Good evening and welcome to the regular commission meeting of May 20th, 2025. I'd like to call this meeting to order. Now, if we could please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. State clerk, would you please call a roll? Good evening. Commissioner Vasquez here. Commissioner Clark here.
Commissioner Sison here. Mayor doctor here. Thank you. All right. Approval of regular and workshop agendas. Does anybody have anything?
Okay. So, we uh we did cancel tonight's workshop uh agenda. Um that uh basically was where we're going to be going with that was an update of all of the current activity up there. Uh we will be doing a workshop, but it will be on a standalone
evening. Um so that we will have plenty of time to uh to go over all of the work that's being done out there and uh and as well all of the uh the work that we would anticipate may take place for our
20 26 budget. So that's uh that's what we're going to do tonight. So that will not be on the agenda. Do I? Um, no you do not. Oh, I'm sorry for the minutes. Abs. Absolutely. But, uh, we're still at the
approval of the next thing minutes. Okay. Um, no, we're going to have the next is that we're going to have a I'm sorry, a uh a presentation given to us by the uh visitor hospitality industry presented
by uh Visit St. Pete Clearwater. Good evening, mayor, commissioners, members of the public. Joan Goodrich from your office of economic development here to just introduce our presenter tonight. Um, visitor, our visitor hospitality industry is our legacy
industry, our number one industry here in Treasure Island. Partnerships matter as we build our community. And this particular partnership matters as we continue to strengthen our local economy. We've had a stellar partnership
with Visit St. Pete Clearwater who serves as the county's tourism destination marketing organization. We've been fortunate that we have one of our very own Clyde Smith from the Bill Maher who also serves on Penllis County's Tourist Development
Council to make sure that our voice is raised um from Treasure Island as we do this important work to continue to strengthen this industry. Brian Lowak. Um I'm so proud that he um
accepted our invitation to join us in particular in the month of May as we celebrate tourism and travel across the industry across the country. Brian's been our president and CEO of Visit St. Pete Clearwater since the middle of
2023. He's no stranger to Penllis County. He's been born and raised here. He's done his whole professional career here with the board of county commissioners with um county administration and now he leads our team with visit St. Pete Clearwater. So, um,
we want to thank, um, Brian and your team for the extraordinary partnership that we've had with you here on Treasure Island as you've supported our signature event, Sandy Novations, as you continue support our recovery, and in particular,
as we stand up our economic development um, function here on the island. his team has been enormously um beneficial as we look at data, statistics, and all of those things that will drive our economic development um program forward.
So again, it's my pleasure to introduce to you Brian Lowak. Good evening, Mayor Doctor Commission. Good to see you, Chief. Uh and thank you for having me this evening. Uh as Joan said, it's all about partnerships with us. Uh I have the privilege of having
the best job in the world. I get to brag uh not only throughout the country but around the world about my hometown, the place that we call home. Uh but we do it in partnership with our communities. Uh and I want to give a shout out to Joan. Uh I think when she came on uh with
within a couple of weeks of her being on the job, she reached out to me. We met uh and we continue to talk about how we can better collaborate and grow that partnership. Uh before I start, I do want to give a shout out also to Oliver Cougler who's with us tonight. Oliver oversees all of our community
engagement. Uh so you may see him at a Rotary Club, a chamber of commerce, um other uh community meetings talking about the value of tourism and how we partner. So who are we? And and before I get started, uh as Joan alluded to, I've been with the organization now for just
under two years. And uh with the county, uh Penelis County government for almost 13 years. And I had in my head of, hey, these guys over here at Visit St. Pete Clearwater. They take out some ads and they tell people the beaches are open and we just sit back and wait for people to come. Uh in these two years that I've
been there, I've learned uh how much more we are, what we do, and what goes into this thing called tourism. And so, as I've learned, it's been a privilege to go around the community and talk to others about what goes into this to make it happen. So, who are we? Hopefully, you've heard of us by now, but uh we are
the official tourism marketing um uh organization for Penllis County, working both uh in the state of Florida, in the US, and around the world to promote the destination and ultimately drive visitation to the destination to increase economic impact.
How are we funded? Uh tourism development tax uh otherwise known as the bed tax. This is a supplemental tax paid by all overnight visitors. If you're staying overnight in Penllis County for under six months, doesn't matter if you're staying in a hotel,
short-term rental, RV park, down at Fort Dotto at the campsite, you're paying the bed tax. Uh we are one of 11 counties in the state of Florida uh that collect a 6% bed tax. And we started doing that in 2015. we reached the high tourism impact
uh status designation where we could go from 5 cents to 6 cents. We're one of 11 counties that do that. And then these tourist development tax dollars, what what can they be used for? They can be used for two things essentially under state statute and that is to market the
destination as well as pay for projects that will increase uh tourism to the destination. Here in Penllis County, we're also governed in addition to the state statute by our local tourism development plan. And ours reads that 60% of that TDT goes to fund our
marketing efforts, our organization, and 40% goes to, uh, fund those capital projects. Um, most importantly, uh, beach nourishment and actually beach nourishment is the only project that we have, um, that has a dedicated
percentage. It's one half of 1% goes specifically towards beach nourishment. So what do we do? Um obviously we're the marketing organization and advertising and promotions. That's the largest part portion of our budget. Uh that's um uh
what people think of that is all of the uh integrated media plans that we have uh working the entire funnel. Uh but we also do public relations and uh our PR folks uh do a great job at uh coordinating with media and journalists
uh publications from around the world to bring them here in person to the destination experience them uh the destination themselves. Come see our beaches, our wonderful hotels, our great Michelin Guide recommended restaurants and our worldclass museums and then go
back and tell the world about those. And the best part about that is it costs a whole lot less than the uh the paid media there. Digital and data. Uh this does all of our data and our website. Um we're a data driven organization. So all the decisions we make rely on that data
we receive. We have a lot of it. Business development. These are all of our sales teams. So um from the meetings and conferences, people think we don't have a convention center. So we don't get conventions, conferences, and meetings here. Yes, we do. Uh we do have a segment of of properties up and down
our 35 milesi of uh beach as well as in downtown St. Petersburg all the way up to uh Inisbrook Resort where we can accommodate uh those large groups uh incentives uh corporate groups as well as association sports commission. They're bringing tournaments here.
They're bringing amateur sports here uh every week. Right now our sports team is up at the uh Bayair Ballpark. They've got the AAC athletic um uh baseball tournament going on there. So, everything from the world uh shuffleboard championship down at the
shuffleboard club in St. Petersburg to uh bowling tournaments to swimming competitions, sailing competitions, uh softball, they do it all. They bring it here and they drive hundreds of thousands of room nights. Film commission. We do have a film commission here. Um, one of the projects that that
they worked on recently and in partnership with the city, uh, is to bring the HD TV um, uh, the now I'm I'm going to get the, uh, name of the show. Rock the Block, the most popular one, um, to the destination. They, uh, work
with a lot of films, uh, the biggest one and, uh, one with the most notoriety probably being Dolphin Tale a few years ago. uh do a lot of Hallmark, a lot of Lifetime uh movies. Global leisure travel, we split into two. We f we have one team that focuses on the US and
Canadian market. Canada is our largest international market uh by far and away. Last year we got over about 550,000 visitors from uh Canada coming here. uh and they work with the trade um work with those tour operators to educate
them on the destination and then put together packages to sell uh for their agents to sell um to the destination. Um in on the international side, this is we have teams in the UK and London, teams in Germany and then down in Latin
America, both in Brazil, uh now Bogota, Colombia, as well as Mexico City that promote the destination. Community engagement, I alluded to earlier, they're out in the community talking about the value of tourism and working with our chambers and our community groups. Brand activations, they represent us at these elite events. Uh
if there's an event going on, there's going to be visitors and residents there. our brand activations team is there representing us. Uh to the residents, they're talking about the value of tourism and to visitors, they're pointing them in the right direction for uh recommendations on dinner, attractions, and things to do
while they're in in the market. And then our finance and administration team uh they make sure we can do the job. So, we talk about economic impact. What did that look like in 2024? Well, it look like this. 15 uh.4 million visitors, occupied over 6.4 4 million
hotel rooms, creating 96.6 million in TDT. Um they had uh 62 million uh in uh sales tax by visitors. So you know when you think about penny for penllis and how uh both the county and our municipalities use that for our
infrastructure. 62.5 million were paid by those visitors last year. $420 million in local taxes. Those are local taxes including uh the penny local local sales tax, bed tax, as well as property tax. 6.8 billion in direct spending.
That was a record. And 11.2 billion in total economic impact. And when we talk about economic development, um tourism and hospitality is the number one uh job uh sector in Penllis County. It accounts for one in 10 jobs. Last year that meant
over 100,000 jobs. And then um uh $993 savings for every that shouldn't be resident. It should be household. And what does that mean? It saved them that much. It means that when you take those uh local taxes between property taxes, sales tax, and bed tax that get
reinvested into the community, there was uh a $993 value on those taxes that res households are not paying um for the services that we get to enjoy here each and every day. So moving in 2024, we had our our
campaign was let shine and then the storms came through in September and October. And we knew that we had to change directions and we wanted to come up with how do we go and let the world know that yes, we were punched in the mouth. We were damaged. We were not
destroyed. And that especially those um visitors that are coming from overseas, the further you are, the further out is your booking window. We had to hit the ground out there and let them know immediately when they're seeing images on the news uh of cranes through buildings in St. Pete, roofs ripped off
Tropicana Field that um 80% of the destination was open within weeks and that we were ready to welcome them back and we wanted to make sure that they knew that. So, we came up with the campaign of still shining and it really was embraced by the community uh and we
highlighted local businesses as they reopened in and talked about how they were still shining. We partnered with them on uh creating a uh discount package to offer folks who are thinking about coming here. And then one of the things that we had were these little buttons. And you you'll recall it was election season and they said, "We're
going to do these still shining buttons." I said, "You know, nobody does buttons anymore. U that's so 1980s." And they said, "Well, exactly. We're going to do it." Uh and just this week, I was at a a property having breakfast and the uh waitress was actually still wearing a
still shining button. So, um, it's good to see those. Those those really took off. And then those are examples of some of the billboards that we had throughout, specifically through, uh, greater Tampa Bay and the state of Florida, letting folks know that we're still shining. Recovery update, where are we at since those storms? So, you
can see on the top that shows hotel recovery, both supply and demand change since October uh, through our most recent data in March. And then on the bottom, you've got the vacation rental side. And why are we showing both? Well, because you think that uh hotels make up
the entire bed tax. Uh and on any given month, about 35 to 40% of that bed tax is collected through short-term rentals. Uh and so you can see on the on the hotel side of things to give you an example of impact on TDT, October, right
after the storms, we were down 30%. November, we were flat. December, we were up. Uh January, we were up. And we're now 6 months through the fiscal year and we're just off by 5% from last year's numbers. As you can see, the
hotels are doing well. Uh the vacation rental market, both on the supply and demand side, is lagging. Uh but it's continuing to improve each and every month and that demand continues to keep pace with the increase in supply. Here's a snapshot of the tourism
development tax. Um, and this is for the the month of March specifically. You'll see um year-over-year we're down 5%. Last March was the best single month we've had in Penllis County tourism history as far as bed tax collections. Um, so um it's good to see uh that we're
not falling behind too much given the circumstances and that's largely driven uh by uh Clear Water. Excuse you. Bless you. That's largely driven by Clearwater uh beach and the demand there, a high occupancy rate as well as St. Petersburg
with the increase of supply. How are we doing here in Treasure Island? So, this is Treasure Island uh TDT since October. So, you can see uh similar to other communities uh once you get uh towards the southern uh barrier
island communities, uh we're still in recovery mode. Uh the good news is is as you're well aware is we're continuing to improve, but I wanted to show you a snapshot of where you stand. So we came through still shining. We got done with that in January. We
turned the page with the calendar year. We came up with the new campaign. What was it going to be? What does it look like? Well, when we uh surveyed visitors and potential visitors, we know that three out of four people plan for beach vacation for their next vacation. We know that they love our beaches and our
weather, but they also saw we saw that they're doing so much more when they're here in market. So, how do we um take advantage of the wealth of resources and activities um and blessings that we have here in Penllis County for that visitor and put it into a
campaign. We did it with the amperand campaign. And this is an ad that uh just ran in um uh Midwest, Northeast, and Florida markets. Looking for more from your next vacation? Come to St. Pete Clearwater where you can rise and shine.
