The main thing. >> Yeah. >> It's like Nike, right? Thank you. >> All the meeting to order. Your clerk, please read the statement. for notice regular meeting was provided
to the press on January 22nd 2026 and was posted at the municipal votes NJSA 104-7 >> salute the flag pledge allegiance to the flag of America
for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice Roll call, please. >> Council member Canino, >> here. >> Council member Ols, >> here. >> Council member Rudo, >> here. >> Council member, >> present.
>> President >> here. >> First order of business is a presentation for our new chief financial officer. Christian, you're new. You're on the job. What, six weeks or so? It's exactly a month. >> Good. One month.
>> Today's my month anniversary. >> Excellent. The purpose of having you here, we know that the budget is number one on your agenda, >> that you're working on it. We know that there's deadlines to meet and uh we're not there yet. You're not ready on that.
So, saying when do you think you'll be able to do that? >> So, I'm shooting to have it for the second meeting of March. So, >> 23rd. We have another one next week. >> Oh, the the 23rd. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's right. We have
>> two weeks after. I'm confused because this is technically not the first. Yeah. The last meeting in March. >> Okay. >> So, the 23rd and >> that gives us enough time to work on it with you until the next step. >> So, again, um different towns do it different ways. So, my goal is to get
you the presentation or the packet to of the whole budget. Um I don't think I'm going to assume that you guys will be looking at it and then we would probably introduce the following meeting because again as um was pointed out I can't just
hand it to you and expect you guys to like just go okay you know so you're going to probably need a little time to look at it. So I'm assuming that will probably introduce the soonest we'd be introducing is the first meeting in April. >> Okay. You'll be hearing tonight from some of the members on some things that they'd like to see in the budget. might
add extra work to you, but at least you'll you'll be given a heads up as to uh some of this. >> I mean, yeah, again, right now there's um there's a you know, this process usually starts in October. I started it
February 2nd. So, again, I'm doing you know, getting the best, you know, everything I can. I work on it every day. Um I'm putting extra hours in to get it done so I can get it done on time. general opinion status where we are process that you've inherited.
>> Um >> there's a lot of work to undo things to get them into your meth. >> If it's undo it's just a matter of different people work different ways. So where there might be some stuff that would make sense to someone who did it prior to me and again I I'm kind of
going through it with a fine tooth comb so I understand the numbers instead of just putting numbers to just put in numbers. Um I am trying to look at everything. So that is partly why it a little longer. >> Is there anything that you've come across that we can do to help you? Is
there any have you identified anything beside? >> No, nothing right now. I again I'm just literally trying to like I said try to um go through the lines and you know just make sense of you know if things are went over why if it was a unique
situation um new stuff coming up the a lot of PE departments or not a lot but a couple departments are looking to do scanning so they can go paperless so some of those costs are coming in so you you're going to be seeing some new cost of stuff to basically just bring things up
to technology today you know we're the way of having a bunch of filing cabinets are not really um a lot of uh departments are not really printing. They're trying to get into the scanning. So again it's more cloud storage. It's you know a scanning process um you know
company to scan the stuff in. So you will be seeing some additional costs with that. Uh obviously that is going to take years of building into the um the budget because to do the whole town I believe you said >> 200 something just for the building
department $250,000. So again not something we're going to do in one year but it is something that we want to try to budget every year something to try to slowly move all that those um documents over. >> Uhhuh. We had the opportunity to meet with the other department heads.
>> Um I met with the building so far. I'm meeting tomorrow with police department and DPW this week and I believe land use board. So I am trying to touch base with them because prior to me being here I know they did have a department meeting back in November. Um so I am just more
trying to meet with the department heads to make sure I capture something and just didn't get missed being written down. So there's just no um anything missing. So, after I'm going to go through each budget and then just
have them look at it and make sure that it captures what they said, um I still have to look at the capital projects and um the grants I'm still kind of looking into, too. So, just make sure they're all on. >> You had a couple questions, Hannah,
concerning personnel and uh >> Yeah, if I could ask you a few questions. Going to the budget, are you going to have knowledge? Um, in the past when I was on the council last, we had the department head speak to the council so we understood their needs
um, and their budget and they would explain everything. Are you going to be able to do that for each? >> So, what I usually do is if if any particular line item goes up, I get an explanation. So, I will have explanations for any um, you know, any large increases. I mean, if it's like
$2,000, I'm thinking that's pretty basic. But if they have any uh in large increases, I will be having some asking them what it is just so I will have some type of answer um for you uh the council if they have questions on why something
went up dramatically. >> Okay. And I'd ask the council if we need more time that we have a work session to discuss the budget. Yeah, that is an op something Sandy recommended that we'll talk about as a
council and uh are you assuming if we do that the CFO would be with us >> ideally? Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. So we have a good understanding and we can work on it >> so we have allows us more time to have a work session. just just so um
>> perhaps any other employee that we deem necessary. >> Mhm. >> Ju just so we're clear that um any time that any member of the governing body wants to come in and have that oneonone um which we normally do um have members
come in, we actually roundt that discussion with the CFO, Tina and I um with with the governing body. So you get that that special attention. So, we're not just going to throw something at you and tell you to just vote on it. So, we want to make sure that all of your
questions are answered um before before that happens. So, you will be asked if you have questions about the budget. We we require you to come on in. Let's sit down and and we'll go we'll go through it. >> But it really should be the whole council together. Um because we act as
one body. So, it would probably be more ideal. Well, we can't have the whole council coming into the office, but we can't have the whole council coming into the office. >> No, no. So, maybe we should get together and have you guys come to us. >> That's been the traditional way.
