it. >> Exactly. >> All right.
>> Go ahead. >> Um that that's actually one of our concerns out there, you know, as a team is the existing condition of our parking and and the way that that's phrased for us does present some problems for us on paper because the nature of our parking in that tandem configuration when you
look at it on the par. Could you bring that map back up from your slides, please? >> That site plan that map. >> Yeah, please. There's a there's a graphic in there that I could actually point to that's going to illuminate this problem for everybody and I' I'd rather talk to it directly so that everybody on the board maybe can give me a condition in this approval that lets me like
continue my existing. >> That's my concern. I want to make sure that we we don't go ahead and approve this and then and then you can't meet a condition of it. >> I really appreciate you bringing that up. That's a real big concern of ours on the front. You go back to >> Oh, the actual Oh, my bad. >> Okay. So, a lot of our parking, as you
can see, the lines extend past the actual line of our property boundary. >> Unfortunately, you got to be on that mic. >> So, oh, so when you look, there's a line where you see the extent of the parking lines that are perpendicular to that structure that come out towards the roadway of West Gulf Boulevard. You see
they actually extend past the curvature of the property line proper, but they're within the set the line that would be the rightway line that's currently like where the roadway extends to. So, that's an existing condition that's been out there. It's how it's existed since the '9s. That's also why we don't see an ADA parking space on site in that parking
diagram because ADA wasn't codified until 1995. So, we were not we predate the ADA compliance mechanisms that would have required that that on-site space. Now, when we were we looked at that comment, we were thinking about this already. We have a very good opportunity
at the north edge of the site where we have parking already that's in connection to an ADA connected path of travel. It's a paved space. That's where we're going to stripe an ADA spot if we need to. As part of our compliance, we're prepared to provide for that. We think it would be disadvantageous as a team because we're going to lose one
parking space to ADA spaces that we park every day to keep other parking out of the network of the city streets. And that's why we would really like the opportunity to preserve the parking that we're managing on site. That's why we have the valet attendant is because it is this tandem stack parking. We
wouldn't be able to provide tandem parking without that affordance. That's why we do it. So we have 30 spaces because we operate 30 spaces on site parking we have 18. So if we lose the opportunity to park the tandem spaces
and park over the line which would be 100% in compliance with the regulation as written. So if I can't get some flexibility, I'm going to only have 18 spaces to park. And that's what we're going to end up only being able to park. And that's that's just the truth. I I would much prefer as a city and as a
citizen that grew up out here and for all the residents to be able to park 12 more spaces on site, you know, and pay my guys to park it and manage it the way we have, you know, historically. That that would be our best version of success because otherwise we're going to be disproportionately still in
compliance. I'll provide you a 100% appliance site plan, but it's going to be 12 spaces less, but it'll still be in excess of the 17 I'm required. >> I I kind of want to make a point on that. Like I just want to clarify that we're not forcing them to change anything with parking at all yet. We
just want to have them submit the parking plan. We review this administratively and if it triggers anything to go back to P before P&Z, we will bring it back. If not, we could approve this in-house. >> Is it possible to approve this with only conditions one through three and we drop
the fourth condition? >> Um obviously that's completely up to the board. Um, that's why condition three was added in where we were strictly only supposed to focus on just the tiki hut addition for this site plan modification and not factor in any of the other elements like the parking situation,
landscaping, anything like that. >> Cuz in my opinion, you know, when you got the approval back in many years ago, I'll forget which one it is. Let's see. uh back in 2003 and also 1990. Um you know, you pretty
much grandfathered with what you got. Believe me, I drive by it every day. Grant Smith drives by it every day. The only uh the only thing that jumps out at me is what I brought up earlier. And uh if you put out that uh sign for me, I think that'll take care of business.
