##VIDEO ID:RnYhPfiWY60## e e e e e e e good evening and welcome to the regular commission meeting of February 4th 2025 I'd like to call this meeting to order now if we could please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all they moved him again they moved city clerk please call the role Commission to here commissioner kille here commissioner minning here vice mayor dicki here mayor doctor here all right uh approval of regular and workshop agendas do we have any changes none hear okay hearing none the next item yes if I could um what we were talking about earlier this evening okay with um the city manager and the City attorney report okay would it be ible to include that not in the works the work do it early yes okay absolutely we can do that all right no proclamations recognitions or certificates all right moving on for uh public comments for non-agenda items and and our first uh speaker Beth Wetzel it's good to see you down here yeah thank you good to see you all too good after or good evening mayor and Commissioners um I have a couple things first I want to talk about the exciting news of the golf beaches public library that is having its grand reopening on the 10th Monday morning so they're going to have coffee and donuts and or cookies or some sort of snacks and those kind of things but I encourage people to go back to the library they have redone it it's beautiful um they are kind of ramping up some spaces for the future make it it it just it looks great if you haven't been there or if you haven't been there in a while um please go back and and support it and then the plan is to have another evening event as we've had in the past kind of a fundraiser and and um local um businesses to come and but that date's not set yet um so it's really exciting that it's open a lot of the community members have missed it and um they are going to be discussing too in the future um how they are going to add our recent um events of the Hurricanes into the Time Capsule because they were getting ready before all of that to kind of um do it up again so that that is something that will have a big impact um the second issue that I wanted to talk about is I wanted to thank the city staff I came down here to talk about permits and um the volunteers commissioner Dicky was very helpful um very knowledgeable in in getting answers to very specific questions that we had and everybody um for every how hard they're working and everything that they're going through um was they just couldn't have been more than helpful and more than Pleasant and I for anybody who's thinking of coming here in the future um I really want to say that the majority of the residents here are often on a a first name basis with many of the city staff or we recognize them by you know just by sight to to know them say hello we're on a very friendly basis it is a very friendly City and we really do appreciate that City staff so thank you all for your service thank you Ginger Gart I'm in Arden Dicky's uh district and I'd like to dovetail with that we really really there are thousands of us who appreciate our city staff tremendously and I'm especially grateful for our commissioners tonight Deborah Toth Diana krael former mayor and commissioner Bob minning and my commissioner ardan dicki thank you for being voices of reason but I'm here to be another bellweather tonight because I worry about a few Among Us that might be deceiving others into thinking that they're on the side of us residents when in fact they might be on the side of massive commercial Enterprises on our city property including our Treasure Bay which could bring noise congestion and pollution into family neighborhoods virtue signaling could make the residents think that the city staff is the enemy and that we need to get staff out of the way an ulterior motive could be to gain power and control over the entire Island to transform our home to suit themselves for profit we have a wonderful City staff devoted to our community and we have great residents who love their homes and want to maintain what they have without fear of losing out as residents we need to do everything we can to support our city staff they are on our side every step of the way please do not be fooled by deceptive manipulation thank you for your Indulgence thank [Applause] you Susan peins pin Perkins Perkins I'm sorry okay I found out my answer yeah I don't have to ask okay thank you Rick Matthews Rick Matthew District three um just a couple things first on two separate occasions the commission tasks the city manager with uh a proposal on Outsourcing Waste Management want to know where that is haven't heard anything what's that it's just it's not Q&A they're not going to answer you oh okay okay I'm one of the deceptive people you just talked about oh are you yeah I am um and before we commit to a safe public safety building what was the actual cost of repairing the fire station if we even looked at that it's a block building what's what's a proposal that stood there for 50 years it's not condemned because they're still using it to park vehicles in to me a condemn structure you can't go in it so what was a proposal before we spend $6 million and to date I have not seen the actual cost of this building we asked Tyler asked Tyler asked Tyler we kept getting well it's it's on budget what was the actual cost and that should be public record we're spending the money that should be out there and what's the ongoing cost cuz I see the windows being replaced what is the way forward for 50% of this building not being utilized before we spend money some other place let's fix this one and why isn't that being used for if we're talking administrative offices third floor we got three floor or two floors that are completely unoccupied not to sit close and that is it thank you thank you Rick Kim cavello I'm good I got my answer thank you all right thank you so we will now move on uh we're going to uh have our uh reports and uh we're going to start off with the city manager report followed up by the City attorney or did you guys want to do it the other way either way ladies first okay okay um I have a brief report and I just wanted to uh bringing something to your attention um it's regarding the renourishment issue so as you're well aware in our Charter there are limitations on um disposing of public lands that are contiguous to water access that includes right of ways access easements um they can't be given away absent three or I'm sorry four fifths of the commission vote and then a voted electorate we have two um we have one property on Sunset and we have a couple of properties on sunsh that are city right of ways and they actually own out into the beach area the core is going to want a permanent easement over those um which means effectively any time for those purposes they can come and utilize that property and so it's a giving away of certain um certain bundle of rights with regard to property so in anticipation of that and to ensure that we're not going to slow down re nourishment in any way I'd like to bring you an ordinance that will be for your consideration and then for a vote of the people that would make an exception to that area in the charter but only for Beach renourishment easements issued to either the county or the core so that way you could ensure that we're ready to go um on Sunset there are no as far as I know there are no private easements being requested because of the ecl being established on Sunshine there will be and so um the other piece to this will be understanding when those re nourishment activities are going to occur at this point we don't have set dates from the county or the core as you would expect because the ecl hasn't been adopted yet and all of that um but I anticipate that's going to be coming in the next few months and the ordinance we'll need to identify what election we would be having this at and um I just wanted to kind of bring this to your attention we're going to get together some more information but there may be a desire to have a special election which would have costs associated with it and we'll bring those obviously back to you for consideration um just so that we could ensure that we're not going to slow it down once the core and the state and the county finally say they'll put sand on our beaches so um we're just trying to make sure we have everything lined up and so there can be no questions with regard to that so I wanted to let you know that that will be coming forward and when it does um obviously it affects the entire city but we will need the assistance of a course um District Two District Four and the mayor and getting this word out and um we can't Advocate but we can educate with regard to ballot initiatives and so we could we we'll need that assistance as well as the city putting out educational information so I just wanted to let you know that's on the horizon in case you weren't aware great yes Bob a question is that the um Missing Link so to speak in other words you mentioned the core and of them State and all those so for Sunset I think the The Missing Link is um getting that ecl um adopted um the legislature is looking at that that's not something that the city is doing but that the um state is taking the initiative on and then this issue as to one property um where they need the the easement to put the sand a little further up and city property not private property um for Sunshine there will need to be both City easements and private property easements I don't have the extent of those at this time they've not shared them um but I do have the easement language and I anticipate that they'll be sharing the extent of those and then we can talk to those individual owners um okay again my question is if those come together does the coure say okay your guys are good I know you don't have a crystal ball I was gonna say uh I don't have a crystal ball on the core but there's I'm not aware of any other hurdles other than the core just taking the action then um the uh renourishment activities have been approved in Prior authorizations by the core so there would be nothing standing in their way um and that's what I understand not only uh from the county who is heading up the renourishment activities as they do for all of the beaches so I mean um mayor I believe you attend the Big C have you heard anything additional from the county with regard to any hurdles on the re additional hurdles but uh they did address it um and Kelly was there yeah um and so uh yeah we're going to need to get them because as of as it stands right now um the policy will not change unless it is changed once uh president Trump puts in all of his uh appointments yeah I got I got the sense I attended that meeting as well and also was on a conference call with uh Congressman Luna and I got the impression that the beach re nourishment was was was approaching fairly closely from both those meetings correct uh if we have to go through a special election uh to uh get this easement issue resolved that that concerns me that that could hold up the whole Beach renourishment project so at this time I've asked for time frames to ensure that because obviously the the most cost effective for the city would be to have it at your next regular election in March but if there's any chance that they're going to do it before March 2026 then um I be recommending that we have that special election prior to that I think we we might have to start talking about doing that because again all the all the information I've gotten up to this point is that we would see Beach renourishment very likely this year uh at the at the worst of next year so I don't think we'll be able to wait till March yep 2026 yep and we'll be working with um I'm going to work with Tia and the supervisor of elections to find out when those dates are what the ble language deadline would be what the cost are associated and we'll bring all of that back because the ordinance will have to identify the date that the election is going to occur and what that language will be right but I just wanted you to know that's coming and not spring it on you in a meeting in a couple months you know or a month or so C manager please thank you mayor Commissioners um so what I received from Public Works was they wanted to ask that we pass on a thank you to St Pete Beach who assisted with cleaning and sweeping sand off the Lots down in Sunset Beach in particular Lots two two and a half and three they also asked me to pass on that beat the beach Trail wall is actively being repaired and the next step to bring the beach back to normal is to reestablish establish and repair the electricity conduits for the beach Trail Turtle lighting over in Treasure Island Park the rehabilitation that's going on include soil samples that have been taken in accordance with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection we don't have any results at this time but we do have those submitted we've also begun a racking and tilling process that should take two to three weeks to take care of the additional small siiz debris we're using specialized equipment and then we'll be looking to repair the irrigation and Seed over in fire rescue reported they had 24 calls this week 15 calls were on Treasure Island and one was a water rescue Chief bars and Mercedes recently participated in the Martin Luther King Day parade and they actually drove in our antique fire truck the annual fire department chili cookoff is February 21st I think it's from 6:00 to 8 on the fifth floor of City Hall and if the community is interested basic Lifesaver and heart sa heartsaver CPR classes are ongoing weekly and if you'd like to register please contact the fire administration at 547 4590 over in the police department the step program which is selected traffic enforcement resulted in 24 traffic citations and 36 written warnings during this last week's reporting period areas of concentration included Treasure Island Causeway St James bridge and several spots in Gulf Boulevard Park and wreck asked me to pass on to remind folks that the back to the beach sand and Kites and Coastal Delights event will be on March 8th and 9th from 10: to 6: on the public beach in front of Gul Front Park the city received Elite funding from visit St Pete Clearwater to assist with this event stomping foots here the summer camp online registration will begin March 3rd for interested parents and children Ros the bottle brush trees in roselli park by the playground that big tree was removed at the end of January due to rotten storm damage and and park and Rick is working with the community over there to determine what to replace it with while continuing to obtain quotes for Treasure Bay the tennis court fence damage we're happy to report we did get a third quote this week that means we'll be bringing the commission an authorization to repair the tennis courts at a subsequent meeting the mobility mat has been installed on the Gul Beach behind Gulf Front Park and Treasure Bay tennis courts 5 and six nine and 10 and the basketball court have been opened on a limited basis for tennis clinics and programming tennis play and pickle ball organized play and free play are all available in Community Development asked me to pass on in a followup to the storm several business owners have approached the city and would like to set up events while their buildings are being repaired these involve items such as food trucks which are already allowed tents restroom trailers and storage containers in order to utilize their parking lots to provide Revenue the city's code for special events currently limits special events to 9 days in duration in a followup to the storms staff is going to recommend that we include a new provision in the special events code that would be time limited and allow the staff Andor commission as already outlined to approve events for up to six months with up to two three months extensions added to that six months and this would go on through the end of September 2026 for businesses that are interested in applying in order to get this approved in time for the the 2025 spring tourist season we're proposing taking this ordinance to the LPA on February 20th to the city commission for first reading at a special meeting on February 25th and a public hearing on March 4th I'd like to give a large congratulations and kudos to the Community Development Department and the staff help we have from the state and from Jacobs last week we were closed to the public on Tuesday and Thursday in order to work on the backlog of permits and the public was very accommodating with our request in case you haven't heard the backlog went from 320 permits in review down to 65 with that the team was able to issue 239 permits that week the largest number of permits issued on a weekly basis by our staff a couple of weeks ago commissioner Dicky forwarded me a news article about a municipality that had just undertaken waving permit fees staff from finance and Community Development started researching this and found potential reimbursement options that might be available if we undertook the same waving of fees we needed to do this because the building fund is the fund that pays for Community Development to operate and it's considered a special Revenue fund as established in state statute on tonight's agenda is a recommendation to expand the reimbursement of the fees that we currently wave the five that are listed and expand that reimbursement to all permit and plan examination fees associated with the repair or demolition of storm damage residential and Commercial properties commissioner yunan will be speaking to that later from Administration since Selen Kidwell resigned we have been advertised to fill the city clerk position and have been relying on TIA to fill that Gap we do have some potential candidates and as by the charter this is a city commission employee and as such we are setting up interviews for the Commissioners individually with the candidates in a round robin style where each commissioner will have time to interview the candidates HR will be contacting you to schedule these over the coming weeks and after the interviews are conducted with the commission would we can take that to the next meeting so a discussion can ensue and potentially we can make a decision on hiring a city clerk finally the city was recently notified that pelis County was awarded more than 8813 million in Community Development block grant Disaster Recovery funds to support long-term recovery efforts following hurricanes Helen and Milt I reached out to the city or excuse me to the county contact and learned that the county will be announcing opportunities for public input to develop a county action plan with a specific Focus around housing infrastructure and economic development I scheduled a meeting later this week with the county representative to better understand what opportunities the city and the community should or could pursue and I will keep the commission appraised with what transpires from there that's all thank you thank you very very much commissioner to all righty thank you thank you for attending tonight um a couple things I want to Echo and dovetail on former