In compiance with the open public meeting law, I would state that on October 24th, 2025, the notice of this upper township committee was posted on the official township bulletin board, the upper township website, emailed to the Atlantic City Press, the Ocean City
ledger, the Herald Times, and Bob with the township clerk. Tonight's meeting is being video recorded up until the close session portion of this meeting and will be available on the upper township website. I hereby direct that this announcement be made part of the minutes
of this meeting. You please call the role. >> Mr. Paceio here. >> Mr. Nappen here. >> Mr. Sam Palumbo >> here. >> Mr. Zach Palumbo >> here. >> Mayor Pson >> here. Members >> are present. Would everyone please stand for the pledgece to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisibley and justice for all did We can move on to the approval of the minutes. Has everybody had an opportunity to review the minutes?
>> I have motion to approve. >> Second. >> Mr. Cassaceio. Yes. >> Mr. Nappen. Yes. >> Mr. Sam Palumbo? >> Yes. >> Mr. Zach Palumbo? >> Yes. >> Mayor Corson? >> Yes. >> Motion carried. >> All right. Moving on to reported governing petition. Uh we start you have
tonight. >> I do, Mayor. Um so a few things. Uh first of all, myself, uh Mayor Corson, Senator Ta, and Assemblyman Mlen, we did a walk on the Stratmir beaches uh last week just to
kind of amplify what we've been saying, the issues that with beach erosion and how we're going to plan going forward. Obviously, this committee has worked very diligently to maintain uh the beaches in Stratner and we're going to continue to do that and explore every
avenue that we can in order to preserve that community for the township. Um and you know what? That's all I have today, Mayor. Thank you. >> Thanks. Um Tyler, do you have anything else? >> Sure, Mayor. Yeah, I do. I just want to remind everyone early voting started
this week. It's right next door here, the upper township, all three county libraries, Upper Township branch included. It's Monday to Saturday, 10 to 8. Sunday, it's 10 to 6. Then obviously election day is November 4th, next Tuesday. Um, and I want to echo kind of what many people are going to say here
tonight. U was at a fundraiser last Wednesday and uh had a very deep conversation with Congressman Andrew about the beach erosion in Strathmeir and obviously he is uh acutely aware of the situation there. probably in his ear one way or another
the last week and he's really working hard there to try to help us out. That's all I have. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Mayor. Uh kind of ditto. I was at the same event with Mr. Cassagio kind of voiced my opinion about the beach
thing, especially now that we have a potential nor easter coming uh Wednesday into the Thursday. We just got through one, so we're going to have now another deluge when it rains it pours kind of a thing. Uh definitely have talked to public works try to make sure that
they're ready to go uh for this uh this storm does not seem to be as bad as the last one on there. Um and also public works has started a brush pickup and also uh they've started doing as soon as the brush is done they can start doing
the leaves. We'd ask that people make sure sticks aren't in the leaves. So that way when the uh leaf collector goes by, it doesn't damage the vehicle in any way. And also uh if you try to keep uh your cars in the driveway so that way we can have a clean uh clean up, so to
speak. >> That's it. >> Very good. Thank you for tonight. >> I do. Good evening everybody. Thank you so much for attending our meeting as always. Uh definitely get out there and vote this week. Early voting is located couple feet to the right here uh at the
library and uh it's during all normal hours of the day. You can check our Facebook page to see those exact hours unless Joanne do you know exact hours. >> Uh Tuesday >> through 10 to 8. >> Okay. 10 to 6. So please get out there.
I want to thank EMS John Britain and especially Committeeman Casacho for donating his vehicle to uh our trunk or treat. It was a massive event and success. Uh Tyler uh decorated the hot rod really well. I provided the candy.
