went to get the envelope that the letter came in. >> Anyway, I would love to You have my envelope, right? >> Okay. >> Here we go. >> All righty. Good afternoon and welcome to the
commission workshop for November 18th, 2025. I'd like to call this meeting to order. Now, if we could stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, I would like to update everyone on the agenda tonight. Item G2 and G3,
the compression plan, comprehension plan, and the land development uh private text amendments submitted by Thunderbird are being continue on put on a continuence by the applicant.
So that is G2 and G3. Item G6, private text amendment is being given a continuance at the request of the applicant. So, we now have G2, G3, and G6 that will be continued. They will not
be heard tonight in the agenda. >> Mayor, if I if I may, I'd like to uh I I oppose to granting the continuence for G2 and G3. Uh our residents have spent months engaging on these ordinances and
they put up signs. They wave signs. I'm >> I'm sorry. This This is on. Can you hear me? It's It's on. >> It's on. Okay. Anyway, I'm I'm asking for that we do not grant that continuence request that residents have
spent months uh uh preparing for this meeting. We've advertised it in advance. Uh I'd like to keep that on the agenda. I I think we're and Ralph, I'll ask for your opinion on this. I don't think we're entitled or we h we have to give them a continuence if they ask unless
there's good reason. And I don't think there's really there's been no change in circumstance that would that would extend that out. So, I'd like to keep it on there. I think the community is ready to have this >> if we if we can. Yes. Um I'm going to read this at the agenda meeting as well. And that would probably be the more
appropriate time for for you to ask for it. >> That's when I that's when I had intended to, but >> Okay. >> But you Okay. Okay. Great. Thank you. >> Okay. And the uh the fourth item, item G11, plan development item uh has been
pulled by Vice Mayor Vazquez who had submitted it >> and it's rescheduled for a workshop >> and it's once again go ahead and >> sorry and it's been rescheduled for a workshop December 2nd. So it'll be in the workshop at our next meeting.
>> Great. Thank you. All right. Now to move on to the items that we have for tonight on our workshop. >> The first uh is a grants update. And so Victor, if you would please. >> Thank you, mayor. Good evening, mayor,
commissioners, city manager, city attorney, and city clerk. My name is Victor Ortiz. and the CFO and I'm presenting the grants update as requested in last meeting. Okay. So, so I'm going to start uh with the act
active grants and we have right now uh 12 active act active grants and which nine of them has been awarded and we are counting the other three grants as awarded because uh it has is the the 1.5 million state for for the public safety
building and all the grants that we we know we're going to uh receive. However, I have to uh inform that it had not been awarded because we did not have the signed final documents, but we're working on getting those. So, we have uh
the total of 11.8 uh million in to total revenues and uh the minimum required match that uh we have to uh provide is $1.4 million. Uh from all of that 11.8 million, we had received already $2.8 8
million in reimbursements. And this doesn't mean last year that some of these grants has been active for the last two or three years, but we're now keeping track of everything. And we now that we have a grand manager, uh we're keeping h everything to the penny and
and uh meeting the compliance of the grants, which is a portion that we we were having a hard time doing. Uh okay. So these are uh the grants that we have currently active. So right now we have
$2.7 million for the master uh pump station. Uh G Boulevard boulevard beautifification. We we have 5.2 in two grants. Uh we have a public safety building 1.5
and we don't have to come with any match and retro bay living shorelines comprehensive uh bun bunability assessment and then we have some projects with
parks IDA kayat part launch recreation facility trade project and reserfacing clay tennis courts and some of these projects are ongoing And we are are closely closely monitoring uh the deadlines and and the
closing of these grants. And now in addition to those 12 grants, we had submitted nine uh grants and this is part of the job we had been doing in the last two or three months and uh this
uh will be 20.4 millions applied for. This doesn't mean that we're going to get all of that money. That means that we apply for them. We may get nothing. We may get all of it. When we're working with grants, we are on the mercy of the of the federal state agencies to get
this, but now that you have a team, we are fighting hard for for this money for the city. So, the the minimum cost chair is going to be $7 million. And of course when when we receive the awards I'm going to be presenting these uh to the to the board for accepting if
if they agree with the projects. So from those nine excuse me Victor could you could you go back to that previous slide for a second. >> Uh the amount of the cost share surprises me because usually on grants I've seen 20 25% match. That's almost oh
that is more than 33% match. Is there something that's uh driving that that increase there in terms of match required match dollar? >> You see like too liter or too much of a chair? >> It seems too much. It looks like there's
a u like I said most of the grants that I was familiar with that we had applied for had a had a uh 25% match and we got the 33% more than 33% up there. >> Okay. So let's let's go one by one about
those nines. These are the match for those uh 20 millions that we applied. You see the amount here and then you have a match per project that is required by by the state. Some of them requires 50% match
and that's why you see a seven millions >> which which one requires 50% match. >> I mean some of the grants here is like for example the first one is $4.4 4 million and requires $ 1.5 million match, >> right? That that one's the 25%.
>> So this one, the second one is 6.9, requires 2.3. >> And sorry, I'm not mentioning what the grants are for, but they're also here. >> All right, let's just go back. I I don't want to hold hold this hold up, but let's go back and and uh and check that
number later. Yeah, but but those are the matches but for the grants and and again we had not get the award yet. So once we get the award, we're going to be presenting all of that information for the city uh for the commission to approve those uh awards. >> All right. Thank you.
>> Okay. Um and these are the the five hazard mitigation grants that we we applied and this was in the very first two weeks that our grant manager was here in the office that uh we we a group of people
we stay all the way to midnight to apply for these grants. So and as you see the tier one and tier two in in in the right side of the w of the window that means the priority the agencies is giving to those projects. Most likely we're going
to get the the the four with the tier one and we may or may not get the tier two, but again I not saying we're going to get it, but it's it's likely that we get those grants. >> So what what is the most recent grant that we've gotten? Was that the one for
the police and fire or we got any since then or what? I guess I'm I'm not These are all ones we've just These are ones we haven't gotten yet, right? >> Correct. So, the most recent ones is the $ 1.5 million for public safety and we also got a small grant for uh it was
something for for the uh EMS for the cancer treatment or uh the detection or I not birds on on on that but we got a grant for >> Yeah, that one was pretty small. 40 something 47,000
>> to um clean the >> uh fireman's gear once 30. >> Oh yeah. Well, that was the other night. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> But for for grants, I was going to tell the the commission now is a perfect time for me to update in grants every month.
It doesn't make probably the most sense because this probably will not change every month. So most cities or local governments they update board every two twice a year and I I think that will make more sense because these things move like very slow. Now once the city
gets one grand one grand will will pay for for for the management of all all the grants. >> So I mean when do we expect we might hear on these? We have any idea like guess like middle of next year, end of next year sooner than that?
>> Probably May. >> Oh May. Okay. >> 2026. I mean for those hazard hazard grants and and this is the the the trend for every grant that you apply for them and then you you have to patiently wait for them and then once you get it you have
like five years to spend and it's depend of each grant give you a time frame. So here I I want I wanted to bring this up because we we keep mentioning grant writer and we don't have a grant writer,
we have a grant manager and the the difference is that the grant writer just write the grant and and is is over is done with that. So a a grant manager not only help with the writing but also with the compliance. And in last Audi we we got two audi findings on grants just
because we were not on compliance. We didn't have this position. This grand manager also keep track of all of these the effort that our grand manager is is doing to get every penny is is amazing. I mean I I had seen uh this person
meeting with the lawyers uh working with FEMA. H we didn't not we did not have as a city a person who works directly with FEMA and and take that way away from the from other directors. So this person is uh compiling everything that we need and
we just submitted $2.2 million on on debris last week thanks to this effort. So once we received this 2.2 I was expecting 1.5 but thanks to the effort of this person we're going to we increase it to $2.2
million. This if we didn't have a grant manager this this was not possible because we don't have the timing directors to work directly with FEMA. So that's something I want to put in perspective that this person doesn't just do grants. >> Victor, let me add a little bit to that
too is uh I was getting a little impatient with those hazard mitigation program grants wondering when when are we going to hear something uh and I reached out to uh both the county and the state asking when they thought they would be announcing uh who was going to
be you know who who were were going to be uh getting those grants. and they sent me answers, but they uh they sent it by email and they both of them came back and and attached to the emails were a series of emails that Jessica, our grant manager, had been communicating with them, too. So, I was really glad to
see that she's staying on top of of that with both the state and the and the county as well. So, my compliment, >> it's hard for me to keep up with her energy. Sure. >> So when I want to leave at 4, she she's just bringing things up. So
is a good addition to the team. So this is something we are doing also with FEMA because again it's not only grants and we've been working closely with uh FEMA and I I don't want to give any amounts and I I've been very
disciplined on not giving an an amount on how much we're expecting the debris. I can tell you we do we did submit $2.2 million for cut a for the breeze. That doesn't mean we're going to get the the the full 2.2 too, but based on my opinion, it should be very close for for
the debris and I I don't want to give you the time when we're going to receive it either because I don't want to be wrong, but I will be updating uh this board uh on this and this money that from the breeze is mostly uh going back to our pocket to generate funds.
employees is available money for for the city. It's not restricted. Okay. This is this is some areas that we're actually going forward and seeking uh opportunities and um we're we
actually went to uh Pineelas County last week uh meet the city manager and and the grant writer uh or grant manager and it's something that she also did coordinate coordinated and we met with the assistant county director and just
just to network and and try to get uh some money for we can get up up to four or $5 million on CDBG. We may not get anything. It's the same thing with like every grant. But just to tell you that we are doing our steps and our connections to try to get as much money
as possible. And also we learned that we may have uh we may qualify for a for a master plan $1 million from the CDBG as well. H this is based on this effort as word from the
grand manager. >> Can I just add one thing sir? The uh they were very specific with us that this grant uh and the federal government's um onus on Penllis County was to get help people get back in their
homes. So that's what they're working on now. They haven't even written the stipulations yet to apply for anything that we could use for a public safety building or a master plan. There there is some set aside for cities to do some
things, but all they're focused on the next couple months anyway and from October 1st to now is getting residents of Penllis County back into their homes. So we don't there'll be a lot more to follow here once we get the rules and
apply as we see that there's opportunity. Thank you. This is some grant related updates. Uh reserve nine compliance requests uh to maintain grant ele uh this is something else that the grant manager does. uh
created centralized grant resource library which is what we're bringing here today and uh she's keeping track of all of these improved record retention coordinated uh free FEMA grant management training uh submitted the
2026 FROG. This is a winning for us this submission because now if we get uh hit by another storm we we probably will submit for expedi expedite money from the cat a debris and if you have any questions for me
does anyone have any questions? Okay. Uh we'll just have to throw a party once we get one of those um uh many grants that we request that we've got out there. I >> I always say that the first grant that we get is going to pay for this position multiple years. >> Victor, I was wondering if possibly we
get a update on what kind of like the status of the grants once a month for the commission to review. I I can update as many times daily if you want but probably the status is going to be none >> because these things don't move that fast
>> like the these five grants that we're waiting for for the status. What I what I can do instead is I if the status change I can I can bring the update. >> That'd be great. Thank you. >> Thank you, Victor. >> Thank you. Okay, moving on to C2,
Ordinance 2025-33, mandatory lot mowing program. So, if you haven't met our new code supervisor, Mr. James Dixon, this is him. He's come on and the last few weeks
and uh now he gets to present to you guys. So, be kind. Bring it up. bring up the PowerPoint. >> Good afternoon, mayor, members of the city commission, fellow city staff and residents. Thank you for allowing me the
opportunity to address you today. As a new code compliance supervisor, I'm enthusiastic to be a part of such a resilient and beautiful community. Community Development is grateful for the commission's ongoing support and guidance in our efforts to m the high time to maintain the high standards that Treasure Island that makes Treasure
Island such a special place to live, work, and visit. Today, I wanted to provide a brief presentation on our enforcement process, which aligns closely with our shared goals of environmental stewardship. The code compliance team is focused on a balanced strategy that emphasizes
education and exhausting efforts to gain voluntary compliance over punitive measures. We've already begun an outreach initiatives like the beautifification plan to aid residents who do not have the resources. We are also updating our enforcement protocols to integrate seamlessly with
existing property maintenance standards, ensuring that residents have clear guidance and on creating compliant and maintained yards. Over the next few months, we will be monitoring compliance through routine inspections and community feedback with the aim of achieving widespread acceptance. I want
to thank the commission once again for your leadership and trusting our team. I'll begin the presentation. Uh here's a brief uh department overview. Our uh mission is to ensure community safety, property maintenance and compliance with city codes to
enhance quality of life. Our key responsibilities will be to investigate violations, issue notices, conduct hearings, and coordinate abatements. The team structure is uh shown on the layout there. Uh code compliance supervisor, which is myself, and I have
a team of two inspectors. Here's a brief case timeline and our metrics. Uh from intake to inspection, it typically takes 1 to three business days for us to operate on that. Uh we'll then begin a courtesy notice of
violation and the deadline for that typically is 1 to 30 days of confirmation and it takes staff time anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes to complete that. Uh if the violation still persists, we post a notice of violation with a
compliance date of 1 to 30 days. And to complete that notice of violation and the administrative work, it takes us roughly 2 to four hours. If the violation continues, we will bring them to codeboard.
And uh to prepare for all that takes uh anywhere from 5 to 15 hours with each case. Here is a timeline and metrics with the new landscaping ordinance. Uh we uh the resident will get a courtesy notice at 6 in.
We will issue a notice of violation with the deadline of 14 days from that notice. If the violation persists past that deadline, the city will proceed to abate. Property owner will be invoiced for abatement costs.
If the invoice is not paid within 10 days, a lean will be placed on the property. Under this new ordinance, the end to end from case inception through full abatement is projected to require 15 total staff hours per case. an
unattended lawn that stays in perpetuity in violation. That process repeats every two to six weeks based on lawn growth. Here is our estimated staff hours and our current with our current case load. So as of today, we have a total open
cases of 401 take approximately staff hours to complete would be 4,210. We currently have 81 open landscaping violations which would take staff approximately 1,215 hours to complete.
We have an additional 80 to 100 landscaping with additional violations. It would take staff hours to complete 1,350 total total cases closed post storm is 243. And that is the end of the slideshow.
So do you have adequate manpower to to uh basically control this? >> Uh I believe additional support would would help assist uh in maintaining uh the proper standards that are set
forth. Uh we're pretty overworked right now and swimming in with a lot of cases. I'll bet. >> Especially uh people coming in day in and day out that I we talk and help with because we want to provide uh plenty of resources and time and make sure that we
know that we're there to help resolve the issue. >> Mayor, if if I could help him answer that question. No, sir. There are not adequate resources to tackle this. Um, we've uh
moved we we've drafted a administrative kind of person just to quarterback this whole program out of CDD and touch all the boxes that would need to do it. It should be funded through these violation
um fees, but like grants and everything else, they're not in the bank account today. they come as uh people serve the notice and pay them. And our goal is to not become the Treasure Island lawn service. Our goal is that if we mitigate
it with smiles on our face and gain compliance and if we don't, we're going to come cut your grass and abate pest and then if that doesn't and then you're going to get a bill for that and hopefully then you start cutting your own grass or get your own lawn service.