commissioner wetzel's comments about the library the library is reopening on Monday and also want to remind everybody at the library we also offer notary services so if you need something after hours after the banks are closed um the library can notorized um your documents for you just bring your ID like you would at any place else and um looking forward to seeing the library back working and functional and serving our community also the library schedule will be posted on the website and I'm going to also work with um Jason to get it posted on our City website with a link so you can find out what's going on at the library um also um in regard to the rosali park trees there's um also another bottle brush that we lost to during the storm the one up by the concession stand so I'm looking forward to working with the civic association and our city to replace those trees and lastly I would really like to thank our staff on their overdrive to get the permits out it's really important to get us all back to our homes and look forward to getting our community back together and look forward to seeing you on the beach for the Kite Festival thank you thank you commissioner krael thank you I just want to go kudos to uh the building department for the great stride that they made last week with the permits I hope that continues I know that's making a lot of people much happier and taking a lot of stress off of them I just want to encourage that we are covering that once we get these permits out that we have Staffing to get the inspections done because I don't want that to become a bottleneck for us um and kudos for the library getting back open and I encourage this this commission to follow suit with waving the storm damage fees um for for um all the permits and stuff that's on the agenda for later tonight I have been getting several emails about that and I went out there and said I fully support it we have people that have had mortgage payments rent payments HOA fees and we just can't put an additional financial burden on them so I'm already endorsing that we go that direction and make it immediate not wait for a while Thursday morning when we open to public or even tomorrow morning if we can do it that fast we need to get that going to eliminate those um fees that are allowed to it's my understanding we cannot eliminate if you pay by credit card we cannot eliminate the credit card fees or the state fees so but I'm encourage for anything that the city would have any ADV Revenue out of that we take that back and give it to our public thank you thanks Bob Benning okay um did know what commissioner to and Grable just said I won't reiterate with the fear of repeating but uh again many many thanks to staff everybody uh for all their hard work and moving forward and I hope you can appreciate the progress that has been made uh in getting permits out so again many many thanks to everybody that's all I have thank you commissioner minning commissioner dicki well keep uh keep the Kudos going here a little bit last week was an except an exceptional week and I do know we were closed on Tuesdays and Thursdays but uh but the results that the staff got during that week were were pretty tremendous if we adjust for the voided 106 voided permits that we've had since uh since since shortly after the hurricanes and since we started tracking uh We've issued 70% of the permit applications have either been issued or approved meaning they're ready to be uh issued just by wait waiting for payment so 70% I don't think you'll ever be at 100% because you got new permits coming in all the time but 70% uh is is is pretty darn good but I will tell you the 500 people who are who are in the bucket of waiting you know or us needing more information they're not uh they're not as impressed with the 70% as I am and when they were in today they were they were uh pretty clear about uh about how anxious they are to get their permits too so we can't can't uh let let up on this or or or slow down uh but we need to keep the pace going as as you've heard from some of the other Commissioners and the only other thing I had and to tag along with something uh the city manager talked about was the article that came out the Tampa Bay Business Journal talking about the uh County getting $813 million for Hurricane recovery and the state getting 925 million and about uh two weeks ago we got the mayor and Commissioners got a letter from uh one of the residents and he had a couple of good suggestions in that regarding that money and I'd like to uh present those uh right now uh this uh particular resident suggested that hey we need to mobilize and immediately do so whatever is necessary to obtain our share of that 83 million the county has and the 925 million and I'm glad to see uh the city manager already moving forward on that but uh this resident suggested something else and I think this is particularly U meaningful given the short staff uh issues that we have at City Hall right now and uh the resident suggest that we put together a team consisting of a commissioner City staff and some residents to help ensure that we do everything possible to get our fair share of that money and uh I thought that was an excellent idea and uh if if uh the other Commissioners aren't interested in being that or or uh uh being that uh representative on that task force or committee I'd certainly like to uh accept that role if uh if if the rest of the commission is supportive of that so that's all I have all right thank you um couple of things um I'll tell you what I don't know about you but uh when you're around town the last few weeks uh it seems as though we're becoming a much more happy place than we were months ago and I think that is because of our staff and the staff did get all the permits out 200 and some permits and everybody is is really looking forward to uh being back in their homes as quickly as possible I also attended uh two uh of the uh the islands their associations the the Civic associations uh Isle of Capri and Isle of Palms for a pizza party and uh and once again uh this has been the last few weeks and uh Smiles everywhere so glad to see that happening and uh even the chili dinner is going to be taking place on the 21st which brings some normaly to what we're doing here and our parks are starting to open again and by that I mean the beach and we're having a lot of activity over on the beach as well um the permitting fees I think everybody's talked about them I think that uh that we knew that was uh it was time to to do something um but one of the things that we were waiting for was the uh Financial results of the first quarter and uh we're going to have a presentation tonight in the workshop that which is going to basically give us uh a look at where we are and where we're going so appreciate that um want to bring in just uh one additional thing and that is um uh there was a letter that I had written uh to the president of the United States and a lot of you probably did see Trump when he was in North Carolina and in California and he basically said that he was going to wave all regulations and all of the bureaucracy and so what I did is uh I I sent out a letter that uh that Saturday that basically said Mr President uh what you have done has been been fantastic and that uh we would uh respectfully uh ask that you do the same for the State of Florida with the two hurricanes that came through uh We've not heard back from him yet but uh we're not giving up either we we hope that uh that he will uh he and his staff will respond um with that being said there is a The Big C The Big C is the mayor's uh meeting for the coastal properties and uh we had a call today a zoom call today and we wanted they wanted to take a look at the president of the the big SE at what we could do is is there anything else that we can do at a federal level or a state level and uh took about an hourong meeting and we are going to see out of that uh some a couple of letters one that's going to go federally to the president and one to the state um is that uh you know we're going to have that going up to the uh the governor's office and uh and we're hoping that uh that we're um we're going to get some response uh especially you know we were pretty much right at Ground Zero for the uh the water for from Helen and the winds from Milton so uh with that being said I am done as well and uh we're going to move on to our consent agenda so the we have one item tonight on the consent agenda um I'm going to read this I don't know if they that we read them all the time but I am just so people understand what we're doing approval of expenses to USA voltage LLC for repair of the Treasure Island Island Central Beach Trail Turtle lighting and electrical wires drivers in a total amount of $237,600 so do I have a motion I move that the city commission approve the expenditure for repair of the Treasure Island Central Beach Trail Turtle lighting and electrical wires drivers in the total amount of $237,000 second okay we have a motion as second uh do we have any public comment hearing none we'll close the public comment and yes commissioner uh is that 237 reimbursable from FEMA yes we're including that in a reimbursement to FEMA okay thank you you okay anyone else no I was going to ask the same question thank you okay please call roll vice mayor dicki I commissioner Toth hi commissioner kille hi commissioner minning I mayor doctor I all right so moving on we're going to move into our items of business the first one resolution 2025-the appoint and fill vacancies on the code enforcement board and the Planning and Zoning Board would you like to begin with the code enforc board yes please so for the code enforcement board we have one vacancy due to resignation because they moved off the island unfortunately we received one application from Mitchell shinkman I don't know if you want to bring him up or yeah Mitchell would I know you'd like to say something if you know Mitchell I so uh I'm not sure what you want me to say but I'm going to just tell you that uh I've been involved with the city for 27 years uh I've been on the pnz and LPA for nine years I've chaed the uh Vision Committee in 2010 and 2015 I think we should have another one soon uh let's see what else I do I do the pancake breakfast with the Rotary Club I do Boba fest with with uh the city I uh I'm involved with big brothers and big sisters and we do a uh a tennis uh Clinic every year and hopefully we'll be able to do that again this year so that's it I mean I do a lot of other things but that's it that's it for now thank you and we appreciate you uh signing up for this appointment well [Laughter] my wife wanted my wife wanted me to get involved with the city again so here I am and thank you very much for doing so get you out of the house we not in the house and for the Planning and Zoning Board we have two vacancies one for district 2 and one for an at large seat we received two applications for these positions Jennifer I'm sorry I'm going to mess up your last name buer she resides in District 2 and Christopher Downey who resides in District 2 as well Mr Downing currently serves as an alternate member to planning zoning board but he's looking to have a full seat okay um Chris would you come up and share with us uh what you've been doing on the uh how many years and so forth sure um even everyone Chris Downing uh I'm also here serving the city because my wife asked me to about three years ago I think she got she got me involved um so I've been serving on the planning and zoning and the LPA for the last three years as an alternate member uh I've been very active uh we haven't had to have too many controversial things come before our board but um it's been a good experience to learn how this city works and where we've had to make some decisions to help folks that had a hardship in certain cases uh we were certainly able to do so um and the same goes for what we did what we've done on the LPA I think really the planning the LPA board could be a lot more active in the future I think over the last several years we we've taken a bit of a passive approach um with the city providing information to us and us us looking at it I think one of the things that I would want to do going forward as a regular member is to be have our LPA board be more active in bringing issues to the city and to the staff that could be implemented I think we're going to have a lot of challenges going forward and opportunities with all the rebuilding that's going to go on over the next many years especially in our Central business district that's going to there's going to be some zoning challenges there but if we handle them right and handle the planning right I think we'll come out of it way ahead from where we are today and make Treasure Island what it really can be um so I appreciate the that I've had the opportunity to serve as for the last three years I really appreciate your support to put me in as a full member for district TR to represent uh District 2 for the next several years I would I would definitely like to do so and as a professional engineer bring a bring a steady and uh thoughtful hand to that board to both of these boards thank you thank you Chris Tia uh are both of these the same amount of time both positions so one is longer than the other which that is correct so for Planning and Zoning for district 2 is until 2026 for the at large is until 2025 which will be until August of this year okay sure so I would uh I would say that uh Chris since you're already on the board you would serve the the longest of the terms and that would be the at large that would be District Two District Two okay and then Jen will be uh at large that's correct okay great so Jen please oh well unless you decide otherwise because I would prefer to have a longer tenure um and you will see the reasons the reasons why I would like to have a longer tenure because only doing this for a few months is not going to allow me to provide the passion and um and the help that I think I could bring in my expertise to the town of Treasure Island who get it done I'm sorry I don't know why my computer deserves a fast and reliable connection what do I they value mosts and familyeducation now we're not working I'm no that's coming out of my computer I'm sorry no that one's not working okay so right here yes okay all right so if you would allow me um again I would much prefer to be on a longer tenure and I would appreciate your consideration after hearing me out so thank you very much um as you can see my name is Jennifer bomir um and good evening commission thank you for allowing me this opportunity this evening I'm here to introduce myself and express my strong can you hear me and express my strong desire to um um serve as a member of Treasure Island zoning and planning board I purchased my property in the aisle of Palms in 207 2017 Treasure Island is at a crossroads right now Treasure Islands is at a crossroads right now hurricane Helen has left Treasure Island at Ground Zero presenting us with a unique opportunity to rebuild with intention as we recover and move forward we must ensure that future development enhances our community's charm rather than detracting from it in my view sorry in my view Treasure Island must develop a cohesive character aesthetic one that is DET determined by the residents in a democratic matter when I say Democratic matter I mean in the philosophical sense not in the um political sense so it would be What the residents want rather than what is dictated by Vel opers I firmly believe that we do not want Treasure Island to become another St Pete Beach with strip mall after strip mall that's unsightly along Gulf Boulevard instead what we can do and what I have done is set ourselves apart by becoming a better Vision a a better place maybe something like pag grill or denan or whatever best represents the vision of our community by ourselves and our residents here so um by proactively shaping our City's identity Treasure Island can become the destination for both residents locals and visitors alike and I'm just going to read this so my vision for Treasure Island in a summary is to create persevere and preserve and enhance the city's character and natural beauty to establish aesthetic standards be proactive and maintain a cohesive and attractive look with a long um look at planning a a 2-year plan a three-year plan a 5year plan a 10year plan um Pro and help for us to help write it that's what we're here for that's what I'm volunteering to do I could help write grants Etc promote responsible development that balances economic growth growth and sustainability ensure that residents voices Drive the city's vision and not external forces so what is my experience well before making Treasure Island my forever home I lived in Smithfield Rhode Island a historic town know as Apple Valley and that was due to the many many apple orchards that had been there Smithfield was settled in the year of 1663 and was incorporated in 1731 however its Colonial character was not well preserved or Rec um well preserved by the town or the state I became in involved in town governance when I saw how easily historic and aesthetic Integrity could be lost my Civic engagement began when our privately Run library planed to demolish a historic Stonehouse on their property to just expand their parking lot unfortunately because the building was privately owned and not on the official preservation list we were unable to prevent its demolition however this experience reinforced My Philosophy my strong strong philosophy that you don't just complain you get your butt out there and you work and you do because complainers complain all the time but what makes a difference between those and doers is getting things done uh my Civic engagement oh sorry got there so from there um I took action by serving on the Conservation Commission my first foray into town government where I work to protect and enhance Smithfield's natural and historic assets I was elected to the Town Council and I'm going to go ahead here I was elected to the Town Council it was a city of over 20,000 residents where I was elected and I was able to influence budgetary and policy decisions ensuring fiscal responsibility and smart growth I served on the planning board in the zoning board for many years where I helped shave policies that balance preservation with responsible development some of the accomplishments that demonstrate my commitment and Effectiveness are that I created a adop the spot program and that was inspired by the adopta highway model which I'm sure you guys have all seen when you've been driving down the interstates and I spearheaded the program that allowed businesses and organizations to maintain and beautify green spaces throughout our town and the initiative was so successful that it was replicated an uh nationally so that was in the 90s which may make you realize how old I actually am um I ensured smart responsible development when Walmart planned to build a super center in Smithfield I worked to ensure that it did not encroach on our Town's rural character I successfully negotiated a 200ft wooded buffer Z Zone around the entire parking lot and um