Good evening everybody. I'd like to call to or Yeah. I'd like I'd like to call to order the September 11th vendor city commission. Um before we get started, um I'd like to ask you all to take a moment of silence to reflect on the events of
September 11th. Uh we remember nearly 3,000 lives lost, the families forever changed. uh appropriate the first responders that showed extraordinary bravery and sacrifice on that day. Um and we'd like to also pause to remember
former fire chief uh Bertram Bert Sabbo, close friend and um dedicated chief for over uh gave over 30 years to the city of Vener Fire Department uh serving as chief from 2005 until his retirement. So I ask for a moment of silence on all
their behalfs. Thank you. Um, can we rise for the flag salute, please? Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Americ. >> Thank you. Uh roll call. Lisa. >> Commissioner Langrath >> here.
>> Commissioner Mento >> here. Mayor Creable >> here. Um would you please read the uh can I I'd also recognize the elected official our uh uh county commissioner Mr. Refu. Thank you for for being here for all your purposes other purpose but nice to
see you here. >> Thank you Bob. You're welcome. >> Yeah. >> And also want to welcome Bob Seri my my former councilman in Brigant team former councilman there and retired AC firefighter. So welcome. Nice to see you guys here. >> Thank you. So the roll call all all in. Uh,
>> come on, Maria. Who do you have here? >> We'll get to that. That's uh items item seven. Uh, Lisa, could you read the open public's meeting announcement for me? >> So, into the open public meetings act, adequate notice of this meeting has been provided. The agenda for this meeting is posted in city hall and on the city's
website. >> Thank you. Would you please read the live streaming announcement? >> The city of Vendor offers live streaming and the option of public comment via remote access as a convenience to the public. In the event remote access is unavailable for any reason beyond the city's control, the city will not pause
or stop the live meeting. The city reserves the right to discontinue remote access at the discretion of the city for any future meetings. Thank you. Um we're going to work a early resolution in here. Resolution 2025-294,
resolution uh authorizing the hiring of Christopher Hernandez under the state of New Jerseys alternate route program PL 20. May I have a uh motion to uh accept that resolution? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second.
>> Roll call. Lisa, >> Commissioner Langra. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento. >> Yes. >> Mayor Creable. >> Yes. >> So moving Yes. All in favor. Good job. >> Uh so uh obviously you're all here for
our oaths of office. We will um uh we have four oaths to to administer today. Uh the first being um uh Ryan and would you pronounce it? >> Tone. >> Tone. So Commissioner Mento would like to >> You don't mind Ryan. I would like to
swear you in >> as your deputy mayor. Would you rather have the mayor? >> Is this it? Tim. >> Yeah. >> So, you should have his name on it. Which one? There. These are for all of
them. So, fire. That's firefighter Brahmine. >> That one. >> There you go. They're in order. >> This also means you get to go to Marines for Thanksgiving. >> So, there's a little bit of a story here. I just met Ryan tonight for the first
time and when I saw his name on the list, I was looking at it and looking at it and looking at it and I called his father up and I said, "Is this your son?" Because I remember seeing you on Facebook. Is there two of them? Ryan is my cousin,
my second cousin. I'm getting emotional. I don't think I ever met you unless you were a little kid running around at a family party, you know, and then we all went our ways and we moved from where we grew up and his grandmother, my father were brother and sister. So, this is a
real honor and privilege for me. Thank you for allowing me to do this. So, you will repeat after me and raise your right hand. Got the B. Okay. And you know, we're all cousins, too. >> Yeah. >> I Ryan Tone do solemnly swear that
>> I Ryan Tone do solemnly swear that >> I will support the Constitution of the United States >> I will support the Constitution of the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey >> constitution state >> that I will bear true faith and allegiance >> that I will bear true faith allegiance
>> to the same and to the governments >> to the same to the governments >> established in the United States >> established in the United States >> and in this state >> and in this state >> under the authority authority of the people >> under the authority of the people >> and that I will faithfully >> that I will faithfully
>> impartially and justly >> partially and justly >> perform all the duties of the office >> perform all the duties of the office >> of firefighter >> firefighter >> according to the best of my skill and ability >> according to the best of my skill and ability >> so help me God >> so help me God
>> congratulations pictures. >> Okay, >> signature of minute. >> Welcome to the family. Family. Okay, we got everything here. >> Everything else. >> Do we need his address? High street
address. Okay, >> you guys got the pictures you guys. >> You're welcome. all the way up right there. You're going to come into the pictures. Mom and dad are hold your shirt down, buddy.
>> Now you're on TV. Now you're on TV, too. >> We'll have to send this out to Hamilton. One, two, three. Don't leave yet. >> Don't leave yet. >> Good. Spider-Man. There we go. >> All right.
>> Ramy Luke Brahmy. Yeah. Nice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. >> Sign. Go to Lisa. This is This is next. >> Good. You got move everybody into the middle. So that
right? >> She's great. Hi, nice to >> meet you. And then if you further say that do >> solemnly swearly >> that I will support the Constitution that I will support the Constitution
>> of the United States >> of the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey. Constitution of the state of federal >> and that I will bear true faith >> and that I will bear true faith >> and allegiance to the same >> and allegiance to the same >> and to the governments >> and to the governments
>> established in the United States >> established in the United States >> and in this state >> in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people >> and that I will faithfully >> that I will faithfully >> and partially >> partially >> and justly perform >> justly perform >> all the duties >> all the duties
>> of the office of firefighter >> the office of firefighter >> according To the best of my skills and ability. To the best of my skills and ability. Oh God. Congratulations. Thank >> He's got a sign. Thank you.
>> I know it was video and you don't get to >> get in there. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. >> You got the last one. Y You help me with your the pronunciation of your last name.
>> It'll pick up better. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, um, I'm just going to read this in phrases and then it's up to you whether you have a chance to say so. All right. So, um, we'll wait till comes down a little bit, but you ready? You
can raise your right hand. Wait for the chief to silence the room. You silence the room. You want to silence the room? Thank you. I, Nicholas Gdera, >> I, Nicholas Gdara,
>> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution >> That I will support the Constitution >> of the United States >> of the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey >> and that I will bear true faith >> that I will bear true faith >> and allegiance to the same
>> and allegiance to the same >> and to the government >> and to the government >> established in the United States >> established in the United States >> and in this state >> and in this state under the authority of the people. >> under the authority of the people. >> And that I will faithfully >> That I will faithfully >> impartially >> impartially
>> and justly perform >> justly perform >> all of the duties >> all of the duties >> of the office of firefighter >> of >> the office of firefighter >> according to the best of my skill and ability. So help me God. >> according to the best of my skill and ability. So help me God. >> Congratulations.
See the rower. >> He said one was a rower. He said he's the rower. All right. I still wrote I wrote in high school, too. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> I do. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's good. >> Oh, here you got a sign.
