Good afternoon and welcome to the commission workshop for October 21st, 2025. I'd like to call this meeting to order. And uh our first item of business is the pledge of allegiance. Would you please stand?
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. So, if uh people would like
to speak, you need to fill out a card and have it to the city clerk by 5:15, if you would please. And we're going to start out with uh we only have two items tonight. We're going to start out with the first item, which is to authorize the city manager to
purchase a new street sweeper for 40 $400,950 using the sheriff's association cooperative purchasing program. and Gary, if you would please. >> Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners. Gary Volen, public works
director. I've been asked to give a a brief, uh, overview on what, uh, we're looking at as far as a new sweep, a street sweeping program for the city of Treasure Island. Um, why do we sweep our streets? Well, first of all, there's a requirement per our storm water permit,
our national pollution discharge elimination system permit that requires us to perform this periodically within our our our environment. We also provide water quality testing through a joint agreement with the county for the our nearshore waters. So, so that's something that's a part of our our MPDS
permit. But the other reason is to it keeps sand and trash out of our our storm drains. uh keeps it from clogging up uh uh capacity and pipes and things, but also getting out into our waterways. So, it's uh uh that's that's the base
uh base of the program. Um currently, what we do is we have an outsource uh vendor. They provide a once a month sweeping of the streets. We pay approximately $25,000 to perform the service. And it's the system is a brush
type. It's a rotary brush and it has a pan and it pushes the sand into a pan and it collects it. Um, it's funny because I think the first week I was on the job, I got a call from an iate citizen complaining about the street sweeper creating a mess and he's draining dripping oil all over the place
and I'm I'm like, "No, this can't be." And and I sent somebody out there to take a look at it and it's true. It was it was it was a mess. Um I've also gotten videos from uh from residents showing how poor or a job we we are doing with with our system. So um that
that's was in the back of my head in in my mind in terms of you know what could we do how can we improve things here on the island. Um so what we we came up with working with staff we developed we would purchase a new sweeper. Um we have existing staff that have the licenses to
drive it. um they previously were backfilling for our solid waste drivers when they were sick or on vacation. So, we have the capability to drive the truck, but we're looking at having a more robust robust program. We're looking at a four times a month sweeping
of every street. That's 59 miles of roadway we have here. And we have the capacity to do it. We will do it at the correct speeds so it actually works. If you go too fast, it doesn't pick it up. So, we but we've gone ahead and looked at at our island. We looked at our street program and uh and and that's
what we're proposing. Um this is the the actual vehicle that we're we're we're talking about. It's a it's I mentioned earlier we have a brush sweeper doing the work. This is what's called a regenerative air vacuum sweeper. Now the the vacuum it's pretty obvious. It it al
it has brushes but it it actually picks the sand up through using like a vacuum cleaner. So it it does brush and vacuum. But the regenerative part is if if you when you're vacuuming your house or using a a shop vac, the exhaust comes blasting out. Well, this actually
reroutes it within the system to minimize the amount of dust and things that could that can exit the facility, the vehicle. It's an expensive it's an expensive uh uh vehicle, but it is the top of the line for our our our needs. Another key
part is it has a large hopper, but the hopper is made of stainless steel. We researched other coastal communities and actually looked at vehicles at different locations. Um, one of the problems is that the pans will rust out. The sand collects a little bit of salt with it
and over time it just it it it just sits in the bottom there. Even though you flush it out, it it can it can uh deteriorate the the pan. We had a lot of problems with our dumpsters and things with that sort of thing. Um, so so it's got stainless steel hopper and then it's got a fan system that's that's
supposedly the quietest in the industry. So, it's not only quieter for the driver sitting there all day with it, but but also for community. It's a little quieter vehicle. So, so this is the it's it's called the Schwarz A7 Tornado, and that's that's the the vehicle that we're looking at implementing. Um, okay. Cost
comparison. Um, there's a lot of information here. I'll try and explain it briefly, but bear with me. Okay. We are proposing a four times a month program. What I did was I talked with our finance
director and the cost of the vehicle, we're going to depreciate it over five years. So for the first five years of the operations, we're going to be putting the cost of the vehicle into the the the program. So the $122,000,
we've got labor and expenses and vehicle costs are in the first five years. That's what we'd be looking at as a program. But what does the program give us? We looked at what we spend annually. We have our budgets for storm pipe
cleaning and we took we we are just assuming a I think a conservative number of 30% efficiency in getting more sand out of the pipes to begin with so we don't have to vacuum them out and clean them out. So we see a labor savings
approximately $80,000. That's 30% of the budget there just for the pipe cleaning. the the the next line, the 42,400. I'm I'm adding the two together. I'm saying for the first the first five years, if we add the the costs and the savings, it's a cost to the there's a cost of
$42,400 to the city. But the savings by not having to do as much cleaning of the pipes, it it it it u over uh years 6 through 10, we're saving $37,600.
the the truck itself is a 10-year truck minimum. That's so we're looking at a a 10-year life cycle. The first five years, we're we're paying for the truck in this analysis. I could stretched it out over the full 10 years and made the numbers look a little closer, but the
thing is when we compare to the an outsourced program, the company that currently provides our street sweeping, they can give us a a a vacuum truck system, but to provide it, it's more expensive. and to provide a four times a
month uh comparison. There's it's a seven-year break even. We're it at that point in time we're we're ahead of the game. So, it's it's a long program. It is not cheap. It is going to cost us some money over time. It would come from our storm water fund uh the operations
of it, but in the long run, it saves us money and then any all the money that we save years 6 through 10 will be going back to our storm water operations. What do we get for all this? Well, we're going to lessen our storm pipe cleaning. That means we have improved drainage. We
won't have as as as much of the pipes are are are clogged with sand and things. It also allows our staff to clean the outfalls. We get a lot of marine growth. We have a machine that goes through the pipes to actually clean oysters and things out of the pipes, seaw walls, things of that nature.
Allows us to address other items with our current, you know, staffing. Um, reduces the wear and tear on our streets. Believe it or not, sand um even even when it's it's barely noticeable, you you're it's like sandpaper on your streets all the time. If we keep that off the streets, it actually enhances
the life of our of our asphalt. It helps to be everybody likes a nice community, clean streets. It picks up not only sand, but it'll pick up little trash and things, straws and things that get out in the gutter. So, it it'll be beautify our community. In the event of a storm, we have an a a
a machine that we can dedicate just to our streets to help clean them up. Once we get the back hose in and get sand removed, we can still we can sweep them up and clean them using this piece of equipment. So, uh and then the last thing I'm I just going back to the beginning of the project, we have our
NPDS requirements. So, it's it is a requirement for us to provide these uh these services. So, I I hope I've I've answered, you know, some of the questions. I know I got into a lot of things. I went fairly quickly, but you know, I'd like to, you know, entertain any questions that you might have.
>> I don't know that I actually have any questions, but I'll tell you what, I uh followed uh the street sweeper uh several weeks ago, and it was down in Sunset. And uh I'll tell you what, what happened was the the sand that was in the street ended up in everybody's
driveway and everybody's front lawn. Um and at that, you know, that just isn't going to beautify anything. nothing was taken out of the the market. So, uh it's just pushing it all over the place. So, for that reason alone, you know, I uh I
I I think this is a great idea. Yes, it's an expensive uh piece of equipment. Uh but once again, beautifying and getting things back to normaly needs to take place. >> I I appreciate that. And our staff, I mean, we have some very good mechanics. We'll keep this thing looking good.
We'll keep it running well for the community. I think uh I I you know I I do would like your support, but it's your ultimate decision. >> And I would I would chime in behind John on what he said. Um it's funny. I think one of the first emails I got when I was sworn in was about the street sweeper
because the guy flies down the road and literally the sand and dust goes everywhere because it doesn't have a vacuum. And one of the first questions when we started talking about this that I ask is does it have a vacuum? because it I get a lot of complaints about that.
And one thing I'd like to add just as a side note if everything goes through with this. Um I also have heard a uh several people that have the black curb um things that so their cars that are low, they don't rub on the bottom that
this street sweeper just they end up two doors down. Um, is there any possibility being that they're our employee instead of outsource that we can just make sure that they're careful about that because I have and I guess those things are really heavy. Um, I don't know what
they're called, but they're the black >> bridges. >> Bridges you're you're talking about. It sort of it helps at the curb to be inclined a little bit >> and you you want you propose you like >> Well, I'm just asking I've had several people say that the current street
sweeper, which it's outsourced, so he's just flying down the road, um that he hits them and it pushes them one to two doors down sometimes. And is there any way being that it's our employee, they can just kind of be a little cautious about that? That's just a side note on it. I love the idea. Well, it's funny
because I I watched a YouTube video of this in operation and it's actually got you got this rotary brush and it's up against the curb and if something like that occurs, it can slide they can actually control it to come in and and bypass it and then come back out. If we
have cones along the side of the road, you can pull the brush out of the way so the truck can stay straight but it missed the cones or in this case those driveway bridges. >> Wonderful. Thank you. So, my curb bridges are about 150 lbs each. They're connected together, so
like 300 lbish. Uh, I have to drag it across my driveway. But, uh, how would the sweeper uh the sweeper uh interact with the curb uh with the rubber curb? >> Well, well, as I mentioned, it'll follow if if you got a concrete upright curb,
it'll follow that and clean the gutter. But if there's something that kind of a bridge or something like that >> the rubber bridges the he can drive along the the the broom the let me just maybe it shows in that photo a little bit. >> Um
>> well you see you see that it's got kind of receded right now. The see the the rotary brush at the bottom there midway in the truck that actually sticks out beyond the wheel path. So it's actually pulling you know again from from the gutter itself. um that will just be
pulled in. The the tires would would the tire path would stay off the bridge and the brush would be out of the way. Also, >> would it vacuum the debris among the curb? Because the vacuum, I guess, is behind the brush, right? >> I'm not saying it's going to catch everything. It's going to be probably an
impediment. We're not a huge fan of those bridges because they do tend to stop the flow of storm water along the curb line and they do collect sand and grit and leaves and things. So, but I mean, we'll we'll work with it. I've seen I've seen some instances where they
they they have a second person if there's some areas they'll have a leaf blower to kind of go ahead and just kind of blow that out a little bit away from the curb so that it'll be under the path of the uh brushes. >> Thank you, >> Gary. Go ahead.
>> Um, so yeah, I I had talked to Victor and I my question was if this was in the budget and he said it was not. Um, but apparently uh we've got some money that we sold our old trash trucks or something. Is that the plan to kind of use with this or
>> Well, we we received from Waste Pro when they um they took over the outsourcing of our solid waste program. We received $385,000 for the the uh used vehicles that we had. And so we we were thinking that
that money uh could be I mean Victor can talk more on this, but but that money would be sort of reprogrammed for this vehicle. >> Yeah, I think we'd still need to make a uh an adjustment budget uh you know,
moving forward and uh Yep. >> Sounds like it would be small though. it. Well, it it's basically this $400,000 and that adjustment would be the $400,000, but we wouldn't be paying for for the the trucks, new trucks,
which were in the budget and um it's the money that we actually sold our vehicles for. >> So, >> so basically the budget amendment will be for 400,000 increasing, but uh the money that we got from the trucks is right right now sitting on the
solidways. So, at some point in January, I'm going to do another budget amendment just to move the money that is left in solid waste to to the general fund or or storm water. So, at the end of the day, it's going to just match. It's going to be like a $15,000 transaction.
>> Really only $15,000 >> is what you're saying. Yeah. >> Okay. All right. The Could you go back to the slide that you had a somewhat of a P&L up there? Yeah, that one right there. uh you you you're not showing any
at least that I can see any savings from uh not having to outsource anymore. So that's 25,000 a year I think you said is what we paid for to have this done now. >> Well, I was I I compared these to a the
same kind of program four times a a month. If we if we wanted to say with the same outsourcing, it only be $25,000, >> right? Month, >> right? You know, I I I believe this is an unacceptable program right now. >> Oh, no. I I again, I I'm join the rest
of my colleagues here. I think what we're doing right now is is worse than uh doing nothing at all. It just moves sand around and and my neighbors complain every time that street sweeper comes by there, we go have to go back out and clean the sweet the streets up
after they after they leave. So, I'm glad that to see us doing this. But anyway, I the way I'm looking at it, if this cost us the first uh four years 42,400, I think you got to back the 25,000 out. Uh so it really is a net of
$17,000 a year more than what we're paying right now. >> That's that's correct. Yes. Yes. >> Okay. I think it's an excellent project. Uh and I'm really glad to hear that we've got that uh $385,000 uh from the equipment that was sold to to basically pay for this
Great. We do have one uh public comment. Diane CrarAl. >> Good afternoon, Diana CrarAel, District 2. I have to admit I had my critical thinking skills out when I started this and part of it was that we weren't listening to the residents. We needed
transparency because we weren't seeing this information before the presentation now. So, please take that in consideration that we didn't have that before this briefing. I definitely agree with the street sweeping because it's
not adequate now. Matter of fact, I get more than what I had previously. But I also see a major problem especially with all the construction contractors that we have around. They are dragging just from the mud and stuff from the lots that
they're working on out into the street and then we have it in the street and it sometimes it doesn't even come to the gutter and stuff. And I guess I think we need to be looking at what can we do for an enforcement to these contractors that they clean up a little bit more around
where they're at, especially if they're in there and it's been muddy. Not that we've seen much rain lately, but you know, they have some responsibilities, I think, for keeping that that dirt and debris into there because I've had two
houses torn down across the street from me. And the one was far worse than the other. Um, but anyway, I think I think we need to maybe address that aspect of it. And also what has happened to
residents taking pride in their own property. I get out and I sweep my gutter several times a year. It needs to be done now. I haven't been out there so it looks like the Dickens. But anyway, I do do that. And when we had the hurricanes
and the debris that was out there, I was sweeping from the middle of the road back just to try to cut down on the dust that was going around. It's a miracle on what all we can do if just everybody took care of their own residents a lot of times. So I think taking pride in
your own property can also help going more to the root cause of things. The other thing is our third party yarn yard maintenance people and residents. I I'm not going to put it all on the yarn yard
people. They blow their grass clippings and stuff out into the to the street. That is against all of our codes. You're supposed to be blowing it back into your own yard. So, I think we need some things of getting to the root cause
analysis of why we have a lot of the debris in our areas to start out with. Um, so, and like I said, I wanted to see a cost versus benefit. We got a little bit of it here, but not to be able to do
a deep dive analysis on how it's going because as we can see right now, it takes us several years before we break even. So, I do think it's a good idea. I think it's a better piece of equipment. Um,
thank you. >> All right. I uh I think that uh what I'm hearing is that we do have a consensus to move forward and uh so with that being said, we're going to move on to our second item of the evening. >> Not have to direct staff to do anything.
>> Um I would understand I would be putting this on the agenda for November 4th so you can actually take action on it. It was on a agenda. We backed it up to a workshop. So pretty much all the elements that you saw in the reading of the item on the workshop is exactly how
I would think you would see it on November 4th to actually vote on it. >> Yeah, I think that uh it this is when we take a look at here B. It's it's basically what we read was authorizing the city manager to do that. that that'll give the financial analysis and
the public do notice to look at that and contact y'all if they >> and it since it's a piggyback contract obviously the uh the RFP process is um avoided through the piggybacking with another government contract and so it'
be two things a budget amendment and then uh the piggybacking contract and those would both ultimately have to be voted on by majority of the board >> okay so I I think we're taken care of. Moving on. Uh master plan discussion.
>> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners. Um so there's been a lot of discussion of late on a master plan for our city. Um, I've had input from some of the
commissioners, some of the public, um, and and different folks on this. And our economic development, uh, director, um, helped me put these slides together, actually put these slides together. Anytime you can see PowerPoint, you can almost bet that I didn't really do it.
Okay. So, what we do have, every city in Florida's required to have a comp plan. You that's kind of like a 20-year roadmap, very high level framework. Um,
you update those every seven years. Um, our current comp plan was adopted in 2024. Um, and the key focus areas are listed there at the bottom of the slide. So to go from those items, what what
would a master plan do? Well, it's more of a 10-year horizon look. Um, we've had other plans and I I think uh a little education in terms is important.
A comp plan does not constitute a master plan. We've had uh downtown plans. We've had watershed, mobility, and parks plans, but we haven't really put it all together and filled in those gaps. So, this is not a another layer. This is
filling in the rest of a layer to have an actual master plan that would um let you, the commission, um take input from citizens and all stakeholders and give your staff clear direction. Um, you can
see a few bullet points on what's included there at the bottom. If we do this well, a city-wide master plan uh solves for better integrated planning moving through the next 10 years, and it would be the first one of
its kind um in the completeness of it for the city of Treasure Island. Um, so there's been many, many plans that I've seen and I've seen some beautiful renderings. Um, I haven't seen uh the
execution thereof and we'd want to bring all this together. Um, so just in a nutshell how it would work. Um, and I'm not a master planner. Um, but I've heard an that there is an
appetite for a consultant to facilitate this. Um, if you choose to bring on a consultant, there would be the executive leadership team here made up of city staff and other technical experts. Uh, we'd
collaborate with our residents, all stakeholders. Uh, changes to LDRs, land development regulations would be made by uh, the local planning agency and then come before the city commission. if if whatever the plan was changed some of
our addition our uh standing ordinances and planning agency guidance and then uh the governance would be under my supervision. Um I've heard we don't want a slow government bureaucratic process. We want
to put our foot on the gas and move it forward. Um, we have a aspirational goal there to bring it to a treasure island near you next July. Um, and I think it could have a lot of positive outcomes.
