Good evening and welcome to the regular commission meeting for August 19th, 2025. I'd like to call this meeting to order. Now, if we could please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> City clerk, would you please call the role? >> Good evening. Vice Mayor Vasquez, >> here. >> Commissioner Clark >> here. >> Commissioner Sison
>> here. >> Commissioner Dicki >> here. >> Mayor Doctor >> here. >> Thank you. Next we have approval of regular and workshop agendas. Oh, I'm sorry. Regular workshop agendas. Do we have anything of any significance?
Anybody want to take a look and make any changes, modifications? Uh, mayor, I would like to uh ask if we could move the consent agenda item G1, if we could move that to the regular agenda because I I have several
questions on that and uh and it's a fairly large amount, $416,000. So, if we could move that item to the consent agenda, I'd appreciate it. >> Is everybody okay? >> Fine. >> That's fine. Okay, we will move uh that to
um item let's see we've got 10 items so it will be 11 H1. All right, tonight we do not have any proclamations, recognitions or certificates of appreciation. So we'll move on to public comments and I do have
a number of public comments. Um, Ross Sanchez. Good evening, mayor, commissioners, city attorney, and city staff, and my fellow residents. Ross Sanchez, 44 Dolphin Drive. Um, don't want to give
out my age, but I've been on the island for over 30 years, so definitely have a heart, as everyone knows. um work in the professional uh healthcare uh industry space and during last week's or two weeks ago is the budget meeting. Um one of the questions
uh from my commissioner and my district had asked about the marketing of the health uh employee benefits um program for the city employees. And I thought some of the answers were interesting. Um, being that it is my profession and I care about this city more than anything.
Um, I thought that I would just give some additional information that I think that's a little bit um, valuable. Um, nothing to take action on for this cycle because they're a 101 effective date and it's just to um, short runway, let's just say, to try to um, make a change or
take a look into it. But I do encourage uh the staff and commissioners to especially our city manager to look into it. um going through that budget item um for the life and medical insurance that was on the worksheet, the personnel um
for 2025. It, you know, listed I don't know if you recall, but it listed the different departments um city commission, administration, human resources, finance, city clerk, parking program, police, fire, EMS, and it had next to it a line item for life and medical insurance. Um it had fiscal year
2025 approved. Next to it had fiscal year 2026 department submitted. Uh I'm not sure if anyone's asked those questions offline, but did you know that the fif the according to my math the fiscal year 2025 approved was $1.569
million. It's a lot of money in the fiscal year 2026. And again, I didn't hear anything about a percentage of what the renewal increase was for 101, but by my math, again, going by fiscal year 2026
department submitted for the city commission. And again, all those different categories that were on the lefth hand side under life and medical insurance, the increase was 7.36%. So, totaling now at $1.7 million is what my understanding is from life and
medical insurance. Um it was asked of staff um about the marketing process. There are consultants out there that will do the marketing for you. That's included into what their commission or broker advisory fee is. The current administration of our program, I know
it. The person that's guiding that consultive ability works for that same program. So you're not going to have a unbiased opinion come in and say, "Oh yeah, you should look at opportunities outside of what the program you are in today. So, I just wanted to call that out. If
there was a broker fee inside that, let's just call it standard of 5%. You'd be looking at a $78,000 fee that the that the the program is receiving. It could be more, it could be less. I've never seen in any of the renewal packets. I follow this every year for multiple multiple years because again,
it's what I do for a living. And I think as a resident, it's important to see, you know, what's going on in your community and where you can help and where you can see the transparency behind it. And this program hasn't been marketed in the last 5 years. The last time it was marketed was
2020. A lot's changed in 5 years. There was a comment from staff about, and I apologize for calling it out, but I just again I think that it's important because this is a lot of spend and I know that there's a lot of talk about money and items that are out there. There was a comment made that there are
not as many options that are out there today. there's actually more options out there today than there was five years ago. So, I don't know if there's something within the code or or excuse me, the the bylaws that if the city spending over a
certain amount of dollars annually, if it would have to be marketed every 3 years or 5 years or something like that. So, I just wanted to call that to your attention because again, I think that it's important. Um, I encourage you all to look deeper next year, whether it's for savings, whether it's for quality or
if it's for guidance. I don't know what that program I I I know the program, but I don't know if they're doing anything for our employees when it comes to the health and well-being, especially for um us residents that they serve. Um, but also like for services for their own families at home. So, I appreciate the time and um thank you. If you guys have
any questions, obviously everyone knows how to get a hold of me, but I'd be more than happy to help you guys in the future with this type of arrangement. Thank you. Thanks, Ross. Robert Bazo. >> Uh, hi. Good evening. Uh, Robert Bazo, District 1. Um, the one big destroyer of
morale, Navy ships, uh, and in the military in general is rumors. Uh, rumors need to be squashed as soon as we can. Now all my con my constituents which are pickable players um have come to me uh with the issue of of building height and I I think that needs to be
somehow publicly known or distributed what the U county pos the city attorney says in terms of Senate Bill Senate 1730 whether it has impact on incorporated cities like ours that have referendums.
Uh we just like to know I mean yes yes or no. Uh it's something we like to know about. Um, I was really happy to see um on the LPA agenda for Thursday that finally Sean Burns is attempting to do something with the south side of 107th.
I think that's a positive thing. And um it it seems like the city is going wants to approve um quadrupling residential density units per acre and growing by a third um tourist dwelling units per
acre, which may be fine, but there's no hint there about building height. And I, you know, myself and all my constituents, which are numerous pickle ball players, and look forward to pickle ball being built here at Treasure Island. Um, we like to know, I mean,
what is high, what's tall, what's not tall. Um, is it is it going to be the LPA can then look at a application, approve it for, let's say, 10 floors and give it to the commission to vote on. That may be appropriate in some areas.
It may not be appropriate. I think we just like to know exactly what Mrs. Tabertini's opinion is on Senate Senate Bill 1730 and how it impacts uh incorporated villages. And I think there are areas here that high something over 51
probably works. I think certainly the Gators area of John's Pass is probably some place where we can go high. Um maybe other places we we can't. So, when I looked at uh uh Sean Burns application for 107th and with the city, looks like they're
recommending approval, but there's no height element to that application. I'm wondering what is it going to look like? Is there a design that we're going to have or see before the LPA agrees and you guys take a look at it? Um, does he have financing? Is there financing? Does
he have money before the LPA takes a look at it? So, I guess those in my hundred and hundreds or maybe scores of of constituents, which are pickable players, uh we would just like to know. We'd like to know, I mean, is it uh is the referendum count
or not? Uh that limits five over one. Um is it uh is it maluable going to change or not? We're just looking for some guidance so we can we can cut down rumors right now and increase morale and not have residents have performance fury
appear at the podium. Thank you. >> I can just briefly address this if that's fine. >> Oh my god. >> Super quick. It's your choice. >> Sure. So just real quick. Yes. So that bill took away referendums. So there are no more referendums. They're gone. And the old the previous attorney had written a memo on that. That memo is
correct. It's gone. Now, the application you're referring to is not actually for a specific development. It's a comp plan amendment. So, it's not about one site plan. It's about the parameters of what the city can do. So, what they're asking the PNZ, the LPA, to do is say, can we
negotiate our parameters of what's allowed long-term? What what it then does and it's subp part of the application is that uh that comprehensive plan amendment says every single development order that comes forth has to be voted on individually.
They're not entitled automatically. So so that proposal I'm trying to put it in sort of plain plain language expands the comp plan to allow for more height but then every development order it's up to this board here in the PNZ to then approve if they wish and they have
discretion on that. So if they vote for it and you vote for it next week, doesn't mean automatic height increase. It means that the allowed ability of you to grant more height is extended. That's why it's because the county had already done it. They created a code that allows buildings up to 80 ft. The city hasn't
matched that yet. So you're amending your own, if you passed it, to go up to 80 ft in the future if you wish. So you're asking to amend your own documents to give yourself more power in the future. Does that make sense? >> Yes. Cool.
Great. Thank you, Kia. Good afternoon. Uh Kia Saraj living on a sixth street Alapri District 1. Uh I'm a first- timer here. Uh lived there 20 years. Uh built a brand new three-story
home. Karen house uh obviously got flooded is a single story and um I'm here to understand a little bit more about why the process of um building review and engineering
drawing is not completely done and it gets done partially so it will take forever to keep going back and forth you know I don't understand why um the individuals uh in the department are not motivated
to do a thorough analysis of the drawings the first time around and um I got no issues with the codes. I can't control that. But what we can control here is if somebody is supposed to have a job to review um the engineering drawing, they do a
thorough analysis of that and then when you do a corrective action, a corrective paperwork to us, we can actually go get it done and come back and as long as those are done, we're done with it. Every time we submit paperwork, it comes back with a totally different thing that wasn't on the first one that had nothing
to do with the uh revision. And it's really frustrating because it taken a long time um to just get started and it's been almost a year now and I used to have the most beautiful lawn and I'm embarrassed now because uh it's like a
war zone out there and embarrassed for my neighbors looking at my lawn because um it's like uh it's not the construction hasn't started yet and um and I don't know um what to do here
except either move out of the community that I lived here for 20 years because of frustration that I cannot live in my house or um if there was a third party option I could go pay them to do this thing right I would do it but you guys control these departments that they're supposed
to do their job and I'm okay with the the rules I'm not okay with everybody taking portion of the review and not the complete review and they keep bouncing it back just Not right. And I'm a owner
of the company of $150 million and I exactly know what each one of the department in my company does and we take care of our customers. What I don't understand is that why we cannot take care of the residents here that who paid property taxes and all they're asking is
here's the permit dollars, review my drawing and just do it right and then send it back to me and I go get it done. We cannot just go through this cycle. It takes four months to from the start of a cycle to the end of a cycle sometimes.
And this is unacceptable. It's really unacceptable. And I don't know if this is uh just by accident. Is that because of competent? Is that because of I cannot understand the resources because all we're doing here is every time we bouncing things back,
we're creating more work for ourselves. Why don't you just completely review the thing, give it back to me and then I go get this stuff corrected and bring it back to you. And we just create more work for ourselves here when we are not
reviewing the whole 100% of the plan or unless somebody does it better than the other one and goes through a different person. Maybe that's why it's changing. I don't understand really the root cause of the problem here is that why the first time the person got it
cannot review this 100% and give it back and then the second time goes to another person and then comes back with totally different thing that was the first person didn't pick on it just doesn't make sense I don't know if you guys have gone through that yourself or not I hope you didn't
because it's not a really a pleasant thing so that's my uh only beef to pick with you guys here and need your I really want to get back to the house and uh help everybody to get back into their house so we can actually be able
to start mowing the lawn again. Thanks. >> Thank you, >> Carol Brady. Good evening, Carol Brady. um 119504th Street East on Isa Capri. And it's been a little while since I've been up here,
but so I wrote it all out. So I'm missing my partner Karen Barnett. She was on the lift board with me with me. And um we are both rolling off. We're completing our um three-year term. And I
just um want to say I'll speak for both of us. Um, it's been an honor to serve and to help get the organization um, off the ground and I want to thank you for the opportunity to be a part of it. Um, as Karen and I step down, we feel
confident in the strong leadership of the current board and we warmly welcome our two new board members, Carlos and Judy. We believe they'll bring new ideas and fresh energy. So, I just wanted to say thank you.