>> Yeah. >> SW in high school, too. >> Did you? >> Yeah. Atlantic. >> Yeah. Carolina. >> Yeah, >> that's 89. >> That's 85. >> Okay. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. >> We wrote the thumb. Yes.
>> Okay. I visited her in England. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All set. >> All right. You're going by now. Congratulations. Really is. >> Thank you. All right. All right.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, make sure they stay. >> Oh, yeah. >> Uh, Christopher Christopher Hernandez. All right. >> Hi. >> All right. >> You have to get your kids to come out of their shell.
>> Go ahead. >> Nothing like >> Oh, it's fun. You guys are fun. Hello. >> Yeah. >> I want to hold it. Watch your head. >> All right. You hold it right there. >> Yep.
Here. You want to hold this? >> All right. Ready? >> Ready. >> I, Christopher Hernandez. >> I, Christopher Hernandez. >> Round of applause. And now, please >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution >> that I will support the Constitution
>> of the United States >> of the United States >> and the Constitution >> and the Constitution >> of the State of New Jersey >> of the state of New Jersey. and that I will bear true faith >> and I will bear true faith >> and allegiance to the same. >> and allegiance to the same. >> And to the governments established >> and to the government established >> in the United States >> in the United States
>> and in this state >> and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people >> and that I will faithfully >> and that I will faithfully >> impartially >> impartially >> and justly perform >> and justly perform >> all the duties of the office of police officer >> all the duties of the office of police
officer >> effective September 15, 2025. effective September 15, 2025. >> According to the best of my skills and abilities, so help me God. >> According to my best abilities, so help me God. >> Congratulations. because I'm future politicians.
>> Yeah. >> All right. >> We'll buy you a >> meeting. >> All right. You gota do say uh say meeting a journ. >> All right. Good job. >> Picture and then we got to get out of here.
>> JJ look smiling. All right. >> All right. We're good. >> Good enough. >> You got it. All right. Done. Let's go. Come on. We're doing pressure. Let's go.
>> Let's go. >> Unifor. >> Get one with them. All right, >> you take a picture with everybody. >> If you're done, we get them squeezed in here. >> Come on.
standy. >> Guys, move down. >> Come on down. >> You're gonna have to squat a little. You're a big guy. >> Stand in between. So it's like a team, guys. cuz I'm behind you. >> Somebody take one for us.
>> Lisa. >> Lisa has it. >> Lisa Lisa. >> Lace. Lisa. >> Boom. Sad. Everybody else. Okay. the perfect. >> All right.
They got to press it. He could add This is not Let's see. It's very nice. What if hardly anybody left? CL a little bit. That was nice.
>> All right. All right. Um, take this back. That was helpful. >> That was helpful. >> Double doubles as a child rattle. >> Yeah. All right. Um, so we'll move on to uh item six. We have a presentation uh this evening. D AJ presentation uh
with uh Jack Placer. Your the microphone is on there. It looks like it's >> just hit the but that button there to turn it on. >> There you go. Good mayor and commissioners and professionals. Uh may
it please the board. Jack Plector from Fox Rothschild representing DAG. Um, we just wanted to, you know, give you a presentation so you can make a finding of whether you think our current plans are consistent with the redevelopment plan. Um, I have with me Tom Days who's
from Arthur Ponzio's office. He's a licensed professional engineer and planner as well as Aaron Smith who's one of the principles and uh Matt as well from uh the principles. So the biggest change I think that we made between you know we got a lot of input from we got
some input from the commissioners, we got some input from the planning board. I think the biggest change that we made was the architectural elevations and you know what we try and turn it into a really
nice architectural rendering nice architectural feeling seashore has some brick has landscaping. We do have three spaces per unit and uh we did cut down the density not significantly, but we cut out a couple units to have more of a
park-like area uh in the center. We've also filed our site plan application and um I can we can swear Tom in, but to be honest with you, the site plan, it's 34 units rather than 36. Each unit has
three parking spaces and that we aren't requesting any variances or deviations at all from the approved redevelopment plan that this council or commission, excuse me, approved uh recently. So, we have filed for a formal planning board application. It's it's in the process of
being reviewed. Um, and we're very excited about the project. The commercial, you know, we could show you the renderings, but the commercial is really not part of Why don't you put those up, Tom? you know, we we want to add uh outdoor patios and lighting, but that's not really subject, you know, to the planning board
application at this time. We're waiting to lock down some tenants. Some of the commissioners have been very nice to uh I think refer to us potential tenants and we're excited about talking to them and once we get that nailed down, we'll be back before the board. We don't really need to take a lot of your time, but Tom and the principles are here if
you have any particular questions about our application. I think the uh the application coming before the planning board is really the nuts and bolts will get meed out. I mean, yep, from a a surface look at it, it does meet seems to me to meet the the redevelopment plan goals and objectives
and and the parameters of it. No relief being requested, which is nice. Means you followed the plan, which is good, right? >> And I do appreciate the the work towards the uh the architectural. That was always something that was brought up at the planning board, was brought up here a couple of times. The residents have
have raised it. I think looking at the different If you can pull that back up, Tom. >> Sure. Yeah. But >> just the facades there I think more lend itself with the outdoor space on those decks. Before, if you remember, the the decks really were kind of inset,
>> right? >> Had roofs over them. I like the fact that these are open decks um for the most part. At least the top two are open decks. Um the first floor certainly is covered by the second floor deck, but um I think I like that that design. It's got the Key West style um uh I don't
know what you call them. You're the architect >> on the side side. Yeah. That little >> overhead roofs over there. >> They do have a lot of that in the sort of the cottages in Cuba with the metal roof. Yeah, >> I kind of like that. >> Yeah, >> I think it has come around a little bit.
I can't see the brick on it. I know you guys were trying to work some brick into it from the school facade and try and work that in. I don't see that, but I'm not looking at it up close. So is it along the bottom >> ground floor? Ground floor. Yeah, we can you want to go ahead and bring it up for you or >> No, that's fine. Well, like I said,
we'll get a more detailed look at it at the planning board level. >> Um, but from the from a redevelopment standpoint, I think that's moving in the right direction and I think we would be ready, I think, at our next meeting in two weeks to do a resolution supporting this as being consistent with the redevelopment plan. >> Right.
