Good afternoon and welcome to the special commission meeting May 27th. 2025. I'd like to call this meeting to order. Now, if we could please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. City clerk, please call the role. Vice Mayor Bazquez.
here. Commissioner Clark here. Commissioner Sison here. Commissioner Dicki here. Mayor Doctor here. Thank you. All right. Approval of the regular and workshop meeting agendas. Do we have any
changes? Hearing none, we will move on. No proclamations, recognition, certificates of appreciation. So, now we'll move on to public comments for non-aggenda items. And I have one from Mark Hoey.
Well, that was fast. Uh, good afternoon, Mark Hoey, 225 104th Avenue, 110. Uh, just a quick comment and a uh tip of the hat to uh our city manager and team for hiring Gary, and I'm going to ruin his
name, Olan. I think that's right. Anyway, hiring Gary into the full-time position as public works director, that's great. We we've had a chance to communicate a few times. Think he's going to do a great job for it. Uh with that though, I want to ask once again as
to our progress or actions on a solid waste disposal comparison, insource, outsource, that that is still hanging out there. And it's hanging out there because at some point we're either going to spend five,
six, seven, eight, nine, 10 million, whatever the number is, we're going to spend big bucks on a brand new public works building that can be and should be scaled based on the decision made about the best use of our funds for solid
waste disposal. So, I keep it out there. I know this meeting is about something totally different and very important, but please keep that in your notes and the public deserves to be a part of that and hear how that works out. Okay. Thank you. Great. Thank you, Mark. I think we
have that on the agenda for June 3rd. June 3rd. Excellent. All right. Are there any other public comments? Sarah. Hi, Sarah Pennington. Um, I was hoping to today get get an update on the seaw
wall at 115th Avenue. It's looking worse by the day. I did say see some people out there and some cones, but um I've had some neighbors telling me that it's falling into the water at this point. There's debris going into the water. It's crumbling pretty bad and it's a big
concern for us out at Isle of Palms. If a big storm came and that seaw wall crumbled, I don't know what would happen to us out on Isle of Palms. So, I'm hoping uh to get an update today on that, please. Thank you. Thank you. And I'm sure the chief made uh I'm
sorry, sum manager made uh note of that. So, thank you very much, sir. All right. Uh we will not be doing commission reports today and we do not have any approval of minutes. We do not have a consent agenda.
So, we're going to move on to our first item of business, which is an appointment of an interim city manager. Hi, good afternoon. So, we put out information and a request for people who were interested in the and it's really,
for a lack of a better term at this point, interim city manager. We don't have an interim position written into our charter. So, this is really a temporary uh very specific fixed time period um in which we're going to have the a temporary city manager and that's
something that will be uh discussed once uh you select somebody kind of how what the what that duration should probably look like in the beginning. Uh there were four candidates uh that uh are coming forward to you uh today. It is Doug Andrews, uh Troy Bell, Howard
Brown, and Frank Babnick. So, um, each of you have had an opportunity to meet with, um, each candidate if you were able to do so. Um, so what I would like to do is propose just to kind of get the the conversation going is to facilitate
just who's your preferred person out of the four and then we kind of go down from there to see if there's any consensus amongst the group. So, and I'm going to go ahead and get this. Okay. So, are you going to have some sort of
sheet that's going to I do. Okay, great. There we go. Um, be before we do that, I I would like to make a motion uh to end the the interim city manager search immediately and roll those applicant
applicants into an immediate um uh search for a permanent city manager. Um, and if I need to amend the agenda to place this, you know, today on the agenda first, I'd like to do that. Um,
because I I just I not comfortable with this process. I think that we're wasting a lot of time and I think our focus should be on a permanent city manager. I second that. That mean we get to discuss it. Um, means we're going to discuss it. Absolutely.
Um so uh let's talk with SGR and talk to us a little bit about the contract and how that process is going to work. So with SGR um anybody anybody even if they're sitting here in a temporary position if they are interested in the
permanent position has to go through SG in order to apply. That's part of the contract. We will not accept any uh applications outside of SGR. Uh which means they'll be vetted in the exact same manner as every other candidate that comes through. Uh we will when we
post it onto our website, we will also uh very explicitly put on there that any interested candidates must apply through SGR and not directly to the city. So that is how the process is going to go on and that's what we're hoping to do
with this for the first 90 days uh is to have an interimm even though we don't have an interimm title. It would be a city manager that'd be under contract for 90 days and then a monthtomonth. So, what we're hoping for is to have uh Doug
from SGR uh he wants to contact all of us immediately and uh for us to basically set what our rules are going to be, how it's all going to work and uh and so that we will start that process immediately and uh and they're going to
be taking you know from what I think that last time we did this it was in the dozens of how many folks had applied but uh we ruled out a a lot of them because they weren't, you know, the the proper um everything that we wanted them to be.