So, this is um just as a reminder, we've had the first reading and um the next one will be coming uh to you, but this this is just a good overview. Um and and it'll probably take another headcount to
properly staff um the orchestration of this ordinance. >> Is that what we uh we look at is another full time? Is that >> Yes, sir. And we believe that we can uh knock it out with that additional staff. >> That's what we believe. And I promise
you, I've never done this before. >> So, yeah, just to summarize, I mean, you're saying that you hope that the fees will cover the cost of the person, right? Because I mean, last thing I want to do is add more headcount and more fees, but at the same time, I feel like
this is like a health hazard. I mean, it's really bad and um we got to get it cleaned up. So, I mean, if it kind of pays for itself, I understand it might lag behind a little bit, but that's better than nothing, I guess, at this point. So, >> Bobby Shaye, uh, community development
director, with this additional staff, it's not just an additional to CDD. It helps relieve public works who would otherwise be organizing lawn. It relieves finance because then we, this individual, will collect fees. It relieves the clerk's office because they'll be responsible for filing the
lean against title. So, this is a a position that actually supports multiple departments. It'll be housed within CDD under James just because of the nature of of the ordinance and what it does. Um, but I just want to be sure that we're clear. No one department has the
the ability or the staff to support this. So this is uh our solution as a whole to accommodate every level of service that this administrative person will provide.
James, on one of your earlier slides, you showed that there's a 1 to three day uh uh yeah, right? One to three business days from the time we take a complaint from somebody to to actually make the inspection. Is that a goal or is that what you're actually achieving? That's
what we're actually achieving. >> Okay. And that's pretty impressive. But that would that kind of would suggest that you're staying on top of things and that you're not backlogged. >> That's a lot of cases. I understand. But if you're if you're able to get to them in one to three days, sounds like you're
keeping up with them. They're open, but sounds like you're keeping up with them. Yeah, we um the team and myself and past uh code compliance supervisor, we believe we act on something and we document it in the proper software systems, we're able to track it a lot
closer >> and uh help keep track of it that way and that way we're we're able to answer any questions that if they may arise. >> What about uh sad and seating empty
lots? Uh cuz we obviously bought a new street sweeper and dirt is collecting in the street that's going to cause excessive wear and tear to the street sweeper. Um and we got to obviously look presentable over the course of long
term. So what about seating and siding uh empty vacant lots? I I remember we had this discussion and I I think where we left it was that needs to be a separate uh ordinance from this. Um it it just is going to require
some some more research and um that if you go sod and seed somebody's private property that's a whole different fee you're charging them for. Um and that that in my head is more beautifification which is also great but this is like
public health and safety. Let's get the grass cut and make sure there's not rats running around and things like that. But so that has not fallen off my radar. >> That notes literally laying on my desk. I saw it earlier today. >> Um, one more question. It says four in
one to open cases, 81 landscaping. Didn't you tell me I if I remember correctly that there are 200 lawns that I've identified that are overgrown. I thought you said that in the last >> Yeah. >> meeting. I remember that number. Bobby Shay, do you remember where I got that
from? >> Um, so I want to go back to seed and sad. Uh, soil stabilization is already in our code. So that would be something that we need would need to enforce. And the second question is, >> is there like 200 open lawn cases?
>> I thought it was landscaping was 81. Um, with this additional ordinance though, it's going to increase. >> I'm I'm sorry. I can I can answer that. uh the landscaping with additional violations. Those are resident or
properties that have a landscaping violation and also more on top of it. So, rodents >> our software system can't deteriorate. >> Yeah, I just thought I remember you saying that there was 200 lawns that had been identified as being like would would fall into this because they were
overgrown. That I but maybe I'm remembering incorrectly. >> There is. >> Okay. And the 81 is just the that property is that's the only issue is >> so if we implement this it'll go up to 281 >> roughly >> basically. Okay.
>> So I I mean that's a lot of overgrown properties for Yeah. >> So lot of rats. >> And I have a question on the 401 open cases. Um, will that include because I know we have some older code cases that
um I have a couple that I know of in my district. Um, older ones that were I guess facing litigation. It was it was getting pretty extreme and then the hurricane hit and um so everything kind of got kicked to
the back. So, but they're still open and I still get emails about them um frequently. So, I was curious, is the 401 like I'm assuming would include those as well, the older ones that are in there? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay.
>> If I can, we were this morning we had the opportunity to meet with our new city attorney in that team. Um, many that have experience post hurricane and in coastal areas. Um, they had some ideas and things that are happening in
other communities. And I just would recommend that we take one bite of the apple at a time. You know, all of what you're saying is true and it exists, but now we have a talented team um and multiple resources to address the issues of, you know, abandonment um in the
excess of growth and so forth. We don't have condemnation in this city. We would have to fall back on the county. So, those are things we need to explore. So, I would just ask that, you know, we take this one step at a time. We make a move towards improving lawns. be bringing the stuff that we need to do. As you can see, our code department is a team of
three. Um, and I don't think people really understand that. So, um, I would just ask for patience and and like I said, we just take this one step at a time and take advantage of this amazing resource that we now have of this team of attorneys to help us navigate for
those larger issues. >> Thanks, Ralph. Bobby, while you were still up, if you don't mind talking about this, I know this is a workshop to talk about >> lawnmowing program, but is this the same group uh of uh code enforcement people
that would will eventually hopefully be enforcing our short-term rental policies? >> That is yet another discussion that we need to have >> for sure. >> But but it is the same group. It is the same three people that would be responsible for an additional
task, a short-term rental. >> All right. Thank you. >> Certainly an issue and not to be ignored. It needs to be addressed. We do agree with that. >> Okay. >> All right. Any other thoughts from the commission?
>> Hearing none. Uh do we have consensus to move this forward? >> Yes, >> absolutely. >> Okay. So there's your direction and u we appreciate you uh and uh working all this and bringing it to us
>> and you will hear for this from me often. So just to be clear, we're moving this ordinance forward and with that we're going to be bringing an amendment for a new full-time staff member as administrative support to execute the program. Correct. >> Correct. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Uh we'll move on to public comment. Uh Mark Hoey >> Mayor Dr. I'm gonna pass on the comments. >> Okay. Thank you, Diana Crarabel. >> Good evening. One of the things I
noticed when I was reading the actual write up of the ordinance is we when we had the date and they have like I believe it was either 10 or 12 days to respond. We did not indicate business days or calendar days and we are going
to have a problem because that's a big difference and there's an awful lot of state statute that will say more on the business days than the calendar days. So, I would certainly hope that we would um consider a little bit of the language
on that. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Sarah Pennington. >> Good evening. Sarah Pennington, I love Palms. Um, on the topic of the yards, actually West and I have done some
pretty good outreach in Isle of Palms and we've determined that there aren't a lot of elderly people necessarily that need help with lawns. Um, we did actually I want to thank Mayor Doctor and Commissioner Clark. They came and helped West and I and some other great
residents help clean up um a resident's yard that was too elderly to take care of it about six weeks ago. But other than that, it seems like the majority of the overgrown yards are either um homes that have been purchased. We have several homes in a row, all purchased by
investors, and they're not taking care of the houses at all. Also, um some of the empty parking lots in our downtown, those are not residential lots. I noticed that during the discussion of the lawns, it was mentioned residents
several times, but I didn't hear anything about businesses. There are a lot of bad lots in Treasure Island that are actually owned by um I don't know if you want to call it businesses or investors or developers, but they're not actual residential homes. And I'm hoping
that that would be addressed. Even the uh St. Petersburg municipal beach entrance. Would Treasure Island be able to enforce these lawn um care requirements on the city of St. Petersburg? And since we're in a workshop, I was wondering if I could get
an answer to that question. >> I think I I don't know the answer, but I think it's a good suggestion. Uh because that St. Petersburg, City of St. Petersburg beach parking lot is not very wellmaintained at all. So, I think it's maybe as a courtesy, city manager to city manager, you guys can talk with
each other to see if if they can do something to clean that lot. We're not at a conclusion, but our public works director and theirs have been in discussion and are developing options for doing something with that where maybe we
maintain it. They reimburse us, but none of that's uh I'm ready to print out and say we're going to do this, but that discussion has begun. Thank you. And you showed me that I think the first month I was here and several others have pointed it out. So, um, again, it's one of those
things I haven't forgotten about. We're just not quite there yet. >> Okay. A couple other questions. Um, this to me seems like more of a temporary issue. I don't think before the hurricane we had a huge problem with overgrown yards and Treasure Island. So,
for hiring additional administrative staff, which I think we all would want to know, how much is that going to cost the city taxpayers per year? How much that staff is going to cost? But then what happens once we do get caught up on these multiple cases?
Is there going to be a need for this amount of staff to deal with yards in Treasure Island? I think it's something we need to consider. And then my final question is about the rats that was mentioned. Does Treasure Island have any
does Treasure Island have any sort of rat control or is it just cutting down the yards and then the rats go? I don't know how it works, but there's definitely been rats around. So, what what is Treasure Island doing specifically to address the rat problem?
And that's that's it. I'll step down. Uh I'm happy to address first the FTE. As you mentioned, Ardan, we have multiple issues coming down the chain, including short-term rental. Should we get to a place where we have lawns under
control, we have plenty of work to um make use of that full-time employee. To the second issue of of rodents, that's part of the abatement. It would be rodents, snakes, and any kind of wildlife. We have to put out um a request for proposals to find people that do that. And that again is part of
the job of this full-time person to schedule lawn assistance as well as the abatement of those animals, follow through to make sure that it was done. and so forth. >> Okay. >> And if I remember correctly, like the
killing of the rats or the abatement or the whatever, that's all included in the cost, right, that we're charging them. Correct. >> There's a there will be a fee associated based on the services provided. >> Okay. >> In in a lean issue to reflect those fees. >> Yeah. Gotcha.
Is there any reason that uh we only are addressing residents within this uh this ordinance? >> I don't know that the language specifically says residents. It's a nuisance ordinance. So it would apply across the board. Is that my understanding? I would refer to
>> Ralph say >> middle one. >> Okay. Sorry. I should have gotten that under control before >> and I'm happy to, Mr. Mayor, if you want me to address it as the author of the ordinance on some level. >> It talks about the property owner, but Gavin, can you take that? >> It doesn't. It just refers to property
owner. So, that's helpful on the questions related to the LLC. And um specifically the good thing is like if it's a business that's not behaving properly and they're out of state and they own a property, you can put a lean on that and then ultimately foreclose on
them and take the property in for payment of these line leans and fees. If it's homesteaded, you can't. Of course, it's protected. Um so that that really gives the city a tool for going after truly egregious. And it starts at the 6 in related to beautifification. when it
hits 10 inches, that's when it becomes the nuisance. That's when it becomes a health, safety, and welfare issue. And Bobby Shay actually talked with the health department and we looked at that aspect of how do we handle the rats and and that side of it. But the ordinance is um allows it's general enough to
allow for the abatement of not only the mowing, but as she said, the the um any kind of pest and different things. And then that is all part of the fee that is assessed to the owner because the goal is to be punitive to get these things cleaned up. Um not to run a lawnmowing
service within the city. So and that's where there's if it's 6 in that's just general beautifification. We're not going to come in and abate. That's going to just be a normal code enforcement violation and that gives people an opportunity to correct it at that height. But then once it gets to 10
inches, that's when the u stronger nuisance language kicks in. But businesses certainly fall underneath that because it just it refers to the property owner. >> Great. >> And if I if I can real quick too is just a a program plug with relates to the 6
in violation. When they are notified, they're also notified about the uh new treasure and beautifification program which we developed to connect community with community. the addresses have been shared with the civic association leaders. Um, we are refining what that process looks like, how we reach out to
residents to make sure that they're aware there are volunteers in the the neighborhood that are willing to help in the case that maybe someone is just disabled, elderly, or or doesn't have the resources to get it done. Again, we're not trying to imply fees and be punitive. We've created this program to
be managed by a community liaison. Um, and we have volunteers already, a group of kids from Jesuit that are are looking to coordinate to to do the work. >> And there's several appeals processes built in. That was the number one thing when these kinds of abatement processes
were challenged in court. It was typically related to due process issues and and appeals. And so if somebody truly believes that they are not in violation, there's an appeal of the actual um original violation, they can submit in writing and go before the code
enforcement board. And then there's an appeal after the fact. After they get the bill for the abatement, they can then appeal that and say, "Hey, we don't believe it costs this much." And then there's a process for verifying that. So, there's two appeals processes built in um to ultimately make sure that
there's that due process that we all expect along the way before the city ultimately tacks that lean on. >> Great. Thank you very much for clarifying that for us. >> All right. I have one additional uh I'm
not sure that it's Well, let's go. Uh is it Brianna Fox? >> Briana. Briana, >> that's for the meeting. >> That's for the meeting. Okay. Thank you. So, that does bring us to uh to closure
uh on the public comment and uh we will be starting our next meeting at 6:00 which is in about 15 minutes. We're now adjourned. Good evening and welcome to the regular commission meeting for November 18th,
2025. I'd like to call this meeting to order. City clerk, would you please call roll? >> Vice Mayor Vazquez >> here. Commissioner Clark >> here. >> Commissioner Seson >> here. >> Commissioner Dicki >> here.
>> Mayor Doctor >> here. >> Thank you. >> Moving on. Approval of regular uh regular and workshop agendas. And here I want to read this. Uh I would like to update everyone on the agenda
tonight. Item G2 and G3, the comprehensive plan and land development private text amendments uh submitted by Thunderbird are being continuing have a continuence
from the uh are requesting a continuence from the applicant. Also I item 6 G6 is a private text amendment and it also is having a continuence at the request of the applicant.
Item G11 plan development item pulled was pulled by Vice Mayor Vazquez who is the person that did submit that >> and that has been rescheduled um for workshop at the next meeting which I believe is December 2nd.
>> Correct. Okay. And mayor, as I'd mentioned uh in the workshop, I was hoping that we would uh oppose the grant uh by the Thunderbird for continuence. Uh our residents have spent months uh coming to
meetings, sending emails, uh putting up signs in yards and holding signs. Uh they've attended, they've rearranged their schedules for tonight to attend this meeting. I can see a lot of heads uh nodding. uh they I think they want this uh thing to come to a head and and
have a a vote on this. So I I am uh recommending that we if we can uh legally uh uh uh not approve their request for continuence. >> I agree with Ardan. >> I don't disagree either, but I don't see
their attorneys or anyone here. >> Yeah, I didn't see you back there. I apologize. So what what am I hearing is that uh >> I guess >> sorry we would have to probably refer to you um on
>> your speaker. >> I'll get used to that. Under the code it doesn't address continuences. Um the code says in 68121 on comp plan amendments that you shall hold a second reading and consider the application.
So, you have to consider it whether you can hear it tonight or whether you continue to a date in the future. Um, if you continue to a date certain, you won't have to readvertise it. If you continue it to a date to be determined at a later date, you would have to renotice the advertisement for the
subsequent hearing. There's nothing compelling you to grant a continuance. It would be up to you. Um, you should ask the applicant since it's privately generated to explain why they're requesting the continuence. We don't know why. Uh so we should put that on
their record and find out why. Um it is a legislative thing that they're asking for in all in G2 and G3 and actually in G6 too. They're asking you to in your legislative capacity to amend your existing comp plan in your ex existing
land development regulations. Also in your legislative capacity. So it's not a quasi judicial hearing. uh you have the more liberal legislative standard just as if you were a legislature changing the statutes or an act of Congress. It's up to you whether to change them or not.
They're proposing it as a private applicant, but it's still a legislative matter. You can say yes, no, um continue it or not continue it. It's all in your discretion. >> Did they give a date? Um >> you can ask them to come up. >> Is is it okay?
