[Music] fire. [Music] [Music] All right. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the regular meeting of the
Tucker Burough Council on October 20th. 2025. Adam Mark, would you please read the open public meetings act statement? >> Yes. Provisions of the open public meeting act have been complied with this notice was published in the beacon and the park trust stating the time date placed this meeting.
>> Thank you. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Breand, >> Mr. Martin >> here. >> Mr. >> Here, >> Mr. Dmore >> here. >> Mr. Deree >> here. >> Mr. Peterson is not here this evening. And Mayor Marshall >> here. Thank you. All right, everyone.
Please stand for the flag. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
We're going to start tonight by appointing Tyler to sergeant. Let's go. >> So, who reads that? >> Okay. Resolution of the Burough of Tucker County of Ocean State of New Jersey appointing Tyler Galano as
sergeant for the Burough of Tucker Police Department. I so move this resolution. >> Second. >> Okay, I have a motion and a second. Roll call vote. >> Mr. Brilland. >> Yes. >> Mr. Martin? >> Yes. >> Mr. Angelo? >> Yes. >> Mr. Deore? >> Yes. >> Mr. Dra? >> Yes. >> Thank you.
Get this. Okay. Here we go. >> So, do we have help in this set? >> All right, let's stand where everybody can see. There we go. Okay, raise your right hand. All right, and repeat after me. I state your name. I, Tyler Galgano,
>> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey >> that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same
>> that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same >> and the governments established >> and the governments established >> in the United States >> in the United States >> and in this state >> and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people. >> And that I will faithfully
>> And that I will faithfully >> impartially >> impartially >> and justly perform >> justly per and justly perform >> all the duties >> all the duties >> of the office of police sergeant >> of the office of police sergeant
>> according to the best of my ability. >> according to the best of my ability. >> So help me God. >> So help me God. >> Congratulations. [Applause] And you have to sign this and then I'll sign Okay, thank you very much. Thank you so
much. Congratulations. >> We are all so proud of our police department >> and it just looks wonderful to see all of you standing back there and thank you so much for coming out. >> We support each other, don't we?
>> Absolutely. Marshall, >> can I just amend the police real quick and thank him because uh I've res and they're always visible. Credit to you, Chief Al. I see the men and women out there makes us feel safe anyway and and they're nice in a
proactive way. I just want to give them a little shout out. [Applause] So they do it. >> Excellent. my next sure. That's fine. Thank you. >> All right. Next, I have a Oh, God. Where did everybody go?
I have a proclamation to read and I would like my library friends to come. This is National Friends of Libraries Week and this is a proclamation from October 20th, 2025.
Whereas, Friends of the Library raise money that enables our library to move from good to great, providing resources for additional programming, muchneeded equipment, and support of children's summer reading and special events
throughout the year. Whereas the work of the friends highlights an ongoing basis the fact that our library is the cornerstone of our community providing opportunities for all to engage in the
joy of lifelong learning and connect with the thoughts and ideas of others from ages past to present. Whereas the friends understand the critical importance of well-funded libraries, right, and advocate to ensure
that our library gets the resources it needs to provide a wide variety of services to all ages, including access to print and electronic materials along with expert assistance in research,
readers advisory, and children's services. Whereas the friends gifts of their time and commitment to the library sets an example for all in how volunteerism tends leads to positive civic engagement
and the betterment of our community. Now done. Now therefore, be it resolved that the Burrow of Tucker proclaims October 19 through 25, 2025 as Friends of
Libraries Week in Tucker, Ocean County, New Jersey, and urges everyone to join the Friends of the Library and thank them for all they do to make our library and community much better. And I have signed this and I'm going to
give this to Ellen who is our librarian in Tupperton. If you've been there, you would have seen her. And then we have Karen Aean on the end who is the president of the library trustees which I am also a member of. And we have one
of our members also. >> Could you say your name please? >> Lyn Haley. >> Lyn Haley. Great. Okay. So we're done. Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you for everything that you do. You're welcome.
>> And thank you also. I've been on the library boards for a lot of years and um I promise those ladies if they came at 7:00 they could leave it afterwards and there they go. I like I love working with the library.
I think libraries are very important as a teacher. We teach children to use the library and I know that ours has had a lot of kids coming in and out throughout the years particularly in the summertime there's activities for them and I hope
that each and every one of you have somehow at some time visited our library and if you haven't um what's the address it's kind of back in in the center of town and I'm not sure >> three three Bay
>> Bay Avenue. So, you have to go down to Bay Avenue and there's the library. It's in an older building that was donated to us and it's been fixed up and added on and uh it's also part of the Ocean County Library system as well. So, now
we're ready to go on and I'll start with legislation. Councilman Breland. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have one resolution tonight affirming the civil rights policy. I have a resolution to affirm the Burough Tucker civil rights policy with respect to all officials, appointees,
employees, prospective employees, volunteers, independent contractors, and members of the public that come into contact with municipal employees. Officials and volunteers. And I so move this resolution. >> Second. >> Okay. I have a motion and a second on this resolution as read. We do a roll
call vote. >> Mr. Breand, >> yes. >> Mr. Martin, >> yes. >> Mr. Mr. Langelo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dmore. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dupra. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> That's all I have this evening until law and public safety. >> All right. Fine. Thank you. Um finance
tonight. Uh Councilman Martin, you get the the prize for having the most >> resolutions to read. >> Plus, I have one that's not on the agenda. Tonight I have uh five resolutions and I'll be rereading or or readdopting ordinance number five um
that we did last council meeting. >> So for my first resolution, it's for the payment of claims and this month we had $257,560.95. Uh we had no big tax levies going out to the schools or the county this month, which is good. But I did want to point
out uh 51,000 for the new police SUV, 58,000 for the new F uh 350 utility truck for public works, and then in keeping with uh your proclamation, we also had our annual contribution of
$5,000 go out to the uh Tucker Library this period. So >> good. Excellent. in keeping with your importance of funding right >> the uh library we we've made our annual contribution or will be going out um >> that's great >> so with that I have a resolution of the
bureau of Tucker County motion state of New Jersey authorizing payment of claims in the amount of $257,560.95 and I move this resolution >> second >> all right I have a motion and a second on this resolution roll call vote please >> Mr. Bland yes >> Mr. Martin yes
>> Mr. Yes, >> Mr. Bemore. >> Yes, >> Mr. D. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Uh for my uh next resolution, um we had our GIF insurance had recommended a couple verbiage changes to
our personnel uh procedures manual and employee handbook. Um it's really is just a couple verbiage things >> going along with it. four changes. So, I have a resolution of the Burrow of Tucker County of Ocean State of New
Jersey adopting revisions to the burough's personnel policies and procedures manual and the employee handbook. And I move this resolution second. >> All right. Thank you. I have a motion and a second on this resolution as read. Roll call vote, please. Mr. Brand, >> yes.
>> Mr. Martin, >> yes. >> Mr. Kangelo, >> yes. >> Mr. Dear, >> yes. Mr. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh my next resolution is to create a dedication by Ryder for solid waste and recycling cans. I have a resolution of
the Burrow of Tucker County motion state of New Jersey requesting approval of a dedication by Ryder in accordance with NJSA4A 4-39 for the acceptance of donations and the appropriation of the same for the solid waste and recycling container
fine/replacement fund. And I move this resolution second. All right, we have a motion and a second on this resolution. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Bland, >> yes. >> Mr. Martin, >> yes. >> Mr. Kangelo, >> yes. >> Mr. Yes. >> Mr. Dra? >> Yes.
>> Thank you. >> Uh, next I have um a resolution to cancel the 2025 taxes due to uh the 100% disabled veteran exemption. I have a resolution of the Burough of Tucker
County motion state of New Jersey authorizing the tax collector to cancel 2025 taxes due on a property granted the 100% disabled veteran exemption and refund the resulting credit balance and
this is for block 79 lot 17 and I move this resolution second. >> All right, I have a motion and a second on this resolution. Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Bland, >> yes. >> Mr. Martin, >> yes. >> Mr. Yes, >> Mr. Dra. >> Yes. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. Um, as I said, I'm going to be uh readopting ordinance number five. We are not opening to the public for comment because we did that last meeting. So, I have an ordinance of the burrow of Taran in the county of Ocean
State of New Jersey providing for acquisition of a trash/recycling truck and appropriating $330,000. Therefore, in providing for the issuance of $313,500 in bonds or notes of the Burrow of
Tucker to finance the same and this ordinance on second reading, I guess third >> read. >> Read adoption. >> Second. >> Okay. There's a motion and a second on this as presented public. >> Mr. Breand Martin, yes.
>> Mr. Kangelo, yes. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dupra, >> yes. Thank you. And then I do have one more resolution that is not on the agenda. Um at the last uh pine 4th of July fireworks committee
um we did vote to hold another fireworks show on January 1st of this year. So I have a resolution of the burough of Tucker County of motion state of New Jersey authorizing the display of fireworks for the Peland's Fourth of July celebration committee on New Year's
Day. And I move this resolution second. >> All right. I have a motion and a second on this presented. Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Bland, yes. >> Mr. Martin, yes. >> Mr. Pangelo, yes. Mr. Dear, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> And madame mayor, that is all I have
until committee reports. >> Okay. Fine. Thank you. >> So, we're moving on to public works, water, and sewer. Council President Kangel. >> Thank you, your honor. I'll be reading four resolutions this evening. The first of which has to do with authorizing a
road opening on King King Fisher and that is to uh reconnect the gas service. The second and the third have to do with appointing a public works laborer, one of whom started today. The other will start on November the 10th and their
salary will be uh authorized by the uh agreement that they have with the union. And finally, we're going to authorize the mechanic shared services agreement that will be with Lil Harbor. I have a few announcements. Firstly, the public
works will be closed Tuesday, November the 4th, election day. It'll also be closed November the 11th, Veterans Day. And finally, at the end of uh November, that'll be the Thanksgiving Day, Thursday. And by contract, uh the next
day, which is the 28th, that's a Thursday and Friday. And for future reference, the public works yard will close Sundays only starting the first Sunday in December. have a resolution in Burough Tucker County votes in the state of New Jersey
authorizing approval of a road opening permit on King Fisher Road for block 112 lot 42 and granting relief under section 419-15 of the burough code and I move this resolution second. >> I have a motion and a second
uh permit as presented. We'll call vote please. >> Mr. Bland, >> yes. >> Mr. Martin, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dra, >> yes. Have resolution the Burough Tucker County motion state of New Jersey appointing Christopher Stankowski as
full-time labor in the public works department. I move this resolution. >> Second. >> Okay, I have a motion and a second appointing a public works uh labor. Roll call vote, please. Mr. Breand, >> yes. >> Mr. Martin, >> yes. >> Mr. Kangelo, >> yes. >> Mr. Nemore, yes.
