compliance with the open public meeting law. I wish to state that on September 19th, 2025 notice to this meeting, the upper township committee was posted on the official township bulletin board, the upper township website, emailed the
Atlantic City Press, the Ocean City Sentinel ledger, the Herald Times, and filed with the township clerk. Tonight's meeting is being video recorded up until the close session portion of this meeting and will be available at the upper township website. I hereby direct this announcement be made part of the
minutes of the meeting. Will you please stand for pledge please of America to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisibley andice for all
you please call the role Mr. Cassaceio here Mr. Nappen here Mr. Sam Palumbo here Mr. Zach Palumbo here. Mayor Corson present. All members are present. Has everyone had an opportunity to review the minutes from September 8th?
Yes. Like to make a motion we approve. Second that. Please call the RO. Mr. Cassaceio. Yes. Mr. Nappen. Yes. Mr. San Palumbo. Yes. Mr. Zack Palumbo. Yes. Mayor Corson. Yes. Motion carried. Okay. Report of governing body members. We're going to start with
Mr. Mayor. Uh good evening everyone. Uh couple weeks ago I attended the 911 ceremony at Osprey Point on September 11th with uh committeeman Sam Palumbo and myself and and Jimmy. Uh it was a
really nice wonderful ceremony honoring everyone that had passed and nice way to honor September 11th. Uh side note for me, my grandfather helps put the event on every year at Osprey Point and uh always a pleasure for me to be able to work with him for a little bit uh in
these types of events. Um, also switching gears here, the Upper Towned Free Rabies Clinic will be Saturday, October 25th from 1 to 3 p.m. Rain or Shine will be held at Shore Veterinary Animal Hospital at 73 Hook course and Road in Seville
and that'll be a last free clinic of the year I believe that the township puts on. And that's all I have tonight. Thank you, Zach. Do you have anything? I have one brief uh short announcement from public works. Uh, you know, I know that it's now fall officially that, you
know, we'll have start having leaves come down and what have you. Uh, just a reminder that brush is going to be collected by public works. If you have leaf piles, please try to keep sticks out of it because it actually jams up our uh, equipments that go through there. Um, they start collecting on the
second week of October. So, please keep in mind of that. And that's all I have at this time. Thank you, Sam. Do you have anything? Yes, Mayor. I got a few things. Um, on Saturday,
September 27th at 10 a.m. at the William G. Pomeroy Foundation historic marker dedication ceremony will be happening at Henry Young Family Bearing Ground and that is sponsored by American Legion Post 239
and that will be at 144 Tyler Road. just so you guys have the address. And the reception is immediately following the ceremony at 26 Tyler Road. The rain date is Saturday, October 18th.
And just so everybody knows, I was there when they actually dedicated this veterans walker there. Um he was a seventh or maybe eighth great grandfather of mine. So he said, "I'm at this Mr. Young." Of course you are. Naturally. Of course.
Of course. Small world. On October 4th, uh we will be having our Apple Fest and that is at 26 Tyler Road. So come out and support that event as well. October 5th, we will be having
Fall Fest. So come support that event at Amanda's Field. And then finally, uh on Thursday, October 23rd at 3 p.m. at the Upper Township Community Center, we will have the Upper Township Health and Wellness Fair. Events, events, events. Mayor, that's
all I got for you. All right. Thank you. Victor, do you have anything for us tonight? I have a few things. Good evening, everybody. Thanks for joining us as always. This past week, uh, EMS took part in many standby events on top of their normal 911 calls, football games at Cball Park, there was a prayer vigil
at Amanda's Field and a live burn at the fire academy at Seed Rescue. So, thank you so much for them being out there. They're having a pre fire prevention night on October 8th. Trunk or treat is also coming up. uh visit Upper EMS's website on that. Um I I do want to take
one quick moment. It is it was a tough week for me as a as a political figure uh when I was horrified by what I saw happen in front of our eyes on TV as a person exercising the right of free speech was assassinated. As somebody who
has a family of my own is up here every week, um there's always there's a lot been a lot of disagreement in this room, but it's always been done the right way. We invite people to come in and um come up to the microphone and speak their minds to us. And I'm very happy to live
in a town where I feel safe, but it's a scary thing to think that that could happen anywhere. So, I want to thank everybody in this room for coming, whether you're here tonight to agree or disagree with us. and we hope we can make up our township better. And that's all I have. Thank you, Vic. Um,
I only have a couple things. Jim and I had met with uh a gentleman by the name of Jojo. He was from Yo Doc Simmons and they have a Yod Doc Simmons website if you're
interested. They have uh innovative water technology to barricades basically to help control uh beach erosion. We've looked at the system. We met him in Strathmir. He looked at our system.