I also want to address um two additional issues. The first one is the construction of a new public safety building. Um a single wellplanned facility to house both our police and fire departments. I want to say that I
am in favor of that. Um I call it the one big beautiful building and I hope that we can get there with it. Um, unless there's a plan to do away with our Treasure Island Police Department, it doesn't make any sense to house both services or it makes sense to house both
services together and build it right the first time or from the start. Having the two departments together will promote teamwork and camaraderie between the two departments that must work side by side during emergencies. It creates
efficiency allowing shared resources like training rooms, meeting spaces, equipment storage and maintenance. It strengthens recruiting and retention. Talented officers and firefighters want to work in a modern facilities that show
the city values them. And really, it's smarter and more efficient to do it at one time or at the same time than trying to add on later. That will just add to the cost of which
this community seems to be so concerned about. So, it would only make sense that they would support that. It's also responsible and forwardthinking decision to build one again one big beautiful building for our city. It's the face of
our city and it's it tells a lot about our city. The second thing I want to address is um the trash, the outsourcing of the trash. There's been a um a lot of talk behind
the scenes. Um in listening to previous commission meetings, it seems that decisions um to move forward with outsourcing have been made before the final contract has is even available and before we can be certain that there is
meaningful cost savings. So far, I've heard many numbers. Many most appear to be estimates and assumptions. We also know the new company, which I believe would be WastePro, will not be picking
up the bash uh trash, the beach trash. That responsibility will shift to parks and recreations is my understanding, which would require additional hires. Again, where's the costsaving? As far as I understand, beach trash pickup will
only occur along the beach walk and that will be by parkets and wreck, not between the walk and the shoreline. That is a serious concern. Without a clean, beautiful beaches, we won't attract visitors that um our local businesses
rely on. Another issue is flexibility. After the storms, our city workers are out quickly cleaning the streets so we can um for safety. That responsiveness is huge benefit of having city employed
crews. Treasure Island has always been proud of its uniqueness, a familyoriented, resident friendly, small coastal town feel. People don't come here because we're the cheapest beach. They come because we're different, cleaner,
friendlier, and more authentic than any other places. That uniqueness is fragile. Once we begin carving out services in the name of saving a few hundred,000, we risk losing the qualities that make Treasure Island so
special. I ask that before you move forward that you get a master plan for the city so that everything can fit together instead of carving pieces out bit by bit because once we lose them we'll never get it back. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Carol. >> Marie Barbara. Um good evening um mayor commission board Marie Barbara of Sunset Beach and um temporarily in um um Paradise Island. Um, I was I actually am not prepared and
um was looking at the charter to uh speak to the um the the voters and the citizens of Treasure Island about some of the um some of the um articles in there that we
have been involved with involved in some of us since the year 2000 and in 2002 we took the vote in 04 uh ordinance 04 that did um limit the height and density to
what our um com uh comprehensive plan had at that time. Um and in March of 2005, we uh cemented that into the charter stating that anything that was initiated by a citizen's petition
um could not be changed. any ordinance, any ordinance that was changed by a citizens initiative petition could not be changed unless the sit went back to referendum. And that's why until this point we have been going to referendum
to change anything uh to do with those building uh the ordinance that stated the height or density is up to the electorate to vote this in and not to the five commission board. And um we take this very serious. There might be a
challenge. It is in our charter. It does point to a citizen initiative and there's two of them. One of them is the drinking. This is this was been said to us by other city attorneys. So I'm not I'm not trying to um fight here or anything else. There's other attorneys
looking at this right now where there's going to be a challenge on on with the city right now. Um the LPA is putting out some outrageous densities on what we have now. You don't even have to increase the heights. You're going two times the two more than two times the
amount of density you can in these motel hotels and I believe M30 as well. I've got to go back and read it. I was just told to look at these things now. And so we're in in in uh discussion with some of the attorneys that had been here before. I'm sure you're going to be
listening to some of this stuff, but I'm not as prepared as I should have been to. I wanted to um cite the charter though, so that the electric and the citizens here can learn more about how this evolved and came upon the density
um and the restrictions that we have here in Treasure Island to this beautiful uh um environment that we presently have now because at the time we did not want clear water beach. We don't actually want a St. Petersburg beach either. The densities there are
crazy and they're going they're going to double. We did hear about some uh um density um uh initiatives by uh some of you that were talking about a 10% increase in the densities. I said, "Well, maybe we don't challenge that."
But that's not what they're doing. They're going from 30 to 90 in some areas. They're going two and a half times, three times in some areas. And that means also the floor area ratio. And I think it's outrageous to be honest with you. The traffic is going to get crazy and uh the tax base can be fixed
by just putting the tolls back up. We we were the lowest millage rate in all of the bigger islands across the municipalities across all the barrier islands. There's no reason why we should not be collecting for tolls for the cars coming over um the bridge. We're just
giving it away. So any kind of repairs, major repairs, we were supposed to be funded. Uh we're supposed to put put in the reserves around 2 million or more every year annually for these things. And our taxpayers are paying for this and we get nothing in return. Just come
on over. We'll pay for you. So this goes hand inand when you say, well, we're not, you know, because of our taxes, we had to have this development blah blah blah. We know the majority of of the tax has come from property, residential property taxes. We already know all these things and this was already uh
discussed over and over again. So, if there's going to be a challenge, we'll have to see. It's going to challenge the charter. There's nothing that the si that the state has done about the charter. The charter points to that ordinance. And so, this we're taking it serious. Thank you. >> Thank you, Barb Adams.
Barb Adams, um, Isle of Palm Civic Association president, realer for the local beaches here. Um, and I've spoken about this issue before. It's kind of tough to follow you, but um I feel also passionately about the five over one
rule and not only as representing, you know, my island and the residents that I speak with all the time. Um, but I sell a lot of properties around here and I deal with a lot of people who look to
buy, look to invest, a lot of investors. And a huge huge positive is when I look over and point that we can see the sky. We can see, you know, Treasure Sands is
a one tall building and that's it. And you know, even if you have a two-story home, you can still look over and you can see the sunset. You're not having it all blocked by tall buildings. And I don't care, you know, if you say, "Well, let's do it
over at Gators or, you know, that starts the ball rolling." And um I don't really know much about density. Um, but the height restrictions are important and
everybody talks about it and you might not hear about it, but certainly people who are looking at moving here and they'll say I want to be here because I'm not number one that nobody wants to be Clear Water Beach, but people don't want to be St. Pete Beach either. And
you know like when we were out of our house for seven or eight months we were all over the place and one of the places we were was on the beach s on St. Pete Beach and it sucked. I mean, you know,
I'm sorry. We're going down the street. There's all this traffic. You can't see the beach. We were in a a mom and pop hotel on the beach and I still couldn't see the water. I mean, you know, uh-uh,
you know, I mean, it's just we have something here that nobody else has. And why do we want to just screw with it, you know? Um, to build a couple buildings for investors or builders. I just, you know, I don't agree and I love
what we have here and I think most of the people who live here do. So, >> thank you, Barb. >> Sarah Pennington. >> Hi, good evening. Sarah Pennington, is of Palms. Um, I wanted to address Mr.
Sabatini. Actually, I enjoyed your explanation of I cannot remember the name of the bill that Mr. Bazo um was talking about, but you just to clarify, you had said if the commission does vote for this, it's not changing anything,
but it is allowing the commission to on a case-byase basis change the height and/or density to be in line with Penllis County. Did I understand that correctly? That's >> correct. >> Okay. If it's okay, if you don't mind, would you answer for me? If the
commission does not vote that in, what would happen? Well, is the commission want is that okay? >> Uh if the if you don't amend the comprehensive plan, which by the way, once we even if we amend it, the county still has to sign off on it. So, you got
to pass two because you have a charter county. But, um if you don't do it, then your comprehensive plan is just where it is right now. So, it just means you can't go higher. >> Okay. I'd heard >> you're not giving yourself the option to accept an application in the future to go higher. That's a better way of
phrasing it. >> Okay. I think I had heard it said at some point on the commission that if we don't do something soon that um developers can come in and just build whatever they want. And so I just wanted to clarify if we were at risk for something like that happening. I think
that's probably a reference to the Live Local Act, which would allow certain applications um for affordable housing projects, which are um units that had 40% of their units that are a lower than
normal medium income, accessible to somebody with less than medium income, um to come in and be administratively approved in those same areas. But I have not done a study to see like what's available and where would they apply for. But I think the comment is
generally true that if you have parcels that could be developed, somebody who comes in with live local is entitled to the maximum amount of density and height with less parking restrictions too by the way. Um as any other zone in the city essentially. It's
a little more nuanced than that, but that's generally what it is. >> Okay, that's really helpful. Thanks for taking the time for that. Thanks. >> Thank you, Sarah. All right. Uh public comments uh is now closed and we'll begin moving on.
Next, approval of minutes. Approval folder for the following minutes. Do we have a motion? >> I move to approve the minutes as presented. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Is there any public comment? Hearing none, we'll close public comment. Any discussion up
here? No. Uh I think that we can probably do a voice vote. Um so all in favor say I. >> I >> opposed. It is unanimous
and uh let's now move on to consent agenda. Uh we've took G1 and moved it to H11. So G2 is ratification of expenses to TLC diversified LLC.
I move to approve consent agenda G2 as written. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Do we have any public comment? >> Hearing no public comment, we'll close public comment. Any discussion up here? >> Okay. Uh once again, we can do a voice
vote. So, uh all in favor say I. >> I. >> I. I. >> I. >> Opposed. Okay. Hearing none. Move forward. Mayor, could I be recognized before we get into the items of business?
>> Yes. >> Um, based on the overwhelming call from residents in my district, I'd like to make a motion. Um, I move that the commission directs the city manager to complete the design and engineering as
soon as possible to locate the Treasure Island Police in City Hall, followed by bidding and awarding the construction of the police facilities in city hall. not to spend any design and engineering funds on any other location for the police other than in city hall and
report once a month to this commission on the design, engineering, procurement, and construction progress from now until the police occupy the new facilities in city hall. Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second?
Okay. I don't hear a second. So, it will fail and we'll move on to our >> Can I Could I actually be recognized real quick? >> Sure. Um, I wanted to address the solid waste outsourcing um and actually put a
motion forward so that we can do um the basically instruct the staff to move forward so that we can have actual solid numbers. Um so I'd like to make the motion based on the following asurances regarding outsourcing the solid waste
program. Substantial savings will be realized by the residents and commercial customers. The level of service will not be reduced. Collection of solid waste at parks, beach access points, and other areas on Treasure Island not included in
Waste Pro will be handled by city staff. The city is receiving favorable terms from Waste Pro uh for purchasing for the purchase of the existing city-owned trucks, dumpsters, bins, and miscellaneous assets. Therefore, the city of Treasure Island will commit to
the outsourcing of the the solid waste program with Waste Pro of Florida as recommended by staff. >> And is that a motion? >> It is a motion. >> Yeah, I said I move. >> Okay. Um,
do we have a second? >> Second. >> Yeah, I second. >> We have a motion and a second. Um, do we believe that we uh have enough information to uh to bring this forward at this
time? >> Sir, can I be recognized? >> Sure. >> So, in conversation with our public works director, Mr. Volneck, um he wants to have the specific instruction that that motion gives, uh which would allow
us to do a couple things. That would allow us to enter into negotiation with Waste Pro, um, piggy back on one of their existing contracts, have our existing sanitation workers. Be able to be seated with Waste Pro. Let Waist Pro
communicate with our sanitation workers and say, "Hey guys, we got jobs for you here. Here's the criteria. Here's our health plan. Here's your salary." Whatever they want to say to pitch to them. Um, you've given direction. Um,
but I I think this gives us exactly what we need to just go sit down with Waist Pro and then a contract will get published with an agenda. All of you will come uh meet with me weekly like you already do. I'll answer all your
questions. It'll be out to the public to review the contract. They can ask all their questions, do those things, but this will allow us to get down to the nitty-gritty with Waste Pro specifically, not just go outsource. It kind of is I think where we had a
consensus before. >> Okay. Uh Gary, would you please come up? Gary Volenik, director of public works. Uh happy to answer any questions you have. >> Yeah. Seeing since you're basically over that realm, uh do you feel the that that
we are at a stage that we should be taking a vote? >> Yes. And it this has come after a lot of discussions with waste pro. We meet every week or two on this, but there's some elements that we've we've we've hammered out most of the details. We
have to start our staff is starting to like we can't have them be talking with Waste Pro until we get the confirmation this is actually going to happen. We've we've all said yeah we're considering it. We want you to evaluate it. We really would like to but until you all
say if you can get you know provide these items that Vice Mayor uh Vasquez mentioned as far as you know cost savings the citizens level of service etc. we can't really get the parties together. So, that's the whole intent of
this is just to allow us to actually draft up a hard contract now and provide all the the detail that you all need to see. Um, you know, currently the we're looking at approximately, you know, $700,000 in savings to the residents and
commercial customers on an annual basis. So, uh, additionally, there's a lot of expenses that we would have to we have coming up in terms of, you know, the two garbage trucks that we we we cancelled the purchase of. We've got almost $250,000 in dumpsters that need
replacing. So, these are items that are real numbers. Um, we need to give you that to to evaluate and and hopefully you'll come to the the best decision for for the city. >> Okay. Any other questions for Gary?
I I have some questions and they may or may not be for Gary, but but uh as I was listening to Vice Mayor Vasquez read uh the motion, I was agreeing with just about everything except one particular clause in there and it was about the beach cleanup. Could you reread that,
please? >> Sure, no problem. It is collection of solid waste at parks, beach access points, and other areas on Treasure Island not included with waste pro will be handled by the city staff. >> Okay. And who currently handles that?
Does the uh parks and recreation or is it the beach maintenance program or is it the solid waste people? >> It's it's currently a combination of public works and parks and recck staff. So, what we're doing is we are we're we're reconfiguring some of the can
types that will make it easier for Waste Pro to handle some of them. We're making it easier for uh parks and wreck. Some of the the bins are too large for their staff, but if we have bags, it makes it a lot easier um to to handle. Uh and
then as as far as um parks and wreck, if if they needed some assistance, if there's holidays, things like that where we have a major influx of extra cans, public works is going to go ahead and and and backfill any help that they need. >> Okay. Uh one of the other things that
Vice Mayor Vasquez mentioned was that no change in levels of service. Uh, and I think that's key because that's the the only push back I'm getting back from residents is the fear that that uh outsourcing this will give us a a lower level of service and I've been assuring them that that's not the case.
