welcome to the city of Treasure Island Planning and Zoning Board meeting for April 17th 2025 if you wish to speak on a topic which is on today's agenda the speaker's card is available on that table over by the entrance and must be
filled out and given to the chairperson please do not address the board from your seat but rather from the podium where your comments can be heard by all and recorded as required by Florida statute unscheduled topics may be presented under the public comments
section of the agenda if we could all stand for the uh pledge of allegiance i aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice all okay if y'all if everyone in the room would please silence their cell phones so we don't uh have any unnecessary interruptions we have one new board
member here today and she needs to be sworn in you're going to repeat after me you want to miss it yeah we can stay in the chair go ahead and raise your right hand i state your name caris Sim do solemnly swear do solemnly swear that I
will support protect and defend that I will support protect and defend the Constitution and government of the United States the Constitution and the government of the United States and of the State of Florida and of the State of Florida that I will well that I will
well and faithfully perform the duties and faithfully perform the duties on the planning and zoning board on the planning and zoning board and local planning agency and local planning agency of the city of Treasure Island Florida of the city of Treasure Island Florida on which I'm about to enter on
which I'm about to enter so help me God so help me God thank you welcome to the board and I want to take a minute to thank Michael Brashiano if I mispronounce her name again uh and Lynn Fischer for their service to the board uh several have
moved off the island and that's the reason for their resignations okay if you're going to speak on today's case uh you need to be sworn in so Tia we'll let you swear in anyone who's going to speak today give me one second i knew I forgot one
thing do you by any chance have the swearing in paper i do not know i got it can everyone raise their right hand that is going to be speaking today do you swear that the testimony you're
about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth thank you okay Tia do we have a roll call gary Patenziano here ross Sanchez here cara Sim here chris Downing here marvin
Sher here richard Harris here thank you so we do have approval of amendments we have none status on prior planning or zoning casing what uh what is happening in the city swear one of these days I will get that to you before these meetings
but obviously you know we're still busy but yeah car just so you know like typically what I would try and do is I would try to put together like a sheet of like overpass uh P&Z cases and let you just give you basically like an update where they're at so but I do have some that I wrote down if I can read my
own handwriting um so just some right now uh so we got the gas station um last week we heard they're still working on corrections comments most with FDOT still having issues with them and then the four unit structure at 10126 Golf
Boulevard um that's just going through permit review right now and the parking lot at 12765 Sunshine Lane uh they're working with the county on getting the easement which was also part of that rightway vacation
that they had and then the final plat at 7675 Beayashore Drive um that applicant is working with FD uh because he has to gain title of the artificially filled land between the deed line and the mean
high water line so once that's done and we get that documentation uh we'll bring that back for the final plat recommendation to the commission and then yeah those are the biggest ones I can come up with right now yeah those are the big those were the
big ones that last one was the stuff on Sunset right the condu behind the um I forget the exact address Jesse but uh the buildings came down the
silt fence was up and then the storms came i assume that that one is it's up there around 124th right on Gulf Boulevard is there anything happening with that one at all i mean I'm not even real sure of the address so I'm not
helping you there but uh it was going to be a fivetory uh five over parking uh hotel or condo hotel right there on Gulf Boulevard it just doesn't appear that much is happening maybe Katherine knows as far as I know
that's still a viable project but they haven't turned anything in okay thank you just curious sorry to pepper you this is the one I'm thinking about Jesse right um Arveilia that was a big project yeah um I have not heard anything back on that um oh here she comes watch out
news article i I just came across a couple news articles and uh residents and people walking by there the owner the owner was saying that he's not going to do anything at this point right now he's going to poll he's not going to do anything to the building apparently so I misspoke i was talking about our
villa not 124th cuz I'm not familiar with a fivestory project on 124th sits on a corner what the one Richard's referring to it's it was a Jack Boziac project well
from like two years ago cuz the the buildings did come down the uh chain link fence did go up with the screen around it and it's been sitting there i'll check with Jack next time I see him i haven't heard anything property sold it was listed for sale yeah most of
these properties have gone up for sale um our villa they may not be doing anything now we are working with the people that have these damaged hotels and everything to get fences up and to get those properties secured because we've got pools we've got you know
potential hazards okay okay i do have one thing what about the parking lot down there at the end of the highway with that we voted what's up with that that's what Jesse was just saying that they're going through an easement with the county yeah that's the sunshine lane sorry missed it and Jesse do you have a
number of uh variances in the queue at this point i know we're looking at one today but uh variances um there's maybe one more um a lot of the things that I have coming up are basically just going to be like actual
like site plan approvals okay and one special exception use as well are you seeing a lot of the lifted houses need variances for stairs for access um not yet um that's like one that I was mentioning that might be coming up besides that was the other one that we approved i believe that was last month
or Yeah month before off tarpon okay thank you and and most of those are going to be able to be approved administratively and not come here is that correct it depends on what level they go to um so that ordinance that we did pass 2024-27 that was Yeah like a lot of
those like the stairs electrical meter platform stuff like that can encroach in the setbacks but if they want to go beyond that we would have to stay within those bounds that were passed then it doesn't have to come here okay okay hearing procedures no you got anything you need to tell anybody yeah
I'm just going to go over the quasi judicial stuff since we have a pretty big audience okay uh the one agenda item the planning and zoning board is hearing today is a quasi judicial proceeding uh which means that it's kind of like a court proceeding with the applicant in the city as the parties and that any
decision the board makes needs to be supported by competent substantial evidence presented to the board during the hearing uh substantial and competent evidence is evidence that a reasonable line could use to accept a conclusion uh making its decision the board will rely solely upon the testimony and the
evidence presented at today's hearing uh any testimony given as a form of an opinion will not be relied upon unless given by a qualified witness uh the applicant city staff and any interested party will have the right to give testimony present evidence and any
witnesses uh all parties will be given an opportunity to ask questions of any witnesses and to rebut the testimony of any other party and that is all thank you okay um exparte communication disclosure anybody talk to anybody on this case
they shouldn't have no seeing none we'll move on our one case today 10A variance [Music] 000000499-2025 142 93rd Avenue variance request to section
68-541 to reduce the east setback from the minimum required 7 1/2 ft to 3' 10 in and the south set back from the required minimum 10t to 6'8 inches for
an approximate 222 square foot section of the proposed structure if the applicant u would approach the podium and present your case focusing on hardships of why we should uh grant this
variance hello thank you for having us here to uh entertain this uh variance if you could give your name and address and my name is Chat Rick Rick for short Clark and Michelle michelle Clark and the address
is 142 93rd Avenue and we're on Sunset which obviously had substantial damage we were one of those um we actually loved our house just like it was but unfortunately Penelis was not letting us repair that structure and it's been
flooded a number of times and we understood that at some point we were probably going to have to raise or build up um the house anyway um so we were planning for that just not so soon financially but it is what it is um the
other part to that is that um as we've owned this house it's become our primary residence um initially we had rented part of the year out but it's no longer um a rental and the house coming up will no longer be uh that won't ever be
rented it's our It's our long-term home so I just want to make sure that any neighbors that might comment understand that this is not a short-term rental property or a long-term rental property at all um so therefore when we're trying to rebuild this do we lose the
microphone oh when we're trying to rebuild uh we tried to initially go through um with the be able to stay on the same footprint but because we wanted to add another story to the one story uh that couldn't be done so we had to go
inside the setback and I has everybody been able to look at the variance paperwork that was already generated and sent out previously okay I don't want to spend a lot of time rehashing that but I think we presented through my attorney's help because they're sharper at the
ordinances than me um of describing why we believe this is a hardship and falling in with the terms of a hardship through the big thing with it is that we have the lot used to be a double lot our lot and the lot to the um east was one lot
which I think the current owner is here um to talk about so somewhere it was divided with the purpose of the new house on the on the waterway being the primary lot here leaving our lot with an irregular shape it's and so therefore
the setbacks are also in irregular shape more in the like a parallelogram which is an odd way to build a house so we feel like that if then and you can see through the red dotted line would be the setback if we put a rectangle or a
square inside the par parallelogram it's going to exceed somewhere on there and but the flip side is we also um if we tuck it into the corner like it is on the um the the the what is that west
northwest corner or I'm sorry is that the yeah northwest corner and we follow the a square or rectangle either one at some point we're going to exceed the setback with the parallelogram but we if we built the house inside of that space
it would almost be a smaller footprint than we currently have so that is one uh hardship we feel the second component to that is that um we would if we put everything inside that parallelogram
there would be all four sides where we could not use the we we couldn't get the full footprint so we'd be penalized compared to our neighbors who can use all their entire uh footprint of inside the setback we can't if we did it so
even now when we're asking for the variance we're asking forward overhangs on the front right corner but on the back and on the left you can see there's still space we can't use so we're basically giving up we're asking for the variance of square footage ends up being
about 168 square ft not including the stairs which I guess now that ordinance for exterior stairs is is um is allowable so if you take that part out it's 168 square feet as measured by my um architect we're probably giving up
the same thing on the front and the on the left side and the back side so all things being equal it seems like that we're not really impeding too much on the back we're not affecting that neighbor at all to the left we're
not affecting that neighbor to the right and to the front we're affecting the street more than we are the neighbor and to that point there are more houses on our street that already don't sit back 10 ft with their driveway or their house
the majority of houses on the street are closer than that and that was something my attorney had looked up when we when we replied to the variance list and that's also true on 92nd and um 94th i've gone up and down there's just a lot
of houses that don't comply anymore than what we're asking we're actually better um and on to our neighbor to the right um that's the side of her garage and the driveway so I feel like we're not really I mean she could speak for her own mind about the house but I feel
like we're not really imposing on her living space or her view to the waterfront or anything like that you know at least from the perspective of this side of the house um so that's that's really how how we came to the conclusion of trying to get
this house to to work on this lot the other side on on the right side where we are hanging over is um uh a deck and on the one side so if we move that deck in it's kind of a it's not very usable and
if we squeeze the rooms in for that side that is um because the stairs are on the other way we're squeezing down towards the stairs the the family room kitchen the the bedroom above get so small the bedroom above the master it would only fit a queen-sized bed so um I just feel
like we're kind of hitting on all those for a hardship as compared to what we already have is actually a little more room than I think the footprint difference between what we currently have and the largest living space floor