Obviously D needs to be involved. There's a stringent approval process but the gentleman is very interested in trying this alternative solution in our waterway. Is it a barrier? Is it pumping? What
what is the system? It's basically, if you go to their website, there's a p couple pictures. It's uh basically a jersey back, but with shaped like a W with cabinets and it's designed for the
wave to hit and knock down the sand. And they actually it's in some environments, controlled environments such as pools. It's worked in built sand. It's been
tried in the Gulf of Mexico or guess Gulf of America now. Uh for uh on the Florida coast, I guess would be the west side of Florida. Nobody's tried the
Atlantic Ocean. He's out of Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania. The golf is obviously very calm. Yeah. Compared compared to Northern Yeah. He's got anchor systems. He's got the whole nine yards and it's it was good technology. It was very interesting to
see. Um, they're a plastic piece and there's either either filled with a sand slurry and then I think they weigh 5,000 pounds a piece or they filled with water and I think it was weighed 4,000
lbs a piece. I'm not 100% certain of the numbers, but it was very interesting technology. We might be able to try it if we can get approval. So, we're working with our engineer. Our engineer was over there. Obviously, it's going to be
the D2. Obviously, we keep pumping sand. It's not working. This is considered a temporary structure because it's movable. It's plastic. It's fillable. It's So, it's not permanent structure, which
the D doesn't want permanent structures. So, it's kind of fits the glove. Fits the glove. Yes. And it's be interesting to try it and if we can be a sample spot and try it for minimal cost, it would be worth a shot. For sure. It's definitely worth a shot. So, the
other thing uh I'd like to talk to everyone about is our lifeguard headquarters on it. The first day it was built was inadequate. Um, it's not big enough. I have a list of
There's no adequate storage. Obviously, there's no restrooms. We use portaotties. There's no lockers for personnel to store stuff. There's no uh break area. There's no secure office. And our observation deck obviously doesn't even
face the ocean. So, there are just a few things that I can find wrong with it without going down a whole laundry list, but we do need restroom facilities. Our female lifeguards, as you know, is
we're all fathers here, so we all know. Yeah. Um, we do portaotties every year. We just need an adequate facility. So, I would like to ask the engineer if he can investigate
for us where and when if it's possible for us to put some sort of facility in with some kind of public bathroom because that's another thing we don't have in the strath mirror is any public bathrooms except for board of bodies.
So, I guess I'm looking for authorization to allow our engineer to investigate and see if there's an adequate space somewhere where we can build I'm okay with that. I'd like to make that in the form of a motion and then we can call the roll.
I'll second. Mr. Cassaceio, yes. Mr. Nappen, yes. Mr. Sam Palumbo, yes. Mr. Zach Palumbo, yes. Mayor Corson, yes. Motion carried. And Sam should know firsthand because he was actually a lifeguard and worked out of that building. That's I do recall that, Mayor. Yes.
That's all I have at this time. So, we'll turn it over to Mr. VR's light chair. Jim, do you have anything for us? Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor. Committee. Um, yeah. So, uh, last couple weeks, um, I got information. So, I guess a little background, we attended the Strat
Improvement Association, um, July meeting, and there was a lot of, uh, residents that had a concern over speed on Commonwealth. So, we reached out to the county. We got the county to, uh, to do a speed study, and we finally got the results. Um
unfortunately the results concluded that 85th uh the 85th percentile of traveling speed was about 2 miles an hour over the posted speed. As such a reduction speed is not warranted in accordance with um
the the New Jersey DOP traffic uh department standards. It appears that the county posted speed is appropriate based on this data. Um again it's a county road, not a road. Um um so you know just put a button up on that that that that was the result of that
venture. Uh next thing is uh I've successfully negotiated with the union to uh allow our public works to wear a uniform. Um I say uniform but what it is is just a uh upper township public works t-shirt.
uh very modest design, but as they uh populate and circulate through the township, um it is is useful if the the residents understand that these are workers. If they're picking up trash, maybe walking in someone's yard, it's helpful that they are identified um on the outset and they have a professional
appearance. So, that was the thinking. Um no cost to the township outside of what we normally do with the clothing allowsment permit. we just directing them to wear this as opposed to, you know, whatever carart t-shirt, whatever they wear. So, some uniformity is a good
thing. Um, and then the last thing, um, yeah, just working with, uh, Zach and the public works team to find a solution for sound dampening. Um, I'm sorry, not Zach, um, but Sam. um and getting sound absorbing panels back up to the
community center because of uh the echoing that's occurring there similar to here carries and so uh working to get that fixed. That's all I got here. Thank Joanne. Do you have anything for us tonight? I have nothing. Thank you. Thank you. John, do you have anything for us?