We gave out how much Tyler 900 pieces of candy to trick-or-treaters. Everybody was all decked out. It was a really great event. Uh so >> ran out. >> And we still ran out. Yeah, we I thought I thought we actually overbought and I would have some leftover for trick-or-treaters in my neighborhood, but I was mistaken. Um, in the IT front,
um, apologies for last week in, uh, the system going down. It's something that happened. So, uh, that following morning, I round table with John Britain and we're coming up with a low tech backup solution in case that ever happens again. Uh, with technology these days and ability to get some Bluetooth
microphones around and things like that, there should be no reason for that to happen. So, we're gonna we're solidifying that plan and everything's back up and running tonight due to their hard work. So, I wanted to thank them for that. Um, committee in Columbus department had a uh a wellness fair. Uh,
thank you to Janet McBride on that one. 21 flu shots were given out. There was 30 local health vendors there. Uh, everything from local yoga studios to Atlanticare and all these different um businesses here or there. It was a great event. So, thanks everybody that came
out to that and that's all I have. >> Thank you. The one thing I have uh we did meet with the senator and sound um and it was very it was a productive meeting. I mean it was more so they could put eyes on the ground and and know what we're talking about.
Our neighboring community as uh I think the 23rd they declared a state of emergency. So, we are uh working with our neighbors in conjunction because as you know the cost of a beach replenishment or anything we
do, we're we're better off working with our neighbors to share the cost of mobilization and that kind of stuff. Um we had met a month ago with a Yod doc Simmons
group. Uh they had a proposal for an idea Whether it would work or not, we're not sure. We have met with the D, Jim Bass and myself and the vendor. We are trying to get an approval process where
we can try this system. Um, we're working with the D, the Army Corps of Engineers, and it's zero cost to the township other than providing a place. We have to come up with new inventive ways. Will will it work? We're not going
to know unless we try. will fail. We're not going to know unless we try. We have to try. So, we are looking at other options. We met today fishing environmental club.
They have some suggestions and ideas and we're going to investigate some more of those. We've reached out. At this time, I'm trying to uh get some quotes from a lobbyist in Washington. I'm going ask him to pursue that.
And I think it would behoove us maybe to get a lobbyist done. I uh to forward our agenda on the beach communities. I met with one of my fellow retired mayors and they utilized a uh a lobbyist quite
successfully in their community. So that's where we're at. We don't know what that would cost us or but we're investigating. So, at that time, I'll turn it over to Jim. Jim, do you have any first? >> Jim, real quick, I just wanted to jump
in. Sorry, I forgot to mention Saturday we did have our free uh state sponsor rabies vaccination clinic and did well there. We vaccinated 50 dogs and 12 cats and that was the last one of the year. So, >> sounds like it was a success.
>> All right, Jim. >> Hey, thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the committee. Vic, I'm disappointed you didn't update the Halloween time. >> Oh man, I had 10 stars next to it. I got a million uh text messages. Thank you for reminding me because I'm just so
used to it always being 5 to 8. It's 5 to 8. There's false information going around Facebook. Our trick-or- treat is 5 to 8 as always. >> You mean Facebook has false information? >> I was getting crushed with text message on Saturday evening. What? Somebody had
said it was 3 to 6 PM and >> let's put that on Facebook directly. All right, >> we will do that. John Britain is making a flyer for that. >> All right, thank you, Jim. >> All right, appreciate Mr. Mayor. Um so in addition to the the numerous engagements we had with uh members of
the local community, state legislators, um commissioner types and relevant agencies, uh we also had additional meetings with members of the media um CBS and ACU weather in particular to to illuminate to showcase uh the erosion here in an effort to bring public
outreach to our ongoing problems. Um I also released a uh formal narrative and disseminated um to the pre to the press and members of uh the legislative body both state, federal and um and local level um to to to kind of provide
