Good evening and welcome to the commission workshop April 21st, 2026. I'd like to call this meeting to order. The first item of well, I guess we'll do this uh on the uh the you would rather have the
announcement during business uh agenda, correct? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh then uh now if we could please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> City clerk, roll call, please. >> Commissioner Clark, >> here. Vice Mayor Vasquez >> here. Commissioner Sesan >> here. >> Commissioner Dicki
>> here. >> Mayor Doctor >> here. >> Thank you. >> All right. We have tonight uh one discussion item. That item is C1 public safety facility. and uh it was requested that Vice Mayor
Vazquez put it on the agenda. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh so, basically tonight, um what I wanted to speak about was just kind of um go over an update on the public safety. Um we've kind of went the first round. Um we had three
choices. Um we went through the first choice and they came back. um well over what was originally budgeted. Um we I know we're moving to the next choice um
to see where they're at. So pretty much what what I wanted to do was discuss that, what that looks like. Um I want to see if we have a timeline, what that looks like as well. um talk a little bit
about the grant and if we're in danger of losing the money that we brought back from Tallahassee last year, if we don't have shovels in the ground by a certain date, things like that. Um and I um for the commissioners, I printed out which
for the public it's on Granicus. Um it was the contract and the bid that the core I believe it's core construction had sent out. Um, so I I did print that out to kind of reference possibly during the meeting. Um, but basically if we
could just talk about why, and I guess that would be probably you, Gary, and possibly Victor. Um, kind of why we're going to the next group. Um, a little bit about that if we could.
Is that on? >> Yes. Okay. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners. Gary Volic, public works director. Um the uh I'm here to give you an update as as vice mayor mentioned about the public safety facility. Um just to just to give a
little bit of background just for the public just to get some timelines established. In January uh January 12th we issued an RFQ for um contractors to provide a design build um team for uh
for the city to utilize to uh design and build fasttrack a public safety facility for our fire and police departments. Um we uh uh received those on February 11th and an evaluation committee uh consisting of myself uh finance director
Victor Ortiz uh fire uh chief Trip Bar and fire uh police chief um John Barkley as well as Steve Iola of my staff were members of an evaluation committee. We went ahead and ranked there were quite a few submitts. um we selected the uh most
responsive three firms and uh they came back on the 16th of February to uh do a halfhour presentation and a half hour of questions and after that process the evaluation team scored those uh those firms and uh it it took a lot
of deliberation because two of the firms were very close and uh we ended up ranking them but uh uh on on uh feh March 3rd We asked the commission to award uh the contract to core construction to be our RFQ um
contractor. Now there were three key elements of the RFQ. One of them was a target budget. One of them was a g a guaranteed maximum price uh that we had given a threemonth deadline to develop
and the third was a a roughly 16 month uh construction design construction schedule. We had a a our kickoff meeting of which we had 15 or more people at it hour and a half. uh we stressed the uh the
urgency of the project as well as our our cost constraints to the contractor. Subsequent meetings were held and during that time it was uh it was apparent that our trajectories weren't uh aligning as far as budget or schedule. Um so based
upon that I I conferred with the uh city manager with uh the city attorney our finance director and the uh procurement officer David Green who's our assistant finance director and we discussed what options there were at that time we were
advised that the because of the basically meet not not meeting any of the three targets um it was best to issue a notice of default of which we gave them a week to cure the contract deficiency and deficiencies.
On April 9th, we received a response from Core Construction saying that they were requesting a termination for convenience and that they would not be able to participate on the project. At that time, we reconvened um with uh uh
the evaluation committee, the city manager and uh city attorney, and we um uh uh reached out to Builtmore Construction, which was the second firm. They were both fairly evenly matched. Um they indicated a willingness to meet our
RFQ objectives. And uh in the week and a little over a week time frame, we've we've got contracts established. Uh they've already had a a a we've had a an in-depth meeting with all the fire chief and police chief there um
talking about construction techniques to accelerate the construction to keep costs down and to try and meet our RFQ objectives. So, um, we we've, uh, they've already had a precast contractor
at the site, uh, evaluating, uh, access to the site and for crane and, uh, equipment placement for accommodating a fasttrack, uh, foundation package and also getting pre-cast panels to the site so that we can start uh, getting a a
building uh, moving as fast as possible. Um, in summary, I I I uh I I have participated in all the meetings we had with the previous contractor. Since then, uh the Builtmore Construction has shown incredible uh adaptation to our
needs and responsiveness and um uh they are a little more local as far as their offices in Clear their headquarters in Clearwater. um they've demonstrated uh a good solid knowledge of the vendors in the area to to help meet our construction needs for electrical,
mechanical, plumbing, things of that nature. So, I feel very comfortable in telling you that this recommended strategy for our transition is a sound one. It's it's been endorsed by um all the members of the team. Um, and um, I'd
be happy to answer any questions you might might have regarding the project. just for I know what pre-cast is, but in case someone doesn't know what that is, can you kind of explain that because that was something that um I was
actually a little bit excited about because I know we have had a house in our street built like that and the project went extremely fast and literally the people were living in it in nine months which was crazy to me. I was like nine 10 months. So can you kind
of explain what that is? Well, the the uh the pre-cast construction technique uses, you know, pieces the wall segments um are are fabricated offsite um in a quality controlled environment. Um windows, doors, everything's cast into
it. Um when the project arrives, it's basically assembled at the site. Uh they'll probably be using holo core planking for the floors. Again, that's pre-cast offsite. So, they just basically come and assemble the building. I don't know if any of you seen the uh um the parking garage that
went up by the by the uh YMCA on First Street uh North, but that went up so fast and it's it's giant and they they they that's all pre-cast construction. So, it was just one of the things that they identified. In fact, they contacted
their pre-cast contra construction uh vendor specifically and was able to get them out there that quick. That was pretty surprising to to have that kind of response. The other thing is the uh the floor plans. They've already got the floor plans developed that meet our
program requirements. Um they they were innovative in terms of putting some of the office space above the apparatus bays which will um another a way of cost savings that they've identified. And they they feel that um uh the the the
project that that that production technique of using the pre-cast panels will not only speed up the process, cut cost, but also provide it'll be relatively a cat 5 building when it's when it's constructed. >> Thank you, Gary. I appreciate that. Um,
one of the big things again that I wanted to reason I wanted to address this before we go because it's on the agenda and the main meeting was to kind of explain and you have done that as far as why we separated from the first one.
Um the commission has the contract again it was on um it was on granicus as well so it's p public knowledge and the numbers they came back do you feel confident
that they'll come in at a do I should say do they feel confident that they'll come in at a lower number >> when yes they they have expressed that um they have they are really wanting to work with us to try and achieve our
budget target or as close to our budget target as possible and the team both in terms of from a from a design procurement but also from from the needs of the fire department and the police departments. They've all everybody's on board. Let's try and get as efficient
and good a value product as we can and and and Builtmore is committed to that. >> Okay, that's good news. Um, you know, of course, my fear is that what I don't want to happen is a stall. Um, because
it's this has been drug out so long. Um, so that's obviously my biggest fear. So, um, you know, hopefully they come in not too terribly much over. Um, but realistically, we know that that's a good possibility, but hopefully it's
less than the last one we got. Um the money that we were and this is probably more of a Victor question. Um the money that we are set to receive from the state u that we the million and a half
from last year um and we're in for 4.5 if they hopefully by July we'll know they'll have to have the budget by then. Um is there any fear or any expiration date that you know of on that money? um that they want to see shovels in the
ground or it expires. >> So yes, those uh money expire but I believe with billmore and what they had presented to us is inside the before the expiration date. >> Okay. Now this money we're going to receive it based on percentage of
completion like even if we have 1.5 million of qualified expenses so they will give us the amounts based on 25% of completion of the project uh 50% 75% and and such. >> Okay. And you feel confident that they
would meet that expiration date if we move forward with them? >> I do. And what I'm going to do also is for next meeting with Bilmore, I'm going to express that that to them >> because that's I mean, >> but it looks like we're inside it. >> Okay, that would be great. Yes,
>> because that's what I want to again I want to make sure that we stay on target and goals and for those who don't know about that you know generally those do come with expiration dates and everybody knows that this is my has been my goal
from day one of of getting sworn in because it's been far too long that our police and fire have been in that old building and and they've you know they need they need a place so I just want to make sure that nothing is going to stall wallet. I don't obviously want to lose
the money that we fought so hard for and you know it's it's a tough budget year in Tallahassee once again. So I feel like we have a better chance because it's probably budget's probably not going to be done till June is what they're talking about now. But I feel
like we stand a better chance if we at least have forward motion. Um because I can tell you the people that I talked to are like, "Are you guys under contract yet? Have you broke ground yet?" So that is that is a big thing, a big issue. And I knew you would know the answer to
that. But um so I would just say as far as that goes, we just need to all of us need to remember that that it we have goals and and expiration dates that we need to meet. Um, I think realistically,
you know, we all have to be have common sense. I would say when we get this because we're going to have two estimates at that time and I think that that will give us the information we need to know true cost. Um, I know what
our budget was. However, you know, getting that number in and then quite frankly just looking at the number of cost of other places that have been built recently, um I think once we have that number, we can make a a better judgment in my opinion. Um but I just want to make sure
it's not stalling. That's that's the most important thing to me is make sure it's not stalling. So, um basically I I mean that was my my main thing. I mean, as of right now, I don't know if anybody else has any questions
or anything on it. >> Yeah, I I do. I mean, Victor, this sounds to me as simple as same thing that happens to residents who are building homes around here. We got a bad contractor maybe that wasn't the most honest with us or more forthcoming with us and now we've had to switch to
another one who seems like they're doing everything we want and seems like that they can do the project uh at our target that we had. Does that sound accurate? You said Victor. >> Oh, I I'm sorry. I meant Gary. Sorry, Victor. I couldn't figure out why you're
looking at me like that. I'm like, "Holy crap." >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I I think the the fact we had not even the the notice to proceed because we just hadn't gotten the the the the asurances we needed to
for the city. Um, and we felt it was better for us to to part ways early or immediately as opposed to waiting too long on that. And and as far as even, you know, right now the the the the timeline of construction, you'll be
you'll you should be seeing construction in summertime here. Um, starting uh they weren't going to start construction till January at the earliest, the other team. So, I mean, really, if anything, this move has has has kept us on target as
opposed to uh being further delayed. >> And and do you feel that this can be done for the $8 million? I know you've said that to me before. >> We're going to do our best to keep the within, you know, keep the budget as as low as possible, but that's that's our target budget.