Nothing right now. Thank you. Barbara, I have nothing this evening. Thank you. Wow. We're moving right along. Okay. At this time, we're going to open the public comments limited to agenda items only. Is there
anybody that would like to comment on an agenda item? Please state your name for record. My name is Katie Smenta. Um, good evening, Mayor Corsen, members of the council, and members of our community. I'm here tonight to humbly
thank you for honoring the life of a very special boy, Eastston Bistler. Sorry, practiced like four times that crying. Um, Eastston was just 9 years old when his life was tragically cut short in a car accident last year. His passing shook our entire community to its core. The loss was not just felt by
his family, but by his friends, his classmates, teachers, neighbors, and so many others whose lives he lives he touched with his bright spirit and kind heart. What stands out most about East is how much happiness and love he brought in
such a short time. He lived with love, laughter, and a whole lot of passion for sports. While his time here was far too brief, the impact he left on this community is everlasting. In the wake of tragedy, it has been our community's love, prayers,
and support that have helped the Bicler family carry on. We often talk about how strong our community is in difficult times and the way we came together for Eastston and his family is a perfect example of that. Many people approach me and ask how the Bicer family is doing
and they often say I don't know how they're getting through this. I can tell you how they're getting through it. The constant outpouring of love and support from our township has been so comforting to them that we have become their family. They realize they are not the only ones who are suffering from this
tragedy. Our whole township is still rebuilding after this insufferable loss. I'm thanking the council and recognizing September 23rd is East and Bicler Day. This is a day dedicated to him, a
9-year-old that loved the number 23. This is a This day will not only honor East's memory, but also remind us each year of the importance of family, kindness, and the power of community support. It will be a day to celebrate his life,
reflect on the love he gave, and encourage all of us to live with the same joy and compassion that Eastston showed in his nine years with us. By establishing this day, we ensure that Eastston's legacy will live on, and that future generations will know about the
young boy who inspired a whole community to come together when the world around us was slowly drifting apart. Thank you for your time and helping us in keeping Ethan's memory alive. Thank you. Thank you. Real quick, I was asked by Upper
Township Baseball Association and some of the uh sports programs to let you guys all know. There's a Facebook page. We shared it. Um I want to read to you really quickly what it says. Just says over one year ago, the community lost an athlete named East to a car accident. He
was incredibly talented. in his memory, Eastn Alley and Amanda's Field will be created. Um, this page is going to show the progress of the unbelievable area that they're going to be putting there to dedicate to East. So, please follow
that page, share that page. Very soon they're going to be doing a program where you can purchase a brick and they're going to be doing a whole number 23 um paver kind of walkway thing um with the proceeds going to scholarship and charitable type things that the the
family is all having full control over and the township has put a resolution together. I'm not going to read the whole thing. Um or would you guys look at that on their resolutions? Okay, it's in the consent agenda. We're going to pull from the consent. Okay. And so that's all I had on that
one. So, thanks for coming, Katie. Is there anyone else you would like to address the public? Hello, my name is Dodie Regan Corini and I live in Strathmare and I'm um speaking tonight on the item agenda about the noise ordinance. I wanted to proide pro
provide some context regarding noise and land use in our neighborhood in Strathner. The Dobel Inn has a long history in our community. It was originally built in 1881 as the Wheelan Hotel. It was a small property that accommodated a 100 guests and later expanded physically in its role over the
decades. Historically, it has hosted charitable suppers, dances, small private gatherings, but large-scale weddings and multi-day receptions were not part of its regular business operations. That all changed in October of 2019 under new ownership when they purchased
the property and rebranded it. The focus has shifted to an upscale dining and full-ervice event planning that includes weddings and large corporate events. Since 2020, hosting these large events has become a central part of their business operation. Many of these events
are held outdoors on the septic drain field in the expanded sa sandbar area and on the beach under tents. These events can last several hours into the evening. They often feature amplified music such as DJs or live bands. They
also include PA announcements and crowd activity that carry well beyond the property. This occurs most often in the months of May, June, September, and October on the shoulder seasons outside the normal summer seasons when it is feasible to host these large outdoor
gatherings. I've previously submitted videos to the township administrator illustrating the impact this these events had, at least in my own private residence. Inside my home, videos were taken. While the township ordinance does provide guidance on construction, landscaping, and commercial equipment
noise, it is less clear regarding amplified music and public gatherings. It creates enforcement challenges for our zoning officer, the police department. And even though the ordinance's intent when established in 20 2010 was to protect residents health,
peace, and quality of life, amplified music can be very disruptive. It can become disruptive well before it reaches the state decibel limit levels which are generally designated for industrial settings. A local reasonleness standard is valuable and
that's the language in the existing ordinance but a clear definition and criteria would aid both enforcement and compliance measures. From a zoning perspective, Strathner is divided into resort residential and resort commercial zones. The Doval sits in the resort
commercial zone and is intend which is intended for modest smallcale commercial use like restaurants and shops with accessory use such as patios and decks. Banquet halls or large-scale outdoor events are not listed as a permanent use
and activities beyond normal restaurant operations would typically require a formal review such as a site plan amendment or variance. Strathmir is a quiet, primarily residential coastal community with both full-time and seasonal residents that value its
natural setting and tranquility. The introduction of frequent large-scale events and amplified music has changed that environment. These concerns are consistent with issues raised in other parts of the township such as Gley's Point where residents successfully
advocated for protections against noise and commercial intensity. and that resulted in a 900 PM cuto off time for amplified music in that part of our township. To support consistent enforcement, I respectfully suggest that the township
consider incorporating a clear objective criteria for determining when noise becomes a nuisance. Many municipalities in Cape May County and throughout the US use plainly audible as a standard where sound is considered a nuisance if it
could be clearly heard beyond a specific distance from the source or the property line. It could be 50 feet, it could be 100 feet, but if you could clearly hear the words or the phrases that would be defined under the plainly audible as a nuisance. I'm also encouraging the
committee to consider establishing a consistent townshipwide cutoff for amplified music at 9 pm that these updates would help protect residential areas while still allowing reasonable use of outdoor space for businesses within the township. I would like to thank the committee for considering this
input and for your efforts to balance business operations with preserving the quality of life and stra near Beasley's Point and throughout Upper Township. Thank you. Thank you, Doug. And just so everybody knows, this is a discussion item which
we will be uh it's item number 22. We will be discussing it tonight with the real possibility we're going to make some ordinance changes. Our solicitor has been working on it and
if and when we do make ordinance changes, we are going to have public hearing and public input on that too. So that is the game plan. Tonight is going to be a discussion only and our next meeting we probably will introduce ordinance.
