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good evening and welcome to the regular regular commission meeting meeting for February 18th I'd like to call this meeting to order now if we could please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge Al to the flag of
the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all city clerk please call the role commissioner to here commissioner krael
here commissioner minning here vice mayor Dicky here mayor doctor here thank you thank you approval of regular and workshop agendas does anybody have any changes um I had one I think mayor if we could with a change of
the agenda instead of doing the city manager report um at the workshop I'd like to know if the commission would entertain me doing it after the commission um excuse me reports is everybody objections yeah I'd ask for that it might answer any questions that
might arve great thank you yes so we will do that so you'll be right after uh myself thank you all right proclamations recognition certificates and uh appreciation and we
do have something today for the fire department don't be shy all right I'll get up to the microphone thank you mayor we appreciate you having us and and what we wanted to do today was publicly commit to our new mission and
vision statement and core values and I want to tell the commission and the public that these were developed by the firefighters themselves Lieutenant Roland headed up the the committee that did it so this is a statement of what we've always done and what we've always believed in we're putting it on paper
and codifying it and we're going to hang it where everyone can see it to hold us accountable to it and if you'll indulge me I'll just read it out here sure so the mission statement Treasure Island fire rescue is dedicated to protecting the lives property and environment of
our community we strive to provide exceptional emergency response fire prevention and safety education services with professionalism integrity and compassion through continuous training and Community engagement our fire
department is committed to Excellence for all who live work and visit our beautiful Coastal area that's our mission statement we have we have three core values at the fire department those are Integrity
professionalism and compassion Integrity is the Cornerstone of our fire department we uphold the highest ethical standards demonstrating honesty accountability and transparency in all of our actions our professionalism is defined
as our conduct and approach in the fire department we represent our community with honor and strive to be role models of excellence in all our interactions and responsibilities and finally compassion is at the heart of our fire department's Mission we approach every situation with
empathy understanding and kindness recognizing the emotional and physical needs of those we serve so this is basically what these men and women do on the road every day um it's what Chief Brennan Mercedes and I do up in the
office um on a regular basis every day so we wanted to cify it make it public and uh we'll hang one in the fire station one in fire Administration thank you very much couldn't have done better any I to thank you guys for for putting
this together for us thank all right next we have public comments for non-agenda items and I have one card Sarah Pennington hi there Sarah Pennington District 2 um there's been a lot of talk
l lately about residents who speak at these meetings 99% of it is positive but I um I get people thanking me for saying things that they're afraid to get up and say but there are a few people who characterize a residence like me who
speak out as negative or complainers and so I want to put on the record just one of the many examples of things that I see that must be acknowledged as symptoms of a core problem here at City Hall just recently at the last city council
meeting on February 7th at minute 33 and 36 seconds a resident asked if the changes to the terrain modification manual were addressing the $200,000 cost to comply with the program and was told by one commissioner there's no
$200,000 by another commissioner there's no $200,000 it's a madeup number as if that number was pulled out of thin air I have the slide right here from the terrain modification manual presentation that was shown In This Very Room on these
exact screens to all of you Commissioners and to us residents and it says the cost to comply is $193,600 so it's upsetting as a resident to see this happen um not only did the
Commissioners who said that to the resident have the incorrect information but it was just done in a very dismissive way and that is the thing that has been bothering us for quite some time some of the residents that are coming here to speak and it's very frustrating so I just want to publicly
say to people that call residents who speak up as negative or complainers that we need to bring these things to light if there are inaccuracies that we are being told from our own commission whether intentional or not we need to talk about it and that is a good
thing um it's not abuse it's not personal but uh gaslighting residents whether intentionally or not some could say is abuse on the actual residents so this isn't something that I enjoy doing I don't want to come here every other week and get up and talk about these things but unfortunately since the
storms there have been a lot of things to challenge from being told option two requires Title Basin substantial damage assessments from being told we've been doing option two all along but then also being told we don't have a system in place to do option two from being told
that the subtantial Dage assessments from Title Basin are reasonably accurate when we've all seen with our own eyes that's not the case those are just a few examples and these are things that have dramatically impacted residents lives some of them permanently so I'm hoping
after March 18th we'll have a lot less things to bring to light but I did want to put this in accuracy about the $200,000 madeup number is not a madeup number it's right here in the terrain modification manual and I also just want to encourage any resid to not be afraid
to get up and speak because it's important for us to have a healthy discourse and for our commissioners and unelected officials to hear the voices of our community thank you thank
you Cory this would be very brief you guys know that uh Mary Lou and I walk the beach every day and clean it up um what we've noticed is that we need to get the trash cans at every entrance
because there's a lot of trash cans missing and the other thing that's missing are the signs at every entrance that say no dogs you know allowed on the beach because we pick up dog poop twice a week or so you know on the on the beach so we just need
to get get this get the trash cans back and get the signs back thank you okay seeing nothing else we will close public comments and we'll move on to commission reports commissioner to all righty thank
you hello good evening um I just want to remind everyone it's National Library month so and remember that our library is open and some of the programs are starting back up for example this week the knitting Circle and meditation start back up Thursday for the knitting Circle
and Friday for the medit meditation um after meditation Friday it'll be the chili cook off night and that should get you all fired up um congratulations to our fire department for their mission
statements uh mission statement is an amazing statement from our fire and it is truly Compassionate Care that they give to our residents and and our visitors uh I fortunately or unfortunately had the
experience of having them come out and they've really taken very good care of my family and I want to say thank you that's all thank you commissioner Crable yes thank you master mayor um
I've heard several comments from the residents and I had and it was troubling me with the amount of money that was being said so tonight I'd just like to share a couple little items that I would
have been working on since yesterday I got a print out from the vendor history for advanced engineering and design Inc and this print out goes from October 1st of
2015 to January 28th 2025 in that I will agree that the state that it has we spent to that vendor $ 1,46
th000 it has been expressed at times that sometimes it's been that was the amount that we paid to the vendor sometimes it's been expressed that's how much we spent on terrain modification I went by by the accounts
that they had on there we spent out of that 1.4 milon $244,000 went to the east Causeway the lift station rehabs was $316,000 the BMP storm water was
$331,000 and then the Force main repairs was $53,000 and then the npdes manual report was $50,000 just those five items came to $964 however and I will agree that
leaves us with $452,000 that has been used part of that for terrain modifications there are some other items in there smaller ones like um the um subsurface uh re-engineering for along Golf Boulevard and the
beautification uh and some other things but I feel like just about anything that has the word resiliency on it was basically the terrain modification and that is a lot of money but I just wanted to make it clear to the
residents that we have not spent $1.4 million just on terrain modification and I just wanted to clear that up that you know I I dug into this I didn't have an I didn't get it electronically so I had to do it manually and stuff but I just
wanted to report that to you so that we had a true picture I and like I said sometimes it said that we had it that we spent that much on terrain modification and sometimes it was stated that's what we spent to the vendor when we use it on what we spent to the vendor 1.4 million