>> That's what that's where that's what we are going to have that that public session, right, where there'll be questions that you will be able to ask. But what I'm saying is just that if there's you want to go really into specific details uh that may take longer than a regular council meeting. Again,
I'm just what I'm offering is for you to come in and have that discussion prior and then I again you can have whatever you you want, but it's just I'm extending the hand for you guys to come into the office really go through some things that you may may not want to ask
in a public or maybe you want to ask you know privately. So that's again I'm just extending that courtesy. >> I think what we're trying to say is we want the department heads to tell us what they're all about instead of us saying are is this in place is that in place >> I I I listened I listened to the audio
of the meeting you had in November December >> that was on a Monday afternoon. Right. >> I don't remember the day. So did did everyone watch it? >> There was nothing to watch. It was just audio that I heard. If there's anything on there like
certain uh department that you have questions about, let us know what that is. So if you already listened to it, right, if you have questions that you want you want answers to about what that about that department, >> I think what Sandy is saying, I heard it and I came away with one idea. Every
department said things are okay. We'd had a pretty good year. I don't see anything outstanding and flat and and there's going to be some raises that are negotiated on the contract. That's my presentation. That was the same presentation I all made. So, there's
some things going on of needs or overages or underspending or overspending. >> I think those were >> should be should be should be discussed. >> It was it was discussed, right? Anything that was anything that uh >> was increased, right? We we actually
they talked about I think it was that Edmonds was the the one that really uh is the one that that that raised everyone's budget a little bit. No, which one was it? >> Um >> oh SDL. Yeah, SDL. Sorry. So it was SDL that uh that that license that software
license has went up for for each uh department. Uh that's every piece of software that every user uh has is that's how they do their day-to-day functions. that license went up. So that's the only thing that really I
think 95% of the the departments that's the reason why uh their budget went up a small amount. So but I don't think >> I mean just going through it real quick and again don't have any locked in. It's usually a lot of the budgets line items are staying the same. It's just a matter
of like as the mayor said, it might be SDL, it could be, you know, um another program or it could be the uh the scanning of the documents. So, it's not that they're all just raising all their line items. It's usually it's like one line item. That's why I'm saying when I
talk to them, I'm seeing what line item. It's usually most of the time it's one line item going up that's really taking the whole budget out of the whack. It's not that they like went down just kind of every line item up every line item to a, you know, 2% or whatever just to add a number. A lot of them did stay the
same. It's just one or two line items that due to whatever went up and that's the what I'll be asking them why it went up and >> but but I think they want to see the budget book first and then they may have questions and it's probably >> it'd probably be quicker instead of individual people going to you bringing
all them there. they yeah >> one meeting and knock it out especially if what you say is true and I don't doubt that it isn't it it once they have that they may not have any questions but they are asking for the opportunity if they do to talk to the people who
thought that they needed it >> yeah just so we're afforded that opportunity somewhere in this process >> so we're you said the expected transmission of the budget to us would be on the 23rd of March Yes.
>> So because when I went to the training session a few month not a few months a few weeks ago they had said that the deadline of transmission for a budget in this form of government to the governing body would be the 27th of February or the next available meeting which would be tonight.
>> But I also did talk to the auditors and being situation that we're in they don't see the DGS having a problem if I had to extend another meeting because of the shortterm turnaround that I'm trying to do. I mean, it's not like we're just if I had started this in October and I extended it, yeah, we might have a
problem, but it would just be a matter of them saying, you know, started on this the February 2nd. I mean, again, I I work on this every single day. I do have some other CFO functions that have to be done. >> But on a whole, I would say 80% of my
day is on the budget. >> Yes, I I understand. And we um from what I understood, we're just asking for an opportunity to ask questions in a work session with those department heads so that we you know we don't want to I just
I get nervous that we're not going to get enough time to really go through the budget and make sure that we are comfortable and agree with everything or express any concerns we have about it because of such a short time frame. So, I really like the idea of doing a work session where we can just talk about the
ask as many questions as we need and there's nothing else on the agenda and we can make sure we're all comfortable with it at the end because that collaboration I think is really necessary. >> Again, different towns do it different ways. I didn't know how you guys did it in the past. >> It's not like I'm looking to change
anything or whatever, but again, whatever we need to do. Mhm. >> Are you saying that you had you basically had to reconstruct the whole budget? >> Um >> that there was >> not construct but I went through >> I'm sorry.
>> I didn't have to construct it. It was there but to some extent it was pieces of it was there. So to walk in in the middle of something that somebody else did, it's kind of hard to just pick up the ball and start running with it. So for me it was just more comfortable for
me to go each department and look at everything salaries and on and you know I haven't gotten to the capital yet but eventually capital and like I said and then we have some grants that you know that I know recreation applied for that I have to just make sure is on. So um a
part of it is is just so I can understand it. Um I just don't want to throw a number up because that was what was here. I need to understand it. That's just my thinking. So, we may have an opening to be able to do this. Marcy, you said on the next
agenda, which is two weeks from tonight, it's a limited agenda at this point, right? >> Um, actually, our next agenda is next week. That's right. >> Today, and then the second um meeting in March is the 23rd, >> right? >> But I don't wouldn't we want to see the
draft first before we meet with the department heads? >> So, >> probably. >> Yeah. So, we're not going to see that until the 23rd, >> right? If you're being presented the budget and we're introducing it on the 23rd. >> So, we're not introduc I'm going to get it to council for the 23rd.
>> And I would say the soonest we would introduce it would be the first meeting in April. So, I would see somewhere between the 23rd and the first meeting in April. Okay. Workshop. >> So, you just have we just have to come up with a date and I have to advertise it and and a time.
>> Good. And uh so I just want to clear up some dates. So we'll have a draft on the 23rd. >> That is my goal. >> Right. Introduction on the 13th. Public hearing >> would probably be the first meeting of May. >> First meeting of May.
>> I'm just Is that the 11th? >> Um the first meeting in May is >> second, >> right? Second Monday. >> It would be the 11th. Yes. And um when the before the budget is introduced, it's not a public document, just so everybody knows.
>> And the and the budget books aren't either. So the book the the information that you're going to get from the um CFO is not to be shared either. That's considered not a public document. >> What's the hard date on the state for
the adoption? >> Uh I think it's the end of April. So we will be missing the deadline. Any other questions related to this? Can we ask you a general question?
>> Not to put you on the spot, but you may know. Did the data drive um pilot payment get paid for February? Just curious. >> That I do not know. >> You don't know? >> Don't know. >> Okay. Is that what's the type of
document I would ask for if I want to follow up on this? >> Just ask for the pilot payment. >> I I don't know if there's >> it was just signed. >> Yeah. We just >> would the pilot be paid through the CFO or you go to the tax department just like
>> because it's not it's not tax. Um >> literally just signed. >> Yeah. And every year they have to do a an audit um which comes which comes to the CFO uh that reviews all the rentals, all the income and I think that's that's
how that stuff gets processed. Um but no there's no uh uh income that's coming in right now like you know they pay their rent and then you get that you know you get that share of that rents that monthly rental right I don't that from what I understand that's not how
>> I think I remember a payment of $170,000 or so was due upfront as part of the pilot agreement >> 170 >> separate from the sewer connection >> I would have to look into that. >> I think I think we're talking about year
year end. Um I think that's what we're we're >> pay according to our own tax schedule. So I would think that a payment would be due this February, right? With this we all paid our taxes February, correct?
>> There has to be an audit done. >> That has to be an audit done. There's a third party audit that gets done uh through the company and that report gets sent over to us. Okay. So, when does that get done? >> I think it's done yearly. >> Okay. So, when will that get done?