is about 150 square feet um I think you're gonna say something too Michelle well I I'm sure all you guys have like you said have looked over the information did you understand what he was trying to to explain does it make sense to you
because for me I get in the weeds with all these measurements but basically it's my understanding that what we're really saying or what the situation is is that because we don't h our lot is an odd shape unless we get a variance we
don't have the opportunity to use the allowable square footage that our neighbors who all have square squared lots get to use so I do feel that is a hardship you know this was lot was divided years and years ago and a lot
has changed um and I guess if I'm understanding you correctly even though we'd be moving up in the right hand what we're also moving back so I mean we're
leaving it's kind of one half dozen the other but um the other thing that I know that I kind of prepared some notes i mean I know you guys all know that it's all this is pretty emotional and so I
apologize i'm gonna have to read a little bit because I'm nervous um I Rick is um a former Navy Seal um he is a medically retired veteran he's 100% total and permanent
disability meaning it will never get better it's only going to get worse um he's had over 30 surgeries part of what we have in our plan is an elevator we're not doing this to haul groceries although that would be helpful but there's a real possibility
that I mean even now it you know stairs are hard for Rick and he needs an elevator especially as he continues to age um again the elevator since we're having to go up versus living on the ground
um it has to be added it takes up square footage in our house as well so that's also kind of an an unforeseen hardship i feel like we're encountering and trying to build this house um like Rick talked about
um if we don't get this variance he won't be able to get out into the deck and use it if he ever has to use a walker or a wheelchair he won't be able to go outside um Summerly our bedroom which is above that corner couldn't have a king-size bed
which he's a big guy and also with all his pain he's in he moves around a lot at night there's just a lot of things and um if we put a king-size bed in there we literally cannot have bedside tables and so again I feel like you know
we're not asking for a huge house we just want to be able to have bedside tables um and then the other thing I just wanted to say about this situation is that
[Music] um hold on a minute oh is that I know there's a lot of people in this community who are in the same spot we are or worse and um you know we love Treasure Island and our intention is to build a a beautiful house that will
bring added value right now our neighbors next to us they scrape their h I mean I don't have to tell you guys there's so many empty lots sitting with shells of houses or it's been scraped and they're for sale you've got two people standing here who are ready to
build and like Rick said this was not in our financial plan so we're going to have to take out of our retirement that we've been working for for years to build this house and so it's really important to us that it accommodates um Rick's disabilities
um and you know really like we were saying with the plan it really only affects our neighbor here and I just want her to know that we are planning on building or putting in you know vegetation between the two houses so that there is privacy but like Rick said
it is the garage side of the house and the it's not the front door it's not the ocean view so I know it will you know obviously it affects her but we want to we don't want to fight with our neighbors we want to have a good relationship we want them to be to be
happy with with our house and um you know I think it's going to be a a benefit to the street in general thank you okay thank you very much for your presentation any questions from the
board for the applicant Marvin um how much time were you spending in the house your house currently when you were I guess you were doing going part-time back and forth or uh me more than her because I was retired before her so she
I I'm there about 8 to nine months okay and three years each and how many bedrooms and bathrooms does it have now three bedrooms and two full baths and we had already um just for me getting
around or in the future we had already widened into a barn door from the bedroom to the bathroom and also opened up into the kitchen so I had a bigger walkway into the galley kitchen um just you know trying to plan for long term right okay
any other questions of the applicant seeing none please have a seat and we'll have the U city go ahead Jesse with your presentation all right all right so this is just a reminder so this is case number B-0000499-2025 and this is located 142
93rd Avenue as you can see the staff provided their analysis starting on page seven of the staff report one through 8 and pretty much staff came to staff's
recommendation is denial to a variance request to section 68-541 to reduce the east side setback from the required minimum 7 1/2 ft to 3t 10 in and the south front setback from the required minimum 10 ft to 6'8 in for
an approximate 222 square ft section of the proposed structure based on analysis of the criteria in section 70-221 and above finding that they have not been substantially satisfied and that unnecessary hardship does not exist staff's recommendation is based on the
criteria set forth in section 70-221 and the following section 68-512 um I did have also ju just to support like staff's recommendations well too uh section 68-512 does grandfather in the
same square footage which was originally 1,65 square feet and the proposed structure has increase that square footage to 1,498 square ft i'm sorry can you repeat that last part just that the number the exact difference square footage yeah uh yeah so on the as you
can see here the existing footprint is 106 maybe you can put the microphone a little closer i can't hear you just thought that thing was pretty loud but all right all right so the original square footage is 1,68 ft and they will be increasing the square footage to
1,498 ft okay and the degree of the nonconformity as you can see on the site plan as well too uh it's pretty much just relocating it from the northwest section on the lot to the southeast section of the lot uh also if the applicant does of course we do want to
encourage um disaster resistant construction uh and because of that we did pass that ordinance 2024-27 which permits stairs to elevated structures to encroach to the setback so they would not need a variance for that as we talked about previously and the applicant has not
really officially demonstrated a hardship and they would still have reasonable use of the land and this is a self-created hardship based on their construction plans and there is no requirement that the home be squared off on this lot is that
right i mean that there's no city requirement for squaring it to the street ju just now it's just just has to meet setbacks you know okay stairs encroaching on a setback the ordinance that we had passed was for homes that are being lifted it was very clear that
it wasn't for brand new construction homes elevated or new construction um I can double check that real quick if you That is correct for houses that are being jacked up correct not brand new construction it uh I just want to make sure that was clear because I know that we had talked about it in the beginning
the applicant had made a comment about it that would not apply here because this is a brand new build stairs cannot go over a Okay give me not with an administrative approval now because correct without
correct that is just to accommodate I think there's what I've seen four houses in Treasure Island being jacked up right now there might be more and some may not need it but anyway carry on Jesse if he's going to prove you're wrong huh he's going to try to prove you're wrong
no no i just want to track my statement if I was incorrect on that one i just know that I'm right provide for I hope you're right Jesse just so you know it's impossible i'm for you i think there is allowance though for for ex uh
stair structures for just for access to the electric that's not included in that change at all not not on new construction builds whatsoever yep if you are building a brand new house in Treasure Island you got to meet it all the way around all your stairs everything has to be inside the setback
yep rash you stand corrected i was wrong i tracked my statement that is for actually yeah only existing structures that are being elevated jesse on the 100 on the,65 to 1498 is that the footprint or is that that's the livable square feet the livable square feet or heated
square feet right so that's the existing footprint the 165 square foot is that what you said is that a is that the living square footage no if you look at the plans that are in the packet this house is not 1,600 square
feet it would be in if we're talking we're talking about the existing structure the existing structure yeah based on the existing structure was a thou what 1,68,65 that was the heated square footage for
the existing structure what's the 1498 that you the number you gave garage area oh that okay that includes everything garage you're gonna have to approach the uh podium and speak so we can all hear you
the the garage was converted before I purchased it and it's uh it is in the livable space so it's more it's almost uh 11 it's almost 1,00 J to answer your question the newly built living square footage is
259 square feet okay thank It's on page 30 of the packet okay so significantly more than the existing yeah okay okay any other questions for the uh city staff seeing none we're going to uh go
to public comment first card we have and we have two is Jenny Gwen Gun can't read your writing good afternoon i'm Jenny Gun see you and and um I am the neighbor just to the east at
14893rd so where that encroachment significantly impacts me and I'm not sure if I can show pictures but I do have pictures this is one of those very narrow sunset streets this is more the size of a one-way street garbage trucks cannot get down this street you cannot
do a three-point turn and currently most of the houses I would say are actually destroyed or going to be destroyed so they're not encroaching on that street at all um and you can see in the picture here where he is saying this encroachment is going to go it does block my front door it does block my
view but most significantly it impacts safety you would not be able to see to get out of my driveway if this house is pushed out that much further the square footage increases in a 50% increase in the footprint alone and over a,000
square feet in living space he can set this back 222 square feet be within the variances and not cause these kinds you can see here not cause these kinds of safety and other concerns this is unfortunately the first time I've met Chrick and his wife this
isn't how you want to meet your neighbors but here we are so I'm asking to agree with the city to deny this variance and I'm sorry would you mind just saying again where your house is located
on the water on the water there is is that um souththeast corner where they want the 3 foot 10 inch variance I believe that is and so you can see that's exactly where my driveway is i would not have a view to the street there's a pedestrian pathway that is
right there the the clearing in the middle of those two houses that's a pedestrian walkway so there's a heavy foot traffic on that street as it is okay thank you that's blinds pass in the background yeah I get it now all right but your uh challenge sometimes sorry
your driveway does not encroach in any way on the applicant's property okay just want to clarify that okay thank you we have a second
card uh Allan Bills that should one second we got to have the uh not 20,000 the footprint it's the square footage but it's above can you please sit down and have Allan Bills and you can address their comments next go ahead Mr bills
not meaning to be rude to you but we do have a format which we have to follow and now it's time for public comment and and we will have time for rebuttal and we thank the chair for following the rules uh I would say that every lot on these
streets is a parallelogram i bought it 29 years ago i'm My address is 13194th Avenue we tore down a 750 foot house on a par parallelogram we built a 1,000 foot
house on a parallelogram uh there's one spot that hits both setbacks but that's the only spot that hits both setbacks i have 6 ft extra setback in the back so I can build an elevator someday if I if I would ever need it i also have a
king-size bed and we don't have room for uh end tables because the lot's not that wide you got to do your due diligence when you buy your lot if you don't if you want a bigger lot maybe Sunset Beach isn't the place for you maybe go Paradise Island or Isisle of Palms the
lots are a lot bigger uh glad to hear that there's not going to be any more short-term rentals because that's all that's been there so that is great i feel bad for you guys that you have to hear this case about this self-created hardship and we should get
rid of all of our setbacks because somebody says "I live on a parallelogram and I want to maximize my square feet." That's not what the the variance process is for and I agree with the city and I hope you vote this down sir what was your address again you said it too quick
in the beginning 13194 thank you okay now is time for um rebuttal for the applicant so uh whatever you said previously go for it um I just want to say that I don't you know I don't think
that or self-created hardship because I mean I don't think anybody thinks that what they're going through because of the hurricane is a self-created hardship i also don't think it's a self-created hardship that Rick is 100% permanently disabled um we bought a ranch for a
reason but now we cannot have a ranch literally we're being told we can't have a ranch so um I I I I don't think those are self-inflicted as far as our neighbor who's most affected by this um and I
