Okay. In compliance with the open public meeting law, I wish to state that on June 19th, 2025, notice of this meeting in the Upper Township Committee was posted on the official township bulletin board, the Upper Township website,
emailed to the Atlantic City Press, the Ocean City Sentinel ledger, the Herald Times, and file with the township clerk. Tonight's meeting is being video recorded up until the close session portion of the meeting and it will be available on the upper township website. I hereby direct this announcement be
made part of the minutes of this meeting. If everyone would please stand for the flag salute and after the flag salute I want to ask you to remain standing. We have lost a a dear friend of the townships and a fellow retired mayor Dan Lockwood passed
away this morning from Middle Township. So I would ask everyone to please remain standing for a moment of silence. United States of America to stands nation indivisible.
Right. Thank you. Please call the role. Mr. Cassaceio here. Mr. Nap here. Mr. Sam Palumbo here. Mr. Zach Palumbo here. Mayor Corson present. All members are present. Okay. We're going to start with the report of governing body members. Uh
start with you, Victor. Oh, that's great. I never get to go first. Good evening, everybody. Thank you so much for braving the heat and coming out to join us on this evening. Um, speaking of the heat, from a EMS perspective, please make sure that uh staying hydrated out there, checking on uh friends and family
that might need it, taking good care of your pets in this uh crazy little heat wave that we're in, which I would imagine will uh still be here next weekend when we have our summer kickoff celebration. EMS will be on site
providing care to anybody that needs care in that moment. Our EMS camp kicked off today for the kids. Uh they had a great time according to Chief Britain who sent me a text earlier today and
that's going off very well. And echoing Kurt's sentiments, Dan Lockwood was a very very great man. um he and his wife Sylvia were very influential and helped us out a lot. So my condolences to Dan
Dan's family um at this time of loss and that's all I have tonight. Thank you. Okay, Zach, do you have any words tonight? Well, yesterday I was fortunate to get to Strath Beach again public works great job on trying to get the uh pathways up
there. Um I was there for the uh bubbles on the beach for brain tumors. Uh, always good event, you know, good cause, everything. Uh, just echoing what uh, uh, Mr. Nappin is saying, definitely stay hydrated. It's way hot out there.
It's good. All right, Sam, do you have any? Uh, all I had to say is, uh, we have our summer celebration this week. Uh, please come out and support this event. Uh, it's going to be a wonderful time and thank you to public works and to Larry Cole for helping plan the entire event. Uh, and I look forward to
everyone being there. Tyler, do you have any questions? Uh, yeah, I'll be brief, Mr. Mayor. Uh, had preliminary discussions with the neighboring town this week about possibly using our court service. Uh, now that Dennis Township has left and was nice, productive meeting. I don't
want to give too many details and get ahead of myself there, but a good start to the first negotiations there. And uh, we had a couple big meetings as far as CO and everything this week. That are ongoing projects. So, nothing revealed yet, but same plenty of business. Yes. All right. Thank you, Tyler. Thank you.
And I just want to remind everyone our Fourth of July celebrations are going to be held and we hope to see everyone there. And I want to caution everyone if you have fireworks and you set off fireworks in your yard, please be cognizant of the extreme heat and the
dry conditions. Um, also the upper township has uh the residents of Stratford do a parade. Um the township committee has been involved with the upper township parade for years and it works well. It's a wonderful parade and
it's run by the citizens of Stratner and it works so well because government is not involved but we were involved as participants and we're all invited and hope to see everyone at the upper township straier parade July 4th at 10
o'clock. So moving right along Jim you have anything for today? Hey, appreciate the opportunity, Mr. Mayor. Um, fourth week on the job, right? So, the three things that I'd like to touch upon is uh I've been working diligently with the engineering community um trying to line
up, make sure we have a seamless transition from our two engineering firms to ensure the township is postured in in the weeks, years, months ahead um to to pick right up where we left off with Ryan and the amazing work he's done and to ensure there's no gap in coverage. Second thing is uh I've been
successful in completing my first round of meet and greets with the staff. Uh my initial impression is uh impressive. We have a we have a key group uh extremely knowledgeable professional team at Echelon um doing the yman's work doing great things um who know their job and
and just do wondrous things for this community. And then the last thing I'll touch upon is uh I've had continual engagements with the DP um Chris Constantino, Mark Davis to ensure our compliance with the emergency beach doom permit uh while working uh with Mr.
Delasio, his team in the months ahead to ensure that uh these emergency permits uh become a thing of the past and we operate on a uh a beach and do maintenance permit for the outers that sustains us. Um and then uh you know allows us to avoid these problems we're
experiencing right now. Yes. Thank you. Yep. Joanne, do you have anything for us? I have nothing. Thank you. Okay. John, do you have anything for tonight? Uh yes, Mr. Mayor. Uh we'll talk a little bit obviously later. We have a public hearing for liquor license renewal that everyone knows about. I'll touch on that when the time comes. But
um I also just wanted to briefly touch on uh each of the five of you are aware of some of the ongoing issues that we've um been dealing with at Osprey Cove. Uh I know that I've gotten calls from from a number of you related to uh residents that have reached out to you providing you with information as to those issues.
I just want to make everybody aware that we are uh diligently acting uh where able and necessary to uh remediate some of the issues that are have come to light uh and ensuring that any conditions of site plan approval uh pertaining to that property are followed
through on. I I want to make clear though um because I know there's some residents here tonight that are part of that community. Everything that we're doing is to ensure that the approvals that that development had in place from the time it was created uh that that they're adhering to those things, right? Uh what we're not looking to do is get
involved in a private landlord tenant dispute. I've discussed this with all of you guys as well, right? There's there's public interest here. There's also private interest at work. So we I just want to make clear to the residents, we're not attempting to get ourselves involved in that, but be aware um that
we will ensure any issues that relate to site plan um requirements uh for that property and the current owner are adhered to moving forward. So, just be aware of that and I'll continue to touch base uh as as issues arise, should they? That's it for now, though. Thank you,
John. Thank you, Barb. You have anything for just want to say um thank you to Ryan. It was a pleasure working with you and wish you well. That's all. Ryan, you have I'll keep it very brief tonight. Um since tonight is
my last meeting, I just wanted to say thank you to the committee. uh definitely gave me all the support I needed in my time as town engineer. So, thank you again. Um I also want to thank the township staff who have been great to me in my time here. Um Joanne, John,
Barbara, as well as Liz, April, and Dory in the construction department. And on top of that, Craig and Mike from public works. The township has a great staff, very good professionals, and definitely have a great future ahead of you. So again, just wanted to say thank you. Um,
hope to work in the township in the future and wish you all the best. Thank you. And I just want to say Ryan, it has been a pleasure working with you. And Ryan is still going to be around because there's a couple projects that he's going to finish up for us. The Living Shoreline is one of them. The
bike, we have a couple definitely. Yeah. So, there's a few projects that Ryan's going to be involved with, and it's been an honor and pleasure working with you, Ryan. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Pickle ball, I think, is Yeah, sure is. Pickle ball is that's on the
top of the list. Ryan's still my guy. So, all righty. Uh, moving right along. We're going to uh ask for public comment for anything on the agenda, limited to agenda items
only. Would anybody like to comment on anything on our agenda? And I I'll note the public hearing is scheduled for later. We'll have a a separate public comment period. Yes. For the record, Natalie Natalie
Nice. Um could you speak to number five? That's for the safe routes to school grant. It's just a requirement that the DOT makes us do for the grant procedures. And um number nine, what can you say about
that? Number nine. Yes. Number nine is reporting uh Flazio and Associates is a township engineer for the township above. It's pretty straightforward. We're appointing a new engineer.