>> Mr. I have a resolution in Burough Tucker County State of New Jersey appointing Gavin Bell as a full-time lever in the public works department. I move this resolution second. >> Okay. I have a motion and a second appointing Gin Bell to the uh public
works department. Roll call vote, please. Mr. Rland, >> yes. >> Mr. Martin, >> yes. >> Mr. Kangelo, >> yes. >> Mr. Demore, >> yes. >> Mr. I have a resolution in the Bur Tucker and County of Ocean State of New Jersey authorizing the execution of a shar shared service agreement with the
township of Little A Harbor for the services of a mechanic and I move this resolution. >> Second. >> Okay, I have a motion and a second on this resolution as read. We'll call vote, please. >> Mr. Brilland, >> yes. >> Mr. Martin, >> yes. >> Mr. Kangelo, >> yes. >> Mr. Mr.
>> Yes. >> Thank you. Okay, >> that's all I have here. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. That is a lot. Let's go on to public buildings and grounds and community affairs council. >> Thank you, mayor. I have one resolution.
The resolution reads as the resolution of the Burough of Tucker, County of Ocean, State of New Jersey, authorizing a voluntary contribution for RB Emergency Consulting LLC to do consulting services to Great Bay
Regional EMS for years 2025 and 2026 in accordance with the NJSA 40 col 5-2. I so move this. >> Second. >> All right. I have a motion and a second on this resolution as presented. Roll call vote, please.
>> Mr. Wheeling. >> Yes. >> Mr. Martin? >> Yes. >> Mr. Kangelo? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Mr. D. >> Abstain. >> Thank you. >> You finished? >> Yes, that's all I have. >> Okay, fine. Next, we go to administration and regulation.
Councilman. >> Hi, your honor. I have a couple things on the agenda for this evening. First, I would like to see if any council members have any changes, additions, or corrections they'd like to make to last month's edits. There being none, I so move that we
accept the minutes as written. >> Second. >> Okay. I have a motion and a second to accept the minutes from the September 15th meeting. Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Bringing, >> yes. >> Mr. Martin, yes. >> Mr. Kango, yes. >> Mr. Mr. Dford, >> yes. Thank you. and that does include
the executive session that's included. I also would like to uh bring up the fact that uh we had uh one of our worst storms since Supertorm Sandy hit the area, not just Tucker Beach, but
Paradise Cove and the surrounding low areas. Uh we had a premeating when everybody else was just talking about the storm. We actually had an agenda meeting going on here at Pearl Hall uh going over our strategies and also our assets that we have that we had
available in case there was a a major catastrophe. It being one of the worst storms we've had, we did have major flooding and we did put out many alerts to the neighbors down in uh both Tucker Beach and
Paradise Cove to put your vehicles in higher areas of the town. We stated where the emergency parking was at. Um, and I thank the TBA for putting that word out for us. Uh, without their work, we would have a lot of, uh, swamped
vehicles to be dealing with. And, uh, we really thank them for that. Also, uh, Paul Solommani for his help in securing a private ramp for, uh, emergency boat, uh, installation. So, if we have an emergency, we need to get a
boat from uh the fire and EMS out in the bay. Uh he secured a private uh ramp for us to use, and we so appreciate that. And also appreciate um the Paradise Cove Association for uh getting the word out
as well with the flooding situation. And that's we uh we wound up having two fire calls in Tucker Beach and both were met with and I got to thank the Tucker Police Department chief his guys. Awesome. They they've done an outstanding job. They were there with us
every step of the way with the town's high water vehicle along with Parkin Town Volunteer Fire Company. Chief Ronza, uh he had standby crews 247 in case we needed it. Also, Chief Dave Inman from Squad 85. He only managed to
have one EMS call and we did have to evacuate in a uh high order vehicle and that was taken care of and met with SWAT 85. So it went off without a hitch. We had a lot of planning, a lot of behind the scenes that most people didn't see.
So I thank the community for uh heeding our warning. This was unlike any flood we had ever since Sandy. And there were a couple people who may not have gotten the word or just assume it's just going to be another nor easter and they parked by uh Tucker Beach Barn Grill and
unfortunately those vehicles were there days after and one battery vehicle uh the lights started going on and that created an actual hazard where it had to be uh neutralized as far as the batteries disconnecting. Uh so that was
uh one issue that we did have. But uh anyhow uh again thank you to uh both TVA and also Carise Code Association for their their help with that. And that's all I have. >> All right. Very good. It was
>> I I saw the uh sheriff the what do they call the shirt? >> Sure. >> Yeah. I saw that out and about. That was that was you know cool to see that thing actually in use other than just in a you know in the Fourth of July parade or something to see that out going through the high water. actually helped us uh
evacuate or actually rejoin people to their houses because people that had to go to work had no way of getting back because they couldn't drive through that three-foot river. So, both the sheriff and their sheriff and also Parkertown Fire Company and police department >> were able to bring people back to their
houses safely. And we always can't emphasize this enough, never drive on flooded roads because you don't know what's underneath that water. Thank you for uh mentioning Okay. I was going to add that it's been a while been a long time since we've had to get together and you did an excellent
job of calling the meeting and and getting everyone uh on the same page and keeping everyone informed and thank you for that. >> I appreciate that. >> Good job. >> All right, moving on to number 11, law and public safety. Uh, Councilman
Greenland, you're going to be reading for Councilman Peterson. >> Thank you, Mrs. Mayor. Uh, I have three resolutions and then the police department's monthly activity report. First off, I have resolution of the Burough of Tucker, County of Ocean, State of New Jersey, appointing Bennett
Senzary and alternate crossing guard in the bur of Tucker. And I so move this resolution. >> Second. >> All right. I have a motion and a second to appoint a crossing guard. Um, an alter crossing guard. Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Bland, >> yes. >> Mr. Martin,
>> yes. >> Mr. Kangelo, >> yes. >> Mr. Moore, >> yes. >> Mr. >> And next, I have a resolution for emergency lighting company to install um emergency lights on two police vehicles.
The amount is $7,384 per vehicle for a total of $14,768. And the resolution of the burough of Tucker County of Ocean, State of New Jersey, awarding the contract to JC Emergency Lighting Company for emergency lights
equipment to be installed to two police vehicles. And I so move this resolution. Second. >> Okay. And a motion to second on this resolution as presented. Roll call vote, please. Uh, Mr. Brilland, >> yes. >> Mr. Martin, >> yes.
>> Mr. Kangelo, >> yes. >> Mr. Demar, >> yes. >> Mr. Dra, >> yes. Thank you. >> Next, I have a resolution of the Burough of Tucker County of Ocean, State of New Jersey, authorizing the execution of a shared services agreement with the county of motion for driving while
intoxicated enforcement program, the drug recognition expert callout program, and the move over law enforcement program. And I so move this resolution. Second. All right, we have a motion and a second on this resolution. Roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Bland, >> yes.
>> Mr. Martin, >> yes. >> Mr. Kangelo, >> yes. >> Mr. Bear, yes. Mr. >> Yes. >> And then for the police department's monthly activity report. Um, in the month of September, we had 272
calls for service, 12 arrests, 151 motor vehicle stops, 54 motor vehicle summons, 12 motor vehicle accidents, 34 medical calls, and 21 suspicious persons vehicle checks. And that's all I have this.
>> Okay. Thank you very much. We're very busy, aren't we, Chief? Lots of time. something's going on and we are so lucky to have such a good police force that's there for us. >> Thanks. >> All right. Uh, next is the mayor's forum
and um we got a letter from the mayor of the city of Port Republic and I'm going to ask Mr. Gilmore to read this. >> Thank you, mayor. This letter is from Monica Gibson. She's the mayor in uh Port Republic.