And uh so so I guess that uh we now have uh a motion and a second. So, so this this um person that were to if they were to get this temporary position, they have
to put their name or they they couldn't become a permanent unless they went through the entire process against everyone else. That is correct. That is correct. They would what we're doing though for right now is for 90 days and then as I said month by month if we're not done with SGR in those first 90
days. But I would like to see him come up, you know, someplace in the next 60 days and then have somebody, you know, that's going to be working into the uh the program in 60 days. I mean, I would still rather try to do that as quickly as possible and not have to deal with an
interim person. I don't think that that's really I just I just, you know, I haven't even had a chance to talk to some of these people up here yet. I mean, I just I I'm not comfortable with this entire process. Well, unfortunately, unfortunately, we don't have an option because we don't
have chief for another 60 to 90 days. We have him, if we're lucky, maybe we get another different department head. I don't know. And what again? Then what's the difference? What's They're at least familiar and they're here. They're not familiar. We have all new department heads. Who would be who would be have the ability to do it? If we would have
had that option, that would have been one thing, but we don't. Everyone is new because everyone left. We don't have that option. chief has made that very very clear that we don't have that option. Everybody I just I laugh because
and it's not laughable but it almost is because it's like interim is a new concept. Anyone who has to let any city who has to let a city manager go or a city manager resigns, they don't try to let's try to get it in 60 days. No, they
get an interim and then they do the due diligence that they need to do. If the interim's not good, it's a short contract. You you do away with them and and go to the next one. um to pretend
like we have the option is is one absolutely not fair to Chief Bars and we we can't force him to sit behind that that desk when he's made it very clear that we have him for a short period of
time and quite frankly not interviewing the candidates who took the time to apply that's that's on the people who didn't interview him when you find out Sunday night at at mid Sunday night. I found out the same time yet I not only
had the time to meet with him to speak with him, but I also 1:00 and 4:00 today. I apologize. Not doing due diligence. He was even available on Memorial Day to have a phone conversation. So that is not on seems
like a rush process to me. That's just ridiculous. Frank didn't meet the deadline when we were gathering all these. Frank didn't know about it. Frank didn't know about it. He didn't meet the deadline is the bottom line. Still didn't know about it. Still didn't meet the deadline. And we have two
gentlemen here before us, which in my opinion, when you apply for a job, you show up for that, which basically this is an interview. And when you apply for a job, you show up for the interview. And we have two of those gentlemen here today. And this argument back and forth
about waiting shouldn't even be an argument because we don't have it as an option. It's not an option. We don't have Chief. He takes his new position in July. He cannot. Believe me, I love him to death. I would love for him to stay. I think he's done a kick-ass job. Excuse
my language, but he can't stay. He can't continue. This is not his job. This is temporary. Jessica, I'd like to jump in on this. Uh, how quickly could SG move uh move us through the process? I mean,
what best case scenario, how quickly could we uh could we hire a new city manager through SGR? So, I'm going to say best case scenario is probably going to be anywhere between 3 to four months. So, the candidate pool that is going to
be available is the candidate pool that's available now. So, the shorter your time period to recruit and you're going to narrow your uh the skill set that you're looking for because you want that coastal experience, you want the ICMA credential, do you want the city
manager experience? All of that is going to determine what your candidate pool looks like. And the shorter the time period narrows that pool even more. So the the if we put too narrow of a time period on the recruitment, you could have some folks who are just not ready
yet, but may be ready in another month. It's really just kind of who's available now. Then on top of that, you have the vetting process, the interviews, uh the potential that someone's going to have to move here. Okay. I met with uh
with acting city manager of ours earlier today and I appealed to him to see how much time we could get out of him and the best I could tell reluctantly was maybe six weeks uh and and okay July 1 would probably
have to be my my deadline. Okay. So that's four four and a half weeks. So, so I can see uh Vice Mayor's Vasquez point about uh about having a void there. I also asked about the possibility that Chief Barkley might uh
serve in that position and uh could you explain why that is is not an option? So, it's really his role as a police chief that does not really allow for uh a police chief in my experience for a
police chief to be um in city manage the same position that that the fire chief is in. Um other cities have tried it and unfortunately that just did not work out. Yeah. Both chiefs basically are officers of the state. Yeah. Both chiefs and the clerk are um city officers.