just want to and I'll let you guys talk about this but it was my understanding that we're talking about a total variance of about 168 square ft so we're not talking about a huge whether we have the variance or not the house is going up
the house is going to be two stories we're not talking about a lot of of variance here um and on that corner where we're asking to move it forward that is actually going to be a deck it's so I mean as far as site driveway site
um it's not going to block anybody's view to the street because it's the deck that we want to make bigger so that he can get out and and move around in on the deck um so anyway I'm just not sure if it's from the plans but it is really I mean
obviously we're shifting the house but that whole corner is is a deck and again we're just trying to create some outdoor space um we can't have outdoor space on the ground level anymore it's It's four
stories you said two it's It's four living space living space okay but it's still four stories still just a crow's nest up there so that that will stay there's still a fourth floor yeah that stays inside the No I understand i have the I have the plans envelope yeah so
anyway the the only like today you have today you have a one-story home correct correct this is proposed four stories correct okay thank you yeah so the square footage on the footprint is is actually from from my uh understanding
with county records it's it's more than that but of the living space which I said before in the rebuttal but we see I mean I can see the the outer lay of of what it is but then you also have to multiply that times three that doesn't get into the footprint anymore except that corner which we're asking for the
variance the footprint doesn't change so when people are talking about 2,000 footprint that's not the footprint the footprint is actually footprint inside the property i'm actually a builder too so um I I understand the difference and the corner where the neighbor behind us is talking about and uh rambling on
about how he stayed inside his variant or his setbacks he also got a variance for a garage height so I mean it's interesting that it's okay for you to get a variance but not me but it's not important the main importance is on that corner that he's closest to we're
actually moving the house forward and giving him more setback space between our house and his house so that's just a beef and talking about when we rented and not rented is a beef that's been going on for a few years but regardless the end of the day we're barely changing
the footprint from if if you include the house but you also have the covered patio that's inside the setback now on that side so can I have a question um on page 21 of the packet you guys included some photos of some builtup houses um
the yellow house do you have the address for that as well as the blue house uh I don't know if it was in the picture but it's at the end of 93rd at the end it's almost at the corner that was my Can you pull that up yep i wanted to look at uh what their square
footages were my last point to the rebuttal was just that almost every driveway on our block the majority and some have been torn down their driveway or their front door is far closer than 10 ft far closer than 10 ft we're not we're still going the
front door we have now is is back blank 20 so we're going to come up regardless of whether you don't allow this variance and we build inside it we're still coming forward to that red dotted line so um the whether people are upset about
that or not that still can happen without us asking for any variance so we're really not asking for a lot in the front it's only on a corner so that was all my my thing is that it really we're asking for the corner of that lot to be a variance if it's not we're still going
to try to comply and build something similar inside that it just means that all four sides then we have sp space we cannot use that everybody else can use that's the bottom line thank you very much thank you thank you okay uh we've
um had two public comments no uh cards anybody else in the audience want to speak in regard to this seeing none we Sure since uh the applicant had a chance to rebuttal you should see if staff also needs to rebuttal you need have any further comments Jesse uh actually no
i'm good i did have a question for staff if we have a chance for that go ahead okay just want to make the right time so Jesse I'm interested the existing footprint of this home is nonconforming and do we know the square
footage of the amount that it's nonconforming currently they did break that down on the site plan give me one second i'll bring that back up that's all that area on the left and top correct primarily that's non-conforming
right now so yeah so as you can see they put that the existing footprint within basically encroaching the setbacks 182.36 square ft is non-conforming at the moment okay how much Jesse i'm sorry i just wanted that for the record I guess how much was it
182.36 square ft oh I see that now okay yeah that's quite clear okay thank you mhm okay with that any other comments questions we'll close the public hearing uh a little bit of discussion uh and I'll probably have
some more questions for you Jesse but just looking at the aerial photographs uh the house to the north they're non-conforming i don't think like the applicant and everybody else was saying this area is the worst
part of uh Treasure Island as far as design standards i mean the area between 88th Avenue and 95th Avenue it's inverted crown roadways very small lots it's just a tough area to do anything with um if you look at
page the final pl the uh recorded plat and I will get to it it's like page 35 and you can tell I actually Googled the shape of this lot it's some form of trapezoid
um and what I want to do is I want to discuss they're all kind of parallelograms AC across that street is that right or no not really i mean look at that the sides are all different but anyway regardless it doesn't really matter okay what I want to do today is I want to discuss there's two variances
here i want to discuss them both and I'm going to start off with the uh the eastern side you know if you look on page 30 of the packet I think that is the best uh representation because it shows at the
north corner they're almost compliant almost on the south corner of course that's where the worst situation is so the shape of the lot does make it difficult to build a uh rectangular house there's no doubt about
that and like you were saying before Chris there's no requirement that it has to be a uh a rectangular house well no i I was really I wanted to make sure that you could that it was legal and there was nothing against it not being square to the street not whether or not the
shape of the house no uh that I understand but none at all just look at my next door neighbor's house think about it like a Think about like a Sorry to interrupt you think about like a corner lot like on a canal when it comes to the front yeah a lot of times they make them pop big pies yeah you're right yeah um so I was just looking again at
that yellow house um and I pulled the stats on it and um they sit on a 60x 42 foot lot um and you guys currently sit on a 61x 54t lot um just to kind of throw in looking at
your plans versus this particular property what's the square footage that you uh 824 ft each level each level okay so 16 but the point I was making is obviously the shape of the lot is a I'm
not going to call it a hardship i'm going to call it a difficulty it challenges this house i don't have a major objection to the uh eastern variance you know the eastern variance uh we are not discussing the uh southern
variance yet but uh that is not too obtrusive looking at page 30 of the plans it does give the man the the applicant the ability of putting two cards in there um and by the
time he gets to his north side he is almost in compliance with the setbacks situation is in order to facilitate the construction of a nice new house i don't have any real problems with the eastern variance on the other
hand and we will if there's no further discussion of the eastern variance we can start talking about the southern variants any comments or questions about the eastern variants i'm good with that i'm good okay the southern variants I do have a problem with
because uh I have been in uh this area since 1979 and those streets from 88th to 95th are narrow poorly designed i mean the the
drainage runs right down the middle street nobody designs subdivisions that way the plat was 1933 okay things were different back then but as far as building this house even closer to the road when I know that
the garbage guys have to back their trucks down that roadway to even get down there um situation being is we had a fire on 95th at I believe the address was 136 we had another fire on uh 90th
at 1:30 and provided if if the fire really got cooking the way those two houses did it would burn up houses on each side and across the street but uh the front setback exacerbates this problem so I personally am in a
situation where I don't have a problem with the east set back i have a problem with the north with the south setback just because it the house can be built without it you just won't have as big a house and uh not being able to uh build
the house size that you want is not a hardship um you know I sympathize with the situation but one thing we've run into on this board many times is you know the uh size of your lots so you
know what you bought and uh while I sympathize and I have been up and down this street many times um we need to have something here with a new construction that will not make things
worse on 93rd Avenue and right now they it is a difficult maneuvering area the uh during the fire on uh 95th uh they actually ended up putting out the fire from the uh Sea Dogs parking lot because they had a hard time getting fire trucks
down the road so that's my uh comment on the south setback that's my comment on the east setback i'd like to split this thing into two make two separate motions can we just talk about that a little bit go ahead sure go ahead that's where we're next comments in regards to the
east setback because the way I look at it was when you look at any property within Treasure Island there's a property line some of them do have angles i mean you could have I don't know the shape of it but let's just say you have a flat line on one side and you have an angled line on the other side and when someone's coming to you know
build a house or renovate house do an addition whatever if that setback is at an angle they have to step it in along the setback i mean that I think that's basic so let's just say okay you do this variance for this east side and grant
I'm all about variances i try to approve them as many times as I possibly can but there is something when it comes to in the future okay well if someone has a slight line going down the property side and they're like well I don't want to step in my masonry or you my side wall i
want to just build it over the setback then do they just come in for a variance and and that's allowed i I've always been told when that angle is there you know come down step in come down step in come in i mean like I feel like that's what I had to do on my last project um
if I would have got a variance to just go right over the setback that would have been that would have been great i mean that's Well you have to admit Russ I mean the shape of the lot i mean look how that uh uh setback line is angled I relationship but I'm just saying yeah
there are ways you could do it but I'm just saying this is one of the few cases we've had and believe me I looked at this one a lot i did too uh where the eastern property line causes a problem and uh you know the setback line does
not parallel the uh property line so then some of the feedback that we have given in the past in regards to setbacks and variances is when it comes variances in general let's just say is that when you buy a piece of property you need to know what the setbacks are and if there's any variances attached to your
land or your neighboring land i feel like we've made that comment numerous times and I agree with that that's where I that's where I struggle with this as much as I want to prove but I think the difference here is it's a house that someone already owned and they're they are forced into rebuilding
that's the only exception you know that's a difference from someone just buying the lot and not buy or beware I guess and that's it i I do have a question actually for y'all um I saw that you were uh damaged by a previous hurricane as well through your through permitting when I was looking at things
a few years ago with Adalia um and you chose not to rebuild then um were you substantially damaged this time like fully like per the letters they sent out okay and have you thought about potentially just making your house a little smaller
if you're going to uh answer the questions you got to come to the podium we just cannot learn but yeah like we're all being broadcast we're being uh just from seeing um potentially you know the other houses that have the same similar
lot size they've just created a smaller house up sure and I feel like that is something that could definitely be accomplished here um wouldn't accommodate a wheelchair but an elevator will no I'm moving around in the I see
both plans and what you're saying she's we looked at um bringing that inside the similar house inside the the this lot and it it does shrink down um I mean it chops every Have you Have you knocked on any of your
neighbors doors that have houses of the same lot size that have built up just to see and walk through them to see if it's potentially possible because every architect and engineer that I know can work around um those sure we can work around and and
that's true we can and if we don't get granted the variance then we will work around it but in taking something similar because the lot is this way and not this way so you know the front is longer than the side so and fitting inside that our current house gives us
bigger bedrooms on that footprint than we would have if we go inside um inside the setbacks and because then trying to keep a rectangle or a square inside there we're giving up usable space so we're