>> Yeah. I just want to piggyback on what Lance said. Um, just to add, um, I like that there's a red reduction in the density from some of the original numbers that we heard. Um, and I think the site and some of the drawings, um, you really have to, um, uh, are are a
little aren't don't do that it justice. I think this the there's there's setbacks from, um, Troy Avenue and the opposite street where there's no um, there's no entrances to those. So, we're protecting some of the the mass away from or you are protecting some of the
mass from the streets. And I think that's a little hard to perceive with the school is also has green space in front. You're adding green space in the middle. And for for for from my point of view, I think it's it's important because they're town houses that it shows that there is some air and space
in between these. And I I it's hard to I I can see it on the floor plan. It's a little hard to see it in the renderings, but those the the the using grass patches in between the driveways is I think it looks like what you're proposing. I think those all those cues um can combine to make it an a a more
open feeling. And you know, to your credit, you're not looking for any deviations or variances here. Correct. >> There that that So, so some of the you know, our so opinions are are are open. I I I would ask if you could keep us posted on what your your plans are for
the commercial. I think that's something that we as a city are always trying to to keep the momentum going. We'd love to see that uh the vacancies um Sure. >> Um you know, we'd love to see those vacancies occupied and and it matters from a uh the lighting plan from an from
an from an in the evening. The city seems a little dark in that part. So having the outdoor lighting plan for the school and the potent and the future commercial, we we you know, we just encourage you to do it as quickly as possible because >> we may we may be able to uh perhaps implement the lighting plan, you know,
as as you know, when we do the residential development as well while we're waiting. I think that'll help with the marketability of the building as well. >> Yeah, I agree. I think that if you could have had the lighting plan with the uplit the building to give it some of the charact the architectural character while that's happening and developing I think that is would only benefit the
city and you for to have I would appreciate I would appreciate that. Um but the I I like how the the how you took uh some of our comments to bring in the brick from the school itself and bring in some of those the current you
know the current tastes for for coastal finishes. Uh, you know, there's a lot of blacks and blues and and grays, but that's that's what people like right now, >> right? I >> also noticed, and Maria, forgive me before you get a chance, they do have the one-way street going. Looks like it's going to go towards Troy Avenue, I
think, is where. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, as long as there's, you know, I think all the green space you can, I would, you know, pay play that forward as you get into the planning board. But, Commissioner Mento, if you had any comment. Um, I think you both pretty much said it all other than, um, this is
a big change from what was first presented. So, uh, it's much more appealing at least to me. >> The applicant did listen to their credit. So, thank you guys. >> Yeah. >> And thank you for we met and thank you for um, taking our suggestions and
comments into consideration. >> Well, a redevelopment agreement is a partnership between the governing body and the redeveloper. So, you know, we have to take those things into account and it actually made our development, I think, better to be honest with you, your suggestions. >> Good. Well, it's it's a it's an underused
piece of property in the city. It's the last big um vacant space really the largest vacant space in the proper town of Bner City and having um and you know, bringing more population allows us to do more with you know, events and and the businesses do better. Um so, we're we're
looking forward to your success. Your success is our success. So, >> thank you. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And the three parking spaces is huge in my opinion. >> Well, plus by um not fronting them on, you know, on the streets, in other words, by flipping them so that most of
the fronts are on the inside road, we were able to save a tremendous number of the those angled parking spaces, which is good for the neighborhood as well. >> Yeah. >> Because originally we were going to put the town homes along uh Troy Avenue and New Haven, and that, you know, would have taken up a lot of the angled parking spaces.
>> So now, show the plan again. the plan view. >> The site plan >> site plan. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> I think that actually creates a its own you don't want to say its own little neighborhood, but it kind of does. >> Sure. >> You know, you have the existing older
homes on Troy and excuse me in New Haven, but this will create its own little, you know, the little townhouse development in in the core of our community down in our downtown business area. So, >> I think it's it's right for pedestrian circulation and all of that that it brings with it.
>> You don't lose any street parking or minimal street parking at the curb cut. You you you push that commercial parking towards the the the the re, you know, the redeveloped school building and it left that green space in between that. I think I heard I think I remember hearing
that the the the commercial side will will take care of that that space, right? So, um, so th those are, uh, it's hard to, it's hard to pick to pick holes at it at this point, especially because there's no variances required here. This is all, you know, three three parking
places, three bedrooms, appropriate size, reduced from, I think it was in the '60s original plan was. So, this is a great, this is a I think this is a better fit in my opinion. >> Okay. >> Yeah. All right. And you're close to the firehouse. >> So, very close.
>> We heard that. >> Very close. >> Well, we thank you very much. John, if there's any other questions, we'll >> I think so. And I think we'd be in a position for next our next meeting on the 25th, I think it is. >> 25th >> to to have a resolution prepared to to show that that's, you know, substantially with the redevelopment
plan. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. We're also hoping to get the redevelopment agreement finalized then too as well and be named the redeveloper if we could. >> Okay. Yeah. >> I think we got all the changes. >> I saw some drafts of it today. Yeah. >> Um I think >> I was fine with what what Mike had
suggested. We'll circulate it now with the rest of the >> Okay, great. >> and and move that forward as well. >> And if there's any questions on that, we're more than happy to speak with you about the redevelopment agreement. >> Sure. >> Okay, great. >> Well, thank you very much. >> Thanks, John. Always a pleasure. Have a good one.
>> There he is. Move behind there. Good to see you guys again. >> So, David had the closest commute and he's not here. Ah, >> there you go. >> Thank you.
apples and orange. >> So, so um we're going to um adjust the agenda a little bit just so that we can have um uh some con uh we can we can um have our uh our guests here. Um and so Lisa, we have uh we have to read the um
>> we do we have executive session. >> Executive session. >> Yes. So, we just ask that the um Zoom platform um puts people in waiting room and >> that was um I'm sorry. Did you >> And one of the attorneys might be on Zoom. >> Oh, I see.
>> David Weinstein from uh I don't see him on there, though. >> No, there's nobody on here. >> He's trying to get here, so we might have to go back into it later. >> Okay. >> David Weinstein from Archer. It's on the um the other redevelopment plan.
>> Oh, okay. So, >> all right. >> Is that is that on the >> It was for the >> No, we're just having two executives to >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, it's not executive. It was just going to be here to be for discussion. Yeah. >> For that discussion and I don't think we're
>> Sorry, that's We can get to that later. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> So, can I have a motion uh for uh to enter into executive session? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Can I roll call, please? >> Commissioner Langra, >> yes. >> Commissioner Mento, >> yes. Mayor Creel. >> Yes.
>> The New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act permits the discussion of certain matters within an executive session as an exception to certain provisions of said law. The Vendor City Board of Commissioners wishes to discuss certain matters which qualify as exceptions in executive session. No binding upon no
action binding upon the board of commissioners will be taken within executive session and the discussion conducted in close session will be disclosed to the public when excuse me when legally permitted and when the public interest will no longer be served by keeping such matters confidential.
The two matters to discussed are litigation matters attorney client privilege and contract negotiations. >> Anybody in the waiting room? >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we're back after the close session. During the close session, we discussed two items. One was a
litigation involving Carisbrook Inn. Um, so to address that, we're going to take a motion to proceed as discussed in that closed session. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second, >> please. We're going to have roll call. >> Commissioner Langria. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento. >> Yes.
>> Mayor Creable. >> Yes. >> And with the second item, we discussed the negotiations with the PBA. That's the police union for the city. And there will be a resolution addressing um that during the body of the meeting.