is correct but it wasn't altering modification thanks thank you commissioner minning thank you mayor uh first off let me continue to express my thanks to uh the staff um city manager
and staff for the excellent work you're doing and getting out the uh permits I think our city manager is going to give you an update on that um which I got this morning and uh they put a smile on my face as to uh how much progress has
been made so many thanks to you all for for doing that um second thing is for those of you who used to have mail and ballots it's no longer valid um whatever I don't know what they did if they got lost in the flood or
whatever but you need to reapply uh you can go online and do it it's pretty simple but uh if you on the mail and ballot list before you're not on it now so just a reminder to uh I think the deadline for that's the 27th
yes somebody yes thank you um so you still got a little time but not much that's all I have thank you commissioner dicki the only thing I have is to talk about uh parking Revenue I've been concerned about that and rais that as an issue uh at a couple of other meetings
uh the city gets roughly if you spread it out equally over the year about $183,000 a month in parking revenue and uh to my knowledge this is the only place right across uh right across from City Hall that we are currently charging
for for parking uh the two big parking lots uh down on Sunset Beach uh very very busy these on the weekends uh we're still not getting any revenue from that so I asked the uh city manager to address that and what the plan is to
start charging for parking again in those two parking lots but I'd also like to ask that we uh uh either do some more patrolling or get some better signage out there because in those two parking lots and and particular one at the Pavilion
uh there are it's quite frankly you see cars and pick pickup trucks driving on the beach up on the burn uh and it's uh and usually it's Sunset they because they they pull into the parking lot they can't see the sunset but if they pull their vehicle up on the on the burn
there they can uh get a beautiful view of the sunset but it's I'm concerned because there are lots of people walking those Burns and on the other side so we need to uh somehow deal with uh deal with those vehicles uh doing that so we get that done here shortly i' appreciate
that that's all I have thank you commissioner dicki uh my report tonight um first of all uh last Saturday was a a big day for the uh the Lions Club um they celebrated their 100th anniversary
the reason that I bring that up is one they uh they asked me to be a guest um and two um they talk about their beach house and I don't know if any of you have ever talked to anybody that's in the liance club but their beach house
was right down there next to caddies and it was destroyed and a matter of fact uh last Saturday when uh when we went to dinner uh the uh the heavy equipment had already pulled in and started knocking down the beach house and uh there were
even a couple of Tears In The Crowd uh that they had had for so long along and uh and so I just wanted to bring it up that it meant a lot to a lot of the folks both in St Petersburg and here in Treasure Island and um and it it was a special event and a great event so I I
really appreciate it so um couple of other things there is a couple of letters three letters actually that are circulating uh at both the state level and the federal level the first one was from commissioner Peters and Kathleen
Peters basically uh wrote a excellent letter that talked about Beach Dre nourishment and about the core of army engineers and the help that we need and uh so I I basically want to give her a um a shout out because it was uh
excellent uh the letter and um and that uh so many people basically had been able to see it both at state level and the federal level and uh it it meant a lot to her and it means a lot to all of us cuz we're right here on the beach so so she did a great job also The Big C
and The Big C if people don't know is basically the meeting of the Mayors uh on the coastal properties uh of all the cities um we sent out two letters uh the first letter was once again it would talked about Beach Tre nourishment and
the second letter talked about what was happening uh here uh after 4 and a half months and that uh that we uh suffered two major hurricanes and that uh that we're hoping for some uh some
relief um and that relief comes in a couple of different ways hopefully we can do it through the bureaucracy and all the red tape and uh president Trump basically had mentioned that in uh in his speeches out in California and in North
Carolina um the other thing is that uh that we wanted to uh bring in all of the uh the money that is available out there so there is $813 million available
to pelis uh St Petersburg uh basically took their piece and they they're out of it but uh so we what we're looking for is uh to move forward on redeveloping uh a big portion of our infrastructure uh hopefully our buildings and so forth and
uh I just want everybody to know that uh yes the the government did have some money out there and like I said it's not small dollars it's 113 million and uh so we're going to be one of the first to raise our hand and we're going to make sure that uh that we get what we can and
um and I think that uh it will set us uh going forward uh on a a new step and uh basically uh begin to rebuild the city so that's all I have and now we'll take uh over to uh the City
attorney okay I just have a a very brief report and this is just something to make sure that you all were aware of it um the as you know the legislative session is starting and there are bills that have been filed including House Bill 301 and the reason why I want to
bring this one to your attention is because it does um it's proposing to change the limits of sovereign immunity so right now um for Tor claims such as like accidents things of that nature um
negligence actions your current limits under State Statute are 200 to per person or 300 per occurrence if this bill were to pass it would change the limits to 1 million per person and 3 million per occurrence so from the standpoint of understanding the
city's liability in in an accident right now the cap of that would be 300 per occurrence whereas if the new law passed it could be 3 million per occurrence I anticipate that this um if it passes this City will at a minimum experience
um an increase in insurance rates so I've asked um I've talked to Chuck about it and to Jessica about it and see if they could get a handle on what that might look like but I just wanted to bring to your attention that this bill is out there and um I'll kind of keep it apprised as we go through the legislative
session thank you thank you city manager thank you mayor and Commissioners uh commissioner Dicky before I start you know you had brought up the uh parking Revenue piece and we are you know steadily attacking that just so you know the lot across the
street has been signed and we are charging for parking there the signs that we had ordered most of them came in correct but not all of them did so we are posting signs at appropriate um parking lots in other locations and just slowly rolling out as we get signs we're
notifying and letting people know that we're doing um paid parking you know we are also implementing the license plate recognition so with it some of the other new signage there's going to be a request for people you know not to uh back in so that you can see the Florida license plat since it's only visible on
the back of the vehicle that doesn't mean that people will get tickets automatically because they've backed in or anything like that but we're slowly working to get the paid parking Revenue back to be a sust sustainable Source okay you know I've told that we should anticipate to have all the lots and all
the areas signed and open by no later than the end of next week if everything works out oh great good news thank you sure thank you if I could pass on Public Public Works wanted me to let everybody know that the beach Trail wall repairs are continuing and the trail should be
completed with lights by the end of June of this year also irrigation has been prepped for the installation over roselli park playground and will be installed at the same time as the irrigation Zone here in TI Park excess sand has been removed from the south end
of lot two and the irrigation lines have been installed for the parking lot down there in Sunset Beach also Public Works asked me to pass on that an RFQ for design and Engineering Services to reconstruct the master Pump Station and Public Works facility was posted this
RFQ closes out March 26 and RFQ is uh requests for quotes Public Works is also working on a semar solicitation which is a construction manager at risk it differs slightly from traditional project delivery approaches such as design build where you have two
contracts that could be combined in the sear the design and the construction are two separate contracts and consideration for final selection is based on more than than just the lowest total construction cost with semar the construction manager is committed to delivering the project with a guaranteed
maximum price the construction manager also acts as a consultant on the project to the project owner during the development and design phases and during construction they act as a general contractor over in fire chief bars attended the Congressional fire services
Institute annual meeting in Washington DC DC and met with Florida Congressional members to advocate for fire service initiatives including included in some of those discussions were FEMA restructuring and federal Disaster Response