actually losing space but all the rooms and we the bedrooms we have now would be bigger than the bedrooms we could have on that on the second floor of that house it's a three-bedroom house is what we're proposing with two floors because more living space on the on the on the
main floor but the bedrooms would actually be smaller to go inside that than we currently have and that's what we're saying that all the bedrooms would be 11 by 11 and 1/2 by 11 and 1/2 something along those lines um you know than the bathroom and and laundry so can you do it yeah I mean I've been a
builder a long time i can do anything i tell every customer that I can do anything with the right money or plan so but it does with the just three bedrooms on that square footage with elevator and a stair stairwell and bathrooms shrinks down those bedrooms smaller than what we
currently have i I just had a question about the east west um alignment or you know setting you were non-conforming to the west already by several feet and did was
it consider did you consider shifting the house to the left to stay within the nonconforming area so that you didn't hit the east just moving the current house the entire house yeah that house I'm a like I said I've been a builder a
long time i don't think we can move that house very safely no no I don't no I'm sorry i meant your new construction the location on the lot to be shifted a few feet to the left so that you'd be staying within your
current nonconforming footprint and you would not be hitting then the right side setback issue setback i just wondered if you considered that that we can't put a second story on the non-conforming lot
we can't increase the square footage on a non-conforming Okay yeah that's not exactly tried first yeah that was our first attempt but you really have four bedrooms in in this new plan right three upstairs and one downstairs downstairs is office yeah
it says bedroom i mean it's got a closet and everything else if it's got a closet it's considered a bedroom per building code well there's Correct me if I'm seeing this wrong but uh there's only two on the third floor where are you getting
the fourth one Marvin oh primary my mistake because it says two and three and I was No the primary because you got a primary bedroom correct primary three on the main floor and then one on the floor below it's interesting because mine is labeled as a bath number
three you know I really think if you if you get the right architect it's amazing what can be done i agree maybe you don't have the right architect if he did this house already shrunk down but then we're losing to make it fit inside here
no I get it i get it but I'm telling you there's some incredible architects out there that can figure it out and maybe you maybe you lose a bedroom because right now you got one more bedroom than or you move to a Jack and Jill bathroom right i mean there's there's I I mean I
know you want the space i get it we're asking if you give it to give it to us if you don't we'll figure it out that's I get that i mean I know why you want it i'd want the same thing but but it's the the square footage the footprints is is very little difference we're giving up we're asking for 168 we're losing
probably 168 the other house had probably almost a 1,200 since we're using the ground but the problem is we don't have more than 12,200 going moving that front set back three feet that's a problem because even though you say that all these houses on the street are they're already encroaching a lot of
them are going to get knocked down if not now soon because I looked at the neighborhood i mean a lot of those houses need to go so eventually you want new construction starting on the right foot so we got to leave that 10-ft setback in my opinion i'd really like um to see y'all visit some of the neighbors
that have the smaller houses with similar lots because I and and I agree with you on an architectural standpoint it's possible um they can they can finagle it and and figure it out for you for sure you get the right one if I'm wrong on that those pictures of like the
yellow house and the blue house aren't those encroach I mean are those 10 feet back from the front oh I'm sure that there are dozens of places on those streets that What it's showing though is the square footage of the lot versus the square footage of the house you want versus what they have you're always
going to have a lot of non-conforming homes just like your current home that house was built that yellow house was built in 2005 so that was way before things have changed well the point I would still like to make is the eastern setback as you can see what's up there right now that's deck
and while it does It's a hardship for the shape of this lot so I don't have any problem with on on the third floor a good part of it is deck the the bathroom deck you know the bathroom on the third floor is is uh
there's a deck gets into it but um you know once again I really don't object to the uh eastern setback it's the southern setback you just cannot make things worse than uh they currently are and to that point that's where I was
trying to get with this whole east west or left right on this lot that if you were accepting of the eastern setback variance why not shift it to the left where you're just keeping it within
the where it was already nonconforming as opposed to shifting the and giving the variance on the right well then you're still going through the same process it's a variance process but the difference The difference is that it was already a nonconforming part of the lot
it it gets in the set back on the west side instead of the east side right and uh 61 half i'm not saying I agree with doing that i'm just indicating it's one idea and that makes no difference to me okay all right you know it really doesn't i just uh we'll agree with what
I mean we'll do whatever you all grant us or don't know if I'm one side or not either side we we'll make it work but we were just hoping that we were asking and giving a logical explanation why we were asking for this as compared to what's already the square footage used on the lot right now w with our footprint it's
very very similar square footage and it's just odd to fit it into that th those parameters and so whatever you grant we'll work with where obviously we appreciate you bringing it in front of us because that's what we're here for yep yeah I do agree for with you you know it is a odd shaped lot this is
where the planning and zoning board earns their volunteer hours because if we just want to say "Hey we're going to follow the rule books we'll deny you right off the bat no matter what." I'm looking at it and I'm saying that on the east side is not too obtrusive that
would help your uh final situation out if you got one out of two variances and quite frankly and I don't know how much more we wanted to discuss this but I support the eastern variance i do not support the southern variance and uh you
know the way it's written it's written all as one variance and maybe you can't do one without the other but the thing is when we make a motion here whoever makes the motion I like I'd like to see two separate motions
I disagree with separating them why um because I'd like to see new plans um I also think it encroaches I mean that leaves on the east side doesn't that leave like 3 ft yep 44 between those houses well in that very corner not
between the houses no 3t 3t to the 3T 10 in to the uh property line sorry 3t to the adjacent my eye showed 44 see how good I am i guess the question is legally can we split these
up yes we Mr attorney yes we can yeah yeah it's changing it from 7 and 12 ft to 3 ft 10 in nearly four now Richard I was thinking the same thing before I walked in here exactly what you were thinking but then Ross brings up a good point anytime somebody
wants their They don't like the side setbacks they And we've already determined too that Sunset Beach that whole area over there is And Marvin that's all different shapes we have a board so we can think about these things i mean we've heard hundreds of uh not
hundreds we've heard a lot of variances over the years and by and large every one of them is denied everyone if for especially for new construction because I've always said this and I know y'all have heard me say it in the past do not try to uh modify the lot to to
fit the building you want modify your building to make it fit the lot you know and this is new construction the one thing and initially that was going to be my reaction then I started looking at it more and I said you know that's Southeast
corner and you look on page third 29 29 i mean the man just wants to park two cars in his garage and I don't think it's that bad but you know as far as let's put this way I know in this area that garbage trucks have
uh tried to turn around hit buildings all just all kinds of problems in this area so once again I'd like to split them go with the uh one motion on the eastern and maybe that would help the applicant a little bit noah if I were to
re make a motion and split it do I have to like difference the case number or would I have to The case number would be the same i think the way we would do this is you can see in the I'll read the contents i'll read the context on which side yeah have that as one motion where you're approving with conditions that
one and have another one denying the part that you guys would not want to include in your motion i would only be supportive if on this east west variance um if the home is shifted
left so that it remains in the on the west side in the nonconforming area and then on the east side you've eliminated the need for the variance it's essentially the same thing i'm just shifting the house in order
you're getting a variance on the other side yeah basically I'm giving the variance on the west side which I'm wrong but if we did that he'd have to come back with a revised variance request that's okay part of the condition we have is that it would be consistent with the plans prepared by
their architect group and the plans currently account for the one they presented to us so yeah I think we would need to they'd have to come back in with a revision and the reason for that is that I'd be supportive only if it is it allows that shift and this is for the benefit of the neighbors around that
that you know we're trying to give some benefit to the fact that this was a that the storm caused this as far as having to do the rebuild you're a resident today we've in many cases said that things can so long as you're not making it any non
less conforming if on in certain c in certain cases and I think that's the case as far as the west side of this that there's room to do it if you stay if you essentially take advantage of that nonconforming that non-conforming area
um but that's the only way I would be supportive so you're looking at it hold on a second i'm sorry i'm not trying to be difficult cuz you guys know where my position but even if you shifted this to the west it would still have a situation where the building structure goes over the setback on on the on the east side
on the west side it would on the west side but it would be an area that's already saying you're just saying not as much i mean if I look at that it says it's 9T 10 in on the left and 5 foot 7 4t 8 76 i mean there's a
lot of space on that west side of the house r Rick just so you know we're discussing up here we're trying to help okay i was going to just say that we actually started that way so we have the plan from originally when this exactly okay but because it's new construction
Richard you'd be building a new house on non-conforming and the whole point of that is you're supposed to build it within the setback so then you set So then you set the precedent that if someone has a non-conforming lot they could potentially do the same thing
well I guess the subdivision is non-conforming but the thing is on page 27 that's why it's a variance we do not have a setback distance from the uh in the northwest corner of the house and it would be I mean regardless you're going
to have an encroachment there too i I know the uh the lot line jogs slightly and I couldn't even tell you how much it does because I couldn't find that on the survey um but any thing to me it's okay you're
closer to the house on the left you know to the west than you are closer to the house to the east for sure i was just and goes back to a little bit about setting precedent with regard to all of this and whether we're accounting for nonconforming areas now or not if that's
to be considered or not and if it isn't you know that's a that's a board decision yeah I appreciate the idea doesn't count because every case I mean you know it doesn't matter how many times we approve something like this I can turn around deny the next one we
have done that on this board and uh but I think we are trying to at least do some level of accommodation due to the storm and within reason I I potentially would like them to come back with a smaller footprint I'd like well then they don't need a variance right and you
know let's put it this way if I'd rather I want and give them the eastern variance It doesn't mean they're going to be happy with that i know uh the applicant has said "Yeah let's uh we'll we'll make it work." Well in my
opinion due to the shape of the lot which is I'm going to go ahead and say it that makes it a hardship i mean that is what uh we're here for to take into account misshapen lots god knows I live in the most misshapen lot in all of Treasure Island me and my next door
neighbor cuz it's a total mess but it's a lot bigger than this area and we were able to build it within the limits of the setback but uh you know I just think uh due to what everything we've gone through and the fact that it's not going to set a precedent that we work with the
guy a little bit and uh Ross if you want to how about uh let's just get this thing to a vote and uh make a motion for the two uh two various the two setbacks if you just before we get a motion I just want to point out there's a typo in the proposed
motion where it says extreme hardship it should be unnecessary hardship extreme hardship is for the marine structure variances so that was included by staff by mistake unnecessary say the word again instead of extreme unnecessary