>> And plus, that's why we would love to have this plan in place so these discussions will never have to continue again. We can be like, "Hey, you can look back." >> It sounds like we can just gr I mean, leave that grandfathered in. We're only talking about the tiki hat here. And there's many other factors like
landscaping you brought up that we're not considering. So why should we be picking on the parking at this point for brevity? That's my I mean that would be my take on it and I' So take take out the fourth. >> So Mark has got a good point there. the
uh I mean it would be so you I'm trying to get my head wrapped around the ADA situation right now. You predate ADA and uh come on up to the podium again if you would. You predate ADA. Um
I know you got room for one handicuff. >> As a part of the conditions of approval, please ask for us to stripe an ADA space on site if that's the necessary step. But like I said, it's a space we park every day. I'm happy to stripe it if that's the if that's the nature of bringing this site plan compliance forward and allowing for our
grandfathered parking extent to remain that we stripe the appropriate space. I would absolutely do so. I think that's a good middle road for us to meet you in affordance of our parking. >> The one thing is Okay, let me ask you this. Uh, currently there's no ADA
parking handicap spots out there. I've never seen a handicapped person in this. I don't recall, but anyway, if one shows up when I'm sure they do, how do you accommodate them now? >> So, basically the same way we accommodate every other patron that arrives on site is we meet them at their
vehicle at the podium. We we identify the parking space that's either the most direct place for them to park or if it is a patron that needs ADA affordance. Like I said, we have a space on site that is 100% paved, it has the necessary access with for it, we park them there. We go inside, we find a vehicle, if it's
already parked there, we move it, and then we have them parked there. they're afforded the ADA path to travel directly. There's also spaces that are across the street, you know, that as you guys know, we park in that little lot. Sometimes there's ADA spaces there. I just don't think they're the best version of how I would say I'm compliant because the path to travel's broken. But
I have a space on site I can make ADA and that's how we afford that permission currently. And what I was thinking was, well, maybe we just modify condition number four to say uh provide one handicap parking spot.
>> Richard, can I What was What was the date of the ADA thing? 1990. >> It was a while ago. I couldn't even tell you. >> It wasn't passed in Congress until '92. It wasn't codified until 95 with Florida building code. >> Okay. And just to point out again why staff would like this site plan because I'm looking at a PNZ case number. In
2003, a site plan was approved which clearly depicts a handicap space. >> That's why I don't know what's going on. >> That's why staff would really love to see this parking situation. >> If you'll send that to me, we can resubmit that as the necessary graphic and agree that that can stick. >> Perfect. >> Sure.
>> I think what Richard said would be a good compromise and move this along. >> Yeah, let's just move this along. That'll be fine. Could we get a motion to uh approve it with conditions as is uh for one through three and then just make number four please provide a site
plan that shows one handicap parking spot >> except we we need to strike the Florida building code on the first one as well >> and that too. >> All right. >> So Chris, since you're talking about go ahead and make a motion.
>> All right. Any other discussion? Everybody good? All right. So for uh I would move for case number SM OD 0000527-205 at 8801 West Gulf Boulevard, Treasure
Island. Uh that the zoning board make a motion to approve the site plan to allow the proposed 297 foot tiki hut to be installed over an existing seating area for an existing alcoholic beverage establishment. uh with the conditions that are shown
but edited to remove Florida building code from condition one and to delete or modify condition four to simply say that the property owner will provide a striped handicapped ADA space
um on the property. Sounds good. Can I have a second? >> Second. All right, we got a motion by Chris Downing, a second by Grant Smith. Could we have a roll call? >> Valeria Cree, >> yes. >> Gary Penziano, >> yes. >> Mark Sodeski,
>> hi. >> Chris Downing, >> yes. >> Daniel Billingsley, >> hi. >> Grant Smith, >> yes. >> Richard Harris, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay, go build your tiki hut. Okay, let's see here. Public comments for non-aggenda items. Anybody in the
public who wants to speak? >> Thank you, everybody. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Seeing none reports and comments from city attorney staff and board members. >> Yes. >> We'll let Gavin go first. Anything you got? >> Uh I don't have anything specific. You
guys have any questions for me? Um always feel free to reach out. Um I do quite a few office hours. Been here four days this week. So I think everyone has my cell. If not, feel free to get with me afterwards and I'm happy to provide that for you.
In regard to staff, I know we've got Joan Goodrich in the audience. We'd love to hear from you and see if anything's developing in this hurricane damaged uh ghost town we live in. At least my street is.