>> Yes. Yeah. if you want to address it at the beginning of the meeting so some people can go home if they don't have to stay. >> Thank you mayor commissioners Lauren Rubenstein from Hillward Henderson here on behalf of the applicant the Thunderbird happy to answer any questions that you have.
>> So when you requested the continuence was there a date that you had requested to move it to or >> we did not request a specific date. So I can tell you the reason for the request for the continuence was that we saw on the agenda there was the item to discuss
the plan development zoning districts and we certainly wanted to hear what that conversation was what that was going to look like. We don't believe that our proposal would conflict with a PD. We don't necessarily think that it has to be either or. We think our proposal could be a great starting
point, but we certainly felt like with that on the agenda and the communication uh we were seeing back and forth, we wanted to see what that conversation was, what the direction of the commission was to see how our proposal could fit in.
>> Got it. Thank you. >> All right. So, uh I guess at this point that uh we uh are required if there are three or more commissioners.
>> You would take a a motion to continue or a motion to deny the continuence and then a second and then you take a roll call vote. Okay. >> All right. I I motion that we deny the request for continuence. >> Second. And you can take discussion if you'd
like. You can take public comment only on the continuence item unfortunately. >> Okay. So we have uh two folks. We have a a motion and a second. >> Do we want to
>> a roll call? >> I mean do we have any discussion on thoughts? >> Any public comment on it? uh there wouldn't be public comment on this. >> We can wait for the public hearing to have the public comment. If the motion to continue um
is denied, then we'll have the public comment uh when the hearing starts. If the motion to continue is granted, then we'll have the public comment on this item when the public hearing is continued. >> So, I'll just have a little bit of a discussion on it. Um especially thank
you for your explanation um with the um with delaying the uh moving forward of the PDS and it going to workshop and then it would still have to go to um a meeting and then it would
have to have two readings. I think that that is still a ways off. um I don't know that it's necessarily um something that they want to wait for or um with it being moved to such
um and I tend to I do agree with Ardan that a lot I do know a lot of people I mean we've all had the emails and everything coming in there's a lot of people that feel passionately about that and they're here on both sides so um you know I think being that you are here um
and the PDs have been pulled off. Um I would I would tend to agree that I would love for it to be heard if um you know if that's the majority of us. >> Okay. So
>> because who knows >> we have a a motion and a second >> to not >> to to deny the continuence >> to deny the uh continuence. So just so that we we make sure
>> yes vote would be to hold the hearing tonight. >> Yes to the motion to deny the continuence would mean that the hearing on G2 and G3 would be held tonight. >> Got it. >> Great. >> It's a little bit confusing because the double negatives. >> It is. But let's uh let's call roll.
>> Commissioner Dicki >> I. >> Commissioner Sesan. >> So it's a yes vote, right? >> The motion is a motion to deny the request for continuance. So if you want to hear it tonight, you vote yes. >> So that was an I. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark >> I.
>> Vice Mayor Vasquez >> I. >> Mayor Doctor. >> Nate. >> The motion passes 4 to one. So those items will be heard tonight. >> Okay. Now that was for Do we have to do that for each one of the items that's on
here? Um, I took that as being for G uh 2 and G3. >> That's correct. >> Okay. >> Does anyone want to change their vote because or take the separate votes? >> I think they're okay to go forward then with 62 and 63 as noticed.
>> Okay. All right. So, let's move on. Thank you. Yes. I just want to make sure that uh on the if you're going to want to speak tonight, you need to fill out one of these cards and have it to the city
clerk at by 6:15. All right. So, moving on. Approval of minutes. >> I move to approve the minutes as presented. Second. >> We have a motion and a second.
Any discussion? >> Okay. Uh, roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. Commissioner Sison. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> Hi. >> Mayor Doctor. >> I. >> Thank you. >> All right. Go. Moving forward. Uh,
consent agenda. I move to approve the consent agenda as presented. >> I was going to discuss uh the first one F1 and F2 just briefly. I was wondering whose decision is it to put on put these
items on the cont consent agenda like who from city staff decides because I see that US voltage has uh $38,000 for electrical service whereas what should be on the consent agenda would be G7
which is 7,900 which is less than the spending limit. So, commissioner, that item F1 with USA voltage has previously been approved and it's an amendment to accept FEMA funding. >> Be FEMA compliant. >> Be FEMA compliant.
>> Gotcha. That's it. >> And item F2 um is a PRA, the public resource advisory group, uh that we have um used previously. We don't have them under
contract. Contracting them does not mean an immediate invoice. Uh, Commissioner Dicki pointed this out to me over a week ago and I have a note to reward the language and I failed to complete that task. So, I apologize to that. Um, but
this is somebody that we've uh been using uh predating me and uh Mr. Ortiz's presence here. And if we um get into areas where we need to get lines of
credit or loans, it's better to have these guys on call. Basically, it's an ondemand contract. So, I don't know if that answers >> that answers my question. Yes. Thank you. >> All right. Anything else?
>> I second the approval of the inset agenda. >> We have a motion and a second. Uh do we have any public comment >> please? >> Is it on this contract? >> No. Or I guess it could be
>> agenda item. >> Yeah. >> Is it public comment then or is it >> you I'm I'm sorry. >> Let's uh >> if it's not on the consent agenda, let's wait and then take the roll call on the
consent agenda and then come back to public comment. >> It's on the consent agenda. >> Okay. So, let's Okay, let's do that and go back then to uh public uh >> the roll call first. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez,
>> I. Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> hi. Commissioner Dicki. >> Hi, >> Mayor Doctor. >> Hi. >> Thank you. >> Now, we'll move to the uh public comments. And I've got a list of these.
Uh Sarah Pennington. >> Good evening, Sarah Pennington. My comment for non-aggenda items. It might seem something kind of small, but I think it's a big deal that I would like to have everyone's attention for when you're ready.
Thank you. Um, I noticed a few meetings ago that the rules were changed for putting in comment cards and that the cards needed to be entered in by 6:15 for the public to make a comment on agenda items. And I just wanted to say
that I think you are doing the citizens a big disservice by um incorporating that rule. There are some people that are working, they work late, maybe they have families. These families, they need to get their children home and put in bed. We've heard about them. We moved
the workshops for those people. But um but if you've not here by 6:15, you can't speak on a topic. And I think we should change back to allowing people to put a comment card in at any time. Sometimes things come up during the meeting where residents decide they want
to speak about it because something came up that maybe wasn't on their mind to begin with. And so I think disallowing people that work late or not allowing people to decide later in the meeting to put in a comment card needs to be changed. I personally have wondered
sometimes, do I need to put in a card for every agenda item just in case something comes up? I haven't done that and I don't want to have to do that. So, I think we we've already reduced the comment time from 5 minutes to 3 minutes, which I also want to point out. It's pretty rare that anyone even
reaches 3 minutes. There's maybe two people that consistently do that. Um, and we need to at the very least change that rule about entering the cards in by 6:15. Thank you. Barb Adams Barb. Yeah,
>> Barb Adams. Um, Isa Palms. Um, there are there are so many things we all don't agree on. I think one thing that we can all agree on is I mean our city looks like hell right now. I mean, it's it looks terrible. Um, it's an
embarrassment. Pirate Square, all the empty lots. We need to have a plan. We can't just have people coming in, coming up with an idea, and then just passing this one, that one, um, going to the
PDS, which means that we're not going to have any real um, maximums on height or density. We're, you know, I mean, look at downtown town St. Pete. like if we go to the Penllis County um restrictions, I
mean, all everything's called off and and I know everybody's saying, "Oh, okay. Well, we're going to do one at a time and we're not going to let people um you know, come up with these tall buildings or these crazy ideas." But
come on, we know we know that once one is like it's going to be dominoes. It's going to be dominoes. We this the residents are telling you over and over and over again, we want a plan. So, please listen to us and give us a plan.
Not this PD stuff, you know, where where we're going to make a a choice for this person and it's not really going to apply to the next person because it will. It will. Or have people tell us, well, we can't do this because it doesn't pencil out. Well, give us some
numbers. Don't talk about pencils, you know, give us facts so we know what we're talking about, you know. I mean, the the Bill the Bill was able to rebuild and, you know, do do any of us
asking them how it pencileled out, you know, did they have to double the amount of rooms that they had? No. No. And they were very supportive of what we needed and wanted in this community. I mean, I was one of the people that they took in as an evacuee. I mean, they opened up
their hotel to those residents that had nowhere to live, that had no clothes. You know, they discounted their food for us. Um, you know, we all need to work together. Um, and enough talk about pencils. Let's
talk about facts and what the residents want. Drive through the city, drive through all the communities here in Treasure Island and look at all the signs. No, you know, you can see what we want. Do you s do you see signs saying, "Yeah, go for the sky. Go for the
clouds." You're not seeing that. No, you don't see one sign saying any of that. Listen to us. That's what you all are here. And you know, this storm gave us, you have to look for a silver lining. It gave us an opportunity to redesign our
city. Listen to us. Make it beautiful. >> Thank you, Bob. Mark Hoey. Uh, good evening, Mark Hoey. uh district three and Arthur Sison still doesn't uh recognize or follow my values. I'm going
to change gears a little bit. I'd kind of hope this was going to be addressed in the city manager's comments which were pencileled in in the previous section in the workshop, but we never got any comments. So, I'll put it out there knowing that there won't be a
reply, but hopefully we can get a uh some feedback or an answer on it in due course. Uh, on October 24th, I noticed that the city posted a job for the community development director.
I thought we had one. She's sitting She was sitting right here. So, I'm I'm a little confused by that. Uh, are we expanding the staff? And again, you would have to okay that if we're expanding or shifting, but do we really
need another six figure job at this point? I don't know, but hopefully we can get some answers to that. I will say I'm absolutely in alignment with the qualifications that are outlined in the job requirements.
The minimum qualifications, the certifications, knowledge, skills, abilities, uh all of the conditions are spot-on, but I'm a little confused by why that's coming up now and what's shift is coming
or is this an added person to the staff. Uh we certainly really can't afford that. I mean, we're already going to have one budget amendment spoken to a little later tonight. If we keep doing this, we keep adding staff, that's going
to be constantly changing the budget and we're going to run out of run out of the cash. So, please uh at some point, I'd love to hear an explanation off the you know, off the record or published or something. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Mark. Brandy Long, >> I'll speak on G2. >> Okay, >> Lori War. >> Good evening, Lori Warick. Thank you. That's all right. Um, I live on Paradise Island and I'm
not really represented anymore. Is that's how I feel. Um, we we need a master plan. We don't need a PD. Um, we really really all of us enjoyed the presentation when you
brought in Mr. Brainer. It was absolutely stunning. It fit our community. it fit the the style of our community. Um, we just would really love you to to
consider taking the PD out and just go with a master plan. It's really important to us. Um, little note for public works causeway is getting a lot of potholes.
Um, if we can just look into that because I drive that road every day. I also believe that we have maybe one maybe two commissioners in bed with see some um developers from Madiraa.
We know we know you are. We've seen the pictures. Um I really don't feel like a couple of these people should be even voting on some things because they do have vested
interests. You can't hide behind an LLC and we don't want people in bed with developers. Thank you for listening. >> Marie Barbara. >> Good evening, mayor, commissioners. Marie Barbara, Sunset Beach, Paradise
Island. And um I respectfully request that an agenda item be added for consideration at the next workshop. And this is for placement of a referendum question before the electric electorate
regarding the potential elimination of the city charter article 7 section 7.07 07 results of election and um many people don't know in March of 2005 Treasure Island voters approved
a referendum which amended the city charter article 7 7.07 07 with the intention of securing the LDR restriction to the city charter. Uh section C amending or repealing initiative or referendum law. Any local
ordinance voted into effect or repealed by the electorate pursuant to initiative or referendum procedures respectively as set forth in this charter shall only be subsequently amended or repealed by the electorate at the
polls. This is in our charter. This section shall be rectoactive as allowed by general law. This section shall not be construed to prevent the city commission from adopting adopting charter amendments or ordinances through the
procedure set forth. Nor shall it be construed to prevent the city commission from placing ballot questions on its own motion for consideration or reconsideration by the electorate or any initiative or referendum ordinance. And we understand
Senate Bill um 718 came about and says that that the that the ordinances for LDRs will not be allowed to be put on uh for um consideration at a referendum. But that's not that doesn't change the charter. You
have to change the charter and get the approval of the people to eliminate that section in order for you to be doing what you're doing. Thank you, >> Ellen L. Allen. >> Hi, my name is Alan Luck. Uh, 123 East
Bay Drive on Treasure Island on Sunset Beach District 4. Uh, one thing I also want to say is that I'm recognizing a lot of people I see uh as I wave to you with the sign in my hand and I just want to wave to you all because I'm the one
that says the signs that I'm call nickname me the Mr. Sign man of Treasure Island. >> I just wanted to say one thing that I wanted to thank uh Commissioner Clark and Mr. Dicki and I mean Commissioner
Dicki, I'm sorry, for their no vote and we appreciate that as constituents of yours and we want to see that happen some more. Thank you. >> Thank you,
>> West Evans. >> Thank you, commissioners. West Evans, Isa Palms. Uh I just wanted to speak about the need for a master plan. Notice it wasn't on the agenda. Uh we discussed it. It's been weeks now and one of the
big arguments against a master plan is it would take too long to to make it happen. Uh Jim Brainard said it could be enacted 30 to 60 days and that means we've already uh could have been a month
into the process. Now, um earlier tonight, we saw there's also possible grant money that could be had for a master plan, master plan writer, uh developer, whatever the official
title is for it. Um that seems like something we should be going for. And I know now there's talk of PDS uh which came out of nowhere but everyone knows and I believe Jim Brainard even discussed it. Maybe it was just to us in the lobby at some point.
Uh PDS are something that can be used within a master plan. Uh so if we start with a master plan like a lot of the people want uh you know maybe we'll have a little more
confidence in you guys and you guys can uh be doing what's right for the residents and everyone will be a little happier because it'll seem like we're being listened to. Uh and that's all I want to say. Thank you.
All right. And that will close out our public comment and we will now be moving on to items of business. And uh Mr. Attorney, do you want to kind of walk us through uh the quasi judicial
proceeding that's coming up? >> Yes. So, this is a quasi judicial proceeding different than the legislative ones we were discussing earlier or will be discussing later. Um in quasa judicial hearings we have a couple components. One is swearing of all witnesses. So all testimony will be
under oath. The second thing we'd like to do is exparte communications should be disclosed by the city council or city commissioner. Um, if you've sp spoken to the applicant, if you've spoken to neighbors, if you've spoken to anyone
else or done your own research or looked at things beyond the this hearing, we should disclose who you spoke to at the beginning of the hearing before the public comment so that the public knows who you've spoken to as well as the applicant knows who you've spoken to and what you might have considered. Um, from
here, um, we'll let the city um, proceed with with the hearings. But first, I want to swear the witnesses. In most of my cities, the city clerk swears the witness. I could swear them if you'd like. >> You could swear them. >> Um, this will be my first one, too. So, >> let's have you swear them. >> Okay. Um, if you intend to speak, could
you please stand and raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear sincerely and truly to affirm that the evidence that you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. You may be seated. And then if we could go through the DAS and if you have any Dex parte
disclosures. If you have none, if you simply say none, that's fine. >> None. >> None. >> None. >> None. >> The only disclosure I have, I haven't talked with anybody about it, but I did uh visit the property site uh yesterday. >> Okay.
