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e e e okay we're live welcome to the city of Treasure Island local plan agency board meeting for February 13th
2025 if you wish to speak on a topic which is on today's agenda a speaker card is available on the table over in the back of the room and must be completed and giv uh given to the chairperson please do not address the board from your seat but rather from the
podium where your comments can be heard by all and recorded as required by Florida statute unscheduled topics may be presented under the public comments section of the agenda uh let's all stand for the Pledge of Allegiance please Al to the flag of the United
States of America and to the Republic which stands nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all yes we have a quorum but barely yep please silence your cell phones uh Tia
if you could have a roll call we have to do the oath of office first because Chris Downing has moved up to the district two oh okay all right and for Jennifer but we'll do that in pnz because she's not here today okay she may be coming in late to this
meeting she said so we'll have to swear her in before she could be seated or does she have to be here for the whole meeting to be sworn in to be given her oath of office office yes she would have to be here and do it as part of the meeting okay no I mean she's coming to the meeting but she
going be late is not here we can just do it when she arrives okay okay that's what I wanted to clarify thank you can you raise your right hand and then repeat after me I state your name I Chris Downing do solemnly affirm do
solemnly affirm that I will support protect and defend that I will support and protect and defend the Constitution and government of the United States the Constitution and the government of the United States and of the State of Florida and of the State of Florida that I will and Faithfully I that I will and
Faithfully perform the duties on the Planning and Zoning Board perform the duties on the Planning and Zoning Board and local planning agency and local planning agency of the city of Treasure Island of the city of Treasure Island on which I am to enter on which I am to
enter so help me God so help me God thank you okay now we can have a roll call a long one Gary penano here Grant Smith here Christopher Downing here Richard Harris here thank you and I assume uh everybody
else had a good excuse like uh Ross Sanchez called me and said he wasn't going to be here I don't know about the other others did we hear from anybody else I was asked if Ross could be excused because the meeting was not next
week but today is the natural uh scheduled day of the LPA so I I don't really have an opinion on that okay it's fine I mean we normally meet at 6 I know no one wants to meet at 6 and we try to move it up as far as we could but um as
you probably know we're permitting in the lobby on Tuesdays and Thursdays and there's usually 50 or 60 people here until about 3:00 so we didn't want to try to conflict those two events understand okay we don't have any
minutes to approve uh presentation of items 6A request to approve resolution 20 25-1 recommending adoption of ordinance 20 25-1 creating a temporarily expanded
time frame for special events go for it Katherine okay so you have one item before you today and under our current code special events are limited in their uh to four per year and a
duration of 9 days and in this time of hurricane rebuilding uh we've had some requests for people who would like to do longer events and so this proposes that um we create a Time exemption that would allow special
events on Commercial properties to continue for up to six months duration with an option to extend that for two 3mon periods as long as there is action on rebuilding on the site so either a
permit have met with the uh development Review Committee something to show that they're moving towards reopening that business on site uh so allowing them The Economic Opportunity to uh continue to
or to start operations prior to having their building fully functional uh they would still need to meet all conditions of the special event they come in they apply there's a multi-item checklist has about probably 25 different questions like where are your
restrooms what are you doing with your trash you know all of these kind of things that have to be are you creating additional traffic so it's really analyzed for for all the impacts a special event um approval can be done by staff or it can be taken to the
commission if it the staff feels that that is beyond something that they're comfortable with so um we work to ensure we work with the police and the fire department make sure they've got you know everything necessary for ESS and for um if there's traffic like if it was
a concert there would be anticipated traffic you might hire off-duty police or you know whatever that event might engender uh what we're looking at here is probably more long-term like a a restaurant that would have say food trucks in a tent that would at on a
continuous basis um they would still be subject to all other city regulations like noise and parking and the typical things that we would look at in a site plan we would ensure that there's sufficient parking and you know lighting if it's
Turtle season you know all of the things that come along with a normal permit and Katherine how how are you planning to handle fees that would normally be charged for special events since it's it's almost going into where it's more like a temporary use use and we don't have any kind of temporary use in our
city we don't have any provisions for that so that's why we put this under a special event so these are there's a $100 application fee if it's a staff approval or a $200 application fee if it's commission approval right so the fees are very minor so it's a nominal
fee and so the fees don't actually there's not a daily fee that they would be hit with it's just a one time just a one time so it's nominal okay so we're looking at a restaurant might want to bring in in these special trailers they're doing something to do that we don't want small Carneys and other people coming through here and sitting up camp and say Well they're going to
put their Carneys in for two or three months so no you would have to have a a existing business on the property doing the same type of okay you know a restaurant doing a restaurant or a retail operating out of like a a you know a trailer in their parking lot or