>> Okay. All right. All right. Um so moving forward, we have um we are at item nine, correct? >> Yep. So um we have minutes of the June
12th regular session. Uh we I think we were all were we all here for that, right? Um, so no one's everyone's good there. Uh, then we'll have uh we have no ordinance introductions and we have no public hearings and adoptions. We do have uh A through double A of
resolutions and uh contracts uh for cons on our consent agenda starting with 267. Uh this is to reappoint Summer Renzi as the uh CRS coordinator. Yep. >> Correct. any worked here. Now she
jointly works with us in Longport. >> Right. So this is a a reappointment of summer rent. >> Yes. >> Uh 268 is um uh this is uh payout for um funds for
Tom Halpin under his uh for vacation and sick time as as described in his contract. Correct. Um item 269. This is um revenue and appro special revenue and appreciations. This is uh um
a u management assistance grant for $10,000 from uh uh PLPS Lance. Is that um a part of >> emergency management >> emergency? Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, it's for supplies basically.
>> For supplies. >> Okay. Um uh 270 is uh refunding a merchant license and fee and fire inspection fee for a total of $100. Um pretty straightforward there that the
the um the building did not go forward. Um 271 is uh accepting the resignation of Zachary Calhoun. >> Okay. Um, resolution 272
is salary adjustment for Michael Milenberg and public works effective May um, uh, 1st of 2025. >> Yeah, this was supposed to be on earlier in the summer. We just it never got on the agenda. So, >> yep, understood. >> Can I go back to the grant? It's cold weather gear.
>> Cold weather gear >> for divers >> and barricades and generators. >> Barricades. We always need more barricades. Um uh this is for uh um changing our uh professional
services uh limit for Blaine Donahghue in Weineberg not to exceed $9,600. $96,000 >> 100 that would be >> 100 many a few hundreds um and um and uh next is 274 resolution
um this is a authorizing a tax refund. and it was a duplication um of payment. Um 275 is um awarding a forestry uh consulting needs um to Dave Resources
Group. This was uh uh tree inventory um not to exceed uh our $5,000 from the city for a $25,000 cost. So, we have $20,000 grant for that, which will help us um with getting grants and improving this
the the treecape in the city. Uh 276 is um this is our uh um our agreement to oppose the proposed protecting against climate threat pact um and the real rules for resilient um environment and
landscape rules. We've discussed this a number of times, but if you wanted to reiterate anything, >> yeah, it's just again renewing our objection. We've probably passed five resolutions opposing this over the last three years. >> Um, the D is just not listening to anyone. >> Commissioner Lretet continues to push
this forward, even with legislators asking him to hold it >> um and let the new governor, whoever he or she may be, decide if that's the way they want to move forward. So, all the municipalities along the coastline are are passing this resolution to oppose that
>> as we should. I I met with uh um an architect working on a municipal project that says it's just, you know, it's kind of puts everything at hold. >> Yep. Going to shut down development on the barrier islands and if it is built, it's going to push it up another five feet in the air. >> Five feet.
Okay. Um so, uh >> oh, let me correct myself. They re they changed the rule to lower it to four feet. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thinking that was the olive branch that was going to get us all to say, "Oh, yay." >> So, how many feet is it total? Four feet
that with the four >> on top of the 12 we already had >> 12. >> Yeah. It's >> So, if you raised your home post Sandy and you're all compliant with FEMA, paying very little flood insurance, that's going to change because
>> you got to charge. >> Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, it was done without and even the people that wrote the >> Yeah, the Ruter study, the the professors and engineers that wrote the the the um flood elevation change study
have reigged on their own study. They've said we used we forecasted it too far out. Nobody knows how far that that's going to be, right? >> We should look at much smaller increments. They're looking at 80 to 100 years out. >> So, what's it course if this does pass? Can can then the towns do a class action
suit like we were talking about earlier? legislation. >> You can't legislation, >> but it's not legislatively. This was not done through legislation. This was done through rulemaking process at the D. This that's that's the biggest problem. It didn't go to our legislators, right?
Never went to the assembly. Never went to the Senate. It's the governor saying we're going to do this and he told Larat to write new rules and he did it. It's extremely frustrating. that step of open and open government and yep the debate. >> So that could be a possibility for
litigation. >> Yeah. So there's there's a lot of support in the legislative body both assembly and and h and the senate to squash this. So I'm hopeful that's why it's been delayed. They're pushing to
try and adopt this literally in December. What the real reason that if every the people that did the studies are no longer supporting it and >> insurance companies >> studies against it. >> It's the insurance companies. >> It's flat out the insurance companies. >> Right. Okay. So
>> that's the lobby group. That's why we can't get their liquor license because the lobbyists >> insurance. >> Exactly. >> Are catering to the insurance company. >> Exactly. The lobbyist groups. That's why we can't get the liquor license changed because the lobbyist groups for the restaurants don't want it to change because they have a monopoly on it.
Right. >> So, it's frustrating. >> Okay. So, I guess we're all in agreement there. >> Yep. >> Um 277 is um
277 is refunding of a basketball camp fees. Um 278 is refunding of volleyball fees. 279 is uh refunding partial soccer camp fees.
Uh 280 is duplicate payment um for an event permit. Uh 281 uh is uh city var approving the interimm appointment of uh Gabriel Hano for a police interim sergeant. So this is an
interimm seat for um to fill a vacancy. So it is uh and and potentially uh so he would be an acting sergeant to fill a officer on that on that on that uh shift. Um 28 any questions there?
>> Nope. No, I know Gabriel good guy. >> 282 is uh authorizing this is something we do every quarter. This is uh enforcement for no parking within the city of Ventner from October 1st to December 31st. Um and the following 283 is um
authorizing non- enforcement from the holiday season. So from Thanksgiving uh through New Year's Day of non-inforcement, something we do every year and >> it goes to May 31st >> uh in some areas.
So there's two separate um time times here. One is there's no parking throughout the entire city from New Year's to >> Thanksgiving >> from Thanksgiving to New Year's and certain areas in the off season from October 1st uh municipal lots. That's
>> I I I was suggesting maybe we should add Dorset Avenue to the October one through May 31st. I don't know if you guys saw my little note on that. >> I didn't see that one. >> I wouldn't have an issue with that. It's it's a very short little section there.
>> Two blocks. >> Can we amend that on the fly here? All right. We would add Dorset Avenue to that. >> So to be clear, we're going to we'll take it out. So the one whereas in the resolution indicates which ones would be fully enforced.
>> So we just take it out. >> So we'll take out both sides of Dorset Avenue. Okay. Correct. >> And 100 blocks. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. >> And and say uh it's 283
>> 283. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um going forward, uh 284 is bidding for the tennis court project. So this allows us to set the purchasing agent out to public bid for the uh tennis court
project. anything you want to add to that? >> I met with um Palestina Associates and Ed Stinson and Rick and I think it was CJ and then Snake was there too to talk about, you know, potential layout changes. Not a whole lot for the tennis
and pickle ball court areas. We did decide that at least one of the tennis courts would be striped out as a alternate pickle ball. Um we may rearrange that a little bit so we can get three courts out of it instead of just two. Um, we're talking about that.