On behalf of the city of Port Republic and the Port Republic Volunteer Fire Company, we extend our heartfelt gratitude for your generous donation of the fire truck to our community. Your thoughtful contribution will significantly enhance our emergency
response capabilities and help ensure safety and well-being of our residents. The addition of the apparat apparatus strengthens our ability to serve and protect and it stands as a testament to the spirit of cooperation and goodwill that exists between our neighbors and
neighboring communities. We deeply appreciate your support and generosity. It is through partnerships like ours that we continue to build resiliency and caring communities. Please accept sincere thanks for your commitment to
public safety and for your continued friendship. Sincerely, Monica Gibson. >> All right. Thank you very much. And they certainly appreciated our contribution and that's good
donation rather. So, uh I think that's it. I'm going to go on to Mr. Cons. >> Mayor, I have nothing. >> Oh, okay. and clerk. >> Um the first uh thing I have is every
year the um chief financial officer and myself fill out a best practice survey where it asks different various questions dealing with the trends that are happening in municipalities. Uh you know that we are watching what we're spending, what type of things we're
doing, uh making sure our websites are up to date. uh various questions that each year it's some of them are the same, some of them are not. And what it dictates is depending on how you answer the questions is how much state aid you gets back. So this year we answered the
best practice and we do get 100% of our state aid from the state of New Jersey. So we are in compliance for for this year. Um, the next thing I have is a letter of resignation from uh Fred
Connelly Jr. Um, please accept this letter as a formal notification on my attentions intention to resign from my position as sanitary public works uh worker. He appreciates the years of service. He just feels um that it's time to move on
and I just need an acceptance of his letter of resation. I'm going to accept the letter. >> Okay. I have a motion and a couple of seconds that we accept this with. >> Roll call. Please. >> Mr. Veland. >> Yes. >> Mr. Martin. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Kangelo. Yes. >> Mr. Nemore. Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> And um that was all I had. Okay. Thank you very much. We'll go on to our where is it? Committee reports. Mr. Martin,
you're up again. >> Okay. Uh, for the pride and celebration, I have a couple uh things I wanted to do. Number one, in our last meeting, um, we received a letter from Penny Hughes at the Tucker Food Pantry. So, I just
wanted to share this letter. Uh, it says, "Dear Pride and Celebration Committee, thank you so much for your generous donation of $936 to our food pantry. We appreciate your kindness and willingness to help individuals and families in our community who are
suffering from food insecurity. In these difficult economic times, more and more our neighbors are requesting our help. Your contribution is a welcome gift enabling us to keep our shelves full and everyone fed. Sincerely, Penny Hughes. Um, the reason I really wanted to read
it is while it's addressed to the Pride and Celebration Committee, it's really the residents of the burrow and, you know, I guess some little some little legs in there as well, but it's from the collections that we took up during the Friday night concerts. Um, I had
mentioned I think last time that between the TBA's concerts and their um, you know, donations that they gathered for the food pantry, the summer concerts between the two groups brought in over $2,000 to the food pantry. And that's
just, you know, walking around saying if you can give, you can give. So, I think it's fantastic that we have such a caring and giving community um, that, you know, comes out and does stuff like that. So, while like I say, while Penny addressed it to the Pride and Celebration Committee, I think it's
should be addressed to the the community and to the residents who donated. So, I thank everyone that did donate for that. Um, second thing I have for Pride and Celebration is we're going to be trying something new this year for Halloween.
So on October 30th, which is the evening before Halloween, I found out it's also called goosey night. I had never heard goosey night before. We call I've always called it mischief night, but Rene Renee calls it Renee calls it goosey night.
>> Um we're going to be holding uh just a small event over at the All Wars Memorial Ball Field. Um Nancy and Brian Peterson are going to be doing a lot of decorating, getting it done. We're going to be doing a pumpkin carving contest where it'll be your
pre-carved pumpkins. You can bring them down. We're going to display them all on the stage and there'll be prizes and awards given out. We also have the Tucker Historical Society coming to tell I call them ghost stories. They're not ghost stories in the sense of a
traditional ghost story where they're spooky and scary. They're stories told about historical figures from the area in the past, but the historical society is going to be telling them as the ghosts of those people telling their own stories. Um, so that's on Thursday,
October 30th from 6:00 to 8:00 and that'll be at the All Wars Memorial Ball Field. We do have that up on the Pride and Celebration Facebook page as well as some flyers going up around town. Um everybody is welcome to attend that. Uh and then the final thing is we are
working on uh ye old Christmas which will be the first Saturday in December. And for some reason I never get it right. It's December 5th or 6th without looking at my calendar. 6th. It's the first Saturday in December. Um we'll have
horserawn carriage rides again. Um we've confirmed that Santa Claus will make it down from the North Pole for that. We have uh a bunch more Dickens characters this year coming from Pinelands. I believe we have 25 Dickens characters
coming this year and they're also adding some singing to their repertoire. So, they're going to be doing some stuff like that. Um I know the Methodist church has confirmed a live nativity, so it'll be a good event. Oh, and we'll be lighting the uh Christmas tree on the
lake uh that evening at 7 o'clock as well. and Stewarts will still be open actually even for that. So, um I'll have more details to come at the next council meeting, but I just wanted to start getting people I hate thinking about
Christmas before Halloween, but I want to get it out there and uh make that known. >> What time is the tree lighting? >> 7 p.m. >> 7. Okay. >> Probably written down a hundred different places, too. This is good. Um
thank you very much. for everything that you do and and putting all these things together and uh explaining it to everyone. I think we're we're in for a good Halloween and then uh within after November, the beginning of December, the
Christmas walk, which is always one of my favorite things uh in town. So, that's great. All right. Does anyone else have any other reports? >> I have a a couple, your honor. I just got the uh fire and EMS report. They
were held up in a uh long >> okay >> meeting this evening and I just got the uh the numbers now. So for the month of September we had seven fire calls in the burrow and 22 EMS
and that was it for that. And then uh also I had the uh construction and zoning enforcement report very briefly. Um we had uh 70 uh inspections that were performed.
Three bulkhead, 15 plumbing, 33 electric. Three complaints and four zoning complaints. And then on-site inspections were 22 violation notices sent were nine. Working violations were five violations cleared were four. Uh we
received 15 phone complaints and one housing inspection and then two opra requests. And uh that being said, uh we also had the environmental committee meeting uh earlier in the month. And uh
Beth Garvin, >> oh I'm ready, >> has some things she'd like to share. And I will not steal her thunder. >> You can have all my thunder. >> Thunder from down under. All I know is the best thing I learned is you're working on the budget now for
next year for my friend Garrett. Uh so we had a pretty active meeting last month. Oh, there it is. Okay. October 9th, uh we discussed a lot of things and we're working on a bunch of stuff. Um we picked tenative dates for
our next adopt the highway. We are for uh through the New Jersey clean organization. Um we're obligated to three per year. >> So we're going to you know decide on the three that we picked to be easy. Um
we're working on getting students like high school students and maybe some scouts involved for their like community service. Been a good turnout. We're not we're not a skanky town. I mean, what is it mostly like? Fireball bottles, cigarette butts,
and assorted other things, but it's not that terrible. Um, it's Garrett's fault. Uh, we're we're resurrecting the rain barrel project that I believe started before I was even on the environmental
commission in conjunction with the Pine Shores Art Association by their students. It's been sitting in the Pine Shores Art Building for a while. I think it needs a lid, some special lid. Um, Cynthia was uh working on that. People
moved, people left, whatever the case may be. So, it's really it's a it's really thing and also a functional thing. Uh, and hopefully once we find a home for it, we hope it's going to just be at Pine Shores because I think there
was some problem with that, but don't quote me. We also talked about the 2026 Rucker Stewards environmental program which studies a wide variety of environmental topics issues as it relates to volunteers. Um it's not free.
It's like 325 bucks a person I believe and it starts in December. No, it starts in January. I'm not going to give you the details because I don't know that anybody's going to do that. But what I did find out when I went down the rabbit hole, the Rucker's environmental
stewards program is we can get a steward and they can use it use us as their project. It's like a 60-hour project. So I I think that might be work out better. And I just have to talk to Michelle. And
funny I can't pronounce her last name. So I'm not going to even try mine. I'm not trying. >> Michelle is fine. the whoever she is the queen of the project. We also Cynthia was in contact with an organization called Helpsy. They
are textile recyclable program to do a drive. We would ask to do it here but we're not even at that stage and there's some kind of compensation for that. We figured we could do it maybe even on winter. Maybe now we're looking at spring when
everybody's getting rid of their winter clothes. And I have two bags already that I'm just saving to confirm. >> So we're doing it or in Goodwill. >> No, they can't be in Goodwill. They're all logoed and everything. Uh we discussed the no straw November or skip
the straw. That was an ordinance. It was a law in 2020. Started by a 17year-old girl in the Girl Scouts. And I don't know. Just do what you think is right is all I can tell you. But we discuss that. We have our very own um
environmental commission face bag man I mean Facebook manager our young old friend Kaitlin man is going to do that for us be a part of that for us keeps our involved world with us and we appreciate that because I certainly don't want to do that. We're actively
looking at fundraising and other ways to generate money since there is no money in the budget for us. Um, but my friend Gareth told me because there's the trust. If you want to donate, just make it out to Tucker Burrow. In the memo, put environmental
commission. I spoke with Jenny about the Tucker Burrow. That's what this big thing is. I'm not reading from this, the national the natural resource inventory that I found out when I was looking up information for something early on. Um,
and then I noticed it was from 2000 2007. So, You know when you ask about something and it becomes your job? I'm well aware of that. I'm 64. So I said to Cynthia, I have a friend and she was asking me about the national I mean the natural
resource inventory. And she noticed him. Was it done in 2007? And Cynthia's smiling at me. And I said, "That probably should be done, right?" And she goes, "Yeah, probably 2007." So then after sitting here and now as we've gotten further along and we've got it
feels like a group that's staying and somewhat committed. I went in and talked to Jenny. How much did that first one cost? >> Like 30,000. >> A lot of money. So it's 2025. So I'm sure it's maybe 40,000. I don't know.
>> But there's a lot of engineers that are in here along with the people that worked on it. But so we're gonna Jenny said she would do some research, find grants, whatever. Maybe Garrett will put us in the budget, but um I'm shameless, aren't I? Um so anyway, so I just wanted
to let you know about that. But it's really like this is the document. Oh, this is for you, Chris. New Jersey Municipal Land Use Law, NJSA 40, col 55-1. This is the document that works with the
master plan in deciding land use and development. like it's important. It's not I'm not trying to be cute. It's important. Okay. Tucker in Library. We discussed >> November 15th with the lovely ladies that were here and the lovely lady that
sits right there. Um so you can get your tickets from local mayor. >> I have some. >> I know you did. That's why I brought it up because I know you're not promoting yourself. And last but not least, we have a project started
again somewhere in the past couple years. We have Vince Larselli who's going to give you a little info on it about the Main Street Tree Project. This is not going to happen overnight, but this is one of the
reasons we're going to try to get money from. So, thanks for your time for your report. Thank you again. It's been Laurel. I'm a newer member of the environmental commission. Um, and I know this project has been in the works for many years.