something like that where they could do that on ongoing basis um just to keep their business operational so the fireworks tents and the things you may see in other parts of the city they wouldn't be a part of this those would come in under the normal special event limited to nine days and
limited okay by their nature this is really tied to having a building permit at active building permit or active plans to rebuild a lot of people that are in the rebuild process don't have their plans complete but they've come to the DRC and said
this is what we're doing you know so they've they've triggered that rebuild process so excuse me no go ahead so I understand why you would extend it to a year you know from 9 days just because of the magnitude of the rebuild that's required once the city gets back on its feet and everybody's kind of caught up
what happens to this ordinance at that point does it stay in effect or this is time limited so this is only good through um February of 16th of 2026 so it's for basically a year to uh while people are in the rebuilding process
terrific thanks it automatically sunsets I think we should do everything we can to get these businesses back on their feet so I think it's a good thing it is for the businesses and there's so of them that got majorly hit on the beach to get them give them a chance
absolutely ABS Grant and I both live on Sunset Beach there's basically two businesses down there one's back open for business and the other one I walk through the building it's got some challenges and so in order that they will not uh Miss some revenue from
spring break which is their important time we're going to try to help them out a little bit so I think it's a great thing there's no concern of or provision like if there's a change in ownership of they this that permit would go with them
it would tie to the parcel to the parcel there's not really an issue with that okay as long as they're doing it using it in the same way that would be F when we write those special events we're very specific as to what they are um even in normal times it includes x y z for this period of
time just because um our only recourse through codes is that they would be violating that specific approval so we have the approval has to be specific enough that you could violate it right in other words bringing in extra trailers or not or selling off your
parking lot or you know something that would create an actual violation of codes got it thank you okay any other questions for the city staff anybody in the audience Joan you got any comments you'd like to make in
your first uh LPA meeting Joan Goodrich city of Treasure Island economic development director I would just like to um thank Katherine and her team for coming up with this um solution that makes it possible for us
to demonstrate our um interest to see our businesses rebuild and um so so thank you Katherine and and your team for this thank you all right nobody else is in the audience uh any other we'll close the
public hearing any other comment from the board uh who wants to make a motion there Mo recommended motion languag is on page three I've got it here so I move to approve resolution
20251 recommending that the city commission approve ordinance 2025 5-01 I'll second it all right we have a motion by Grant Smith second by Chris Downing can we have a roll call vote to you grant Smith hi Chris Downing hi Gary
penana hi Richard Harris yes all right thank you very much we'll move on to the local planning agencies issu comments or discussion we uh are hoping that we're in well on the
way to recovery um the comments that I've heard recently are I hope you guys on the pnz and the OPA can do something to help us out with our Central business district and the gator property and also uh the club
property those seem to be the uh three properties that are commercially oriented that are in the most distress right now and my comment is we'll do whatever we can but there's only so much that this board can do I mean we can be
proactive and try to push things along but it's the owner of the property that's got to step to the plate uh anybody else got any I goe I do um can I direct it to Joan sure of course okay Joan question
couple questions for you um there's no doubt about it you're in a hot seat of some things that got to be done and uh do you have a 3mon five Monon yearlong plan some things you think we could do and and and go to the that you can start Distributing to us and some thoughts and
and ideas you have that we can start looking at with you I do have ideas however they're just my ideas so um I'm on a listening and learning tour and would welcome the opportunity to to meet who ever would
love to meet with me to share their thoughts on um these opportunities I I've gotten as far as you know understanding that these are our strategic areas of opportunity as we move forward um as we look
at putting forward programs and initiatives um with some of the money that's come down from Washington our cdbg Dr dollars um what's that Community
um development block grant dollars for Disaster Recovery has been received by our County Partners um $840 million has been received the bulk of that will go to our communities in pelis County um
that provide key um Services uh for our low income and moderate income families however 30% of those dollars um we have an opportunity to bring forward programs and initiatives in the areas of
housing um infrastructure and economic revitalization so I'm working with um you know Catherine and I on the city's executive leadership team with our city manager um
Chuck Anderson are beginning to um pull together some of um potential projects and programs and that's where having input from our community on what should be priority what should be our priority ask as we move forward um because
there's going to be a lot of money that potentially could be available to us as we look forward to these things so um yes it this is I think week six or seven for me and um while I do have you know
ideas um they actually need to become our ideas you know as as we move forward does does it have any benefit to have us involved with that meeting with you to get upfront look as well and have our inputs well I I would imagine it would
be our approach um because we've got a little time like I I forced our way into um the economic and Workforce recovery support function team so um my first call with them is this um Friday so I'll
have more information there but I would anticipate that it would be um the executive leadership team under the leadership of our city manager that yeah we'll we'll be back here in short order asking you know for your input and guidance