You may proceed. >> Mr. Did you want the applicant to present first or >> It could go either way. I'm not sure the procedure in your city. If it's the applicant to go first, you can have the applicant present their case and then have the staff go second. >> Yeah, that works. Uh because normally at the planning and zoning board, we would
have the applicant present, followed up by SAS president. >> Sounds good. Is the applicant here to present? >> Yes. >> Good evening. Uh thank you all very much for your time today. I am very grateful. My name is Jason Ma. I brought my kids Maya and Jack. They're learning about
government in school and they asked to be here. So, thank you for indulging all of us. My son actually wrote a letter to the mayor of his fictional town asking for the baseball stadium to be moved closer to his house. I don't think our ask is as much, but but we'll see. Um I
I very much appreciate your time this evening. Um, we are residents at 85 uh76 West Gulf Boulevard. It is our hope, it's our plan to want to live in Treasure Island full-time. Um, we love
it here. Uh, we currently live in Tampa. We bought this property in 2023 before the hurricanes, hoping to move here immediately. Um, as you all know, I know I'm preaching the converted hurricane Helen and Milton. unprecedented events uh caused us to lose our house as many
others. Uh we have been eager to want to build for the last 13 months. Um we understand because of where we are on the beach there is this new erosion control line. It has not yet been set. We were hoping it would be set in May.
It's been about 6 months now. Um I understand two weeks ago an adjacent landowner was before you with a very similar variance ask. I understand that you tabled that ask. I'll ask that you treat this a little bit differently and I just have three points for your
consideration. The first is every week or every two weeks since May, I have emailed the city, I have emailed the state, and I've emailed the petitioner on this erosion control line to ask for an update. I keep being told it's imminent. It's been
6 months. Nothing has happened so far. Our variance request is to simply build up to the erosion control line that I understand will be set. It just has not been set. I know two weeks ago when this similar ask was made, it was thought of that, you know, this will be set soon.
In two weeks, I haven't seen any progress and I just don't know when any progress will be set. My second consideration for you to think about is I understood two weeks ago um Vice Mayor Vasquez raised the concern that I think is fair that our ask is for
a zero setback and the precedent that that could cause. Um respectfully, I don't think this is a precedent. I think hurricanes Helen and Milton were unprecedented. I think to the extent this does set a precedent, it sets a precedent that when we have devastating
hurricanes and when we have an erosion control line that will be set, homeowners can build up to those erosion control lines. I don't think this sets terrible precedent that you will need to contend with with future variance requests. Third, and finally, um we want to build
with local builders. We want to build with Treasure Island builders or builder Mada is here is in Treasure Island. We want to use local folks here. We're committed to this community. We're committed to being here full-time. I'd ask that if you can help us with this variance, we are committed to using Treasure Island folks to build immediately and to build in accordance
with a line that I hope will be set very soon. My final comment and then I'll stop is um if you're inclined to table this, I understand. I'll be disappointed, but I'll understand. Um I'll just ask that if you can give me a firm date to come back here. Um because I've been waiting
for 6 months for this line to be set with no end in sight. So my ask very clearly is to grant the variance, but if not to just give me a firm date to be able to come back and to petition you again. Thank you so much for the consideration. I'm I'm deeply grateful.
>> All right. Um so just kind of give a little background. Um of course none of you have to deal with this variance type of thing before. Um so in section 70-221 there is eight criteria that has to be substantially met to grant a variance for this. Um staff's analysis has gone
through this eight criteria and out of those eight only two of them have been met and that's why staff has gone through with recommending to table this variance request until the erosion control line is established or to deny the variance based off the criteria has
not been substantially satisfied. Do we have any kind of update or anything from the county as to because I know originally it was said like toward the end of November, 1st of December, um we should have something. Have we heard
anything I know it's government and I know >> Yeah. U personally I have not. Uh I know Mary Ellen has been she has been in contact with staff with the county so we're still waiting to hear back from them as well. >> Okay. Thank you. The zero setback the applicant is asking
for uh is based on the current erosion control line. How much of a setback if this were approved, how much uh how far would the pool be from the new erosion control line? >> Okay. Um so just to clarify, this is going to actually be a construction of a
new single family. Um the previous one was for a pool. This one's for a house. Um, so as you can see on the site plan up there, um, with the new ECL, they would far exceed the future 10-ft setback. Um, so you're looking at approximately maybe about 10 ft. They
would be set back from the new ECL, about 10 to 15 ft. >> Okay. And what's the requirement >> right now? The required setback is 10 feet. Okay. Um, I I guess the vice mayor asked the same question, but do we have anyone
here that can reach out and like get an answer on when this thing is going to be decided? >> I I uh at the >> I don't know I don't know if the city man I don't know who, but yeah, I mean >> it's tough. I mean, if we find out it's going to be next Wednesday, that's a lot
different than, you know, February 31st of or February 30th or 28th of, you know, 2026. So, >> yeah, I mean, I can definitely get, as you know, like the applicant's agent, um, Hendrickx, he's been in contact with the county as well, too. So, I can get with Bobby, Mary Ellen, make sure that
we can reach out to them as well, too. Um, but there's also one thing I want to point out. um variances have to based off of the condition now, not something that could possibly happen in the future. Just make that point. So, um we already have one
uh homeowner that uh that wanted um the variance and the erosion control line. Um it's the same situation basically that's and I think that what
we did is we we tabled uh correct >> that's correct >> that one was was tabled and I think that uh that if we're going to be fair about it uh we need to table this one as well >> and I would agree I will say something
to consider that the applicant requested that I kind of tend to lean a little bit on if you all agree is, you know, they've said they would have it the reset. I mean, do we is it and and I
guess it's a question for you as well. Um kind of a set date, okay, if by our meeting in Janu, you know, I think our first meeting is like the 6th or something in January. If the county hasn't done it at that point, is it something we can look at again? Yes,
it's probably a good idea to continue to a date certain to a specific future meeting. That way, you won't have to readvertise and renotice and we can come back and and find out that information. If we need to continue it one more time, we can do that. I don't know the
anticipated date of the new ECL. So, >> and the reason I >> would give us time to find that out or maybe it'll happen in the meantime. >> That's that's my thoughts and the reason I feel that way. The other one was a pool. This one is a house. So, it's a to
me I mean I don't want to set again I said it in the last one. I don't want to set the precedence on you know definitely. Um but on the zero setback however I if it's not done at that time and we look at it again can it
be tabled once more if >> yes >> nobody you know if we don't have the appetite for that at that point it can be tabled again. >> Yes. But your suggestion would be to put a date on it. >> Um, if you don't put a date on it, you can um continue to do it, but you got to
do the notice all over again. So, the applicant has to mail notice to the neighbors and the notice goes out. >> Could we all agree maybe to table it till January 6th and look at it again? I mean, I don't know how anybody else feels about that, but
that's kind of my thoughts on it. And hopefully before that the county has done their thing because I know it was stated end of November 1st of December which would probably mean the end of the year but >> I don't want to hold it off longer but
I'm just wondering what the holiday >> I think that's a good suggestion that uh we hold it off till I guess it's the January 20th meeting uh that that with the holidays coming up it's not likely we're going to see a lot of action from the county on this. >> Yeah, that's a good point with the
holidays >> and that that prevents the uh applicant from having to go through the >> right >> the advertising and promotion uh piece be and of course if the if the uh new ECL comes out then there's no reason to
even have this uh meeting you you won't need the variance. All right. >> All right. So, uh, with this being the judicial, how do we make that? I think it was up here motion to continue this
item until January 20th at 6 pm. The city commission has determined that um this unnecessary hardship um does not exist pursuant to section 70-221
of the Treasure Island Code of Ordinance and has moved to table this until January 20th at 6 p.m. and a variance request to section 68-541
for the 10-ft variance to the rear waterfront setback resulting in zero foot setback for the construction of a single family residence. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Any public comment?
I don't have any here. So, uh, let's go ahead and do a roll call. Vice Mayor Bazquez. >> I, Commissioner Sison, >> hi. >> Commissioner Clark, >> hi. >> Commissioner Dicki, >> hi. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I moving on.
We're now getting into the uh the second uh reading of or ordinance 202516. Um would you please read the the ordinance? >> Yes, I can read the ordinance. Let me just pull it up here so I have the uh
header. An ordinance of the city commission of the city of Treasure Island, Florida. Ordinance 2025-16 amending the text of the adopted comprehensive plan to adopt alternative temporary lodging density and intensity
standards in resort facilities medium RMF30 and resort facilities high RFM50 future land use categories by amending policy 1.1.3 of the city's adopted comprehensive plan
providing for transmitt to the reviewing agencies in this case adop option and transmitted to the reviewing agencies in accordance with the requirements of law providing for severability and providing for an effective date. This ordinance is second reading. This is after the first
transmitt to the state has already occurred. Now you're at the second reading. This is a legislative item for you to consider. >> All right. Any uh discussion?
I I we we've had a lot of discussion on this already and we've heard from the residents uh repeatedly and very vocally about this subject. So my position has not changed. I'm opposed to this ordinance. Uh having said that, uh one other additional piece of information
I'd like to add that I why I'm opposed to 202516 in particular is it's not consistent with 202517 and 202517 uh for the LDRs. We uh we removed RFM30.
Uh this uh 202516 still has RFM30 in it. And the two need to be consistent with each other. We can't have a uh comprehensive plan that says you can do this in RFM50 and RFH50 RFH50 and RFM30
and LDRs that say differently. So, uh, I I reject this for several reasons, but but, uh, including the fact that it's not consistent with with what we have agre what we agreed on, uh, on 202517. >> Is Gavin here?
>> Do you have a question on it or >> I I do. Um, one of the things that we did is we we took a step back and took out 30. >> Correct. >> And so that it would only be sitting at 50. And I from what I'm understanding
that 30 is still >> So so the comprehensive plan um deals with density specifically and and lists certain things and then the LDRs fall underneath that. they oftentimes mirror each other, but as long as there's not
an outright confliction between them, then the LDRs can can be in this case uh more narrow than the overall comprehensive plan. So, at some future date, if you wanted to come back in and amend an LDR to add in or take away, you
can do that. So what you guys did is to prevent having to go back to the state for comments and then bringing it back down, >> you amended the LDR, land development regulation, um, and kept the comp plan the same. So all this is is just simply the comments
from the state came back. There were no comments from the state and so now this is the the proc in the process would be the second approval if you move forward with this or denial whichever of um the comprehensive plan as was originally submitted to the state. The LDRs are a
separate thing that's obviously u in 17 in a different part of it. So >> so there is no conflict with the two uh that are going to be here which is uh G2 and G3 tonight being discussed. So there's not a legal
conflict. Um there I do think you could make an argument that they're not the same. Um and but my my legal opinion is there's no legal conflict in the sense of the traditional sense that case law determines conflict between comprehensive plan and the LDR because
the LDR is more narrow. Um it's not expanding. So, if it were the other way around, if the LDR had a wider swath than the comp plan allowed, that would be a conflict. But the comp plan is more wide. The LDR is more narrow.
>> Okay. >> Thank you, >> Ralph. Do you agree with that? >> No, I could explain a little bit. So you have the comprehensive plan and that's you think of it as a larger bubble and then within that large bubble of what's allowed you can have zoning
LDRs that are more restrictive. So right now your comp plan RMF 50, RMF30, they would both be increased in height under the comp plan amendment, but you could still be more restrictive on your land development regulations for the moment and only approve one or both or none of
them in the zoning land development regulations. You can also change what you sent to the state. If you sent to the state and you're doing something less rather than adding more, you can take something out. So if you wanted to take out
RFM30 from the comp plan amendment. You could do that. You're going to send it back to the state and then they'll let you know if you're not in compliance, but they have not found any plan amendments not in compliance in the last six years. So, that's unlikely. And you're actually doing something that's
more restrictive than what you told them that you were going to do. Same thing with Penllis County. So, you could limit your comp plan amendment to RMF50 if you wanted to do just that one. remove our R our R our FM30 from both the comp plan
and the land development regulations. You can do that tonight if you wanted to. >> As previously discussed, that would have to go back to the state. Again, it's unlikely there would be, but yeah. >> So, you're going to have to send it back to the state after adoption and then they'll let you know whether they approve it.
>> Is that clear? I I always like the image that I think is easiest to see it is like a reverse pyramid. At the top is the comprehensive plan. Wide goals overarching. LDRs are more narrow. They're moving towards the tip of the pyramid. So that's that's
where as long as the LDRs are more narrow, then they're generally within compatible. And so if you wanted both to be the same, you could and you could submit it back to the state, but that would be that the process of waiting to hear back from the state or you can
again do whatever you guys that's a policy decision. But legally, >> it yeah, the way it is currently um is allowed, it might not be congruent in the sense of they're not they might not be the same, but they are legally
um compatible. It's it when you think about narrow, think about more strict. So the comprehensive plan can can be allow more and then currently your land development regulations can be more strict. They can be more restrictive. Um
the comp plan sends a future goal for some time in the future where the land development and zoning regulations say what's appropriate now at this moment in time. So just because you do a comp plan doesn't mean that that's a maximum or a minimum now. You can still set your
zoning to be more restrictive than the comp plan. You can't do the other way around. Your comp plan um um can't do your your comp your your land development regulations can't allow more than your comp plan. And then remember this is all
legislative. You're the legislative body. It's up to you. Just because an applicant asked for it doesn't mean that you're stuck with those. You can do whatever you want to do because it's a legislative determination. Approve it, deny it, or change it. modify it. >> I'd like to hear from uh the
Thunderbird's uh attorney. >> Would you do you have questions or would you like me to do my presentation? >> I'd like you to do your presentation. >> That's what I thought. I don't know if it is here to pull up our presentation. We did provide it ahead of time. Or Bobby Shady. Thank you. Well, let's see.
Not that one. That one. Perfect. The clicker. Mhm. >> Oh, good. Perfect. We're working. >> All right. Thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners. appreciate your time as always on this matter. So, you all know
me by now. My name is Lauren Rubenstein. I'm with Hillward Henderson and I'm here on behalf of the applicant, Thunderbird uh Beach Reser Resort. And with me tonight is Gelad Ovein and behalf of the ownership as well as Donna Jollymore,
the general manager. And uh they I know um have some comments they would like to add after me. If I may, I'll I'll do the presentation for both G2 and G3 and then we could incorporate it into the record of both.
I think that would help streamline things. So, the countywide plan rules are something that we've talked about at length and something that makes Penllis County a little bit unique. You know, we have 24 local municipalities plus Penllis County. And as such, this the
legislature said, "We really need a countywide planning authority that's going to come in and help make sure that everyone uh is consistent with each other to some degree." And they've adopted these countywide rules. These rules do require that we be consistent
with them. And much to the same um conversation that was just had as far as being consistent with your comp plan, you can certainly be more strict than the countywide rules. You can't be over broad. you can't you can't allow more than the countywide rules allow. You
cannot conflict with them. So, when we first started this project and looking at the code and looking at the countywide rules and working with staff to find a way to get some increased density and intensity on the
Gulf side of Gulf Boulevard in order to build and redevelop the Thunderbird that was um unfortunately substantially damaged in the hurricane. Uh we worked with staff and we found that there is alternative temporary lodging density and intensity standards in the
countywide rules. These have been adopted by other jurisdictions and incorporated in various ways. And the countywide rules do allow for this alternative temporary lodging in certain areas as an economic development tool and to support the number one
industry in the county which of course is tourism. So you can see over there on the table, that's what the table from the countywide rules exactly and the plan categories that it's allowed in. And so it's resort, activity center,
multimodal corridor, and planned redevelopment districts. And so for a local government in order to utilize these alternative standards, you have to adopt them into your comprehensive plan or some version of them. And you update then your land development regulations
to provide where uh and what districts, as long as they comply with the plan categories in the countywide plan, could potentially utilize these um alternative densities and intensities in the form of a development agreement.