narrative to the outcry as to the erosion and the potential property damage if and when a noraster pressed those limestone rocks there. So, uh, you know, many hands make light work in an effort to, uh, to bring everyone to the table. Um, you know, I'm going to
continue effort, you know, tirelessly to to to get a solution here. Um, my second item was the the meeting with D, um, working a framework with the core of engineers and the EP to get, you know, members of, uh, the innovative community
to find ways to fix our problems, right? So, um, nothing's easy, especially when New Jersey involved. So, I I look forward to trying to partner with them and finding ways uh maybe to cut through some of the red tape and and get them to be part of our team and fixing our problems. And then uh you know, last
thing I'll mention is I met with uh members of Strath Improvement Association uh with uh Atlantic City Electric to standardize a lighting solution to Strathmir that is dark sky compliant. What does that look like? That looks like um clarifying a color temperature
of the lights, a wattage restriction, adding shielding in perpetuity, and limiting, you know, wattage of bulbs going in. So, um look forward to the partnership that they they they're partnering with us to get get after that and find ways to take care of lighting
in a safe, responsible way that provides public safety, but also protects um the the ecology there in the dude system. and uh you know our residents there on the island. So that's all I got. Mr. Mayor, >> thank you Jim. And before we go to Joanne, I want to apologize for Jim's
tie. He's a Kansas City fan. Um >> he's wearing brown, right? >> Can't wear a jersey to the meeting. So >> Joanne, do you have anything for >> I do not have anything. Thank you. >> John, do you have anything for me?
>> Nothing, Mr. Mayor. All right, Barb, do you have any news? >> I'll echo that nothing this evening. Thank you. >> All right, we're going to move right along then. And uh at this time, we're going to open it up to the public. Is there anybody from the public that would like to comment on the
agenda items? Agenda item only at this time. Seeing no public at this time, we will close the public portion and move on to the consent agenda. All consent agenda items listed below are routine in nature and will be enacted by one motion. If the mayor or
any committee member wishes a particular agenda item to be considered separately, they will be removed from the consent agenda and acted on separately. >> Like to make a motion we approve the consent agenda. Second, >> Mr. Cassaceio, >> yes. >> Mr. Nathan, >> yes. >> Mr. San Palumbo, >> yes.
>> Mr. Zack Palumbo, yes. >> Mayor Corson, >> yes. >> Motion carried. Under ordinances, we have the introduction and first reading of ordinance number 9, 2025, an ordinance amending revised general ordinance chapter 17, construction of bulkheads of
the municipal code of Upper Township. If we could have the public hearing for November 24th. >> Okay. Would somebody talk on this real quick? >> I I I'll tell you that for John. Um our ordinance for bulkheads and street openings, that's the next one to be
reint or introduced in a future meeting, um were written in a way that supports a local municipal engineer employee um to do a lot of the inspections of it. And so um without a municipal engineer employee and with us going to a
consulting firm um it shifts the cost of the inspections um to the developers as opposed to the municipality which is is pretty consistent with municipalities that have a engineering consulting firm John. >> Yeah. So, with that, I think Jim pretty
much summed it up, but what we did was we essentially added permit fees uh and inspection escrow fees to any uh application for installation of a bulkhead. So, you'll see that we have those now in the ordinance that is proposed for adoption tonight. That really is the main crux of the change.
We didn't we didn't overly alter what otherwise existed. Um there are some changes, but that was the big one, right? That was the big one is to ensure that we weren't paying for it anymore. It became on the private applicants to do that. So I guess we'll entertain a motion to
introduce this ordinance and have a public hearing on November 24th. >> I'll make a motion to introduce the first reading of ordinance number 9-20. >> Second. Please call a role. >> Mr. Casaceio, yes. >> Mr. Nappen, yes. >> Mr. San Palumbo, >> yes. Mr.