Enjoy a few chips and dip. Discover arts and crafts and wrap up with dinner and a show. In St. Pete Clearwater, find just what you're looking for and then
some. Book now at visit sbc.com. So that's what it looks like on TV. This is what it looks like on a billboard uh in magazines. Um some of our various other modes of communication. Uh again, these are just examples. We've got about
30 of these uh Amper sand themes where we uh combine different um things from around the destination to highlight we're more than uh just the weather and the sand. What does that look like? So, uh last year we went back to New York City
where we had not been since the pandemic. Uh this is one Liberty Plaza and when we went in we we totally took it over. Uh we were scheduled to be in there between January and February. Uh it actually was stayed up through April.
Um so while we anticipated 10 million impressions, it was significantly more. Um but you know the amount of people that traveled through there on a daily basis um you couldn't avoid being introduced to the destination. This uh was in Philadelphia. This is on 8th and Market
I believe. Uh just an example of when we uh go into uh one of our key markets, those being two of the top four uh for inbound uh visitation, uh we want to go in there and work the top of the funnel and we want to make a statement from visitors with love. Uh as I bring it in
for a landing, this is something that uh we're very proud of and this is how we this is a a campaign that's uh focused here internally uh with the residents. We know we have a million residents almost in Penllis County and they are brand ambassadors for us and so we talk
about the value of tourism uh through uh various methods. We focus on some of the events that we like to do, the elite events um such as standing ovations, things that we look forward to each and every year but also drive tourism to the destination as well as some of the capital benefits that we receive from
there. So uh these are some of those elite events. Last year I think we funded 33 of these. Uh I encourage you as you get more and more events to to apply for those. Uh we just up the caps on what we will provide for marketing and sponsorship opportunities there.
This is an example of what we do. This is at uh John's Path Seafood Festival. That's the from Visitors with Love stage. Uh we partnered with Creative Penllis to find local entertainment to perform on this stage and uh at these events. And then these are some of the
capital projects that we funded with Bedax uh recently. [Music] Hey, hey, hey. So, with that, I'd like to apologize for Joan for going way over time. Thank you for having me this evening. Thank you for your partnership and uh love to
answer any questions that you may have. Thank you. Appreciate you being here. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. All right. I'm sorry. Uh well, we're going right now we're
doing public comment. So, uh, the first public comment that we have is for Desiree Garcia. Hi, good evening everybody. Um, my name is Desiree Garcia and I am one of the main drummers at the
Treasure Island Drum Circle. I've been going there for 27 years. Um, I facilitate drum circles and um, I part participate in circles all around the state, including Ncomomas and Sarasota, which are home to spontaneous drum
circles like ours. Um, I'm also a high school teacher. Um, police chief Barklay's report was compelling and deeply shocking. Although I have witnessed some of the incidents he spoken about uh dogs, marijuana use, fights, and
vending, I was unaware of everything he spoke on, there's absolutely no excuse for people to break the law and disrespect the police. Um what he described was just really awful. Um however, also to be considered should be the hundreds, if not thousands of
positive encounters people both local and out of state um have had at the circle. This is really truly a unique um fun experience that Treasure Island Beach offers. I'm sure the participants contribute to the local economy, too. I
know I've spent thousands of dollars over the years shopping at Publix, eating out, and uh paying for parking. Um I was we're hoping to collaborate with the police department and try to clean up our circle.
Um, before Chief Barkley begins the process of shutting down the circle, if he hasn't done so already, could we please try to work together to transform the culture of the circle to a more familyfriendly experience and shut down those afterparty uh whatever they are that's happening after the sunset. Um,
that has nothing to do with the uh the drum circle. Um, I want to assure you guys, um, that this truly is a spontaneous weekly event with no structure or leaders. If anyone leaves anything, it's the drummers. Uh, without the drummers, there's no circle. Um,
what we haven't done before um is we haven't come together as a group and organize and work with the police. Um there's been, you know, people and people try to talk to um violators and people out there and it it they're they
don't have anything to back them up. Um so Sunday we initiated a meeting um and brought together people who would be interested in working with us. Um everyone agreed it would be a good start if I came did some research and and reached out to the city council. Um
Natalie did a great job uh May 6 representing to you the soul of the circle, but Chief Barkley is correct when he says there has been no accountability. Um hopefully it's not too late for a group of us to try in a different way versus just one person at a time uh to control the behavior. I
know I've been guilty of just coming out with my drum and plopping down and enjoying the fun vibes and ignoring the bad behavior. Um, so we came up with sort of a preliminary uh plan to out to reach out to you guys with. Um, we could
try to police ourselves with help of course from the police department. We could create signs with the ordinances on it, walk around, stop the drumming, you know, and um, back up the ordinances with signs. Uh, we could go in groups of two or three and police the circle. um
talk to people and then if they don't comply, we could work with the police department and identifying those people and helping helping out. Um I'm willing to take responsibility to uh step up and take quote unquote ownership of the circle with the group
of us. Um and to you know report back to you guys and commit to you that um we will do whatever is necessary to work with you. [Music] Um, what I'm suggesting is a true transformation of the circle. It doesn't have to be like this. This behavior
doesn't occur and ncomus in Sarasota where they have these drum circles like that are very similar to this as well. Um, as a group um let's see here. Um, also regarding your decision to shut down the circle,
um, we would like to ask the police department to please, you know, maybe start backwards and get rid of the that crowd at night with the DJs and and those those people just walk up. When I'm leaving the circle, there's people
walking in uh into the beach. Um, we could, you know, I mean, we could walk out there. we know who's smoking pot. We can go and identify those people. We can talk to them and we can identify them for the police. We can talk to the vendors. We can tell the
people with dogs, "You're not welcome at our circle. You've got to leave." Um I know that's a troublesome issue to deal with. Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you. I have no other cards. Is there
anybody else? Mr. Baso. Hey, Robin Boso, District 1. Big guy a month. You miss me? Did anything go on? Did I miss something? Chuck? No. Okay. Um, first of all, uh, I guess I missed the whole drum circle thing, but I kind of agree with the lady that maybe tried self policing. It is a
cultural event. Um, the marketing presentation I thought was really good and I think it makes me want to move to St. Pete. So, I think I'm going to sell my house right now and move. Um, I think Joan has one of the most important jobs here is to be the
director of economic development. Most one of the most important jobs and I and it's interesting on the agenda she wrote. She's part of administration. I think she should put a title down. It's it's an important title. It's something that we really need to focus on. Uh, the last
mayor, Tyler, ran, I think, on a great platform. Um, one of the things he said he wanted to develop uh the land on the south side of John's Pass and he made a really interesting comment. He said people come here and stay in our fine hotels, authors being one of them, and
then they party someplace else. They spend money someplace else. They don't spend here. So he he ran on a platform to develop this island for a place to go from the hotel to a nice restaurant, a nice bar, a nice music establishment.
hasn't hasn't happened. Which is why I think Joy Jones job is so important. Um the marketing uh director here talked about John's Pass. You Google what to do in Penelis County and John's Pass comes up. Well, guess who owns land on John's
Pass? We do. It's a baron. We need to really work on this. I've asked Joan now twice to perhaps uh once a month every other meeting um provide a presentation both to you and to us on what is going on
with John's Pass 108th both sides of 107th and the Yach Club just give us an update. I think there's so many great opportunities and maybe we can use his expertise to come and bring high-end
stuff high. It's nice to see the numbers are going up. By the way, I guess hotel rooms are still like 24% down. Arthur needs to work on that. Perhaps get us more rooms. But we want this to be the place. I don't even know where Clear Water is. I don't go north of Deneden. I
want to stay here. But what do we do here? What where do we go? We go to a nice hotel. We got a couple of nice restaurants. I want to stay here. I want to live here. Joan was hired. Let her do her job. But she also needs to communicate
to us once a month and what she's doing. All this land needs and it has to be a public private partnership. We need to work together. Maybe uh greenlight surveillances, maybe provide some tax incentives. Um talk to some of these high-end vendors, bring bone fish in
places like that. I don't know. But I want to live here. I don't want to go to Clear Water. I want to stay here. So let's make that happen. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else? Barb,
I hadn't planned to speak tonight, but I was listening to your talk about the the drum circle, and I hope there's a way that the community and the police and the city can all work together to keep the drum circle. I I know that when I
have family and friends come and people in the community, every anytime I go there, I always see a ton of people I know and I mean even like my little granddaughters, you know, they come and they're dancing and I mean it's something unique and funky and quirky
and that's part of what our community is. We're, you know, we're funky, we're quirky, and let's try and keep those pieces of us that make us who we are and just find a way to make it work. Thanks, Barb. We had one
more. Please give your name and your address, please. My name is uh Coley Thomasson. My address is 846576th Avenue North. I would like to echo what Desiree said and what a few people have said about drum
circle. I think it's important for the community. There are you you you seen some bad behavior, but if anybody was to sit in that circle, they would see people coming up from all over and leaving with
good vibes, with a good better feeling, with things that are intangible. I've been going there for years and years and years. I'm I'm a Florida boy. was born at Bayfront and I
love this beach. To have that circle go away would be a travesty. If there's anything I can do to help, I will give you my phone number. You have my
address. All you have to do is ask and I guarantee you I'm accountable. So, thank you. Thank you. All right, seeing no one else, I'm going to close public comment and we're
going to move on to commissioner reports. Commissioner Vasquez, thank you guys for speaking on the drum circle. I wasn't even going to bring it up, but that was pretty awesome. And boy, do I understand it. And Natalie,
who you spoke of, is near and dear to me. So, um I would agree and it's awesome and I I hope we can figure something out. The one thing we have to remember is that one of our police officer was permanently permanently
injured. And you know, unfortunately, you know, things didn't happen to bring it under control at that time and it really should have been. But I I really do hope now that people are standing up to, you know, be accountable. Hopefully something can work out because we cannot let what
happened back then happen again. And you know, it's not so much the smoking pot and dogs on the beach. It's, you know, the aggression, the people getting hurt, the assault, things like that's that's the bad stuff. You know, dogs, yes. But, you know, it's awesome to see you guys
here and want to stand up and take accountability. So, thank you for being here. So, um, on to what I wanted to talk about. Um, and give me a little grace tonight if you would, mayor. Um, not this last Saturday, but Saturday before I had the opportunity to do fire
ops, um, with our fire department and several other fire departments, and wow, was that amazing. Um, I had to put on the uniform, which good lord, it's so heavy. I don't know how these guys and and ladies do it. It is
crazy. going into smoky buildings, which it was fake smoke, so I didn't even have the soot and smell. Um, but you can't see in front of your hand. And I would say what a valuable thing for really anybody that has the opportunity to do it. I would say do it because it will
give you an entirely different um aspect to what these women and men do every single day. I mean, I was only there for what, six hours, I believe. I was dead and I'm I'm a pretty fit, healthy person
and I was exhausted. And um it's it's pretty amazing what they do. And I'm going to kind of use that to to lead into something else and that's going to um our public safety building. Um I just want to touch on that. Um, again,
anybody who's heard me talk knows that I'm a huge advocate of our first responders and especially after going out there and experience experiencing that, it was a little frustrating um the amount of hoops that our police and fire
are having to jump through um just to get a building. Their building was destroyed. um they were promised a building 10 years ago and yeah now it costs twice as much because we've waited 10 years and if we wait four more years it's going to cost more and if we wait
10 more years which we can't because they need a building they're not asking for a Taj Mahal and I would just ask that people really consider what they do on a daily basis you know talk to them you know it's it's something you know this illusion was put out that it was
going to be paid for in full from the beginning before the hurricane. It was never going to be paid for. No government building is ever paid for in full. That's not the way it works. It's not the way it ever works. Um, you know, you get grants, you you know, hopefully pay it off in a sooner um, you know,
rate with grants and and different things and we're still alive in the in the Senate and House. So, we're still trying, but I just want, you know, I would love for people that really just kind of fired me up even more so seeing
what these women and men do every day and all they want is a place. It's a thousand square foot bigger than the 70-year-old building that they've been in and it's fortified and they can get back out on the island to help us even sooner. God forbid another storm come.
So, I would just ask that everybody really consider that. Um, one thing that I really, and I'll make it quick, um, one thing that I wanted to really touch on that I hate that I even have to touch on, um, especially with our visit St. Pete, Clearwater, um, folks here, but it
has to be addressed and it's what's happening on social media. Um, I'm not talking about a community organization. And I'm talking about a few people that are putting out absolute complete false information um slanderous um information
that's going on on social media that is affecting everything from our city city manager interviews to things that we're not even talking about as a commission yet. And you know half-truths um it's just it's getting out of hand.
