WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=rYVOkp1trxk NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: rYVOkp1trxk): - 00:07:55: Meeting Called to Order, Pledge of Allegiance - 00:08:36: City Project Updates: Completed, Underway, Potential, and Grant Funded - 00:25:31: Public Comment: Pedestrian Crossing and Sewer Pipe Lining - 00:26:41: Public Comment: Pump Station, Seawalls, and Prioritization - 00:28:35: Commission Discussion: Master Pump Station Grant Funding - 00:31:35: Commission Discussion: Grant Restrictions and Seawall Easements - 00:35:12: Commission Discussion: Landscaping, Packets, and Transparency - 00:41:49: Commission Discussion: Consensus on Presentation Outlines - 00:47:26: West Causeway: Grant Project, Resiliency, Enhancements - 00:53:51: Commissioner Sison's West Causeway Improvement Presentation - 00:58:29: Second Quarter Financial Report: Revenues and Expenses - 01:03:00: Financial Report Discussion: Building Fund and Loan Repayment - 01:12:25: Public Comment: Information, Infrastructure, Causeway, Financing - 01:16:03: Regular Commission Meeting Called to Order, Roll Call - 01:26:45: Public Comment: Hierarchical Chart and Residents' Wishes - 01:29:12: Public Comment: Keep Pinellas Beautiful Update - 01:31:59: Public Comment: Beautification, Workshops, Information Updates - 01:35:45: Ordinance 2026-10: Planned Development Zoning District - 01:39:39: Planned Development Ordinance Discussion and Motion to Approve - 01:41:02: Public Comment: Concerns Regarding RFM30 Inclusion in PDS - 01:44:38: Public Comment: Minimum Acreage Requirements and the PD Pace - 01:54:42: Public Comment: Support For PDS with Timely Implementation - 01:57:38: Public Comment: PDS for Resilient Rebuilding, Moving Forward - 01:59:49: Public Comment: Modifying the PD Ordinance For Master Planning - 02:03:10: Public Comment: Urgency To Approve The Planned Development - 02:03:56: Public Comment: PDs Needed, More Guardrails, LPA Support - 02:06:22: Public Comment: PD Zoning and Overriding Land Regulations - 02:09:51: Public Comment: Support for the Ordinance as Presented - 02:13:03: Public Comment: Listening to Residents, Structure Guidelines Now - 02:16:56: Public Comment: Development Process Contains Multiple Safeguards - 02:20:25: Public Comment: Mistrust Due To Vague Language Concerns - 02:23:40: Public Comment: Ambiguous Wording and Developer Benefits - 02:25:38: Public Comment: Adopt A Master Plan Before Approving PDS - 02:29:07: Public Comment: Changes Needed Due To Hurricane Damage - 02:29:56: Public Comment: Development Needed, Master Plan Expertise - 02:32:08: Public Comment: Vague Terms, Legal Vulnerabilities, LPA Issues - 02:35:17: Public Comment: Commission Vote Conflicts, How Decisions Made - 02:37:17: Public Comment: Data Needed, Build Trust In Process, RFM30 - 02:40:14: Public Comment: Resident Input Needed, Three Individual Votes - 02:43:13: Public Comment: Support Planned Development, A Compromise - 02:45:21: Public Comment: Enabling Ordinance Making Development Harder - 02:48:19: Commission Discussion: Referendum Legality, Non-Binding Vote - 02:51:11: Commission Discussion: Resident Input and Master Plan Needs - 02:53:08: Planned Development Ordinance: Call to Vote - 02:54:13: Block Grant Program Cooperation Agreement Resolution - 02:55:38: City Attorney and City Manager Reports - 03:00:57: Commissioner Reports: Code Enforcement, Permits - 03:03:25: Commissioner Reports: Graffiti, Permit Valuations, Emails Part: 1 1 00:07:55.840 --> 00:08:12.800 meeting to order. Uh now, if we please would stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation 2 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:36.959 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. In our workshop today, we are going to have a discussion on three projects. So, I'm going to start uh the first one B1 3 00:08:36.959 --> 00:08:54.640 city project update. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners. Gary Volan, uh, assistant city manager for operations and public works director. Um, I'm very pleased to be before you tonight to give you an update on the projects the city's been 4 00:08:54.640 --> 00:09:10.000 working on. Um, not only the ones that we've been working on, but the ones that we would like to consider for the future. So, I'm going to go ahead and and go through that uh for you today. Um, there there there are several different types of projects. We've got 5 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:26.399 the projects that are completed, projects underway, we have maintenance projects, we have potential projects, and then also grant funded projects. So, I'm going to spend a little time on each one of those. I apologize the fonts are different on this computer than than on my laptop at upstairs. So, they I hope 6 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:43.519 there won't be any problems with that. Um, okay. the projects that we've completed uh in the LA, you know, I've I've just actually celebrated my first year anniversary here, and thank you very much for letting me serve you all and the citizens of of Treasure Island. Um 7 00:09:43.519 --> 00:10:00.000 uh we we during this time, we've wrapped up the Living Shoreline, the Rosali Pickle Ball Courts, uh the Tampa Bay Clubhouse renovations. Uh we're going to have the grand opening for the Sun uh Sunset Beach Pavilion on June 4th. uh the new walkovers is being completed and 8 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:17.440 uh we replaced a piece of force main uh and repaved the third street on Isa Capri. So those are all completed. Um those projects totaled approximately $5.4 million um of work that's been done um on on these 9 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:32.320 um as far as projects underway. Uh we have several uh I'm going to focus on these are the largest ones and they all happen to be along 108th Avenue. Um the public safety complex uh you you uh at the last 10 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:48.560 committ commission meeting you approved uh the uh uh second uh contractor in the selection process built more construction. We've had two very good meetings since that time already and we're making great progress. So I'm pleased to report that. 11 00:10:48.560 --> 00:11:04.079 Um, part of that also is we have to do a little bit of ex uh uh there's existing structures here that are in the way both in terms of the uh the master pump station, the the public safety facility, but also the public uh works yard that's 12 00:11:04.079 --> 00:11:20.720 going to be rebuilt. Um, we've got to move cars, vehicles, trucks from the construction sites. We've got to make room. We're going to all sort of be doubling up on the east end there for a while while this work's underway. I mentioned master pump station replacement. The design is complete, the 13 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:37.200 permitting is complete, and we should be advertising that hopefully within the next few weeks for construction. Um, the public works facility, the design for the new garage and and uh uh field office. Um, the design is about halfway 14 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:52.959 complete on that. Making good progress. It integrates with the pump station site. Um while we we did the survey for the property, it turned out that there's a a small slice of property between our lot line and the seaw wall that isn't 15 00:11:52.959 --> 00:12:09.920 owned by the city and we've contacted DP and we have a process we have to go through. It's called Phil lands acquisition. I'm getting a survey of those slivers of land and we have a we will process the paperwork but we will be acquiring that land to uh uh add it 16 00:12:09.920 --> 00:12:26.720 you know to the the city lots so that'll all be uh contiguous >> um project 8 there 108th Avenue seaw wall I finished the specifications for that project and uh hopefully uh with your approvals in the next meeting or so 17 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:43.200 we should be able to get that a advertised uh for uh construction. Um that will allow us to uh ensure that all the new facilities that we're building on 108th Avenue will be uh protected by a a new seaw wall. We 18 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:59.519 will be bringing it up to probably elevation five. So it'll be you know ready for uh you know future uh uh sea level issues. Um and also the the the project 9 is the docks and fueling facility. That's something that that has 19 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:16.720 come from the dis and we we're going to be entertaining that. We've spoken with D about that. Um there's some issues that planning and zoning have been looking at internally. We may have to do some uh revisions to uh um our code to allow further definition of a fueling 20 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:33.040 facility on the property. It's zoned for marina, but marina, for some reason, our code doesn't quite cover the fueling part. So, we want to go ahead and uh make sure that that's all squared away. But, um you know, planning and zoning is working with me on that. Um the cost of 21 00:13:33.040 --> 00:13:49.040 these I'm putting a range up here. We don't know what they're going to be. The only um they haven't been bid yet. So, we we're working on estimates, but I'm telling you that this is in the range of 18 to$20 million of construction that's coming up. I'm try I want to point that 22 00:13:49.040 --> 00:14:05.519 out because when we start thinking of other projects we've got to look at what I call these are structural projects. These are police and fire pump stations walls. These are structural issues. When we start thinking of prettier more aesthetic improvements, you know, these come first as far as I'm 23 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:21.279 concerned. We need to go ahead and stabilize our infrastructure. We will be able to find, I believe, some creative ways to get to some of those priority projects that you all might have in mind. um for for maintenance projects. These are these are projects that don't get a 24 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:37.760 lot of attention, but they have to be addressed and taken care of. And right now, I've got, you know, people out there at night taking care of the cylinder replacement on the bridge. And next week, we're going to have to do, you know, some uh major oil replace oil um fluids replacement for for the 25 00:14:37.760 --> 00:14:54.079 project, too. So, we'll be having some day closures of the bridge um shortterm, but lane closures. It won't be uh full traffic, but it will require us to shut down a lane at times. Um roads, sidewalks, and curves. I'd like to as we 26 00:14:54.079 --> 00:15:09.680 go into this new budget cycle um I'd like to think about how much money we we'll try and identify what we can get from pennies from panelis but also we we need to see about uh trying to target on an annual basis some amounts of money so we can start catching up on on broken 27 00:15:09.680 --> 00:15:26.480 sidewalks curbs replacing uh uh pavements and in in the neighborhoods you previously approved the uh the software uh from uh RMT technologies we've we've already been running it. We've got good data already back on the 28 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:42.240 condition it identifies on a map what the uh uh the worst roads are in the city. We'll continue to do that and we hope to maybe July or August we can have a workshop. I'll present that to you so you can see what we envision as the c 29 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:57.920 the priority areas for paving and then give you some rough estimates of the costs associated with so so you can go ahead and make uh decisions again in the budget process so before we start our new fiscal year we'll decide how much 30 00:15:57.920 --> 00:16:12.800 money you'd like to spend for these items. um signage. It's not it's not that expensive an item, but we have made great strides on uh graphics and and uh Kathy and and public work uh parks of wreck and and and public works has been 31 00:16:12.800 --> 00:16:30.160 working on that um to cover all the not only the wayfinding signs, we need the entrance signs, we need the neighborhood signs, all that. It really looks very attractive. Um we're making, you know, we it's it's pretty far along. So, uh, uh, that's another more of a 32 00:16:30.160 --> 00:16:46.639 maintenance project. And the last one is a sewer pipeline. And that's a project. It's something that we've been fortunate. We've been able to get some grants on. So, we we just finished quite of a large stretch along Gulf Boulevard here. Um, I'm estimating that these costs over the next few years will 33 00:16:46.639 --> 00:17:03.759 probably be in the four to$6 million range. Most of that, the biggest the biggest ticket is is Bascio, bridge, and roads. that those are the biggest uh you know costs. Um the city seaw walls we we I may have glanced over that skipped over 34 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:21.439 that one but I'll get back to that one because that's a grant project too and and so regardless um I believe we will be addressing you know some level of seaw wall replacement. We're doing 108 this goound. Next year we'll look at some more and we'll slowly um address 35 00:17:21.439 --> 00:17:38.960 the worst ones first and and uh such as 115th Avenue. Um potential projects. I didn't say future projects because these are just possibilities. These are these are some ideas. They may have come from the DIS from previous conversations discussions 36 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:55.679 may have been one-on-one when you've met with the city manager myself. Um but we you know I tried to identify some of these here. um uh they obviously would have to go through your you know prioritize what you'd like to see first but Treasure Bay Recreation Complex, 37 00:17:55.679 --> 00:18:12.000 that's a big one on everybody's mind. Um West Causeway has been getting a lot of traction lately, but also we've talked about a parking garage. Um there's opportunities to improve some of the aesthetics for our citizenry and visitors and hospitality guests uh at 38 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:28.320 the parks at either the park here. Um, I've I've maybe mentioned to some of you about the the possibility I'd like to renovate the uh the restroom and the parking lot um at Gfront Park here. Um give it give us a little bit more of an 39 00:18:28.320 --> 00:18:45.039 identity here. Uh that you know it's a it's a it's an old county restroom that we inherited. U I think for for not too large of uh expenses, we could go ahead and address that. There's also the chance of maybe putting a single level parking deck on there. one level. Um it 40 00:18:45.039 --> 00:19:00.320 wouldn't really block views, have it open air. Um again, just for consideration. It's we don't have any predisposed plan. We haven't spent any money, but it's just we've kicked around some of these thoughts about how we can improve our our our you know, our 41 00:19:00.320 --> 00:19:16.799 citizens and visitors access to the beach and they like to be on the beach and and it could be an improvement. And then and the last one I mentioned here, citywide landscaping. Maybe just looking at the city from a from a an overall viewpoint and how we could go ahead and and do some improvements throughout the 42 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:33.120 city uh that our our residents will enjoy every day, but also our guests and visitors. So, these are just some of things. There may be others that you'd like to consider. Um what they cost, I don't know that, you know, we we it depends on how how many how much how far we want to go with 43 00:19:33.120 --> 00:19:49.919 it. But u these are things that we'd like you to kind of you know start you know the conversation on. Um I I go stepping back some of these projects I've I've talked about and I wanted to mention that they are grant there are some serious grant applications in as 44 00:19:49.919 --> 00:20:06.240 you remember back in November we put together a package for the county and we we went through a review process and we were ranked fairly high on most of our our five projects. Well, that gets you to the state level. And now we're in the we're in the, you know, we're in the 45 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:22.960 we're in the playoffs right now. And and we we we're making it through. We're doing pretty good, but we're having to respond with a lot of information. And and uh uh Jessica Modrack, our grant uh manager, has been doing a great job. We've been working together to provide them that, you know, FDEM with the appropriate information so that that we 46 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:39.919 can go ahead and keep at that qualifying level and stay on the radar as far as possible funding. So these five projects, the faster pump station, if we get, you know, additional monies there, it'll help to offset some of the costs I previously identified. The same with the West Causeway. Um we're going to talk 47 00:20:39.919 --> 00:20:56.159 about that one a little later on more in detail, but um the West Causeway is a fairly large project. Um the the uh the city seaw walls, this would cover literally every seaw wall pretty much that we have. um city center hardening. 48 00:20:56.159 --> 00:21:12.159 That would be further enhancing this building and making it stronger to to resist storms and and uh um um hurricane impacts. And then undergrounding utilities in the downtown core to uh not only you know it would it would improve the reliability of the utilities 49 00:21:12.159 --> 00:21:28.080 posttorm, but also it would be much attract more attractive without all these you know wires and poles throughout uh uh the the city core. I mentioned earlier sewer align relining. It looks like we have a fairly large u uh funding uh check coming on more 50 00:21:28.080 --> 00:21:45.120 realigning of our pipelines. So, we'll be able to handle that. And then the community development block grant that we're going after for uh the first half of our lift stations. And um and then we figured and then the next year we'd go after the second half. So, those are all 51 00:21:45.120 --> 00:22:00.640 in the works. Staff is spending a lot of time pushing these through and keeping them moving. So, I want you to I don't want you to think that that nothing's being done. We are aggressively, you know, trying to get as much uh funds as we can for the city. Um 52 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:16.960 I I believe that the the share of grant money that we could receive potentially could be 18 to20 million. That's the good news. The bad news is we have to come up with six to eight million dollars of matching money if we get all that. So, but that's, you know, that's 53 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:31.760 that's the potential that we have as far as funding these sorts of projects. Um, financial opportunities. How do we go ahead once we decide you you you have you identify the priorities, you give us 54 00:22:31.760 --> 00:22:48.400 direction, how do you want to, you know, fund them? How do we stretch out from a budget standpoint using our our general fund uh funds available? um how do we pursue you know the grants where I've mentioned the grants do we want to look at alternatives in financing that Victor 55 00:22:48.400 --> 00:23:03.679 can go ahead and investigate and and give you options and also municipal bonds all these things are are opportunities communities use them throughout the state some of them have pros and cons I'm not the financial guy Victor can answer those kind of questions but these are the the 56 00:23:03.679 --> 00:23:19.200 decisions you'll have to make as you go forward you know it's one thing and and you know when I meet with you all and you one-on-one and and and the city manager, you know, you have these great ideas and then I'm going like, well, where do we get the money from? You know, it just it all adds up and when you start, that's why I wanted to show 57 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:36.640 you that these aggregate numbers are fairly large and uh they're they're large to begin with as individual projects, but when you add them up, it's it's quite a substantial amount. So, I think we I think we we just need to, you know, use the the best uh tools available. uh cities um um uh throughout 58 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:51.840 the the state are able to you know to to meet these needs and and uh um you know whether again it's prioritizing staging them so that you address the the priorities you have first and we can go ahead and get to the rest down the road. 59 00:23:51.840 --> 00:24:08.559 Um, we've we've gone ahead and taken a little stab at some future workshops because we want you to go ahead and and, you know, keep this in front of you before uh we get too deep in the budget process. Um, I'm just using the projects 60 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:23.679 that I identified. You may have others. you may prioritize them differently, but we went ahead and threw some dates um in front of you there for uh uh us to to give you more information and give you some we've got some rough sketches and 61 00:24:23.679 --> 00:24:40.320 different things. Um the next step if you you know based upon workshops would be to authorize the the city manager to um say get some conceptual design work done so we could get u further uh you 62 00:24:40.320 --> 00:24:57.360 know make sure that what we propose can be fit