>> Well, we we talked with some of the customers of Waste Pro in terms of the cities and North Readington Beach said that they are the best that they've had in 20 years. Um, we they they serve Bradenton Beach, they serve homes beach. We've talked to them at length about the
the you know the commercial customer needs that we have and it's a little different. Every community has a little different uh situation, but they're they're really working with us to accommodate all of those needs and some. >> Okay. Uh a couple of other things. One
is you mentioned the savings to residents and commercial businesses come to about $700,000 a year, which is wonderful, but I haven't heard anything about the financial impact of the city. Is this going to save the city money as well on top of that 700,000 or is it
going to cost the city incremental monies that we haven't accounted for up to this stage? >> Well, ideally we're looking at it being a a wash. Currently, solid waste is an enterprise fund. So all the monies that
go into it are used to pay for it. All the revenues are collected. So basically we will not be you know collecting the revenues but we will be um uh outsourcing those activities. Okay. And the last uh question is really more of a
suggestion is if we move forward with this uh I the original uh proposal that that was presented to us included uh uh Waste Pro doing the billing for us and and I think I would like to suggest and I mentioned this the city manager just
before the meeting that we keep the billing as is because right now the bill we get for Penllis County Utilities includes uh garbage pickup and recycling and sewer and uh reclaimed water and water. So, it all already includes all
that. So, I don't see where we can gain anything by by having Waste Pro do the billing for us since it's it would really create a another bill that's going to go out to the resident because they're still going to get the Panelis County utility bill and now they would
get a bill from Waste Pro which they're not getting. >> Well, that's that's a good good comment and question. The the thing is that you know right now with with us doing the billing any complaints, questions, whatever comes directly to our
department. We really don't have a a large staff to handle billing complaints. We actually looked at it as an advantage to the city to to send the whole, you know, activity two-ways pro. They have told me that if if the city really wants to keep it in house and all
on the same bill as it currently is is being handled, they have no problem with that. But we we saw this as an as an advantage because the people that they're paying are the ones who are going to be answering the questions and taking care of their customers directly. We become sort of a they call us then we call them and and it it's sort of a
waste of time. >> No. that it makes perfect sense, but somebody's incurring the expense of sending these additional bills out in terms of postage, paper, envelopes, uh >> somebody's paying for that and I and we pay it forward indirectly in the in the
fees that we that that we charge back to our residents. So, if we could cut out all of that ex that paperwork that uh it seems like would make sense. Anyway, it's just a suggestion uh that you uh take a look at. I'm happy to look at
further. Yes. >> Gary, didn't you also tell me I thought the other day that they're they're giving us more money for our used trucks than we originally thought that they would or is that accurate or not accurate? >> Yes, we we've been talking with other
municipalities about purchasing our vehicles and I can say this staff was extremely pleased with the numbers that they came back to. Waste Pro came back to us. It was substantially more than we were getting from other uh other potential buyers in an auction house. >> Great.
Thanks, Gary. >> All right. Thank you, Gary. I'll open it up to public comment. Hearing none, we'll close public comment. I'm sorry, >> but please come up to the microphone.
Thank you. >> Hello, Suavic. Uh 125 110th a half, new resident for like a year and a half. Uh I have a plain view of your parks and wreck building like your trash. I am so confused of
what is going on there. I have never been more confused of who takes the trash, who does it, what is thrown out, why is there demolition, trash, and trash cans and fresh shrubs and large it's just all
perplexing to me. So, that being said, I do see the city trucks see they're like empty and I see like one guy doing four jobs. I'm very confused of why we need to outsource when we have our own staff. Why why are we outsourcing any of this?
>> We we don't answer when when you come up for the questions. You can give us your statements and everything else and then we take that into account. >> What do I So, what do I do? Just ask and then go back. >> Okay. Email it, I guess.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. We'll close the uh public comments. Um, any further discussion up here? >> Yeah. And I I can answer now that we're in in discussion. Um, and uh and and I will I'll take the opportunity to do so.
Um, you know, the uh a big part of uh of this is really just the the heavy capital that we have. Um the trucks, two trucks were what, $900,000 or whatever it was. And so basically what it is is
also giving the public a break on what it is. That that break is probably going to be somewhere in between call it six and $8 a month. Um but uh and that that's really the the
genesis of it is that uh people want to have start they want to pay less um and this is one way that we can give a little bit back and yeah it is a little bad it isn't a big number. It is it's uh it's you know between six and eight dollars a month but still it what it
does for the capital side and one of the things that we need with our cities being basically much of it destroyed especially a lot of our buildings and that we need the capital dollars as well. So they're eating up all the capital for us and everything else and we we don't have to
do that. So we can then take our resources and and contribute to building a new fire station, building a facility for the police department, uh building for the public works, and that's really uh what it is.
>> I'm sorry. >> Oh, you're you're talking a much bigger piece of it than So I I I don't want to have a discussion with the it's just with everything on television and that and so um okay so any any discussion up here and any
so do we have it with that discussion do we have a real clear picture of exactly what this this fits into that picture okay let's uh let's take a roll vote please >> I commissioner Sison John.
>> Hi, >> Commissioner Clark. >> I >> Commissioner Dicki >> I, >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. >> Thank you. >> Okay, so now we're going to move into our agenda. And the first item, H1, is
the second reading, public hearing, uh, 20 256, budget amendment to fund Treasure Bay Tennis court resurfacing. Mayor, this item actually has to be continued to the September 2nd meeting. The item was actually advertised um
August 13th, which doesn't give us proper notice. So, we do need a motion to continue the item. >> Okay. Do we have a motion to continue the item? >> I move to continue item the item of business for not sure exactly how I would read that.
>> H1, right? >> For H1, I guess. Good. That's good. Okay. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Do we have any public comment? >> Hearing no public comment. Do we have any discussion up here? >> Okay. Let's take a roll call vote.
>> Vice Mayor Vazquez >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki >> I. >> Commissioner Clark >> I. >> Commissioner Sison >> I. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. >> Thank you. >> Moving on to H2. Ordinance 202519 budget amendment to recognize additional expenses of 3,283,300,000
or 300. So 3,283,300 incurred during hurricanes Helen and Milton. >> Do we have a motion? >> Commissioner, if we can go to the next item first because they're related. So we need to do a long first in order to do this
budget amendment. I will explain the budget amendment but I I believe uh we need to cover the loan first otherwise we don't have money to do that that budget amendment because the building department is involved in here. >> Okay. So you're asking for H3.
>> Correct. >> There was no motion on H2. So someone could just move to approve H3 and read the ordinance or I could read it. >> Okay. Let's H3. Go ahead and read the ordinance if you would there Anthony. Ordinance 2025-18, ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, amending the fiscal year 2025
fund and building fund budget to recognize a loan from the general to the building fund in the amount of 1.1 million to replenish the building fund that sustained financial losses due to refunding permits, additional costs uh to process additional permits due to
hurricanes Helena and Milton. >> All right. Do we have a motion? I move to approve ordinance number 2025-18 at the first public hearing and to schedule it for a second hearing a for a second reading at a and public hearing.
>> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Do we have any public comment? So, close public comment. Bring it back up here. Do we have any discussion? >> Yeah, I I I do. I I don't fully
understand uh what this is. We're not we're not uh this isn't resulting in a cash outflow of 3.283 million. We're not we're not uh booking these expenses and sending out checks for 3.283 million. Is that correct?
>> You you are referring to the H2. Now we are talking now about the loan for $1.1 million. And this is because right now as as we see today the the building department doesn't have any money. So this is to cover the expenses of this
year and to be able to do the the budget for for next year. So this this loan will cover both years. >> I'm still >> we don't have any money in the building department. So we're taking a loan from the general fund to the building division. >> Your your question relates to H2 which
is going to be taken up next. Okay. All right. >> We're discussing H3 now. Yeah. >> All right. Gotcha. >> So, it was motioned and seconded. >> Motion and second. And any other discussion? >> Roll call, please.
>> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. Commissioner Sison. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. I. >> Commissioner Dicki. I. >> Mayor Doctor. I. >> Thank you. >> Now, let's move to H2. Would you please read it, city attorney? H2
goes short title. Ordinance 2025-9 budget amendment to recognize additional expenses of $3,283,300 incurred during hurricanes Helen in Milton. >> So now I can answer your question. >> Sorry about that. I I wasn't following that in and out there.
>> We're good. So we are not requesting to spend any money there. So this is a Z transaction. We spend this money already during the year and and most of it is basically because of the hurricans. We never came here I mean the city to amend the budget. So now we're elevating the
budget because we don't want to finish the fiscal year in a deficit. So we are just elevating the the budget to recognize those expenses. >> Thanks Victor. I appreciate that explanation. I move to approve ordinance number 2025-19
at the first public hearing and to schedule it for a second reading at the September 16th regular commission meeting. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Do we have anything from the audience? Please Sarah.
>> Hi Sarah Pennington is Palms. Really quick, I was hoping to request for the next um reading of this. I'm looking on the agenda packet and we have an item under contractual services for $487,000, but next to it there's no information at
all on what those contractual services are. So, if we could have that for the next reading. It says it's account 46900, but it does not actually explain what those that uh 487,000 is. So, thanks
Please come on up. >> Hi, Kimberly Stewart. Is of Palms. Um, you know, we spent what, $11 million on personnel last year, and it is so shocking to see the amount of supplemental services that we need to
continue to get by. Um, I just feel the need to throw that out there that the I value all of our staff and everything, but when I've started to see the numbers actually come out and see this this need for this supplemental stuff, it just becomes you start to wonder exactly what
everybody's doing. Um, because we're definitely putting a lot of money into our staff. Um, so I know there might not be able to be anything done about this, but um, it's something to consider as we move forward. um if these are the right decisions we're making with our money.
>> Thank you. >> Okay, Robert. >> Yeah, Robert Bazo, District One. I was looking at that spreadsheet before before the meeting of these expenses. These are $3 million that we're expecting to get reimbursed from FEMA. Correct.
the $3 million I can't ask question but I mean the $3 million I believe looking at the things like 60 some odd thousands for police vehicles and $60,000 to repair the police building overtime things like that uh my question to be
answered later um hopefully is is that the $3 million going to be the money in the pipeline to be reimbursed from FEMA or is this coming out of out of out of our on andm operations maintenance fund or general fund because it seems to me I don't know there's a lot of lines you
guys are voting on something there's a lot of lines a lot of money contractual things I didn't think we were spending $60,000 to repair the police building and what why $68,000 or $64,000 for police vehicles a lot of a lot of minutia in that thing that you're voting
on right now and hopefully this is money that's in the pipeline or hopefully this is money in the pipeline we're going to get rebirth uh from FEMA at some time in the future thank Victor, would you uh please have a So, we're going to close the public section and uh public comment and please
>> again this is money that it was spended before our time here. So uh by uh we don't want to violate the Florida statue and we don't want to finish the year and get audit finding because we didn't elevate the budget for for the money that was spending and most of the this
money it wasn't related with staffing is not m much of this is not personal cost but the debris the repairs or of the cleaning up of the city and and all of that is just emergency money. That's why you see a lot of contractor services here
and and so in some occasions we did uh recognize revenues as the money came like insurance and things like that but we never recognized the expenses. >> Okay. Is are we going to be reimbursed on any of this? >> So uh FEMA is going to reimburse I don't
have the figure uh with us. We still working with FEMA and FEMA is going to reimburse some money and when that happen we are going to recognize the revenues as well. >> Okay. And that could be at any time, right? It could be next year, a year from now, two years from now, three
years from now. So some some uh requests or claims when they exceed a treasure I believe a million dollar it has to go to the state and the state do another audit and is it takes a lot of time for FEMA.
So I had seen two or three years after uh reimbursements. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? >> All right. Um once again we need to take a uh a roll call vote.
>> Vice Mayor Vazquez I. Commissioner Clark >> I. >> Commissioner Sison >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki >> I. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. >> Thank you. >> All right. So now we can move down to H4. Approval of resolution 202517
update on signature authority. I move to approve resolution 2025-17 adding Charles Vanzant to the list of signers on the city's financial accounts. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Do we
have any public comment? Hearing none, we'll close public comment. Any discussion up here? >> All right. And it is a resolution. So, let's take a uh roll call vote. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez. >> I. Commissioner Sison, >> I. Commissioner Clark. >> I,
>> Commissioner Dicki. >> I, >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. >> Thank you. >> H5, approval of resolution 2025-8, wershed management plan supplement. >> I move to adopt and accept the community rating system CRS supplement to the
watershed management plan. >> Do we have a second? Do we have a second? So, we have a first and a second. Do we have any public comment? No public comment. We'll close public comment and any discussion up here. All right. Once again, it's a
resolution. So, let's do a roll call vote. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki, >> I. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. >> Thank you. >> H6. Approved by city manager purchase authority.
>> I'm sorry. approved the city manager's purchase authority to 154,417 to Smith Industries, Inc. DBA, Smith Fence Company for the Treasure Bay Tennis and Basketball Courts Fence Replacement. >> I move to approve and authorize the city
manager purchase authority to Smith Industries, Inc., DBA Smith Fence Company in the amount of $154,417 for the tennis and basketball courts fence replacement at Treasure Bay Golf and Tennis Facility. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Do we
have any public comment? >> Please, >> why? >> Why? >> Okay. All right. So, uh, so let's, uh, no, uh, no public comment. Um,
Mike, if you would, uh, fill us in. All right. Good evening, mayor and commissioners. Uh, city the city issued invitation to bid at Treasure for Treasure Bay Golf and Tennis Center fencing repairs for eight tennis courts and one basketball court. At the July 31st bid opening, the city
received nine bids ranging from $154,417 to $654,000. Their most responsive bid was Smith Fence Company in the amount of $154,417. Smith Fence ordered the fencing after the contract award this evening and said it would take approximately six month
six weeks for the materials to come in. Fencing install will take up to 30 days starting in October. Funding for the courts 1 through six will be funded through the approval of a budget amendment enacted through ordinance number 2025-06 which second reading will come to your
next meeting in September 2nd in the amount not to exceed $231,650 from the USA hurricane relief grant funds in the amount of $50,000 are budgeted in the approved FY25 budget for repairs to tennis courts 7 and 8.