You what? We're appointing a new engineer. Okay. Um Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Anyone else in the public that would like to comment on the agenda items? Did you already put this hearing? No
public comment at this time. We will Okay. Close the public portion until the next public portion. If um we get a motion second for the minutes. Oh, sorry about that. I missed the minutes. Uh would anybody I'll make
the motion. Second. Please go on to roll. Mr. Casaceio, yes. Mr. Nappen, yes. Mr. Sam Palumbo, yes. Mr. Zack Palumbo, yes. Mayor Corson, yes. Good job. Motion carried. Uh all consent agenda items list below are routine in nature and will be enacted by one motion. If the mayor or any committee
member wishes a particular agenda item to be considered separately. It will be removed from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Motion to approve. So we do we we have to just make one correction. So number 17, which is the renewal of the light alcoholic beverage license for Lavari Land Inc. that's
going to be removed from the consent agenda tonight. That'll be acted on on a later date. Uh but we're not in a position right now to be able to to approve that by consent. Okay. So with that approval, would you please call the law? Can I have a second? I'm sorry. Second. I'll second. Mr. Casaceio, yes.
Mr. Nappen. Yes. Mr. Sam Palumbo. Yes. Mr. Zack Palumbo. Yes. Mayor Corson. Yes. Motion carried. Next. We have the public hearing for 2011 Willard Liquor LLC debate Doville in the renewal of their alcoh alcoholic beverage license for the 2025 2026
license year. Mr. Crossen is here this evening on behalf of the applicant. Um might we hear from her first related to the application and then take things from there. U good evening committee. Mr. Vanlike nice to see you. We haven't had the opportunity yet but I look forward
to working with you in the future. Um I'm here with the general manager of the Doville. Do has been operating now for several years under the new ownership. We went through before your planning board and I I think Mr. Corson you were on the planning board at that time and we went through
several nights of meetings um and during which the neighbors were actively involved and we they made comments and my client heard the comments and participated and agreed to a number of conditions uh to the site plan approval.
I brought just a few pages of the resolution because it's a 41page resolution for the planning board. I just brought the the pages which indicate that this this began in 19 in 2021. Um reviewing the site plan for this
property that's been there for over hundred years which predates all of us um and including the residents who are have submitted objections um to the committee for its consideration. From what I glean from the comments that
you've received, the main concern seems to be that the conditions of site plan approval are not were not attached to the license renewal last year. That's true. Nor need they be. My client
is fully aware that it can only operate in accordance with that site plan approval and every condition set forth in the resolution unless and until it goes back to the planning board and receives relief from any of the conditions. It's not seeking to do so.
It understands the rules of the game for its operation. It abides by them to the best of its ability. It has posted signs to prevent folks who are walking along the shore, maybe with a drink in their hand, from crossing off their property on the beach onto the
state property, which is a continuation of the beach. It's got people standing there reminding the folks that that's state law. It's not a a rule unique to the Doville, but Doville employees are there to to remind people that they
can't leave the bar property with alcohol. Could some people get past them? Absolutely. It's not 100%. But they make every effort in a good faith effort to comply with the conditions of their site plan approval. If there is a violation of site plan
approval, my client can be compelled to go first of all can can have summones issued against it for vi for zoning violations and can be brought back before the plan board. But to attach the conditions to the liquor license is first of all
superfluous and unnecessary. But second of all, it complicates their liquor license because now instead of going to the planning board and explaining the situation to people who know the property and working with the neighbors to resolve any issues, they're working
with the ABC and Trenton and it could endanger their liquor license and their ability to operate the facility. So the request from the property owner and the the lency the owner of the liquor license is to not unduly complicate
their liquor license by imposing conditions on it which are already in place. Thank you. So I think the best way to go about it is that are you finished? That's it unless there are questions. So there's the board's got any questions that Miss McCrossy can ask ask them now. I think the best thing to
do after that is then to open it to the public. We'll hear any objection in the room. Mr. McCross will have the opportunity to respond to any of those and then the board can act accordingly as it sees fit. I will just note before any questions are asked. Um I do agree with the position that special
conditions aren't required to be put into a liquor license resolution, right? Special conditions of planning board approvals. I know that in the past that had been done apparently in 2022 and 23 it was left out of the resolution last year. But to the point already made uh by the applicants council, in the event
that there's any uh violation of the requirements that are contained in that planning board resolution, the recourse is to go to the zoning office that we have here, complain of the issues, and have a citation issued if it's warranted. So not having it in a liquor license renewal resolution doesn't
preclude this this township from taking any action should there actually be a violation that exists. So I just want to be clear, it's been here before. It's been in this resolution in the past. But not having it in there last year and if you choose not to include it this year doesn't preclude you or take away your
ability to to adhere to u remedying violations if they exist. Is there attachment? I understand. Can we reference it the liquor license resolution? Can we say they're operating under approval from the planning board
resolution number XYZ 19? You absolutely could. You you can do it. All I just wanted to make it's not required. That's something you But you absolutely can if you choose that you want to go that route. I mean, so we can reference it, but we shouldn't attach it. Would that be acceptable? Mayor Mayor, if that makes it a
condition of renewal of the liquor license, again, that ties the the hands of the applicant who is surrounded evidently by neighbors who question its operation, its method, a method of operation, and
perhaps even its good faith in trying to comply with these conditions. I think what the committee might consider is whether it would be better for allegations of violations of those conditions to be handled locally or by Trenton and that so that is the difference to the point if we reference
it in in a liquor license renewal resolution and there's complaints of violations the ABC may be the body that's going to hear the any sort of hearing over those violations whereas if they complain of a violation from the planning board resolution site plan resolution that that continues to exist
right will never go way then this municipality and those that are entrusted with dealing with those issues here are the ones that would hear those violations and numerous violations were reported and Mr. advance like and our zoning officer is code enforcement is
actually handling some of them. And I'll I'll note just for the record, I I've been provided with a number of the objections, you know, that were submitted prior to tonight and I agree uh more than threequarters of those violations relate to zoning issues, not really issues related to a liquor
license renewal. So, uh to your point, I think that's that's appropriate to deal with it here. All right. So, any any questions that any of you have for the applicants council? No. Okay. Not at this time. Um, at this
time, we'll open it up to the public. Would anybody like to participate in the public hearing for 2011 Willard Liquor LLC? Hello, my name is Dodie. I'm from Strathmir. I have documents to share with the committee if I may approach and
provide them. She has documents. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your time this evening. I appreciate it. Um, good evening members of the committee. I'm here as a concerned resident to res respectfully
object to the renewal of the liquor license for 2011 Willard Liquor operating as the do unless the special conditions previously paced during the 2022 year and renewed in 2023 are reinstated. There was an arbitrary removal of the
special conditions last renewal cycle. Historically, the Dovll liquor license included reasonable and enforcable conditions designed to protect public safety and community well-being. These conditions such as sound limits, restrictions on live music hours, and
required security personnel and entrances were reaffirmed as early as the 2023 2024 licensing period. Yet last year during their license renewal, these safeguards were removed without any documented justification or evidence of
improved compliance. After submitting an OPER request seeking records to support this change, the township responded that no such documents existed. This lack of transparency and rationale is by definition arbitrary and capriccious
under New Jersey administrative law and it undermines public trust in our local government. There has been ongoing non-compliance and public safety concerns beyond the lack of jurisdiction. I'm sorry. Beyond the lack of justification
for removing these conditions, there is substantial evidence of continued non-compliance by the Lency, including unresolved planning board violations, including failure to meet parking and septic requirements, environmental infractions such as a Division of Water
Enforcement order to dis to cease operations at their beach bar that has been in place since 2024, the entire year. There's also ongoing caffra and tide land violations documented by the New Jersey Directly
related to portions of their licensed premises, specifically the docks, which they don't have a lease agreement in place yet, and the sandbar, which was built on the beach without a permit and is not approved for use. Failure to control noise, parking, and
alcohol services regularly observed by neighbors. And I have photos provided in there and I can email them so that you will have the metadata with the date and time stamp. The most recent one was June 14th, but there's multiple photos from last year as well where folks there was
no no post guard when one was required and people just freely walked out of the Doval with alcohol in hand. There's been also a significant recent enforcement action at the end of 2023
which should have impacted the renewal in 2024 where the New Jersey Division of Alcohol Beverage Control suspended the Doughbell's license in November of 2023 for violations of the ABC regulations. We have lack of local police force or
enforcement infrastructure in Strathner. Upper Township does not maintain a municipal police department, nor does it have infrastructure to actively monitor or enforce liquor license conditions. As a result, our community relies on the New Jersey State Police for enforcement
in emergency response. Incident reports which are provided from the state of New Jersey State Police show a seasonal surge in calls to the Doville N including property check checks, patron disputes, disorderly conduct, and vehicle stops. This pattern strains
already limited resources which are spread across multiple jurisdictions for the state police. Without local enforcement presence, there is no reliable mechanism to ensure ongoing compliance, especially at high volume se at this high volume seasonal venue.