And we've discussed breaking it into phases, which I think is a reasonable approach. And um, when we look at Main Street, the trees on what I would call the north side, the the post office side are very
large. um they're entangled with utility wires and it's really beyond the scope of what volunteers could manage for the removal of the trees. Uh conversely, this this other side of the road, the old town hall side, um many of the trees are
already dead and removed. The ones that are there are rather small. So, we feel that that's within our ability to remove. So, um I think that's the approach the commission would like to take. It's basically 11
uh places for trees. There were 11 trees there at one point. Many of many of them have died. So, it probably be uh 8 to 10 uh trees that we be removing. Um so, I guess just the questions that we have or
what formal uh approval would we need from the administration and from the committee to go ahead and and start uh doing the removal. The idea is to do the removal sometime between now and and the win
early late winter or early spring and then plant in the spring which is the ideal time to plant the new trees. And um we've reviewed many different varieties of trees. We're leaning towards a sweet bay magnolia which is
it's a smaller tree semi uh evergreen has a nice white flower. um and it won't get large to the point where it will entangle the wires as is happening right now. >> So um you know again the one question is what formal approval do we need and then
um funding is also an issue. We estimate the first phase would uh cost about $2500 in terms of plant material and and accessories like stakes and watering bags and mulch and things like that.
Okay. All right. Thank you, Mr. Congress or what do we have to do to give them permission to go ahead and work on these this project?
>> One, it said is funding. So, I can't give you permission to spend money right now that we don't have. That would have to probably be put into the 2026 budget. And then from there, um, you know, you're, uh, the governing body would
just have to approve where we're buying it from. You have to go through the purchasing laws, all all of that stuff is what needs to be approved prior to anything going back in there, if that's what you're >> Well, yeah. So, you know, I guess again, we would do this in two phases. Phase
one would be removal of the existing treaties, which essentially would not cost any money. be able to do that with volunteer labor and volunteer equipment. The real cost would be in the spring when we go ahead and start planting the new plant material.
>> Yep. Um the removal uh I I would need some information on because you are working on um Route 9 >> and um you're volunteering. We do have volunteer insurance, but there's some information that we have to have with regards to as to who's doing it
>> in the event something happens. Um you just have to coordinate with me um all that information. Uh I just want to double check some of the ordinances that we have that we're not violating our own ordinances and that's really it. I don't have I don't off top of my head I don't
know what the tree ordinance states but I know there is some permit but I'm not 100% sure. >> Okay. And we'll obviously, you know, do the the protocols, the utility markouts because I know there are utilities under them and we kind of coordinate with the
Tucker police too just to see what support you would be able to provide for uh just safety when we're doing that. I know it's Route 9, so I don't know if that uh would involve the state police potentially. >> No, it would be. >> Okay. Great to work with. >> Great. Great.
>> I had a couple just a couple things. If if they have to do permitting and it requires a fee, can council >> Yeah. like like we do for raffle licenses and stuff is >> well there's a statute I believe already
on the books that allows for us to um construction. >> Yeah, your ordinance may address it. I don't have the wording in front of me now, but if he contacts
Jenny. Um, we'll work together. Jenny will contact me with any questions she might have from a legal perspective and then we'll coordinate whatever has to be done. >> And then I just had one question about the Sweet Bay Magnolia. Um, what kind of
root system does it have? When when I was discussing this a long time ago with Kayn, that was like one of the things that we were talking about is we want something that has a root structure that goes down versus out since it's all the brick paver sidewalk and that's
>> some of the trees that are there don't do that which is why we get a lot of that buckling and it's tough. So, it's just something that kind of want to be be aware of before we end up getting to the point where we're planning anything. We want to make sure that it's going to minimize the
disruption to the >> paper sidewalks. >> That's a good point. It has a fairly delicate roof structure. It's not like a maple where it just has large roots, very shallow under the surface. You could tear something like that up. So, I think it's a good
>> choice for this application. >> And we had quite a discussion on different types of trees and uh you know, he was giving us advice on that. So, that was something that we were concerned about. And we have a a local uh paradise co-president Roger Hoffman
who has professional experience in this area too. So he's provided the commission with some very valuable guidance as well. >> Jenny and the way around that funding if we did our own benefit we could use that money correct about any issue. You can,
but you still have to follow our um the local public contract laws that come into play if we are the one issuing the check. >> Okay? >> If not, if it's you know, if the if a resident decides to go to a nursery and
buy that himself and not involve us writing a check, then you don't have to follow that. >> So that also includes if somebody donates money and Garrett puts it in the account. >> Yes. >> Okay. Yes. >> Then we have to follow the purchase, >> right?
>> So, and what if we uh get some donations of like what's the name? Sweet Magnolia. >> Sweet bag. Yeah, we >> magnolia. What if um a local nursery would donate? Are we allowed to accept donations of trees? >> Just checking. We also discussed
potentially soliciting donations from the businesses along the section where we are going to be replacing the trees. I don't know what regulations or restrictions we would have as far as that's concerned either.
>> They want to donate they can. It's just if anything flows through our budget through our budgeting uh accounting purchase order system has to be has to follow the New Jersey local public contract law. >> And if we were to go door to door and just talk to the business owners, how
should we represent ourselves >> as the Tucker Environmental Commission? >> I think we should go right to I thought it was here the uh Chamber of Commerce. We should go visit the chamber.
>> Chuck, why are you shrinking down in your seat? >> He looked right at me. He made it very easy. Looked right. >> The other person the other person here. >> The other person left. >> You see myself right here next to
>> We can talk. >> I thought you were here too. >> Okay. Thank you all for your time. >> Do you get a lot of your questions answered? >> Yes, I guess Beth and I could probably come in and talk to come in, make an appointment to talk to J. And
>> when you get things going and uh you know, I thank you for everything that you're trying to do. >> It sounds like it's really going to improve the look of the town. >> You're welcome. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Okay, so that was all of our committee
commission board uh reports. Right. So now we're going on to the public forum. >> Motion to open the public forum. >> Second. >> All right. I have a motion and a second to open public forum. All in favor? >> I.
>> Any opposed? No. Uh so you will raise your hand. I'll call on you. You come up and you state your name and your address and then talk into the microphone. And you're talking to us. I'm talking to you. You raised your hand. She's going to go first.
>> Oh, you want to be first? Okay. >> You have five minutes for five minutes and um you will be speaking to us. >> Okay. Not the audience behind. >> Oh, no. That's fine. My name is Elen Winter. I live on 17 Carol Avenue. We
are back again to uh open discussion about the nuisance flooding that is still occurring on Carol Avenue. So, we all came here and attended um your council meeting in August, kind of started talking about the flooding, nuisance flooding on our street and um
we were not able to return in September because we had flooding on our street. We couldn't go over the meeting. So, when we go home tonight, there's going to be flooding on the street again. Anyway, um we discussed where the water's coming from and why the flooding is now nuisance flooding and why it's
almost daily. It is becoming almost a daily effect on our street. >> Um there was some discussion last time about coming through the the marshlands coming up the the uh drains. Well, it is coming through the marshlands, but it's
not coming through the entire thing. There was, and we mentioned this last time, a ditch that was dug through the marshlands. And I spoke to some neighbors that lived on the street for the last 30 years or so who said the ditch was dug somewhere between 8 to 10 years ago through the marshes and it
runs south west to northeast and it basically welcomes the Tucker Creek right onto our street. The creek 5 years ago this little ditch was maybe this wide. Now it's this large and it's getting wider and wider and the and the
water is just pouring on our street. Comes in, joins into the drains, heads down to the cold sack and floods the entire street. Our streets in really um because it's got water sitting on it at all times. The street is like this. So sometimes it's high, sometimes you can't
drive through a street during flooding because you you will go into a low spot and it will not be safe for the car. Um so we wanted to bring the attention to this. I have a lot of neighbors behind me that would like to also speak. So, I won't I won't be here for long. Um, we just really want to know what's the
first step that we do here because since two months ago and not and I'm also not speaking on the storm and errand those two things, nobody can stop. But we're just talking about the day in day out nuisance flooding that is occurring
daily. The level of it changes here and there. We got a new moon tomorrow. So, it's going to be we're already getting it. We've been getting it for days. Just as we dried out from this storm, we're back to flooding again. So, um, just wanted to know where we need to go on
this and who's willing to help us. And we have, I think we have neighbors that have pictures. I have video galore over the last 5 years of of what's been going on. It's not something that just happened over the last two months. This has been going on for a while, but it's progressively getting worse. So, now
it's a daily event on the street. So, I just want to leave with that. I have a lot of people to come behind me, so I'll step away and let them come up. >> Okay. Um, so Carol Avenue is the next road to be
put on for the um the transportation trust fund. So, there's roads that already have been put in prior to um one of which is Parker Road. The next road that is going to be submitted, it
doesn't happen overnight. Not I'm not going to say that it's going to happen quickly, but the next road to be submitted is Carol Avenue. We have had the engineer out there. He is aware of the situation. There's been talk of uh developing it like we did Little Harbor
Boulevard because like Little Harbor Boulevard, a portion of their street is marsh. Um and it what we have done in little like Harbor Boulevard is um taken the street and actually made it so that
the runoff is into the marsh. Uh that way it doesn't make sense to put storm drains by a marsh when it's marsh. So there is talks on that. We like I said we are putting in for the grant. One of the things I believe we have to do prior
to they to them paving that road is um a portion of I believe your sewer line and a portion of your water line has to be replaced as well. So that is also something that you would have to doesn't make sense for us to pave your road when you don't have good utilities
underneath. So um right after Sandy there was a portion of the line that was fixed. Um however that was not the whole road. So I do believe we have to fix the utilities in um in that road. That road
has sunk in quite a bit. Uh right after the last meeting I had my public works uh superintendent take me down there to to view what was going on and um you know it is it it needs to be fixed. So the next step is like I said it's not
overnight fixed. Um, the next thing we're doing is we would be submitting an application to the New Jersey Department of Transportation for a grant to fund the paving. We would have to finance the water and the sewer lines through um
something called an I bank, NJIT. Uh, that takes a little while. Um, I'm I'm optimistic in saying that we may be able to award a bid in 2026 depending on where everything falls. Um, but
that's that's just how things work unfortunately with with regards to those type of things. >> Okay. Does that help answer your questions? >> My name is Randy DeFazio. 20 Carol Avenue and I do appreciate the
explanation from Jenny and I came to her office and she gave me that explanation but I'm here to summarize um I know you call it nuisance I call it much more than nuisance um here are the problem first of all I moved in three years ago no problems for the last two
years beautiful wonderful so it started I'm guessing about a year ago and even since we talked it's worse and worse and worse so I'm not sure how we can wait till maybe through 2026. And here are the issues that are we seeing. Uh first of all, let's just go with a serious
inconvenience. I can't walk my dog and anybody. You can't walk your dog, so they can't go to the bathroom. That's number one. Number two, I've been late for work and appointments because I can't go out of the house. Sometimes I have to wait till the order receipts.