I I I had some questions on the handout that uh Vice Mayor Vasquez gave us. Uh you I'm sure you've seen this uh letter. It was a letter from uh core construction uh basically uh uh asking out of the contract. But anyway, on on
page two of that handout, and I don't know if you have it in front of you or if you need one of us to give you a copy of it, but it had three different scenarios. A D and I don't know what these terms are or mean, and maybe you can help clarify it. It's the first scenario was
DCP bases no circulation/stairs and that was the 10,620 square ft and it had two different scenarios. Can you explain the three different scenarios there? Because it it does go from the 10,620 square feet
which was what what the uh original design uh or image or not image but uh thought about the uh the new facilities was going to be 10,600 ft. But talk about those three different scenarios and and with each one why the price uh
went up substantially. Well, if anything, this identifies to me the lack of preparation by the first team. Um the the design build um design criteria package included some floor plans and it
also included lists of uh u uh of of rooms that the fire department, the police department needed like evidence room uh you know gym uh kitchens that sort of thing. and they just had some square footages that they had pulled
together based upon some of their uh either experience or other buildings that they had been in. Um I had used those square footages to put together our floor our floor plan package in the design criteria. They didn't even take a
look at that because we already had our hallways included in there. So, you know, they say no circulation stairs. Well, they were just looking at strictly the table of numbers that we had had as far as the size of the rooms, but the actual buildings that were shown had had
hallways, had stairs and corridors. It had this, you know, primary stairs, secondary stair, had all those things identified. So, for them to go, well, no circulation or stairs and and then so if you add stairs, it adds 10%. They didn't even draw it out. They just threw a 10%
on it. and and then oh now with the the appar apparatus bays I don't know apparatus that's a spelling error there but um we had all that identified the the the the architect for for Builtmore has floor plans that meet our
program needs with our our our hallways and they're fine with everything. So I don't this was almost like an ups you know I don't know I can't speak for it but I these are the kind of things that didn't show me a lot it didn't give me a lot of confidence in their team
and and um I believe it was all information um that was just you know let's quick and dirty let's throw 10% here this I I I uh I'm I'm much more uh uh impressed with the level of effort by
uh the Belmore team >> I stopped by earlier today and looked at the uh fire station uh number two for city of St. Petersburg over on 66th Street and 26th Avenue. Uh it's under construction. I think it started in March, but I the the the best thing that
I uh uh took from that brief trip was that the uh Builtmore Construction Company are the the the uh contractors for that new fire station right there just around the corner. So, I was glad to see that. Thank you.
question, Ardan. Um, sorry, Commissioner Dicki. >> Um, it's so if it's the same, are they doing the I'm just curious if they're doing the pre-form did you or were they past that? >> I they were No, they weren't up to that
point. They were still laying the foundation and stuff like that, but it was uh I did do some research on that particular site. And it's a, you know, it's a fullervice uh uh modern-day fire station with with all the bells and fireworks uh to and
the price of that particular fire station 8,700 square ft was uh I think they said between uh uh 8 to8 million for that particular station. So just under $1,000 a square foot. >> Gotcha. I was just curious because that
would be kind of if it is the preform, it would be kind of neat to >> watch that >> watch it happen. Yeah, >> that's why I was curious. >> Okay. >> All right. Do we have anything else up here? If not, uh we're going to take
public comment. And the first one for public comment is Mark Hoey. Uh, good evening, Mark Hoey, 225 104th Avenue, District 3. Uh, just a couple of things. First off, I think it should go
into the the record. Uh, the numbers. I haven't heard the numbers. First, the numbers, which were outrageous, Gary, as you said, the numbers for what core was forecasting. In the end, their range for total
project cost was 14,500 to 15 million. So, I guess we could take it with a grain of salt. They didn't want to do this project. And that can happen, too, and say, "We're going to put such numbers in there. Well, we we'll never do the project." Okay,
great. We just wasted three months. I get that. But what if they're numbers are partially correct? So, I guess that's the question, right? Okay. Okay. So, Builtmore, what I haven't heard and I want to clarify with Gary is
is there now with Builmore or are we proposing to have a not to exceed number in that agreement? And again, I know he doesn't have to answer me. Uh, but I think that should be a part of it, a not to exceed number. And then, of course, the other part was
time. Core threw it out to 24 months. um and we were trying to stay within 14 16 months. Is that possible? And according to what I heard from Gary, the type of construction will most likely get us there. But I would like to hear the
number. Um and again, I guess we're still betting on, hoping, wishing, praying we're going to get $4.5 million from the state out of their uh generosity. don't know, but I hope to know what we're going to do if we don't
because we've heard several times in this very room the real concern about budget numbers for next year and the year after as the property tax activities kind of shift a lot and we see the values of properties dropping
significantly. So the other thing and and this is just a bit of a history lesson as my time allows. Um the name of the architect that Builtmore has brought in on this Womaker
Jensen struck a nerve for me and some of you in this room go back far enough to when the was proposed to buy this building. And before this very group uh of commissioners on May 5th, 2020, the
proposal was turned in and approved to buy this building and then assign design services to Waker Jensen for $280,000 at the time. I would hope that uh they met the
standard although we all know how off track this building went because we paid 6 million 350 for the building which left after their fees a million298 towards renovation.
We far far exceeded that. So, I'm hoping that wasn't a scope creep or some other creep that Waker Jensen brought into the mix or that just cost overruns. Likely uh we don't know that much.
Lastly, with them in August of 2022, we hired Wanomaker Jensen to do the design work for the still but soon to be built pump station. So, we've got some experience. I hope we have experience that they maintain and live within their
budget and can do that and spread that skill to Builtmore as well. I thank you. >> Thank you, Mark. Robert Baso. >> Evening Robert Baso Capri. Um again, great a great meeting. Uh really
appreciate this. Uh uh it's great to know the cost of a firehouse like uh Commander uh Commissioner uh Commander Commissioner Dicki said, but how so how are they servicing that debt? So it's $8 million. So how is that city paying the debt? Um I think numbers count and
timing counts as as Commissioner Vasquez said. Now this is goes back over two years ago. At the time it was about $600 or uh $600 a square foot. So you're looking at about $6 million for a uh a 10,000 square foot building. And uh at the time uh we were talking about should
we combine police and fire department and things like that. And two years ago we were expecting to get $6 million. So we're looking to service $6 million of debt. This is about two years ago. Um prices have gone up. So the more we delay the more prices got up. So from 600 now I think it's 850 or in this case
$1,000 a square foot. So timing matters. I mean who doesn't want a nice building for our police and fire department? I mean, it's as it's as American as apple pie, uh, baseball, and pickle ball. I mean, it's it's it's America. It's America. We want to these people deserve a a great structure, but it really comes
down to uh to price and and to budget. I mean, I'm a simple I'm a simple government guy. I have a mortgage. I understand mortgages. I understand principle and interest. I don't understand bonds. I don't understand servicing uh commercial debt, but I I think it's real expensive and real
complicated. So, uh, one of the interesting things I heard, um, again from Commissioner Vasquez is somehow the state is going to be, uh, would be more amenable to give us money if we had a contract in place. But I think that's kind of backwards, right? We need to have a budget. I mean, first a budget
first. We need to be thinking about either servicing our own $8 million or that's one one line uh, one column. Another column is, you know, only servicing $4 million worth of debt, right? if we get four million dollars or or $6 million from the from the state.
But we should have that number, I think, before we go go further, don't we? Don't you think? I mean, I'm not gonna I don't buy a house. I don't buy a car unless I know my budget. I know my income uh uh and I know what the price of of the car or the house costs and I know what my my monthly payments are, right? I don't
think we have a handle on that. And maybe somebody does. I mean, Victor is one of the smartest guys I know. Maybe he he knows what this would cost. So we buy a building of $8 million and we service a whole debt. What does that cost us? I don't know over 10 years, 20 years, 1520 million. I mean something
like that. So I think I think we really do have need to have a better handle on what we're getting from the state, what we've gotten from insurance, anything from FEMA. God help us if we ever get money from them. And just look at exactly the cost of doing business. But we definitely need to get these guys and
women um in in their particular in in their building and do it quickly. But I'd like to have a feeling for what it's going to cost us. What's the bottom line? What's the numerator and what's the denominator? And let's get this thing built as quickly as possible. Thank you. >> Thank you, Robert.
Sarah Pennington. >> Good evening, Sarah Pennington, District 2. Um, I I've enjoyed listening to this information and I wanted to just say, Gary, I think you're doing such a great job and we're really grateful to have you. You seem to really care about um
your position and really looking out for the residents of Treasure Island and and I appreciate that personally. This presentation, I loved the information, but it did leave me with more questions than answers. And since it's a workshop, maybe maybe we could get some uh answers
to a couple of my questions possibly, which is yeah, this projected cost from the new contractor, when will we know what that cost is? Do we have a date that they're going to get back to us by with the projected cost? Do we know?
>> Go ahead. The guaranteed maximum price uh is to be delivered in 90 days from the notice to proceed. >> Okay. And then once we get that cost, is that going to be discussed at a meeting or is it just we're moving forward with
them? >> I'll answer that one. It would need to come before the commission again. >> Got it. And then is there a limit in the going I maybe Mark or Baso touched on it like is there a price that we go okay
this is too high and we can't do this. Is there some sort of cap on this? We know what we want it at the 8 million, but is there, you know, a decision? I guess we would make that at a future meeting. We need to know how high we're willing to go and and if it is past that
point of what we're willing to go to, what is our backup plan if we don't get a quote within the budget? Do we have a backup plan? Because time is so important, right? So, I think what I want to think about is is it possible for us to start looking at backup plans?
Like, how can we find out, let's just say we get the numbers back and it's like it's a no-go. We can't do it. It's too expensive and we just can't afford it. Okay. How can we find out how much would it cost to put the police in city hall and rebuild just a standalone fire
station or how much would it cost to put the police in city hall and uh you know, houses in our neighborhood have done it. build on top of the old fire station. The different options available to us. It would be great if we could find that out. I don't know how to find that out,
but it would be great if we could so when the time comes we can make a more informed decision. Thank you. >> Thank you, Sarah. Any uh anyone else that would like to have public comment?
If not, we will adjourn. >> I wanted to comment on some of those >> Oh, okay. questions if that's okay. >> All right. >> Because it is a workshop, it's the only time we really get to discuss. So, um, so I kind of wanted to go over Boso's
comments. Um, Mr. Boso, um, I agree with majority of what you said and, um, I will say that I know in God knows because this has been my passion project. I've done research and research and research. the majority of not just
fire and police but government buildings as a whole um they are put to debt service and put out for 2030 years because these are generational buildings um they're not you know 20-year buildings. So instead of residents today
paying for the full amount even if we have it in the bank, it's something you would spread out generationally. That way we're not absorbing all the cost for a building that the next generation is also going to um and that's exactly how it's explained when
you do a lot of research. So that I actually knew the answer to on that. Um I believe and um I don't think you were here Victor but maybe you were when we originally were on the verge of
approving before. Did we do and if you weren't here I apologize. I believe we did a debt service. Didn't somebody do a presentation on debt service if we did $12 million or am I mistaken? >> We did have
>> I thought so. I thought so. >> I do have a plan to put another workshop for explaining the board what to expect if we're going to borrow money. >> And I actually put it in some of the previous uh meetings, but uh once the negotiations uh were uh stored with uh
core, I postponed it because I want to do this presentation as as close as possible. Sure. from the GMP uh date because the market conditions are going to be different and and I agree with Mr. Bos
comments and we are all frustrated because we don't have those numbers now. I frustrated as word but right now it takes just to be a little bit patient and get those GMP numbers. >> Absolutely. And I I do I thought I remembered that right that we originally
had done that. So yeah, again, you're exactly right. It's it's time and getting the the cost back. Um, and the very good question was why and how does that work as far as getting money from
the state? Why is it more likely um to get it once you have shovel in the ground and things like that? So historically, those are the projects that get priority funding from the state. Um, if you know, you're sitting
there and and you know, you're sitting in front of the legislature and and you're allotted $4 million for your district or 10 I think it's actually 10 million if I recall, $10 million. and you have a project that is here that is
either shovel in the ground or shovel ready or you have a project that is still in talks and hasn't even been approved by the commission. That one seems more reasonable because they need that money now because they're already spending that money. This one, who knows
when they're going to approve it. That's just the way government works. It is. I I get what you're saying because as a business owner, yeah, you project your cost. You know what it's getting, but it's it just is the way government works. If a project is shovel ready or
shovel in the ground, it is more likely to get the sum of money. Now, all that being said, it's not a one-time thing. This is something we can ask for continually. This is not something that, you know, okay, they gave us a million and a half last year and that's it.