Moreover, local citizens, many of are here tonight, should not have to bear the responsibility of monitoring or reporting violations as this places them in an uncomfortable and tense situation with the establishment and its patrons. The burden of enforcement must rest with
the appropriate resourced authorities to maintain community safety and harmony. There are legal and ethical obligations. The township committee is not only obligated not to rubber stamp a renewal. In fact, it's the committee's obligation
to legally and ethically perform its duty to evaluate ongoing compliance with ABC laws, zoning codes, environmental regulations, and local ordinances, to enforce previously adopted resolutions and conditions, and to consider community feedback and documented
complaints as part of its renewal process. According to ABC guidelines, municipalities may deny renewal, impose special conditions, or initiate disciplinary action if a lency fails to
comply with applicable law. Moreover, lences must sus submit an addistation of compliance during the renewal process. If there are unresolved D notices of violation or violations of local ordinances that add attestation cannot
be truthfully made. It is a false addestation and itself is grounds for denial or revocation. We are seeking reasonable and proven solutions. To address these concerns, I respectfully request the following conditions be reimposed. And you don't
have to reference the planning board. I agree it complicates things. just list them on the license. No septic pumping before 8 a.m. All music controlled by sound limiters in compliance with state decel limits. And this is not unusual. Most of most every
bar in Avalon in CL City have these special conditions on their liquor license. And they renew year-over-year without the need for a public hearing. Valet parking Thursday through Sunday from May to October. Live music limited to two sessions each of the three
holiday weekends. and all live or DJ DJ music ending at 9:30 p.m. Also, security personnel stationed at all public access points, especially the heavily trafficked beach entrance to monitor alcohol related activity and prevent
off- premises consumption. Having someone stand there with a Dobell shirt on and letting people walk out freely is not compliance. adequate staffing to ensure that open containers are not removed from the premises because this is in compliance
with ABC regulations. These are not new requirements. They were previously implemented to address real and ongoing concerns in the absence of evidence that these risks have been resolved and position the reimposition of these conditions is both necessary and
prudent. Additionally, I'm requesting that the committee require the DOEL to seek the installation of a physical barrier to apply for a Catherine permit with the DP, such as a simple rope and post
barrier to clearly define the limits of its licensed premises. This measure, with appropriate D review and approval, would help limit alcohol-related activity from spilling into public areas. Other establishments in Kate May County and Atlantic County have
successfully obtained such permits to mark and manage their license areas responsibly. We have no responsible management of the licensed premises here. Um examples would be Iconana and Diamond Beach and all the beach bars in Atlantic
City. They have fencing or ropes that mark off their licensed premises. Therefore, I respect respectfully request that the committee reimpo impose all special conditions that were imposed in 2022 as specific line items on the
license not referencing the planning board resolution. I'm also asking that as a condition of renewal, they should have documented compliance with their planning board resolutions, environmental enforcement actions, and all applicable in state and local
ordinances, and that this committee should delay final action until the applicant provides proof of resolution of all known violations. For the record, I have submitted photos and documentations of observed violations, including patrons exiting
the licensed premises with open containers, copies of the notice of notices of violation, notice of action, and an administrative order from the D. I've also attached a copy of my open request to the township requesting how it made its decision to remove the
special conditions, and there were none. This is not an opposition for opposition sake. This is about fairness, accountability, and public safety. A liquor license is a privilege. It is not a right. And the public deserves transparency, enforcement, and
responsible oversight from local government. Thank you for your time and for your service to our community. Thank you. Is there anyone else? Yes, Ted Kingston. I'm here to support my neighbors that are here. Um,
I would think that the township would want these restrictions in the liquor license to help with enforcement. The township doesn't seem to want to really bite into the enforcement aspect
of this. I know the neighbors don't like this at all, having to come here and complain all the time. It's like the last thing any of the people I know that are here is want to come here like you know bitching about the do
the help from the state liquor license board would benefit everybody. It would take some of the pressure off you. It would take the pressure off the neighbors from having to be the rats. I think the real reason that it's feared
is because as Dodie said, the this the state shut him down for a few days a couple years ago. You wouldn't have seen that from the township. No offense to anybody, but there's just not the stomach here for
that enforcement. So, like everybody would be better off. they've already acknowledged that the restrictions need to be applied to. So essentially what you're doing by putting it in the liquor license is getting a
little more help with enforcement. And I think it kind of worked and that they're, you know, we've kind of reached an equilibrium taking those restrictions away. It's like then they know they don't have to fear if if those
restrictions aren't the license. all the fears of township which hasn't really went after them. Well, Ted, as you know, the politics in the political arena has changed tremendously. Um, we have a code
enforcement officer who's been about a year on the job, I believe, plus or minus some. Somebody can fact check me, I'm sure they will. Uh, but obviously we have a new trailer who's been here about a month. It was brought up at the planning board meeting where you were at and since then
they've met with the complainant. They've met with the Duvo and some of these issues are being addressed and they will be addressed but the liquor license is not the platform or the agent or the venue
to address some of these items. So, but some of these issues are being addressed. Okay. I appreciate that, but I mean, couldn't we put the couldn't we put them back in the liquid license and see how
we are further down the road? We're going to follow our legal advice and then we're going to have a discussion after the public hearing. I'm not sure what you're telling me. I'm sorry. I said we're going to have a discussion after the public hearing and
we're going to follow our our legal advice, not their legal advice. We're going to follow ours. Okay. Thank you. Is there anyone else in the public Natalie N Petersburg? I'm not in Strath Mir. I have attended some of the meetings um about the Dville and the
concerns. I think what I heard tonight was um Mr. Ramanouser say that these were um concerns that needed to be addressed by the planning board and you Mr. Of course, and I believe you just
said they are being addressed by the planning board does not address the concerns. The planning board here's an application. Once the application makes it through the planning board process, it is up to the code enforcement to enforce the
planning board decision and resolution. The planning board physically does not go out and inspect the site or enforce it, but the code enforcement does. Yes. And you've said now we've had a change over in code enforcement. So that we had
a change over in administration. Code enforcement was on the scene I think uh Thursday. Well, I mean, we're talking a hundred years and, you know, things have changed and
um I I heard the term arbitrary and capriccious and I um think it would be um unfair to um put conditions against the DO at this point. I mean, we have other liquor licenses and um I'm sure
the state of New Jersey does as well. And you know, to me, I think that could be a real liability to the township. Um, as this woman requested to um not renew the alcohol license, I think
that you know that the issues need to be separated out. I mean, there's certain things that go with the ABC and then, you know, the deep issues that have been going on in the township and changing over the last zoning violations have nothing to do with the liquor license.
