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e e we had some technical problems we were having technical difficulties the meeting starts at two it's about to start right now thank you sir you're welcome okay welcome to the city of Treasure Island planning and zoning board meeting for February 20th 20 25 if
you have a if you wish to speak on a topic which is on today's agenda a speaker's card is available at the table and the over at the entrance and must be completed and given to the chairperson please do not address the board from your seat but rather from the podium
where your comments can be heard by all and recorded as required by Florida statute unscheduled topics may be presented under the public comments section of the agenda thanks for everybody's patience we did have a
couple of technical computer problems okay if everybody would silence their cell phones so we don't have any interruptions and could we stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge ALG to the flag of the United States of America and to the
Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay Stephanie if we could have a roll call Richard Harris here Michael
heres absent Marvin shavin here Grant Smith here Ross Sanchez here Chris Downing absent Jennifer bonor very good thank you and Gary penano
here all right we don't have any uh minutes to approve uh status update on prior planning zoning cases anything you want to tell us about Jesse uh I can tell you a couple just off the top of my head um obviously didn't have time to give you so typically Jennifer just so you know I usually give like an update
of all like the previous cases that we have but because of everything else that's happening at the moment I haven't had a chance to put that together um so some off to top of my head um R's gas station we're you're still waiting to hear back from Corrections comments that were sent out um pirate Square the proposed parking lot we have received
comments back for that that's being sent off to be reviewed by our engineering consultant and then also the baloa shores I believe if I remember that was a 10un condominium unit um they are still in the process of working on permits for fdot and those are the biggest ones off
the top of my head um my bad the proposed parking garage next across from the R's gas station uh we still have not heard anything else about that one yet so the um just to clarify your comments you have gotten a permit for the rally
station and their revisions site plan okay how long ago was that that you got I'm sorry I don't know talk had I'm sorry but the other thing that I wasn't aware of but uh pirate Square parking area actually turned in a plan yes yeah
we did receive their addition they sent their comments back to Corrections that we sent out and we receiv their plan plus everything else that came along with our engineering Consultants Corrections and it's been sent off to be reviewed by them again okay well that's good things so if it works out correctly and review's done uh hopefully it should
be coming to next month's pnz meeting very good thank you all right uh now if you would like to explain some hearing procedures thank you chair the items the city city of Treasure Island Planning and Zoning Board are hearing today are
Quasi judicial in nature that means they are administered sort of like a court Cas is where two parties will have a chance to present evidence and make arguments the first party which will present first is the city second is the applicant a person or legal entity that owns property in the city that is
requesting some sort of relief from the city after the city presents the applicant will present their argument if they have any additional arguments and each party will have an opportunity to ask the other questions after both parties have presented the board will hold a discussion on what was
presented and issue an order approving approving with conditions or denying the relief the applicant is requesting uh if you are in the audience but not here as a party you will have an opportunity to speak during public comment thank you chair thank you okay expart
communication disclosure anybody have any uh thing they need to disclose other than me and I will be recusing myself from the third case today because that happens to be my next door neighbor okay but we'll start out with case number one
10A plat - 0485 d224 7675 B Drive preliminary plat application to subdivide an unplatted track of land this is a case that we uh
previously heard and approved uh about uh doing a lot split on this property it will require a plat our uh applicant is Mr Hendrick bazant please uh approach the podium and state
your case actually sorry chair could I back up I no I believe I just noticed one agenda we didn't actually swear in oh that is true it's not on here thank you for noticing that if you are going to speak on a uh issue on
today's agenda please stand and be sworn in do you solemnly swear and affirm the testimony you're about to give before the Planning and Zoning Board will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do thank you now you can go ahead got to remember
always to do that does everybody remember the case uh yeah I've been here twice now and uh this is about splitting this uh lot in half in what we're really accomplishing
by doing it is in favor of the community we're going from an allowable four units on the L if left as one to only one per part par so so a total of two units
only by splitting it in half okay any questions of the applicant I think everybody except for Jenifer kind of knows about this one because uh it came before this board as a variance and
uh anybody got anything for Mr bizant seeing none please have a seat and we'll have uh the City St give their uh presentation all right so uh yeah just a reminder so this is case number PL A-
00485 d224 and this site location is 7675 Bay short drive um pretty much the biggest thing I want to highlight is the history on this so June 27 2024 there were two variance requests that were approved by the Planning and Zoning
Board to reduce the lot width from 70t to 58.7 Ft and as we all know this is a preliminary plat so there's certain criteria that has to be met and that is stated on your staff report from Pages
five up until page six um so the staff recommends the proposed preliminary plat be approved with the following conditions condition one the final plat of the subdivision shall be prepared and submitted for final approval within one year from the
the date of the preliminary approval per Treasure Island code of ordinances section 74- 31 subsection a condition two the final plat must be prepared in accordance with the conditions of their preliminary approval by the Planning and Zoning Board Treasure Island code of
ordinances section 74- 132 and Florida Statutes chapter 177 condition three prior to a building permit being issued for construction a Subdivision plat shall be recorded with the county clerk of the Circuit Court per Treasure Island code of ordinance section
68-4 subsection 3 the Community Development Department is unable to accept the building permit application until New parcel numbers have been assigned and just to give you a followup of what the uh next steps is going to be um so depending on the outcome of this we will obtain an opinion of title from
the city attorney the final plat will come back will be reviewed by the Consultants prior to the next pnz meeting and then the final plat will then go before the city commission that's all I have okay any questions of City staff on this
case seeing none anybody in the audience today to speak on this case seeing none we will uh oh approach I did not see you there Ron ask you can come and uh speak
whatever you want to speak about on this case only uh at the podium I'm my name is Ron deazi uh I'm not that familiar with this what's your address Treasure Island Florida okay Isa
Palms Sunset Beach I've got a couple places anything else you want to no go ahead okay um I'm not too familiar with this that's why it's going to be hard for me
to but I'm not um aware of what how many buildings are going up is it just two on one lot no that's the uh whole deal with this it's a piece of
land uh total width about 116 ft wide it's going to end up being two single family homes right now the current house the one structure that is there now is being converted to a single family house and uh is being raised the other house
on on this property um to the South will be a new structure okay so the one here is already being raised that is correct okay so I'm not too
concerned with that I'm familiar with that the other building lot there's two units going on there am I correct no it's vacant right now the proposal is to build two units on am I correct that is incorrect single family
house well One S two single family houses right there's one being raised that is one single family house yeah the other other lot is vacant that will be a s second single family house there will only be two dwelling units when this
project is complete do you mind if I approach that go ahead just got to make sure we can hear you any you're saying this lot here there's only one single family
on that L yes come back to the podium so we can hear you and uh but that is correct there's going to be one single family house on that lot which lot is being split in two then that total piece of property
it's it's 116 ft wide there is going to the one that's being raised is going to stay that is correct and there's going to be another single family house put on the other lot that is correct okay that's all okay thank you I just wanted