funding Chief also is meeting this Wednesday in Tallahassee with some of our state legislators legislators excuse me to advocate for the city $6 million budget request for construction of a replacement Public Safety facility and finally the annual live fire training was completed over the last two weeks
for all the firefighters with all shifts being able to participate if you look at the video that Jason had Jason bisel our public information officer he produce and he posted out on the fire department Facebook page I think you'll be amazed at some of the actions that were completed over in the police department
the step program which is the selected traffic enforcement program resulted in 48 traffic citations and 63 written warnings during this period areas of concentration included the Treasure Island Causeway St James bridge and areas along Gulf
Boulevard Captain Barkley and cap excuse me Chief Barkley and Captain Sav are not here this evening but they will be traveling to St Augustine tomorrow to accept their departmental re accreditation award Thursday morning they were supposed to receive the award back in October but we had a couple of storms that got in the way and they had
to cancel that in delayed until now over in park and Rick John morone dog park will be closed for maintenance February 24th through March 3rd and for a couple of upcoming events I was asked to pass on that summer camp registration for TI residents and 2024 returning families is
available online March 3rd back to the beach sand and Kites and Coastal Delights will be March 8th and 9th from 10:00 a.m. to 6: p.m. and we will have an iconic giant sand sculptures excuse me sculptures and A Sky Full of kites taking place on the beach a reminder the
golf course at Treasure Bay is closed until further notice for completion of the living Shore project and as of February 10th we have limited tennis clay courts as well as pickleball courts open for playing instruction over in Community Development as of February 15th the city
was able to launch workshops with Renee and I don't know if the commission had heard about that but an employee Renee gosh I'm gonna get her letter T tarano or tsano came up with an idea where what she would do is host individual
workshops for individuals who are coming in to do their permits but what she asked is for people to come in before the permit application so she could sit down and walk them through and guide them through the actual permit application process she was answering permit applications assisting with the
forms and explaining the process she does this workshop on Monday and Wednesday from 9:00 to 1 at City Hall Community Development Department also continues to work hard at processing the permits and I'm proud to say that the applications being submitted broke the
2200 number Mark the applic for permits had went to 2239 permits as of Monday the permits that were issued is 1572 and the per currently we have only excuse me 59
permits that are in review if you go back to a few weeks ago we had almost 500 permits that were in review and the city allowed us excuse me the community allowed us to close for a week so we could concentrate on taking care of those permits to get them out of the review phase and to get them processed
through and I'm proud to say that has gone from there down to this number 59 and that 59 also includes the permits that have come in since we've reopened after being closed for that week on the substantial damage determination side we're up to 1322 letters that have been
sent out talking to title Bas and there said they are pushing to have all of the residential information to the city potentially by next week we don't know if it's going to go to be at the county first or be sent directly to the city but they put it date that they're going to have it done by the the end of this
week we just don't know if we'll be in receipt of it by the end of this week over in administration I'd like to pass on from the economic development side of the house the small business administration representatives are still here in pellis County at the St
Petersburg colleges epicenter they're available to meet with local business owners and residents who are seeking to take advantage of SBA lowest disaster loans as they rebuild the grace period for the physical damage loans ends Mar March 8th and the deadlines for economic
injury loans is 30 June as I had notified the Commission in an email I think it was earlier this week I formed a rebuild TI working group the idea behind the rebuild TI working group was one that I didn't come up with but it was a Community member who
forwarded the idea up to the mayor the Commissioners and myself this re rebuild TI working group is using to leverage our community's experience and expertise to pursue the $813 million in cdbg Disaster Recovery grants that the
mayor mentioned and penel County was awarded this group includes myself Sher Cohen Ardon dicki Peter donat Tony Mark hoey Ginger Cooper and our economic development director Joan Goodrich we
held an initial meeting yesterday discussed business rules and quickly agreed on many items including who we wanted to have come talk to us or us go talk to them also we found increasingly quickly the increasing need for an experienced grant writing resource the
team members also agreed to lead specific cdbg Focus areas with the lead for housing being ardan dicki and ginger goer the lead for infrastructure being Peter donaton the lead for economic revitalization being Joan Goodrich and
ardan dicki and Mark Hoy will be leading our lessons learned with Lee County as Lee County went through this process approximately a year to a year and a half ago and they they've come up with an action plan and they're the most recent Community so Mark is digging into what Lee County had done and looking for
their best practices that we can take advantage of we left the meeting with assignments for our next meeting and I'll continue to provide the commission and the community updates via the city manager report or scheduled workshops finally we were contacted last week that FEMA has reached out to
introduce a new flood plane management crew leader her name is name is Katie Rand Katie and her team will be visiting all the in impacted communities along the coast in the coming weeks and we'll meet with t excuse me and we'll meet with ti staff to introduce themselves
and discuss substantial damage determinations and storm damage permit issuance time frames for special flood Hazard Area locations that's all I have thank you thank you very much all right we're moving on
to our consent agenda so three items on the consent agenda and rather than suggest uh or uh put in a motion for all three together I'm going go ahead and read the individual three just so everybody knows what we're approving since it's written that way as well it's it's written on
each one the move to approve each but that's just what the motion is in general but it's if you move to approve the consent agenda all of those motions are approved as written okay all right I moved to approve the consent agenda do we have a second second
second okay so let's go to uh public comment and I have one uh Andrew vassie um Andrew VY District 2 um tonight's consent agenda is a story of laziness it's lazy on the staff to have
not put out a new RFP P after 5 years and to Simply take these items that go from October of 2019 and extend them into years six and seven for on Call contracts it's lazy of this commission
to not challenge or understand the this failure by staff and instead sweep it up in a consent agenda it's lazy of us the residents to allow this to happen cuz no one's been watching how staff was failing on this and the commission's looking the other
way the residents are engaged now all these contracts need to be replaced with a new RFP not a seven-year no procurement process which is what you have enabled these actions violate Florida
procurement statutes and as you approve items like the recent funding of advanced engineering and design for more work on Elevate TI you show your intentions to use them for reviewing you're also going to use AED
for reviewing the future ordinance submittal after you pass Elevate TI they're in line for another contract through their on call okay so um one of the Commissioners went through and said well it's only $400,000 for L of ATI
that's terrific so let's put some perspective on that if you're paying 10,000 a year in property taxes is you've got to pay for 40 years of taxes to pay back for what you all spent on elevati so you could write memos about
making our houses less desirable to live in and how you could impose hundreds of thousands of dollars of costs on us if we want to elevate because you don't do the work that's required to replace your engineers and update your agreements you
have seven years of hourly rates that no one has looked at you've allowed these rates to escalate for seven years when you approved this tonight on this first round of them you put no rfps out and you simply tried to sweep it along from
a five-year agreement to a seven-year agreement and put it on a consent agenda and that should be unacceptable to you as Commissioners from what your staff is giving you for a level of effort and for being diligent of our of how you spend our money because once you put these on
call agreements in place you then go and hand out the list that commissioner krabble read of all the work that's been handed to AED and continues to be handed with no procurement and no opportunity for any other Engineers to come in here
because you won't do your job so I'm here to say that the this consent agenda should be rejected your staff should be charged with putting together an RFP and all of this should be put back out it's been over 5 years and you're about to sign people up for seven