We're we at this point in time, if I'm correct me if I'm wrong, John, we listen to ABC violations. We're not here to address zoning violations. It can all it can all enter into your your mindset, right, when you're determining whether or not to do this.
You can think about zoning issues should they exist, but you're you're not limited to enforcement of any violations of zoning issues through resolution, renewing a liquor license. you've got the authority through your zoning office and your code enforcement office to address those issues. So, what I was
referencing earlier is that it's absolutely not a requirement to have those in this resolution. If you wanted to include them, there's nothing stopping you from doing that, but it is not a requirement and you're not precluding yourself from being able to enforce the code and any violations that exist if you didn't have it in the
resolution. Okay. All right. Is that it? I think that's it. Thank you. Thanks. Is there anyone else who would like to address public? Hi. Good evening, Victoria and Strathmir.
Um, in 2022 and 2023, it was deemed important to have these um zoning conditions put on the liquor license. Nothing has changed in the positive direction since they were dropped. Everything has gotten worse with the
Doville. And um I know frequently when the council for Doville stands up here and speaks, they talk about it's a hundred-y old business. We would love the 100-year-old business to be back. It is a hugely expanded looks nothing like the business even of eight years ago.
So Well, that's not practical. I mean you would like to see the 100-y old business back. I'd like to see the the houses from 100 years ago. No, I get that. But it seems to be an important point that's brought up over and over again by council that this is a
hundred-year-old business as though that gives it some credence for what it's doing. And um I just object to that. I also object to the idea that um the neighbors object to its operation. We don't object to its operation. We object
to its operating out of bounds on a regular basis and continuing to get worse. So being that these conditions were in there before, they were taken out last year, it's significant. It was bad before and there was no code enforcement. We complained and wrote
letters. Nothing ever happened. But there was no reason to take it out. Now that it's been taken out, it's way worse. And I agree with everything that Dodie said. I agree with everything that Ted said. It gives more teeth to
enforcing this. and they seem to be very concerned about these being in there and because they're not complying. They're not taking the effort to comply. And the stuff that was shown to you guys, we've witnessed it over and over again. I have
tons of pictures to show. It's just gotten way worse. It's an incredible circus atmosphere around Doville and it's a strain on the environment and we need more help in bringing them within some realm of compliance. So, thank you
for your time. Thank I'm Mark from Strathmir. Um, if the Doville were complying with everything that was in the site plan and were following all the rules and regs of the township, the county, of the D, of the state, we wouldn't be here. We wouldn't be having this discussion. But
unfortunately, that's not the case. There violations of sound, of parking, of alcohol leaving premises, of guards being posted, of septic pumping. Dodie provided a fairly comprehensive list. The Doville has had an ABC license three
years, three different seasons. The first two the conditions were uh attached and if you actually read the license, you will see that both the Doville and Mccrosen agreed to and accepted the conditions
and and they left. So you ask why put them in here if the real recourse is just to go to the site plan? The reason is there's several. It's an opportunity for the township to tell the Doville, we're really serious about these things. We're so serious that we're teeing them
up and putting them in the ABC renewal. So, you know, we're taking this seriously. Why on the highway is the speed limit posted multiple places, multiple times, so people are reminded that this is the law. This is important. So my request is
that the conditions that were attached to the license the first two of the three years that it was approved be reinstated. That's all. I think it's an important message from the town to the licensing. And what years were the conditions attached? I can I'm going to
touch on that because I I know it's come up a few times now. So the first two years 22 and 23 those conditions were attached. In 2024, this past year, they weren't attached. But I'll note there was no objection to the renewal of the license filed by anybody last year because they were following the
conditions of 2020. I don't know why. I can't speak for it. I wasn't here. But there was no objection filed last year. And without objection, that license was renewed without any special conditions at the time. Okay. I'd like to correct something as a matter of fact. Sure. It was attached for the 2223 season and the
2324 season. It was attached twice, right? I just It was not attached in the 2425 season. So there are three licenses attached the first two times, not the third time. Okay. All right. Any questions or nothing. Thank you. All right. Thank
you. The DOA's had their license since 2019 as well. Okay. Linda Baitman from Strathmir. And actually I have a question for a planning board member. Um, do site plans change? Was there or was it an incorrect assumption that the resol that the
restrictions would carry forward? Everyone assumed they would stay in place as agreed upon. If a site plan changes, they come in. Obviously, part of a site plan review or site plan uh application, yes,
the conditions could change. It's just not that's why they come back in front of the planning border zoning board is to change some the condition that they had. There was a condition in a site plan approval. It can't be changed unless there's an amended approval granted. Okay. So, I guess I'm asking the wrong question. Were we incorrect in
assuming that those restrictions would be enforced until someone came and changed the site plan? I don't understand. No enforcement was made. Enforcement isn't going to happen just to happen, right? if there's a complaint that somebody alleges there's a violation that occurs. That's
when typically the municipality will go out and investigate. So that's the opportunity to do that has been there since that site plan was approved. Nothing's changed in that regard. Does zoning and code enforcement there's not enough manpower and nowhere
that I am aware of do they go out and take the resolution and do an annual inspection of a business. The township does not have the resources to do that. Exactly. And they do not But does the township have the I I thought that the site plan as approved
by the planning board was in effect until it was changed. Yes, it is. So these violations so that they there was what was the reason that it wouldn't have been attached wasn't the assumption that it that they would continue to carry through. So I I'll just repeat what I
said earlier. There's not a requirement for it to be attached. I understand that even if it's not attached, it does not preclude the municipality from enforcing the requirements of that resolution. So, but to imply that people didn't object last year when the assumption was that
those would be continuing. I was just stating a fact that there was no objection last year in these people's defense. Joanne, Victor, and myself were the only three of these that were actually involved with this last year. Nobody else. There was different legal counsel, there was different
administrators. It was probably not attached by a pure oversight. I don't know why it wasn't attached. We did not receive any objections, nor did we receive any complaints that I know of until late August. Yes. Regarding a security uh people leaving the premises.
And and I have one other question that I'd like you to consider. I can't figure out how the township benefits whether the Doville has 50 people there on a weekend or 400 people on a weekend. We don't have a resort tax. What we do have
is stress on our community, on our first responders when they advertise weddings for up to 400 people or giant parties. That's that's great. But what do we benefit from that? We we have more calls to the police. We have more calls for ambulance. um we have more stress on the
neighbors and and finally I know that Dodie has been very active but but Dodie is impacted by this and Dodie has faced repercussions as have many of the neighbors up to and including her address being put on Facebook people riding by throwing trash hollering at
her. So, it's not easy neighbor against neighbor and it's not easy to live where you would expect to be able to open your windows where you would expect to be outside and not hear music, not hear things. We can hear from blocks and blocks away if the wind is right. We can
hear the speeches at the weddings. It's it's it's not an exaggeration. And and we feel, for instance, the violation of the picnic table stored in the parking lot all winter long. Where were the cars going to go? It's in the plan that you have x number of spaces, not just in the
summertime, but x number of zoning violations. It is a zoning violation. And is it up to us for the entire winter? No one from the township would have noticed that. Why is it up to us? It would be great for it not to be up to us, not for us to be the ones who have
to complain. Yeah, I honestly I did notice them. I think they were put there sometime late November or December, and I did notice them. And well um the alternative is ma'am can we you ask questions you have to give them the ma'am you have to give them the
opportunity to respond to the alternative was they should have left them on the beach probably which probably would not have been a safe or smart thing to do then we've been complaining because they were washed out the sea washing up on the beach so I doubt I think there is a solution to that but that doesn't belong that's just
an example that's that that's that does not belong in this hearing or is it part of this discussion So that was part of the discussion they had Thursday and it's going to be an ongoing discussion. My point is that just because you don't hear complaints because we don't want to sound like
those whiners that are always complaining, just because you don't hear things, um it just means that people may have given up or maybe they don't want to be the ones to stick their necks out over and over and over again. We really do need your help and your support. Yes.