That's a problem. I have come home and I can't go down the street and I have groceries and I how how am I supposed to carry these groceries down the street? I mean that's how bad it is. And I also had delayed
deliveries. I I get my medicine mail and sometimes the post they can't deliver mail. They can't FedEx can't come. And then I've had company that comes and they can't get down the street and they don't have boots in their car. So these
are just the what I call the serious inconvenience. Let's talk about safety and security. First of all, it is so unsanitary. Water sitting sitting water is very unsanitary and it attracts all kinds of bugs and all kinds of other problems. So
I have no idea what the impact is on our health and I have serious concerns about that. the drains. It can take two days for the drains to, you know, recede basically. And then by the time it does that, the water's here. And as um Elaine said, it's every day. It's practically
every day, just some days worse than others. And the other thing is that um emergency vehicles, I mean, it's glad I'm happy to hear that we have a high uh you know, truck or whatever it is, but you know, a regular ambulance, I'm not sure could come down that street when flooding is bad. And so what if
someone's having a heart attack and you know quick is important. So that's the other thing. And then the last thing on this in this area is that I I'm very concerned that our houses are starting to sink a little bit. That water is that there's no um
it's already happening. So how what who's going to pay for that expense when we have to raise our houses more? I mean the ground is so soft. It's it's crazy. This has nothing to do with the flooding that we just had. That's a completely different issue. And the last thing I
want to bring up is the value of our homes are going like this. If anybody on that street wanted to sell their house right now, either you're not going to sell it or you're going to have to give it away for a bargain price, which is ridiculous. Um they're beautiful houses. It's a beautiful street. And I'm telling
you, nobody that's coming to see the house and they see the water, they're just going to turn right around. And on top of that, um you have to you have to give a disclosure. So, you have to tell people about that. So, I don't know. There's probably people before 2026, they need to sell their
house or, you know, it sounds like it could go beyond that. >> Well, I I no matter what we do, the flooding is not going to stop them there. I lived on Marlin Road in the 80s and I experienced it in the 80s. >> Okay, I agree. I've been there three years. There was always a little bit of
flooding and that's part of it. It was never like this. Never. So let's not just >> it has been it has been getting worse over the years >> but this year it has been >> it has been worse this year >> I do not just you know discount this. I
would love I invite you to come and just stand there and see the different days and how bad it is and how you cannot I don't have a high car so I can't drive through it and you can't always plan to be at the top. Plus like I said other people have to come down. >> I'm not trying to knock that. I'm not
really not. I'm just telling you that it's something that has been ongoing down there. It's marsh land down there and unfortunately no matter what we do, even the manholes, um the sewer manholes, they sink. Everything down there is is
to sink. >> We have to try to fix it. >> We cannot. >> So, you're saying this this 26 thing isn't going to help? It it will fix your road and raise your road a little bit, but it won't alleviate the problems that you're talking about, the flooding.
>> What do you mean? So, so for the rest of our lives, >> Yes. >> It's just going to flood every day. >> Oh, so that's not I thought you were telling me that that was going to fix something. >> No, it's not going to fix it 100%. >> No, I didn't say 100%. >> It's not going to fix it. >> All we're going to fix are the roads.
That's >> the Let's see what it is. >> We cannot raise the roads. There's regulations. >> I thought you said you could raise the road. >> You can crown the roads, but we cannot raise the roads that the amount that you're going to need to stop the
flooding down there. >> I'm not trying to stop the flooding. I'm trying to alleviate it. So, it's not every single day. I I don't I understand the concerns, but you're asking for and how many years have you been down there?
>> Over 15. >> It's not like that though. >> Excuse me. >> Excuse me. >> Excuse me. >> I'm sorry. Your five minutes are >> okay. I'm not completely done. I are up. >> You can come back next month.
>> No, I have someone else next month. I want to just wrap up. >> Excuse me. Your five minutes are more than up. It's actually six minutes now. >> Okay. >> Thank you. You may go back to I just said this is a ridiculous.
>> Excuse me. >> It's a ridiculous. >> You may go back to your seat or I will have you removed. >> What a child. >> You're arguing with me. >> Yes. Um just one thing where you were discussing about the the ditch
>> again it's on marsh I don't the state of New Jersey D will not allow us to go on those marsh and fix anything >> so can I just share just a smidge of information >> after the meeting yeah >> all right
>> I have two things but if you could just look at >> start with your name Castiglon one Carol A. The bill list please on page five. Garden State Laboratories. What is that for? >> Uh random drug testing. >> And where does that get reported the
results? >> No. >> No, that's not Garden State Laboratories is for every month we have to test the water that comes out of our >> facility. So what happens when police officers get brunch from
When they do cars or from kids, does that get reported? Do we test it? Do we know what it is? >> No, we don't. The taxpayers don't test the drugs. They That's a a police department through AG, attorney guidelines that they have to follow.
>> Does the police department test it? You >> want me to answer that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Everything that we bring in >> Uhhuh. gets packaged the way it's supposed to be packaged by policy and it gets transported to either the Ocean County Sheriff's Department laboratory or the New Jersey state.
>> It's tested and reported to the state. >> Yes. >> Okay. Great. Regarding Carol Avenue, we're going to be a dead horse, but I have a beautiful guest room and any of you are welcome to stay there for one week and to see what her life is. I've missed doctor's appointments after surgery. I could not get to my doctor's
appointment. My son flew in from Florida and did not get to my house and had nowhere to stay. 24 years old, suitcase and nowhere to stay with an Uber driver. Any of you want to deal with that as
parent? The value of our homes that was already mentioned the depreciation of a brand new car because I have to continuously drive through salt water. Anybody want that car payment? The inability to live my life. I cannot
landscape the front yard. Because if I put moms out, they float down to my neighbor or any decoration that I put out. I can't even enjoy my environment. Visitors can't come. I've had to cancel going to visit my son in Florida because
I couldn't get to the airport. Every single day we impacted living our life. I have to look at an app to tell me when the tide is coming in, when the tide is going out. And I have to plan my life
two hours before or two hours after. And that is how I live my life every single day. And to be told that there's nothing that you can do isn't right. You guys, you built homes. You allowed permits.
You had a a a building department. You had somebody give permits to build homes there. They have to >> they have to issue a building permit if someone applies for a building permit to build on their property. We cannot Well,
>> let me let me move the house from above and you're going to say that's okay. >> There's a fiduciary responsibility. >> Your house is built in that area. >> There's a fiduciary responsibility to say that's not right. You can't do that. >> That's not correct. >> Well, I think it is. And
>> I can understand what you think, but if we were to deny the building permit, you would have to and everybody on Carol Avenue and everybody in the town would have to pay for that property. >> Okay. Reassess all of us because we'll never be able to sell our homes. That's
>> that's not true. There are more. They're higher now than >> your residential values have increased tremendously and is one of the reasons why the tax is one of the reasons why many municipalities that along the
barrier island and back bay areas have been forced to revalue because the market values have been exceeding the assessed values in the municipalities. That's a fact. >> Whether you live in Tucker, whether you No, I'm I'm speaking now. >> Okay. Don't you don't have to give me
that thought. I'm have the right to speak as the burough attorney. I'm defending the municipality because you've indicated that they have a lack of fiduciary responsibility >> and I'm saying from a legal perspective they do not. The fact of the matter is
is that flooding has been an issue up and down the eastern seabboard. The amount of water that we've experienced over the course of the last several years has been more than it has in the past. 19. >> Excuse me, ma'am. Excuse me, ma'am. I will speak and then you can you can your
your comments. >> Municipalities in the burrow ship bottom and all throughout Long Beach Township and Long Beach Island are experiencing the same issues as is in town stafford, the beach haven west, mud city all
around the back bay area been experiencing significant high and increased flooding. It is a fact that the sea level has been rising causing additional flooding as well as some of the stor surges that have occurred over
the course of the last couple years. That is a fact. And in fact, in the burough ship bottom uh where you can't raise roads or raise houses, the state even proposed putting in a pumping system to try and pump out the water. Some towns have been looking at
increasing the the height of the bulkheads, but the problem that that causes is that the water that's on the other side, the residential side of the bulkhead, it's not being taken out of here 5 minutes is then trapped on a residential side.
The only thing that the municipality can do is essentially treat the symptoms of the flooding. It can raise the crown of the road, but it can't stop the water from coming in. those storm water outlets are below the high tide, which
means that the water can't go back out into the into the water and so it's going to back up unless the pressure on the outside gets higher than the pressure on the other side, it's not going to flow out. That is just a fact of life. And so if you live along the
water, you're going to experience these problems. And the fact of the matter is is people continue to buy houses along the water. Notwithstanding the issues that have been presented in it is a horrible situation for many. I understand it. Don't mean to sound
insensitive, but I've lived here 69 years and I can tell you the evolution of the high tides over that period of time. >> I have a historical perspective. I lived it. I lived on a barrier island. I know what the flooding is like and I having represented other towns I know that this
is a continuous problem other places. >> One Carol was built in 1989 and since 1989 that house has lived by the tide. Judy Goheen had to live her life by the tide since 1989.
This problem has persisted and nothing has been done. And we're begging you to please do something. We actually are to the point where we cannot live our life. Something's going to happen. One of us is going to get hurt and something tragic is going to happen. They can
raise the crown of the road where money will allow them to do it. >> But short of another engineering design that I'm not aware of, the storm water system works the way the storm water system works.
