##VIDEO ID:u81f4WyDkfc## e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e good evening everyone welcome to the September 17th 2024 city of Treasure Island Board of Commissioners meeting thank you for being here um we'll go ahead and get started with the Pledge of Allegiance if you can please stand and join me to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all roll call please commissioner Toth here vice mayor doctor here commissioner Min here commissioner dicki here mayor Payne here thank you all right first up we have approval of the regular and workshop agendas do we have any changes that need to be made on our agendas this evening no all right hearing none we'll proceed as they are published um we do not have any proclamations recognitions or certificates of appreciation this evening so we'll move into our City attorney and city manager reports yes I just have one item this evening and that is um in October I'd like to bring to you some of the uh revisions to the commission rules for your consideration um one of the things that I realized in looking at the rules is the rules were really developed when you had a television station and so some of the changes that you would make would be dependent upon what needed to happen on that television station now that we're pushing it out in a much different way um I think the rules can be revised that might make the meetings flow more efficiently so I'll be bringing you those recommendations for your consideration October you all right thank you any questions for Jen all right mayor Commissioners if I could report the fire department is going to be hosting an earning your leadership everyday Workshop next Tuesday and after talking to Chief bars over there he was able to free up three seats for other than firefighters so we do have three folks from staff will be attending that Workshop fire prevention week and the Treasure Island fire rescue 75th anniversary is coming coming up October 6th to the 12th one other item that I've got is there's Land Development regulations there will be an update on the one October Workshop so it will be provided to the commission just to give you a heads up on that and the last item that I do have is we were contacted from the US small business administration from their public affairs specialist um and we have an individual who's assigned to our area to help promote and educate people about the availability and features of low interest disaster assistant loans which are available to homeowners renters nonprofits and businesses due to Hurricane Debbie which occurred in one August there was a fact sheet and a press release that were provided and that information has been posted out on our websites and we're getting some information out to the public on that and potentially looking at if we need to be able to host a forum we're looking at some of the feedback we'll get from the community on that so just so that's everyone is aware of that thank you right thank you thank questions for Chuck I have a question chuck could you give us an update on the on the timeline for making the appropriate code changes to allow for a fill and what progress has been made on that in the past month over the last month commissioner I've been able to sit down with each one of the Commissioners individually and to discuss the three items that came out of the workshop one having to do with the FEMA 50% Rule and the back-to-back permits the other one about out excuse me the second item was had to do with the the requirements or AKA mandates versus um recommendations and the removal of that from from the documentation and the last one is to look at how do we provide the ability to bring Phill with into the city taking a look at what has to be detangled from the regulations you know there's probably one two I think there's four or excuse me five manuals that need to be DEC conflicted and what that means is there's references in there to what was the elevati program and we need to make sure that we develop a process for bringing bringing fill with into the city but also having established guidelines that we can look at for using the fill for um from a storm water perspective so when you look at it we're going to talk to the commission on the 1 of October about an approval of a work authorization and it's probably going to be between the LPA workshops and meetings and commission meetings and two readings of an ordinance it's probably going to be about an eight-month process so so that's what I do have so far okay if there's anything that uh we can do to expedite that timeline eight months is a long time uh from eight months from now I assume and as opposed to eight months from from a month ago when we when we first uh started down this road uh but if we can do something we can have special meetings you know outside of the normal uh regularly scheduled meetings uh I I'm sure uh the rest of the Commissioners would be open to that no it's at the Forefront of of what we're working on part of what we're going to have to do is run everything back through the state you know and we've put a timeline in there for what we think and or anticipate that the state would respond back because we'll also have to do the business impact statements over again so that's a little bit of a an unknown but we're you know laying carrots where we can to make sure we contact the State to let keep them in the loop on what we're doing so when we do get information up to the state that they can act expeditiously on it okay and I understand what you're saying if there's ways to trim down that timeline we will right as you as you know and as we have discussed before there are a number of uh residents and businesses that are waiting to get the green light so they can proceed with some of the uh either sea wall uh improvements or boardwalks a whole bunch whole slew of stuff that people are waiting uh for this thank you all right thank you Chuck um we'll move into public comments for non-agenda items if anyone does wish to speak during the section if you can please fill out a speaker card at the back of the room and Brant our city clerk um I do have several to go through so first up is ginger gerer if you can come to the podium state your name and address or district for the record you'll have five minutes Ginger gapper is it on I guess okay good Herold Avenue I'm in uh commissioner Dicky's District 4 um so mayor Commissioners Miss Cohen Mr Anderson and Miss Kidwell good evening I am here tonight for praise and gratitude I was unaware of all the Departments but there are four that I would really like to express some gratitude for this even uh first the police department under the leadership of chiefs bar and Barkley keeping us safe all year round and saving lives and I want to recognize especially the Parks and Recreation Department under the leadership of Kathy haduk who I like to think of as the queen of Treasure Island she's decades long leadership with all of her educational programs throughout the year all of her cultural and entertainment events I also want to recognize um last but not least probably foremost in my mind the public works department under the leadership of Mike helrick and Stacy boils Mike Works tirelessly with fot and with Gulf Boulevard he's always having to work with f do and uh Stacy boils with all of her expertise in um engineer uh environmental engineering she's a real keeper I hope her ears are burning now I know she's uh celebrating the birthday of her son at Bush Gardens right now unfortunately she can't be here but maybe she can see the recording they've done an outstanding really spectacular job of managing everything um the nice little signs on the causeway for the way Public Works sculpts the Landscaping to tending to our underground pipes uh with proactive preventative maintenance lining of the pipes uh replacing the pipes just really really outstanding public works department so I just wanted to um praise and give some gratitude for at least those four departments this evening thank you for your time I'm off to women's Bible study thank you thank you Ginger all right next I have Betsy hoey this is my first my name is Betsy Lewis hoey and I reside in District three Applause is not mentioned in the Treasure Islands City commission rules of procedure 9.2 rules of theorum at the September 3rd commission Workshop mayor Payne made statements that implied that the rules of the printed on the agenda were those set forth and adopted by Treasure Island for a commission I'm nervous beginning at 8 minutes and 13 seconds through 11:30 he referred to them as our rules 10 times Kim Matthew had not exposed the rules of decorum placed on the agenda that night and not from the city's commission rules we would probably be seeing them on all agendas moving forward I was hoping to see some sort of surprise on the mayor's face instead after Kim's comments he pivoted at 30 minutes and said they were just a suggestion from our city manager any staff member commissioner or resident who knew ahead of time that plagiarized rules of Decor decorum were going to be inserted into the meeting agenda disguises hours and did nothing to try and stop it are complicit in trying to purposely mislead the public in to believing that the rules of decorum printed on the agenda were actually ours if our law enforcement officers who attended the meeting were instructed ahead of time to be prepared to escal out anyone who violated the Applause rule they would have been enforcing another City's rules of decorum not ours and I provided transcribed excerpts from the September 3rd meeting that highlighted the deception presented to the staff commission and public and asking them to be entered into the official R thank you for letting me speak express my opinion thank you cara Sim evening kism district one um this is more directed actually towards um thank you commission again um for this evening but uh towards our city manager actually um I had to put together my thoughts on this um so I'm really going to read this um Saturday September 7th U my husband and I were in the backyard we were getting ready for guests um and a Treasure Island police boat with a police officer and co- compliance officer