on the property what the approximate cost would be things of that nature. So uh those steps would have to be taken. We've given you kind of like a big picture uh overview of this. Um we've got projects that are done that 63 00:24:57.360 --> 00:25:14.880 are underway that we have to that we have m maintenance problem projects. We got some grants that potentially are coming up. You know, there's a lot going on there. Um but I I think that that there's a um a tremendous um opportunity again for 64 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:31.360 the city to to you know make some some strides in in addressing these these needs. Um I I guess the next thing is is this is a workshop. I I kind of rambled for a while here. I I'd love to have questions and and and for us to discuss 65 00:25:31.360 --> 00:25:49.840 these things and and and hopefully identify further direction that we could take to uh to get uh uh towards uh some progress on this. >> Not a question, but uh I did see that uh the pedestrian crossing down by Sea Dogs 66 00:25:49.840 --> 00:26:07.039 uh is being put across Gulf Boulevard. Uh that is a state project. Um but uh I'm glad to see that's been probably four or five years in the coming. Um and uh I I also uh we're aware of the 1.6 million that we're going to be getting 67 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:23.360 for the lining of the sewer pipes. Um so yeah, so a lot of the stuff that's there is real. Um we'll be getting that in May. We'll uh we'll have a presentation. So, um I I I think that you're doing a great job and uh I appreciate seeing all 68 00:26:23.360 --> 00:26:41.120 of that and um let's keep it moving. >> Yeah. I have a couple of questions. Um uh first of all, you know, my residents, it's basically, you know, unanimous that their biggest items are the pump station 69 00:26:41.120 --> 00:26:58.000 and the 115 seaw wall. Um, and I know I appreciate you giving us this update because I know you and I met earlier last week and I didn't realize the pump station was kind of as far along as it is, which I think is great. I guess in 70 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:14.480 the future I would just maybe ask that you promote more that this stuff is getting done because all my residents have heard about is the is the, you know, public safety complex and they didn't know that the pump station was that far along. So, I'm glad that it is. 71 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:29.600 Um, you know, the seaw walls are a big issue. And I guess the question that I have is, and I guess it's for the commission up here, is I think it was last year we had some off-site meeting where we, you know, ranked everything, and um, I think we were almost pretty 72 00:27:29.600 --> 00:27:45.760 unanimous with like our top five, and it seems like that's starting to kind of break apart. Do we need to do that again? come up with like a new top five because I saw things up here that I'm crazy about. Like I love the fuel docks and the docks, but I don't want to spend 73 00:27:45.760 --> 00:28:02.000 money for that before the pump station's done and and and you know our uh our um seaw walls are fortified stuff that you know we really really need. And so you know that's the question I guess that I have if we possibly need to do that. I 74 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:18.480 mean, I love re revenue generating things, but at the same time, I don't want to do those before we, you know, to make sure we can get to our homes after another storm. Um, and then lastly, I mean, there's a lot of things up there again that I that I like. Um, but things 75 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:35.279 like the West Causeway and stuff, you know, I I I don't want to spend money on stuff like that until we're totally fortified and back to normal after the storm. And then we can start I think you know prioritizing those things in some order that we all agree on. So 76 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:52.640 >> and uh Gary and couple things. Am I correct though? We have a grant a pretty sizable grant for the master pump station. Am I correct? >> We have two grants. One from the state and one from the the federal government um totaling about $2.7 million. 77 00:28:52.640 --> 00:29:09.600 >> 2.7 million. And I know that price has gone up, I'm sure, on that compared to what it would have been a couple years ago before you were here because I know originally it was like a four and a half$5 million project. >> Well, I've done my best to keep the uh 78 00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:25.840 the project uh it's a very efficient design that will be able to meet our needs and be very reliable. Um we I think the previous attempt had a building and a lot more you know this is this is um keeping it uh more in line 79 00:29:25.840 --> 00:29:42.080 with just a municipal pump station. >> Okay. And then something you didn't mention but something you said um we had talked about a while ago. I want to say it was at the first of the year cuz I had um quite a few people asking me what 80 00:29:42.080 --> 00:29:59.679 happened to our um C click fix and you were saying that that was in the process of happening again and I kind of wanted a status on that. >> It it actually we have the click fix. We're beta testing it ourselves. Um, one 81 00:29:59.679 --> 00:30:16.000 of the the the engineers for the one of the positive aspects of the of the program that they sold us on was that it would integrate with our work order system. Unfortunately, there have been a few little hiccups in that 82 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:31.200 process. And so, the idea is that, you know, if someone someone sees a sidewalk that needs to be repaired, it would go automatically go to the right public works team. And um right now it hasn't quite been as successful as we'd like, 83 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:48.880 but that is um you know, we've it's it's right there. I mean, it's we've got it it's a beautiful system and and uh another workshop. >> Yeah. And that I was because I have had them ask, you know, if there was any update on that, but I think Yeah, I think we talked about that at the the 84 00:30:48.880 --> 00:31:05.279 first of the year, but um yeah, I think that's pretty much all I have. Okay. Uh Gary, thanks for that uh that presentation because it is helpful to to hear how we're coming along with these and it is very encouraging to know that 85 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:20.320 that not only have you completed some projects, but others are very close to coming to fruition. Uh the one the two that concerned me the the most on your one of your early slides, I think it was your second slide two, uh was on the uh 86 00:31:20.320 --> 00:31:37.279 the pump station and the 108th Avenue SEAW walls. both of those things. We've got the hazard mitigation grant uh request in on those and and to use your uh expression, you said we're in still in the running for that. We're still in the playoffs. Uh may not get it, but but 87 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:54.000 uh we're still, you know, responding to the state's questions about that. But my understanding uh when I was more heavily involved in that process that uh you couldn't start uh groundbreaking on those projects uh before the grants were 88 00:31:54.000 --> 00:32:10.799 requested that had you start if you started for example on the pump station and then later the state decides or that FEMA decides to give us this money uh we would be ineligible for it. So, uh, that was my understanding and I have had that 89 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:28.240 confirmed. So, so anyway, but but you can be shovel ready. As a matter of fact, they love for you to be shovel ready. So, I think you can do everything up to the point of actually breaking ground on those projects. So, anyway, you and I have had this discussion before and I've had it with the city manager. We just for the benefit of the 90 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:43.840 public, we need to get to that point where we're shovel ready uh and then sit down and decide do we keep waiting to hear from the state on these grants or do we move forward? >> Well, I I think that we've gotten some clarification on that and I'll have um 91 00:32:43.840 --> 00:33:00.720 better information. The city manager will be able to give you some better information. I I think that they don't want people to just sit and wait. They they aren't they are not discouraging you now. Um but I'll verify that. The second thing is if we get that grant, it negates other funding. It's not we don't 92 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:16.080 just add it to the other two grants we got. So I understand there are some issues. So but but I will I will run that down to confirm but my understanding is now that uh >> um that you are not going to get penalized. 93 00:33:16.080 --> 00:33:35.200 >> That that would be wonderful. That would be great. Uh so it would be nice to get clarification on that. Commissioner San. >> Thank you. Um for uh the seaw wall on the 108th uh there's a section of seaw wall that abutts the label vita at 220 94 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:51.919 108th Avenue. Uh and it's a defunct uh boat ramp. What's going to happen there? >> Um it'll be removed and we're going to basically run the seaw wall to the property line and then do a approximately I believe 10 foot uh return into the property at at the 95 00:33:51.919 --> 00:34:07.760 property. Will uh the seaw wall be raised above the Lelvita seaw wall? >> It will be at roughly 5. I don't know if they I don't think they're at five, but uh it probably will be slightly above it. Yes. >> And then on Tarpon Drive uh between 10 96 00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:23.440 230 and 10 uh 232. I keep bringing up uh to our city manager that public easement uh that's starting to uh collapse into uh the inter coastal. uh it's about to uh compromise the storm water drainage 97 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:40.480 and it's also heading in the other direction. It's heading east. So I know most of that seaw wall that's collapsed is on private property, but what can we do about the seaw wall at the easement? >> Well, I'm very familiar with that location. Um what happened was the contractor for the seaw wall repair work 98 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:57.440 on the city property would not proceed without a survey because there's some issues about that that land there and we had to procure get a contract on a survey proposal and that's been you know uh initiate or they've been authorized 99 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:12.800 to start I don't think they've actually started it but that's what's holding it up is this the seaw wall contractor wants to make sure he doesn't go over property lines Gotcha. What about what can the city do regarding that homeowner uh where the seaw wall seaw wall collapsed into the water? 100 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:28.800 >> You'd have to refer to code and for I I I honestly don't know what sort of action that the city can take. >> And as for citywide landscaping, I would like to see more storm resilient uh landscaping. I know I planted some purple flowers on my property and they came back with vengeance. It was pretty 101 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:45.200 interesting. Uh but more importantly, you know, this is a question for Charlie. I was wondering why there's no packet provided in advance for this item. You know, this we need full transparency for the public. So, that's a question I have as well. >> The presentation you just saw. >> Yes. 102 00:35:45.200 --> 00:36:01.760 >> Okay. So my thought on this and I'm could be incorrect is that when we're presenting workshop items, when we're presenting you the second quarter financials, it's a presentation to you and the public and we'll answer questions from tonight 103 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:19.200 forever that come from this. But, um, as far as putting it out there early when it's not an issue that you're going to vote on, just like your city manager comments and your city commissioner comments, those are those are comments. You decide what you are. I have no idea 104 00:36:19.200 --> 00:36:35.920 what y'all are going to say tonight. I know I make Commissioner Dicki nervous because he doesn't know what I'm going to say either, but those are just comments and then we can address those if they're not hitting the mark or whatever. That That's the way I look at this. your your business items, your items of business on the agenda have 105 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:51.760 backup. But >> I always thought that paying attention to city meetings since 2004, if there's an agenda item on the workshop or the regular meeting, you know, your con your constituents re reach out to the city commissioner with comments to bring 106 00:36:51.760 --> 00:37:08.960 forth. Uh that's the way I always that was always presented by past city managers. So >> let let me uh add add to that. I think it would be helpful to have the presentations uh posted uh prior to the workshop. Uh give us a chance to look through it uh organize our thoughts and 107 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:24.880 questions and also give the public a chance to look at it as well to see what the I know it's a a back and forth and a workshop. Uh but it'll give everybody else an opportunity to come, you know, uh prepared for the meeting. Well, with that being said, I make a 108 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:44.240 motion to have all future presentations during workshop and regular agenda items be available for available for the public well in advance of the presentation. >> Is this a motion? >> I know, but this is a workshop by workshop. We don't 109 00:37:44.240 --> 00:38:00.800 >> Oh, darn. >> You could ask for >> You could ask for consensus. Can we have a consensus? I agree. >> I would agree. >> Great. Thank you. Okay. >> I >> better than a motion. 110 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:17.359 >> It's not a motion. Um I personally would like to just say that I disagree. There's reasons. I mean, I was putting some of these slides together today. I am busy. I don't have two weeks in advance to get everything put together and and and uh and have it to you. It'll 111 00:38:17.359 --> 00:38:33.359 only delay the process. I thought the idea is that we sit down, we talk and now you can go back, go to your constituents, they can watch it video and and give you comments and then you can direct them to the city manager. But I mean that the whole idea of a 112 00:38:33.359 --> 00:38:49.839 presentation is to present something, not to regurgitate something that was already fed out. I mean then we why we even get up here? It's already been been presented. So I mean you are you you know we take direction from you all but that's that's my my thoughts. 113 00:38:49.839 --> 00:39:06.079 >> I agree with you and I I think that if we're going to uh it's going to become a more formal presentation and I think that's a mistake as well. I think that we we need to be able to discuss it. But if if we're going to give you this and everybody's going to be pulling bits and 114 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:22.480 pieces and wanting to discuss all the different items, we're we're we're never going to get out of a workshop. It'll be there all night long. And uh here I think we're we're going to be doing three different workshops tonight, which basically gives everybody about 20 115 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:39.280 minutes per item. Um, and I think that it's just a mistake that uh that you know we're going to have to back off and do one item each workshop versus three because really what the workshops are, it's it's idea generation. It's it's basically um a lot of the things that 116 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:56.480 that were up there tonight uh we don't have anything but estimates for. Um, and so I think that it's it's a mistake to to move forward on um letting not letting our folks do their presentation as they would like to see it come about 117 00:39:56.480 --> 00:40:11.760 during the meeting. >> That's why workshops are always behind the regular scheduled meeting because that's how it's always been. And giving a limitation of 1 hour for workshop is interesting because sometimes we don't even have workshops. So, I think we 118 00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:27.040 moved the workshops back to after regular meeting and I've allotted all of my entire Tuesday to this and if it goes to midnight, it goes to midnight. >> Yeah. And I I personally don't have a disagreement with moving the workshop 119 00:40:27.040 --> 00:40:43.280 after the meeting. I I think that that may be a a good way to go. or you can do like the county does and it be a com either earlier in the day or a separate day completely um and make it so that it can be later. So, but that's the way the 120 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:59.520 county does just kind of going off of that and that's why they do it. That way they have time. And just a a side note to kind of tag off of what the mayor said. For me, I wasn't saying and if I misunderstood um the two commissioners, 121 00:40:59.520 --> 00:41:15.680 I I apologize. For me, it was more I would love to have had the, you know, 1 through 14 or whatever. I would have loved to have had that um so that I could um you know, have had 122 00:41:15.680 --> 00:41:32.640 that together and kind of prioritized and things for discussion um to go into great detail. No, I mean that's what workshops are for. But it would have for me it would have been nice to have had that just so I can kind of >> could have checked list is what I I 123 00:41:32.640 --> 00:41:49.119 agree with John. I mean if we're going to go through all the rigomero make it all officially might as well put it on the regular agenda and not have it in a workshop. I mean I talked to you this week. I kind of knew it was coming but we're here to discuss it and I don't see the big issue. So >> right. So, do we have a consensus on 124 00:41:49.119 --> 00:42:04.880 that they need it to be distributed and put together or >> I mean if staff has say they don't have have time to do it and will make it worse then I don't want to do it. >> I I don't want to make worse but but honestly if we're going to have a workshop how how can people come 125 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:22.319 prepared to talk about it if they don't see like like one of the items we have I think it was a west co I had a general idea what this one is about because I know what the capital projects are. I know what what's been completed and what's worked. So I had a general idea on this one. But uh I think one of the other ones is the West Causeway. I have 126 00:42:22.319 --> 00:42:38.880 no idea what that discussion is going to be about. None. So I I I was unable to do any preparation. And it's you know how can you have a workshop if you can't come to it and do some preparation for it. So that's the only thing I'm It can be an outline. It can be you know something bare bones or something. But 127 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:53.839 put something out there. >> Put an outline I think is what I think we know what we're talking about. not an indepth but definitely more of an outline, >> you know, and and if your presentation is ready, that was pretty I mean, you didn't you had you added a lot to that. That wasn't that was just bullet point 128 00:42:53.839 --> 00:43:10.560 presentation that didn't have a lot of, you know, detail to it. But, you know, put up whatever you have at the moment. And if you want to change it between now and the time of the workshop, that's fine, too. >> Well, well, part part of it is you see bullets, but I don't have notes here. I've got to do the research and get it 129 00:43:10.560 --> 00:43:24.800 all together. It takes a lot of effort to do that, especially working on the cuff like this. Um, you know, the the the second thing is I'm here at my desk at 7:30 this morning. I really don't want a workshop till 10 12:30. You know, 130 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:42.560 you you know, you agree with that. I I I don't mind staying. I've been at every meeting, but I really don't, you know, at the end of the day, it's kind of I'm not as sharp as I am in the morning. I'd love to have workshops during the day. In fact, we talked about having workshops on the fifth floor where the where everybody sits around table and we 131 00:43:42.560 --> 00:43:59.599 we go ahead and spread materials out and we'll prepare, you know, in advance outline and then we sit down and public be there, you there and we just kind of roll up our sleeves and spend a couple of hours and just really dive into these things. That's what we like to do and that's why we even took the time to kind of get a schedule to show that we want 132 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:16.079 to have more workshops and get that information out. Like Commissioner Clark said, the people don't know. I I think we need to do this. you know, I I want to have a p at least one once a quarter public works workshop just to tell you what the heck's going on, let you know what we're doing. So, so those kind of 133 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:31.920 things that we're we're talking