>> Next year. >> I don't hold me to that date. I I I'll get a date on when that that becomes due. >> So, we could possibly wait a year for that payment then if >> Good. Yeah. I said I don't want to I don't I don't want to misspe uh until I
>> What payment are we talking about? >> Their payment that they're supposed to >> the pilot payment. They're supposed to follow the same tax schedule in a payment than we do. Am I correct? >> As far as I know, >> we'll get you that information.
>> Yeah. They're supposed to follow the same way we pay our taxes. When that gentleman, I guess his name is Matt. That's what he said at the last meeting. >> But Sandy, you're referring to Theta Grove, right? The 55 and up building. >> Yes. The 55 and older. Yeah. >> Right. >> For the 55 and older building.
>> When was this signed, Marcy? I thought that council member Holmes was talking about the newest pilot that was just signed last week. >> No, I'm talking about 55 and over that was agreed to two years ago. >> Yeah, that >> buildings open CO's issued. So, it was
the first payment >> that was some the CO was what in January? Um >> well, we we'll we'll find out what that how that works. >> Yeah, find out when the first payment will be made. Thank you. I'll follow up with Can I follow up with
the CFO. >> You can follow up with me. It's >> how it works. >> I know, but a lot of times I don't get what I want. >> Well, >> so now leading to that, >> send an email to me and I will give you that date.
>> Okay. Um, also I'm been requesting an employee census because we're going to do the budget that's going to contain raises or we're going to be doing raises and setting a fee. We need to have a employee sentence. I don't even know how
many people work here. Do you guys know how many municipal employees there are? Anybody up here >> to the number? >> Yeah. >> Actual number? >> Yeah. >> I think it's about 299 or something. What? >> No. >> No. When I was here last,
>> I remember the question was asked two years ago and it was 95 >> here. How many employees we have? >> I mean, it's only natural that we have some kind of document. >> We gave you the payroll registry. >> No, you you gave me stuff. It didn't have a date on it. What you sent me was
absolutely no help at all. >> We gave you all the the payroll registry of every employee here. I gave you the >> I gave you the payroll registry. >> Well, I received just It had no names on it.
>> Didn't you send a copy that you had from when you were on the >> didn't have social security numbers and and uh >> you sent >> you sent me what you used last year? You said in the email. >> No, we gave you the latest payroll registry. >> Okay, let me take another look.
>> I'll retract that statement. But does it have the name and their salary? >> It actually had >> and the date of hire. >> It actually had council members having served like four or five years on it. >> Yeah. So it was >> So is it name, date, and salary? Date of
hire. Name and salary. >> I don't have the form in front of me, but I believe it it was the name. It was the title. I think the title, but the social security number and the >> I don't want taken out. Um >> I don't want that. >> I don't I don't have the registry. I didn't know this was going to be a topic
today, so I would have >> But Sandy, didn't you when you requested it, you had sent a copy of what you had from when you were on the council previously, >> right? >> And it didn't have social security number or anything on it. And I saw what she got back. It definitely was not what she asked for and it confused.
>> She was asking for an Excel spreadsheet with all the information >> but she had when she was on the council before. >> Yeah, we don't have that. Nobody nobody's sitting here up updating that that Excel spreadsheet. >> Well, we should because as employees go
up and down that needs to be >> I mean Sandy cumbersome of work to to make sure >> and payroll do it because they're the >> payroll we we again we run the registry on there and that's what you got >> Sandy on just to help you out a little bit on February 9th Marcy sent us the
payroll registry. >> Okay dated the payroll registry was dated 1326. Does it set up the name the title? I'll have to take a look at my phone. But that's what she said.
>> I know. I know I said that. Why can't the council direct the mayor to establish an Excel sheet providing this information? >> So, you're going to you're going to ask me to do data entry. >> Is this how you do Well, you just got a phone.
>> Oh, I did. >> If you got the payroll registry, that's that's >> Yeah, >> that's the information you got. You're asking me for a file that doesn't exist. >> Don't create a census. >> I don't I'm not going to create >> I'm going to give you what we have.
>> That's and then if you guys want to take out by all means I mean >> make one >> do that you want >> or when we ask questions to the CFO or to the BA it has to go through you. >> So I can't email >> the BA a question.
>> You can of course you can. But you just said before that it has to go through you >> part time. >> No, what what she asked about that one specific thing. So I I said you can email me and I was going to answer her question. >> I just wanted to make >> Yeah, it's Tina or I you know I prefer
that both of us are put on the email. Um >> I mean the thing is with an issue like this you're saying you would need to create a spreadsheet. I don't I I don't think I should have to do that. So >> yeah, but you know you're not the person who's professional to do it. You know,
like we have a VA >> who's got a certification and I would rather >> I would rather talk I'm sorry I'd rather talk to you about it. >> Uh in this form of government in this form of government uh it's it's supposed to go through me but said
>> you can you can funnel it through and I be more than happy to answer your questions. Can I ask I want to ask the the CFO the information that I've seen that's been requested is not so difficult. I mean basically it's just
accumulation on uh basic information on the individuals who work for the township. >> It is a I I did see the form. It is kind of >> knowing what I know about you know the uh uh Excel just a matter
of manipulating these things and you can manipulate the columns that are not going to be necessary convert it to an Excel probably do the whole thing within >> but >> that stuff is not in Excel right now that's what we're saying >> and there's no way of there's no way of
uh uh transposing or >> so there is an Excel spreadsheet that I can give but it doesn't have all the data like we don't keep all that data on the the higher dates and all that on Excel because it's all in it's all in
the um program you know what I mean in our ads and again that's not coming out in Excel that's the reports that we that were sent to you um can I give you a listing in Excel of just the list of employees that I could do >> good okay
>> and put their position and I'll match it up to that Suppose we were to ask for current salary and um you know uh people that you know who how many years they're working or something like that.
>> That's you know Pat that's a lot. >> Is that an official >> I could probably do salary but as far as when they started when anything else I could probably do as far as name title and salary that's what I would have in Excel. anything else >> is is Excel spreadsheet your work
product >> part of it yes that's why I'm saying that stuff I >> so it's not an official >> but yeah >> do you have an official document that would answer their question that with an >> all that what I'm talking about is my work product >> okay so is it an is it from admins that
you're generating the this document that was sent >> oh the the that document that was sent was sent out of uh ADF which is the payroll >> okay that's a payway so that's really the official document That's the official document. >> If you were to use that deleting certain
columns that you feel are not necessary, >> on the ads I cannot delete columns. It's it's a PDF they send us, >> but you can make the adjustments on the PDF. No,
>> you know it. Send me the name of the employee and their title and I will have to take the information off of that and make >> spreadsheet. Right. I don't have that file in front of me. Do you is that title in there? >> No. >> It was it was the payroll log from our
payroll company. >> Notice I think in in the payroll in that log what you're looking at it's broken down by department. If that one or what? >> Uh, well, it has a department number on. >> Oh, so you don't have >> on the top like it has department 745. No idea.