That's all we get. You know, it's one of those situations where, you know, you can continue to get grants. You can continue to get the different things to help with it. But I just wanted to explain business-wise, you're 100% right. You want to know all of that
upfront. Unfortunately, as we all know, government doesn't do things necessarily the common sense way, but that's how it works. And that's why once we have an approved contract, once we're shovel ready, the likelihood of us
getting a large amount of money is much higher. Um, case in point, St. Pete Beach last year got $3 million because they had already started building. So, they received $3 million toward the project and I believe it was a
$12 million project, I believe. Yes, $12 million project. And so, because they had already started it, that's why they got the the larger sum of money. So, I just kind of wanted to explain that because you're absolutely right. There's
no common sense to it, but that's just the way that's just the way government works. And I think Oh, and Mr. Hoey, I just wanted to comment on something you said. What if we don't get grants or money from the
state? Absolutely agree. Which is why I that is something we have to plan for. You know, hopefully that doesn't happen, but that's where once we have a price where Victor will come in and do that projection. Okay, if we do it 30 years, you know, it'll be this cost and stuff.
and we have to look at it that way in hopes that we'll get the money. But you are absolutely correct. You have to definitely look at it from a what if. So we have to make sure we're covered at the end. And that kind of sort of
answers your um question also, Sarah, is what is that breaking point that we can afford? And that's basically what it'll come down to is being able to break it down. Victor will break it down to how much the servicing will cost and then we'll make the decision from there and
that's when we'll know how much we can truly afford. So, I just kind of wanted to touch on answering those because they were really good questions. So, that's u that's all I had to say on that. >> I may if I might may I'd like to just add a little bit to that uh discussion
regarding financing uh uh for the public safety facility. I think that's a it's something we can take a look at uh as an option at some point in time. If it comes in in the range that we're hoping it will uh we would have we currently
have more than enough money to pay cash for the the facility or to pay as you go uh to where we wouldn't have to borrow money. But uh that you know I I'm open to a discussion about which is the better option. So, so, uh, I mean, if it
gets up to 15 million, then that's a totally different discussion. But if it's in the general range of what we've been hoping to get, uh, I think then we can have a a fair discussion. Victor can lead that obviously to talk about which is the best way to go for this
particular project, the the public financing or or paying cash. >> One last super quick question. You said in 90 days they have to come back and tell us what the final cost is going to be. Is that right or did I understand that wrong?
This first phase is they do sort of the design concepts and get enough information, talk with enough vendors to get firm prices and they establish a guaranteed maximum price that they will present and that will be then presented
to the commission for discussion and and and finance director will be giving you you know options as far as you know paying and then you'll make your decision. That's that's when we actually get into the big contract. Yeah, I guess my point is um the other the other I
know you're getting a much better feeling from this firm and it makes sense that the construction techniques they're using could make it be less, but there's nothing that keeps them from stopping now and coming back in 90 days and saying it's going to cost $20 million or whatever they I mean they can say anything, right? There's no they
haven't agreed to any type of cap at this point. >> That's correct. >> Okay. All right. So, uh it is now 20 minutes to 6. So uh we have 20 minutes before our regular meeting will start and we
are now adjourned. Good evening and welcome to the regular commission meeting for April 21st, 2026. I'd like to call this meeting to order. We have previously done the uh the pledge of allegiance in the first meeting. So we will move forward to roll call.
>> Commissioner Clark >> here. >> Vice Mayor Basquez >> here. Commissioner Sison >> here. >> Commissioner Dicki >> here. >> Mayor Doctor >> here. Thank you. >> Okay. Approval of regular and workshop agendas. Are there any comments changes? >> I do have a comment if if I may.
>> Uh this message is for Lisa or and or Tia. Uh as you finalize the minutes for the April 7th commission meeting, I would request that my commissioner comments be fully and accurate accurately reflected. Specifically, please include the questions I raised
during the meeting where limited or no responses were provided by the city manager, Charles Vanzant. Uh towards the end of the discussion, there was a clear breakdown in responsiveness including Mr. Van. >> Yeah, that's uh not
air this out here just to ask for what to be included. >> Okay. Um there was a clear breakdown in response including Mr. Vanzan stating >> just the same thing. Well, it's what I want on the record. >> Let's go ahead and move on.
>> It's what I want on the record. It's very important to say this. >> Well, this isn't uh approval of regular workshop agendas. How does that come into it? >> It's not. We're not even on that that uh you usually use that for your uh commission comments.
>> Well, I'll move it then. >> All right. So, uh is there anything else? Okay, let's move on. We have proclamation uh recognition certificate of appreciation recognitions uh pinning ceremony for a
completion of one-year probationary. >> Thank you, >> mayor, commissioners. Thank you for having us here tonight. Um, we come today to present uh the badge and the helmet shield to firefighter Travis Deberry. What this signifies in our fire department world is that Travis has been
with us for one year. That first year is spent on probation. Um, legally that means we could cut him loose for any reason at any time. Um, but thankfully we have not and are not doing that. Just the opposite. Um he has taken this year
to prove to us that he can do the job both fire and EMS. He's completed paramedic school, gotten state certified, uh which is no small feat in and of itself. But more importantly, he's proved that he has adapted to our
culture, which is very high standards and service to our community. And he is able to ingrain himself into fire department life. And it's it's hard to explain for for those who have not served on a fire department, it truly is a second family.
And uh you know, we we will go to bat for him now come hell or high water. And being part of that family is an honor that you earn and he has earned it. So um to you Travis I say welcome. Welcome to the family or to you I say and to the
rest of his natural family I say thank you for your support. We know it's not a journey that we walk alone and if it wasn't for our our loved ones and and family, we would not be able to do what we do. So, a heartfelt thank you for sharing Travis with us. And to you, this
isn't the end of your learning. This is just the beginning. This is a 25-y year career, and you learn until the day you get out. Keep that in mind. All right. >> Yes, sir. >> With that, Lauren, I would ask you to to pin our newest firefighter. All right. Congratulations on our print.
You present you with a helmet shield. This goes on top of his fire helmet in the front. He previously didn't really have a name. Just now firefighter to bear. Please come up and get a picture. our whole family.
Yeah. birthday. >> I meant to say it for approval of minutes. So, my apologies. >> But I'll wait for commissioner comments. >> All right, let's begin. Uh, public
comment. Mark Hoey. >> Uh, good evening again. Mark Hoey, 225 104th Avenue, District 3. Um, it may have slipped from your consciousness, but today was to be election day. Today was going to be the day that District
Three took back representation of their needs and concerns uh from one who has not served us well. Unfortunately, uh, through repetitive legal challenges,
that election has been stayed until an appellet court decides, and that's perfectly Mr. Sison's right. However, uh, a better outcome would have been him to recognize that he is not
fulfilling the standards and the needs of the district and would have resigned. But instead, these repeated challenges to the recall has resulted in volunteer community activist incurring almost
$30,000 in legal fees to defend against his challenges for the recall. Very unfortunate. Hopefully, the right uh decision will be made by the appellet court and we'll move on. Second thing, um code enforcement.
Uh little question on the code enforcement uh process here in the city. I've been here been very supportive particularly after the hurricanes that we had so many unckempt
uh residential lots. Uh supportive that we were going to hire an individual to help us move that along, catch up, stay on top of it. And that's all well and good. even to the point where we the city is willing to charge residential
delinquents $250 a day upwards of that should they not comply. What has not been in my mind been uh administered is that same level of diligence for look and upkeep to
commercial properties. We have several large commercial properties in this town that have fallen into disrepair very significantly and it doesn't appear that there's any action going on or to enforce the standards and I'll I'll make
mention of one and that's the the club where we drive by that everybody coming and going into this community uh will see that it's dilapidated. Uh the concrete fence has been down since the storm. In fact, they even gave away the
unbroken blocks and yet the the trash remains. So, I would just ask that uh the city consider to step up the game and include enforcement activities on commercial properties as well. And I don't think the $250 fine is going to
bite some of these people enough, but let's at least get that started. I mean, we we've gone as far as we we even have a city beautifification zar. Let's put put uh him on this action and see if we can convince these property owners to take care of the property pending future
development. Last uh this last weekend on Saturday, the American Legion sponsored the car show in the park. It was returned to the actual park grounds where it wasn't last year because of the contamination of the ground. Great show,
great turnout. Uh I appreciate their efforts to keep that going. This was the 15th year. A lot of fun and hopefully they can continue making that an annual event. So, thank you. >> Great. >> Thank you, Mark. >> Robert Bazo,
>> Robert Bazo, Wall of Capri. Yeah, cars are great, but pickle ball is a little bit better. Um, I would like to thank the commissioners, the mayor, uh the the city manager for coming. I think it was a big success and showed great uh great teamwork, great partnership, but especially like to thank our public
affairs officer who made me look awful good, which is freaking hard to do. Um packed facility, I'm getting all all sorts of uh of of kudos about what the city could do, and I think we need to bring that forward. And um uh just end on maybe a little bit of of a negative
note, but hopefully not. Um, it's been about four or five months that we've had the community development uh community department uh community development department uh director build a vacant and I I'd like to see that. Um perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think the vacancy announcement is out yet and I think we
need to fill that job. I think it's one of the most important positions. But um is the vacancy announcement out? I know you can't answer me, but is it out yet? No. Okay. Um but I'd like to see that position. I think everybody here agrees it's it's it's one of the most important uh positions here in and we're
approaching uh June which is a great you know four or five months of hurricane season. So let's get that vacy announcement out there and let's fill a position again. Thank you very much for Saturday 120 people showed up I think. Uh great and great work and I gray hair.