That might take some extra effort. We're looking at that. Um, we did talk about a a shade structure in that center patio area um to kind of give people some respit from the shade. Um, new water fountains, things like that. Spruce up
the whole thing. So, that's the that's the concept at this point. I have not seen a final concept on it, but >> I think bathrooms are they're fine. >> Bathrooms are fine. Um, we do want to get that signage up that we've talked about. We want to get the signage out there. So, >> Yep. I saw that. >> Yep.
>> Um bike racks are and there's some weekends where that >> that's the other thing >> covered with >> more bike racks in there. >> The landscaping that's around that courtyard is all coming out. >> Good >> because it's had its and replaced. It won't we're going to go back to kind of dune grass kind of stuff and make it
more >> manageable there. I like the sound of it. Great. Um so the then the next two uh items are abandoned vehicle auctions for our two separate uh towing services. Um that's
resolution for setting a date for those. That's uh 285 and 286. Something we do very often. >> That's crazy. The cars are towed. Nobody ever comes. >> It's not a nice car. >> So >> yeah. >> Yeah. I checked. Yeah.
>> 287 is uh cancellation of tax uh for uh this is for North Buffalo Avenue. Um I think that was they b there was just an error
there. Um 288 is uh authorizing fees for tax sales. So this sets the fees for all of our um tax sales. And then the and then 289 sets the fees for the electronic version of uh which are seems
like all they we have z we have a full compliance on all that. >> We do this every year. >> Every year. Uh 290. This is um revocable license. So Lance, do you have anything to add to this? This is on Derby or Dudley.
>> Dudley. We talked about it last meeting. We got a description of it. Um, it's basically some landscape. They're putting in a pool in it's right behind the Weni Wine Bars, those units that are there. So, they're putting in a pool there and they're just putting in some additional landscaping outside of their fence, which is on the property line,
but it's in our right of way. >> So, anytime you put anything in our right ofway like that, they've asked to. So, some fencing and landscaping in that area. >> Yep. >> And if it we ever need the space, that's why it's revocable, >> right? >> We can pull it back. >> That street's looking really good now. I mean I'm I see that from both the bay
and the street and it that that whole edgewater has become a really uh really nice street it really >> lot of lot of building >> a lot y >> um so 29 291 is >> that
>> is we're pulling 291 >> and 292 and 293 >> and 292 and 293 we are pulling from this evening. >> Yeah. >> So, we're we're pulling 292 and 293. Um, but we are asking for a motion to
authorize the administrator to go out to get an appraisal on those two properties. So, it's 6512 Ventner A and 4803 Ventner. They're two vacant lots that we've been trying to sell for couple years now. So, we'd like to get a proper appraisal on them so
that we can put them out for for bid for auction. >> Do you want that motion now? >> Yeah. >> Yep. I'd make that motion to go out to an appra get an appraisal of those two properties. >> Second. >> Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Langria. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento. >> Yes. >> Mayor Creable.
>> Yes. >> So, the last three are pulled. >> Correct. add >> and we had to add >> we do have to add I believe it's 2976 >> which would be a resolution authorizing the execution of a memorandum of
agreement with um between the city and the PBA for a term of a new agreement um for four years starting January 1 of 2025. with that motion. Now >> I'll make that motion.
>> Second. >> We have a roll calls. >> Commissioner Langra. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kel. >> Yes. >> Did we need one for Christopher Hernandez as well? >> No. You voted on 94 in the >> Oh, at the beginning. That's right. I'm
sorry. >> Got it. >> We just have to say that 283 as amended when we get to uh Gotcha. and just add 296 to the consent agenda. So that's captured in the actual resolutions in the regular meeting because this is still the work session
portion. >> 267 to 282 and then 284 to 290. And then we'll >> say that again. >> So I have 267 to 282. >> So 282. >> Yep. And then 283 we're pulling. We're going to vote on that separate. Then
we're going to go from 284 to 290. We'll vote as in consent. and add in 296. And then when we're done that, we'll come and vote on 283. >> Got it.
Okay. >> Uh and that comes to the end of our works session in um for the uh for the resolutions by consent. Uh we'll have approval of bills and payroll and we have one discussion item for tax
abatement. You want to cover that now? >> Sure. Um tax payment is the Oh, no. You don't have it. Uh it was uh uh Tom uh just said that uh he his recommendation is that we it's
been uh popular it it's coming up for renewal. So, uh, it's been a popular and successful program and our, if we're an agreement, we would continue it. >> An ordinance. I believe everybody should have gotten a copy of it. I have one on the bench if anybody would like to just
refresh. When is this coming up? When is this expired? >> Um, think you have to. >> Yeah, but I'm not sure. >> It's before the next meeting. >> I don't know if it's actually says it when it's up. I'm sorry. Just I know we
had really really brief not even a discussion maybe comments that maybe >> a couple months back we had a >> did a >> um yeah so the the the we did and I was kind of um I banged heads a little not
banged heads but I kind of asked some questions of the tax assessor if we could sculpt it in ways that improved other areas some areas more than others take away some of the beach block but it But it was kind of like you really can't you really have to treat everybody the same. >> Got it.
>> So, um >> took care of that. Okay. >> Yeah. That was my only that was my only you know ask was to discuss it and that's what uh that's what we came back with. >> We need to do this tonight. >> No. So if you guys all okay with this and you think this is what you want to
do, we'll introduce it at the next meeting. >> Okay. You would have you would pass it. Right. Okay. >> All right. Good. >> So that's the discussion. >> Yeah. As long as you Tom was going to be here and I guess he was going to work with you if you saw any changes. >> Yeah. >> But if you think of anything, I guess you could get back to him before the
next meeting. >> Yeah. I mean, I was like looking to I wasn't looking to do anything radical to it because I think the the the community of of uh of house the temperature is not, you know, I think it's it's well
thought of in uh in the city for and by realators and by purchasers. um it gets us a little bit of an edge and it ends up paying for itself in the long run. I asked what it did cost the city and um about $130,000, but in in a on a yearly
basis, but in in the long run, it repays it in in multiples of that. So, I'm in favor of it. >> So, we'll include that on the September 25th Yes. meeting for introduction. >> Right.
Um so we have a public portion. Um uh um if uh we have a a motion to open the disc the uh workshop for um for the public. If anybody in the chambers or on the Zoom platform wishes to comment
about anything that we've talked about so far in the workshop session, there will be time at the end of the commission meeting to talk about general topics. >> Make that motion. Second. Roll call. >> Commissioner Langra. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento. >> Yes.