And the reason I'm addressing it is for the citizens of Treasure Island, not just, you know, maybe the the handful of people that are putting it out because these citizens of Treasure Island look at these resident pages as a source for
information and they, you know, I don't expect people to to know exactly what's going on at the Senate level or in and you know, Tallahassee and that's why you elected us to be your to to be the your voices and that's what we're trying to
do. But when it's met with slanderous um comments about individuals and halftruths um it it does no good for our city and it's not good for the citizens of our city and I'm going to address a couple directly. Um one is the tall buildings
post that has been out. So to be clear, as far as I know, there is no one that sits on this commission that is an advocate of tall buildings. And to be clear, tall buildings is a 12 to 15 and above story building. That is the
definition of a tall building. I don't think there's one of us that are looking for tall buildings. Do we have to look at our current code? Yes. And when we get there, we have to because what some of you don't know and what has not been put on social media is Senate Bill 1730 that
passed and will go into full effect July 1st, which is the revision of the Live Local Act. If we don't start working with our land owners and coming up with a beautiful plan for our beautiful Treasure
Island, then guess what? What this bill allows them to do is supersede all local government. We won't even see their plans and they can build whatever they want. It can be mixed use. It can be apartments and storage sheds. It can be
big concrete buildings 12 stories tall. It can be so many things and we have no say over it. So, if we don't stop treating our property owners like the enemy, calling them greedy and everything else because they want a return on their investment
that they've made and they've held on to hoping that the city would start working with them. They're going to take advantage of this live local act and we're going to end up with a concrete jungle with true tall buildings. That's what's going to happen. I'm not upset
about the people that have been writing multiple emails begging us not to build tall buildings or to change that because they're reading false information on social media and halftruths and it's got to stop. So I would encourage you to look at that Senate Bill 1730 and
understand as we move forward, we're not trying to make a concrete jungle, but we have to work with our property owners or we're going we're going to end up with that. And so I definitely wanted to bring that up. And one thing and one of
the biggest things is feelings are what's being put out there, not facts. Whether it's toward people that are applying for city manager, whether it's the tall buildings, whether it's individual um
commissioners, it's feelings. And I understand everybody's entitled to feelings, but it's being stated as facts and it's not. So, I would highly encourage those who are putting it out there to stop with the clickbait. It's
irresponsible and it's bad for our city. And I am a strong, anybody who knows me knows I'm a strong advocate for freedom of speech. But when freedom of ste speech is halftruths and slander and causes harm to our city and our citizens
and really prevents people from wanting to come to our city to work or to live, that's not good for anybody. So, if you're the ones reading it, please take it with a grain of salt and do your own homework. Please, I beg you. Um, talk to us, your commissioners. We can talk with
you about it. And just it's got to stop, guys. I mean, it's not good for our city. We're here working hard trying to make our city a better a better place and know that we're going to do our homework. Um, I don't believe any of us has interviewed any city managers. It
was put out there about a short list and everything else. There is no short list. There's just a list and I'm just again I I hate that I had to address it especially with our our visitors here, but it needed to be addressed. And I love our city. I grew up here like many,
many of you. I want what's best for our city. Treasure Island's never going to look the same. What age hasn't done, the storm has. We can still have a beautiful city to live in. But we have to work with our
land owners. We have to. Commissioner Clark. Um, yes. I don't have a PowerPoint today. Hey, I had one for the uh for the workshop, but it got cancelled. So, I will uh have to do that at a different time. But, um I I want to
agree with two things that um Tammy just said around I have seen a lot of things around this I guess tall buildings and um it seems that there's there's no uh there's no in between. It's either it's
the way it is now or it is 22 stories. It jumps from where it is now to 22 stories. And kind of like she said, I've never heard one commissioner, one I've never even heard one resident ever say that they want 22tory buildings. So I don't I don't
really know where any of that comes from. Seems rather ridiculous to me. Um and the other thing I'll say, she's right. You know, people I've heard in the past were all worked up about, you know, a sevenstory building or something going up in John's Pass. you know,
considering there's already a sevenstory, I think, condo right there. But, but if we don't work with these developers, they can build a 20s story building if they want. You know, if we actually work with them, we could probably get them to build a beautiful seven, eight story building that they
could make a return on investment on. But, but like she said, if we don't, they can just build whatever they want. So, whenever we get around to talking to that, I actually have a science project I'm going to bring in that displays kind of the different heights and everything. sort of like Ginger's uh sponge and seaw
wall thing where hopefully I can put a uh really a kind of a face to what we're really arguing over here, which doesn't seem like a lot to me. But now I'll get into what I was going to say. I just want to thank everyone for the trash. I know we put out we we put the cans all the way along here. My district 2 folks
that walk the beach every day, they're always reporting to me like almost on a daily basis. So they said it's like much much much better. The only thing that they did say to me was the cans right there, I guess I'll call it the St. Pete beach lot, the one that they own, are
totally overflowing. So, it's like St. Pete manage those cans or do we St. Petersburg? Okay. So, it's So, their cans now are all overflowing and ours are good. So, I guess there's nothing we can do about that. Can we let them know that they need to maybe put more cans?
We can reach out to them. Okay, that'd be great. Um, the second thing I want to say thanks about is I personally received my refund for my permitting fees. So, I assume that um, other folks are probably receiving there. So, it was a nice little uh, check to get in the
mail. Um, the other thing I've gotten a lot of emails on from multiple residents are various, you know, vacant houses around the neighborhood that literally have never had anything done to them. I mean, since the flood, the furniture's
still in there. No one's ever been in it. And I I think it's, you know, getting close to becoming like a health hazard. So, I don't know, you know, what we can do or what we have done or or or
you know, where we're going with that. Yeah. Um, code enforcement has stepped up their patrols. They had backed off a little bit to be able to handle the influx of permitting. They are back out on the road. um seeing each neighborhood at least for an hour per week. Okay. We're looking
for unpermitted construction um abandoned derelict, nuisance properties, that type of stuff. Okay. Okay. I did see an email that we were doing that. So that that will apply to this then also looking for places that are maybe a health hazard.
Um, the next thing I had was around I've had about three or four phone calls from residents and and one email. Actually, I actually got a phone call from someone from District 3 and it's all around
properties that seem to just be um just just dismissing the train modification manual and just bringing in Phil. Um, I think I've been told of five or six properties that have done that.
And I think the one guy who called me was actually from district 3 and he said, "Listen, the guy next to me is doing this." He goes, "I'm not I'm not going through, you know, I'm not going to go through this whole rigomearo with the with the train modification manual. If this guy doesn't is allowed to do
this, I'm just going to do it." So, I feel like we're borderline about ready to lose control of, you know, Phil here. Um, I I personally wasn't a proponent of TMM and I think that I think that it's so cumbersome that these developers and
and and and builders and residents don't want to deal with it. And I I feel bad for the people that have tried to follow it cuz I've gotten report back from one of them that, you know, no one knows what's in it and then they have to go out to a consultant every time there's a question and they've gotten really
nowhere with it. So, the reason I bring this up is I when we pass this, I believe multiple people up here said we're passing this to get Phil, but now we need to now we're going to try to make it simpler. So, I my point
basically is I think you're going to we're going to lose control of this pretty soon where people are just going to start bringing it in and if we're not doing anything about it, all these new people are going to say, "Why can't I do it? They did it." So, I I just think we need to get started on making this thing simpler because I think that it's just
um I I think it's I think I think we're actually going backwards and just allowing fill in now with no no ramifications. So I, you know, I would like to see us, you know, get a scope of work and a cost
from Kimley Horn to come up with a simpler version of this thing so we can actually have people following something uh that we have some control over cuz and you know, and maybe maybe I'm getting bad information, but um I've heard it from like I said, five or six
different people. So, um I I don't know if we can look into doing that uh with Kim Leehorn because I think it's just way too cumbersome. Um, the last thing I had was um I had actually brought up the the
storm water um last time and our bills and I've gotten a bazillion people uh sending me their bills and um you know I started really delving into the budget and you know we have on wastewater which
I know um I believe it was Commissioner Dicki said that you know that was a very lucrative fund. But I mean these are enterprise funds and I mean we have we have 9 and a half million in carry forwards now 5.2 million that's a grant for the lift station but $4.3 million of excess
dollars sitting there. Um and storm water we have we're going to have in next year's budget about $3 million of excess cash sitting there and that includes all the maintenance items. So, I'm going to bring this up at then put this on the agenda for the next
meeting to possibly have a workshop to look into these because I've had just too many people reach out to me. I look at my own bills, too. They're outrageous. And um this is really just looking like another tax on the residents to me and that it's not
what we need to be doing. So, I'll be bringing this up going forward. Thank you. Commissioner is on. Yes. I had a lot of calls, emails, texts regarding Treasure Bay. So, I hear you loud and clear. Um,
we definitely have to wait until uh the contractor is done with uh Treasure Bay to uh find a plan uh for a plan forward. Um uh based on what uh Commissioner Vasquez said uh regarding the tall buildings post on social media, uh if
comments don't follow their narrative, they remove them. Uh, so it's really a one-sided conversation. Uh, I've had a couple people complain to me that, you know, they post something and their comments are removed shortly thereafter.
Um, and it's, uh, work, uh, live and invest for Treasure Islands. Um, that's very important part. Um, and I was wondering what the status is on the tennis, uh, fencing at Treasure Bay. Um what what's the status on replacing
the fencing? I believe we had to go out to RFP for that. Yeah, we have to go out for request for proposal. Okay. Over the threshold. Got threshold. Yeah, I'm getting a lot of calls for that as well. And that's really it. Thank you.
All right. Um, yes, there is social media and yes, there is a lot of inaccuracies out there and I can name a few of them and and I'll take a couple of seconds to do that. One says that uh we're going to have buildings on uh
107th that are 8 ft from the road. That is not correct. It is is is if you go it looks a lot different. Um so don't believe everything that you're reading on the media. don't believe everything you're
hearing from some of the folks up here. I mean, uh, one of the things is that I'm hearing is that, uh, well, I'm hearing that, you know, we can do whatever they want now if we don't do do something with this live local. That's not true. It has boundaries there as
well. We couldn't go 20 stories up. We also have to follow the county code. So, we need to know what we're saying ourselves. Another thing is there's a the Penllis press. I don't know where it came from, but it basically says new
commissioner takes a stance on city debt. Well, with that uh proposal or with the slideshow that he had um Commissioner Clark, he made it sound as though the city is bankrupt. The city is not bankrupt. Nowhere near bankrupt. We
have a total debt of 6.3 million. We have per near $40 million that we are going to be spending. What's our biggest problem with that $40 million? We can't get together and push something out and make sure that something beneficial for the
community is happening. We do have to build a new uh fire station or safety facility, which is fire and police. We do have to build a new public works building. We do have to do a lot of repairs. So, it isn't as though we have
a lot of extra money, but we certainly do not have a debt problem. So, um you know, I I think that what this was really for when it was comments, uh it were it was for quick hits and things that maybe needed to
have a little bit more time after the fact. But I don't think that it has, you know, for everybody to get up here doing exactly what I'm doing right now and and basically wasting your time, wasting my time. You know, it that isn't what it's all about. What it's all about is trying
to get to the agenda and get things moving forward. With that, uh, we'll move on to the city attorney. Do you have a report? Yes, I do. I have a brief one this evening. First of all, I want to say that this is my last commission meeting and public
meeting with the city of Treasure Island and I have three points that I want to go through. The first one is that the final legal update is in your inboxes and that I have also um CCD Mr. Sabatini on it and we'll be going through it on Thursday. So, um he'll be up to speed on
all of the litigation before my last day. Um I don't have it for this meeting. I'd hoped, but if only Wishing made it so. I will provide each one of you in your inboxes as well as the acting city manager and Mr. Sabatini a brief overview of where we are on certain
projects. So, at least it's a base memo of kind of where I'm leaving off and where he's picking up. And then last but not least, I just wanted to take a quick moment to thank this commission and former commissioners um and commissions for providing me the opportunity to have
served this wonderful community. Throughout my time here, I've met incredibly talented staff members, dedicated board members, and truly amazing and generous residents. And for that, I will always be grateful. So, thank you, Mayor and Commissioners.