You you should have gotten the gray hair out of there. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, Robert Marie Barbara. >> Um, good evening, Commission Board and Mayor. Um, excuse my glasses, but um, I forgot my
reading glasses after the AL um, uh, lenses replacement. It's still here. I have concerns about some of the agenda items from the last city meetings and so I just want to address this with you and the public and some of the comments that have been going back and forth on uh, some of the blogs. I agree with the
commissioners who did question the value of the master plan to the taxpayers addressing only private property. Not that we shouldn't have it. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not up there making these decisions. It remains unclear why the public areas were emitted from the scope. So, I want to thank you that brought this up. If the general
consensus justifies funding the master plan based on the impact on private property, one of the areas that kind of got me is why didn't you include the yach club? Um the second because I know that there's a lot of discussion going back and forth to how we're going to develop this and that's should be front
and center. The second well downtown a lot of stuff. Okay. The second item that drew my attention was the millage rate. Thank you Ardan for bringing the great presentation. You did a lot of work on that. This brings me to and this brought us to the tolls on the bridge. So, I want to uh address some of the
misconceptions on this um because not on your research, but yeah, we're stuck with the bridge, but no, we are not stuck with the bridge without tolls. A few months ago, I noted a city ad that in the St. Pete Times, what is it? Tampa
Bay Times, I still get the the the newspaper delivered. Okay. So, over that the ad was stating that there's over 532,000 that was out budgeted for major repairs this year. And so I think I read this like two months ago or so. So this raises the question, why should local
taxpayers bear the refi financial responsibility for maintaining a bridge used by individuals and St. Pete residents that do not reside in the community? Why should we be paying for it? They should be paying for it just like it used to be. And our millage rate
was the lowest and it was even at for years lower than resident uh Readington Shores, believe it or not. So the city of treasure, you can look that up, is the only city in Florida who owns a basial bridge and is not compensated. There is another one in Manatee, but
they the toll I read was $6. I'm not advocating for that. I'm just telling you what I read. But a little research needs to be done on this. And city managers have always asked for the tolls because there is a a misconception, prevalent misconception about
implementing those tolls. uh two previous city managers that previous city managers stone and silverboard I believe some of you probably remember them ascertain from their research that taxpayers had to pay for that there is no federal contract prohibiting the addition of tolls there
is no contract we have done this we have paid for it and there's no leadership on it that's why we don't have them I don't like tolls I'm just saying for a revenue perspective this is unsustainable even if such a contract did exist young the late um congressman who funded
had indicated that future major repairs would be funded by the state. Okay, that's not happening. In fact, the state is just doing the opposite on everything else. While the inconven is an inconvenience to residents and those from St. Pete, that's acknowledged. It's important to note that the city retains
the authority to sus you can you can have other procedures and other rules written up because you have the authority to spend the tolls during any operations if there's a storm coming in or anything else or anything for an emergency. Additionally, hotel owners have kind of have complained not kind of complained, they've complained that they
didn't want their uh guests paying high dollars over here to stay here and tolls. Okay. Well, the city has an author uh can authorize reimbursement to those hotel owners to do this. You can do something. You have flexibility. So, um re you know tolls were the ma
major were a major revenue source for TI which allowed funding for projected capital projects. We had capital projects in in the works. We had some reserves but not enough but underground but we had enough to go and get the bond and know that we can repay this with the funds that were coming in. So it was
balancing out if you get what I'm what I'm talking about here like underground utilities. We hacked that off. We hacked that those capital uh projects were funded and we had um this budgeted and we we were talking about putting a block wall against Treasure Lane for you and
Paradise Island and and Treasure Lane and the uh Paradise Lane. It was a beautiful thing here that we had all this extra money. We didn't have a lot of complaints like we hear all the time. Every time we come up here that somebody complaining about the tile the cover over the children's thing that we can't fund treat treasure didn't have. I mean
it it's not it's not like some of us that have been here a long time kind of like overwhelming. The third item I have this raises a concern for me restrictions placed on commissioners by the city manager when uh commissioner Son requested additional
data information for the CM. He was denied and where where as TI we are not accustomed to that. So we need to look at that and the charter and come up with some other way of regulating this. Thank you. Thank you, Marie.
Scott McKini is uh Scott, are you do you want to talk about non agenda item or an agenda item? >> Uh basic development. >> Okay, come on up. All right. Um see what I had here.
Um yeah, I just basically wanted to talk a little bit about development. Um, comprehensive plans are great. Uh, but we can't eliminate any of the tools that we want to use to negotiate a good positive outcome on a project. Um, that
benefits all of us, the developers, uh, the sit and citizens alike. Um, PDS have been called bad. Nobody wants them, but some people do want them. Uh, we had some presentations from the people that were trying to solicit our business for
a master plan. They all seem to think PDs were a tool that you need in your belt. Very useful. So, uh, it allows you to negotiate. It just gives you something else you can have as as submissions that that gives you something to work with until you can get
that master plan, uh, and comprehensive plan redone and issued to the public. Um, I'm sure there's other tools people can use, but don't throw away one. You can't and shouldn't throw away one of them just because people think that it's an opportunity for corruption.
our societyy's not all corrupt. So, we got to stop thinking like that and being so suspicious of everybody. Um, we need to be able to negotiate these multi-use facilities. We need retail, we need food, entertainment, hospitalities, and and this type of a tool and the master
plan and and just we should be able to negotiate these. There's a few uh illustrations that have been put out on Facebook that garnish a lot of discussion. The last one that came out had retail on the ground floor and it had parking on the second. I thought to myself, well, I'd put parking on the
first floor, but you know, maybe you you have easily repaired retail space. Maybe there's no drywall down there. It's just it's rough. Like my like my house is like my house is no drywall on the bottom floor. Easily repaired. So, we can rethink and negotiate those things.
Some people say retail on second floor doesn't work. I don't know. I don't know anything about it. Study it. Maybe the the people that do our comprehensive plan can come up with those types of suggestions. Does that fly? Does retail should very TL be on the second floor? Is it okay in the first floor? But you take the risk of a flood. So there's
there's pros and cons with everything. Um also if you have a restaurant space, you know, perhaps they can uh have the kitchen services upstairs and some seating downstairs. If you have elevated pool, maybe you've got some public seating and not just guest seating out
by a pool. um that all those types of services and retail facilities that can be negotiated, they they bring a positive experience for uh residents and visitors alike. Um see what else did I have here?
Uh so, oh, I also saw some stuff mentioned online um that uh when that when that item was posted, um it was like, oh yeah, this is a really nice development, you know, with with retail space and and it's a really
beautiful building. Uh be nice to have here. And then somebody makes a comment. Oh, said no one ever. Eight comments immediately after that. Positive, positive, positive, positive, positive. So the naysayers in the community do not speak for everybody. A lot of it's it's
it's 6040 50/50. It's right down the line. It's one way or the other on each topic. So when they say everybody nobody wants everybody hates this. Nobody that's that's not true. They're not speaking for me and they're not speaking for a lot of people that I want to see. Everybody want I shouldn't say I just
did it myself. A lot of people a lot of people want to see development happen. So it's easily to say that I just did it myself. Right. So, um, one of the other things that I saw and and I didn't quite know was, uh, the 60 foot limit and then I
saw the comment of, uh, 22 units for the density. Well, if you take down a hotel that's bringing I don't know how many units they'd have, 50, 60, 70, 100, I don't know, in in their in their footprint if they had one or two stories and you put in 22 units. Um, sure the
city's getting a little tax revenue from residents, and I don't know how you're taxing the commercial properties, but I'm sure we're getting a good cut from that, too. But the people that that's bringing in, that's substantial. So, if we limit ourselves to this five over one with 22 units, that's going to be the
death of our island because you are going to get, yeah, you're going to get some money, but who enjoys that? The millionaire sitting on their condo watching sunset every night, and that beach is going to die. You lose the beach vibe. So, I just I just and and also the comments were also made in the
past about well these developers come in, you know, and they're going to build a hotel, they take all the money and they leave and they don't care. What do you think happens with a 50 over1 condo? It's even faster. In, done, out, sold, they're gone. Off to the Caribbean who
live on their boat. Um, all right. You got me. Anyway, I just wanted to say in conjunction with PDS uh and comprehensive plans, it allows compromise and it allows us to negotiate a good deal and good development. So,
Bill, Scott, >> Bill TI, >> Rick Matthew, >> Rick Matthew 2254. I will not take that long. I've heard a lot of discussion about the uh code enforcement. I have not heard anything about docks. There are a lot of docks that are right. We're
coming into hurricane season. The problem with that is once it detaches from the property, it becomes the next person's problem. And if you live on one of the culde-sac little finger inlets, you're going to have all that trash down at the end of your dock. If you drive around the fingers, there are docks
ready to go in the water. And now's the time after the storm, it's too late. And I for one, I mean, we're talking 12ft stringers of two by 2 by 12s that are ready to go into the water.
If everybody has a boat, we don't want them in the water. Now's the time. Thanks. Thank you, Rick. All right, that uh is the end of public comments and we're going to move on approval of minutes. Approval of the following
minutes. March 3rd, 2026 regular meeting and March 10th uh 2026 special meeting. >> I move to approve the minutes as presented. >> Second.
>> We have a motion and a second. Do we have any comments up here? >> I do want to say that I misspoke. I should have said the approval of the minutes during F and not during uh C. So, my apologies. All right. Roll call, please.
>> Commissioner Clark, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Bazquez, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> I. >> Commissioner Dicki, >> hi. >> Mayor Doctor, >> I. >> Thank you. >> Now, moving on to consent agenda. Do we have a motion? >> I move to approve the consent agenda as
presented. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> All in favor say I. I. All right, moving on to items of business. H1, Ordinance 202611, budget
amendment, commercial redevelopment master plan. >> An ordinance of the city of Treasure Island, Florida, amending the fiscal year 2026 general fund budget to recognize additional expenses of $198,000 for expense of completing a commercial
redevelopment master plan providing for severability, conflict, and an effective date. Do we have a motion? >> I move to approve ordinance 2026-11. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any
discussion up here? >> I was just wondering what the timeline is for reimbursement of the $200,000 allocated for this master planning effort >> for private property. Charles So,
Panelis County has money that they've designated for planning. They have not written the application for municipalities within Penllis County to apply for planning
grants. So, when they write that application, uh, we will apply. um we stay in close contact with them, but I don't have a even a firm date. I'm I've been told this summer.