and building um and with that it preserved the Integrity of the community wall allowing for the economic growth that allowed us to bring in more tax dollars I implemented stronger Landscaping requirements prior to my efforts developers often spent little to nothing on Landscaping as you all know when they get to the an end of any Ved eventually you're building a house what goes last your your Landscaping what you could do well I made sure sure that everything was in ordinances and those ordinances were Rock Solid um so we had high quality um invest in high quality planting sustainable plantings um The Replacements were required that enhanced the aesthetic appeal of their properties and would also increase property values not only of their property but of the residents properties I maintained fiscal responsibility uh I know I'm not running for commission here I've done my P tenants with that um half the people love you half the people hate you I took the town's um the town's issues to heart um because that's just my personality and I ended up with TMJ and stomach problems and I said once is enough but not for this this is I have a vested interest in Treasure Island um so I maintained fiscal responsibility and during my tenure on the Town Council we did not have a tax increase for those three years and maintained budget surplus and I cannot say that about subsequent administrations this was achieved through careful planning and prioritization of community needs so why do I want to serve Treasure Island well Treasure Island we don't need expensive Consultants we set the vision new construction and Renovations should and I'm not talking about Renovations of anybody's home please understand that everybody should be grandfathered in and do what you need to do I feel for everyone and myself completely but for future High aesthetic and environmental standards and we can preserve our charm while embracing smart and sustainable growth I often joke well I talk about Treasure Island being my forever home which it is and I often joke that I am going to be in my house until I go to the cemetery in this meeting I have a personal stake in this community's future and a deep vested in interest in seeing our community flourish I'm passionate about being part of this once in a generation opportunity I don't want a three- months stent I want to be here for a couple of years and be able to make a difference a true difference and not just sit back on my haunches but really make this a priority in my life for myself and the residents here um we don't I talked about this before we don't need uh expensive Consultants to tell us what our city should look like that's that's going to be my job that's going to be our job that is our job by studying successful models from other cities and tailoring them to our unique character we can make Treasure Island a gold standard for thoughtful Coastal development and most most importantly I know from experience my own experience in city government that we don't have to let developers dictate what happens within our community we set the stand standards the residents set the standards and we must follow What the residents desire if appointed my guiding principles would be resident focused decisionmaking I will always prioritize the interests and my desires of the treasur Treasure Island residents and those who pay taxes here that is going to be my North Star okay I don't don't mean to cut you off but we've got uh quite a bit of two paragraphs meeting tonight paragraphs left okay through research and thoughtful deliberation I will not make hasty decisions I will always consider all ramifications I won't push people off when they come and speak to my committee committee and if I am able to answer or you have the ability to answer I think that should be done through research oh he said so a proactive and reactive approach is what I will plan planning ahead is key to ensuring development that aligns with our long-term Vision so this is our moment to define the future of Treasure Island not just for today but for the generations to come I'm eager to help guide this process with my passion collaborative spirit and proven ability to get things done I respectfully ask for your support as appointing me as a full member of the Planning and Zoning Board my husband is in full support of R doing this but it's something that I personally want to do so thank you for your time I apologize for going over but I think it's important to know especially when you're looking at two candidates um what each can provide for you and the residents thank you thank you okay so what we're going to need to do is uh make a decision on uh a vote on a decision on who is going to be for district 2 and who's going to be at large correct and just very quickly I wanted to let you know that in the resolution um it the terms are backwards so if you're looking at that in reference um to when they expire just to reiterate what Tia had said the atlarge is going to expire in 25 whereas District 2 goes until 26 so that correction will be made in the resolution okay when the at large position expires that person can reapply for an extension or not extension but for the next full term correct they can reapply and the partial term does not count towards their two fullterm limitation great thank you for that clarification and both of these are permanent positions slots yes they're not I mean I know the ones fulfilling a term but where like Chris used to be an well where we had two alternates on pnz and LPA both of these would be per spots for the decision tonight correct and I believe you still would then have a vacancy for the alternate position on um pnz and LPA okay assuming that Mr Downing has appointed to one of these to okay so uh we're just going to go and say U Who's Who and that'll uh let us know so um I'll be the first one to start um and uh I I I'll tell you I um I'm serving as the mayor for four months and have to run a reelection so I understand the short but um I I would vote to give Chris the uh the longer term since he's already been sitting as the alternate on the committee um Ard I I would agree with that and Jennifer your your uh your credentials are very impressive and and your background's impressive I'm glad you're willing to do this and there will be nothing to prevent you from applying and to have uh the two full terms that follow this short one so uh I support what mayor doctor said Thank you Bob I did I'll support your proposal concur concur okay so what we'll have is that Chris will be uh the district to and genu will be at large we have to make a mo um does that we have to make a motion oh yeah we have to make a motion to put the one at two and one at large right okay stop the resolution putting those in that order your question does that mean that once 2025 or August whatever the date is um then I can continue on within the board you'll have to be appointed yeah you would have to be appointed again but yes you would and you'd be able to do it for two full terms okay correct yeah thank you all right thanks okay okay please a motion I move to adopt resolution 2025-the enforcement board at large member Chris Downing as District Two member and Jennifer b as the um at large member that's is correct thank you for clarifying that second may we have a motion a second uh any public comment hearing none that close public com comment any commissioner I just think we have three great candidates we do I agree absolutely thank you so much for doing it so uh please call the role vice mayor dicki I commissioner Toth I commissioner krael I commissioner menning hi mayor doctor hi thank you okay moving on to H2 resolution 20252 good evening Commissioners uh we have a resolution um that is slated for discussion tonight but I thought before uh we see that resolution that we would like to have a discussion about other fee waivers um so with your permission we'll go through that okay so tonight's presentation we have um some the fees that were waved by other cities uh the building fund and a uh explanation of how this special Revenue fund functions uh our fees and how they're calculated the state of the building fund right now and a recommendation this is based on uh follow-up to uh Chuck's city manager report at the last meeting uh where we talked about fees so these are the fees that are in the resolution that's um on the table tonight these are the same fees that were waved early on um after the storms and have been extended through the end of January and then uh de facto till tonight to when that resolution is up for consideration uh those specifically are interior demolition fence installation tree removal roof repair and replacement and electrical for meter bases and power surges on appliances in looking at what other cities have done uh some other beach cities and pinel's County cities Panels County has waved storm recovery repair permits except for repairs related to outside amenities the city of St Pete Beach has all permits and plans EX examination fees associated with repair or demolition of storm damag residential and Commercial properties City of St Petersburg has Demolition and repair of properties damaged by Hurricane and Belair beach has all residential structures our building fund is what's considered a special Revenue fund that it means that the fees collected in this fund um the their use is restricted Ed by the state of Florida and these funds pay for salaries fringe benefits contracted Building Services and operating expenses directly related to building inspection permitting and building related activities so providing a waiver of the permit fees uh would result in utilization of the city's building fund Reserve uh quick explanation on permits I know we've had some conversations recently about the value of permits in the cost of permits so this is an example um I'm going to bring you an example but these is the base fees so the base fee for a permit is $53 and then any uh permit that is over a th000 and less than a million is a base fee of $53 plus $11 for each fraction thereof uh more expensive uh permits for over a million dollars then it's $8 per thousand for those permits um there are also other permit fees that are in there which are zoning and flood plane permit and review fees those range from like $25 for a resident typical residential permit to $65 for a commercial permit for zoning or flood plane review um there's also civil engineering fees or Public Works review depending on what type of project it is those are typically the last two are commercial projects cther or director y can you go back one slide just to the last two just the state CH the state search charge just so that's no I'm sorry the next one on the bottom there's d and e oh yes I'm sorry uh DN are State search charges and those are uh a percentage of the permit fees but no less than $2 there are two of those S charges um so when you see a fee wavered permit today you will still see a $4 charge on there this is in our fee ordinance and um um we are unable to determine a way to not have to pay those State surcharge fees no matter the value of the permit because it says a minimum of $2 so there are two $2 fees that are on every permit or more depending if it's a more expensive permit so this is an example of a permit say a permit cost um has a value of the work of $200,000 so you've got your $53 base fee you've got $11 per th000 fee you then would have a in a typical permit a zoning review and a flood plane review and a zoning permit and a flood plane permit um total above then adding on your state search charges and you would come up with a permit fee on a $200,000 project of $2,473 cents roughly a little less than 1.5% so under the Florida Statutes building fund fees can only be used for certain items they shall be used solely for carrying out the local government's responsibilities enforcing the Florida building code uh when Pro providing a schedule of reasonable fees the total estimated annual revenue derived from the fees and the fines and investment earnings related to those fees may not exceed the total estimated annual cost of allowable activities however there's another caveat that says a local government may not carry forward an amount exceeding the average of its operating budget for enforcing the Florida building code for the previous four years so we always talk about balancing The Bu building fund so what happens is typically um we'll go a year or two without adjusting the fees and then the will be adjusted uh last year we did approximately 5% uh we had slated in our budget that was adopted that we would probably be doing 5% for the next four years just to keep enough money in that fund uh just to give you an idea where we are year today um last fiscal year in 2024 CDD issued slightly over 1,400 permits right now in the first four months of fiscal year 2025 of which approximately a month we were not open the department has issued 1,43 permits so we are almost at a one-year permit level after four months so I'm GNA bring up Mike Howard to talk about the financial aspects of the building fund hi I'll just stay up here because I like to point so the B one Mike I'm not sure if you do that I don't think the speaker will you need to be on the speaker the audience will be able to pick you up try to be in Show Business right um so what you see up above up above is everything's in thousands and you see the trailing three years revenues 777 796 24 fell off to 642 next line is the spend line and then the third line is the Surplus cash or deficit um so 22 23 had a surplus last year 24 was a deficit now going into 25 uh for the first quarter revenues were a buck 60 expenditures 278 because there's a a lot of spending went on in order to get uh to handle the volume and then at uh the end of the first quarter we're a deficit of 118 cash in the bank at as of December 31st was 700,000 now fast forward at the burn rate that we're at if we don't refund anything we'll have a deficit of 470,000 so we take the 470 off the 7 that gives us 230 in the bank let's say we give full refund and that's just for the first quarter if we extended to April it will go up so if we redo a full refund cash at the end of the year is $70,000 makes sense not much room not much room so we have no idea what's what's coming in front of us as far as revenues or expenditures so I look at that as a bogey that that is a warning shot across the bow as it were but that being said uh we do have some options we're currently looking at a community loan through excuse me Mike yep could you please make sure that the commission can hear you oh yeah you speak in mic can hear me um so going forward we have um potential reimbursements uh through permitting cost for through FEMA 126 program I mentioned the community disaster loan which is a revenue um recovery type of loan but it is a loan but it acts like a line of credit so in other words we have a line of credit for $5 million out there we pay interest rates on T bonds which is 4 A5 is% to five and we only pay interest on whatever we draw out of it so it acts pretty pretty much like a line of credit or home equity loan that that type of thing the good news is uh on the on the QT I'm told is that if we run it out long enough they're going to wave it anyway so we have that to look forward to um then we can either if we if we do run short we can if we have the capacity we can move some cash from the general into into the into that fund uh or and I've seen this in other lives the general fund could actually write a note zero interest note to the building fund for x and then the building fund just pays it back over some period of time and then of course there's uh we the last thing I think we want to do is raise the fees up to the level that future Generations are paying for this for this refund so we want to re we really want to hold the line on um on the fees themselves once everything is recovered but uh one thing I will say editorially from a budget standpoint there's been very little by way of contingency put into the budget and I would have to say that on a go forward basis we've got to take a really close look at that because I don't want to go around you know pulling the cushions up looking for Cor ERS you know to fund the building fund or any other fund for the city well we do believe that it's reimbursable right potentially yes okay potentially through the FEMA 126 program and even if it isn't I I would still make the same recommendation that we're going to make because it's only fair no I'm I'm I I'm not disagreeing I'm just my job is to tell you what the financial implications are that's my job and just to clarify that 1206 reimbursement is for actual permitting cost it pays for things like um the contracted services that we have and expenses but it doesn't pay back the permit fees just to be clear okay all right the other thing too is the timing of the thing because we're burning cash now and you know who knows with FEMA you get entire pipeline how that works in order before we get the cash actually in the bank great so couple more slides oh um what would be involved well um it's it's not a Walmart you can't walk up and just get a instant re refund uh because the apparatus isn't built that way okay so we've started uh because we have got to go through uh transaction action by transaction we've got an interface uh we've got a platform called intergov which is what's used to collect the credit card fees that type of thing and then it's got to interface with our accounting platform because I don't want the city to get hung up in audit next year if we don't handle the numbers right because we are we're a government entity and and we're under gasby and we've got to keep we've got to keep everything straight so I don't have a timeline we've already began discussions with the software people to find out you know what kind of Hoops we need to jump through to get everything working and as soon as I know that and we get a plan together I'll issue a memo I'll I'll tell you straight away as soon as I know you'll know great but right now I don't so Mike if if I can capture what you're saying here entero the system that we're using for to collect the money for the privates we need a piece of software to enhance what we have currently in order to do rebates is that correct or right we've we've we we've got to do some coding for everything to talk to each other and to be able to uh on a timely basis execute the rebs right and we have to make sure that that corresponds over to the accounting side under Finance correct right right right thank you so tonight um I think the discussion would be to establish uh if you want to wave additional fees and what those fees are um the city manager has suggested that the scope be all permit and plan examination fees associated with repair or demolition of storm damag residential and Commercial properties um the second question would be to establish a date uh regarding the end of the waiver period as one of the reasons for fee waivers is to incentivize permitting and get people to get permits um would suggest that this new fee waiver um in on May 31st 2025 there's always an option to extend