Is there anyone else? Mike Jones parking authority proper township for 2024. What would consider you not to approve the liquor license for the Duville? Like what is a violation? Like
is what I'm trying to understand. Like alcohol leaving the premises, loud music. I I so I I view loud music, parking, those are in my opinion, okay, more akin to zoning issues. Leaving a premise with alcohol and not all not
monitoring that is most certainly a liquor license related issue. Thank you. So working parking authority last summer on Saturday and Sunday night, Friday and Saturday nights, I met many wonderful people in Strath. I saw many people leave the duill
out of the front entrance on the willard from the doobill. I never witnessed one person leave the dill with open containers. There's another bar down the street on Bay Avenue.
They came in droves from down Bay Avenue with open containers. I watched it for four hours. I listened to the Duville get blamed for leaving trash through Strath beer of drink cups.
But yet for all the hours I worked in Strathier I never saw alcohol come out the front door of the Dill. I never once heard music at nine o'clock at night
from the Duville. Now this is Friday and Saturday night. So I would think that you have music on Friday and Saturday night. Okay. Never once. And I was parked right next door to the Dubo. I never heard their music. I never had an issue
with rock rockous people fights. Yeah. Did I see drunk people? Absolutely. They have a business in shopping. They employ a lot of residents. I would love to not hear a septic truck
before 8:00 in the morning. The township seems in violation of that one. Okay. So, to live in a perfect world, none of us would hear a portaot or a septic at 8:00 in the morning. In a perfect world, nobody would hear an
electric a gas lawn mower running at 6 o'clock at night. Okay? But we don't live in a perfect world. It sounds to me in my opinion that most of the alcohol that's leaving the Duville is going out by the state
park and they're not even people that are parked at Strathmir. They probably have boats, jet skis down on the inlet and that's where they're leaving from. Now maybe Duvo put a couple extra people
on duty and watch the alcohol leaving from the inlet side. Was it leaving from there or was it being turned around when they were trying to enter the Dville with alcohol? Sorry. Were they leaving there or were they turning turned around when they tried to enter the Dville carrying alcohol which you're not allowed to do either. That's that's very
possible. But from where I sat and where I saw everything, I don't know that. But just from everything I'm hearing here is we have a business that employs a lot of people and this is why everybody lives with inconveniences.
If you don't like the inconvenience a lot of people like here in this if you don't like his business then you should have bought it and then you could have opened up your own business. The guy is making a living. He's cleaned the place up.
working with Julian and Adam. Craig and I have worked with them hand in hand between the Duville and yesterday's or Creek Side Tavern, I'm sorry, with their recycle dumpsters, their container areas, and they've been
nothing but great business people. Is there anyone else? Good evening. My name is Sophia Wasnesca. I live on Bay in Strair. Um I've been living in Straer since 1976 and I spoke my neighbors in a request to
reimpose the 20 2022 2023 conditions in Adobeville. There are huge help when it comes to decibel readings, parking problems, and alcohol violations. And I ask for your support in doing that. Thank you. All right. Thank you.
Is there anyone else that would like to comment on the duo license? Hearing no more public comments on the Duville liquor license, we will close the public portion of this meeting and we're going to So I think at this point we should allow Miss McClen time to um just rebut or react to any of the public
comment made. Thank you. I I want you to know that my client is not unsympathetic with the neighbors. Although the neighbor shouldn't have to have this a copy of the site plan and the conditions handy and the code enforcement officer should not have to
come to my client's site with the with the list on a clipboard and clip check things off. I can tell you that Adam Mer who is a general manager does have a copy of those that he keeps handy. There is a sound limiter. They do have valet parking. They do post people to try to keep them from walking off the site.
They do the best that they can and they are serious about a good faith effort to comply with all of the rules that they need to comply with to keep the establishment open. They understand that violating the site plan conditions could
jeopardize the liquor license and the business. So, they take it very seriously. They're not happy that the that the neighbors are are feeling put upon by this by this business and they wish that they could get along better with the neighbors.
They make every effort to. Um, as was pointed out, they're not the only establishment in town where some of these infractions could emanate, but they certainly are not pointing fingers at their, you know, co-licenses or the the other folks in town who have licenses.
There are open DP files. I can tell you that the owner of the uh of the Doughville has been working for over a year on a plan to install a new septic system um in order to eliminate the frequent pump out of the septic uh the
the current septic system and that will be coming forward as another upgrade to the property, one that will not be visible but which will be impactful for the neighbors. So, he continues to try to address the concerns of the township, be a good neighbor to his neighbors, and
upgrade the property in the way that the D requires and comply with all the township and the ADC regulations. We we thank you for the time tonight. I have a question. Um, at the beach property line, is there signage?
There was. Yes, there is. Is there any kind of snow fencing or anything at that? Sir, can you can you along the dune? We we it's a very highly sensitive site environmentally and as I think it was Dodie pointed out, we would need the EP
approval to put up anything. You know, the tables tables were pulled off the beach while they were doing beach maintenance. Um and of course they'll be put back and they were put in the parking lot when the parking lot needs were not as great. So they they'll certainly not be there when all that
those parking spaces are needed when when the place is busy. Um those are the kinds of adjustments that I think all of the resort business owners make in the off season preparing for the next season. If that's a problem with the township, it's certainly something that
we'll talk to code enforcement about and work around. I think there's a way they can sort that out. I'm sure there is. Whether it's they use five, six parking spots and they close four tables inside for the winter while the parking I mean I'm sure there's an achievable solution
there. Those kinds of adjustments can absolutely be made and my client will and continue to work with zoning officials as as needed. I mean they're not the only place I can tell you there's a almost across the street there's another establishment. They had parking tables
in a pile in air parking lot for a year and a half and they may have a few fewer parking spaces than the Delville does. Quite a few fewer. So, um, you guys have any other questions? Would is there any way you can
investigate like a split rail fence or snow fence temporary while the beach bar is open? We are working on those some D approvals and I can absolutely talk to the engineer who's drawing those to see if that would be something that's possible. As you know, putting up anything on the
beach can be difficult. But if Dodia is seen these in Atlantic City, they're evidently permitted in some places. That may be the beach and this is the bay. That could be a difference. So, we can certainly look into that. Maybe some kind of temporary snow fence for the season. I'm just, you know, spitballing with you.