years with no procurement thank [Applause] you Dana are you uh ready to speak sure I didn't know if you were this Workshop or if it's actually the consent agenda no it's uh General comment okay
thank you oh no you can come up for General comments there I'm sorry Dana ball Isa Palms just like to share my concern about the disconnect between the building department and the residents have a lot of my friends all my friends are trying to rebuild rebuild
coming up with certain hiccups and seems like perine's getting better which is just super exciting uh my husband and I have been thinking about elevating our house with the second story for years and after being completely flooded and losing everything like everyone else here we
decided to take action and go with that and we've had met with Structural Engineers have tests done uh we're currently going through soil testing uh We've an architect so we arranged a pre permit
meeting and we did not meet with the people we were scheduled to meet with apparently they had been double booked or something if they would have reached out to me that would have been fine we could have found another time to do the teams meeting which I thought was a great idea but then when my husband myself and our
permit coordinator got on the teams meeting the two people from the fil building official did not have their video on and in the corporate world that's pretty disrespectful so I was a little taken back by that to start off with as I had
written as asked I was I wrote about why we wanted to uh build a second story on our house at great detail and apparently that was read prior to meeting as soon as they asked us again why we wanted to elevate and said well we can't afford to
tear down and rebuild um by the way my husband's a licensed contractor in the State of Florida and a few other states he's been building homes for 40 years anywhere from production home builder to $40 million homes in the Bahamas he's very talented and very very well
equipped so his idea was to let's build this second story 100% FEMA compliant we have hurricane windows and doors that we can move up um same thing you know garage doors can stay down we're very much for getting out of the flood zone
and we're doing our best to do so right off the bat we were challenged on a second story and immediately told just tear down repeatedly through the meeting and we said it's cost prohibitive for us we're we're just not there then we were
told well then you elevate why just Elevate just Elevate I said well actually that's Co cost prohibitive too so sever of our friends are choosing to do that we also aren't very fond of the architecture of how it looks that's our personal opinion but it is
also more than we actually thought it would be we got a couple quotes it's extremely expensive it's not what we want to do we want to be FEMA compliant and a design of our own that follows the exact same footprint that our house
currently has no additional room um I was also told uh that our plans did not follow the original footprint that there was a section of the back of the house that was not included in public records which it was which our permit uh
coordinator held up and showed the other two faceless attendees and at one point during that whole conversation one of the two attendees said to my husband well it sounds like it's an income problem which we were
deeply deeply offended by and I was shocked that that actually came out of someone's mouth it's not their business and to say something like that was just revolting you know my husband really knows what he's doing he Built Homes
that's that in the Bahamas for seven years they I don't know if you're all familiar with hurricane Dorian it was the tied with the strongest hurricane to hit the Atlantic in history about three of the homes that he had built out of 200 were severely
damaged um and those were Ocean Front properties at the at a very tip of a point um it was crazy so he really does know how to build to standards he's and we're very concerned about that we want to be 100% Fe FEMA
compliant um then during the the confrontation well we weren't confrontational but what we felt was being confrontational towards us uh an area that's a covered patio we would like to be a elevat
uh balcony at this point and we were told that it wasn't permitted it's been there since we got there uh the person who we purchased the house from as a licensed contractor in Florida also has a very successful company don't know why he would not permit that because he permitted the rest of the house and I
made that comment and I was told I bet you he tried to sneak something by us I said I don't think that's worth his license to do that it's just it just it doesn't strike me as something that contractor would do and he's built a lot in Treasure Island and the
surrounding Beach communities so he knows the the troubles we were also told sorry just give me a couple more seconds we were also told that there is a local city mandate that all homes being reconstructed or newly built require
pilings I know of three homes that do not that have been added second and third stories that do not have pilings and I know of a relatively new home on Bay place that was built built with Footers as as what we would do our Footers are very strong and we're
willing to add more Footers and we were told absolutely not I can't find that city ordinance says that we need pilings pilings at a serious serious serious cost increase to building the home and with engineering reports and soil testing saying that Footers are
absolutely fine and FEMA says footings are F and we were told absolutely not then I asked we were told we needed variant for the back por and the pilings I asked how do we do that and was told well I don't know I said wait I don't understand how you don't know how do we
go about doing this we I don't know I'll get back to you I've yet to hear back anything from the building department and it just seems to me like another block of people trying to elevate their homes and do the right thing and it's severely disappointing thank you thank you
Dana do it okay are is there any other public comments uh on the consent agenda okay hearing then we'll close public comments and uh I have discussion just a
just a comment to Mr vas's statement um about renewal of uh continuing service contracts um all that is is a license to hunt it gets you in the game any expenditure
of public money off of that has to come before the commission for approval so it's a license to hunt it gets you in the game but it doesn't guarantee that you're going to get any of that money it has to come back before the commission
so I think that was a b a little bit misleading in that in that reference you made and I'd like to add a little bit to that as as well uh everything that's on the consent agenda at least I'm sure that the other Commissioners do it as
well but when we meet once a week with the city manager we review everything on the consent agenda we talk about it we ask questions about it uh if we're uncomfortable with it we talk with the city manager about it at that time and we don't just arbitrarily just rubber
stamp these things we challenge it we ask questions we push back uh before it ever gets on the consent agenda so I I would like to add that but having said that I would also like to I caught everybody's attention having said that
that's why I did feel better about reading these individual uh uh motions as opposed to Collective because there there are three different types and and only one of the three that that are on the consent agenda are renewing contracts the other
two are uh executing a contract but not an existing so uh if it's if you guys are okay I wouldn't mind reading I would appreciate reading all three of them unless there's a problem with the Motions it's up to you if you want to
read them um the other thing is is that generally if you have an item that um the commission doesn't want to handle as consent you can always pull it from consent it then becomes an action item and you can discuss it in the in the Motions incurred but if you want to read them into the record you can if if I
could I just I for for for transparency think I think it's a good idea anyway the first one is I moved to approve the city manager to execute the attached contract reinstatements and extensions from kimley horn half Associates Jones Edmonds and Associates and their
Associated disciplines that's one of them another one is I move that the city commission approve approval of expenses to USA voltage LLC for the installation of concrete post to replace and elevate
the South and North 200 amp service that supplies power to the beach wall for a total amount of $120,000 and then the third I move to approve and authorize the city manager to execute the tourism promotion agreement with pelis County on behalf of
visit St Petersburg clear water for the back of for the back to beach sand and Kites and Coastal Delights events on March 8th and 9th 2025 so those are the three things that were on the consent agenda that that I had
made a motion that we approve the consent agenda items okay and I'll second we have we already have a motion in the second uh is there any further discussion no please call the role vice mayor dicki
I commissioner toss I commissioner Kel I commissioner menning I mayor doctor I thank you All Right Moving On We're moving on to now items of business uh request to approve ordinance
20251 C temporarily expanded time frame for special events Katherine this is actually first reading so let me read the title apologize ordinance 20 25-01 an ordinance of the city of