>> It doesn't say what it is. Okay. >> It doesn't have their position on it. Has the person's name has either if they're salaried or hourly. It does have their hire date on it. Has their gross and adjusted pay on it. And it basically
gives um a breakdown of their earnings and deductions. on it. >> Okay, I'll look into it. >> You may get some help if you want to call the board of ed. They have two do one is the payroll like we just
discussed. They have a thing called the position control roster. That's the document that was manipulated about five years ago and it shows a lot of information. >> But again, I >> they may have the format. They may just send you the format and it could be
done. It's not a matter of formatting. I can I know Excel well enough. It's just a matter of sitting there and having to transpose everything over. >> That's got it. Any other questions for the CFO? >> No. Thank you very much.
>> No problem. >> Item for discussion. Okay. Resolution 26100. This uh brought up in the previous meeting and it was amended authorizing
signatures on township checks pursuant to New Jersey SA 48-5-16. Do I need a motion to open that discussion? It's already on. So I believe Sandy, you uh >> got a second. >> You requested this. >> Okay. So the reason I brought this back
was after we approved this I did a lot of thinking about it and it still didn't sit right. As you know on that day the last meeting I thought the CFO needs to sign every check and every deposit they have to be the person and along with one
other. So I did a little digging because it just didn't sit right with me. So what I found was many towns have the CFO sign off on everything. I see the county has their CFO/treasurer
sign off on every check and deposit. I saw many towns. I went to the League of Municipalities. They actually recommend several people being the signature on each check. Um I had a riskmanagement presentation on the
league which I watched and they suggest several people. So I would like to bring back that the checks be signed by the CFO and one additional person.
And again a lot of towns I saw it was the CFO and three additional people. So we're even being light with just having two. Um, so I'd like your consideration to adopt this. >> Okay. So, currently there's four
authorized people, two of whom have to sign, right? If you're out, then two of the other three would be able to sign. >> So, again, I spoke to the auditors on this. I did see this was on the agenda. Um
a lot of towns, yes, the CFO does sign and CFO is able to sign. Um it's just a good practice that it's um because the checks are coming out of my office that it's good that I don't sign every check just like not the same
people should always sign uh the same check like same people saying checks. It should rotate around. It's just a good uh what's called segregation of duties. Um, it's just more eyes are on it. So before the checks are cut, I see the
check run and I do approve the check run. So whether I'm signing the check or not, before the checks even become a check, I am looking at all the checks. So I am already looking at them, right? >> And signing them. I'm signing off on the
actual check register. >> But are you signing a check? >> Am I signing the check? Well, are you part of the signature that yours would be on every one of them? >> So, again, I think it would be good practice in speaking to the auditors. We
both just feel that um yes, I'm a signature on a check, but that we have four, it's good that they just don't always be signed by the same people. >> All right. So, why don't we put three people on you and two other people, >> but to make one person mandatory that
they have to sign that causes a problem. Well, other towns do it, and I think you're pretty bright. You could discover a way to make this happen. Let me ask you, and if not, we'll have to address it at another. >> Other towns I know that I worked in um
have the signature preprinted on the checks. >> Did you sign in your other check in your >> check was preprinted? My signature was on when the checks got run. Here you guys have live checks, live signatures. That's what makes it a difference, too.
Can I ask a question? Um, what do you do in a situation where, God forbid, she gets sick for a couple of weeks or she decides she wants to, let me finish. Let me finish. If she decides she's going to go to Europe for two weeks, what do we do?
>> We would have to make other plans. The county has run into that. >> I'm sure something could be done. >> Can I ask another question? Why is >> it's good practice. It's best practice. It's good practice to make sure that government continues to run to make sure
we have several people. Now, if we just had one or two people as the only people, then I yeah, I agree with make let's make this thing and add people that can sign, but I don't know what what is triggering this uh that we must make it mandatory that one person
>> because a lot of towns do it and it's best practice and like I said, I did a lot of research on this and they recommend and several people signing. Again, we're being light. I've even found towns that five people have to sign off on everything.
It's best practice and it's good accountability. She holds the license. She's not going to let anything happen. In my profession, I sign off for people all the time that don't have a license only because I'm the person that does. >> But she good practice. No one has died
waiting for a signature. So, I think you can run business. um said would she >> again we can always discuss it and this is a policy we should adopt. >> He sees everything before those checks even get get done. >> I don't know. I just make a motion that
we adopt this resolution and give it a try. Anybody got >> Do we have a second? >> I'll second it. >> No comments. >> I don't think this is a time to to do this. >> This is on discussion, >> right? They're in discussion. I think
needs to be put on the agenda >> within the agenda in order to do it. >> I want to say I just want to caution I want to caution the council. Same thing when you guys kept back on that list of of vendors that caused the situation. This can cause a same serious situation
again. So I I can understand something triggered this that we must make sure that she does. But this just came out of thin air that all of a sudden we have to mandatory make someone >> because we're looking at best practice and actually I'm >> best practices to have several people
and the attorney even explained it that he's got three people in his office that that can sign just in case he's out or away. You got to make sure you can still govern. That's what I cannot wrap my head around is why is this such a
massive problem? Look back. It's like >> that's what I like to know. >> But what? Well, that's what I'm >> What we were doing was adding the new CFO to the >> Let me finish because I have a comment. >> Why is it if in another town you had the name preprinted on the check? Why can't
we just do that or have it e signed if she's not there? I I I don't understand why this is something that is causing such an uproar. It's a signature on a check. >> Why are we preprinting? I mean, that's like me having a rubber stamp, you know, with my signature. It's a stamp that has
a license behind it and the council would be comfortable with it. It's not like we're asking to rebuild the municipal building. I can't figure out why it's >> I feel more comfortable with a live signature than pre-print the check. >> Exactly. >> Well, that's true, too. I agree there. I mean, so I
>> that's why there's there's five of us, but I feel if you have an e signature or a stamp with a license behind it and then two live signatures or then a live signature, it accomplishes the same thing. And if it's something we're talking about, we're allowed to talk about it. It's within our authority as
the council. It's something a council member, the vice president brought up. >> It's a valid point. And I I just I can't understand why it becomes so heated or so like >> it's not heated. I'm just >> I know >> I'm just cautioning because I don't need
to have another emergency council meeting to to uh to make sure that government >> I don't I cannot imagine how that could cause an emergency council meeting. >> You didn't think that the the list of vendors was going to be an emergency either, but that that didn't turn out. >> That's changing too. Gonna look at that