Is there anyone else? Hi, my name is Sophiaca. I want to thank you for the opportunity to speak. Um noise is a huge problem with in Strathmir with everything from um large crowds to um loud music, non-stop
deliveries, serious traffic congestion. It's simply overwhelming a little community and I would really appreciate you're placing some restrictions on noise restrictions that is on social gatherings and on live
music. Many thanks for your consideration. Thank you, sir. Is there anyone else who would like to speak about any items on our agenda? Hi, my name is Chris Kiki. I also live in Strathmir and I wanted to bring up a
couple issues too about the noise. Um there was a period of time where when the Doville and this isn't just about the Doville and it's I you know I know over the years there's been some issues with that and people you know the neighbors against them and it's not like that. We go there we enjoy it. It's it's
a nice place. Um but there had there was a time when the noise was tied to their there was they had some rules that they had to follow. Um, and it was tied to, I believe, their liquor license or their permit or
something like that. And there were a couple years where they did a phenomenal job and it was better. It certainly was. And they were um self-regulating. They had a um a governor, I guess it's called, on the on the sound system and it was pretty solid. This summer that
kind of has fell to the wayside. And and the biggest frustration is there's nothing we can really do about it because up to that point it was contact the the county and they'll come out and they'll do a noise
test and you know that wasn't it's cumbersome at best. Um, so I know that it's possible to have a a system that the Doville can operate under, other
businesses can operate under as well as the community, you know, can can live with. Um, and that is our goal. That's why we opened up a discussion around our noise ordinance. We're going to do a noise ordinance that's going to work township wide, not just Sure.
one village. We have 13 villages in Alberti. Yeah. Point, Taco, it's a problem everywhere. And so one other issue that's tied to that is also like a timing thing and that's something that can be controlled. Like there's certain things you control
and things you can't control. Like we live across the street from a restaurant and we know we're going to get deliveries, but the timing of those deliveries can be a bit ridiculous. like um there are deliveries not at the Doville at um Laafantana at 5:00 am, you
know, trash pickup at 6:30 in the morning and things like that. I don't know if there's other ordinances that that don't allow that and they just do it and no one complains and so it gets by. But I that would also be something I think that would be great to have
included would be timing for those things to occur. Yes. Can I comment on your um your uh the idea of the um lifeguard thing? Can I make a comment on that or is that not That's actually not an agenda item. So you can later on in the meeting and when
we open it up to the public, you can. Oh, okay. Cool. It's not an agenda item. All right. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Hello. My name is Amy Lombardo. I live on Willard. Um I've owned my property since the 90s. So, I've been sandwiched
between La Fontana and the Doville. And my background is actually restaurants. I used to manage restaurants, worked at the Hotel Del Coronado. I know what it takes to run a business in a residential area because believe it or not, the Hotel Del Coronado in California is
surrounded by residential. Um, I know when I bought my property, being near a business comes with a price tag. I get the delivery trucks. I get the drunken conversations. I get the
jity idling out front. Um, septic pumping noises. I get all that and I accept that because I live near commercial businesses. But the one thing that can be controlled is the volume of the music. I get all
the other stuff. You can control the volume of the music. If I was to stand here for four hours and and make the sound of a bass and make you all sit through it and you couldn't leave this room or you couldn't
go outside without hearing me go, you you probably get a little nuts. Yes. It got to the point that we start leaving our houses on Saturdays and Sundays between 4:00 a.m. 400 pm and 8:00 p.m. It got to the point that I
don't invite my family over for dinner. because we sit inside and we can hear the bees. So all I ask if it's the one thing they can control to make everybody else's life that lives around it
more enjoyable, it's it's a simple fix. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to comment on an agenda item? Hearing no more public comment. At this point,
we're going to close the public portion and we're going to go to our consent agenda. And I'm going to ask that number five be pulled off our consent agenda and we'll do that separately. Okay. All consent agenda items listed below are routine in nature and will be enacted by one motion. If the mayor or
any committee member wishes a particular agenda item to be considered separately, it will be removed from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Do you need a motion? Yes. I'll uh move number five out, please. And you're approving the consent agenda. Second,
Mr. Cassaceio. Yes. Mr. Nappen. Yes. Mr. San Palumbo. Yes. Mr. Zach Palumbo? Yes. May Corso? Yes. This time we'll do number five. Okay. Designating September 23rd as East Advisor Day in the Township of Upper.