I'm not pushing this city commission to do this or not do this. I think now is the time to do it if you're going to do something like this. Um, and so, Mr. Mayor, unless there's questions of me or questions that pop up, you can direct
them to me. Um I'll let you uh bring it back to the dis to discuss how you would like uh you and your colleagues like us to move forward. >> Okay. Thank you. So let's uh let's bring it back here. Um you know I've been on
the commission and in either commissioner or or mayor now for about six years. Um during those six years I have seen more than my share of studies. We've paid for a lot of them. um a lot of the the studies that which never were
enacted um I mean we're talking millions of dollars um not not not small potatoes um and so I I guess that what we're asking for is um I none of us are master planners and nobody on our staff is a
master planner but there are uh plenty of folks out there that are master planners um and um matter of fact we we mentioned one couple meetings ago um a guy named
uh Jim Brainard um and then that's what he basically is he was a mayor for 28 years and you know the whole bit but uh but we basically had um some help from some folks that uh that basically took and looked at over the master planners
that are out there and ranked them and uh did a pretty extensive uh research on uh on all of them. Um and there were, you know, that five of those that popped to the top and uh and so that uh I know
that I've had, you know, some feel for what those five were and how they were and I've heard their names before for for doing all sorts of development uh in in cities and that. So, um, you know, I think that we're at a point that we need
to pull together all of those old studies that are out there cuz a lot of them are still valid. I mean, communications, uh, and transportation and and everything else to be looking at um, work with a a master planner. Uh,
and basically he would be kind of the ring leader if you were in the circus. Um and he makes sure that everything is is put together very well. Um weaknesses, strengths, everything else. And then what happens is that they go
out to the the marketplace itself and pull all of the experts, whether it be in architecture, whether it be in finance, whether it be in civil engineering, and they pull all of that together. And I think that, you know, from the the community standpoint, the
uh the architecture is probably one of the most important, you know, that uh that we we want to have a look and a feel that makes sense. Now, we're not going to be able to knock down all the buildings that are still still here today. So, you know, we're we're uh we
we can only do so much, but I think that is something that we can really pull together uh and get the community to to have a feel. Do you want a Victorian feel? Do you want, you know, a 1930s feel? And and and that's really what I think a lot of it is about. Um and and
and one of the other big parts of it is that uh we need an economic plan. How are we going to pay for this? How are you know the uh our our businesses uh and land owners, how are they going to pay for this? Uh so that uh we're
working very hard to make sure that um we we come out after it'll be multiple years. This isn't going to happen in 3 months, 6 months, nine months. It's going to be multiple years, but that everything is is rolling along as we do
it. One of the items that I'll I'll point out is um in 23 2023 there was uh the transportation study that was done and what they wanted to have see happen
was they wanted to take the two lanes in on 107th two lanes each direction and take it down to one lane in each direction and that basically got shot down one evening uh you know and just uh so it was it was It was that easy. It
was over. Uh we're going to have two lanes each direction. But uh you know, some of that does play into the architecture, the feel that that everybody wants. And I think that there are some pieces that that still are in the LDRs that basically say, you know,
that we're going to have the buildings right up on 107th. Um and that I don't I I don't know. Personally, I don't see that as a good feel, but uh you know that uh the others might, but uh so I'll
be quiet now and uh and I'll let the others uh share their feelings as well. >> Mayor, what at what point in time will we take the public comment? Um I'd like to hear some of the public comment on this subject. >> Um if we will, let's get out anything
you'd like to say now before the public comment and we'll uh we'll take the public comment right after. Okay. Uh I concur. I think we do need a master development plan. Uh especially in lie of the uh issues about heightened density that we're dealing with right
now. I and I like the timeline. I wish it I wish we'd have done this 6 to9 months ago. So we had this before we we had the discussions about the heightened density. Uh uh so this kind of flows right in with I guess the the some of
the other things that we're talking about doing. So I I agree we need to do this. I agreed we don't have the expertise either inhouse or or you know anybody on the commission or staff has the expertise to do this. So I like very much the idea of going out with somebody
who knows who's done this before and and uh and knows how to do it. So uh I I agree with uh all of that completely. I do want to talk a little bit at some point in time about what the cost might be, but at this point just uh uh generally I'm in in agreement that we
should do this. >> Um yeah, I agree with what you two guys said. I want to add a few more things to that if possible. Um we you look around our town and you John, you talked about how we've had I don't know how many team plans over the years and nothing's been
built. Um I I I brought up, you know, a few meetings ago that we don't we haven't done one public private partnership, I don't think, in this town. Um and you know, some of the people we've talked to have done upwards of 80 public private
partnerships. Um so I think that I personally want as much development as possible as fast as possible. And you know, I think we've seen over our town here in the last, you know, couple of
months that heightened density is definitely a controversial topic. I'm not going to argue about what percent of the population wants what, you know, is concerned about that in one aren't. But, you know, I think what really
misses the mark is when we say, you know, if we don't pass, you know, the 50 the, you know, the 50 heightened density, you know, rule, then you all you you don't want you don't want any development. You just want parking lots and you and you don't want and and you
want, you know, everything to be barren. And I just I wholeheartedly disagree with that because I feel like if we were to bring in someone like, you know, Jim Brainer that you brought down here, I'd be willing to bet my life savings that in 5 years we would have five times the
amount of development that we do if we don't. and and you know I also think he's a compromise be or someone like him would be a compromise because you know I think you've seen in the history of this town that if the
heightened density passes people are going to sue the town and I don't know I'm not going to say that any of those lawsuits are going to be successful but the question is how long will they drag out any of the development and I think that with Jim or someone like him that comes in and says I can do this at 50
over one and I can bring in a ton of development. There's your compromise right there. And hopefully we could get started very quickly. And I'll be honest, for me, the heightened density thing is not really the main bonus with someone like him.
It's the fact that he's going to be able to bring in top designers, top financial people, and top architects, and he's going to draw development because there's people that want to work with him. I mean, the guy just was in England
giving a speech on on on this to to to with and um King Charles was in attendance and now he's in Dubai. So he he he's not just wanted in the United States. The guy's wanted around the world and we're actually lucky that he would want to come down and work. And
and so I also think there's a lot of um there's a lot of um you know want to help our current local developers and things. And I personally believe that if Jim starts bringing in tons of um you
know developers that want to do really nice things here, you know, he's known for green spaces, walking paths, making the whole thing walking integrated parking that it's just going to make our own local developers stuff worth more. Um and so and then the other thing I
just want to say and then I'll stop is that you know I hear a lot of times well you don't want to pay we don't want to pay for consultants. We everyone complains about how we've paid for consultants. All you have to do is look at the Florida CRA regs, which is
basically a tiff program. Um, which number one, it provides tax incentives to to the to the builder to build. And instead of us getting our 3% taxes off of those builds, we get like 10. So, and
and all you have to do is read those regs and it says that those extra funds we get can be used to pay. So, it it's not going to cost us anything um to do this. So, I I I just see it as a real compromise, but I also see it as
a compromise that will get us more development much much much faster. And, you know, that that's what I want. I I want development here. I've said that from day one. And so, I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that
bring someone like that in, you're going to have a nicer looking town and you're going to have way more development 5 years from now than if you don't. >> So, I'll basically say the same thing I said the last time this was brought up is I'm not opposed to a um master
planner. I'm not. That has never been my thing. What I was opposed to was picking one person that gave a 15minute with no interview, no nothing. Um, not opening up something to an RFQ or an RFP. Um, so
that we can see who's out there and he applies and he's the best one for the job. Awesome. It's I said it then and I'll say it now. It's never been a personal thing. I don't know the man, so it can't be personal. Um, but to just
pick somebody who came in for 15 minutes and surprised us by making a quick presentation. Um, you know, I think that's irresponsible as well where having other people apply that we can interview, look
at pricing. We don't know what a good deal or a bad deal is because if you just have one, then we don't know. Um, and again, if he's the best, he's the best. The other thing that concerns me is we are, um, the Thunderbird,
you know. Um, I am definitely not for putting them on hold for 20 ft. It has to come back to the PNZ. It has to come back to the commission once they submit plans anyway. Um, it's 20 ft.
and to have them after the, you know, work we've all done um in researching all of that that they've done um hearing from the constituents of how bad everybody wants the Thunderbird
back. Um what I'm not for is because >> what >> can I please speak? >> Thank you. What I don't want is for everything to go on hold. And that's my only fear is
that we um we put absolutely everything on hold. And that's just something I think we all need to take into consideration. Again, everything else that was said, you know, I'm I'm not going to argue with it that I said the
same thing I said that particular day. I don't think we go with one person who came in for 15 minutes. I think that's something that has to Well, I think by law we have to open that up for the price tag um to RFP or RFQ. I believe
it's RFP, but um for that particular um type thing, but um so that is those are my concerns. I've never ever been opposed to it. Never said I was opposed to it. I was just opposed to the way it
was being done. And again, my fear was um that we just halt everything because no matter what we all say 6 to9 months, our goal is July, which would be awesome. June would be even better, but
realistically that could be October. It could be a year. And that's just something we all have to keep in mind. um as well. Do it coinciding knowing that everything has to come back to us for approval anyway
and we can kick it back at any time. That's that's one thing. But putting everything on hold, that's that's a fear for me. So, um we have this uh community planning overview. Um that's public
record. Uh, there's 37 active community planning projects in here dating back from 2006. Um, I have I had 12 questions. Now it's nine. Um, the price I was given uh for
Jim's uh proposal was 475,000. Um, I think it's a colossal waste of money. We'll just add it to number 38 and nothing will be implemented. And I like to take that bet uh for your life savings. That'd be we could add
that to the budget. Um so I mean I want to hear from the public before I ask my questions to city staff and Charles. So all right. So I think everybody's had an opportunity. So let's uh let's go to uh
the community uh comments. And uh what I would like to do is uh is give uh the chairman of the PNZ and LPA uh an opportunity to come up and speak first.
Richard Harris. Good afternoon, commissioners, mayor Richard Harris, 374 Bay Plaza, and also chairman of the planning and zoning board and registered professional engineer. Uh, master plans are great. I've seen a lot of them in my career.
You know, that gives you a great outline of what goes where and to what degree. I mean, you know, every uh city I've worked on many uh the one thing that I want to make sure of and I kind of uh agree with uh I believe some of the commissioners sentiments is the land
development regulations. We just completed phase one and I think yeah we're going forward to the various readings on phase one. We have a joint meeting on phase two come Monday to talk about uh going forward with that. I feel
that that uh keeping that rolling is very important. The thing about the city of Treasure Island, it's very simple. You have 11 zoning districts. The four islands or the four residential areas, Capri, Palms, Paradise, and Sunset Beach
really won't be affected much by a master plan. You're not going to go in there and start tearing down houses or or uh making massive changes. There will be a few changes. I mean, obviously we need to do something with the yach club.
That's an RM 15 district. Obviously, we need to do something with Treasure Bay. That's recreation open space. But by and large, the districts that will change are the
commercial district, the resort facilities high district, the resort facilities medium district, and the two planned redevelopment districts in downtown. You know, the LDRs give a good guideline, a rule book of how people
need to redevelop these pieces of property. I've talked a lot to the various owners of uh the major portions u of the of the uh undeveloped lands downtown the gators property and I feel that we ought to go forward with the uh
phase two of the LDRs and especially come up with the idea of even more zoning districts than what currently exist. In my career, we had something called the PD, plan development. And what it was was you came in and said,
"This is what I want to build." And as long, and I did a lot of them in down in Lee County, as long as you didn't come in with something really crazy like a 20s story building or something absolutely insane, but something with a good design,
nice landscaping, something that we could be proud of. it was approved and the better the higher the detail on that plan development the better. When I was doing them in Lee County, they came in and said, "You're actually going to build this project." And I said, "I'm going to build it exactly what's on that
piece of paper." And by and large, they all got approved. And that's what this city needs to see. I'd love to see a uh plan development type zoning for the Gator property. We kind of have a uh a plan redevelopment type zoning for the
downtown areas. Trouble with those are they were developed uh in 2006. Obviously that uh downtown redevelopment plan failed pretty miserably because nobody ever wanted to do anything with it. Uh it needs to be looked at because
it's now 19 years old and come up with something that uh is a little bit better. get rid of the idea of the canyon effect. We all see what's going on up in Mader Beach on the north side of the Tom Stewart Causeway. Not can't
say that I'm a big fan because it does look like a canyon. I like setbacks and that's what we need to encourage and that's what a plan development ordinance would do. >> Thank you. Would you please wrap up another maybe 10 seconds or so? >> I got it, Jeff. >> All righty. Thanks. But, you know, the
biggest thing is is uh let's move forward with the LDRs and bring this city back from uh the pre precipice it's currently sitting on because uh as you drive around, we want to have a city again that we can all be proud of and we
need to do it sooner than later. Thank you. >> Thank you, Richard. and as well uh Chris Downing also a member of our LPA and our PNZ. >> Afternoon everyone. Um Chris Downing,
Idle Palms and as you just mentioned member of PNZ and LPA. Uh just want to applaud you on having this discussion this evening and getting this moving. All of us have talked about it for almost a more nearly a year if not before that. So, I'm really glad to see
this get started. I know it's going to take some time to actually implement, but it's actually the most important thing that we can do because if we go forward without a plan, we're all going to make mistakes and we have opportunity with what has happened,
essentially a blank pallet to work with to improve the downtown. So part you know Richard mentioned that you know it's certain areas need more help than others and I agree with him on that and I also agree with him that some of the work on the LDRs can move forward parallel to this doesn't have to stop
just because of that work going on and approval of some of the things that make sense under those but the area along 108 where we have or 107th where we have the waterfront area and we can do something better on a public private partnership
as Chris Clark mentioned in terms of the financial side of this. Having a master plan that will include the economic part of it is so important. It's not we're, you know, Commissioner Sesan, you mentioned how many studies have been done. I agree that's generally what
happens with studies if you don't have money behind it. There's money behind having a master plan if you have an economic study to go with the e the economics to go with it. And there's enough developers out there that would be a part of this and would be welcome to do public private partnerships with
us to create a better city. So again, I won't take any more time. I but I would like to as a part of this maybe see a pedestrian bridge over to our great boardwalk that we have to connect the downtown. That's another reason to have this plan. It maybe even could be incorporated with what we do with um you
know the Thunderbird, but I don't want to move ahead too fast with that. so that we could actually have some land, you know, maybe a swap in order to make that happen. Um, that's just one very small aspect of a of what a master plan would be for. Again, thank you. >> Thank you, Chris. Sarah Pennington.
>> Good evening, Sarah Pennington, Isle of Palms. Um, I get the feeling that there might be some decent consensus here tonight, so I'm going to keep my comments very short. Um, but a couple things that I wanted to point out is that
um, in my opinion, I think it is worth putting Thunderbird on hold for 6 to9 months when we're talking about development of our entire town that affects the entire town for the entire future. So, I know it might be hard for them to be on hold for 6 to9 months, but
I think it's worth it because we really need to step back and think about what are we doing? We put the cart before the horse when we tried to change these land development regulations for the Thunderbird. Not only is that totally irresponsible, but we're also trying to
pretend that it's just for the Thunderbird, even though it's the entire resort facilities high district. And then we're trying to pretend that, oh, different people will come in and we're going to turn them down to build at that max density, which by the way, I found out is 50 to 60% higher than what we
already have in St. Pete Beach. So, I think we've just totally gone off the rails and the wrong direction and the master plan would be a really great way to reset and make sure that we do this correctly. Thanks. >> Thank you, Sarah. West Evans.
>> West Evans, Isa Palms. Um, I think if uh you're worried about the Thunderbird being put on hold uh for 6 to9 months, uh the Thunderbird will end up getting put on hold for longer than that if we rush through with the change
to the LDR because we're going to be caught up in litigation. It's going to put everything on hold. If we do this, we're doing it the right way. uh this thing with uh looking for other people to come in and work on it. That's like,
yeah, we could see what minor league players are out there, but we have Wayne Gretzky standing at our bench ready to get on the ice, so why don't we do what we know? We have the allstar waiting, the guy who the most wanted man in America to do this. Um, and it's like
Richard Harris said, uh, this doesn't just affect the Thunderbird, it affects several districts. Uh, so it's not just about the Thunderbird. If you want to do something just for the Thunderbird, I would be all for that. I think everyone in this room, we love the Thunderbird,
but it affects more than just the Thunderbird. Thank you. >> Thank you, Christa. >> Tell Tammy to come with me. She's just afraid she's gonna run out of time. >> All right. Um, no, honestly, I'm not
going to talk long. I have to commend you guys. Where's Joan? She He said he didn't do the presentation, but we know you did the presentation. Um, we are really happy. I do believe that this is the right moment to go forth with
something like this. I do the why I want to speak is because I want to just address a couple of things that we heard. Um Arthur, you said that the proposal was $400 something thousand dollars. It's actually the trade budget. So it's actually not $400,000.
The investment in the consultant is much less and it's the budget for the trades to put together the plan. And another thing is when you have the economics tied to the proposal, it ultimately ends up paying for itself. So, if we spent
the time, I think it was Gary, Gary saves us millions of dollars. If we put together the economic study of what this actually did, which I think would take us too long. It would actually take 5 days when we know it's going to work. This is a 10 to 20 year investment. And ultimately, a lot a lot of things happen
happen. Our property values are going to raise. Our taxes are going to stay stable. We're going to have an amazing high uh development doesn't mean high density. So we could have amazing development and with that have this
amazing place to live where it puts residents first and I feel like tonight you're really putting residents first. So thank you for listening to that. Um and safer streets. I haven't heard anything about how this should be a walking community and we could have I
think I don't know who just spoke but we could connect Publix to the downtown which connects to a back path and it could go all around the island. It's just about the permission to pause and building this the right way. And I do have to say I don't know if we have to
delay the Thunderbird nine months, but if we hire the right person tomorrow, it could be part of the special projects of which we address because I think Richard's right. We need more LDR. Like I I mean that's his technical specialty, but it's none of us to decide. That's what the experts are here to decide.
Okay. Thank you. >> You? >> I'm good. I just wanted to say thank you. I think this is great and I think everybody's excited for the future and I was just here just to make sure she didn't run over and talk. >> Thank you, Tammy. I appreciate it.
>> Kim Nemis, thank you. >> Kim Sneemis, is of Capri. My husband and I My husband Don and I have lived Let me start over. My husband Don and I lived in Indianapolis,
Indiana for 36 years. I am here to summarize a letter from my husband Don Nemesis to city leadership. We support hiring Jim Brainard to advise city leadership on smart city planning, environmental conservation, economic
development, traffic management, and municipal finance. Jim was one of our country's preeminent mayors for 28 years. Treasure Island will greatly benefit from his expertise. We are full-time residents of Treasure Island
living in Isle of Capri. Don serves as chair of Treasure Island's code enforcement board. My husband Don knows Jim Brainard well. My husband uh practiced law in Indianapolis for 36 years and our family spent a lot of time in Carmel, Indiana. Don met Jim Brainard
in the early 1990s, saw him elected mayor, and watched the city of Carmel grow and prosper under his leadership. Jim hired Don to act as Carmel's lawyer in several matters invol involving environmental and zoning laws. Under Jim's leadership, Carmel grew from a
small, sleepy suburb of Indianapolis into a thriving, prosperous community. Jim developed a walkable downtown with well-designed park space, public art, great restaurants, tasteful hotels, a world-class concert hall, beautiful
neighborhoods, and mixeduse development that attracted attracted businesses from all around the country. Despite its growth, Jim ensured that Caramel kept the lowest lowest residential tax rate
of any major city in the state of Indiana. Jim was so popular that he was elected to seven consecutive terms as mayor. Jim is dedicated to the protection of the environment and ensured that Carmel's development focused on smart growth, sustainability,
and abundant green spaces. In two 2013, President Obama appointed Jim as one of only a few Republicans to serve on the US task force on climate preparedness and resilience. Carmel has been recognized as one of the best places to live in the country. US News and World
Report recently listed Caramel as the number two best place to live in the US. While Treasure Island and Caramel have different climates and natural resources, Jim skills, experience, and expertise will help Treasure Island develop its unused and un underutilized
assets. Jim gets things done. Many politicians spend time planning, attending meetings, and making speeches about growing their communities. Jim has little appetite for talking. He actually gets things done. And my husband Don and I have personally witnessed it. My
parents lived in Caramel. They moved to Caramel in the 80s. I have seen it. Don has known Jim Brainer for over 30 years. And we have seen him transform his small town into a worldclass city. We wholeheartedly support Treasure Island's
retention of Jim Brainer to advise our leaders on how best to develop our community. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Brandy Long. >> Hi, Brandy Long Gulf Boulevard. Treasure Island is a place that we all love. And
because we care so deeply about it, we need a clear and thoughtful path forward. A master development plan isn't just paperwork. It's our shared vision for what Treasure Island can and should be. Without it, we're risk we risk
making decisions in pieces instead of as a community with one heart and one goal. This plan should be led by a proven professional who truly listens. Someone who values our voices and understands that residents and our local businesses
are the soul of this island. Together, we can create a roadmap that protects what makes Treasure Island special while guiding smart redevelopment. It would be amazing. It would be an amazing opportunity for our city to engage an independent expert, one who
would listen to all of us and build a plan shaped by our collective hopes, not outside interests, because the future of Treasure Island should always be written by the people who call it home. Thank you. >> Thank you.