that fee waiver but that would give us some type of incentive to get people in for permitting um and then to establish whether this is a waiver going forward or retroactive or no waiver or whatever path you want to take um as we noted that retroactive would take time and effort and we would expect that those fee refunds would not be immediate would take several months to get this software up and running and to get additional Personnel in here to to manage this rebate system um and suggest that if fees are to be waved that we would stop collecting those fees like immediately so we don't have more to rebate um so that's basically the city manager's uh suggestions there on the guidance that's needed from the commission okay does anybody have any questions for staff I all the recommendations the city manager has on there I would uh agree with uh the only question I have and I think I know the answer to it is the February 18th when you said immediately could we start if we voted on on on accepting those recommendations from the city manager could we start that tomorrow tomorrow or or do we have to go through a second public hearing on this and resolution I mean normally what you would do is you would have a a resolution because I believe you're um in your code with regard to your fee schedule it says that in extraordinary circumstances the commission can wave that by resolution so you're held to that okay um so it would it would need we would need time that's why I think he put February 18th so that a resolution could be brought back before the commission okay at this time I mean you could certainly give that direction and if you're going to make it retroactive um yes you know th those individuals are that apply between now and then are going to get their money back okay and and I do understand that the the complexity in reimbursing every everyone but your recommendations and I think uh uh certainly I agree with you and I'm sure the rest of the Commissioners will too uh agree with making it retroactive to September 27th so that everybody who has paid for permit fees up to this point including myself will get uh we'll get their uh uh refund eventually and and I realize that's not imminent the check is in the mail okay will be in the mail okay okay any other questions for staff okay so what's needed this evening so first the first thing that was needed was the direction that you just provided so I think everyone's clear on what that resolution will look like coming back the next thing is is because last time you by motion extended an existing resolution we want to go ahead and ratify that and I would think that you would want to go ahead and extend that to continue to wave those fees because otherwise that would end today the ones that are already being waved so the resolution before you 25 or 20252 continues that through till I think they put February 28th but obviously when we're bringing this back to you on the 18th we'll just do one all inclusive one okay okay that works sure okay uh do we have any public comment uh let me first to see if these two uh Barb do you uh want to have anything to say looks like it's been taken care of okay and Mitchell yeah Mayors Commissioners City staff I just want to mention that um I want to thank staff uh I've received my permit uh right after Christmas and hopefully uh my wife and I will be back in the house by March 1st but uh what happened to me with my permit was that I was charged 95800 for my permit and neighbor who had his contractor submit more cost than my Contra submitted he was charged $67 I'm very confused with that I don't understand why mine was 950 plus and his was 67 um so I appreciate you guys voting to get me back my money I'd like to get my furniture in the house I'd like to get my tiles done I'd like to get my everything done okay I'd like to get my wife back in the house before she kills me thank you thank you Mitchell Chris did you have something uh just real quick I I I would make one suggestion that in doing the retroactive on these permits I certainly should should be done for fairness to go all the way back to the when the storm occurred U but we should not pay for any recoding of software I really think that given the limited number you know we're talking I know we're not talking we're talking about hundreds of permits here but I don't think we have to redo the software to do that I think we can do this by hand if it has to be done on a spreadsheet I mean uh we could have each of the residents invoice the city for their instead of getting a rebate to get that those funds back so that there would be an accounting of it if that was an outof the boox way to do it I'm sure there's an outof thebox way the simple way we can do this without expending more funds thanks thank you anyone else Sarah hi yeah I wanted to Echo exactly what Chris just said my first thought on this presentation was how much is the software because the beginning of the presentation was about how we're losing money out of this fund and I was thinking is there another way to do this without buying a software I don't know how much it is but generally those things can be expensive so maybe you could write checks or find a simpler way to do it I imagine there's been at some point in Treasure Island's history a refund of a permit fee before if someone was overcharged or wrongly charged so you could use that same process that you've ever used in the past I know it's a lot of people but I feel like it can be done and we can save save money thanks thank you anyone else West West Evans IOP pal sorry I chased a raccoon up into the attic today that's why I look like this um I just want to say uh when it comes to the how to pay for this uh as I believe Mike is his name said it's going to have to be paid for somehow to uh put that money back in the coffers I would say uh don't take a loan that has interest on it if you can borrow from the general fund at a 0% interest I would say go that way uh I just want to put that out there because I know if we don't say that it could end up somehow being a high interest loan somewhere down the line all right thanks thank you all right is there anyone else all right so public uh comment has been closed um any I'm still a little bit unclear uh how quickly this will take effect I I got head nods when I said immediately but then I think that's what everybody wants to do but I'm I want to be certain that that we can do it effective immed so so we don't add continue to add to the problem so I think commissioner what you're saying is there a way to you know to verbally say bring the resolution back on the 18th but cease charging the permit fees tomorrow absent that resolution yes that's we don't go from you know 1,400 yes permits right now Jen are you you and I'm not trying to put you on the spot is there a way to do it that's another probably 400 permits that we're going to add to the 1,243 that we already have if we wait another two weeks so um there may be an administrative way um and I say that because I don't know like when that fee gets charged and is there a way to suspend that date until the 18th we're on the 18th you would have an opportunity I can tell you the only way you can wave your fund legally or wave the fees legally is through a resolution and so I think what you're what you're saying is what you you want to do that bring back the resolution so you can legally do it and then direct the city manager see when those fees are assessed and if there's any way to um you know whether or not those fees are going to be collected between now and then or there could be some sort of um different time frame for collecting them still within the bounds of the law yes I think that's what I'm asking I don't know when you pay them I just don't at the time that you get the per if you do it at the time of application not at application of getting the permit oh of getting the permit before you get the permit you have to pay your fees before you get your permit once it's all yes with a bow on it okay could I clarify that you are uh supposed to pay half up front and half at the time of receiving the permit but because of the the rest that everybody's under a lot of those fees are still being collected at the end but under our code and under our fee schedule it says we shall collect half up front okay does it say that half upfront upon application yes at time of application is what it say um would we be able to have a special meeting to come back sooner with this resolution good question so what uh commissioner krabble is saying is can we have a special meeting call it Thursday and uh and the resolution why don't we go for Wednesday yeah before before walk in tomorrow morning before coffee find out what people are doing I'm sure we can set up a special meeting to accomplish this I'm wondering if there's a way that we could have staff hold collecting permit fees until a date certain in the future so there'll be no collection of fees we're not waving those fees at that time um and we could still work to issue the permit but stop collecting the fee until after the special meeting or or the 18th when we would have the resolution brought back to the commission that would that would work yeah I think it works if you sorry do you need any kind of motion or anything to go along with this not with regard to the direction that's been given with to the resolution that's going to be provided but we do need a motion for the resolution that's before you tonight 20252 okay so who okay please I move to approve the extension of the waiver permit fees until February 28th 2025 to support Community recovery efforts and encourage compliance with permitting requirements second we have a motion in a second okay okay any other just for clarification on the motion as presented in resolution 20252 yeah that's normally included in the motion but it wasn't okay all right T would you please call rooll of course vice mayor dicki I commissioner to hi commissioner krael hi commissioner minning hi mayor doctor I all right moving and for the special meeting you're going to correct we will if one is needed we'll contact the commission and set that meeting up and give you ample time as well as the community so we have time to notice Let the community know what's going on don't we want to do that before we collect more fees yeah I think what he's going to look at is administratively what that time frame is for collecting those fees and whether or not there'll be an impact on any Resident prior to bringing the 18th and if there is going to be and they're going to have to then they'll schedule a special meeting is what I understand from the city perform this administratively then okay then we'll just bring the resolution back on the 18th if I can't then we'll call a special meeting notify the commission and the community of the special meeting and then conduct it then okay thank you may I I just add one thing to make it very clear because there's been um Talk on social media that if we do this there're people are just going to be running down here to City Hall this is not an immediate refund so just we are going to refund it or try to do that resolution to refund it but it's not going to be immediate that you can come down and demand it thank you for clarifying that thank you commissioner and we'll we'll keep the community informed you know there's some individuals who have brought up some good comments about you know do we have to use software or not is there a simpler way of doing this you know and I know uh Community Development is touching base with other Comm other Beach communities to see if anybody else is using energov and taking a look and see how they're doing it so maybe we can just follow and suit with that sounds good okay all right moving on H3 Public Safety facility location decision approval to issue engineering design RFQ back by popular demand here we are chief and chief show so uh two weeks ago he gave us Direction he wanted to wait a little bit and talk about different sites and uh different possibilities and we've met uh interde departmentally with staff with uh some other people people has put in their suggestions and stuff and if you know we heard a lot of talk today about future development and people planning and zoning and you know what the city's going to look like and shaping the future of the city and if I can just you know put in my two cents you kind of asked us two weeks ago what site do we prefer and and in all honesty I mean we have documented um the chief has documented evidence here for lack of better term that having it located somewhere in the center of the city here would cut down a response time for fire which I think you know when you're talking about Public Safety Public Service like I said before that doesn't impact the police because we're already out there driving around but you know a few seconds could make a difference in saving somebody's life or getting to a fire a little bit faster um looking at Future development like I said it was really cool when I first started here as police chief to see that my Police Department was right next to the water you know I think the city has to ask is that the best use of that property in the future to put a new police and fire station on there you know I'm just giving you know our opinions and I I think it'd be better that we're located Center City here with the Redevelopment coming and what the city is going to look like in the future and once again you know we're we're having to look and you guys are being asked to look well into the future here this building is going to exceed all of our 10 years here and whatever we're doing now and is this the best use to F of to put it on 108 so if I could put something out to you right now I know we're talking about those two sites you know we talked we'd like to take one weight off the board and just be located here in Center City and the data clearly shows um the response time reduction um there is the benefit of being able to work closely more closely with us St directors um and and being close to City Hall um if we look at the heat map that we showed you last week uh the only red spot on that heat map for firing EMS calls is this two block area where we're standing so if you ask for the data and you ask my recommendation that's that's what I've got to tell you um like Chief says you've got to look into the future and project out you know other things you want to do um this would be a well-designed resilient um multi multifunction facility that will serve as our EOC for future storms and disasters planned events um a lot of what we do is right there on the beach for Planned events we would be able to run it from this building it just makes a lot of sense this is our recommendation um did spend a little time going around town this morning with an architect um there were some issues or questions that came up two weeks ago I wanted to get you some answers and um the best suggestion was this site affords the ability to do a public safety building that is more resilient um first of all just the suggestion that we're going to rebuild the current 57 year old building at ground level and be no more resilient than we were October 20th um that just I can't see putting taxpayer dollars into a block structure that old um even if we can get under the feema 50% rule which I don't think we can because of the assets value of that structure um the value there is the land as you're more more aware um but the architect today told us that even with a 50 foot for front apron that you pull the trucks out on before you pull on the Gul Boulevard um no more slope would be required there would be an issue for fire trucks to navigate you essentially build up the apparatus Bay which is the first floor that's the place where the fire trucks are parked um as much as you can but not to a point where it's an exceedingly steep grade as was thought we might have to do we certainly don't have to reach um base flood elevation by any stretch of the imagination it's an unoccupied floor so that's not required the fire programming would go um either a half floor or a full floor above that with police above that so not an issue whatsoever the space that we have um to get the square footage we're looking for which is only about a thousand more square feet than the former public safety facility it's just a lot more efficiently laid out and meets our needs a lot better and it's built for the future as well um would not come out past the parking lot where the temporary police station currently sits that's our presentation we're looking again for for two things from commission today um one a decision on the site and then two a uh permission to move forward with a request for qualifications from an architect and engineer so we can get to our 30% design phase um we do have the money to do that and a carry Forward Design is typically um 6 and a half to somewhere around 8% of total construction cost that's um division of Management Services formula in the state so looking at that the the $970,000 that we have carried forward um from 2022 until current um would be more than enough to to take care of the design on this um the other thing is if we don't move forward rapidly uh legislature is in session I remind you we do have the $6 million legislator budget requests in um they're in committee week three I believe and they are deciding what's going in the budget as we speak we're competing against shovel ready and 30% the one thing we have in our favor is our two friends hilling and Milton so let's run with that and get half of this thing funded before we have to come back we miss this opportunity we have to come back and say now Chief and chief want 12 million from the city so if it feels like we're pressing you for a decision we are and that's the reason just trying to be good Financial stewards yeah once again this is you know this is designed concept back in in 2019 and just kept getting passed up the road and now we're in the situation where now construction isn't getting any cheaper and we want to do the right thing for the city and you know there's a conceptual drawing that's out there and that's nothing but that it's a conceptual drawing there's been absolutely no plans drawn for this there's been no square footage settled settled or anything like that we did a space needs analysis we walked around with an architect in our existing building before that was three years ago to show what we have existing space and we're not adding that much more space on that at all once again building for the future Treasure Island will be growing and we need to grow the police and fire department at least a little bit to accommodate that as well I was reading an article today from Santa Belle um um it was L was longbo key so down in that area that was hit um they had a a station that was designed and built in the past two or three years PRI of the storm that hit them um they actually came back at 2 a.m. and before they could see the building they heard the generator running so they came back and went right to work that's what we need sure um let's say that the only uh spot standing is still right here um is there any