to get an idea of what was going on thank you all right anybody else in the audience to speak involved uh on this case seeing none we'll close the public hearing uh we've all heard about this
before except for Jennifer and I hopefully that brought you up to date a little bit it's just they can build the owner I should say can build if he wanted to four multifam units all he wants to do is build two single family
houses and he's going to do so uh any other comments or can we have a motion uh on this one may I just ask uh a question sure certainly do we know how soon he plans
on beginning construction if he's already under construction he's uh starting to raise the northernmost house the one that's currently there and okay yes and it's being jacked up excellent thank you Ross would you got a question yeah
just real quick uh for the applicant conditions listed in the packet uh okay with yeah they are standard I think we can avoid them right yep I just want to make sure good all right thank you yeah thank you so while you're talking Ross would
you like to make a motion yeah I'll make a motion in regards to case number flat- 0000 48520 D2 sorry 00485 d224 at the location 7675 Bay short drive in treasure on Florida
33706 as a member of the Planning and Zoning Board I am going to make a motion to approve with conditions ones through three listed in my packet second okay motion by Ross Sanchez second by Marvin shavin um can we have a roll call call
vote please Marvin Shin yes Grant Smith yes Jennifer bonor hi Gary penano hi Ross Sanchez yes Richard Harris yes okay you are approved wherever hendrik
went he's ready to go anyway I'm going to put it on record Hendrick since you left I'm going to say it anyway you got one year to get the final plat done do not let this uh approval expire I know you know better but uh we've seen too
many projects that they get their approval and then they don't do the next step so make sure you do okay moving on to the next one variance 0000 487-2218 Tarpon Drive variance request
to section 68- 541 to permit a can lever second floor deck and stairs to encroach approximately 8 ft into the 30t Waterfront setback the appan is Mr Carmen pachy and he's already at the
podium go ahead and present your case yeah hi uh my name is Carmen pachy I live at 10118 Tarpon Drive Treasure Island so as pretty much every resident in Treasure Island we flood it you know pretty bad so we have decided to elevate
our home um in order to do that and stay in compliance with Treasure Island code we need a water side balcony for ESS out of our master bedroom um along with a balcony you know
out of our uh living space as well um there's no other egress uh possible for our master bedroom uh when we started the process for uh elevating our home we had four issues um various issues uh
that Jesse and my team worked through uh we narrowed it down to just one final issue um out there our balcony will only can aever into the setback our structure
for our balcony will stay within that's not for you we stay within the current 30 foot setback um So currently today the way my house sits my overhang projects 3 feet into the
overhang or into the setback um so we're really not changing the dynamic of views from our neighbors too much here so we're hopeful because we really don't want to have to go through this again absolutely any questions of the
applicant from the staff or from the board excuse me I'm getting ahead of myself if you would have a seat then and Jesse go ahead with your uh staff presentation yeah um sorry I'm trying to load up the site plan at the same time but it might come up there we go all
right so uh this is case number b-0 487-2218 tarp Drive um as the applicant previously stated we did reduce this from four variance requests down to one and we were able to do that because of ordinance
2024 -27 which was recently adopted by the city Commission on January 27th 2025 uh where it permits one set of stairs to encroach into the setbacks therefore the current variance request is only for the encroachment of the proposed stairs and and the cancer lever
deck 5T into the Waterfront set back now and as you can see in your staff report analysis of Land Development regulations are stated on page 7 through 8 then moving on to the staff
recommendation staff recommends approval to a variance request to section 68-54 one to permit a cancer levered second floor deck and stairs to approach 5T into the third Waterfront setback based on analysis of the criteria in
section 70- 221 stated above finding that they have been substantially SA satisfied and that an unnecessary hardship does exist subject to the following conditions condition one the proposed structure shall be substantially consistent with the plans prepared by C Michael McCoy residential
designs Incorporated dated November 21st 2024 and that is all I have for staff okay any uh questions of the staff from the board no I obviously thanks to Katherine and the staff for getting in front of these types of variances it
seems like the what we had took discussed previously as a board on approval for situations like this for people that are trying to raise their house it seems like three Varian is getting approved just because of the work that we've prior done so thanks to Katherine and staff for that um I don't
see any issues with this I mean this is what we're try trying to talk about when it comes to elevating homes in in the city okay anybody in the audience today to speak in regard to this case seeing none any other comments uh from the uh
board Jesse are you seeing a lot of the lifter uh uh permit requests come in just out curiosity I mean I know it seems like this applicants like the Carmen is the is like the first I know he's a Speed Racer but um so we we've seen a couple um but some are going to have to come back in because people
actually started elevating houses without getting permits at first so huh it's going to be a problem um but yeah there's there's a couple that we've seen um actually well thanks this applicant for doing it the right way yes yes exactly okay any other comments we will close
the public hearing um my discussion I have a question of the applicant a little off topic but I think you'll appreciate it okay go ahead Mr pachy list Mr so you've
built a lot of houses in the area I have and uh I'm just wondering I'm sure you're familiar with the Elevate TI controversy I'm wondering number one did you consider bringing fill in for this project I mean I know it wasn't in place but I just wondered if you went through
the process I think that if the city approves that I would be happy to do that I don't think it's a bad suggestion at all I think it's a difficult suggestion you know to get through I think a one foot Elevate is going to be
much easier you know to accomplish in the two foot but I I would like to elevate my first floor call it the garage laab now higher if the city would allow do you have any concept of what the cost would be for that particular house you're
working on now well if my particular house is a little different because we already have property walls that were built by the developer back in the 50s okay so even
if we do Elevate we don't have water enough that we have to worry about to our neighboring properties I think that's going to be the biggest challenge when we start elevating homes is where is all the water going to you know go and so if you have to put property walls in they're very
expensive to put in okay unfortunately the way that Engineers read property walls okay you know homeowners want every inch of their property okay so if that wall sits on the very edge of the property for however tall that wall is
okay that Foundation has to be that wide as well okay so if it's a 6ot wall you need a 6 foundation and you have to bury it 4T in the ground and put counterweight on it it's a 4ft wall you need a 4ft foundation I'm finding this
by every engineer that we're building up and down the beaches okay it's absurd it's very very expensive so two six foot walls down sides of property I mean you're adding $100,000 plus very easily you know to this not including to fill and rais into
seaw wall you know and slab and things like that so yeah it's it's a couple $1,000 request so do you think your future clients are going to be on board with that they're going to want to spend that money my clients probably right yeah
that's a good answer yeah okay but let's remember that you don't have to put in retaining walls with what we've previously put in front of the commission with the conditions right I just want to get his take cuz yeah there's a lot building but in general I mean not that we're interrogating you but in general no I understand allowing
filer is something that the city needs to be looking into I I think they should I think a good thing I just you know when I sat at the Elevate TI meeting when the company came in and discussed their options and my concern
was you know was all the water runoff but you know his CH his thought was okay this guy can only go up 10% okay higher than that guy well you know my client that I just built the house for last year now is going to be the low guy in the
neighborhood okay and this guy's going to go up 10% because he's not going to be allowed to go the full two feet then this guy can go a little bit higher I think there's some challenges there that have to be worked through since we opened this door I just
want to make a few CL clarifications I've seen your house from across the path you're currently at grade I am yeah that's so you're going to be jacking up your house how many feet about to to the first level right you ever take
12 so you know the situation is if you wanted to add like let's just say your finished floor if your current house is about six about if you wanted to make it your finished floor of what will be your new garage up to8 you would have to