Staff is seeking city manager purchases authority approval to award the contract and has and is available to answer questions. Any questions? >> No, I think this was all discussed originally. >> It was. >> Yeah. So, I don't really have any.
>> All right. Uh let's have a uh a roll call vote, please. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki, >> I. Mayor Doctor >> I. >> Thank you.
>> Moving on to H8. Um, Kingfish Park. Um, >> seven. >> Did I go over seven? Oh. Motion to approve city manager purchase authority for 49,998 Somefield Construction Services for
demolishing and rebuilding the Roselli Park Bill Lions Field Dugouts. I move to approve and authorize the city manager's purchase authority to Summerfield Construction Services in the amount of 49,998 for demolishing and rebuilding the
Roselli Park Bill Lionsfield dugouts. >> Second public comment. We'll close public Ross. >> Am I cleared? >> I got it. >> All right. Um, Ross Sanchez, 44 Dolphin Drive, even though it's a dirt lot. I
live off the island. Um, trying to get back on. Um, I did want to say I left off my intro. Um, thank you for my refund, by the way. I got my refund for my demo permit, $250. I really appreciate that. Kindly, I'll be donating it back to the city. Just for
the record, I want them to put treasure instead of oranges in the treasure chest at the bottom of the bridge. I don't know how that's happened, but I'm going to make it a point to make that happen. Um, usually, so on this, I just wanted to call out something because I think
this is important. As a father, as a long-term uh resident, my grandfather obviously was on the island, but so these dugouts are in a different district than my district. And I'm up here saying absolutely have at it. It's for it. And I just want to kind of put
that into perspective because every part of this island has its own unique piece to it. I've said it before, I will say it again. Sunset has the beach at their fingertips with the pavilion. You know, north you've got the John's Pass area. You know, this area has the baseball field and pickle ball parts. I don't
play pickle ball courts, but not one time have I said we shouldn't invest in pickle ball. But I also think that it's important because I live in District 3 or Paradise Island to call out that, you know, there's stuff over there. you you move into these neighborhoods for the different amenities that it offers. Unfortunately, we're barrier island. We
cannot all have a dog park. We can all not have a baseball field. We can all not have a golf course. We can all not have beach at, you know, at our fingertips at our at our toe tips of the neighborhood. So, I just wanted to call that out as we think about, you know, as we're kind of rejuvenating the city that every island has unique opportunities
and every, you know, so when it comes to these enhancements, it's extremely beneficial for the youth that's growing um onto this island. Thank you. >> Thank you, Ross. That was awesome. >> Side note, I thought it was interesting that for a fence of $200,000, we bid it out and we got seven responses. Going
back to my healthcare comment about 1.5 million. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. Uh is there any public comment? Okay, let's close public comment and let's go ahead and have a u have a
>> I just have one question about it. Uh it it mentions in the analysis that the last few storms ripped off shingles and water has reached the plywood and started rotting. Was uh this expenditure submitted as part of our insurance claims?
>> Yes, a couple of the they did recognize some uh loss of shingles. So we will be getting some money back from insurance. I don't know the exact amount quite yet, but I know they're they're working out right now. We have meetings every week with them. We will be getting some refund money from the loss of shingles, I guess you would say. >> Okay. Thank you.
And I just want to thank Ross real quick for that comment because I've gotten some emails of people asking why we're spending this money right now. And you hit it right on the head. It's very important for the youth. I mean, we have another segment of people in our community now, a younger families. And
you know, it's important that all these different things do start happening to get back to normal. So, thank you for that. >> All right. Thank you. So now let's go ahead and move forward and uh let's do it on a uh voice vote. All in favor say I. >> I
>> opposed. Hearing none. Unanimous. >> Now we can move on to uh H8, Kingfish Park. Uh so I asked this to be put on the agenda so we could discuss the sale of
Kingfish Park. Um it's in our budget uh for half a million dollars to fix the seaw wall. Um so this is Kingfish Park from the water. Um and you could tell uh looks like bags of concrete piled on top
of each other. That entire seaw wall broke free and fell into the water. Uh although there's a a white sign white uh fence there. There's a big sign that says do not enter. Uh the park is closed. Uh, but every time I've been there, there are people fishing. So, I
think that's a liability for the city. So, zooming in, uh, there's that wall. Um, you know, I know I talked to Mike, uh, when I first got sworn in, the public works director, and he said half a million dollars is the high end, but obviously there's a lot of work. The
current there, you know, is very quick, uh, and so on. So, but there you can see closeup of the wall. Uh so here's the f uh the fencing the pipe uh looks like steel piping. Uh it's all crumbled. Um there's like the end or start of the
bridge that went into John's Pass. Um and then we got uh sections of the uh bridge. Um bless you. Uh then we got a sign obviously unsafe conditions. Um I
mean some of these holes could swallow a child. Um, and uh there's rain or shine. There's people fishing. Um, there's the fence again. We could easily walk around. And
more pictures of devastation throughout all the storms. Um, I thought it was a lot bigger section. I mapped it out using Google uh Earth or Google Maps and based on what I thought was the boundary of uh Kingfish
Park. It's a total area of 6,000 one square ft. Um but obviously I don't know exactly if it includes the parking lot or it goes to the road. Um I thought it was a lot bigger quite frankly. Um
and that's pretty much it of the slideshow. So, uh, I was going to see if, uh, the commission could entertain a motion, uh, to direct city staff and the city manager to look into, uh, selling King Fish Park to going out for RFP, see
who's interested in it, uh, whether we want to list it for sale for the surrounding land owner or do we want to put it out for sale for the rest of the public. So, that's pretty much it. I think that uh it would be premature to
do any of those at right now to be quite honest. I think that uh what we're taking a look at is a lease um property. Uh it it really takes in a lot more than than what you see here. It it has the ride ofway, which is the road
that went in front of the uh the restaurant all the way down. Uh there was also and still exists. There are parking spots on the side of that road, which is our rideway, which generates, you know, tens of thousands, if not even
more than that. Um, so I think that to say we want to sell it, um, is is a little premature. Not to say that maybe it wouldn't, but I think that there's a lot more that we could do. I know that the the folks that are up there, uh, Green Leaf, you know, they're interested
in in the property, and I think that we could take a look at a lease, maybe a 50-year lease, a 99-year lease, uh, that that could generate some money for us for the city and uh, actually capture all of the the parking revenue that uh,
that we'd be losing out on as well. So, um, I think it might be just a little bit premature. I know that we are going to have a comprehensive plan uh moving forward. We're going to hear more about that at the next city commission meeting. Um and so yeah, if we could just hold off a little bit, I think that
would be the right >> trying to find some money. So >> Well, I I agree with you. I mean, we need to do something with it. We need to do it and and move quickly. I I went up there last Wednesday to check it out because I saw that it was on the agenda and I was just
flabbergasted with how badly damaged that piece of property is and I looked at and I thought the how in the hell could anybody fix this for $500,000. It just was it just was astonishing how bad it looked. Uh having said that, I only thought there were three parking spaces
where you see those right now. There's one handicap and two others. Uh, Mayor Doctor, do you say are there more parking spaces that on the rightway leading up to there? Correct. Okay. >> Okay. Anyway, but but to to Commissioner Sesan's point, uh, when I went there
Wednesday and again over the weekend, there were people fishing and I stopped and talked with them and, uh, mentioned that the city was going to be talking about the possibility of selling that and their reaction uh, obviously was negative because they said that's one of their favorite fishing spots. So, so
that seemed to be a concern about letting that go. Uh, Mayor, you're you're you're uh floated out the suggestion about a long-term lease. And if that lease could incorporate leaving that open for public fishing, then then that would satisfy my biggest concern.
But the park has no other utility that I'm aware of other than fishing. There's just there's just nothing there. It's and and it is a it's a dangerous site right now. And I'll go right along with that. It is I don't see how on earth for half a
million dollars you can repair that. I just think that's impossible. I think that's a pipe dream. Um I think it is a pretty I mean we've never we've not really done anything with it. Um, I would agree that I think if if a lease
would work and we were not liable in any way for injury, for any of that because that is a very, very heavy current that flows through there. Mike and I fish, we crab through there during tarpon season
and you have to keep your boat in gear to even be able to crab. So, God forbid somebody falls off of there and it's city property and they get swept away. And we all know, I mean, you can ask any of the police officers in the heart of season. Um, they're
constant people that are drowning or almost drowning in that current there. Um, and they're saving people all the time. So, I think taking that liability away um is pivotal. So, if that means we can do it with lease, that's fine. if that can happen where we don't have the
liability in any way or selling it or a swap, a land swap for green space, you know, green space for green space, you know, something like that. I'm definitely open to that. But I do think we need to figure out a way to in the
meantime, as much as I hate to say it, that is very dangerous for the everybody to be out there fishing because there are holes that could swallow children. And I see when we go by on the boat, I see kids, families out there, and I hate it. Um, but it is incredibly dangerous. Um,
and you see kids climbing around all the different blocks and stuff out there. So, I think we need to look at in the meantime figuring out a way to secure that where it's not such a liability. >> I know this is Commissioner Clark's district, so I don't want to step on his toes too much, but I'm trying to be
fiscally responsible and try and save the city some money. But, >> um, I'm all about fiscal responsibility. I think most people in my district know that. Um, I I agree with the mayor on this one where I think that it's a bit premature. I'm not saying that we
shouldn't be doing something with this at some point. Um, but I think everyone talks about that's one of our prime places to develop up there. And, you know, we know Anthony and his group Green Leaf wants to do that. But, um, I
think we might be able to get, um, I think we might be able to get, um, you know, more value if we if we when the time comes to do something up there, we we do a deal with them. Be it a lease, be it a parking share, be it something, be it trade that for another park across
the street or what have you. And I just think don't think it's a bad idea, just think it's a bit premature. Um, and but what I would like to see, and you kind of touched on it, uh, Vice Mayor, and that is, you know, do we put a chain link fence or something around it to keep someone from getting hurt in the
meantime? I don't think we want to spend half a million dollars on it when there's a very good chance something might be done with it, hopefully in the near future. Uh, but I just think it's premature just to go and just sell it at this time.
Do we want to ask the economic developer uh uh Joan to see what it's worth to even go just figure it out? See what what it could go for. >> Also, I should I usually don't interject, but legally this is a complicated property because your
charter, if you don't mind, I'm just going to jump in between points. >> So, um this charter has strong restrictions on your parks. Like when I first got hired, you know, I was asked, "Hey, research to see if this is really a park. It's named a park, but is it
really operated as a park? Does it fall within that parameter?" But article 1B 102B says not not just parks. It's not that just parks have to go to referendum before you sell them. Any land that's contiguous to water or even if it's not
contiguous, just helps provide access to water. None of those can be traded, sold, given away, anything except they can be leased up to three years. So, I'm not your economic development director, but what I would suggest is if you want to see economic utility in this
property, and I'm not trying to suggest you do this. I'm just giving you this as an option. You could do continuous leases of three years. It says you can't go beyond three years. So, it would be a three-year lease. Basically, it would lapse and then you would do another three le three years. And if you found
that somebody wanted to develop or do the type of structure that fit different uses like keeping some fishing and some a restaurant whatever the city could and this is not a radical idea a lot of cities do this build the type of project you want at it and then lease that out
because city of Leburg did that big beautiful lakefront restaurant with fishing and docks and this and that and they've had continuous tenants competing to lease it and they've never obviously had a hard time leasing it so it ends up paying for itself and some for some That's a little too, you know, government heavy, public public heavy.
But a lot of times government does lead on the economic development front in in that heavy of a way. But I'm just letting I'm only giving you those options because your charter has constrained what you can do and you only have a few options. I've talked to Joan about it and your city manager. So, I'm
happy to talk with you more about it uh and tell you about some other unique things you could do. But, but unfortunately, just giving it away or selling it outright because of these two provisions of the charter, you know, and of course, if you think that the public if you sell to the public the idea that we're going to use it in some way, that's very popular, then maybe it
passes referendum. But, as you very well know, political reality is a lot of times people will vote no on referendums if they think it's perceived as giving it away or just, you know, you taking away a park when of course it's not really what you're trying to do. you still want to be a public space. So,
>> chief, >> I was just talking with Gary in the back. We're going to go up there with better fencing and more abrupt signage and let people know exactly that, you know, there's no trespassing allowed there to keep out there because kind of people are wandering out there thinking, well, I'm
okay. I'm I I can incur the liability, but understanding that city property, we will have to shut it down completely and take appropriate action. >> Great. Thank you. Thank you. >> I think that's a good short-term solution, but I think uh Commissioner Sison's point is that we need to do something with this property. Either we
need to fix it up and and uh use it as a place that people uh can actually use it and use it so safely or we need to sell it or lease it. But the but the point is well taken. I think we need to do something as opposed to just letting it sit there. So, I I support Commissioner
Sison's suggestion that uh Joan, our economic development manager, uh maybe get involved in this piece of property to see what the what the opportunities are. >> And thank you for bringing it up because at least we'll have the protection of
the fence and things going up. So, that's good. >> Oh, it's very valid for, you know, our our concerns and realizing what the property is. But when you take a look at the park, the park uh is 6,000 >> square ft.