oh right yeah just unnecessary instead of So here's my question if we split it up and then they go back to the drawing board and then they bring us something that isn't going to work again they've wasted time money and everything um and then they may have to come back again
well the thing is they know what the parameters are they can have if we approve it and I'm not saying that we're going to they know that they can no longer encroach into the front setback i'm definitely against that but as far as that m what I consider a fairly minor
encroachment on the east side they know the parameters with that too the architect who I have not worked with before but uh he'll know the difference they won't need to come back any other discussion nope go ahead Ross um all right i'll
make a motion uh case number V-00499-2025 location 14293 or 93rd Avenue Treasure Island Florida in regards to the variance request section 68541 to reduce the east side setback
required minimum from 7 and 1/2 to 3 ft 10 in uh as a planning and zoning board member um I'm going to determine and make the motion that an unnecessary hardship does not exist pursuant to SEC 70-221 of the treasur code of ordinances
and has and and making a motion to deny Okay can you clarify that one again you got you got me on did you uh thought you were going the other way oh I'm sorry my bad sorry want to amend your motion yeah I'd like to
make amend my motion i'll read it again that an unnecessary hardship does not exist does ex does exist it does exist does exist okay i'm thinking I wrote down necessary that's my bad so unnecessary hardship does exist exist
pursuant to SEC 70-221 of the Treasure Island Code of Ordinances and move to approve you move to approve the approval of the eastern one yeah I help you out here from the required 7 and 1/2 ft to 3' 10
in and just leave it at that that's number one there's also a proposed condition in the proposed order um that it is actually Yeah do you want your Let's get this straight for everybody i am making the motion because I'm
saying an unnecessary hardship does not or does not exist what do you want us to do which way you want i do not think that the east side setback should be granted okay okay then you're in your original motion in your original motion then my original motion is correct we just thought you were going We thought you were going the other way okay i was
trying to we we thought that you were making a motion to approve the eastern one and deny the gonna deny the southern one okay so I didn't mean to throw everybody off and like I said I'm all about variances i do try to make everything work and I love this city more than anything and I would love for you to build it but it goes back to what
I was saying before about precedent jogging lot lines different architecture like you guys commented I was in the same type of situation when I did mine i'm not trying to make it about me or my house but my architect basically stepped the project project in on the one property line that had an angle to it so
and that that's where I sat so you want to move to deny the variance request for as written correct then just read it that way y the way I read it the first time except say deny instead of approve okay say deny instead of approve
correct when you read it again you said you were going to approve it you want to say you're going to want to deny the variance request for that so do your motion again someone else just do the motion okay i mean this is this is insane i'll do it if you if I'll make the motion because I am happy to do it go ahead we just unbelievable by the way
uh case number variant 00499-2025 location at 142 93rd Avenue Treasure Island Florida 33706 the planning and zoning board has determined that an unnecessary hardship does not exist pursuant to section 702 sorry -221 of the Treasure Island code
of ordinances and has moved to deny a variance request to section 68541 to reduce the east side segment setback from the required minimum 7 and 1/2 ft to 3 ft 10 in and the south front setback just one oh sorry she can do both if she wants yeah but I I still
want to do it separately she's a board member she can make the move okay go ahead and object 7 and 1/2 ft to 3 feet 10 in and that's it you going to leave it at that sure okay so this is just the All
right we're only going to vote be voting a deny a yes vote is to deny that's always something we need to clarify who's going to second i'll second okay motion by Cara Sims uh second by Ross Sanchez could we have a roll call to you
cara Sim i ross Sanchez yes gary Patenziano holding a minute i'm just holding pass me for a second okay chris Sounding i marvin Shavelin yes richard Harris no
gary Pateniano no oh well that is defeated 4 to2 um the second uh motion whoever wants to do that one that one uh we know it's process so go ahead and
make the motion please the planning and the case number varian 00499-2025 location at 142 93rd Avenue Treasure Island Florida 33706 the planning and zoning board has determined that an unnecessary hardship does not exist persuant to section
70-20221 of the Treasure Island code of ordinances and has moved to deny a variance request to section 68-541 of the southside southback from the required minimum 10 ft to 6 feet 10 8 in for an
approximate well that's changed too so there you go okay mo uh motion by Cara Sims uh second by Chris Downing i'm just making a comment you know of the board members
here today i'm the only one who lives in this area Sunset Beach i totally disagree with this but it is a board decision not mine so go ahead with the roll call vote please carrie Sim I christopher Downey I gary Pateniano I
ross Sanchez yes marvin Shavelin yes richard Harris yes okay we'll move on here the uh next I can make sure that I have this right so I'm just make sure I have this
down so whenever I type up this development order um so I'm striking out of course fixing the corrections where it's going to state unnecessary hardship and then we're splitting these up into one and two variances the first one for the east side setback and the second one for the southside setback correct
correct and they've both been denied both been denied first one 4 to2 second one 6 all right thank you okay public comments for non-aggenda items anybody have any comments go ahead Alan well thank you for your vote i totally
agree with it uh one thing was said that I got a variance for height as you all know there are no such things as height variances uh you know the most difficult thing about making this meeting today was there's absolutely no parking out there what do we do about the parking well I
think there's some sort of public safety event because Yeah allow allowed growth and density in downtown you'll get some parking i got a friend that's got an office i parked by the hardware store and walked over here i was glad I made it in time it's not a hardware store anymore is this our new city attorney or
is are you a fill in i I'm a fill in i work with Jennifer well nice to meet you likewise all right reports and comments of city attorney staff and board members seeing none we have nothing uh next uh planning and zoning board meeting will
be the second uh in in May let's see here that makes it the 8th jesse it was my understanding that we were going to get some downtown uh a downtown case is that going to make it
next month i'm trying comments were sent out to the applicant so if we you were discussing Pirate Square correct the parking lot yeah yeah um so comments were sent out I would say maybe about a week and a half two weeks ago possibly so if they get things corrected in time
possibly next next month okay well I would like like we always do to have the LPA meeting uh following the P&Z meeting and you know the whatever we have for LPA and uh any other comments
from anybody i just had a question for the staff or you know for the city if someone comes for a variance they had to pay the fees to bring their variance request to us and if it's turned down if they're coming back for another one they have to go through the entire process
there if for the same plot or property and project they're they can't come back a second time um without payment is that right complimentary okay yes we need the money yeah i'm pretty sure Noah this is more of a
question i believe they could continue the case come back with a revised plan if you had not voted to deny but they didn't they didn't ask right okay that's the nuance well I know the
applicant left i've always recommended that people live within the setbacks due to the number of fires that we have had in Sunset Beach i don't think that Well during the storm that's incorrect there were fires on Paradise and Palms that I know of but before that we had fires in
Sunset Beach that burned up houses on each side so setbacks variances are not a good thing but anyway regardless of that um let's have a motion to adjourn one moment one moment okay i believe the meeting date is the 15th it's the third
Thursday did I was I looking yeah it's should be the 15th i'm sorry i uh I was thinking second but uh yes third 15th and so just for clarification Katherine if um they had requested instead because
this is good for general audience to know and the public if they had actually come up and just said hey we're going to can we continue this and we'll go back and look at our plans again and we hadn't had the vote then they wouldn't have been charged again to come back let me confirm that that's where I was
getting is from procedural appreciate it just just because again you know it goes back to hardships of everyone has been damaged by these storms and everyone's you know looking at dollars so thank you okay uh on my email I got from Tia we have an LPA meeting it's not going to be
a long one but we do have one right i'm sure we'll find a way to make it long let's have a uh motion to adjourn this meeting we're going to uh break i can go check on my permit thanks Richard take a 10-minute break and we will reconvene at
3:35 how's that sound oh it's really long 15 minutes 10 minutes oh excuse me god I lifted my watch wrong 325 okay welcome to the city of Treasure Island local planning agency meeting for
Thursday April 17th 2025 not a lot of people in the audience but if you wish to speak on a topic which is on today's agenda a speaker card is available at the table by the entrance and must be completed and given to the chairs chairperson please do not address
the board from your seat but rather from the podium where your comments can be heard by all and recorded as required by Florida statute scheduled topics may be presented under the public comments section of the agenda okay we've already had a pledge of allegiance make sure
your phones are still off we're going to swear in our new member before we have a roll call so Mark uh stand and be sworn raise your right hand and you're going to repeat after me i state your name i
Marge Georgeski do solemnly swear do solemnly swear that I will support protect and defend that I will support protect and defend the Constitution and government the Constitution and Government of the United States of the United States and of the State of Florida and of the State of Florida that
I will well I'm sorry that I will well that I will well and faithfully perform faithfully perform the duties on the planning and zoning board the duties of the planning and zoning board and local a planning agency and and local planning agency of
the city of Treasure Island Florida of the city of Treasure Island Florida on which I'm about to enter great thank you okay since you're talking go have a roll call mark Strodeski here gary Patenziano here
ross Sanchez here cara Simley christopher Downing i'm sorry yeah here marvin Shavelin here richard Harris here thank you okay the one item on today's agenda is discussion of the local planning agency's role in the upcoming
revision of the land development regulation and I hate that word visioning because this city's been visioned to death i want to uh say the future of Treasure Island okay phase two of the LDR update
okay thank you i'm Katherine Yncan community development director for the one I haven't met um so we were asked um by the board at a recent meeting to kind of just have some
time to talk and have some visioning so that's what we're here to do today i wanted to kind of give you a a big picture update of where we are in the overall planning process so in I'm sorry the state is wrong i wrote
this in the last hour in June of 2024 the city's updated comprehensive plan was approved by the state of Florida the comprehensive plan is the vision for the city which is implemented through the adoption of the land development regulations and those have to be consistent with the comprehensive plan
so these land development regulations that we are working on and talking about are required by state statute and the city has a consultant for both phases of this project which is Kimley Horn those of you who've been on the board have had some pres previous presentations um from
them on uh where we are in the process what our goals are for the process and what we were working on so phase one which is planned for adoption this summer has the goals of making these LDRs consistent with the comprehensive
plan and the current state laws the o the other big primary goal of phase one is to make this code clearer consistent and easier to use um for those of you who have ever tried to develop something in Treasure Island our code is very old and it has been patched together over
many years um this is the uh approach to make this make more sense make things easier to find make things more consistent uh so consistency between the comprehensive plan and the LDRs is required in order for the city
to have legally defensible plans so the reason we broke this up into phase one and phase two is phase one was kind of a fast track to get this legally in line with the comp plan the comp plan in the city of Treasure Island had not been
thoroughly updated since 1998 so one of my first tasks when I came here was to work on the comprehensive plan we had it all done we had it ready to go we had it approved by the state in 2023 and the state legislature passed