>> Mayor Creable. >> Yes. >> Seeing none in the You're good. Tom, >> anybody uh Jim, anyone in the Zoom platform that wishes to make a comment about anything we discussed so far? >> No, there isn't anybody on the Zoom
platform. >> No one there. Okay. Um I have a motion to close workshop portion of the meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. Have a roll call. Lisa, >> Commissioner Langra, >> yes. >> Commissioner Mento, yes. Mayor Creel, >> yes. So, with that, I'll call to order
the regular session of the meeting. I have a motion to approve minutes of June 12th, 2025. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Roll call. Lisa. >> Commissioner Langra. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento. Yes. >> Mayor Cable. >> Yes. No. We have no introductions. Uh no
public hearing. No ordinance adoptions. So fingers crossed I get this right. Motion to adopt resolutions 267 to 282 excluding 283
and mot and resolutions 284 to 290 and adding 296. >> Correct. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> May have a roll call. >> Commissioner Langria. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento. >> Yes. >> Mayor Cable.
>> Yes. patting myself on the back that I got that >> or it was like >> now we got to do the the amendes. >> So now we do uh can I have a motion to not get too cocky? Can I have a motion to approve uh resolution 283 as
described in the workshop session? >> Make a motion to as amended. I was going to say with my motion to approve resolution 283 as amended. >> Second. >> Commissioner Langrio. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento. >> Yes. >> Mayor Creable.
>> Yes. With uh out patting myself on the back there. >> Um item 19 is approving bills of payroll. Do you have that? Yes. >> For your uh Amy since she's no longer >> I have bills in the amount of 8,373,8818.
I have two payrolls. The first being 832025 to816 2025 in the amount of $84,85.70 and 817 to830 2025711,123.38. >> Did I hear that correctly? So two months in a row we had zero cents on one of the bills.
>> Yeah, the bills. Yes. >> Yes. >> 8 million 3738. >> Happiness comes to those who wait, right? That's a Powerball number you got to play for. >> I'm telling you, it's a power ball. >> Are no coincidence.
>> Um, announcements and and uh safety report. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Can we have a roll? May I have a motion to accept uh bill? >> Second. >> Second. >> Commissioner Langria? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento? >> Yes. >> Mayor Creable? >> Yes. >> Um, and no announcements uh or safety
reports? Uh, Commissioner, comments or reports? Commissioner Langraph, do you have anything? I've got a list. >> All right. Um, so I'll start with public works. Thanks, Rick, for for my list of stuff. So, Titusfield Press Box. We did a rebuild out there. That's complete. There's some photographs. I'll pass that
around. Let's shoot that out to you guys. Um, Titus Field sign. I have to thank both Rick and former Commissioner Sandy Respino. Um, Sandy came out. We were Rick and I were talking about finally finishing that brick sign right by the the boat house there, that one
entrance. um ran into or Patty Patty and I were talking. She said, "Well, Sandy had started that um years ago, 20 plus years ago." So, reached out to him. Took us a while to get the right brick. Um but Sandy and his team have been working on that for, you know, on his days where you can fit it in and it's coming
around. Um there's going to be some plaques on there. He's working with that sign was originally designed to thank the folks that originally started the work on Titus Field. Um the volunteers that keep those programs going. So, he's got a list that he's putting a plaque together to thank and to put on that
that sign. Uh, we are also going to have, you know, the the name Titus Field on there as well in raised kind of um metal letters. Um, so that's moving forward. And I've already heard some comments about people walking around while I was out there um talking with
Rick and Sandy about, you know, man, it took a while, but it's really starting to look good. If you go by there, it still looks like a work under construction, but brick looks good. Um, North Swathmore Swathmore Road resurfacing has been completed out there by Shalom House. Um, that's been done.
We had an issue with that road. Pedestrian crossing. You've seen them on Atlantic Avenue. We're going to look to add some of those to some of the other intersections on uh Veter Avenue as well. And you'll see them around town. We added them on Lafayette and Calvert. think that intersection is a resident
had reached out there and and public works and PD jumped on it right before school started and got an officer out there which was nice for the start of school. Um please thank the chief for his work there. Um we're going to look to talk to the county in the coming for the for next
summer about Ventner Avenue crosswalk striping. There's some intersections that are not striped um but are also not signaled. Last time I remember having that conversation with they don't like striping >> intersect non-s signalized. They want to encourage everybody to go to the
signals. Nobody's walking a block or two blocks to go to a signal. They want to cross where their street is. So we're we're going to reinitiate that conversation. We can do it on our streets where we own Dorset from Dorset to not Dorset from on
Ventner from Dorset to Jackson. >> Yeah. >> So we'll look at doing some of that at some of those main intersections that have that need crosswalks. the business section especially in um around >> I think most 311 it doesn't and that's a business >> that's a county >> yeah we can talk
>> we I have and that was the answer before but we're going to have to re reiterate it so um Winchester Avenue sewer main commercial cleaning to Oxford Suri Oceanside is complete Bayside it's taking place uh this week let's see skip
some of those stuff the uh veter gardens pro plaza project is 50% % uh complete concrete, sidewalks, curbs. It's after some of the the stormwater work we've done. Gotten another call from some residents out there. It seems to be working. When it's just a rain event,
it's working a ton better. When it's title, we're still struggling there. Um that's kind of all I have on the public works end. We've been working I'm sure Marie's going to talk about Seafood Fest, but we've been working with them getting set up out there. John Henderson and his team have moved into their
residency for the for the five days that they'll be here. We're going to have to prorate his taxes for those five days. Um if you get out there, he's got a new puppy called Hondao. It's a cool dog. >> Um go out and say hello there in Soul. And I thought somebody's living here. >> Yeah.
>> Cole. It's John. >> There's a trailer. >> Yeah. John sign it over to him for the period of time. >> Yeah. >> He runs his own security program there. >> Yeah. >> Um some news with Grant. um more engineering side of of of infrastructure. We got a bunch of money
for uh design and um planning for these projects. North Surrey Avenue water tower improvements. Got 65,000 in grant funds for engineering and design for the repair and painting of that tower. Uh Fulton Avenue, Fremont Avenue storm water pump station improvements. Um
440,000 in grant funds. Grant covers engineering, planning, permitting, design costs of $440,000 of the construction of new storm water pump station to be located at the intersection of Fulton and Little Rock. That's the street that floods all the time. So, we're we're upgrading that. Uh
Lafayette Avenue sanitary sewer pump station improvements, 185,000 in grant funds for that. Covers grant or engineering design costs up to that number. um emergency generator, new rails, piping, new pumps, um 500year
flood. It's going to be flood proof for 500-year flood elevations. And then lastly, Ventner Heights sanitary uh lateral replacement. This coincides with the lead line service replacements. This would be the sewer laterals as we're going through. We don't want to dig up
the road as the sewer lines fail, so we're going to replace all that at the same time. This allows us to design and and do that work at the same time. So 1,300 sanitary sewer laterals in Vent Heights. >> It's a lot. So in total, it's like just over a million dollars in grant funds
>> for four projects. So >> So it's all the designs going to be covered. >> Yeah. >> Which is good. And that sets us up for I bank funding for all these projects, >> right? We >> should get another summary from Jim back to 2016 that we will definitely access the
time's coming. That time's coming. >> So, but that's it. I know that was a lot, but I didn't really do a big report last month. So, thanks to Rick and his team and Ed and his team for getting me this stuff together. Ed and his team.