>> Well, not true. What an exciting board meeting what y'all have done in continuing the momentum. So, I do have a um slide deck. So, I'm just going to move here and then move back. >> Okay, great. Yeah, I'm sorry. >> I'm mostly speaking about my street,
Joan. It's a ghost town. >> Yes, I need a >> Yeah. Yeah. Houses. Every every house on my street is >> there's not I can I can do it where you have to. Well, again, I call this um presentation
momentum because you can certainly feel it on the island. And again, thank you all for what you're doing to to move um folks forward that are rebuilding, that are recovering. And like I said, what a
very exciting meeting. Um so, oh, just wanted I know most of you again advocated for this new role of economic development. So we put it in place in January of this year the office of economic development and it's certainly
my privilege to be its first um your first economic development director but I did just want to spend a moment in why economic development matters. Um, again, from an economic development point of view, my role to simply facilitate
conversations between those that want to make investment in our economy and everything else in our community. And when we have successful businesses and a successful economy that provides taxbased services, vibrancy to our
community, then our community um well-being rises too. So, um, the last couple of months again as we continue to get our legs underneath us, some of the new ventures in addition to some of what you had
already approved and supporting with Katiki, our 20 um one room hotel, the Marquee Cafe came online in the south side of town. Adam opened up Planet Ice Cream and Candy next to Publix. Um,
Curious Soul Britney opened up and if you haven't been by for her coffee and baked goods, custom cakes here on 107th, I invite you to please go and see her. Um, a new family took over original pizza. So, um, Brooklyn and her family
now are running that just um, a block up. And um you might have noticed Bristol Cleaners moved from 107th um uh into the old hardware um building is now called Seaside Cleaners. So these
are just some of the small businesses now that are moving into the spaces that are available to them and um rebuilding that vibrancy and moving um our momentum forward. So why Treasure Island, you know? So, as
I continue to have conversations with those that you might put me in contact with, um, those that I meet as I'm networking or those that get referred in all kinds of different ways. You know, the market growth potential here on the island is extraordinary. You told me
that when I first came in, and it is is true. Um, our strong visitor hospitality industry does provide a great foundation. Um, however, there's the ups and downs of this industry. So, as we look forward, we should think about how
we can diversify um our industry here on the island. The strategic location with direct access to the largest city in the region um gives us great opportunity as we move forward. Um, responsive municipal services and ready
infrastructure is here. Um, but as I heard you question, making sure that we always have what we need as we continue to evolve the island moving forward of course is important from a concurrency point of view. Pro business leadership
mindset mindset that we have on the um deis and the problem solving mindset that we have here in city hall and with our board um leadership like yourself. You know, these are the things that I talk to um and talk about as I carry the
Treasure Island message forward. You already know um and have seen what's in the works, but this is again um a part of a presentation that I do make as as I um bring the word of Treasure Island forward. So, of course, we continue um
to um watch for Catt's um next chapter here on the island move forward. so much um amazing um conversation around our Thunder Thunderbird Beach Resort and some of the um uh potential changes um
to our LDRs to support our RFM um 50 category. Of course, the Tahesian um now is evolving into the seaside beach resort. New ownership, new ideas um for the island. And again, just what um you
had um spoken about and supported tonight are wonderful examples of what's in the works for the island. Some of the completed and reopenings. Now, for some communities again, you know, why is Waffle House reopening something to um
be excited about or the Bayside in and Marina coming back after having such a um you know, all of the repairs, beautiful repairs and renovations they've done in the Bilmark. Well, that's the Treasure Island way. Every time we see somebody else reopen their
doors, especially after what we've been through, is um an appropriate um opportunity to celebrate and to go. We're building momentum. So, coming soon, we continue to work with the owners on 107th on the north
side of the um street, Mr. um Schlommo Melo. Um he now owns 116 through 152 um there uh next to um what in between Surf Style and Foxy's. So um we are now
supporting his leasing team, his new leasing team as um he looks at building um a new business mix there um as he brings back that um shopping center for us. Additionally, another local family
has been working on the 111 property across the street from him where GG's is. I'm sorry the my photography isn't so good. Um, but on the corner where those three cars are to the left. So, we're working with now uh another new business that's looking to go into that
space. So again, um where we'll have the opportunity to see new construction is once we fill our existing um spaces, we'll have that interest grow as we look to um bring new commercial spaces and
properties um onto the island. The momentum with intention, of course, I've heard you all um talk since I've been here of our three strategic areas of opportunity. um the downtown um area, the Treasure Bay area, and of course the
John's Pass area. Um uh between community development and myself, we've been in a lot of conversations with all three of these areas and the property owners in these areas as we support their next steps moving forward. And of
course, the important project that you'll be kicking off in conjunction with the um city commission as it relates to the LDR's phase two and an an important part to unleashing um our full potential with these key strategic areas
of opportunity um along with the conversation we just had this week with um the city commission around a new Treasure Island citywide master planning process. um again is key um for us to
really look at the big picture. Take this opportunity um to to recognize what we've all been through, what we've all been hoping for. Um when I got into the um files as it related to all of the planning that
we've done over the past 20 25 years, again, a lot of fantastic work that we can build on. um yet there's a lot of um work that we'll need to do on that problem solving side of things as we um
make sure that um tomorrow's Treasure Island is better than today. So for those of you that have um I've spent some time with, you'll know that I'm a bit of a data nerd. So I always approach this work of economic development and looking at our
indicators. And this is why I feel um confident that again the theme for economic development moving forward is definitely momentum. But there are, you know, the the data tells us we've been on this slippery slope here on the island for quite some time. From a
population point of view, we've lost 6% of our population. Um not quickly. Um but since 2010, we've lost 6% of our um residents from the island. We have 37 umund00 households.