There's no other questions. Anything else? We have nothing further. All right. Thank you. So, so with that, at this point, um it's obviously up to you guys through a motion, second vote to consider what you want to do with this application. So, as I mentioned earlier,
the special conditions we noted were um imposed in license renewal resolutions prior to this past year's resolution where it was removed. As I mentioned, there was no objection to last year's renewal, which may or may not have been the reason that it wasn't imposed at the
time. You're not under any obligation to impose special conditions on a liquor license renewal. Right? If you choose to do so, you can, but again, you're under no obligations to do it. You've heard the objections of many, many of the surrounding property owners and residents of the township. Many of those
issues appear to center around zoning issues. Not all, but many. Uh, and there are other avenues for which you can enforce those violations should they occur, as I mentioned to you earlier, particularly through your zoning office and code enforcement. That said, if you want to impose special conditions, it's completely within your purview. Well, I
think the conditions that were opposed in 22 or 23, obviously, and it wasn't last year, it was removed for some reason, and I venture to guess it was probably an oversight. Um, yeah, I right. I can't speak to it. I honestly don't really remember. And I
wasn't you were obviously you weren't in legal counsel at the time. So you don't know nothing in the records to suggest why. So at this point what we'd be looking for is a motion second and then a vote
on the uh the request. Was it detrimental? I I was there any reason not to put the conditions back in? Was it detrimental at the APC or I was I guess for the application? Yeah, you can ask.
Every one of the regul uh conditions that have been you've been asked to put on a liquor license are in the planning board condition. I didn't hear any that the neighbors proposed that are not already rules that we have to follow.
So, the fact that they were on the liquor license, not on their liquor license, will not make a difference to my client's efforts to comply with all of the rules it needs to comply with. And the the potential detriment was discussed earlier is that if it's in the resolution for a liquor license renewal
and there's issues or violations alleged to have occurred, it may be the ABC hearing that that issue as opposed to the local planning board where the municipality has more of a say. So, it's a matter of if we put it in there, this may be people in Trenton making a call on this issue. If we don't and there's
issues, it's coming back to your to the municipality in a sense through violations issued by your zoning and code enforcement officers. The only previous condition that's not in the planning board resolution is the security guards at the entrances. That would be the only one that we could not control through zoning. It would be
Yeah. related to their alcohol special. So we could put absolutely the security guards um at the entrances including the entrance to the course and zenit bridge property during all hours when alcohol is served.
The other ones are in the planning board resolution. While this is being discussed I do have a conflict with the doville and also yesterday's creek side. So, I do have to abstain from this discussion. Thanks for giving us that. Sorry, didn't
get a chance to get a word of advice. So, with that, I I think you should anytime you're making a motion, I think you should make it in the affirmative. Motion with no special conditions. How you vote is ultimately up to you, but but the motion's on the floor in the affirmative to renew the license. I think we should, if we're going to use
the planning board resolution, I think we need to be The planning board resolution has no reference to the security. I think it was for the security ways I think was now or no. Yes. So, so maybe the better the better res or uh
motion may be um motion to approve the renewal of the alcoholic beverage license for 2011 Willard Liquor LLC DVA Doville in for the 2025 2026 calendar year with a condition that the lency maintain security guards at all entrances to the license premise
including the entrance adjacent to Corson's Inlet Bridge property during all hours when alcohol is available for purchase between Memorial Day and Labor. day inclusive. Such guards shall be trained to prevent removal of open containers of alcohol from the license prints. Would you like to make that motion?
Would you like to include that motion? No. I'll make that motion. Well said, John. Second that. All right. Roll call. Mr. Casaceio.
Yes. Mr. Napping. Abstain. Mr. Sam Balo. Yes. Mr. Zach Balumbo. Yes. Mayor Corson. Yes. Motion carry with four in favor. And I just do want to state for the record that the Duville establishment is governed by the
planning board resolution of approval. If there is a violation of that, if somebody observes a violation, please reach out to code enforcement and our business administrator and it will be addressed. All right. So that motion did the resolution and
the number 20 public hearing and final adoption of ordinance number two 2025 an ordinance established salary regions for the town of buffer for the calendar year 2025. At this time we will open it up to
public hearing for ordinance number two of 2025. Would anybody like to comment on ordinance number two of 2025? Hearing no public comment on ordinance number two of 2025 will close the public
portion and ask for a motion to introduce. Um we do need to amend this ordinance and reschedule the public hearing and adoption. Okay. So we're going to table it. I guess we will. We're just going to amend it. We need a motion to amend it and
move the public hearing to the July 14th meeting. Okay. I will make that in form of a motion. Would somebody like to second for the first speaker? And we will have another public hearing July 14th. Okay, Mr. Casaceio. Yes, Mr. Nappen. I'm sorry, I got sidetracked.
Can I Can you restate where we're at? We're going to amend the salary ordinance and move the public hearing and final adoption to July 14th. We added uh a assistant claims coordinator position for $1,000 and we increased the beach sweeper payment. are are that one.
I just wanted to make sure it wasn't still adobo. Yes. Mr. Sam Palumbo. Yes. Mr. Zach Palumbo. Yes. Mayor Corson. Yes. Motion carried. Under dub business, we have the Southshore Stitchers request to hold a raffle RA 601 at the Upper Township
Community Center on October 18th, 2026. Motion to approve. Second. Mr. Cassaceio. Yes. Mr. Napen. Yes. Mr. Sam Palumbo. Yes. Mr. Zack Palumbo. Yes. Mayor Corsen. Yes. Motion County
payment of bills for the bills. I hereby move that all claims submitted for payment this meeting be approved and then incorporated in full in the minutes of this meeting. Second. Mr. Casatio, yes. Mr. Natin, yes. Mr. San Palumbo, yes. Mr. Zack Palumbo, yes. Mayor
Corson. Yes. Motion carries. At this time, we're going to open it up to the public. and we're very happy everyone's here. We'd like to hear from the public. Hi, my name is Robert Lynn. I live at
215 King Fisher Court in Osprey Cove. Um, my wife Patty and I moved down here eight years ago and we moved to US recoup because it was
a beautiful community. Um, and since we have lived here, we love Upper Township. The public works guys are great. Everybody
has been really cooperative, even getting a license for the dog, you know, it's just been great. Um, and uh we lived in Clarksburg, New Jersey, and
we did the same thing. It was just beautiful. We just loved our community. We never had issues. Um, that's why we moved down here to retire. This is our retirement home.
And I know that you have to follow the ordinances and the state laws. And I'm not I would never ask you to do anything to get involved in uh uh lease negotiations or things like that. But
the main thing we're concerned about is things that are in what we understand are in the ordinances like trash movement, like uh lawn maintenance. I mean, and your public works guys have
been out looking. So, when they say that the public works guys aren't on the street, they are on the street. It's actually been our code enforcement. Code enforcement. That's what I meant. I claimed your code enforcement and I stand corrected and they're they're
really nice guys. Um, but our atmosphere and and and the everything has changed since last October when Mr. Brandon from Maryland bought Possprey Cove.
And Mr. Brandon doesn't matter his personality, but he never even introduced themselves to us until our residents complained about his 30%
rent increase. Now, you have a business. I understand he has a business and he has to make money, but because they use the old saying and he got suckered into what he paid for for
Aspbury Cove above the um above the assessment. That's on him. He's shouldn't take it out on us. So he
has and he's been playing games like one day we have our trash cans out, next day he takes it. And he made a statement which was and I'll be brief. He made a statement which is
hard to believe but um he made a statement. I said, "We have older ladies and older men that can't put things into the dumpster." He says, "That's why you get insurance." Quote.