A vacant lot. A vacant lot just sold recently down in Coverton Beach for $300,000. >> I'm talking about I don't really care about the vacant lot. >> It's all over the whole area. >> I don't care about my son. >> Well, you're talking about certainly
>> I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Hi, my name is Vienna free and I live at 24 Carol in one way or another. I went to kindergarten here in Tertton. My grandfather and father built a house inland on Ocan Terrace. They also built
a house on 36 Tarpon. And I can tell you that I lived through the 62 hurricane. We were here after for all the destruction and I personally witnessed my grandfather helping the buildup of the
wetlands that were destroyed. As you know after that point that became a very huge issue. We lost our birds. We lost marine life. We lost clams. We lost crabs. And I have to tell you Tuffton
did an amazing job of bringing that all back. But one thing I think you're all overlooking is the possibility of building up the wetlands. That's a solution these people back then knew
used common sense and built them up to stave off the water. Now, it's not the entire solution, but I can tell you I'm Carol and I have very dear friends who live there, okay? And we've seen them
struggle. We've struggled ourself, okay, that when you build up the wetlands, there are very specific plants and everything. I can also tell you that the wetlands are eroding. So the Environmental Protection Agency and the
authorities who protect the wetlands and it's a complicated issue because the same people that protect across the street from Carol may not protect down by Tucker Beach on 66. I remember umbrellas, gazos,
you know, carts of food and all laying out on top of the beach. Okay, there are other ways to approach this. We are going to lose and we already have the egrets that were across all the marina
area Viking and Viking doesn't do anything to harm that area but because of the flooding their eggs and their habitat is being destroyed and I don't think that this has been fully explored
but should be because If you recall back, I think 2010, we were destroyed in Sandy. Our whole house knocked off the foundation. But we brought our family back. We want to stay in town. But part of the
solution was across on the Viking Marina, and I'm not suggesting this, but it is a possibility, was bamboo. Bamboo spreads like wildfire. It's not a great thing, but they also have other
alternatives to plant, to implant, and to build up the wetlands. Wetlands are built up like out in Tucket Bay with sludge and silt and everything. And when you raise the
wetlands and you repopulate and replant, okay, you not only save the wildlife, but you save the human life and the human property, okay? And there's plenty of dredging that could be done to build
up that area. And I don't think the cost would be excessive. Okay, it may be. It needs to be explored. the regulations about who owns that particular marshland or wetlands as you want to call it because there are many birds and
things that are there crabbing and everything else. But I think it needs a serious look into the people that absolutely know what they're doing about this. I watched it happen as I was growing up. I watched it down on Tucker
Bay. I watched it. We used to walk from Seek and Terrace right past Green Street. All of that was build out. I think we need to look at back in. >> All right. >> Mayor, may I >> certainly >> address that if you want because you
touched on some stuff that I'm actually very knowledgeable about. So, I am a member. I've gotten the burrow to become a member of the New Jersey um coastal coalition. So, I've gone to numerous seminars about restoring the marshes and
replanting the marshes. when you say how it was done back in the 80s and it, you know, did a fantastic job. >> They did. >> I'm not going to disagree. I wasn't I wasn't here in the 80s to see it, but I'm not going to disagree with you. But in the last 15 years that I know about
this stuff and I follow this stuff, a project like that doesn't happen anymore. And the reason it doesn't happen, and I'm not trying to put the blame off on somebody else, but it's because of the rules of the D. So, the D
has control over those marsh. I've been working very closely because as of recently, groups like the Fort Scythe um foundation who's on the other side of Tucker Beach where we did the Lanyard Lagoon project and stuff have started to
be a little bit more favorable to the marsh restoration. The New Jersey DP still is not. They believe that it is nature and you should let it go back to nature. So meaning that that marsh is falling if it falls into Tucker and
Creek that's their will. They've put forth the proposal in Stafford saying that they wanted Stafford to use Chris you might know it's like it's not green project it's a blue project I think >> with Malard Island. They want Stafford
to buy Malard Island, move all the people off that island, and just let that island fall back into the bay. They don't want people there. I know it's not what you want to hear, but this is the reality of it. >> Now, I understand the reality, but it doesn't have to stay,
>> but you can't you can't like how you're saying, "Let's go and rebuild this marsh." We can't go rebuild the marsh. No, that's why I said I understand there are regulations and complications, but unless we as a community, you as the
council and other authorities within Tupperton and the other surrounding areas get together and put a case together, >> but we've already done that is what is what I'm saying is that we've done that. >> We have the coastal coalition going.
We've done it. I've been working very hard with Paradise Cove because you made a statement that there's lots of dredge material. There's not lots of dredge material. The D will not let you use that dredge material that's there and pump it up on the marshes. We're going
through it right now. >> Know that it came from there, but they still won't let us. >> We're going through it right now with the Little Lake Harbor spin of land. We're trying to figure out how we can use the marshes. They don't they don't want that because it's contaminated with >> I would like to see some information on
this. I would like to take this further if only on my own. >> Visit visit the New Jersey Coastal Coalition. >> They're at also at the um Jacqu Dustoau Center down there >> on Great Bay Boulevard. Stop in. They got all this information on all this
stuff. >> The planning say if you raise I'm sorry I'm going to go for another minute. If you raise a marsh too high, like let's say you raise the marsh a foot and then you try to do your plantings, your plantings won't survive. They have they've done all these studies. They have it all. It's all documented. I've
gone through all these seminars. I've watched all these slideshows. The best thing to do would be to raise everything up, everything up, and then we don't have to deal with flooding. We can't do that. And I hate to be a Debbie
Downer on it, but when the the Real Act passes and goes through, it's going to be way worse for everybody that's on the water. The regulations are going to go up. Well, I think they've actually wheeled it back to 4T now instead of 5T. But
>> yeah, if you go >> mean high tide on your lawn, the D is going to say they now have claim to your >> Yeah. >> your property. If if you go online and you look up real RE E >> um act that the New Jersey um governor I
guess put into play and a couple other things. You're going to lose property down there that and that is going to take your property value down and we're trying to fight that. But when when you say us as a burrow in other towns like we are
actively doing this like I'm very active member of that sitting in and mayor Mancini of Long Beach Township has cursed him out walked out of meetings in front of us over the stupidity the mayor of Barnagate Light. Their response to
him was well yeah you got to go up 5t higher just raise the the elevation limits of your houses by 5T. He said, you know, that's that's political suicide up there. Somebody has a house with a view and now all of a sudden the next door neighbor's going to build 5t higher under these new rules. Like you
can't do that. They're going to be stuck in a situation where all you can have is a raised ranch in Barnagate Light. >> So there is a possibility. >> There's lots of towns that are going against this and fighting this. >> Well, sure. What you're saying is if
that is the end all be all and if we raise too much ruckus about it or impose what we want done too much that they can come in and reclaim our home. >> No, it has nothing to do I I recommend you raise as much ruckus as you can. >> They're doing it anyway,
>> but it's not >> and it's this isn't a cop out. I'm not saying don't raise the ruckus to us sitting up here, but we are not the people that you need to raise the ruckus to. You need to be raising it to the New Jersey. >> I appreciate knowing that. I appreciate
knowing that. But >> so the go Yes. Thanks once again. Thank you. >> Um what you pointed out, council member, is extremely important. In fact, the burrow has been involved with shoreline restoration projects.
>> Okay. which is a spin-off of the marsh restoration. I believe it was Summers Point that was one of the test cases of elevating the marsh where they found they put too much on there and actually killed everything. So it wound up being
nothing but a desert. Um and so >> Stone Harbor too. >> What's that? >> Stone Harbor. >> Stone Harbor. I I probably had to stone. Stone was the harbor. And so they've been constantly trying to perfect the uh marsh restoration projects. You had to
also deal with the federal government through the foresight national wildlife refuge who took the position for many years is we don't want anything on that marsh. We don't want fill. We don't want sand. We don't want to restore it. The only thing we want on that marsh is
wildlife which we can see as you pointed out. I've seen it too. We are losing marsh which is extremely important not only for flooding but water quality that's the filtration of our bay for the clammers and and everyone who who
recreates or commercially operates within our bay system. So shoreline restoration, marsh restoration, mayor spott years ago as mayor of this township Stafford had come up with a study that showed not only restoring our
marsh but creating some of the islands that used to be out there that are underwater now for wave attenuation. So that much of the damage that's been occurring to residents is not from the water level, but it's the waves that
come in and that's what really destroys the structures. There's been plan after plan after plan, fight after fight after fight by the municipalities and their governing bodies and they always have been meeting resistance either from the federal government which now has started
to change its posture. But the biggest problem has been the state of New Jersey with the DP and what you point out is correct because I'm very much familiar with it that the D is an executive branch function has long since held a position they don't want
anybody on the barrier island and they don't want anybody along the beach. They want what they called in 1980 they came out with a study calling the retreat of the dunes that it migrates to the west and they just prefer that natural
migration to the point that people won't even be along the coastal areas. And so that's been the position and I'll simplify it and take this step forward a second. The executive branch comes under one
individual and that's the governor. And I'm not going to be partisan. I'm just going to tell you that this is an election year and there's going to be people walking around asking for your support. Find out from them how they feel about the issue of flooding in these areas like Tucker and elsewhere.
Ask the question of the candidates. Good idea >> and and vote for that person who understands the problem and will rectify it. I don't care whether it's Democrat or Republican. ask that question of that individual uh to make sure that they
understand what's going on uh here in the burough tucker. I know these officials are trying to do it, but that's really what where the change has got to come from is at the very top in D and then we can go from there. Us old-timers know how to fix the problem.
[Music] >> Here with a great harbor. >> That's fine. I appreciate >> you and I live during the 62 storm. So, we have a history. We know and we've seen how people have gone to work to try and >> Well, you mentioned a very important point. We have the history and they did
build it up after this hurricane of 62. And I think it would be worth going back and see what they did, >> right? >> And that wasn't a hurricane. >> No, that was a noraster. >> That's a noraster. >> That was a noraster. >> Fine point, but it's much more.