>> Uh but you also got a long ride ofway. >> Sure. >> That has, like I said, the uh the the parking uh revenues as well. >> So, all right. So, it it never did get a second, did it? >> No. I'm just bringing up the discussion
I think you wanted to have. >> Um Okay. All right. So, let's go ahead and move on to H. I'm sorry. We do have a couple of folks here. Robert, do you want to talk about it? >> Step forward >> just real quick.
>> Uh, Robert Bazo, District One. Yeah, I really I mean, Mayor Doctor, I think what your your points were great. Um, I've been asking for a briefing u by the economic development officer for months about really talking about all these areas and having a better picture. I think the answer to most things is
public private partnership and I think using that is that is a great location there and using that as as a as as possibly a nugget that if you want to develop entire south side of uh uh of John's pass is just abysmal and that could be maybe something again we can
hold in and if you want to develop let's say gators or something else uh part of that plan then would be you have to have the developer also develop that and use that as a park. Um, again, it's about teamwork. Public private partnership I should think I believe should be on
everybody's uh list of things that need to investigate. And I and I do think Joan has a big part in this. Um when when Tyler ran for mayor last time, I voted for him uh because uh John's pass was was top of his list to um
consolidate all the zoning, make it all standardized and really make that um as a competitor uh to the north side of John's Pass. And I think we haven't seen very much happen since then, for sure. But I think this piece of land um it's a it's good for public use. Um I think
it's a it's a gem. And I think that's be something as an enticement or not an enticement actually a cost. If you want to develop that piece of John's pass then as the developer as as kind of like an impact fee you have to develop that piece of land and keep that as a green
space a fishing space uh for the public. Again public private partnership and the idea of just selling it now or leasing it right now I think it's really kind of absurd. And Mayor Dr. I like I like your idea a lot. Thank you.
Thank you, Robert. Ross Sanchez Ross Sanchez, uh, 44 Dolphin Drive. I'm glad that this was on the agenda. Thanks, uh, Commissioner Arthur for putting that on there and all the feedback from the commissioners, um, in regards to this. And it seems like there's, um, some different views on it.
I I do encourage you all to do something in regards to next steps. I don't know when the $500,000 is due to repair this. I don't know if that's I saw it on the budget item. I I don't know what it's worth, but I mean,
you're talking about a gain here and I understand that there's parking over there. I think right now with everything with the city trying to figure out where the money where we can get money coming in, this is an opportunity. I know that parking is important, but um I remember
a couple weeks ago when the lady had the very large check for $1.5 million, people's eyes in this audience lit up. So now you're talking about an opportunity for to save 500 grand on a work item that's just for the seaw wall that doesn't include the railings that
doesn't include the concrete. That that's the way that I'm reading into that. So um I think it's something that is important because of what it could potentially be. I don't know what the conversations are with the develop the um surrounding parcels, but I would
encourage this commission um to make some type of uh move or motion in regards to what is next steps in regards to Kingfish Park just solely based on the half a million dollar uh line item that's showing in regards
to the repairs. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mark. Good evening. Mark Hoey, District 3. A lot of good conversation, needed conversation about this. I'm in the camp that much like Mr. Sanchez, we shouldn't
be spending $500,000. And that's what caught my eye in the budget was that we were earmarking that to be spent without any real plan for what does that mean? On the other hand, I disagree with selling it outright at this particular
stage. Uh, I think it would be most usable as a bargaining chip uh to work with and and around future development, hopefully near future development, uh, in order to be able to say we can work
out some part of the deal, maybe extract concessions, uh, whatever may be necessary, uh, along with the future develop development of that waterfront. Uh but I I want to leave you with this. A lot of discussion, a lot of yeah, we should do
this. Yeah, it's a good idea to do that. Without a motion being uh tendered and passed, what official marching orders does the city staff have to do anything? We've had that happen here before where
a lot of good discussion. It never went to a past motion. The city just says we never really got official direction from the commission. So consider that. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Marie Barbara. >> Marie Barbara, Sunset Beach, um,
Paradise Island. Um, a lot of red flags were flying around my head, especially as the one that put the language onto was one of the ones that put the language onto the charter in 2005. We were part of the charter review committee and we I actually grabbed that from St. Petersburg. So you'll see
Albert Whitt it, you know, still around for certain reasons. But thank you, but thank you for not um the red flags were like, let's trash this constitution. The most important document in the city of Treasure Island is is the charter and let's just trash it and throw it away. So thank you for not doing that. The
other thing that kind of u struck me as a little odd and probably I just need, you know, a little clarity because I misunderstand certain things and the perception is is different from one person to the other. when you say that you wanted to spend five half a million
dollars $500,000 on the uh uh construction of the seaw wall and then in the second breath you said but then I want to sell it. So you want to fix you want to spend $500,000 of taxpayers money. This is what it sounds like. I want to spend $500,000 of taxpayers
money and then I want the developer to sell it to the developer, you know. So, it it just seems a little little disingenuous or um not not what we're expecting out of out of the board here. And um I think I like some of the ideas
when you talked about leasing it and the the charter does specify leasing it. you can only use it for three years. But if we make revenue from that and we build something and we we uh attract revenue, we get the revenue from that or have the developer doing that on a lease, then
that's not a bad idea as well. Thank you, >> Grant Smith. >> Good evening, Grant Smith, Sunset Beach. I just wanted to follow up on a few of the comments. Um, while I appreciate Mr. Hoey and Mr. Franches pragmatic approach
to this. The discussion here has been centered exclusively on utilitarian value of this property. Um earlier Mr. Sanchez made the comment regarding the value of the dugouts at Rosselli Field and how it brings the community together. Uh Commissioner Sajan and uh
Commissioner Vasquez, both of you mentioned that anytime you look at this property, you see people fishing there, you see families there, and it concerns you. So it's interesting because in 2009 there was research that was done by uh the uh the trust for public land where
they attempted to quantify not only the value that public parks bring from a utilitarian perspective but they also built an algorithm to quantify what they refer to as the hydonic value which is what it brings back to the community in
terms of long-term property values. So a short short-term utilitarian value is to sell it, use it for the budget. The long-term hydonic value is the increase in property values that are associated with municipalities that have public
spaces. It's the increased tourism dollars that are generated when a municipality has public spaces. It's the community cohesion that comes about when you have a public space where people can gather. So, Commissioner Clark, it's
it's your uh your district, and I'm sure that there's opportunities to utilize that space to build community cohesion. So, when we're looking at the economic return on this value, I hope that we look bigger than purely the utilitarian value on how much does it cost to fix it
and how much can we get for selling it because it's a public space and once it's gone, it's gone. We can't get it back. So please keep in mind that there are models out there that will help you quantify not only the utilitarian value but also the value that comes to a
community through these hydonic costs of cohesion, tourism utilization, health benefits, environmental benefits. So there's a way to calculate these costs also. Thank you. >> Thank you Grant. >> All right, we're going to close public
comments and we are going to >> Should I say something really quick? Sure. >> Yep. So, I was wondering maybe we could give staff direction and ask Gary to see how much it would cost to actually fix the seaw wall if it's still a half a million dollars because that was done a long time ago. And what if it's a
million dollars to fix it? I mean, I know the current is very fast over there. So, you know, fixing my seaw wall was $220 or linear a foot. I'm sure the price has increased. But what if we gave staff direction to see what the actual
cost is to fix it? This way we give staff direction because if it's if it's a half a million dollars then it's a half a million but what if it's a million, right? So what do you know? So I make a motion to direct staff to figure out what the
actual cost is to fix the seaw wall. So we get >> I think we actually probably do it more as a consensus than as a motion. to have them >> whatever >> look into it. But, uh, city manager. >> Yes, sir. Um, so I had a talk with our economic development manager,
I think late last week. It's all running together on me. I apologize about just the whole uh, Green Leaf area there, the south side of John's Pass. Um, and she's has talked with the gentleman Anthony,
not this one, and Green Leaf. And I I I would prefer some I I I think the chief of police was spot on. We need to secure it. I was going to suggest that. Appreciate y'all uh figuring that out in the the back of the room. We can certainly do that. But I'd like to just
explore what the options are. I don't know how we get a hard cost on repairing it without actually writing a scope of work, going out for an RFP. And what I what I've heard and what I think may have been misunderstood um was that we don't want to spend
whether it's a half a million or a million dollars repairing it. We want to sell it, lease it, use it as a bargaining chip. I'm going to have to ask the gentleman for the 50 cent word he used because I had not heard the hydrone thing, but that's all good, too. Um, but let if you would just allow me
to explore it versus I've I've got public works tasked with about 59 things right now and and everything uh is important, but I'd like to prioritize their time and that that seems like a a time spender when I don't think y'all
want to spend money on it anyway. >> Great. And when you do your uh reports, if you'll keep us updated as to where it goes, I'd appreciate that as well. Just one little uh addition to to to the work that you're going to do uh on this
project is the hazard mitigation grants that we applied for was to rebuild city seaw walls. Uh so there's uh if that's approved, which we hope to hear from in the next several months, but if that's approved, that might give us uh uh some
money to rebuild. >> And that would make more sense if I can do it at 75 or 25 cents on the dollar reimburseed. But you're still going to have to front the money. But thank you for reminding me of that. >> Thank you. Moving on. H9 award piggyback
contract for sanitary sewer pump station repair rehabilitation improvements to TLC Diversified Inc. and provide purchase authorization to the city manager for up to $250,000 for wastewater and storm water system repairs on an asne basis.
I move to approve the piggyback contract between the city of Treasure Island and TLC Diversified, Inc. for sanitary sewer pump station repair, rehabilitation, and improvements and authorized expenditures totaling up to $250,000.
>> We have a second. We have a motion and a second. Do we have any public comment? >> Hearing no public comment is back up here. Anybody have any thoughts? All right. Uh, let's go ahead and I would like to take a roll call vote.
>> Vice Mayor Vasquez I. Commissioner Seson >> I. >> Commissioner Clark >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki >> I. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. >> Thank you. >> Moving on. H10 discuss workshops. Vice Mayor Vasquez. So, um I I kind of put together a little
uh and this is due to not just seeing the fatigue of the commission and the and the people who come to the meetings, but also emails that I receive um about the late night workshops and that it's
difficult for people with young families to come because they're putting their kids to bed. They're they have to go to school the next day. Um it's harder on our elder population because um again it's very late and for those who come to
the meetings it's very difficult because sometimes our meetings do go long and then we may start a workshop at 8:30 9:00 and it's a workshop that's going to take two hours and um there's many um and each of you have this there's many
uh proven reasons why um attention and fatigue after two hours of meetings um is just a fact. It is not my opinion. Um that is a psychological fact. Um you know we put a lot of time into studying
and preparing for uh you know the commission meetings and we do the same for workshops. However, it I don't feel and and reading and one of the reasons the county does what they does they do and I'll discuss that shortly is by the
time you get to the workshop we may be locked and loaded and ready to go but we're all exhausted. You guys are all exhausted. And again, the people who would love to be here and engage can't be. And I've heard from them and and I I
don't know if any of you have, but I I know that I've spoke to several and um and honestly it's mostly families because they have to be home with their their children when they are putting them to bed. So um the county the way the county currently does it, they
actually their meetings are on Tuesdays. They actually do their workshops um for and these are not special workshops. These are just your regular workshops. Um what they do is the Thursday before their Tuesday meeting, they have 9:30
a.m. workshops. Um that allows people to engage. Um they do have um a pretty good turnout for their workshops as well. And it also allows them to speak on the agenda because our agenda is set on Thursdays. So if there's any questions
or any of that, it allows for that. Now, I'm not saying we have to do it on Thursdays at 9:30 a.m. I'm just giving you the county example. Um, it has proven very effective for them that by having the workshop before the scheduled meeting, but more than anything, just
having it earlier in the day, there's a lot more engagement between the commission itself and the community and a lot more effective. Now, I know um again I'm very open to do we do it the
same day as our meeting and do it earlier? Do we do it the morning of? Do we do it two hours before our regular meeting? I'm very open to the discussion. Um the one thing that I truly feel very passionate about um and again that I've heard from my
constituents is not leaving it where it currently is. um that has been something that has been widely talked about um for quite a long time, even before I was a commissioner. Um so I just kind of wanted to open that
up and hopefully move forward on on potentially doing a motion to uh move it if we can all kind of come to a a consensus on that. Again, I'm open to suggestions on times, days. I just wanted to give the county as an example
because it's a proven method. Uh, I don't like staying here till 11 o'clock. Um, the only thing I will say, I had a meeting last night with 61 residents. I just counted seven people are here that were at that meeting. And
when meetings being brought up at during the middle of the day or during the day, I would say, and anyone can correct me if I'm wrong out there, I had a 100% participation that said no. and they wanted me to go talk to the city manager. We do not want any meetings
scheduled during the day when we can't come. And I think the budget um workshop the other day, I think we had two or three residents there on a Monday night at 6:00 p.m. I had 61 residents. So, I I
just don't I don't I just I I I don't want to stay here till 11:00, but I also don't think the residents want to have these meetings during the middle of the day. Um, so I I don't know where the happy medium is there, but yeah. >> Yeah, I know we've talked about this uh
earlier and a matter of fact in the March time frame, we were talking about this. Um I I I do like the idea of having the workshop beforehand because you know we can now discuss and is fresh on everybody's mind and it it for the people in the audience it kind of gives
them you know a brain rush as well of yes I need to we should ask this question that question and and it it being uh once we can get outside of that sunshine or I don't know if outside or inside the sunshine what whatever but uh
if we could just you know be able to have clean thoughts before we do it at 6:00. I was thinking maybe we could do it at 5:00. >> And and in this if if you look at the implementations and key times, it even
speaks of staff support providing concise pre-eread materials and executive summaries. So presentations are very brief so that discussion times are maximized and to limit the meetings to 60 to 90 minutes. Um, so what you're
saying would work if it was 4:30 or 5:00 or whatever that looked like, that definitely would work. No question. >> Yeah, I I like that, too. I mean, if you do it at 4:30 or 5 at least, I think if people have some advanced notice, you know, maybe you can skip out of work a
little early or something and still be able to make it versus no chance of making it in the middle of the day or in the morning, you know. Good. >> Well, my my thoughts on this was I don't want to have another meeting. Okay. It seems like we have plenty of plenty of meetings. So, I I I certainly don't want
to do that. And right now, you know, I have to schedule my vacation around these meetings. And I wouldn't want to add two more meetings to our schedule to have to schedule uh around. So, uh, I think maybe a hybrid of of what you're suggesting would work. If it's an if
it's kind of a routine thing like the like this evening, we're going to review the third quarter uh, results. Uh, that probably will go pretty quickly and it's not going to, you know, it's not going to be a three or five hour session. But something like the budget session that could be four or five hours, uh, that
should be scheduled on a separate day and get that kind of attention. But most of the things that we've discussed uh or that we do discuss at workshops tend to be uh you know not those type of things that they can tag along and and perhaps
if we could as a commission be more disciplined in how we move this meeting along like today's meeting is going along I think pretty well. We've got a lot done accomplished a lot and we're you know minutes away from from uh getting into today's workshop. So, I I'd
say it depends how complicated the workshop is, how much public attention we think we're going to get, uh, and and build build around that. >> Yeah, I am opposed to uh, early morning meetings. let many of my constituents
still work as well as do I. But uh yeah, I think depending on the situation, depending on the subject, maybe five o'clock and then if something if we don't make it in time, we you know add it after the uh 6 p.m. regular uh
meeting. But I don't want it on a different day. I don't think that's going to work. So, >> well, I think um and again, I was just using the morning as because the county was an example of how it works and that it works well as far as the attention
and all of that. Um I think going over and and if it goes over moving it to after that kind of would defeat the purpose. So, I think if we're worried about that then then 4:30 kind of makes more sense than 5. that way we have time to go to the restroom and, you know, get
ready for our six o'clock meeting. I think that that kind of makes sense. Um, and again, as long as we're I agree with you, as long as we're disciplined, um, and we, you know, our staff is well informed, pre-eread, it's a brief, you
know, presentation to maximize the the allotted time for discussion. I think uh I just think we'll get more out of them when we're fresh and and >> yeah, I just >> can can you do it at five and start the meeting at 6:30 or is there some law or rule that it has to be at 6?