again, but go ahead. Yeah. Can I >> You guys want to just make one person sign? I mean, by all means, go right ahead, guys. But but I'm just I'm just cautioning. No, >> guys. That's my job to caution you guys that that is not best practice is to
have a mandatory one signature on there along with someone else. I'm just saying best practice, even the the League of Municipalities has suggested that there's several. Okay. Um and I would ask that you take that recommendation. That's it. Let's put four people on and
then all four of you sign. >> Can I ask a question here? >> Sure. Go ahead. >> Can you I I think what ties into this too is the approval process of Rex and POS. So, can you walk through the process that happens from the time the
department head wants something and all the way through to when the check? >> Not a problem. >> So, department head wants something, they have to get a a quote ahead of time. Once they get the quote, depending on let's we'll just assume for this purposes it's under any type of needing
>> um extra uh three quotes or a bid or whatever. So, we'll just go with a basic quote. Uh they're purchasing some for $300. They put it into the requisition system. Um then the department head has to approve it. Then after the department head, it goes to the business
administrator. Then she has to approve it. Then it goes to the QPA. he has to approve it. Then it comes to me to certify the funds. At that point, I'm certifying the funds that we have the funds to pay for that. Then the the item
comes in uh the department head says we received it. Now it goes for to be pro uh to be paid. Once it gets paid, we get the finance gets that it's been received. So now we can pay it. the uh uh the payroll um not payroll the
accounts payable person goes in marks it ready to be paid approves it it goes onto a check run then before the checks get printed the check run gets printed out and then I look at it and then what I do is I see all the checks that are going to be cut and then I give it the
approval and then the checks get cut >> so >> they go for signature >> so in reality there is no check that that's cut unless it goes through that process. >> Correct. >> So >> now, if I'm not here, it may have to be approved by um someone else in my
office, but again, that's cuz I'm like out on vacation or something, whatever. But if I'm here and I I am the one that approved. >> So would you say that the process that it goes through before the check is more of an approval process than the check
being written and cut? Because at that point, if I wasn't comfortable with something, I wouldn't let the check even be run. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Not a problem. >> Why don't you appoint an alternate when you're not here and your design then?
And that person will be responsible >> for what? Signing the checks. >> Mhm. >> That's the whole purpose of >> if your if your signatures needed remains and you're not here. >> And you're not here. >> You're gone for two weeks. No one knows. That's why we have that's why you have three other people,
>> right? There are four. >> And we thought sewer payments would get paid, too. So everything we could argue this forever and I'm just give it a try. If it doesn't work, we can always reassess, but I'm making a motion to adopt this.
>> Oh, it's a discussion item. >> It's a discussion item. So, what we're going to do is we'll put this on the agenda for the next meeting. >> Vote on this today. on the agenda. I think >> it's not on the agenda. >> It's not on the agenda and I think we
should >> this will be on the agenda. Everybody will have two weeks to uh consider give some thought to it and I was just on a personal basis. I'm swaying towards more now of making it because I believe our
CFO has inherited a lot of things that she didn't expect and uh you're digging out of some things and this can just make it go faster. >> If I could just make the comment that um if I me signing every check
I I don't think it's going to change any like I said I'm still going to do so I I just don't know and again I'm just trying to be honest here. Um, if I do look at them, like I said, if I see an invoice that I I'm questioning, I won't let the check be run. So, that's not going to change, and I'm just saying it
again, you guys make your decision however you want to make it, but it's not going to change the fact that because I signed it, it made it any different because I would have pulled it regardless beforehand. And it's just a matter of um, again, during budget time, I'm crazy. Like, you know what I mean?
If I'm required to sign, again, it's just something else. You know, there are busy times for all of us. and mandated to be definitely me. I mean, I'll do it if I have to, you know, definitely I'll do whatever I have to do, but just want to point out the fact that before it
came to a check, I would have picked anything off that would have I don't um I'm just trying to make it feel better like that. I do look at them. >> Okay. That'll be on the next agenda for a vote. Next up, mayor comments
uh I think it was on February 18th till the 20th. I I just want to talk a little off the cuff here. um Vernon Township uh the fire department, police department uh and I don't want to go into a lot of
details. Um uh was called into a structure fire. Unfortunately, uh there was someone who who was uh found found deceased uh at that time along with the finger dog. Um and I just want to just
give just just tell you what kind of first off everyone the fire department and police department have really worked uh extremely well together and again the chief is has asked me to to thank the fire department for for their level of
work but and I just want to tell you a little something maybe a lot of people don't know what really goes on sometimes behind the scenes um talking with the chief about this this fire and then having to, you know, was a young young man. He's like in his mid-4s,
uh, who was found. Um, the level of work that they put in to assure that all the family has been contacted. Um, I believe he had a a child in in another school outside the district to contact that
school just to give them the heads up that, you know, someone's father has passed. It's it's almost like like it's one big family in in Vernon. Um and just the level of work and really kudos to the police department really for for taking that initiative. Just go and just
make sure that the family doesn't find out through Facebook or some other means that their loved one has passed. Um just just the level of work that goes into it. And I I come from New York City where I don't none of that stuff really. I think they probably would just find one member and that would just be the end of it. Um but just saying the the
level of of work that they go in to assure that the family is is is contacted respectfully um is is unbelievable. So I want thank you for the to just and just having that respect
for for the members of our community. Moving on. Um March 7th I will be at the Jefferson High School um at a rally for the Highlands Impact Impact Now rally at 1 p.m. Uh I encourage everyone to to
come and join. Um that uh again we're we're trying to send a message to Trend that we we hoping to get some kind of more relief um because of being impacted in the
islands. So again, uh that's March 7th at Jefferson High School. March 14th is the puzzle hustle um and library cleanout salon. And then on March 28th is the egg hunt at Maple Range. And one more thing for
the record, uh no Labbert has withdrawn his application from the AU. Um turns out he did that probably about a month ago. Uh it is unfortunate um that the rest of the governing body did not have that application. I think what you lost was
uh someone with a wealth of knowledge who has over 25 apartment complexes throughout the state of New Jersey who has worked with many different sewer uh companies on a lot of the stuff they do.
um and I think he would have brought a lot to the table and it's unfortunate that that application was left from the rest of the of the governing body to address and to look at. So um so it's a loss and uh I guess the MUA wants to
keep the uh the status quo in I guess but um it's unfortunate. So, I'm hoping that uh there's some changes coming down the pipe and uh I'll be working with the NUA uh try to help make those changes. And that's all for my comments.