Jackie Gabriel um were spotted in my canal and they were about 20 yards out in and out of a dock area of a home um that is having a pool and deck put in um we weren't quite sure what they were doing um on a Saturday also um so on Monday I inquired about the boat in my Canal um through the city and um also checked and saw that there were no code complaints in the system on that home address um ironically after I put in the comp um information request into the city um a couple hours later um a complaint was logged on that house um the complaint logged was a verbal courtesy notice to contractors for elicit uh for elicit uh discharge draining groundwater into the water way without a filter this is a very serious accusation and could result in thousands and thousands of dollars in fines as we were witness we did not see anything that would lead us to believe water was being discharged into the ocean and also according to Jackie's background she has no building experience Contracting experience nor from a boat 20 to 30 yards out could she see if a filter was in place or not as it would have been on the other side of the npdes barrier which was blatantly in place I did finally receive an email back containing a single chain email showing that the boat actually had been in the canal based on another neighbor's complaint regarding a boat that had fuel smell open hatch and was taking on water as of right now that complaint is still not logged on that particular house another example Hotel owners on Gulf Boulevard had a similar issue not too long ago they replaced a fence and had a Cod complaint issued as it turns out no one had made the complaint Jackie Gabriel had entered it into the system herself the owners of this establishment went through the LPA planning and zo to ask for three variances the staff denied all three yet the board granted them this should have been an open and shut case in the system afterwards as the work had already been completed and inspected yet for two to three weeks after the owners had to battle Katherine junkins the community director who still insisted she needed more documents to close things out this was untrue it wasn't until they met with you actually Mr Anderson that you took care of getting things closed for them I have also had my own personal experiences with my own code cases and projects with Jackie Gabriel and Katherine yunin involved we had two code cases opened on our home by supposedly Neighbors which out actually turned both out to be false Jackie uh Jackie Gabriel under false pretenses pretenses entered one of their properties to take photos of our home these are actually on record with the city neither neighbor had actually made the complaint and one even testified to a judge photos were also taken via boat of our backyard these photos were taken from a police boat with zero record or accountability who was in the boat who authorized it and of course we put in this formal request with the city neither code was viable so both were closed I've talked about this before but State Bill 60 that was passed in 2021 dictates a code inspector can log something if they have reason to believe that the violation presents an imminent threat to public health safety and Welfare or imminent destruction of habitat or sensitive resources prior to issuing a citation a code inspector shall provide notice to the Violator that the Violator has committed a violation of a code or ordinance half the time this second portion never happens all three of these instances show that the building department is not adhering to the state Bill we are all residents and business owners in this city which means we all pay taxes is in and we we do our best to support our local neighbors it's one thing to have abandoned vehicles in your yard overgrown grass holes in your roof where the code should be enforced but the amount of money being spent by residents and business owners to fight your staff is unwarranted thousands and thousands alone were spent just between our three cases and I know we're not alone residents and business owners are continuously given misinformation conflicting information resulting in wasted time resources and projects being delayed therefore I'm asking for the formal resignation of Jackie Gabriel and an internal investigation in Katherine youngins as a community development director myself and the other two businesses are and owners are happy to sit down with you Mr Anderson and go over in detail our cases and I can guarantee you we are not alone in this endeavor my platform is accountability and the staff need to be held responsible starting now we need to bring common sense and good business practic back to our city government obviously to way into this my last sentence mayor Tyler is uh going into the 2025 budget in regards to the carry forward and incompleted projects I really hope the staff start being held accountable thank you thank you Kim Matthew good evening mayor and Commissioners Kim Matthew I reside in District 3 I just want to address um once again the meeting protocol and rules of decorum I notice that they've grown now to a full page but I do appreciate that it is more reflective of our rules and procedures that are in um our approved documents at the last meeting the mayor spoke about the need to revisit the decorum rules stating that there were issues maintaining decorum by the citizens that they were obvious dissenting opinions in the audience that the Applause is very distracting and not an appropriate way to Signal your agreement with comments instead you should come to the podium and voice those opinions however the rules of procedure say you should not get up to restate something that's already been stated that you're to avoid repetition so something's got to give either you're allowed to show in a non-verbal way your agreement with someone's statement or you're going to need to be allowed to get up and reiterate what's already been spoken I want to go back to the rules of procedure when you look at what has been printed the opening paragraphs there before the um rules that actually come from our approved documents you have an opening statement that was taken from the township of Long Hill New Jersey and Campbell County Wyoming are we not able to create our own information our own expectations should we expect constant revisions to these or you going to vote upon and adopt them into our city commission rules of procedure we just need to know which way we're supposed to be heading and what rules to be following I want to go back and revisit the term open government that is listed in those opening paragraphs on the agenda this evening open government as to by the doj is a governing principle that involves transparency participation and collaboration to make government more effective and accountable however open government does not appear in our approved rules for procedure for our meetings transparency participation participation listening to and implementing ideas from the public and other organizations we just need the right venue to be able to do that collaboration working with the public and the employees to solve problems you have a wealth of knowledge and information and Professionals in this city that I think would happily partner with commissions and commission groups and boards to try to solve problems open government can help to increase accountability build trust with the public inform government policies promote collaboration across government levels and support Democratic decision making I would encourage you to indeed Embrace those ideals and the principles of open government and ensure a positive environment for citizen input as quoted from your meeting protocol and rules of decorum if you want the explanation and the justification to be part of the city commission rules of procedure it should be revised and adopted by resolution your last revision was on May 18th of 2021 so perhaps it is time to revisit that and vote that in I also did a little digging and found the organization for economic cooperation and development it's an international organization that works to build better policies for better lives and the United States is indeed a member of this organization quoting from their website in addition to being able to voice concerns people need to feel these concerns will be heard and addressed especially when they have a direct effect on their lives such as in the provision and quality of Public Services on average um in in oecd on average in oecd countries only 40.2% of people find that is likely that a public service would be improved if many people complained about it what that tells me is that most people don't believe that bringing concerns to their public Representatives will improve service or outcomes for their City I hope that is not the case but I hope you will prove us wrong thank you Mark Coy good evening I'm Mark Hoy District 3 and I am one of the wey public that former interim city manager bubeck mentioned in an internal staff email earlier this year I'm wary of the growth of the city government despite a town population that has been shrinking since 2000 staff has increased by 18 FTE since 2018 alone and general fund expenditures are up 9.9 million a 76% increase in the past seven years I'm wary of a a city government that's soaks up and spends increasing property tax revenue while our downtown decays I'm wary of a city government staff who appear more focused on accreditations certifications points and awards than economic Redevelopment I'm wary of city government studies initiatives and planning that involves thirdparty consultants and non-governmental organizations I'm I'm wary of City leadership that stages what and when information is going to be revealed to the public to suit their narrative I'm wary when there's no apparent accountability when project deadlines and budgets are missed I'm wary of unfunded or underfunded city government mandates I'm wary of efforts being made to limit public discourse at city meetings under the guide of democratic and harmonious discussion rules I'm weary and I'm not alone thank you thank you Sue Perkins good evening I just wanted to ask some questions about the drainage around here