So the proposed comprehensive plan amendment in front of you today would incorporate the alternative temporary lodging and density standards into the city's comprehensive plan for those areas designated on the countywide map as resort. So as you just discussed those areas on your in your zoning
districts that are resort under the countywide map are RFH50 and RFM30. So this comprehensive plan amendment when we uh amended the LDRs to take out the RFM30
uh it was not requested to take it out of the comprehensive plan amendment understanding that you could take it out of your LDRs and not allow anyone in the RFM30 to avail themselves of this until at such time in the future you may decide you want to or if you never do
you could certainly take it out. Uh just to be very clear, this does not entitle properties in the resort category to build these densities or intensity. It simply allows the city to formulate the regulations which would
permit property owners to request a additional density or intensity as part of a development agreement with the city for their specific property. So again, it's sight specific. So standards for review that you do have
in your code for a comprehensive plan amendment really apply to the LPA and this did go in front of the local planning agency and they found that the proposed plan would meet the applicable level of service standards established in the comprehensive plan and the proposed plan amendment is in harmony
with the general intent of the comprehensive plan. So that brings us to ordinance 2025-17 and that's that land development regulation text amendment ordinance and that is item G3 on your agenda tonight.
So the proposal is to allow for the increased alternative temporary lodging units in resorts facility zoning in alignment with the countywide plan and is proposed to only be applied to resorts facilities high and again with a development agreement. That's a
requirement. It's a requirement in what we've proposed in your in your LDRs. It's also a requirement under the countywide rules. So you cannot a property owner cannot utilize any of this additional density without a proposed development agreement. So each site is sight each request is
sightsp specific. So in order for let's say this is passed tonight in order for a property owner to then come in and try to utilize any amount of this density I mean and it's not these are maximums right they have to come in with a
proposed development order development agreement excuse me and your code does define it has a nice definition for a development agreement a written agreement between the city and a property owner that identifies fees dedications exactions and other public
improvements or construction controls that will be provided by the developer and the land development regulations that will be applied by the city during the term of the agreement. So a couple things I want to talk about that on first is the requirements of the
development agreement that you get to consider right design considerations scale height width setbacks etc. Development agreements are a powerful tool for this commission. They allow you to consider things that otherwise you really aren't allowed to
consider. It gives you the opportunity when a site comes in to say, "Here's what we would like to do. Here's what our project would look like. Here's what we could give back to the community." And you could say, you know, I really don't like that color. I really don't
like that architecture feature, right? or you know, I don't mind if you want a few more rooms, but you're going to have to give me a beach access easement because I want the public to have another way to get to the beach. Or you have to leave your rooftop bar open to the locals so that they don't have to be
a member to attend and, you know, go to the bar. They don't have to be a guest of the hotel. They could come and enjoy a cocktail on the roof or a mocktail and just sit back and enjoy the sunset. You can make those kinds of provisions in a development agreement that you can't
just do under a typical code provision. So you have those design considerations which are powerful concurrency management standards. We have to make sure that of course the sewer, the water, the utilities, everything is there and is able to service this
proposed development. Again, we're sight specific. And if it's not, then you can require the developer to fund a lot of those improvements. Compliance with county and city hurricane evacuation plans and procedures. We know how important that is. That's that's a requirement. Has to
be met. Mobility management. Operating characteristics and restrictions. These are for temporary lodging rooms only. They cannot become condos. They can't become short-term vacation rentals. They have certain restrictions that have to be incorporated in part of that development agreement. Those are part of
the countywide rules as well. And so as part of those negotiations, the city can require public benefits and protections. These could include such as dedicating land for public use, constructing public infrastructure, including public amenities such as
parking, beach access, those sort of things. So in summary, your code of course provides the maximum of the hotel units, the floor area ratio and the height that could be allowed, but city commission, you still control what density,
intensity or height is permitted on a projectby- project basis. A development agreement is going to require public hearings before the LPA and the city commission. And it gives the city commission far more discretion to approve or deny a project than a typical
quasi judicial resoning or a plan development agreement or zoning district. So, the changes that we've proposed, I know we've gone over them a lot, but of course there's always um new members of the public here, so I want to be clear of exactly what we're proposing. We've
added the definitions to include the temporary uh lodging unit and alternative temporary lodging use as well as made sure that your hotel and motel units uh cross reference accordingly so we are clear that that's what they apply to.
You have your property development zoning regulations for the RFH district. So these again incorporate the same uh standards, alternative standards that are set forth in the countywide rules.
And then you have your schedule of lot and bulk regulations. So you'll see on here you have the hotel motel which we haven't changed. So hotel motel schedule of block regulations. You still have your um current
density and intensity as well as height at 60 ft. Alternative temporary lodging. The next line down over for hotels and motel. We have updated to be consistent with your other regulations but allow for a
potential height increase to the 80 ft. We proposed that um for a couple of reasons. one, if there's going to be intense in additional intensity or density, you're probably going to need a little more area to construct that. So,
we we added the up to 80 ft. There's also, of course, the resiliency requirements and and new building codes and things that everything is lifted some, as well as the ability to add additional parking, that sort of thing. And again, those are things that you can look at as part of that development
agreement and say, you know, if you include an additional level of parking, maybe we'll let you go to seven over one instead or, you know, seven floors so that you can get some of those additional parking spaces. or we want you to have increased setbacks because
we want to have more of a view of the ocean or we want that beach access to be dedicated to the public and so perhaps we'll let you go a little bit higher or we don't want you to go higher. We'll give you a few more rooms but we're not going to allow any additional height. It
gives you that flexibility and that it's not anything that you have to approve. The adjacent existing height to show you, you know, the 80 ft that's proposed is really consistent with what's around. You've got the Opal Treasure Island
Resort at 74T. Uh the original Treasure Sands is, you know, an outlier. It's much higher. And then you have the Bill, which is six stories above retail. Then we have the text in your um proposed ordinance as to development
agreements and it's lengthy so I've summarized it here but it's those things we've already talked about what it must include. You do have standards for review again for the local planning agency to uh review as part of a proposed text
amendment. We did take this amendment to the local planning agency and they found that it was consistent with the city's comprehensive plan and consistent with applicable sections of the land development regulations. Now, I'm going to flip forward a little
bit to just go over a couple of items because there's been a new um discussion about plan development and I have no idea what what the city wants to do, right? Maybe it's plan development, maybe it's a master plan. There's a lot of different things going on. But I
think I want to make clear to the commission tonight is that this is not an eitheror. It's not a if you approve this, you can approve that. There really isn't a conflict between what's being proposed here and plan development districts. And really, I would even
submit even a master plan there. the process and requirements looking at development agreements in particular and plan development site specific both of them public hearings before the LPA and the city commission both of them require
that flexible dis development standards to encourage better development again both of them would require that potential increased temporary lodging density and intensity under the development agreement that form that we've proposed yes that's included under
a plan development, you only get additional density or intensity if you amend your comp plan to provide for that in those plan development districts. So that's going to require some changes if that was to be the desire of the commission. The ability to negotiate
public benefits or exactions from the developer, that's allowed in a development agreement. Um plan development, not so much. Not unless there's also a development agreement with it. you have to apply the criteria and the specific requirements under your code in that. So I think it does offer a
stepping stone if plan development is the way to go. It certainly doesn't conflict. Same with same with the idea for a master plan. You're adding this potential increase in density and intensity to your comp plan. you're
still regain contain regain you're still keeping the control if you will of um each site and which developments you would approve or not approve and if you approve these ordinances that are before
you tonight which we respectfully request that you do it allows the Thunderbird to move forward with redevelopment. The Thunderbird's been sitting there, of course, like many of the other properties since it was substantially damaged in 24 in the
hurricane season. They have worked tirelessly to try and come up with what they believed with staff was a very appropriate uh amendment to your code that would allow you to allow redevelopment on the
Gulf and see that catalyst start that redevelopment for the rest of Treasure Island to stabilize that tax base that desperately needs to be stabilized. bring the tourists back and as you said in the beginning of the meeting which
you know I I quite frankly agree with the PD discussion is being set off it's going to be a workshop it's going to take time and this you're looking at if this is approved within 30 days after the appeal period is over the
Thunderbird could come in with a development agreement proposal and begin those negotiations and begin the process for redevelopment, which would be exciting. It would let people come back to the island and will let them continue
their commitment that they've showed since 1957 when they opened the doors. So, with that, I know that Miss Jollymore from the Thunderbird does have a presentation as well, but I'm happy to answer any questions uh or respond at
the end of public comment if you wish. >> Thank you. I don't know if there's someone to switch over the presentation. >> I think it's that one right there. >> This one. >> Yes. Thank you so much.
>> Hi, good evening, Mayor Doctor, Vice Mayor Vasquez, City Commissioner, city staff, residents. Um, thank you for joining us tonight. Uh, we did want to take some time this evening to go over our dedication and commitment to Treasure Island and also to the residents of Treasure Island.
Um, first I wanted to talk about the tourist development tax information. This information is directly from Visit St. Pete Clearwater. Uh, Treasure Island is in the top five communities for collecting bed tax in the county. Um $114 million of the $125 million that's
currently being spent for the beach reourishment that's going on right now at Sunset Beach is paid by this bed tax that's collected from the hotels from the tourists. Um elite funding of just over $2.6 million is was approved for
2025. that supports over 30 events um including standing ovations, the Grand P Grand Grand Prix, the Valpar Championship, the Anakah Championship and most of the many festivals throughout the year. Um also capital expenditures supported by the bed tax
includes the Deli Museum, the Paladium Theater, the Marine Art Center, the Chuli Museum, and the Eddie Seymour softball complex in conjunction with ESPN Sports. Um, envisioning Treasure Allen's future through the city's voice. Um, the goal
of the city of the Treasure Island from the city of Treasure Island is that the city shall ensure that the residential character of the city is maintained and protected while maximizing the potential for economic benefit resulting from the tourist trade and professional services.
um maximizing the quality of life through the enjoyment of natural and man-made resources by the citizens and visitors alike and also minimizing the threat to health, safety and welfare posed by hazards, nuisances, incompatible land uses and environmental changes.
Um our community benefit and public commitment summary. Um basically this is the start of our suggestions of what we'd like to offer to the community and the residents of Treasure Island. Uh we're very excited to share our vision for the redevelopment project. Um it's
designed not only to revitalize a property, but also to strengthen and enhance a long-standing partnership with the city and local community as well. Um as part of our commitment to being responsible and engaged partners, we've developed a list of suggested community givebacks um initiatives that positively
impact residents, local vis businesses, and visitors alike. Um, these initiatives represent real ongoing commitments that we have proudly upheld for years and will continue to honor upon reopening. Um, they're not aspirational promises. They've been
established practices and tangible benefits that directly serve our community. Um, at the same time, we know the best outcomes come from collaboration. The ideas reflect feedback we've received from neighbors, city staff, and most importantly, a lot of the local residents comments that
we've seen. Uh but we welcome additional input, suggestions, and feedback to ensure that the give backs truly meet the needs and priorities of the community. Um the first of our suggestions, connecting our community to the coast. We're proud to support projects that
enhance access, connection, and inclusivity along the beautiful stretch of Treasure Island. Uh we'd like to add a public beachwalk access which would be a walkway um that's built along the south property line featuring a 10- foot wide walkway lined with palm trees. Um
it would be a thoughtful addition that strengthens the community's connection from Golf Boulevard to the beach providing a scenic and welcoming path for all to enjoy. In addition to that, we'd like to expand on that and add an ADA accessible pathway. Um, this ADA accessible pathway would be include an
ADA accessibility beachmat all the way from the end of the boardwalk there to the shoreline. That way we can ensure that everybody regardless of mobility can experience the joy of Treasure Island um the beaches. Creating
barrierfree pathways is an essential part of our commitment to inclusivity and community well-being, allowing every visitor and local to enjoy the beach safely and comfortably. Um, parking. We'd like to enhance access with some parking. We've dedicated to
creating spaces that serve not only our guests, but our entire Treasure Island community. Um, so we're adding some public parking as part of the site design. The spaces will be added on property to better accommodate the local beachgoers and visitors. Um, the plan anticipates approximately 30 additional
spots beyond what is required, offering convenient access for Treasure Island residents and the public. Providing more parking uh near the shoreline helps ease congestion and ensures that everyone can enjoy the beach with ease. Uh it's one more way we're investing in our community and enhancing the overall
Treasure Island experience uh for the locals and the visitors alike. Um the restaurants and the tiki bar will be open to the public. Uh we believe our spaces should be shared and enjoyed by everyone who loves Treasure Island. Uh that's why our on-site restaurant and
Tika Bar will remain open to the public, offering welcoming atmosphere for both visitors and locals. Uh whether you'll be staying at the resort or simply stopping by for a sunset cocktail, delicious meal, or live entertainment, the doors will always be open. These spaces are designed to bring community
together, uh celebrating the spirit of Treasure Island through great food, friendly faces, and golf views. Um, by keeping our restaurant and tiki bar open to all, we're continuing our commitment to being more than a resort. We're a gathering place for our neighbors, guests, and the Treasure Island
community. Um, we'd like to have live entertainment for everyone. We're proud to bring music and community together in the heart of Treasure Island. Um, the central stage would host a variety of live performances throughout the week, open to the public and always free to enjoy.
From the local musicians and beachside concerts to special performances, each event will add to the lively, welcoming spirit that defines our resort and community. Guests and visitors can relax along the scenic public boardwalk, take um in the views, and enjoy the sounds of Treasure Island. It's a space designed
for connection where friends, families, and neighbors can gather, celebrate, and create lasting memories together. um infrastructure. Our team has um uh contacted and worked with FDOT to
improve the infrastructure at the intersection of G Boulevard and Central Avenue. This includes improvements to the traffic light system in the medians along Golf Boulevard. Uh the Thunderbird will be responsible for these improvements and the project will be implemented according to the FDOT
guidelines. Uh public art installations. The project will feature locally inspired public art installations designed to celebrate the unique culture of the community and to enhance the streetscape by partnering with renowned local artists. The
initiative not only beautifies public spaces but also supports the creative talent that defines the area. In the past, we've collaborated with artists like the remarkable Alyssa Marie, um whose vibrant murals um drew visitors from across the region, uh creating
memorable experience and photo opportunities while strengthening the community pride. These installations will continue that tradition, highlighting local voices and making art an integral part of the neighborhood experience. Um some other enhancements, a kids
playground. The kids playground will be rebuilt with modern, safe, and engaging features, reinforcing the family-friendly atmosphere and creating a welcoming space for uh children and parents alike. Uh we'll also add some bike racks. Convenient bicycle racks will be added to encourage alternative
transportation, enhance visitor mobility. Um some of our community involvement in uh civic partnerships. Um, now granted, um, our past involvement includes and hopefully, you know, we'll be able to continue with all of this once we
reopen, um, assuming everything's still around, the annual kite festival. We hosted that every year. Uh, we were a sponsor of the Sanding Ovations Festival. Uh, we hosted the annual Sunset League of Cities um, event at the Tiki Bar to kick off the Sanding Ovations. The last three years, um, we
were the host of the annual run for the beaches. Uh we participated in postevent beach cleanups. So staff assisted in the beach cleanup efforts following large community events. Um community sponsorships and donations. We always did ongoing support for various
community events and charitable causes throughout the year. Um, we were the sponsor of the Waves of Hope relief organized by Travis Bonino and his remarkable team at the Salsto's restaurant in Utah, which provided direct support to Treasure Island following the hurricane. Uh, we consider
these actions a vital part of our identity and they weren't optional gestures. They represent the genuine collaboration and shared pride in our city's coastal character and quality of life. We fully intend to continue these commitments for as long as these events and partnerships exist.