discussion or thought as to how many floors are you talking about three kind of two and a half to three okay so both living floors off out of the out of the base flood elevation outside the flood yep so what if you went up another two or three and made a parking so and that's that's what you guys need to look at I don't believe it should be personally and I know the worry about you know car bombs being parked and lithium I lithium ion battery fires in a parking garage um from an overheated you know charging station um those are our concerns I don't think we should combine that we do have other city-owned property in the city center area that would be ideal for a parking garage but I don't think it should be comined combined with a public safety facility well you've already got a footprint um kind of do at at direction of the commission you know if that if that's the option the commission wants to go that's totally up to you to you to be looked at I mean that there's nothing wrong with an architect taking a look at that as far as best practices Go I mean there's a lot of police departments that have parking garages adjacent to them but they're usually closed off um if we could manage it some way maybe where has a separate entrance and exit for it that's a possibility it would all be you know that's something an architect would have to look at I am not an architect I can't even draw stick figures okay thank you all right uh any other questions for staff I do have one uh for chief bars um if we're not getting elevated a lot for the fire trucks what are we going to do with our fire apparatus if we're expected a big storm surge oh either way once we you know anything that's probably above a um tropical storm and this is something the county dictates we don't have any control over it once the county orders basically the sheriff orders a mandatory evacuation um we stay on the island police and fire in certain Public Works folks as long as we can once that water starts to rise or the wind starts to come up we make the determination that anyone who's decided to stay is you know going to have to survive on their own and we evacuate as well take taking all of our equipment with us just like we have in the past because I know you're saying we would be able to use that at least much quicker as an EOC spot AB going to the we're the last ones to leave and we're the first ones to come back and what that will do is allow us to come back and be fully operational here instead of being fully operational a mile and a half to two miles off the island okay I just want we got to remember yeah we have our checkpoints on Central Avenue not allowing Ingress and OSS it's ridiculous that we're outside of our own points that doesn't really serve the community well that's why we want to be back here and we'll it helps us do a first push we can store all of our gear here we don't have to truck our gear and we'll be ready to rock and roll you know as soon as we get like he said the generator will be running and we run our EOC with all of City facilities if we have to from our Emergency Operations Center yeah the last last storms I we it was just a mess we we were responding back from off Island for emergencies uh I want to say we slept in sever different places as firefighters um second floor here with no electricity um Clyde was kind enough to give us some rooms at the billmar we had a condo hotel up the road gave us rooms for a couple nights um Sun said Vistas gave us rooms for a few nights we're at St Pete College um on a Library floor uh we were at the church several nights so that's not ideal from a first responder I agree going back to work and trying to get service to the citizens quickly I just wanted wanted to know because you we aren't going to be above BFE on the firehouse but I was concerned about the equipment because I'm sure that's going to be a question that the public would ask and so I understand that we're just getting there was there's a famous video out there from Hurricane Ian from the city that I used to work in of a certain Department service that lost that lost lost millions of dollars worth of equipment because they were in their brand new firehouse and didn't move it away from the downtown area let me just for the record no police cars were lost however multi-million dollar fire of fire equipment was lost but no that's right we absolutely NBR waterham said we have a mandatory evacuation we have to move our equipment off which is our vehicles but like I said everything else can stay in the station all the other equipment we need the rubber boots the waiters anything else we need to do rescues small boats anything we can put upstairs to survive the storm we can leave here okay wonderful my guy who can't even spell EMS sorry I had to do it sorry so Chief Barkley are you going to get in the chili cook off so you can beat him or vice versa I mean we might as well have a little but like many people in the audience I do not have a functioning Kitchen in my house right now me neither I have a hot plate that we do some occasional boil water outside but I would not be up to standards and I don't know where my crockpot is okay I have one you can borrow there you thank you you know and if that's what he needs to not compete I'm I'm okay with it I'll let he's still mad because I beat the I beat him that year one year anyway but in know seriousness commissioner krabble um there are design elements that we put into place the the apparatus bays are essentially a wash through kind of like the first floor of this building your electrical wiring is not in the walls but in conduit on the outside of the walls so it's basically sacrificial you pull it out run new wires afterwards um Outlets are as high as you can put them you know there's Design Elements um the foundation is built to withstand the the water flow in and out positive and negative pressures I mean The Architects have this down to a science y thank you all right thank you and let's uh turn now to the public comment and the first I have is Clyde Smith good evening thank you mayor and Commissioners and City staff um first thank you for all you're doing during this very difficult time um I know she Chief bar and chief Barkley know how much we support them uh both as a resident and as business uh manager um the one thing I was able to serve on the vision committee twice with uh Mitchell as he mentioned earlier and in that there was a large discussion with hundreds of residents of where possible places could be for uh safety building and I would just urge you to if a meeting is going to if a decision is going to be made today you wouldn't have time but there were some uh dis discussions there of alternative areas for that building that would still keep it very Central uh it's in those Vision documents I don't think they've been looked at for a while it probably is time for another Vision committee but it was um we spent years developing those documents and there it definitely addressed the locations for that I'd ask that you consider that for your vote thank you great thank you anyone else uh let's go with Mark first excuse me Mark Hoy uh 104th Avenue just with all due respect to the Chiefs they have now let you know their preference which was what you were asking for but I thought the other question that the commission had two weeks ago was a relative cost differential between site a and site B and I know they can't be specific at this point but as the public there's got to be some basis to determine a rough number for it next door here or a rough number uh rebuilt on 108th and I think that's a pertinent piece of this decision making other than just um response times and others so just a thought that that might be a clarification that's needed for the commission to make an educated decision thank you thank you Rick Rick Matthew District 3 I I think we need to put the pin back in the grenade on this one for a little bit we're talking about developing our city okay and our resources are very limited for useful land so before we commit to something let's make sure it's what we want to do before can't put the toothpaste back in the tube once it's out it's out so let's do this a conscious evaluate it what is the best and I I think the residents should have an input I I I understand what the Chiefs want but the residents this is their City they should have an input where this goes in the response times I I understand we we're talking a couple seconds and The Hot Zone here is probably medical calls because our residents without addresses they get a lot of calls my my daughter calls them cell phone Heroes they call in the GU passed out he's just partied out okay so before we get into a big spending spree let's do it right take our time evaluate it and do the right thing for the city I I know that the firehouse is is 50 years old but there's also engines up and down the the coast here that either have a canopy cover or just outside so it's not critical we do this today let's do it right we did this building there was a lot of animosity because the citizens didn't feel we had proper input 50% of this building is not utilized and as soon as the firehouse or the safety building's built we're going to get whed with the um Public Works building which is going to be another $6 million or whatever and we need to be conscious because I believe maybe speaking at of turn I think uh pelis County put a moratorium on taxes on houses that are not being utilized right now is that true I don't know heard of it and our tax base is going to shrink next year because we got a lot of house that are knocked down so let's do this right is that not true I heard that panella's County if you're not in your house they're waving the the tax if I I think what he's referencing is the penel County Tax Collector that came and spoke and said that there were that if you weren't in your home they were W you could go online and apply at the tax collector and they would wave the tax associated with the structure you still have to pay the taxes associated with the land I believe that's what he was describing that evening and maybe what you're referencing yes okay and I don't know all the ins and outs but that's definitely going to attach attach our uh our tax base for next year so let's let's do this right I'm not opposed but let's do it right and and let's get the citizen input okay thank you all right anything else yes please so um in the back oh there she is Tammy hi Tammy Vasquez district one um I just I spoke on this a couple weeks ago um it's kind of surprising to me honestly this is not something new that we're just now because of the Hurricanes trying to decide to do this is something that has been in the planning for many many years um because we've needed a new public safety building so I'm really surprised I guess at you know everybody has their opinion I guess but it is um it's been in the planning and it's gotten delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed for one reason or another reason I understand we're we're definitely you know we're not going to have the money influx that we normally do however over the next few years we also are going to have a lot of um things going on where our tax base is going to build back quickly with the you know redoing downtown area you know the getting these hotels and motels back in business here along obviously that's long term but the public safety building is not going to be immediate either it's going to take a long long time so I think you know putting a a public safety building back on some of the most most valuable property in uh Treasure Island um where it's even more vulnerable right sitting on the water um where that land could be developed that could bring even more income to the city still quite doesn't make sense to me but I think everybody just needs to remember that this is not something new this is not a new project this is something that keeps getting kicked down the road which is why our officers and our firemen were stuck at the church in South Pasad during the hurricane because this keeps getting kicked down the road and it's not fair it's not it does not serve us the residents when they can't even get back on because they're waiting in the line to get back over um it's not safe for anyone so I just think we need to all consider that I totally get all the concerns Financial believe me I understand all of that however we just need to stop forget we need to quit forgetting that this is not a new project the Chiefs are not asking for a 12,000 sq fot mass of Taj Taj Mahal they just need something that makes sense and I think that's their job and I think the fact that they've made it where it's all together makes complete sense and they were saying approximately 1,000 square feet larger than what they have which anybody who ever visited either one of the other facilities 1,000 ft more is not much because they were tiny so just something to really take into into consideration you know we can keep kicking this down the road and keep kicking down the road and that's why we're at where we're at today and why they're in pods so just please take that into consideration Sarah did you have your hand up I I'll get with you in a second I'll be quick I was just curious I'm sure you I'm sure you don't have the answer for me but I have been thinking this whole time we have this entire empty floor here in the city hall and I know our police and fire want to be very close to City Hall so I wasn't sure if there was any realistic possibility of using one of the empty floors for the police department I don't know how that works and if that's feasible and I wasn't sure if that had even been considered or not but I wanted to just mention it thanks thank you yeah Mitchell yeah so years ago 2010 and 20 15 we had residents involved and I think commissioner was involved as well with the vision committee we proposed a lot of things I think if they still have the notes minutes you guys should take a look at it because in within it are suggestions for all those buildings on that side to be moved and for a beautiful Park maybe to be developed there a marina possibly to be developed there we did a lot of work and uh you know wherever they move the fire department is fine with me but uh you got to think about the future of that property on the water as well and it's could be something where we could be walking around you know there could be um all kinds of amenities uh at on on that property so get rid of those fire department buildings and the police building and whatever else buildings you there that are 50 years old and let's move on let's build and let's prosper thank you all right I was just taking a look on what we're needing to do here so um so yeah public comment okay please quickly good evening everyone uh my name is Ry dbii uh I I kind of I'm kind of kind of listening to our uh Fire Chief and uh uh police chief and I was wondering has anybody addressed uh their J you know trying to make their job easier now I don't know if we have it here I would have to ask them but where I was from I was a first responder and we used to have what they call Baker Act when we got somebody that was mentally ill or sleeping in the streets or something like that we had the authority to take them and uh bring them to a mental institution where they would be evaluated and they would be in that institution until they became productive where that they made their job easier by not having these same people over and over and over again and the resp response time was much greater so they would have to respond to that but I would try to look at trying to make their job easier and that's about it great that's all I got to say thank you Arthur how you doing Arthur is on District 3 I'll be quick um actually I would love to see it in the park so um 105th was originally deed um with I saw it online it was supposed to go from obviously Golf Boulevard to 104th if you look on the Property Appraiser's website um you see the map of the park it says one two uh Lots one and two in the park and then not vacated and that's why there's that little square in the front and then 1 2 3 4 5 and the main part where the community center is uh I my personal opinion although I did say before I like to see it on the 108 you know there's some opportunity later on down the road for Marina and other options um next store I think it will decrease the value of this property too too much in my opinion um I think it should go in golf from park right across the street walkway right there there's many ways it could be designed designed where uh the fire trucks and police could go down 105th or down 104th to Golf Boulevard and um other than that you know is there a way to elevate uh the where the fire trucks are um you know whether I know madir Beach is elevated and uh South pasina is um and then there was one more point that I wrote down um and uh how do we design if we don't have a fil policy you know um that's questions that you know you guys uh have to come up with and lastly um I think we don't have to pinpoint a location without uh going after the grant money so thank you okay public comment is closed um anything with staff or Commissioners yeah I um I'm in concurrence with with our Chiefs that we really should put the building next door it's more efficient it's efficient for egress to Golf Boulevard and to our hot spots um 105th and I've talked to quite a few of our my constituents too about this that they also pushed to get the public safety building when we were first talking about it when we put it wanted to put it across the street in the park that they didn't like that that they really thought it should be next to the new city hall before we purchased while we were in the purchasing process and yes we did move it down the road a few times but now I think it's the time that we make a decision on location um what's the best long-term look for our community I mean chances are 50 years down the road I'm probably not going to be here as as much as most of the people in this room are but we have to leave a good Legacy for our children or our future generations and and moving it down now is the opportunity that we have to get the funding um I think the state really wants to see a concrete plan in place pardon the pun but um I think we really need to do a prudent decision and quit moving it forward and down the road and push it down when we can make a solid decision and move forward okay so here's what uh what I'm going to say about it um that the way we actually have built the uh the motion is that uh this building could be designed and put on either this property or on8 so I don't think we need to actually be taking a look at which property it is right now but we do need to give them funds to start doing a design um and so this one even says you know that uh that would be located at either 10499 GF Boulevard or the 100 block of 108th Avenue aren't those apples and oranges though because of the access and egis yeah just says or I think they were I think they were looking for direction yeah for one or the for one or the other and honestly you know at this point whichever you choose is fine um we just