And I am going to ask Mr. Victor Nappen whose son played football with Mr. East and if they could please read that you can get a record. Resolution 2862025 designating September 23rd as Eastn
Bicler Day in the township of upper. Whereas Easton Bicer was a beloved member of the upper township community whose life character and love for family, friends, and athletics left a lasting impact on all who knew him. And whereas Easton was known for his dedication on and off the football field, proudly wearing the number 23
jersey as a member of the Upper Township Indians, which came to symbolize his spirit, teamwork, and determination. And whereas his passing in September 2024 has deeply touched his family, friends, teammates, and the greater community who continue to honor his memory and the values he represented. And whereas it is
fitting and proper we set aside a day of remembrance to celebrate Eastston's life, his love of the game, and positive influence he had on those around him. And now therefore it be resolved by the township committee of upper of the township of upper in the county of Kate May in the state of New Jersey that the 23rd of September is hereby designated
as Eastston Bicler Day in honor and memory of Eastston with 23 signifying his jersey number and September signifying the month of his passing and be further resolved and on this day the community is encouraged to remember Eastston, reflect on his contributions and celebrate his life and legacy given
under our hands and the seal of Upper Township. this day, the 22nd of September, 2025. Make that in the form of a motion. And I'd like to make that in the form of a motion. Second. Mr. Cassaceio, yes. Mr. Den, yes. Mr. Sam Palumbo, yes. Mr. Zach Palumbo, yes. Mayor Corson,
yes. Motion carried. And I'm asking Katie, can you make sure this gets delivered to the Bicer family and um Sam and myself, we'll deliver these to the athletic associations as well. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [Applause]
Okay, moving on to ordinances. Number 21, we have the public hearing and final adoption of ordinance number 5, 2022, an ordinance vacating a portion of Filmore Avenue within the township of upper county of Kate May and state of New Jersey. Is there any discussion at this level?
An ongoing thing. I have comments in the senior center. This is in this is in Strathner. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Mr. Schroers. Yep. Okay. At this time, we're going to open it up to the public if there's anybody
that would like to comment on ordinance number five of 2025. Seeing no comments for ordinance number 20 or number five of 2025, we'll close the public portion and move for adoption.
Move to adopt. Second, please call the RO. Mr. Caceio, yes. Mr. Nappen, yes. Mr. Sam Palumbo, yes. Mr. Zach Palumbo, yes. Mayor Corson, yes. Motion carries. New business, we have 22. for the noise
ordinance discussion. Okay, at this time we're going to have some discussion on our noise ordinance as promised and we're going to look to John and Jim for some guidance here and what we have uh created so far.
I'm going to set the stage to just sort of how we got here. Yeah, set the stage. um come in, you know, you do an analysis, try to find things, they generate small winds or things that are just generally a a thorn in in the resident side. And this has
kind of reared his head multiple times uh as you kind of heard um you know, there's a valid concern as to, you know, what is considered a noise um violation versus not. And so the first step was being analyzed our own ordinance and our
own ordinance was unwillfully um uh you know it was just extremely lacking. There's no measurable um it was inadequate metrics. It was inadequate. Um spoke with the prosecutor and generally there's no way to issue a citation for noise ordinance because it's not
prosecutable. So that alone is an issue. If you have an ordinance um that is not prosecutable, why do you have that ordinance? Right? And so uh with the help of uh Dodians and community members and Mr. Amanhauser you know we are able to kind of generate a internal
discussion as to where we're lacking and what are other municipalities in the county or state doing. Um and additionally we had discussions with state police based on uh you know what are they able to enforce right because they are they enforce ordinances generally because when noise complaints
happen is often after hours and our one zone or code enforcement guy um stops work at 3 p.m. Right. So, it's hard to enforce a code violation um you know at 9:00 at night when the guy's off at 3 p.m., right? And so, we rely on the county and the state police to enforce
uh you know that ordinance. And so, in discussion with them, um understanding some of their limitations, um for instance, they do not have the ability to measure decibb. So if we decided to adopt an ordinance, in which case there's a decibel violation at a certain
distance, the state police would be unable to enforce it because they don't have the equipment or training to enforce a decel violation, right? And so I think that kind of supports uh what you're hearing from the Strath community um in introducing a plainly audible standard, which is different than a
decibel measurement. And then uh you know, I discussed that length with Mr. Ammonhauser and between him and Rich, the code enforcement officer, they kind of took it from there. So, so with that, Mr. Mayor, we did look at noise ordinances that exist to in our neighboring communities both to the
north in terms of Summers Point in the south and Seattle City. We also looked at Margate um as as another example of a town somewhat local that has noise ordinances in place. And you can see a difference between all three of those towns in terms of what they've adopted as to what's allowable and then what's
not allowable and then how it is that they're enforcing it. Whether they have a decel reading that's involved, right? If they have somebody that is uh authorized to do that, right, and is certified to to do decibel readings or they have a more generalized objective
standard like what you heard earlier, the the plainly audible standard. To me, the plainly audible standard in my mind makes the most sense, right? It's a uh and it was discussed earlier, you can put a distance in place as to where plainly audible comes into play, right?