And last but not least, Robert Bazo. Hi. Uh, good evening. Robert Bazo with District 1. Um, after hearing the city manager in the fir in the first three commissioners, I felt like Kevin Cosner in the field of dreams saying, "Am I in heaven?" What an absolute wonderful
presentation and this is a great idea. Uh, a master plan is makes sense. It's common sense. Um to make a cake, you you have a recipe. You follow the steps. It's a visualization. Um I was a president of a community association in the community in Maryland
that had a population of well three times Treasure Island. And we had a master plan. Um it was about, you know, 20-year plan. We have vacant parcels, but we knew which of those parcels was going to be have a certain type of infrastructure.
We had the water set up, the the electricity, the power with transportation. We had a plan and uh we did that. When I built the road, I knew where the road was going and I knew how we would affect the other developments. Another piece of land uh we wanted to build apartment buildings. It was
planned for that. The water, the sewer, the transportation, public safety, schools was all part of the plan. It just seems like the smart thing to do. And I'm not sure why there's not going to be a 50 vote on this. Uh we really need to do that.
It's not going to slow things down really when you think about it. Uh we do need an expert. I think the city has a lot of great uh a lot of great people, but not we lack some of the expertise. I don't really care who we hire uh Mr. Brainard whoever. So I I agree with one of the commissioners that maybe we need
to look at some of the places, but I think this guy has a great resume. He has a track record. So maybe maybe that's the way to go to speed things up. Uh the Thunderbird, wonderful owner, wonderful plan. I love it. The thing is, can we visualize
a uh a G the entire Gulf having 186 room hotels? I don't know if we can do that. There's not a plan to tell us, do we have the power, the water, the sewer, the transportation to support five Thunderbirds on the Gulf. We don't know that.
I hear Richard speak and I, you know, he's very professional and I liked what he said and I and I agree with him. I'm not sure he supports a professional um master planner or not. I'd like to hear him say that. But again, I don't want to hold up the Thunderbird. I don't think we would. It's a great plan. But again,
we were letting a private developer dictate to us changes to our comprehensive plan. Think about that. A private developer dictating to us, planning, uh, making changes to our comprehensive plan. It should be a team effort. city staff, residents, and
private developers come together as a team without a team captain. Well, actually, the team captain is our city manager. Um, and and certainly not a private developer. Let's get this done. Master plan visualization of how this is
going to look like in 5, 10, 15 years. Build a beautiful cake and yes, this could be a field of dreams. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, Robert. All right, we will close the uh public comment and uh and resume our discussion
up here. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, I agree with Mr. Downing statement. We definitely need an economic viability analysis that should go with this if we decide to go this route. I got the number 475,000 plus
travel plus expenses plus 35,000 a month, whatever it may be. I'm shocked to hear that a resident has got the correct information before I did and I had meetings all day today, but that's a mystery. Um, based on some of the
comments I heard, you know, building a bridge from Publix to across the street, who's going to pay for that? You know, that just interesting to hear. So, it is a crazy amount of money the amount that I received in my meetings today. Um, I
would like an example of a master plan development uh for a similar size and urban community like Treasure Island. I think we need to see what one looks like so we can make a proper decision to move forward. Uh, Treasure Island is an urban
fill in community. So, Army Corps of Engineers brought in Phil to make Treasure Island. So, that's a question I have if we could maybe get that answered. Um, another one would be what is the expectation of the master plan? We get these questions answered or we
just >> you want me to answer them off the top of my head. I'm not prepared to do that. >> Well, well then just >> the Army Corps question if if the mayor allow I clearly don't know. What was the second question? Well, my most important
question is I think uh we need to see an example of a master development plan from a similar size uh urban community such as Treasure Island. I would like to see what a master plan looks like and for that amount of money, you know,
I know it sounds like we have selected someone, but I think the proper course of action if we decide to go this route is for RFP RFQ. And me and Gavin had a huge long discussion regarding uh that route. So I mean I'll ask that
later on. And then my other question would be what properties would be the focus on or for the master plan? We talked about the downtown development core. We talked about uh west of G Boulevard. Uh we talked I don't know if
we talked about Sunset Beach, but Sunset Beach should be included. Uh Gator should be included and and so on. Um, let's see here. And this one's going to be a doozy for
everyone. Based on all these discussions about what are we going to do with this master plan, which I want to make it clear that I'm not in agreeance with, how can we consider Thunderbird if that would be considered a master
plan? Do we table H1 in the next meeting? Are we re revisiting Thunderbird at a later date? With all this confusion and online misinformation, wouldn't we want Thunderbird in the master plan?
That's important. Um, I never got a call from Jim Branard. I never got a call from Jim Branard, but I know some of the commission has talked to them. Um, and you know, it sounds like we pre-selected someone without the
proper steps. Uh, the the question I do have for Gavin is would this be an RFQ, RFP requirement for this master plan and its cost associated answer that one? >> Uh, Mr. Chairman, do you want me to
answer that now or go ahead? Okay. Um so it's hard to um I sent every all the commissioners an email kind of with a breakdown of the purchasing policy. Um, one thing obvious I I know you guys all know this just for the public's um there will should be no vote tonight in in
this workshop, but what you can do is give um direction to staff if there's consensus or if the majority of the commission wants this um for a scope of work and some parameters and then what staff can do is bring that back um for
discussion. And then um what's hard right now is at this point um there's multiple state and purchasing policy considerations depending on how much depending on uh what type of services. So perfect example is if you hire a
master planner and they're only doing consulting then um that might not require it might not impact the consultant competitive negotiation act. But if you that person brings in architects, engineers and other things then suddenly the consultant um competitive negotiation
act comes into play. So there's several different aspects to this. Um ultimately the um if it's anything above 35,000 and the consultant competitive negotiation act is invoked, then that would be a request for qualification process. Um
but if it's anything above 25,000, no matter what category it falls into, it requires three quotes per our um purchasing policy. So that's kind of the minimum would be the three quotes per our purchasing policy. And uh then what
what staff can do is bring back and based on guidance from the commission, do they want three quotes? Do they want five? Do they want um just to stick with three, bring those forward? Those kinds of things. That's all something I would encourage you guys to kind of come up with some level of consensus on or at
least majority uh to give some direction to staff and then staff can kind of bring back a version of what you're wanting and then you guys can adjust that from there. Is that clear as mud or it's not an easy answer. So I apologize. It's uh it because a lot of it's
hypothetical at this point. I know at one point there was a contract presented. Um, but at this point there's no contract being voted on or decided on. So, I think the best thing to do is come up with kind of a vision scope of work, direct staff to to create a scope
of work, and then you could do either the three uh quotes for um or if it seems like it's going to invoke the um competitive negotiation act, then you would want to look at the RFQ process and then go from there.
>> Gotcha. And then lastly uh the slide that says how will it work the team approach um the master plan consultant should coordinate the effort. This should be done managed inhouse. Someone such as Gary Volenac hopefully uh has
definitely has the credentials to do this. Uh he could do this with the city manager, the economic development director as well as the CDD director. And um Charlie, what is your recommendation on this master plan? I can here. Here's as quick as I can go
and based on you guys uh direction to me um I'll do whatever you direct. I have begun to develop with Joan. She's like does a lot of the homework in the
economic development and planning realm. A brief scope of work that would allow us to solicit three or more quotes which would be required to spend more than $25,000
on a consultant. And just to to make what Gavin said a little simpler, it doesn't invoke this other whatever acronym act he said as long as it's not like an architect, an engineer, uh a building contractor,
something like that. A pure consultant that could guide the process uh with a a pretty uh brief scope of work. I could bring back three quotes to you on November 4th and get further guidance. Or you could tell me, hey, pick
pick the low guy or pick the guy that in your executive leadership team you think is the most qualified. I would not recommend the lowest quote. You're talking between 25 and 50. You want the most qualified person. And that person's going to work with your executive
leadership team, you, the community, and steer the hiring of architects, engineers, landscape architects, tiff attorneys, so that all this gets paid up with the economic development and paid for. So, I would be prepared if the
majority of you tell me uh tonight to go find um a consultant or three or more quotes on a consultant and bring something back to you in two weeks at our next meeting or just go pick one
after you get three quotes. Get three quotes. Sometimes y'all like to move quicker than I do. 10 days, 20 days, whatever you tell me. I'll go pick a pony from the herd >> or you bring it back and you can pick them. >> Um I'm going to propose that uh we take
a look at moving forward with Jim Brainer. >> Um and that uh yes, of course, we uh we need to um do the it'll be more than 25,000. So, we need to move forward the to the 50,000 and uh and basically what
that means is that we are going to have to get three quotes um to have him be a consultant without delaying everything with an RFP or an RFQ. Uh I think that uh Mr. Brainard has has
justified, you know, that he can do everything from A to Z uh within a master plan and there's a lot of master planners that struggle with that and they have to go and do do a lot with the the economic portion of the plan as well
and Jim Brainer has all the pieces together. So, what I'd like to do is see if we can get a consensus to have you move forward in that manner. What is the cost? >> What do you mean what is the cost? What is the cost? >> It's up to $50,000. I just say that
>> confused though because what I thought the whole purpose of the master plan and and when and I'm going to use Jim Brainer because that's what keeps getting thrown out is because he has the people he can bring in. So that would not just be a consultant
going by the legal definition. So now we're talking about two totally different things. We were talking about the Jim Brainer that can bring all of the finance people, that can bring all of the contractors, that can bring the architects and bring all that, which under your definition would come under
the full scope. But now we're talking about okay bringing him on as just a consultant. So I'm >> I can provide some clarity if Mr. if you would like me to or do you I don't know >> just for the procurement standpoint uh which is under me. We cannot pick
anybody if it's over 25,000 today. We need the three quotes first and then you pick the the best whatever candidates h you want from those three quotes forward with whoever you want out of those three but you have to have those three >> once he submit the quote then then you
can talk about what candidates you you prefer >> in terms of uh the vice mayor's question. So my understanding is that one option again this is ultimately up to the commission but one option would be phased approaches and the phase one would be hiring a consultant but they
would not in that phase bring the architects and that type of thing. So you would not be invoking the CCNA which is the consultants competitive negotiation act in Florida statute that requires the RFQ process request for qualification but then in if if then he
could advise on the next steps and then that's when you would when you're bringing them in you would have the RFQ for some of those additional services. But if your consultant is saying that these this is who I recommend, then that certainly would give you um insight into who you ultimately select. Cuz the
request for qualification, how is that different? You're focused more on quality than price. Whereas request for proposal often times on certain services, it depends. It's very complex stuff, but it is more focused on price. In some cases, you can take price into
account during the request for qualifications, but originally it's based on qualifications because it's architects, engineers, services that they want um those specific qualifications to be a focus of. Is that >> I'm trying I'm sorry if I'm >> over it's it's the conversation has kind of
went >> shifted. It it has completely shifted because it's gone from, you know, this person can bring all these people here to, well, now we're just going to hire him so that we can get it in underneath having to do an RFQ. And I I go back to
what I've said from day one. I am not opposed to it. I mean, do I think we could do it with a plan development? Yes. But I'm also choosing my battles. But I think how can and and I do have to
agree with um Arthur. I've never had a conversation with Jim Brainard. Obviously you have. It sounds like you probably have. I don't know if you have >> I had a conversation with him today. >> I've never had a conversation with the man. I saw him surprise give us a a
15minute demo. So I'm sure he's wonderful. I have I've said it a million times. I have nothing personal against him, but I don't know who's good and who's not good if I don't have We didn't just interview you when we hired you for
the city manager. We didn't just hire a city attorney by having somebody show up and, you know, a couple of us liked him. We did interviews. And I think that's my biggest thing is, again, I'm I'm not opposed to it. I just would like there
to be an actual process of not just it's this person and now we've changed from him bringing everybody here. >> Oh, we've never changed. He was never bringing people from Indiana. >> I didn't mean bringing people from Indiana, but he has the finance people, he has the contractors, he has this.
That's the way it has been said. It was said earlier in this meeting and now we've moved to a consultant. don't believe that that's been said. >> Sounds like you pre-selected a long time. >> I mean, we have $475,000 contract that says otherwise.
>> We don't have any $475,000 contract. >> Do we not have a $475,000 contract that Jim Brainard gave to us um about a month or month and a half ago? >> I received a copy of what I would describe as a boilerplate contract for
$475,000. >> Thank you. >> From Mr. Brainer, but that would have to be totally reworked. At no point am I recommending you take anybody's contract for that amount of money. If I was recommending that, it would be on an agenda.
>> Absolutely. >> Or an RFQ. I I think maybe the the nuanced difference here um is that as Gavin described, a phased approach, we could go find a consultant after three
bids. If three of you tell me that Brainer is the guy as long as he's under 50,000 and I obtain two more quotes, it's kind of what I'm hearing from the mayor, then that's correct. >> A little bit different um than that. But you either have to tell me go get
Brainer and three quotes or go look at three quotes and bring us back the people making the quotes with a recommendation or don't recommend just show them to us and we'll make the decision or whatever you want to tell me. I would go for RFQ and find other
other beds as well. See who is coming from Florida, who has experience in Florida. I've done a little research on companies that done this and there are qualified companies from Florida with Florida experience.
>> I I think we're all not that far away from uh from from getting some kind of agreement here. what you've suggested is coming back to the next meeting with a list of three PE three consultants. I assume Brainard will be one of them that
are interested in in doing this in a phased approach. Uh and and when you come back to us, let us know what that might cost and we can select the the person. Uh you know, I'm leaning right now towards Brainard because I've met him, I heard his presentation, I've done
some research on him. He sounds like a great guy, but we have to go through the process as required by the state of Florida in terms of getting the three uh bids on it, reviewing those and and having that >> 100% agree with you. >> So, like I said, I don't think we're
that far away. I think we can move forward with that uh with what you're proposing to bring to us on November 4th. One point of clarification, whether it's him having recommendations on architects and that type of thing or whether however you that process works,
he can't really technically like bring I don't even know what that that would look like in terms of a bundle. He can't do that. what he could do is make recommendations, but you'd still if it's over 35,000, you still have to go through the RFQ process because of that um CCNA related to the professional
licensed services that still has a very regulated process through Florida law. So, you would still have to go through that. Now, you could rely certainly rely on whoever you select as a final consultant to give you recommendations on this person's very good at this type of service and you can look at that and
take that into consideration. That is a value added service a consultant can bring certainly, but you would still have to go through an independent process for selection of those if it's over the $35,000 threshold. Does that clarify?
>> Um, yeah, I agree with the mayor's approach. That's that's the route I'd also like to take. Um, I just want to make one more comment. I mean, I I almost think saying a master planner is almost like shortselling what we're looking for here. To me, a master planner is someone who kind of draws up
the way your town's going to look and do all that. We're we're really getting a master planner financial expert that's going to bring um bring developers and development into our town, which we desperately need. And
and I will answer one of Arthur's questions was, well, I think it was um Chris Downing, who's going to build the bridge across the road? Yeah, this the CRA TIF money where we get three times as much tax money as we normally would
because someone's actually going to take the time to set up a CRA and a TIFF that's going to benefit both the developer and the city, then we're going to have nice things like that in our town. So, that would be my my answer to that. But yeah, I I agree with the the
mayor's approach >> and and the only reason I've spoken >> I I think that you basically uh city manager, you've uh already stated what you can do and uh why don't why don't we do the same thing that you were
suggesting? >> So I'm going to go out for like an expedited brief scope. I'm g send a scope of work out this week. I'm going to have on the November 4th
agenda an item that it'll take a little while to get the backup uploaded and that'll have a minimum of three quotes to exceed $50,000 and then you guys will give me direction on who of those three or more quotes to pick from.
>> Yes. >> Okay. >> Clear as mud. All right. Uh so we're going to close out uh and we're going to get started again at 6:35. Good evening and welcome to the regular
commission meeting for October 21st, 2025. I'd like to call this meeting to order. Now, city clerk, if we could please call the role. >> Good evening. Vice Mayor Vasquez >> here. >> Commissioner Clark >> here. >> Commissioner Sison
>> here. >> Commissioner Dicki >> here. >> Mayor Doctor >> here. >> Thank you. >> All right. Moving on to approval of regular and workshop agendas. Do any of you have any changes? >> I do have a change.
Um, given all the confusion and the unanswered questions about what direction we're headed, specifically with just what transpired in the workshop, I feel it's only fair that the Thunderbird not be excluded from our plan moving forward. Therefore, I'd like
to make the motion to table H1 until we have a consess consensus on what we discussed in the workshop. Okay, we uh we have uh a tableabling of uh one of the items. >> H1 >> H1 we have
do we have anything else? We do not. So we will uh be keeping it in in the same order. All right. Uh I do have a couple of changes. We've got uh a few folks that uh I'd
like to uh have them get out. So, first one is H or I'm sorry. Yeah, we're going to do H1 to H3, of course. H3 to H1.
Then we also have H8 to H2 and H2 to H8. So, we're trying to to move the the folks up here a little bit and uh moving forward. So, all right. Is there anything else?