There's a 1980 Florida Attorney General opinion that that spells out police and fire chief in particular as being ineligible. Now, it's it's not statute, but it is what in legal terms is called a qualified opinion. So, you know, on
advice of council, but but you've been you've been the acting city manager for the last four weeks. So, my question is why could if Chief Barkley were so inclined to accept it, why couldn't he do the same thing? It would. Yeah. Chief Barkley would have to agree and he could act. We couldn't make him we would have
to retain the former city manager on payroll in a leave without pay status or leave with pay status. Okay. To get enacting. And is it Well, that's the same as paying a new interim to come in though. I mean, they're going to be paying the money regardless. And is it
not a fact though? Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Is it not a fact though that um we've already come to contract with the um former city manager and it's coming to June 3rd to finalize that I believe um for his um he already signed off on
everything because I believe it ended up being a res he signed off but could always extend it and spend more money. Well, regardless, we're going to spend a lot more money if we select any of these candidates. But again, you're looking at, as Jessica just stated, a three to four month
minimum process with CGR, and you're right back into the same place with Chief I'm sorry, I apologize, SGR. You're back into the same position with Chief Barkley as we're in now. He's going to
be very limited on how long, if he even agrees to it. Let's let's side note that. Um, if he even agrees to it. I mean, you know, both of them have a lot on their plate right now. They are going to be once again having to move their
stations. They're going to be getting that all set up, getting their officers and the firemen and women, you know, in their new facilities and going. We have hurricane season. You know, Chief Bars has been helping us. It has not been
hurricane season. God forbid something come up and our chief of police is a sitting city manager, he's not able to do his job as the chief of police and then everybody's going to be upset over that. So it do I think he's capable of
it? Of course I do. Um I think both of them are excellent for it. However, it's not practical and it's not a new thing to have an interim city manager. That is a common practice. Is it ideal? No. I would love I would love for us to be
wiggle our nose and have a magical wonderful perfect fit for a city manager and you know to be ongoing but realistically somebody can look great on paper just like the one we just had. Somebody can look great on paper.
Somebody can interview well but until they're a sitting city manager you don't know how they're going to be. I think um I think you know saying that everybody does an interim and all that that's all true but not everybody we're in a unique situation. We're coming off
a pretty bad spell with our old city manager and we need some stability. But what option do we have said he's available to July third July 1st. So we we could pressure at most SG to within So you're going to pick a city manager
in four weeks with a nationwide. We could ask them to uh give us what they have. Jessica just told you why you can't. I've already been calling some of the people that um you know did it last time and trying to find out if we can find some people that are interest. I
think if all hands on deck we we could maybe um speed up the process. Actually you should not be doing that. It is against the contract. So, please cease and desist. Okay, we have a motion and we
have a second public comment. Yes, Robert, I respect Robert Baza while Capri and HR I think has a play in this. question military and federal government, we have something called acting and and clearly it's usually the second second in
command, the second in seniority. I guess it's a question of the contract and paying him or not, but in my professional experience, I I happen to agree with Commissioner Clark. Um I don't think this process is is it's not done correctly. Everybody needs to be interviewed. Um I don't agree with with
uh Commissioner uh my commissioner Tammy. Um, you can always make things happen. And, uh, for instance, there are compacts, other cities that we talked to Madiraa Beach, we talked to Red Insurers. If I was in charge here, I'd be talking to Tallahassee. I mean, let's get some
help. Um, there's lots of people here that we could probably bring in. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but if we go to Tallahassee and ask them to give us a body, um, they could probably do that. There are always rules and regulations to make to make things happen. Um, but I
think that we could probably have some kind of a a compact. Uh, Madera Beach, I'm sure has somebody second in charge there, second seniority that maybe could come over here for 30 days. Having July 1st as a date here uh with the with the fire chief here, I think could work. But
I I do agree that this is too fast. And having a commissioner not interview somebody um in my opinion means it's just primacia that we should not have this vote today uh for an interim. Um, thank you. Sarah Sarah Pennington is of palms. I don't
envy you guys in this position right now. I understand it is really tough. I think um I understand that mainly I think the most important point that all of us can agree on is that we need to take our time and get the perfect
candidate. Maybe not perfect, but the best candidate that we can find. And so what about a happy medium idea of keep Chief Bars until July 1st and then at that point if we don't have the proper
candidate, then hire an interim city manager. So that way we're getting the best of both options. It gives us a little more time to look for a potential permanent city manager. If we don't have the right candidate, then we are we're out of options at that point and we need to look at an interim and that could buy
us a little bit of time. But I do agree with probably all of you that we definitely need to take our time and find the right person for the position. Thank you. Mark Hoey Mark Hoey 2254th Avenue 110. Um
back on May 6th, the commission collectively uh made the right decision in uh deciding to change city managers. That was a huge decision that will put into motion the writing of the ship that is Treasure Island's city management
team. Uh I think now you have the opportunity uh to continue that by making the right decision about how we go forth to get a new city manager. Absolutely. I mean right now it's coming down to a decision to rush through
looking at the limited number of folks who've applied and people who haven't applied but have shown up for the job or go into an expedited recruiting process. If you remember, some of you remember, we had almost 60 candidates the last
time around. 60. So, I'd be happy if in 30 days we could get 30 for you to choose from. I don't know. That's up to Doug Thomas and his organization to do, but the right decision now is for the
city to forego the interim CM job. Chief Bars done a great job. Appreciate it. understand, respect your decision not to extend it. Appreciate another 30 days. That's great. But there's no reason economically or
operationally that we should rush in, get a interim city manager only to go through a breakin process again in another 60 or 90 days with new people. Let's carry it forward. I've heard it time and time again by this
administration and the prior how great our people are in the city and how well the oiled machine we have. All good. They can keep this thing going while we get a chance to get the right candidate. So, in the end, you need to make another
right decision here. Let's get SJR to move forward fast. get you some people to look at quickly and make that the prime mission, not going through a two-step process. Thank you.