bring in two fet of fill what you could do rather than if you did not have the security walls or oh property walls on each side you could do it with twoot high stem walls as well you could you know I mean that that's just another
alternative regardless I'm not saying it's cheap but I tell you I don't know how many people on this board and in this room had water in their house I know a lot of us did I live in a stealth house I still had 30 in of water in my
uh garage it was a royal paint in the neck and uh so we appreciate you doing uh you know raising your house um you know the fact that you're going to get one shot at this cuz it's expensive to
raise a house it does and if your finished floor garage is six you're going to get water if it ever happens again if it gets up to 8 if you could raise a date hey if Helen ever came back you'd be right at the edge God only
knows what's G to happen next time I mean that's four less steps that you have to walk up every day I I just I mean there's a lot of pluses oh yeah but uh anyway we appreciate uh what you've done for this community I've seen your
houses in the past and we appreciate you uh living here in Treasure Island and appreciate your work yeah how long you been on the island for Carmen 1969 okay same street okay any other questions or comments with that we'll close good luck
and congratulations thank you appreciate it thank you all with the that will close the uh public hearing you know this is the type of variance that I think uh does exhibit hardship you're not getting closer to your neighbor it's
strictly in your backyard you're not putting it out in the front yard which would get it kind of a aberration for the rest of the neighborhood this is for the man's backyard and he owns that backyard he's only going 8 ft into his 30 foot Waterfront setback I can
definitely support this uh with that any other comments or would somebody like to make a motion to approve this uh setback variance I'll make a motion regarding case number v- 0048 72024 uh the planning are AAR I move to
approve a variance request to section 68 - 541 to permit a canal levered second floor deck and stairs to encroach 5 ft into the 30ft Waterfront setback with the following condition the proposed structure shall be substantially
consistent with plans prepared by C Mitchell mro McCoy residential designs Incorporated dated November 21st 2024 second okay we got a uh Motion in a second no did that uh I want to make
sure that our motions are uh M did that sound uh proper to you we just want to make sure that the condition there right oh yeah we just want to make sure everything's covered so with that can we have a roll call vote Grant Smith
yes Jennifer boner I Marvin shavin yes Harry penano hi Ross Sanchez yes Richard Harris yes thank you Mr py go build a house as soon as you get your building for per
minut go raise a house and build a deck okay third uh case today variance 0000 495-2255 71 Bay plasant after the fact variance request to section 68- 460 up
parentheses to close parentheses to prevent pull equipment not adjacent to the principal structure I am going to recuse myself since this is my nextd door neighbor but as the nextd door neighbor I just want to make the comment that I have no objections to this uh
variance here whatsoever chair if I may I just want to go over something briefly regarding when you abstain okay okay so under Florida statute as a member of the Planning and Zoning Board you have an affirmative duty to vote there are two exceptions to that the first is if you have a conflict
of interest that would be if you owned an interest in the property and that's not the case right chair I do not the second is only in a quasi judicial proceeding like this and that is if you have a bias and which I believe is what you're saying because you're the neighbor you don't want to have an appearance of bias I don't want to have
appearance but I have discussed this case with the applicant and the applicant's Builder okay so you have an ex party issue and the okay so you can obstain after that I want that to be clear I think it would just be the uh safest method if I did age and we do
have a uh full Quorum so no problem today Ross we're going to put it in your capable hands sounds good we good I can move forward good you move for all right so in regards to the case number uh v- 0049
52024 uh I'll take the lead on this is chair due to Richard's expar Communications as well as the discussions he had with the attorney so with that being said is there an applicant present today that has a presentation my name is CLO I'm the owner Bill Saxton who is building my
house is unfortunately in the hospital and not doing to well but therefore I'm here myself uh this is the last part of the 4-year project and we were instructed from um the electrican electric company
to turn the staircase for the deck up to the meter around so the stairs came from the south side instead which eliminated the possibility for the pool equipment to come up against the wall where it was originally
planned uh on top of that you can see right down the middle uh like you spoke before we actually do have a a six foot wall on both sides so uh drainage is a must for the for the property and that
comes right down in the middle uh in between uh the wood deck and the current placement of the pool equipment it is made maybe further than it looks but it's actually only 54 in from the origin original location so in
order to get the drainage in we we had to move it to the side so that's basically the only deviation on the whole project that's about it thank you sir what what was your name okay it's on here thank you um any questions of the
applicant by the board do we know how far the equipment is from the wall the fence or whatever 58 5 58 we have actually had to split on the back side there's no other Swale J swes
on both side of the pool equipment okay is uh Richard in the lot 13A closer to the no on the side Chairman's on the other side but I've spoken to him and he has no problem with this what about the property owner on the other side has no no
problem they would have been notified about this so all right being that there are no other questions uh thank you sir uh staff report all right so this is sorry right so case number b-00 495
22024 site location 371 Bay Plaza I'll just give a little background on this one uh the applicant has recently constructed a single family resident and swimming pool on a subject property and are seeking a variance to locate the associated swimming swimming pool equipment up to 15 ft from the primary
structure uh since section 68-46 requires that PO equipment be located adjacent to the principal structure uh also another a variance to reduce the 10-ft pool setback to 5 ft for the pool location was granted on April 20th
2010 and as the applicant stated they have indicated that the proposed pool equipment cannot be located adjacent to the house because the location of the required platform to access the electric meter that is adjacent to the house the applicants have further indicated that the PO equipment cannot be located any
close to the house because it would conflict with site drainage and as you can see in the staff report on page five through Page seven uh that staff's analysis of of variance criteria and moving on to staff
recommendation staff recommends approval of an after theact variance request to section 68-46 subsection 2 to permit pool equipment not to be adjacent to the principal structure based on the analysis of the criteria in section 70- 221 stated above finding that they have
been substantially satisfied and that an unnecessary hardship does exist does exist subject to the following conditions condition one the proposed structure shall be substantially consistent with the survey prepared by geod data services dated December 10th
2024 and now as I I have for staff are there any questions from the board to City staff none I don't think there's any cards um that were submitted any questions from
the audience on this topic okay being that I hear none we'll close the public hearing and if there's any board discussion great if there is a motion that would also be great as well yeah I'm not allowed to make a motion
I'll move to to approve case number v- 0495 d224 371 Bay Plaza Treasure Island Florida um move to approve an after the
fact variance request to section 68-46 parentheses 2 to to permit pool equipment not to be adjacent to the principal structure with with the following condition the proposed structure shall sub substantially be substantially consistent with the survey
prepared by Geo data services dated December 10th 2024 second uh motion or motion has been recognized by Mr shovin and seconded by Mr Grant or I'm sorry Mr Smith sorry Grant no
worries roll call vote please Jennifer bonor hi Gary penano hi Marvin shavin yes Grant Smith yes Ross Sanchez yes awesome you're all set we will welcome the chairman back to
his chair cool thank you for taking over for that one get to see uh the pool in action they've uh had a lot of cleanup to do After the Storm unfortunately okay public comment on non-agenda items anybody in the audience
wish to speak on a non-agenda item seeing none reports and comments of City attorney staff and board members we'll start out with the city attorney you got anything Noah I do not but I believe City staff does yes they do we
all had a pass um handout earlier about the duties of the Planning and Zoning Board and what uh we're supposed to do and uh we just had three great examples of three cases and uh but uh Katherine wants to go over some of the items that