okay because last year I saw the truck all the time and we had the the hurricane I had no water I even have pictures we had the storms I have not seen anybody drain this year at all so it goes to drainage and I think I've been here longer than any of you I've been here for 77 years so I've seen a lot I'm third generation my grandfather helped Pioneer this beach so I've seen a lot go down and I would appreciate it if we would see more drainage you keep building but we can't take it thank you okay thank you Katie ptron ptron sorry that she was in here making some noise my uh husband's a public defender from helis County so he's a little busy he couldn't watch the baby um my name's Katy ptron that's Penny Lane my daughter uh we live on aisle of Palms um we've lived there for a little over five years now we love it uh I know I met you there uh before you are mayor um nice to see you again uh I wanted to bring an issue up this been bothering me and my neighbors for some time and it's um increasingly more important in my eyes since I brought a child into this world um the speeding in Isle Palms is getting kind of out of hand um for being a residential area uh we walk our dogs we hang out with our kids we have a park we're hanging out we're having a good time we love living here like but um not this past uh Saturday but the Saturday before we had just come home from vacation actually my husband got two weeks paternity leave because my daughter's still under one and um a driver that seemed to be under the influence crashed into my friend's car Tesla uh my husband's car and my father-in-law's car total two of them I thank the Lord that we weren't playing outside because that's where we play you know like in our little driveway area um that my neighbors that walk their dogs up the street weren't walking on the street um I he was going 50 to 70 miles an hour I'm not really sure up our street sounded like a bomb went off um sorry I might get a little emotional it was a lot uh for living here this long and um we already have Speeders going up our street this is First Street East uh just so you all know it is not a main road people have sped up this road and almost run me and my dog off of the road I had to jump jump into the grass before for this reason and I understand people do not want speed humps and stuff and I I I can understand if you don't want to put them on 112th 115th but it's a lot of these 115th houses that are they're speeding to and tourists and we just need something in place to slow these people down before somebody gets killed somebody could have gotten killed two weeks ago I just want you to know that feel free to look up pictures my daughter and I walk up this street like six times a day eight times a day and um my my friend Carolyn who lives two doors down has spoken to neighbors and she has gotten people to donate to get those signs out on a Palms that say um children and pets at play uh please slow down but I have to just tell you that like it is so important to me we don't want to move we love it here we own a property but my daughter and I could have been walking up the street that day okay we could have been walking up the street and this guy could have run us over at 50 miles an hour and I need you to understand that because this a very residential area there's a lot of old people I know we know our neighbors I just I need you guys to hear me I need you to hear me this is important that's all thank you all right is there anyone else that um would like to provide public comment all right thank you all for being here and expressing your concerns um we'll move into commissioner reports commissioner to okay thank you good evening thank you and understand where you're coming from on Speeders because we have seen a few up running down on Capri as well and I've had voiced my concerns um I do want to remind everyone that music in the park is Saturday October 5th from 4:30 to 8:00 P.M for the ISA Capri civic association and the music will be by Ellie and Company we'll have food trucks um drinks by donation and raffle basket and then lastly is today is National voter registration day and I want to remind everyone to look on your Treasure Island website for the link to verify that you're registered especially our new residents and verify that your registration for voting is up to date and current thank you thank you vice mayor doctor yes so the Ia Palm civic association is going to start their monthly dinners again the uh the first one is going to be next Tuesday night from 6:00 to 8 it's a pizza dinner bring your own drinks and uh since the community center is going to be under construction uh the folks are going to be meeting at the city hall so we want to make sure that City Hall we'll have somebody over uh the civic association will have somebody over at the the community center directing everybody back over here just in case um and that's all I have for tonight all right thank you commissioner minning uh one thing about Pica Paradise Island civic association they will have a get together uh October 16th I believe it is um at the fusion so um come on come all should be a good event uh second thing is I'd like to um further discussion with what commissioner uh Myck Dicky anyhow uh with regard to um many people on Treasure Island in all districts are having issues with um seaw walls and wash outs uh leaks etc etc and uh I'm aware of one entity on in our district district three on Tarpon Drive where these entire seaw wall collapsed and uh as you know there's a no ordinance and um that particular family uh had to go to an extreme and the extreme is in order not to bring in Phil when they dug the hole for the dead head I think you all know what dead heads are the holdbacks for your seaw wall uh they had to greatly exaggerate the dimensions the volume uh of the dead head so they could generate enough fill on site to fill in behind their seaw wall that added about I understand around $6,000 to the um project um that just shouldn't happen folks in in here there ought to be some kind of provision um when an issue arises that is more or less the emergency um that there's some opportunity for our residents and our taxpayers to I don't want to say circumvent but on an emergency basis at least deal with the situation in a respons financially responsible manner uh I have discussed this item with our city manager and I just mentioned this to our City attorney and I'm hopeful that someplace in between there that something can be done um to help folks out who are faced with circumstances like that so um I guess stay tuned that's all I have M okay commissioner I had an email from a resident in Sunset Beach sent to me a couple of days ago and it and it uh is about a subject that that is very It's Hot Topic out on Sunset Beach and that's uh the beach re nourishment or this case the lack lack there up uh there was a storm a bit of a storm this past weekend we had a lot of surfers out there but usually when the Surfers come out that means you could probably expect some more beach erosion and for those who who don't live on Sunset Beach or or get to visit very often it is not like these beaches out here that you've got a quarter mile of sand from from the uh from the uh Golf Boulevard out to the to the beach uh there's very narrow uh beaches out there but anyway I wanted to read to you if I could and in particular read to the uh other Commissioners uh it says hiard I'm resident on 80th Avenue in Sunset Beach I regular watch the commission meeting recordings on YouTube and saw you recently brought up the need for Beach restoration here on Sunset Beach after this past week with the storm in the Gulf the beach is looking worse than ever there is hardly any sand and the sand that is left is heavily sloped into the water the dunes are virtually gone and root systems of many trees are completely exposed which seems dangerous with that said would it be possible to obtain more detailed updates on a regular basis regarding the status of the beach restoration uh for example how often are we meeting with Regulators what is discussed during those meetings what are the current steps and what are other Pathways being explored outside of the army Corp uh also do you know how passag gril Beach is being restored now how did they satisfy all the regulations and receive the funding so anyway I I just thought this this is not an atypical email or or concern by Sunset Beach resident and I know mayor you've you've addressed uh things I think we could do a better job on our website the last update on the website is about two months old but prior to that it was about a year old but so I think we need to do uh what this resident is asking and that's we we give more frequent updates on what uh what the city's doing what the commission's doing what the mayor is doing what and what the other uh municipalities in the area that have our the same problem that we do what what's going on there because it looks like you know a once a year update is not frequent enough so that's all I have right thank you um for me yes I that's something that I've um it's difficult to bring all of the sources on B tree nourishment information into one place and that's been one of my big frustrations is you know the primary entity responsible for it is the county so that should really be where people are going to look for information on that but you have all these different groups the chambers the um tourist development councel various City commissioners in their individual capacities various Beach Mayors um various City staff that are all working on this in tandem but there's not really any um one group that's pulling all that information together so um that is something that I've I've suggested to um the county to the Tampa Bay Beach's Chamber of Commerce to someone step forward to be that kind of Clearing House of information um but haven't seen that happen yet because it's hard even as someone who's trying to make an influence in the S on the situation to know what's going on and keep track of all the moving parts so um but I do think that a good step for us is to be able to is to have our website as updated as possible to relay that information to our residents so