Whether it's 50 feet, 100 feet, 200 feet, that's completely discretionary with with the body, but it becomes pretty easy or much easier, I should say, to prosecute noise ordinance complaints when you're using a standard like that because it's it it's fairly generalized. But if you're somebody
that's called to the stand to talk about whether or not something was plainly audible, it it's it's it's hard to argue with you, right? But as of right now, when you look at what we've got in our ordinance, it is, and I agree with with our prosecutor, Pat Martin, unreasonable or unnecessary noise is a little bit
different, right? What's unreasonable or unnecessary to someone might not be to somebody else. And that creates an issue from a prosecutorial standpoint when you're municipal court and a judge has to weigh this one way or another. Plainly Audible is much different, much easier to flesh out, much easier to
prosecute, and it it does what you're looking to get done by having this type of an ordinance in place, right? It it prohibits violations from occurring or should at least deter violations from occurring if they occur once, from occurring multiple different times. So,
Jimmy and myself, Rich Kasmar, we went over some potential revisions to our existing ordinance in order to be able to incorporate that type of language. we just circulate that amongst ourselves right now. But it's it's certainly something that's possible for us to do in a fairly expedited fashion should the
body want to do that. Um and and in my personal and professional opinion, I do think it makes sense in order to strengthen the existing argument or ordinance that we have without being too overburdensome as well, right? Because you got to balance those two things. And I think if you put that standard in
place in the ordinance as well as putting some restrictions in terms of timing in place for certain types of activities, you got a much stronger ordinance that's more easily uh enforceable. And one thing I'll also add, you know, we the Doville gets picked on quite a
bit, right? But it's impossible to police your own noise if there's not an objective standard you're policing it to, right? So there, you know, they have to be conscious of noise, but there's not a metric or measurement to which they know whether they're being in violation. Yes. Right. So I think, you know,
deciding on a proper standard gives them the ability to then police yourself to our standard as opposed to just keeping it extremely ambiguous. And one other thing Ty too, so because I didn't get to this, when it comes to whether or not you want to put a decibel type of um structure, decel reading structure in
the ordinance or go with standard like plainly audible, as Jimmy mentioned, the state police are are the the the force that's out there really enforcing this type of violation for the most part based on when most of these violations occur. They don't do decibel ratings. So putting that in there for them to come
out and then not be able to do it doesn't make much sense to me. Having that objective standard is probably a much more Object. Object. Exactly. It's a better alternative without without doubt. Is there anything we can do? Obviously, like the Duville, I'm just going to use
it. Yeah. They can't they can't pump their septic until 8:00, but the restaurant across the street can pump theirs at 7. Um, septic pumping, yeah, is an ongoing issue. Can we go let's say
the resort community to Strathner no pumping septics anywhere before 8 you can put that in place now if there's a more restrictive standard that exists in any land use approvals they got they're still going to be forced to abide by that but you can put a
the frustration from somebody like the Duvo owner the neighbor of the Duvo can pump at 7:30 in the morning 7 in the morning yep if there's just no or anybody's neighbor pump at 7 in the morning.
You You can put a time frame in place for an allowable time frame to do that. And I'll I'll go a step further. We had Star Septic pumping our portaotties at 2:30 in the morning. Could you imagine a blue collar guy coming down and renting a
property for 1012,000 for the week and you get woke up at 2:30 in the morning with a septic truck, right? So, if we're going to do something, limit one person, why wouldn't we limit everybody in the resort community to 8:00, including
ourselves? And I do think if we're going to be working on this for a particular purpose, we should consider it all. Right. And and really, if you're going to overhaul the ordinance, let's do it right and and make it all encompassing. And the and here's another situation. We
as a municipality are in the summertime, our crew is on the island probably by seven. I mean that's a and that's I don't know what the answer is there. I mean we have to pick up trash and I I think a trash truck is a temporary thing. It's not like a septic truck
sitting out there for 45 minutes or a half hour. So that's kind of where I was at, too. It's like during the summer, we had a bulldozer that was parked on the beach to do, you know, the sculpting. And we we started at 5 in the morning. There was people that were upset about that, right? But in order for us to get the
job done before the tide shifted, it had to be done at at that time. It's not it's a one of those necessary things. I think the municipality would be exempt on beach replenishment work and and trash. Maybe there are and you see this almost uniformly in every town that even has
you know if you have a noise ordinance most of them have exceptions to the require the strict requirements or the um and that is in every one of them an exception typically it's an activity permitted or authorized by the governing body or that's regulated we have a a beach replenishment for
example we can't limit them to eight hours a day I mean nobody's going to bid on the job I mean the backup alarms go all night It's it's very invasive the rumble on the bulldozers, but if you
it's a necessary evil. So as long as we are cautious and we don't Right. So you definitely you put those types of exceptions to carve them out. There's other carveouts for things like church bells, right? Ambulance or EMS sirens, fire trucks, like like those general things that those noises are going to occur, right? There's a there's
a reason for them being in place. Those are exceptions that you'll find in these types of boards. Uh see how they have quiet zones. Correct. I didn't see that in the noise ordinance. They do have that was from um years ago.
Let's say the north end of seal might have been known as party zone. So they created quiet zones so it wouldn't be like a group party house. And I don't know exactly. I I'm just because North Wildwood also had similar things put in
place. That's why I only ask if there was Well, that was probably because a bunch of lifeguards run their house. Too much fun. Um, that's a possibility. Um but again it's also they were trying to keep the bar b bar b bar b bar b bar b bar b bar b bar b bar b bar b bar bark group down by the north end of the angle sea as opposed to
like coming back down to well I don't think we have a huge problem like where we would that would with with like we quiet zones like we need to I don't think we have people wandering all through towns I'm just saying in the future like we
have the tavern that's got new owners maybe they start bringing live music you know we have we have uh the taco. Yeah, we have the the Lavaris has outside music. I mean, it's and we have our own Amanda's Field
that we have outside music. I have two questions. Um, the first one is Jimmy, you raised the point of a business sort of knowing what they can do based or they don't know what they can or can't do. Are we able to involve the Doville in any way in any of these
talks and how we're going to do things and and have them have a voice here? Because I feel like it's coming from one side. Everyone's going to this is going to be introduced as an ordinance. So, it's going to be public noticed and everything that goes along with it. So, they're going to have the same opportunity everyone else does. in the
do actually they are governed by the site plan and we just need to well if we follow that standard and you can make a more stringent standard if you choose to and but the problem is we don't have an audible way to and that's what we're
trying to do right and this also works in the residential neighborhood we've all been in residential neighborhoods some Airbnbs and all that where maybe the noise got out of hand so this would get the police enforcement for that too not targeting Airbnbs, but
I I can I know of one backyard situation where there was a wedding in someone's backyard and the state police couldn't find it because they had a complete ban set up and it was your current short-term rental ordinance does have a noise time frame associated
with restrictions on noise. So, you have it there, but you don't have it in the actual noise ordinance. So, there's a bit of a disconnect. Yes. And then my second question is about the plainly audible standard. Is that like lyrics or like um Miss was saying she could feel the bass?