were brought up last Thursday and uh go ahead and we'll all have comments for it but you go ahead I've got like five different things to talk about so um let me just go through the housekeeping items first uh Mr heres has
resigned from the board because he has moved off the island good so um I forgot to let the clerk know that but uh that's why he is no longer here so he submitted his res resignation quitter was he a
condo right the question I had in regard to that Gary has been uh Faithfully serving on this board uh he is an alternate after how many years you've been here three years three can we get him to step in Mr herbage
Place somehow I don't know if we can or not um I'm going to ask Tia um she's on vacation today to um email you where the vacancies are um because that was requested by um Chris Downing so I'll
make sure it goes out to all of you that is uh something that's advertised and that decision is made by the city commission right it's just uh but I believe we have two vacancies and that's that's what I'm not don't have if they're District specific cuz I don't
know who's serving in which district and there's there's District Representatives well I know that Chris Downing is at large and everybody else is uh well I'm at large I believe we have one more at large that's why I want the official records from the clerk how they were
appointed by the resolutions um just to make sure we've got this right yeah you know I have my opinion of what I think it is but I would like to have all the resolutions in front of me before I state that in a public meeting I do believe that Michael was specific to
district one since he lives on Al Capri Gary lives on a Palms so I'm not sure that would work but let's see what we can do cuz in Paradise excuse me Paradise one of those P Islands the fanc I meant to say Paradise
but anyway in recognition of his service I'd like to make him a full member just make that suggestion would go to the commission um these applications will be advertised publicly for people to apply um and the commission makes that determination Gary I recommend you fill
out an application I know you've kind of done that already but uh well we need to make sure there's a seat that he can move into so that let let us just get the just get let me know proper information to you and then you will know absolutely I don't want to make
representations here that we haven't verified um the reason we don't have an LPA today is be uh we were asked at the last meeting we had uh four members present uh last week to have a special LPA meeting today to discuss the powers
of the LPA board uh but those powers are actually attributed to the pnz board so I've handed out a hand out to you a excerpt from the code from Chapter 70 um which is our Planning and Zoning chapter and the specific excerpts are from the
chapter the section on Planning and Zoning Board and uh so what you will see there on the first page under 7-9 you'll see the highlighted part talks about the powers of the
lp so the Planning and Zoning Board Shall Serve as and constitute the local planning agency as required by state statutes it's the function and duty of the local planning agency to review and recommend adoption of amendments to the comp plan new Land Development Reg
ulations as well as amendments changes modification of those Land Development regulations uh review development agreements as well as amendments to those and actions on rezoning so those are the
um code duties of the local planning agency there is a section on the back side of this page called uh 70-10 um these are powers of the Planning and Zoning Board so uh there were some questions that have come in both at the meeting last week and by
email to us asking um what role the the board plays in you know the future determinations of the city so this outlines that so the Planning and Zoning Board may make reports and
recommendations relating to the planning and development of the city to public officials and agencies utility Civic professional and other organizations for the citizens of the city it may recommend to the city commission programs for public Improvement and the
financing thereof um it may require information they have the power to require information from the city manager who shall upon request furnish information to the board in a reasonable time they have a right of entry in the performance
of its functions the Planning and Zoning Board and its members or employees may enter upon any land and make examinations and surveys and place and maintain necessary monuments and marks therein very unusual powers um and then
Redevelopment and reconstruction the Planning and Zoning Board may make and adopt a plan for the replanning Reconstruction or Redevelopment of any area or zoning districts which may be destroyed in whole or part by Hurricane
I'll skip the other disasters um and then generally the Planning and Zoning Board shall have such Powers as may be necessary to enable it to perform its purposes and to promote Municipal planning so that kind of elaborates on
some of the questions that came up at the last meeting as to the powers of the Planning and Zoning Board now there are other statutory requirements there are other many other requirements that will come into play um any ordinances that would need to be
passed are through the city commission uh um there are a lot of other levels of planning that have to go into place to implement change things like changes to the comp plan or things like changes
to um make the comp plan consistent with the Land Development regulations so I just want to emphasize that uh I've been asked by one member of the board if we could set up a time in April to talk about this in more detail which seems like a reasonable request as you
probably all know staff is a little bit um busy at the moment with multiple responsibilities trying to get permits out of here and trying to you know get all this new development approved at at the same time so there's a lot going on behind the scenes
um so that's a report on the powers and need to get some direction on that the next thing I have is an update on Elevate hold on can we can we can we address that topic like the last like bullet that you just went over cuz I
think I'm the board member that had requested something for April so I mean if you'd like yeah please discuss so I just in I'm not available in March it's the vbar week of vbar everyone knows that I don't I cannot be here on a Thursday um because of that week so in
April I am requesting I just want and by the way thank you for providing us our powers very valuable position that this board has for the future of our city I just want to kind of get on the same page on how we as a board can help the staff the city manager on trying to
figure out what is our next steps in regards to growth and progress within the city from a commercial standpoint and whether if we have to touch on some of the residential stuff so that's where my inquiry came in um do I ask like do we put it as an agenda item to say can
we put this on as topic of discussion or how does that work do you need like a formal request or I think we would just put it as a workshop item on the agenda for April okay that's I would like to do that I don't know if would like to do yeah I'm I'm on board with that
okay thank you Katherine for putting this together sure um sorry Katherine is the rest of the board on board with us some nods but I didn't yeah just just so we have it on the record everyone wants to thank you yeah I'll be gone for a weeks while you know the dates so hopefully we could
coordinate thank you pz is the third th Thursday of every month I think I'm gone that okay at 2 p.m. um the other thing I know there was some conversation at the last meeting and um Joan can come up and talk about it about
creating some kind of committee board whatever it is to look at the funding disaster funding that's coming from the county and coming back to the city and I wanted to let you know that the uh city manager has put together a voluntary
board that is working not a board a voluntary group that is working on that and making recommendations that go back to the city commission um she can tell you the compilation of the board I don't even have that information sorry they are not a board I did not say that group
group a group talking to a board so I mean so what sorry they've already started and I know the Train's left the station there on that group um you've started are we uh do duplicating that
effort what benefit does that do if we start over here and they're over there some point we' have to bring these two things together so maybe since they've started out of the station let them go and maybe we just have a follow-up meeting why would why wouldn't it come through us that's I was going to say I
mean is there a way to tell the Comm is there a way to let me let me finish guys let me finish please okay go ahead Gary but uh you got the floor now I'll say why haven't they come this way so what I was going to say is this
and I'll have Jane Joan explain this because I'm not involved in this at all um but this is related to funding that's post disaster funding and how it is spent within the city so it it's really not looking at a
future development proposal it's looking at funding that is basically coming back to the city and let me have Joan explain the purpose of it and how it can be spent because it is very specific and most of you weren't here at the last meeting okay and just remember we just
read something in this section that says the Planning and Zoning Board may make reports recommendations y y yada to Citizens it may recommend to the city commission programs for public improvements and the financing thereof okay I just want to make sure that I read that correctly that's thank you and what is