on on what you think is is best for us to do moving forward so do you know the time frame that you were required to request monies under this grant program right now again you know there is no action plan the
next step for the county with its Partners is to develop an action plan so the counties receed the money but they actually haven't developed the timeline for submission of requests at this point no so so the county team is now you know
you know have their own ideas they're turning to the municipal partners and other partners to again get get more input before a defined action plan so so this is a good opportunity this is a kind of a a low a low period if you will
that we could as a city to your point I think you know start putting priorities together of what we think would be allowed under that grant program to be submitted corre not only public input but input from the
pnz and LPA boards at the same time so it's I think you know the the idea here would be that it wouldn't just be coming what the priorities wouldn't be just set by the city executive I I really no no no it's it's part of the process again you know that
this is all done collaboratively because we're in it I just didn't know like if it was a short time frame things might have to be done quicker but but our LPA board we we' make ourselves available for sure I I I just see a time frame for some reason and you can tell me I'm wrong I'm
seeing 6 months 12 months man we're going to be in 2026 already and we've got no businesses coming in here I think this board along with your team has got to get in there and start doing something and and and rustling the bushes and get some business in here we wait we're going to get behind naball we should be aggressive and start pushing
well right I totally I'm concur I mean I'm really concerned we're going to miss the window not when you're not because what you're not doing but I think if we could get out there so we step on our feet a little bit we make a couple mistakes along the way maybe we should aggressive and go out there and seek it
well one one of the issues that I see we face is you know spaces right you know so so part of the multifaceted approach we're going to have to take together is you know our
retail um space inventory has been damaged right so there are no ready to go places you know to put new businesses or even businesses that were here to to give them that other spot you know so so this is
multifaceted it's not just right you know and and that is some of the work that we need to do together and see and like the ordinance we just passed that should help in part in that direction a beautiful example of bus whatever stage of this equation they
in where're they're don't know what to do they're trying to do it we got to make it as transparent as possible let them know this is out there this is out there may spur them to what's going on and not keeping behind the eightball from from the start from the start you start meeting with Chuck and all this stuff let's get on the front end yeah
let them know what's going on if there's only 10 of them maybe 10 more will get in once they see this inititive going on and they may come back and and or make it other businesses want to come in here and say maybe I need to be a part of this group oh absolutely you know again
as I meet each of you and what happens from my conversations with each of you is you're giving me a referral to go meet with that business owner and that business owner so so that is what I'm I'm doing so I appreciate any referrals
to local business owners that you'd like to help introduce me to so I can have that conversation understand what they need How We Do problem solving like we just did so thank you for taking that step because that's a beautiful gift you just gave several of our local
businesses so they can continue to stay in business while they rebuild you know putting my you know again working with Katherine and her team you know going almost door too with our hotels motels short-term rentals you know I know after
my meetings with visit St Pete Clear Water um the property tax um collector's office or appraisers office you know we lost 30% of our inventory and Supply well you know we're 30% down in our our
hotel rooms that means we've got less customers that are coming in to support our local businesses so yeah you know we've got a lot of work to do one of the biggest gripes um this is prior to you taking on your responsibility is when you talk to a lot of people here there's just not
enough activity for them so they may go to the beach and they end up going downtown got to keep that dollar base in here you talk to these Hotel owners they really get upset that they don't want to spend money here you got a big task there and and if we can get some early involvement maybe it'll help so specifically on this
block rant that's come down that pelis county has and we've got this opportunity to as a city to set up a priority list of what we might go after I know we don't know all the rules of the road yet cuz penel countyy is still working on it um but we could what the
mechanics are for at least for this LPA board to get involved with you Joan on helping the executive team of Treasure Island come up with the priority list what what are we allowed to do within that is there a mechanism for us to do
that just go uh and tell somebody tells you to stop and remember the Sunshine Law me as long as we're all together doing it we could we could we could have a special meeting of the LPA to help and meet with Joan and with whoever else you
would want to invite this is the show I it's not just the show say whoever else be a part of it if it's Chuck you whoever from the city so that again it would be the mechanism for the LPA we're representing the citizenry in how we'd
go after some of that grant money to benefit the businesses and the residents here and another thing that does for your that's what we should do another thing I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you I'm sorry that does for you we'll go back to our districts and start getting buying from other the the you know folks in the
districts to say here's what's going on do you guys have any ideas so the feel part of this thing we need for this to be successful it's got to have full transparency or it's going to fall it ain't going to make it no board member um Gary P um that is part of the process
good you know again that's the expectation that Washington the state has is that you know we we come up with you know kind of the draft but we've got to turn to our community and go how do you see it yeah what did we miss you