If not, um we will move towards the uh the recognition uh award presentation for Florida State uh Senate Nick Diggley for his
dedication to first responders. Senator, if you could uh come up, please. Uh we have a presentation from the Treasure Island Police Department, Treasure Island Fire Department for your dedication to first responders. And this is really significant because right after Helen hit, uh you were one of the first persons on the ground here. You
looked me dead in the eyes and you say, "What do you need and how can we help?" And I will never forget that. I appreciate that. And the Treasure Island residents appreciate that. We appreciate what you've done for us in the appropriations and uh we need a little bit more. >> You go. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Uh thank you uh mayor, vice mayor, council. Thank you for having me. You know, I don't um these these awards and recognition are are very much appreciated. Um but it it certainly is not the thing that drives me. what drives me uh are are my constituents,
our constituents. Um we're talking about first responders and um you know when when the storms came through uh last October um you know I think the the most important thing leaders can do is be present um and have those those
conversations and find out exactly what in this case what Tallahassee can do to assist our residents uh whether that's policy whether that's for you know appropriations through our state budget um and and we had a very successful legislative session
uh when it comes to that, obviously at $1.5 million going towards uh their their new facility that is going to happen. Um it might take longer than than we want, but it's going to happen. Um and so I my advice to you this next legislative session is is go big. Um and
let's continue to to collaborate, work together. Uh we need to get these folks out of out of the trailer for all of the obvious reasons and and um I'm fully dedicated to doing that. So, um you know, this is uh this is something that's very meaningful to me and um
let's um uh the biggest trophy, the biggest award we can get is a new facility for for our first responders. So, Mayor, Vice Mayor, thanks so much for having me. It's nice to meet you and um you know, all the best of luck to all of you and just know my door is always open. uh as as the session unfolds, you
know, please don't hesitate to reach out and let me know how we can help and I'll I'll continue providing updates on a regular basis, but it is a top priority of mine uh to continue making sure that uh that your first responders are taken care of. So, thanks so much for having me today. >> Thank you, Senator. And would you please
join us up here for a picture? Thank you very much. Great meeting. >> Well, you all take care. >> Thank you. >> All right. Uh, city manager, would you please uh give us your public comments or your comments?
>> Yes, sir. Would you pull that up? So, we have had a lot uh going on, a lot to uh be proud of, to be thankful for uh in recent days and quite a few events uh rolling um into the next couple of
weeks. Um beach beach nourishment is going on. Uh Panelis County's funded it for us uh this year and it's coming to a beach in Treasure Island late October, early
November. Um we do have um the Panelis recovers grant program opening up. Uh we're going to provide some space in our community center over here um for people to come in and apply and get help for that
program. So if you know of people that can benefit from this this program, like anything else, there are requirements. Uh but we certainly uh this is on our website and we want to make people aware that this assistance is available.
We have uh three new employees that have onboarded this week. Um a budget analyst filling out our finance team, uh code compliance supervisor. Um we've mostly in the last year uh done public health
and safety uh kind of code enforcement. Um, when this gentleman gets his feet under him, uh, we'll be doing more robust code enforcement. I heard somebody ask for it tonight. I've heard several requests for it. Um, so we're staffing up for that. And then a
utilities maintenance worker. Uh, two events coming up real soon. October Fest on Sunday the 26th and the Halloween Spooktacular a week early on October 24th.
So um attend participate as your schedule allows. Um we did make a Senator Diggly has uh departed and we do appreciate him and our legislative delegation uh securing $1.5 million in
funding for our new public safety facility. So, right after the storm on the north end of the building, we had uh some buildings uh that were were temporary, and we're thankful that we had indoor air conditioned uh places to
work. Um they have now been removed. Uh FEMA was paying part of that. Uh the county was paying part of it, we were paying part of it. Uh so we have some more permanent but temporary mobile home uh type uh buildings down on 108 um
where fire and police uh were originally and they're operating out of those. Um shout out to public works um it uh everybody has worked hard to get them in those facilities, get them electrical, power, internet, all the things they
need to operate. Uh so they're operating down the street. We will um in coming days move our employee parking out here and be able to go back to selling the parking spots, renting them by the hour
on the south end of our building. So, our bridge maintenance program um has already started. They're replacing cylinders tonight. Um, I wanted so bad to change that to 900 pm, but the truth is at 10. So, we need to be out of here
for those of you who need to get over the bridge. Um, and uh, just be aware that that work is going on. Miss Hook, come on board and take a bow. I just wanted her
to be recognized tonight. Thank you. I have literally nothing to hand her, but I was made aware yesterday that she has now served this city. She must have started when she was 10 or 11 years old for 42 years. I don't know if
we had a Girl Scout program back then or what, but we appreciate her. all the complicated events and what are you doing with this and that. Um so many times during the week I call Kathy. Um she's got a great team. They work hard
to provide events for our city and just we didn't want that to go unagnowledged. >> Thank you ma'am. >> And subject to your questions I'll stop talking sir. All right. Um, we're now going to we've got uh
three public comments, non-aggenda items, and we'll start with uh, let's start with Father Andy Ellis. Mayor, Commissioner, I'm Andy Ellis. I am the Treasure Island Police Department and Fire Department's chaplain. I'm also
chaplain to the city if you need me to be. Um, beloved, I am here on a mission to seek your blessing, your assistance, and your help on an event we are going to be running from November 17th to December 5th.
On November 12th, we're going to have a kickoff brunch here on the fifth floor. Please, if you would like to come, you are more than welcome to come to help us kick this off. And, uh, we want to get you in. So please, there'll be limited seating, so please let us know as soon as possible. But what we're trying to do
here is to solve a real problem. Unc continents underwear, better known to the rest of us as adult diapers, has become an issue. They've become very expensive. Over-the-counter cards for the Medicare, Medicaid community have been reduced over and over. Medicare and
Medicaid have had massive changes to this. So for the community at large, the elderly community, the homeless community, this continues to be a problem. They cannot get the diapers. They cannot afford them. I'm hearing conversations about I am not going home for Thanksgiving because I can't buy
these. It's a dignity issue. It is an issue that is not provided under any services. So what we are going to do is we're going to raise diapers. We're going to go out in the streets and raise them. There will be no money involved. You cannot give me any money. I don't want it and I'm not going to take it.
But we have a QR code that leads you directly to Amazon and you can purchase them. They will be delivered to the firehouse. Directly to the firehouse. Now what we have been able to do longevity scripts is going to sponsor us is so is dedicated and senior care. They
we have two sponsors for the event. We are also in line with Mayor Ken Welch in St. Petersburg. We also have MadiRaa Beach, Gulfport, St. Pete Beach, and of course us. So, we have a lot of people
involved who are going to be doing this. And frankly, ladies and gentlemen, I really need your support. I need your blessing and I desperately need your help because this is a bigger issue than you think. I talked to a lady the yes last week who said to me, "I'm making
decisions on whether I'm going to get underwear so I can go to Christmas or I'm going to buy my granddaughter a present." That makes me critically uncomfortable. So, we can do something about this and we can make this work and we can all link arms together with our fellow
cities, put it all aside and get this done. So, again, please your support, your help, anything you can do to help us, I greatly appreciate. Peace be with you all. >> Thank you, Father
West Evans. >> West Evans, Isa Palms. Uh I just wanted to mention that I noticed on the agenda tonight there's not a second reading of the ethics ordinance and uh I asked around and it seems like it uh wasn't put in the paper on time. Is that Well,
I guess I won't ask a question. I've heard it wasn't uh listed in the paper and I want to know is is that something we're talking about tonight or has that been dealt with to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again? >> Yeah, let's answer that. Lisa, would you please?
>> I So, because of notice requirements, it requires that it's in the newspaper 10 days before the next meeting. And the way our meetings follow, like the schedule that it follows, it's typically that it's typical that we skip one meeting before we hear the second reading. Gotcha.
>> So, it already is scheduled for the November 4th. >> Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, West Sarah Pennington. >> Hello again, Sarah Pennington, District 2. Um, before I get to my couple quick comments, I wanted to ask Chaplain Ellis, if you don't mind. Sorry to put
you on the spot, but can we donate these items if they're can we donate the items if they're not purchased through the Amazon link? Like if I went to Target and bought them or got them somewhere else, would that be acceptable to bring those to the fire station?
>> Absolutely. Bring anything and everything. We We were just trying to solve the money problem, so we weren't handling, but please get them anywhere you want, any size you want, men's and or women's. We'll take everything. >> Great. Thank you. Um my just two really quick comments. Um one of them is about
the street sweeping that we were discussing earlier. Since we have determined that the current street sweeping that we're doing right now is not only ineffective but actually making matters worse for some residents. Would
it be wise for us to just go ahead and pause and stop this weekly contracted service that we have and we could save $24,000 until we buy our new um machine? Um so I thought that might be something for us
to consider. And then my other thing that I wanted to bring up was that about four and a half months ago, we hired a full-time grant writer. Um, many citizens had some concerns about this, but we were promised that uh this
full-time grant writer would be delivering results. I don't expect to have grants today, but I would love for us to have at least on a monthly basis some updates on what the grants have been applied for, how much money they
are, and where we at along where we're at along the process with those grants. And that's it. Thank you. Thank you, Sarah. City manager, would you uh please put that into your comments uh each meeting? >> Each meeting or monthly?
>> Um you you could do it monthly. I think that uh that'll >> doesn't change quickly, but I'll be glad to do that. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Uh H1 H1 H1 H1 H1
H8 back here. Oh, no. These are the uh >> these are the non-aggenda, >> right? Okay. Yep, that's what I got. Okay. Yep. Thank you very much.
Appreciate that. Uh please, Maria. Thank you, Marie Barbara. District three and four. Um, I want to read into um for the public, mostly for the public and some of the comments that I've been seeing on Next
Door and um Facebook for because Treasure Bay and some of these lands that keep coming up as for development. They keep coming up as like very lucid and fluid and there's um limitations on why that can Treasure Bay has to um stay
like it is or go before the electorate. And if you go if everybody would go into the charter, the charter is linked into the um the Treasure Island website. And if you go into article one and paragraph B, it go into the limitations
notwithstanding paragraphs paragraph A. All parks would ever wherever located and public lands within the city limits of Treasure Island that are contiguous to or provide water access including but not limited to the Gulf of Mexico
beaches, Bokea, Blind Pass, including rights of ways and access easements may not be sold at least beyond the three years, traded or given away absence the passage by the affirmative vote of four of the five of the city commissioners
and with the approver of the electorate or by a vote of the electorate through initiative or referendum as provided in article 7. So, I wanted to make sure that when these um you know when these comments come up that they're looking at
this well, it has to go for uh the electorate. You put it on you have to have four, not three out of the commission for of the commission vote and then it gets uh to referendum and that's uh very important for people to start looking at that. And also for uh
from forward panelis um I had a very good conversation with the county on this and uh there's some areas they do have mapped out certain areas the activity centers like the commercial area downtown they really you know they specify this as activity center and all
the and they give you a chart of all the um uh densities and fars and things like that not I don't remember it was fars but some of the property um LDRs in there and how they're there and the maximums and the the range of of LDRs uh
properties that uh you can attribute to these um plan developments. So that's another thing to probably look for and probably would be good for you to address here and you know make this kind of known to everybody and and that there
is already this plan that they have at the county and they specify this gators. they actually zoned the gators or have that as special activity because zoning is something that we don't have. It doesn't go to the electric,
right? So that that that that does take care of within your power. So I just wanted to mention that. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh Edward Dine Wowski. >> Not even close.
It's Edward Dean Wazalooki and I live on Isisle of Capri. And I would like to bring attention to a house, my neighbor's house, which is a dump. There's rats there and who knows what
else. There could be black mold there. There's water leaking. The roof is off. Uh I mean, it's it's terrible. There's notices on the door, maybe 10 of them. Nobody's doing anything about
this. And this is next door to my house. Now, I have grandkids coming. There's rats there. My husband picked up a a branch from the palm. And you know how at the end it like curls up? He
picked that up, the rat, there was a rat in there. It It fell out. I I mean it it's it's it's terrible. And rumors from some of the neighbors, I mean, I don't know if they're rumors. I don't
know if it's true, but this house was for auction before and the same person bought it. How's that possible? This person does not take care of this house. It wasn't just a hurricane. It was before
and nothing is done about this. So, I just want to bring it up. You know, I keep my house, but I don't want rats in my house. And I have grandkids coming. So, I wish somebody would look into
this. Thank you. >> Thank you, city manager. Did you get that address? Thank you. Uh, Brandy Long, >> I actually wanted to speak about the ethics ordinance not being on tonight's
meeting. Also, um it was disappointing to learn that the ethics code for elected officials is not on tonight's agenda because we missed the deadline or I guess the way that we do it is we wait until the next is that
>> uh because of the newspapers publishing deadlines um it's just not possible to get it into the paper within the 10 days that we need for it to be heard at the next meeting. But it would have if it would have been requested like the next day after everybody agreed on it.
>> No, the deadline um for the following Wednesday, it just the way it falls. I'd have to look at the schedule, but I promise it was done as quickly as possible. >> Okay. >> Um because we have clear ethics issues
with this commission. Um, when we talk about ethics, they're really about trust and the trust our residents place in their leaders to act with integrity, transparency, and responsibility. Delays like this erode trust and make people question whether
accountability truly matters in our city government. We need to hold ourselves to the highest standards, not just when it's convenient, but also when it's hard. The ethics code isn't just another item on the agenda. It's a promise to the people
of Treasure Island that their leaders are committed to doing what's right and you can confirm it will be on the next meeting. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, Ronda Zazi. >> Good evening everyone. My name is Ron
Debazi. I'm a resident of Treasure Island and I'd like to start out by making a comment. Uh it seems to me that our commission has been violating
their authority on several issues. An example is on the height requirements, hotel services that we provide to the hotels such as police, fire, garbage, etc.
for special events and all these services are paid for by the homeowner. We are wait a minute where are the benefits to the taxpayer?
All benefits are for business and restaurants and hotels. taxpayer gets no benefits from any of these uh things that you people vote on. Where does it give the authority in a
city charter for commissioners to sign huge contracts without voter approval? This opens the door for bribery and corruption. There's an act
18 USC section 2011 which helps prevent this from happening. Who benefits from these height requirements? The height change on the Thunderbird gives us no benefit to the city
taxpayer. Commissioner Arthur's hotel height would make his hotel more valuable to developers. He should not have been allowed to vote because of his personal interest in this
matter. Now, it says here that the commission can sign a contract without a vote as long as the contract is within authority granted to the
commission. However, the specific process and requirements can vary depending on the city's charter, local laws, and the type of contract. It is important for the commission to ensure that the contract complies with all
legal requirements is in accordance with the city's budget and financial policies. I'd like to know where in the city charter does it grant authority to the commission to sign such contracts?
Excuse me. Now there isn't an Mr. >> Dezi, your time is up. >> My five minutes is up. >> Yeah. Three minutes. >> Three minutes. >> Three minutes. Correct. >> How do I get an answer to any of our
questions? I mean, this is what happens when we come to these meetings. We want >> Mr. Your time is up. Kim SM we don't go anywhere. >> Hello. uh Kim Sneemis is of Capri and I
just I hope um I support bringing back the golf course. Um just a few ideas on terms of green fees. Um certainly charge golfers enough to cover the cost to maintain the golf
course and to make the golf course profitable. Um for residents of Treasure Island, perhaps offer a yearly membership. I would certainly I love to play golf. I played golf when I was in high school. Um I would I would pay to
play golf here. Um ask area uh hotels to advertise the golf course to their guests. Uh so use social media. But um I I do think the golf course would be an asset to our island. Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you very much. All right. Now we have approval of the minutes. >> I've got >> Okay. So maybe they're they're mismarked. I Rick, I have you for G2 and G3. G23.
>> I had an agenda that I gave during the work. >> I have an agenda. >> Rick, come on up. >> Rick Matthew, District 3. Um, just want to let you know my wife is uh no longer
feels safe walking to the mailbox, walking to Publix. Why? Because we have rampid crime? No. Because a sitting commissioner. What you did was purely disgusting. My wife sleeps with a sidearm next to her
bed now. This a retired principal. Don't give me the look. You're doing yourself a disservice. She's fearful to walk down the street in Treasure Island. We had the grandkids here. We couldn't walk through the beach
access because of your hotel. >> I don't know. >> Play it the way you want. That's where you park your car. That's where your creepy little eyes look out. >> Please give him his time. >> So for you to sit there and make
judgments that none of the residents support I I won't say none, the majority of your residents no longer support you. >> Understood? The only reason you're here is to pad your pockets. >> Come on up.
>> Good evening. Jeff Bayon is Palms. Uh I'm calling about a matter on uh uh across the street from the Waffle House uh St. Pete Beach over there. Uh they're collecting parking fees and it's a
disgrace the way they're keeping it. It's an embarrassment to our town. We have enough problems without St. Pete taking care of their own parking lot and fencing. Uh I think you've all probably seen it. And uh they take money and give
us nothing. It's bad enough they screwed us out of the lot, but now they're taking the money and not giving us anything back. There should have been a stand back there. That fence should have been down. Those weeds should have been cleaned. I mean, that's the way you maintain things. So, that's something
I'd like uh I can't address it, but maybe maybe the commissioners and mayor would. Uh I also uh uh wanted to mention the uh uh I'm I'm in total agreement of of a setback. Uh I
don't want to see these tall buildings. Uh and there's also uh there was at one time uh should be in effect an easement between buildings if there supposed to be I believe 15 ft between the buildings
so you can have a view going down uh to have a view of the beach. I don't know the section on that but uh uh maybe you you would know uh Mr. Thicki you've been around No. Okay. >> I'm sorry I don't know that. >> Okay. Uh but anyway, uh I think that's
uh that's something we should look at. Uh and another uh matter is uh I've been on both sides uh of of getting things and having to give things in business and for us just to give everything
without a return like you said the walk over across the street. Chris brought that up. That's absolutely something that could be done. It was done when I lived in Westchester. We negotiated it uh uh with uh some people that were going to build big uh shopping
extenders. They gave us that. So, let's not give it away. Let's negotiate. You know, uh uh I never pay retail. It's always negotiable. Everything is negotiable. I would appreciate that you all take that in consideration when
you're dealing with some of the people here. Thank you very much for your time. >> Thank you. Did anyone else have a card that No. Okay. So, let's move forward now
in public comment. And it is approval of minutes. >> I move to approve the minutes as presented. >> We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion?