um rest assured to our residents that beach nourishment is definitely at the top of our priority list um and we're doing everything we can along with the county to make sure that that moves along um as as best as possible um I did want to ask um from the public comments Miss Perkins if you could follow up with me um via email or and I can pass that along to the city manager just to kind of elaborate on specifically what type of drainage you're referring to I'll certainly um look into that for you um and then regarding some of the other Commissioners um comments on the sea walls I too believe that that is a of a Paramount importance and I just wanted to kind of give some G some background and some um just further info on that so I specific Ally remember and I emailed these folks today um and I just looked it up it was in July of 2021 which was just shortly after a couple months after I was elected as mayor that I really started to recognize that there was an issue with our seaw walls and I was getting a lot of complaints from our Seawall contractors I met with them in group settings um to try to flush out what what how we can solve this issue of of potentially elevating seaw walls and in July of 2021 was when I um spoke with the condo complex of Entrada which was in my city commission District when I represented District 2 um so I had a good relationship with those folks and they were interested in rebuilding their seaw wall at that time in July of 2021 um that with them identified that yeah that's an issue that you can't if you're going to invest that much money in your seaw wall you can't elevate it a little even a little bit because we don't allow fill so that's really where this whole process that we really just kiboshed a couple weeks ago started three over three years ago is how long we've been working on this issue and Elevate TI was the culmination of that we got it almost to the finish line that was the solution there are a lot of different mov pieces that go into how do we do that so I I understand the the frustration with the 8mon timeline but we have to understand that this was something that has been in the works for over three years that we've been trying to develop a plan and a strategy for how to address allowing people to bring in Phill and to elevate their properties responsibly without impacting other neighbors so by us sending it back to the drawing board um at the last minute that's that's on us so um we had a solution we've decided to rework it um and that takes time so I just wanted to provide that context because I understand that eight months I wish it could be a quicker process too but um you know we still have a solution on the table that we have asked them to to rework so um just wanted to add that a little bit sure a comment on that um I don't think the burden should fall on the commission or anything I think if we go back three years and look elevati wasn't even on the horizon and um the opportunity then to bring in maybe it was in somebody's mind but it certainly wasn't in the Public's perview uh at that time to do a standalone ordinance that would allow for nonstructural fill to have been brought into the city for use in Seawall elevation period it's a simple ordinance it doesn't take a lot of work doesn't take a lot of verbage it could have been done but it wasn't and so I don't think to lay that on us mayor um is appropriate at all I if I'm going to I'm not going to lay the blame any place I'm just saying it could have been done it wasn't done and we are where we are so I just had to say that all right yeah let let me add something to that as well um you know I I I think that I speak in terms of uh some sporting events but uh what took place here I think is that um we went swinging for the fences um and uh you know in baseball you can swing for the fences or you can try to get on first base and I think that uh it was very poorly communicated what type of changes were going to be taking place uh we did see those but they were only within the last couple of months did we see what the work had been done over the last few years and I think that uh we needed more input earlier in the process and I think that if had we had that we would have fi dirt out there today all right um we'll move on I wasn't trying to open a discussion just provide some comments um so we'll move on to approval of minutes um first up is approval of minutes for the commission special meeting of May 15 2024 do we um have any changes that need to be made to those minutes all right I'll entertain a motion to approve I move to approve the minutes of the commission special meeting for May 15th 2024 as written second okay any um further commission discussion uh I'm just curious did we generally run about four months behind uh in getting this process because these are these are from five months or four months ago and I is that a is that a normal practice no it's not um however I'm just I'm trying to catch up okay yeah okay I'm just curious thank you thank you all right um do I have any public comments on the minutes hearing none roll call please vice mayor doctor hi commissioner Min hi commissioner dicki hi commissioner Toth hi mayor pay hi thank you thank you all right next we have our consent agenda there's one item on consent which is renewal of continuing Services contracts multiple disciplines do we have a motion to to approve the consent agenda I move to approve the city manager to execute contract extensions with the listed firms in their Associated disciplines second okay it's been moved and seconded um do we have any public comments on our consent agenda yes Mark Hoy just couple of questions Marky District 3 and uh rooting around in there of course there's 11 different contracts represented in this consent um virtually all of them were five years previously fiveyear contracts that have expired or close to expiring uh they're all being renewed basically in a two-year segment I don't know if that's significant or Not that we're only doing two year does it give us more flexibility or does it lead us to higher costs um the second year of course all the rates are adjusted now since these pre prior ones have have gone away and it's hard to make a comparison of what has gone up at least for me however in the second year of these new contracts they go up anywhere from 3 to 5% on the second year so I can only imagine all these vendors have been doing business with us for quite some time they're probably going to get renewed again in two years are we better off trying to seek longer contracts if that's allowable and if it's required um of course the reason it's coming before before you is their contracts that have a value over $25,000 so that's why you're involved what's not shown in any of the detail maybe you have it is what is the value of each what's the expected value of each of these contracts for over this next twoyear period is that known and if it's known can that be made public it may be an estimate we think we're going to spend uh $50,000 with AED in the next two years or 150 or whatever it is but obviously they're set up as kind of open-ended service agreements you can't predict everything but we've had them for five years in the past so we must know how the flow is I'll leave that with the question Mr Munger or Mr Anderson to kind of say how do how does the public know what we're encumbering ourselves for for the next two years with these 11 contracts thank you okay thank you I believe um Mr Magby did you fill out a card for this item it says L1 AED contribution rates J1 okay and just AED is one of our Engineers that's included in this so I just I thought that that might have been what you were I wanted to talk about the uh you g to state your name and District further um I'm on 10117 Tarpon drive here in Treasure Island and I'm in District three thank you um this would be concerning the extension or amendment of of the uh two contracts for uh AED I'd like to propose that those be deferred we have um a lot of the citizens have expressed concern before about the amount of money that was spent on ele Elevate TI uh that was build by AED we uh really have not gotten a good handle on how much has been spent and on that project and how much has been paid to um to AED we've requested an audit of that and an accounting until that happens I'd like to defer those two amendments and those two extensions of contract um until such time as we could get some accounting to the public and to all of you these um contracts with AED I believe expire today or with you know very quickly uh and the original contracts were done five years ago we have not put them out and this these two uh proposals appear to uh extend that those salaries those uh expenditures without putting it out to bid I suggest we put it out to bid that's a responsible thing to do get an audit of what has been spent that's an not going to stop anything that's happening right now as far as I can see or anything that's going to be happening in the future we just would like to get the uh get this out on bid these projects um and this the uh various fees were outlined quite some time ago and uh things have changed one way or the other so I suggest that we just put that off and then do a couple of studies on or not studies but just account to the public and to you folks as to what's been spent so far on AED thank you thank you all right do we have any other public comments on our consent agenda all right hearing none any further um commission discussion or comments before we vote doesn't all these contracts come back to us yeah as an individual contract so we look at them again there's a anything over 25,000 comes back for us to prove correct cor okay that's what I thought well that's what's written that's what I was going to say the same thing because okay under funding it says the use of these contracts is on an as needed basis subject to additional approval by the city commission so you know even if we were to approve the uh extension of these contracts any any expenditure of the of the funds that we've allocated would require approval any anything over the $25,000 T care okay yes okay all right any other comments or questions all right hearing none