Thank you, Chief City Manager. Yes. Which is it? Either title. Uh so, uh city manager report. Yes, please. Okay. Um, first, uh, I just wanted to mention later on in the
agenda, I'm presenting the city's afteraction report for hurricanes, Debbie, well, basically Helen and Milton. Um, just to to let everyone know, that's an ongoing process. That's something we constantly do all year long. Um, we kind of wrap it up this time of year with the beginning of
hurricane hurricane season coming up. Um, so in in that respect, we're doing something different this year. We're taking a 360 look um at how we performed and where we can do better and how we can make improvements. So um we have a
quick six question survey that regards people's perceptions of um not just fire rescue and police and the first responders and public works, but the entire city's um prevention uh action during the
hurricane and then uh recovery efforts afterwards. So, we'd love for folks to go to our website or um they can find it on Facebook page as well and it's quick six questions and I'll give us some needed feedback so that we can do better. Um there's always room for
improvement, right? Um so, please please look at that. Also, related to hurricanes, we are having our annual Treasure Island Hurricane Expo on Wednesday the 28th from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. right here at city hall on the fifth floor.
attendees can expect uh at this family-friendly event a presentation from Mike Clay, chief meteorologist at Spectrum Bay News9. He's a regular presenter for us. Gives us great insight on the upcoming expectations for for hurricane season. Shares some of his
wisdom. Uh you can learn evacuation procedures, storm response plans, how to prepare your home or business, uh get flood insurance info, Red Cross resources, and the uh Pelos County's annual hurricane guide, which is always a a great culmination of resources for
residents and businesses. Our HR department uh wanted to announce and we want to let everyone know that um Jessica Oh, Jessica is still here. Yes. Um, she received the or was awarded
the prestigious 2025 Jerry Livingston Claims Excellence Award by PGIT, that's the preferred government insurance trust. Um, this is because of her extraordinary dedication to employee wellness, um, employee well-being, uh,
our mental health, our physical health. She weekly visits public works at 700 a.m. I accompanied her last week. That's an early morning start, but our public works folks can do it. So, some of us office dwellers should be able to get out there and and meet with them as
well. Um, just to uplift them and let them know that the city's looking out for them. During Helen Milton, she was one of the primary folks that was responsible during the recovery for getting the food trucks to come for housing, transportation, and just overall encouragement of staff. So, um,
she works with Carrie Hourback on beach cleanups. So congratulations um to our HR director Jessica. It sits on the desk. It's a beautiful glass award about this tall. So very nice. Uh public works. Uh please
join me also in celebrating public works department in national public works week. Uh just recognizes the stuff that they do all the time and we don't ever think about. You know what happens when you flush the toilet? Where does all that water go when it rains? Um, you know, a lot of infrastructure needs
maintenance. You look around and you see beautiful medians and landscaping, um, among other things. That's our public works. So, uh, thank a public works first responder when you get a moment this week, please. Uh, let's see. Fire department.
Um, our own Mercedes Nelson Palmer has headed up the third annual, uh, annual walk to the beach day on Friday, May 23rd. That's going to be between 1 and 3 p.m. along Gulf Boulevard. What is walk to the beach day, you ask? That is um
well, we are a little insecure here in Treasure Island because we don't have a school and most fire departments do walk to school day where we teach kids and parents and and teachers how to safely cross intersections and use crosswalks and and traffic to be aware of
pedestrians and bicycles. So, we teach folks when you're crossing Gulf Boulevard, do it at a crosswalk. hit the button for the lights, wait for traffic to stop, thank the drivers. Um it's we set up all along Gulf Boulevard. Uh this year we've got Madiraa Beach and St.
Pete Beach partnering with us. So um this thing has taken off and it's kind of gotten legs of its own. So we're very proud of our our life safety educator, Miss Palmer, Nelson Palmer, for putting that together. On the police side of things, they created uh 551 records in their
computer aated dispatch this week. uh their selected traffic enforcement program resulted in eight traffic citations and 48 written warnings. 57 parking citations were issued along with one dog on the beach violation. Um and I will take a a moment
if I could uh Mr. Mayor to to address some of the comments um made by Desiree and the other folks. Uh I I don't believe staff was ever instructed to shut down the drum circle and that's certainly not our intent. Um, we love that they want to self-regulate and I
honestly had a note in here to to mention it, so I'm glad it was brought up. Um, it it reports from last week were that did seem quieter. You know, we love the drum circle. We're fine with it. We think it's a great I've seen emails and in this role as acting city
manager. I've I've gotten phone calls on it. Um, we we respect it and you're right to gather and it it's a great thing. It just the ordinances need to be followed and kudos to you all for stepping up and absolutely um hopefully we can work together to to keep this
great tradition alive. Yep. Um parks and recck summer camp registration has begun. Um camp is going to run this year summer camp from six or from June 2nd through August 8th. uh
enrollment to date is 135 10-week full camp enroles and then 113 weekly camp enroles. Uh that's where they register for for various weeks for whatever reason. In community development, they wanted to emphasize that uh your
building permits will not expire during this ongoing state of emergency. So um no stress there. You know, we realize it's we understand it's hard to get a contractor. you're waiting on an insurance payment to come through. Um, we have empathy for that and just, you
know, as long as this commission is is approving this, we will continue to work with our folks to to make sure you can get your work done. Um, the the city's uh blanket permit fee waiverss will end though on May 31st this year. So, if at
all possible for your own benefit, if you can go ahead and get your permits in that way, you don't have to pay a fee on them. And then on the administration side, um we're we're taking the uh grant manager position that was suggested in in multiple committee meetings and here uh
by the commission. So that is in development. We're looking at different ways to provide that service and we hope to have report back um to you folks to so we can make a decision on that. We realize it's a um it's a pivotal part of the of the three-legged stool with uh
community development and um and our uh Joan our um economic development. So getting that in place and and what some of you mentioned in your comments we understand is a priority. So that's going to be uh for
front and foremost on our on our agenda to do. Um, I am pleased to announce that we have offered positions to a finance director and an assistant finance director. Both have been accepted. Our our new assistant finance director, David Green, starts tomorrow. So, again,
getting finance in uh getting a true picture and um having finance professionals, our finance director comes from um county of Palm Beach where he was assistant uh chief financial officer. So, um, David has a broad
background, but also in grants management and appropriations. So, I think, uh, having this information to base our decisions on going forward, uh, not that Mike Howard isn't an absolute rock star. Um, you know, but Mike is is
a contract employee with us and we'll have him on to get everyone up to speed and then, um, we'll have to do something really nice for Mike getting us through this tough period. uh public works. Um I don't know if Jess is ready for me to announce this yet,
but I'm going to. In public works, um we recognize leadership is paramount, right? So um we've we've made uh a proposal to our newly hired assistant director, Gary, and um we'd like to move him up to department director and head
that direct that department up and move forward on projects that you all have suggested. So, um, you'll be seeing a lot more of him at the podium. Um, and we do have likely candidates for the assistant director position in house. I'm proud to
announce. So, we'll be posting that as well. Um, I did also, and Jess is probably still squirming in her she her seat, but he can squirm some more. Um, I I did meet with um a great candidate for the directorship of community
development department. um talked with her today. Um Bobby Shay Lee is her name. She is a very um very well connected in the county and the state legislative legislatively. So I think uh that brings
a lot to the table. Um her leadership skills just blew me away. So we've offered her a position and um we're working through the prehire stuff, but we're looking at her starting next Wednesday. Yeah, we're we're moving right ahead. You know, you you asked me to sit in the
seat to to move ahead. We can't do it without skilled and um qualified department directors. So, um Mary Ellen will continue to provide excellent leadership in community development and the technical expertise that we need.
We anticipate bringing a budget amendment before the commission next meeting to um to allow an overhire for Katherine Yonan so she can finish up um and that's the former director. Um some of the projects that we have her working on like phase one of the um land
development regulations and a few other things. So um we are making progress. We do hear the frustration and uh hopefully this these leadership changes and this new direction will will prove fruitful for us. Um let's see. I sent the letter that
was requested to uh Barry Burton showing interest in the county considering taking over wastewater. So we'll um we'll get their request back for information. I know there is a request from commissioners to track the staff hours in that and we'll make sure that
happens as well. um hopefully have something to present back to you as soon as he gets back to us. And then finally um kudos to our PIO Jason Howard or Jason Howard, sorry, Jason Bisel. Um one of my guys in the fire department is
Jason Howard. Um but Jason uh set up the regional PIO, that's public information officers meeting which we hosted here on our beautiful fifth floor um event space. They had about 50 public information officers from the multicounty region. Um Ricky Tree Ricky
Tease was gracious enough. Brad donated lunch and they had their uh quarterly meeting there. So it brought a lot of notoriety and um those folks know how to get in touch with people social media, print and uh and local media. So
hopefully that'll bear some fruit as well. And that's all I have unless anyone has a question. It's end of report. And oh, I did want to thank Jen for her service to the city. On behalf of staff, we will we will certainly miss you and wish you well in your your
endeavors. Thank you. And a report. Thank you very much. All right, moving on. We're now going to do the approval of the minutes. Um, who actually reads the uh
approval of the minutes? Okay, I guess I'm going to do it since this is the first one of these. I've got approval of the following minutes. February 21st, 2023 and January 21st, 2025, regular and workshop meetings and
April 8th, 2025 special meeting. Second. Okay. Do we have a motion be for the second? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you did the motion. No, that's just reading the title. Oh, okay. Yeah. I move to approve
the minutes of February 21st, 2023 through January 21st, 2025 regular and workshop meetings and April 8th, 2025 special meeting. Okay. And second. We have a motion and a second. Is there any
discussion? Any changes? Hearing none. Um, let's have the role, please. Vice Mayor Vasquez I. Commissioner Sison. I Commissioner Clark I. Mayor Doctor I. Thank you. Okay. All
uh an uh unanimous and we will move on. Next we have uh the city manager recruitment update. Hi. Uh normally my name isn't said this much during a meeting.
Um, so just a really fast update. I was able to connect with Doug Thompson who did or Doug Thomas who did our original search through SGR. Perfectly willing to do it again. Um, I'm working later this week on um, redlinining the original brochure that we had. Um, so just kind
of updating it with, you know, your, um, desire for whatever the qualifications are going to be. I will send that out to each of you so you can kind of give me your feedback. That's really the first step of all of this is getting that brochure together. Um it shouldn't be a ton of changes. So, um I'll just update it to the best of my ability. If there's
anything that you want included, please let me know. If you want to update any photos or anything like that, we can do that as well. Um so, he also though had a question, so I'm glad that I have you here. Um he usually meets with commissioners individually prior to to get a sense of kind of what everyone is
expecting and what you're looking for in a candidate. He has an option. He can either be here one day uh coming up in the next, you know, couple of weeks or he can meet uh you individually via Teams or Zoom. And I just need to know what you would like to do. I'm fine with
either. What's the cheapest route? Uh Zoom. Let's do Zoom. Okay. Good question. Commissioner Clark, any That's fine. All right. So, I'll go ahead and get that set up. Um I'll do it the same way that I did um with the, you know, the other interviews and that kind of
thing. Um, other than that, as soon as I get a timeline of things, I will let you know. But like I said, that brochure is going to be the first piece. So, when I get it sent out, the sooner you can get it back to me, the better. And do we have a projected time frame? Uh, usually the time frame was like 3 to four months, but like I said, I'm going to
see if I can get once we get the brochure out there and we actually start getting candidates, we'll have a better idea. Okay. Okay. So, how are we moving forward on the details of uh the present city manager that is on administrative leave?
So, how are we going to be moving forward with that? So with the selection of the interim city manager that is scheduled to be on the 27th and Jen correct me if I'm if I'm wrong then we are going to head then we'll move forward with a salary negotiation getting the contract ready and be
prepared to bring that back on the on June 3rd which is what we're ultimately hoping for. Um the most important thing then is also going to be when can this person start whoever you select. So, if they don't start, if they cannot start on June 4th, we'll have to make a decision uh at that time to either I
guess we're going to have to probably look at extending it until the person can start. Make sure the person has to start. So, how long was the administrative leave good for? To what date? Till June 3rd. To June 3rd. Okay. So, all right. Can
someone remind me is there a time limp to how long the chief can do this? The chief is serving in an acting position. um and he can continue to serve in that acting position during um Chuck's temporary absence or disability. But
once Chuck is no longer um with the city, then the chief would be assuming that office and he already holds an office. So that's why those two are connected. There isn't a um other than that, there's not a limitation on how
long he could serve as acting. So, if we kept paying Chuck, he could continue to do this. Correct. Because I don't remember, I'll be honest, I don't remember what we all decided last time as far as if the people we're going to interview all said that they want to
apply to be a permanent city manager, but I guess it would kind of be up to the chief. But I thought about it over the weekend, and I mean, he knows everybody here. He's fit into the job well. He's working on the job. If we're gonna get a new person in three months,
I mean, but he has he's also the I said it'd be up to him, but I mean, by the time this other person gets up to speed and we get them hired, I mean that they're going to be gone or we're going to be interviewing someone new. I just think that and it doesn't really cost any different probably because we're
either paying a new interim or we're paying Chuck to stay home, I guess. But he doesn't though. Oh, you don't want to do it. Okay. So, I didn't hear that part. I No, no. I I appreciate your your kind words and your consideration. I'm I'm happy to help out as long as needed, but the shorter the better for me.