Well, that's plainly audible. If you can hear the music in the background and a song that everybody knows like Sweet Caroline or something, we're going to know as well. I know. Right. Audible just to the ear, right? to to hear it. Not necessarily feel it, but if you can hear it, I mean feeling
it's just making it exacerbating it more in my opinion, but audible would mean if you can hear it from that distance. Yeah. Okay. Because you know you can hear you can hear the announcements you know football game at Caldwell from where I live way out in Mara. So you can hear from so we want to you know make sure that
it's not too restrictive on the business because we are pro business as well as we want to advocate for our residents as well. So, I want to make sure that the businesses can host and have their their events as well. And the problem is you get another
problem. You get in a barrier island situation. If the wind's blowing east one day, right, you might hear it better. If it's blowing northeast, you might not hear it because it's going out to the bank. Yeah. But if it's blowing from the west, it could be sound like it's in your living
room. So, that's what I'm saying. The plainly audible standard is not perfect in my view. Well, it's not going to be perfect because it's we don't have a perfect situation because we don't have the ability to
measure decimals. So, I guess part of the ordinance is fines and penalties or correct. Um, enforceable. Yeah. Did we have a draft yet or some sort of
We've been working on something. I wouldn't call it a finalized draft at this point. Um, we wanted to have this discussion before we really sort of kicked that further. So, I guess can we have a draft for our next meeting and we can continue this discussion instead of introducing something. Let's have a draft at our
next meeting and then we can introduce it at the following meeting. But a working draft that we can all digest and take apart and pick apart. Yeah, let's leave this on the discussion item under unfinished business, we can move it,
but if we have a working draft and we can get headed down the right path here. Yes. So, is there anything else on this or any other comments that that you guys have or concerns just for us to take
into account when we're when we're working on this? Yeah, I and I think we need to if we can target the septic pumping in the resort community. So what time frame? 8:00 would be appropriate because I mean we already listed in one business to
8:00 and but his neighbors can pump and any resident can pump at seven, right? Or whatever the septic truck gets here if what's good for one is good for the other. So okay. Um, the other thing we should probably look at is delivery trucks and where and know there was about the
dumpster truck. I don't know what the answer is with it. I guess it's I think that's a blind man's dumpster there. Um I don't know what the again it's within your purps in there too because
there is a landscaping there is there is we have a landscaping there's times for that which we did get an email the other day about somebody wants to to eliminate all the gas motors from landscaping. Uh, it's not practical either because you can't carry enough
batteries to have battery mowers and battery blowers and battery I mean I'm an advocate of battery tools, but you also have to have the ability to charge them. So, if they're going to have a landscaping vehicle loaded with battery tools, you're going to hear the generator running charging. So, I mean,
at what point it just becomes silly. Well, we we'll we'll get a draft together, at least initially, get a working draft for you guys to further consider. Got to start moving forward, that's for sure. Yes. Okay. Um,
next we have the Kate May County open space projects. Well, we talked about this in our work session. Obviously, we didn't have any votes. the county open space money. We are uh have one project ready
that is to be set out to bid. So at this time I'd like to entertain a motion to send the skate park out to uh county open space grant application. I'll make a motion. I'll second. Please call a roll.
Mr. Casachio. Yes. Mr. Nappen. I'm a no. Uh I just want to say a few words though on my no. Uh, I grew up skateboarding. I grew up surfing. I love skateboarding. I love surfing. I think there's a few needs in the township that are higher that we could explore before
we go forward with that project. Mr. Sam Palumbo. Yes. Mr. Zack Palumbo. Yes. Mayor Corson. Yes. But I will agree with Vic. There is other projects in the township and there's going to be plenty of opportunities but this is the only
project we have at this point that's shovel red. So I'm a yes. Motion carried. Number 24 we have KFC number 9113 manscior James J. Zerger's resurrection council request to hold raffle RA 606 at Immaculata Hall on
March 17, 2026. I'd like to make that motion. Second. Are you a member? Yeah, I would not. No. So, Zach would like to withdraw his I'll make the motion. I'll second.
Mr. Cassaceio, yes. Mr. Nappen, yes. Mr. Sam Palumbo, yes. Mr. Zack Palumbo, I see. Mayor Corson, yes. Motion carries. I got you, man. Thanks. Okay. What's pleasure on the bills, sir?
Hereby. I move all claims submitted for payment at the this meeting be approved and then incorporated in the full in the minutes of this meeting. Second. Please call the role. Mr. Casachio to abstain on two bills tonight, gentlemen. 25-00173 and 25-0022.