>> We can make the rules ourselves. It just takes three of us to agree. So we can do it at 5:00 and at 6:30. So you know workshop and then meeting >> that sounds >> if we want to try that we can uh we can do that and if we find that it doesn't work like I said it three people just
have to say let's do it differently. So, uh, so, okay, let's let's try that then. So, for city clerk, if you would, 4:30, >> I'm sorry, 5:' and then 6:30 for the, uh, the actual meeting.
>> No, >> I think I know the answer to the question before I ask it, but, uh, how flexible is the start time? If we announce we're going to start the regular meeting at 6:30 and we get through the workshop in 30 minutes, do we can we roll right into the city
commission meeting or because we >> Yeah. The way law works is you can't start earlier than you notice, but you can start after. So if you said workshop 5:30, meeting at 6, the workshop's 15 minutes, you can't start before 6. But if it workshop's an hour, you can start
30 minutes after you noticed it. You just I mean it's a fair notice is basically the rule. >> Well, then maybe you leave at 5:00 and 6:00 and it goes over a little bit and if it gets done at 6:30 then you start at 6:30, >> right? >> Yeah. >> We just need to make sure we're as disciplined as possible to make sure
that meeting is starting at like you were saying, you know, just but I that's actually a really good question though. That's a good question. >> All right. Well, that was an administrative item. or is it public? >> Can I just ask for clarity before we
move on? So 5:00 pm for the workshop and 6 pm for the regular meeting and that will be effective September 2nd. >> That's your next regularly scheduled meeting. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Are we taking public comments for this? >> Uh we we don't need to, but we will come
up. >> My name's Mary Ellen Huer. It's nice to see you all tonight. I do come to the meetings. I seldom speak. I was a teacher for 42 years. We always had faculty meetings every
Tuesday and they could keep us an hour late. My husband was the deputy executive director of SwiftMU and whenever he had to do something he had to ask himself how is the public
served. Now if you think they would let me leave a faculty meeting to come to the city council meeting you're absolutely wrong. If you think my husband would be able to
leave work to come here, how would he answer the question, how was the public served? We have to remember that people have jobs and we all have jobs for a reason or
they wouldn't exist. So, please be very careful about timing because you do cut out a great majority of the your constituents. Do you think they're going to let them leave Publix to come over here
in the middle of the day to voice their opinion? No, they're hourly wage earners. They can't do that. So, it bothers me when we have this notion
that an employer will let you leave half an hour early for a meeting that has nothing to do with your job. It's another point of view. [Applause]
I have just a slight comment. Marie Barbara at Sunset Beach Paradise. We I think when I first moved here 40ome years ago, but um they I know it makes you feel really old. And they had I think twice a uh a month, I think one
one day on Tuesday or Thursday it was that they had the meeting and then the other uh the ne following week they had the workshop. So that's another option. But I certainly appreciate public servants. You're public servants and you're not, you know, and you're you're
personally I really think you your your salaries are ridiculous. You know, they're low. Somebody needs to to to move a motion and and pay you guys a little bit more. But I think 4:30 5:00 would probably >> Yeah. would probably work really well.
Mark, come on up. >> I know. I appreciate it. I had to put a card in. Um certainly everyone has kind of struggled with balancing the hours. There's a reason that when there are daytime meeting, it's all the old
gray-haired people are there during the day because they can be. You know, you have that luxury as a retiree to do that. Uh but it does cut down on public uh participation and honestly uh vice
mayor even referenced that about the budget meeting that there were only two people who were in attendance that was 10:00 meeting. uh that tells us something there. And and while it might fit in and have to be shoved in in a different time, I don't think we want to
lose sight of having uh the public have a reasonable opportunity to participate and have their voices heard. At the same time, uh yes, 5-hour marathon workshops have to be worked around. Uh, but if it
could be adjusted a little bit, I think as long as it keeps the public interest involved and we're not necessarily faced with saying, "Well, I can watch it the replay on YouTube tomorrow." Uh, that doesn't help if you have any comments
that you'd like to add to it. So, appreciate it. Thanks. >> All right. Uh, close public comment. And now we're going to move on to the item that is now H11. And that is
uh authorization authorize the construction contract for the Treasure Island Dune Walkovers repair project. >> I move that the city commission authorize the construction contract for the Treasure Island Dune Walkovers repair project.
>> Second. We have a motion and a second. Gary, would you >> There was a a comment. I guess it it was u Commissioner Dicki who had a a question about the the item and moved it from the consent agenda to >> Yes. I I had a few uh questions I wanted
to ask more so than uh had we left it on the consent agenda. So, so I appreciate my fellow commissioners uh uh uh allowing this to be moved on. I thought there were lots of uh loose ends in the contract quite frankly. Uh it is for
$416,000 and and my initial reaction is, you know, 416,000 is a lot less than the money that we were we were talking about spending $368,000 for the design of the project. Uh I realize this isn't building new new uh dune walkovers. It's
repairing the ones that that that we have. Uh anyway, here here's several points I'd like to make. One is that uh we had talked when we did talk about doing this, we talked about doing it after the uh uh turtle, not after turtle
season and also after the beach nourishment. Uh this sounds like something we're moving forward with before those two things happen. >> That's correct. It's uh it's been a almost a year since the storm and we need to get them fixed. I I understand
your concern. Um first of all, the contract I'm not sure where you got the copy of the contract. I checked online. Both copies have the correct version. It's only $294,000. Well, what happened was there were a few
um crosswalk at at 124th, 121st, and 99th were removed. That was because of the uh um uh we're looking at overall budget trying to keep the cost down and those didn't seem to have as much frequency and and the cost versus the
the actual improvements. We didn't think it was as at this point it may be a future phase of of work. We still cover the overwhelming majority of them. Now your question about the renourishment um in many areas we we don't have a dune to
build a walk over over. So um what we're doing is we're going with a simple post and rope system that we use at several of the parking lots currently. Um it's a an inexpensive way to address the uh um
uh confining the public to a limited area instead of just out of the parking lot through the whole beach area. So it's it's a a very inexpensive way to address it. So we are not going to be building any any improvements out into areas that are going to be reourished.
>> Okay. Uh a couple of other loose ends. One uh on page now this was the hard copy of the contract that I printed once it was originally posted. So you guys must have put a new contract in after that. So that's what I was looking at. But one of the elements of that contract
on on uh page five of that contract uh item number four it says propose proposal is based on one one mobilization to the site to perform work. Additional mobilizations are a minimum of $3,000 per mobilization.
So when I looked at that I knew we had 26 dune walkovers to work on. I assume there's going to be more than one mobilization. I and I don't know if they call a mobilization, you know, every okay, we we we did two dune walkovers today. Let's come back tomorrow and do
another one and the next day and do another one. Are each of those mobilizations? >> I I can see that that your understanding there. This was put in because say say they're out there and we get a storm and they have to demobilize, it would be a
total leaving the site. Um, but if if they start at uh the north end, we're just going to keep banging them out until we so there would be no remobilization fee. But that's a good >> Okay. And then on the on page six of the
contract, uh, it has an item is called exclusions, and it listed a whole bunch of stuff, and exclusions really threw me uh off because there were so many things on here, but some of this stuff was like relocation or removal of excess materials. Uh are they excluding that
from the contract the cost of that from I mean there's there's over we walked there's 31 items of things that they've excluded and some of them are you know stabilizing uh for access uh uh for the pump trucks around the building and stuff like that. But it looked like a
lot of exclusions that I didn't know. We walked every dune walkover with the contractor in some cases multiple times to try and narrow down the scope. This price is a not to exceed. We hope to re reduce it somewhat because if some of
the you see there are some allowances because we don't have actual blueprints. We didn't we don't have the specific footages. So these some in some cases they're allowances but um we um the exclusions those are some generic
exclusions. The excess material that's that's this is a um a generic contract uh listing there that was not put together for us. But it includes removing the material the damaged material that we do
take out. it it includes um taking it off the site and disposing of it. >> Okay. And my last point, and I just this is for more so for the residents. Anything else, the Sunset Beach uh dune walker overs really would just be the
current uh walkways will be removed and replaced for now with uh with rope and post and that's it for now. >> Correct. I assume I assume the plan is to come back later after the dune uh
after the beach is reourished. I assume the plan is to come back and actually build dune overs dune walkovers where they're necessary. >> That's correct. We don't have specific blueprints for the you know the dunes or whatever is we know it's going to be renourished. We're not sure exactly how they're going to configure it. So rather
than spending any money on the traditional boardwalk approach, we figured the post and rope would work for the time being. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. You've answered all my questions, >> Gary. Wasn't this the what we had a quote on from I think the old public works director for like $4 million that
now we're doing for 400 or 275? >> What what what had been proposed was a total removal of every stick of wood, every post, everything. Um after walking them and realizing, you know, the budgetary constraints that we we are in
under, I just felt that this was the best use of our money. We're gonna be you'll be proud of them when we're done. They'll be safe. We'll be, you know, happy with the final product. >> No, no, I'm not. Yeah, I agree with that. And then I think you just answered it, but I had a couple residents from up in Sunshine Beach as me. So, I'll make
sure I'm clear. Once the reemergement's done, we're going to have a plan to Some of them are going to have to be built and like walkovers probably and things at that time. >> It really depends on what we we get and how much is accreated. One concept is we're looking at possibly doing some
plantings where we are able to exclude, you know, in some areas there's just no vegetation left. There's nothing left. It's just sand. So, when we we we confine the the u um access to um a narrower area. We were looking at maybe
installing some some sand fencing and some sea oats and things and seeing what we can do to help encourage the the dune to accrete and grow on its own also. So, we're going to we'll we'll follow the the work by by the renourishment program closely and and and augment it as we we
think is best. Gotcha. >> Thank you, Gary. >> Okay. >> Open public comment. And I do have one here. Richard Harris. >> Richard Har here. 374 Bay Plaza. um talked to uh a lot of people about these
dune walkovers. I heard there was 27. Uh situation being is the previous public works department was going to hire a consultant engineer to the tune of $368,000 to design something. And we heard
through the great vine that they'd never done that before. Through my 40 years of engineering design, I never designed a dune walkover. And then standard drawings from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, the Florida
Department of Transportation exist where a good carpenter can take those drawings and it's a standard design 12:1 slopes for handicaps, uh 2x8 stringers, two uh 2x8 joist, uh
2x6 u deck boards. It's pretty easy stuff. So instead of wasting uh $368,000 on a consultant that had never done one before and having on the job training,
we're going to take that 200 $368,000 and hire a good contractor, a good carpenter, knows what he's building. I think this is great savings to the uh city of Treasure Island. something that needs to happen. And you know, there
will be some uh logistical problems. I mean, we got the turtle season going on for a while. We've got places where we need them right now because there are sand dunes. Got other places there's no sand dunes left at all, especially on Sunset Beach down there at parking lot
number three. And uh you drive along West Gulf Boulevard where you should not be seeing the water. And it's pretty obvious if we had another Hela that area would be significantly damaged. But I just wanted to say I really appreciate uh Gary Volcs
director who took this bull by the horns and basically uh saved the city a lot of money and I think it's something that we need to go forward with as soon as possible. Thank you. >> Thank you, Richard. Do we have any more public comment?