And and if I could address that just briefly, those comments, mayor. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, even 30 days, it doesn't give you 30 days to advertise the the person has to interview. who you have to be at a regular or at a scheduled meeting to to bring the
position up and a you know four to hire four votes to hire and then that person may be coming out of a job where they need to give between 14 and 30 days notice so 30 days is not really going to do much of anything for us and if I'm correct would it also not
be a transfer of I mean there's a certain level of projects that would have to be discussed in training the new one and that transfer of power also. And obviously if you've moved on to your next step, I mean I would I
would still be here and happy to help. But I mean you still have that transfer of Yeah, there would be a instantaneous transfer of power. It would just be bringing the new person up to speed and as acting city manager I would still be here and you know more than willing to help out. Thanks.
Ronald Dezazi. Yes. you'd like to speak on this uh the appointment of interm city manager. My name is Ronald Dubyzi. I'm a resident of Treasure Island and I have a couple concerns here
uh that I would like to address to council. Uh, how is the city manager going to be hired? Uh, who's going to pick them? Who decides who the city manager is going to be? And how do they apply?
This is not a give and take type situation. This is you have five minutes for uh to speak your piece on this item. So, I can't get a response on on on my questions. Correct. Well, I'd like to apply for city
manager. How do I go about it? I can't get an answer. Right. So, if anybody here wants to apply for the position, how do they go about? I I mean, according to Robert's rules, uh I believe it's the commission has to
answer my questions. It's an open meeting. You could check with city attorney if you would like, but it's even in your own charter. I mean, what are we here for? If we can't get answers, you could check with the city attorney if you like and uh you could
check with Robert's rules, which uh a reg committee cannot supersede Robert's rules. You could check that anywhere you want. And as far as an open meeting
goes, my question should be answered as a citizen, my concern. So, if you want to check that, I'll wait. If you want me to just chime in, mayor, quickly. Respectfully, no. There's no obligation
for the city to profer legal advice. They have the discretion to direct me to give you a written opinion, a verbal opinion, whatever. And of course, I'm more than happy to speak with you after the meeting, but they have no illegal obligation to provide any legal advice to anybody anytime. Um, I'm not looking for legal advice, sir. Well, even even
just answers in a Q&A type setting. Uh, and not to interrupt, you do get your five minutes, but and again, I'm more than happy to meet with you, but there's no legal obligation on the city for me to give you any kind of an opinion on a matter respectfully. I mean that respectfully. I'm not trying to be rude
to you. What am I supposed to do up here for five minutes? Well, most people use public comment just to express whatever issue they want the city to deal with and that's it. Okay. So, I could express my concerns. Yes, sir. Okay. Well, my concern is is that the way we hire a city
manager is totally ridiculous because the people don't have any say who becomes a city manager. We don't get to voice our opinion. We don't get to choose our city manager. Our city manager is supposed to represent
us and we don't have any voice in how he's elected. I mean, we've learned in the past that the process that we use to select city managers doesn't
work. It just doesn't work. We get people that are not qualified. We get people from outside the state of Florida that have no um what's the word that I'm looking for? uh no nothing invested in the in the
city in our city. They come here, they uh manage the city and then they move on. every two years we have a new city manager or just about uh and the city managers that we do have, they're not
accountable to the people and this system just doesn't work. And uh I'd like the committee to know, if I'm allowed to say this, uh that
uh let's see, um a petition is going to be formed [Music] to no longer have a city manager. but to have a strong
mayor which would be accountable to the people. Not to the council, not to anybody else. Would be accountable to the people. And with a strong mayor, the people could fire him. He's not doing his job. All they
got to do is get a petition up. They fire them. Thank you. The five minutes are up. I I just want to say that's why I made the motion. Thank you. That's why I made the motion. I don't like the way this process has gone. I mean, we we can put your name up there. You don't have to have any accreditations. You don't have to have been a city manager before.
It doesn't matter when you put your resume in. You want to be city manager, we'll throw your name bomb on there. We don't have to interview you either. I mean, I didn't have any time to interview. So, I mean that. Yeah. Throw you up there. I would like that. And I would like to get my resume in. I could get it in tomorrow.
You don't want my resume? Oh, sure. Oh, okay. Yeah, I would like that. Could you put my name in? Sure. Make sure you address it to Chris Clark. Address what? To Chris Clark. Your resume.