legislation uh basically making its legal status not clear so we had to go back through the process take it back around and back through to adopt it again a year later um they basically said anything that
could be considered more restrictive or burdensome was automatically thrown out so you couldn't operate with a comp plan where you didn't know its legal what could be considered something
so we have been the city has known for a long time that we needed to update the comp plan and we need to update the land development regulations so we're now getting close to phase two you're going to hear phase one in the next month um you're going to see ordinances uh the
land development regulations are a part of the city code they really deal with the development of in there are uh flood plane regulations uh zoning regulations marine regulations uh docks seaw walls um storm water
landscaping all of those kind of things fit within the LDRs there are many other chapters of the city code but uh this department and this board is responsible for the particular set of the land development regulations and so Katherine when are those coming to the soon as we can make this happen as we all know
we've been in a kind of a crisis mode for the last six months so we are working very hard to get those um to the board on a very quick basis um a lot of it has been written a lot of it is being changed now because we have to
incorporate all the changes that were already made in the eight ordinances that adopted the terrain modification program so we changed a lot of definitions as you know in there we changed a lot of um the marine regulations for seaw walls um so there all those changes have to be
incorporated into what we already had that was my next question how some of the things that have recently actually have this many many new ordinances that we passed in the last several months that all have to be incorporated before the final version comes through um so
phase two is the exciting part this part that people are excited about and looking forward to so our our impetus for phase one is to be legal to be defensible to have a code that's clear our phase two is where we look at what does the city of Treasure Island want to
do what do they want to become what do they want to have where do they want to have it what does it look like all of those kind of things so that visioning starts this summer i know Richard doesn't like that what word did you want to use oh the future of Tre the future
of Future Allen the future i think that's a good way to put it too yes yeah i mean yeah how about progress how about the progress the progress of treasure is good too so I just want everybody to kind of understand we are in a coastal high hazard zone so you can't just uh
say "Oh I want to change this zoning." you have to go through a whole process of making sure it's consistent with the local with our comprehensive plan with the Ford Pineellis regulations and with the state statutes for development in a coastal high hazard zone so that sets in
motion a whole set of planning steps which I'll outline for you in a memo because you don't want me to present them here but I don't but I don't think that that would be a direction that we're trying to go when it comes to changing something like that i think there's more
attributes within different areas of the city that we're trying to change to invoke progress okay yes okay we Well staff is hearing from some people height and density height and density so those are the kind of things that require a much longer planning process do we put
their names on a blacklist in the back room or Well that's why this this is what I'm going to get to next i was going to say because those two words process of involving the community and seeing what the community wants as a whole is really important because the city went through
and I don't have the dates but sometime in 2016 2018 they tried to increase height and density in certain parts of the city and the citizens voted no they said no and they made sure that that did not happen a lot's changed
since then but that was my next sentence okay i think we have a lot of new residents we have a lot of um interest in the city and I think we have a lot of um we've been through a crisis and things have changed and people have a different
vision of what they want to see you know how do they want to live and what does it look like so and we need to find ways to collect money to pay for things in the city i'll say it i I see our new economic development director is back there hi director yes um I'm sure couple
meetings ago we talked about incorporating what the vision she sees and where we are we're going to start incorporating some of the things she's doing that I can't see it's not transparent right now but that's start going to come to the forward so what the biggest part of this like phase two as we're going to call it is
is um what how do we go about the process how do we get community input how do we make sure that this is the the path that the city wants to take what is what's important to the people that live here and what do they want to see um so I
just wanted to kind of go through legally what the duties of the planning and zoning board are and what their influence is on this process um as the local planning agency you see all ordinances you see the comp plan you see everything that that affects development
within the city in your day you know in your monthly meetings so you're pretty familiar with how that works um but the so the same members of the planning and zoning board as you know serve as the local planning agency and so those duties we talked about adoption of
amendments to the comp plan new LDRs um new development agreements if we have development agreements with developers you will see those um actions on reszoning on future land use changes so a lot of times when we well in Treasure
Island we have the comprehensive plan has future land use categories the land development regulations have zoning categories but in our case they match up one for one in a lot of cities they don't for instance there will be a future land use category that contains multiple zoning districts ours are a one
forone match so when we go to change zoning we also have to change the future land use map in the comprehensive plan so so these things are matched together um this is a very confusing part of the code because it talks about these
plans and how you would affect them the board's recommendations for the physical development of the city um talks about streets bridges causeways parks playgrounds whatever general location of public buildings public property
um talks about streets and how they're used for public ways and grounds and places and spaces um and then whatever other functions the city commission should grant to the planning and zoning board say if they said we want you to do
X I have a question when I read that so let's just say one of the most recent recent topics when it came to like the police and fire I don't think that that came in front of us at all um nope it did not that went to the
city commission but when I read that I think that it should same thing with the old city 100 sorry cut you off something with the buildings on 108 getting demo demoed or what's the plan for those i mean nothing nothing that I mean it says right there removal I think of one of
them yes we get skipped a lot yes so those don't have to come to you but they these plans that you shall make can include these these items oh the planned say that say that again create we're creating basically the rules now like we
can I did hear a lot of complaints in the past that we didn't uh of the stuff we did not get to see I mean this building uh you know we Treasure Bay you have to consider that a lot of these things are built under the current
code and so they don't require change but a site plan usually comes before us and of course we did not see a site plan for this building you know I've got my opinion of uh how things went but
regardless I'd like to uh I'm sure that everybody on this board would like to uh be more involved with the future of the city because quite frankly I'm stating the very obvious we have four real problem areas right now i mean the Gators property our central business
district Treasure Bay and the club and uh I'd love to be uh able to uh facilitate something good to happen there so that's my two cents i think if you if you read this it it it's pretty obvious that the
city should have been consulting with the LPA on many of the matters that have happened over the past many years and that this board has been not included in those discussions well I can say like when the visioning
was initially done for downtown um that all was with this board that was all and that's the major last planning projects that we really had of this kind of magnitude um but I think I think the differentiation there is whether or not
we're talking about when you're do changes in planning or whether the city is doing a significant infrastructure project like even the living sea seaw wall or any any of that would be significant to the infrastructure of the
city reading this paragraph seems like it'd be common sense to have the city have the LPA's input can we go back we actually did look at at Treasure Bay and the living shoreline as far as whether that needed to come for site plan approval and because the area being used
for the living shoreline is so small in comparison to the land area it was actually below the threshold that comes back to the LPA again that would be a decision i'm sorry the PNC plan sorry but it has it has doc it has docs listed up there correct me
if I'm wrong this is in place today supposedly this is in the code today i mean there's a dock in the treasure in the living shoreline there's a kayak launch right this doesn't mean you're going to see every single permit to do something this is your vision the plan
for the city the Yeah that's what I mean the Treasure Bay site plan I feel like should have come through here so there are exemptions to site plan review which um are based on the area of the lot and the percentage um and it said that it
was exempt and I think what we did here it's not so much the letter of the law because when the living shoreline is done it's just a ribbon around the edge so if you think of the the magnitude of the size of that site if something else was happening on the site it would definitely come to you well because I
guess from a planning perspective the living shoreline could potentially affect that entire parcel of land from a development standpoint i think what everyone is saying here on this board sure if I don't want speaking
for all of them that regardless of the letter of the law on all of this or the regulation it's the intent for the city to use this board as a sounding board for how things
all this infrastructure goes forward as represent to be more representative in the community so I would encourage you to and your you know predecessor you know the um successor to move forward with using the board for all of these purposes um and that last uh point here
of the the board shall perform other functions as deemed that the city council shall determine um I think it's up to our board here if we want to do some additional things we talked about this last time and have greater input um we probably should uh put that in writing to the city commission and have
them actually state it good point so this [Music] doesn't commission is not required to use this but they can use it right exactly okay that's interesting okay they would be wise to do so in my Thanks for sharing this with us and I'm not
trying to look backwards like living shortland whatever i'm not trying to look backwards i'm trying to focus this whole town on on moving forward so I appreciate you sharing this information with me so going on to the point of going forward you we talked about doing a visioning or you know the future of treasure island or whatever treasure
treasure island progress uh who does that or organizes those sessions is it the city staff that's going to organize these public sessions yes for that yes so we would organize that in concert with our uh
consultant and you know a series of public meetings and that's actually one of my first questions is what what does this board think that should look like and my and you say consultant and my beers perk up because we all the city commission you know the resonance to
using more consultants so I'm I would like to make sure who who would this consultant so this is Kimley Hornim that's working on phase one of the project they they are under contract for phase two um I saw them I saw that
note that you had on the uh in the intro of from the slide is there an ideal meeting date that we see them again cuz I don't think I wasn't here in the last meeting did they come in March because remember we gave them some takeaways to come back with us in regards to not what
other towns are doing but like you know they made a big stink they made a big review about we know the area we've done this in different area you know parts of the state we've reviewed your golf boulevard and it's like okay well what can you come back and give us ideas we don't want to be like St pete Beach we
don't want to be like Madera we don't want you know but granted Madera does have a raised firehouse and St beach does have you know nice fire trucks what what whatever it may be do we know when they're going to come back with those takeaways that we gave them i think it was in was it Jan was it I don't Was it before the storm actually it was before
the storm it was before the storm so it's been more than since the storm but I'd have to look um Okay but basically that was an introductory meeting to get some input and so when do they come back they'll be back um in May with some some of these changes that we were talking about in phase one all right so then we
can I can pepper them with questions instead of you you're still looking Oh sorry pepper sorry Chris no sorry so you're looking for public involvement right how do we get there couple things uh use of the pick you know the uh civic associations on the