And we'll close public comment and we'll move on into commissioner reports. >> Oh, yes, we do. >> Sorry about that. >> All right, let's let's have a roll call
vote. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki, >> I. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. >> Thank you. Okay, now let's move on to our commissioner reports.
I just want to say a big thank you to everybody who's been working on the mosquito issue. Um, as of this morning, um, early early morning, um, I should say middle of the night, um, they sprayed, I believe, um, my district and
your district, um, Arthur, um, I know they sprayed Isa Capri, the county did, and Paradise to try to get a hold of the mosquitoes. Um, they just asked that we still be very, very attentive on making sure there's no standing water in
buckets or even lids. I mean, little small things. Um, just make sure you're checking that and dumping them daily or make sure there's none at all. But very grateful for that. So, hopefully we hear some relief of the mosquitoes soon. Um,
I've an interesting thing and this is just something that I just added a little while ago. I had a few pe a few residents um actually I went to Publix this afternoon and I had a few residents that um were asking me if we have ever
considered putting a gym in sim in city hall similar to what St. Pete Beach does um St. Pete which I know they do St. Pete Beach has it and they charge um I believe it's $20 a month is what these particular residents because they go there. They live here but they go there.
Um and they said they would love for me to put that out there. So that's what I'm doing. I don't think it's a terrible idea, but um they just would like Treasure Island to consider doing a public city gym that would be open to the residents at a cost savings. Um
turtle season was brought up. We need to make sure and remember um because we've all seen, you know, the post and things where people have seen holes left. If you're walking the beach and you see a hole and there's nobody around there, please don't wait for somebody else to do it. Fill that hole in. It's turtle
season. We need to do our part in what we can um to make sure those holes get filled. Um and then the last thing I want to mention um is 911 is coming up. if you all do not have a plan um for how
you're going to recognize it. Um every year I personally um I always sing the anthem at the 911 memorial on Madera Beach. Um I'm part of the the um memorial there. Um but Treasure Island
Fire Rescue is doing a memorial walk. So, if you don't have anything planned, this is actually pretty incredible that they're going to be doing this. Um, it starts at 8:46. Um, it's going to begin at the Freedom
Boat Club on Kingfish Drive. Um, which is of course what we've kind of been talking about, the Gator Property. Um, that starts at 8:46. Um the walk will end at Beayshore Drive
um the Herring uh parking lot. It is a 3.43 mile journey to pay homage to the 343 firefighters lost in 911. Um our firemen will be doing this, I believe, and
correct me if I'm wrong, Chief. um they'll be doing it in uniform in full gear uniform and we all know how hot it is. So to make that walk I think it would be amazing um if we had residents come out and walk beside them and walk
with them. I know after I'm done with my memorial thing in Madera um I'm going to be joining them along the way. Um I believe chief said it's going to take about two hours um to do the walk. So if even if you can't do the full walk, I
just think it would be amazing even if you're along the way just to kind of encourage them. Um I think it it gets it falls by the wayside a little too often um in 9/11 uh the memorial of it and I just think it's really important that we
we do the justice that that it deserves. Um, there will be and there's more information um on the uh social media page for Treasure Island Fire Department or I'm sure you could reach out as well, but there'll be snacks and refreshments afterwards. Um, there's going to be uh
bus transportation after the walk to take you back to your car, so on and so forth. Um, if you want any more information on this, um, you could reach out to the fire department or you could reach out to me and I would be happy to provide you with that as well. But let's let's try to be get out there and
support them. >> Commissioner Clark. >> Yeah. Um first of all, I want to put a big thank you to our new finance director, Victor Ortiz. Um we had our kind of monthly bimonthly uh district true Isa Palms um pizza
party last night. Uh and the kind of the main topic was the budget. We talked about other things, but he was very gracious to come. Um, did a great job, answered a lot of questions, took a lot of notes, and uh, it was just great to
have his support there. Um, it was funny, he came up to me and he said, "I thought you were going to have 10 or 12 people here." And we had 61 people. So, um, uh, I really appreciate him doing that. And and as I I saw that event, it was just I just saw, you know, a lot of
neighbors sitting there just having good constructive conversation about, you know, what they what they want to see and and and what they what they think. And it was not contentious. It was just it was just a great it was a great thing. So, we just going to try to keep
those rolling. Um secondly, I um reached out to the director of the building department at the county. Um and the reason I did that was to inquire about bringing forward at some point during a
workshop, you know, outsourcing our permitting department to the county. um because I've talked to 20 builders and and I I'd say 19 of those builders before I could even get the sentence completed, should we do this? Their answer was yes, absolutely. They said, I
haven't I haven't had a success in your town in 20 years. Um so anyhow, the conversation evolved to him saying, "Chris, I wish I could help you, but I've already had six or seven other communities come to me and want to do the same thing, and we're helping them
first." And so I was a little bit late to the party. But what I did find out and I'm going to I I shared started to share this information with Charlie and I've had more conversations is they know there's a need out there especially around hurricanes and permitting. So
they are going to make like staff available that could come and help us either during peak times or help us till we clear our backlog or help us um you know possibly get some help for 6 months
or a year without having to go hire full-time people that we not might not end up needing um you know at at for their time. So, I'm going to get him in touch with Charlie at least and see if there's a way that possibly that can
help us maybe save money, approve our process because I know he's looking at the entire process right now anyway. So, that's just something that I'm that I'm working on. >> Great. Thank you. >> Can I side note on that real quick though? The only way the county will
send people in to help us is if we put our code to match the county because otherwise we would have to retrain their staff because I've looked into that as well. And that's part of the process is the only way that they will be able and I'm not saying I'm opposed to that by
any means. I'm just saying we would have to streamline our codes to match the counties in order to do that. >> You no comment. I'm going to I'm trying not to take uh up too much of your time. I was able to
attend the Florida League of Cities annual conference in Orlando uh last week of the 14th through the 16th. And whenever I spend taxpayer money on going to a conference, I always want to make sure I come back with at least one good idea or suggestion that I can share with
uh staff or with whoever. uh the Florida League of Cities, for that people that don't know, it's really an organization that that uh supports uh elected officials. It's not it's not there are city managers there. There's obviously city type employees there, government uh
employees, but it's really mostly uh city commissioners and mayors and vice mayors that the like. As a matter of fact, I remember I was telling the story before the meeting. I was walking through the through the building and and some guy was talking to his phone and he says, "Hey, commissioner." And I turned around, I said, "Yeah." and I didn't realize there was probably 600 other
commissioners there. So, he was he wasn't just talking with me. But anyway, uh like I said, I don't want to I don't want to go there and come back empty-handed at least with one idea. But what I did uh what I did see, and this would be along the lines of uh what Commissioner Clark was uh talking about,
uh actually I got ahead of myself. Let me do this slide first. Uh the mayor was originally asked to sit in on this session and he asked me if I could do it uh a panel discussion, a breakout session. It was after the headline what recovery really looks like. Uh so I was
on a panel discussion with representatives from Gulfport, Longboat Key, the city of Perry, Florida, and St. Augustine Beach. And the issues that each community was having were really uh with the exception of permit delays were
uh were pretty much market specific. Uh we tended we from what I best I can tell had the biggest issue with permit delays but there was good reason too because like Gport what I didn't realize that I knew Gulport because I have relatives that live there hit got hit with the
storm but only a fourth of their homes were affected by the by Hela. the that their the elevation there is high enough that that threearters of their community didn't even get hit with uh uh with with the flooding. So that was uh but anyway, we talked about even 11 months later,
permit delays are still an issue. Uh we talked about contractor shortages. Uh uh one of the communities talked about un uh a big problem in their community was unpermitted work being done uh and how that was going to come back and haunt uh
the residents and the city if they didn't follow up on doing that. So that was a a big discussion. Boy, that's a big arrow, isn't it? Uh and then uh of course many of the businesses remain closed. That was one of them. I I did talk about heavy turnover city staff uh
because we've had a huge turnover, but that seemed these five communities that were there that seemed to be a Treasure Island only uh experience because uh none of the other uh communities had the the level of staff turnover uh that we had. Uh one bullet point that I left off
was uh was the delay in getting FEMA money. Everybody was saying the same thing. Nobody has gotten any FEMA money at this point in time. It's going to come, but it could be, you know, two two to three years down the road from the hurricane before we start seeing some
FEMA money uh coming uh back to us. So, I just wanted to share that one of the uh but the as far as the good idea and this is uh uh this came from a a a breakout session called uh uh uh AI in
action practical tools for smarter local government. And this is where I apologize for how small that is. Uh I guess because I have a lot of information. So I'll try to uh read some of that out. But these this was a very heavily I mean it was standing room only. There were hundreds
of people in in the this workshop. But but how do we uh use uh uh AI to expedite you know to help permit process and I'm telling you there's a lot of cities that have already started doing that. Altoont Springs seems to be the
leader. Uh it was the first city in Florida to implement AI for automated automated permit reviews. Uh the their tool they're using uh accelerates workflow by handling repetitive checklist style task. The city of
Gainesville uh is is now reviewing doing their using AI reviewing their permits within 24 to 48 hours which was a substantial improvement over 15 ba business days they had prior to that. Their goal Gainesville is to reduce uh
permitting to just one day. Uh Hernando County, city of Titusville. By the way, all four of those uh markets are using the same AI tool. It's called auto review AI. So all of them are using this tool. So it's a proven tool. Uh it goes
uh the the city of Gainesville's actually used the resources of the of the University of Florida uh and helping get this implemented. So something that we might uh consider doing maybe getting University of South Florida to help us uh help us take a look at that. The city
of Naples is also doing uh using AI to help process uh city permits. They have a different uh uh soft or different package. It's called Bliss Blitz AI and their AI system assesses compliance from Florida building codes and local
ordinance in minutes. It flags vi violations and produces uh red line feedback within minutes. And this is of your basic type of uh permits. It's not the more complicated ones. But one of the things AI can do, they can quickly
look over and see what wasn't filled out properly. They can they can quickly verify this the permit application with what what you've set up there as uh as necessary. There is one other city, the city of Northport uh in Florida that is uh not using AI
but is using a program called Asella and they're uh they're now getting 90% of their building permits out you know within 3 to 5 days. So, there were some good best practices uh there that uh that I'll pass this on to the city manager to take a look at. My favorite
quote from the from the conference uh and and some of you who have been in politics longer than I have probably have seen this before. I had not seen it, but I've really given it a lot of thought. And it says there's no reward for risk in government. Uh and that eightword quotes kind of summed up my
entire year and a half of observation of how local government uh uh works. It uh you know in the business in the business or in the private sector in business taking a risk like launching a new product or making a bold investment or innovating can bring rewards profits
growth recognition promotions. In government, the system is not constructed to reward individual risk-taking. Uh result it success often results in little more than they're doing their job. While failure can bring intense scrutiny, blame and and even
career damage. I think this quote suggests that the structure of government discourages innovation and bold decision-making because individuals don't get rewarded for success but are punished for failure. the safest path
becomes cautious, bureaucratic and incremental action. And I think that's that's all government. This wasn't just city government. This is, you know, the way this is set up. So anyway, at a subsequent meeting, I'm going to hopefully in the next uh our next
meeting, I'm going to suggest uh uh we pass a resolution uh where we encourage stronger uh risk takingaking uh responsible risk takingaking uh amongst our uh residents. But anyway, I thought that was that was a great quote. Like
I've I I've thought about it a lot and it's absolute truth. That's my report. Thank you, Commissioner. All right. Uh I just have one quick comment uh and then we'll uh we'll move on. Um I I want to uh to thank our city
manager today. He uh attended our Rotary meeting and he gave the Rotary Club an update of what's happening in his life and uh and in the city. So I appreciate it. Thank you very much for attending. So what we're going to do here is I'm
going to adjourn this meeting and we are going to immediately open up uh the one item that we have in the workshop. So we are adjourned. >> All right. Once again I will call the meeting to order. Good evening and
welcome to Commissioner Workshop August 19th, 2025. I'd like to call the meeting to order. The first item of business is city attorney and city manager reports. >> All right. I think he's using the restroom, so I'll just jump in.