Other than that, I yes, Mr. Nappen. Yes. Mr. San Palumbo. Yes. Mr. Zach Palumbo. Yes. Mayor Corson. Yes. Kennedy. At this time, we'll open it up to the public. And I believe we have somebody
who wants to talk about lifeguard. So, again, my name is Chris Kiki. I'm a Strathia resident. Um, so I don't know what your scope is, what your vision is for that lifeguard, you know, facility that's a little more maybe perhaps larger and that sort of thing.
It'd be a little larger, a little user friendly, a little more storage like when we had the tropical storm or hurricane brought out the sea. We moved all our equipment off the beach. Yeah. We actually worked with one homeowner that was very congenial and we
actually instead of bringing all everything offshore, we stowed a ton of equipment under their pocket. Right. Um we have no adequate storage, no adequate restroom facility for our women, no adequate
break area, no adequate locker facility. People come to work, they bring their book bags, they secure their keys and their wallets and all that in a pile in the corner. Yeah. We have no no office. If you're doing
something in the office up there and let's say you have a personnel file open or something like that, step out of the room, it's public. There's no Sure. There's no privacy. Yeah. There's just Right. to do to conduct business. I listen, I think it's awesome. I think it
would be a great idea. One thing I would love to offer as a possibility um would be storage for the four-wheeler there instead of those um the trailers
that are on the lot. Yeah. Like that kind of thing. And only because like we have a lifeguards trailer or a RTV store there. We have the beach medic has one store there. We have a conic spot or a Chad on the
beach. It went underwater. Yeah. I mean, uh, we and thank God our guards were working the large shift and that tide, if you ever firsthand seen a tile surge, it was tremendous. I was actually over there and photographed it. It came up in six minutes 18 inches. Oh, I know.
It was great. Uh, we destroyed my truck. But so, yeah, but we don't have an adequate facility. They moved all kinds of stuff in preparation and still got caught with Yeah. No, I think it's a great idea. I
totally support it and I think it would be a wonderful thing for them and they work hard and they're they're wonderful. They're a wonderful beach patrol um the the and there's a lot of emphasis put on recreation, but I'll tell you the beach patrol that takes a segment of society that might not be athletes or anything
else and picks up a group of people that may be lost without something like that. So it gives guidance and structure to a lot of people. Yeah, I think it's a wonderful thing. So you would have our support for sure. So thank you. Hello. I just wanted to share that the
Strathmir Fishing and Environmental Club is hosting a beach cleanup on Saturday morning, October 4th from 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. And that the um beach the the pickup for the supplies, the trash bags
and the reusable um cans to pick up the trash will be available for pickup at the library at 801 Commonwealth Avenue. So, it's an open event. if there's students or honor students that need volunteer hours, we'll also have letters um to provide to them for volunteer
hours for their academic, you know, applications to colleges and such. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir. Good evening. Edwin McFaden, resident of Osprey Point. Bees Point Development Corp. is
proposing a 180 room hotel, 400 unit multif family building, an 82bedroom units, plus 80,000 square ft of commercial space. While we realize this plan has not been approved by the township or anyone else, we feel that
the impact to parking, I'm sorry, to traffic at Route 9 and Roosevelt Boulevard needs to be addressed. And the question is, has the township or the state or the county made any consideration as to what is going to
happen when that development gets built with the traffic that goes in and out of that intersection? Thank you very much. I I'll just weigh in in that you already mentioned it's it's not a plan that's even going to our planning board or or to us right for any consideration, but
as part of any development plan that they're going to submit. They're more than likely going to submit a traffic impact study with that. I think our boards are going to require that. That'll be telling as to the additional traffic because I I think we can all agree there's certainly going to be
additional traffic, but how they plan on handling that if at all and that's going to be something for everyone to weigh when it comes time, but we just I wouldn't advise commenting on it yet because we just haven't seen anything. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Sure. Thank you. It's something we're very cognizant of.
Is there anyone else like to address the cancer committee? Hearing no more public comment, we'll entertain a motion to go into close session. I hereby move that a resolution be incorporated into the minutes authorizing the township committee to enter into executive session for the
following matters pursuant to open public meetings act matters. One, personnel. Two, contract negotiation health benefits. Three, contract negotiation benefit consultant services. Four, contract negotiation appraisal services. Five, contract negotiation
security services. Six, contract negotiation block 382, lots 1.01 and 11.02, litigation, Demarzo versus Upper Township. I would also include in my motion the estimated time and
circumstances under which the discussion conducted in close session can be disclosed to the public as follows. A it is anticipated that the matters discussed in public in close session may be disclosed to the public upon the determination of the township committee
and the public interest will no longer be served by such con confidentiality. B with respect to employment and personnel matters. Such discussions will be made public if and when formal action is taken or when indivi the individuals involve cons consent that can make made
public made to the public. C. With respect to the contract negotiations, such matters will be made public when negotiations have ceased and there are no longer a reason for confidentiality. D. With respect to litigation matters, such discussions will be made public when litigation is complete and the
actual appeal period has expired. Second, please call a roll. Mr. Casaceio, Mr. Nappen, Mr. San Palumbo, Mr. Zack Palumbo, yes. Mayor Corson, yes. Motion carried. Well, we're going to take a stretch our leg moment.