Uh average age is 62.1 here on the island and our household size is 1.69. From a downtown foot traffic point of view, we've got a a new tool now that we're filling some of this gap for data
information. And that tool is telling us that since 2022, we've on been on a downward trend um as far as downtown activity. And you can see that number. We've dropped um business activity by almost 40%. Um but what's interesting is
those um that come to the downtown that use the downtown on average are younger than what the island is median's age is. So so our average visitor um or user of the downtown is 43 and then the
household size for that um for for downtown activity is 2.3. So this is maybe where when we see on Saturdays and Sundays the parking lots fill up, you know, um the families coming going to the beach and then coming in to eat and
shop um and um listen to some good live music. From a hotel per um performance point of view, boy, you know, no surprise, it's been a rough year. So these are our recent numbers um from our partners that visit St. Pete Clearwater.
So, while occupancy is up by 4%, supply continues to remain um down. No surprise Thunderbird is down, Tahesian is down, some of these other hotels are still down, but demand is also down. So, um you
know, something for us to continue to to look for because the competitive environment certainly for visitors is extraordinary. So again, if we're going to continue to um support the visitor um and hospitality industry on the island,
we're going to have to work at it. You know, nobody's coming here just because we're Treasure Island, not when they've got other choices to the north and south of us. So, some of the work that we'll do with our property owners um again to to modernize, to renovate, and then as
we as a community continue to build amenities in which they need to come to Treasure Island because they can only get fill-in- thelank um you know, so so that's some of the the cool work that we have to do together. from a commercial
real estate um point of view. Just wanted to let you know current office space we we have none. It's all whatever we had is filled and it's it's going at about $22.50. Um retail we've got 12%
um vacancy right now um for 31.51. But as we uh repurpose our commercial properties, as we build new mixed juice um commercial properties, of course, all of that's going to go up. And um you
know, once again, we're going to have to compete for the type of tenants that um we'd like to have here on the island or we'd like to take from other places and put them here on the island. I push office and when I talk to to um locals
here about the office they go don't need it. And I I'd like to just get you thinking that yes we do and we can um support new office on the island especially with some of the opportunities that we have for small
headquarters bringing back professional service firms creative service firms um etc. So there is a place for us um the office market that's currently um you know not in a center city downtown area.
Um and again that's because of our location to the um top city um around from a non-residential tax base. We're about 624 um million dollars that we contribute um to the community. That is down by 6.5%.
Um, we lost 17% value of all properties on the island since the storms. Um but I and our non-residential tax base contributes 16% to the to the overall um Treasure Island businesses and jobs were
about um you know just close to 400 businesses and that's everything from a solo um prneur um to those that you see in our storefronts in um Main Street and about 2400 jobs. So, um
I just wanted to check and make sure that there wasn't anything else that I wanted to point out. Well, I I I do actually want to point out. So, from a commercial um construction um point of view, uh you all know this, but again, I just want to um repeat it
for those that might be newer to the island. The last time we saw new commercial construction was the Fusion in 2019. um Publix came on board um 2008. So between 2008 and this period of time for
the last 17 years, Treasure Island has welcomed just a little over 200,000 square feet of non-residential um construction or commercial um construction. So that's just about
12,000 square feet of new every year. we can do better and we certainly have an opportunity um as as we move forward together to um build build that vibrancy. Thank you. Um I I'll go faster because I
know I'm between you and um maybe the Katiki hut. Um, so again, some of the hur hurdles that I need your help in solving is um we need to if we're going to build and diversify our um economic base, we're going to need more places to
put businesses and entrepreneurs headquarters um small headquarters into it. We'll need more of those commercial um spaces. One of the hurdles that I'm having and I'm losing um new businesses to town is some of what you had talked
about earlier was parking. You know, so parking as it relates to businesses going into our existing um spaces in particular. Um we we can't accommodate them right now based on our our current parking rules.