So, that's what I know about that. >> Okay. All right. Uh I have a couple here. Uh, Marie Barbara, >> um,
>> I brought up the fact of um of um not maybe you can add a conditional statement in there to add um some of the public areas because it's my taxpayers that's going out to pay for this and um I know in the rules before that we have
agenda items that we can have discourse. You can is this is has this changed or can you um discuss this or do you have to wait till we're done with the with the comments here with the with the person that's sit standing here like myself? >> Yeah. No, we we are not having a
discussion. >> Well, we we but you if I have a question, you can't answer it. >> No. >> During the this when is it that you answer to the public? I think we used to do this in the past. >> Uh no, we haven't. But customer or actually when it's the commissioner comments would be the the portion that
would uh answer the questions. >> Okay. So if you can answer if you can at least address it during your comments of adding that conditional to at least add one of the public areas or if you're going to just do public what the city I know the yach club is a real contention
contentious item um parcel with a lot of people. Um I think on the master plan also um the other question that I had about it was the PDS. I think you are moving forward that because I watched the LPA. There is a PD out there and I
can send it to you if you want that was used in the past for just the the Pirate Square. Pirate Square did have a PD and that was done after the master plan that we did in that area. So there is a PD out there. Um, as a word of caution, the
PD did include an increase from 22 units. There's only 22 units in the activity center, and that's the private square. That's what Forward Penelis um equates with um the activity center um in Forward Penellis in the Panelis
County. That's what they call it. And they also call the Kingfish area um activity center. I don't know if that's been reszoned, but the PD was um brought forward with an increase from 22 units to 66. that one to referendum like there's you're supposed to do actually when there's an increase in density. I
know that the city doesn't have that um doesn't have that um standing doesn't approve of that and and their standing is no that you you cannot you cannot go to referendum but of course the courts are going to decide that whether that is true or not. So and and and one you're
going to face this anyway. We're going to have to come across this and let the courts decide whether that is true or not. But at this point, um, at 22 units, that's the only parcel that I know that has 22 units per acre. They had nothing before. They had only commercial
general. The city, the the the elector gave them the 22 units. So, there is room for getting the consensus of the voters to come across and and approve some of these slight uh slight increases. They did not approve to 66.
the approved 22 only with the commercial general. Thank you. >> Thank you, Marie. Mark Hoey. >> Mark Hoey, 225 104th Avenue, District 3. Um, I think you would recognize I've been a
supporter of the master plan concept if it's applied properly. And again, it's a big uh big commitment on behalf of the city from a financial as well as a uh personnel involvement. A lot of people are going to have to be involved to make
this thing work. What I want to uh suggest if you haven't is to go back and watch the LPA meeting from last Thursday. Please look at that because what's happening is that esteemed group is
undermining the master plan before it has even been created. Much le hell it hadn't even been funded. But repeated comments from different members of that body u for the lack of a better term poo
pooed the idea of the master plan. It's going to take too long. It's not going to work. It's going to be a coffee table book. I mean all the the things being said during that meeting by people who the commission appointed there to not
only not to be rubber stamps for what you are doing but to advise look at the details come back with recommendations all that well that's not what's happening they're building this PD ordinance which you'll see next
meeting uh to circumvent the master plan guaranteed look at no safeguards, brought back RFM30, uh they're absolutely intending to beat the commission to the punch and say, "Well, we got PDs. We don't need to
follow the master plan." So, take a look at that. I mean, that's about is it about an hour and a half worth of time at the LPA and you'll see what's happening and hopefully you might consider uh having a meeting of the minds to get on the same page. Thank
you. Thank you, Mark. >> That uh is the end of our public comment there. Do we have any discussion up here? >> Yes, I'd like to address Marie Barber's comments. >> Okay, you're good. >> Um Vice Mayor Vasquez mentioned adding city- owned land to it at the last
commission meeting. It got shut down by the commission. Uh Commissioner Clark was absent. We didn't get his comments, but uh it was shut down by the commission at the last meeting. I'd also like to address uh Maurice Barb's comment about the yacht club that
is covered under the the the master plan as as it was scoped out originally. So, we do have that particular piece covered. >> And I kind of want to um chime in on um to tag on to Commissioner Saison um just
kind of as I guess this probably is an attorney question. Um, if we want to add, I'm not saying there is. If we want to add um, and you may have answered this, but I I don't think we ever actually did because I think it
got shut down beforehand. If we wanted to add public properties to it, what would be the Would we have to start all over again or can it be a something that we add to current or what does that look like if we wanted to add that?
I don't think you'd have to start all over again, but you could add it to the list of properties that they would look at probably involved with like a change order. >> An additional cost >> additional cost, right? >> Okay. And that >> additional focus when you had your public sheretses, people would be
talking about other places. And is that something that can be done like does it need to be done now before we approve this or is that something we could do kind of it moving forward if we wanted to make an as an addition? Um >> you could do it moving forward.
>> Okay. >> As an addition >> I think once we get our updates from uh our city manager regarding the the status of every project on this. >> You mean the funding? Uh, no. When uh
when the city manager gets updates from the company uh we selected, uh maybe he could bring that up and see if >> that's worth looking into. >> Yes. >> So, if the commission approves this item
tonight, I have a kickoff meeting with Ralph Tillis, your selection, uh at 10:00 tomorrow. And um if the consensus among the commission is you would like to add something or do a
change order, you could tell me now. If three or more of you already know that, you could tell me that next meeting and we could explore what that would look like. I mean, I definitely I think we should at the very least explore what that looks like because I mean, again,
showing the investment in the city by the city to do improvements um is I feel like only going to encourage property owners and developers to start moving forward because if the city looks better, everything looks better. So, um,
like I said, it's I think we should, at the very least, my opinion is that we should at least look see what that looks like. That's my opinion, which hasn't changed. It's been that from the beginning. >> Um, I I think I said all along that I
think we need to get started with this. Um, and then we could add that on later. Um, I don't think we should slow down what we got started here. Um, and I think the majority of the people when you hear them talk, I think a gentleman stood up earlier and talked about PDS
and how we need development here, most people are talking about the, you know, hotels, restaurants, all that stuff. So, not saying that, you know, the public areas aren't good, too. But I think we need to to we started this, let's finish it, then we can add that on if we want
to. I can tell you I get more emails about Treasure Bay and the entrance to Treasure Island than probably I'm not going to say than anything else, but pretty darn close. Um, wanting to know what we're doing with that, what
the plan is. Um, so I I would say a large percentage of the public definitely wants to know where that's going. Also, um, definitely not trying to say slow anything down because we all know I don't want to slow anything down. So, it's more of a if it's something
that could be at least talked about um with them and if they say, "Hey, let's get this started and then we can do that or whatever." I mean, I would say I would want to lean on the professionals. They're they're going to tell the city manager whether it's going to slow down the plan or not if we add public uh
properties. That's >> Yeah, I'm uh I'm in agreement with Commissioner Clark. Uh I think that uh you know, we've been moving forward on this. I think we need to get it out there and people working on it get it done. No delays. Um and we can always
discuss adding additional uh after we get moving on this ordinance. >> And I I also agree with Commissioner Clark and Mayor Doctor on the approach here. >> Okay. >> All right. So, any additional
uh anyone have uh No, we've done that already. the >> public works. I'm sorry. The uh Okay, let's code call roll. >> Commissioner Clark, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Vasquez, >> I. >> Commissioner Sison, >> no. >> Commissioner Dicki,
>> yes. >> Mayor Doctor, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> All right. Item of business H2, reorganization of public works. So, mayor, commissioners, um just briefly, I've been able to talk to I
think each one of you about this a little bit. Um our public works department pre-torrm was organized and the job descriptions were written to maintain and operate several city-owned
properties and facilities. um as we move into uh some major capital rebuilds of some we've already started on in in Treasure Bay, Sunset Beach
Pavilion. Um we've got three major projects on 108th Avenue. um between the public works building, the master lift station, public safety facility, all those things actually require
um builders and licenses and people that think like builders, not people that think about touchup, painting, uh redoing the rotten board kind of thing. So, I've spent uh a great deal of time going through with Mr. Dr. Gary Volneck, our current
director of public works and our HR director to bring forward the right job descriptions for Treasure Island in a rebuild mode. Um, the reason it's coming before you tonight is we're proposing to
change the actual titles of the positions. If we were just going to tweak the job responsibilities within the current position title, that would could be done administratively. Um, but I would ask uh for your support
on this. It should be a costneutral to cost savings proposition. if we take the former assistant public works director um position that's now been left open since December
um and fill it with a uh civil engineer type person with a professional license. They can do site plan reviews and do some of the things that our building department has to currently outsource. And we pay a lot for the outsourcing.
You approved two contract extensions for our bu building department on the consent agenda. And um we we can pay a real employee much less than the hourly rate we pay Safe Built to do some or Kimley Horn or any of these other
companies. So we would um I I think this is a a very good uh proposition for the city and will help us rebuild. It does not add any headcount. >> All right. Any comments up here? Motion, please.
>> I just I have one question real quick. So, in the the reorganization, um I noticed on the chart it actually says assistant city manager. And I know we don't ma'am currently have that in our
>> verbiage anywhere. >> City manager. Um, Treasure Island typically has two and the only thing that the assistant city manager does currently is if I used uh a vacation or
was out sick or whatever for an extended period of time, that person would step into that role. Um, and I'm I've already designated Mr. Volne and Mr. Ortiz as the two assistant city managers. Um but what what that doesn't mean um is that
director's report directly to Gary except for in the public works arena. >> Okay. I just wanted a little bit of clarity on that just because it wasn't there. Um so I was just curious on that. Thank you.
>> All right. >> Anything else? >> Just to be clear, you said that you were not included. There's no new positions being recommended here. >> No new headcount. All five titles are changing, so they're different positions. And we'll delete the previous positions. >> And from my previous conversations with
you, I understand there's no immediate pay increases that go along with these job title changes. >> Um, >> no immediate uh >> so increases >> with the Mr. Volne, who we're calling the assistant city manager, operations
manager, he would get a 5% increase. and one of our current public works supervisors which with your approval will be re renamed a public works manager grounds and beach has been with us for a couple of decades and has
topped out at his current pay grade. So this would give him ability to earn those merit bonuses that you can get after your evaluation. Um but other than the 5% for Mr. Volne
neck. We there's no immediate uh financial impact on this and I and I do believe if we get two licensed civil engineers on staff, one one additional um we'll actually experience some cost savings.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Once this is approved, I was wondering if you could email us a organizational chart because I've asked for that in past. I haven't received it. >> The or Yes. >> Thank you. I I
>> All right. Motion now, please. >> I move to approve the reorganization of public works as presented. >> Second. >> We have a motion, a second. Any discussion up here? And we do have uh Mark Hoey.
>> Okay. Thank you. So, we'll close the public comment. Um, all in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> All right. Moving on. H3. Authorize the termination of design
built contract with core construction services of Florida LLC and award the design build contract for public safety facility to Builtmore Construction Company. have a motion, please. >> Um, before the motion, there's one thing
that's missing in the packet. It's a standard uh contract addendum that has all the Florida statutory stuff in there. Just wanted to make sure that uh your motion includes the standard contract addendum. >> Okay. >> So, how would I need to do that?
>> To approve the item including a standard contract addendum. Got Got it. All right. All right. I motion to authorize the termination of the design and build contract with core
construction services of Florida LLC and award design build contract for the public safety building including standard con the standard contract agreement um to for the public safety facility to Builtmore Construction Company. Was that
right? >> Does that sound right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Just want to make sure. >> Great. Thank you. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion up here? >> Mark Hoey
public. I >> promise you it's my last >> my last. But uh again, this my comments will be a bit redundant to the group here. I'm really making the comments for the benefit of the folks at home who did not watch the workshop and did not hear
much of that discussion about what's taking place. So bear with me. I mean the the whole thing about the change of contractors resulted from core contracting coming in at a significant
increase to what we even thought was going to be the pricing. It wasn't 10% more, 20% more. It's much larger. So, we went from a project that we were trying to manage to be within 8 million to their total project costs estimating be
14 12 to 15. So, again, as I speculated, maybe they really didn't want the job. And I was being flippant. I have no reason to believe that. or we're going to find out the true cost of the project as scoped today is significantly more
than what we you we the community was willing to uh accept when we approved this some time ago. So the questions I think that had to be asked and were partially answered is what is the not to
exceed number now? If built more construction is coming to the table, what's that going to be? And according to Gary and he he explained it that the uh GMP the guaranteed maximum price won't be
determined for another 90 days. But I hope we can have the restraint and control not to let that creep outside of the agreed upon limit unless there is something that is highly irregular or
comes to the attention and the commission approves to to approve something of that nature because we we would get be back to the point where there are other options that should be explored and I think several speakers
mentioned that that we shouldn't just automatically go and okay we got another contractor oh they're 13 million well I guess that's what it is let's just move on because we have got to get this going it is not that kind of a crazy rush you
know we're 18 months in but we have hundreds of people's homes that have yet to be rebuilt let's rush to get them going let's give them the same sense of urgency that we're giving to this public safety
building project. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. >> All right. We'll close public comment and roll call, please. >> Commissioner Clark, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Vazquez. >> I. Commissioner Sison. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> Hi.