about internally. You know, this is the first time you got a workshop schedule this far in advance. You know, we we did give it some thought. We went through it and and and we we want to give you the information on a timely basis and have the interaction with the public so that 134 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:48.880 we get to consensus and can move forward. What about a workshop at like 3:00 and then the city meeting at 6 >> that that uh >> I mean know the county does them at 2. >> Yeah, I I I'm not crazy about that because that sometimes we have a workshop and it's over at 5:15 and we 135 00:44:48.880 --> 00:45:03.359 sit around here for 45 minutes before the other meeting. Anyway, we do have other subjects to cover on the agenda. So maybe we can uh we can move forward. >> Mr. Mayor, before we kind of leave the thought process here, >> um I I think I heard a couple 136 00:45:03.359 --> 00:45:18.400 commissioners ask to rep prioritize or get a handle on the priorities. I've gone back to the April 15th, 2025 workshop numerous times since I've been here because that's something that the five current elected officials all 137 00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:34.880 agreed upon. Um, but I would be happy to give each of you a list of the 15 or 20 projects that Gary just went over, kind of draw a line under where you left off then of what you said go on and then the 138 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:51.599 potential projects and collect those back and I can just kind of basically survey you guys and and come back in two weeks or four weeks and show you where everybody was. If y'all have comments, I can include those. Would that be 139 00:45:51.599 --> 00:46:07.440 palatable to the commission to just make sure we're still tracking the way we think you are tracking? >> For me, that was all I really wanted is I would have liked to have had that list. So, >> no, I think we need to check the rep prioritation, the prioritization that we 140 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:22.079 did a year ago and possibly rep prioritize our give our give them again and make sure that we're all in agreement and up to date. Pick the top five, you know. >> Okay. So where do we rest on the issue of consensus? Do we do we need to bring 141 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:38.160 it up again and because I I understand completely Gary what what your issues are. >> I think we have a good compromise. I we'll go ahead and get an outline. Yeah. You've got some some something to go on. It may not be exactly the same as game 142 00:46:38.160 --> 00:46:54.079 day, but we'll we'll do our best. >> At least it's an idea >> together. >> Yeah, we can do that. And I hope that would kind of like we can, you know, meet in the middle there. >> Appreciate that. Thank you. >> Fine with me. >> If staff's uh okay with it, I'm okay. >> I'm I'm okay with it. To be just as 143 00:46:54.079 --> 00:47:10.400 honest as I can be, the second quarter financials one, Victor didn't have them complete till the other day, but if he had, you have to be briefed on those things to really understand it. I didn't want all the red and the black and have that 144 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:26.400 question swirling for two weeks. I think that for sure is a presentation. Then we always can do budget amendments and whatever. But anyway, I don't want to beat that dead horse letting Gary go. >> So a prime example of this, I put the West Causeway improvements on the 145 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:43.520 agenda, but the city has You have a presentation because I have my own presentation. >> I was told to put something together >> and I put something together. So here's a prime example of a >> Well, I tell you what, you have Do you have some slides and things? Yeah, that's I mean >> Oh, hold on one second. I'm sorry to 146 00:47:43.520 --> 00:47:58.400 interrupt, but I thought we still had one more outstanding item. Do we want to put our top 10 rep prioritizations in or not? That was something that you just asked, didn't you? >> Yeah, but I like right not right now. You don't mean right? >> Not right this second, but >> No, I'm going to distribute you guys 147 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:15.680 something unless you all tell me no here now. >> How about I go really fast and then you go for it. >> Well, >> I was I was going to say I This is very short. This >> All right, go for it. I'll go after you. I'd like to talk to you a little bit about the West Causeway project. Um, 148 00:48:15.680 --> 00:48:30.960 again, I was I thought I was supposed to put something together and I we had a little mix up there. I saw your name after it and I thought, well, is that because you requested it or But anyway, the West Causeway, this is this is the uh um the 149 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:47.280 grant project that we went after is a major project for the city. It is a resiliency major, you know, you raising the road up, hardening it, drainage, it's got a big big price tag. Um, when I've I've 150 00:48:47.280 --> 00:49:03.040 spoken with some of you, I've told you that if the city was going to pay for it, we may not be able to do quite that much. We'd still do a good job, but we, you know, we and so right now, we've got a $9 million project, a $9.2 $2 million project, but I I would think that if if 151 00:49:03.040 --> 00:49:19.760 we have to pay for the whole thing ourselves, we may tone it down to maybe four to five four, you know, million dollars. Um, so u it it I'm going to be talking about mainly from the the big picture perspective uh for the from the grant. Okay, the improvements were to 152 00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:36.079 just basically this is and this is a lot from the grant application is to strengthen access and enhance the community. It's not just to the roadway, but also it's the it's the entrance to Treasure Island. So it's the only east west connection. It's it's vital for services, for visitors, for, you know, 153 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:51.599 emergencies. We had three and a half feet of water cross it. You had boats drifting across it. That's not going to change if we have a flood. We're not going to be able to stop the flooding, but we can make it so that the road would be um u more 154 00:49:51.599 --> 00:50:07.920 resilient. And that by that means we we you know, we're not going to raise it a lot because we've got homes nearby. We can't go ahead and jack the road up three feet or something. So, so what we'd look at doing is probably raising it six to eight inches. But the the material that it would be constructed of 155 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:25.680 would be the roadway base. There's a lime rock material and then they put the asphalt on top. What we probably would do is go they call it full depth asphalt where your roadway base is asphalt and the surface is asphalt. It doesn't get inundated by water. It doesn't fail. we 156 00:50:25.680 --> 00:50:41.760 don't have potholes like we have now. So that it would that's why I use the term hardening. That's what we'd be focusing on hardening the road. Um also we'd be improving the drainage out there because I understand that water can stand even heavy rains and things. It'll stand. We need better drainage to make sure we 157 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:57.040 don't have people you know hydroplaning or whatever on and make it unsafe road surface. Um as far as community enhancements, you know, we want to improve the entrance feature to the island. We need to improve the the uh the landscaping. 158 00:50:57.040 --> 00:51:13.520 This is sort of this is what we threw in for the grant application. This is the same roadway section, but adding sidewalks on the sides, bike lanes, things of that nature. Now, that's going to cut in a little bit into the green space. So, how how we balance it. I'm not saying we do this, but this is just 159 00:51:13.520 --> 00:51:29.839 something for consideration. This is conceptual concepts. It doesn't mean it's going to go in this direction, but this is what we could do out there. Um multimo mo mobility is a big issue especially with forward panelis our you know our CDD department pushes it we we 160 00:51:29.839 --> 00:51:47.040 we want to try and en enhance encourage that as much as possible where it makes sense so those are the decisions we'd make but I'm not saying we're doing this is what we submitted for the grant and it's roughly 2600 ft bridgeto bridge there's there's there's six acres of 161 00:51:47.040 --> 00:52:05.040 property there and that are shaded and then I've got all the purple areas is of purple lines are the outfalls that drain the roadway. Um, this project would would replace those pipes or or uh um and and u uh or line them and and this 162 00:52:05.040 --> 00:52:21.359 is the the the basically the project area. We've had to provide this information. I had to put this together. No consultant did this. I had to put this together because they wanted to know every point of uh latitude and longitude for everything along that stretch there. But we got the information. This is how we stay in the game. we're staying in the grant 163 00:52:21.359 --> 00:52:38.319 eligibility standpoint. So, I wanted to show you that that we are working on on these things. You don't see a road, you don't see any improvements, but we're still behind the scenes at it. So, so I I I told you it'd be quick here. Here it is. We, you know, discussion you want to 164 00:52:38.319 --> 00:52:55.920 flip to yours. >> Can I show my presentation before discussion? >> Sure. >> Can you exit out of here? Thank you. >> Is yours on here? Uh yes, it's >> uh there's a different uh slide. 165 00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:20.319 Um Huh. >> About an hour ago >> uh at 156. Yeah. >> It may not have gotten to >> Was that the other one? >> They got it. I should wait for them. Hold on. 166 00:53:24.720 --> 00:53:45.880 This only has two slides here. >> Well, since we're limited on time, I'm just going to start with >> So, they're in the browser. >> There we go. >> You have control. You should have the mouse up there. >> Yes. 167 00:53:51.760 --> 00:54:10.240 Um, I got to turn this on. >> It might not. >> Well, uh, >> I'll control I if I >> if you go to number the other the previous one. >> Yeah. Yeah. Number one. 168 00:54:10.240 --> 00:54:28.160 Uh, thank you. So um the first image is an aerial shot of West Causeway. Uh it's a simple drainage solution proposed by a former resident who was a civil engineer. His estimate including uh raising West Causeway 4 to 6 in was 169 00:54:28.160 --> 00:54:44.160 between 2 and 2.5 million including engineering permitting and construction. uh by raising West Causeway 4 to 6 in and adding directional drainage retention treatment, storm water alfall structures and landscaping for 170 00:54:44.160 --> 00:55:04.480 beautifification. It provides a comprehensive solution. If we go to the next one, thank you. Uh that is uh the existing outfall structures which what the city has on file and it reflects the current condition. And then uh the next one 171 00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:23.680 again please that is on our uh website. Um it's a description from the city website about uh West Causeway improvements that's been on there for quite some time. Um I don't have the time to read through read through that. But uh if you go back to 172 00:55:23.680 --> 00:55:43.839 the budget and then uh of course this was a West Causeway budget line item for 400,000 uh currently to be spent by September 30th. So my question to Charles of course is uh how much have we spent to 173 00:55:43.839 --> 00:56:01.200 date and how much do we expect to spend by the end of the fiscal year? I don't think we've done any work out there, have we? Th >> this money, from what I understand, it was for miscellaneous drainage improvements out there. It wasn't for 174 00:56:01.200 --> 00:56:18.559 any major project or anything or design. It was it was just a uh some money that had been assigned to that line item. >> Thank you. And then if you go to that uh image on the left number two, uh this is AI rendering uh using the same palms that are in the center median 175 00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:35.680 on the east causeway uh in the median and then along with safety and privacy hedges uh and more cost-effective palms with lighting along and within Paradise and Treasure Lane. So that's something I do with the AI. Um, I think that would look 176 00:56:35.680 --> 00:56:51.359 great for West Causeway and it mirror East Causeway and it's the entrance to our city. >> That's very very attractive. We we're looking at something very similar for that. The the uh the hedges along the along both sides for privacy. Um we don't want trucks driving through there 177 00:56:51.359 --> 00:57:07.119 like they're doing right now, >> right? >> Um the the uh the Majul Palms are experiencing a bit of a blight. I don't know if you've heard that, but we've had to take a few of them out. they they get the disease and you cannot replace one because once that disease gets in the 178 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:24.000 ground there, it cannot be put back because it's contaminated and you can't do anything about it. We would like to do if we could find another type of palm that isn't isn't quite as uh as prone to disease, but that's that I just wanted to point that out is very 179 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:40.559 attractive, but we have had problems with it. >> I think St. Maybe beach replace many of those palms on blind pass road as well. That's all I had. >> Well, this this is more this is, you know, very helpful because this is what 180 00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:57.359 we would probably end up doing with the um u with the non-grant project if we went that route, more of a scaled down version. I I I've used the drainage system that your your your friend showed you. Um, the problem is that if the 181 00:57:57.359 --> 00:58:12.559 groundwater table is too high, it doesn't work. You can see the bio swells on the east causeway, how during the rainy season, they're just like a, you know, it's swampy out there and mosquitoes and things. This would be underground, but it the swift mud won't give you credit for it if it's going to if it's not going to be percolating. 182 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:29.280 It's got to perk, it's got to recover. So, I mean, we can do something similar to that. Um, I I would rather it I don't want to get into details now, but it's it's in the right direction, though. Yes. >> Any consensus with the commission? 183 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:50.520 >> I at this point I don't have any consensus. >> She likes the picture. So, all right. So, then uh let's move on to our third item tonight. Uh and our financial report, second quarter 2026. 184 00:59:06.160 --> 00:59:23.599 I think it's this one. So, good evening, major commissioners, city managers, city clerk, city attorney. So, this is the second quarter financial report. I'm going to try to be uh short but with the accurate numbers. H one more thing. If I had to provide this two weeks ago, 185 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:39.359 sometimes journal entries takes 30 days to to hit the the previous uh month. So um and then if I change it, the commission may ask for the tracks changes and and things like that. So I need some advice on how to present this. 186 00:59:39.359 --> 00:59:54.559 Otherwise, I will be doing it twice doing it on on the 15 then going back for for changes later. But I'll do whatever the the commission wants on on these. I don't think we needed it two weeks in advance, but prior to the meeting is what we were asking. 187 00:59:54.559 --> 01:00:14.319 >> Okay. So, so it doesn't have the like the Friday Friday uh deadline uh just to have couple days before. Is that okay? Uh for for for the next quarter fin >> I think I think a couple days before 188 01:00:14.319 --> 01:00:29.920 would again would be helpful to have >> okay that that worked for me. >> Yes. And the financials are a little bit different than some of our the workshops because they do require some number crunching uh before you you know before when you see it on the screen here for the first time. It's hard to to do that 189 01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:44.880 number crunching. >> I just wanted some some advice on how to proceed for for the third quarter. So >> all right. Thank you. >> Okay. So here are are the revenues and uh for for the general fund I I do expect to go uh better than budgeted but 190 01:00:44.880 --> 01:01:02.400 lower than last year. So these are the the two variances. So the first column here represent the variance against the budget and this line here represents the variance against uh last year. Um this this revenue here line is based on 191 01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:17.359 flows. This is something we we cannot control. So the flows that we projected were uh more flows than 2025 when we had the hurricane but less flows than 2024. is just doesn't it's not materializing 192 01:01:17.359 --> 01:01:33.119 uh uh in in the flows. However, when I present the next uh slide uh you will see also savings on expenses because we're not paying so many too much flows to the city of St. Petersburg for treatment. 193 01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:52.720 So this this line here for for the wastewater h goes both ways. Before you go off that slide, uh, real quickly, the building fund, and this is where, again, I appreciated getting this a little bit in advance, but the building fund, uh, of revenue, uh, just 194 01:01:52.720 --> 01:02:08.559 in the first six months of this year is already ahead of the fullear budget. Uh, and that and that's from bu from, uh, permits. So, it's I think that's very encouraging. It's a very strong indicator of the reinvestment and re redevelopment activity going on across 195 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:25.440 the city and the residential areas. Uh which which is very important because that's 80% of our our property tax revenue comes from that. So that anyway that's pretty impressive that that number is already ahead of the fullear budget. and and thank you for bringing it. I almost forgot to talk about the 196 01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:42.640 building fund and as you see this year so far for the building fund we got 843,000 that is exceeding the whole budget for for the whole year. Now when I see when you see my projections I didn't just multiply that by two and the reason is 197 01:02:42.640 --> 01:03:00.000 if you look at last year uh the first uh two months uh two quarters we got 584 but we ended only with 734. So, I don't know if it's a trend that we get most of the permits done in the first half of the year. I don't know. I hope I am wrong and and we get it twice. 198 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:15.760 >> Yeah. No, last year we refunded a lot of permits. >> That happened to last last year. Correct. >> I have a question for uh fund 420, the wastewater fund. Why are we so far below budget? >> Oh, I I just explain is because of the 199 01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:32.799 flow. We're not we're receiving less flows and and people pay based on flows and usage and and the the flows are not coming as projected, >> but you will see some saving also on the flows on the expense size. >> Switching to the bill the u building 200 01:03:32.799 --> 01:03:49.039 fund. Uh that's where we made the $1.1 million loan. Correct. >> Correct. So, >> so that what what we're seeing here is that the projection is going to be a little over a million dollars better, 201 01:03:49.039 --> 01:04:05.760 but that we still need to pay back the general fund, the 1.1 million >> one. So, when we are balancing the budget, I'm going to recommend this is how much if is the 100% is going to be 100%. So, I'm going to recommend what what is the hurty way to to go if it's in two years, if it's the the whole 202 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:21.839 thing in one year. So when the the year ends, I'm going to throw everything up and I'm going to recommend what how much is going to be paid to the generative fund. >> Has anything been paid back yet? >> No, we we didn't set up monthly payments or anything like that is to ours. So 203 01:04:21.839 --> 01:04:38.160 it's better to to be when we are balancing the budget where the general fund right now at this point is not asking for cash flow. So I think it's better to do it at the end of the year. >> Yeah. and and the the 843,000 that's showing year to date here in revenue, 204 01:04:38.160 --> 01:04:56.000 that's from permit revenue. It's not from the loan. >> Correct. That's revenue. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Okay. The these are the the three uh revenue lines that uh commissioners uh 205 01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:12.000 like to see is the property taxes. And for property taxes, we got so far $9.6 million. in the first 6 months and as you know you get the bulk of this money in the first uh 3 four months so I don't expect to get much more of that I do 206 01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:27.200 expect to go better than what we budgeted but less than last year budget uh actuals and then we we are doing very well on on the parking and this parking revenue doesn't include the summer month so I I 207 01:05:27.200 --> 01:05:46.400 expect to get a lot more revenues on on on this Okay. And and just a a point of clarification on here too, that plus or minus budget. We budgeted a property tax revenue to be down 8.3%. Uh and through the first 6 months, uh 208 01:05:46.400 --> 01:06:03.520 it's only down 4.7%. So that's very encouraging as well. >> Is is better than what I thought is coming better. Yes. >> Okay. Well, but but you know when when I present the budget and I balance the budget in the revenue side, I'm very 209 01:06:03.520 --> 01:06:20.359 conservative. So sometimes uh the numbers are going to beat my budget because uh and then in the expense side I I try to uh elevate it a little bit in the in the revenue side. I'm conservative. So So this is expected 210 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:38.640 and this is in the operating expenses. Um I I'm not concerned about the negative 646 uh,000 negative because I had not done the budget amendment for couple of hurricane expenses and we're talking about $241,000 211 01:06:38.640 --> 01:06:53.680 that we got the the revenue for insurance and I have to just elevate the expense side. Uh also the the legal expense uh we is coming higher than than budgeted based on the contract that that we signed. Uh we also had some election 212 01:06:53.680 --> 01:07:08.559 uh expenses that were not budgeted and and such. So I'm going to bring a a budget amendment listing all of those items. Now for the operating side, I just wait for the last three months because I don't want to bring budget amendments every in every meeting and 213 01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:32.720 that's why I I had not bring those yet. And as you see in the wastewater side, we're saving $1.1 million because we're not paying uh the the high usage uh to city of St. Petersburg. This is the personal cost. Uh so I don't 214 01:07:32.720 --> 01:07:49.280 expect any any negative impact. Uh this these numbers are are not material. you see a lot of saving here on the solid waste fund is because we we're closing at the end of this this year we're closing that fund. So the this year is is the last year you are going to see 215 01:07:49.280 --> 01:08:14.480 that fund on on the presentations. These are the budget amendment that we had brought uh since uh last quarter. So this is one uh by one everything that this uh commission has approved and this is leaving us with uh $5.8 216 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:32.159 million in the reserve set aside and I like to mention in every meeting what what this means is this is money available for commission priorities. However, this is also money uh I I don't recommend to spend to spend it all 217 01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:48.480 because this is also money to balance the budget for the next five years. So, uh when I bring the budget and I'm glad that Gary brought this item for for talking points because now based on your priorities, we're going to put it and this is going to be part of our budget. 218 01:08:48.480 --> 01:09:04.000 So this year se different than last year I'm going to be recommending I'm going to be projecting how we're going to finance that these projects in five years. So it's not going to be only one year like last year we rush everything. I was here only one month. So this year 219 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:24.719 I I we're going to work all the way to five years on on the funding. So I expect here to to have a little bit more money in the building fund this year and then we're going to take from this money to 220 01:09:24.719 --> 01:09:41.759 repay the the the general fund >> for reserves. Uh what is the amount of reserves we're holding for uh in cash for safety and prudent management? >> For what? I'm sorry. for what is the amount of reserves we're holding for CA 221 01:09:41.759 --> 01:09:56.960 holding in cash for safety and prudent management >> management of the city and safety. That's a question for Charlie. Maybe >> I I I really think maybe what you're referring to in Victor's language was 222 01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:12.000 the reserve and the contingency. And previous to last budget year, the city had none that we could determine in past years. So, we've given you both and we can resend you the the budget with that 223 01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:29.600 page if if if you need a refresher, but we don't the the prudent and safety are not terms that are in our budget that I remember. I I can I can answer what reserves we have which is uh three months of operating expenses 224 01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:46.320 and this is not this and we also have a 10% contingency uh reserve for where it cost our community is hurty to have that reserve just in case we get hit and you know how how long FEMA takes to repay us back so we need to have some reserve for 225 01:10:46.320 --> 01:11:02.640 emergency and and we have that set up aside 10% and then we have the I call Please reserve the set aside reserve and which is the one that you can put your hands on the pocket. >> Can you email the commission uh the list of categories and calculations for each 226 01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:18.000 of the reserves? >> Yes, I'd be glad to. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> All right. Do you have anything left in your presentation? >> Just the the catch uh flow. This is the the cash enhance. I want to explain a little bit what the concentration 227 01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:33.840 account means. And this is basically the the money that we have and we are operating right now. As you see the accounts payable uh bank account has a zero balance and the payer the credit cards they they have zero balance. That means that when we pay our vendors our 228 01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:50.480 contractors our monthly payments bi-weekly we we take from the concentration account. The bank takes from the concentration account. When we pay salary to our staff that that take from the concentration account. So concentrate is core concentration because this is what we have to operate. 229 01:11:50.480 --> 01:12:06.080 >> That was one of my questions. Thank you. But are there any limitations or designations for the concentration account? >> In what regard? What limitations? >> Any limitations or designations? >> No, we don't have we have to have one $1 balance is not hurty. I would not 230 01:12:06.080 --> 01:12:25.600 recommend that. >> Uh but there's no limitation. We can have all there. However, I want to have some in the in the money market and and making interest on on those monies. >> All right. Is that the end of your presentation? >> That that's the end. 231 01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:43.719 >> Okay. All right. So, we're running a little bit late, but uh I do want to uh to do our last item here, which is public comment. And I do have a uh message from or a note for Mark Hoey. 232 01:12:45.679 --> 01:13:03.520 >> Uh thank you Mark Hoey 225 104th Avenue District 3. Um just quickly I do want to reiterate from the public standpoint having that information for the from the meeting or to be presented at the meeting in advance is very important. 233 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:18.560 And again, not two weeks, Victor, but two or three days makes a big difference, especially with the financial ones. I mean, that that's a lot to cover. So, I just want to reiterate that's a good idea to reinstate that even for workshops. Um, 234 01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:36.400 couple of things on Gary's. Uh, I I want to stand in support of his comment of infrastructure first with regards to our project priorities uh and to get those taken care of. I know we have cosmetic needs and wants and the look of the 235 01:13:36.400 --> 01:13:52.320 properties and everything, but we've got to get the infrastructure done first. So, I fully agree with that. Interesting though, Gary, I learned a new term here. Filled land acquisition. Filled land acquisition. So, that's interesting. And and whether or not it's 236 01:13:52.320 --> 01:14:09.920 public record of who owns that parcel that's in the middle of the public works property, maybe that will come. But hopefully we'll get a better deal as a city in being able to buy that cheaply, just like we sold our Pirate Square 237 01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:26.000 postage stamp to a private entity cheaply. So, let's hope so. Um, the West Causeway thing is of interest. It is the gateway. We all drive it. We all hit the potholes. We all see the dirt path that 238 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:43.199 people cutting through and all that. But it's interesting that uh yeah that 9.2 million figure for redoing that if some of you will remember that's a vestage of elevate TI when we were going to make it 2 and 1/2 ft higher or 4 feet higher or 239 01:14:43.199 --> 01:15:00.480 whatever that time brought us. So that's why the price tag hopefully uh the grant right uh the grant payers will realize that we could do with less and give us some funding for it but it's certainly no reason to think that we're going to spend that kind of money to redo the 240 01:15:00.480 --> 01:15:15.520 causeway. And then the only last thing was really on the financing. Um yes he acknowledged we haven't paid back that 1.1 million that's still hanging over our head. Um and the reserve 241 01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:32.800 money, not the contingency reserve, but the reserve for uh spending has diminished. And as he indicated clearly, we're going to be on a five-year path to borrowing. He's going to come back to you, meaning us, wanting to have a 242 01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:49.600 five-year plan to borrow to replenish that and keep the city going. So, I just want everybody to be aware of that. There's consequences uh to the spending. So, we should be uh should be aware of that and keep our eyes open for what comes with this budget and how much the 243 01:15:49.600 --> 01:16:03.520 financing will need to be and how much that's going to cost the city and how much of it's going to be passed on to taxpayers. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mark. All right, it's uh a little more than 10 minutes after 6. 244 01:16:03.520 --> 01:26:19.280 Let's uh reconvene at 6:20. going to call this meeting to order. Good evening and welcome to the regular commission meeting May 5th, 2026. Uh we earlier did the pledge of allegiance, so we're going to uh do our roll call, please. 245 01:26:19.280 --> 01:26:38.639 Good evening. Commissioner Clark >> here. >> Commissioner Sison >> here. >> Commissioner Dicki >> here. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez >> here. Mayor Doctor >> here. >> Thank you. >> All right. We do not have any approval of regular or approval of regular and workshop 246 01:26:38.639 --> 01:26:59.840 agendas. Any changes, comments? All right, we'll move on. No proclamations, recognition, certificates of appreciation. So, now we're down to public comments for non-aggenda items. And the first one, uh, Grant Smith. 247 01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:16.239 Oh, I'm sorry. Let me uh one other item. We are going to reduce from five minutes per person down to three minutes per person. We've got a pretty hefty and if everybody takes their full three minutes, we're into a couple hours. So 248 01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:36.639 >> have a document here I'd like you to circulate. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners, thanks for the opportunity to speak. A couple meetings ago, I referenced a hierarchal chart which is being distributed to you which essentially outlines the management of 249 01:27:36.639 --> 01:27:52.480 the city. I thought it was worth revisiting this before we have discussions regarding ordinances that the public may have an opinion on. So the hierarchial chart is essentially many of you familiar with it. It's a breakdown of the direct reports in the 250 01:27:52.480 --> 01:28:07.360 chain of command within the city. Typically the highest ranking individual or group is at the top and the subordinates are below. As you can see with the city of Treasure Island, at the very top you find the residents, the citizens of Treasure Island. Directly 251 01:28:07.360 --> 01:28:24.480 below those, you find the mayor and city commission. This essentially means that the foundational authority for our city and decision making comes from the residents. You all derive your authority from the citizens and you derive that authority through voting, public input, 252 01:28:24.480 --> 01:28:40.080 and participation. You are here as representatives of the citizens and what their wishes are. If your personal opinion deviates from that of the citizens, you have lost your legitimacy as a ruler. 253 01:28:40.080 --> 01:28:55.280 As you vote on ordinances and as you consider them, please consider what the bulk or the majority of the citizens want. And if you don't know, find out before you cast a vote. It's irresponsible to vote without 254 01:28:55.280 --> 01:29:12.480 understanding the wishes of the city. Please recognize who you're representing and you're representing the city. Nowhere in here does it say developers. That's it. Thank you. 255 01:29:12.480 --> 01:29:36.080 Thank you, Grant. Carrie Arbach. Good evening everyone. Thank you for your time. Just wanted to give you a little bit of an update on the grant from Keep Penelis Beautiful in Volunteer Florida. Um it was a $100,000 grant. And we have had uh we've had 21 specific 256 01:29:36.080 --> 01:29:52.320 locations on the beach trail, city beach entranceways and parking lots and two on beach locations, 11 of which have been completed since January. So we have quite a few um items. um if you want to mark this down or you can check social 257 01:29:52.320 --> 01:30:08.400 media for these dates. But on Friday, May 8th from 10 to 11:00, the last of our educational series at Sunset Vista Park is on coastal awareness. It's a really great um uh chat uh talk from Devon Frank uh at Keep Penelis 258 01:30:08.400 --> 01:30:23.679 Beautiful. I've watched him do it once and it's really amazing, eyeopening. Um free parking across from 7-Eleven. On Saturday, May 9th is the regular uh Trevor Island adopt a beach monthly cleanup at Sun Coast Sailing. Free 259 01:30:23.679 --> 01:30:39.280 parking across the street at the municipal lot. And at the same time, Richard Harris will be doing his cleanup at Caddy's uh down on Sunset Beach. On Monday, May 25th at 6:00 p.m. It will be an evening sunset cleanup after Memorial 260 01:30:39.280 --> 01:30:55.920 Day. Um that it means a lot for anybody who can come out. Um the beach will be ready for a cleanup, that's for sure. Um and then the big one on Friday and Saturday, May 29th and 30, we have over 21,000 sea oats to plant and so we'll be 261 01:30:55.920 --> 01:31:12.719 planting them behind uh west of the Jamaican. We have specific locations that we'll map out. Uh but we could use all hands on deck. Um it's going to be from 10 to 12:00 on both days. will be meeting at the municipal lot again and 262 01:31:12.719 --> 01:31:27.840 there'll be uh volunteers to direct you to the beach. Um if you haven't planted sea oats, it is a huge amount of fun and it's going to be amazing to see how we put this all together with 21,000 sea oats. Um Saturday, June 20th, after the 263 01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:43.920 Sunset Beach Pavilion grand opening earlier that month, we'll be planting um a beautiful uh rendering of plants, native plants there. We want to do it after the grand opening because these are going to be smaller plants. We don't want them trampled on. Um so we'll be 264 01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:59.840 celebrating that um and planting. The fire department will be sending some volunteers down. So it' be great to have you guys come and join me. Um and don't forget turtle season. We're now officially in it. Um and uh we're there till October 31st. So keep your eye on 265 01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:19.280 the beach for holes and castles. Knock them down, fill them in. And uh that's all I have. Thank you. Thank you very much, Carrie. Mark Hoey. >> Uh, good evening. Mark Hoey, 225 104th Avenue, District 3. Uh, one, a quick 266 01:32:19.280 --> 01:32:34.560 followup from a comment in the last meeting, and that was about workshops, when should they be, what's best, and how it fits. Very much a conundrum. I have the luxury of being retired, so it really doesn't matter to me. I'll come 267 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:50.400 early or late or whatever. But we do have a lot of residents who are working and and one of the issues that came up by moving it earlier was it cut down their ability to be here in time to participate and I think we see that in the crowds are much smaller at that 268 01:32:50.400 --> 01:33:05.360 time. Now the topics make a difference too. Uh but I would strongly encourage whatever way you go on the workshops that you try to make it more inclusive. Uh yeah, nobody wants a midnight one, but uh I think it's helpful that we get 269 01:33:05.360 --> 01:33:22.000 as many residents to the workshops as we can. Item two, I want to thank uh city manager and staff for uh making a difference in starting a little bit of beautifification on some of the commercial properties that are in disrepair along Treasure Island. Uh 270 01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:38.800 there was must have been at least a little encouragement uh to get the folks at the club to remove that dilapidated brick wall that had been laying there for 18 months. And so we thank you for that at the start. Uh I would ask that you put a little encouragement also 271 01:33:38.800 --> 01:33:56.719 towards uh the property owners of the uh Tahesian and also the Thunderbird. Um, those of you that walk the beach side of those properties, as I do regularly, have seen that steadily deteriorate, uh, down to the point where the, uh, the 272 01:33:56.719 --> 01:34:14.000 Thunderbird has now become a canvas for, uh, graffiti art, and that's only going to get worse. You know, as long as that exists and there's access to the property like there is, it's just going to deteriorate further. So, appreciate a little help on that. Maybe we can get uh 273 01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:33.440 that cleaned up enough until such time that decisions about redevelopment are made. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mark. Sarah Pennington. >> Hi, Sarah Pennington. Isa Palms. Um I actually wanted to touch on the same topic that Mark Hoey just brought up 274 01:34:33.440 --> 01:34:50.719 about the workshop timings. Um, even though it can make a longer day, I do think moving the workshops back to the end of the meetings will allow much more flexibility for those workshop times. Sometimes we have a workshop at 5:00 and it's done at 5:20 and now we've wasted 40 minutes of of people's time. So, I 275 01:34:50.719 --> 01:35:05.920 think it would be great if we moved them even though it's longer. Um, I don't know what the feasibility is as far as moving our six o'clock meeting up to 5:30. Could that help offset that? Is that possible? I don't know. And as far as public works, I wanted to say that I think Gary is just doing such a 276 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:22.560 fantastic job. I liked his idea of a public works workshop quarterly to give us updates on what's happening in public works because there is a lot going on that the citizens don't realize, but I also had the idea of our public information officer does a really great 277 01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:45.199 job of communicating what's going on. So, what about including a section in the weekly email newsletter updating us on what's happening in public works? That could be very useful. Thanks. >> Great. Thank you, Sarah. >> Okay, we do not have a any approval of 278 01:35:45.199 --> 01:36:02.960 minutes. We do not have a consent agenda. And we're moving on to item H. First item of business, ordinance 2026-10, plan development. Ordinance number 2026-10, an ordinance of the city of Treasure 279 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:20.320 Island in Florida amending chapter 68, article 5 entitled zoning districts by amending 686 68-191 to create a new planned development PD zoning district and amending article 6 zoning district regulations by creating 280 01:36:20.320 --> 01:36:37.520 a new division 12 which includes sections 68-441, 68-412 268-413 68-414 68-415 68-416 281 01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:52.960 68-417 68-418 68-419 68-420 68-421 68-422 68-423 282 01:36:52.960 --> 01:37:08.239 68-424 and 68425 for the purpose of creating zoning district regulations, standards, and criteria for planned development zoning district. Providing for severability, providing for conflict, providing for 283 01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:27.040 codification, and providing for an effective date and you have the um ordinance before you. I can walk you through it or we could take some public comment first and then we could discuss it. But the ordinance as posted on the agenda with 284 01:37:27.040 --> 01:37:43.040 the link uh creates the new plan development zoning district. Um it has the purpose and intent, the applicability. Um the all PDS must be consistent with both the Treasure Island comprehensive plan and the countywide plan. There' be a required 285 01:37:43.040 --> 01:37:59.600 pre-application meeting, a required neighborhood information meeting. Um the application for an individual PD would have to have a schedule of permitted uses and locate those uses on a parcel. Um it would have the application would have to contain the dimensional criteria 286 01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:16.159 that the applicant was seeking. They would have to expressly list any deviations that would not be met by a proposed individual PD from the underlying zoning category. Um they would include in their application all public benefits and community 287 01:38:16.159 --> 01:38:32.239 enhancements that are voluntarily offered by the applicant. Um that contains in the ordinance the application requirements for the PD zoning, all the technical requirements that would be submitted including how many copies and what kind of 288 01:38:32.239 --> 01:38:49.360 calculations and open space ratios and buffering standards proposed proposed criteria. Um, >> quite a few there in 68-420. And then the standard review criteria 289 01:38:49.360 --> 01:39:06.800 are in 68421. That is how the uh city commission or council would review them in the future when they got individual applications, what criteria you would be applying to them. and design review criteria and guidelines and 68422 290 01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:23.199 and in 68423 a requirement that a development agreement be entered into under the Florida Local Government Development Agreement Act and which contains a whole list of criteria and standards including annual reports on the progress of the 291 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:39.440 plan development. Um 68424 would require unified ownership control um which could be accomplished a number of ways including setting up an association property owners association to govern it if it's not owned by an individual 292 01:39:39.440 --> 01:39:56.639 person. Um 68-425 allows the city to uh seek and recover reimbursement of expenses that were incurred in reviewing the PD application, including surveyors, planners, engineers, legal services, advertising, and anything that might 293 01:39:56.639 --> 01:40:13.280 have been incurred in the application review process. So, this gives you opportunity to see what a PD ordinance looks like and what what's in there. I know you guys have talked about it for a long time. Um, you can add things to this list, you can take things out, you can modify them. 294 01:40:13.280 --> 01:40:28.560 This is just first reading. Um, but it does give you an opportunity to take a look at what's in there and see what adjustments you want to make and I can keep track of them as we go along and we can uh reschedu a second first reading. You can go on to a second reading. Um, 295 01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:44.560 you can make changes tonight or you can ask for changes be brought back for second reading at the next meeting. >> Okay. >> So, you have quite a lot of options. It's just getting started. All right. Do we have a motion, please? >> I move to approve ordinance 2026-10 296 01:40:44.560 --> 01:41:02.159 and schedule a second and final reading. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion from here? If not, we'll move on to public comment. >> Sure. Yeah, I'd like to discuss it. I hope I can find my uh 297 01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:17.920 Yeah. And I just have four or five slides here. One one is uh regarding this ordinance as it's written. Uh I was I was hugely disappointed when I saw it because uh when we met last I had I had 298 01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:34.639 requested that some safeguards be put into it and they they didn't. But really I I Billy it comes down to three issues. The the first one is RFM30 and I don't know how RFM30 keeps get getting thrown into this uh equation because the this commission has voted several times to 299 01:41:34.639 --> 01:41:50.560 have have it removed from consideration and the next time I turn around it's back in there again. I'd love to understand how that happens. But anyway, the we we made a specific uh conscious decision to leave the residential neighbor uh zones out. We left RU75 and 300 01:41:50.560 --> 01:42:07.760 we left RM15 out. uh those are you know very clearly heavily heavily you if not 100% residential uh our FM30 and the reason I've kept asking if to keep these out of consideration for uh for uh PDS 301 01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:22.880 is it it is primarily residential it's 92% of the properties uh in in RFM30 are residential it's a ratio of 11:1 residential versus non-residential I don't know how high 302 01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:37.840 we'd have to get the non or how low we'd have to get the non-residential down to what 1% 2% before before everybody would agree to leave it out. But my argument and before we move on to any of the other things I I would like to see if we 303 01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:56.360 could if we could again get consensus from this group that that we could move forward with PDS with this option with the RFM30 out of it. >> All right. Any anyone else have any thoughts? >> I'm in agreement with that. 304 01:42:57.199 --> 01:43:11.520 >> Okay. I am uh I am not in agreement with that. I am uh opposed. Um and basically it it comes back to there's a lot of work to be done on this plan development. Uh I mean it's going to be 305 01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:28.719 months uh if not longer. Um and what we need to do is we're just eliminating everything. But uh the one thing that we take a look at is that uh the LPA basically does include that and if we're going to do a plan development 306 01:43:28.719 --> 01:43:50.880 uh with the agreement on where we are on the LPA that uh we need to uh to move forward as is is written. I'd like to hear from the other commissioners. Personally, I think we need the the 307 01:43:50.880 --> 01:44:06.159 options. Um, I don't know that I necessarily I mean, there's a lot of of hotel motel in RFM30. So, 92% residential seems very high. Maybe it's correct, maybe it's 308 01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:22.400 not. Um, but I think we need the options. again. I mean, right now they could definitely go to 5T or 5T, forgive me, five uh five over one now as it stands. So maybe we negotiate 309 01:44:22.400 --> 01:44:38.480 they don't because we don't want the canyon effect and we get more public benefit out of it. So I I am for leaving it in. >> I am for leaving in as well. >> All right. 310 01:44:38.480 --> 01:44:54.320 Okay. I I do have a couple other sites. I'll try to go through them quickly. >> Okay. >> Uh the other thing uh I wanted to talk about was the minimum acreage. Uh I had uh recommended the first time around that we limit the the the minimum size 311 01:44:54.320 --> 01:45:10.800 of of a parcel or property to one uh acre. Uh and looking at Florida other Florida communities and and uh and how they handle PDS. You know, we we've heard from this uh dis from many many times that all these other cities do do 312 01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:26.960 PDS and and city of Treasure Island was doing well. Most other cities do PDS with with safeguards with guardrails in them. They don't just have an open-ended one like what we're looking at voting at today. Uh looking at what some of the other cities in the state are doing, you 313 01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:44.320 can see uh a number of cities require minimum acreage. uh typically a few acres before PDS can even be considered. Others uh don't state a specific number but still control a project size through zoning tiers uh overlays and density 314 01:45:44.320 --> 01:46:00.560 limits. What's uncommon is what we are are asked to vote on today and that's having no minimum acreage or no indirect size controls. If you take a look at these different categories that I I obviously didn't look at every city in 315 01:46:00.560 --> 01:46:16.960 in in Florida, but I looked at a few here, but these are some other cities that have uh the the in category one up here, explicit minimum average acreage rather uh in that built into their building code. It's actually written in there in their PD codes. Tallahassee 3 316 01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:33.520 acres, Hollywood 2 to 10 acres depending on the zone. New Cern Beach 1 to five acres. I won't read through all those, but you get the point. So, most a lot of cities have made the determination that PDS aren't a good idea for small properties. That's why they put that in 317 01:46:33.520 --> 01:46:49.199 here. Some other cities uh in this category 2 don't specifically have a an acreage uh uh item in there, but they do uh control size through again density tiers, uh overlays, and sight specific 318 01:46:49.199 --> 01:47:04.480 rules. Uh what we're being asked to consider here today is something that's closer to what MadiRaa Beach has uh which has no clear minimum acreage or size controls. It relies heavily on case bycase decisions. Uh we have basically 319 01:47:04.480 --> 01:47:21.679 an open-ended PD for consideration here that has no minimum acreage. It has broad applicability and has high LPA and commission direction. Now, the problem with that is this is what one of our LPA uh members 320 01:47:21.679 --> 01:47:40.320 who's who's very uh a big proponent of it. He this is what he posted on on on uh social media over the weekend saying, "Hey, come to this commission meeting on Tuesday night cuz there's exciting projects to Treasure Island." And this is what his vision of of uh what our 321 01:47:40.320 --> 01:47:55.840 downtown might look like. At least this is what he chose to put put on there, which if that's not his vision, I'm not sure why he would have chosen that particular slide. But nonetheless, uh why minimum acreage matters? Well, uh it PDS work better for large sites. I 322 01:47:55.840 --> 01:48:11.040 mean, it it's not a you know, this isn't rocket science. You know, uh when you use it for for for some if you don't have specific limitations, any property owner can ask for uh consideration through a PD. Let me reszone to PD. let 323 01:48:11.040 --> 01:48:27.840 my request let me request deviations to the city's building codes regardless of the the parcel size. Uh it also allows uh for spot zoning and I don't think anybody would say that spot zoning is a good practice. Uh and it ensures meaningful public uh benefits. What the 324 01:48:27.840 --> 01:48:43.199 most important uh thing I have on this slide here is is uh PD flexibility is often justified by saying that uh uh it's going to we're going to have these infrastructure improvements. Uh small small parcels can't realistically 325 01:48:43.199 --> 01:48:59.199 provide meaningful public benefits. So the small properties get the flexibility uh but the city and the residents get precious little benefit. Uh la lastly here that the you know we've got all this uh we're going to be reviewing on 326 01:48:59.199 --> 01:49:15.840 in these meetings and LPA meetings a lot of PDS on very small properties. So this is my last slide mayor here actually uh let's talk a little bit about the timing uh or pace of this whole process. Uh I picked this up somebody posted this over 327 01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:32.639 the weekend. This is uh uh I thought it was very well thought out that this I feel like and a lot of residents I think feel like this is being pushed through. It is not being thought through. Uh mayor on March 10th uh you specifically during the during the review we had with 328 01:49:32.639 --> 01:49:49.520 the three master plan finalist you asked can a development plan uh of a PD ordinance and a master plan run parallel. You asked that to each one of the the presenters and they each uh uh not surprisingly said yes that they could. But this is not parallel. This is 329 01:49:49.520 --> 01:50:04.800 we're way ahead. We barely started on the master plan and we we're here talking about voting on a PD amendment in in today's meeting. During the April 16th of LPA meeting last uh couple weeks 330 01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:21.679 ago, uh the vice chair of that committee asked if the economic development director had reviewed the draft and the answer was no. And the city attorney said at that time, I admit this is traveling very quickly. So again, what why why were why everybody even the vice 331 01:50:21.679 --> 01:50:36.400 chair is saying hey as the economic development director had a chance to look at this and she hadn't had a chance to look at this. Uh Marvin even asked the question and I thought it was a very good one. He said hey this is the first time we've seen a lot of this stuff. Can 332 01:50:36.400 --> 01:50:53.199 we take time to review and analyze the draft? And the chairman uh said no we've just reviewed all this and we've seen everything we need to see. I'll admit I'm pushing this. So, we just we just pushed this thing through. Even some of the LPA members who voted for it asked 333 01:50:53.199 --> 01:51:08.159 for more time to review it, asked if other people could review it, but yet it was pushed through and here it is now in our lap to consider. So, all I'm asking is let's do this thing right. I'm not I'm not opposed to 334 01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:24.159 uh uh uh PDS. I think there's a lot of good things in this ordinance that that but there's too much here that isn't. And I've just asked and I think a lot of others, let's do this thing right. Let's include it as part of our master plan. Let's get the master plan firm to help 335 01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:41.360 us decide where PD should be allowed. Let's not this commission doesn't know this. You know, we think we know it. We just say, oh, you know, that property looks like it needs it, what the minimum size uh makes sense, what what parcels, what building code should be flexible, which should not, and finally, what 336 01:51:41.360 --> 01:51:57.360 benefits public benefits should be required. So, I think we're at this point with this commission right now that that we can either push this ordinance through uh probably with a 3-2 vote and without without broad community support or we can slow this thing down, 337 01:51:57.360 --> 01:52:16.480 get the input from the master plan firm, do this thing right, and we can move forward with a project that has a much broader uh community support. That's all I have. >> Yeah. I'm I'm going to save some of my comments till after I hear the public, 338 01:52:16.480 --> 01:52:32.800 but I I agree with you 100% that this is not parallel and um you know, I think that was kind of the commitment that we had was that you know, we want to run this parallel, have this available once the master plan kind of comes back with 339 01:52:32.800 --> 01:52:47.920 all their analysis. And you know, my whole reason for wanting a master plan was and and I have a feeling you're going to hear tonight, you're going to hear uh people stand up that are completely on both sides of this. And my hope was 340 01:52:47.920 --> 01:53:04.320 that the master plan was going to kind of hopefully bring bring us together and maybe find something that we could all kind of agree on. Um and if we're going to just ram this through, I don't even know why we're wasting our money on a master plan 341 01:53:04.320 --> 01:53:20.639 to be honest with you. Um and you know, I I think I certainly want to see development here. I just it's it's a once in a-lifetime opportunity. I think we need to do it right. And um I'd also like to find something that we could, you know, have the people that want to 342 01:53:20.639 --> 01:53:36.239 build the stuff and the residents both be happy with and kind of hopefully meet in the middle. And I I've made commitments that if we do a master plan and they say we need to use a PD or go higher or do this, I'm going to I'm going to go with that because that's 343 01:53:36.239 --> 01:53:51.760 what we agreed to do with the master plan. But we're jumping we're jumping through that. And what I've learned since I've been doing this is the public is smart and they see exactly what's going on here and they they see right through it. Um you know I I attempted to 344 01:53:51.760 --> 01:54:07.520 find common grant ground directly with some of the developers and that led me on a quite a path that I'll update you guys on here soon in the near future because that's moving along very rapidly. But um yeah, I mean this just this just just doesn't feel doesn't feel 345 01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:42.320 good. All right, we're going to move on to our public comment. And the first person, Joe Mata. >> Okay. Carol Brady, >> do I have a mic here? Okay. Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> All right. Carol Brady, I am at 119504th 346 01:54:42.320 --> 01:54:58.800 Street East on Isa Capri and I'm I'm going to read from some of the things that I wrote and then I'm going to make some comments um to uh referring to some of the ones that have been made up here. But I am in favor of planned 347 01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:15.360 developments. I'm hopeful that this approach will finally bring some architectural interesting buildings to our community instead of the repetitive uh white box style that we see today because that's what we'll have if we continue with 501. Based on the 348 01:55:15.360 --> 01:55:32.800 representations of the three master plan uh master planning firms, it was clear that plan development and and the feasibility study could be conducted at the same time and completed ahead of the full master plan. That opportunity is 349 01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:49.440 something that I don't think that we should miss. I would strongly support moving forward with this process. Now, we've kicked this kicked the can down the road for so many months. We're now working what, a year and a half after the the um the hurricane. We need to do 350 01:55:49.440 --> 01:56:05.040 something and let's you know what and the Thunderbird they've been ready for a long time. Let's start with that. Then you can as you do the PDS and the feasibility study, you can put your guard rails in. You can make your 351 01:56:05.040 --> 01:56:23.440 comments. There's no reason why from um talking with many people reading about PDs, there's no reason why we cannot start and start now. And I hear all this stuff about let's get community support. And I'm 352 01:56:23.440 --> 01:56:40.719 going to tell you, I do talk to a lot of people, you know, I've been on served on many boards in this community. I know a lot of people in this community. They are fearful of coming up here or even sending you an email that they support PDS and and development because they 353 01:56:40.719 --> 01:56:56.719 will be targeted. They know they will. They have a business. They don't want to be targeted. As a matter of fact, I spoke with someone today. I can't do it, Carol. I work here. I work at a store here. And they she's afraid that they 354 01:56:56.719 --> 01:57:14.159 will come after her. And and also people know that every single email after every meeting, there are people out here that will ask um do a FO request asking for every 355 01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:34.360 single email that you commissioners received. People are don't even want to send emails anymore. So let's move with PDs. Your support is out there. Thank you, Carol. Lynn Ors. 356 01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:56.400 >> Good evening. My name is Lynn Ors. I'm at the Treasure Island Tennis and Yach Club condos. I was born and raised here in St. Petersburg. I've lived here my whole life, over 70 years, and I've lived on 357 01:57:56.400 --> 01:58:13.280 uh Treasure Island for 53 years and raised my three children here. I've owned several homes and condos. We all live through what the hurricanes did to Treasure Island. The damage, the flooding, the disruption. 