>> All right. The you guys gave the directive to Charlie to uh do the new parking changes. I guess he's already implemented them. Um so that's good. Now they're going to be codified in the ordinance. next month or next meeting, u you'll have the same thing he's doing already codified in a first reading
ordinance for your approval. Uh and then I'll just tap on earlier about the referendum. I think it's very clear that the referendum process when it comes to heightened density is discarded. Uh the referendum process for the sale of park
property is still valid for now. Um, but um, if there's a lawsuit, I feel very comfortable having it dismissed, I think, pretty quickly because the law is pretty clear on its face. It would be pretty short if they sued. It would be a judgment on the pleadings is what they
call it. Um, and then on top of that, let's see, I think, yeah, just drafting a couple things coming up your way for staff. And then of course next meeting you guys are going to be uh taking up some substantive comprehensive plan text amendments and LDR changes which are
significant. If you have questions in the meantime, feel free to call me and I can explain them to you. Um and uh I do expect them to pass uh at the board just based on conversations I've heard just in general. Um so they'll be probably be
on your desk next month. So um again, they're pretty significant. they're bigger and more aggressive than what the city's usually been dealing with in terms of land development stuff. So, if you have any questions at all, feel free to call me uh in the meantime leading up to that event. And that's all I have for
now. >> City Manager. >> Yes, sir. Um I'll try to be brief. Um, so you gave us overall direction to simplify uh the train modification manual to get
to a simple drain and fill uh script, couple pages we hope. I don't know how long it'll be. Um, so right now we're working through that um internally going over the eight uh parts of the code. it
uh looking at what the code looked like prior to the train modification manual. Um I was hoping that it would be super simple. I gave a very simple version, but uh that that really wasn't going to
meet u what we need when that modif when the modifications to our code occurred to put in TMM, it also affected different lines of the building code. So, some of it needs to stay, some of it needs to go. Um, you guys gave us the
authority to go to Kimley Horn for a product. I still intend on doing that, but uh between public works and CDD, we're doing some internal staffing so we can give them a more concise scope of work and hopefully they can give us a smaller bill on the other end. Um, but
we'll hand that uh project off um at some point in the fall. Um, we will need to implement a simple ordinance that allows field dirt on the island. um
when we're taking out the majority of the TMM and we're re looking at a couple other beach communities to see if there's a big chunk of what they're doing that would fit here um so we can do this um as simply as possible. Um so here here's
just breaking it down in phases. We're in phase one right now. when we get the product staffed out where what we think we need to keep, what we think needs to go, we'll share that with you guys um and develop a a very basic drainage plan
that allows for fill. When we get it where we think um we have what we need in it, we're going to hand it off to somebody at some point this fall. And um my goal is in early 2026 to bring you back something much more simple to
adopt. Um I like to underpromise and overperform. If I can get it to you any quicker, we will. Um but I'm I'm leaning pretty hard on CDD and public works for a whole lot of things. So this is what I think the
phases and the timeline will look like. Uh next slide, please. Um parking. you uh gave me some latitude to adjust parking for 30 days and see what that yielded. Um we're about almost two weeks
into that now. I think we implemented it on the Friday after the last Tuesday's meeting. Um, so that that's where the rates are currently and I'll report back uh when I know what that change is from this last month of summer in 2025 to the last month of
summer in 2024. This will end a few days after Labor Day. >> Okay. >> The Sunset Beach parking $5 an hour there. I believe so. >> I think it's a side street parking.
>> Street parking lot. >> Yeah, Sunset Beach is has been $1 more than the rest. So that we imitated that for the increase as well.
>> All right. I think that's it on this, right? Uh just a couple more items. Uh Vice Mayor Vasquez, thank you for the update on uh 911. So, please participate in that. Look at the city's social media if you would like to uh participate, support
our uh first responders in that movement. Um our folks are working hard. Um and I want to just highlight a couple areas. Uh, two uh, employees, I almost said two soldiers, two employees in CDD,
uh, Bianca Dante and Emily Ellis have recently uh, passed their flood plane management exam. Um, so that should bring up the level of service there. Um, recently our fire chief, Chief Barge,
was sworn in as the Florida Fire Chiefs Association president. um that that is the premier professional organization dedicated to advancing excellence in fire and emergency services with a membership of about 2,200 fire and
emergency services professionals. Um it's governed by a board of directors consisting of a six member executive board, six regional directors and senior member representing retirees and executive director and it's headquartered in Tallahassee.
Um, congratulations uh to firefighter Travis Deberry on graduating St. Pete Beach paramedic program last month. That is a year-long really buttkicking course. I mean, that
that is not an easy lift. I've met and talked with uh this particular firefighter. He is a real long ball hitter. He's going to do great things. Uh Chief, you better be looking out. He's coming coming up on your heels. Um
1,200 hours of classroom time in addition to pulling his normal 24-hour shifts. Um at Treasure Island Fire Rescue, every firefighter is also trained as a paramedic, ensuring the highest level of
care. Um, so that that is something good to uh just to know as we all get a little older and eat too many of the hamburgers and hamburger week here. We got we got some response to call. Um, our fire or
excuse me, our police chief, Chief John Barkley, was sworn as a third vice president of the Florida Police Chiefs Association, which means in three years you'll be the vice president of it. um that helps.
Like my third week here, we get a call from Senator uh Moody's office wanting to meet with us and the people they know in the building are our CDD director, our fire chief, and our police chief. So, and then, you know, shortly thereafter, our state representative marches in here with a million and a
half dollars and said, "Come back for some more." Um, so it it does it does take extra time on their part to participate in these things, but you talk about things that don't um the benefits to the city of Treasure Island
that don't go um directly on the backs of the advalorum taxpayers. We're receiving benefits from our people's exposure and professionalism and these things. Um, and I appreciate all three of you guys very much. Um really this whole staff that's sitting around the
back of the room ask a lot of them every day. They work hard, they stay late. Um and and you know, I just appreciate them. We do uh have uh sanding ovations. All of you guys probably know a lot more
about that than I do, but it's coming up this November. Um, and the festivals looking uh for the Tampa Bay Business uh association to join us um as sponsors. Uh seven days of live music, great food,
unique vendors, colorful kite festival, fireworks. Sounds like it'll be a great time. And my wife and I will get a new uh fun thing to do this fall. And that's it. Thank you. Any questions? >> Great. Thank you.
So now we'll move on to our presentation. >> No, Mike is just low. >> Remember, there's no reward for risk in government. We're letting the contract employee doing it. Here's
a mouse. If you need this, >> you want to use this. >> What am I doing? >> Hey In the interest of uh everybody making a bedtime tonight, I will I will proceed as uh efficiently as I possibly can. Uh
this is the third quarter uh effect. Um I'll just highlight the top line real quick. through June, uh, we had about $32 million in in revenues. Uh, the total
spend was about 24 million and I'm on the wrong page. Never mind. Here we are. So, 30 million topline, uh, 24 million on the spent side. So, we have a surplus of about $7.3 million. Um, and that is
uh about $24 million favorable to the budget and with everything that's happened this year, it's only about $400,000 behind last year. Um, so that's the top
line. I'm going to be drilling down a little bit more as we go through. Uh, flipping to here. I've got it. Page page two. Um this is um
same thing. Okay, sorry about that. Uh the general fund. Um it's we have to note that June was the last month that we will receive uh the advalorum.
As you might may or may not know, adalarmms are front front end loaded on the year. Bang. Bang, bang, big money, big money, big money. We got the last of it in June and we do show a favorable uh
actual to the budget, but we've got a budget delta because the budget was flatlined through the year. So, by the time we get to the end of the year, that variance is going to shrink. Um all the other negative variances are
primarily storm related. Um and then you can see down there that in June we had like uh $3.3 million in miscellaneous revenues and we know what that is from. Uh on the spending side, uh we're
favorable to budget, but basically the whole punchline on the spend side is that we haven't spent the capital against the budget. Okay, getting into some of the special funds, uh special reserves. I'll I'll
try to march through these things quickly. Um, the penny for penelis, pardon me, is a is a is a local option sales tax. Uh, we've got a year-to- date budget surplus of about $200,000.
Um, and again, revenues are above budget in last year, but the spend side is is favorable to budget again because of of capital. The same pretty much goes for uh the county gas tax. Uh we've got a
surplus of about $52,000. So not a lot of activity there one way or the other so far this year. >> Building fund. >> Do uh real quick, do we have any are we at risk of losing any of either the
penny for panelis or the county gas tax? No. >> Okay, good. Thank you. >> Um so the building fund, there's a lot of numbers here, but uh let me get to the punchline. Uh we're showing on the revenue side a negative amount because
of the refunds that we did. Um we will when everything is said and done, we'll have refunded about $4 and almost $480,000 back to uh back to the residents. And u
you can see down here the this the deficit is about $960,000 as we stand. So therefore that explains the $1.1 million that uh you approved uh
to fund uh to fund the building. >> Mike, on the building permits, uh it shows $98,000 negative so far through the first nine months. Yep. >> I understand it being being practically nothing because we
refunded seven months worth of permits >> refunded or we waved them. So I understand that but but but >> but even if you gave back 100% of what you collected it I mean the very worst case it should be zero not negative $98,000.
If you refunded 100% of the money you collected >> you'd be at zero. >> Provide a more detailed answer. Uh but suffice it to say that the driver was the refunds. >> No, no, I understand that. I just don't understand how it gone negative, especially and this is the other half of
that is that we did charge for permits in May and June. So there should have been, you know, >> and I and I took out a permit on May. >> We were refunding like like >> it doesn't it doesn't again you didn't refund any thing you didn't collect. So the refund should have washed out at
zero and then you have two months of of >> we didn't collect till June. >> What's that? >> We didn't collect till June. >> Okay. would still you still have one month of collecting revenue per permits and you well I actually that's not true cuz I took mine out on in May and a permit and I had to I had to uh pay for
permit fee then >> time I'll I'll prov I'll we can we can meet on bar and go I don't want to hold anybody out >> uh capital project fund which is the gulf beautifification which is essentially a reimbursement model
obviously we haven't done much uh with with respect to that this year although we are getting things teed up at the moment uh right now and into next year. That's basically the undergrounding project putting utility lines that type of thing under the ground.
uh the enterprise funds um these are self-contained funds. In other words, the revenues that that these funds uh receive uh through billing to uh the residents is supports
the not only the personnel but the operating activities but the but the capital requirements as well for each of these funds. Um the wastewater fund has a surplus year-to- date of about uh 1.4
million uh to uh favorable to budget. Uh I do want to note that in the budget for this year uh revenues were about a million and a million3 below budget and last year. I will note that the budget
called for revenues uh from an intergovern inter intergovernmental uh because we had budgeted a grant from the national environment environmental protection agency uh for $1.2 million uh
for the master pump station reconstruction. After we dug into it, uh we learned that uh the core of engineers as we speak is is evaluating the work that we have proposed to to get to get
the uh the funding for. But once we get approval, only then can we actually submit the the request for the grant. So in other words, it's unlikely that we're going to get any of that cash this year.
Um so consequently in the 26 budget we are not budgeting that because it's not in the bank and we cannot bank on it. Also this does not have anything to do with the the budget of the master pump station itself. It's already in the
capital budget for 5.2 or so million dollars that we've uh already saw. solid waste. Um, right now it's uh got a favorable favorability
surplus of about 300 and so $322,000. Um, and as everyone knows, we are assessing the outsourcing of this particular fund. Uh, storm water fund. Uh obviously that's for the discharge
pollutants and so forth. You do have a surplus of about uh call it a half a million dollars. Um and again a little unfavorable the prior year uh only because it received a $600,000 transfer
last year from uh from the general fund. So fund balance summary. Um this is a lot here but essentially what uh we're I'm trying to show here is that there's the notion of what's restricted, what
have we allocated, how much free uh fund balance do we have. So let me just focus on the general fund right now. You've got assets of about 28 million, liabilities of about 610,000
and then we have equity which is essentially all of the fund balances. So we have non-spendable, we have restricted, we have committed and we have assigned. All that rolls up to about $7 million. And so unassigned fund
balance for the general fund is about $10 million. So it's not exactly a reserve, but it's a rough proxy, but that's and and we had that fund by fund by fund by fund.
And then lastly, my friend cash cash is king. Um, right now, uh, we have about almost $21 million in ready cash between the
checking and the money market. So, cash on the barrel head. And when we began this fiscal year, I think when I walked in, we had about I think about 16 to 17 million. So, from the day I walked in to
not that I'm taking credit, but since I walked in to where we are now, the cash balances are higher for a variety of reasons. Um, and then and in the investment accounts, which are essentially uh treasury bills and and
such, no risk treasury bills. So, we're not putting the people's cash at risk at all. Um, we have about uh a little over $18 million and right now we're we have about six and a half million in
incumbrances, little a little accounts payable that's always out there and then normally we have about a million dollars a year uh in debt service. So those are roughly the OB uh the obligations but again I
would refer back to the previous slide where we discussed the the uncommitted uh balances by plan any questions I've sent you 11 questions on I know you had answers so I'm not going to hold
everybody else up for that just just uh let me take a look at that. I appreciate it. Thank you. >> Yes sir. All right. Well, thank you, Mike. Does anybody have any questions? >> Was it fast enough? >> All right. >> Do we have any public comment?
Hearing none, we'll close public comment and we will adjourn the workshop.