Um some environmental and resilience commitments. Uh native landscaping. We intend on landscaping will feature native and adaptive plant species to promote sustainability. Uh reduce irrigation needs and enhance a coastal ecosystem. Um energy efficiency will
install energy efficient systems and design measures will be incorporated with final specifications to be determined. Um during the design process uh storm water management any required storm w storm water improvements will be implemented in coordination with the
city in the environmental standards. um doing our part for paradise. Um we're proud to partner Treasure partner with Treasure Island Adopta Beach and keep penellis beautiful as part of our ongoing ongoing commitment to environmental and community resilience uh with the Treasure Island Adopta Beach
uh through our partnership um with them. Our team participates in organized cleanups to help maintain the natural beauty of the shoreline. Uh the guests are always welcome to join us in keeping our beach pristine and litter-free. Um, we intend on adding a boardwalk water
station, which would encourage reusable bottles and reducing single-use plastics. We also intend on taking part in the take a toy, leave a toy box, a community toy exchange for beachgoers to share and reuse. Uh, we also intend to add a beach bucket station, grab a
bucket, collect debris, and help keep our beach pristine. um and ongoing efforts which would be expanding sustainability practices through local partnerships and community-led initiatives. Uh together we're building a cleaner, more resilient Treasure Island, one small action at a time.
Um so moving forward together, our suggested improvements do align with the vision of the city of Treasure Island. Um the city's future vision emphasizes that the city shall ensure the residential character of our community and that it's maintained and protected. The Thunderbird Beach Resort is
committed to aligning with that vision by supporting thoughtful, responsible improvements that strengthen the neighborhood, enhance the quality of life, and contribute positively to the local environment. Uh, maximizing economic benefit for the community. To support the city's long-term economic
goals, the resort backs adoption of the countywide plans of resort area high designation, of course, uh, while committing to a building height of only up to 80 feet and not a high-rise. This approach ensures tourism growth is well managed, appropriately scaled and
beneficial to the residents and businesses alike. And again, it's up to the 80 feet is consistent with the landscape that's there with the Bill Mahar and the Treasure Island Beach Resort. Um, advancing quality of life enhancements. Our proposed improvements
include expanded beach access, an ADA compliant beachmat, extending to the shoreline, a a dedicated children's play area, and continued partnership with Treasure Island Adopt a Beach and Keep Penelis Beautiful uh to support the sustainability. We will also incorporate
additional recommendations from the city staff and the commissioners uh coordinating essential infrastructure improvements. We are actively working with FDOT on required improvements. Our civil engineer will collaborate directly with the city to address and resolve any potential infrastructure needs
efficiently and responsible responsibly and we will definitely take care of all concerns. Um, any questions? >> Okay, thank you. >> Great. Thanks, Donna. >> All right.
any uh discussion up here before we go to public comments? >> I actually would like to >> Okay. >> Um so I have a question. I'm not sure which one of you would be able to answer it. So um it's been very clear. Um you know
the master plan's been talked about a lot. Um and that kind of it wasn't my agenda item. Um and uh it was pretty obvious that the you know the commissioners that did want
the master plan, it was only one. I actually was the one who said that it needed to go through the normal procure procurement process. Um and then we could do interviews and and choose the the proper one and it just went away. um
it wasn't my item and so I don't know where that stands as far as the master plan. So I wanted to make that really clear. I've never been opposed to a master plan. I was opposed to circumventing the normal procurement process. That's what I was opposed to.
Um moving forward um it's been very very clear to all of us that the citizens do like that idea of a master plan. um and how PDS came into this. We out of 24
municipalities, we are the only municipality who does not have PD zoning in our comp plan. We're we're the only one. The county has it. Every city has it. Um there are tons of misnomers out
there um that deals can be made in the you know darkness. Um there are town halls that have to happen when PDs are used um etc etc. Um I wanted to have um and I believe you know this um I wanted
to have a special meeting to discuss them last week but there was no interest from u my fellow commissioners because I wanted to speak about it before this came um on the agenda this week. Um so I tried to get that discussion to happen
last week so that we could see if that was going to move forward. Um but unfortunately I didn't have the support in that. All that being said um it has been made really clear to um I believe everyone
um that the desire of not all residents by any mean. I believe all residents want to see, you know, the new buildings and and they want to see the city move forward. They want to see downtown developed. Um we all love the Thunderbird. I've said it a million times. You know, I've spent many
sunsets behind the Thunderbird. Um but in this particular case, you know, we have to do what's right for the city and we have to do what's right for the citizens um of the city. Um and
I definitely believe that the master plan if if that's the direction that is the desire of the commission and we go about the procurement process the way we should and PDS can all work together definitely
using development agreements all of the above um all of that can be done um and I'm I'm speaking for myself I don't know how my fellow commissioners, um, Phil. But all of that could be done and moved forward,
um, and really not delay too terribly much, um, with you all because I guess my biggest thing is you guys haven't even applied for a demo permit yet. And
it it's kind of worrisome to me that and and I you know just thinking and listening to constituents and everything else is if there's such an urgency to get this done that we can't wait for the
other then I mean I believe demo is going to take probably at least 6 months to do once you have the permit if not longer. So, while this is all happening and moving forward and going that path,
um, you know, knowing we have to amend, you know, our comp plan and everything to allow for that. Um, I guess my big thing is if if we're doing that, why why not do the demo and why not start the process at the same
time so that when it's all done, we're ready to go. So, I guess that's my big concern. um with with all of it. It is um I love everything that was said. I love the whole um presentation. Um I
always have. I fully support the Thunderbird and all of our hotels and and motel and business owners that are rebuilding. But I guess that would be my big question is why if there is this, you know, why is
this need to be done when there's not even been any talk of demolition or any of that doing at the same time or quite frankly even kind of upkeeping the I've gotten emails about
the property not being upkept with standing ovations coming um and in the backside, you know, just things. Um I don't know if it's been done since, but I received an email a couple um weeks ago about the pool being green and it
just not being kept up. So, I'm just curious, and I again, I don't know who would answer that, why we're not moving forward as far as demo and things like that at the same time if ultimately you have to tear it down.
>> Sure. Good evening. My name is Gilead Vaklin. I'm a part owner of the Thunderbird. As to the question about the demolition, we did receive quotes for demolition. It's pretty expensive, as you may imagine. It's about $400,000 to $500,000 for the
demolition. Obviously, right now, we're sitting with the property for 14 months without any income. We'd like to defer any expense to the time that it's really relevant. by now without having any entitlement there's really no reason to do the demolition. The right time to do it for
us in terms of the perspective is once we get an entitlement meaning when we had the approval right now that we know that we can go to our detail plans detail plans take about three to four months to do it at the same time we can do parallel the demolition that would make more sense for us instead of I'm
sure also in terms of aesthetics it's not going to be the best thing to show over here right now to have another vacant lot over here uh really for no reason. So that's why we chose at the meantime not to >> ultimately you have to tear it down in order to rebuild anyway.
So that would be but I mean your reasons to reason but okay I appreciate that. Thank you. >> Sure. >> And the back of the Thunderbird has been cleaned out. >> Has it? Okay. And and again I hadn't been back there in a couple and I just I
received an email a couple weeks ago asking and then I received one. I think we may have all I think I saw all of us tagged in it um requesting that we ask the Thunderbird to clean it up um for standing ovation um just so it looked a little better.
So, but that's good to know that that was cleaned up. Okay, so let us open up to uh public comment. Um I have quite a few here. Um, they also, some of them are G3, some of them are G2. I think we've kind of
consolidated them. So, I'm going to uh allow if you put G2 or G3, that's what I'm going to be calling out. So, >> I can read the uh G3 header. >> I'm sorry. >> Why don't I read the G3 header then into the record? >> Okay.
>> Okay. G3 Ordinance 2025-17, an ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, amending chapter 868, zoning regulations of the city of Treasure Island code of ordinance to provide for alternative temporary lodging density and intensity standards
by amending section 682 definitions, amending section 68304, property development zoning regulations to include alternate temporary lodging density and intensity standards for the RFH50 zoning
district. Amending section 68431 schedule of lot and bulk regulations. Amending 68496 to provide procedures and requirements for development agreements utilizing alternative temporary lodging density and intensity. providing for
severability, providing for conflict, providing for codification, and providing for effective date. And we would then take take public comment on the plan amendment and the uh land development regulation amend amendment together because they're kind of fused together.
>> Great. Thank you very much. So, uh, Marie Barbara, >> Marie Barbara, um, that, you know, I appreciate the, uh, comprehensive, um, presentation by the Thunderbird um, a gracious um, neighbor,
no doubt. And this is where we have, we want to express the fears from the pres residential side of things and our point of view. Um, I do appreciate that I did that you stipulated um in the I didn't
see that in the ordinance before the 80 um ft of of uh height um because I do think the height should be stipulated um and not just left openly to the development agreement. Um but I uh suggest and would like to suggest five
stories of ATL or hotel synonymous with a hotel ATL above garage. So, four stories is is is what is present. You can build to it now. Go demo and build now at four five stories. I'm sorry,
five stories. And let's uh remind everybody that Mad Beach had uh on the beach side, on the hotel side, our ATL uh units on the beach side, they had them at three stories and they went up to five stories on the beach side. Thank you, Mad Beach. Uh I don't think
Treasure Island should exceed that. and for um just a visual here if you start calculating and this is just an example at an acre uh per property and that's not this is not exact because I don't know what staff has and I don't know if any of you guys know these uh numbers
but these metrics are should be important they should be at the tip of your tongue I don't know if it's just my background you know in engineering that you know this is the way we deal with things day in and day out at presently the hotel just if it was at an acre and you have
20 properties. If you have 50 um units per acre at 20 properties, that equals to a,000. If you have if you are asking to go to 125 at at the 20 um parcels
across the beach, that's 2500. If you are asking us to go from 50 to 75 units per acre times 20 parcels, that's 1,500 units per acre. This is the fear. This is just the hotel side. So you're
right. Presently, let's say uh hypothetically you have a,000. Now you're asking us for 2,500 more units, which is that many more cars just on the hotel side. And um this is a fear of mine because I saw I've been here 45
years. My other half's been here 67 years when Treasure Island actually 68 or whatever. And um it's it's it's um the fear is if we saw what happened with Clearwater Beach and you can't you know we refuse to go there because of the
traffic got so bad. And one of the reasons we do have the clock tower, just for instance, we did have discussed the master plan and we didn't want that roundabout. So that's another thing to consider. I think you should be putting together a co a coalition, a committee
with the residents and developers and staff and I think we should we should get through some of these numbers to get approval. Thank you. >> Thank you, Brandy. Hi, Brandy Long Gulf Boulevard. The developers in our town are pushing hard
for increased heightened density, claiming that our current regulations do not pencil out. Yet, they continue to offer no real data, no breakdown, no numbers, no transparency. Meanwhile, residents have been loud and clear. We want a master plan. We want a unified
vision before we rewrite the city rules. And we refuse to make peace meal decisions that permanently reshape our town without a road map. What exactly doesn't pencil out? Are the current height limits the problem or is it the profit expectations?
Why can't financially responsible projects work within today's density limits? What is the projected return with the current rules versus the return that they're demanding and why all of a sudden planned development makes an
appearance and then move to a workshop? Developers truly believe these drastic change. If the developers truly believe these drastic changes are necessary, then they should have no issue laying out the math for the public to see. This community is not an anti-development.
We are pro- planning, pro- transparency, and pro- accountability. Until a comprehensive m master plan is created by a qualified professional with full public input, no developer should be asking for special treatment or
fasttracked rule changes. We will not trade away the character and future of our town based on vague statements and private interests. Residents deserve clarity. Residents deserve honesty. And residents deserve a master plan before
any major height or density decisions are made. Thank you, >> Grant Smith. Grant, >> good evening, mayor, commissioners. Grant Smith, Sunset Beach. Um, much of what I had to say Brandy covered, so I won't go over it. I would like to
commend the Thunderbird on their wonderful presentation. At least you've taken into account that there is a need for a public benefit consideration. So, I appreciate that. I I'm not sure that the sharpness or the detail on the public benefit was there. I mean, bike
racks, beach access, and $12 pin coladas in exchange for uh up to a 47% increase in height. I'm not sure it's a a real a real fair transaction for us. And to the commissioners, I'd like to
say that at the last commission meeting, I distributed a list of best practices that should be followed with a due diligence process that is rigorous. Considering a the scale and scope of this change, I hope that you've taken a
look at at least some of the practices, some of the information that should be given to you before you even consider a change to this ordinance or any zone or code or anything. Please do the due diligence. Obtain the data necessary to make an informed decision. We're
counting on you. Don't change the character of Treasure Island based upon the unverified, unvalidated request from developers, please. Dary Smith. >> Okay, we're going to need to quiet it
down a little bit. Not as long. >> Derry Smith, >> you're excited. You can get excited in 10 seconds as in 30 seconds. Derry Smith. >> Mine's going to be real quick because there everybody else is better talking
than me. Derry Smith, Sunset Beach. I just want to give to let me see Marie. Um, I want to thank I want to thank all the volunteers that helped. They were
amazing. It was incredible. Um, we've collected and I hear that they I have more coming. Um, we're 750 and uh that's I was going to be happy
with 10% of the population, but people are just continuing to voice that they do not want the increase. Uh they want the master plan and so I hope you will consider that. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Sarah Pennington, >> you guys get me. >> Okay. Chris Downing. >> Evening everyone. Chris Downing, Isa Palms, member of PNZ and the LPA. Uh, you know, I've stood before you many
times. Um, but I think it was at least 6 months ago that I recommended that we consider a master plan to give and to inform the changes to the comprehensive plan and to the LDRs before we make any
changes. We know there's been confusion around a lot of those changes. So, part of the reason for having the master plan is to inform it and so that we can get buy in by the public. And I think all of those signatures that you just saw come up,
they'll be for some increase, some reasonable increase, both probably in height and density if a master plan pulls it together so that everybody can buy in. But I think the public has already spoken. It sounds like this is
going that direction. So, I'm certainly glad to hear that uh the master plan is again being strongly considered. And I'll say one more time, I would hope that one of the commissioners make a motion, even if it wasn't your initial
idea, to get that master plan going. Do, you know, do an RFP or RFQ to get that going. I think it can be done just as fast as anything else. Otherwise, it's all this ends up in legal anyway. And and we want the Thunderbird back. We don't want to slow it down, but it's going to get
slowed down if we just go the way we're going. Thank you. >> Thank you, West Evans. Isa Palms. Uh, if Brandy stole Grant's thunder, apparently for the first time in a long time, the vice
mayor, Tammy Vasquez, has stolen some of mine. I think you read some of my notes. I noticed that uh the same thing uh the Thunderbird's pushing for this, but they haven't even demoed the property yet, which is going to take them uh quite a bit of time to do. So, it seems like uh
they're putting the cart before the horse. Anyway, um, one thing I wanted to point out is I'm not sure if you guys even are clear on what you're voting on tonight because uh, when the when we got to the item,
everyone then look to look to the attorney to explain it to give a cliffnotes version of it. And I think in the future maybe uh it'd be the citizens would be better served if all the commissioners uh everyone on the board
knew exactly what they were voting on. Right now, I'm not sure if you guys know if 30 is included in this vote, if it's 50 and 30, just 50, uh what it is. And uh you know, you look to the attorney to give you a quick 30-se secondond, here's
what it is. And then we look to a developer or a builder to tell you what it is. And that's like asking a dog if he should get a steak. He's going to tell you what he wants. So, uh, yeah, I would just like to, you know, maybe
let's make sure we know exactly what we're voting on before it gets this far into the process. With that, I would like to say vote no. Thank you. Mark Hoey. Uh, good evening again, Mark Hoey, District Three, and Arthur Sison still
doesn't share my values. Um, interesting to note, I can't tell when we've had a time when the agenda has changed so much, so often uh, so quickly, but it has. And what we
thought we were going to be talking about, we're not talking about. We're talking about stuff we didn't think we were going to be talking about. Um but just just one item because there are some of the citizens who do want to be involved,
stay active with it. So we look at that draft agenda that gets posted with uh very much of an interest to know what's coming. And yet we've seen it change multiple times just in the last number
of days for this meeting. Um, but having heard Vice Mayor uh, Vasquez's comments kind of turning the tide on these two ordinance changes, I found it most interesting, especially
her uh, claim support for master planning because it was her who submitted the original H11, which was scratched tonight, but the original resolution was, and I'll quote, I'll
read it, move to approve resolution 2025-25, declaring the matter of the master plan closed and direct staff to expedite development of plan, development, zoning. That's
what this started at. And it has changed and it changed again and that's why it got scratched. I I >> I'm going to request because that's not true. >> No, you have to give him >> look at the attachment. >> That is not true. >> Yes, it is. >> That is not the published agenda item.