Okay. And uh so call roll. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Sison. >> I. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. >> Thank you. >> Moving forward to consent agenda. >> I move to present I move to approve the
consent agenda as provided. >> We have a second. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Hearing none. Uh I do have a couple
items for the public comment and the first one is Sarah Pennington. >> You guys are seeing a lot of me tonight. Sorry about that. Making up for missing last meeting, I guess. Um, just really quick on this consent agenda, you guys
know, you've heard me talk a lot about my concerns about our budget and my theme for the Treasure Island budget is what I call lifestyle creep. And we're turning into a world of constant subscriptions and softwares. Personally, this happens to all of us and I'm
concerned that it's happening to the city of Treasure Island as well. Um, I researched this CC click fix software that you guys are including in the consent agenda. And um, the software is going to cost us every single year indefinitely. So, it's a subscription
that we would be paying. And, um, the software I I looked it up. It's actually designed to manage large volumes of requests in mid to large size cities, which Treasure Island absolutely is not. We're a very small town. And so I I less
than two miles of of uh land here. So I just would like for you to kind of consider when we're looking at these softwares that this is an indefinite expense. The expense never goes down. They always get more expensive. And and does it really make a tangible
difference in the service that you can give the residents here of Treasure Island? Thanks. >> Is Gary here? Yep. See if we uh >> Hey, Gary. >> Mayor,
>> uh >> Click Fix. So, um it's a little more than $1,400 per month. Um, and so I'm I'm guessing that there's, you know, based on that we
were looking at today that uh you're going to have um is it 24 hours a day? Click fix >> the the the the program. My understanding was it was in place here in the city a couple of three years ago, maybe longer. I don't know the exact
time frame. Um at that time it wasn't correctly integrated from what I can tell. Um there were some deficiencies. I think it allowed too much to too many. Um it overloaded the police with calls like 911. People were reporting it on on
the click fix. And so uh we we there's two major changes. One, it's a lot more streamlined. It it allows if a citizen is walking on the sidewalk and sees a crack in the sidewalk, he goes ahead goes to the app, takes the photograph. It it shows it
gives us the location. All they have to do is just say, you know, I noted this this uh problem here. Not only previously would just show up on somebody's computer or their phone. Now it's integrated with our city works program which we already have. So it
actually will then go and create a work order and the appropriate person personnel will be alerted to go ahead and address it. So it makes the citizens they can anything they they see something they can bring to our attention and we can address it a lot faster. So it's a pretty significant
program. It's it's it's used through you know in many uh communities. Um the key thing is it gives our comm our citizens quicker service and it also allows us to hone in on the details a lot the problems a lot faster. You get a lot of you get a lot of of emails with um I got
a a cit a citizen had had a concern with this pothole or this whatever and then you email it to me and I go and get with somebody else and then they get it in the system and this way it goes instantly and I think we'll see a quicker turnaround. So that that's the idea.
>> Okay, great. Thank you. Uh Rick Matthew, you have uh G2 and G3. >> Gary just left. Um, I really like Cclick Fix. I used it. Um, we got rid of it,
um, when Mayor Payne was still here and, uh, we really didn't discuss why we were getting rid of it and then we went to a system of trying to find out who to email a specific task to. So, I am a big proponent of the Cclick Fix. If it's
a,000 bucks a month, a little bit over, great. I think it's a good program. Thanks, All right. And uh you uh had the the only one G3 or you want to speak on G3 or did that
you you've got a G3 up here. >> All right. Well, >> I don't know if uh get my exercise in. All right. G3. Um I just had a question about that. Several years ago, I was at a meeting and the public works director came in with a line item for over
$200,000 for handyman services. No quotes, no bids, not even a scope of work. Now we have 600,000. We just shot down $475,000 because it was too much. But now we're authorizing 600,000 without a single quote. There's no
granularity. It's just as needed. That's not a way to do business. You guys have a responsibility for 50,000 I believe not to exceed without a vote. Now we're authorizing 600,000 without a vote and we don't even have a
scope of work just as needed. >> Please go. >> Uh so this is actually an extension of a contract that's already previously been RFPD. So it went through the process and this is just granting an extension for that. So it doesn't have to go through the other the 475 you're referring to
and and others is new spending. So this is just an extension of a current contract. But I believe after this extension then it has to go out to RFP again. So >> okay. So are we authorizing 600,000 in billing for without a
scope of work? >> There there's a scope of work there already. >> Does it have to come back to the commission? if they come up with a a job that's 50,000, does it come back to the commission? And if it comes back to the commission, why are we voting for 600,000? >> So, there are it's already a service
that's being used and it's just extending that current service that's being used. Um, and it's being voted on as an extension because that's what the contract requires, but it's not a new new spending that hasn't occurred previously. >> Correct. Yes.
And um our assistant director for CDD can add to that if you want if you're satisfied. No, >> it's Yeah, I mean am I missing the >> Yeah, Mary Ellen, would would you like to >> really straightforward and that's our
building inspectors who are here on site, Nathan and Pat. They are safe built. But so the the reason this one is before you, so we brought you the contract amendments, I don't know, a few months ago to extend their contracts based on it for another year.
>> The money was approved in the budget. The only reason we have to bring this before you now, and it's not automatically spending 600. up to what was in the budget. But our purchasing um >> purchasing policy requires that anything
we're going to do above 25,000, we have to get spending authority. So basically, you're just giving Charlie that authority to for us to pay those bills up to the 600,000. >> Okay. So these are contracted services that >> Yes. >> They're already in place. >> Got it. Got it. >> Correct. Thank you very much.
>> All right. Any discussion up here? Hearing none. Uh, would you please call a roll or have you given the >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. >> Commissioner Sison. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Dicki.
>> Hi. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. >> Thank you. >> All right. Now we will move into items of business. >> Yes. So tonight we're going to have um it's
on here it's H3 but uh this going to now be H1 first reading of ordinance 202531 beach nourishment charter amendment. >> So I believe we have uh doctors um from the
>> county commission. Huh? >> John, sorry I apologize. And um if you don't mind just kind of giving a brief overview and I'll give the legal aspect of it. So why this is necessary from the core perspective. >> Okay. Yeah. So I'm not going to speak to the uh >> Right. I'll Yeah, I'll do that.
>> You're part of that. But I will talk about um the the Army Corps's project and why we need the city to to grant easements. So the Army Corps requires that every 100% of the uh areas within their project limits for the beach
nourishment uh be covered by uh the same easements that they they use for everyone. And these are perpetual public access and construction easements. So they allow the public to use the beach where we place the the sand and they allow um the court to continue to do the
project in perpetuity. Um, and so in order to make the Treasure Island project core compliant, again, one of those aspects is getting all of the uh 100% of the real estate within the project to be core compliant.
That's the only reason why we didn't nourish back in uh 2023 when we were originally going to was that uh I'm sure you've heard about the easement troubles we had in San Key. Well, they suddenly cropped up in the Treasure Island project when they were doing the final review of the plans and like within
weeks they were going out to bid. So, that project got shelved and now the Treasure Island project is on hold, too. So, um moving forward, the as you I'm sure you all are are aware, we're about ready to start nourishing Treasure Island. This is a county-led project,
but it's a one-time county-led project. Um the the bid came back at about $126 million to do our beaches and frankly that's just really expensive. So we can't keep coming back and and funding this ourselves. We need to get the core
back involved. The core pays 65%. Um we also have a newly authorized project that hasn't even begun moving forward yet in Treasure Island which authorizes it for another 50 years. So that's a very long time in the future of being able to continue to nourish that.
And that one's at 50%. So, um, a major component of being able to continue to nourish the beaches along Treasure Island will be, uh, getting the core back involved because we can't do without the 65%. >> Any questions?
>> Uh, this charter revision is, uh, only for uh, public property. Is that correct? >> Yes. I if you, Mr. Mayor, if you at this point, if you don't have any questions um for the county representative, I can share the legal side of what would need to happen in terms of ordinance and and
referendum and all that. >> Okay. If you would please. >> Okay. So, you've heard basically the need at this point. If if no action is taken, the Army Corps of Engineers will not provide DUNE um protection and reourishment. So essentially, but we all know and um I believe ma'am uh in the
the front there you already actually did read from the charter where it says that any kind of easement um anything basically past 3 years uh requires a vote dealing with public property requires a vote of the citizenry. And so
what what is proposed before you tonight would be basically you guys would vote on an ordinance and it would be two readings and then that would be placed on the ballot and if the electorate voted on that then it would allow you guys you would still have to vote on the
actual easements but it would allow you guys by a simple majority to vote um on solely and it's I'm going to read the language just for clarity purposes. So, this is all that it would be amending in the charter um for Treasure Island. It would say there's all the requirements
for parks and touching the water and all that. The only thing it would say is exception. The city commission provides an easement to the United States Corps of Engineers and Penllis County and it's solely to permit the United States Corps of Engineers andor Penllis County to
conduct beach reourishment and maintenance within the city limits by majority vote of the commission. So that's all it would allow is this very very very narrow carveout and the language says solely and the actual so you're you're approving it by an
ordinance two steps and then that ordinance goes to a vote and the voters have a say if they pass it through a referendum then it would allow it in the charter for you guys to then vote. But let's say hey do I do you guys want to vote on giving away a park? Can't do it. You want to vote on something else?
Can't do it. Still has to go back to referendum. very much is super narrow and constrained and it and the language I'll read what it would appear on the actual ballot because uh Florida law requires you can't have more than 15 words in the title and then you can't
have more than 75 words in the actual referendum language that appears on the ballot. And so it would read a charter amendment allowing for beach reourishment easements by a majority vote of the commission. And then this is the actual full 75word language. Solely for the purposes of beach reourishment
and maintenance, shall section 1.02 of the charter be amended to allow the city commission by a majority vote to grant an easement on city-owned property exceeding 3 years to the United States Corps of Engineers or Penllis County as described more fully in this ordinance. And it would reference that ordinance.
That that would be the ballot language. and um in working it and discussing it, we wanted solely at the top because I think it's important to emphasize from a communication standpoint to the citizens. Um that's all they are authorizing you guys to do. They're not giving you a do anything you want with
any city property. It's solely for this solely for Penllis and the Army Corps of Engineers and it can only be for beach reourishment and maintenance. So I know I said that three or four times, but I think it's important to clarify that um that is all this would allow. So, I'm
I'm standing by for questions on that. >> Can I just make sure I understand this? I I remember my first week on the job here, they gave me a a list of phone numbers to try to call people out there to get their approval to sign whatever to to for the easement. Right. So, this
is this is taking the place of that. It allows us to just do it without getting all their signatures. Or am I totally wrong? >> Um I'm not sure what the signatures were. They were from private property owners on the beach. >> Oh, >> this is entirely different then.
>> Yeah. So, that that is for the the reourishment related to So, that's a very good Commissioner Cart question and there's confusion because obviously the there's the bed tax money that Penllis County is already using for nourishment and and that is completely different.
This is for the permanent year round consistent uh maintenance of the dune system and and whatever else is needed. I say dune system because that's the most visible. It could be other things, but it just allows them the easement. And the core has said if we don't have a perpetual easement to be able to do this
maintenance, then we aren't going to do it. And Penllis has been helping to supplement that, but they're no longer going to be able to. And so therefore, the core um because it's sex 65% um that they will fund. >> Yeah. The core will pay 65% of the beach
nourishment projects. So, but because of the the charter says that any public property any you do anything with any public property longer than three years and the core does not want threeyear three year threeear three year threeear they want it to be able to have a
perpetual easement for those that beach area. So this would would this vote would send it to the citizens to vote on in this upcoming election. And then if they vote to approve it, then what it would allow you guys to do is authorize
easements in a simple majority vote for only solely B beach reourishment and solely to the core or Penllis County. Lot of only very very narrow just to clarify. >> Yes. Would you please read the motion?
Move to approve. I move to approve ordinance 2025-31, beach renourishment charter amendment, and schedule it for second and final reading. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? We have no public
comment on this item. And so, please call roll. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Sison. >> I. >> Mayor Doctor. >> I. Moving on. We're going to move up H8
to H2. And H2 now is piggyback contract with Bellard Partners for state lobbying services. >> It's as much a motion. Um, this is for state lobbying services. We were on contract. It expired on December of
2024. We're in a position right now where appropriations is due in less than a month. And so our option is to find a similar city that has comparable services and needs and do a piggyback contract. That city is Sarasota and the lobbying firm is Ballard Group. Todd
Jasco is here to answer any questions with regards to the group. Um appropriations obviously is our top priority and >> Yeah. Okay. I move to approve the piggyback agreement with Ballard Partners for State lobbying services in the amount of
$75,000 per year. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. We also have one public comment and that is Robert Bazo of District 1. I was discussing uh pickle ball with Kathy which is the most
important thing and I I know city manager is not real happy about that but pickle ball approved. I I'm I apologize. I I did not hear the presentation. Um done a lot of contracts in my time. I I I read the uh the uh agenda item. I
didn't see a metric or deliverable. Maybe I did I miss that on the contract that we're hiring these people to do lobbying for us. I hope hopefully there's a measurable and a deliverable that tells at the end of the year what they've accomplished. >> I'm happy.
>> Hopefully you'll answer that at some time. Um, on lobbying contracts, you're actually legally not allowed to because it's you can't do a contingency because you ultimately don't know what the legislaturator is going to do. They can give you updates, communicate, that kind of thing, but you can't require them to
get 200 million in funding or that type of thing because you can't do a contingency >> like $75,000 is for services rendered. But, you know, what are those services? I mean, as a resident and a taxpayer, I just hate those kind of contracts. And I kind of questioned I mean, do we I know
you're gonna prove it. I know we, you know, perhaps we need it, but I do remember that we have somebody on staff that was hired. Um, and the reason for the hiring was told to me on June 17th and everybody that that person had experience dealing with uh the county
and the state legislature. And one of the reasons they were hired was because of that expertise. I'm I'm thinking perhaps do we have any internal expertise that could provide those services and save $75,000. Um so that's a concern. Number one, we
have a a contract end of the year. What do we get for it? And number two, do we have anybody in house that was hired that has that experience? It told to me and everybody else that person had the experience to deal with the county and the state. Um has those contacts to
bring us the money, bring us the grants. Thank you. Thank you, Robert. >> Go ahead. >> I'm happy to respond to that. Um, having been a former lobbyist for TGO, Tampa Electric, People's Gas, and other organizations at the federal level, it
is not uncommon for municipalities, counties, or otherwise to have outside representation. mostly because while I am here for that service and I'm certainly in for the fight, um I cannot be in Tallahassee seven days a week because of my other job responsibilities. And having a a firm
like Ballard Group, who is the top firm in the state right now, to be able to represent us is actually um an unexpected surprise to have that type of representation. So Todd Josco is here to answer any questions you have about the group specifically, but I think um to
Mr. Boso's point, you know, for the level of ask that we have and and the need that we have, I think it would be short-sighted to think that one person can can take that on while doing other job responsibilities. >> Okay, any questions? I' I'd like to to
hear from uh the gentleman from Ballard just a little bit about their background, who else they uh >> they work with other than the city of Sarasota, how long they've been doing it, what what their success successes have been. >> Uh sure. Hi, um Mr. Mr. Mayor, um
commissioners, Mr. City Manager, uh my name is Todd Josco with Ballard Partners. Uh I've been with Ballard for uh about 10 years now. I'm a partner in the Tallahassee and Tampa Bay office and the managing partner of our Sarasota office. Um, as as Bobby Sheay said, um,
we are considered one of, if not the top uh, government affairs firms in the state of Florida. Uh, we've been uh, in business since 1996. Uh, our headquarters is in Tallahassee and we have offices throughout the state of Florida uh, and then outside of
Florida in Washington DC, uh, throughout the country and some uh, countries overseas. Um we represent probably about two dozen local governments. Um as a firm we have I think 350 or so clients
within Florida. Um across our global uh footprint we have a little over 800 clients. So uh we're we're a pretty large firm. Um I work specifically I mentioned this the city of Sarasota. That's one of my clients. Uh also the city of Bradon. um we don't take on um
you know we don't chase a lot of local government clients but uh certainly if there's opportunities that make sense uh we appreciate the opportunity and this very much does. I mean I I live in Tampa. I work all over the greater uh Gulf Coast. Uh and uh you know on behalf of the firm we really appreciate the
opportunity um to represent the city and I can assure you we're going to um nobody's going to work harder. Um, I heard Senator Diggley earlier uh kind of lay down the challenge uh to go big and uh you know, we're going to fight hard for those dollars for the public safety center uh and other priorities of of the
um the county. Um to the city attorney's uh point, we can't really promise anything, but just on perspective, last session, um uh we uh for our clients, um we um garnered a little over $350 million in appropriations across uh our
clients as it relates to local government clients, I think about $35 million. So, um we really deliver uh when it comes to appropriations and uh look forward for the opportunity to put that work um to to force uh for for the city. Okay. >> All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. Any others? >> The only other question I had on the analysis discussion part, it mentions that we're requesting 4 and a.5 million from the state. Uh and Bobby Shay, is that uh is that for the public safety facility specifically or is that for more than >> No, that's the remainder of the 6
million that we began last year. So, it's minus the 1.5. It's the 4.5 remaining. Um the appropriations request looks very similar to the appropriations request that we made last year. The same uh description defense and otherwise.
And one of the services that Ballard can provide is to help us clear and clean our language so that um we make the best argument for our case. >> Very good. Thank you. And I just want to say I I do know a lot about the Ballard Group and it's an honor to have you guys on because I know
you don't normally take on a little city like ours and I just want to say welcome and I know you'll do great things for us. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> All right. Uh let's go ahead and uh and take a roll call vote.
>> Vice Mayor Vasquez I. Commissioner Sison >> I. >> Commissioner Clark >> I. Commissioner Dicki. >> I. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. >> Thank you. >> Now we go to the first first reading of ordinance
202517. Would you please read it? >> I will. It's a little bit long on the title, but an ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, amending chapter 68 zoning regulations of the city of Treasure Island Code of Ordinances to provide for alternate temporary lodging density and intensity
standards by amending section 68-2 definitions amending 68-304 property development zoning regulations to include alternate temporary lodging density and intensity standards for RFH50 zoning district amending section 68.
68-431 scheduling of lot and bulk regulations amending 6 section 68-496 to provide for procedures and requirements for the development agreement utilizing alternate temporary lodging density and intensity providing
for severability providing for conflict providing for cotification and providing for an effective date. >> Thank you. Would you please uh read the motion? I move to approve ordinance 2025-17
and move it to the second and final reading. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. >> Is there any discussion? And we have no public comment. Would you please call roll?
>> H1. >> Oh, it is H1. I'm looking at H3 because H3 H1. Uh, let's go ahead. Uh, Katherine Ducas, >> can I clarify one thing real fast? >> Looks like the applicant wants to speak. I don't know how you want to do that.