Okay. But how do I put my name up there? He said he right now you could put my name up there to run for city manager. He doesn't tell the truth all the time. We're We're not looking for any more names. So, you're saying that I can't run them,
ma'am? Yeah, you actually could u because we're hiring the the or we've we actually have them um SGR and that's where everyone is going to have to apply through. So, you absolutely could and I'm sure you could email any of us. I
mean, I don't know that, but we could refer it to um HR or the city clerk and get you the information on how to apply through them. But you would be able to apply for the actual city manager's job through them through SGR. Okay. And that'll be it wouldn't put you up there
right now because we're not discussing a permanent city manager position right now. I'm talking about the interim city manager. Unfortunately, that's what we're discussing tonight. So that's why I'm here. Yeah. That's closed and so and your five minutes are up. Yeah. Thank
you, sir. In all due respect, my question wasn't answered. In all due respect, we don't answer questions. If we did a give and take in this process, we wouldn't be out of here until 2:00 in the morning. I would like to address the city
attorney again if I might. Please have a seat. Mayor Mayor Mayor, if I could let me close public comment. Okay, so public comment is now closed. No, go ahead. Okay, thank you. Yeah, we've got our we're in a real dilemma here. I I mean,
I I we we we're we're in a bad situation here. We can't we we've got 30 days left with the chief in terms of being the uh the acting city manager. We can't keep the position open. That doesn't make
sense either. And I feel very uncomfortable uh us going through this process right now without two of the commissioners having interviewed all the all the candidates. So, the only thing I'm going to suggest at this point is that we
postpone this process until our next regularly scheduled uh meeting and that we uh select after the other two commissioners have had a chance to interview all the candidates then we uh then then we make the decision at that
time because otherwise I think having two of the four vote uh or two of the five commissioners vote on candidates that they don't even know haven't even talked who uh we're not going to get a the the best result.
I'm just curious. I know that you did not have the opportunity to to do all of the candidates. Correct. No, I mean I I found out about one this weekend. I did not get it. I couldn't interview him this afternoon. I had I was working and I couldn't interview him. So, I'm just trying to figure out and I mean I I was I guess I was being facitious, but I
mean like when did the process close? I mean, that's like I'm saying, how can we tell somebody right now that they can't come in here and want to do this? I mean, was there We just found out about somebody 48 hours ago and he could be the best candidate in the world. I don't know, but I'm not can't vote for someone
I've never spoken to. I mean, I don't know how I'm supposed to do that. And so now if we put it off a week, are 10 more people's names going to come into the I mean I don't I just I'm not used to this type of process from probably not considering that we our list is getting shorter because they're going back and
watching um old city meetings and they want nothing to do with us. So I highly doubt we'll have more people to choose from. If anything, we'll have less because literally they watch a city meeting and we had one withdraw. I believe it was this morning or yesterday. um because
they have watched city meetings and they literally want no part of it. So, he withdrew. So, to say that we'll probably have 10 more candidates, probably not. He wasn't very I'm not disagreeing with that, but it doesn't change the fact
that he was he checked all the boxes. He checked every box. He was a former city uh manager for many many years, two cities, coastal experience, um certifications. He checked all the boxes and I agree with you was not the
right candidate. However, the point is he withdrew because he watched city meetings, saw the arguments, saw the the public comment, and wanted nothing to do with this city. Are you sure you know that for effect? Absolutely I do. Did
you ask Did you read the email? I I didn't get the email, but I interviewed everyone except for Frank who didn't meet the deadline. We all got the email where every one of us are in it. I mean, on top of it all, I think there's been
uh I I care about the residents and I feel like there's been a a lack of trust over the way things have gone down with our former city manager every I just don't think this this rushed deal here helps with
with resident trust of us up here and uh that means a lot to me and that's the way that I feel the way that I feel. I would love I would love an explanation of not giving resident trust. I'm curious about what that means. Tell me what you mean. I'm being very sincere.
I'm not being sarcastic. I'm I mean I mean it's a rush process. I would have thought that all these resumes went out at least for the like residents to be able to see. I mean they came out very shortly ago. Um I think when they see us talking about we just found out about someone a couple hours ago and didn't
have a chance to interview them. I understand that's my fault that I couldn't I couldn't interview someone within a 4 hour time period today. I'm sorry. Respect. It wasn't in the last four hours. We've known about Well, I have a ill father and I and I have a lot going on also. So, I'm sorry that you
know I wasn't able to take my whole weekend up to to to work on this. I apologize. I'm I'm I'm happy that you could do that. I was not able to. Well, it's part of our responsibility as city commissioners to do our due diligence when we know something is of vital
importance because we have to have a solution. So, and and I mean that as respectfully as it can come and I don't think this has anything to do with public trust. The public trust us to do our jobs. Our
job is to do our due diligence and try to pick the appropriate person for the time. This is an interim position. If they get in here and they absolutely suck, then we fire them. Is it optimal? No. Not everything is. We We don't live at Disney World. But we have to make
moves and we have to do what we have to do. and sitting around and living in a dream world that we're going to find this magical perfect person within the next 30 days and they're going to be able to come work here in the next 30 days and that they're going to be ready