Gotcha. Okay, then that answers my question. Otherwise, we keep forever. I do have some comments if I may. So, um I've interviewed already three of the four candidates all today. Um and at this time, I'm not in favor of hiring an interimm city manager. We've already
gone through one transition to chief bars and we don't need another transition to an interimm manager. Two of the interimm candidates specifically said to me that the role of the interimm is not to make uh decisions but to just
keep the lights on and keep the ship moving in the right direction. That is not what we need. Chief Bars is already up to speed. Uh, we should keep Chief Bars and keep keep uh Chuck on paid administrative leave until we hire a new permanent uh manager through uh SGR or
SG, right? We uh should also pressure SG for updates in a timely order. This process for the hiring of a new city manager should be expedited. We don't need four city managers in four months. Chuck, Chief Bar's intern, and permit.
an intern would be disruptive, costly and terrible situation, especially with hurricane season approaching. That's it. I think you just put Chief Bar. Not in a bad spot, but he's already said
the sooner the better for him. True. But what's best for the city? Can I be recognized, John? Well, that that's a personal thing between Chief Bars and the city. Can I be recognized? Um, just to be clear and and I'll refer to you, Jen. Yeah, we don't technically per
charter have an interim position. Correct. This is a position with a shorter contract. Am I correct? So, it's not technically an interim position. So that's why I think one of the important questions to ask is, you know, if this
person works out and we want to extend their contract, we have the ability because I agree the less turnover the better. I mean, no question about it. But Chief Bars when, you know, he graciously, you know, stepped into this role made it very clear that, you know,
the shorter time the better. Um, and I don't think it's fair to him to to put him in that position when he's the fire chief. And I think we have to respect that. But we have to remember that technically speaking, it's not an interim because that's per charter. We don't have that position. It's just a
shorter contract that and then if they do a good job, we extend it and, you know, we go from there. And if you know, if not, then we wait till this other's done. But it's not unusual in any city to have a short-term city manager um
take a position. Um that's a little scary that two of them said that. I will say that. I haven't done any interviews yet. So um I don't think any of us has. Um so you you've got one up on us on that. But yeah, I mean someone who said they're just a placeholder who is not doing anything. Chief Bars, who's never
been a city manager, has proved that that is not the case because he has moved heaven and earth in the last three weeks. So, yeah, I I I wasn't aware that he did not want to do it, which is his own prerogative or I wouldn't have brought it up, but I I did I didn't I I missed that part somewhere along the
line. And that was my intent moving with these department director positions was to make sure we had uh capable department directors and leadership at that level. So um whoever whomever you choose to make city manager even even for a short term um would be aptly
guided by the department directors and we could continue making progress and moving forward. All right. So I guess that leaves us with just continuing with our interviews this week. Correct. Okay. So, just so you're aware, um, there severance
agreement and release has been sent to Chuck. Um, and it's based on the terms that were provided and then amended at the last meeting, so through the 3. Um, and so if there are going to be any changes to that, um, based on the 27th,
just be sure to let Mr. Sabatini know so he can um, make that correction and work with Chuck on that. Um, so you're going to continue with the interim, go ahead and have the meeting on the 27th to talk about um once all of you have had a chance to interview the four or five
candidates. Uh the only thing that if I could offer one suggestion is when you go back to the um the group that did the original search that in the in the brief brochure, you specify
certain qualifications that are live or die by you. And I say that only in the sense of and if they don't meet that, there's no reason that it needs to be presented to you. What happened in one of the last city manager searches is while there were criteria in there, it
wasn't necessarily as hard and fast. So, the last commission got presented with many candidates that I don't think they would have ever considered. They ended up clearing those off, but it was a lot for them to go through. So, that's that was my only kind of tip. Thank you.
Sure. All right. Okay. I think that's uh our update and we'll move forward from there. All right. Our second uh item, approve resolution 202507 for appointment and contract of city
attorney. Yes. So presented to for your um consideration this evening is the resolution this resolution um 257 and I'm just flipping to it right now.
provides for um the appointment of Sabatini law firm PA as city attorney. So generally you appoint the firm and then they designate who is going to serve in that capacity and we've heard from Mr. Sabatini that he will be serving in that capacity. His contracts would start
effective immediately and that would allow him um to have a few days of of crossover between he and I. but he will actually take the position and be appointed as city attorney on May 27th at 12:01 a.m. um in time for the meeting
on May 27th. So, um he'll be hitting the ground running um and I think he's looking forward to that. So, before you is the resolution and then also the contract. The contract specifies um the services that were outlined in the RFP.
There was one change and it was actually um with regard to an insurance issue and that was based on something that actually our insurance broker asked for and Mr. Sabatini agreed to. So you will see one strike through in it that he
signed and that the mayor will sign if this is approved. Um if you have any specific questions on the contract or on the resolution, I'm happy to answer. I don't I don't. Okay. Any public comment? Hearing none, we'll close
public comment. Can we have a motion, please? I move to approve resolution 2025-07 appointing Sabatini Law Firm PA as the city attorney effective May 27th, 2025 and approving the contract with
Sabatini Law Firm PA. I second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Hearing none, please call the roll. Vice Mayor Vasquez, I. Commissioner Clark, I. Commissioner Sison, I. Mayor Doctor, I. Thank you.
Once again, unanimous. 40. Well, congratulations. Thank you very much. Thank you. Now, did you say there were two pieces? They were all taken care of. All taken care of into one motion. Great. Thank you very much. All right, moving on. Temporary fire and
police facilities contract. All right, I'll be presenting this one. Uh, Mr. Mayor, um, our temporary facilities that which you see behind you there, um, were delivered immediately post storm. Well, they were delivered post Helen and picked up and taken away and then
brought back immediately post Milton. Um, they've been great housing for our police and fire department, although police does not even have a restroom in theirs. Um, but they're managing. So, um the the cost is the issue that that we
believe drives this. And these while great temporary facilities, um they're not long-term temporary. They're they're easy to bring in and set up quickly and they met our needs. Um we are at a position now to where as we move forward
in um designing and beginning to build the permanent public safety facility. Um however that may look um we do need to move out of these and into a simpler u more construction trailer type facility.
We've found a a supplier uh Will Wilcott Company and um in your agenda packet are are multiple iterations of contracts depending on how we want to go. Um but the current facilities combined or abouts uh and
and they're expensive. They're 77,500 a month um for both facilities. Uh FEMA was at a 100% cost share for about four months. And now we're currently in a situation of um the city picking up about 12 a.5% of that amount. FEMA does
75% and then Florida Division of Emergency Management picks up 12 a.5 which is half of our 25% cost share. Um and that will continue on with the new facilities that we propose. Um total cost on those however depending on which contract iteration you choose is about
16,000 a month. And we would be responsible for in the immediate future um for about 12 and a half% of that uh buildout and setup of these temporary facilities will take about 6 to 8 weeks from the day we execute the contract. Um
and they'll be needed for approximately 18 months or until a permanent public safety facility is completed. Um these would be a general fund expenditure back to the financing. Um, and currently currently we are in the 75% federal cost
share period. Um, not sure how long that's going to continue. We do have um a claim into our insurance carrier for temporary housing since our building was damaged and potentially destroyed depending on the uh the findings of their investigation. Um, so that's still
in review. Um, and we'll know more on that hopefully soon. Um but either way, we'd like to petition the commission to permit us to move forward with this lease. Um a lease for both fire department and police department for 18
months uh comes to a grand total of 289,710. And then there is a setup and removable removal charge. Um and it's [Music] $1,002,46 for both. Um, as approved
before, these would be located over in the parking lot of the former public safety facility on 108th. So, um, it it's staff's recommendation that we go with 18-month contracts just to give us the flexibility. Um, we did work in there
the ability to um for either party to cancel the contract with 90 days notice, but we would be on the hook for the full lease amount. So, okay. Um, with that I'll pause and take any questions you might have.
So on that, does that include I'm assuming do these have to be moved in the event of an evacuation of oncoming storm or we asked them and and it's um it's basically their liability if they do not choose to move them. They own
they own the facility. If they want to they sit higher. They're on they're basically mobile homes on blocks. We'll take the wheels off. It's their responsibility, not ours. air trailer. I like that. Okay. Are they tied down? Yes. And Okay. I'm sorry. What's the cost to
extend because beyond 18 months? Um my understanding is it would just be the monthly charge. Month to month. Month to month. Yes. Okay. Is there any public comment? Hearing none. We'll close public comment. Do I have a motion? I
move to approve the city manager to enter into a contract with Willcott, Inc. for $391,856 to provide 18 months of temporary public safety facilities to the police and fire department. Do we have a second?
Second. No second. You can second it for discussion purposes if you're so inclined, mayor. Otherwise, the motion dies for a lack of a second. I will second it. So, uh what do we have uh against the uh
I mean, it's going to save us money. So, I'm confused as to why we don't This is when we can speak up. Um I was thinking if we go monthto month. I was thinking about going 18 months of temporary for fire facilities and 12 months for
police and then go monthto month to save a little money. I I still don't understand why we've never looked at putting the police in this building that's only 40% occupied. Um fourth floor is packed. It's not
empty. Have you toured it? Yeah. Yes, I have. It's packed. I' I've toured it. It's not an empty floor, so I'm not sure where we would put them. Okay. So, uh if I call for roll
um that it should be a done deal, right? You should do um public comment. I had done public comment. I'm sorry. And then you'll call for roll and that'll be that. Okay. So, I call for roll. Vice Mayor Vasquez. I. Mayor Doctor I.
Commissioner Clark, nay. Commissioner Sison, no. And then as Mayor, no. The motion fails. The motion fails. 22. I move to approve the city manager to enter into a contract with Walcott, Inc. for
337,938 to provide 18 months of temporary fire department facilities and 12 months of temporary uh police department facilities. I'll second. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Could someone repeat the motion again,
please? I move to approve the city manager to enter into a contract with Will Scott, Inc. for $337,938 to provide 18 months of temporary fire department facilities and 12 months of temporary police department
facilities. And we had a second by Commissioner Vasquez. I'm just trying to to figure out the the logic on it. There is. So, we know we need 18 months of temporary fire uh department uh facilities as we won't have a facility
built in 18 months. Uh if we uh do 12 months of the temporary police department facilities and then we figure out what our endgame is uh because we don't know where the police and fire department are to go. Uh we haven't really decided on a true location,
although it's been discussed putting it uh next door uh here at this uh parking lot. Uh both chiefs have mentioned that that would lose parking revenue. Uh and then other locations were discussed. So, if we did uh 12 months of temporary
police department facilities and then figure out what we're going to do, uh we could cancel uh the temporary police facilities and then keep uh fire facilities moving forward. That was my one and the same. So, how do you need
fire less than you I mean need police less time than fire? I think that's I mean just like Commissioner Clark said, what if it went into the fourth floor or um other things? I don't know. We're we're waiting for money. We might we're
looking to get money from the state and so on. I mean, yeah, it's been my understanding that we're waiting to find out if we get the money or not. And if we don't, I don't know where that puts us. But even if we do, even if they rebuilt what they have, they have to have a home. And they don't have a home. They have leaky trailers that are
costing us more than this contract. And that's why we extend monthto month if we need to. That was my logic on that. I mean, if we don't get the money, I don't understand why we would not put them in this building. And I know there's there's um people that, you
know, say there isn't room and people that say there is. I I don't see why there's not room. And I don't see how that's not supporting the police if they are in this nice building. I just don't I don't get it. I've received a couple calls on this. So, um I know I need to do what's best
for the city and I think this is what's best. So, that's my personal and this building isn't hurricane proof just for the record. It's not fortified. So, putting a police facility once again in a nonfortified
hurricane building is senseless because you're not going to save and I'm I know we're not here to debate this, but you're not going to save half the money by putting the police elsewhere. It's not going to cost half the cost. So, I just to put the police station, it's to
me it's like making them not as important. They're all first responders that need to be in a fortified building that's hurricane proof. It's really not about the amount of time. It's about where they're going to be located. And we know they're not going to have
rebuilt or is 18 months. Neither one of them. So, it's going to end up costing the taxpayers more by not doing the full. But we have to do one of them because they need a place to stay. Well, we can't leave them in the
situation that we're in today. Nope. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but do we call a roll call on this or Yep. Call roll. Question real quick. Real quick before we call roll. If this motion dies.