358 01:58:13.280 --> 01:58:28.719 It was real and it exposed how vulnerable we are. So, this isn't a debate about development versus no development. Growth will happen either way. The real question is whether we do it intentionally or let it happen in 359 01:58:28.719 --> 01:58:45.199 ways that leave us just as exposed as before. Planned development means stronger buildings, better drainage, smarter elevation and infrastructure design for storms, not scrambling 360 01:58:45.199 --> 01:59:01.520 afterwards. It means learning from what just happened instead of repeating it. Doing nothing isn't preservation, it's risk. We have a choice. rebuild the same way and hope for a different outcome or 361 01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:16.800 build smarter, safer, and more resilient. There's a small group of people holding us back and it's an embarrassment the way our city looks and it's got to stop. Let's get moving. Planned development is how we protect 362 01:59:16.800 --> 01:59:49.119 this community going forward. >> Thank you, Lynn. Sarah Bascasa. >> Okay, thank you. Don Sne evening, Mr. Mayor, Madam Vice Mayor, commissioners, staff. My name is Don 363 01:59:49.119 --> 02:00:06.159 Snees. I live in aisle of Capri. Uh, I support plan developments. I think they're an important tool. I support a plan development ordinance. It's the right way to create plan developments. But for many of the reasons stated here 364 02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:22.560 tonight, I don't support this ordinance as it's written and I think it needs to be modified uh for really two basic reasons. Um, one, it's way too far ahead of the master planning process. Um, we are spent a lot of time hiring a master 365 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:39.760 planner, going to spend a lot of money on them. They will bring to you good advice, their experience on how development should proceed, including planned developments, and they will be able to provide you advice as to mistakes made by other communities both 366 02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:55.040 in Florida and elsewhere about allowing too much, too big, too dense, etc. um you don't have that advice yet. You don't have the benefit of their experience. You don't have the benefit of what you're paying for. Why make your 367 02:00:55.040 --> 02:01:10.400 decision now on what a plan development ordinance should be before you get that? I don't think that makes much sense. I personally don't think there's anyone out there waiting with a completed plan development application that they're going to submit the day after you do 368 02:01:10.400 --> 02:01:27.040 this ordinance. Okay? It's going to take a lot of time anyway. You all promised or you all made the representation that you could do this in parallel with the master planning process. I don't think that means you have to wait for a master plan at all. But I do think that an important element of that master 369 02:01:27.040 --> 02:01:43.920 planning process was economic analysis of what can be done and what should be done with the properties that are at issue in the master plan. that would be really nice to have if they come back and say listen your current limitations are just not going to allow you to get developed. 370 02:01:43.920 --> 02:02:00.400 You will have broad support from the community and I think all the commission of making those changes. If they come back and say you need to make minor changes that will allow enough growth but will maintain the character and culture of our city then minor changes 371 02:02:00.400 --> 02:02:16.400 are appropriate and we should have maybe some ultimate limits, guard rails, safeguards, whatever you want to call them in just how far you can go rather than what it is now which is the absolute limit of what the county allows. that kind of wild wild west, you 372 02:02:16.400 --> 02:02:32.080 know, is not what we're looking for. You may believe you have the best judgment ultimately to say no to this project and yes to that project. But you're making a change for this community for the next 30 years. We don't know who the next commissioners are going to be. We don't 373 02:02:32.080 --> 02:02:47.440 know what they're going to allow or not allow. We don't know what personal interest they might have that might impact their decisions. So, I'd urge you to go slow, make modest changes ultimately, and wait for what they what you're told. 374 02:02:47.440 --> 02:03:10.800 >> Is that my time? >> Yes, it is. Thank you, Don. >> Bruce Paer. Hello. This I'm Bruce Pauper is of Capri and I'm just here to support the plan development as is and uh I need I really 375 02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:26.560 think that this needs to go forward. It's just been too long and over and over again and I'm hearing the same stuff over and over again. I would like to get this moving. So that's all I have to say. Thank you. >> Thank you, Bruce. 376 02:03:26.560 --> 02:03:56.239 Scott McKenna. Thank you, Scott McKenna, Alec Capri. Um, I agree with some of what was set up here already. Um, and some, um, I don't agree with. I do agree with, uh, the need for PD. I don't think we 377 02:03:56.239 --> 02:04:12.560 need to wait around uh for perfection. Um the master plan has to be done. This should be done in conjunction with the master plan. But this will help us getting to get going. Also um it's not as if this is not changeable. You can 378 02:04:12.560 --> 02:04:29.119 always modify just as you go and you learn you can add those guidelines in there or we take a little bit of time as um Commissioner Dicki had mentioned to consider something that's that's like with the acreage maybe we need to revisit that. Uh seeing the comment in 379 02:04:29.119 --> 02:04:45.520 there that one of the um LPA people said uh we need to talk about this. I think we need to talk a little bit more. Maybe a little bit more time is needed but the PDS are definitely I'm in favor of the PDs. I'd like to see them developed um and and have some more consideration in 380 02:04:45.520 --> 02:05:02.159 there to get a little bit of more of those guardrails like acreage and that type of thing. Um the PE I I read it line for line today. I went through there and I didn't see anything in there that was like off the rails bad. I just I thought Jesus it's pretty thoughtful. 381 02:05:02.159 --> 02:05:19.040 The materials being used uh the the you have to have meetings with people around you. um it has to be done with the uh comprehensive plan and county standards considered. All of those types of things were in there. Um and it's still it's a chance to negotiate it. Not everything's going to be approved. I mean, it said 382 02:05:19.040 --> 02:05:33.760 that right in there. It has to be approved through the LPA. It has to go through there. So, um as I said, I do agree with consideration. However, some in some cases they it's case by case and it has to be approved or disapproved based on a preset, you know, plans and 383 02:05:33.760 --> 02:05:48.639 the master plan considerations and county county regulations. Perhaps there's more time needed as one of the LPA didn't even need it and I I was taking notes as you were as you were talking. Um I say we work through it just a little bit more, but we definitely need it. Um and it can be 384 02:05:48.639 --> 02:06:05.199 modified along the way. And also I just wanted to add that some of the comments that were made uh were you know basically calling one of the LPA members a waste of skin. That was pretty pretty rude. Um anyway also with the last 385 02:06:05.199 --> 02:06:22.480 second just want to say uh there is a food drive on the Ale Capri this Saturday 9:00 a.m. It's in conjunction with the post office. So if you guys have any food stuff to bring by Alak Capri Rosali Park and thanks for your time. Thank you very much, Scott. 386 02:06:22.480 --> 02:06:42.239 >> Chris Downing. Uh, >> evening, uh, Chris Downing, Isa Capri, and member of the PNZ and LPA. Um, first I I want to make sure that everyone understands what supporting 387 02:06:42.239 --> 02:06:57.920 this ordinance will actually do if you include PDS and the land development regulations. uh as it's currently written, you know, allowing PD zoning as will as written essentially allows the property owner to 388 02:06:57.920 --> 02:07:16.400 override or deviate from all of the current LDAS so long as three of the commissioners agree with and and go in favor of it, which puts a lot of power towards a particular zoning request 389 02:07:16.400 --> 02:07:31.599 before this board. And so that means that the current height and density limits that we have in our LDRs are meaningless so long as a particular PD development plan doesn't exceed the county standards. And there's been some 390 02:07:31.599 --> 02:07:49.440 mention tonight about our own city comp plan and how that meshes with all of this. And as Ardan Dicki said in terms of how um we would have guard rails and protections within it that it doesn't have it today. Um, right now, at least the way I understand it and my read on 391 02:07:49.440 --> 02:08:07.280 it is that any particular PD request or reszoning could go as high as any of the county standards, which we know those standards are very high. You know, Clearwater, Madiraa Beach. So, not likely something like that would 392 02:08:07.280 --> 02:08:23.760 happen on any particular parcel in this in this smaller town, but it does give a lot of power to three commissioners to push something through once it because it can always go past the LPA and the planning board to get to the commission, especially those that are along the 393 02:08:23.760 --> 02:08:40.960 beach. So many communities use PDs and I'm in favor to a certain degree if we have the guard rails in place to achieve better outcomes for development growth but they include those guard rails with respect to height and density. There's there's an envelope a guard rail around 394 02:08:40.960 --> 02:08:57.280 it or other factors around it. The intent is to have some flexibility within, you know, how you have some give and take. But if you allow one property and you spot zone that to go much higher, you're changing the look and feel of an entire community. So, we're 395 02:08:57.280 --> 02:09:13.679 at the beginning of the master planning process that's been stated many times already. U we should be doing this in parallel. We've got the cart before the horse tonight. If you vote on this in a positive to to the positive, I think you should absolutely table it at this 396 02:09:13.679 --> 02:09:29.040 point, it needs more work. Um, as we reviewed it on the LPA, the LPA voted, I think it was 6 to2. I was obviously one of the two that voted it down to move it forward. We feel like it makes it it's going to take more time. We need to put 397 02:09:29.040 --> 02:09:46.360 these guard rails in place. Um, Mayor, doctor, you know, this is your legacy. You got to table it at this point. Thank you, Chris. Lauren Rubenstein. 398 02:09:51.760 --> 02:10:06.880 >> Good evening, Mayor Commissioners. Thank you, Lauren Rubenstein. On behalf of uh Thunderbird Holdings LLC, the law firm W Henderson, 600 Cleveland Street, Sweet 800 in Clearwater. out. We are here in support of the PD 399 02:10:06.880 --> 02:10:23.040 ordinance. Um I think that the ordinance as presented is very well thought out. It does u mimic other PD ordinances that you see throughout the state. Um there is a lot of really good things that can come from PD development. And I want to 400 02:10:23.040 --> 02:10:39.040 just hit on some of the things that we haven't heard a lot about tonight, but that idea of unified development, the idea of superior architecture and design, you know, height is something that always gets mentioned, right? And when I was at the LPA meeting, one of 401 02:10:39.040 --> 02:10:54.159 the things I talked about is the fact that when you're looking at a project, sometimes a PD especially isn't going to come out as a box, right? So you're not looking at a straight 80 feet or 100 feet. Perhaps you have those vertical 402 02:10:54.159 --> 02:11:10.320 variations. So you have maybe on Thunderbird for instance, you might have a rooftop bar that's a little higher, but then you have other areas that are lower. And so you have that flexibility and that vis visual interest that can 403 02:11:10.320 --> 02:11:26.079 come from a PD when you have a little more flexibility in your code. Of course, you are allowed to also use unified development so that you can move some uses around. Currently in Treasure Islands code, uh the interpretation has 404 02:11:26.079 --> 02:11:43.599 been that if you're not on one parcel, then wherever your entitlements come from, they have to be built. So for instance, if you have three parcels of land and you say, I want to take all of the units, all the hotel units and put them on these two parcels and then 405 02:11:43.599 --> 02:11:58.880 utilize this other parcel for open space, for uh public easement, for parking, for any other variation. Right now there's not a mechanism to do that unified site plan and this PD ordinance would also allow that. So again, it 406 02:11:58.880 --> 02:12:15.360 gives some flexibility for where you're going to put your commercial space, where you're going to put certain aspects of your development. So I think there's a lot that, you know, aside from just height and density, right? Those are those are certainly the buzzwords. That's what everyone's talking about, 407 02:12:15.360 --> 02:12:31.760 but there's certainly a lot of really good aspects to PDs and the public benefits that can come from it. Um, I did just want to mention, you know, I've heard a lot about consistency with comp plan and the countywide rules, and that's that's true for all of your 408 02:12:31.760 --> 02:12:48.079 regulations. I, you know, I want people to understand that all of your LDRs have to be consistent with your comp plan and your comprehensive plan has to be consistent with the countywide rules. This is not just for PDs and it doesn't mean that you are allowing what's in the 409 02:12:48.079 --> 02:13:03.440 countywide rules either. You know, it's a hierarchy. So your LBRs, they're the strict and then you go up. So this doesn't automatically add um density or intensity. You're still bound by your comprehensive plan. Thank you. 410 02:13:03.440 --> 02:13:33.760 >> Thank you, >> Barb Adams. Barbadoms is of palms. Um I have a lot of concerns about I mean sort of the emotional atmosphere in our community. Our people 411 02:13:33.760 --> 02:13:49.040 have been through so much. They're, you know, trauma, loss, they're building back. Um, we have a lot going on in our lives and the division with the height and the 412 02:13:49.040 --> 02:14:05.760 density has been painful. And what I see especially as as a civic association president as and as a realtor and you know just dealing with a lot of the people in the community is that we don't 413 02:14:05.760 --> 02:14:22.320 want we want development. We want change. We want growth, but we don't want to change the character of our community. And we want our leaders to listen to us. That's why you're here. And um some of 414 02:14:22.320 --> 02:14:38.639 you have changed teams. I I you know, I don't know. But the thing is there's not I mean a PD is supposed to be a tool in the toolbox. been to how many meetings here where we talked about 415 02:14:38.639 --> 02:14:53.440 master plans and what we were going to do and who we were talking to and how this was going to proceed and that was a way of bringing our community together. So we felt like okay you're listening to us we're starting to work together and 416 02:14:53.440 --> 02:15:09.280 it was always PD's tool in the toolbox tool in the toolbox. Now all of a sudden it has to be out there ahead of everything else. We you're we're not going to add guidelines down the road. That doesn't happen. We need 417 02:15:09.280 --> 02:15:24.800 to add the guidelines now. We need to have some kind of a structure. Oh, and then there was one comment about how PDS will make our buildings much stronger and safer and hurricane safe. That's what a building code does. And we have building codes. And as we're rebuilding 418 02:15:24.800 --> 02:15:40.719 and lifting our houses and changing them, we're incorporating all of those safety features into our homes. So, we care about safety and and and you know, building codes, but you need to listen 419 02:15:40.719 --> 02:15:57.040 to us and not just say, "Oh, yeah, let's just spot zone here. Let's spot zone there." And um and then I mean, you all see what's starting to happen in MadiRaa Beach. We don't want that. And you know, I don't know if you just 420 02:15:57.040 --> 02:16:12.239 hang with your same people who all say the same thing to you, but if you get out and you talk to the residents, we have made it so clear what we care about. We want a community with character. And I mean, I hear about it, 421 02:16:12.239 --> 02:16:29.440 oh my gosh, this week. I mean, I I show people our community as a realtor all the time. They they lo go from Clear Water to Tiier Verde and they come here because we have character. 422 02:16:29.440 --> 02:16:56.080 >> Thank you, Barb. Marvin Shelvin, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners, Marvin Shavelin, 220, 108, um, LPA, PNZ, but I'm speaking to you tonight as an individual. So, 423 02:16:56.080 --> 02:17:13.120 so we've heard a lot from our anti development friends lately tonight and their latest argument against moving forward with plan development is that we should not proceed without the guard rails of a master plan. Meanwhile, the proposed plan development ordinance 424 02:17:13.120 --> 02:17:29.840 already contains multiple layers of review, public notice, neighborhood input, design standards, compatibility requirements, development agreement requirements, as well as final approval by the city commission. So, if you'll allow me, I'd just like to briefly 425 02:17:29.840 --> 02:17:45.840 highlight for the public's benefit just a few of the specific guidelines that are built into the ordinance. Three levels of review. city staff, LPA, city commission. Two, development plan must comply with the comprehensive plan and countywide 426 02:17:45.840 --> 02:18:03.120 plan. Three, mandatory neighborhood meeting owners within 500 ft must be notified. The applicant must present the plan, answer questions, identifi identify conflict mitigation, and provide the city with a written and video recording of the meeting. A 427 02:18:03.120 --> 02:18:19.040 detailed PD development plan is required. The applicant must submit site plans, density, intensity, tables, height, stories, setbacks, parking, open space, impervious surface, landscaping, storm water, mobility, access, buffering, as well as rendering and 428 02:18:19.040 --> 02:18:36.319 massing studies. A transportation impact study must be prepared by a registered Florida engineer for submittal and review by city staff, FDOT, and other governing agencies. Architectural and massing review. The ordinance requires front, side, and rear 429 02:18:36.319 --> 02:18:54.000 renderings plus scaled massing showing how the project relates to surrounding buildings, heights, architecture, and uh verification that the project's scale and the size, color, and proportion of building elements and components and materials are appropriate and harmonious with the surrounding 430 02:18:54.000 --> 02:19:09.760 neighborhood characteristics. Deviations must be specifically disclosed. Any requested flexibility from existing zoning or LDR standards must be clearly listed and reviewed. Formal review criteria. The LPA and the city commission must evaluate 431 02:19:09.760 --> 02:19:26.639 compatibility, pedestrian and multimodal access, utilities, drainage, and parking. Design standards. The LPA and city commission also verifies the design standards are met for ar articulation, varied roof lines, upper story setbacks, parking garage screening, street 432 02:19:26.639 --> 02:19:42.240 orientation, pedestrian connectivity, high quality materials, transparency, and avoidance of blank walls. Nine, a development agreement is required. Every PD requires a development agreement, meaning the commitments made by the developer are not just conceptual, they 433 02:19:42.240 --> 02:19:59.040 become enforcable conditions. Applying for plan development approval is not for the faint of heart. It involves a tremendous amount of work and expense for the developer. However, it is clear in the end the city and its residents are protected by multiple levels of guard rails. 434 02:19:59.040 --> 02:20:25.040 >> I encourage the city commission to vote to approve the plan development ordinance tonight. Thank you. >> Thank you. Sorry, >> West Evans. West Evans, Isa Palms. Um, I just want to say that um, 435 02:20:25.040 --> 02:20:40.640 uh, we aren't against PDS as a whole. We're not anti-development. Uh, we are against this process that's happening right now. Uh I agree with maybe not Marvin Chavelin tonight, but I do agree with Marvin Chavelin from the LPA meeting uh who said maybe we should 436 02:20:40.640 --> 02:20:57.680 hold off on this and read through this again because the way it's being passed forward uh hasn't been uh reviewed thoroughly. There's vague language. Several people at the meeting pointed out the vague language. Um, and that's an issue if you're just 437 02:20:57.680 --> 02:21:13.120 if you we supposedly have like he just said three levels that these PDs go through. That's the safeguard. But at the beginning of this when Ardan Dicki suggested taking RFM30 out, the mayor said, "Well, the LPA sent sent this to 438 02:21:13.120 --> 02:21:30.319 us with RFM30 in it, so we should just do it as that." That means you're just agreeing with whatever the LPA sends you. So that's not two levels right there. That's one. That's you guys are whatever the LPA gives you. Apparently, you're going to go forward with uh at 439 02:21:30.319 --> 02:21:47.280 some point this commission said that uh PDS shouldn't have anything less than an acre. In fact, mayor, that was one of the one of the reasons you gave uh for getting on board with PDS because well, 440 02:21:47.280 --> 02:22:03.920 it's there's only a few properties even bigger than an acre. So, it's not going to be the whole city doing it. It's going to be very few that can take advantage of this. And now, at the last LPA meeting, the chair of the LPA, Richard Harris, said, "We need this to 441 02:22:03.920 --> 02:22:20.479 include less than an acre. I know the commission doesn't want that, but if we don't do that, hardly anyone can take advantage of the PDS, which means we want the whole town to be taking advantage of the PDS. So, if it's only for 442 02:22:20.479 --> 02:22:35.680 properties like the Thunderbird or bigger properties, then we some of us got on board with that, okay? Because we want to see the Thunderboard Thunderbird go forward. But now it's let's add RFM30 back into it and let's get every little 443 02:22:35.680 --> 02:22:52.240 property right up against people's houses on RFM30. Let's get everything everything can be a PD at this point. This is why we don't trust the process. It's it's and I'll put it I'll say this. We've pointed out the flaws in this and 444 02:22:52.240 --> 02:23:08.080 there's people the pro development by any means necessary crowd uh who don't want to take a look, step back, take a look, make sure all of this makes sense. Make sure we're doing this right so it doesn't kick us in the ass later. 