Um, so you know, as you look at the LDRs, I ask that you especially pay attention um to that part of the code, too. Commercial rules, which again you you're working on, but our approach to how we take care of um and how we
support um some of the the folks that came into um you tonight. You know, I'm looking to add some additional value to that. So, as they're touching community development, I want to get involved earlier so we can build those
relationships because they these um projects and businesses don't only just need city services. They they could possibly need some other things as they continue to grow and prosper in our community. And an example of that would
be one of the small businesses that I'm assisting that's looking for some financing to help with working capital. So again, my connections to um our other um economic partners to bring some of that to the table so it doesn't they
don't have to just do everything on their own. So looking to build in a new program called business navigator services in which there is that enhanced um level of service that we provide here in Treasure Island and that'll become part of our um competitive advantage as
we move forward. Again, I already talked about the commercial activity. We're on um the wrong slope. We want to go up instead of down. Um thinking about how we use um city property. Um a lot of conversation around that. In the months
that I've been here, you know, what can go where and what should go there and and what can we do with public private partnerships moving forward. So these are some of the things in new tools that we'll put in a new toolbox I think as we go through the um citywide uh master
planning process competitive mindset even coming to this work with that that yeah you know we can compete with our neighbors to the north and south for what we want um you know
and getting really good at building um the team approach in order to win more um and that flows into then one of the other hurdles that we'll need to serve um solve together is having unified messaging. When you go to communities that are winning generally no matter who
you talk to in that community they're saying the same thing. So I think we've got some great um opportunities for us to to unify messaging. So when you all are out there in the community, um you know, we're, you know, one team,
Treasure Island, saying the same thing. You know, we want you, we welcome you. Um and um you know, and this is because we know what we want. Um and then just the champions and partnerships. Um we shouldn't go it alone. We don't have to
go it alone. It's one of the reasons why the first six months um I was here on the island, we spent time and looking at all of the grant opportunities and um disaster recovery funds that the island has um that can avail itself. You know,
that's kind of the upside to going through a disaster, unfortunately. um and putting those partnerships in place, whether it's with the county when we go to compete for community development block grant disaster recovery funds um early next year,
whether that's fighting for funds from the state or fighting for funds from the CH um from um Washington. These are, you know, we've got to, you know, kind of suit up, arm up, and and get a little swag with our um requests because um
Treasure Island deserves it. And um we can certainly um win more if we've got stronger partners. So, from an OED, Office of Economic Development mission, um our mission is to spark to spark and support a thriving and dynamic economy,
bringing Treasure Island to life. uh my plan for the next 12 months um and really part it is the strategic framework for the next five years of work simply to increase the non-residential tax base. So I'm counting I've got my baselines. This is
where you know my um focus on um plans is really um annoying to some I should say. Um, stimulating commercial rehab and new construction, again, office, flex, retail, and hospitality, increasing the downtown
customer foot traffic, beginning to work on that with our partners, expanding the diverse mix of business, companies, and jobs. And yeah, we can um recruit companies, and improving the city's reputation for business. So everything that I do um that I do in conjunction
with you, my colleagues here at the city um partners um beyond the city um is all focused on that. So um Mr. Chair, that concludes my um report from economic development and um
>> there you go. >> I got a couple questions for you. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Uh some of us on this board were here uh Tuesday night and of course the uh comprehensive land use plan modification for the resort facilities
high district uh was approved on the first reading. On the fourth it probably uh if things go the way that they seem to be going will be approved of the second reading. uh what can we do because the one that is first and
foremost is Thunderbird. What can we do to encourage them to come on in with a site plan for our review? I mean, I hear a lot of negativity out there. There's certain individuals, especially um that are saying, "Oh, they're just
doing this so they can sell it." And I've had a lot of conversations with people and said, "No, they're actually working on plans and we would like to see that plan." Uh, what have you heard about them proceeding? >> Well, I don't think anybody goes through
a lot of these process without having interest in trying to get to the to the end. Um, so as as far as I know, you know, getting to the end and seeing the Thunderbird um rise up here in Treasure
Island is is the end result that we look forward to. For for me, I think the opportunity that they suggested that we can use development agreements um for some of this work moving forward
versus maybe traditionally how the island has done is intriguing. I've served two communities in which we had that tool in the toolbox and it gave the community a lot of um opportunity to benefit not only from again I if it
wasn't enough for the community that you know the building coming back the new construction the tax base the jobs the yada yada yada um or the etc etc etc excuse me um but if the community well
the like one community wanted um contribution because they needed some new um fire equipment. Um there was bus stops along a particular road that the community wanted for more safety. um there was bike lanes that were um
provided, you know, so this notion of community benefits, you know, as part of developer agreements, I I think um is a good opportunity for the island and kind of speaks to what I was saying. We don't
have to do everything ourselves. So this notion of partnership, I think, is a positive one. So I look forward to you know supporting that work and then you know so what we have to do now is have that conversation with the community and go okay what's the list
you know of um potential community benefits that we know >> the thing I'd like to see I think the Thunderbird will be the catalyst what I see out here is the Thunderbird the Arilla the Sands the Tah Tahesian and
the Gators property are the four that uh are right for something to happen. And I think of course the Thunderbird is the one that once again is first and foremost I just want to see if we can do anything to encourage them to go
forward. Like I said earlier, there's a lot of people saying, "Oh, they're just getting ready to sell it." And of course, we don't want to uh I mean, I've met the owners. They uh you know, it's not done until I
see some dirt turning out there. And I just want to say that uh from this board standpoint and then disagree with me if you don't agree with me. We just like to see what we could uh >> I think well I agree with that and I think uh you know one of the things the city could do is from a teaming approach