roll call on the consent agenda please vice mayor doctor I commissioner minning hi commissioner dicki hi commissioner Toth hi mayor Payne hi thank you thank you all right we'll move into our items of business first is item J1 ordinance 20242 adopting a property tax rate for fiscal year 2025 second and final public hearing C the attorney can please read the ordinance title ordinance number 202 24-21 an ordinance of the city of Treasure Island Florida establishing the property tax rate for the city of Treasure Island for fiscal year 2025 commencing October 1 2024 and ending September 30th 2025 providing an effective date all right good evening mayor and Commissioners I have uh five budget related items for you tonight um this first one is uh to adopt the fy2 property tax rate at this second and final reading hearing I uh making sure that we say both words so that we're on the record uh nothing has changed since the first reading with the fy2 rate the same 3.81 29 Ms as adopted in fy2 for um since nothing has really changed since the first reading I'll turn it back to the commission to answer any questions uh but I will remind uh the commission that there's special wording in the motion and uh we will need four fifths vote to adopt this proposed rate all right thank you do we have any questions for Mike from the commission no all right um with that I'll open the public hearing and um do we have any comments from the public on the establishment of our military I have a card from Byron Magby Magby 10117 Carbon Drive and um I'm in District three I'm urging you to reduce the millage rate below what's being proposed in this budget um we've had got a billion dollars of increase in property value over the last couple of three years it's in the charts in your packet for today as to how much it's increased we've continue to uh obtain more taxes every year uh and we're we're not spending the money that we're budgeting anyway on these projects let's return this to the taxpayers by reducing the millage rate um if we just um kept things the revenues the same um it would be like a 3.4 somewhere around there percent millage rate uh this 3.8% millage rate is way too high let's uh let's cut that back in fact what I'd like to do is have the commission explore cutting it back to in the uh maybe 3.04 something like that I mean there's there's a lot of calculation that can be done however we're way over collecting from the taxpayers putting the money in the bank not doing the projects let's go ahead and cut back on our millage rate return this to the P to to the taxpayers not tax them and then um when we need the money later on fine let's spend it let's let's vote it in but we've already voted in many projects that have never been completed or started uh yet we've uh taxed for them I think that um the uh I'd like for the commission to you probably already done this I don't know but just take a look at the property tax values that have increased in this on this uh City for the last couple of years in the increased revenues I think you'll get the idea that perhaps an increase in Revenue in millage rate is not the answer I think a roll back of the millage rate or at least keep it the same as it was last year but let's not roll it up 10% 10.5% whatever it is thank you thank you all right do we have any other public comment on the military all right hearing none I'll close the public hearing um and I'll entertain a motion I move to approve ordinance number 202 24-21 establishing the fiscal year 2025 property tax rate for the city of Treasure Island Florida at 3.81 to9 Ms which is greater than the roll back rate of 3.4 649 Ms by 10.04% at this the second and final public hearing number one mayor shall open do I need that's good thank you um do we have a second yes I'll second that okay thank you um do we have any commission discussion all right hearing none um roll call please vice mayor doctor I commissioner Min I commissioner Dicky I commissioner Toth I mayor Payne I thank you okay that's approved un unanimously um the final property rate or the final property rate for fiscal year 2025 for the city of Treasure Island is established at 3.81 129 Ms which is 10.04 36% higher than the rolled back rate of 3.46 49 Ms next item on the agenda is J2 ordinance 2024-25 budget for fiscal year 2025 second reading and final public hearing ordinance title Please ordinance number 20 24-22 an ordinance of the city Commission of the city of Treasure Island Florida adopting a budget and making Appropriations for the payment of the operating expenses of the city of Treasure Island Florida for the fiscal year ending September 30th 2025 and providing an effective date okay Mike uh like the uh previous item the budget remains um largely unchanged the changes that I erroneously included um is are actually detailed in the final item for you tonight um but I do want to highlight um the attachments that are included for this item uh in addition to the ordinance itself and the business impact statement um it the backup also includes the full City commission proposed budget uh the budget reconciliation document uh the carry forward list the 5-year CIP report and all outstanding POS as of nine as of last Wednesday um that list can change between now and September 30th but that was the most recent one before uh uh the cut off for the agenda uh with that and uh since there aren't uh any changes from the first reading I'll open it up to the commission for any questions okay any questions on the budget I do I have a question about the carry forwards and uh Mike I'll be talking with you and probably as well with Chuck um the carry forwards you know there are 39 carry forwards on the list and some of those go back to 2021 and so I want to make sure that we uh have a a forum a workshop that is going to give us the opportunity to review each and every one of those but not only review those what I'd like to see is when we do look to review is that each one of those has a full uh worksheet written up for each one because we know that the prices aren't the same so if they are important let's let's call it the um the master Pump Station there we go Master Pump Station thank you um that uh we now know or to our best of our ability we price it at it's what it's going to actually be uh or what we believe it to be I I know that we've got to do a lot of you know you take a look at 30s and 70s and everything else and then you you have the final price but uh each one of those needs to have each one of those individual worksheets done for all 39 items and those are U those are provided in um historically as far every CIP project has that as a worksheet for it um if any of them need to be updated for that conversation we can do so um but we will take a look and all the FY y 25 through 29 CIP are included in that uh CIP list that's included with this item as well and I've actually already started on a list and I've given it to Chuck for his review um I think that we could be back before the commission sometime in October um probably the second meeting in October if not early November uh to have that list um for your review and vice mayor just so you know um I am putting together or staff is working to put together a total list to include all carry forwards and projects that have been budgeted for fy2 in a project priority list to bring back to the commission what that will include is detail to the exact project um cost updates external factors if there's any um for for example if there's a project that is dependent upon or required by State Statute to be completed in a certain amount of time we're going to give you that information we're also going to be able to explain the project to you um and then it's the list will be given to the commission and then we're going to ask the commission to prioritize the projects so that we have clear guidance from the commission on what the top priorities are for this commission for staff to get done that doesn't mean that other items won't get done it's just asking for a prioritization and if as there's opportunities and bandwidth to do other things we're going to continue to do them some of them are major projects such as the master Pump Station and the Public Works facility um there's smaller projects there's a a monument sign that's to be put outside here in front of the building you know so there's a variety of projects that are going to be there and we're going to ask the commission for your prioritization and what we're going to do with that is then bring the prioritization back and take a look at it ensure that there's enough bandwidth within staff to do that and if not to come back to the commission and have a discussion about that and then on a quarterly basis when we're doing Financial updates there's going to be updates to the commission on the projects you know so there will be a quarter lead update to the Commission in the community on what the projects are the statuses and this will also be posted online so the community knows what's going on with the project so it won't be just an internal memo for staff it's something that'll be available to the public thank you to answer your question yes okay any other questions um please add that that's going to be presented at a workshop yes will it'll probably be more than one Workshop yeah because I don't want to ask the commission to sit there and prioritize their projects in front of everybody well we would like input from the public too oh most definitely yeah and it'll probably be broken into a couple workshops and we're also coming up with a workshop prioritization so what we're going to do is Advance let the community know when workshops will be done and on what subjects so we're trying to project that out a few months in advance so this way that the community will know Community will know when we're bringing things forth toward the commission and not just the the time when the agenda gets posted okay thank you that list of 39 carry forward items uh I'm sure all of us have looked through that list uh more than once uh and there's a lot of good stuff on there so it it's it would be hard to go say yeah we want to do this and no we don't want to do that uh so I appreciate the fact that