445 02:23:08.080 --> 02:23:24.560 They keep chirping. They keep chirping. It's like crickets. Except crickets chirp in the dark and when the lights come on, they stop chirping. They keep chirping. even though we're pointing out the bad parts of this because they're they're voluntarily closing their eyes to the bad parts so they can just keep 446 02:23:24.560 --> 02:23:40.240 saying, "Push it forward. Push it forward. Push it forward." You need to stop. Think about what you're doing. Make sure you're passing something that makes sense that's not going to hurt stuff in the future a hundred years from now when you're not going to be around. >> Thank you, West 447 02:23:40.240 --> 02:24:05.600 Derry Smith. Gary Smith, 5579th Terrace. U I realize it's just a start this tonight and I'm hoping that you're not going to vote on it tonight that you'll bring it back next time to talk about it some more because the wording is much too 448 02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:21.280 ambiguous. Um, with such language as it has now, builder could ask for anything. And depending on the intellect and the strength of the zoning board and the commission now and in the future, the developers could easily take advantage 449 02:24:21.280 --> 02:24:37.439 of our city. Please do not vote on this ordinance until explicit, unambiguous wording is added. Language that will not allow for deviation from the city's current codes. I also wanted to note um that when 450 02:24:37.439 --> 02:24:54.640 attorney Brooks read through the entire ordinance, I noticed that negative impacts of proposed developments was not a required component. Um that needs I believe that needs to be a requirement in the ordinance. Uh the LPA talks about 451 02:24:54.640 --> 02:25:11.760 no more boxes, box type buildings, and we just heard someone else say that. And obviously development doesn't have to be higher than five over one to be beautiful. I mean we can have some imagination. And I just want to say one more thing. It I hear people coming up 452 02:25:11.760 --> 02:25:38.240 saying how many residents really want um increased height and density. And if you all believe that, why don't you prove that and let us vote on it? That's all I have to say. >> Brandy Long. Hi, Brandy Long Boulevard. Um, I'm here 453 02:25:38.240 --> 02:25:55.520 tonight to read a comment from another resident, Mary. >> I'm sorry. What's your address? >> Are you a resident of the Treasure Island? >> District. >> District two. >> District two. >> Can you stop my time so that he's not 454 02:25:55.520 --> 02:26:16.720 interfering in my time? Brandy Long, Gulf Boulevard. I own a property on G Boulevard. Um, I'm here to speak in behalf of Mary Downey. She lives in Isa Palms. She would respectfully ask you to vote 455 02:26:16.720 --> 02:26:32.960 no on the ordinance before you. Approval of this ordinance would allow the commission to begin approving PDS in advance of the approved master plan, which we voted to have done and is in the works. To adopt this ordinance tonight would be 456 02:26:32.960 --> 02:26:50.080 jumping the gun as a master plan has yet to be completed. The ordinance would give developers the path to come before you, the commission, with their requests for PDS again before our master plan is in place, which could very well go against what comes out of the final 457 02:26:50.080 --> 02:27:06.640 master plan. Why would we not wait for the completed design before we start issuing PDS? It's these PDs that could spark contrast to what the master plan defines. Furthermore, you do realize, don't you, 458 02:27:06.640 --> 02:27:23.120 that if you vote this in, all the developers who want an exception to the height and density can submit their own PDS before this commission. Then with just three votes of the commission, the height and density that we as a community voted in will be out 459 02:27:23.120 --> 02:27:39.920 the window. Do you really think that this makes sense to start accepting PDS before the master plan is done? And do you realize that this would be giving this commission enormous power to help developers get around our heightened density restrictions that we've voted 460 02:27:39.920 --> 02:27:54.640 in? If you could just step back from it for a minute and look at the big picture, I know that you would have to agree that since we are doing a master plan, we should complete that before allowing developers to circumvent our height and 461 02:27:54.640 --> 02:28:10.880 density. After all, this ordinance is really just a loophole that would just allow developers to get around the height and density that we've already established in law. The loophole is called out in the detail of this ordinance under deviations. 462 02:28:10.880 --> 02:28:26.720 So, I call your attention to section 68-418, deviations. Individual PD applications must specifically list and may request deviations from any of the standards or criteria contained in the existing 463 02:28:26.720 --> 02:28:44.160 original zoning district or land development regulation requirements that would not be met by the proposed individual PD. This doesn't sound like something we as a community would want. Please vote no. Thank you. 464 02:28:44.160 --> 02:29:07.200 >> Thank you, Brandy. Joe Mater longtime resident I look a pretty this is my first meeting that I'm coming to so forgive me for being unprepared. Um I came straight from work and other people are much more prepared than I am. I just want to say I I am in favor of the PDS. 465 02:29:07.200 --> 02:29:22.240 Um, I've listened to what everybody had to say and and carefully on both sides and and one person said something that really stood out to me and that was this is a once in a-lifetime opportunity to really get it right and and and I agree with that. I this is something happened 466 02:29:22.240 --> 02:29:38.160 to all of us here that um had never happened before and with that changes have to be made. you know that they're the height and density rules were, you know, put in and voted on before the pre-torm and and now that something's happened that's never happened here 467 02:29:38.160 --> 02:29:56.600 before, I feel that we need to move forward and and look at things differently and consider all options, but I am in favor of the PDS. I would love to see it move forward and I do agree that it is a once in a-lifetime opportunity to really get it right. Thank you. >> Thank you, Joe. Buzzy Barnett. 468 02:29:56.960 --> 02:30:13.520 Buzzy Barnett 2011 104 Treasure Island. Commissioner Dicki, I hope they don't pay you by the hour around here because uh the city wouldn't have that enormous budget we got left. But anyway, uh a couple things I'd like to bring up tonight. One, I want to give a shout out to our city manager and his staff in uh 469 02:30:13.520 --> 02:30:29.200 in the uh permit department. I've been hearing a lot of great things from my friends all out all through the island how how much better and well our permit department is run is running and they're getting their permits in a timely manner. I think that's huge. I think if you look around the city, and I drive 470 02:30:29.200 --> 02:30:45.359 around it or walk the dog around it every day, you'll see houses coming up, you'll see houses being raised, you're seeing houses coming down. So, I think residential is taking care of itself thanks to the good work of our city staff. So, I think they deserve some kudos for that. Uh secondly, uh the 471 02:30:45.359 --> 02:31:01.600 RFM30 uh that you know that of course that that affects me and uh I'm on the water and uh that was taken out by I think every one of you gentlemen and ladies sitting up here and I'm just I'm I'm like Commissioner Dicki. I don't know how it got it keeps getting put back in. I I am definitely for 472 02:31:01.600 --> 02:31:16.720 development. Our city needs development. We got to move forward. We got to make our city great again. And uh and uh so the other comment that really struck me tonight was when somebody said the master plan has expertise. I don't think 473 02:31:16.720 --> 02:31:32.800 anybody in this room has the expertise of planning for a whole city. I think we ought to be real cautious on how we we go about the PDS. I'm not against them. I just think we need to get the advice of whoever we hire as a master planner or we've already hired. We need to get 474 02:31:32.800 --> 02:31:48.560 their expertise because what that gentleman said was these other cities that have had done a master plan, we learn you learn a lot from that and I think our city in a whole will learn from that. So that's all I've got. Appreciate everything and city manager. Thanks for what you're doing in the 475 02:31:48.560 --> 02:32:08.479 city. >> Thank you Buzzy. >> Grant Smith. >> Good evening. Grant Smith, Sunset Beach. Um, I'm a member of the LPA and along with Chris, I was one of the dissenting votes about this. 476 02:32:08.479 --> 02:32:25.200 Not anti-development. I would characterize myself more as pro- resident. Um, I'm not pro-developer. I'm pro- resident, and that's how I make decisions on the LPA is based upon what I believe the residents that I represent are seeking. Um, 477 02:32:25.200 --> 02:32:40.960 my concerns about this ordinance have to do with the vague terms in it. in the ambiguity that exists within the ordinance. And I made this point during the LPA discussions. Just going to mention a couple of cases here to you. Ocean Ridge Ventures verse Palm Beach 478 02:32:40.960 --> 02:32:58.080 County, Sullivan Properties versus the city of Winter Springs, Bvard Land Development versus the City of Devel uh City of Melbourne, and Snyder versus the Board of County Commissioners of Bvard County. Those are four cases recently where developers successfully sued 479 02:32:58.080 --> 02:33:13.920 municipalities based upon the uneven application of PDS. Marvin did a wonderful job outlining all of the requirements that a developer has to put forward. At the end of the day, who's going to make the evaluation on that? 480 02:33:13.920 --> 02:33:29.439 The LPA and a majority of the commissioners. none of us which have the comprehensive expertise to make these decisions. And again, you're not making decisions based on 18 months. And I'm sorry that the majority of residents who 481 02:33:29.439 --> 02:33:47.439 are pro-developers lack the courage to come here and speak or to send emails. They need to, you know, they need to man up and send the emails if this really is important to them. You're making decisions that are going to affect us for the next 30, 50, 100 years. 482 02:33:47.439 --> 02:34:03.040 18 months have gone by. It's not a lifetime. There's lots of redevelopment going on. There are multiple small properties along Gulf Boulevard that have rebuilt and are open and are operating. It can be done. Again, you 483 02:34:03.040 --> 02:34:19.600 leave yourself open to legal vulnerabilities. And I'll defer to all the attorneys in the rooms in regard to this. When you have an ordinance that is vague and allows for inconsistent application, some of the vulnerabilities from a legal perspective include vague 484 02:34:19.600 --> 02:34:37.040 standards, inconsistent applications, no clear public benefits, when the approval deviates from a comprehensive plan, or when financial feasibility claims are accepted without independent verification. These leave the municipality vulnerable to litigation. 485 02:34:37.040 --> 02:34:53.200 In this particular ordinance, there's a number of very vague terms which are now going to be evaluated by three commissioners and a decision is going to be made. What is exceptional design? What it says in the ordinance, exceptional design? What is compatible with adjacent and 486 02:34:53.200 --> 02:35:12.520 nearby lands? These are all very subjective terms subject to interpretation which leave us legally vulnerable. Please consider what the residents want and vote accordingly. Thank you, Grant. Karen Barnett. 487 02:35:17.120 --> 02:35:31.760 >> Good evening. Uh Karen Barnett, 2011 104th Avenue. I also am not against development at all. I am interested, as Buzzy, specifically in the RFM30. I'm not real sure as Ardan pointed out 488 02:35:31.760 --> 02:35:48.399 how that got back ex except for LPA. Um but that that very question um as Mr. Smith was saying, I had not thought about this before, but that very question of the fact that this has been voted out by the commission. It's been 489 02:35:48.399 --> 02:36:04.160 brought back. It's been some like it, some don't. And yet we have it here again tonight and you're voting again tonight. Is that not even a perfect example of what would be a perfect lawsuit? >> I mean, how did it get back? 490 02:36:04.160 --> 02:36:20.319 >> Okay, we denied it before. It was brought up. We think, "No, this is not a good idea because I also walk it every day." And if you I don't know if like the condo hotel properties are being considered uh commercial and that's why 491 02:36:20.319 --> 02:36:36.319 you think there's not a lot of residents there, but it's all residents. I don't know if the shell shop is in the RFM30. Those three little right there in a row. But then behind all of that is all residential back where the lot is. It's all condos, uses 492 02:36:36.319 --> 02:36:51.840 back in there, all the way down. I'm sure all of my neighbors would be happy to know that we're commercial. There is a lot of commercial, but not on the water side. We're not including this side of the road where Benjamin's, Jquelins, um the car wash, that's not included unless you've added that back 493 02:36:51.840 --> 02:37:08.399 in again. It's the houses. It's the condos and the houses and then you're excluding the commercial properties. So, I'm really not sure except for the fact that we're on the water and that's the ultimate goal is to get that water property. So, I'm not real sure how all 494 02:37:08.399 --> 02:37:24.720 this came about and what really the ultimate goal is except for to get the water property and of course 108 that away too. But I and I know you can't answer questions back, but I would love to hear some discussion just on how that decision was made. Not just well for the 495 02:37:24.720 --> 02:37:47.200 future, it would be good. That's it. Thank you. Thank you, Karen. Sarah Pennington. >> Good evening. Sarah Pennington, is of Palms. Um, I'm actually not against PDs and I'm not for PDs because we don't 496 02:37:47.200 --> 02:38:03.120 have enough information to tell us if they're needed or not. So far, what we mostly hear is that we need PDs because everyone else does it and we got to get moving along with some promises with no proof to actually back it up. That's it. No real data, just we got to do this. 497 02:38:03.120 --> 02:38:20.319 Um, I did hear a comment about people being feeling like they were targeted and um, I wanted to say that I hear those exact same concerns from people who want to speak out against the PDS. There always seems to be one or two abrasive people who like to attack on either side of any issue. For example, 498 02:38:20.319 --> 02:38:35.600 calling anyone who wants to scrutinize this ordinance right now is anti-development, which clearly that is not the case. It's unfortunate, but it's not the majority. While I appreciate some of the potential design requirements and effort to avoid the canyon effect, we don't have any data 499 02:38:35.600 --> 02:38:53.040 from a master planner to tell us if PDS are economically required, what traffic implications would be, infrastructure strains that would occur. I think moving forward in any direction related to development before the master planner has even done a single study is very 500 02:38:53.040 --> 02:39:09.359 premature and does not build trust in the process. It also could have an opposite effect on development and potentially slow things down should the ordinance set us up for potential lawsuits, which is something the city and the developers should want to avoid. There is a lot of vague language and 501 02:39:09.359 --> 02:39:24.080 questions about this ordinance that have not been answered. The minimum acreage that Commissioner Dicki brought up is also a concern. When PDS were first introduced, we were told, "Don't worry because it only going to affect five or six properties." Yet here we are with no 502 02:39:24.080 --> 02:39:41.520 limitations on acreage. The RFM30 readded another issue. It also says in the ordinance that PDS must be consistent with the Treasure Island and the county comprehensive plan. Obviously, the TI comprehensive plan is much more restrictive. So, I'm not even 503 02:39:41.520 --> 02:39:57.200 sure if it's clear to everyone making these decisions which of those comprehensive plans would take precedence. Let's take a responsible pause, gather all the data related to these potential very long-term changes, and make the decisions the right way, 504 02:39:57.200 --> 02:40:14.960 not just right now. Thank you. >> Thank you, Sarah. Mark Hoey, >> for the third and final time this evening, Marco Hoey, 225 104th Avenue. That's in your district, Arthur. So, you 505 02:40:14.960 --> 02:40:30.960 got the address. Um much as as Chris Clark predicted, we have plenty of conversation on both edges of the topics and that's good. There's a lot of new faces here. That's good to get other people involved. I'm not going to 506 02:40:30.960 --> 02:40:46.080 rehash. You know, obviously I I'm not in favor of RFM30, but that could be fixed. Take those commercial ones, create a separate zoning district, be done with it, and leave the residents out. That's not a unfixable thing. 507 02:40:46.080 --> 02:41:03.200 Um the other part though a couple of things resident input uh that was said oh there's going to be plenty of resident input. Well we've seen too often in my time coming to meetings watching the proceedings 508 02:41:03.200 --> 02:41:20.080 looking at the issues that the resident input is the last thing that's considered in making a decision. And I'm sure in many cases it could be because you're trying to do it in the best interests of everybody in the city and I understand that. But that's what we're 509 02:41:20.080 --> 02:41:36.720 coming down to is a concentration of power. This as it's laid out today concentrates the power down to three individual votes. And it may not be the same three and in two years it'll be a different three and another two years it'll be a 510 02:41:36.720 --> 02:41:52.880 different three. You've got to think about this as what platform does it provide in the future for continuity in Treasure Island if decisions of this magnitude are down to three people and that's what you're going to be faced 511 02:41:52.880 --> 02:42:09.920 each time. Um, is it taking too long? I'll echo a little bit of that. There are still hundreds and hundreds of homes destroyed, unoccupied, maybe starting to rebuild, maybe flattened, and and yet we're in a rush, 512 02:42:09.920 --> 02:42:26.720 rush, rush to My God, we got to get these developers going. What about those hundreds and hundreds of homeowners? What are we doing to help accelerate them back into their homes? So, I would encourage everybody, those behind me, 513 02:42:26.720 --> 02:42:43.200 come to meetings, not just this one, come to the LPA, come to the PNZ, come to the code enforcement and listen. Listen. Much goes on there that doesn't transfer very well to minutes or even 514 02:42:43.200 --> 02:42:59.520 video. Believe it or not, we have too many times the mics are off. Um, but once you do that, you will find out the backstory behind all this. You'll find out that people in positions to make decisions are already poo pooing the 515 02:42:59.520 --> 02:43:13.920 master plan as ah, it isn't going to matter. It's not going to work. Don't care. U, that's the stuff you start picking up that tells you it's not about the people's choice. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mark. 516 02:43:13.920 --> 02:43:33.280 Mike Brady. Mike Brady, 119504 Street East, District 1. Uh, the first thing I might say is we're always concerned about how much money the city is spending. And if we return the air conditioner off of Alaska, we might save 517 02:43:33.280 --> 02:43:51.520 some money. But I am uh up here to say that I am in favor of planned development. And planned development is exactly what it says, planned development. The developer doesn't get everything they want. The citizens may not get 518 02:43:51.520 --> 02:44:06.560 everything they want, but they come together and compromise. And that is what we need in this city. We need to get development going. We have developers and everybody seems to think developing developers are as a bad 519 02:44:06.560 --> 02:44:22.479 person or bad people. They're not. Most of them actually live here right in our city. So, we need to get this going. I think plan development helps the city. We are the only city in Panelis County that doesn't use planned development. 520 02:44:22.479 --> 02:44:39.840 So, obviously, most cities seem to know what plan development is. I don't know why we have to sit here and talk about it for 30 years to figure out what it is when we already know what it is. So, I would just suggest that we get the plan development process going. It doesn't mean that immediately things are going 521 02:44:39.840 --> 02:44:56.479 to happen. Um, a lot of people talk about the master plan process. Well, our master plan isn't really a master plan. It only covers a small part of the city. That's not a real master plan. A master plan covers every bit of the city. But I 522 02:44:56.479 --> 02:45:21.040 just want to reiterate once again, I think we need to do plan development. I think it's the way most cities do it. I think it'll work right here in Treasure Hope. Thank you. Thank you, Mike. Richard Harris. >> Good evening, commissioners and mayor. 