>> Zalo, yes. Mayor >> Corson, >> yes. Motion carried. >> Under unfinished business, we have the noise ordinance discussion. Okay, John. >> Yeah. So, this was I know at the time of our last meeting, I had just that day
gotten all the committee members uh a redline version of our existing noise ordinance and that for which we proposed, right, which added some more specific restrictions uh than what we otherwise had in the last ordinance, as well as including a a plainly audible
standard as it related to live music, things of that nature of some of the complaints that we've received. Um, so I put that together. You have a redlinined copy in your packets. Um, really at this point is just how how the committee feels about what we put together here. Whether you like what we did, whether
you want to get rid of some stuff. Um, the point of doing this now, it's still deliberative in the sense that it's not, you know, available to the public yet. We haven't introduced an amended ordinance, but based on feedback that we get from you here tonight, um the next step would be to go forward with with an
introduction of an amended ordinance related to noise and moving forward with a second reading and a public hearing. >> So really, it's what are your thoughts? >> I was happy with the changes you made. I'm happy to move forward. >> What What other standards exist besides plainly audible? I think we talked about
this last time, but I'm just bringing this up because the gentleman in the back said, you know, miles away almost he can sometimes hear like I can too. Like I can hear announce the football games at Caldwell from a house which is not a problem. That's >> well and really it deals with the hours
at which you're hearing them, right? So um for instance like the commercial establishments with live music, you don't want it happening all night long and keeping people up when they live across the street. >> What is it set at 10 or >> 10 o'clock? Yes. Um and we did it within 100 feet. Previously there was, I
believe, a 50 foot um plainly audible standard in here. So extending it to 100 feet makes it a little more, you know, easy for for a neighboring property owner here that feels that it's too loud to be able to try to enforce that with us. So >> and one of the benefits of plainly
audible is um often times these noise violations occur after hours. >> And so in an effort to to use our partnership with the state police to help enforce this ordinance um That would be one way that they could enforce it as opposed to like a decel meter which requires a noise conservation
officer training. They don't have they don't have that option. Right. So >> and then my second question would be time. Um >> yeah I mean >> have any two >> idea of neighboring communities say Summers Point for example there's
Bayront bars with residents around there. Are they 10 o'clock 11 o'clock? >> They are not. Summers Point's a little later. So, I'll tell you exactly what they are because I have their ordinance. Um, Summer's Point as it relates to bars is between 11:00 p.m. and 12 noon the
following day. And they also have the 100 foot um plainly audible standard. >> I would think in the summertime 11 p.m. would be reasonable, but >> I don't >> I mean I don't differentiate in the current rate. It I didn't I didn't include a seasonality aspect of it.
Point is not a resort resuge. >> Yeah. >> Somebody paying $6,000 a month. >> I can agree with that. >> And that was the latest of those ordinances I looked at. Most of them were at 10:00. >> Okay. >> So they they were like the outlier at 11,
>> I think. Yes. Is there >> so I guess two instrumentalities of this ordinance are distance and time >> right >> as long as we're good with distance as long time >> well the other thing we did too I mean we I added our last ordinance as we've
all discussed was just there wasn't much to it right in a sense so in addition to adding the restriction we just talked about related to live music and sound from commercial establishments there's also other specific restrictions that we included here uh a lot of these mirror what a lot of our neighboring
municipalities have in place, too. So, I I didn't create these out of nowhere, right? A lot of these came from those um ordinances from neighboring communities, but there are more specific restrictions located in my redline version than what exists now. >> Thank you for your hard work. Seems like
we balance the community with the business well, which is what I wanted to do. >> What's that? That's the yelling and shouting private resently on the mainland as opposed to >> hopefully not anymore. >> No yelling, shouting, hooting, hooting
or whistling either. >> Good job. >> Now, the one other thing that I did have though and I should ask because I know when we talked about enforcement, we just covered this, especially after hours. We're going to be relying a lot on the state police and our partnership with them to enforce. But when it comes
to violations or alleged violations during regular hours, we'd still have code enforcement on that. Yes, sir. >> All right. So, I will need to amend that just to ensure that that's clear. That's a minor change. Doesn't otherwise change the terms. >> So, what do we do now? Does this go to the planning board?