>> Thank you. Next up is public comment. Only items that are on the agenda and we will adhere to the three minute uh time limit. I tried to be liberal the last time and it went way over on the three minutes and the five minutes. So, we're going to go for the 3 minutes and then
at the end on the open session is five. So, if anybody has any comments, please come up, identify yourself and uh go to it. Items on the agenda. >> We have to open >> make a motion to open to the public. >> Second.
>> Second. Second. Second. Uh >> all favor. >> A roll call. >> Council member Cantino. >> Yes. Council member Ols. >> Yes. >> Council member Rudo.
>> He's not. >> Council member Sparta. >> Yes. >> Council president. >> Yes. >> This one. >> Yeah. I guess so. >> Y. >> Good evening. Dorian Edwards.
Welcome, new CFO. I wish you the best of love luck. Um, I want to just mention something. And I think this does apply to what we were speaking about this evening and that I am disappointed that there was no further information offered
by the mayor or that our new CFO was not advised of the hot topic in town about that building 55 plus should have known excuse me that what was the status of if the taxes were due and how much and where they received. So that's my
comment. Thank you. discussion. >> My name is Sean Clark and I live up in Barry Lakes. Hello everybody. Uh I don't have a four-year degree from college. I'm not qualified to be a CFO, but I take PDF
flowcharts on a piece of paper. I scan it. I put it into AI and it comes on out on Excel. Okay. If I'm able to do this, I have a really hard time believing that our staff cannot do this. And if they cannot do it, we have to rethink who we
have running that help doing this stuff. All right? You can't take a PDF and put it on an Excel spreadsheet. We're in serious trouble. I do it all day long. Okay? You're in serious trouble if you can't take a PDF and put it on an Excel spreadsheet and delete a couple of
columns. It's ridiculous. Okay. Also, we are constantly plagued with questions being asked and people not being ready to answer them. If somebody who works for this municipality gets an email from a town council member, they better show up at the meeting with the
documentation. They should have boxes with them so that anything you guys want to know, they know. All right. Cracking the whip. Raising the expectation of performance is what we need around here. We're falling short. Okay, that's all I
have to say. Thank you very much. Good evening. Peg Dassi Glenwood. I stand here tonight to address the statutory procedures that fault in this town on a regular basis. I agree with both
Dorene and I'm sorry I don't remember his name. Uh >> why aren't questions answered? They why aren't they coming here prepared? That's their profession. They should know the answers. It's ridiculous. You
know, we are taxpayers and we have the right to know these details. you as the council have more of an important right to ask them and get answers. How can you make intelligent
decisions for this township when they come continually unprepared? It's it's unacceptable. Between now and then, we have one meeting left now because they're not going to announce to you the budget until the
23rd of March. And by the 31st, you have to look at it, analyze it, and present it. Unacceptable. By the 30th of April, you have to make a vote on that budget. There's only two
meetings in there. You're denied the right to meet any department head, which, by the way, mayor, was always done prior to your becoming mayor. I've sat on this council and we discussed
with every department head their budget. So the fact that it's not being allowed now is a detriment to you to be able to make decisions.
Sorry, I'm going back to my notes. When budgets are rushed, mistakes are made and the taxpayers pay the price. I have to ask why was the deadline of
March of I'm sorry, February 27th missed? because I have been privy to the fact that the budget was prepared long ago and ready to be introduced before our CF previous CFO left.
We need a budget on the table tonight for you to be able to do your job correctly. This is unfair to you and they're putting you between a rock and a hard place. and is that if you don't
have an approval by the end of April, each one of you is going to be fined $25 a day and you're now down to a very, very small amount of time to make an
intelligent decision for the taxpayers of Vernon. I find this stressful. I find it disgraceful and I think you need to start putting limits to what you
tolerate from the administration. Thank you. >> And and just for the record, we did have a public um department meeting and so that was advertised. >> Excuse me. >> Comments, Mr. Mr. Mayor. No, no comments
at this time. That was just a public comment. That's I'm not interrupting the public comment, but I just want to state the fact to react to it. >> Yeah, but I it ought to be shown told how the council was notified in the legal notices.
>> Good evening, Annne Larson from Glenwood. I just have one very very simple request and thank you for bringing up about the about the checks and being paid and so forth. You know, having worked in a number of places and the town was also the victim of a crime, why don't we just ask for a receiving
report of some sort that we know someone says they saw this product received. Okay, many of us have histories of prior companies where we've seen the deceit that goes on. People spending millions of dollars on products that don't exist because it's a fake company. I mean,
it's a very simple thing. You received this package or bill of lighting, whatever. Attach it. then you know it was it was the request went through it was authorized and here's the receipt that it was received before the check is paid. Very simple. Thank you.
Look, I'm just going to make one brief comment. Understood the CFO to say that she didn't know if the MUA payment had been made or not. A yes or no, I could have understood, but I don't know. Seems highly unusual.
I've asked several council members about this topic and they don't seem to know the answers either. I think it's time we all get a bit more inquisitive. our payments made to the MUA, our MUA payments made. I understand we do have a
letter from the MUA dated January 27th saying that there'sund excuse me, $220,000 owed for the connection fee. And that letter stated that it was due on the 4th
of February. Now, here we are in March. And the question was asked, has that been paid? The answer given was I don't know. I find that highly unacceptable. I hope this council will have a discussion tonight and get some answers as to how
the MUA operates. One time they're separate. Other times they're co-mingled. Previous on more than one occasion said, "Well, the money just goes into one big bucket and then I put it where it needs to go." Highly unusual. They're supposed to have their own budget. The town's supposed to have
a budget. We had the same CFO doing both jobs. Now we don't. But cos were issued by this town. And I'll I'll I'll leave that to the end because it's not on the agenda. The main point I wanted to make is I
find it very troubling. And I think you guys should too that your CFO, whether she's been here a week or a month, doesn't know if a $220,000 bill has been paid that was due on the 4th of February. Thanks, Bill. Any
others? Okay. Close the uh >> I'll make a motion to close. >> Motion. Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Next is review of the bills list. Before you talk about, may I ask the CFO
question? Very easy question. So, everything I've noticed on the bills list, everything has the same date on it. Is that the date that it's paid? >> Yeah.
>> Like if you go down the bills list, you'll see 211 21. >> So 64. the number in front of it is a check number and the date at the date after is the uh date of the check >> is the date of the check. >> So I see a lot of I mean since I've been
looking at them it seems like there's like one day you sign all the checks and send everything out. That that may be correct. I mean I've looked at the bills list in the past. It's always been like one day a whole bunch of them are done.