wanted to give you all the facts but we do need to determine a finite location so we can get the engineers and Architects work working on the 30% design so I apologize that was if that was V exactly what you're saying my mind it was either or so I I could have probably done a better word smithing job no it's I I got it yep all right um I I'll jump in I thought uh commissioner toss comments were right on I agree with them I want to uh I I have the ultimate of faith in the two chiefs and if they think this is the best place for the police station and the fire station the public safety facility then I I certainly want to support them uh to the fullest I feel the same way did yeah I I mean I don't we got to put somewhere so and I I do like the 108th as a uh to be used for development I think that uh one of the things that we really need here is is some development and uh along with that we need to find at least space for a parking garage uh or maybe even two um what I would like to see is even even though we'll pick a site um I would like to see the entire city complex now that we own this facility and we own the park and everything else and and maybe have some renderings of what could be um and but there's no doubt that uh we're going to need more parking space uh and we're going to have to figure that one out very quickly as well so uh that's all I have to say does anybody else have anything else okay so we have a motion please I move to direct staff to proceed with development and issuance of an RFQ for Public Safety facility design engineering for an approximately 12,604 squ ft Building located at 10499 Golf Boulevard second we have a motion and a second any further discussion call the rooll please vice mayor dicki I commissioner to hi commissioner krael I commissioner menning hi mayor doctor I thank you all right moving on we've got the extension of the Jacobs contract yes thank you mayor and commissioner with the recovery from hurricanes Helen in Milton underway City staff is actively engaged in recovery efforts including the issue of permits these permits are essential for restoring structures to their pre-storm condition since City Hall opened on October 22nd more than 2300 people have sought permit and Disaster Recovery assistance this includes the filing of approximately 2013 permits given the city's continuing priority to return residents to their homes and reopening business businesses as quickly as possible an extension to the original Jacobs agreement is being sought the purpose of this agenda item is to enable Jacobs to continue to provide staff to support the Community Development Department to accomplish building permit and Building Inspection Support Services for the Treasure Island community Jacobs has been working with the city since late November and has provided much needed assistance and relief to our staff a not to exceed amount of 360,000 $499 has been provided by Jacobs to provide two months of these services and combining that with the original $316,050 77,78 the funding for this item could come from General funds or building funds with the expectation that reimbursement will be provided by FEMA in the State of Florida under the category e public assistance program and with that I'm open to your questions does anyone have any questions Bob yeah a while back I had asked for a cost benefit analysis um and I still haven't seen one commissioner I do have that cost benefit analysis it's not finalized um and I will be able to get that to the commission I would think that would be a good um document to see yep and in review of the um cost breakdown analysis there was definitely a difference between what it was what it cost for staff time versus staff plus Jacobs to process a permit on an individual permit basis but I'm having the numbers refined because I don't know if there was the actual inclusion of the state resources we have in there there is definitely a a disparity but with knowing that we can get reimbursed by FEMA for what we're expending and knowing that we need to process permits and get people back into their homes you know we're willing to make and I'm willing to make the recommendation to extend the contract for two more months with Jacobs Jacobs is providing much needed support in a few particular areas that we do not have that capacity currently well you and I had the discussion this morning at our meeting um you shared with me some information I'm still not comfortable with voting for extending a contract that I don't know what the cost benefit is we're talking $677,000 I mean that's a lot of money folks and I don't care if it's reimbursed it's still money correct commissioner it is still money and it it is the $360,000 that we're talking about this evening because the last notice that I got from the Jacobs folks is that the money that we have in the original agreement will run out approximately by the 7th of February and we don't want it the 7th of February correct boy they burned through that last little bit really quickly didn't they I'm sorry I don't mean to be flipping about this but it just and I don't and I don't easily bring this forward commissioner without having refined that number on the cost benefit analysis and it's not just that number but actually the specificity of the services that they are providing primarily there's a a couple of functions that they provided that we just can't duplicate you know what and they have the expertise in those functions that are complimenting our staff and enabling us to turn out the numbers we did last week and what we're projecting to do okay and you mentioned to me that staff uh is going to be I'll call it writing her correct on the yes we are we're going to be meeting on a weekly basis because what we did was dial back the services that Jacobs was providing and to more specifically hone in on exactly what we need and when we need it you know so we'll be meeting weekly we've already eliminated a few of the positions that were previously um in the original contract and those personnel and the licenses that went with them so we've eliminated those from being considered as part of this extension and we're we're going after particularly what we need right now for flood plane management um permit clerk expertise and also we're going to be delving into the inspection side because the inspection side is going to start to become a larger animal as as we move it farther into this process okay thank you yeah Bob I understand what you're saying and it it is a little frustrating that we don't have you know all the numbers we need but uh by not doing this we're going backwards and I'm not going to exactly it's Catch 22 I'm not going to go backwards we we've got to get people back in their homes and we are going to need a lot of uh different skill sets going forward we're going to need uh building inspectors and absolutely so I I'm not going to I'm not going personally I'm not going to go and accept to go backwards yeah I I agree with you there and I'm not all for going backwards either but it just bugs the hell out of me when I don't have all the pieces of information that I need to make an informed decision and I'll work to get that we're waiting on the the second invoice from Jacob so I I'll press with uh with their representatives to get that so we can put together the full analysis okay can we do month to month I'm sorry with can we do a month to month within benefit analysis because I've asked for one too would commissioner if I could clarify would that be a cost benefit analysis month by month we need to know what we got are you saying do a month-to-month contract a month-to-month well I'm actually saying a month-to-month contract to see where we are and where we're going and how they're benefiting to do the inspections and we went to the issuance of permits we haven't discussed the inspection caveat of it we could go to a month-to-month contract what was offered from Jacobs is a two-month extension to the contract which gives stability for making sure that we can keep the people retained that we have because what happens is if you go to a 30-day contract individuals are going to start seeking employment other places and we don't want to lose Key Personnel we can come back and we can as I mentioned we're meeting staff-wise on a weekly basis and and talking to Jacobs on a weekly basis and we'll be monitoring the spend ratio as we go through this and Reporting it and Reporting it we can do that thank you and I'll I'll jump in here on this conversation as well uh the cost benefit analysis I was 100% supportive of uh when we were looking at a two-year contract I I can't imagine us voting on a two-year contract without that cost benefit analysis this is uh two months it's actually less than two months at this point in time and and the option of not doing it uh is is more painful than since spending the 36 get us through the next people in their homes I'm just also concerned about prudent spending and that's a lot of money right the only good part about that is it's potentially reimbursable yes correct potentially okay yeah got the okay any other questions for staff okay any public comment Chris yeah Chris Clark District 2 I just want to make a quick statement I certainly agree with the cost benefit analysis and and not and spending money prudently but I I guess what blows me away is we're sitting here worried about $677,000 um you know when when it's when that's trying to get people back in their homes yet no one seems to care about the $1.4 million that we've paid Justin's firm over the last few years for the train modification manual that is designed to get people out of their homes so I think a little bit of money to get people get people back in their homes is is is is wise to spend thank you any other okay we'll close public comment do I have a motion please I move to approve Jacob's amendment number one hurricane recovery support for services through March 28th 2025 keeping the original terms and conditions and Exhibit C included in the original agreement still in effect second and we have a second motion and a second any further discussion okay can could we get the cost benefit analysis by our next meeting I'll work to get that as soon as possible to you commissioner thank you all right uh Tia would you please call roll vice mayor Dicky hi commissioner Toth hi commissioner krael hi commissioner minning hi mayor doctor hi I thank you okay we are at the end of this agenda and we're going to make move right into the workshop uh is everybody okay to just go straight through and uh no break yeah sure let's go for it okay so going to uh adjourn the our first meeting and then we're going to move forward Yeahs a moment to stand a moment to stand okay haven't seen you pull my underwear off my butt I think they're welded maybe [Laughter] I [Music] yes it just bus me I have to in the way be [Music] forced e e e e e e e e e report hi hi I'm actually going to go ahead and start this off I know you're not used to seeing me um but I did want just want to give a quick insurance update uh since I know that's kind of a you know kind of on everyone's mind right now so all right so we actually just kind of starting off we've got two different types of uh coverage that we pay for which is all right so the first one is flood um and that always comes first so um we're with right flood and that's through Brown and Brown who's our Burker so the flood coverage is on all contents within the covered properties so really flood is only covering the equipment and materials and supplies that we have inside of the buildings uh we do have two buildings where the actual buildings were covered by flood as well um and I'll show that in just a moment okay there we go uh so Treasure Bay uh the clubhouse and the maintenance building uh the contents are covered as well as police and fire uh City Hall and all the lift stations um the master pup station and the community center also has the buildings included as well then the second type of coverage that we have is our actual property coverage McLaren is handling our claims and that's through World risk management uh so the property coverage is on all the structures and it also includes content so really whatever flood doesn't pick up then we kick it over to property to see if they'll go ahead and pick up whatever uh flood did not cover so what's cover covered under that all of the exact same buildings but then also the Public Works garage so for whatever reason Public Works garage was not included in the flood um but then we're just going to cover that with property so they're working on that now so our current status do you have a question what about the uh facilities that on the beach parking lots like uh like the Pavilion so those are considered property in the open and yes a lot of that is covered so when you're talking about the um fencing around the tennis courts that is covered the beach wall caps are covered uh so that's all property in the open um what's not covered is anything like actually on the ground itself so like if we've got mulch you know none of that is covered so but the actual property um out what they considered out to be in the open uh our playground equipment all of that our shade structures that's all covered as well under property thank you what about what about wind so yes we do have wind cover as well um so right now what the a lot of the numbers that I have are all stemming from Helen that was the majority of our damage was the flood damage uh so the wind damage wasn't so so bad so Milton and that wind coverage is really going to come in we start talking about city hall because that's where we had the majority of the damage to our roof um when it came to the uh AC units um and so some damage was done there as well as to the maintenance building at Treasure Bay uh they lost part of their roof and public works so but they have to handle them as two completely different uh claims because one is Helen and one is Milton so right now we're really just still working through the Helen numbers but there is coverage there is coverage yeah thank you so our current status with our flood insurance um we've actually closed out the contents claims on the Treasure Bay Clubhouse police and fire the building only though for the master Pump Station and the community center we're still working on the contents coverage for those um as I just said and uh Treasure Bay Maintenance building we're still working on the contents coverage for that oh hold on I had a whole oh guess I didn't sorry uh the total reimbursement for contents and buildings that we've received to date is $483,500 uh we're going to continue to work with right flood to finish up all the contents claims I was actually just sending out emails today saying hey these are still missing this still working on this uh we're going to meet with McLaren uh their whole team the week of the 17th to review the property claims to date substantial damage determinations and and the status of each building and then we're going to complete and submit our damage inventories uh to FEMA this week for Helen and then in March for Milton so basically all the damage uh inventory that we currently have that we would have submitted to flood and to property we also going to submit to FEMA in the hopes that if whatever flood doesn't cover and then whatever property can't cover then FEMA goes in and says okay what's left and so we submit sorry we submit all of that to them uh we are though moving forward on repairing the community center uh for the Beach Pavilion and Treasure Bay Clubhouse we are still waiting on the final determinations um of sub stantial damage uh before we start moving forward on those but uh we are Community Center is should be repaired uh hopefully before um they start summer camp so uh and that's what I have for my update you have any questions no does the reimbursements cover our cost to repair uh not completely so that's why we're we're looking this is just for flood like I said kicking everything then over to property so we can see if we can you know make us as whole as we possibly can thank you yeah all right thank you Jessica if I could one question right there you're meeting with mcclaren's a week of the 17th yes what will happen from there so really that's just to make sure that McLaren that we're all that I've submitted everything that they need so far um they're going to let me know whatever they feel like they're missing um and it's just it's just a good face-to-face conversation where we can also go around to the different buildings and take a look um to see if there's anything you know new that's happening or anything else um but it's really just a matter for all of us to come together at the same table um and to discuss all of the data that we currently have to then continue to move forward because right now it's just really just me and the adjuster that speak so this is going to be me the adjuster and then her team and our team so we can all make sure we're on the same page thank you any additional questions thank you very much thank you I'm going to turn it over to M hello again just wanted to bring you through through some of the highlights of the uh first quarter um just want you to know that uh the numbers are are closed uh un audited but pretty tight um the amended budget which is the one that we compare everything to includes carryovers from the prior year so there's a lot of projects a lot of lot of things in the budget that are going to make things look a little wonky from the standpoint that because we were planning to have a lot of capital spending in the first quarter we didn't the budget was also developed on a flatline basis which um I inherited um so consequently uh for example you'll see something later uh a lot of the revenues are front loaded in reality and the budget was flat so we're going to see big gaps in the front other gaps as what go want and so they will be the variances so for example combined revenues of 125 million were favorable uh the chart below shows uh trailing 15 months on ad Borum taxes starting in October 23 so you can see that October November December that's that's the rain that's the rain makinging time and then it falls off for the balance of the year and you can see for this year October it spikes up in November following the same pattern and the red line is the budget so that is what is driving the variance and that's true throughout about the whole thing yeah let me jump in here Mike you and I talked about this uh we did in the last couple of days and uh you and I were talking about how when we if you're still here with us uh with uh and we start putting together the next year's budget that will stop this flatlining because it makes it impossible to see how we're doing versus budget when you've got that Flatline in well any budget I've ever done in any life has always been seasonal lied because regardless of it's a government entity or private entity there's there's highs and lows on the revenue side there's spikes in the expenditures uh for example property taxes on the private side go up in November and you have all these things to account for and what a flatline budget does