>> I'm gonna let the applicant go. Thank you very much. I apologize. >> Thank you, mayor, commissioners. I appreciate the opportunity to do our presentation first. My name is Lauren Rubenstein with the law firm of Hillward
Henderson and I'm here on behalf of the Thunderbird Resort who is the applicant um for the request today. Now, some of this presentation I know you've seen before. There's obviously a lot of communications um that have been
happening with the citizens and uh city commission. So going through some of it briefly, but want to make sure that everyone um is aware of exactly where we are, how we got here, and what we're proposing here tonight. So in 1957, of
course, Thunderbird Resort opened its doors in Treasure Island and became, you know, the iconic landmark that we all know of it here today. And it operated continuously until 2024 when unfortunately it was the victim um like
so many properties along the beaches of the hurricane Selen and Milton last year in June of 25. So earlier this year they were approved for 106 unit hotel by the local planning agency and that was to
grandfather their existing density that hap that they had before the storm. But it was clear um the representatives from Thunderbird that were there made it clear the didn't quite pencil out at 106 rooms and they were working with staff.
We'd actually already been engaged and in conversations with staff. We have our AICP planner, Isabelle Albert, who will be speaking later tonight, who was engaged in those conversations and looking at what the possibilities could
be to spur redevelopment um that was viable along the Gulf. Part of those conversations involved the countywide rules. So, Penllis County is unique um in that we have these countywide rules that are almost like an
additional layer of planning. So, for those that didn't grow up in the planning world, I like to describe it as you have your local land development regulations, then you have your city comprehensive plan, and then you have your countywide plan that we also have to be consistent with. does not mean
that we have to match the countywide rules, but the countywide rules create a cap and overarching um regulations that we do have to be consistent with. And looking at the countywide rules, we identified that there was an opportunity
for alternative temporary lodging density and intensity standards. These had already been adopted in the countywide plan. They've existed for quite some time and other jurisdictions have already utilized them. In order to
utilize them, a local government does have to amend its comprehensive plan to include them and then amend their land development regulations to include to what degree you're going to um allow them and what zoning districts and that sort of thing.
Uh our team met on several occasions with staff when we identified this as the potential solution. Everyone agreed, yes, this looks like a really good solution for Treasure Island. This is something that Penllis County has already created. Like I said, has been
used other places and it requires a development agreement as part of the regulations for a local government in order for any property owner to utilize this alternative density and intensity. So, while it does provide flexibility
like the property owners along the beach were looking for for hotels and resorts, it does ultimately give complete control to the city commission through the development agreement process on what is allowed. So, we've been been in front of you
before, right? But tonight, this proposal is specifically to amend the land development regulations. And this is an amendment to what was originally proposed. Uh originally, it included two zoning districts, both the
resort facilities medium and resort facilities high. And at the last or two weeks ago at the uh commission's workshop, it was uh requested that we remove the resort facilities medium. So
the proposal in front of you tonight is to incorporate this alternative density um and intensity lodging units in the resort facility high zoning category only. So, we have gone ahead and I I
tried to enhance the map with Miss Albert's help to make it a little more clear. So, those areas outlined in black, that's the resort facilities high zoning district. It's only along the east side of G or I'm sorry, west side
of G Boulevard and uh incorporates only those area outlined. As I mentioned, uh, the development agreement is an integral part and a requirement under the countywide rules and would be incorporated into this proposed amendment for any of the
alternative temporary lodging units to be allowed. The development agreement process which is provided for under Florida statutes. It's also provided for in your code gives gives a lot of flexibility and control on the city commissions to make sure that the
project is is right for you right for the property owner. Gives you design considerations, the scale, the height, the width, architecture, mobility management, operating characteristics and restrictions. a lot of uh comments online that we've seen about
concurrency. That's one of the things that's required as part of the development agreement to make sure that the water and the sewer and all those facilities are able to to serve the development. I'd also want to point out that of
course the code provides the maximum number of units F and height that could be allowed but those are maximum those are caps. So the development agreement ultimately that would get brought back if this was approved would be that would be a negotiation. So the ordinance that
is before you tonight does not approve anything by right where by right you're not approving any height increases, density increases, uh F increases. It only provides an opportunity for property owners in the resort facilities
high to come back and to negotiate a development agreement for their particular project. On the development agreement process, of course, that requires public hearings before the LPA and city commission. So it also adds an additional layer of that
public input that you know we know is so valued out in Treasure Island and we want to make sure everyone has the input. So those negotiations take place with staff of course but then come for public hearings before the LPA and the city commission.
So with that I'd like to turn it over to Isabelle Albert. And I do have a copy of her resume that I'd like to enter into the record. She is an AICP certified planner and I'd like to have the mayor recognize
her as an expert. >> Thank you. Um good evening Isabelle Albert. I'm with Half and I'm assisting the applicant with this process. Um I am a certified planner and you know some people say so what? Well, so certified planners, we do a lot of work. We do a
lot of work with planners, other planners. We work in different jurisdictions and it's all about what's best for the city, what's best for the community. That is our main goal. And when one certified planners or talks to another certified planners, we understand each other and we do see
what's the best for everybody. And so looking at this um amendment, you know, I met with different planners from citywide and countywide as well as city and and at that time was with uh Katherine uh she's also a certified
planner and we looked at the code and we said okay what can we do in order to help um with the increase of this uh the hotels um community the hotel and motel community. And so by doing that we'll go through it. These are the four sections
that we are um that's being amended and as you could see obviously we removed the medium uh resort facility medium. These are definition I'm not going to go through them because you saw those uh the last time but this this remains as
is and here it is. It's only affecting the resort facility high. again when we first came in um that was our original proposal uh result for facility high because that's the what that's what I was looking at because my client you know it was the Thunderbird and he was
in that category um it's not necessarily just to address Thunderbird it's to address all these hotels and motel in that category but again as an urban planner you're looking well there's other resort facilities the countywide rules does allow in medium um density to
have also a bump up. So, we we both all of us together decided, well, if we're going to do it for the high, it makes sense to do it for the medium. Again, this was a proposal. Can I'm going to stop you real quick because there's been a lot of confusion and talk. So, if you
could make it clear who you had that conversation with in the city. I know who it is, but I would like for that to be very clear to the public. >> Catherine, um, yes, it was Katherine Yncan. Thank you very much. It was with Katherine Yncan and um and part of those
discussion when she left we could that was already on the table that was already discussed that was already worked on and so the staff that was you know helped me finish it up just kept on on working with me um and and you know
making that happened. Um, I lost my train of thought, but it's it's you know, it's it's really like you look at the resort facility, it's it's it just made sense. Okay, that's where I was going. So, it makes sense to to request that. And so, that was the proposal. But this is why this process is is important
because then we come before you and then you decide, no, we feel that we're not comfortable with resort facility medium. We would like to take this off. Okay, that's part of the process. That is part of the planning process. And so here we are today again with the proposal but
removing that uh to address some of the concerns again. So this takes us to um you know you still have your hotel and motel regulations and that's by you know by right I say however if you are doing the
alternative temporary housing you have to in order to get this you have to do a development agreement this is not by right you know the bellar can't come in tomorrow and request this they would have to have a development agreement
months of negotiation and discussion with staff and then present to you and then maybe go back. But I mean there's a big long process after that and and that's what I want to be clear about and I believe that you know Lauren also tried to make
it clear that this is not a given this is not by right you know the billar the the the Thunderbird the Opal all of these developers and and and hotels and motels they can come in and request this but it's not by right they do have to go
through the development agreement and again When me looking at this, this is not a new concept of the height. You have on one side, it's already built higher. And then when you look and this is on the north side adjacent to us, on
the south side adjacent to us, we have the Bilmar that has already, you know, pretty pretty the the the height increase that we're proposing. This is not a new concept for for for the the beach front. um this is going to help
the the obviously it is going to help the developers. It is going to help the the the business people which in turn helps the the community and so this this is my presentation and I don't know who's going to speak next but I will leave that up to Lauren and I thank you
for allowing me the time to speak. Thank you. Oh, that was my last one. Right. In the in the code under section 68-123E, there is criteria for consideration um of a proposed text amendment and the
local planning agency did did you know look at both of these and recommend approval um when we were before the local planning agency previously. So with that, um, I do want to mention that of course we do have from ownership here Gelot Ovin and Donna Jollymore on behalf
of Thunderbird. So if there's any questions, our team is ready to answer anything. Um, thank you all for your time. I want to thank staff again for their time, for legal, for administration. I know that there has been a lot of moving parts here and you
know we are all all trying to accomplish something that I think will be great for the city of Treasure Island and uh thank you again. >> Thank you. Now we'll take public comment. Uh
Kathleen Ducas. Good evening, mayor, commissioners, and members of the community. My name is Caitlyn Dugas. I am a public policy and administration student with St. Petersburg College. As a part of my studies, I have been learning about local government and land use planning. While I am not a resident of Treasure
Island, I am very grateful for the opportunity to speak briefly on ordinance 2025-17 and to share my perspective as someone who cares deeply of the Florida's coastal communities. From my understanding, this ordinance is about giving Treasure Island more flexibility
to rebuild and update temporary lodging, particularly in areas that were heavily damaged by recent hurricanes. With many of our coastal communities still struggling to recover, I support the direction the city is taking with this ordinance. Specifically, this ordinance amends chapter 68 of the city code, the
section governing zoning regulations for lodging within the RFH-50 or result resort facilities high zoning district. It allows for more units per acre and higher floor area ratios. In other words, it gives builders the
ability to create slightly larger and more efficient projects. But what stood out to me is is that this ordinance does not just open the door for more development. It also builds in important safeguards, requiring hurricane evaluation plans, mobility planning, and
ensuring these developments remain truly temporary and not residential. It supports tourism, which like most of Florida, it is vital to Treasure Island's economy while still prioritizing public safety and community character. I also recognize that change is hard and often unwelcome. It can feel
disruptive, especially when it affects the look, feel, and pace of daily life on top of other things we cannot control. But change is also necessary for recovery and resilience. And that's where thoughtful planning comes in. A city's character, especially one as unique as Treasure Islands, is something
that I feel is worth protecting. Planners have a duty to strike a balance, to listen to residents, protect the charm of a community, and still guide it towards a more resilient future. As someone who is wary of short-term rentals like Airbnb, it was nice to know that there are already
clear rules, regulations, licensing requirements, and tourist development taxes in place. You are not just turning a blind eye to that they are there, but recognizing them and planning for it. The ordinance update does not change or weaken those safeguards and the requirements that those projects go
through. A development agreement means that there will still be individual review and oversight for each proposal in a case-byase basis and not just an overall mass appro approval. Ultimately, I believe Ordinance 2025-17 is a good example of how local
government can use policy to respond to challenges like storm recovery and keeping an eye on long-term community health. It gives Treasure Treasure Island the tools to rebuild stronger, smarter, and with intention, preserving what makes this city so special. Thank you again for allowing me to speak
tonight, and thank you for the work you do to lead your community through these complex and difficult decisions. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Charlie Justice. >> I'm sitting there saying, "Please don't let me have to follow her." Uh, thank you, mayor and commissioners,
for the time tonight. On behalf of the Tampa Bay Beaches Chamber of Commerce, our member and our members, we are here tonight to thank you for your thoughtful deliberation on this issue. Uh the chamber does support Thunderbird's goals and we appreciate your support of submission of the comprehensive plan amendment to Tallahassee recently. We
appreciate Commissioner Dicki's leading the conversation about transitioning from west and east side of G Boulevard allowing for that development. You've heard extensively that we need to allow our business owners and quite frankly our residents
to redevelop in ways that make sense for each of them. We believe that eventually this project will allow the Thunderbird to be able to build back better after the devastation that they suffered. We all know that they need to be able to build back differently. We all do today. Build back in a way that allows them to
be prepared for the unknowns of tomorrow. Build back in a way that makes sense financially. Build back in a way that will allow to uh not only benefit them, but your city, our county, our entire community, including the shopkeepers and restaurant tours that extend far beyond Gulf Boulevard. The
requests have garnered the support of your LPA and positive recommendation from your prof professional staff. Important points as you deliberate the decisions moving forward. We hope that you'll give every consider uh consideration and give every consideration to improving this when it comes back for a final passage. Thank
you. >> Thank you, Charlie. >> Marie Barbara. Marie Barbara, resident um district 43. I'm here to oppose 2025-17 um on two um areas of concern. One of
them is the constitutionality here in the city of Treasure Island. Um we have in our charter that um the heightened density is to go back to the electorate for any amendments or any changes. I know the city council disagrees with
that. Other legal opinions do not. There may be a challenge. So it this may be held back for as long as that takes. The second thing is if you calculate the if you look at the chart that they put up there presently we have in that area we
have 50 units per acre. The FAR is at 1.2. They're asking for the county has from 75 to 125 units per acre. The Thunderbird went for for the juggler here. As far as I'm concerned, they
didn't take the 75 units per acre. They took the 125 units per acre at 125 units per acre. The Thunderbird and the on the H is asking for 150% increase in the density. and for the FARS which is the really when you
calculate everything out let's just put it in simplified uh terms is the building size. So if you're concerned about the setbacks and not having views to the beach this is your this is your area of concern. You should oppose it. They're asking for the full 4.0 for
currently our code is at 1.2 which is a 233% I just calculated this out. You all can do the easy math. 233% increase. This is why I oppose it and I think everybody else um and I think you all should consider this and also the
constitutionality of it because there may be regardless of the city, you know, attorney um there may be a legal uh um motion on this. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, Sarah Pennington.
Hi, good evening. Sarah Pennington, District 2. Um, I've heard it mentioned a few times up here that uh the LPA did recommend this change to our comprehensive plan, but I would like to point out that the LPA
u made that recommendation based under the false pretense that they were told specifically um by our former city attorney and the presenters um of the Thunderbird that we were required to be
in line with the county um um density and intensity and height and um that's not true. We know that now. It is not a requirement as acknowledged um by the presenters. So we are not required to do that. Two LPA members came and spoke
before you all and said, "Hey, if we would have known what this was, we would not have voted to recommend this." And to me, that holds a lot of weight for um people with that type of expertise to have that opinion. Um some concerns that
I have about this is uh we are acknowledging now this is not just the Thunderbird. It was just mentioned by the present presenters. This is not just helping the Thunderbird. This is changing the density and intensity of potentially ever every single hotel
within that district on um the west side of Gulf Gulf Boulevard. and bringing our FAR up to four and 125 units per acre is quite extreme. I was shocked when I said, let me try to compare what is St.
Pete Beach because I would agree that probably most of the opinion that I hear from neighbors and residents around town is that St. Pete Beach has just gone too far. It's too big. It's it's just not what we want. If they wanted that, they would have moved there, but they moved
to Treasure Island because they like the charm. And so this far in units per acre is between 54 and 60% higher than what St. Pete Beach has right now. That is quite a significant increase. And um I I
think we need to really also consider that I think it's very risky for us to say we're going to make this top level rule, but then we're going to do it all in a casebyase basis. Why not step back,
make a good plan? If we need to adjust height and density in some areas, we can do that after the master plan has determined that we need to do so. And then we should make it for everyone. Here are the rules and everyone in that area should follow it. I think that
would really help us avoid potential risk and problems in the future. Thank you. >> Thank you, Sarah West. Sarah stole some of my notes. West Evans, Xyla Palms. Uh, like the expert just said, this isn't just for the
Thunderbird. Everyone in the room, everyone in the town loves the Thunderbird. We want the Thunderbird to be able to build back bigger, better, brighter. Uh, but this isn't just for the Thunderbird. This once this goes into effect, it affects every hotel along the east side of Gulf or the west
side of Gulf. I apologize. Uh, and we can sit here and argue all day that it's a case-bycase basis, but I don't know how anyone with a straight face can say that they're would ever in a million years say no to anyone else that comes along because all you guys talk about is how
everyone needs to go bigger or else they're not going to make any money. Um there was a vote on this in the past uh and we had the city attorney uh say you know there's a whatever the the bill that came through that negates the vote
that the people of the town once once took on this uh even if that uh were to win in court that uh or I should say that the citizens would lose in court if that uh if that was ever
gone to litigation, whatever. Um, the fact remains that the people of the town did vote that they don't want increased heightened nidity. Just because you're not legally held to that vote anymore doesn't mean that the people of this town didn't want that and
you're supposed to represent the people of this town. Um uh the last thing I want to say is we had a city attorney uh a month or so ago that uh the vice mayor brought a motion forward to remove the city attorney and
u the two things I remember uh her reason for it was one he was late and two he presented information that was incorrect to the LPA which is the information we're talking about right now. He told the LPA that we had to meet
the county's height. Uh the presenters also kind of went along with that as well and we can all go back and watch it on the video. It was false information. We now know that that wasn't correct. And so we shouldn't even be talking about this right now. They should be presenting it to the LPA with the
correct information. Thank you. >> Thank you. Robert Bazo. >> Is he out in the lobby? >> I'm gonna start writing tardy slips if that's okay. >> I'm good. Thanks. I'm good. Thanks.
>> Okay. Thank you, Robert. >> And that is all of the public comments that I have. So, we'll close the public comment. Please come back up. Thank you, mayor, commissioners. Uh, just want to address a couple of things
that we um heard from the public. Um, as far as some of the allegations of whether or not we were alleging that you had to stay exactly the same as the countywide
rules. that came up during a hearing that was after our hearing in front of the LPA and that was not a part of any of the hearing that we were a part of. So, it did come up. It was a different proposal. It's not part of your agenda tonight. I think it's been put on hold,
but I just want to be clear that was certainly Thunderbird's proposal in our office. Never did allege that and never would allege that. It's always been that you have to be consistent with it, not that you don't have to match it. a lot of the density and intensity
concerns. Um, looking at the chart and I'm going to pull that back up because I think this might be helpful to have. So, in the countywide rules, there is it's phased, right? So, it's based on area. So, less than one acre for the
alternative temporary lodging density intensity, it's 75 units per acre and up to 2.2 F. Then between one acre and three acres, which is for your information where the Thunderbird would fall, it's a 100 units per acre and up
to three F. Then when you get over 3 acres, it goes up to the 125 units per acre at an F of 4.0. What I think is also important to recognize is that is only related to those standards, but
that doesn't change any of the other requirements in your land development code. So your setbacks that remains the same. Your required open space remains the same. We have prepare proposed a potential increase in height again subject to the development agreement and
same with these up to 80 ft, but these numbers are still going to be limited by those other criteria in your land development code. So that's when you know you get your civil engineers and your architects involved and they're going to see what can actually be built and comply with all your codes. So open
space and being concerned about being able to see the Gulf of Mexico as or Gulf of America as you're driving down the road, right? I certainly believe everyone is concerned with that. You have significant setbacks that are required for um to allow for that visual
um identification of the water as you're driving there. And none of this would change any of that. So I just want to make sure that that's clear. We're not talking about building, you know, from property line to property line with no view and maxing out all of these. Every
it's all taken together. And I would like to incorporate in the record uh the application, the corresponding reports as well as the meeting minutes from previous uh meetings, including the September 2nd where the first reading of this
ordinance was. Oh, and I think Isabelle, she just brought me. So, I know there was some comments about St. Pete Beach. Um, it looks like for temporary lodging use, the height shall not exceed 116 feet in St. Pete Beach. So, we'd like to just
make that comparison. Again, we're not proposing high-rise construction. We're not proposing to be St. Pete Beach or anyone else. We want to be Treasure Island. >> Thank you. All right. Can I say something >> before the commission? >> Yeah, hold on.