know so the needs and GAP analysis is all part of this process too I'd like to make a request to our chairman if we could that we try to get together as a group and talk a little bit and etch out some stuff it may be bad it may be good we may step on our feet a couple times
our toes but let's get some action going and push some stuff I mean the first thing we can do is just it was a workshop with Joan and whoever Joan thinks is appropriate from the city to be a part of that well the thing is what I'd like to do and see if we can pull
in some of the owners of the property that currently uh are the problem children in this town I mean I listed them out before I know two of three I don't even know who owns the club how about opportunity children yes cuz uh
well you know the um situation is is our Gator property has been sitting empty for 10 years I mean it's it's terrible there's no doubt we've got some shortterm and long-term opportunities and our our Central business district
are down southern side of the downtown area obviously was uh demolished prior to uh the storms but now the north side is pretty much done I was just there and uh two different kinds of storms going on thank goodness foxy is still open I'm
glad they're backing business I ate there uh yesterday so Catherine what do you welcome them back barking off a bad tree what do you think well just so you know maybe this makes you feel better maybe it doesn't
but I've had a meeting today with one of those Property Owners we meet with one of the other property owners on a regular basis Joan is having conversations with the other property owner and so there's a lot going on that they're not ready to bring
sure out I guess is the best way to say it as a developer so um there is there are things going on but I'm not sure if you're and this is more of a this is her
Economic Development I'm just talking from a development you know getting it getting what they need to get it done um I think there's a a visioning a bigger picture visioning and you know
all along we've had that plan for next year in the ldrs and part of this now we've been right hit with a crisis that wants to accelerate this process but fortunately came with some money to maybe help accelerate so um you know
maybe it's a visioning meeting of the LPA and then we we were going to have to do community visioning but I think maybe you start small and then work your way out you know agree and so we can there's no reason we can't move forward with that I because I don't know that the developers want to come out in public
and talk about no I don't think any of us are asking for that want that at this point we're just saying that there's this grant block grant that's out there it's a large amount of money that penell county has received we should be proactive and that's I think that's you got a you got a lot of experience on
this LPA that could lend itself very well to what's going on and some of the Visions May dovetail into what they have or maybe they thought well hey I didn't think about that might make it a little easier on their side I don't know but somehow we got to take the straps off and say okay it isn't business isn't going to be the same as it used to be we
got to get out there and start firing this thing up so you've moved to have that done you've asked the chairman to move forward with that I I concur with that you know the thing is the one thing that I would like to see especially is there's not a whole
lot the city can do other than make the codes um favorable to Redevelopment but if the money is available out there I mean obviously it would be nice if we could take some of that block grant money you're talking about improve the
Landscaping on Central Avenue improve the uh Hardscape on Central Avenue even down there in the gator property there's a public park down there it looks terrible right now I mean short-term things we could do that's right but make
it more attractive and that might pull in you know there's only so much you can do with public monies right and uh I think what we're asking for is let's move forward as the LPA and have a special meeting sooner than later well how about a workshop meeting Workshop
meeting sooner than later with the LPA it's a public meeting so anyone can come well six months ago we had Kim Le horn in here and I thought they were pretty happy with the lpa's comments of what we as Citizens wanted and uh hopefully that
will continue on I know that was mostly for this year as soon as we got through a few other issues and then we got blindsided so I'm sure that slowed everything down a little bit so let's have I guess I would move we'd have a meeting in the next within the next two weeks that be can we schedule something
in the next two weeks um that you need to see if we can get a quorum and we've got people willing to meet because we've got a pnz meeting a week from today how about three weeks well if you want to I mean I don't mind tying meetings together I know we all
enjoy tying the meetings together tied in after the pnz meeting on the 20th that's a good deal let's do it after next week we just play if it takes a little longer takes a little longer it we may not get it'll be an initial we one of the first workshops for this it does not have to be a long meeting it
just has to be a start we'll give a chance for Joan to meet the rest of the members and and do a little brainstorming that that meeting you know and and I'm I'm going back old Street stuff thinking okay we could EAS and write some ideas on the board and just do some right quite some so Catherine do you need anything additional for us to
go forward in adding that I'm just trying to look at the mandates of your board and make sure that we're within the Richard Jersey within your com woman trying soon as we get done I'm going to bring her on and get her sworn in CU
that's and that's one thing I just wanted to say we have a new member plus another new member in the audience do we want to um bring yes we want to go ahead in and swear her in at this point go ahead and get Jennifer but I don't want to lose us uh the question on the table
about meeting next next week as a part of it go ahead oh I was going to say I agree with you no I just I I wanted to say I will make sure I at that meeting um and I wanted just to say I I think that I haven't done the sun she have a seat or
get you sworn in first let's get her sworn in and then we'll get her seat at the table yeah just uh simply because with the sunshine laws I thought that I wouldn't be able to speak with Joan privately just to find out what she's talking about with the block grant um and just let everybody here know that what you're