this group we're talking about uh she's going to explain it to us right now explain it in more detail because I'm not involved in it I don't want to good good afternoon goodro economic development director for hey welcome so nice to see some of you again and nice
to put faces to you got a blank canvas around here new friends so um this group that we're talking about it's a working group that the city manager has put in place um right now we're um calling it rebuild U Treasure Island working group
and it's basically designed um to help the city identify funding sources um for projects programs and initiatives that will ultimately um make decisions on together uh moving forward as we
rebuild as far as um sources of funding what I learned so we well we had our inaugural meeting um last Monday we'll meet again the next three Mondays as we in particular look at the $814 million
that the county pelis county has received from HUD for cdbg-dr which stands for Community Development block grants Disaster Recovery um from um Washington so um in
the cdb gdr there's going to be a lot of acronyms so forgive me for that um there's three buckets of opportunities that we have one to work on our housing needs unmet housing needs post storm the second is our unmet needs in
infrastructure and the third is our unmet needs in economic revitalization so those are the three buckets specifically for the cdbg drr what I learned um during these past um couple of days is I've identified with
the team that there's actually 30 different funding sources that um we will potentially use as we look look forward to building rebuilding Treasure Island um that includes out of the 30 as
an example Treasure Islands general fund our cash reserves our building fund um it'll be um County programs and funds that we have access to there'll be other Federal um funds that will have access
to like FEMA Public Assistance programs that start with the um letter A go to G and also include Z so um currently I'm putting together a matrix you know
trying to compile a lot of the information um that the team has been working on now um for months since um the post storm um this also includes now that I'm looking at Jesse it includes even funding sources with our local
mitigation strategy so um there's a lot of um a lot of things that are just um churning um but uh we look forward or I look forward and the team
looks forward to bringing a lot of that Clarity um back um to the board our key advisors our city commission other you know our community at large as we figure out what type of priorities we want to
make on programs projects and initiatives as we seek to take care of our community so I don't know what that sounded like to you so it's just getting started the the train while the train has you know left the station it it has
it's we're just beginning the work together Joan when does the timeline stop that this uh uh submitt of request has to be ready to go and presented I heard a rumor and you got to help me with this I already heard St Pete got money and they've gone and they're got
their money they're off and running so based on the size of St Pete um they they went directly to Washington and did get their allocation I think it's like don't hold me to the exact number about $125 million they've already received
directly from Washington um as far as you know what happens next with this particular funding um program for the cdb gdr are um we'll be working the next um couple
of months with our partners at the county to come up with our uh a plan of action you know and being ready for when the county we anticipate possibly that can come um late spring early summer W
where they will open up um the 8113 million and accept actual plans of action from its Municipal Partners does that take sa P out of that kitty are they still back in it I don't know these are some of the questions that I still
have to ask on our behalf a lot of money they rewarded boy that's a big chunk of money we could have used but it seems like they're already digging in digging in already so yeah um so I've stuck my nose and forced our way into all of these you know so the county
has all of these working groups too they're a little bit more formalized they call it the the response support function for housing the um response support function for um infrastructure so I've just sat on now um each call for
each of those um support functions and the county still just getting its hands around um the impact excuse me the impact of the 2024 storm season what um I
appreciate is the openness and collaborative spirit that our county has with us so you know when I started to just you know Stir It Up In my own little way you know Treasure Island you know we're we're hurting we need help we
want stronger Partnerships um they everything that we've asked for they've delivered you know so um the county is data um has amazing data points and information that they've been sharing with us so as we continue to have this
conversation together so like as an example of a data point that um I just received from the county to go along with some of the data our team has been releasing and I'm happy to share you
know again what what we find so the county has actually actually put together a dashboard um that looks at the whole picture of the county and then along with each of its 24 municipalities so according to
data um sources from our County Partners Helen um impacted 3,195 of our residential structures um Milton impacted
1,36 of our residential structures now now why does that matter well you know that gives us an opportunity to align with what Catherine and our team is seeing on the ground so we can anticipate how many more permits what type of activity um we're going to see
so you know the willingness of our County Partners and um we were just on a call with our property appraiser Mr Twitty to figure out what data and information does he have what kind of um impact you know can
we foresee moving forward because we'll have to to do all of that forecasting as to you know what what resources we have and just what resources we need to go hunt for as we prioritize
activities okay do let me um jump in here real quick uh Gary and then we'll recognize you next uh this Advisory board has it been totally fleshed out I want to see who's on it uh I have heard
some interest from members of this board that want to be on it I want to make sure that uh The Advisory board has the proper expertise there's a lot of people in this city that have real strong opinions but we don't want any caves or
bananas on that board a cave is citizens against virtually everything a banana is built absolutely nothing absolutely nowhere at any time and you know some of us actually recognize the status of our city at this
point you and I had a discussion about our Central business district has the board has this Advisory Group I should call it been totally fleshed out and then can we get the names of who's on it so um just to clarify Mr chair it's not an Advisory Board it's it's a working
group it's a working group to the city manager at this point so Advisory Board I think of you know the city commission asked like y'all are an Advisory Board to the city commission so I just clarify the group's primary function is
fact finding right not making advising anything to the commission correct so so no recommendations would go to the commission by this group this is only recommendations that would go to um the professional team here it's just
regardless we want to make sure that uh I just don't why I wouldn't come here we get the proper people on this in this group no matter what their function is I know for a fact that Gary poten has requested his presence in that as a member of that group and uh when I
discussed it with him I said hey go for it you know if you can serve on both group groups or both boards you know not a board okay this Planning and Zoning Board and that group you know Cu uh I want wanted to serve on two boards and
you cannot serve on two boards I just the city manager wants to have a convers I mean like on stuff like this I mean we're here every third Thursday of the month at 2 I just feel like if there's stuff that's out there that's available it should be running through this especially if it's like Katherine had
mentioned it does go to the commission from the from the group I mean that was what we yeah what we were told I mean we should be bringing stuff to the to the commission right so this this group is not going to bring anything to the city commission but it does go to the city
manager this group is a is a working group to the city manager and the city manager does go to Every commission meeting so is he just keeping that information to him himself and then I mean obviously he shares something to the commission I
know it hasn't happened yet but I just it's hard for me to see the steps here especially when I read this document about the responsibilities that we have well does that make S I mean I hope I'm not trying to so how do we get how do we get the planning board involved you know it section
70-10 item D Redevelopment Rec construction the Planning and Zoning Board may make an adopt and you can read the rest of it uh you know admittedly our downtown was our Central business district as I like to call it was
majorly damaged by the two hurricanes it was mostly damaged the Southside before the Hurricanes we would love and I think I speak for this board to see something decent happen downtown I know that while we cannot actually do any work or spend