in essence month toon quarter to quarter it's almost in my view this is just me talking is meaningless I agree completely because you're just going to see Wild variances up and down and and you're just going to say well it's a timing difference and well in the end everything's a timing difference it really clouds things because it you being ahead of budget by 1.6 million sounds like oh great we're we're ahead of budget on total revenues but uh in reality uh because of the Flatline budget we don't know how we're doing versus budet it'll only we'll only find out on a cumulative basis in Period 12 right right um total spending uh on the storms well total expenditures were 8.9 favorable to budget by 7.6 again less Capital spending and that 8.9 did include about $2.2 million uh that was directly related to the storms so for the first quarter the city spent 2.2 and we just on January 7th we did file uh 1.43 million uh to FEMA which is a class A which is like this is the one you got to get in first for debris removal so we got the 1.43 in on the on the 7th uh we have given them everything and they are in the process of review so you know it's going uh you know they're making the sausage right now but once I know a date certain as to when we can actually expect those funds then we'll be in a position to start layering on top of it because the 1.43 does not cover the 2.2 that we have to begin with because we know that we've got other invoices other debris that type of thing that fell afterwards but we had to kick the door open we had to exceed $1 million with that first one because by exceeding that million dollarss we can layer on top of it so so we're we're in a good position there and you know checks in the mail eventually but you know how that goes Mike if I could when you said layer on top of layering on top the 1.43 we got it over a million dollars so that allows us for subsequent reur that's a threshold that allows us to add on to that one claim thank you m if I can find the thing here okay oops sorry fast forward expenditures okay cash as of December 31st the city was Liquid by $19.8 million about 12 of that is in a money market fund and the balance is regular checking and that's that's paying all the bills now that looks like a great number and believe me I'm a numbers guy and I like great numbers but remember the ADV valorum on the front end we got all this cash pouring in and so we're we're flush with cash there also um the city has about 9 million in uh uh POS incumbrances and those are those are purchase orders issued they haven't been EX executed all of them but they're ready to be they're at a point where when the time's right we can pull the trigger on any number of capital projects and so we've got 9.3 million of committed funds Debt Service for the year is about a million and then the carry forward items which are other products that other projects that were baked into the budget total up to about 15.8 million so uh from from that standpoint I think we're you know you know I think we're in in in pretty good shape um but I'm a finance guy so I'm Dr Doom most of the time so um so we're but we're keeping a very very close eye on cash so that concludes the overheads I've got do you have the the detailed schedules or or no you do okay unfortunately the schedules are like this and they don't go up there very well okay but I can leave that up are you open for other questions at this point are you open for other questions at this point sure you shoot away all right I had away I had several concerns again because we didn't have a a good budget to compare it to that's that's pretty much as you said meaningless so we can't even really look at that so what I did was I took a look at how we're doing versus last year correct uh so uh you know quarter to first quarter last year first quarter this year so the things that jumped out at me is the and and didn't surprise me but I but I do have a concern here Wastewater fund is down 39% uh this year the first quarter versus the previous year quarter Solid Waste is down revenue is down 49% and storm water is down 52% uh I understand why the Wastewater fund would uh would be down substantially because we have a lot of empty houses that aren't generating a lot of waste water so I understand that 800 was volumetric just lower volume okay so what I was looking for on the expense side is something that offset that CU I know we send all over waste water over to the City of St Petersburg and they build US based how much y waste we send them so I didn't see any offset savings on the expenditure side for that lower volume well there's a reason for that so for Waste for Wastewater yes we had yeah where I would have expected to see that would be uh under operating expenses it didn't it didn't make sense that it would show up in personal Personnel or capital outlay or Debt Service or anything like that so it would be other operating expenses and that is only down uh 2/10 of 1% so anyway I is there a a delayed effect or delayed amount in which the City of St Petersburg BS us for this and that's why it's just a something that's lagging and we're going to get that's question and I don't have an answer to that uh but I will I will follow up with that and I will tell all of you I will not have all the answers believe me I'm learning as I go here okay if if you'll look into that because I like there should be some off savings I'm a little bit more concerned about the solid waste fund which is down 416,000 uh versus last last year which is down again 49% there's no offset savings for that nor for the storm water fund which is down 280,000 or 52% so why would I'm not sure why those storm water fund would be would would be down uh so I'm not sure why we would have a 50% drop off in in those two accounts versus last year uh in revenues well on the expense side we we spent we spent more money this year than we did last year so we brought in less revenue and spent more money and I just assumed some of that increase in expenditures was based on well in fact last year yeah herane related right well last year we spent 284,000 in capital in in U yeah capital and then Buck 29 this year so that gave a favorable expense variance from last year so we had we were down 280 in in revenues for storm water and we were positive 215 in storm water so it's like one hand washes the other not quite because 154 of that 2115 is is capital expenditures are down exactly so that uh right we spent less right right but but it's 100 it's not operating expenses it's Capital no well that the operating expenses are more like a fixed overhead I mean you know volume goes up and down you're not changing headcount with with with the with the volume so you've got the fixed you know to an extent salaries you've got other operating expenses just the day-to-day stuff and by and large a lot of that stuff is fixed the big the big swing again was was on the capital side and we can discuss no no I understand that I understand that and I also understand why storm water fund wouldn't wouldn't have a corresponding fallof but but but we really haven't addressed how storm water uh revenue is down 52% and that's the question I need to I need to dig into because I don't know you know from from the time we received the funds to the time they establish what the funds will be what type of lag there is can you look into that because if we just extrapolated uh what we're looking at we would be just in those three funds Wastewater solid waste and storm water we would be off budget by uh for the whole year by $6 million right but just based on the first quarter results let's let's take a deeper look into that if you could please 100% what page are we on well one on yours it's uh I'm on seven seven seven yeah wastewaters page six and storm waterers on page seven Solid Waste is on page six as well okay so could it be down because on solid waste because of the company that we had that pulled the debris out for the storm I'm sorry the solid waste I'm sorry I'm trying not to cough in the microphone I understand um but the solid waste and all that is down because um the solid waste was hauled Away by a private contractor for the storms and that that could be part of the picture yeah and then also your storm water isn't that attached to your use so yeah you're what you're using is down because we're down residents yeah given the numbers are kind of kind of murky at best sometimes because it's not it's not business as usual right yeah I mean we were just dealing with all kinds of stuff you know in U in that quarter but we do have a base amount all the time yeah well that's the standards of the fees but you know I think they Bild a quarter so that might have the lag time explained into it yeah yeah well when you look at year to year it should kind of balance out any kind of seasonal seasonal differences on that exactly my my other big concern and this is not I don't think there's any kind of error in this or something but it's something that we need to look into and and be aware of going forward is property tax revenues adorm uh taxes in particular are up 1% uh year-over-year which uh which is always good but it should have been up like 10% because because the property values had increased in by almost 15% last year so we were expecting closer to a 10% increase in property uh taxes then instead of a 1% well actually Joan and I are teaming up to look at both the residential and the commercial side of of the property tax to get a handle on it because when I mentioned earlier the community disaster loan that is a Revenue base and we have to come up with a forecast of how far revenues are going to go down and what we understand at the moment is that for 20 for the year that we're intil the property they're going to hold serve it's not until the next fiscal year 20 26 that's when we're going to see the hit that's when the all the assessments are going to change the values are going to be modified and that's when you know not this year but next year that's when we're really going to see it and we're trying to get behind all the numbers to kind of forecast that out because you know in the world I live in is like I like to do forecasting like all the time and you live and die by it and we're a long way from getting to that point but we've got to get a handle on the revenue projections for sure for sure sure okay good and and like I said take a look and see why that in particular because we I don't think anybody was expecting that to be down you know by as much it is as much it is and it's not reflective in the budget it look the budget looks great because the Flatline yeah okay yeah yeah all right that's all I have okay let me just flip to the LA the very last page then because I think it's uh kind of gerine to move to everything it it alludes to the cash position before like I said we're sitting on in liquid cash $19.8 million now we have a number of investment accounts that have grown over the years and they're all tied up in treasury bonds okay and they're earning anywhere between 4 and a half to 5% because what we've done is we've got a stair stepped type of uh structure rure so that we've got tranches of of of the fund so it's not all sitting in One Fund we've got 12 and so we're kind of rolling them around well the investment accounts which again it is not liquid it's like oh let me go to the ATM and get some money out for my 401k no it doesn't work that way um the investment accounts roll up to about uh 17.9 so that's that's a that's solid and for the Financial wonks in the room investments in government accounting is an equity line it is not an asset just just a little little side bit there and then the last thing I mentioned we've still got the 9.3 in incumbrances we've got the million in debt service and we've got the almost 16 in in carry forwards so like I said right now knock on wood so far so good uh but there's no shortage of challenges but we'll we'll meet them great thank you any questions great thank you we are we are working you said on a full year outlook for Revenue you mentioned not just Revenue but expenses as well so we have a better idea of how the year is going to turn out and what we need to be aware of going oh yeah yeah we we' I mean we're nowhere near getting to a forecast but you said you're working on that though we've we've you know got to start work on it cuz you know it's showing now yeah yeah okay thank you all right uh public comment Ron again R GB AI uh I have one question according to what the gentleman just said by his calculations we're already $5 million in the red with his expenditures I think he it was uh 25 million pledged and available 19 8 million we're already in the red for $5 million so I don't see how we could say we're doing well may so may I I don't understand million 9 million is pledged according to your figures we have 19.8 million Cash correct cash yeah we have pledged 25 million no there we've encumbered $9 million carry forwards we haven't spent against you do spend it you do spend it that's the question right now we pledged N 9 million is pledge show you the over the available folks 9 million over the Avail No No 9 million total if we execute it against all the try try to talk into the microphone all right Mark did you want to say something uh on the budget item Podium I think it's been said although Mark Hoy 104th Avenue I know this was a quick review of the first quarter and Ardon you're right it's tough when it's flatlined like that I just want to reiterate the uh part of this when we're talking about our own budget all the hurricane stuff all the capital things that have been put off for uh months if not years buildings etc etc buried in all of this was request made a couple of times by this commission for that analysis of our Solid Waste handling process and expenses all in order to try to determine if or should there be any changes made before we spend considerable amount of money for a a public works facility replacement Public Works facility so I just want to make sure there's so much floating around so many decisions to be made so many figures that that just doesn't get lost and then all of a sudden we're caught with a no win no decision you know it's there's no way to make a decision because now you're forced into a corner saying got to do it right now including those half million doll garbage trucks that we will all acknowledge what we're using now we've run the hell out of them uh but that was meant to be part of a decision process so as a commission you could weigh okay here's that total bucket here here's the bucket if we were to consider a reasonable suitable Outsource I don't want to see that window close where okay no decision we're committed for another 10 15 20 years all right thanks thank you thank you okay public comment is closed and uh we don't have a motion so we'll be moving on to our next item the next item is the train modification program proposed revision schedule good evening Commissioners and mayor at the commission workshop on January 21st the commission directed staff to incorporate the conditions of the local planning agency in to the terrain modification program and this program includes eight ordinances eight business impact statements and a Terrain modification manual so it's got a lot of parts um we've reviewed the changes required to incorporate um these eight conditions of the LPA into the program and come up with a proposed schedule and a proposal for fees to make these required changes um as requested any changes that were made would be presented to the LPA and commission highlighted in red to show what was new so these are the eight conditions that were u in the motion of the LPA uh which was no se new seaw walls are required no new retaining walls are required no new docks are required structural and nonstructural fill are allowed to be brought in there's no mandate to elevate for the first 10 years of the program and next condition is owners do not have to attempt to elevate to the goal height uh the seventh one is a signed and sealed drainage plan is required and the last is that the LPA will re-evaluate the program every two years so in looking at these eight conditions um they all require some different level of action so of the eight conditions listed in the LPA resolution there are two conditions which we would simply acknowledge in the manual as they already do not exist in the program that would be no new retaining walls and no new docks to clarify on the retaining walls that is a design decision that the designer makes as to how much slow it's all dedicated predicated on you know the slope away from the building the height of the building above grade and all those um you know engineering factors that would be um used and in using this program without a mandated goal elevation then the decision can be made by that Designer or by that owner as to whether they want to have retaining walls in order to have more fill or they don't want to have retaining wall um and or a steeper slope in some cases but at once again that slope is you know a factor of drainage a factor of the building code and a factor you know it's got a lot of impacts on that factor um there was also a condition mentioned at the last commission meeting that there would be no new roadway funding included in the program and the program does not mandate any funding so those three uh conditions which really comes up to conditions um would simply be acknowledged in the in the manual there's really no action needed to change the manual because they're not in there um there are three LPA conditions that were already provided for in the program those were that structural and non-structural fill were allowed those were already allowed under the uh proposed terrain modification program next was that a signed and sealed drainage plan would be required and that was already required in the program and the last was that the LPA will reeval the re-evaluate the program in two years um there was already a suggestion in the manual that this go through a regular review so this would just set the time to be at a two-year cycle and the review to be by the LPA so then of the three it says four on the slide but it's actually three remaining conditions um listed in the resolution changes would be required to the manual and to the ordinances so this is where the real work in changing the program is uh regarding the removal of the requirement to rap sea seaw walls that's going to create uh work both in the ordinances and in the manual um the other primary changes to the manual will be the two conditions which provide alternatives to the goal height so in the original program it was everybody had a goal they would work through a series of engineering calculations to see if they could meet that goal but based on the conditions proposed by the LPA there would now be basically three different design options one would be person who chose to use no fill the second would be to use some amount of fill in between no fill and the goal height and then the third option would be to go to the goal height so those would require changes to the primarily to the manual because that's where all the engineering