And I'm like, that's just not the right thing to do. Maybe that's acceptable in Florida and Maryland where he owns this place, but we go by the law here. Part of his resolution for approval was door-to-door
pickup. That was a condition upon his approval. Right. We didn't even have a sniff. There was not of inappropriate with Harry Vander. There was not um on his site plan. There was no dumpster
facility or any dumpster facility located. That is in violation of his site plan approval. Um, we are actively handling this. Yes. Okay. And that's all we want. We just want attention
for You got our intention. And and that's fantastic. And that's all we want. And we honestly we love love this town. And I'm not saying it to suck up to you guys, but we tell
everybody about this. This is a great township to live. I know your park system. Okay. Sorry. A couple a couple of uh Tyler and I personally and I have personally been handling a lot of phone
calls and I've given my personal number plus my township number and I'll give my personal number if anybody wants it. I feel free to call me. Uh we've handled a lot of complaints. We've talked to a lot of residents and we are actively doing everything we can
to make sure the property owner follows the same resolution that was granted him approvals. As we just discussed with the dough bill, uh they have certain things in the planning resolution that they have to abide by. It's the same thing with Osprey Coup. There are certain things in that planning resolution that
he has to abide by. just like they discussed the curbside trash pickup and uh eventually like you said when there was the grass system grass gets too long that's a zoning violation as well. Um, we understand the uh trials and tribulations you've been there down
there with your landlord tenant disputes and uh like I said, we obviously have no advocacy role in that sense for you. But anyway, he has an agreement with the township. Uh we intend to speak to the fire in that agreement, especially in that planning board resolution for you guys. For sure. I appreciate your time
and thank you very much. Thank you for coming out tonight, Robert. Yes, ma'am. Hi, Moren Stall. I'm from Osprey Kovville. So, I just um everything you said I I'm I'm fully aware of. Uh the thing about the
dumpsters is now there's flies, there's maggots, there's the odor, and he placed them by the pool in the clubhouse. Um, and the other the other thing I was wondering if you guys could address maybe eventually as in the for the with the town he's talking about putting
gates on our entrance and exits and personally I was present for one accident on Route Nine and I there was two on Route 50 that I know of and I'm sure my neighbors have
seen more. Um the one was a drunk driver that veered off the road and went through the fence, but so that doesn't count. As you as you come um south, I guess it is on 50. That's a double yellow line even for us to make a left. So, um I have a law
enforcement family, so it's like, you know, you can make a left legally across the double yellow line. My driveway is protected by a double yellow line. All right. Well, that's good to know. Okay. But the thing is if he puts a gate in there is does he have to come before you
guys? Okay. That would be through it wouldn't be before this body, but he'd have to go back to the planning board for an amended site plan approval because that's not part of his original approvals. And just like we talked about earlier, anytime you seek to amend in a significant way a previously approved site plan, you have to come back because
there's not much of a shoulder there if there's any kind of a backup. And we are kind of like we all need our readers and if we're going to be pushing buttons trying to get into our I believe if you put a gate it would not be at this there would have to be somewhere inside the property so they two or three cars could
wait behind you and take and once these gates open you can drift behind the person ahead of you. I mean because we always have like there's a gazillion Amazon FedEx UPS is always oh it's going to be a nightmare. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Um All right. Well, and the other thing is
the trash cans. They come, they go. I mean, I help take care of an old neighbor. Some of us, you know, help out. There's a lot of people that are ill. They never thought they'd have to move. Their increase is over 30%. And
some of it's like $211 a month, and that's grocery bills for them. So I I just thought that if there's anything the township might eventually look at with helping seniors with maybe a rent cap because we are at 55 plus.
There is some state legislation. I personally am in favor of it and I'd like to see it get the governor get it off his desk. So can the township do anything? I mean I know that's a state. We could have rent control. It's not as easy as it seems.
uh to have a rent control. We'd have to have a board. It's quite expensive as well to run. The board would have to have a solicitor, an auditor, and it would probably cost the township hundred and some thousand dollars a year just to have a rent control board. So, it's something if it could be done at the
state level and controlled by the state level, we certainly don't want to piggy back it. I mean, we have we do have a just a sidebar, we do have a wonderful community. We we do look out for each other. We leave each other alone, but we're always there if somebody needs something. And it's just um it's it's
kind of a shame. The entire community is is kind of a little different. We're all a little off the landscaping. We had a landscaping company. He wants $211 more, but we don't have a landscaping company. We have the Avalon Campground teenagers,
you know, coming at all hours and cutting one one twice and one one not at all. It's just like he's broken all the things that were in any of the good things that were in our lease. Yes. Well, yard maint maintenance is something that
the construction of or code enforcement has looked at down there and it has not been in violation yet. I don't know what the parameters are, but we are doing a lot of research on that. It's just sloppy. It's not as manicured as it was. I get it. It's not up to our knees or
anything. A lot of us, well, the first thing the dumpsters filled up with was um Ryobi and steel and you know, uh and there's no recycling and boxes because people are cutting their own. Yes. But um Okay. Well, thank you very much for
support. It's a pleasure seeing you in person. I believe I talked to Yeah, we did. You were so on it right now. [Laughter] Um, John, do you think you could just quickly explain to people here? Yeah,
they've been in violation of the trash curbside pickup already once. What's the next process? What's the next steps? So, my understanding is we knew they were in violation of their site plan approval. It was made known to the property owner and he then adhered at
least temporarily to the requirements for curbside pickup. Now, I understand that there are issues again where certain trash receptacles haven't been returned and you're unable to have the trash picked up curbside as soon as there tomorrow. Correct. So, if that doesn't occur tomorrow, then
he is immediate. He's in violation of his site plan requirements. The township can then, and we'll talk about this, can issue a citation against him. a citation is issued and it's not remedied to the acceptability of up to the, you know, requirements of the site plan, meaning
you all have it available to you again right away, then he's going to eventually get drugged into municipal court and have to deal with potential fines and violations by the by the John, just for the record, I believe there was a citation issued Tuesday when they were there was one. Okay,
we'd have to Yeah. get Well, we'd have to ask them. I mean, get them involved, but it's possible. Yes. Well, hold on. I The only thing I want to We have to during public comment, it's one person at a time. You have to be at the microphone and on the record. And I'll
note too, I just want to make sure uh this is I'm not picking on either of the two of you who've already started, but we are limited to five minutes a person just so that we can make sure that we get through everything this evening because there are a number of people here. I just want to make sure that's not Well, I'm
just raise your hands. How many are people from Osprey? Everybody here. Obviously. Okay. Thank you. Obviously, we're all here for the same reason. You're all here. I mean, so we understand it. Please, let's we move
forward and try not to be redundant. But we all understand. Said a lot better than me. Said it a lot better than me. If you all could just I'll let you go and then if you're all in agreement, that's a wonderful thing. And we don't have to hear from 30 of
them. We'd love to, but yes, sir. I appreciate your time, sir. My name is Greg Afron and uh I appreciate the comments that have already been made and I'm not going to uh try to I'll try not to be redundant. I I only have u basically one question in dealing with a
site plan. Does uh the owner have the right to come in and change that site plan? Yes, he does. The right to petition for an amendment, but it's ultimately up to the board to decide if they're going to grant an amendment to that. Can't unilaterally do it. He he's
got to come in. There's would be a public forum, public meeting, and I got to believe there's going to be 110 residents at the planning board. And I don't see it changing. Okay. Thank you. And one other thing, uh, concerning the, uh, uh, it's already
been mentioned that it's some it's difficult to open those those dumpsters. We've already had two reports of people injured with the lids coming down on their arms and hands. And um I the dumpsters are in direct violation of the
site plan. They're supposed to be trash pickup at your curb. That's what you signed up for. I would if it was me, I would either put my trash in front of the dumpster and let somebody else put it in there or I would curb my trash tomorrow in a plastic bag and see what happens. Good idea. Thank you very much.