you you've suggesting and the mayor has as well uh that we prioritize those but when when things get on the low priority list I think uh it's going to be our responsibility to say hey there's no way we're going to be able to do this within the next fiscal year so we will let that we I think we should let that money drop to the bottom line or more importantly put it towards uh offsetting the amount of money we need to borrow to make the Public Works facility so we don't have to borrow 6.2 million maybe we won't have to borrow 2 million for example so anyway so part of the process is not just saying whether this is a good Pro project and worthwhile because everything on that list is is worthwhile it's whether or not we can do it we can get it complete within the next fisical year and if we can't then let reallocate that money do you have a question commissioner to no the only thing I would like to add is that we kind of if we're looking at the projects and prioritizing them then we would look at them to which ones fit together as a puzzle you know if there's certain project projects that fit in a certain area that make sure we're just not overlapping and doing one and then having to go back and undo something to do the other that we look at them as a group area too like I know there's a lot with Treasure Bay on here to make sure that we're we're looking at it in a global picture too and not get lost in the minutia of it all okay any other questions for the staff right hearing none um I'll open the public hearing do we have any public comments on the budget I have apologize not turning a card I do have one card first so um Byron Magby and then I'll get to Mr hoey thank you commission members Byron Magby 10 117 Tarpon drive here in Treasure Island um i' like what I just heard in part but then I'm disturbed a bit by What I Hear Too um why hasn't this been done already um and this talk of priorities does confuse me perhaps it confuses some of your constituents too so maybe we should make that more clear um when a project is discussed before this commission the budget is uh is approved and the money comes in for it I I don't understand why it doesn't happen the next day I mean I've been in business a lot of these these people have when a client or a customer gives you money and says this is what I want and then do you just take the money and sit on it and say well I'll do that next year if you can't do it if there's some reason let the customer the client the the citizens know why can't it be done um this priority stuff is fine but it sounds like governmental talk to a lot of us really so make it more clear please why hasn't this been done was there some legitimate reason if not the next day after these things are approved there should be somebody out there getting a bid turning a shovel doing something just do the work please uh and this is one of the things I'd like to discuss regarding the budget we've got the $17 million of carryovers which just it's astounding to me that we can't um get these projects done I'd like to address some of the carryovers and then some well let's let me discuss first some of the uh budgetary items um I've discussed this before and a lot of us have the Public Works building $10 million please do not do that at this time let's study this we need to uh study Outsourcing the uh waste removal and we may not need a Public Works building we may not need trucks if we Outsource it we're free of all that problems all all of you and the city manager and everybody can can relax a lot more more knowing we don't have to ramrod that project uh and please do not authorize $6.1 million in borrowing we may not need that at this time I think let's just postpone that for right now to uh finish the study on Outsourcing solid waste and then perhaps not needing the Public Works building also the uh lift station problem um that's just something we need to to keep keep on and I realize that this may need to be Revisited re-budget because of of new um expenses I know it's probably more expensive now than when we started it when we first came upon this idea but let's get that done um I'd like to see that the in other words the Public Works building anything relating to that removed completely from the budget this year and um let's bring it up at another time after these studies are started thanks thank you okay Mr hoey just a quick question mark hoey District 3 looking at the budget reconciliation page and I'm I'll have to have you re-educate me because I missed the last meeting but the discussion at the previous budget meeting at the very end uh was about authorizing a Economic Development uh manager director director whatever level that's deemed appropriate and I understood the five of you had all agreed to that Mike took that as a marching order but I guess there's some technicality about adjusting the budget to put it in now but I know it's not shown in any of the budget docs so if you could explain that to me and maybe others that it's not being left out a quick answer that's item J5 on our agenda tonight and I I'll address it a little bit more in my discussion any other public comments on the budget all right hearing none we'll close the public hearing and I'll entertain a motion I move to adopt ordinance 202 24-22 adopting the fiscal year 2025 budget with the budget documents and prior year encumbrances as of September 30th 2024 at this second reading and final public hearing second okay it's been moved in seconded do we have any commission discussion all right um I just wanted to mention so as we're discussing this prioritization of City projects I think it's important to keep in mind that that has been done before in a a broader sense we every five years put together strategic plan so we're nearing the end of our strategic plan and um I think that that's probably where some of this kind of um uncomfortability or confusion about priorities kind of comes from is that we are nearing the end of that period so that may be something that we want to look at is is five years the right amount of time for a strategic plan or does that need to be shorter um but as a reminder for all of our residents um if you look at the cover page on all of our agenda items we have a a section on there that talks about strategic plan relevance and everything that we vote on or consider has to tie back to our strategic plan that we adopted five years ago so whether that's an expenditure a project that we're working on a contract we're approving a bid we're going out for everything ties back to something that we as a commission along with you the residents of the community came up within our strategic plan 5 years ago which was a process that we had public workshops um it was facilitated by a branch of St Petersburg College Collaborative Labs um it was a brainstorming session from our residents about what's important to you guys and that's our Guiding Light as a commission and as a city staff on things that are being added to the budget and projects that are being worked on so there are there is a method behind it there is rational for prioritization of different projects and that really is the Strategic plans so while I think it is important to do this exercise um until we have a new strategic plan and probably worthwhile doing every year as a little refresher of the projects we have in the pipeline and I attribute that suggestion to our our residents I think this is a great outcome that your feedback has has brought us to um adding and improving our process to review those those projects on a more frequent basis but we do have that um that Guiding Light with our strategic plan so as we discuss um redoing our strategic plan because we are in that last year of it I encourage everyone to pay attention to that process and make sure that you are engaged and um participate in those workshops when they do come come up because they are very they're very interesting and very collaborative um to address um just some of the other public comments um as far as not doing a project right away you know this is a a budget for the entire year so just because we're approving something in the budget doesn't necessarily mean that we are um going to move forward with it we're planning for the the next year so just because we've budgeted for it doesn't mean we're approving that expenditure every expenditure comes back before the commission and has a thorough discussion the budget is a plan for for the next coming year and that's how we plan for for projects that we intend on doing we have a budget Workshop we talk about it the staff puts it in the budget and then but as another check we make sure it comes back before us when we issue the contract that's really when the work should be should be beginning so I just wanted to clarify that and I think that there are certainly examples of an instance where we've authorized that expenditure we've started the project and it hasn't been execut it on quickly so I'm not saying that that's not valid I'm just saying it is a process a planning this is a planning document a planning process um so once the budget is approved isn't necessarily when the projects get started I also want to kind of touch on the Public Works building um we will be as the commission has directed um the staff to bring that back before us with a workshop to take a look at the um how the Public Works building what the layout looks like and what the scale of that is going to be in conjunction with a review of our um Solid Waste program and looking at what we what we might want to do with that I did just want to point out that the Public Works building as it's currently designed has only two garage Bays so while we could we've talked about one ideas is outsourcing the garbage um or par portions of it maybe the commercial um that doesn't eliminate the need for a Public Works building we have a lot more Vehicles than just our trash trucks that our public works department uses we have our police vehicles um we have the trucks that go around and service the waste water and the storm water systems we have the the crash is a very small portion of that so there's two bays in the planned Public Works building and just eliminating a part of