523 02:45:21.040 --> 02:45:38.880 Richard Harris, 374 Bay Plaza. Plan development. I've worked on a lot of them. The name says it all. It's planned. But what you are considering tonight is only the enabling ordinance. We don't have an ordinance on the books that allows the individual parcels to 524 02:45:38.880 --> 02:45:54.240 come in and reszone their properties after tonight. That just gives them the ability to reszone their property to plan development. You know, the thing is I've worked on a lot of them. It gives you a lot of flexibility. 525 02:45:54.240 --> 02:46:10.399 The benefit for the LPA and the city is architectural review. I've said this for the last 10 years. tired of these uh white sugar cubes we have in this city. You know, the Ocean Club's prime example. 526 02:46:10.399 --> 02:46:26.640 It's not selling well and it looks terrible. So, we get to take a look at it and if it doesn't meet our architectural standards, we can deny it. U there's about seven parcels in my mind that are going to jump in on this. the 527 02:46:26.640 --> 02:46:43.359 Tahesian, the Swashbuckler, the Thunderbird, the Sands, Gators, Pirate Square, and the north side of downtown. The reason why I took out the idea of not allowing PD for parcels under uh one 528 02:46:43.359 --> 02:47:00.399 acre is because the Sands itself is 84 acres. That's the reason. There's a lot of little mom and pop hotels that would like to reszone, but they're less than an acre. So, each parcel will be considered individually. 529 02:47:00.399 --> 02:47:17.279 And if somebody comes in here with something really dumb, and I I agree with the uh RFM30 staying in, but if they come in and there's two wings of the RFM district that go out almost to the western most bridge, they come in like 530 02:47:17.279 --> 02:47:32.560 on that vacant lot on 104th with something really stupid. I'm going to lead the charge to vote it down. So, all we're doing tonight is a first baby step. And this is going to evolve, but 531 02:47:32.560 --> 02:47:49.120 this is not making it easier on developers. They have to reszone their properties. The land use plan gets into uh to be a factor. A lot of them will have to go through a land use plan amendment. But the biggest thing is 532 02:47:49.120 --> 02:48:04.080 this isn't, you know, no projects are going to be approved tonight. You know, shovels aren't going to be turned in the next six months because of what you're doing tonight. It's going to take a lot more effort, lots of studies, 533 02:48:04.080 --> 02:48:19.040 lots of work. This is not making it easier on developers. It is actually making it a lot harder. And I speak for experience. Thank you very much. Thank you, Richard. All right, that uh is all that we have 534 02:48:19.040 --> 02:48:39.040 for the uh comments from the public. Uh, so I'm going to close that portion of our meeting and I'm going to bring it back here to uh to the commission. >> I just want to um if if I may, I want to 535 02:48:39.040 --> 02:48:54.640 address because I I keep hearing it and I keep seeing it and I would once again and I know I've asked the city attorney to make this clear in many meetings. Um, and I'm going to ask you if you could do it again, that 536 02:48:54.640 --> 02:49:10.399 we cannot legally have a vote, a referendum vote on height and density. That was done away with in 2023 with the Senate bill. Um, and I just want to make that because it absolutely would be the 537 02:49:10.399 --> 02:49:25.920 easiest way to do it. No question about it. But um I just wanted to see if we could get clarity and sorry if I put you on the spot. Um it's just we it keeps coming up and coming up and coming up about well why don't we just put it to a vote. Why don't we just go to 538 02:49:25.920 --> 02:49:42.319 referendum? >> Well, it doesn't really affect this plan development ordinance that's in front of you. If you'd like a legal analysis on that, we can prepare an actual memorandum. >> Okay. And I know it doesn't. It's just that's what we keep hearing constantly is why don't we go to referendum vote 539 02:49:42.319 --> 02:49:59.760 and le the governor is the one who put the Senate bill out that no longer allows um to go to referendum for heightened density. So we can do that if you want to. But I just I wanted to reiterate that it's not that we're stopping it. It's that it literally um 540 02:49:59.760 --> 02:50:17.680 the governor stopped it in 2023. So, I just wanted wanted to get clarity on that again that it's not us um keeping keeping that from happening. >> The I'll tag along with that just for a second while you're uh researching that 541 02:50:17.680 --> 02:50:34.080 if you could also I I was thinking when this was mentioned before if uh we could have a non-binding referendum because what we're really looking for here is just what the public what the residents really want because we And I I real I 542 02:50:34.080 --> 02:50:51.200 realize that the that the governor and the state has has passed a referendum said that you can't you can't make decisions by referendum in terms of uh of of uh changes in your building code. But it I think just feeling our 543 02:50:51.200 --> 02:51:11.920 residents out and a non-binding referendum uh would give us a better sense of what this uh city really wants. Okay. All right, we have a motion and we have a second. >> Sure. Um, I just wrote down a couple 544 02:51:11.920 --> 02:51:29.600 notes here. Um, a couple things like I predicted and I think Maro said it. We had people here on both sides of this and I think that's perfectly fine. Um, I I don't think I any heard anyone come up here and say that they don't want PDs at all. I don't think I heard anyone come 545 02:51:29.600 --> 02:51:46.000 up here and say they don't want any development. Um I think the the you know the the real kind of crux of the issue is that you I thought we agreed to do this in parallel with the master plan and I think you know again I said it earlier my whole goal of the master plan 546 02:51:46.000 --> 02:52:02.800 was is if we have kind of hopefully a a third party that's unbiased and I think um Don Schneimus brought it up. It's the same thing I said earlier. if they come back and say, "Listen, you know, the only way this can work is if you got to go to six over one or seven over one, 547 02:52:02.800 --> 02:52:17.760 fine. I'm going to support that and my residents know that." Um, and and then we don't hopefully that would bring people together. We don't talk about lawsuits and all this stuff, but there just doesn't see much of an appetite to do that. And and the other thing that I 548 02:52:17.760 --> 02:52:34.880 I really want to I want to say I I I don't remember who said it, but someone said, you know, there's a tiny faction of people that just don't, you know, don't want PDs and don't want development. And I met with 58 of my residents two weeks ago and I met with 549 02:52:34.880 --> 02:52:52.160 uh I'm sorry, 58 of them on Friday, like 60 of them two weeks ago. talked to tons tons of them in the neighborhood and uh you know they they they want to wait and for the master plan and so I'm listening to my residents and that's how I'm going 550 02:52:52.160 --> 02:53:08.479 to vote up here and that makes it pretty simple for me. Um, but I I like the idea of um of your non-binding vote because and I know what I'm hearing from my residents and that's, you know, why I'm voting the way I am and and um so I 551 02:53:08.479 --> 02:53:24.399 think it's a great idea. >> Yeah. >> So, I was just going to read off my notes. Um, and I'll tell you what I do not support. I do not support defaulting to the countywide height and density limitations. Um Marvin mentioned the layers of protection already in place. 552 02:53:24.399 --> 02:53:40.800 And uh the last and most important one, I was I've always been against the master plan. I think it's a waste of money, especially for the five private properties that are within the master plan discussion. So I already know which way I'm voting based on the constituents 553 02:53:40.800 --> 02:53:57.439 I talked to in person and the count that I did today. >> All right, we have a motion and a second. Uh, please call roll. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez. >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. 554 02:53:57.439 --> 02:54:13.359 >> Commissioner Clark, >> no. >> Commissioner Dicki, >> no. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. All right, moving on to our last item tonight. Consideration of resolution 2026-04. 555 02:54:13.359 --> 02:54:28.319 A resolution of the city commission of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, authorizing renewal of a cooperation agreement with Panels County, Florida for the community development block grant program for fiscal years 2027, 28, 29, and all successive three-year 556 02:54:28.319 --> 02:54:44.800 qualification periods unless the county or city provides written notice that it elects not to participate in a new qualification period. Authorize the city manager to execute acknowledgements for renewals of the cooperation agreement with Penllis County for all successive three-year qualification periods 557 02:54:44.800 --> 02:55:03.600 providing an effective date. I move to approve resolution 2026-04 approving the Penllis County CDBG program cooperation agreement for fiscal year 2027 through 2029 and authorizing 558 02:55:03.600 --> 02:55:23.680 the city manager to execute the agreement. >> We have a motion. Do we have a sec? Second >> second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Call the roll, please. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez. >> I. >> Commissioner Sison. >> I. 559 02:55:23.680 --> 02:55:38.319 >> Commissioner Clark. >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> I. >> Mayor Doctor. >> I. >> Thank you. >> All right. Now, moving on to city manager and city attorney reports. >> Nothing for me this evening. Thank you. 560 02:55:38.319 --> 02:56:17.520 >> Thank you. Mayor, vice mayor, commissioners, citizens, I'll be uh fairly brief tonight. I did just want to bring a couple items uh to your attention. Um I appreciate uh Mr. Barnett's comments. Um 561 02:56:17.520 --> 02:56:35.359 permits are running uh very smoothly in recent months. Um we've made a lot of adjustments in the CDD department and I appreciate the hard work uh that's going on down there. Um, we've had 789 562 02:56:35.359 --> 02:56:52.000 code enforcement cases reported. Uh, we've resolved 622 since the storms. Code enforcement is kind of the talk of that that I'm getting right now. We need to do more. We need to do more. And um, the folks that we have are working hard 563 02:56:52.000 --> 02:57:08.160 every day at it. Um, if you want to move faster, I can bring back some ideas on how that might happen. um code enforcement amendments. There will be three separate amendments coming before you in two weeks um that 564 02:57:08.160 --> 02:57:24.000 the Voss law firm has been working on with us. Uh Miss Nancy Stupri with Voss attends our code enforcement hearings, planning and zoning LPAs, and um the idea is to make sure we have the 565 02:57:24.000 --> 02:57:39.680 ordinances to finality. Right now, a lot of times what I run into is ordinances in Treasure Island that start you down a road but don't allow full completion or full um execution of fees levied against people who just haven't come into 566 02:57:39.680 --> 02:57:57.040 compliance. Um last Friday was a busy day. Um I was able to attend a monthly meeting with my fellow city managers throughout the county. Uh we got a very good legislative update from the Panelis uh 567 02:57:57.040 --> 02:58:13.840 county legislative um leaison. Um Florida legislature will go back into session next Tuesday. Um and begin uh their budget conferencing. Um so it'd be great to have a budget by June 1st since 568 02:58:13.840 --> 02:58:30.319 they didn't get us one uh by the end of regular session. um with uh some of the fire and police department representatives. I did a walkth through on-site visit to our EOC should we need to give an evacuation order and city 569 02:58:30.319 --> 02:58:47.439 staff leave the island temporarily. Um, and so I've I've reviewed and at nauseium gone over with the fire and police chief our actions on the objectives uh that would be necessary um in the event of a significant storm. 570 02:58:47.439 --> 02:59:03.439 So, um I guess the only other piece I I'm aware and some of the public and some of the commissioners have mentioned to me um that we have some uh wonky looking dock boards and things like that still in 571 02:59:03.439 --> 02:59:18.560 canals and literally our code enforcement department will will be out there the next couple of weeks looking for those hazards and trying to mitigate those before we get in the hardest storm season. Next slide. Um, next week, uh, we'll get another 572 02:59:18.560 --> 02:59:34.720 $1.6 million, um, grant for our sewer relining. Um, I'd like to say thank you to Miss Bobby Shaye. This was something that she recently found out about that nobody on 573 02:59:34.720 --> 02:59:51.760 staff currently, there was so much turnover uh, the year before I got here that uh, we just weren't even tracking. and a former public works director um had had submitted it and in her constant back and forth with our uh 574 02:59:51.760 --> 03:00:08.720 congressional and legislative aids talking, they're like, "Well, when when would you like this check?" And we're like, "What check?" So, that that's a nice uh kind of surprise that nobody was tracking. Um we're being recognized uh for a couple different um things that 575 03:00:08.720 --> 03:00:24.720 city staff does. our anchors away city conversations um and our projects. Uh so that'll that'll be next Friday, a week from this Friday the 15th and on May 19th um is is the plan. There 576 03:00:24.720 --> 03:00:39.439 there's a couple items on that workshop agenda and I know today tonight's workshop took about an hour and 15 minutes. Uh but we plan to have our CFO, Mr. Ortiz, give you a update on our grants. uh where those are and when we 577 03:00:39.439 --> 03:00:57.120 hope to have them. And if that gets to be too much, we can bump that one more meeting to June 2nd. That's all I have. Your question. >> Thank you, >> Vice Mayor. >> I actually do not have a report tonight. 578 03:00:57.120 --> 03:01:11.680 >> Uh I just have a couple things. First of all, I'm glad you brought up the code enforcement. Um as you know, I've had a lot of people reach out to me. I've I've passed those along to you and we've been doing things about those and you know we had a meeting the other night and I let 579 03:01:11.680 --> 03:01:27.680 the residents know. Um I mean there comes a point where there's only so much you can do. I mean you you can't just go bulldo someone's houses down because they haven't p they haven't cut their yard in 3 weeks and you've put a lean on their house and you find them 40 grand. 580 03:01:27.680 --> 03:01:44.000 I mean this this takes forever. So, um I mean it's been good that you've given me the feedback to at least let them know that we're trying to do something about it, but I guess I guess what what I want to tell my residents is you you can't just go tear someone's house down 581 03:01:44.000 --> 03:02:00.000 because they're not they're not doing something in a matter of a month or two. I mean, it could get to that over year's time, but but but that's not the case. Um had another great turnout on last Friday um at at our um kind of Palms 582 03:02:00.000 --> 03:02:17.520 District 2 meeting. We had about 58 people uh talk about a lot of the things that we talked about here tonight and that was great. Um I also want to uh this kind of ties in with the permits. Um, I want to thank Darren Brown who um 583 03:02:17.520 --> 03:02:33.359 had my wife and I over to his house warming party, his brand new house that he built. And the reason I bring that up because, you know, I think Darren Brown was the impetus impetus kind of for really me to come back and make sure that we got rid of TMM. You know, TMM 584 03:02:33.359 --> 03:02:51.200 was something that we rushed into. I was the only person that voted against it. And um and then you know people like Darren started coming out and saying I can't even I'm trying to build a new home, do the right thing and I can't even do it. And you know he was really the impetus for um um you know getting 585 03:02:51.200 --> 03:03:08.399 rid of TMM which never should have been been put in in the first place. But the cool thing was is once he got his permit he built this house in 11 months and the house is beautiful. And um you know, I think that's another reason why the permits are going through way faster. 586 03:03:08.399 --> 03:03:25.520 And you know, I I walk around my neighborhood all the time and I I can't tell you the number of lots where they're driving in pilings and are going to be building brand new homes, which is is just is awesome. So, um um uh I hope to continue to see that. So, thank you, 587 03:03:25.520 --> 03:03:40.720 >> Commissioner Sison. >> Thank you. Uh so um on the uh very uh end of Tarpon Drive across the water uh we have this uh house that has graffiti on it. It's been there for months. Um I keep 588 03:03:40.720 --> 03:03:55.920 checking to see if there's any uh code of enforcement violations on this one or uh progress. Also, Mr. Hoey mentioned that Tahesian has graffiti on it. So maybe we could reach out to uh uh those that ownership. Uh I know they changed 589 03:03:55.920 --> 03:04:12.240 hands uh to maybe fence that. Um and so bear with me. Of course, I'm still having uh non-responsiveness from our uh city manager. So um uh if you just bear with me on my commissioner comments, uh they're very important and they're 590 03:04:12.240 --> 03:04:29.120 serious concerns. Uh especially the uh permit valuations. Um uh there are homes being built with declared construction values nowhere close to reality. Uh one home on the north side of West Causeway just north of the bridge appears to have 591 03:04:29.120 --> 03:04:44.640 a real construction cost closer to 2 and a half to $3 million and yet the per permit valuation is $450,000. Um it's not a small discrepancy. Uh that directly affects uh city permitting fees, revenue, fairness, and public 592 03:04:44.640 --> 03:04:59.279 trust. Uh, and we have that $1.1 million loan that we need to pay back. Uh, I've asked for multiple times for documentation on this and still have not received what I requested. Uh, this is just one house and it appears to be, uh, 593 03:04:59.279 --> 03:05:18.160 several throughout the city. Um, uh, if permit values are being understated and the city's not verifying them, then Treasure Island has potentially, uh, losing thousands, if not more, in legitimate fees. We need a clear explanation of how construction 594 03:05:18.160 --> 03:05:35.359 values are verified and who reviews them and what enforcement or correction uh, process exists when values are clearly unrealistic. So, if uh the city manager could uh take my notes and maybe hopefully inform the the commission on 595 03:05:35.359 --> 03:05:56.720 what steps are taken. Um, and I do have a question for Victor. Is he still here? I'll continue um on another uh email issue. Um, I uh I I take ex exception to the uh idea that the city manager is overwhelmed because I sent 19 emails in 596 03:05:56.720 --> 03:06:13.200 one day. The fact is roughly 15 of those emails were follow-ups from the previous 30 days. >> I No. Well, I'm not getting responses from my emails, but uh uh this is legitimate uh commissioner comments. Um 597 03:06:13.200 --> 03:06:28.880 uh and I have received no meaningful response. Uh the four remaining emails were issues uh that should have >> Mayor Mayor point of Yes. Uh I believe the commissioner's con commissioner's remarks constitute a personal attack on staff and they're not consistent with 598 03:06:28.880 --> 03:06:44.319 our rules of procedure. Section 7.5 requires that comments avoid personal attacks and section two specifically prohibits personal attacks or insults against any person. >> Thank you for your advice and I do appreciate I would ask that we maintain 599 03:06:44.319 --> 03:07:01.359 a respectful tone staff. >> Okay. Wrap it up. >> On the bright side, uh I remember at the last commissioner's uh reports um uh the city manager mentioned he was going to give us an organizational chart that was promised at the LA last meeting. We were 600 03:07:01.359 --> 03:07:17.200 obviously given version five, but that does not include the assistant city man >> city managers uh uh Victor Ortiz and Okay. Well, I have a question for Victor if he's available. >> He's not. You can direct your question 601 03:07:17.200 --> 03:07:33.120 to me. If I need help, I will. >> Will you uh email me uh the answer or will I be addressing this in 30 days? >> So, I'm >> So, my question is, what is Victor's projection for cash on hand on September 30, 602 03:07:33.120 --> 03:07:49.359 >> 2026? >> I'm not going to I'm not going to do it again without you being removed. That's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh it's been a rough night tonight. Uh I appreciate everybody being 603 03:07:49.359 --> 03:08:05.840 here. Um I think that this is one of our most important issues. I think the second uh is going to be our budgeting in August. So when uh you're referring people to to bring ideas and everything else, I would love to see this room 604 03:08:05.840 --> 03:08:16.760 packed when we do our budgets and uh and justify our uh our next year's uh budget. With that, we're adjourned.