talking about right now is exactly what I was hoping I could help bring to the city um and the residents here is you know get get some um a short-term and a long-term vision for the um the character and Ambiance of this town um
not us making that decision but but the people of the Town collectively um that's great making that decision well let's get let's get our sworn in yeah if you would Tia go ahead and uh swear Miss Jennifer in please of course and how do you pronounce your last name so the easy
way to pronounce it is Bon and then velour like the fabric okay so Bon velour please swear her in go ahead and raise your right hand and you're going to repeat after me I state your name I Jennifer Bonar do solemnly swear do
solemnly swear that I will support protect and defend that I will support protect and defend the Constitution and government of the United States the Constitution and government of the United States and of the State of Florida and of the State of Florida that
I will that well and Faithfully perform Faithfully perform the duties on the Planning and Zoning Board and the local planning agency the duties of the Planning and Zoning Board and the local planning agency of the city of Treasure Island Florida Treasure Island Florida
on which I am about to enter of which I am about to enter so help me God so help me God thank you thank you okay why don't you come up and take a seat we'll just switch out your name plate we'll even get you a uh name plate
one of these days Joan thank you thanks Jo thank you weon no worri I have one question it might be naive forgive me but the county is sitting on this pot of money right now and they're trying to make a
determination on how to distribute it is there some formula is there some criteria by which is this like applying for a grant the municipality would do it is you know so there is a structure to how this works so everything goes down to like a county group and then there's
what they call subrecipients that um will have an agreement with the county in order to enact whatever programs initiatives that get um selected so will the county ultimately be releasing the criteria by
which they're going to make a determination no the criteria is actually pretty clear so I'll make sure that I get what I have um to Catherine so that will be help um as you finalize the time that we'll spend together on this you'll have some information make
sure we're not spinning wheels something will never happen have that so so it really is pretty clear um again the team has been we've been studying other communities that have gone through um you know disasters uh
you know again our friends down south um leak County Fort Meyers we've been studying our communities up north Panama City Panama City Beach with other hurricanes um Puerto Rico even has a pretty um
compelling um program of work around the funds that they had received because of the disasters that they've been through so we've been um studying these communities um for for a little while now so um but as an example a lot of
this work has already been done you know because we've got some some programs and projects um potentially that's already um that the community and you all have already talked about like in our Capital Improvement plan that can bring forward
you know I think the only thing that's important to remember is whatever we end up putting forward um to the cdbg funds or the hazard mitigation funds I mean there's at least eight different opportunities that we'll have um over
time as we rebuild the community together that you know it's just the commitments that we've got to make that this is best our community has said this is important to us it's going to fulfill an important need um or give us an
amazing opportunity to build in that economic um resiliency and sustainability so should something like this happen again to us you know we're ready and um the Investments strategic Investments That We're choosing to make
is is going to last thank you can I ask a petty thing when you use all these uh gbt and could you please make sure we get everything in there so we understand we're talking to other people about what it means and we can tell it to them yes the yes you know what's well the
materials that I'll show you yeah there's all of the definitions that come forward thank you for the reminder thanks board member that the acronyms drive people crazy they sure do y indeed okay hey thank you very much Jim thank
you thank you anyway reports City attorney staff or board members staff has a few things I'd like to bring up if it's my turn but wasn't there a question on the table resolved the question well the first question is whether or not we we could
add another an LPA meeting Workshop to next week's P andz meeting to have an initial discussion on direction that we would have input on priority for the block grant that has been received or
not that is under consideration so I have a question for Noah about the the purview of the local planning agency and what what they are mandated to do and I just want to make sure that we're
staying mhm in our I agree yeah so uh the lpa's jurisdiction if you want to call it that is covered by the code specifically section 7-9 it shall be the function in duty of the local planning agency to review and recommend to the city commission
adoption of amendments to the comprehensive plan new Land Development regulations as well as amendments changes modifications of existing Land Development regulations new development agreements as well as amendments changes modifications of existing development
agreements actions on rezoning applications uh so to the extent that what you're discussing goes within that jurisdiction I think it would be be an appropriate topic for a discussion to be scheduled on it would be if to the extent it's within amending the code and
the regulations in land use okay the code also does provide that the board shall perform such other functions as the city commission shall determine so if the city commission you know does a motion and an order for this board to discuss something that goes outside of that that could be an option too if
something that's brought to the commission's attention interesting and you you did say new land use right did I hear that okay land use regulations yes great well we do know that that already is coming I mean it's just a matter of
getting kimley horn in the sav I guess within the scope of what is the charge of the LPA our discussion in the workshop could be towards assisting and focusing um what
the what where the LPA has that perview or you know that um to to review or have some influence on where the priorities are that the city's going forward on Grant