island yes definitely get them involved whether they're strong or not strong get it out to the get them get it out to the voice um our our website of course yeah and of course you know the commissioners play a key role in
that because they should be going out there and questioning their constituents right oh of course and I think there are people out there there at least in my district that know my position on this board and they will
you know in passing you see them on the island they'll they'll make a comment i mean if people if people people want to give input they'll find a way to give input i'm sure you know that Catherine i'm sure this town knows that and there's multiple ways to get in input surveys you know in-person meetings there's there's many many ways to do it
i was just like to brainstorm with you what you think are effective you know that's a good thing to do to go down to check check because you're always going to get those folks that are not on the island and say "Well I didn't know about this i didn't get any information." So you got to check all the blocks because they're going to come back say "I didn't
know we were doing this." So you got to take all that out of the equation i mean Katherine also we can say may I'll make the comment i mean we can all look around this town any type of progress is going to be good progress so people want to stare at dirt weed lots
then whatever but we got to get stuff cooking here our public information officer uh Jason does a great job you just It's not going to be spoonfed to you you're going to have to look at the coffer you're going to have to look at our website he does an amazing job a lot of people do but I have heard a lot of
complaints of "Oh I didn't know about that." I said "Well get off your uh you know high horse and go look at a few things because right now and I'm repeating myself our central business district is is probably one of the worst
in Penelis County there's no doubt about it because there's nothing there anymore to speak of." So you know Joan and I are working with them on a reg all of all all of the collective people that you've mentioned on a regular basis it's not that we are
not involved with them we are not trying to move something forward and I don't want to speak for everybody here but I will tell you my positioning in regards to what this phase 2 looks like is I want to put something in there that allows anybody to come in and do something in this town like I I'm trying to be less restrictive i'm not saying
that we have to have 50ft buildings but like whatever like if people brought us ideas like we want to hear them like what what works for them what's going to create some investment into this town that can help us generate some dollars where we can build the fire station we can you know fix up the golf course
whatever it may be but like you know I I think that in going to your second bullet LPA goals I mean my specific goal and not selfish again because my heart's in this city is for the fact that we got to do something that is going to allow people to invest money in there i am
somewhat skittish about making the rules hard and fast because I don't want to scare people away from develop from putting progress into Treasure Island that that's my positioning and I agree with you 100% Russ we do not want to make it restrictive we do need
to update things our downtown development plan is is my key uh one that I always object with uh I mean it was modeled back in 2006 when Celebration was a cost celebrity and it
has subsequently failed and uh you know there's just not much left down there but the idea of the canyon effect y'all heard me say it before I don't want those buildings tied up against the road and nor do I want Katherine for your uh
benefit is I don't want oceans of asphalt out in front of the buildings either you know there's a happy medium it's convenient parking with nice landscaping let's make this I want to get you are you coming up to talk are you okay no I was going to ask you because I know you're part of um you've
created a rebuild committee that meets We'll have Joan up here questions for Catherine first you know it's a situation where we do want to uh make modifications and I agree with Ross let's make it so something uh
can be built and there's a lot of state laws that are currently coming in the books like the livable h housing ordinance that I understand was passed yesterday that uh are going to change things in this city there will be no more referendums for heightened density we just got to give them heightened
density if you want development give them height and density that's what a developer wants just can I correct that statement there's already a state law that you cannot go to referendum for height and density that was passed last year so that's already on the books um
because the city had put in in the after the 2016 2018 time the citizens had put in our code language that said you had to go to referendum for height or density changes in a zoning district um but state law changed that last year and
that's going to make it even more important that the LPA gets more involved and the city commission is going to have more power with regard to how that this those things move forward in terms of development ross I'm really in favor like you are in being super flexible to get whatever growth we can
to get in here but at the same time I think we have this great opportunity with nearly a blank pallet because of the storm and the fact that downtown was already half gone before the storm and now is going pretty close to being Yeah
where we have no downtown that we actually have a a very unique opportunity to take this the this blank pallet to and the city of Treasure Island to a whole new level and not be
shortsighted about that so it is dual it's twofold it is twofold and I my my priority I mean because I want to because Marv made that what Marv said for me it's not that I want height and density that's not my priority my priority is I want a police and fire station i want Treasure Bay to be you
know nice i want downtown to be nice i want gate those are my priorities those priorities are going to take and I want my employees of the city to be taken care of as well when it comes to benefits and 401ks and things of that nature because that's important and public works i want all those people to be taken care of but that happens with
investment with investment like that's my that's what the developers want correct so I mean you know one thing to think about is you know the downtown St petersburg i mean Central Avenue is the artery to a Penllis County beach which is Treasure Island and if you guys look
very familiar with everyone's familiar with downtown St pete because it is on the map and it is exploding the only way it can go is this way yeah so the fact that we can get it over here and more progress it's only going to be beneficial to where we can talk about the direct for St pete katherine I had a quick question with
regard to Kimberly Horn and you know that they're supposed to be coming back to us have you given them specific written requests for what they're going to come back to us with so on the phase one stuff yes because those are all um
and I guess I'm getting more to Ross' point that 375 things in our code that needed to be there were I I guess ideas that we wanted them to come back with have we given them a charge to come back with those ideas at their next meeting
with I'm going to have to go back to that meeting because I'm not really familiar with what that was and a lot has happened on that if if you take a look at that and and just from the standpoint of timing remind them what we were looking for in that last meeting
before because that's part of what they would you know could save some time in bringing that to us well one of the main points Chris was creativity i mean you know let's put this way unfortunately we sit in one of the ugliest buildings in Treasure Island in this city hall it's a
glass box and what I have always said was I don't want a glass box i want the Don Cesar and I uh related that to Kimley Horn so you know a little creativity in our central business district a little creativity on the Gator property actually the building at
the club looks pretty good uh I mean it's new and uh Treasure Bay of course the storm did it no favor so it needs some help as well and even like since that meeting with Kimley Horn I mean 108 is a is a blank canvas now whereas when we had that meeting before it wasn't yeah so I mean that's another piece of
it like changed do we need to you know well well we have been and Joan will come talk to you in a moment but we have been meeting with all of the subject property owners that you that keep being brought up and asking them what they need to move forward and asking them what it takes to move this forward can
we get like a for sale by owner sign and put it out in front of the old city buildings on 108 see what we can get for them there's nothing left they're gone exactly it's just land value it's great so and and to your point what you just made about what you I've been asking those developers
for is there a short list of what are the barriers to current development so for and I think we know some of them but I mean I can kind of summarize for you um one of the developers has said it's height and density the numbers don't work i don't care how I add them up they
don't work yeah so um the cost of construction nowadays and what it takes to get your money back and the cost of money because you know development is all about the cost of money and time time for a developer time is money so
they want a lot of shy in their code they want to know what they can build for instance the Thunderbird came and they said "Could you change the code so we can have more height and density?" And I said "Yes but it's a very long process and it would take approximately whatever i don't have the whole outline
with me." And I said "But you have grandfather density." So you can build more density than what the code allows because of the hurricane so they were able to keep all of their rooms and instead of having I believe it's 206
very small rooms they now have 206 two-bedroom suites awesome so the money worked because that worked you could have told them it's units it's not square footage you also could have told them to come for a variance for height if you wanted to right they could have
but they're actually not their height is not the issue we'll see it next month for the Thunderbird yep or we'll see it at some point I guess so that is the route they're going now we don't know we'll know we'll know in a month or two yeah it will come before this board so I don't want to go too far
deep into it but um it'll come to the PNZ for site plan approval yeah I knew that i'm just asking a question and the application is in so we're working with them on that okay so this may be more to talk about when Joan comes i'm sorry it may be 106 i might have totally
misspoken i'll get that right for And I know there there's a lot of discussion about where the fire station is going to go on 108th or not and the effect of all the you know the property the city hall being you know taken down that whole stretch of property that's waterfront that's part of this blank pallet that
I've been trying to state that gives this huge opportunity that's going to be a once in a you know generation or millennia you know at least a century for us to do something with that land as a city that encourages
this development and that may mean that the city does something by itself that's not making money directly it's just setting up something something up for the rest of downtown but it's also an opportunity to do a public private partnership on that land so that we
could overcome some of these barriers that the developers have for rebuilding part parts of downtown and doing it in a cost-effective way that if the city is a partner in a part of that more can happen and I I think that's part of what
this board can play a role in and we got to find a way to do that yes that's something for Joan to talk about as well okay and the other one of the other properties that keeps coming up is the club and um I don't know if it's public knowledge or not but the club and the
two condo towers at 450 and 500 Treasure Island the two to the further to the east um those were all developed as a master plan back when they were built and all the density residential density was used
up in the two towers that's why they're so tall and the club and those two things were tied together legally from the get-go um the owners and they were always in common ownership and the members of those the owners of those condos were always required to be
members of the club they shared parking they shared a lot of other things through legal agreements that they had between themselves um they came back to the city I believe and I'll get I can give you the exact time but they came back to the city said no we still get to develop the club with all the same
density that we already gave away to the other they split up the property and said oh we're not with them anymore we still want to develop the club and we said well you gave away all your density you've already used it up that actually went to court lawsuit etc and it was uh
ruled in favor of the city that the density was gone so we've been talking to the owner ers and the owner's representatives um about this would take a whole master planning project which is something that this board would you know this is one of the things we may want to
approach of a master plan to make that a mixeduse district but that's going to involve those condos because we can't just reszone the club right we can't spot zone the club and the club is tied together it's got two condos that it was developed with on one side and two other
condo buildings on the other side right so we have to look at this as an area plan and how does it work together and do the residents there want that you know so this becomes a very public you know process that we go through to find out what do people want