our trash program isn't necessarily going to mean that we're able to eliminate one of those Bays so I just we're going to have a review of that we're going to look at it but it's not I just want to make sure everyone knows it's not like we're planning on a Public Works building with six garage Bays because we have garbage trucks that need to be parked in there every day to be worked on um it's two it's two garage Bays um and that's just kind of good redundancy for any any sort of Maintenance and Repair um building and then as far as the um economic development director again that will be addressed it wasn't able to be added to the budget because it was brought to us or it was noticed at first reading so that would have substantially changed this agenda item so rather than and we're under tight guidelines or tight timelines with the the state and the county and everything so rather than adjusting the budget we're doing a budget amendment the first reading of that Amendment will be tonight and then at the next meeting we'll approve that so it'll it's a just as soon as we approve this budget we're going to consider an amendment to add that position in there so it'll be as if it was in the original budget um um all right do we have any other um comments or discussion no right thank you all right roll call please vice mayor doctor hi commissioner Min hi commissioner dicki hi commissioner Toth hi mayor Payne hi all right um next item is j3 ordinance number 2024-25 adopting the fiscal year 25 Citywide Feast schedule ordinance 202 24-23 an ordinance of the city of Treasure Island Florida establishing a fee schedule and adopting appendix a as a city of Treasure Island's fee schedule providing for severability providing for conflict providing for codification and providing for an effective date all right good evening item number three uh similar to the previous two items uh the fee schedule is relatively the same as the first reading with the exception of the changing of the parking rate to four hours and um leaving the bike registration in the PD section uh until the program program itself can be sunset uh via ordinance um it's actually codified in our code of ordinances and our City attorney provided us the uh guidance that we should remove that section of the ordinance before we remove it from the fee schedule if not we would have to do it for free uh and with that I I I will open up to the commission for any questions okay any questions for Mike I I I have a couple of questions did you have something oh no you can okay all right thank you thank you commissioner uh page 19 of the fee schedule talks about uh resident parking permits uh and it has the correct dollar amounts that we discussed last time $5 for electronic passes and $45 for a physical hang hang tag uh it does have on there that uh there's a limit to one per address for a physical hang tag which I don't remember us discussing that but I guess we did uh but it doesn't have a limit on the quantity for electronic pass was that intentional or that's codified in the resolution the resolution that was passed that currently governs the parking pass program limits it to two per household so they can a resident if they have three registered cars they could get two electronic passes and one physical two passes total per household okay okay I just seeking clarification on that the other clarification I wanted is in the fee schedule for uh waste uh for solid waste removal we have uh plan to increase that by 10% and the justification I think some of the justification for that increase was uh to set aside money for future garbage trucks and I know we've already talked about we weren't going to spend the $830,000 or or order the trucks until we finish the evaluation of whether or not we Outsource uh garbage pickup uh so I would like to suggest that we not pass on that 10% rate increase until we make that decision of whether or not we're going to allocate or uh Outsource uh garbage pickup I don't think it would affect anything in terms of what we can improve here I'm just saying let's not execute the increase until until we know what we're going to do the in there's a 10% increase for garbage pickup planned there's a 3% increase for recycle pickup and I think we had discussed at the other meetings that there's a 7 percentage Point difference between what the Outsource recycling company and the increase we're going to pass on to residents for for that there was a 10% uh increase scheduled for regular garbage pickup and I think Mike when you talked to us about that originally on the workshop you mentioned some of that 10% increase uh was related to setting aside money for future garbage trucks not the ones that we already have included in this budget but for one to start setting aside money for $830,000 you know 5 years out or whatever the life cycle of of the garbage trucks are so my only uh request here is I'm saying let's not implement the rate increase until we've concluded whether or not we're going to Outsource garbage pickup residential garbage pickup okay that seems like quite a e hates so if you actually read at the top of the um rate schedule all of them say and even the budget Pages the rates are effective the December billing of the year that they're adopted okay but there is a two-month DeLay So any sort of rate change takes about two months for it to get um to pelis County okay mayor I would like to just say let's go ahead and approve it as it is uh and and I'll certainly support that but we can if we decide to Outsource garbage pickup we can come back and and maybe do an amendment to roll that back okay thank you any other questions for the staff all right I'll open the public hearing do we have any public comment on the fee schedule all right hearing none I'll close the public hearing do we have a motion I move to adopt ordinance number 20242 three adopting the Citywide fee schedule as appendix a to the code of ordinances to be effective October 1st 2024 at this second and final public hearing second okay any commission discussion thank you for being amable to that I think that that's a good approach um since we're kind of in the last minute here I think once we do that review like you mentioned we can always come back and um if that's the decision that we decide to move forward on we can always um come back and revisit that an amendment all right any other comments all right roll call please vice mayor doctor hi commissioner Minnie hi commissioner dicki hi commissioner Toth hi mayor Payne I thank you okay item j4 ordinance number 202 24-19 a budget amendment to recognize the American Rescue plan act funding second reading and final public hearing ordinance 202 24-9 and ordinance of the city of treasur Island Florida amending the fiscal year 2024 budget to recognize $3 million in federal funds in the general fund and transfer an equal amount to the Wastewater to preserve access uh to funds for the master lift station reconstruction providing for severability providing for conflict and an effective date uh good evening mayor Commissioners this is just the second reading of the uh arpa uh budget amendment that we brought uh to you guys back September no in August August 20th uh it didn't it wasn't able to make the uh second or the first the last meeting uh because of um advertising deadlines with the paper uh so that's why it's on this uh this second uh budget reading instead but those changes will be reflected in the final fy2 24 budget okay do I have any questions for Mike all right I will open the public hearing do we have any public comments on this ordinance right hearing none I'll close the public hearing and I'll entertain a motion I move to approve ordinance number 202 24-19 at this second and final public hearing second okay any discussion all right hearing none roll C call please vice mayor doctor I commissioner Min hi commissioner dicki hi commissioner Toth hi mayor Payne I thank you thank you all right next is item J5 ordinance number 202 24-24 budget amendment to adjust the fiscal year 2025 Personnel Services costs first reading and public hearing ordinance 202 24-24 an ordinance of the city of treasur Island Florida amending the fiscal year 2025 budget to add an economic development position a parking Community enforcement position increasing the cost of living adjustment for non-exempt employees to 5% and updating Personnel Service cost estimates providing for severability conflict and an effective date uh good evening mayor and commissioner so uh as JY just summarized uh this budget amendment basically cleans up the uh two positions that were U mistakenly excluded from the fy2 budget um and does change the cola for the hourly employees from 3% uh to 5% also while I was kind of underneath the hood I went ahead and with like a fine tooth comb wanted to make sure that there was anything else that could be updated just to be have the latest and greatest figures um and there were also some uh uh personal services costs that we could adjust and so that the the total net impact of this amendment um is going to be one 165,00 with 203,000 of that to the general fund if you'll actually see on the uh two of the utility funds we'll actually see a slight decrease because of some Personnel changes that have happened between the uh first salary snapshot and this revised one um with that again this is just the first reading but uh with that if the commission has any questions I'd be happy to uh answer any of them now okay um questions for Mike how much of this um could you give us a a breakdown I didn't see in the memo um really like a breakdown of how much we're planning on how much of this is for the economic development position how much is for the parking enforcement um I don't know if you had that sort of a a breakdown or figures in mind yeah the uh the planning uh the economic development position uh we just uh finalized that job description um and the uh kind of the budgeted salary for that one is 105,000 and that's a pretty um on par with a lot of the market rates for that similar position uh the parking enforcement uh is budgeted at the uh base rate for that salary um classification Plus benefits of about 30% or so um and then the switch from 