>> That is not true. >> Thank you, Mark. Sylvia Stratus. Hi, my name is Sylvia Stratus. I live at 125 04 G Boulevard. I have a problem with my voice, so I'm hoping that you can
understand what I'm saying tonight. I don't know if this is right or not. Anyway, it's good. >> Okay. My neighbor has given me a flyer in opposing the height and density
increase. I am against that and would like to share with you the reasons why and there's three of them. First, the flyer says it will increase
traffic. However, we already have traffic. I live two blocks away from John's past boardwalk and there is traffic there. I mean, this is epic attraction.
There is going to be traffic in a tourist city. That is a tourist city. of Madiraa Beach, St. Pete Beach, Indian Shores in Europe do not have the strict laws that we have here in Treasure
Island. Second, a neighbor of mine by the name of Sue and she gave me the okay to tell you her story lived she used to but after the hurricane she
sold her house. she lived at 1269 Sunshine Lane shared with me about her two unit that she owned um about 30 years ago. This boat came up
again, but the residents turned it down. um and and she was one of them that bought it for it. After a while, she went to the city to get a permit because
a builder was telling her that if she gives if if she gives him the property, he will build two units, one for her and one for him. So, they go to the city and
guess what? The city says, "No, you cannot build two units. You can only build one." So, she comes to me and said, "Sia, I made a big mistake. I didn't know what
I was voting for. I cannot build now." And guess what? With a hurricane, she sold her house. She's gone. So now um and a lot of people here do not realize
that they voting for something that they don't know. So if any of you have two units or more, you need to go to the city and find out if you can have two units. >> I'm sorry, but your time is up. Silia,
>> the third. >> Silia, your time is up. >> The third. My time is up. 70 units on 126 Avenue. >> Please, your time is up. >> Huh?
>> Your time is up. >> Well, they spoke more. >> No, it was all it was all fair. >> You could turn your letter into the >> 17 units. And when I went to the city,
they told me I could only have six and a half apartments. So I am for them and I hope you know we were already wounded by have mercy on them.
>> Okay. So, uh, that is all that I have. And so, um, >> yeah, >> I think that Briana had one. It must have been on your on the workshop or something, but I think she
>> Okay, Briana. >> Okay. I do have But this one says G11, but Okay. >> We We're good. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Okay. Uh, I'm Dr. Brianna Fox from
Sunset Beach. I started coming to these meetings two years ago to show my then 13-year-old daughter how local government works. But now I've been forced to explain to her why she has heard things at these meetings that is not normal or acceptable behavior, especially for our public servants.
Meanwhile, as I'm appalled by what I've seen as a parent and a constituent, we are still suffering. We are asked for a master plan and to be heard. We want our neighborhoods safe and to be home again. Please regain focus on that and aiding the citizens as you are obligated to do.
With the exception of Commissioner Dicki, who is always professional, extensively researches every item and is very responsive to our constituents. Perhaps you too, M. Uh, Commissioner Clark. I am shocked that some of you even want this job. I know you are not well paid and you seem to have other
ventures perhaps as investors that you could be doing. So why are you here? If your vote against what your constituents clearly want, like no increased height and density, we may find the answer. Even when I don't agree with Commissioner Dickiy's decisions, I know he did his homework and is dedicated to
this job. He was the one here twice a week with his wife getting citizens their permits. He represents the citizens, not me and certainly not himself. He represents the citizens. We, your constituents, all want to live in a place that we feel safe, respected, and
like this is our home. And we don't. Sunset Beach is still littered with dilapidated homes, infested with rats and bugs, toxic mold. The house next to me has disgusting mattresses outside. They're filled with rats. I mean, I can't even take my kids outside to play.
The house um has glass strewn all about. Um, multiple neighbors have submit cumbersome forms to the city. Nothing has been done a year later. Speaking of ADA and mobility paths, walking my baby is literally life-threatening. I have had to walk into oncoming traffic as the
sidewalks are still torn up. Trucks park indiscriminately on them. Uh, there's literally no sidewalk on the east side of G Boulevard to walk on. We deserve to live in a community where runners, walkers, wheelchairbound residents, infants, and strollers can all exist without risking our lives. Plus, the
state law requires it. But instead, we hear about people posting on Facebook and texting residents rather than solving these problems. If we use development agreements, we need to rely on future commissioners, maybe like what we've seen here, to make those decisions, the best ones for us. I too
was public servant. I was a special agent in the FBI. And on day one, they told us there are we are there to serve and protect our citizens and we are never ever allowed to embarrass the bureau. So, who are you serving? You know, the FBI is a public corruption squad, and voting against constituents,
and apparently for your own good, is one of the first things that kicks off an investigation. I bet you can guess how almost all of those end. So, please start serving your constituents. If you can't do that, then please resign. Resign before it gets worse for all of us or especially for yourself. If that
doesn't apply to you, but you have extra time, then I ask you, please help get code enforcement involved. Please help take care of these problems for us. And most importantly, vote with citizens, not developers, and not your own interests. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> I turned my card in, but it was a little late because I didn't think you were going to be talking about >> I turned a card in, too. >> I gave it to the city clerk when I came in. >> Okay. Yep. Thank you. I thought after the workshop
we weren't going to be talking about it, so I started eating dinner. All right. Good evening, mayor and commissioners. Barbara Dresccoll, my husband and I have lived on Sunset Beach for 25 years, 8403 West Golf. No one would disagree that the Thunderbird Motel and location is
iconic. Growing up in West St. Petersburg, Florida. I remember when the Thunderbird was built and personally saw Icky Woo, a real shrunken head in the lobby. My grandparents would stay there when they came to visit. But now, I believe we are treating the Thunderbird
like a saint. I expect to see a halo hover over it at any moment. The family that owned the Thunderbird for five decades sold that motel before the storm. The motel is now owned, as many of you know, Thunderbird TI Holdings LLC, a limited liability company. I feel
confident this investment group was very aware of our height and density before the purchase. The same group also bought the sea chest which it was called before it was whatever the last name was motel next door. And apparently initially the Thunderbird requested the 106
grandfathered in rooms not the 184 rooms that they are now requesting. The very unfortunate part of a commissioner running unopposed for a commission seat is that the residents didn't get an opportunity to hear what your views were on increased height and density. Two
commissioners ran unopposed. But mayor, there was someone who ran against you for the mayor position and even though your opponent lived on Sunset Beach, many Sunset Beach residents voted for you. And here's part of the reason why. And this is a little AI summary from Fox
News when you were running. John Doctor did address density issues during his mayoral campaign and tenure, but he was notably cautious and often opposed increases in building height and density. Doctor expressed concern about preserving the character of Treasure
Island and was weary of changes that would lead to high-rise or overly dense developments, preferring to maintain the city's coastal charm and harmony with the landscape. His stance reflected a preference for communitydriven
incremental changes rather than rapid largescale redevelopment. So yes, we all want responsible redevelopment, but increasing density, for example, for the Thunderbird from 106 rooms to 184 rooms, up 74% would set a huge precedent. this
commission could be opening Pandora's box and that small town feel that all the vision meetings talked about, everyone I ever went to for the last 25 years, everybody said small town feel. That's what they loved about it. It will be lost forever. There is no going back
after this. Finally, I ask that the commissioner's loyalty goes to the residents, not to a special motel or developer. The residents want a master plan. Thank you for serving Treasure Island. Thank you very much.
>> There was one additional that uh had put it in and then left and that is Merryill Decker. >> Okay. >> I'm sorry. >> Okay.
tied in. >> Okay, come on up. >> Thank you so much and I apologize for being late. I had a medical emergency. My niece was rushed to the hospital and um so that's why I was late. But I am um
addressing you guys uh tonight is I understand um first of all let me say I've been in Treasure Island for the last three years. I own a home over in um St. Pete's. I bought Eptide in three years ago and uh who knew uh the storm
was coming. And if you before I bought Etide, I drove around. I visited uh Treasure Island so many times because I really love the quaint the the difference. It's just a beautiful place. And what I'm saying to you is I believe
that uh developing a plan with everyone's interest is best for Treasure Island. That's the residents, that's the small motel owners, that's the large uh hotels. I think that um in this day and
age, we can come together and put a plan together that is reflective of everyone. So, I'm asking you, please do not get rid of RMF30s because if you do that, um,
it's like you're like the smaller hotels won't have a chance. I mean, we're coming off one of the worst economical states with this hotel. Some of the hotels are not up and running. My hotel just got back online
September 21st. I have, if you've d if you've driven by uh years and years ago, you you would see you saw that that hotel was dilapitated. I have completely revised that hotel with a new roof and
everything. So, I'm saying please, please, please don't take away the the advantages that we the small hotel needs in terms of density increase. If you're going to increase density for the big guys, leave the uh leave it open for the
small motel on a a case by case. And I'm not saying go against the residents. I'm simply saying you can put a plan together that supports everyone and thank you for allowing me to speak. >> Thank you. >> Okay, so now I'm going to close the
public comment. Is there any additional thoughts from the commissioners? >> I actually would um I'd like to take a little cue from Chris Downing actually and I would like to move to instruct the city manager and staff to go out for RFQ
for a master planner. >> We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? I thought we already did that. >> We didn't do an actual Oh, microphone. >> We did not do, and you can clarify this, we did not do an actual RFQ, which is
what I originally wanted. Um, they went out and did it a little bit differently. Um, so if you would like to explain that, and Gavin, you might be able to explain that even better. So, our procurement process limits us
um between 2500 and $50,000. If we're going to spend that amount of money, we have to obtain a minimum of three quotes. I did not detect a uh foot dragging kind
of tone out of the commission on the master plan. So, we did a request for quotes and we solicited I think 11 and got comments back from several and bids back from three. I think if we did a
normal request for qualifications or request for proposal and I would I would like to do one or the other and I'd like to talk to uh the CFO and our one licensed civil engineer on staff and figure out how to best do that for you. Absolutely. And I'd like to run it for
30 days. I'm good with that if everyone else is. >> Just a point of clarification on the request for qualification versus proposal. That just depends ultimately on what you want the scope of the um master planner, master development to
look like. If you want them to come up with a plan and also oversee the technical licensers, then that's request for qualification. Um so I don't know if you want to give guidance in this in the motion on kind of what you want that to
look like. Um, but that that kind of could drive the nature of whether it's the the RFP or RFQ. RFQ is if it's purely licensed individuals, architects, and that falls under the CCNA um processes under state statute. Um, but
we could, you know, I don't know if you want to give that level of clarity. Um, >> we can bring something back to you. >> That's what I was going to ask. Can we do a either or determine >> you something on December 2nd and then run it for 30 days and bring you
something back on January six? I guess we could so I'll bring you back something on December 2nd. >> I'm good with that. >> Okay. So, we have a motion and a second. Uh any further discussion?
Any public comment? Okay. And uh now uh roll call, please. Vice Mayor Vasquez, >> I. Commissioner Dicki, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> no. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Now, let's go back to uh G2. Um, and we need a motion for G2 because of the very evident of of the general
public wanting master plan and I believe once we have the discussion and the workshop on PDS as well where that's clarified um I don't think it's fair to require everyone else to fall under those um
requirements with the exception of of one developer. And I'm even surprised at myself for saying this, but I move to deny ordinance 2025-16 at the second and final reading.
Recommend uh transmitt to the Department of Economic Opportunity in accordance with section 163. >> If you're making a motion to deny, you don't have to do the transmitt. I move to deny ordinance 2025-16 in this second and final reading.
>> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any uh >> guess I'm not sure what that what what that said. >> We're denying the >> G2. >> G2. Okay. Is that the same as voting? No. >> Motion to deny the comprehensive plan
amendment. So, can you go over if you vote yes, we're denying it. If you vote no, we're not denying it. >> Oh, yes. I'm sorry. That's helpful because sometimes it could be confusing on a motion to deny. So, if there's a motion to deny and you vote yes, that
means it will be denied. Got it. >> Roll call, please. >> Oh, okay. How is that different if this came to a vote and you voted no? That's the same thing. >> Yeah, >> I guess I'm completely >> Well, it's just the motion. >> Okay, >> that's it. It's just a motion.
>> Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki, >> I. >> Mayor Doctor, >> nay. >> One. >> All right. Now move it to uh G3.
>> I hear them asking. They don't understand. Some don't understand. >> The comprehensive plan amendment was denied by a vote of 4 to one. >> We now move to the uh motion um deliberations on the ordinance amending the land development regulations G3.
That's ordinance 2025-17. So, for the same reasons I stated before, I don't think that we can require other developers to to uh go along with a master plan and
and possibly a PD um and and not require everyone to do that. So, for that reason, I move to deny ordinance 2025-17 at this second and final reading. Any further >> motion? Yes. Our vote yes would be to
deny the land development regulation amendment. >> I second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion hearing? None. Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> I.
>> Commissioner Sison. >> I. >> Mayor Doctor. Nay. Land Development Regulation amendments were denied 4 to one. >> All right, we are now moving on to G4, second and final reading for ordinance
2025-30. Would you please read it? An ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, amending chapter 18, section 1873 of the code of ordinances of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, relating to
unreasonably loud noise, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, providing for codification, and providing for an effective date. This would be the noise ordinance. >> Okay. Any any discussion on the noise
ordinance? >> We have a motion. >> I move to approve ordinance 2025-30 at this second and final public hearing. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any public comment? I do not have any here.
So, uh, roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Sison. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> Hi. >> Mayor Doctor. >> Thank you. G5. Second and final reading for ordinance 2025-31.