to do residents also want you know police and fire they want nice stuff and so we'll have that you know we'll have that battle or we'll have that's why I'm saying this becomes a very public process because you can't just all for it say to the club here right for you
have this your neighbors they don't want that res think about it holistically as to what everyone wants res also don't want their taxes to go up either so right you know I'll be more than happy to discuss that balance with anybody that's where we need that innovation yes so so there are things
going on just so just because it's not all public there there is a lot going on behind the scenes where we're talking to all of these owners and all these developers to try to figure out what it is they need to change what what needs to change to make this successful for them
and that's part of this whole job that we have for the next year is to figure out how to make this work yeah we just need to put it on nitrous oxide and let's I mean I know we got a lot going on but we got to we got to get cranking yep joan did you have some comments you
wanted to make in order to I I do i' I'd love to add and again it's been um a lot of um privilege to um work with Katherine and her team meet with these owners since I last saw you again Joan
Goodrich economic development director for the city of Treasure Island you know the island um put in the office of economic development just this January um you know to help with the conversation to help support um this movement forward um so it what astounds
me doing this work for more than 35 years is um the the care of the property owners the commercial property owners that are from here you know they they've lived here um they've assembled this
land for several decades you know to get to the point where um you know now they want to do what's best um for the community moving forward so that sincerity of being a partner with the community um with you all with the city
is very strong so um the and again you know um as Katherine had said they've been very specific with us on what's holding them back and I think the opportunity or maybe one of those things that spending more time talking about is
development from a mixeduse perspective you know um we've got an opportunity now just to not think of that parcel as for a hotel or that parcel for just you know a strip shopping center you know that we
can unleash the full um potential highest and best use is mostly used I guess in the planning world as Katherine's teaching me um you know as we move forward so um I think that's extremely exciting um because as I sit
in all of these u meetings and conversations that's what I hear our community wants they want vibrancy back they want excitement back they want you know places where they can um you know have fun with with their families so um
just wanted to let you know that now so again I'm starting to study all of the strategic areas again John's Pass um downtown um the Treasure Bay area and primarily that's the yacht club that you all were just talking about um you know
that's about a quarter of a billion dollars just in municipal value right now so imagine how we can improve the non-residential tax base if we unleash the potential of that land so again the
land to the to municipal value is a quarter of a a billion uh quarter of a yeah a quarter of a billion dollars so we've got great potential to you know reach a goal of doubling the non-residential tax base in a
particular point of time amazing and so that's my goal my goal is to um increase the non-residential tax base um to make sure that we can grow and retain jobs to diversify um the
economy and to um improve um the the life of Treasure Island um I mentioned or someone had mentioned about rebuild TI i have been spending a lot of time working and supporting the city managers rebuild Treasure Island working group
this is the group that is looking at all of the opportunities for funding to help us rebuild recover um and put in the 21st century infrastructure that we must have if we're truly going to bring Treasure Island to life and I'll tell
you it is um it's overwhelming um for those volunteers on the working committee as they get into the all of the alphabet soup the FEMA and the CDBG DR and the EDA and the yada yada
yada um it's been quite eyeopening um we're not winning right now in this regard though um we we got some news on Friday that FEMA public assistance dollars there's categories a something
called brick and then cdef um we just learned that brick funding has been taken off the table for communities like us from Washington DC so this is where we had potentially hoped to bring down money from Washington to help us with um the public
safety complex some of our other key um public infrastructure um for I don't know how many of you all are following Penllis County the $813 million for the CDBGDR dollars um the county just had a
workshop meeting this morning um the draft plan of action for that $813 million has been um formulated um it will now we will now start a 30-day period of public comment before that
plan gets finalized by the board of county commissioners in um in May um people first is the um program that the county's putting in place for that 813
million so helping families with repair of their homes or rebuilding their homes um again a certain percentage of that money actually goes to our low and moderate income families um we do have low to moderate income families that
live here on the island about 22% of our families um fall into that category um but it is going to be the county's approach to actually um develop programs at the county level that will then come
um that will allow our residents to partake in those programs um some counties that have received this money um sister county south of us actually use their municipal partners to develop programs that are for their own
community so um from a county point of view the county will maintain most of that money put programs in place for for our families and then there will be a one portal in for programs for housing um for infrastructure and for small
business um needs so none of that money is going to come um to Treasure Island there is now a segment of the infrastructure money um that potentially we'll have a chance to compete for and
that amount of money is $16 million and this is where again public safety um some of our uh master lift station and other projects so in the city manager rebuild TI working group we've
identified 150 line items associated with our damaged or destroyed infrastructure um of course the projects that are on um the city's five-year capital improvement plan and projects that have been carried over or
encumbered from one year to another so the team is trying to figure out okay whatever are our priorities what what what does our what is our community saying to us from unmet needs and then doing our best to try and align ourselves with whatever bucket of money
um potentially is there has the county said what criteria they're going to use for this util this infrastructure money for in terms of priority of where it goes we just know or something we just know of timing right now I haven't reviewed the plan of action that's on
panelis gov um that just came out today so this is where we haven't yet reviewed it's it's like a 150 page plan of action so um we'll have some of those details um but we are participating in I suspect
that they'll put some criteria to priority on certain types of projects and then they'll pro I would imagine that you know life safety may be one of the criteria and that would be you could probably shorten your list of the 150 items that we want to go after and also
mitigation projects so again you know the city is is a great participant with county and local mitigation hazard mitigation so some of the projects seaw wall replacement that we've had in line for some of those other buckets of money is where the county will look at that
first okay so um but Katherine and and Mary Ellen and Jesse you know has us pretty well positioned you know for that um I think the point that I'm trying to make is um our county partners
um are just beginning to I think understand some of the um impact that beach communities like Treasure Island have been through um but quite frankly most of our county has moved on from the
2024 storm season so but for us continuing to raise our voice on what we need from Treasure Island we won't get so kind of that squeaky wheel so I'm I'm inviting you all to um check out what the county is
doing with CDBG DR we really could use more voices and champions with whatever context you have with the county weigh in on the public comment period and and say what you think um but we all we need more
voices to the choir to um make sure that in this competitiveness of disaster recovery funding that we get right can you send us everybody on the board here the link to that so that we can comments into the
public comment okay thank you for the the work with Rebuild and TI group um obviously collective of trying to capture whatever dollars may be out there in regards to like let's my big thing like that let's say 106 million that was for public safety like who
would be presenting like our case in regards to like allowing us to have access to that money for like a police and fire station because I I don't know the stat but there's got to be some number out there that is our beaches are probably used by county residents more than actual residents so like wouldn't
it be important to the Penllis County to help with police and fire because right now we've got our current situation is is there somebody within the group that's hammering home on this is why we need that money or presenting that case
we're definitely preparing um preparing those business cases um we've been fortunate that um Commissioner Kathleen Peters has actually been um pretty engaged with the Rebuild TI working group okay um she's given us some great
ideas and insights again she's from here so she's got some sensitivity as she balances you know the different hats that she wears um but yes that is something that we can definitely share some of like infrastructure isn't going
to happen um you'll see in the materials um from the county not until um housing's coming first through um summer and winter infrastructure won't come and opportunity um for for grant
applications or business cases until early um 26 so some of this is rolling and we've learned again any money we receive from FEMA is not coming to us for a while i'd be the guy arguing that
like our fire uh department sleeps here so it's technically housing for them that I'd be that guy i would be that's the way that I would be prison if you need a guy that goes and sells like I'll be more than I mean yeah I carry a hammer but I'm saying like
we'll we'll figure this out but I just that's why I'm trying to get that intel um and I appreciate you sharing that with me and you know yeah some of these other county like you had mentioned some of our neighboring cities are you know they've kind of moved on you know from the storm like they're doing better because they've allowed progress over the last 20 30 40 years i mean we're
sitting here now as you can see I mean we have not been the most progressive type of city and it's kind of as we all know it's stung us and it's stung us pretty hard so um it's renaissance time and that's quite exciting yeah um you know and I as much as I
appreciate the you know cigar shop that's open next to the laundry mat like like we need we need something else you know I want Chris to be able to take his granddaughter you know somewhere other than the beach or other than a you know one of the cajillion parks we have on the island so appreciate all your help thank you is it worth one of us sitting
on that committee with you i don't think we're allowed to are we not there's Ross actually commissioner Dicki uh the city manager have formed a task force to go after that money so right yeah that's that's what we're talking about yeah but
but what I can do is um share share the information with Katherine so she can get it out to you from a call of action point of view um when it's time absolutely can we get like just updates because I know you guys meet like every two weeks um we meet every Monday yeah
or every Monday and I can share the summary notes from the meetings too i think there was some type of conflict i remember a lot in the March in the February meeting you had came and I think we were kind of caught off guard i think the I thought Yeah I wasn't Yeah I thought LPA could Yeah the the working
group is not a sunshine body because it reports to the manager so it's not it's not open or it's not open it's not open it's not an open meeting i see unfortunately um and I I can respect the fact that they're trying to get you know
not be overwhelmed um yeah weekly update would be awesome you know we keep summary notes and there's um you know presentations that we receive that I you know who's ever if you just let me know you're interested we can add you to and the city manager put that group together
yes that's neglected to put anybody from the LPA board on that committee i don't think it's allowed i don't I don't think it's allowed i think when Jennifer I think it's I don't think it was an issue of of conflict because there's only one commissioner on there so there's that
can we find that out because it would be really helpful if it's potentially possible for one of us to be in those meetings because we both can't two of us can't but one of us could i also like you just attending our monthly meeting though is update i like that too yep yep and I've heard great
things about the work that you're doing so keep it up please thank you well that we're all doing together right great opportunity we have We have to We have and I've heard great things about the committee i just want to learn learn more we have no other choice i can follow up with you on that thank you thank you okay uh reports of city
attorney staff or board members seeing none next LPA meeting hopefully after the P&Z uh meeting on the 15th of May any public comment out there seeing none let's have a motion to
adjurnn move to adjurnn thanks