>> Go ahead, >> Donna, please. >> Um, good evening everyone. Uh, Mayor, doctor, Vice Mayor Vasquez, city commissioner, city staff, residents, of course. I'm Donna Jollymore. I'm the manager at the Thunderbird. Um, I did just want to take a couple minutes to address some of the public comments that
we've heard. Um, also, you know, I guess some of the social media and everything, but really our goal is simple. It's to allow us to redevelop into a vibrant, successful um, destination in the heart of Treasure Island for the benefit of everybody. We truly do want to work with
the res, if you could talk into the mic. >> We're trying to give the residents something special, some something they can be proud of and everything. Um, I do also want to clear up some confusion. Um, you know, as well with the height, you know, there's still talk that we're
high-rise. There's a lot of misrepresentation going around that we're looking to be a high-rise. That's clear by the comments you see on Facebook and everything that keep the highrises out. We're not looking to be a high-rise. We're looking to be 80 ft. that um I don't you know that's
consistent like they showed the on documentation with the Treasure Island Beach Resort also the Bill Beach Resort um for our rooms per acre we're looking for you know they have the chart up there but we fall in the 1 to3 acres so we're not going to be 125 per acre we
would be 100 per acre um also our FAR in the 1:3 would be the 3.0 and not the 4.0 0 because that's over three. Um I did some investigation when I saw the post about the St. Pete Beach. Um actually they ended up getting more far because
with their development agreements um specifically I saw some information about the Sarata and the um trade winds that their development agreements actually gave them substantially more far than what is listed. >> That's future. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But that's not enough.
>> Yeah, let's let's not be having a discussion from the audience to the >> um also I know that there it was. So, you know, we are following proper procedure. We have the legal team. We have the representative from HAL which is a nationally recognized award-winning um you know planning company and
everything. Uh with the LPA it was said that um you know the two people would have changed their vote. Those two actually voted no. So, I'm not sure it would does that mean they would have changed their vote to yes. I don't know. Um, but we truly want to work with
everybody. Um, you know, I think if you give us the opportunity, we're going to give you all something to be special. You know, um, if there's any other comments, I mean, we we're welcome to, you know, um, discuss with the residents and everything or, you know, through the
commission, however you guys choose. We want we want to give you some, like I said, something to be proud of, something we can be proud of as well. That's I guess all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you, Donna, >> Commissioner Sesan. >> Thank you.
>> As for the decision on what just occurred at the workshop, I'm forced to vote no. I hope the team from Thunder Thunderbird asks the mayor to table the agenda item for a future date once we know a direction for the master plan. This is being fiscally responsible and
we are looking to spend a boatload of money. I don't oppose this, but we should table it uh until we hear more about the master plan FRQ. I'd like to add uh my comment here to it
is I initially voted uh opposed to any change in heightened density and overall I still stand uh with with that uh position. However, I'm supporting this particular ordinance because it removes RFM30 from
uh the original proposal. So, you know, I I would would intend to vote in the affirmative on this uh particular amendment >> and I think we were all pretty much on the same with removing that and that can be a different discussion for a
different day. But yeah, this this just makes sense. I mean, it just makes sense. >> Yeah, I agree with Ardan. Um I'm voting yes just to take the 30 out. Um I I do have a couple questions though. One thing that concerns me, I guess I want
to see the Thunderbird build back, you know. Awesome. I I think I went to a concert there right before the flood. I had a great time. Um, but what I've seen happen so many times in in situations like this is, you know, something like this gets passed, property value goes
way up, and then all of a sudden the owner decides, well, heck, I'm just going to take the money and run. Um, so I guess my question would be I'd like to see if we could agree on like an exit tax where if you sell this thing in the next 3 years, you know, you split the
profits with us. Um, and I don't I don't know why if you're not going to not if you're going to build 100% why that would be an issue. Um, that would be a question I would have.
I I hadn't even thought about that idea, but I think it is a good one. And and if the city attorney would tell us that that we can do that, um that would be something I'd certainly want to look into in more detail. Uh that there there's could be some
challenges with that, but there there might be a way of accomplishing the overall goal of that. And so I'd look into some options and bring those back to you if that um is what the will of the commission is. Is that so I'm hearing bring bring back some options on
uh incentivizing people to um keep and develop their property. Is that essentially >> Yeah. I mean I I don't see if there's 100% going to build um why that would be that much of an issue. And if the answer is as well another storm could come in
the next three years, if the ne another storm came in the next three years, it would be worth less. There would be there would be nothing to to pay. So um I've seen those done a lot. I'm just I I just I want to make sure this thing gets built and gets built quickly if we if we you know if this goes forward. It's my
concern. And then the only other question I had was around kind of, you know, I I think I asked this the last time, but what types of things are you going to do to kind of help the city based on the the increased, you know, amount of folks that are in there? Is it
going to be help with sewers or drainage or, you know, I know you said some things about some parking, but that didn't seem like that much really the parking. So, because it's it's an awful big increase here. Yeah, that would be something we'd negotiate in the uh developers agreement.
>> Okay. >> Yep. So, okay. So, uh anything additional. All right. Um >> I already read the motions or >> let's go ahead and take a roll. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki >> I.
>> Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Sison. >> No. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. All right. Moving on. We move on to H4, first reading of ordinance 202528 to approve fiscal year 2026 fee schedule.
I move to adopt ordinance 2025-28 adopting the citywide fee schedule and appendex A to the code of ordinance to be effective December 1st, 2025 at the first public hearing and to schedule it for a second reading November 4th, 2025.
Mike. >> Oh my gosh. I am so sorry. >> I get to read this. >> We'll never read it again. >> Sorry. Oh, >> I move to adopt ordinance number 2025-28
adopting the citywide fee schedule and appendix A to the code of ordinance to be effective December 1st, 2025 at the first public hearing and to schedule it for a second reading November 4th, 2025's regular commission meeting. >> Second.
>> We have a motion and a second. >> Victor, Mr. commissioners. Uh good evening Victor Tis, finance director. H so we are bringing two changes to the fee schedule and those two changes um if
you want to discuss it I I prefer you to discuss them separate. Uh, one of them is the parking uh to raise the parking fee from $4 to $5 on weekdays and five
uh and to 550 on weekends and holidays and also the special events from I believe 15 to 25 were resident to from $30 to $50. uh we are not uh doing the uh parking
per space because that's per contract and we are going to bring the contract separate and basically that's what we're doing with the parking. So I I allowed um I mean I would like to have directions if you like it like submitted or you want to make any changes.
>> I I'd like to recommend uh some changes in it. Uh specifically regarding the sewer rate increases uh the city of St. Petersburg is passing on to us 9.3% increase in what we send to them.
>> Can we go ahead? >> Can we Sorry for the interruption. Can we just make sure about the parking first and then we take this? >> That's fine. I'm prepared to talk about that one too. Uh I'm going to hand out a copy uh for the official record and for each one of the commissioners. I'd
mentioned this when it came up in the last discussion uh in the last discussion uh about our parking rates compared to other municipalities and what I just handed out. This was uh when I went out and about on September 28th and I went into each parking lot to
see what the parking rates were and you can see that uh the city of St. Petersburg that at their Treasure Island beach parking lot charges $2.35 an hour compared to our $5 an hour on Sunset Beach and $4 an hour elsewhere.
Uh Sunset Beach side streets by the way. U Madiraa Beach at John's Pass was $3 an hour. Clearwater Beach was $3 an hour. St. Pete Beach was uh higher there. there. It It said4 $475 uh when I looked on there, but their
official website says it's four $4 an hour on weekdays and $25 per day flat rate on holiday and weekends. And then San Key Park uh didn't even charge by the hour, $5 for the whole day. So, Florida Parking was the only one the
only other Florida parking is the private company that owns uh the other parking lots in the city and they charged in that particular day $6 an hour for the first two hours and $5 an hour uh after that. So, you know, I'm
going to recommend for two reasons. One is I think uh our rates are already on the high end and this will put us at equal to what the Florida parking rates are which all of us constantly complain complain about uh what their rates are.
That's argument number one. Uh and the argument number two is that we and I'd mentioned this before that we already have a balanced budget without this additional revenue and raising these rates. I don't see where it it's going to do any good at this particular time.
I would rather hold on to this particular type of action uh and use it when we need it to either hold uh millage rates down or to respond to a a natural disaster or something when we need it. We don't need the money right
now in our budget. And you know, if it does anything, I think it's going to discourage people from coming to Treasure Island uh beaches because they can go to these other beaches and and spend a lot less money. So, I would recommend that we keep parking rates as
is. I have a question for the chief of police. Is Treasure Island the only city in Penel County where you're allowed to have open containers? >> Yes. >> So, Treasure Island is very soughta
in my opinion based on that fact. >> You're not, >> you know, you was the question that could yield up in the audience. >> It makes no difference. I bet everybody else here knows that as well.
>> Is that it? >> That's it. Thank you. Somebody needs to fix the signs that are on Sunset Beach uh that are still out there. I think they're uh the Sunset Beach says that you can't drink. You can't have open containers beyond uh the boundaries of
uh >> caddies. >> Caddies and caddy zones all the way to the water. They could literally put >> but it says beyond that. can't be onyond their boundaries that you can't have open containers. So, if that's the case, then we need to get that corrected, too. But anyway, that aside, I still think
this is something that we don't >> we don't really need now. Uh and why we want to be the highest >> highest provider of parking spaces in terms of the hourly rate, I'm not really sure. We're going to be borrowing money
this year and probably a good size if we get some of the grants. It isn't as though we don't need money. Uh if we're going to borrow it, sure. Then then you can borrow as much as you want and you won't have to worry about that extra
buck. But the only two things that we have that go into the the uh general fund is parking and our adorum tax. So you're taking away, you know, the one thing that because we do have a lot of enterprise funds. You're taking away the
money that is in our general fund, which is the what we can borrow or we can use any place in any situation. >> I think if it fails, we always go back down. If what fails having the highest rate in the
>> I think county if we don't see the increase in the next couple holidays uh beach holidays >> anyway I'd like to hear from the other two commissioners because I think they need to No, it's all right. I not I respect your opinion but but I just wanted to hear what they had to say too.
>> You have >> Yeah, I'm I I'm kind of indifferent on this one to be honest. So, >> I mean, I I do understand what you're saying, Arden. I do. Um, but I also agree with the people come to Treasure
Island because they could walk to Ricky Te's and VIP and to the beach with their beer in their hand or their margarita. And I don't think a dollar is going to change that. Um, if it, you know, it doesn't affect the residents and that's the most important thing to me is it
does not affect the residents. So, I mean, I'm again, I kind of feel the same way. It's like, but if if we have it here, I think that we should I think we should move forward with it. >> Okay. All right. I think I think you got the consensus
>> from the commission on that. So, we can move on to the next item. >> The sewer the it's the same item. It's just that two items that we're uh changing adjusting the the fees in the same fee schedule resolution. So, the next one is is the sewer. So as you know
uh the sewer uh the wastewater treatment we we don't have a plan here in house. So we have to outsour the treatment of the water. So the cost of of this uh treatment we don't have any control. So they increase the the treatment cost by
9.5%. So um this is about $288,000 a year. uh based on my estimates uh can be off a little bit up or or down and so what these fees are contemplating is 9.5%
sore increase in our uh bills. >> Okay. I noticed a couple of things on that. one is you you handed me when I met with the city manager uh last week uh and you said you had shared it with the other commissioners or intended to
uh a document that shows that 288,000 increase that the 9.5% increase that the city of St. Pete is passing on to us is about $288,000. And you said for us in order for us to recover that in the same document, you
said for us to recover that we would only have to increase uh residential and uh business rates by 4.8%. So which makes perfect math sense to me. So because the the amount that St. Petersburg is increasing our rate
doesn't apply for all the cost associated with the uh uh wastewater uh uh fund. So we could according to your own calculations we could increase uh
resident rates by 4.8% and recover all of the money that we uh are going to experience in an in 9 and a half% increase from the city of St. Pete. Is that correct? >> Yes. 4.8 8% will bring to the city about
9 $290,000. >> Okay. So, my question is why why would we you why would we raise our rates to residents and homeowners by 9.3% when we only need to raise it by 4.8% to cover the rate increase.
>> So, I open that for your discretion. Just just to put in context, 1% is about $60,500 >> based on my calculations. >> Victor, didn't you have a recommendation on how high you recommend us to raise it? I in one of our meetings you
mentioned that >> I can tell you what the CPI index is and this is a a a stat provided by the US Bureau of Statistical. And the CPI index is right now from August to August
5.3%. >> Uh I hope we get a 5.3% increase on our social security uh next year. >> But anyway, Victor, uh in the document that you that was handed out to us, it said we also recommend we meaning I
assume city staff a 4.8% increase in wastewater fees. So you're recommending in here 4.8 8, but but you built into the program a 9.3%. >> So, I'm going to interject here. We have five unique commissioners. All five of
you have different opinions on things and prices. So, I'm going to take Victor out of the crossfire unless there's a a dollars and cents question. And really, it's back to the commission to make a motion on whatever percentage. Um, he's given you all the math. He's given you
the increments. If you go one% up, then it's $60,000. So, you would increase your revenue by up from like 290, which is the break even to 350. You could use that money to repair pipes and things that might happen that we have no idea that will
happen. Uh to Commissioner Dickiy's point, we did pass a balanced budget. Uh Gary, our public works director, accounted for repairs. We don't know how big the next repair is going to be or what the pipe break is, but this is really a matter for you guys, somebody to make a motion with a with a number
and then u give us direction, please. >> Do you know what uh cost per household that would be? I mean, is that something you could calculate? >> I go ahead. >> No, I I I didn't come ready for for that. And basically, this calculation is
based on 6,000 gallons, but I I didn't bring that calculation with me. And and just to add something, >> that's a good question and I I looked I printed my own bill >> here and for at my house and I don't know how typical mine is. It's a family
of two, but a 9% increase uh that we're that's uh we're talking about would be an additional $11.38 a month versus $5.75 a month. So, it's a difference uh that per at least
at my household, it would be a difference of about $5.63 a month. So, all I'm saying is, you know, this is, you know, doing a 9 and a half% increase is giving our residents a a tax increase except we're just burying it in the
sewer account. >> What are your thoughts on because >> How much was the bill? Do you mind me asking? >> My bill? >> Yeah. >> For sewer or the whole thing? >> The whole Well, the whole thing. I don't mind you asking. 508. >> Yeah, that's what mine is. 500 and something bucks. It seems outrageous. And does it always say estimated on
yours, too? >> Uh, no, it didn't on mine. >> H >> My question is because what you actually brought up um was repairs, future repairs, you know, moving forward. We are going to be developing and you know,
a lot of new homes going in and things. So, I mean, we all know there's going to be repairs. So, maybe if it's not the nine, but if we kind of find a happy medium, >> like like 4.8, >> like I was thinking
like more like maybe 55 or six, that way we can have a little extra for repairs and things like that instead of having to borrow when we need repairs. Um because then you if you if you said it's about a $5 difference, right, between
the 4.8 and >> $563 cents a month for my >> So that would be roughly $250 to $3 difference if we did that. And I'm just saying preparing for the future things that are that could and we all know will
happen so that we aren't in a jam in that. That's what I understood that recommendation to be. So, if we find maybe a happy medium that way, okay, maybe we're not getting quite as much in there and it's not going to be quite so impactful on the homeowner.
>> Yeah, I would >> um that's just a thought. >> I would like to think that our current rates uh have that built into it. That's why uh you know, when I say built into it, it has the repairs and the replacement of our sewer pipes and stuff
like that. So, it's already built into the rate. So, we we're just we're going to be giving them a increase. It's just the question is is it 4.8 or or 9.5? And >> I'm I'm making my appeal for the >> This is an enterprise fund, right? >> It is.
>> Yes. >> But this can go It doesn't have to be either or, right? It doesn't have to be 4.8 or 9.5. Okay. >> 4.8 would just cover the cost, I think, is But yeah, uh to Commissioner Clark's point, I was just going to make that it is an enterprise fund. So regardless,
however you do it, that's up to you obviously, but it does have to stay in the sewer fund. It couldn't go to some random other project. It would have to be for pipes and things specifically designated related to um the sewer infrastructure and that that maintenance
and um operation. Well, there was no doubt that our infrastructure took a beating when Helen put you know two to six feet of water right across the island and uh you know what we would be giving back and like you said it's an
enterprise. It was just we can't take it and do anything else. It stays in the enterprise fund. Uh but you know that we're going to probably see uh over the course of the next couple of years that uh our our infrastructure did take that
that beating and uh and we're going to need to repair it. We had a couple of repairs in the last couple years and they were couple hundred,000 each repair, right? 100,000 200,000 someplace in that ballpark. >> Yes. our budget this year, just talking
about numbers, uh we increased the expense budget by $400,000 compared with last year expenses. >> Okay. >> And and just to discuss numbers and and so yes, we have some repairs. So
some of them are budgeted. So the problem is going to be if something breaks that is not budgeted and that that's that's going to be a problem. I don't have a crystal bar. I don't know if that's going to happen. We we did for what we budgeted, we we
did have the revenues and we presented a balanced budget. >> Do you know what the fund balances? >> Yes. >> In that account? >> Yeah. So, what we budget is that we're going to end the year. We we do have $1.3 million on reserve. And this is the
reserve that we created that we didn't have. And we also have $500,000 on 10. That's the 10% emergency contingency for any emergency. And we have that balance too. And and this was created in the
budget. And then we have a set aside reserve for of $200,000. >> Okay. >> This this was taking consideration 4.8% increase. >> A bill that says estimated hasn't been read in a while. Uh there's a commercial
property that called me many months ago. Uh their estimated bill was 6,000 more than they usually pay. So it came in at like $13,000. And of course we had a show them that there is no catastrophic leak. Um I would like to see uh you know maybe 5%
just be a little conservative, a little pad the 4.8 but uh just a 5% increase. What did what did you say for every 1% was how much per year? >> So ju just this is a federal statistic
the CPI index and this is a general increase of the pricing was and this is by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics this is an official number from August to August was 5.3%. >> Okay.
But I think Commissioner, were you asking how much each percentage would raise in um revenue? >> I thought you had said like >> 60.5 >> 60.5. Okay. >> Thank you. >> I'm fine with 5%. >> I'm fine.