any money we can certainly modify some of the Land Development regulations to make them more compatible with something that the uh owner of that land would like to build and uh something that I mean I
think can speak for the board we'd all love to have a few more restaurants here in this town we'd like to see if a little uh more retail other than our typical t-shirt shops so uh tattoo parlor you know four-year-old doesn't need a anything we can do to help is
what I think this board is saying and not only just from the downtown Corridor but I mean even like the John's Pass stuff or even the the entry coming over the bridge I mean I look at that bullet point D and I mean when it comes to you know seriously damaged by
Hurrican I mean you know this board should be talking using that money to figure out how to help out the people that own the John's Pass parcels and the club and I mean any of the commercial stuff may I be recognized certainly
thank you I just would like to say that I in hearing this I would like there to be more transparency and I'd like us to be the Planning and Zoning or LPA to be involved as well um more than I mean you've only had one meeting but now that
it's come to everybody's um attention I think that would be really important for us to work together and in concert so that we're not stepping over each other's toes and um we can make it work more efficiently
to what everybody wants to see happen well we're one team right yeah so so you know I guess we're just getting going and you know certainly what I can say is needed is if you've got ideas on
projects programs and initiatives that fall into housing infrastructure and economic revitalization um then we need to connect so I can kind of add it to the whole you know a list right because
that's where you know the value you know our community best from your districts or from your expertise um so as it relates to specifically the cdb gdr um which is just the focus of this group um at this time yeah you know
sharing you know what you think is a priority I i' I'd love to hear it and I know the the working group would love to hear it too I think what at least for me what I'm asking and it seems that other people are asking this as well is we want to as much as we want to share with you we want you to share with us
absolutely well you know whether it's a summary or having a meeting before our meetings or after or what have you so we if we choose to participate and we're able to um within our constraints our legal constraints I think we'd like to do that yeah so I'm happy you know like
you know I just drafted our summary notes from our first meeting so those will be a available hopefully you know before I leave today um so I can coordinate with Miss Katherine because again remember I don't know
exactly on how the information flow um happens um around here but yeah you know so so summary notes will be available um again our door is open right now we've um agreed to meet on Mondays at 1:00 um and so that that'll be in person
um or via team um I don't think you know I know that it's not the manager's intention to to keep anybody away um but right now we're just trying to understand the cdb
gdr you know um component um but again we need to identify our unmet needs you know over the next couple of months and ultimately prioritize what kind of ask we want to make from Treasure Island to the county for this you know it's one thing that I'd like to
bring up it's something that Ross Sanchez has brought up in the past and this is the big opportunity to do it the city of Treasure Island just spent a ton of money on the entrance to our city along uh 107th Avenue the M Palms that survived which most of them did the
Landscaping that survived uh looks good as soon as it makes its recovery but something is ridiculous as those fences coming in here I have a certain segment of fence that I'm watching to see how long it takes be repaired I know that it should not be this board or the city of
Treasure Islands Bo um effort to get those people that own those properties to come up with a decent uniform looking fence but quite frankly as Ross pointed out as long as over a year ago it looks terrible and uh it looks even worse
after the storm that are in the city of St Pete Unfortunately they are in the city of St Pete a lot of them have come back with the white vinyl fencing but uh our Landscaping plans for that should have just had a hedge that goes all the way down so we paid a lot of money for
some Landscape designer to put in what was there and it died 3 weeks later so you know if again something I mean it's a hot button for me because our amazing public work staff is out there mowing the yard trimming the trees and you got all these nasty fences down both sides
of it and you know our team's out there working their tail off to make it beautiful for us as we drive into our city but then you got the city of St Pete not doing their part and I understand they're privately owned fences but you know when it comes to planning for the future and downtown and welcoming this be new beautification of
Treasure Island the new landscape design should be having Hedges that block all them ugly fences then we don't have to deal with it and we could talk about this another time but that was what that's what initially got me involved with Treasure Island and I went to the
commission and and um Stacy and and uh talked about the landscaping and begged for something that would it was amazing those fences and other things long story short they said they would do it and then backed out on that word you know
what's even more frustrating as you rid down the road and you see these contractors doing these fences and they are just ripping to living oh yeah you're true the cinder blocks across there they're digging through it you know we spent so much money to plant we
spent another bunch of money to plant then we had the storm and then they're down there just treasure Lane anding it up treasure Lane in Paradise Causeway treasure treasure Lane in Paradise Causeway he's he's right on that one well Jackie's in there doing the permit stuff so she can't I mean she tries I
know she tries to well regardless any there's a big pile of money that's almost a billion dollars it should go a municipality's business to uh prepare to repair something as basic
fences but it'd be nice to have a uniform interest but the other thing is and Jennifer's exactly right I'm not sure what the plant species needs to be but a nice 8 foot hedge would solve the problem yep
so suggestion I have a question yeah so moving away from the Landscaping just for a minute uh last meeting you were here Joan I asked you specifically about the criteria associated with obtaining block grants do you recall that are you going to be able to provide some information on the criteria associated
with them yes Mr Smith I'm still hunting down I think the criteria will be different what I learned on these work um on these support function calls in housing infrastructure and economic revitalization is there's going to be
different criteria in each of those buckets um however I did learn our data point around um the percentage of our population that is low to moderate income and from the 2020 um census that is
21.8% of our population um falls into low to moderate income and um that's about as much as I've learned since we last saw each other so there's a there's a means testing for income associated with obtaining the grants for some of them yes sir okay for the housing I
would guess well and again it depends on how the county ultimately ends up structuring um each of the criteria each of these buckets you know housing traditionally is more um like a weight
uh for evaluating applications a wait for low to moderate income is definitely there for housing I'm not quite sure if economic revitalization and infrastructure would have the same weighted criteria that they'll be asking us to you know so when they EV valuate
our plan of action you know that's as important as maybe something else so that criteria is evolving as they work together criteria is evolving and has not been published by the county and the county is the one that is creating the criteria correct okay go for it there
Gary the second question one we let Grant finish and then go for it I understand I should say okay that's great you mentioned 30 additional funding sources that this group is uncovered did I hear that correct well that's separate from the block grant at
no well um the cdbg is just one out of those 30 so if you think about what are the the resources we're going to have collectively to rebuild and recover you know you can start with the feds with
FEMA PA a FEMA PA B FEMA Pac so I so I counted those as one two three and then when you add in Treasure Island general funds and this fund and this cash Reserve I came up with 30 different
potential funding opportunities for us depending on what priorities we select for programs projects and initiatives as we recover okay does that make sense yeah thank you and and I think uh this is um as an
example I was in another meeting just with um our insurance team so so we'll have the ability to it's it's going to be a big puzzle so um somebody asked that you know the question well what are
insurance proceeds well you know that's still a work in progress we don't know how much the city is going to get um from our insurance coverage yet from the storm but how we choose to use insurance proceeds with you know this building as
an example well we might want to use insurance proceeds to pay for whatever we need for this building but we might actually get more benefit if we were to position the repair of this building into another funding bucket so there's