is make sure that uh you know the Thunderbird uh gets all the help they need so that they don't get arbitrary roadblocks in front of them be it you know going forward with um submitting you know their plans and to the any degree that
uh you know could reduce their own costs and and getting the permitting part of this done. that's within the the purview of the city would would make sense. I realize that we're kind of limited on that. Um and obviously to the degree that they can do the right thing to help
uh provide some good back to the public in terms of what that site, you know, development plan would look like um would be what the rest of the population here wants. But we certainly don't want to do anything to stand in the way of them moving forward quickly. >> Yeah. Somehow we just got to figure out
how to encourage them to go ahead and pull the trigger and get some dirt turning >> cuz uh >> you know I mean >> just to move on with a few other things. I mean we're going to have a joint meeting on uh Monday with the city commission at uh 6 o'clock to talk about
the LDRs. >> Four o'clock. >> Is it four? >> Yes. >> Okay. Sorry. I got the >> I need to uh make sure I show up at the right time. >> Try to help you. >> Yeah. appreciate that. Well, normally the meetings are at 6:00, but anyway, at 4 to phase two and you know, just
looking around the city, oh, there's some I don't think this city has actually had, and correct me if I'm wrong, a true resoning in the last 30 years. I mean, I know we did something at Triangle Park and that doesn't count in my mind, right? Uh, I'm talking about
a real reasonzoning and the only way I can ever see anything happening at the yach club because that's one of the uh most dis biggest biggest disappointments in the whole city. I mean, we got this beautiful facility sitting down there empty and they've used up all their
capacity with their current zoning district and we need to have them start thinking about a different type of zoning for that property. I think that can all be a part of this, you know, broader discussion on the city master plan to make help make something like that happen in terms of the necessary
zoning changes um in particular those areas >> and and I'll say, you know, everyone that has an interest on the island is paying attention to all of the conversations that are had, >> you know, at your meetings, at the
commission meetings, etc. So, um, you know, everybody wants the same thing, which is a better Treasure Island. How we get there together is is what we'll, you know, what we'll figure out. >> Yeah. John, I app I appreciate you've got a you've got a tough job. You know,
you put coming into, you know, tough time in the city to to be the economic developer. And I appreciate the statistics and everything that you shared today. and and particularly, you know, the need for a unified unified messaging coming out to to help the
city. Um, I think all of us would probably agree that part of what's missing for the city is a vision as a part of this. And it's not really something I saw in your presentation today, and I encourage you to as a part of, you know, the master planning process, and I appreciate the fact that you're supportive of of getting that
done, too. um that we all together need to work on a vision that can actually inc you know catal become the catalyst for the kind of development that everybody wants here. Um and it it's missing right now. I think we're we're we probably all
I I couldn't tell you what the you know the you know what's the definable difference of why Treasure Island and not somewhere else. And you know we have great assets here. um not sure we've quite gotten to the place where we've capitalized on from a from that vision point of view, but I appreciate your efforts.
>> We're we're this close to doing it together and that's what's so exciting momentum. >> Joan Joan, question for you. A couple questions. Um you guys have put a lot of work in going out and chasing grants.
Did we get any? >> Are we in the process? Are they done? >> We're we're we're moving through it. It was so funny. That was such a wonderful learning experience. We um discovered 51 funding opportunities for the island for
various reasons. Um just starting with the federal government through FEMA. Um I just have in my mind this S or this snake that they call it. So, you know, we've been making our way through these projects. Um but you know, FEMA is
looking pretty good for for some of the um reimbursement in particular um that we're fighting for and our new grants manager and that function that we put in now is on lead point for that with um some of the consultants that the state
gave us that are still with us to get through that. Um, what I learned is disaster funding is big business and without but for the city putting in that investment. We certainly wouldn't have gotten um as far as we have. Um, we put
in $30 million worth of grants um for hazard mitigation and we got some we continue to move through that process. Again, not as fast as as we'd all like, but we continue to positive positively take um steps through the process. And
then again, our next big um opportunity is with Penllis County. Um we just saw this week the county opened up the portal for all of the residential um people first programs out of the 813 million. There's another 400 million for
communities like us and that opens up in the spring. So we've got our grants team, our electeds, all of our friends starting to position us for that too. Um so um Gary gosh the minute we win um
competitive mindset um any grant we'll be celebrating with all of you because again it literally took the whole um island to get us this far. >> I know there's a lot of activity back there and it's nice to see that not being so trans it's not transparent enough for us to see it. It's nice to see some activity back there, but I
think it might help your cause a little bit too. Somehow you can We don't expect to see every detail of, but we're out there chasing this, we're chasing that, chasing that. I think it would be very helpful not only to this group, but also the residents. >> Yeah. So, so I I believe the city
manager has us um earmarked for the second meeting in November um led by our chief financial officer, Victor Ortiz, where we've got the grant function um embedded in our in our finance group. So, I believe that's going to be um
right before the holiday uh before the Thanksgiving holiday that um we'll be bringing forward the um update report to the community. >> Very beneficial. >> Thank you. Good. >> Yeah. I had a specific question, a general one, Joan. The 6% population
decline that you reported, does that account for the people that are off the island as a result of the storm? >> Um, no. So, this is going to definitely come from whatever our public sources is right now. Right now, this is
Ezri. So, no. So, I don't think this is showing um the impact of the storms yet. >> A pretty storm. Yeah. So, >> so I think these figures, you know, take me through 2024 if I remember or first quarter 2025 and it's not going to show
us whatever behavior is doing. Now, the tool that I'm using for downtown foot traffic, I'm still playing um with this tool um with the rest of the team. It can show me activity in not only for the whole island or
downtown or this or that. So, there's some work that I'm going to do to see if I can get a a a sense for um foot traffic here um on the island that'll give us a little better numbers as to what's um happening. Okay.