>> Well, we'd have to I'd have to introduce an amended ordinance. then we'd have to send it over there to make sure that it's consistent and that they have no issues with it. And then ultimately, you know, this goes through the the typical ordinance process with those public hearings and everything else. >> Just what we talked about earlier with
>> Yep. Yeah. So, it'll be available for obviously for the public to look at weigh in on that may influence changes if necessary. >> Everybody all right? Sounds good. >> We need to take a vote on it, John. >> No, no. At this point, if you guys are
okay with it, I'll I'll get it in that form and then we'll take it up from there. >> Good job. >> Uh during the Yeah, the regular public comment >> after we pay the bills, we're going to open up to the public. >> So, what's your pleasure on the bills,
gentlemen? >> Hereby move that all claims submitted for payment at this meeting be approved and then incorporated in full the minutes of this meeting. Please call the RO. >> Mr. Cassaceio, yes. Mr. Nappen, >> yes. >> Mr. Sam Pombo, yes. >> Mr. Zack Palumbo, >> yes. >> Mayor Corson, >> yes. >> Motion carried.
>> At this time, we'll open it up to the public. Would anybody in the public like to comment? Please state your name for the record here. >> Hi, Jody from Strathmir. I'm curious why Summer's Point was used when they're in Atlanta County and we are in Kate May
County and most of the examples we provided um to the township were Kate May County and the cut off time was 9:00 p.m. for the majority of them including Kate May. There's currently a 9:00 cut off time in Beasley's Point and this seems to be pushing back uh that cut off
time by an hour. So, I utilized that as one of the um neighboring ordinances, but it wasn't I didn't strictly just look at Summers Point. >> Yeah, you mentioned Margate as well, which is also not in Kate May County. >> So, I'm curious why
>> I didn't really see that being I I don't really have an answer for you. I just there were neighboring communities that I thought we could utilize for purposes of putting this together. I mean, if >> we didn't do anything yet, so if they have a difference of opinion on time, consider it. huge references and our
clerk's office, our chief financial officer. We've reached out to neighbors in Atlantic County all the time for different numbers and things. I mean, it's not uncommon. I don't think it was
any malicious reasons or anything in that nature. sometimes in Kate May County because things are a little slower down in Kate May County and they might not have ordinances that we need.
>> Okay. I appreciate >> the sharing of the information, but it does not seem to be the case when there's such an abundance of establishments that have music and specific ordinances and tourist destinations and mixed communities with resort commercial and resort residential
and then normal residential areas that it seems odd to me as a citizen of Upper Township that we would look outside our county as examples. And I I do appreciate looking and being the due diligence of looking
around. Um but when the majority of the uh municipalities in Kate May County use a 9:00 cut off time for noise, especially related to music, it seems unique that we would go to a neighboring county to use that as our uh bar. How many ordinances did you
>> Summers Point would be closer to Upper Township and Kate May would be close? >> Yeah. So >> three. I Summers Point, Margate, Seleing Resort communities. >> Do you have what a cities was? >> I have all three of them here. I can look at what the times are.