>> Mayor Doctor. >> Hi. >> Thank you. >> H4. Treasure Bay Living Shoreline. Commissioner Sesan, >> thank you. Uh, so we um received the living shore uh shoreline timeline on the backup
information. I appreciate the effort from the city staff in compiling this information. Uh, what really comes down to is for me is two straightforward questions. How far behind are we from the original schedule? Would you know that information?
ask both your questions and I may be phoning a friend here shortly. >> And how far over are we from the original budget? If we had these two numbers, then this could have been a much more focused discussion. >> Mr. Bulmeck, Mr. Ortiz, would y'all care
to comment? I I can tell you in general before I throw these gentlemen in the frying pan that this project was not orchestrated, recommended or overseen till very
recently among any of the city staff that's currently here. Um looks like it was started um well before several of you even joined the commission. Um, so I what I did ask our clerk to do and she
did a wonderful job is a general summary of the timeline. We have contracts to back all these up um that that were acted on by the commission. Um those two questions may be ones that um
I need to communicate to you uh if we don't have perfectly accurate numbers for each one. Well, I had I was going to bring these questions to your uh uh to our meeting on Monday at 4:00, but you canled the meeting last minute. So, c
>> can I make can I make a stab at trying to answer them? Sure. >> As and I base this on Kathy Huk's presentation that she gave us uh at a previous meeting and also in this document. Uh it appears that the only thing that was over uh the original
budget was uh the repair $124,000 to the seaw wall, but that was covered within the contingency plan uh money which was $276,000. So uh including the contingency plan, the living shoreline was under budget
$152,784. Uh, as far as the timeline, as best I can tell, the living shoreline is complete. Uh, I the only thing that I think remains to be seen and and and uh Kathy, if you're here, you can uh
correct me if I'm wrong is that the about seating the interior uh acreage of the property. That is the only thing that remains to be done on that project. I' I've walked the property uh quite often. U and I know irrigation is still being worked on by city uh staff. Um
seeding is definitely an issue. Um you know, a lot of the sea oats that were planted are dying, especially the ones planted in the ponds um because of the drought, but uh it's still, you know, city staff is still working on irrigation. So,
>> yeah, I was out there Sunday as well and I walked it as well. Uh, and you're you're right there still they are still working on the irrigation. I don't know if that was part of the original project or just part part of the cleanup. >> And uh Gary or Victor or Kathy if you
have anything to add to what I just said Phil please please do so. I'm sorry I'm not prepared to answer that directly. as far as the you know the project started I believe um the right after the storms um it was a
cobbling of many different grants trying to achieve a lot of different things um Victor had put together a nice spreadsheet we couldn't seem to pull it up on our phones I won't open the the attachment but he but the it it it appears that the the total price was at
a around 27 $2.7 million of roughly half of that was grant monies and that was for for the shoreline, for the kayaks, for the signage, for different the walks and things. So, it was uh there were a lot of different elements that that uh
that project uh consisted of and and the grants, like I said, came from different directions and um uh staff at the time tried to assemble them as as efficiently as they could. Um the project has taken longer than we expected. Um there was some issue with
the seaw wall movement where they had to go back and repermit some of the uh uh rip wrap along the shoreline there. Um the right now it's it's complete except for we're punch list. There's some items that we're not quite satisfied with. Um
but uh I don't know if that answered your your question uh sufficiently enough. Again, the the numbers are in a a beautiful spreadsheet you put together and I can't seem to open it up on my phone. Apologize. >> Yeah, I I would after walking it on
Sunday, I I think we're very close to hopefully opening it up to the public at the the uh the walking trail is complete and seems uh completely safe uh to be able to walk. So, I'm hoping that uh we do open open that up. I know the tennis
courts are open, the basketball courts were open. There were people playing basketball there. The pickle ball courts, of course, nobody wants to play pickle ball there, and they they'd rather go play on the new courts. But, uh, anyway, I think it's open uh for for the public enjoyment. Of course, the
playground's always been open. Uh, but I do think it's time that we uh see how quickly we can get it opened back up to the public. I'll finish the rest of my comments after public comments and >> and I kind of to go along with what you had said, Ardan, I um I was curious as
to when the because I was out there a while ago and the kayak launches looked like they were ready to go. So, I was kind of curious as to what that timeline was looking like also. >> That was it. >> Okay, let's uh move to public comment. Uh Marie Barbara,
>> forgot one on this, but yeah, I was also interested. But I have a um townhouse and that faces that as well. And um well shared and um they did the seating, they did the irrigation. >> There's hardly any other construction or
um that I see going on. Um so it would and a lot of us are questioning why they you just don't open it up for everybody to walk down. You know, it's just it's ready and there's no obstacles there. And then uh the other thing is I did
send a letter to your public works the PE that used to I think he used to work here. I don't even know if he does it professional engineer because the the they I I asked about a load limit on the um the bridge there, the fishing pier, whatever you want to call that there. I
thought it was for the manatee watching manatees or something. But um but anyway, that we need to have a load capacity I think on that. And so I asked him about that because of the way that it hangs over the the seaw wall there and I don't think it's candle levered um
correctly even though you know my my structural was a little limited. I was mostly on the um electrical side and computer science, right? So, but it seems like there there is a might be an issue there and so I sent an email there for the public works PE to look at that
and uh if not I think there needs to be a load capacity when you have a lot of events you're going to have a lot of people on that uh section there on that dock whatever you want to u call that. So, thank you. >> All right. Thank you, Marie West. West Evans, Isisle of Palms. Um, I kind
of have mixed feelings about the living seaw wall. Um, I've told some of you guys before, you know, Sarah and I, we're big snorkelers. We go out and snorkel. We even have secret spots around Penllis County. A lot of people don't know that you can snorkel places in Penllis, but there's a
few secret spots we have. And so, even though I was kind of against the living seaw wall, uh, I did think, oh well, once once some, you know, rip wrap's put in there and they'll start being some sea life growing on it, it'll be something we can jump in over there and
snorkel and see what's going on. Um, we took the boat by there Sunday and that rip wrap's been in there quite a while now and there's not really any sea life growing on it. And I fear that some of you may not know this. When you go
snorkeling places by jetties or where other riff wrap has been put in, there's certain cement that's used that will have no sea life growing on it at all. Right next to it, a giant chunk of another cement concrete that's covered
in sponges and oysters and muscles and everything. And I really fear that the seaw wall of it, the rip wrap uh is not going to have any sea life on it, but I'm crossing my fingers that
it'll come. Um, but really what I wanted to question is, um, in South Pasadena there's a living seaw wall and uh, from the water, you know, it's just mangroves. If you boat by it, you can see the mangroves and everything growing
and some birds along it uh, feeding and everything. Uh, but from the inside, you're just looking at basically hedges. So the people I'm sure the people who live across from South Pasadavina probably
weren't too happy once a hedge a wall of mangroves are grown even though we all love mangroves. Uh they provide you know it's a beneficial ecosystem. Um uh but from the inside you're just looking at a wall of hedges. So what is
the ultimate plan with a living seaw wall? Is are we going to let that grow over with mangroves? Is that the plan for it to be a mangrove living seaw wall? Um, and then what happens to the view, the whole walkway? You're looking
at the back of I call it hedges, but you know, the back of the mangroves, but you can't actually see the water through that. Is that the plan? I know you guys aren't going to answer right now, but uh just putting that out there. What's the ultimate goal with this? Uh, do we want
a view of the water from that area or do you want to see the back of branches? >> Thank you, West. We'll now close public comment. Uh, we do not have any motions. Uh, so I'd like >> No motions, but I would like to ask the
commission if you know I know uh city staff and Charles went to visit Popstroke. Uh, and in my email correspondence with Charles, he mentioned that uh, some design uh, something was someone's working on something and I hope to have that's my
number one email is Treasure Bay and what we're going to do with it. So, uh, I know it's not in the budget, but it it should be discussed. So, I hope uh, we could start some kind of discussion. >> Okay. >> As I want to really represent my constituents.
>> Mark. Hi. And I would agree with that just like I stated before when we were talking about the um the master plan. One of the biggest reasons I was hoping to add public property is because that is probably the largest amount of emails I
get is Treasure Bay. So I agree that we we have to start and I know there's things happening there. Um but >> would like >> I think we got to start making the tough decisions. I'm fine with with putting Treasure Bay on as a separate workshop
or discussion item. I think all all parties want to see us make a decision on that. And I think the living shoreline piece of it is is further far enough along now that we can have a workshop and have have that. So I I would suggest and recommend that we do
schedule a future workshop. >> I agree. Okay. So, city manager, would you please uh put that in for uh one of our workshops? >> So, yes, sir. Um how does June 2nd strike you? I I'll just briefly, since
y'all mentioned workshops, our next two meetings coming up are May 5th and May 19th. On May 5th, Mr. Ortiz plans to present to you in the public the second quarter financials. And on May 19th, I've tasked Mr. Volne
with presenting to you our overall capital city project building plans and if you uh commissioners would be thinking about things that you want to see done. So when um Mr. Von presents that on May 19th. If there are other
priority items um that are not on your list of things we're already working on that this present five commissioners have already approved and given us taskers on that we can use those over the summer as uh we move into our budget
approval times. >> All right. I'm fine with second. I'm going >> what >> I'm fine with June 2nd. That's >> I just had one comment on the living shoreline. I I don't think I've ever hid my disdain for the living shoreline. Um I think we could have built a a regular
seaw wall for the same price. And I think the sad part of it now, you mentioned before the way our town looks when you drive in. You drive over the bridge now if the tide's low. It just looks terrible. And if you go by on your boat, it looks terrible. And it's just
it's just it's just unfortunate. I'm I'm surprised uh that you say that because I do look every time I come over that bridge, I look over there and I look at the living shoreline and I like I like how the living shoreline I'm not talking about the golf course. Golf course looks like hell, but the uh
living shoreline uh I I think it looks so much better than the seaw wall. >> I agree with you. Yeah, it's it's nice to see. Um I'll tell you what uh one of the things is that um you know we talk about the seaw wall and about you know
is is the right growth uh coming up and you know cuz there's there's coral over there there's uh seaggrasses there's all sorts of things. Um, but I'll tell you what, I had an opportunity when I was walking the other day to see uh three
dolphin chase the fish right into that little bay there by the uh was it the towers of Yeah. And I'll tell you what, and they corner them and watch them eat and they just went in. It was amazing to
see. I think that everybody would like to see it. And uh because they they really the three dolphin went and really escorted them right to their uh final uh >> resting place. >> Yeah, that's probably Yeah, they were
eating. Yeah. So um but then there is a lot of small fish over there by the kayak launch if you go out there. I mean they they range from >> oh 3 in to you know maybe five inches. And um so it's growing. It's working. I I hope hopefully we'll see more and more
of that as we we go through. So, all right. So, we're going to close out H4 and H5 summer program financial report. Commissioner Sison is on. >> Go ahead, Victor. >> Thank you, Mayor Commissioners. So, this
is a very short presentation for the summer camp. And so basically these are the 2025 actual numbers. Um so basically we we did spend
$184,000. We we got back 131,000 in revenue. So the city covered 53,000. um that that was 71% uh revenue sufficiency
uh for the estimate of 2026 because uh the the rate increases for the summer camp. We're expecting to spend 189,000 uh but I'm estimating the revenues for 160,000
and so I'm expecting to cover 85% of the of the cost. And these these are all estimates. I've been wrong before. Um um all I can say so far this year we we had
uh $100,000 in revenue so far. So I I I believe he's in a good uh trend. Uh for sure I don't I should not say for sure, but I do believe that we're going to pass the 131,000 that we we got last
year. But um that that's the most I can predict for for these funds. I'm here to answer any questions you may have. >> It's getting better. >> All right. We uh we have one person that would like to speak on this. Uh H5 Sarah
Pennington. >> Hi, good evening. Yes, Sarah Pennington. District 2. I feel like I'm having deja vu because we had I actually got up and had these exact same comments last year and I'm disappointed to see that we're pretty much in the same position. I know
there's a slight improvement, but the biggest thing if you look at this chart is we're talking about spending per week on personnel only $17,266 a week on personnel for a summer camp. I
cannot comprehend how that is realistic in any way. Um, last year I did bring this up and I was told, well, we have personnel that are working at standing ovations that is somehow mixed into the summer camp personnel numbers. Um, is
that still the case now? >> May I answer? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. All right. So, this is for 18 uh summer camp coaches. >> Yes. Uh so we we we have six groups and each group has three coaches. >> Okay.