Yes. Can this be brought back up on the 27th once again when our fifth commissioner is here? Um, yes. You could bring this up. there's a reconsideration provision within your um rules with regard to this.
So I think that's a I'm sorry who seconded the commissioner Sison's motion. It was Commissioner Vasquez. It was the second you Commissioner Sison I. Vice Mayor Basquez. No. Commissioner Clark I. Mayor
Doctor No. We just make sure that Well, that would be you that would have to Yeah. with the special meeting. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's uh let's move on. But
Treasure Island Historical Society, City Hall Project. Good evening. As you might recall, city man, former city manager Amy Davis had coordinated with the Treasure Island Historical Society to provide wall wraps for city hall. There were five wall wraps, one in the
chamber, two on the second floor, and two on the fifth floor. They are ready to proceed with the fifth floor design. Um the one opposite the elevator. According to Barbara Driscoll, uh the president of the Treasure Island Historical Society, this design is more
whimsical because she feels that it's a more active public space with the activities and the rentals we have. And they try to incorporate a lot of elements of Treasure Island as well as the local neighborhoods by putting their names on the directional signs. So, just
commission consensus as to whether or not you want to proceed with the design. Any questions for her? You're going to think I'm really fussy. I love it. It's adorable. It absolutely drives me crazy that the street signs
aren't facing the right way. It did. Me, too. And then I tried to get over that. But I I did notice they're not going in the right direction whatsoever. Going that way. Yeah. I didn't pay attention. I did. and we can see if they change them, but I don't Well, they had
something else, too. And I had them change because they had put um I think John's pass and something else and I said that's not Treasure Island. So, I've already changed the signs once. So, I can ask them to try to put them in somehow that my OCD kicking in. I'm sorry. Mine too.
Yeah, that's I can get with them on that. It seems like a Other than that, I think it's adorable. I love it. All right. um to proceed with those changes. Is this uh one that we would call for public comment?
You can but you're going to give consensus direction but there's no harm in calling for public comment. Okay. Do we have any public comment? Okay. Seeing none, uh what we need is consensus on the uh the fifth floor wall
design as requested uh to by the commission and to make sure the directional signs are as best as they can be. All right. Do we have a consensus on moving direction? I see I'm by me. Head shaking. Yes. So, yes, we do. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Thank you. And I'm taking this other magazine. I keep collecting them because uh we have standing ovations in the catalog. So, okay. Okay, our next item of business, hurricanes Helen and Milton afteraction review. And Chief, you're going to our city manager, you're going
to be taking this one, correct? All right. I was supposed to have a PowerPoint. Um Dominique, can you cue that up and I can get started while that's coming up. So in uh in 2024, as we all know, the city was impacted by three hurricanes,
Debbie, Helen, and Milton. Our emergency operations center was activated for all three storms as was uh and was the primary location for deployment of city staff and external resources for hurricane for uh external resources that
we had come in post hurricane. Postevent staff began an ongoing afteraction review to determine what was effective during our preparation, response and recovery operations and what areas we could improve uh going forward. This
afteraction report is a 360 degree look which we talked about earlier at our emergency management operations and considers all stakeholders input. And as we prepare prepare for the beginning of this year's hurricane season on June 1st, staff continues to
work towards implementing the identified changes in our planning and and improve our current capabilities to meet the needs of residents and business holders on Treasure Island. So, um I don't have the PowerPoint up
apparently. Um I have it here. I can kind of go through it a little bit. Let me just set it up to to run. Here they come. All right. So, while that's queuing up, I can actually um a little bit out of
order, but it'll make sense. Uh the PowerPoint point is mostly um talking about some of those other resources and in a brief like uh an education and um um organizational flowchart so that
everyone's on the same page. That was one of the things we realized that um although we've had staff taking the incident um incident management emergency management coursework um basic EOCC operations and that type
of thing for years when we actually go to implement it there's a gap between the instit um knowledge that you get in the classroom and real world world experience. Um, I can take some Oh,
thank you. What a team effort by staff. I love it. Um, I can take some responsibility for that. Um, just having come up through incident management and emergency management operations. Um, Chief Barkley and I are very familiar with it and we just have probably made a
few too many assumptions that um, the resource ordering process um, how things flow from the state to the from FEMA to the state to the county to the municipalities was understood. So, um, we're looking at correcting all that
and, uh, the PowerPoint here will will give us a a little bit of a a walk through and it's it's fairly short. It's only five slides. Um um but the way the emergency management uh network works is
um all all disasters we have a saying all disasters are local. So everything happens at um the local level when you hit you obviously the boots on the ground and all disasters are also unique. They have a saying if you've been through a hurricane you've been
through one hurricane. They're not all the same. That's Chief Barkley loves that one. So, excuse me. You learn on all of them. Um, if we look over to the uh to the right side of this slide, um the state emergency operations center, um
there's someone on duty at the watch desk there 24/7 365 and they manage things as uh from plane crashes to hospital evacuations due to air condition failures, flooding, hurricanes, any type of disaster. um
hazardous materials releases. Um they're there for uh locals to call upon to to get resources when we need them. Um a lot of what we do is just notification, but in this case, we activated the state emergency response plan. Um that was
done by the governor. Um the EMAC, which is the um emergency management assistant compact assistance compact, that is when we bring in resources from outside the state of Florida. We did that on uh on Helen. Um when we did our search, our
urban search and rescue, we had teams in from um we had a Miami team, but we also had Texas and Oklahoma here in our region, but we had teams from Vermont and all over the country. Um in here, swiftwater teams for the fastmoving
flood waters. So, um, in my career, honestly, that's that's the first time I've received aid from EMAC and state mutual aid resources. I've been out seven or eight times for wildfires, hurricanes, disasters. Um, it's a whole
different ballgame when you're receiving the aid. Um, a steep learning curve for sure. Um, so, uh, municipalities can also contract their own resources. We piggybacked on a contract um several three actually our public works
department did uh with the county for debris management and those are contracts that have been pre-negotiated uh so that we're able to get our FEMA reimbursement grant money at the end. You have to procure them correctly. We can't just run out and grab a guy with a dump truck and have
him come haul our debris. So all this is pre-planned. the sites where we put the debris, the soil has to be pre-ested on an annual basis. There is just a ton of requirements to this and this we knew and this we had done. Um nothing new for
us, but just to speak to the complexity of it at the state requirement level. Um they're the point of contact for FEMA. So um our governor actually requests um through the FEMA director the the president declare a disaster. So that's
how that works and then all those resources come through the state. Um, FROCK is a program the Florida um rees I forget. It's um it's the Florida Division of Emergency Management and it and it basically um is a program
that we've participated in now for two years and it allows us to pre-identify those contracts that we have and um they basically go through and look at it's uh about a 36 page document where they ask us a bunch of questions. how we mitigate, how we prepare, how we're
going to respond and recover. They look at all of our pre-positioned contracts, what resources we have, what staff we have, um what is our ability to augment staff for gray sky operations, and they give us a grade on that. Um currently, uh we're sitting somewhere
around the 50% which means that we will get 50% of our um potentially obligated FEMA reimbursement within a couple of weeks posttorm. Um Director Guthrie from Florida Division of Emergency Management put their this program into place two
years ago and um we've improved every year in our percentage. So, it's an ongoing progress or process with a lot of work from staff. Um, but it's something we continue to work towards towards improving. Um, the middle one is the middle bullet there is the county
EOC. That's our point of contact. They receive all the state resources. Um, for example, uh, on the fire side, the state will bring in 25 engine strike teams. That's um five five fire engines and a leader like a battalion chief. Um
they'll bring in 25 of those and they'll stage them at the Orlando Convention Center for a hurricane on the coast. County calls up and says, "Yeah, we we're going to need probably 10 engine strike teams and they will pre-position those at the fairgrounds in Tampa for us."
You want me you want me to go in a little bit of minutiaces? Go ahead. You want me to me go in a little bit of minutia when when we're give your uh give your voice a break for a second? Um this is how it looks and it looks all pretty and perfect and tied up in a bow and then you have all sorts of different like when Trip says and my favorite
expression is when you've been through a hurricane you've been through a hurricane. There are so many different variables here especially when you're requesting resources is what type of storm is it? You remember Helen paralleled the Florida coast and they had storm surge from Naples all the way up to the Big Bend. So you're talking
every waterfront community between Naples and the Big Bend was affected by storm surge and it got worse as you get further north as that storm was strengthening and made its jog into the state. The county EOC tries to take care of all of your needs and depending on
the type of storm like Helina was different because it was literally just the barrier islands in Penllis County and the east part of the uh the east part of the county. Milton completely different. I mean, we had areas flood in Milton that are in non- flood zones. So, it all depends on what type of storm
where it's going. Um, I cheated a little bit after Helen. I called um my contacts in Miami Dade County before the state release resources and that's why the guys from the city of Miami, Coral Gables, and Miami Beach are up here so
quickly. Miami Dade does things a little bit differently. They say, "We're going to deploy and then we'll figure out that paperwork later," which is much appreciative. And they took care of us until Milton came and then everything was more settled and then the Palm Beach County police chiefs took over and and did that. But I knew I knew it was
coming, so I pretty much called ahead basically. Um, and that that's what happens. It all depends the type of storm. Milton was different than Helen. Resources are scarce. there's only so much around and getting them to you.
It's great to request it, but sometimes it takes a while. I know we still have resource requests in there for CDD that has still not been filled up to this day and we are eight months past the storm. So, just keep that in mind as it's going on. Did it just affect us? Did it affect everybody? Remember Milton had an
interesting effect because it spawned more tornadoes in Florida in in history in one storm and which all of a sudden affected the east coast of Florida with all the tornado activity. So good point. And and those resources when
they do come to us locally, it's our responsibility to determine a strategy and deploy those resources. Excuse me. Um, so seems to have gotten out of order apologize. This wasn't the
PowerPoint that I had. Uh, I think maybe we can get to a different version, but we can work with them. So, um, so our afteraction review process here in in City of Treasure Island, um, we wanted to look at the response and
the preparedness, you know, what we did right and could do better and then the recovery as well. Um, we annually do a comprehensive emergency plan review. So, that's something that each department looks at. our continuity of government plan and um
look at our resource deficits, anything we know we're going to need. For example, community development, excuse me, apologize, I'm getting over a chest cold. Community development needed folks to do the permitting after the fact. And um that's one of the things we learned
that we're going to need to reach out and ask for earlier. Um, our EOCC location was threatened this year uh by flooding, predicted floods. So, we had to evacuate to an EOCC farther away, which it hampered operations a little
bit. Um, we've been able to renew that contract this year, so we have access to that building again. Um, there's also some construction going on at our primary EOC, so we may lose that facility towards the end of season, which is the most active. So, we have
made contingency plans for that. And then our our staff, especially with new staff, uh, leadership coming on at the director level. Um, we've taken a really hard look at our staff deployment model. And, um, we're trying to pre-identify
needs in every department and do resource request forms to, um, to kind of build out what the gray sky organization would look like, different from the blue sky. um what would normally, you know, be doing fence and pool and whatever else permitting we do.