Treasure Island Florida amending chapter 68 zoning regulations of the city of Treasure Islands code of ordinances by amending section 68- 571 special event permit to allow for certain extended special events for a
limited time in the aftermath of hurricane Helen and Milton so that businesses May begin temporary operations providing for severability providing for conflict providing for codification and providing for an effective date good evening mayor and
Commissioners um in response to the extreme damage caused to structures in the city in the wake of three hurricanes in 2024 which damaged most structures in the city staff has recommended the changes outlined in the ordinance to allow businesses to operate on a
temporary basis while the permanent structures are being repaired the policy and purpose is to provide relief to business owners in the post storm reconstruction environment and we have brought forward a change to the special event section of
chapter 68 um our Land Development regulations for special events they are currently defined as an approved activity that can be either recurring or non-recurring your usually for a short duration of time and usually
is an entertainment education cultural or neighborhood event including but not limited to activities such as organized neighborhood yard sales block parties wedding receptions on the beach spaghetti dinners special Beach events Beach
cleanups outdoor concerts and movies outdoor morning markets bazaars parades and carnivals um these are usually events that are outside the normal operating experience of the the primary business on site uh these events are currently
limited to a duration of nine days and two four events per year for City businesses uh this ordinance proposes to extend that approval to allow businesses to operate a special event for up to 6
months allowing two three Monon extensions uh to that upon request for instance restaurant would have maybe food trucks tents restroom trailers um an operation of that type which would be set up one of the caveats
in the ordinances um they would be subject to all conditions of approval which would include noise lighting parking all of the typical things we look at in a special event every day um one of the caveats would be uh anything portable has to be removed from the
island in case of uh storm warning uh that applies to a lot of uh existing businesses now that have say a restroom trailer on the beach or a temporary restroom trailer in another location so that's not unusual it's a FEMA requirement and something we do
day-to-day already so the actual time exemp exemption language is under the part that says you may only have four per year uh of N9 days each and it says the specific time exemption um allows to continue for six
6 month duration with an option for three 1mon extensions through February 18th 2026 as long as the building containing the principal use is not operational on the property and repair or replacement of the building is
in the permitting process or is under construction so those are the caveats there okay any questions yeah I do um under section c number six regulation of lighting um if
this carries over into Turtle season Turtle lighting PR prevails correct that would Prevail and that would be if it's a beach event that would be a specific criteria that staff would put in the special con special approval conditions okay thank
you Katherine is this a temporary change to the existing regulations or a permanent change it's temporary through a year from now um the way it's proposed now okay thank you with renewals they through they could only
request these renewals through a year from now so the six months plus the two three months would take a business through the year thank you is there a reason that we didn't you know with being here on the beach you know we could see other problems uh is
there a reason that we wouldn't make this a uh a full full-blown full-time uh you giving it going forward and not putting a year on it well the concern is that uh typical business on the beach would already only have enough parking
for the business would only have enough operational capacity to do something like this um it was meant to be a fill-in post hurricane while the businesses get back up and running was the
intent okay Mr Mayor were you kind of thinking along the lines that we'd make it permanent a have it as a permanent change to the ldrs and everything so that if we had another hurricane and that type of thing
is that where you were really trying to go with that yes and what we need to do is uh be quicker on you know we waited four months until we we've done something so we just need to be acting a little quicker so if we'd have another disaster you know that uh we could get
something put in place uh so they could open up even sooner than what we're doing now then my question would be how could we get this going for them ASAP but then still make it a permanent change to
correct that's that would be my question at this point because we don't want to hold them up anymore we want them to be able to be open and get business going I mean it's their livelihood and it's our res those of us living here we want them back too I mean I don't want to cook all
the time but but but I could see where a permanent marker on that would be I think that would be a smart move so did you want to address it or I'll address it sure either way we'll
probably say the same thing um so in in trying to move forward as quick as possible this is first reading so this would give um the fastest relief would be to go ahead if you wanted to and pass this and then have second reading how however hearing the commission's concern
we could always revise the ordinance to provide that when um under the state of emergency when a Comm you know when the commission has declared state of emergency by resolution they could affect they could impact this you know they could have put this into effect and
so that way it would be in the ordinance already just like in our fee schedule we have that you can wave the fees for extraordinary circumstances by resolution we could enact that provision by or you know activate I should say that provision by resolution in the
future okay will that slow down this process at all if we stopped this one to amend to say that yes if we go forward with this one and then run a subsequent Amendment recognizing that no okay is that yes so that's what you'd
like to do is take this forward I'm assuming to the second reading and then we will put in some language in a subsequent ordinance that will allow it to be changed by resolution yes absolutely thank you goodbody's good okay I move to
approve Ordinance 2025-the do we have any public comment yes Marcus good evening uh Marcus when 8:30 Capri Boulevard and owner of caddies and Treasure Island um I just want to thank
the city manager Katherine and Joan for putting this together getting this in front of you guys cuz this is going to help out a lot of families a lot of people ready to come back to work and uh you know we got quite a bit of damage down there we're lucky enough we have
space where we can do this do it safely provide parking and it would be the future for us for as a business so I just appreciate and all the Commissioners who I talked to your support I really appreciate it so thank you thank you
Marcus any other public comment seeing none we're going to close public comment and any discussion no for the commission no y okay roll call please vice mayor dicki I commissioner Toth hi commissioner krael I commissioner
minning I mayor doctor I thank you all right that was our last item in in the uh the commission uh agenda uh we're going to adjourn this but uh please nobody leave unless you really
have to because let's let's uh get to the next item in the workshop and we'll move forward so as of now we're adjourn e e e e e
every okay good evening and welcome to the commission workshop for February 18th 2025 I'd like to call this meeting to order first item of business well we've already did the City attorney city
manager report so we can move right on to discussion of the item we have one item tonight and it is a discussion on waving additional permit fees and we will be having a PowerPoint presentation so tonight we have a quick
uh presentation based on the commission asking uh staff to come back and discuss additional fee waivers uh other than the ones that have previously been passed so we're going to go through what we've already have in place what other cities are doing what the financial impact is
and leave that to the commission for discussion so thank you at the city commission meeting on February 7th the city commission approved resolution 2020 503 which extended the previously approved fee waivers for interior demolition of
flood damaged drywall flooring baseboards and cabinets fence installation tree removal roof repair and replacement electrical for meter bases and power surges on appliances and added a fee waver for all permit and
plan examination fees associated with repair or demolition of storm damaged residential and commercial buildings but not including any accessory structures the all of the above fee waivers are in place through May 31st of this year and
in addition the city commission requested that any fees previously paid for the above permits be rebated from the period of September 27th 2024 through February 6th of 2025 the commission that they requested a workshop to discuss waiver of
additional fees the ones that were specifically mentioned were elevating an existing structure or replacement I.E new construction for of a storm damage structure uh what fees have other cities