>> Right. So, so when so we do a bill run. So that's what we were that's I guess what I was trying to explain to you before. So this is a much smaller version of it, but you know it could be pages. So before this got run with the check numbers on it, I get this without the check numbers on it and
that's what I look at. They say these are all the checks we are going to run >> on that. >> That's what I look at. Then once I give it the okay, then they run the checks. And this is the check register which has the check date and the check number on it. >> Okay. But it seems like it's all in one day then.
>> Oh, yeah. No. Yes. Right. We don't do a check today, check tomorrow, 3 to three. No, we do them in runs. >> Right. So signing the checks would be easier because they're all in one day. Just saying. Right.
>> Okay. Just want to make sure I understood that. >> Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. >> Any other comments on the bills list? >> No, I had a couple. So, I notice once again goes back to the MUA and the town.
So, here's a check for $815,749 for the first quarter sewer usage fees. So, that's the MUA, but it's a it's a check on our our our account, right? But that's the Sussex County MUA. That's not
our MUA. That's Schuma and uh in Lafayette. >> Yeah. But what Bill's saying is it's coming from our register. It's not coming from the MUA register. >> On that bill, that's the bill. That's the bill that we um
on that bill. >> I have a look the actual bill. So what it appears is it's not I'm not criticizing anything. I'm just trying to get a clarification. So we're paying 815,000 and most instances up here whenever it
comes to the MUA does this, the town does that and it's separate. Well, it's not totally separate. We're we're paying some bills out of our checking account to cover the MUA costs that the MUA incurs or generates.
>> That that was the point on that. Okay. >> Secondly, on 65454, just for the public's clarification, there's a check for 307,882 that went to the county library tax for the first quarter. So, I hope you're
using the library. It's cost you a million2 per year and uh big expense. And then the board of ed is on there for $2 million as well, which they get 60% of the taxes. So, it's just an overview
of where the money goes. That that's my whole point. Anybody else on the bills list? Seeing no other comments. May I have a motion to approve the February 9th, 2026 executive session minutes?
>> Regular meeting. regular meeting. >> It's still >> uh so moved. >> Second. >> Uh roll call. >> Council member Pinskino. >> Yes. >> Council member, >> yes. >> Council member,
>> yes. >> Yes. >> President Higgins. >> Yes. >> Next is a consent agenda. And there's one, two, three. Looks like there's nine different uh
resolutions to uh speak about instead of anybody here to pull out any of those and have a separate discussion on it. >> Yes. 108. >> 108. Any others? You had a question on the uh road. Is that >> the one I pulled out? Yeah. with the
change order. >> Okay. So, let's uh have a discussion on uh 26. >> Got to make move it to the fourth. >> Okay. >> Motion. >> Have a motion to uh move the discussion
on 26108 for discussion. >> Have a motion. >> Yes. Motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? All right. >> So, what I wanted to ask, was this um
change order paid already in full? That was my question. Um so, you guys must have read the supporting document. Is that what Forest Fner is indicating? This was a $30,000 increase.
Yeah. amount excuse me 275 was added on the whole contract I see was supposed to be 4969 and then there was an increase they had a extra three extra items
resulting in an increased total of 124.392 so they added something and price is higher so my question is was the state ready I don't know. Did you read the um
thing saying it's paid in full for the above? So, I'm assuming it was paid and I believe that's the wrong sequence of order. I mean, especially with something that high, you would think you would come to the council again to approve that. That's a big difference. That was
a big upcharge. And so then my other comment was is who wrote this? Must be one of us up here or somewhere >> resolution because it really should say in there why. I mean you can't figure out what the upcharge is for. It's just
an increase. >> The up charges are for increase uh an increase in the footage of uh guardrails. >> Yeah, that's all in. So in item eight, removal of beam and garage door rail post, the original contract amount was
1,895 ft. The adjusted quantity was 2514 1/2 ft. >> Yeah. So somebody miscalculated there, but it should be spelled out in here for the public. I mean, they're spending another $29,000 on it. The public should
be able to read what's been changed in the resolution. I mean, there's a lot of stuff on here. this a lot of this stuff changes um but when it comes to our roads um sometimes like fuel prices really change that that difference so
sometimes we'll we'll get credit back or sometimes we have to pay more so that's that's why we we see these uh these adjustments sometimes >> but this is was for not tar and gravel and grit this is >> strictly guard rails
>> what was it >> yeah so I mean It's a big difference here. And will we ever use them again because they were obviously not on the mark? And is this one of those vendors? >> Well, this this wasn't page yet. So,
this is >> this is what >> this was not page yet. This is why this is before. >> All right. Because it says here that it was it's saying this letter serves as certification that all subcontracctors and material supplies have been paid in
full for the above project. So, I'm assuming that was paid. Now, I I don't know if I'm wrong, but that's what the letter says, but I'm just saying that should have came back to the council for that big of a change order. That's a lot of money.
No, just saying. And is this a vendor that's on our approved vendor list for the QPA? Anybody know offhand? >> Yes, >> it is. Yes. Was that a yes? >> Anytime we any vendor uh is is on the
approved list. >> Don't call like you know Joy's. >> Okay. Yeah. I'll check the list. I >> This was Morris County Co-op. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it was not paid yet. So the vendor was paid, but we did not pay the vendor yet.
>> The vendor was paid. Who was the vendor paid by if we didn't pay the vendor? I don't know. Sound to me like that letter said it's all paid. But whatever. I mean, it's done. It's done. No sense arguing, but just going
forward. It would be nice if it was spelled out in the resolution that I didn't have to go through all this and try to figure it out. And looks like it's been paid, but I don't know. And that maybe we should reevaluate that
vendor. And well, like I said, we'll be bringing that back with some changes. >> Does the public get the backup? >> Yes, >> they do. So, >> um, >> yeah, but it should be spelled out. I mean, >> it is
>> not in the resolution. >> Did you see this >> in the backup? But I'm saying in the resolution, it should spell what what happened. Whereas therefore, I mean, just a few extra sentences that they needed more railing or whatever. People shouldn't
have to be scrutinizing every piece of paper to figure it out. I mean, we should because that's our job, but the public shouldn't have to. >> That's all I >> Okay. No, good point.
But that should come back. It's something that big should come back to the council. >> Okay. No other question any other resolution. Okay. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I'm okay. >> Okay. I have a motion to approve the consent agenda.
>> Resolution number 26 101 through >> 26 109 >> 109 >> including 108. Correct me? >> Yes. Have >> a motion. Some moved. Second. Second. >> Roll call. >> Council member Canino? >> Yes.