Um we now know what's coming after after we get it again. So we can build out to that capacity ahead of time. Um ordering an incident management team up was one of the better things we did. Um we had folks from the other coast come over who
specialize in emergency management. Excuse me. Um we had logistics and planning sections stood up. We produced um incident and action plans that are um they were 15 and 20 pages long. They specified each day's workload um who was doing what, what the
um organizational structure was for the day, depending on who was on duty. Those are paying dividends today as we as Mike um files for reimbursement for the FEMA grants. That's the backup documentation that we need to get that money back. So,
um, definitely something we'll do again for sure. Um, as I mentioned before, we put the the resident and business survey out. Um, we're looking to get results from that side of the equation as well. You know, hear what we can do better from the folks we serve. Uh we're doing
a policy and planning review department by department and staff is looking at which which specialized FEMA courses for emergency management would fit into each department uh to help us get better prepared going forward. So again, I apologize that the
PowerPoints in a different version on this computer, I guess, so it's it's not as pretty as it should be, but all the info is there. Um we keep in mind that our comprehensive emergency plan um is is an all hazards plan. So regardless of
what happens um be it man-made natural disaster um uh active shooter type event, this will allow for continuity of government and and is kind of make sure staff has a prescripted
um basically a loose plan. We know the plan never survives first contact with the enemy. Um but it gives us you know a fall back to where um we implement the pieces that we can and then work on getting what we need to implement the rest of it. So that can include like you
see here prescripted mission requests. I've directed all the department directors to to make those um assessments in their departments and then fill out the ICS 213 resource request forms and we're just going to keep those in a stack and uh when we get
into the the cone of another storm or another disaster coming, we'll evaluate which ones we're going to need and those go right to the county EOC, we get in line first before all the other cities hopefully and um can get some of those state resources sent here to treasur
island. Um we would bring in incident management teams and our our Florida Division of Emergency Management, FEMA specialists earlier. Um that uh the specialists that that FM sent us um and continue to have on staff is making a
big difference. Um happy to report we're in phase two. Um I want to say there's 13 or 14 phases, but we're in phase two with all of our projects. So um we are moving along. It is just a process. Um, talked about the upstaffing
already a little bit. Public works is going to do things a little differently. Um, they're going to work two shifts with staffing augmentation. So, um, they can split their folks and better have fresh, rested personnel ready to go out on the
street um, at the beginning of each 12-h hour shift period again. And then we're going to re-evaluate the debris management piggyback contracts. Make sure we have those in place and ready to go. Just a couple of the planning documents. These this just is, you know,
uh generic uh photos, but um we didn't want to put these out for public review because they are our planning documents for um uh man-made intentional terrorism type events. So they're not exactly
public uh publicly available. I'm happy to share them with the commissioners individually if you like. But um the comprehensive emergency management plan is laid out again as a continuity of government operation. And then there's annexes for each department each department. So those function
specifically to their responsibilities um how we can best get back from from disaster back to blue sky operations. Um you'll see a um spreadsheet up there. We've actually um I don't know if you can see it the detail, but um we've
broken down 3 days pre-torrm to three three to four days posttorm. And then for departments like community development that have a longer role um by week after that. So we kind of know who's in what role or or what position is in what role and we can better
identify gaps there. So, um, we put out situation reports, we relay information from the county as well, make sure that all of our residents are getting the same message. Our PIO, um, is integral into that and as our our commissioners
to get out in your districts and make sure those social media posts are correct and tamp down any any rumors that are incorrect and just not in the public good. So, we make sure you have with a daily situation report. um that's coordinated by our
PIO um the latest and greatest most correct information so everyone is on the same page. All right. And this just a little bit of um some of the coursework that are we currently we we've been doing and we're working on getting as we we turn
over staff the different different courses. um the ICS 300 and ICS 400, those are three-day courses. That's intermediate and then advanced incident or advanced emergency operations um for expanding incidents.
Um you know, we just we require that of at least somebody on duty at the EOC at all times. um various levels of staggered training as you go down the org chart. But we want everyone to know that there is a process and a system for for getting resources, for deploying resources, um basically for the whole
response. It's spelled out in a national incident management plan and and we adhere to that as best we can with our our limited resources and size. So, um, and and John, feel free to jump in here if you want. Yeah, I was just
going to I want to emphasize, I mean, we took a hard look internally. You know, what went right, what went wrong. Um, a lot of the stuff that went wrong was public and, you know, we've taken steps to make sure that's not going to happen again. And what happens after events like this, all of a sudden, you become the experts. You don't want to be, but
all of a sudden you're an expert. I've already spoken on four different panels around the state of Florida to new police chiefs telling them, you know, what can happen um how how bad it can get, you know, talking about leadership and in planning and and and all the other things. And what you would be very
very proud of are the unsung heroes. There are a lot of unsung heroes. A lot of the employees during the storm, a lot of them who had damage to their own personal homes, including myself, that were at work every day. I never heard the phrase, "Not my job." Everybody was stepping up to do things, you know, in
the best interest of Treasure Island, getting things as close to running right as as possible. Mayor Doctor, I know you were involved in that. You were a commissioner then and just for the three commissioners that are new, you you would be proud of city staff and how they stepped up and worked. And I I've heard comments, you know, unfortunately,
oh well, they don't live here, so they don't care about us. And and that I that couldn't be further from the truth. Um I I was every day I'd walked into work and you know and I'm dealing with personal things and on a professional level and everything else and inspiring me seeing how everybody was putting
their nose to the grindstone and working as hard as possible and you know spending time on Sunset Beach, you know, those mountains and mountains and mountains of sand on the side of the road that looked like a blizzard just hit, you know, and seeing homes that were rocked off their foundations. It's
it's mentally exhausting for people to see that and to see the employees step up and I mean my police officers and the visiting police officers were delivering water to people. They're talking to people in their front yards because they just wanted to talk. But for as many things that went wrong, a lot more
things went right. And you know, we're we're going to I think we're going to be setting the standard from here on out for storms because we have two different storms 10 days apart and two entirely different types of storms, too.
Yep. And and I'll just run down a quick list of um and it's just so you all know, it's one it's it's eight pages front and back um of suggested items for improvement from staff.
So currently, you know, working on these things. Some of them are more uh labor intensive than others, but even little things that we notice that we can do better. So, not that we did anything poorly, excuse me, but um you know, and I'll go through just a list. I
highlighted just a few of them, the the more pertinent ones, so you can see just get an idea or feel for what we're your staff is doing to to be even better. So, um, we would definitely order the in incident management team ahead of time. Uh, we need to coordinate better with
PCSO, that's the sheriff's office and, uh, urban search and rescue assets. The sheriff controls those when they come in. Um, we actually had a meeting yesterday on water rescue assets and, um, police, sheriff, and fire all throughout the county are going to work together. Um, and those are the those
are for the folks that um decide not to evacuate and then call during the height of the storm. Um, while we never recommend that, we will do our best to come get you. Um, we may or may not, but we're we're coordinating those resources in a different way for the upcoming
season. Um, volunteer coordinator earlier for sure. Um, tertiary EOC agreement with St. Pete College, that's done. um state ordered resources first. This saves invoicing and reimbursement on the back end. So, if the state sends
something that they've already ordered, um we'll use that before we use our contract stuff just to try and save uh be fiscally responsible. Um damage assessment must be contracted by the city with an assessor and and set a date to have the data returned to the city. I
know that's a big one that's going to make sure we're a lot more responsive on the back end this coming next time. Um, incident action plans, we'll preset the objectives to the best of our ability. Um, specific requests when we have National Guard in their services were
great, but they're constrained by their orders. So, we have to we learned that was a big point for us. We have to make sure that those orders include um loading, unloading, security, directing civilians, bringing a forklift, traffic control. Otherwise, you know, we can't use that resource to the best of its uh
highest purpose. Yeah. Did did you know that they request police to for security for the National Guard? Yeah. I'm not kidding. True. Yep. Really? Yeah. So, yeah. Uh they have first push teams, which are great. Those are uh teams that push the debris off the road so we can
get back in. We're going to stage some of those at our EOC. Uh planning for alternative transportation vehicles ahead of time. That's something staff had to work really hard to do to get the residents in and out of Sunset Beach after the fact. Um we can pre pre-order
those golf carts side by sides and utility vehicles. Um make it a lot easier to do that. Um setting the public expectations on timelines ahead of and during the incident. um you know like when when are going to when are we going to be
starting that um damage assessment, when will we be opening for permits, what the overall process is. Uh we realize we could do a better job on communication with that. So something we'll definitely do compiling volunteer lists and coordination ahead of time. Uh damage
assessments. Uh we're thinking we'll we'll rent small pickup trucks in advance. That way we can store them at the EOC. um CDD personnel can get back here and start on those immediately. So in the finance department, we're going to do project codes to set up for proper track
tracking and submissions on the back end. Um review all deadlines with respect to possible grant dollars. Um continue to raise our F-Rock store and provide more robust policies and purchasing policies. um to to deal with
emergency purchases as needed during the event. Um well, one of the things we would we would like to come to commission for ahead of time is uh determining any permitting discounts upfront so we don't have to go through the refund process. If this is something we want to do um
you know to make a standard post storm, we can do that. That way we make the announcement ahead of time and uh nobody's paying the fee up front and trying to struggle to get reimbursed. um identify some short-term loan capital sources or re reserves um you know to
see how we're going to get through the fiscally constrained part of the event. Um emphasizing remote work for our employees who can do so. Um letting folks be productive at home so we don't have to feed them when there's no no place to get food on the island or we
don't have office space with air conditioning up and running yet. so we can still get productivity um while they're at home, providing the tools necessary to do the duties from home. Uh we'll do that by strengthening our cloud-based systems, accelerating the transition to a fully cloud-based system
for record security and accessibility. Um that is in pro progress as as we speak. Um streaming logistics, improving coordination for food and supplies distribution in support of the EOCC teams, first responders, and partners.
Um that was a herculean effort getting those food trucks in here. That was all arranged by city staff. Um we had to feed our workers. We had to make sure citizens had a place and residents who were returning to check on their damaged property um could get the basic
necessities that they need. Um I mean I could go on and on, but you kind of get the gist of it. I' I've got four more pages of these. I don't want to bore you. Um but those are some of the hard things that we looked at and and we're working through solutions and um vow we
were happy with our our our performance. We really were. Um it was uncharted territory for us. Some may say that um we didn't do the best we could in recovery, but we did the best we could. We we um were learning as we were flying the airplane. We were building it. We're
actually reading the instruction manual for how to build an airplane while we were flying it. So, um, we do realize there were gaps and there's room for improvement and we vow to as a staff to to make those improvements. And I'll pause here for questions.
That's impressive lessons learned with everything that's been going on and considering, you know, just what you guys are working with on your every day. That's very very impressive lessons learned and just in the ones that you mentioned I
would love to see that list but um just what you mentioned is definitely valid and I think you guys did an incredible job especially considering it hasn't happened here. I mean, we had to what you said. I was here the day after the
hurricane pulling stuff out of my house and I had Miami Dade officers on my street every 10 minutes. I believe they were out there along with our own. So, I I have to say I think you guys did an excellent job, especially being that you
were reading the manual as you were going, but I think it was great. But that's awesome that you put it together. Thank you for that. Yeah, I I have full faith in you two chiefs to I think you did a great job on this and I think you'll do even better,
god forbid this happens again. I know you miss me a couple things around it sounded like um with damage assessments and permitting type things. I guess I just want to make sure that we we've done a deep dive around the permitting process because I'll be honest, as bad
as this was, I think one of the most traumatic things for most of the residents was not being able to get back into their home, um all of the hubbhub around the permitting. So, I mean, are we comfortable that if this happens again, we can hit the ground running uh
on permitting and and get people back into their homes as soon as possible? I do. And um I I think we now know the right questions to ask. Um what we come to you with to to ask permission to do uh get those extra resources staffed up
front. Um I I feel like we were ready for the normal permitting, but this was far from normal. So um you know, they they permitting department is also their their first priority when they get back
on the island is damage assessment. That's um we do what's called a windshield survey or initial damage assessment. That's where um those little pickup trucks would come in. We basically drive around and determine the scope of the disaster so we can report back. And this is typically 4, 6, 8
hours um post landfall as long as it's light. Um we need to have a report back to the county so they can start funneling those state resources or shipping them somewhere else in the state where they're needed. Um that's the initial damage assessment or windshield survey. Um after that uh
we'll do a deeper look pretty much by by block to look at um impacted, damaged, destroyed type situation and try to get a count on the number of structures that are in each category. Report that back.
Um that will uh quantify the state's request for national disaster declaration to the president. um they they put a dollar value on that. So that's a priority. Um and then after that, the the preliminary damage assessment, which actually comes after
the initial, which is weird, but it's the way FEMA does it. Um the preliminary is FEMA's preliminary where they send folks down, our CDD staff goes out and shows them what we found on that damage assessment and they give it the thumbs
up or not quite what you said. um that's what triggers the the the money the federal resources starting to flow. So that's that's probably their first four days. Um after that we can start getting into permitting and we now know again the questions to ask for that and I
think what's really important is you know when assistant chief Brennan got in there and said let's look at our process and once he got in there and walked through the process and refined the process that's when we really hit the ground running and I think that's when we hit our stride. So that's going to be the base point now. You know, the tr
other stuff that we went through that two, three, four months before that, prior to that, you know, it was a hit and miss hit and misses isn't working. You know, what's the most efficient and effective my two favorite words? And finally, when Deputy Chief Brennan went in there and went through the process and started to hone it and say, "Okay, let's do this." And had the different
teams, we were much much more effective and able to put out a lot more permits. All right. If I can add just one thing, I also just wanted to make you aware of the fact that the legislature did pass um Senate Bill 180. It's a bill that deals specifically with emergencies and
the recovery. And just a couple items. I mean, I don't believe the governor has um signed. I'm not even sure if the bill's been sent to him yet, but certainly um he'll be receiving it if he hasn't already soon. And um if it goes if it is approved and goes on, it'll come into effect on July 1st. But some
of the items that it handled were debris haulers. So one of the issues that we had was that while we had contracts with debris haulers, then the state had contracts with debris haulers and there was this whole issue of whether they're coming here or they're going somewhere else where they get a higher bid, a higher price under an existing contract.