to go in the next 30 days is it's naive and pretty much impossible. We found a city attorney that got five votes. We absolutely did. And I believe Jennifer resigned in March if I recall. Yeah. So,
we had a lot of time and city attorney is a permanent position. Now, could we up and and change our minds tomorrow if if the city attorney does something we don't like? Of course, we could just like we could a permanent city manager. But where the
neglect comes into our citizens is not doing our job as commissioners that they absolutely hired us to do, which is represent our constituents, doing what's best for the city, and the city cannot move forward without some type of a city manager. And again, a city manager can
look perfect on paper. They can interview perfectly, but until they're sitting behind that desk doing that job, we don't know what they're going to do. Case in point, the last nine months. So anyway, given the situation we're in, uh, mayor and uh, fellow commissioners, I'd like to recommend that we, uh, give
the, uh, the commissioners another week to interview all the candidates that have applied already and to have this go through this process at our next uh, commission meeting. Should I put that in the form of a motion or do you guys want
to discuss? We have a motion and a second on the table. We first have to dispense with that. Um, so why don't we do that now? Uh, do we have any more uh commission comments? All right. Roll call, please. Could you
repeat the motion, please? Chris. Yeah. I said that I would move to end the interim city manager search immediately. Enroll the applicants and findings into immediate search for the full-time city manager. Okay. And we had a second. So that was
just repeating. Um so roll. Commissioner Clark. Uh yes. Commissioner Sison. I. Vice Mayor Bazquez. No. Commissioner Dicki. No. Mayor Doctor. No. Okay. So we've now dispensed with uh with that
motion. And uh so now it it sounds as though uh somebody had a motion to table this to the next meeting. Yes. I'd like to make a motion that we uh extend this uh session to select an interimm city
manager until our next regularly scheduled city commission meeting on June 3rd. Could you also add that this is the uh the number of candidate or these are the candidates that we're going to be discussing uh and that we uh close it out as of uh the candidates
that were that have applied up to this point May 27th on May 27th. Okay. So now we need a second. I second. Okay. Okay. Any discussion?
Roll, please. Oh, I I actually had discussion. Yeah, I wanted to um because I'm not that I'm completely opposed to that. However, we have the one candidate who was not interviewed because of the the
late entrance um who drove four hours to be here. Um if he is comfortable with it, why can't we? And again, don't not to put you on the spot, but if he is comfortable with it, why can't we have him come up and
basically introduce himself and have a conversation with him? And I mean, we talk about transparency and wanting to give our citizens transparency. What better than a live and public interview? And we could do that with both of the gentlemen that are here for that matter.
Then we have complete transparency. And at the end of that, if we still feel we need to wait at that point, I would, you know, I wouldn't really have a problem with it. However, I think we I if that can be done,
um that would be kind of, you know, especially since we're talking about transparency, um what better way than to have a a introduction and dialogue in that particular situation
with, you know, with the gentleman who actually came to apply for the job rather than a waste of his 4hour drive over here. Yeah. I mean, that's just my thought. And I mean, I think honestly, I think the citizens would like it. I think they would like to hear that. I
mean, not just the ones here, but the ones watching. And I'm sure there's a lot of them watching. So, that that would be my suggestion. So, one thing if I could that I just want to point out, um, just in case anyone's aware, we did not invite any of
the candidates to be here today. So, it wasn't anything that I opened up to them because I knew that some of them for an interim position, I knew that some of them would have to travel pretty far and it was a very short time period. So, I didn't want to make it necessarily a requirement for them to be here. Uh, now
we would absolutely for the permanent position. Um, with that, if you choose to do that and have the other two candidates that are here come up, I would highly suggest discussing what you've learned about the other candidates who cannot be here. So that
way all of you have a full picture of who has applied and what you've learned from the other candidates as well regarding their experience and how they may fit with Treasure Island on an interim position. Now, would you suggest that even if they're not in like our top
two? Well, the three and I'm just asking because we did all interview them. So, I Yes, I would still suggest it because even if they're not your top, they may be somebody else's. And so, I would really like for everyone to have all of the information possible to make the
most educated decision that you can. Got it. Makes sense. I mean, I personally I I have more time to spend than just here. I like to go back and look at the cities. They've been city managers. What happened with the tax rates? what happened with um you
know uh development, what happened with a lot of different things. I just I have not had a chance to do that with our last candidate. Okay, public comment. We have a motion and a second. And now public comment.
Just one thing I overlooked. Mark Hoey 225 104th Avenue 110. um not the last meeting meeting before. One of the comments was that the MMA does have assistance in this type of
situation where a city is in between and I understood again I didn't follow up on it but that they had a possible pool of people who could step in in an interim or emergency basis. Have we looked at that? Was there somebody available? Was
it somebody that might work out to fill this gap instead of the pressure uh time sensitive? So, mayor, thank you. Yes, two of the candidates, Troy Bell and Howard Brown came from ICMA and their managers in transition program.
So, yeah, we were sent uh the two that they had that are both qualified. They are they available immediately or no that put them in the No, not per their interview. They're not available immediately. Yeah.