applications yeah to the extent that uh affects land uh use development regulations right now yeah right but if you wanted to extend that to not beyond that to the city commission I understand so we I don't see any reason we can't
initially do this like we're on the rail we're not outside the fence so I mean you're talking about development uh and a big part of that is going to be how we regulate the land so as long as that's what you're talking about you're within your scope yes yes
yep okay uh I had a couple things first I want to thank everybody for being flexible and being here sorry did we come to agreement on whether or not we could have it sounds like we can I just wanted to put on the table that you know we're going to push this out tomorrow morning so if anybody says there wasn't
sufficient notice that there week's notice we'll make it a short it won be an action item there's no actions being there's no action so okay that's fine thanks chair do you want to excuse me did you want to add the meeting to the next pnz so immediately following the
pnz immediately following I mean we've done that that's what we generally do so that's fine nothing else we can figure we can understand what we can actually do within the purview of the LPA it's just a matter of uh I'll Forge you thee make sure that c Catherine can come up
with something for us to talk about I know we all know what we want it's just uh what can the LPA do as a board to uh facilitate the Redevelopment of some of the problem children we were talking
about maybe what we come out with is that part of this is we need to go to the city commission to get a broader charge I agree with that Chris so okay okay so I appreciate everybody being flexible having this meeting today really was about this ordinance today is
getting this done as quickly as possible some some businesses can get open before spring break and so that's that was the real push on this um the other thing I just wanted to know let everybody know because we have a lot of new members on
our board is we are in the midst of a one-year update to Our Land Development regulations that is to bring them in compliance with the comp plan that was adopted last June and under state law we have one year to adopt anything to bring
the ldrs in compliance with the comp plan and then we have a phase two of that project which was this visioning and things that we wanted that we've always wanted to do for years um for those of you who don't know we were
extremely deficient with our comp plan and our ldrs they have not been updated in Forever um we had our comp plan done two years ago adopted and the state legislature passed legislation 5 days 10 days later saying anything that had been
adopted since hurricane Ian which went back nine months um that could be considered more restrictive or burdensome was not it didn't exist so we had to go back through an entire whole year of reopt the same exact comp
plan so um so we we're a year behind where we had hoped to be uh but we do have programmed into the city as this like bigger larger visioning of what the city wants to be we did not want to bring
in things that would derail this first year of things that we have to do like discussions in the city of things like density and height have always been kind of a third rail item so we didn't want to bring that into a set of amendments that had to be done so we wanted to save
that have this bigger community visioning so this all kind of is fitting in with this Economic Development money this post hurricane so everything has changed as we all know and this is not what any of us expected but um we did
have a plan to to do this bigger visioning uh it's just uh it was derailed by the state legislature and then derailed Again by the hurricane so that's where we are we are still working with kimley horn which is our consultant on the Land Development regulations um
so we're going to have a lot of um work to do over the next few months to get that through and look at all of those ordinances that are in the process of being updated so there is a a big package of ordinances that will be coming forward um just to kind
of a modernize our code our code as you may or may not know is a whole bunch of very very old codes that have been kind of glued together and they have a lot of internal discrepancies so we're cleaning
up and modernizing at the same time Without Really changing policy at this point so we're just trying to make it a userfriendly code that people can use to build things with and to know what to do and have shity going
forward um we kind of uh touched on the vacancies on the board uh we were touching on that earlier um Tia could you restate that we have a alternate position being that we'll advertise now yes so currently we have an alternate
position that is open okay and then we it's an at large position right an at large alternate large alternate position I'm actually the at large I think has you are at large the alternate position is also at large got it okay so yes we had been ask if there was a an opening
and there is yes because okay and then um the other thing that we were asked to discuss um was the noise ordinance and that was um one of the members of the board had asked if we could consider um
construction hours so um and give some guidance as to whether we think they they weren't a change temporary change long range change hurricane related change we've made some changes like this other ordinance today which is time
limited uh right now cons there's I handed out what's called Section 18-7 3 which is specific acts considered to be unreasonably loud and rockus and um basically there are two things related to construction here
number two which is like pile drivers and similar and then number 10 which it talks about construction specifically so if we want to talk about construction specifically you can have noise
construction noise between 700 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. except on Sundays so that's the existing hours um which are pretty pretty consistent with other cities I looked at St Pete I believe is
7 to 7 5 days a week 8 to 6 Saturday and 9 to 5 on Sunday or something like that so um and is it no construction noise then on Sundays yes okay what it is Chris since I had a house go up next
door um if you're working inside and it's quiet yeah on a Su go for it but if you're using p drivers on a Sunday or concrete cells on a Sunday that doesn't really fly very well and uh the law as it currently