>> This is an ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, placing a referendum on the ballot amending article 1, section 1.02 02 of the charter of the city of Treasure Island, Florida to allow for easements to the United States Army Corps of Engineers or
Panelis County solely for the purpose of beach renourishment and maintenance providing for codification, providing for severability, providing for conflict, and providing an effective date. >> I move to approve ordinance 2025-31,
beach renourishment charter amendment at this second and final reading. Second. >> We have a motion and a second. We have no public comments. Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki,
>> I. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I G6. It has been removed. >> And so we will move. >> So continued >> continuence. Yes, correct. A continuence. So, we will uh move forward
um adopting an ordinance 2025-34 additional expenses of $7,900 for the purchase of self-contained breathing apparatus. >> Is that you kind of read it, but I could read it more all the words. An ordinance
of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, amending the fiscal year 2026 general fund budget to recognize additional expenses of $7,900 for the purchase of self-contained breathing apparatus providing for severability, conflict, and effective date.
>> I move to give the city manager purchase authority of 197,000 and approve. >> That's not the right one yet. >> That's not the right one. >> It is. >> Yeah, >> it says G7. It's ordinance 25-34.
>> That's so weird. >> The one you have is for coming up on G9. >> You know what it is? No, it was >> we I believe we're asking for purchasing the same item to to do it together with the with the budget amendment. This item was approved in the budget. It just the
price just came up when we're actually purchasing it. >> So, am I looking to do the 197 or am I looking because that's what the motion says. purchasing authority for 187 that's to purchase the and then the budget amendment is to amend the budget 7,000
more or >> 79. >> Okay. So I >> Yes. >> I move to give the city manager purchase authority of 197,000 and approve ordinance 2025-34 at this first public hearing and to schedule it for a second reading.
>> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? See a hearing no discussion up here. Would you please call a roll? >> Vice Mayor Vazquez. >> I. Commissioner Sison. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> I. >> Mayor Doctor.
>> I. >> Okay. Moving on to G8. Approve ordinance 202535. This is an ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, amending the fiscal year 2026 storm water fund and general fund budgets to recognize
additional expenses of $41,000 for the purchase of a street sweeper and $64,000 for pickle ball courts and a beach barber machine providing for severability conflict and an effective date. I move to approve ordinance number
2025-35 at this first public hearing and to schedule it for a second reading at December at the December 16th regular commission meeting. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion?
>> Hearing none. Uh let's go ahead and uh do a roll. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez I. Commissioner Sison. >> Hi. Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> Hi. >> Mayor Doctor. >> I. >> All right. So, moving forward. First
reading of ordinance 2025-32. >> This is G9. This is a resolution of the city commission of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, amending the purchasing authority of the city manager, providing for greater administrative efficiency while maintaining strong oversight and
providing an effective date. So before I make a motion on this, um I agree with some of it and some of it I don't and I discussed it in the meeting this afternoon. Um, so I would I have a
motion written out that I had a little bit of help with this afternoon in a meeting um to kind of cover or we could talk it out um or move it to workshop only because there were some things in there I wasn't overly comfortable with.
Um, ju I more than anything it was just kind of the the $100,000. It was, you know, a substantial increase from 25,000. I have no problem with a $35,000 increase that I have no problem with. Um, I have no
problem with an emergency authority um for up to 100,000 for expenditures. I don't have a problem with that. But um and even the um fuller part-time staff up to 100,000 um if they're budgeted
positions, I don't have a problem with that. But this is just seem very very general to me. Uh kind of across the board. Um like I said, I'm not opposed to some of it, but some of it I was. And I don't know what anybody else's thoughts are on that.
>> Well, before uh anybody makes a motion on it, why don't we go ahead and talk about it? Absolutely. I appreciate you asking. Uh when I attended the Institute for Elected Officials uh municipal officials last month >> uh in Tampa, uh it one of the things
that was suggested that is it was when was the last time you looked at uh the spending limits and the spending authority for your city manager? So I went back and I checked that and it really hasn't been that long. It's only been uh six years, but for six year six years ago it was set at $25,000 and I
did some quick uh CPI uh to that and I it came to around $33,000 in today's dollars. So rather than say 33, I just kind of rounded that part off to 35,000. So that's just changing his approval. So we have fewer things that we have to talk about either on the consent agenda
or on the regular agenda and approve. So that was one piece of it. The second piece uh was actually uh suggested by Victor and I and I I reviewed it and I agreed with it and that's that uh allowing the city manager to approve uh
any previously approved item that we approved in the budget process or in a in a discussion like we're having right now that we've already previously approved it, why put it back on the agenda? And I'll use an example, a new police car. if we already approved the
capital plan and the capital plan said he he we could buy two new police cars at $40,000 each that if that was in the budget and we approved the budget and it was under $100,000 he could go order those two cars and not have to bring it back before the commission. So that's
the only >> only difference I think that I was I was shooting for. Maybe I I I didn't make myself >> and and this is crazy, but this was why you saw me running over there like a minute before the meeting is I had a
whole paper that had it on it and somehow I dropped it or I left it at the house. Um but the it was part of it that um that was for contract um contracted
um employees. That was the part that Let me see if I can find it here real quick. I apologize because I had it all written out. Um, it was Oh, was it? No, it wasn't the award of contracts.
>> I apologize. I'm trying to find it. >> All right. It does say contracts in the in the uh the cover the cover sheet for this. It does say uh and allow the city manager to approve and execute purchases, contracts, and change orders
up to $100,000 for items approved in the budget. So, my question on that was um does that mean contractors as far as hiring contractors and not being able to
pick the contractor? Um or I guess that would be my big question on that. >> Uh Victor, you want to help us out with that one? >> Yes. Uh this is mean to everything that is not controversial. It's not like h to give power to the city manager to for
example bring a a master planner without talking to you >> right >> yes it's something non controversial and when the item has been clearly >> approved in the budget process I'm talking about the 100,000 >> and if it's clearly identify in the budget process then go ahead and and and
make the purchase >> okay >> and and that that's the intention of this ordinance >> and do we all and apologize for not knowing this do We already have emergency authority expenditures for our city manager. Do we already have that? Because that's something I think we
should definitely have for >> I believe we do. I don't have that information in front of me, but this is not touching that. And another thing, this ordinance, it doesn't exclude us to follow the procurement process. So even if he has the purchasing authority for items that has been approved in the
budget process, the city still needs to follow the procurement process for those items. >> Got it. Yeah, in the purchasing policy, there is emergency authorities that wave some of the requirements like the request for um
quotes and that type of thing. I don't have it verbatim. Um but there are some emergency powers within the purchasing policy. >> Okay. Okay. And thank you for explaining that, Victor, because that was and it's absolutely zero
personal. Um I just had some questions on the different things. So that that actually makes sense across the board on that. I just do I do want because of our conversation this afternoon. Um if our new attorney could just look into it with Victor on the emergency expenditure
because after our conversation this afternoon, I think that's pretty important that that >> it's a good I mean I think it needs to be 100,000. >> So and I think that needs to be included. So if we could look at that and just make sure on that. Um, but I'll
go ahead and move to approve ordinance 2025-32 at this first reading and schedule it for a second and final reading and public hearing. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion?
Please call a roll. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez. I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Sison. >> No. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> I. >> Mayor Doctor. I All right, moving on. >> Public safety building approving
location and project direction. Motion to establish the location of the new public safety building at 108th Street to resend the previous vote designating the site north of City Hall to authorize the design bid method of
project delivery to acknowledge that the architect previously designated for this project may or may not be utilized. and to confirm that both the fire department and police department shall be included within the public safety building complex.
>> Second, >> I ask one question. >> Sure. >> Could you speak my hearing? Did you say design build? That's what Mr. Volneck >> had briefed you guys on. I may have heard you say design bid and I may just
>> design bid. Design build. Could you amend that in the motion? >> That would go with the presentation you saw last two weeks ago. >> So it should say design build. >> So then I probably need to re reread it then. Correct. >> Yes. Correct. >> All right. Let me write that.
>> Help us keep the architect. >> Nope. No worries. >> Motion to establish the location of the new public safety building at 108th Street to resend thevenue. >> It's not a street. Mr.
>> There's another one. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Motion to establish the location of the new public safety building at 108th Avenue to rescend the previous vote designating the site north of City Hall
to authorize the design build method of project delivery to acknowledge that the architect previously designated for this project may or may not be utilized and to confirm that both the fire department and police department shall be included
within the public safety building complex. some helpful >> and I second. >> We have a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? >> And I don't we won't actually take a a um role. Would we Is this roll call?
>> Okay. Just so we have direction. Okay. All right. So, uh let's call a roll. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> Happily. Yes. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Clark. >> Nay. >> Commissioner Sison. >> Hi. Mayor Doctor
>> I. >> All right, that uh brings us to an end for our uh all of our agenda items and now we'll move on to commissioner reports. >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> Could I just do a quick recap before
y'all have the final word here tonight? >> Absolutely. >> Sure. So, on the 2nd of December, our next meeting at 5:00 pm, we'll have a workshop on PDS plan developments. On that day, during the day, we will
have a hurricane recovery specialist from Panelis County in our community center across the street here by the park to help people get the county's onus of getting residents back in their homes. So, there are qualifications. It
doesn't mean if you come and sign up, you get it. You don't have to wait till December 2nd. This just is something for somebody local that doesn't want to have to drive to the county administration building to apply. Um on December 2nd,
I'm going to bring you uh an RFQ or an RFP with a scope of work for a master planner. Um sanding ovations kicks off Thursday, runs for four days, has encore weekend the weekend after Thanksgiving.
And I've talked with all or some of you about the second meeting in December. Right now, the clerk has no items uh that need to be on them or no other submissions. Would you guys uh be immenable to meeting once in December
and then coming back on January 6th? >> I think that's a great idea. >> Yes. Of >> Yeah. >> Third that. >> Which meeting date would be cancelled then? December 2nd would be held or not held. >> December 2nd will be held. December 16th
will sing Christmas carols and >> Okay, just to be clear. Thank you. >> Let me clarify something. You would said uh your the first thing uh you said that the item G11 had been moved to December 2nd.
>> Would understand that >> because I I thought on this >> Well, it was a >> typo. Well, it was because we were >> You're going to put it on December 2nd, not January 2nd. >> December 2nd. All right. Yes. >> Workshop. >> Yes. >> All right. Thank you for that question.
>> 5:00 p.m. I think you do your workshops all at 5:00 p.m., right? >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> All right. So, you're up. So, I'd first like to thank everybody for coming to my um commissioner chat last Wednesday. We had a nice crowd and
we discussed Treasure Bay and it was really really great. Um so, I I'm really enjoying those. Just like the last meeting, I'm going to not have one in December, but I'll get back to having one in January. Um, and I also obviously
we have uh standing ovations this weekend, so definitely get out to standing ovation. Um, one of the things I wanted to do I I kind of made this note during was I wanted to address a comment that was made about a relationship with developers and so on
and so forth. and specifically saying that I was well she didn't say it but she did um close with a developer in Madera Beach um saying that we have we've seen the pictures um if I was trying to hide who my friends were I would not post pictures
at events with who my friends are um I've lived in this community my whole life I have friends in every possible aspect of every business um if I didn't vote on something because I know somebody. I would barely vote on
anything because I know a lot of people. Um, I don't hide that. I wouldn't post it because God knows I know that I have a lot of fans that like to comb through my social media pictures and try to discredit me that way. And that's okay.
I don't mind because I'm not ashamed of who I know and who I socialize with. So, I would like to completely debunk that. Again, if I tried to hide it, I wouldn't put pictures out there. Um, so anyway, I
appreciate um everybody's input tonight and over the last few weeks. Um, this is proof that, you know, minds can be changed and sometimes what's fair is fair. So, saying all of that, I hope
everybody has a wonderful Thanksgiving next week and we all have a lot to be thankful for over this last year. It's been a a crazy year and we all have a lot to be thankful for. >> Thank you, Commissioner Clark. >> Um, mine is simply I hope to see as many
people as possible at the Sandy Ovations. It's a great event. >> I have a couple things. Um, so to provide full transparency and disclosure to everyone, every time an agenda item or attachment is changed, the change
needs to be highlighted like a redline document so it's easy be easily found for our research. Uh, that's something I would like to see implemented. Um, also I've been working for weeks to make sure that the city has insurance coverage under the interimm city attorney
agreement and have uh gotten nowhere on that. I uh would like the new city attorney to review this and give us an opinion on whether we have coverage from um and I know I agree with Sarah. She
mentioned that uh we limit the cards uh inputting to 6:15. Um I'd like to see Mayor John Doctor remove that because there are people who come in late. Uh we already limited comments from 5 minutes to 3 minutes. So
I think uh if someone comes in, you know, later in the uh commission meeting or is watching at home, they could still uh put a card in. Um, and I was wondering what the status is or what the process would be to uh move roll call
since we obviously have our workshop uh before the regular meeting. What if we move the roll call to the workshop? I don't >> public comment you mean >> uh the roll call like is that still I mean it's just not a big deal >> roll call I always understand is the
voting of you guys the first meeting >> means maybe who's present at each meeting >> because we move the workshop before the regular meeting >> so what >> the roll call of of people attending from mission okay >> right and then
>> see we don't have it on the uh 5:00 one >> and then of course uh moving public comment ment um of nine agenda items at the end of the meeting of the regular uh regular meeting to the end. Is that because a lot of things do come up
during the course of the commission meeting where the public would like a final say before we close. That's just something to consider as well. >> Some people do, some cities do it at the beginning, some do it at the end, some do it at both. >> That would be purely discretionary for you guys.
>> Gotcha. Thank you. I did want to say our insurance was turned into the city today. So, >> okay. Uh I wanted to agree with Arthur agreeing with Sarah on uh the request for followup uh or for allowing comments
after 6:15. A lot of times they'll hear us discuss something and they'll say, "Oh, I'd like to jump in on that." So, I would like for the uh the mayor and the rest of the commission uh to consider uh allowing comments beyond 6:15. Uh the only other thing I had was I
wanted to give an update on the beach reourishment. Uh they've completed uh the pro the beach renourishment. It looks great. As a matter of fact, Jason put a beautiful video on our on our website. They completed it up from Lands in up to 81st Avenue. Uh I think I guess
that's where they get they ran out of sand. So they've kind of relocated all the dredging equipment up to John's Pass. So they'll be starting on Sunshine Beach next and working their way south. would be probably into January before they get down and finish up uh Sunset
Beach. But take a look at that uh that video and you really get a sense of what what a big impact that had on on uh on on Sunset Beach. And that's all I have. I just have a couple of items. Uh one is that um I
want to thank uh the Rotary Club. Um they are helping us out in in many ways. Uh the Admiral Farragut Academy uh has a group of children that need or students
that need to um get different uh community process uh points and everything else. And uh so what they've been doing is they have uh been working out on Gulf Boulevard and they're picking up trash with uh a number of the
Rotarians, you know, overseeing their their job and they're helping us. And one of the things they even said about is that we want the city to look as good as it can look by picking up all the trash and making sure that it's not blowing around. So I want to I want to thank those folks that are there. Same
thing with the Adopta Beach. They are out there working extra hard. And I'll tell you what, uh, for the only about the third time in the last five years, I saw people that are picking up trash now on 107th and the causeway. And I think
that is all great. Uh, because, you know, there's a lot of things that we can't deal with with the storm, but but picking up the trash is is definitely one of those. And uh, and so um, I want to thank all of you tonight as well. Um, I didn't know what to expect when when I
walked in here and how loud we were going to be and or not. Uh, but I thank you. Uh, everybody was uh purely uh gentlemen and uh and ladies. Um, and uh I didn't have to uh use my gavvel but
once but I'll use it once again because we are now adjourned.