It's Ed. >> That is the team. >> That is the team. >> Revenue and finance here and events. And revenue and finance is typically usually, you know, the same old thing every day doing what they need to do. Um, I think by now everybody's paid their tax bill. When those those bills
went out, there was a delayed um a later payment date because we couldn't get them out until we got the information from the county and as soon as we plugged them in, we got them out. Uh, finance is um we're transitioning to a new payroll system and
that's never pleasant, something like that, but uh they're moving along with it and everything seems to be going okay. And then um the fun stuff of this job is the events. And as Lance mentioned, the seafood fest is this weekend at Ski Beach. It's Saturday and
Sunday, so come on out. Um every restaurant you can imagine is there offering the best of what they do. >> It's amazing. >> Yeah, it really is amazing. It's a great event. >> They added a wine tent this year. >> A wine tent. >> Wine tent. They have craft beer. They have uh wine, oyster tents, all that
kind of stuff. >> Like 13 breweries there. Yep. >> And there's a >> the chowder >> chowder. >> Yeah. The uh uh food bank. >> Yeah. One thing that was not seafoody. It was like a bacon on a stick.
>> Bacon on a stick was fantastic last year. >> Amazing. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. It's like the It's like as big as this gavvel >> slab of bacon. >> And then they dip it in honey or whatever. Yeah. It's crazy good. >> Sounds all >> No, it's not. >> Well, that's what I mean. It's not good
for you, but >> very good. >> It's only one or two dates. >> Yeah, it goes good with the lobster. >> Next September event is sold out. It's Ma at Red Room. >> It's September 27th. That's sold out rather quickly. We might be uh upping it next year to another 25 people.
>> Wow. >> So, from 125 to 150. >> Run that tent all the way down to Siri Avenue. >> Yeah. >> Um we have wounded warrior. Please come out and um honor our uh our veteran at
Ski Beach on September 17th at 5:15. It starts at Ski Beach, it runs down Dorset Avenue. Usually people are out there cheering uh the individual on and then it turns up to Atlantic Avenue and goes all the way to Longport. And you know, various sections get a lot of people and
we always want to have the most people in Vetner. So please come on out. and that's 9:17 beginning at Ski Beach at 5:15. And then we do have a date for the Eagles tailgate. That's October 19th. And um there are some other October
dates, but I guess I can go over them at the next meeting, the next September meeting. But there's there's some fun stuff coming up. We got Fall Funfest and uh we got some good stuff coming up. So that's it. >> And the weather's going to be good for this weekend, it sounds like. >> Yeah. So it look like it is. And oh, we
do have a veter city employee health fair and appreciation day on October 10th. >> And um >> Great. >> It'll be good. >> That's it for me. >> Great. I just have two things. Uh I just want to circle back to Fire Station 2
and Vendor Heights is now uh fully operational for the police department as well. So kudos to Chief Cahill and Chief Wooten for working together and the two forces for sharing cohabitating there. So we have two uh up and running full uh
workstations with um that are basically mirror images of workstations here. So um they have access with uh fourdigit code. They have uh all the systems and resources that they would here in their office uh that a patrol would need. Um
and they are uh uh working together uh in that office. It it sets us up to be more uh resilient if there's ever any problem with the with the bridge which sometimes happens and also uh just uh in bad weather for the for the added
activity at the plaza where you know we have more uh we have a presence out there and a place for our our team to be. So yeah, it's a good thing and it was really virtually um very painless from a financial side. It was just the kind of thing where you need we we worked with resources we had and bought
some furniture and ironed out the logistics of it. So, it was a I think a good win-win. >> But we have somebody there or only if we need to have >> only if you need to have someone there. The patrols have access to it if they uh if they need to do paperwork or have a
break of some kind. They've got a um What's that? >> Bridge. >> The bridge. not stand up there. >> Yeah. So, it's a good example. We had this uh we always had the idea that they would need it. So, we have a link to the
the police department's uh uh mainframe there already. So, it was already wired for that >> being built. >> Yeah, it was kind of one of the things that we added on our wish list that is now there. So, it's really um it's like creating a substation within an existing structure that we have and um and
they've all been um you know they're they're being respectful of it. They have a printer, the phone, uh uh computer workstations, desk and file cabinets there for for everything they need, >> right? U for a very low low cost. Um uh
I I want to just uh touch base on this and get your reactions. I did meet with uh I was at the planning board last night and I sent you guys an email about adding some um some language to the e-codes regarding two things. The um
there's the appearance and and maintenance and appearance for storefronts. Um these are all things that are taken from codes in other cities. uh namely 60% ground floor window remaining unobstructed um prohibiting uh you know reflective film
and and plywood on windows uh really just uh vacancy standards. So if there's a vacant building that they are required to upkeep it and make it look at least presentable in a lot of ways and not just have u uh empty the appearance of abandonment.
um uh signage requirements um uh uh things that are um limiting temporary banners. We have that already in our our code. Facade maintenance uh prohibiting mismatched unfinished materials. uh on adding awning standards
and lighting provisions like uh like the box lights with fluorescents or dis are are uh um are are um discouraged. So these are things that could be that if we have them in the code now new construction that happens throughout the
city the architects and designers would look at these and incorporate them. uh it's a little harder to do a look back and tell people to do what they have but um that uh and change what they have but this is the way um that I think that and adding some violations and penalties
that directly impact the business environment when they're when they're when they're overlooked. Um so the uh and and then also the signage is really again they're not really ownorous. They're just things that going forward new businesses as they arrive uh would
take a closer look at and have some more consistency in their uh in their in their design. Going forward with the master plan that could you could put some real definitions on that but as we all know things take time to get that to get actually executed and
codified. This is something that we could easily just amend our ordinances to have and that we could have. For instance, if there's, you know, something if one of these future empty lots or a big renovation, they would be in the code um right away. So, I'm
looking for your support on that. Um the planning board was 100% there was a small group, but it was 100% in agreement with it. So, they all um agreed. >> I can resend it. >> And I sent I can send it again to you. um with notes about some of the things
>> Monday I think you sent. >> Yeah. So some of the things are not uh applicable to code, but they would go into the master plan. So Roman Abex did a pretty thorough reading of it and made suggestions on which parts of the code it could go into. So I'll send that along. >> Okay.
>> If you guys are in agreement, I don't think it's really I'll I'll talk to the business association about it as well. Um, you know, I think the the the city's made some great strides, but things like lighting, especially my pet peeve of
chasing LEDs around windows that >> that's already in the ordinance. >> Yeah. >> They can't be turned on. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They can have neon, they can have the lights, but they can't turn them as they're chasing them. They can't flash. >> Right. >> So, that's already there. If you see it, we violation those. They have to turn them on. But >> I think you mentioned too like something
to cover like buildings that are empty. And I always remember, >> I don't know if it was in their code or they just did this, the old Sears building in Hamilton. I think it was Sears. >> It was empty for the longest time and it had it was blueberries. >> The one downtown still empty. It still has blueberries.