2 to 5% I think uh Jessica provided some numbers uh for you guys uh so I I don't remember that number three to five right yeah from the three to five yes I think she provided some of those numbers and I don't have those immediately in front of me um but the combination and the net impact of all of those changes shake out to 165,000 okay great any other questions for Mike all right thank you do we have any public comment all right hearing none I'll entertain a motion I move to approve ordinance 2024 d24 to amend the fiscal year 25 budget at this first hearing and schedule the ordinance for a second and final hearing on October 1st 2024 second okay any further commission discussion all right thank you for bringing this to us and I'm getting that getting that fixed it's definitely important and I'm I'm excited to get recruiting for that position I think that it'll um be a really good solution for us and a big help in the city uh and I I assumed that it was going to be approved tonight so it'll actually be advertised in the paper tomorrow so we'll be able to bring this back to you guys um October 1st so it'll be like the first day of the new year so this so this will pretty much be a 365 day impact all right great girl call please vice mayor doctor hi commissioner Min hi commissioner dicki hi commissioner Toth I mayor Payne I thank you thank you thank you thank you Mike all right item j6 is ordinance 20249 amending section 50-17 General Provisions Article Five micromobility of chapter 50 traffic and vehicles um by removing the exm exception for micr Mobility devices on West Gulf Boulevard sidewalks for a second reading and final public hearing ordinance 20249 an ordinance of the city of Treasure Island Florida amending the city of Treasure Island's code of ordinances by amending section 50-17 General Provisions Article 5 micromobility of chapter 50 traffic and vehicles by removing the exception for micromobility devices on West C Boulevard providing for severability providing for conflict providing for catification and providing for an effective dat good evening pretty much as you guys just said this is the second reading to remove that exception on West Golf Boulevard um there have been no changes since the first reading you guys have any questions for me all right any questions for Mar Ellen all right thank you um we'll open the public hearing do we have any public comment all right hearing none I'll close the public hearing and I'll entertain a motion I move to approve and adopt ordinance of 202 24-9 on this second and final reading second okay any commission discussion sure uh is there a difference between sidewalk in the beach drill they're talked about in the ordinance yeah I know but the talk about them is different entities yes okay so the beach Trail is not a sidewalk correct it's specifically identified within there as to whether or not you can ride micr Mobility on the beach Trail and then the sidewalk is another issue okay that's my question question was mhm is the beach Trail a sidewalk no okay no it it's hold on let me pull the ordinance and I'll treated differently yeah sidewalk I'm wondering if the if it can be reversed and say that the beach Trail is a sidewalk so what they obviously within the commission's discretion to change the ordinance how um it desires but what I will say is that in there in the ordinance we were specific to identify where micr Mobility devices could be used went so far as to explain like bike Lanes versus shared paths versus the beach Trail streets and sidewalks so that there was no confusion for the individuals who are reading this and trying to understand where they could operate in the if I in the ordinance uh that was passed I guess in 2022 uh specifically said that micro ability Vehicles could not be were not allowed on any sidewalks within the city with the exception of West Golf Boulevard and I uh approached the city manager and spoke uh at the last City commission meeting I would like to withdraw that exception of West go Boulevard from from uh and have it treated as it is for all other city sidewalks okay and we all appreciate it too thank you all right any other discussion all right roll call please vice mayor doctor I commissioner Minnie I commissioner dicki I commissioner Toth hi mayor Payne I thank you thank you all right last item on our agenda is j7 authorize the city manager to approve a contract and purchase authorization to aao Inc doing business as AAA service company for demolition of the Old City Hall and the Public Works Administration building in the amount of $448 48 good evening mayor Commissioners I'm up here tonight to request 400 or 44848 to demolish The Old City Hall and Public Works Administration Building take any questions that you have at this point any questions for mate just did we receive more than one bid for this yes we did and this was follow okay thank you and do we have like a timeline of when we anticipate they'll go into action and get it done yes we do yesterday uh they started the ASB bestus abatement on the Public Works building uh tomorrow they are going to continue working on the asbest removal for The Old City Hall Once that is finished we were given an estimate of around six to eight days for the for the total amount of ESB besta baitman then what we're going to do is going to wait until uh October after October 31st because you had an agreement with uh middle grounds for parking after October 31st we'll shut down the lots and then we'll start demolishing the buildings figuring about 40 days so if we start November one or the week of November one we should be done before the first of the year okay any other questions good Mike in the uh in the bullet points the demolition scope includes uh you've got uh demolition removal and disposal of City Hall blah blah which is one story to include slabs walkways selected sidewalks and Foundations and then the next bullet says um the foundations and slabs are not to be removed that is correct okay is there a yes there is if you take the slab and the and the foundation out of the Public Works building then we don't have a place to to store Vehicles once we start moving them from the old side to the new side so it's just an additional hard pan because you don't want to park car trucks on a on side it'll sink okay so it's going to be a parking lot that's just for the um footprint of the Public Works Administration building it's in preparation for building Master Pump Station and the Public Works building okay thank you we I'm sorry do we have any plans to um reopen the parking lot once we demolish it the buildings or they're just going to stay closed they're going to stay closed that'll need to be used that'll be used at for Public Works uh parking if we move forward oh it'll be used for Public Works parking correct okay so that that will impact if the parking stays closed it will impact the American Legion and a few of the other small businesses um if you if you look at the map that I have in there and it's uh I I believe V attachment C is the base map for the project it will not affect any of the parking that is on the road parking so it will not affect any of the parking that is on the street correct but it will the parking lot that currently is associated with the c The Old City Hall that parking area will be yes closed we we leased out to the middle grounds will no longer be available okay yes but that's where most of the folks that on busy days Park uh there for the American Legion so we'll need to just let them know what's coming and I'd be more than happy to do that it'll be November one okay so you I'm sorry but I'm kind of confused and I apologize but you did say that we were saving a slab to put the trucks on yeah if you look at where the old it's 100 it's a 1,798 square ft mhm that is going to keep the foundation and the slabs intact so that we can park on top of that otherwise that would be a dirt lot and we may be able to get some s on it we're going to use it for truck parking okay I'm just not getting why we can't reopen the parking lot in the middle until we actually start projects that's all it's okay so yeah I mean that's a good question so once the Old City Hall and the um Public Works admin building are demolished why is it is it still going to be I'm assuming the demolition crew will have it cleaned up and not in a dangerous you can you can say keep it open oh that's easy that was the original plan was to put a fence around it and then use it for Public Works storage in preparation for construction if you want it open just tell me I I was going to say we can take a look at that look at it from a phasing piece on the construction and the demolition to see what can be made available or not yeah okay and we be good because you know we're forcing then Legion members to pay higher prices for the private lots that are nearby so that's why I was looking at it from an you know from our Legion and and things like that when you know we we're definitely less expensive like 50% less expensive than the private Lots next to it and I know that that area will need to be it will be used once we do get moving on the the master lift station at least um so I know that that'll need to be used for staging of equipment for that too so we might only be talking about a short amount of time and I don't want to make life super inconvenient for you guys so I think just kind of flush that out and maybe come back to us and we can um chat about it I don't think that'd be a problem okay thanks thanks Mike um all right do we have any public comment hearing none um do we have a motion I move to approve staff's recommendation to authorize the city manager to approve a contract and purchase authorization to AA a Inc doing business as AAA service company for demolition of the Old City Hall and the Public Works Administration building in the amount of 44,8 148 second okay any commission discussion I think we beat the horse all right car on roll call please vice mayor doctor I commissioner minning hi commissioner dicki hi commissioner Toof hi mayor pay hi thank you all right um are there any other items that need to come before the commission all right heing none we're adjourn thank you thank you