going to be you know that's where you know kind of the the puzzl to our our rebuilding and Recovery it's going to get quite fun to figure it all out because it's it's yeah thanks it's
complicated thank you go ahead Gary wow when you see 30 sources I God you and that is such a huge bucket to deal with and let me go back to where I was before and I'll come backwards again so we'll
have to have grant writers right to write these do we have them available um we're we're looking into them now that was just like one of the suggestions that the working group um gave us um on Monday you know clearly just as we started to look at just the cdb gdr how
hard it is because each bucket's going to have its own criteria that was just one of the recommendations they came came out with so we've we're now trying to find out who the best grant writing person for cdb gdr is for us we can
bring that forward and put that in place is there a Target date out there that we've got to reach and be ready for this the best estimate at this point for the county 8814 mil million and of course we're all not competing for that it'll
be a slice of let's just call it 20% of the 814 is what will will be competing for um the best guesstimate at this point is late spring early summer we've got to have our one to two pager ready
to go and you know be ready then that's when they would open up the application portal for us to put in our it's a tough task it's not easy it's going to be a tough task and and I think oh well I'm not gonna say what I think never mind
where's the other 80% go it'll um it'll go to the County's needs or specifically to meet the low to moderate component to those
dollars just for the record if there are any insurance proceeds from the old buildings they can go towards new buildings that the city's going to build that's just something that I got to throw out there and if you are working into the different Grand opportun see if you can get any money for the golf course cuz that's a pride of this island and let's want to make sure that
that stays in place so thank you okay thank you let uh nice Mee nice meeting you I have one question cther you uh you have more obviously oh I I would is there something else related to Joan that yeah uh I apologize but um so to
know are two of us able from the planning board to attend the meting meeting it would be a little iffy um as long as you're not discussing things that will come before either the LPA or because it will all come before it come
before the LPA in pnz you could but you couldn't have any discussions there regarding matters that are going to come before the board so knowing that that's basically their um the construct of what they're doing then how can we combine
the two so that if any board member two or more want to attend we can we have them come after our meetings and make that part of our agenda I'm just I see Joan just let it do let it I in my opinion just let it roll I mean we're going to see it anyway
and then you can rather than burden your Monday time slot Joan did mention Joan did mention having summary reports prepared maybe that's something that staff could present at this board's meetings so you have that information to work with when you're using the 70-10 planning stuff we were talking about
earlier there that's kind of how I envisioned it but can we just have this as an agenda item every meeting for the next 6 months or whatever yeah we could have staff report and have Joan here so I think that would be good if we could have Joan here let's
Le let's just go with Joan we won't be a part of it then if it's going to be a problem Noah says then maybe I shouldn't be trying to request to attend this meeting if just one member is there wouldn't be a problem the problem comes out of it being Sunshine Law And if because it's all going to come so we'll
we'll draw that request back from me then and then hopefully Jun can come forward and we can have just a snapshot of something that I mean it would just be good as we go along okay go ahead Katherine let's W this thing I just wanted to caveat some
of the things like she's identified they this group has identified 30 potential funding sources but keep in mind a lot of this FEMA money is going back to reimburse things that the city has spent debris this this this that has come out of the city's fund so it's not all just
Flo it's not like we hit the Powerball people but uh a lot of it like you said where it goes is the question but it a lot of it's going back into the city's uh budget you know and into the city's funds because this was not this
was we have reserves to cover stuff like this but then we you know and I can't really I'm not going to speak anymore on budget but just keep in mind that just money came from somewhere to begin with the FEMA stuff well hope needs money hopefully we can use some of that money
to get these poor firing Police Department guys out of their little cubes out there wellion uh did authorize them to go forward with um working on a design so do I need to make a motion to have that an indefinite agenda
item we wouldn't need a motion but if we get a you know vote vocal confirmation from everyone just make sure that's what everyone on the board wants sure let's just have a v vote all in favor any opposed hearing none let's include that this board is headed in the
direction obviously from our last meeting in this that uh there there are a group of uh six of us here and Chris and uh Chris Downing as well we just like to see some positive things happening with our
Central business district are you know the gator property I'm not going to call it our Gator property and uh you know the club as well uh things are happening on the uh Treasure Bay property but uh due to the storm it's
going to need something too so it's all positive you know we uh just want to see good things but go ahead Katherine I just wanted to give an update on Elevate um TI more commonly known as the terrain modification program so at the uh
LPA board meeting in December uh the board recommended that this program uh go forward with eight specific criteria those were that no fill is required no seaw walls are required no
docks no mandate sign and sealed drainage plan no height requirements so basically what that has become is a complete completely voluntary program so if people want fill this is the program
which will cover the fill requirements if they don't want fill they don't need any so um I just want to emphasize that this is made up of eight ordinances that affect the Land Development regulations there are a lot of other important things in there when we change the storm water that have rippled through the code
they went into the Marine to being able to elevate seaw walls to affect the zoning regulation so this has um gone through our code from the building code to the flood plane code to the storm waterer code to the zoning code to the
Marine code so it it has rippled throughout so this this is an extensive package of amendments that are included in this um terrain modification program so I want to make sure that everyone understands what the commission has called staff to do is to take this
forward and to bring it to them as a complete with these changes incorporated into the manual and incorporated into the code we're working on that now it's going to the commission uh first hearing will be on March 18th um with the second public hearing
would be scheduled for April 1st uh but I just want everyone to understand that there is no mandates in this code if you use Phill you follow the manual as to how you use it but there's not a mandate to have fill so
uh what we were talking about earlier where somebody wants to add a photo fill that's per perfectly allowed you could have zero all the way up to the goal height and the goal height for uh low floor on a house I believe is
7.5 um so this has now become a completely voluntary program the other things that a lot of people had concerns about were um a cumulative CSI that was removed before you saw it in
December and the other was taking the 50% to 49 that was also removed before you saw that in December at the commission's direction so we are now going forward with the program as recommended by the LPA and as directed by the commission Katherine can I ask
you the question somewhat in Reverse so in because you said as if they're wanting to bring Phil obviously they have those conditions but it still follows the terrain modification manual just the manual yes as to how as to how however so to ask the question if someone wants to bring in Phil MH they
can do it with a with the conditions is there anything else that's big ticket items that we need to be on the lookout for that is outside of a sign and sealed drainage plan so what's in the manual and what has always been in there is uh more topographic
information we're right now struggling a lot with drainage plans because there's not sufficient information to determine that it's not going to drain on neighbor's property so there's a very specific um type of survey required but that's been in the program from the beginning
nothing new my comments on that if I could having been in that business for 30 years it's just your typical topographic survey and you will have to and surveyors do have the right to go on your neighbor's yard but you will have
to go into your neighbor's lot about 50 ft you know to make sure that you are not draining your water on to his lot there's a lot of problems with that you know it's the situation there's only three types of drainage in the whole
world you either drain it from the back of your lot to the street from the middle of your lot to the seaw wall and to the street or the worst kind is from the street back to the seaw wall uh it's not hard it's not hard at all you know what one thing I did want to make the