exists I think it's pretty good I mean it's it's Monday through uh Saturday go for it and the situation is you know you don't want to draw out the construction of these houses any longer than it needs to be and uh it's
pretty reasonable like it is I don't see any reason for change okay I just you you would ask so I just wanted to bring it up to the board if there was any thoughts about that I just have one question regarding that just because like everybody else we have a lot of construction going on because there
hasn't because of the hurricane and uh a couple weeks ago we had for a few days it wasn't the whole time for a few days some of the workers were blasting their radio I didn't call anybody about but blasting their radio so that you
could you know this the water Echoes the sound and it was all day long for a few days is that something that is okay or I'm just curious because I I just think that um that might become
an issue for some people being that some of the residents um and I know that workers tend to do that just to keep themselves going yeah yeah item when this sheet relates to it yeah there is a restriction but it's even less it's
11:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. prohib prohibition you know and question right now I mean it's allowable I mean once again I use myself as an example I don't have any trouble going over next door and saying would you turn that damn
thing down and uh you know the thing is this is a built out City we're not building new subdivisions we're building individual houses and there's going to be a lot of them and uh but I think you bring common courtesy you bring up a pretty good point though I mean what is the rule for level of
noise during the hours when it is allowed with radios for instance I mean there is a still a reasonableness I guess that's what I'm trying to find in this document I don't see it well I didn't bring you the whole noise ordinance um but basically I can tell
you from my experience and the police would probably say the same thing if they were here it is very very difficult to to enforce noise ordinances right um it's uh and our code refers you to the
Panels County code for um how it is determined and um I used to know all this one moment well while you're looking I will tell you there was a lot of years where we would have a uh a police officer come
down with his debel meter and check on kki lot of years and I will say that it is a police matter because you have to call them at the time of the event because there's absolutely nothing that they can do so we're only looking before or after it happens but again they have
to witness it what we're looking at right now is just this issue of after hours or but with regard to when no you're still allowed to play radios and have music whatever playing but there's still a reasonableness thing that the police can get involved if it's
considered a nuisance and that's written somewhere else I guess correct yeah that's actually in the um and I think that's what you I believe that's is the piece that goes to the pinel's County ordinance um that's fine we don't have to go as
long as it's covered but the enforcement yes it's a it's a decimal meter and it it has to be at the time of of the event but we don't need to change anything that we have right now that's the point right I forget what the exact decibel level is but I heard something in the
range of 160 de very loud it's loud I mean I was there what's it in my younger days many days where you see the guy oh W look at that there's the police with this deciel meter at I can't imagine Richard so I had something I that's not
on the agenda I just had a question for Katherine if I could um could you Katherine could you bring us up to date on are there any existing special zoning districts within Treasure Island today or or uh that are planned districts um
that have are applied in this within the city limits at this point and what is the process in the future as part of the Redevelopment of Treasure Island that districts like that could play a role in the process for them being implement it
I that's two questions really I said one yeah so basically our whole downtown and what's called the pmu gulf bouard are um what are called plan Redevelopment mixed use districts um those were approved I'll come back with exact
numbers but over a very long period of time it took like 16 year 10 years to go from initial planning to adoption of the actual ordinances that Implement that um and so they were allowed to have greater density and intensity and to stack that
density and intensity because it was a mixed use district there are a lot of regulations about increasing re residential density on the Barrier Island and you cannot do that as a standalone item um because of evacuation
hurricanes uh the countywide plan limits increasing density on the Barrier Islands unless you do it through what's called like a special area plan like our downtown okay so they went through an entire planning process of mixed use walkable
neighborhood things to get this higher basically we have the highest density in what is called the pr mu core right which is right along 107th and then we have the pr mu Gulf Boulevard that is
These Wings it actually ends here at this site and goes up to um 10 106 and then on the north side of downtown it goes from um where the mobile where the gas
station is North up to it stops just at Waffle House waffle house actually opted out of that planning district and now it's not happy that they're not in it okay because they don't have that density and intensity so that's two of them yes so
two districts that they went through this special planning process okay um to to increase the density and they have what's called stackable density so they have the density of Hotel plus residential plus commercial okay as compared to
say this way it would only have one of those okay you you could it might be you could have two different ones but you would not stack them and what is the process for changing that any of these pmus going forward you would have to uh
update your special area plan through a long public planning process and go through back through um a future land use or zoning change P perhaps y depending on what what you're changing sure um update your future land use
element your comp plan and your um zoning so several allow those things but it can be changed oh yeah it could be but I do not know that you are going to end up with more density well that brings would be the
question that brings up the great question of I know that Ronda santz was working with the owner of the Miami Dolphins and this uh I don't know how far it went but he said as far as having referendums for changing height and density in the State of Florida is now