We're also considering Do Doville is an events place. You know, you're having weddings there. I don't know how a wedding could end at 9:00. Uh most weddings go to 101. That's why I was bringing up possibly even thinking of 11. >> It's a restaurant. It's not an event space. >> I mean, they
>> So, it is a restaurant. It doesn't have a variance for events. >> 10 p.m. in Seattle from what I can see here. Even so, I mean, it's a sum I my intent here with this is balancing the community with business. You know, you want to you want a bar in a business to
be successful and you want the people to be happy. I think 10 10 is a good good uh healthy medium. But >> I agree that any ordinance would help businesses be successful because they would have parameters and they would
know what they're being measured against. So, any time frame does work and does support businesses. So an hour one way or the other I don't think really hurts a business. >> John, you were you looked into the quiet zone. >> I didn't see that. So and that ordinance
was amended after BL England plan was gone. I talked to the mayor about this. That may have been something that was there that I saw previously. I didn't see it this time through when I looked. I think that the resort >> that actually that ordinance if I remember correctly the quiet time at 9:00's
point was >> very um subject to the industrial zone from the electric plant which >> if I'm not mistaken it was the short-term rentals is when it came up. So, it was the Airbnb short-term rentals is when you implemented a nine o'clock
cuto off time for amplified music in Beasley's Point and that was I think in 2023. The year might be wrong, but it was more recent than not. >> So, there is an ordinance to that effect. >> So, I'll look at the the short-term rental ordinance is different than the noise ordinance, but yeah, to our point
earlier where there's just these competing clauses everywhere, but that could be the case in the short-term rental ordinance. I'd look specifically No, it wasn't. And I'm I don't understand the connection between the two. >> It was specifically addressing amplified
music and it was a 9:00 cut off time. >> I guess the same argument that you just proposed that the Doville is not an event space. It's also not a short-term rental space. So, I don't know how it's the same. >> So, seal is 900 p.m. for outdoor music
and bars at restaurants. They're allowed to have soft music which can continue till 11 p.m. >> soft >> and that includes excursion park. >> Yeah. I mean that's >> I don't think you'd want that. >> I don't know. That's very I mean define soft music. I mean
>> that would be acoustic. >> Um >> not amplified. You see this is one of the problems with we were actually we had a discussion earlier about our parking ordinance because we have situations our ordinance book or code enforcement books that we can't enforce
because there's not clarity. So obviously if we have something with not clarity and is mentioned in 9 p.m. I mean we got issues. So we're trying we have a lot of ordinances that have problems. We're trying to sort through
them and code enforcement in like our prosecutor and everybody's trying to sort through them. So, we are trying to rectify that. >> Do you have the you said CI was nine? >> Yes, it is. Do you have that section of the noise ordinance where that is >> previously I can't pull it up on my
phone. Outdoor music at bars and restaurants must end by 9 p.m. unless it is soft music which can be continued until 11 p.m. However, public venues like Excursion Park have a different standard and may allow music up until 11 p.m. >> I'm not seeing that one. the one I'm looking at here.
>> Here we are. I mean, that's >> even an interpretation of soft music. I mean, some people think that I mean, define soft music. I mean, >> not amplified. I think that's what it means. >> There's some people Yeah. soft music
would be like a melody. So, I would just request that you would re-review this in context to Seisle >> since that is our neighboring community and that the other two um locations fall outside Cape May County. I understand why you use them, but I believe there's litigation occurring in Summers Point
because of the Point restaurant um because they've changed the cut off time is there and I don't know if that litigation has resolved itself because they extended their hours for outdoor music and it caused litigation. So, thank you. And I do appreciate everyone looking at the ordinance. I
think it would make it helpful for both residents and businesses to have something standardized across upper township. >> All right. What So on this those comments, do we want to listen? It's completely up to you guys. I mean,
>> send it back for reinvestigation or you feel comfortable? >> It's got to go to the planning. >> It's got to go to the planning board. >> Well, we'd have to introduce, right? We we'd have to come up with something that we can then send to them to make sure that it works. So we we would need
>> we need to put something in an amended ordinance to propose to them say, "Hey, we're looking at nine. We're looking at 10 or whatever it is." >> So I I would need that from you guys before we >> draft amendment. >> Right now this is 10 >> right now. The way that I have it drafted correct, we have it at 10.
>> Do we want to look at the find out what this nine o'clock is? >> I can. If you guys would like me to do that, I can do that. >> But it's a two week delay. I mean it's every time we >> let's get it right. >> So look into that. Okay. >> Yes. And maybe look at some of our other
neighboring ordinances on if we can. I mean >> yeah we can >> let's pick up a middle township because middle township I think would be >> kind of like us a little bit in some aspects. >> Yep. >> Yeah. I'm just trying to does middle >> they don't have a resort community beach
but there's nothing there. >> Right. Right. I think you look at bay like bayfront water marina type bars restaurants set the standard >> low lower township might have something. >> Yeah, they for North Kate may or something. Yeah, we can look and see what they've done.