All right. Okay. I just have a couple questions. Just your name. I'm sorry. Betty. Your last name? Riley. Okay. I talked to you today, I think. Yes. How you doing? Uh, first of all, the dumpsters do not
recycle. So, everybody is just throwing everything in there. And we are a recyclable state. So, I don't know if that's in violation. And I hear he can't have the dumpsters are in violation. They're still there. We're going to get our trash cans. He can't do that. We don't have them back. When does all this
settle out? So, here's the only other thing I should note this. We can issue citations, right? And there are time frames that he's going to be provided for compliance, which he's got to be. We're not talking about lengthy time frames, but he's going to have a period for which to comply. Okay? If he doesn't comply, then a court date will be set.
We don't control that, though. That's controlled through the municipal court system. So when things are going to be remedied, we we can't tell you definitively. All we can tell you is we can take corrective action in order to ensure that he is being cited for when he's violating those requirements of the
resolution. And then what happens from there is is really out of our hands in the immediiacy, right? That it's with the municipal court. But how many times is he going to be cited and fined before something's done? As many That's my question. As many as it takes. He'll be cited until he complies with the resolution. So, if we don't get trash
cans back by tomorrow for our trash, right? Yep. Code enforcement, he'll be cited and find code enforcement will be out there. They'll sight him for the dumpsters and they'll sight him for the trash curbside. They already He's He's been cited as of last week when the trash cans were removed. He was cited.
Okay. Yeah, I I have to look at what what the what the get right timeline is when he has to uh to correct his problems. Um 10 days comes to mind, right? And so we might be in that 10day window currently. I don't have the site. Well, if we've
got our trash picked up last Tuesday, he took them back. Then we got that day. Then we got them back. So if he's within that time period, he's still able to comply. If he's within that time period, he's still able to technically comply. And if he complies, then he's complying
again and we're not going to proceed forward. In the event that he doesn't comply, that's when it gets elevated to a potential action in superior court where he's going to have to show up. We have a municipal prosecutor that we will be in touch with to let him know the concerns and they'll handle it through that through that avenue. Okay. And I
understand that the dumpster is supposed to be on a concrete slot, but it's not. Dumpster is not supposed to be there at all at all. Not at all. Right. Okay. And by resolution, he is obligated to pick up your trash curbside. Right. So, tomorrow is trash day.
I would put your tribes at the curb just like that. Yes. Thank you. We'll send Brian down here tomorrow. That's perfect.
We can have a wonderful day. Yes. Please step forward and name correctly. Nancy Mcccluski. Excuse me. Nancy McCcluskey. Good evening, Nancy. I ran into a resident who said that um
her trash was supposed to be picked up, but it wasn't. And I'm wondering if the people who have signed the new lease and have paid the $925 if their trash should be picked up
as opposed to me who's paying the old fee of $713 and my trash isn't picked up because I haven't paid paid the $925
and I haven't signed the lease. That's so it gets confusing to me. Anyway, if I can in the same way that earlier when I was given a report, I had mentioned that we're not getting involved in a private landlord tenant dispute. That goes for
him as much as it goes for for for you, right? So, the site plan resolution didn't didn't contemplate having to be paid whatever rent he said he was entitled to in order to be compliant with it. So, we're not taking it into consideration. If he is, it's going to result in violations. Okay? He is
obligated by his approval to pick up your trash. Okay? Whether you pay your rent or not. Thank you very much. Anyone else? I see you coming. Hi, Susan Stidle. I'm not going to talk about trash. So, can you repeat your name now? I'm sorry. Susan Stidle. No
trash on my agenda, but I do. I'm an Osprey Cove resident. I have a question that you might need to look into. Is part of his approval snow removal and what the extent is because it was
terrible last year. we relied on his people versus a professional to snow and uh so I'm not even sure I certainly when I looked at the when I recently looked at it I wasn't looking for snow removal so I I'm not sure it was not there or
you No I'm I'm not sure if it's looking at trashing brass not it's 90° out think cool and maybe we could look into that because it was horrendous we had slip and falls last year. And what I would
recommend is uh if you don't have a copy of the site plan approval, you can obtain one, okay? Right. Through the office and it's voluminous. There are a number of conditions in there, but you can observe it, see what's there, and if he's in violation of anything beyond those things that we know about. It's been the theme of the night, right,
to to go to code enforcement or go to uh to your zoning office. But that's exactly what to do. Okay. It's not online now. Just I'm going to ask you folks letter of clerk scan it in and we can provide an email copy and you can
circulate it amongst yourself. I would like my I'd recommend somebody submit an open request to the clerk's office open public records act request. Okay. You can specifically request that resolution and then when has it what what you do with it is disseminated amongst yourselves and we'd prefer not to see
110 open requests. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to come? Hearing no more public go Natalie. Yes. Natalie Petersburg. Um
I'd like to say that I'm sad to see um Brian McNeel. Um we are too. Yes, we are too. way are too and um also for the business administrator to come here. He had an in-house um
engineer and um I what what is it now? An 800 number. I mean I know I mean you really didn't say anything but I also um have an issue that I've been working
with Mr. McNeel. Well, your issue is not going away. We're trying to resolve it. We have our legal council is well aware of it. Your res issue will be resolved. Okay? Because that's and I'm just it's not an 800 number. Uh the new engineer
is a Kate May County based engineering firm. So they're not they're not from far away. They're here. They're going to be around. And the engineer does work for the township. If you have an engineer question or request, you put the engineer. I mean, what's happened in
the past should not happen. Residents should not be taking a professional and tying them up. If you have a request or a question, you can turn it over to our administrator and we will get it resolved. Okay? So, just simple. If you have a legal question, you ask our clerk or our
administrator. They find out. You don't call our township solicitor. You don't call our township engineer. You don't call it gets resolved. There's a chain of command, I guess. Well, I'm sure there's other outstanding issues in this
township besides mine. And I believe um when the last business administrator left, you said publicly to contact um Joanne the clerk. So when issues came up, that's what I did. Well,
you can contact Joanne the clerk and she or the township administrator is what you can do. Yes, you can contact either one. Okay. But for my my situation, um what what is the status now that
McNeil's leaving? Well, we we're not going to talk about it in public comment. No. Well, just where where do I go? Who do I talk to? I mean, like Well, I would contact I would contact Township. Natalie, it's because you talked to me that you are as far along as you are. So, you can still come to
me. You can come to Jimmy and we'll give updates on the status. Jame or Joanne would be your point of contact. Jimmy or Joanne? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Is there any more public comment?
Hearing no more public comment, we'll close the public portion. We'll introduce a motion to go into close session. And after that motion is read and finalized, we're going to take a couple minutes. We'd like to come out and read a couple of you folks. So I here I hereby move a resolution be
incorporated in the minutes authorizing the township committee to enter into executive session for the following matters pursuant of open public meetings act. Matters. One, personnel. Two, litigation de Marzo versus Upper Township. Three, contract negotiation
EMS services. Four, contract negotiation, municipal court services. Five, contract negotiation video recording services. I will also include my motion the estimated time and circumstances under which the discussion conducted in close session can be
disclosed to the public as follows. A it is anticipated that the matters discussed in closed session may be disclosed to the public upon determination that the township committee that the public interest will no longer be served by such confidentiality.
With respect to the employment and personnel matters such discussions will be made public if and when formal action is taken or when individuals involved consent uh that it may can be made public. C, with respect to the contract negotiations,
such matters will be made public when negotiations have ceased and there are no longer a reason for confidentiality. And D, with respect to litigation matters, such discussions will be made public when litigation is complete and equitable appeal period has expired.
Second, please call the role. Mr. Cassaceio, Mr. Nappen, yes. Mr. San Palumbo, yes. Mr. Zack Palumbo, yes. Mayor Corson, yes. All right.