Rhonda by DBazi. Yes. Comment. Yes. Uh my comment is we're getting away from uh the old system that basically doesn't work. My comment
is why can't we pick someone from Penllis County, preferably Treasure Island, that has a stake in the city? Why can't we pick someone from here
rather than searching uh outside of Podellis County or even Treasure Island? I'm sure there's candidates here that could fill this position and would want this position. So why are we always stepping out of
our perimeters here and searching for people that have no stake in the game? They have they have nothing here whatsoever. So that's my comment. I think we should search for somebody
right here in Treasure Island to fill this position. Thank you for your for your time. Thank you. Okay. So, once again, we now have a another uh motion and a second and we'll
need to dispense with this as well. So, uh further discussion further discussion on the commission and to address that just um to kind of go with what you said, we do have one candidate that actually lives here on Treasure Island. So, just to kind of let you know that.
So, we do have a local that has applied who's actually in the meeting this evening. So, I did want to mention that um it's already closed. They they he Yeah, the mayor already closed public comment.
Um as further discussion, again, I go back to what I originally said. I think that for the public and and I I would agree with what Jessica said as well, discuss all of them because honestly I
think that's what we need to do anyway for the public because I think they feel like this has all been done behind closed doors which I mean that's kind of normal and it kind of has. So I think speaking publicly about it um we can definitely speak about the the
candidates that aren't here for sure. I've got notes on them because we've all interviewed them. And I think um having two of the candidates here, we can speak very frankly and very openly and have a conversation so that the citizens do feel like they're more involved. Um and
they are hearing from them because right now even if you read resumes, resume doesn't tell you who that person is and I think we would all agree with that. It's meeting you know meeting them. it's, you know, whether it's at a restaurant with 10 people or whether it's one-on-one in an office, I think
having the ability to have a com conversation openly and ask questions and answers um publicly so that and again discussing the ones that aren't here. Um I mean I kind I know if I was a resident that's what I would want to hear. I would kind of want to hear a
little bit about the candidates. So, I kind of I would go, you know, I don't know how that would work. If we could table it till further in the meeting, your motion, and then possibly do that, and then if we still all want to wait, we could go back to it. I'm not
sure 100% how that would work, but if uh if the other commissioners wanted to do what you're suggesting, I I'll gladly withdraw my motion. Okay. So, it's in uh Commissioner Clark and Commissioner Sison's hands at this time, I think, in
terms of whether they want to do that. I'm not comfortable with interviewing uh the two candidates that are here because Troy and Howard aren't here either. So, it's kind of It's not about that. It's about just being transparent. We can discuss the other candidates. My point was one of the candidates um and one of
the commissioners didn't get a chance to have a conversation. So, okay, what better way than publicly to ask him questions. I'm sure he has nothing to hide. I'm sure there's no questions that Commissioner Clark has that he cares that anyone hears. So, that's my point.
Regardless whether we make a decision tonight or not, I think that having an open discussion about all the candidates and we happen to have two here. I think that is I think that's the only we all talk about transparency to our citizens
and to the people our constituents. You don't get any more transparent than that than having an open discussion not behind closed doors to where nobody can say oh there's secret deals happening here or oh we don't know who that person is. I think we should discuss it openly regardless of whether we vote tonight or
whether we vote on the the third. That's my opinion. Yeah. Besides just the interview, same thing I do when I hire people at my company. I do a lot of research on them, you know, uh find out. So, yeah. I mean,
that's not going to really I I did not get a chance to do that today, so that really wouldn't work. Okay. So, who made that last motion? I did. You did? And you've withdrawn your motion? No, no. I said I would have if the other commissioners were willing.
So, the the motion stays on the table. Okay. And And it's And we had a second. Yes. So, it's time time to vote. So, yeah. Now, uh would you repeat the motion? Yeah. I motion to extend this uh the selection
of the interimm city manager to our next regularly scheduled meeting on June 3 and to close the applicants out as of the uh applicants that we've had up to this point. Okay. John, Mayor, did you have an
opinion on the discussing the candidates here? Um, yeah, I I tend to agree this time with uh Commissioner Clark that uh it it's awfully difficult to uh to represent them because that's what we'd
be doing. We'd be representing to no to the audience what they their feelings are and everything else. Again, I'm not trying to say let's take the vote tonight. I I I'm not saying that, but I think it's unfair to the citizens to not have an open conversation. Okay? If if we
don't want to talk to them. If we have their resumes in front of us, every single one of us have them on our iPad. If you don't want them to talk, then they don't talk. But I still feel like we need to discuss so that we're not June 3 once again starting from
scratch. I think we still need to at least discuss for the citizens, the candidates, and then if nothing else, they can come to us over the next week and say, "Hey, you know what about this?" They can ask us questions. They can voice then that gives them the opportunity to voice an opinion on who
maybe they think is the right choice. Um because right now to me it sounds like they don't feel like they have a choice or or I apologize, they don't feel like they have a voice in the decision. So if we openly discuss the candidates again
we don't have to we don't have to if nobody wants to ask questions that's perfectly fine. I still think we need to discuss it so that the people at home again to go with with Ardan's motion. I don't have a problem so much with
waiting till Tuesday, next Tuesday. Doesn't change my opinion on that. We need to discuss it openly today for the citizens and if anything, it does give them a week to come and talk to us, our constituents to talk to us on who they think might be the better option. Um,
and because that's who we're supposed to be representing anyway. So, if they know nothing about these people, then how are we how are we supposed to hear from our constituents? Um, I saw one person post today, um, Sarah. Um, I saw her
concerned today on social media and she said, "How where is it published that, you know, of the people that have applied for the job so that we can look into them?" So, it's obvious that she and many other people don't feel like they know who these people are. we can
discuss it and then they can come back to us over the next week and say, "Hey, now we know who they are. Now we've heard you discuss it. This is my opinion." I think that's the fair thing to do is representing our constituents is to openly, transparently discuss it.