>> That Yeah. Well, well, Asbury Park has a number of empty buildings and they had like a art they had like a an art committee put in u you know, in the windows they made paintings and put them in the >> Oh, that's nice. and the of beach scenes, that kind of thing.
>> So, Asbury Park is another town that's got some revitalization, but I you know, we're not in a bad position, but it I I just don't I I I could see the the that if we don't have some of these things in place and the city is let is not codified, then you could get people just
putting up whatever they like without any, you know, without too much organization. >> Do you have anyations? >> I've said this before. I don't like telling people what to do with their property. So, I agree with with certain restrictions and putting things out
there for to make sure they're doing the right and proper thing. I'm not going to tell them what to do with the facade of their building. I have not supported that at all. So, setting up codes that set standards, yes. Architectural design
features, I'm not telling someone to do with their what to do with their property. >> It's it's not my opinion that we should be doing that. Um, what I said in the email to you was we're doing the master plan now. So, these things that you talked about
should go into the master plan because in order to change an ordinance, we have to get a report from our planning board that says those ordinances are consistent with our master plan. So, kill two birds with one stone, put these things into the ordin work, and then work through that
process. If there's ones that we have to add in now, we can do that certainly. Um, but putting in you're gonna have to go back to the planning board and say is it consistent with our current master plan and they may not be. So that's why I was saying put them in the master plan coming forward and then we already have
it as you know this is coming out of that master plan document that we can adopt these ordinances. So work work through it. I just I just don't it's like flat roofs. Folks don't like flat roofs. I don't like flat roofs. I don't own the house. I'm not going to tell you
you can't have a flat roof on your home. Colors. >> I'm not Yeah. And I'm not I I draw the line at things like colors. I'm just saying I think so like things like transparency of the windows. Uh >> that's fine. That's already in our ordinance. We can just update that from whatever it is now. I think it's at 40%.
>> Right. >> Might even be 33. We can increase that. That's fine. >> Yeah. I would limit it to things like I'm not saying that there's I don't think and I even said that last night. We're not going to be uh I gave the example of businesses in Nantucket where they'll come out and measure the side of
your the size of your uh shingle, you know, make sure you have the right window, >> the right reveal of your >> the number of lights in your window and um we're not going there. I'm just saying that there's uh the maintenance um >> maintenance is that's that's in the
ordinances now so that we can enforce that. It's we've we've been a little easy on businesses um because some of them were struggling for a while. They're they're still doing they're doing better, but we can we can right if if we see issues with businesses. My pet
peeve is they're not taking care of the sidewalks in front of them and letting grass grow in there, >> right? >> So, that's one of the conversations I'm going to have with Dino. We're going to send out a letter to all these folks. You got to clean up your sidewalks. you know, e those little plant boxes, they were put out there, but you guys are
responsible to maintain them. Um, if we want to take that over and have Sid do it, not Sid, listen to me. I'm looking, I'm talking to Rick and I say, "Sid public works." That's what Sid does in Atlantic City. That's a special improvement district. When we first got in office, I met with a lot of the business owners and asked if they wanted
to do something like that. There's a couple that said yes, but it's a tax to create that special improvement district. you're those business owners pay into that >> and I wasn't super in favor of it because it's it's more money for those
businesses to pay. So we we can certainly work with the current ordinances we have and write violations for property maintenance. We have not harped on that too too much because we're trying to work with the VBA and get them to do it internally.
That's not working. So, we can either go back to them and say, "Hey guys, you want to talk to your members and even if they're not members, talk to them or we're going to start have to writing violations and that follows up with fines." >> Yeah. I don't know how else to do it. I mean, there's the things that I pointed
out are are are examples of differences in what the code says. So, we'll I'll look through it again to see if there's something >> and what you put in there is good stuff. Don't don't get me wrong. >> Yeah. But I I agree. I would draw the line if I were coming to town and I was going to redo a a building. If they if
these things were in place, lighting, awnings, you know, maintenance, signage requirements, I I would work around that or work within my existing structure to make them in compliance. But I don't know what else we can do other than enforce u is to have the code written
well and then to enforce it. >> Agreed. And then the signage thing does add some things, but we've talked about in the past blade signage and um discouraging >> add a blade sign. >> You did >> ordinance. We should add that.
>> So you objective having that those things that added to ordinance that we could do. >> Yeah, way. >> I'm fine with that. And then I I still think the the committee on at the planning board wants to uh wants to have
more broadstroke language in the in the um in the in the master plan if there is anything >> and that gives us the ability to write regs into that around those master plan recommendations. >> And I know you don't want to add do anything with colors, but that pink
building on Met Avenue looked ridiculous from day one. And and you get people who do that sometimes. >> There there was a pink house on the bay forever. Nobody complained about that. >> It's it's >> we can't we Well, that's different. >> That business never went into place.
>> Yeah, that was a it was never opened. >> Well, I guess the I guess where it becomes debatable is is you're right is that that particular building is has been vacant for quite a while because that was activated and we wouldn't >> you see that sometimes in neighborhoods where like somebody
out of spite or fighting, you know, with the neighborhood or something and they they paint their house like bright purple or black or neon this or like >> that could happen, >> right? And you can't write ordinances around that. I don't think you can. I
don't think you should. So, I I don't I don't So, you know where I stand on on telling people what to do with their priorities. So, that was my that was my uh think disc I guess it's more of a discussion item than a comment. I do want to add one, >> but I did bring it I bring it up. >> I neglected to mention that yesterday
um I participated in interviews for selecting a judge for the central court, Atlanta County Court, municipal court and there were seven candidates, seven good candidates and um trying to see how many along with that
there were maybe four or five other um cities there participating in the interviews. So, um, now we have to decide who there's two positions open. Um, >> so possibly three and this >> possibly >> possibly three. Yeah.
>> If the decision is to um realign some things, I left you like the ranking. >> Um, so I I don't know if you want to talk about it or you want to just go with how I ranked it and um >> take a look at it again. >> Yeah. And I have all their resumes if you decide you want them.
>> Yeah, I'd like to see that. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. >> I have it in an email so that'll be easy to send. >> Perfect. >> All right. >> Um I'll put your ranking back in your bin. >> Okay. >> Um so that if that ends our commissioner comments, right?
>> Yes. >> Y >> um we have a kind of a motion to open the meeting for public comment. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Please roll. >> Commissioner Langra. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kel. >> Yes. So, this is a point where anybody
can comment about anything. It looks like uh we don't have anybody in the room or in the Zoom. So, can I have a motion to close public comment? >> So, moved. >> Second. >> So, roll call. >> Commissioner Langria. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Mento. >> Yes.
>> Mayor Creable. >> Yes. So, we've already uh gone through executive session. So, may I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Moved. >> Roll call. >> Commissioner Langri. >> Yes. >> Mr. Yes. >> Mayor >> Creable. >> Yes. Being adjourned.
>> Okay.