>> I was thinking 5.8. That way it is at least the percent. It at least it's the 1%. That's my thoughts is at least it's the 1% so that you know you're going to have a a six. It's not a huge thing if there's an emergency that has to be repaired. That was my thoughts. But
again, I'm I'll Neither one of you have voiced your opinions on >> I said five. I'm good with five. >> Say five. Okay. >> Five. >> Sorry, I didn't hear >> I'm good. >> Okay. >> 5%. 5%. >> So I if it sounds like there's consensus, but it probably be helpful
just to officially make a motion to amend it. Uh it's a minor enough amendment that it can still go through on first reading and then second reading, but just probably go ahead and make a motion on the 5% and then have have that voted on. >> Yep. So, let's go ahead and do that.
>> All right. I make a motion to amend the wastewater fee pass through to 5% instead of the 4.8%. >> Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Call to the RO.
Vice >> Mayor Vasquez. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> I. >> Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Sison. >> I. >> Mayor Doctor. >> I. >> All right. Next. Moving on. H5 resolution 2025 appointments of code enforcement board.
>> Wait a second. Victor's confused. >> That motion was to amend the ordinance, but we need to pass the ordinance now with the amendment. Right. >> That's right. >> Uh yeah, correct. So I mean you it was probably implied in that, but go ahead and just clarify that in and open the public hearing if there's any comments
on it. Um but I think you already did that. Is that okay? It went on for a while. So I can't remember what's happened now. So, yeah, go ahead and just that that was for the amendment. And then go ahead and just um >> I'll I'll read I'll reread it >> with the
>> I move to adopt ordinance 2025-28 with the amendment of 5% pass through storm water or wastewater fees. um as appendix A to code of ordinance to be effective December 1st, 2025 at the
first public hearing and to schedule for a second reading November 4th, 2025 at regular commission meeting. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? None. Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez, >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki, >> I. >> Commissioner Clark,
>> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. >> Thank you. Next resolution 202522 appointments to the code enforcement board. >> Now, if I'm correct, I think we all got the email that Derry Smith wanted to
remove her name. There are three. >> So, there's three people for three positions, right? Yes. So, we should just be able to see. >> There's a couple things that I wanted to run past you. Um, we did find out that Eva Deise is not a resident of Treasure Island and on reviewing the charter, it
is a requirement. So you guys did make it take action to appoint her. It's up to you if you want to take any action to remove her from the board. If not, then >> does she own property here? >> She does own property. >> Let me clarify on that. So um the city
staff does not do any kind of quote investigative work on determining someone's residency. Residency is actually pretty complex in Florida law. It's a number of factors. It's your intent and also physical presence and there's a lot of factors and you can use various metrics to determine that. So
the what all city staff does is go based on the application submitted and if that person says they're a resident or not based on their application submitted. Just wanted to clarify on that. And so when um the applicant on their original application said they were not a city
resident and somehow there was an oversight that um on that. So just wanted to be clear on that. There was no there's no like investigation looking into. It's simply what the the member of the code enforcement board put as their own assessment of whether they were a
resident. If I remember right, I think she is a board member or something of a condo association or I'm it's been too long, but I think I do remember I think it saying she was a seminal resident,
but that she sat on the board or something of one of the condo associations or something like something to that effect. I mean, we're having a hard time getting >> Well, well, I think uh I I think Derry Smith may if you're saying if we pull
this uh resident or this person off that then we'll have three or four vacancies. >> Is that correct? >> Um that is correct. >> Okay. We I also have to relay that Jeffrey Banyan, he's currently an
alternate member and present in the audience and he is requesting to be a full member. So if you moved him to be a member, Angie removed Eva, you would end up with two alternate positions
and um three member positions if I'm reading that right. I'm sorry. Two member positions and two alternate positions. >> Vacant. >> And how many people to fill them? >> Three.
>> I I did talk with Derry Smith and I think she uh she I mean she was trying to make our lives a little bit easier. There were three open positions and she didn't she didn't want us to force in that decision. But I think given that there's four open positions, I think uh
she would be more than willing to to throw her name back in the in the >> I agree with that. So one one thought on that would just be in um is your understanding that she is a resident or intends to be >> Jerry Smith. Yeah, she's a longterm resident. >> Oh, she's not the one where Oh, sorry. I
apologize. Thought we were Okay. >> Yeah, I think we >> And Perfect. Yeah. >> And you certainly can do that. You can even if someone's as long as they're willing to accept, you can appoint them. >> Okay. So, how are
>> does anyone on the board here or even maybe in the audience know for certain because we know that Dana is definitely a resident. Derry's a resident. What about Sher Cohen or Jennifer Gray? >> Yes, I they they're all >> they are. Yes. Okay. >> We removed We removed anybody who we did
have another applicant who was not a resident and we did have to withdraw that application. Okay. >> Well, that answered that for us. >> So, I guess to move forward is we need to know how many vacancies there are. So, I need consensus from you about the sitting member, Eva Deise, and then we
can move forward with the other appointments. >> Well, if we took her out, then we didn't we have enough people to fill all the positions. >> You would have one um I guess if you still included Derry Smith, >> um then you would have enough people to all vacant positions. If you didn't didn't appoint Derry, you would just
have one vacant alternate member. >> I'm on the board and and I would like to change >> be moved up to >> instead of an alternate that would make that work. >> Y if everybody >> looking good for that. >> Yeah, I'm fine with that.
>> Okay. >> And tomorrow we have a code enforcement uh board hearing. Yes, you do. >> Okay. So, >> let's do that. All right. So, do you have the motion? But the I I think we need I think we need >> H hold on a second. I think we need to decide who's going to be the alternate
members. And I understand >> she's got to write them in. >> So for clarity sake um it would be important to take it one at a time. So if you could on the member that um is not a city resident based on their application. Just handle that in a
motion and then proceed from there to determine who you want. That would be the cleanest way to do that. For the record, >> I move to remove Eva Debris due to >> res the city of Treasure Island.
>> Second. >> We'll take a vote on that. >> Okay. Um I'm sorry. The second was >> Can we just do the voice? >> Give it to >> The second was Commissioner >> Son. >> All right. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I.
>> Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Okay. So then, yeah. Now, now you know that you have a certain number of openings. And then if you want, you could do it all in one motion. Just clarify very cleanly who is going in what spot. >> So here's my question. If we're moving
him from an alternate position to a permanent, does that need to be part of the motion? How does that work? >> Yes. >> Yes. So you would say moving him to alternate from an alternate to at large and then decide who you want in that alternate position and then the rest of the the ATL large positions.
>> Got it. Okay. So who do we want to do as the alternate then? >> But I make >> forgive me. What is your name? >> Jeff. Jeff. >> Jeff. Got it. >> Rachel is also off. >> Got it. >> B A Y.
>> Yes I do. >> Got it. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So, who's going to be the alternate? Did we decide who we wanted? Who? >> Well, I don't know. Do you want Derry to be the alternate? She was She was the last one to come in.
>> I would say Derry and uh uh Jennif Sher Cohen be the alternate members. >> Yeah, that sounds good. >> And then Dana Ball and Jennifer Gray be the >> Derry and Sherry. That's what I couldn't hear. Okay. >> Alternate. >> Okay. So my recommendation is once you determine it, one person consolidate
that into a motion where it's clear and then you can go from there on the vote. >> All right. I move to see if I can get this. >> I was going to say I know it's tough, but >> I move to adopt resolution 2025-2
or 22. Um moving alternate member Jeff Bannon to a at large or is that an art at large position um on the code board. Also appointing Dana Ball and Jennifer Gray
as a member with alternates Derry Smith and Sherry Cohen. >> Could you repeat that? No, I'm just >> Thanks, Ar. >> Second. >> Second. Do we have a motion and a second? Any discussion? Hearing none.
All in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Perfect. Good job. >> All right. >> You got all that. >> H6. Interlocal agreement with panels county for cooperative procurements of
posttorm recovery services. I move to approve the interlocal agreement between Penllis County and the city of Treasure Island for cooperative procurement of posttorm recovery services. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Hearing none. Um let's see.
We don't have to hearing none. Then we will uh let's hear it for uh um now I feel like I'm at a football game. Yes. Uh um go ahead and give us a roll call.
>> Roll call. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I >> Commissioner Zison. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Clark. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> Hi. >> Mayor Doctor >> I. >> Thank you. >> H7 2026-27 Coastal Partnership Initiative.
I move to allow staff to proceed in the application process for the FY202627 coastal partnership initiative with the understanding a $30,000 match is required when awarded.
>> We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Now, please come up. >> Uh, this is a grant that we're applying for. It's coastal hazard mitigation. It is a onetoone match. The money is
already budgeted through building. Uh, we have 60,000 professional services that we would draw from. So, we wouldn't require an amendment. Only only match if we are awarded the original 30. >> All right. >> Any discussion? The the only question I
have is I read through your uh agenda item right up here, uh Bobby Shay, and it looks like this particular coastal partnership initiative grant uh is usually reserved for things like uh dunes and wetland restoration,
uh boardwalks, uh walk dune walkovers, uh exotic plant control, coastal cleanups. I don't I'm not sure how that fits into the downtown district. Uh >> so this grant is specifically for a coastal a high hazard coastal mitigation
study um with Pirate Square. When we had the discussion with Ford Penelis, they let us know upfront that we would need uh impact traffic impact study, coastal high hazard study, and this is a grant that would would cover that. It's going to be required in a lot of our new
developments. >> Okay. That that was all I had. >> All right. No further discussion. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Or actually is that uh >> there's the uh ordinance?
>> No. Yeah. This is not an ordinance, is it? >> No. >> No. >> The last is the construction hours. >> Yep. >> Yes. I I'm just looking through that. All right. And now we go to uh first
reading of ordinance 202520. No >> 30 30 amending chapter 18 section 73 Saturday construction hours to begin no earlier than 9:00 a.m.
>> I move to approve ordinance 2025-30 and schedule it for a second and final public hearing. >> Second. We have a motion and a second and I'll be the first to speak on it. Um, you know, we are we are being even told that
we are some of the least friendly uh communities for contractors. And the last thing I think we want to do is take from when they can start at 8:00 in the morning to having to start at 9 in the morning on a Saturday, which if they're going to put in an 8 hour day, it means
that they're going to be working an hour later than all of their weekdays. And uh and I I I just don't see this. >> Is it 8:00 now or is it 7 o'clock? 7 a.m. >> It is 8:00 now. >> I thought it was seven.
>> Seven. It's seven now. We had some staff discussion on this. I didn't try to amend anybody's item. Eight seemed more reasonable to >> Yeah. >> than nine. I It's fixing to get dark earlier. >> Yes. >> I think contractors are just going to throw in the towel if they're sending
somebody out from 9 to 4 or something. I I don't know. >> I I brought this up. I had a couple constituents uh bring this to my attention. Um there were a couple contractors starting work at 6:00 a.m. 6:30 7 and so on. Um and especially
lifting homes, tearing down homes and so on and and everything else. And then of course it wasn't really written, but uh no work on Sunday. Granted, if if someone's painting, it's not allowed, but uh >> do you have any issue in changing it
from uh 9 to 8? Yeah, I think uh keep it at nine, but obviously there's five of us up here. >> Eight's good with me. >> I mean, and I remember your constituents speaking at the she actually spoke from the podium, but um >> there's many, but
>> yeah. Oh, I'm sure. >> And I've had one reach out to me about it as well. Um but I think 8 a.m. especially with it getting darker earlier with the time change coming, I think that's a happy medium. Seven is definitely early.
>> I'm going to go with nine, but it looks like uh it doesn't matter. >> Look here. >> You know, so Wes Evans brought up a point that has to be enforced. So, you know, like if someone starts at 7 or 6, you know, >> who's going to roll over and and call?
Who do we call? And I know it's a noise ordinance, so I think it's the TIPD, but uh it has to be enforced. >> That's true. >> Yep. And uh before you guys make any amendments, I just want to make sure I read the title fully just I I think uh the mayor read part of it, but I just
want to an ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, amending chapter 18, section 18-73 of the code of ordinances of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, relating to unreasonably loud construction noises, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, providing for codification, and providing for an
effective date. Um and now you could obviously free to make motions to amend. And these are all minor emot um minor amendments. So it would not have to go to a first reading based on slight changes in times. >> What's the consensus? Nine or eight?
>> I say eight. >> I said eight. >> I make a motion to keep it at nine. >> We need a second. >> All right. So we have >> You're making a motion on top of motion to >> cancel you guys out.
All right, I'm going to move to approve with the amendment to 8 a.m. starting time ordinance 2025-30 and schedule it for a second and final, but I guess it doesn't have to have a second and final. >> Yeah, >> it does it. What I was saying is because
it's a minor change, it doesn't have to start at the beginning again. So, okay, >> this counts as the first reading. >> Okay. I believe we have a motion and a second >> and it's for 8 o'clock. >> 8 a.m. >> Yep. 8 a.m. >> If I can for a point of order. You had a
first motion that Arthur set. So you have to withdraw your motion to go to the next one. >> Well, it died. Nobody seconded it. >> Oh, I didn't hear. >> Yeah, I didn't have a second. Yeah, >> just watching the second. >> But that would be correct if we were doing >> We're all getting punched.
>> But yeah, so I mean you can you can do a motion and and add it on an amendment or you can do it the way Vice Mayor did it. Ultimately, Robert's rules of order are a guide. They're not binding on the body. Um, and as long as it's clear in
the public record, then you're good to go. >> So, am I good? Is it clear? Okay. All right. So, we have mine in the second. >> Okay. So, we do have a motion as second. Uh, roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez. I. >> Commissioner Clark.
>> I. >> Commissioner Suzan. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> Hi. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. >> Thank you. Could you two change it at the end? >> The best. >> All right, so that is the end of all of our agenda with the exception of
commissioner reports. >> I will make it quick. Um had a great chat with um your commissioner meeting uh last month and I'm going to be doing another one. I am still on baby watch. So our grandbaby is due anytime between
now and first part of November. So, if he comes, I will have to cancel. But, as of right now, I have another meeting um scheduled on the fifth floor, November 12th, um between 5:30 and 6:30. So, I'd love for any D1 residents to come out.
If you've got questions for me, bring them. Um, I'm not going to go through all the events because um, the city manager went, but um, we do have the community center community center Halloween event this Friday, 6:00 to 8.
Um, costume contest, all sorts of fun. Barktoberfest, my personal favorite, dress up your dogs costume contest, lots of vendors and also lots of adoptable dogs will be there from different rescues. and that is from 11 to 2 in
Roselli Park this Sunday. John's Pass Seafood Festival is also back and it is Friday through Sunday. And the one thing I wanted to really get in isa Capri, if residents haven't heard, um it was a great idea that ICCA came up with, which
is making a trick-or- treat trail. since there's so many vacant houses, instead of having kids going up and down all these streets, um we're doing a trick-or- treat trail. So, basically that's going and it's a coinciding with a block party. Um that is starting at
5:30 on Halloween on so on Friday the 31st at 5:30 to 9:30 the trail will start at Capri Boulevard in Fifth Street and go down and end at 116th. So all the neighbors from the side streets are coming up to Capri Boulevard and setting
up tables so that the kids don't have to go up and down the roads. So that's it. >> Um there was a woman that spoke tonight about the rats and stuff um at her yard that was not, you know, at all taken
care of next door to her. I have like three of those on my street and I keep having um those residents come out and say, you know, apparently there's big snakes in there because they're going after the the the rats. And I I know we had talked about having some sort of
ordinance where we could either cut yards or what what have you. I know there the guy on my street says I have five guys that work for me. We'll go cut them, but they don't feel comfortable going on someone's property. um weren't we working on some sort of ordinance
like that? And and the second point is I mean I feel for people that you know took storm damage, but it's been a year now and to me you at least have to keep your yard mode because it's becoming it's becoming terrible. I mean it's just it's bad.
Yes, we were working on it. I'll find out where do you know where that was in the process? Um I know that it it's somewhere in the staffing process. I'll um follow up on that and then that's one of the reasons that code enforcement's happening tomorrow and then we're probably going to be on the um November
18th doing a special mass magistrate hearing um to try to get moving on especially the super egregious cases. Um they're doing a lot of joint stipulations to help work with people, but on these super um egregious cases where there's health, safety, and welfare issues um they are, you know,
working to to get that taken care of. So, and then the only other thing I had was an update on TMM. Are we We're like 30 days in now. Are we are we getting to where we need to be to get that basically off the books?
That process is moving. Um I don't have a statistic for you tonight. Our goal was to have it wrapped up by January. Um, our permits since you took the emergency action about a month ago, uh,
have been moving along quicker, especially the seaw wall and the single family residential, which is 90% of the permits that walk through the door. Um, but I'll have an update on that TMM pro process for you on November 4th, exactly where we are.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> I have no commissioner comments. >> I I don't have that many. I'm not going to keep us uh that long, but I attended a Florida League of Cities uh training for elected officials on October 10th and 11th in Tampa. And there were a lot of interesting things. Some of which I
had some slides I wanted to share with you, but given the the late hour, I'm not going to do that. I just wanted to point out some interesting things that I found out, and some of you may already have known this. I didn't. One is that the sunshine laws apply to local government officials only. They don't apply to state government, which I
thought they were the one that passed this. It was good enough for us but not good enough for them. So, uh anyway, thank you very much state of Florida for that. Uh the other interesting thing I found was the fund reserves recommendation by the GFOA government
financial officers association is two months of operating cost and I was glad to see that Victor has put away three months of operating cost. So, he's put in some some extra plus he added a 10% contingency on that. So, uh, there was a
whole 4-hour budget session and they did talk about the reserve funds and what those would be. So, uh, we're in good shape on that one. So, I'm glad to see Victor do that. Uh, and one of the other interesting things I thought that came up was the amount of time allotted for public comment. Uh, we recently changed
that from 5 minutes to 3 minutes, and I've been feeling a little bit uneasy about that since we did it. But of the 30 different municipalities that were there, 29 of them, 29 of the 30 had allotted three minutes for public comments. So that certainly is the
prevailing uh standard for public comments. Uh the 30th of the city, the only one that had a fivem minute thing, it uh it allowed residents five minutes but non-residents three minutes. So I thought that was pretty interesting. Uh, and then some cities, and I wouldn't
recommend this for our city, but some cities limited public comments to only 30 minutes. That means only 10 people could comment and and it wouldn't go on and on. So, I I'm like I said, I certainly wouldn't suggest that, but I was I thought it was interesting that
some people were doing that some cities. And then the last thing I had was I heard uh I heard Charlie, the city manager, mention about the the the uh beach reourishment is about ready to start. It is it is in it has started down in south the south south end of the
island. All the gator dredging is already staging all their equipment. They're really heavy duty equipment. They're in the inter coastal right by land's end. So so it should be any day that the sands that the south end of uh treasure island the south end of sunset
beach is going to start seeing that reenourishment activity going on. So that was good news. That's all I have. >> All I have is everybody have a good evening. I saw the hand on the camel. I knew you were going