waved uh pinel's county has storm recovery repair permits except for repairs related to outside amenities uh St PE Beach we pretty much have the same language that they do we borrowed that um St Petersburg has Demolition and
repair of properties damaged by Hurricane belir beach has all residential permits Clearwater has building plan review and permit fees but as you can see many of these have already expired or very close to expiring expiring in the next month or
so and a lot of the Cities uh or County panel's County and City of St Petersburg and city of Clearwater are not primarily in a flood plane as Treasure Island is 100% of our revenues are coming from probably flood damaged properties
right um as we discussed last time the use of building fees is uh restricted by the state of Florida these funds are used to pay for salaries fringe benefits contracted Building Services and operating expenses directly related to building inspection permitting and
building related activities I'm going to leave this to Mike our finance person to talk about the financial impact go forward once up there whoops
no one moment yeah [Music] you can tell I was not the uh Audio Tech Guy okay okay now what okay so just the arrows so
ah um let's go back one I think you went too far going the wrong way oh we have a duplicate slide that's why okay well I can walk you through this this is just an example of a fee based on a
permit value work of about $200,000 building fee is $53 and then about $11 per thousand uh in this example of 200,000 so that'd be
2 2200 bucks zoning permits 35 zoning review flood plane permit flood plane review and so that rolls up to uh 2358 then there's a state uh search charge of 1 and 1 a
half% um and that rolls up to uh 2417 I got a mic sorry okay so you might remember this chart from last meeting but I've updated it um through January year to
date we've uh the building fund has collected $418,000 has spent expenditures of $370 uh with a surplus of about $48,000 and at the end of the month had
about $866,000 in cash at the end of January February through September uh like uh Katherine said uh it's very difficult to estimate post post
hurricane what the forward movement is going to be on that but um I looked at a lot of historical data and came up with my best estimate um the expenditures so for the February through September estimate I've got 369
um expenditures or 719 essentially that's compounded by you know the additional spending for contract work and so forth for the B permit uh for the permitting and leaving us a deficit of about
350 350,000 so full year the deficit would be $32,000 now starting with the $866,000 you subtract 302 we've got refunds estimated refunds
of March through May of 135,000 and we're looking at just refunds alone of $471,000 so between the two uh we're we're going to be an exess well in well over
$500,000 and estimated cash balance at the end of the year is about a negative 42 and by by my Reckoning right now we go negative in August Mike Mike let me ask a question about this slide uh this assumes we
don't get any uh reimbursed reimbursable expenses on the expense side because you you're showing a a 1, 189,000 in expenditures for the full year where historically we were running around 718 or 730 right so so there it appears it
might be as much as 360,000 of reimbursable expenses there is that possibly but I can't count on that I mean that would be a footnote but I can count on it but I don't know I can count on it this year that's the
that's the kicker because we all know that FEMA is they'll they'll pay but they're slow down okay right so so this is a conservative asent for sure um because I do not believe in sugar
coating anything sure so um that's why I've talked about you know the CDL and some other options to have uh in our Hip Pocket so to speak should we get to the point where we need to fund the building fund then we'll have the capacity to do
that and we'll have it you know all the proper amendments and charters in place in order to do that okay and the other question I would have is on the revenue side does this assume that we continue not continue but
we charge for uh permit fees for elevating houses and ites it for the for the for the period of time I'm assuming zero fees for that through through May zero
because I don't have the data to to tease out like new builds or anything and and frankly I don't know if any new builds are going on right now but then post post May it's it's a lower but it's a it's more business as usual type of
Permitting uh scenario okay thank you so your projections there did not include or did include revenues from elevating and they do include correct okay so if we were to do something this evening that says we're going to exclude
those then you would have to adjust I would have to adjust but then I would have to figure out how much we're looking at because I don't have that data at my fingertips okay thank you at this point I can't tell you okay so as we discussed last time there
are um options for replenishment of the fund which is basically jumping ahead to what we were just talking about um those would be potential reimbursements uh through FEMA 1206 that is just for permitting cost so that it
would be uh person and say software licensing and those kind of things that we've spent in order to you know upgrade the staff um upgrade the number of staff that we have working we have a lot more software licenses than we had at the beginning of
the year um the community disaster loan transferring funds in from the general fund a loan from the general fund or increasing fees on applicants in future years and I just wanted to give you some more information on the 126 program for
people who are not U as familiar as we have become with this program uh under femos 126 program fdm has been providing additional staff for review of permits related to storm damage and to date these staff have been provided at no
cost to the city and are 100% covered through March 26 for damages from hen and through April 9th for damages related to Hurricane Milton our representative ative is trying to have the state combine everything into
hurricane Milton which might give us a little more time but that decision has not come down yet as to whether that's going to happen um and any of these Personnel Who Remain after those dates would be paid for by the city um currently we have three permit tax four
administrative support people two property appraisers and two cost estimators from the state teams and we also have our existing Consultants from Mt CLE safebuilt and Joe pay JPI which are both uh firms that we have
continuing service contract with um for storm recovery right now all of our Personnel are from cly safe belt and those are reimbursed at 75% under uh this 126 program as well as the Jacobs contract that the commission has
approved um maybe it reimbursed up to 75% but as we noted those we're coming to to the end of that reimbursement for the 126 specific so we'll leave it up to the commission discussion
right okay so here would you like to go Bob go ahead um okay so may don't go away I don't know excuse me directors could you come back up thank you yeah thank you very much uh we have
what fees are other cities waving and it looks as though like St Petersburg is Demolition and repair properties damag during the hurricane um Belair Beach all residential structures so when we when we're taking a look at that all residential structures is does that
include let's take a example of that the home has uh has to be knocked down and the build the homeowner is going to rebuild that home would we be waving or would they be waving I guess is what I'm really asking would they be waving the
fees for the Reconstruction of the home it is not clear in the way that they wrote it but that expired on 1231 of 24 and if it's anything like us we probably had maybe one or two permits in for reconstruction at that point
okay I went into each one of these City websites to get clarification because it wasn't clear if any of these Exempted uh from permit fees if they Exempted elevating or building new homes uh and I couldn't find any additional information uh that would
help uh support what we might be talking about here tonight okay so yeah it's a little fusing it is it is yes um question to date uh what kind of fees have been paid to the city
for elevating raising a home Andor um a redo rebuild any idea access you need to speak into you need to come up to the
mic commissioner I don't have access to that uh information I'd have to dive into to the whole permitting database type of thing and that would be that'd be a lot of work I'd have to figure that out this is all
from the accounting side of the world so and we don't collect that level of detail in the accounting records Katherine is that available so I know that that is a question we would have to manually count those because those are permits that are interwoven
with all the with all the permit for um new construction or rebuild so we could we could probably we could definitely go and find out but it's not a report I could run we would literally have to go through the permits and tabulate them
okay I would think that information ought to be valuable to the commission if we're going to to make a decision if we're going to wave it and go retroactive yeah so how do we get that we could bring it back to you at another meeting or email have it emailed to you we can
collect it and email it out to you otherwise we I don't like that you know commissioner if you could take a look at you know what what has been presented tonight and if you come up with questions we'll get the information together and bring it back to the next
Workshop so you do have that answer decision can be made if you could separate those out for us um we will be interested to see how many demo permits have been issued I'll get my green eye shades compare that to