off the board is there that passed as a law last year that you in Treasure Island until this law was passed in I believe it was effect of July 1st um required the voters put this in in 20 and don't quote me on the year 2016 2017
when they tried to increase the density on the beach um they put a a clause into our Land Development regulations that said that any increase of height and density would go to a referendum of the voters so you can see that why there was
no changes to height and density from 2017 until 2024 and July 1st 2024 the governor signed into law a caveat that said there will be no more referend voter referendums on height and density so now it would still go through
typical rezoning or or you know change to the Land Development regulations and the C plan for density would still go through a to typical process if it's comp plan related it's going to go through the county it's got to match the countywide plan or amend the county wide
plan and you know goes through the whole process if it's comp plan goes to the state as well um would come through the LPA you know through the commission and would be voted on so the citizens still
have right that same say that they had through I just appreciate that because I don't know if our Board of members here I wasn't aware that we actually had two of these pmus already that have been designated see all that information just brought out most people that we're being
we're being shafted so there are safeguards built in but until you understand the safeguards most residents don't understand that yeah yeah that's good thank you I was wondering if we could get a roster email to every board member just
to so we'd be up up to date I have a roster it's about 5 years old I think uh well Lyn Fisher and a bunch of other people are still on it probably has I have a roster I can send it out if you could just email it to every board
member that way you know some of us want to stay on the board some of us want to retire you know and uh but you do if you want to stay here fill out the form I mean you know it's uh kind of interesting knowing what's going coming down the pike in the city of Treasure
Island and um you know like I was saying at one of the commission meetings we have a lot of expertise on this board we have uh three professional engine engineers and a bunch of other people with real high experience and
uh I think that uh we really do at this point uh have gained the attention of the uh current commission and I want to make sure we stay in that position because we're about to have several new board members yes several new commission
members commission members I think you mean okay anything else our next uh LPA meeting we do have a Planning and Zoning meeting next tues next Thursday at uh 2:00 we have three cases you should have
gotten your packets emailed to you today um next LPA meeting will be let's try to make it uh March 20th if we can cuz I'm not going to be here on the 13th okay um
but that would be nice to tie it into pnz on the 20th followed by LPA okay if we have anything for LPA we will try to schedule as long as we don't have too many pnz cases okay oh and Joan you're the only one in the
uh audience any other comment love to uh meet you with you oneon-one sometime I spent uh 40 years in the land development business so I built a few shopping centers in my lifetime okay anybody got anything else
welcome to the board Jennifer um looking forward to well won't we take a minute and just tell us about yourself a little bit your field of expertise your occupation anything else you want to share uh where do you live I live uh in Isa
Palms um I moved here in about 200 and uh 16 and we um we started building our property shortly thereafter um and uh I
was elected um in a previous life I guess I was elected as a Town Council woman up in Rhode Island um there was a city of 20,000 uh I was a longstanding member before and after of the Planning and Zoning Board as well as the Conservation
Commission and other appointments on other commissions um I have been in the um pharmaceutical industry for 35 years and am soon to retire from
that um two adult children and and a husband and a cat and a dog and my adult children one lives in Rhode Island and one lives in New York City well I just hope you did well on uh hurricane Helen and welcome to the board thank you and
would you guys mind gentlemen mind uh sharing as well so I could get to know you a little bit better go ahead Gary okay we'll just come down to the table Gary penano um I've been involved with the group now for three years uh I come
from a host of industrial business uh Cummins GE all power generation generators large industrial projects u i was a first responder in 911 coordinated all that um so uh many facets of the
industrial industrial World manufacturing Jennifer I'm Grant Smith I live on Sunset Beach um currently a statistics professor in the past life I worked in mergers and Acquisitions and operations management for Florida
progress which is now Duke Energy in between there I owned a a consulting company that did FDA submissions on behalf of the medical device in pharmaceutical industry 15 years it all comes together I'm Chris Downing I also live
on Pals um as was mentioned earlier number of the members I'm I'm also a professional engineer mechanical engineer and have a a long background in facility engineering and also in Economic Development and Entrepreneurship uh work at the University level doing that type of work
for many years um and I've been on this board for just over three years as an alternate and just now as a u as of today a regular member of congratulations happy to have you on board too thank you and I'm Richard haris I've been out here as a Treasure
Island resident for about 38 years and did a little volunteer work along the way my specialty is uh I'm a Land Development uh civil engineer got my Professional Engineers uh registration
back in ' 86 and uh did a lot of subdivisions in shopping centers so uh hopefully I can use that expertise and help us help our uh Central business district a little bit is he
some teing one down today 86 that must be Yellow by now is it I went by there and looked at the old house spend a lot of hours in that Bank of America building when it was uh there and so weird to see these things coming down it was coming down on my way here my wife used to work there wow so it's
interesting yeah okay any other comment or can we have a motion to adjourn make a motion we adjourn okay thank you for