>> Thanks. And then the general question is in your experience, you mentioned working with uh developers in the past and producing public benefit as a result of that. Could could you just briefly explain how that process worked in your experience? Did you solicit public input? Did the developers put forth in
their site plan proposed amenities that the public would benefit from? How did that work? >> Um, yes, we did. You know, at the time that we put community benefits on the table, we were actually going through our comp plan um update. So, we did um
use that very public engagement process. So, what we can do with the um master plan is the same thing. So when we huddle together, not only will we look at, you know, what do you want here or what amenity or how big the character
etc. we can have that conversation and community benefits. So I think we had actually a list of 25 things. Um and we asked the um investors um developers, property owners, you know, to first take a look at that list. um some of them
even came up with some of some ideas we didn't even think about but at least there was some sort of thing. So then as they went through whatever um formal processes in order to um bring the project to reality that all was brought
forward during those processes. Does does that make sense? So, we did have a list going in when we had those conversations, you know, like when our community development team has those conversations um initially >> and that list was derived from public input. >> Yes, sir.
>> Okay. Yep. Thanks. >> Actually, I have a question, Jim. >> Thank you, Jim. I have a question. >> Oh, go for it, Jesse. I don't usually get one out of you. >> So, >> Jesse Jesse's getting me back because I ask him like 14 questions a day. So,
okay, Jesse. >> Yeah. So, I just saw at last night the city of Madera Beach, um they just did an update of their master plan. So, basically what they have now, would that be a good idea of what the city of Treasure Island could expect out of the master plan?
>> Um well, I haven't looked at Madiraa Beach, so if it's citywide, absolutely. I know I've pulled four um communities. Puna Gorda is one that I had some time looking at. Um, so that's good. Um, as
we prepare, as as the staff team prepares for our conversation with the commission, um, uh, they directed the manager to, um, move fast. So by November 4th, you know, we're talking to, um, a bunch of resources and stuff
like that to try and bring this in for a landing. Um yeah, you know, the citywide master plan, interestingly, hasn't been used, I think, as much in Florida as it has in some other um communities, but we're going to try and bring forward citywide master plans done here in
Florida, you know, to give us a sense of of what, you know, what it looks like because we want it to be um or um if I were making recommendations um as holistic as possible.
I guess okay I'll look at it more but yeah Madera Beach they did do an update on their master plan last night so haven't looked at it completely but it is in their agenda packet. >> Anybody else got any comments for John? >> Thank you all. And um I just want to
make a call to action. If you have any recommendations, any referrals, any business you want me to meet, I know you all are connected. please, you know, help help the new girls still make these um connections in the community because the the more we know um the stronger
relationships that we can make with our um economic leaders, you make my job so much easier. Thank you. >> Okay, the um meeting is since I've been corrected four o'clock on Monday. Hope to see everybody there. The one thing
that I wanted to bring up, I brought it up Tuesday night, but I want to see what this board thinks. We only have 11 different zoning categories in this city. Uh, four of them are actually stuff like preservation, recreation, no
open space, institutional, transportation, utilities. Those aren't really going to change. The only one that might change is good old Treasure Bay. Hadn't quite figured out what we want to do there. But the rest of them um are sort of
restrictive. What I touched on earlier was the yacht club. It's currently residential medium 15 units per acre. And I think in order to get that piece of property moving in some direction, we're going to have to come up with some new zoning districts. And one of them
that I was uh got a use a lot of use of in the past was a planned development zoning district which I would love to see in Treasure Island. We kind of have two right now which is our downtown area. The trouble is it has a very re
restrictive downtown redevelopment plan which unfortunately was put in place I think correct me if I'm wrong Jesse that thing we found the other day I think it finally got done in 2009 hadn't been touched since because
it doesn't quite make all the various developers very happy. uh a PD ordinance basically puts it in the hands of the developer and says, "Show us what you want. Just don't come up with anything lacko." I mean,
you come in here with a 20s story building or uh overhangers over go over 107th. you know, obviously that's not going to fly, but it does put the onus instead of trying to make the city tell them what
we want, they say, "Hey, how about we do this?" And it's becomes a negotiation process. So, think about that over the weekend and maybe we can help guide the uh city commission in the right direction because I'd love to see a planned development type zoning for our
downtown area, for the uh yach club, for the Gators property. I think uh the west side of Gulf Boulevard, I think that's going to handle itself because these some of these older hotels, they have either started to come down or in the
process. But um where the creativity is going to be needed is obviously the yach club. That's a real disappointment to me. Another one that's really disappointing is Gators. I mean, right across the water, we got one of the most vibrant uh shopping areas for tourists
in the county and on our side, we got a it's even before the storm, it wasn't much there. So, give us some thought and we'll hope to see you guys on the 27th. Anybody got anything else? >> Sounds sounds good.