how many rebuilds and then how many elevates uh have been issued and see if there's a gap between those demo permits and then the ones that have already been issued okay the city manager gave me
some information last week as of February 12th there were 47 uh demo permits complete demo permits issued in 18 St that have been approved approved and another 18 that were under review so how many rebuilds I didn't get
I didn't ask for that okay and I didn't have it at that time okay but but I would assume anybody tearing it down somebody's intending to rebuild on that we would assume it be correct but we we wouldn't know how many of those homes that were torn down were different
owners than the owners when the storm hit that's true too well that's a good point so we could make that could couldn't we address that as the person that paid the Demolition and if it's a new resident then rebuilding it would be
a separate category could yeah I if you're saying that you would only rebate to the owner at the time of the storm or is that I don't know I'm what just the proposal would be um I
don't know is that legally well I guess myip versus fee so I think what they're saying is whether it was the owner directly or their agent because they may have had a contractor come in and and
get the permit but the thought being is that it would be at the time that the permit was entered back then not for new owners coming in now yeah yeah I I yeah believe that's what we're saying yes I think what the
mayor's saying is we don't want to pay speculators who've come in and snapped up a lot um knowing full well that they might get this permit reimbursed and I think it should fall with the oh I'm getting some funny
looks um I I just don't think double dipping like that is appropriate well I can also tell you I know of at least one example where a person sold their demo property and bought a different
property to rebuild on so we got to think of all the nuances if we're going to talk about it I'll wear that shirt not miss so okay are we uh any further questions for
staff so if I could mayor could I just capture so commissioner Min you were talking about um the numbers having to do with demo rebuild and elevates and to the extent where possible if it's understood having to do with the ownership piece if that is available that's correct okay was there any other
information that the commission would be looking for I'd like to hear the public comment on that before we close out our thank you I agree as well yep okay thank you and now we'll move into public
comment and uh let's see here let's do uh Ross Sanchez oh good evening mayor Commissioners Ross Sanchez and fellow residents as well and staff great to see you all rare that I'm on this side of the uh microphone but
great to see you I'm here to talk about tonight's discussion but quick background on myself side fun fact I have probably lived within 100 or 150 yards of Bob menning for over 30 years of my life so I reside at 44 uh Dolphin Drive
now there is no home there um my grandparents were on the island my parents are still on the island uh in District 3 and I myself I'm in District 3 I'm here today to talk about this waving of permits for a new home I
really want you all to consider this from people who are investing in Treasure Island my situation yes is a little bit different but my family does plan on building a brand new home we did not have the ability to renovate the home again like Catherine had mentioned my situation is a little bit different
because I had a home that was obviously trash like all of us um I was able to sell it but then I actually bought another home on Treasure Island which is pretty crazy but that's my heart is in this city as most of you all know from all the attendance and participation
that I do within the um city limits um I know this town backwards and forwards and sideways I mean as everybody has known since I've lived here I've been around a long long time uh and I care and things of items like this put me at the podum because you all are about to
make a decision for people who or families or residents who are trying to make the city better you are going to get tax obviously you know there's going to be tax implications but um some of the things that I just want to call out is that you know I didn't have the ability to renovate my home where those
permit fees for fences or for those other structures that were mentioned were being waved of course yes I would have liked to have know that so please take that into consideration uh um I do think that the the the uh appreciate the the presentation that was provided um I do
think that the commission should ask for what a new home permit shows I didn't I didn't really see what a permit fee would be for a 2,000 3,000 4,000 5,000 foot home I think that that information would be value to valuable to you on what an actual permit fee is also to
note on that is that there's probably going to be engineering fees that are attached to that with some of the new things that could be potentially coming down the pipeline when it comes to the filer or you know yes or no which I think that we've all we've all discussed there probably is a lower amount of new
construction builds that are coming into the city because of the fil ort discussion there are plenty of people that are on hold because they're waiting for that whether it's even to renovate Elevate their home or to build a brand new construction home um you know one of
the things that I did note was you know I know that they uh talked about fences that are um needing repair I think that the fences are needing being repaired I think docks also need to be included as well you could have a resident that's fence was perfectly fine but their dock
was not so just something to for consideration um especially if it's a new dock that's attached to a new home um again just to highlighting that these are folks or you know residents or applicants that are you know going to be putting a lot of money into Treasure Island because they want to live here
and I think that that is something to be considered and I don't think that they should be punished I know that it was a slight discussion for you all to talk about what happens if it's somebody that's from out of town or you know that they're a spec Builder I really hope that we don't get into the details of
that because I guess I should re rephrase my my statement from my position the home that I am trying to the lot that I'm trying to build a house on I did not own during the storm that is clear as day so going down that path would actually not punish
me but it would put me as an outlier so please consider a lot of different variables for that because you know permit fees are expensive brand new homes they're going to get tax you know the revenue is going to get taxed I know that the building department is kind of like the Golden Goose when it comes to revenue for the town
um obviously we we've got a lot of work to do as we continue to look into TI into the future so I appreciate you all listening to me tonight and I'm looking forward to Future discussions on on this topic specifically so thank you thank you all thanks
Ross Barb Adams Barb Adams Isa Palms um I really really really feel strongly about waving fees for people who are going to elevate their homes um nobody who right now is talking about elevating their homes was
wanting to do this two years ago the reason that people are wanting to do it is because their houses were trashed they've been TR atiz they're out of their houses a lot of us have received substantial damage letters saying that we cannot rebuild our houses and um so
to take retirement money whatever savings people have and to say I love is of palms and I love Treasure Islands so much that I'm going to put this income this money that I have saved for my
later years into making to stay in this community because I love it I want to raise my house um it's going to contribute to the tax base um and it's going to make other properties more
valuable too um but you know most of us who are considering this like living on the ground level we don't want to raise our houses up because we like walking out the back door and you know being around with family and friends we don't
want to be up here and then have to come downstairs so we're doing it because of what's just what's happening and you all know that in the last four or five years we've had storm after storm like starting with I mean Irma
ETA no names and there are houses now that have been flooding multiple times and they've gone through this over and over again and they can't do it again and um to say oh now we're g to make you pay 6,000 or you know more money when
you're you're giving your heart and soul to the community I I I think you really need to consider that and not further penalize those of us who are really suffering trauma right now thank you Barb Andrew it's uh Bob minning Solutions
time of the night now uh this is the fiscal 24 to fiscal 25 carryover items that was in the budget that many of us going back to the infamous August meeting in the workshop uh had first
brought up and the the sort of arrangement that was made then was that there would be a workshop right after that um to figure out how to take these deferred items and do something else with them so on this and I'll give it to
Tia so you to refresh all your memories if you don't have it uh there's $4.2 million in general fund carryover for capital projects that haven't been finished that this came out of the Mike
Munger desk drawer file okay one of them alone on here was $611 ,000 for connectivity infrastructure which is his slush fund to move 200,000