>> So this is specifically for summer camp. >> Got it. So it does not include standing ovations personnel. >> No it should not. >> So it's just $17,266 a week just for personnel for summer camp. To me that seems very expensive
especially as I understand there are some teenagers that do some uh volunteer work at the summer camp as well. And I think we need to find a way to get that cost down. Um the issue is that we as the taxpayers
were paying $28,000 $972 is projected the taxpayers for 68% nonresidents of Treasure Island to come to our summer camp. And I know $28,000 is not like that's a ton of money, but
this is where everything derails is because we're constantly like a little bit of money here, a little bit of money there, and it all starts to add up over time. And we really have to get our spending under control, even $28,000. Maybe I would feel differently if it was
all Treasure Island children, but it's not even people that live here, and we're spending money for them to come to summer camp. And I think we need to we did a good job on getting it better, but we really need to get this revenue neutral or even we should be making money on this camp. Thank you.
>> Great. Thank you, Sarah. All right, we'll close public comment. Does anyone have any additional thoughts? I would just like to um whether it makes a difference in a thought process or not, that's probably depends on the person, but
a lot of the children I I don't have an exact number, but I do know from conversations with Kathy and such, a lot of the children are also employee children. So, it's not just random kids from out of town. A lot of them are employee children that come to our
summer camp as well. Again, that may change thought process or may not, but I just wanted to make sure and and express that that we do we do get a lot of our employees children as well for the summer camps. So, I just wanted to make that statement.
>> Is it possible to do a line item for uh employee children? So, we kind of track that and see what it what it is. >> I don't think I understand the the request. like is there a way to track how much how many uh children are from the
employees that work here like on as I add it as a line item so we could figure out in the future >> see how many >> I I would discuss with my manager to see what >> I think that would be easy enough to do
I I I would like to ask the question or you know and you don't have to answer tonight Um, but is the goal to be revenue neutral on this? Is the goal to make >> The goal is always to be revenue neutral. >> Well, it is and it isn't. And I say that
in terms of we have parks and we have pickle ball courts and we we don't have a way to verify that whoever goes and plays on those brand newly refurbished pickle ball courts are Treasure Island residents anyway. So, just be thinking about that as we move into the budget, please.
So I think my comment on this is I I agree with Sarah and I agree with you just said that it should be revenue neutral, but I think that's hard to do in one year with how much money we were losing on it before, right? I mean, we lost so much. So I think and Ardan knows the numbers. I think what was it? 31% and 41% or something. We raised
>> 30 32% for non-residents and 42% price increase for uh residents. Uh and now we're still under slightly under the our the local community. So, I mean, you can't bite it all off, I don't think, in one year. Now, I think we need to look at this after this year, see how many people really came.
>> Absolutely. >> And then we'll adjust it to be revenue neutral next year. >> And I think that's a must. >> Yeah, >> I agree with you for sure, but I don't honestly remember any past commission bringing this up. We're always not in our head and spending money and yes,
just spend it, spend it, spend it. >> I want to track what's spent and where we could save. So, >> I think that's a good idea to revisit this at the end of summer. >> Sure. >> And and >> when it's over, look at the real numbers. >> That's what I mean. Yeah. Not wait till this time next year. Let's look at the
real numbers after summer camp's over and then we can kind of make decisions from there. >> And it's still possible that because of our increase, nobody else signs up and right or >> a bunch more people sign up and it becomes revenue. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The revenue that you're showing in
there's only a 23% increase over prior year. uh and if we've increased the rates by 32% and 42% you would think that that number would be higher just given the same number of of residents. But anyway, let's take a look at that again. I think I
>> I do have a comment on that if I may. >> Sure. >> So, we did increase the yearly uh by $300 for both residentials and non-residential, but we did not increase the the weekly. >> So, that's why the the percentage is it doesn't materialize just exactly like
like that. All right, thanks for that. Yeah, >> that's all I have to say. >> All right, so now let's uh let's move on to the city manager and city attorney reports. Um just a couple areas of recognition
where uh Treasure Island is uh standing out um to bring to your attention. Um we've been nominated uh for the USA Today uh 10 best uh beaches in Florida. Uh you can go online and vote for that.
Um seems a little self- serving, but you can do that. Um, the Tampa Bay Regional Council Future of Region Awards um is recognizing us for actually the the Treasure Bay Living Shoreline and our uh
Anchors Away City Conversations. Um the city will be honored uh on both for both projects um at a lunchon in the middle of May. Next slide, please. Um, that's how you go vote if one of y'all wants to scan your QR code and
know how to do all that. Um, we did have a great pickle ball ribbon cutting last Saturday that could have came off of there. Next slide, please, Victor. Um, we are in extreme extreme drought
conditions. So, Treasure Island, it like the rest of the county and most of Florida is under a burn ban right now. So, even when you're hooking up your trailer to your truck to run somewhere, those little sparks coming off the ground,
um if you're grilling uh hamburgers, you know, please just be conscious of that. Um we have a great fire department, but we we don't want them out there putting out brush fires unnecessarily that we could have been prevented. I think
that's all I have for you in general tonight. Thank you very much, city attorney. >> Nothing this evening. >> Great, Vice Mayor. >> Well, kind of to tag off you talking about the fire department. Um, I want to
thank the police and fire. Um, you guys always do a great job, but we had an extraordinarily busy weekend um, in Treasure Island. It was fun and awesome. Um, but they went over and above. There was a little bit of a scary situation
down on Sunset of a missing woman and it was getting dark and they resolved a lot of people thought she was in the water and they had everybody there were people in the water. There were people everywhere. Long story short, she took an Uber home and didn't tell her friends, but they got to the end of it
very quick. Um, and you guys did an amazing job. So, as always, I just want to thank you for that because I was there when it was happening and it was a little scary because everybody was looking for this girl. So, thank you guys for always being on point. Um, it's
all been said as far as uh the pickle ball courts look absolutely amazing. Um, it was such a good turnout uh for the ribbon cutting and I know our city manager has said it many times, you know, we can ribbon cut our way to
success. And it's true because with every ribbon cutting, it just our community is getting back to where it needs to be. you know, uh it it just it feels good. It feels good to see the community from all neighborhoods show up and really, you know, support each other
and support these causes. And that definitely was a citizen and city cooperation that got that done. So, uh thank you for everybody who came out to that. Um the car show obviously was
amazing. Um the summer series concert down in in Catty's was awesome. Again, it's just great to see our city starting to do the things that we do best, and that is community events and getting people out in our beaches and in our
restaurants and more. Um, this weekend on Saturday, um, we have Sportsfest. I'm not sure what time that starts. I tried to find it and I couldn't find it. Uh, what time? >> 9. >> 9. Okay. So, 9:00 a.m. You'll see a bunch of stuff if you haven't already
set up on the beach. They're already setting it up. Um it is open to the public to go watch. It's pretty cool if you haven't done it, but Sportsfest um that starts this Saturday um at nine o'clock. Um and then also for for my
neighborhood is Capri um at 5:30 Saturday, we have our um turning into our annual wine tasting event with Sympatico uh wines. Um that's in Roselli Park. So, anybody who is interested in that, and the only other thing that I
wanted to make sure and announce, um, for all the voters out there, I know there's a lot of you like us, um, Treasure Island is, um, I know Kathy is is working with several people and we're really going to be doing some fun things
to celebrate the 250 years of freedom. And I'm excited about this one because it's right down my alley. Uh May 23rd, uh the Saturday of Memorial Day weekend, we are going to have a boat parade and it is deck your boats out as much as you
can. There's going to be prizes given um for the most patriotic boats um etc. Um that is going to start the lineup's going to start behind Publix. um kind of the old Christmas boat parade route sort of um is what it's going to follow. But
um everybody's going to start lining up at 9:00 am on the 23rd. I know that's a little bit a ways away. But if you're like me, you really like to decorate your boat, so you need to start ordering your stuff. So again, that's May 23rd. I know that's going to be um out and
about. I know we're going to have flyers soon on that and some things are going to be posted, but mark your calendars now for that because that'll that'll be an awesome boat parade. And that's all I have. >> Commissioner Clark. >> Um, yes. Uh, I also I don't want to beat
it to death, but I wanted to comment on the pickle ball thing. Um, I've played a lot of courts around town. That's probably some of the nicest I've seen. I called them a Cadillac the other day when I was there. Just want to thank Kathy and her team and also the you know
the residents that u helped uh with that and uh the turnout was amazing. I couldn't believe when I walked up how many people were there and um you know I play a lot of different places. I played out in Vina Delmare too and they're all asking me about our courts and some say
they're going to start coming up and and so it it was it was a good thing to see. Um, second, I think it was two Fridays or two or three Fridays ago, we had a another district 2 is of palms meeting at the community center. It was it was
great. We had about 55 people. Um, and we sat and talked about um, you know, city issues and and got feedback from the community at the end. We're going to have another one on Friday, May 1st. So, if you haven't come to one, I encourage you to come to one. Um, the last thing I
had was around, we talked a lot tonight about the, you know, the public safety building and, you know, hopefully that can come in on budget and that's a great thing for our town. But the problem that I keep hearing from my residents and and maybe we're just not getting updates on
it, but I don't understand why we're also not up here talking about how far along we are with um you know, hiring contractors and things for the lift station and for the seaw walls. I mean, we're almost two years post storm. This is this is this
is critical infrastructure. And I mean, if we don't have a we don't have a lift station that works, we can't basically live here. So maybe, and I've talked to Charlie about this in our last couple meetings, but maybe we're much farther along with those things than I I'm aware of, but we're not hearing about it like
the other things. And and I believe, I may be wrong, but we had an off-site meeting at one point where we all put down our top five, you know, things. And I'm almost positive that every single one of us had, you know, lift station on there. So, I guess I'm asking Charlie if
I think not only would it help us, but I think it would help the community because I hear about it all the time and I know all are thinking about where we are with that those. So, if we could get some updates on that, that'd be great. >> Yes, sir. Um, would you like me to comment? >> Sure. Go ahead. when I laid out the next
three workshops for the next three meetings, uh you can be expecting that uh update um on May 19th at a workshop and we'll cover everything that we're building, everything that you've already approved and initiated and we'll give
you statuses. >> That's it. >> All right. So, uh, for the, uh, next workshop, um, I would like to add an agenda item of West Causeway, uh, the entrance, official entrance to Treasure Island. Uh, when I leave the island and
upon my return, I feel like I have PTSD once I go over the bridge. You see, uh, the club's wall that obviously is in shambles. The Waste Pro storage uh, for the containers. I understand that they're uh, commercial dumpsters are being changed out. Uh, so it's a
temporary storage. They'll be done. Uh Gary has informed me that they'll be done soon moving out all the commercial uh dumpsters out. Um once the bridge is uh you know is on the right side on Treasure Lane side, it looks like
vendors and contractors are using the grass as an expressway to get onto Treasure Lane. Uh so I'd like to see maybe the city block that off and hopefully we get grass growing back there. Uh again, um it's uh muddy and
honestly it looks unsightly. Um uh the east causeway has been beautified with new palms and drainage improvements and I would like to see uh some progress on West Causeway. I know there's a lot of homes being constructed on Paradise Lane and Treasure Lane and now is the time to
maybe do some kind of drainage that uh went uh in on East Causeway. uh so we can have uh better drainage and then of course we'll fix uh 107th Avenue. Uh so for like H3 uh the commission item that
we had on today's agenda um lot of information when it came in you know we the commissioners got emails from staff uh on the packet and what's new and what's changed. Uh, I remember I reached
out to um our city attorney and asked uh you know uh the 48page contract came in I think Monday morning. Um and if I'm not mistaken uh it was difficult to read
uh uh that contract uh and figure out what's going on. Um, I had a uh meeting scheduled with uh the city manager that was cancelled uh to discuss a couple things, but I would actually like to make a motion.