calculations are and how how you would you know do your factors your driveway slopes your drainage and all of those kind of things are accommodated for in the manual in order to complete the changes to the manual and the ordinances staff would come back to the commission on 218 to authorize the scope of work for the consultant in the amount of $3 37,1 122 in funding which involves revising the terrain modification manual chapter 69 chapter 76 which is storm water as well as minor changes to the other five chapters where we talk about requirements those CH changes would be made so this is a proposed schedule if the commission wants to proceed with um this is the most accelerated schedule that we could basically come up with um accommodating all the necessary public meetings and notice so you will see that if we come back on the February the 18th for authorization of the scope of work uh for the consultant then uh staff and the consultant could start work the next day on this program this would then go um 21 days later would have to be published to go to the LPA so it's a very fast turnaround for both staff and and the consultant I'm not I'm not sure why it needs to go back to the local planning agency if we're doing everything they've recommended in their in their proposals to us so they've they've sent this forward to the commission saying hey we agree with this based on these eight or nine uh conditions and you've you've accounted for those or accommodated all nine of those conditions into your uh in into your plan so why would it have to go back to the local planning agency I believe it needs to go back because these are are new ordinances with new they are tasked by state law to review ordinances and recommend if they're um recommend them to the commission but if Jen's got something to add please do I mean I think if all we're doing is changing him to incorpor the recommendations I don't think they need to go back LPA I think if we're adding anything other than that then it would okay okay so we can skip that step and therefore move this I don't think there's another commission meeting in between this schedule so this would then a week later be ready to go to the be prepared by staff to go to the commission making that you know 28 days instead of 21 days um to turn this around and bring it back to the commission so it would be ready it would go to still go to the April 1st uh commission meeting because there is no commission meeting in late what's when is our second meeting scheduled for April very early meaning that date would push this for an 18ch 18 meaning that it's due so why could that means it's due the 8th giving us um well you were you were going to present it to the local planning days get you present it to the local planning Agency on March 20th so so do be sending it to the commission on March 18th is only a two-day difference there so I'm not sure why well we have a much larger deadline for um commission meetings than we do for the LPA so it basically backs up our deadline by um 10 days not 10 days but backs the deadline up if the meeting is on the 18th yes then it is due on the Friday two weeks before so 10 days before so April 8th would be due from staff to so five days different than what you were planning on yeah so are you saying that's not not workable I think we can do it it's just a big push just want everybody to know that out as soon as possible so we do want this to push forward as quickly as possible so that would then move the meetings to I'm sorry it's March 18th right yes March 18th and April 1st then that's correct okay thank you okay so that's the pro proposed schedule we would change those dates to not have a local planning agency to have a city commission first reading on March 18th March 18th and a public hearing and adoption on April 1st that's correct any other questions I have one tomorrow there is a storm water mitigation or uh webinar that's supposed to be happening out of um Florida sponsoring it have you guys seen that and I'm wondering if that's going to have any impact on this I I don't know for sure but I'm wondering if that has to do with the new storm water rules that are that were being set out um by rule through the State of Florida and if it is I can tell you that um the city already asked Justin to look at that when he was creating the original manual and everything so those were taken into consideration at that time okay all right any other questions here for staff all right we'll go to the public uh segment and first is Richard Harris good even evening mayor Commissioners Richard Harris 374 Bay Plaza I also happen to be the chairman of the pnz board in the LPA and I'm also a registered professional engineer and have been for the uh last 38 years I want to just remind everybody on the commission and in the audience that it's currently illegal to haul dirt into this town if you get caught hauling in a dump truck full of dirt into your house you might get red tagged I know uh several which that did happen so you know that's a law that really doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense so when I first heard about this uh terrain modification manual I said hey great we can get rid of this uh this uh law that's just not productive for the city of treaser Island and that unfortunately was December 2023 so you know it's been kicking around since then we' gone through a few modifications finally on our last LPA meeting we said hey we're either going to deny this thing right get start all over or we need to come up with something the problem with with this whole situation is we got hit by a bad hurricane in the way of Helen that's destroying lots of houses they're getting torn down this is our one opportunity to raise the finished floor of the garages of these houses up to an elevation where you don't end up with a 30 in of water in your garage like happened at my house you could raise it up to more more feet and only end up with a couple of inches of water in your house may in your garage it's not going to affect your living floor if you're tearing down your house and or jacking it up you have to jack it up above the hundred-year flood if we get hit by category five it doesn't matter we're all moving away anyway so we need to do something I mean houses are getting built I talked about it last time over on Sixth Street there's one heck of a house he's probably paying a million dollars to jack up his house it's it's impressive so either we come up with something we can work with with these nine conditions and it sounds like there is a path forward or we just throw everything away I mean I've heard yeah let's just throw everything away and start over with a new simple fill ordinance well basically you throw everything away and I think uh Even If you hired a hot shot engineering firm it'd take them a year and we would miss out on this opportunity it's an opportunity to do what's right for the citizens of Treasure Island and the people that want to uh not go through what they uh went through I'm not going to have the opportunity I don't have a dog in this way I've raised my house as high as I could 208 years ago so you know raise it while you can and uh the one uh condition that we did not get added last time but uh it is the staff has added it is we want to make sure that people don't feel they're on you know that we have an unfunded Mandate of what was it $240 million to raise every road uh in this city when obviously the uh State of Florida is not even going to raise theirs um we have a LPA that has a lot of expertise on it we actually have uh a guy that I found out who handled the uh reapplication of uh Power into New York City after 911 we've got three Professional Engineers years we're uh we have reviewed this thing and I think it's had presentations before no less than eight times I think this is a good compromise you know let's get something done for the people of Treasure Island let's build these houses and it's you know don't get the misimpression that it's uh the living floors it's the garage levels and uh but still I spent uh a lot of money cleaning up the mess in my house I would love to not have to do that ever again and although it won't won't affect me at all it will affect people because you just drive around this city these days you're either seeing houses going up or houses uh you know empty lots where houses used to be so thanks for your time don't hesitate to ask any questions of me if you need it thank you thanks Richard Ron good evening again my name is Ron deazi uh commissioner could I ask you which one we're doing first which one of the uh are we doing one now one later are we doing I'm not sure I have two cards right but there's only two items and we already finished one item which was the financials I'm talking about the um card that I have on uh US Government International Development we don't have anything like that what do you have on your card what did I put spending government spending waste change of local government you wrote waste of government money no accountability okay that's the one I want to start with first well there's only there's only one left so there's only one item out there you can't have two cards on one item then we could do this one and then I'll just ask a question afterwards okay we'll do the first one US agency for International Development what I want to say is today 2020 Consulting contracts were terminated for a total Savings of our tax dollars of 165 million across six agencies I'm not sure how this pertains to the I'm talking about government waste no okay but this isn't about government waste this is about the uh the terrain module or manual then I bring this up you can't now I mean you could have done it at the beginning if you wanted to talk just in general well you had my card in the beginning you didn't call me no I did call you you were called up mayor um there is item C on the agenda for the workshops that allows public comment period yeah so he could he could do it after these two items are heard he could have public comment okay one card on whatever yeah so right now we're talking about the train modification program apparently you don't have anything to say on that no so okay so then com okay so then uh let me do this Mark Hoy does have something to say on this item and then we'll go to public comment and and we'll get your public comment okay thank you mayor okay good J evening again Mark hoey 104th Avenue so uh interesting first off Chuck thanks for uh incorporating redlining in the changes to be made and I would encourage that to be something done for any sort of uh documents that are brought back before the public or the commission just too much to go through for you all and and the public to be ready for the meeting so I appreciate you doing that uh it's interesting I guess we've come full circle uh since uh that time when we started talking about Elevate TI and then train modification and etc etc uh it's a bit ironic that we're going to spend $37,000 to Decon con struct Elevate TI we've spent and I I agree with Chris I've tracked that uh better than 1.4 million creating it over the past year and a half to two but we still have to keep paying to deconstruct it to the same consultant so and I guess I'm okay with that like Richard says this is the opportunity to to get what we need for the public for the fil dir we've had to go a kind of circuitous route to get there so I'm okay with that but I would plead to you to drop item 1.03 and 1.04 on the proposed expenditures on the slide that Katherine showed I don't think we need to spend $545 listening to Justin read slides to us all again just have your read reading and vote on it and let's go we don't need to spend money uh to listen to him two more times okay thank you thank you Mark okay Chris yeah I just wanted to make a couple quick comments I understand that we're kind of in a buy now we have to get fil dirt out but as Mark was saying I think anything we can do to limit the cost of you you know paying these Consultants any more money on This levate Ti debacle that now we're basically having to use this this train modification manual um basically like putting lipstick on a pig just to get fi dirt out and as far as I'm concerned had we actually gone out and tried to get a simple fi dirt ordinance months ago when the commission asked we wouldn't be in this position today so I I mean I think we have to get fil dirt out but I think in the future we should still um push to get rid of this mess and at some point just Institute a simple field dirt you know ordinance with without all of this crap in there that that's going to uh you know we have to put 10year limits on it because nobody wants to do it in the first place so I hope some way we can get get to a simple ordinance and stop paying Consultants you know thousands of dollars for something that we don't even want our need thank you city manager uh I do think that Mark Hoy brings up a good point if we're spending $5,400 for him to come back and talk to us again we don't need it I'll take a look at agreed kind of everybody agree yeah just yeah okay the the other thing I would ask and I hate to keep doing this but uh we're talking about two more weeks before we we're going to authorize this the scope of the work and and the consultant will not start until the day after that can we can we authorize the scope of work tonight not during a workshop first of all you're yeah first of all you're in a workshop so you can't take any action item and second of all you would want to have the contract in front of you which would be the work authorization plus the scope of work to approve it because it's basically a a contract Amendment effectively so um if there's a timing concern you have a special meeting yeah I think the special meeting rout could speed this up I think would be a good idea I'm maybe we could do that special meeting along with the wavering of the permit special meeting have the two of them together does that work director yunan do you have a moment please so a special meeting to bring the the spending authorization to you yes instead of waiting till February 18th yes we could do that okay thank you good okay all right does that tackle this one yes okay and so then uh Ron [Music] good evening again it's Rand de Bazi uh I would just like to uh report what I found this the audience here in the commission today 20 Consulting contracts were terminated for a total Savings of our tax dollars of 65 million across six agencies now I'm talking about the federal government now there's it agency called us Aid it spends 40 billion of taxpayer dollars to fund foreign aid spends another 45 million to Scholarships in Burma spends another 5 20 million for consultant driven foreign investments another 1.2 billion to undisclosed recipients 20 million on a new Sesame Street show in Iraq Federal Regulators cost Americans 1.9 trillion each year if this regulating cost was a country it alone would be the 12th largest economy in the world that this agency spends our money on our taxpayer dollars now this is just today now how much government waste is it Washington that they spend our money like drunken Sailors now I think that um as Citizens we should write our our our Congressman or whoever or Senators whatever tell them we're sick and tired of them spending our money the way they do now this is only one agency in Washington there's thousands of them so you could just imagine the government waste that you know spending our money they could be spending on American citizens or saving us in tax dollars now the second issue I would like to discuss is our local government now this is a new topic so do I get another five minutes on this no you do not you get five minutes in total five minutes total make it tough but anyway uh our local government how much overweight is the local government right here I mean are is there any way that we could cut our expenses lower our budget uh I think if if we did an analysis of our government Here Local Government we could find ways of saving money so the next question I have is and I've been trying to get an answer from the city manager's office or whoever I could and I still haven't had an answer yet how do we change our Charter so we could change our local government so there's more accountability to the people out here myself that pay the taxes in this town so how do we change the charter so we could change our government to make it more efficient and accountable and transparent that's about all I have to say I guess so I don't can you tell me I don't know how long I've been trying who to go to to get a stepbystep procedure how to change our Charter and how to change our city government I would assume that would be our City attorney um so originally there was a question with regard to how to run a charter revision so that's outlined in our Charter and I believe there has been correspondence from the clerk on how to change the charter with regarding to changing the form of government the recommendation was that if a citizen wanted to do that they would need to hire legal counsel because it's more than just a simple change in the charter it would be a restructure of most of the charter okay can I have an extension on my time no respond to what she said we're we're done for the evening I can't respond to what she said no your time is up good after yeah just like to say it's wrong we're done I have one public comment real quickly um I just want to thank the staff and the city manager coming up with a way to help our uh uh onshore in Treasure Island businesses come up with an idea recommended us for a uh special event permit so that is only good for nine days but that will come before the LPA at our next meeting and we'll be able to move these things along that will get some really damaged business able to open using temporary structures such as tents portable bathrooms um food trucks that type situation and uh that will get them up and running for nine days once it gets there for nine days it will come back before the city commission to extend that 9 days onto a more reasonable amount which of course who knows what it's going to need to be there's some businesses in this island that are going to take over a year to repair in my estimation so just want to thank everybody to for looking out for those businesses and uh we on the LPA are going to look forward to working with them and the city staff and commission to get this done and it's the same thing you mentioned earlier Chuck and that uh we just wanted to reiterate that that uh is going to be put in the works and thanks for making it happen so we are going to be um doing a special meeting can we include this request in that special meeting as well to move it along I'm sure we can let me take a look at it okay thank you if we're going to have a special meeting we might as well get all three of them out of out of the way absolutely discussion topic so we'll huddle tomorrow and take a look at that overall and get back with the commission and as much as we can consolidate to one special meeting or two special meetings to handle all the business great thank you tough for you all right we are adjourned