a year and so as he gave um evidence here that you could do other things with it so right now it' be 811 as it went into the next budget so there's $811,000 in that one item there's $4.2
million in general fund carry forward that is unused it's sitting in the bank so if you would like to wave the permits for the residents so whether you're somebody who is under 50 and restored or
you're somebody over 50 and you have to elevate and you're looking for the money for the um fund we got a 12 page PowerPoint that basically had one valuable piece of information you can transfer the money to the building department from the general fund it's
like bullet point number six on page 10 buried just Buri the headline so this is your document from the approved budget this is the carry forward the pennies for panelas is 4.4 million so if you'd
like to take the general fund money as a solution and pay for our permits so we can get back in our homes then you can take the pennies for panelas that's unburdened that's eligible for those and replace it so now you have
$8.6 million to work with to cover this so I would hope that coming out of this workshop and going into a vote that you can say you can pay for this there's a solution to it right here it's un it's it's money that is available we were
supposed to have a workshop after the budget was approved and it didn't happen and please don't say we didn't do it because of the hurricane because a hurricane you're able to do put a pile of rocks over at Treasure Bay for a seaw
wall and uh bring back Elevate ti so we can certainly bring this back and take the $8 million and figure out how to pay for a million dollars worth of our resident permits so you can advocate for us thank you yeah I think everybody is uh pretty
much on the same page and well will close public uh part of this uh debate but um I I think that residents we keep hearing residents and so with the residents and residents and I think that
that's where it comes in in part we we want to support the residents so if if you have a home and you're going to be raising your home or knocking it down and you they it's because of the storm damage you experienced and you're doing it I think
that at least I'm in favor of saying yes let's let's let's go ahead and pay for that now if there is a Speculator that's coming to town and bought you know 6 8 10 12 Lots whatever it is the the question really is do we want to take a
look at paying their fees for them as well or since they're coming in from outside of the market they're not our residents they haven't been paying taxes here in Treasure Island um then that's the question that's really what it comes down down to is do we want to pay for
the ones that are going to be coming in and building as a Speculator I I agree completely with what you just said is that's that's the big distinction there is is uh protecting the residents as opposed to uh giving uh speculators uh additional
money to play with I would have to and I and I agree with that but like Mr Sanchez said he had a unique situation where he sold his and bought another lot and he was a
resident beforehand and he's so dedicated to coming back do we penalize him I mean so there we got a couple of unique things there and I'm not sure that we should penalize him because he was a resident beforehand turned around when less than six months right and and
bought one I would hate for him to be eliminated greated or any anybody like him not just him any anybody in that situation where it would be very easy to prove that he had a tax record at pelis County for for over at uh paradise and
he bought again over at Paradise um but for to do it for people that have not lived here or some you know anybody that's coming in to eat up take advantage of our residents in a
disaster time I'm not for that at all so I'm with you guys on that way but we do have a couple of unique things that I think that we we should pay some attention to so that they're not
penalized should recognize them yes they should be recognized as being eligible for the waving of the permit also if that's the direction that we all go and I think it I kind of agree I think it is we need to take care
of the people so we're basically saying that it's it's not the home uh it's whether or not he is a resident at the time of the storm and
then would be able to take advantage of uh the W fees being waved because he wants to buy back in yes to the uh to the the commitment of U being here and rebuilding that's that's how what I
understand that's how I interpret it yeah is your resident at the time of the storm and Carrie forward clear's mud how who wants to who wants to write it it's not that complicated so let me just ask a couple
questions to just help flush it out so for instance if someone um let's say owns multiple properties in Treasure Islands they they own three homes one they reside in the other two they don't would they be eligible for permit waiver fees on all
three homes in other words are you drawing it really from the property owner at the time of the storm and then if we have a case like um Mr Sanchez he would have to demonstrate he was a property owner at the time the
store of one property and then subsequently bought another property After the Storm doesn't just trying to see like that's a good question you know how many the homestead carry over with the house
okay so I mean we we could look at at Homestead but in the case of Mr Sanchez he might be homesteaded on one property but then not on his new property because he didn't own it at that time he could transfer it yeah he could transfer but
and that's why I'm trying to say what what time are we looking at though are we looking at the time of the storm we're looking at the time of the permit application um commissioner cre will brought up who were the taxpayers who have been funding the city and I think they should be
eligible excuse me they should be eligible for the rebate okay so we'll just look at basically the property owners the who are paying the property tax yeah at the time of the storm for any property they then subsequently own
in Treasure Island yes yeah okay which which would allow somebody that had three Lots they would be able if they wanted to spend the money to elevate they could do that on three lots even though only one of those is their principal
residents but the other two lots their tax rates a lot higher than on their home right so right I think they deserve a little break that's full disclosure on my part so I like I like the taxpayer the
taxpayer yeah yeah who's paying the taxes yeah okay okay and it's only on residential property correct correct this is residential property and because we're talking about hardening basically elevating and
structures can we add like Windows and hardening for condominium owners to wave those permits because the permits for putting windows in is quite pricey I mean they they're trying to harden to to ele you know to stay in their
homes yeah you're still paying taxes on your oh yeah and I know I have to do one more set of Windows and um that's one of the hold outs is it is expensive to put Windows in condominium I would agree yeah I mean
I I don't once again if we're going to take it from who's paying the taxes the property taxes right it's the individual unit owner in the condo correct I know but we've been all talking about single family homes and I just wanted to throw on the Condominiums and help those
people that are living in condos to get a little help too makes sense yeah it sounds reasonable okay we understand the direction we're going it's not mud any longer it's getting a little bit clearer
okay great and we'll bring that back to the commission hopefully by the next Workshop thank so it can be done yeah um we really have just put a duration on it you guys haven't talked about the timing sorry next meeting no
I'm talking about the when a permanent applic so how far out when when do you have to break ground if you guys are writing something that's pretty important sorry to interrupt everyone that's so what would the timeline be is basically I think we need two years that's what we've kind of allowed for
the swimming pools and docks to stay on a vacant land I mean if two two years to apply for the permit no no now I would say break ground sameach running these are permit
fees so you might want to tie it to when the person applies for the permit so do you want it to be this fiscal year or do you want a shorter duration than that so for instance before SE by September 30th
2025 so that that way it only impacts this fiscal year or are you a shorter time a longer time I think by the close of fiscal year at least yeah I'd hate to cross fiscal years I
think it gets more complicated in the accounting world if you're Crossing fiscal years on a like to and we may be incurring more storms yeah I don't know if it I don't know if it really matters that we go
into a uh into 26 or yeah it's it's basically because some people are going to be waiting to build because of the field dirt ordinance is is one of the biggies um so yeah I think that uh that
we shouldn't I I think we could put it out uh somebody said two years I it could be you know the end of uh 26 we delineated that they would be Property Owners during the taxpayers yes so that
covers a time limit right there is if there's still the property owner well I I'd like to suggest that we do it through this fiscal year and then reconsider it if if we need to down down the road between now and September the
end of this fiscal year we can truly we can do it whenever we can always revisit it exactly so that's I'm fine with that okay we'll include that and bring it back all
right okay that is uh the end of uh what we had to do tonight so we're going to adjourn uh