>> Well, our next actual meeting and how are we looking for the 20th of November, Jesse? We going to have any cases? >> Yeah. I did have a list. >> That'll be the week before Thanksgiving for week, right? Yeah. >> Yep.
>> On the 27th. >> What Whatever happened on the Gator property with the the uh city-owned park there? Was any changes made on that? We're still sitting not not to repair at this point. You know where the R it's >> on which property is that?
>> It's the parkish kingfish. >> Well, it is a street rightaway. The city now owns it, >> right? No changes have happened with that. That's just asis at this point. >> That's just as is. >> Yeah. We're what you know. So having that doing, you know, work with a plan
development district for that and the other districts makes a lot of sense because >> well the thing is >> can do a lot of lot of good >> for instance I mean that's where the and if anybody wants to see a copy of it that's where the old bridge used to go across and that bridge abutment is falling apart. Yeah.
>> I think one of the previous public works directors saying a half a million dollars to repair it. >> Yeah. And uh I think Arthur Zison was very uh accurate on that one. Sell it to Green Leaf Capital and let them fix it cuz uh
that little park. I just don't want to see the city of Treasure Island spend a half a million bucks on a uh bridge abutment. It's it's kind of a seaw wall, >> right? I just want to protect I just want to protect the that the public access right there to whatever
development ends up and that would be part of that plan development district. So we really it can all be h happened at the same time. >> Well, the one that's been interesting and I'll let get to you in a second because uh my next door neighbor used to own what is now Corey Landings over in
um St. P Beach and I thought their public amenities were pretty good, but they uh sent it back to the developer and said, "Try again." So, uh I mean it included a public park >> and uh I mean Green Leaf Capital,
I've kind of known them a little bit about them from my uh past occupation and uh they do some pretty goodiz projects. It'd be nice to see them pull the trigger on something out here, too. But anyway, go ahead, Joe. See what's what you got.
>> Yeah. So, just some upcoming things. I can't guarantee which one of these are going to fall in next meeting. Um, so we have a special exception and site plan for just a single family, and that's strictly because it's in a CG zoning district, and non-conforming lot. The only thing left is single family for that one. A variance for a commercial
dock, a site plan, and a plat for a 10 town homes. Uh, another site plan for a coffee shop and an outdoor dining area. uh variance typical stairs in the front yard and then also another possible
variance for square footage non-conforming. Not sure we got a meet with them again and then also a site plan approval for the a six-unit building. >> What was the last one? >> The last one uh it's like a six-unit building. It's being redeveloped. Oh, >> okay.
>> But they're also requesting it's don't quite understand. We're going to have to meet with them again. They're also requesting like a variance to like the non-conforming square footage. Like they want to build back six units, but then they want to go beyond the permitted square footage underneath the
non-conforming section of code. Um, I discussed it earlier today with uh Mary Ellen and Jackie. We're just going to have to meet with them again to make sure that we understand what they're trying to do. >> Cuz if you try to come in for and try to get six non-conforming
density units, but you increase your square footage, like they mentioned, you pretty much you can't do that then because you're increasing your square footage. You'd have to meet the density that the lot's at now, >> right? >> So, yeah, we're just going to have to meet with them again and see what's going on with that one. But
>> yeah, some good things coming up. >> Oh, we'll have a few cases to look at on the 20th and that'll be your Thanksgiving gift. >> Great. >> Move to adjourn. >> All right. Very good. >> Yeah, Jesse, the one that you get to
hear about again is Pearl. >> You can just tell