So that issue um is addressed in this bill. There's also training for all um municipal and county staff with regard to this which is addressed in the bill. there are special building permits and inspections that have to be um developed and that are also addressed in this
bill. And then there's additional personnel and how what your plan is for that and how uh and that's also addressed in this bill. So there are several of the items that you all have talked about and said is of concern that are in this bill that the staff will once assuming it passes on July 1st need
to look at and then incorporate into their emergency procedures. Thank and we're were aware of that and and spoke to it when we were up on on the cap as the fire chief's association. Um there's also some postings required on the
website communicate. It does a good job of making sure um everyone is is informed of what the plan and the process is. So u we hardily support that. We hope the governor signs it and we're pretty much in compliance already.
the other items like the upstaffing um we'll get there. It's it's turning a lot of the lessons learned into best practices and and you learn that through I mean the state of Florida has been through what has been through in the last 5 years and everybody's been contributing at Fort Myers Beach Santael
you know Perry and and us you know we're all we're a part of that now we're part of the change. All right. Uh, now this was an update. With an update, would we normally do a public comment? Again, you you certainly can. It's it's
up to you as to whether or not um you want an update. Okay. Or public comment on the update. Mr. Bazo. Hi, Robert Bazo with District 1 of Capri. I would like to preface my comments by saying uh in terms of the uh report out the city management report
that's what we want to hear the topic report that he gave out. Um as a lot of you know I have a background emergency management and I was director of an operations center and um I've I've said before that I I thought what was necessary was a lesson learned and and a
uh and an action review. I understand that we are small and we have limited manpower. I understand and it's professional discipline. that I understand we really we really couldn't do that. I did read the the um PowerPoint slide that was online. It was it was informative. Not surprising that
police and fire department are ahead of the pack. Um the trained in incident command um incident management. They have all the courses that they do very well. Um there are very many facets of uh disaster response and and disaster management and certainly response um we
we I think we did really well. I mean really well and and again we have two great chiefs here um did a fantastic job and I mentioned to uh Chief Bartley that um his his manner and procedures to get the uh to to get other police forces
here do the uh impact the compact should be the template we use. Um he was able to get a lot of forces here very quickly. Uh fire department did as well. Unbelievable. So I mean aces for that. But there's other part of disaster management, recovery and mitigation. I
think we did not so great. Um now recovery involves getting the community back to um uh pre- disaster um status. It includes uh electricity, includes sewer, uh wastewater things. And we did
we did a good good job. I mean we be we were open for business fairly quickly. But a big part of recovery is getting people back in their homes. And I don't think we did a really good job in that. So I I would like the two chiefs to really work with the other department heads and have
them do the incident command structure system and use the incident management system to build those manpower packages now that we can send out to this to the county and the state quickly. This is uh Commissioner Clark talked about
permitting. I think on day on day day one we should have immediately a package that goes out to get a comm to get it a uh emergency manager a certified emergency manager here and a full road map of of qualified
permit people engineers and builders. So then D plus let's say 10 or 12 were able to start doing permits. Option two, option one. We discussed that we we know option two is the way to go. Um the chief talked
about uh emphasizing structural damage. I don't think that's really the way to go. Um again, we talked about the normal permit process I think works. Um especially we when there isn't a lot of substantial damage. Most of our damage
was um water uh uh living water uh sheetrock and things of that electrical. We're never going to be substantially damaged at that point in time. So I see these two chiefs experience and knowledge helping the other departments build those personal packages now
augmentation that's going to be fully funded and fully reimburseable. We should do do that now. And I'm really proud of our police and fire department and I think they set the standard for emergency management. And I've worked a lot in the federal level and I think
these two guys really stand out and I think we did an okay job um in terms of getting the community back to things like electricity and power and water, but we didn't do a great job in getting people back to their homes and we still have don't have people back in
their homes. So I think we need to work on that. And I think these two individuals here can really set the standard for for the future. Thank you. Thank you. If I can just if I can just add to that in between, it's I think it's very
important for everybody to know that this is not the end of the storms. We're still in recovery mode. We're going to be in recovery mode probably for a few years. Um it's I don't think it's realistic for anybody to think what we just went through that you know in 6 months we're flipping a switch and we're good to go. I mean, you've seen Fort
Myers Beach, Sandell Island, stuff like they're still in recovery mode. And, you know, we're the same here. Everybody's fighting over contractors and building supplies and getting their stuff done. So, we're very well aware of the fact that this is this is an ongoing disaster that we're still in. And we're reminded every day when we we're in our temporary
facilities, too. Yeah. And I think that uh what's different than uh what happened down in Lee County is that FEMA did not stay as long in a community. They they left on April 8th and uh and that was tough
because everybody expected them to be there for at least 9 months to a year and all of a sudden, you know, the funds were cut off and and we were done. And you see, you know, even with Helen, the national spotlight was off of us two days later when the home started going
down the river in North Carolina, right? You know, and it's it's and and one of the unsung heroes here was Jason Bisel, our PIO, cuz he had I know I did interviews on National TV, National Weather Services, uh um Acue Weather Weather Channel to keep our face out
there and keep our our our message out there for our people. Sure. Sarah, you'll be next. Hi, Sarah Pennington. Is of Palms. Um, outside of the permitting issue, I just want to mention something that I feel like might seem small, but has not been
discussed. Um, I think it's awesome and I greatly appreciate that we have police up at the causeway checking IDs of people coming onto the island and I think that is very very important. Um, one thing that I experienced though
after the storm and and it was very upsetting is uh West and I, we actually walked to our house from the causeway because we were just so desperate to get to our home and they weren't allowing cars onto the island, which I understand because maybe there could be some
dangerous situations where they weren't sure if people could drive on with cars yet and I understand that. But um even the next day we did the same thing, which by the way um Arthur, you and your wife gave us a ride. We flagged him down at Triangle Park and got a ride the last
couple blocks to our house. Um so thank you for that. Um but what was upsetting to me was the second day of people having to walk onto the island. We had the bus from Treasure Island out and it was giving people rides off the island to the causeway, but they would not give
anyone a ride from the causeway onto the island. And I saw so many elderly people in tears uh trying to walk to their homes from the causeway because they were so desperate to get back on and our buses were driving empty onto the island and
then filling up with people to drive to the end of the causeway. And so I would like to make a suggestion that next time if we're going to be running buses, if people are walking, they should be picked up from the causeway and dropped off at maybe each neighborhood, not necessarily in front of their home, but
somewhere where it's safe to bring them on because it was pretty terrible to see all the elderly people having to make that walk. Thank you. Thank you. And I can address that briefly if you like. Um probably uh just okay we were
still under evacuation. We did not want to bring people onto the island with unknown electrical wires that hadn't we had no power. We had no ability to pump sewer. The idea was to keep people off the island. Um we couldn't stop them if they wanted to walk on. Um but we we just felt it wasn't safe to encourage
people coming back on the island at that point by giving them a ride. Thank you. Hello. Um, District Three, just to piggyback on what Miss Pennington said, um, I did walk over and walk to the
house and it was good that there was people there checking IDs, which was fabulous. The only problem I had was after a couple of days that was done. I mean, I was at at our house. We were working putting stuff out at the curb
and you had people who did not live on the island in and going through all of our stuff out in front. I mean, that is it's heartbreaking enough to see your stuff out there, but then to have people come that don't even live here, go
through your stuff. I get it that it's garbage. And that's what the one officer said. It's out at the curb. It's garbage, but coming from it's hard to do that. So, keep people out that don't
live here. Keep them out. Let us go and do what we need to do for our own houses, but keep people who don't live here out of the town for a while until they can start picking up the stuff and getting out cuz that was very heartbreaking to see all your stuff
sitting there and people going through all your stuff. That's one thing that I would like to have done just to keep people who don't live on the island. Everybody has their emergency pass who lives here. If they don't have an emergency pass or a license that states an street address
in Treasure Island, they shouldn't be allowed on. That's my point. Thank you. Thank you. I can I can absolutely address that and I I feel your pain. Same thing was going people are going through the stuff in my front yard in my own home. When it is out of the curb, it is garbage. But I understand what you're
talking about. Um access to Treasure Island is in three different points. We only control one point of entry. That was a countywide decision. And if we would not at that time have allowed cars and people on there, then everybody would have been screaming at us that they have a mitigation company ready to
go work on their house and we wouldn't let them. We don't we didn't use the passes at the at the island here. I don't believe in the passes personally. I know they have them countywide and I'll tell you why. On Santael Island, they were passes were abused. Santael Island had a record number of home
burglaries by people with passes that were allowed on Santael Island because people were giving them to their contractors. and some of the laborers and stuff working with the contractors decided to burglarize other homes on Senal Island. So, we checked and made sure people were business owners or residents of Treasure Island before we
let them on. But at a certain point, we coordinate with the sheriff's office, city of Clearwater, and and us to make sure that we are good to go with on the island. As soon as it's safe for vehicular traffic, we have to let people on there so people can start to get building supplies and secure their homes
and start working in mitigation in their homes. That's why that decision was made. It's never perfect and I don't I've never worked an evacuation where everything goes perfectly and that decision to let people back on is never popular. There's nothing worse than being a police officer where standing at
a checkpoint telling somebody they can't go to their home and that's why we allowed foot traffic on there and that was a decision we made. We can't we couldn't allow them to drive their cars on there because it was unsafe. We still had power lines down. We had homes all over the island in different states of
repair. And you remember when we opened it up, we still kept Sunset Beach shut down because of the amount of damage in Sunset Beach. So, we kind of gradually opened the city as we were able to. That's never never an easy decision. Thank you, Chief. And those passes are easily duplicated. I've seen a lot of
duplicated passes. Mary Ellen, did you want to I come all the time. myself to speak. Probably good. Um, I live in Serena Bay, which is right over here. We had people that chose not to
leave. They also chose when the eye of the storm came to take the elevators downstairs. Then the electricity went off. We are paying in excess one of the buildings. In the building I live in, everybody left. In the building next door, people
didn't leave. They had a hurricane party or something. They came down with the elevator. The electricity went off. This costing us all over $51,000 in
repair. It could have been more of a tragedy if someone had been hurt. I don't know what we could do to get people to leave, but I think it's very important that people hear these stories because
many many bad things could have happened in that in that situation. And I'm sure we are not the only condom many that had things like that happen. Thank you. Thank you. All right, I think we'll close the public comment and we'll move on to our
last item of the evening, which is permit review. And Mike, if you'll join us. Oh, here we go. This will be fast. Couple weeks ago, we came and
asked uh to get some additional staff. Um highlighted on the 5th of uh May, we had uh 217 um permits in review and
then 12th it was 243 and then this past week it was down to 202. Now, I'll say one data point is not a trend, but a trend starts with one data point. So, we're on the right track. And
again, we'll continue to monarch it week by week. Okay. Uh question came up about building inspections. So we pulled some numbers the last few weeks. Um, these are the number of requests, the number of
building uh requests coming in to do building inspections. And we're running in the neighborhood of about roughly 230 over the last uh last four weeks. And again, we'll continue to
monitor that. And just so you know, it's not just regular B building permits that we do. Um, this is a breakdown of the of the permits by type. Obviously, uh, the orange one there is the building permits
that we're all familiar with, but you can see there's an excess of 300 plus 200 plus 400. You can see there's any number of other building permits that the city is responsible for. In addition to the norm refunds, everybody's favorite
subject. Um, this is how we're tracking so far. Um, to date, uh, we've got planned in production now about 342 uh, permits to go out by the end of, uh,
June. We'll we're working to get that number higher obviously. Um we've got about 616 to go highlighted by the green. And so right now the grand total is about $47, call it $475,000
uh that we'll be refunding when all is said and done. Our goal is to average about uh 50 a week if we can. again we have like limited resources to do this
and you know we're running uh well we're running very hard I was going to say something inappropriate but uh so anyway um that's it um again I made a commitment we're going to report to you every week or every meeting on our
progress good bad or indifferent or ugly we're going to report it and give you our status Any questions? I don't believe so. So, thank you. One last point. We did get a check in for $600,000.
Oh, good. Nice to see you. That's an insurance check. Yeah. Great. And we'll probably see the ordinance on that upcoming. I tried to squeeze it in for tonight, but you know. Okay. Great. Thank you.
And uh does anybody public comment? Anybody have anything? Okay, great. We're adjourned.