clarification of you know the comment was made oh all we needed to do was remove the the word not from our ordinance this board knows that that's not correct because we've heard about uh what I am now calling removal of the
prohibition of Phil from uh Treasure Island you know we've heard this initially in December of 2023 I'm looking forward to getting rid of that prohibition and uh you know prime example Carmen pachy was just here
he uh said that it's not cheap but then again who wants to go through 3 feet four feet of fill I mean excuse me four feet of water inside your house you know nobody does nobody does even your garage let me
tell you I live in a Ste house it was still not fun so thank you for all your efforts uh Katherine I know it's been a challenge but I think we've uh bowed it down to something that people can live with but uh just informal
I have talked to a lot of people who are rebuilding houses I mean a lot and not one has said no I am not going to uh want my house raised a little bit provided if you have a garage it's not supposed to be finished it's supposed to
be designed so it can take water well mine was designed that way it's pain in the neck and uh the only one that uh I think is making a major mistake that I have seen is at 43 dolphin Avenue and the man is building a house there right
now and the Finish floor of his garage is going to be elevation five which means if we ever get a helan again he's going to have 3et of water inside his garage well that's his choice you know that is absolutely the way we want it if uh if he wants to go through that more
power to him but I want to have the average citizen in treaser Island to have the ability to raise his lot the finished floor of his garage um to an elevation where he doesn't have to go through that anymore
the only thing that he cannot do and what we must be very careful of and it's very easy do not drain your storm water onto your neighbors's lot and while what happens is and I've seen this over the years many times is you initially grade the
lot so it does not drain on your uh neighbor's yard it has to stay that way forever and a lot of times with landscaping and whatnot things do change over the years and uh it's just something we got to uh work with there's
been a lot of uh misunderstanding on this whole program but the bottom line is is one thing nobody wants to go through this again and we need to get rid of that prohibition of fill onto this island and that's it and this is the quickest way to do it because it'd
be interesting to know jessing maybe uh you might know off the uh off the cuff of how many houses have been torn down and getting rebuilt right now there's a not yeah there's a lot not well there's I don't know the numbers we're working on those numbers now we were asked for
those numbers um in the commission on there are several I mean there's houses that are coming down on Sunset Beach that are coming down but you don't see anything any plans for them to come back yeah that's the correlation we're trying to make of the ones that have come down how many have a permit in and of the
ones that have a permit in how many are to elevate and how many are to rebuild well you know Katherine the one comment I keep hearing is oh we just want a simple fill ordinance well you know we all want a simple fi ordinance but the thing is we need it now we don't need to
throw the baby out with the bath water in the way of uh this uh manual it's a good manual it takes the Florida housing Administration Federal housing Administration guidelines and customizes them to Treasure
Island grading Lots is not hard like I described earlier there's only three types and uh a flat City like uh Treasure Island there's usually only two types but something we need to uh get on the books so we don't end up in the
future uh if this ever happens again and we end up with houses with fouret of water in them and people are going why the hell didn't we uh do something well we're doing something so thank you to everybody who's made this effort and thank you to the board for
hanging in there yeah no it's great um sorry for the rework on all that other stuff Katherine but I do have a question for like the residents that are have Rewritten these ordinances about I know but it's worth it so we appreciate you being flexible with us for the for the residents that are out there that are in the process of talking to an architect
or whatever should they be waiting to so could they submit their housing permit for a brand new build and then once this goes live if it goes live per the approvals then they could make the change during the process or should they they could come in with Aion they would
have to plan ahead I think it's kind of like the gentleman who was here I think it was for the Pearl um who said hey I'll just make my pilings longer and if I have to cut them off later I will you know like just plan ahead that you're thinking that you may want to do this
okay and it's also in its as proposed form right now very flexible so you could put zero feet of fill one foot two feet or maybe two and a half depends on what your goal height is um there is a Max but there's no men okay and then
again sign and seal delivery is so does that process um eliminate like the additional engineering that could potentially be out there from the city side if a because in our conditions we have the sealed drainage plans go in
with the application they're required now okay it's that these are more clear as to what those requirements are that's already a requirement in our code if you're um doing any kind of land alteration okay and then so what would you say would be the go live date
pending future approvals when it comes to this saying because I know contractors I know if you're a seaw wall contractor a pool contractor SE contractors are waiting anxiously for this this thing corre is what I'm hearing um so if it's hurt on April 1st I was just going to discuss this with
with Jen um we had it to go into effect the last time we wrote it the first day of the following month so that would be um May 1st okay just to give people time to get ready uh but we could make it
effective immediately but that gives people no time to prepare plans for it okay so we were trying to give them some leeway and some heads up that is coming also every person that we meet with and the permits that we review we make sure that they have a note in there that this thing is
pending and so they may choose to choose yes no you know but try to give people a heads up make sure they're aware that this is pending yeah I would encourage them to go ahead with their plans if they want to get going at this point but
uh I think it will be a situation where the prohibition of imported fill into Treasure Island does go away in one form or another and uh let's put this way like I've always said and like uh people at this board are going to be building
new houses if I could have done it 20 uh eight years ago I would have raised my house two foot higher than it currently is and I just want this board to understand there is a lot of fixes to the code in this terrain package so
we're hoping that you know some of these things resolve some of the the um for instance right now there's a pro you have to to build on pilings that would go away in the Elevate program with the whole updates to the flood plane ordinance so there's things in the
building and flood plane Ordnance that go along with this um ability to use Phill that uh would benefit some people so it's more than it's as you know the people who have been on the board and have reviewed this for over a
year this is an entire stormwater program and a and an update to the flood plane regulations which ripples through six other chapters of the code thank you very much Catherine that's all I have okay our next uh LPA
meeting if we have one is March 13th 2025 uh you think we'll have one Katherine LPA P LPA on the 13th that's our usual schedule one I don't think we need to have a separate meeting because
now most of the things we're we don't have any ordinances that I have queued up right now okay so to my knowledge no um well I was going to say next the next uh pnz is on the 20th of uh March and
we're always happy to just extend it on like we did today and have an LPA meeting I mean I think this board has indicated in the past a lot that uh Hey we'd rather have one meeting a month and having to come here twice not let me revoke that I probably am going to have
a sign ordinance for you in um on the 20th on the 20th sign ordinances are fine we can nobody can ever agree on them Mr Mr chairman I will not be president in the March 20th meeting due to up there in nnis Brook thank you sir
um I have a problem on the 20th too could the date we get a could we get another date the 20th well we'll see if we get a quorum or not right now if Jennifer Grant Marvin Chris and I can make it you don't need to be here on the 20th you know I
mean that's just the way it is if we got a quorum we're going to meet okay not that we wouldn't appreciate your PR presence Gary but uh you know we all have lives beyond this and hey we got a standing Mr uh Sanchez has a standing
date up at Innisbrook okay I'm offish I won't be here on the 20th okay all right uh anything else this afternoon thank you very much for all your attention all I can say at this point is let's see what we can do to make this city a
better place cuz it this storm was not these two storms were not what what it was needed can I have a motion to adjourn motion we adjourn second thank you all in favor