>> All right. Is there anyone else in the public like to address township committee? >> Yes, sir. >> Anything you want? >> This one's anything. Tom Mcanny, 13 Braden Drive, Marura. Um, so I'm just uh in reference to the
boat being parked in the driveway um ordinance. So I pay over $9,000 a year in property taxes. Um that would then force my hand if I couldn't park my boat in the driveway to
pay between 2500 and $3,000. I I don't see how um the town would see it as an eyesore compared if you can have a one or two unregistered vehicles in your driveway,
how that would be um having a boat would be less attractive than doing that. Mr. Mayor, you also compared it to like having an HOA. I think the vast majority of people that reside in Upper Township leave here because they don't want to
have an HOA that tells you you can't paint your door this color. >> Well, see well that's yeah planning and zoning at a municipal level is like a giant HOA for the community. That's what I meant by that. Not how you
paint your house, the color you paint your house, but the intent of the rule of the law when it zon zoning ordinance was written was to eliminate boats in the front yard to allow them to be parked in the side and
rear yards. There was always that ordinance has been around for 20 years. What we're trying to do is clean up some inconsistencies in the ordinance. If you take your boat and you park it in your front yard, and I'm not see there's been a salted approach, your boat is
probably a wonderful boat. I'm not saying this, but if somebody, let's say your neighbor, he parks his boat in his front yard, okay? It's comes winter time now. His boat's in his front yard. Looks great. He covers his boat. Let's say he
uses a blue tarp, ties it down with cinder blocks. Does that Where's it start? Where does it stop? Then the blue tarp blows apart. Then it's all over the neighborhood. I mean, that's why there's rules. That's why there's
>> uh Yeah, I'm aware and I agree with that. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be. It just this seems very overreaching. Um to have it's it's a way of life here. >> I mean, >> you know, a really big portion of the of the township. >> Well, you can look at Dennis Township,
for example. Dennis Township, they have zoning laws. They have z rules. You're not allowed to park your boat in your front yard in Dennis Towns. >> So, is there anything that's stopping you from having a registered vehicle and the boat attached to it in the roadway?
>> No. >> So, yes, there is. Our our current my opinion at least is that our current ordinance, chapter 7, I don't think it allows that at all. >> You can't put your vehicle hooked to a boat in the room. >> I don't believe so. Not the way that our ordinance reads right now. home. But if
you're on vacation, >> chapter I'll just read it to you. Chapter 7, section 18, it says parking prohibited. All right. The the title of that section is parking in vehicles on township streets prohibited. And it says no person shall park or cause to be parked. any commercial motor vehicle,
non-commercial truck, truck, omnibus, school bus, whole trailer, trailer, or recreational trailer with a gross weight of four tons or more or any camper, recreational vehicle, boat or utility trailer, regardless of weight on any Township Street at any time.
That's what it says right now. >> So, when you put your boat in at the boat ramp, it's Bay View Avenue >> Mhm. and you park your trailer on Bay Avenue for the boat that you're using our boat or on Taylor Avenue. It's illegal
>> pursuant to the existing ordinance. >> That's crazy. >> I mean, if we're going to be in the resort community and not allow boat trailers to use our boat, >> and that's a separate chapter than either of the two we discussed earlier. And I guess that would go for in Beasley's point when there's not enough
parking for people and they park on the road that's technically >> I subject to enforcement by our code enforcement officer. Yes. >> Enforcement has used a softanded approach. I mean he met you when you moved your boat to the street for a storm.