>> Well, Mr. Farmers and I grew up on Long Beach Island, both of us. >> Yeah. We've seen >> our respective fathers were mayors of the of the joint municipalities. >> That's right. >> So, we've seen a lot, you know, for many years.
>> All right. Now, just >> I'm gonna talk nice and loud. >> Carolyn, but I'm also mentioned in TBA. I'm never quite sure if I'm supposed to come up for TBA stuff in the committee or just anyway. So on um
Mr. Martin, we're the food pantry is near and dear to both pride celebration. I hope every member of Tucker talk, but you know the winter things slow down. So to that point, um I was up at the garage with uh Mrs. Peterson, Nancy, and Brian
over the weekend. Lauren, I always forget his name. There's so much stuff in the garage area that they're having. We were trying to move some things around so that Lauren and Brian could get the decorations out. We found these totes
that are full of different brand new brand new. They've been in there for probably about three years. I don't want to turn around asking. Um, we think they're from the bluefish tournaments that they have. >> There you go. >> Thanks. So, we we're hoping that Rob was
going to be here, but the idea that we had was because there's not a lot of events over the winter and we're worried about the food pantry with the government shutdown, higher energy costs that more I'm getting goosebumps. More people
might be having to reach out to our food bank just to get food. how to invest raise money. So, one of the things that we thought is this stuff's just been sitting in the garage. Nobody seems to want to own it. You know, we we're doing
things like uh the the pumpkin carving, the Halloween celebration, the Christmas celebration. If we TVA wanted to take some of that stuff, it's just sitting in there. Nobody knows who owns it. And >> what is this stuff? >> It's um there's a punching bag in there.
There's um >> exercise >> exercise equipment. I mean, but it's small. It's boxes. There's games, brand new games in boxes. I'll be glad to meet you, Sam, and show you. But they're I mean, there's totes. You can tell they've been in there. There's dust on
it, but the things in the totes are pristine. And >> I like to to look at that because I think I know >> because if it's just sitting in there for three years, not doing anything, why not make put use to it, right? and and make a basket of exercise equipment and
at one of the events, you know, we raffle it off or we take donations, however you want to, whatever the political correct way to say it, but um because what's happening is the guys are having problems getting in and out of that and and that also then becomes a
safety issue, right, as Brian and Lauren are up there trying to >> So, the garage is getting filled. >> Yes. >> Christmas stuff in there. >> Yes. We get our stuff like that in Green Street. So, okay. So, that was the first thing. >> Make an appointment to talk with Sam and and go down there and look at it and
then >> take that. Um, secondly, I just want to give a big shout out to Parkertown Fire Department. Um, what a difference. I I know I'm going to get in trouble somewhere offline off of this, but I actually feel that we have a fire
department and EMS that are part of our community that they show up. They show up for the concerts, but they show up with a smile and um it's just it's wonderful and I know I'm not alone in that, but on behalf of the PDA, we
really wanted to thank you for that. So, very last but not least, um and I did have this before. I didn't know all this was going to take place. A couple things to our neighbors on Carol Parker Little Egg because I've only been I've only been here since 1999.
I have had to educate because I think Jenny will be the first I was a thorn in this lady's side trying to get the curly road done and get check valves right and the check valves do improve it they don't correct it because and I'm going to use this I hope I don't offend
anybody I tell talk to my husband I said if God wanted us to be here he would have built the lagoons but we built have these big houses where nature whatever you believe in didn't expect us to build these houses our house uh we got our co
in 2019 19. Um, the concrete pad has already sunk about six or seven inches. You can see where the stones where it was right up against the top of the bulkhead. They're sinking. Dennis has had to replace the Azac several times. I know Renee and Pete had to have their
garage reporred and it's already reinking. She uh they they picked up 40 bags 40 contractor bags her and Marty Bowman and Tom Bowman of eel grass after the last storm with something for whatever reason it all congregate it
right in Rene's yard. So I told put it out. That's the right thing to tell them, right? You have to throw grass. Don't put it back in the lagoons. Um >> Yeah. Please don't put it back. >> Don't put it back in the lagoons. And And if you're on the TVA page, you know,
let us know and we'll try and uh work that for you. But um I forgot what I was going to say. But anyway, so the thing is we've I really know that I've had to educate myself either by joining the environmental commission. A lot of people may not know
this because we do have a lot of different new residents. We used to have a waterways commission that handled all that. That all got combined into the environmental commission. It's waterways and storm water management. I encourage
people to come out. This our neighbor on um the lady here in blue, I apologize, but I mean she has great ideas. What a wonderful addition that would be to come out on the environment. We do have a public forum on the environmental commission. Lisa is probably saying go
meetings are go four hours, but I encourage you to come to those meetings because that's where I learn about, you know, the the the spit of land, the dredging, the environmental commission. Uh if you're not a member of the TVA, Mr. Martin uh attends most every one of
our meetings. He gives us an update. We have our uh meeting this coming Saturday. I know you're on the agenda and I'm talking fast. I'm trying to But yeah, so that's what I would recommend. >> I just want to say something to you that
the environmental commission has always been there. Waterways split out there to get dredging done. And then after the dredging was done, everything went back to environmental because that's all about the environment. And thank you very much for all your opinions.
>> Thank you very much, >> Mr. solony 28 drive. Um I would like to know the price of the the trees we're going to put downtown so we can start getting people to buy. I'm sure a couple of my neighbors, including myself, I'll buy
one to put downtown. Um, also as far as the flooding and all the problems you're having, I recently purchased another house where what we're doing is we're raising the grade elevation on that property. >> So, it it doesn't flood anymore. It had
18 inches of water during Earth and Sandy. >> So, purposely, I had my architect design in such a way that that won't happen anymore. All right. Granted, you guys can't do that because your house is already built, but you could put a retaining wall in to hold the water back out of railroad ties or concrete paper
blocks that they they use. Um, there's other ways. It's not going to solve the problem in the street flooding. That's not going to happen. We live this is, you know, there's a shortage of waterfront property in New Jersey. Anybody who thinks the property value is
going to go down is nuts because it's not. There's a shortage. That's why It's a no-brainer. You're going to make money on your property. Um, I hope you all enjoy I'm going to change subject if you can. I hope you all enjoyed the article that was in the sandpaper. Um,
the interesting thing with Paradise Co for 40 years and there's a reason for that. It's because for Wildlife Refuge owns the property that Thomas Creek goes through town council to get the money for. So, it's like a hot potato that this pass it
to Mr. Connor and then they pass it to Brian. Then they pass it over to then they pass it back to foresight again. Excuse this person. That's They should get get it done. Go in and get get the job done. I don't care who does it, whether it's the town council, the state. It's it's been going on for
four decades or longer. You know, and and Paris is a neighborhood that doesn't flood. We don't have half the problems that the rest of these communities have. Why would you put the money into our community? I that just blows me away. >> Remember last year?
>> Well, no. Hold on. I'm not done. >> On town map, you see Paradise Code, right? There's a couple streets that aren't done. It was shut down. Now, that that was put on the town map. >> Yeah. >> Somebody approved it, the whole thing.
And then somebody shot it down. So, go ahead, Frank. When we walked that property, the D was it D or EPA? I forget. understand when we walked that property. >> We brought that up. They said it's
wetlands now is because when they started to dig, they got muddy in there. >> So that became wetland. >> There's still that dug. >> You're arguing with >> I know. I just >> last year New Jersey spent $62 million
to move sand from the ocean up onto the beaches, >> right? And guess >> it's already gone. >> Yeah, it's already back in the ocean. So, you put money where you know it's just going to flow away. >> Why not put money into a neighborhood that it's not going to flow away? >> Have a nice night.
>> Thank you. Thank you for your opinion. >> Yes, sir. >> I'm Robert Heler, 19 Carol. I have a couple pictures I'd like to give to any of you to see. This is for Carol Avenue just so you can understand what the floods are. It's from like mid September
till maybe last week. Um there's no northeast we just had no error in there. Is everything else just regular everyone's talking about? >> I was in here back in September I think it was and the only thing I said we could do really my opinion is preventive
maintenance. I know you can't bulkhead the creek side of this marsh I was talking about rip wrap very common easy solution big large bowls like they did on the jetties off the beaches. You line that bank cuz all the boats go flying through there. Make the weight and the water goes up on the marshes go down.
Very simple. Not as difficult. Raise the road up a little bit. That take the crown out. That'd be even better. If you crown them roads when it's like this, the high tide's down here. So you have 8 in of water to get to the top of the road. The top of the road is dry. You can't crown the road. It's got to be
perfectly flat or maybe 2 in pitch, not 10 to 12, 14 inch pitch. The road's like this. I don't know if you ever if honestly if you guys seen it, you know what I'm talking about. I had the Belgian block curb there in front of the one house. It's like this. >> You have to ground the room. >> Oh, right. Yeah, but to a point, not
that extreme. Water's up and down. It doesn't drain. It's up and down elevation where the ties. It does drain, but it doesn't go down like water. It goes down to a lower point. You have a point like this. The water's here. The top of the road is dry. That's what we need. Take some of that pitch out and
we'll have a happy medium of everybody. Old people wouldn't be in there wasting your time and our time. No, you said Parker's first. Parker's a higher elevated road. They have least problems, probably 80% less than us. We're the worst on the street besides King Fisher section, which is why
nobody's complain about that. So, you guys enough, but please help me. Please look at those pictures of the police. Please. >> Okay. Are these pictures for us to keep? >> You keep them all. I got money. If you want more, I'll get you more. >> Can you tell me your last name? I didn't get H E L L E R. Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you much, >> Mayor. If I can, I' I'd like to thank everybody that had the courage to come up and say what you had to say. You're very passionate and I was born and raised here. I know exactly what you're going through. I work for the electric
company, retired. I've been down Tucker Beach. What did you order? Almost 5 foot order during Sandy and it is a nightmare. I love the energy you guys have. Never give up. But what you do if you could
focus that energy to exactly where it should be and that's the Department of Environmental Protection. Write letters, voice your opinion, call them up. I tried to get Tucker and Beach years back. They hung up on me like 10
times. Now you can't even call anybody. They will not answer any phone. So never give up. And hopefully the powers that be at Trenton are going to change and with that the Environmental Protection Agency will as
well. So don't lose that passion. >> Okay, >> one more please. >> We're start at the bottom trying to work the way up. I mean this we're supposed to do is start with you guys. You guys represent us. But if you do look at those photos, they're all dated with the times and the tides and the winds on the back of those so you have an understanding of how bad and how less
stormed it was. If you look on all the back, they're all marked. Thank you. >> And again, I will say I am I am lobbying >> for you guys with this with the >> uh marsh restoration projects and stuff like that. That's why I don't live on
it. I go to all this stuff because that's my job as an elected official here is to is to go out and lobby for you guys and what you need down there. >> It is >> a extremely frustrating process. Excuse
me. Will you excuse me? >> Okay. >> It's an extremely frustrating process to go because common sense does not win out. >> Like you're saying go and drop the boulders, you know, and we not doing a bulkhead. You can't do that. You can't.