I don't think any of us could um give the the feeling, the answers, the anything of the two gentlemen that are not here with us. I'm not saying ask them questions. I'm saying discuss it. We don't have the opportunity. It's going to turn out to be one and the same. I No, but we don't have the
opportunity because of sunshine. We don't have the opportunity to discuss it with one another. And everybody wants transparency. That's what everybody talks about. So, I don't know why everybody up here is so opposed, with the exception of Ardan, of having an open discussion about the candidates who
have applied. We don't have city attorney. Yeah. Can I ask, can we uh call a workshop immediately following this meeting? Um, unfortunately, that window would be too short to be considered reasonable notice. Okay. But you could do it in I've seen it done in
24 or 36 hours. If you wanted to do it this week, it's it's possible. It's legal, but not right after this meeting because you'd have to give at least a day or two. Most people three days. All right. Most cities legally. Do we have the option to openly discuss it in this meeting to discuss the candidates? Yeah,
you can discuss it right now. You can um and but I think on the on the June 3rd meeting when we go through this process, we'll have that opportunity to openly discuss. But by then, our constituents don't have the time to come to us and talk with us. They will have
had the time at that point in time. I hope we'll post these resumes on the on our website. They'll have a chance to do that and have a chance to talk to us. And my bet is if any of the residents want to talk with any of the the four candidates, they directly my bet is I mean they've got their phone numbers right here on their resumes and my bet
is they'd be willing to talk to I guess I'm just surprised that no one wants to publicly have a conversation just the commissioners. Doesn't have to include the people. I do June 3rd uh after uh commissioner. Why can't we discuss it today? because they haven't done they
haven't had their opport they haven't done the research and and and had the discussions with the with the uh last candidate. That's my answer to that. All right, I call the vote. Commissioner Dicki, yes. Mayor Doctor,
yes. Vice Mayor Basquez, with due respect to Ardan, no. Commissioner Clark. Yes. Commissioner Zison. Yes. Okay. So, we're moving on. Item number two, temporary fire and police facilities contract.
Mayor, Dr. M, if I may. Yep. So for this item because it failed in a motion last time during a previous meeting for this to be brought up a motion would be have to be made and that's in the rules of procedure I believe is item
7 7.10. So a motion for reconsideration before the item can be talked about. Okay. So all right. So the motion would be hang on let me pull this up. I make a motion to reconsider approval
of agenda. Add motion to uh reconsider temporary housing of police and fire. Do we have a second? I second. We have a second. All right. Uh do we have any public
comment? Okay, hearing none, we'll close public comment. Any discussion up here? I have a question. This 18 and 12 isn't what we just voted on the other night. We didn't vote. It was tabled. We voted and it was two to two and it died. So,
it was moved to I thought that was for 18 and 18, not 18 and 12. This says 18 and 12 on here. 18 and 12 was tied, which is why it was moved to this meeting. Correct. I think both of them
were tied. Yes, there were two votes for 18 and 18. There was two votes when we went to 18 and 12. So what are we voting on right now? We're going to be voting on the first one which is 18 and 18. But that right now we had to have a motion
to consider bringing this item back up. Okay. And we had a second. Yes. Okay. Good. So now we need uh a role. Commissioner
Sison. Hi. Vice Mayor Vasquez. Hi. Commissioner Clark. Nay. Commissioner Dicki. I'm gonna say yes, but I think I'm voting on 18 months for both the Oh, wait. I thought this was See, I don't
know what I'm I didn't know what I was voting on either. I'll be honest with you. Be able to vote on it. It just had to come up as reconsideration. Then I say yes to reconsideration. Mayor Doctor. Yes. Thank you. Okay. I still know. Okay. So now we are going to
receive a motion for the first which is 18 and 18. We discuss I move to approve the city manager to enter into a contract with Will Scott Inc. for
391,856 to provide 18 months of temporary public safety facilities to the police and fire departments. I second. We have a motion and a second. Public comment hearing none. We'll close public comment. And now discussion amongst the
commissioners. I hear no comments. Roll call, please. Vice Mayor Vazquez. I. Commissioner Dicki. I. Commissioner Clark. Nay. Commissioner Sison. No. Mayor Doctor. I All
right. City Manager, do you have anything else that uh would needs to come before us now? I do not. Okay, we're adjourned.