>> Yes. So yeah, that so that was my I initially parked this whole thing came up because it was a state of emergency Saturday, Sunday. I don't want my neighbor's tree falling onto my boat. I slow it down to the driveway. Tuesday morning I get a summon. That's that's
how this whole thing kicked off and I was like, let's just have a little bit of discretion um as far as enforcement goes. >> Well, our code enforcement for the most part has not past history has not been proactive. And
what normally happens is when we don't have proactive code enforcement, it pits neighbor against neighbor. Somebody has to complain. So our code enforcement has become a little more proactive. And I'm not
saying that's what happened or why it happened, but a neighbor could have actually complained because your boat was in the street, too. >> Sure. So maybe another approach for on the enforcement is put it on the neighbor. Do you want to sign a complaint? Sign a complaint. That's al that's also an option.
>> That's not how zoning should work. They should not pit neighbor against neighbor. >> I I agree. But you you can also have somebody that's going to pick that apart and then because it's going to go tit for tat and that just it's never going to go away. >> So you're going to in a neighbor
dispute. So all I'm saying is then they essentially can go in front of the court and then they can the accuser can then call out whatever the issue is instead of putting it on the township in certain circumstances. >> Well, >> I think the biggest issue with that is
just it leads to leads to differing results at different parts of the township where someone cares a neighbor cares here doesn't care there. The same thing is like with a lot of the ordinances, you know, we have a natural disaster like Hurricane Sandy, everybody drags all their garbage out to the
street. Are we going to have them crushing out every single ordinance you can and you're going to have discretion? Be like, "Hey, everybody's trying to survive here, right?" It's the same thing as me parking my my boat in the street and I'm like, "Come on, guys. If
it was Wednesday and I got the ticket, 100% just eat it." But to have it the literally the day that they lift it and that's neither here or I'm not arguing that that someone's here. I'm just saying to have some discretion, but a lot of these the rules that are on the
books, it's it's impossible to even own a boat in Upper Township when I pay $9,200 a year. I should be able to park my boat in my driveway. >> Appreciate your feedback. >> Thank you. Is there anyone else would like to
address? >> Yes, sir. >> I'm Frank from Strathmir. Um, appreciate you guys looking into the noise ordinance. Uh, personally, I kind of support what Seal's done with stopping amplified music after 9:00 p.m. I know
we'll have a lot more discussion. you'll do more due diligence and we're going to come up with something that's beneficial to everyone. So, it'll be a peaceful coexistence. The one thing that I found particularly frustrating over the past few years is the the enforcement of it and knowing who to contact and where to
go when there are issues, both during hours, whether it's 2:00 p.m. or 2 a.m. So, however this ends up, um, ideally, I would love to see just a very clear definition of what path the neighbors need to take if there is an issue that
is going to result in some sort of action and someone coming out. We've gone to the township. Township said go to county. County said, "Well, you have to call the state police." State police say it's a township issue. So, however this ends up, I would just like to see very clearly defined how we enforce it
and who we can go to. >> Yes. >> You'll have and we have that. >> Very good. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Is there anyone else you'd like to address committee? >> Okay. Okay. At this time, we're going to entertain a motion. We'll close the
public portion and entertain a motion to go into close session. >> I hereby move the resolution be incorporated into the minutes authorizing the township committee to enter into executive session for the following matters pursuant to open public meetings act. Matters are one personnel. Two, contract negotiation
shared service agreement for OEM coordinator. Three, contract negotiation affordable for housing administrative services. for contract negotiation municipal court. I will also include in my motion the estimated time and circumstances under which the discussion
conducted in closed session can be disclosed to the public as follows. A. It is anticipated that the matter discussed in closed session may be disclosed to the public upon the determination of the township committee that the public interest will no longer be served by such confidentiality. Be
with respect to the employment and personnel matters. Such discussions will be made public if and when formal action is taken or when the individuals involved consent that it can may be made public. And C with respect to contract
negotiations such matters will be made public when negotiations have ceased and there is no longer a reason for confidentiality. >> Second. Please call the role. >> Mr. Caceio, yes. Mr. Nappen, yes. Mr. San Palumbo, yes. Mr. >> Zambo, yes. >> Coren, >> yes. pushing.
>> All right, let's take a couple minutes. Stretch your legs.