So, I move to uh that changes to commission agenda packets, including revisions made after initial uh publication, be clearly identified using red line or highlighted formatting, and that all such updates may be made
publicly available in the same manner as the original packet to ensure transparency for both the commission and the public. I make that. We need highlighted or red line. I've been asking that for quite a while and uh it's easier to spot changes
uh when new information is inserted in the in the packet. So I hope the rest of the commission shares my frustration. >> Can I ask a quick question on that since he put a motion forward? >> Good. >> Um just to get clarity because that was
a lot. So you're saying if it there's last minute changes >> if there's last minute changes >> after the Thursday that everything has to be put in if there's changes. >> Correct. Like for this agenda we had information inserted Friday. We had information inserted Monday you know and
you know I'm clicking on the the blue highlighted it goes to uh the page obviously and it's hard to dictate what is new and what is old. What was there on Thursday? What wasn't there on Thursday. Uh so I feel like if the new information that's inserted the summer
camp uh came in in the afternoon today, you know, uh so kind of last minute, you know, if anything, it should have been postponed, but uh I think it's more of a full transparency, you know, and you know, I I have a daytime job. I'm not
retired like some of us up here, but uh you know uh and my other uh jobs and so on, but uh it's hard to jump onto a packet and figure out what's new, what's old, what's been removed, you know, uh red line if it's been removed, highlight
if it's new, and it's just more transparency. And I, you know, it's it's like you have to scan 48 pages again. I I remember reading uh contracts of old and you know some where the information on the right side was green you know highlighted and it's hard to figure out
what was removed what's new what should have been highlighted so >> so very similar it sounds like to what we had when we were doing when we changed like the commission procedure >> the rule yes thank you the rules of procedure where it had the red lines through it so >> that should be for everything we read
that should be on everything in in all the packets because just like this past weekend. Uh the information was published on Thursday at the end of the day. Information was added on Friday and I mean that under H3 the blue just got
super thick and I'm just like okay so what's new here? What I got to reread again? It's really hard to do it on your smartphone let alone the iPhone you know that's like tiny. Uh, and then I always go to my desktop, which you know, and because it's obviously a big screen, but
uh, it should be highlighted uh, for new information, redlinined, uh, still left in there, but redlinined to see what was removed. And I mean, I'm not an attorney, but if it was easier to view and read, I think that would make our life a little bit more easier.
>> I would say I'll second that. >> Thank you. any comment or I'm sorry for Yeah. >> Yeah. Do we need to do anything more than just have a consensus from >> I just would ask um
track changes in a word document? Is everybody familiar with that? >> Yes. >> Does that is that >> suffice for what you're asking for? >> Well, uh red line uh to see what was removed before it's removed. highlighted uh to show what's added and uh notes
like if if uh the attorney had notes on the side or if the city manager has notes on the side or anybody in whatever department is giving this information to have notes on what were they thinking quick jot like this I think this made more sense or whatever the case is. This
way we could read the notes, read the sentence again and then make a better informed decision than reading everything all over again. >> Yeah. And and I I agree with that not just with the last minute uh stuff that's added but any anything because sometimes we our our agenda packet is
745 pages and you know it's hard to read through those. So and many of them are just like a new a renewal contract and only the dates were changed and and the amounts you don't need to read all 45 pages of it. So, if
we could have uh if we could what was the expression you use? Uh word >> use the track changes. >> Yeah, track changes. Yeah, would be would >> defin on the actual agenda. >> Um but I I'll get with uh Miss Kennedy
and TN. And >> okay, >> as a reference, I don't know if that's what was used in it, but that when we did >> the rules of procedures, that was perfect is every time we made changes, it was redlined or it was highlight. That was >> and it had notes on the side.
>> It did. It had notes on the side. >> Microsoft. >> That was perfect. >> The only problem is going to be if you're p if you're putting in a copy of like a contract. I don't know how you're going to be able to and you're and you put a new contract in. And I don't know how you're going to be able you're not going to be able to redline that because it's not in like a word document. But
>> would you like a more detailed email so it'll note all the changes that are in there. We can show you what pages it's on. And >> I also don't want to add a lot more work for city staff, but I I want to you know Yeah, maybe next meeting you could keep.
But anyway, um >> yeah, I would like it easier in the long run. >> Right. Wait. You had a motion. >> Yeah. Well, you have a motion and a second. >> All in favor say >> he needs public comment.
>> Um would we need to >> You could take it if you'd like it, but you don't really need it. It's just an internal thing. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Well, it's internal for us. You look at that as well if I'm out of line. LPA meeting,
>> but you're going to need to come up to the speaker. I don't mind you doing it. >> Thursday's LPA meeting was exactly why the city needs to do this. We were literally sitting there and they were do showing us us the the board and the
people attending a redline version that had changed before the meeting started. So imagine that. I mean none of the board had seen the changes in that. So they're having to review it on these exact screens on redline versions of
what had been added and changed since that afternoon or morning when it was posted. So absolutely the right thing to do. >> He agrees with me. Amazing. >> Okay, Marie, >> just quickly um we usually track changes if we turn it on Microsoft Word like
they were saying. It's very easy just to turn that on. You just click it and then it shows you all the red lines since the beginning of the of the document. PDF I think you have to have read write which you all should on PDF and you should be able to see the track changes yourself
by turning it on yourselves. >> Great. Thank you. All right. Let's uh since we do have a motion a second, let's take a vote. Roll, please. >> Commissioner Clark, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Bazquez. >> I. >> Commissioner Sison. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Dicki. >> Hi. Mayor Doctor,
>> I >> thank you. >> And one last um commissioner comment. Uh the approval of minutes. I misspoke. I said at the wrong time. Um as uh Lisa and Tia finalized the minutes for the April 7th commission meeting. I would request that my commissioner comments be
fully and accurately reflected. Specifically, please include the questions I raised during the meeting uh where limited or no responses were provided by the city manager, Charles Vanzant. Towards the end of the discussion, there was a clear breakdown in responsiveness, including Mr. Van
stating, and I quote, "I don't have any comment to you or the rest of the commission tonight." That exchange is an important important part of the record and it clearly relates to the commission's ability to obtain necessary information to make informed decisions
on contracts, taxpayers funds, and projection direction, project direction. For clarity, I'm requesting that the minutes reflect this interaction as it occurred. The expectation is that the city manager is prepared to address commission questions and documenting
when it is standard when that standard is not meant is relative to the public record. If there are any concerns about how this should be documented, I'm happy to provide a timestamp for the meeting recording. Thank you.
>> That's all I have. Commissioner Dicki, >> I had uh intended to uh show a couple of slides, but and I sent an email to uh it, but I forgot to put the attachment. It was just one question. It was an update on the millage rate presentation
that I gave uh last week. one of the residents, as a matter of fact, Sarah Pennington, uh said, you know, don't focus on the average amount of of uh taxes, city property taxes that a resident pays because I had used it a figure around $1,752
cuz I think her words were that many people pay more than that. So, I did go back and look uh at it and it I it was pretty interesting. I broke it up by how many residents, you know, pay, you know, from 0 to $199. And anyway, 37% of our
residents, 37% pay less than $1,000 a year in city property taxes. 70% pay less than $2,000 a year in city property taxes. 88%
pay less than $3,000 a year in property taxes. City city property taxes. Okay, that's not total because remember >> your total property taxes. This is only 23% of your total bill. >> But anyway, so so only 12% pay more than
$3,000 a year. >> Uh and what does that translate into uh into residents? 516 516 households pay more than $3,000 a year. And interestingly, 56% of those households are not residents. They're
either have a second home or it's an Airbnb. So, so anyway, it's not a that that leaves 225 Treasure Island households that pay more than 3,000 a year in city property taxes. I just thought that was
interesting to to note. That's all I have. >> Thank you. Yeah, I'll tell you what. Uh I think that uh I the last month I have felt as though that I am back home that uh you know that the beaches are full,
people are walking down the streets, the restaurants uh are are pretty much full. I know they're going to start dropping off because it's getting to summer and school's going to be letting out and everything else. Um, but the one uh the one thing I did want to uh to address
was uh the regrand opening of the American Legion. Um, you know, we had a opening in November, but they didn't have a full menu and everything else. But, uh, yesterday or I mean Sunday, we
uh we actually did open up. Um we had one of our largest uh membership drives uh for the folks that were coming in on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Um the car show uh this was the biggest car show
financially that we had. Um and that that makes a big difference too for you know the the health of our uh donations because the the Sons of the American Legion all the money they take in they put back out in donations. So, uh, I
appreciate I know a lot of you, uh, were there or stopped by. Uh, I know Todd and and others. Uh, so I I appreciate it. And with that, we'll adjourn.