The fines that would come from the D, especially if the town if the town went and did it like >> it's it but it's common sense. Let's do that. But you can't. >> I'm not expecting the town to do that, sir. But no, but I mean >> like even so the the marsh land across from Carol that's owned by the
technically it's part of the marina. The marina owns that land. Even if the marina wanted to go do that, he can't do that. Even if he was like, I'm going to spend all the money. I'm going to take these rocks. I'm going to drop them here on my property. He's not allowed to do that. Like it's common sense does not
win out when >> Well, hopefully we squeak to you. You squeak to people up there, too. >> You do. >> Thank you. Is there anyone else who has a question clarification for Jenny? Did you tell us that um Egg Harbor Bay or um
>> the Great Bay that was all fixed? I think when you and I talked there was a a street and I'm not that familiar with all that. That was fixed. >> You mean like what I was explaining earlier today about Little Egg Harbor Boulevard? >> Yeah. >> Was that fixed? >> We we we redid it. We put new water and
sewer lines in there and we tilted it. So where normally we would crown a road so that the water runs off into the storm drains. When you have marsh on the other side of your road, sometimes it doesn't make sense cuz to drain into the marsh, it's never going to drain. So what we did is we pitched the road of
Little Lake Harbor Boulevard away from the homes. Pitched it that the runoff actually went in back into the marsh. Um that is something that our engineers are looking at for Carol Avenue when we designed that because you have marsh a good portion of the side of your road is
no homes at all. So we can get the water to go back to where it was. It would be pitched back that way instead of pitching to storm drains where storm drains don't go out into marsh land. That's that's what it is. But again, and
I didn't mean to be offensive, but it's not going to fix >> everything like it's you're still going to have those >> uh full moon tides. It's going to happen. >> Are there any other comments this evening?
>> Just a question. >> Okay, come up. You have to state your name. >> I will. Uh Steven Free Tag, 24 Carol Avenue, husband of being a Danist, the more optimistic type of type thing. And this is nothing to do with anybody here. Everybody's doing their best. Please
don't. Um everybody has ideas. It looks like we can alleviate perhaps hurdles to go through, ideas to go trying to do the environmental protection, maybe politic, but it's out of our control.
That's what I'm hearing right now. We can alleviate, but we can't stop it. There's a lot of things that aren't in our control. We've had a lot of things to look at the past to learn, not to make mistakes. Stone Harbor with things we did in ' 68 and a few other things
that have gone forward to look at. I hate to ask the question, but I am that guy. I was in business and never popular. Um, you mentioned Ballard Island. Is there a history of where we can learn how they started in their different
phases and what it goes and is it anything that would relate to us because we're way at the beginning and I just kind of want to see their history. That's the one thing. Everything else I've kind of understand and put forward. If it's a totally different situation
then it's not worth researching. But I don't want to get to the point where Malard Island let's just put >> I I was just going to say I mean Malard Island if you want my personal opinion is in worse shape than even you guys on Carol. So, >> no, but I know but at one point they
probably started out similar and got worse and worse. Correct. They just been, you know, again that way. >> My cousin My cousin lived there for 60 years. And I mean, I'm 48. I remember
going to his house and I remember we had to park on the side of the causeway bridge and take our shoes off and walk down to to his house. >> Okay. I mean the point I want I'm just making the question if it doesn't apply it doesn't apply but
we've been it's Tucker and Carol avenues can get worse >> worse and worse and sooner or later it may reach a point if it keeps getting worse toward like Malard Bay is there anything that we can learn or you're
just saying nope totally is there anything else we can learn if we can't convince the powers that don't reside here uh to help and to learn kind of what the course is. It's always nice to know what you're dealing with down the road. I I
don't know specifically. I think that would probably be more a question for like the Stafford Stafford's engineer or somebody along those lines with what their records because they might have elevations throughout the year. They I wouldn't I wouldn't know where to begin
with island. >> I would think that because we did do the portion of that road uh in 2013. Um and it was suitable back then. You know, obviously it didn't alleviate, but
it was you were able to move more freely than you are now. I I would wait and see how I'm not saying that it's an end all be all, but this new fix, >> right, >> um can can alleviate some of the problems and go from there. I don't
think that we're going to get to Mau Island point where you're going to lose property over there. Um that's one of the things we are fighting. Um, and the areas that we're losing the marsh on is on the opposite side. And we did get a grant. Well, it's funding from
the federal government to um rebuild some of those lands out there to stop the wave action. So, there's there's things in play. Um, I would just let that happen and then go from there. >> The thing is I'm looking four or five
years down the road. We tried do what you're saying there. And if it works, no wor. >> We may have to continue to go back there. >> If uh it doesn't work and we don't get the change, then history's always
important, good or bad. >> So, we may have one bright spot here if we get the right governor. We also have Jeff Senator Jeff who's been tremendous help. and maybe
between the two of them, we may be able to make some inroads. >> Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> One thing I'm going to say, I I disagree with you, Jenny, is that I do think we could get very easily to the point where you're losing property under the rules
of the real act. >> Yeah. Not that's >> I 100% think that that's the point of >> pushing this through is to >> so and >> the attorney will tell you that there'll be years and years of lawsuits coming
out of this before anybody's property were to go away. But the way it's written and the way that it reads, it's it's, you know, they're raising up what the levels are, four feet. And, you know, if if a piece of property is under
mean high tide for a certain amount of time, then it becomes property of the state and the D. And >> can I just add one more thing? >> Yes. I'll take my last minute, my five minutes. I heard a comment made by somebody said
about dumping the sand on Long Beach Island, you know, then it disappears and that's true. But understand one thing without that barrier island there >> this ocean front
>> when I talked about the wave attenuation that mayor spott pointed out it's not it's the what they call fetch is it's a influence of wind and water that builds up the waves that creates the problem you don't have anything between you and
the ocean under the D's philosophy you're going to have to be west of Route 9 in Tucker and still have waterfront property. And so that money spent on the barrier island. Don't be shortsighted about it. There's hundreds of millions
of dollars of raidables too that fly into the county coffers as a result of that real estate value. Not to mention the short protection that it provides. to said the in Long Beach Island is the first three houses on the ocean, you
know, that protect everybody else down the street and it's all of Long Beach Island that does that. So, you know, it's it's an entire environment ecosystem that's important. You affect one thing, you're going to affect another. And
we're trying to we're trying to fight nature. DP does not want to fight nature. They want nature to take its course. We want to stay where we're at. We want our houses where we're at. We want to enjoy our homes and our kids have to be safe going up and down the
street. It's fighting the D. And it changes. It changes every seldom you have the opportunity to try and make that change. And I know that can be frustrating. Sometimes the last thing we see from a gubanatorial candidate is the back of
their head when they drive to drunk whacking. But I really do believe that if we don't make that change at the very top, we're not going to see the kind of changes that we need in the municipalities and I will just give a tip. There is one candidate has a house in Ocean County
and Long Beach. He understands and perhaps with the mayor and governing body, they'd be happy to sit down with you folks to talk about the issues dealing with the with the Back Bay areas. He understands. I've had these conversations.
>> I've sat with that gentleman that you're talking about and he does know and again he has stated that he would repeal that real act. He would put the money Mr. Solomini sat and talked with him that he would be putting money into
march restoration around here projects to the things that we need. And I know we're not supposed to push for a candidate, but >> Well, I don't mean there's but but ask both and see and see who has a plan to help you out.
>> Can you invite them to talk to him? >> We've had them several >> numerous times. >> Well, if you're willing to travel, >> if you're willing to travel, find out where these folks are going to be and button hole them when you get there.
Okay. What's that? >> Dar did the same thing at the last meeting. Grabbing the candidate by the neck. >> Yep. Yep. Get him before he gets out the door to get a oneonone. >> Time to put jetties in. >> Okay,
one more time. Is there anyone else to speak tonight? >> Debbie. Um, our house is downtown. right after the substitute storm. So, most of the houses were on the ground. Um, but
you know, everybody knocks down all the cedar trees because they're ugly, but they're the only things that live in salt water, you know, so it stops erosion, but everybody that builds, they just get rid of the trees. So, you know, um, if they can plant something that'll
live down here in salt water, that would be good. And concrete is not a good thing down there because it just takes longer for the water to go out >> and salt water and concrete don't mix. It eventually, you know, just rips it up. So,
but I've been through a lot of floods and uh you know, you can't keep knocking the trees down and putting the concrete in. I mean, there's other things that have to be done, but that's a start that somebody can go home and do.
>> If you have stone, the water at least goes down. We have concrete. It takes a long time for it to go out. So, >> thank you. Thank you for that. >> All right, public forum is over. Need a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to close public forum.
>> Second. >> I have a motion, a second to close public forum. All in favor? I. >> Any opposed? >> Motion to adjourn. Second. >> All right. Now I have a motion and a second to adjourn. All in favor? >> Thank you very much for coming. Thank
you for your opinions and for being respectful of each other. [Music]