>> Member Ols? >> Yes. >> Council member Rudo? Yes. Council >> member Sparta. Yes. >> Council President Higgins. >> Yes. Motion carries. Okay, next is public comment limited to five minutes on any topic. Please note the comments limit of five minutes.
Anyone wishing to speak must state their name. Do I have a motion to go into open public comment? >> Moved a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> Any opposed? We're open to the public. >> Is it possible to sit down to these mics? >> Uh, you're not seeing on the TV. That's the only >> microphones here um can be seen on Zoom. >> Can I sit >> over here? >> Right here. >> Here, sir.
>> Can I pull your that? Okay. Just so I can read through the computer if you don't mind. Everyone hear me? Okay. >> No. How about now? >> The light's on. But you want to try this
on. >> Yeah, that one seems to be working. >> Just for the record, we are okay. Okay, I think I'm good now. There you >> Yep. >> Uh, good evening. My name is Kirk Stevens, although I think we all know that at this point, but I am your local
farmer. Uh, normally I keep to myself, and truth be told, I would rather not be here confronting you all. I'd rather be home playing with my young child. Uh, however, I made a commitment to the thousands of petition signers that I would try and be their voice. Um, when I
appeared before you all at the last council session, I spoke about the importance of communication. Yet, the petitioners and I have not heard anything back from you. Um, I recently asked the mayor both in person and via email for time to sit
down and talk about potential paths forward and I was more or less told no. Um he reaffirmed his view that myself and the other petitioners are misinformed and he didn't seem that interested in pursuing resolution.
So so much for one big family. Um perhaps I was just naive in thinking that my mere words would sway you all into a dialogue. Or perhaps I underestimated the extent to which the township's attorney can censor important township dialogue. Um,
I would like to reiterate that the thousands of signers of this petition are not some fringe group binging on Facebook misinformation just needing a bit of education. Again, I've spoken to people of all backgrounds from veterans, firemen, EMT, teachers, lawyers,
engineers, business owners, young, old, left, right, gay, straight, Jewish, Christian, black and white. I mean, what was remarkable to me was how in such a polarizing world there could be so much agreement. Um, the citizens have spoken.
They do not want subsidized high density residential development. And I'm still at a loss of words for how the mayor and council can ignore the will of the people and in my view misconrue the law to avoid and circumvent the checks and
balances that this form of government are supposed to honor. This petition didn't seek to stop the execution of existing law or policy so-called administrative acts. It sought to stop completely new action for which there is no law or agreement so-called
legislative acts. As I see it, we have two path before us. One is litigation and you know that's that's not a threat. It's just an observation of a potential path. And another potential path is that of collaborating on a solution that
delivers a compromise on future development. Keyword future. There is a path where we can leave the whole Omega Drive thing alone so long as we can come to some reasonable and legal terms to govern future residential pilots.
You know what I've heard from the community is that they are comfortable incentivizing commercial and industrial projects that bring revenue and jobs without using school resources. But what I also heard is that they're not comfortable with pilots on residential projects.
Some are comfortable with up to 5 years. Right or wrong, the community is skeptical that school costs can be fully absorbed within existing budgets regardless of whether the state allows it. At the last meeting, attorney Jessup, I believe, and I'm going to paraphrase,
you know, he said that the existing pilot ordinance on our books was written incorrectly and is not enforceable. And to me, and even though it was more so related to commercial industrial, to me, that sounded like a pretty good reason to update our codes anyhow and just take this as an opportunity to incorporate
feedback from the community. And really, this would signal to township citizens that our government still works and that their voices still matter. Um, that being said, if you don't support this, you know, we can just execute a new petition that
pursues the initiative process whereby we can just introduce our own residential pilot ordinance. And to our new CFO, you may need to provision budget for a special vote. Um, again, I take no pleasure in this dialogue. Um, I prefer a collaborative route. Um, but I
would just really ask that the council please give me a very simple yes or no whether you're willing to support the co-creation of res residential pilot ordinance because silence or avoidance really just sends the wrong message and and makes things worse.
Please give me a yes or no at at the end. Thank you. Any others? Pick and choose. Recently, our petition regarding ordinance 2517 was denied
because the clerk ruled that the pilot agreements are in administrative beyond the reach of a voter referendum. If the public is legally barred from voting on these 30-year deals, then the
council has a heightened moral and fiduciary duty to protect us. Right now, the school district, which makes up the largest portion of our tax bill, gets nothing from these pilot programs.
I am here to propose that Vernon joins the growing number of New Jersey towns that proactively share pilot revenue with the BOA. I'm asking this council to introduce an
ordinance that mandates a 30% revenue share for our schools and all future pilot agreements. Don't let the state force us with bill S1807
which is being looked at I believe on the 5th of March. Let's show the taxpayers that this council values the education and fair taxation as much as it values redevelopment.
Will the council commit tonight to forming a subcommittee to look at the mandatory school sharing policy? I can't get a commitment. Nobody is willing to step forward.
That's a shame. You should all be ashamed of yourself. Anyone else? Once again, this is Sean Clark and I live up in Barry Lakes. If if you guys don't haven't noticed, when I get up here, I'm a nervous wreck. Okay? I was
in a uh a town council meeting, not town council, a committee meeting. It was either MUA or it was another one. And they took calls online. Now, I know the town council used to do that. Okay. I was very, very happy when I could write
an email calmly during the day, send it over to the clerk, and the clerk read my email. I slept better at night, and I wasn't so nervous. All right. Uh we should go back to that. If there's a committee in this town that is still taking call-in questions and answers,
why aren't you? I need it. I'm handicapped. I need it. Okay. We have other citizens who cannot get here because of age or handicapped. They need it. Okay. If they I I was shocked that this committee took call in
people. Okay. And you guys don't. That's a problem. All right. You need to fix it. as far as the pilot contract goes. Okay. Uh the pilot the contractor who did the pilot owns three or four more properties
in town. Has anybody contacted the land use board and said stop. Do not allow anybody to submit paperwork or generate expenses with the town for for pilot programs. We want to look at the pilot program first. Okay? Because years over
the years, we've been told, "Oh, we can't reject them now. They've already spent a lot of money. They're going to sue us. We have to approve this because if we if we reject it now, we're going to get sued." Okay. Pilot contractor owns four more, three
or four more properties in town. What are they doing with them? What's the plan? Okay. I believe the plan is to have more pilots. And if you don't take proactive action, you're gonna end up approving more pilots because if not, you're gonna get sued. All right, talking about getting sued. All right, I
sit here very politely and I try to listen and once in a while I raise my hand, but you guys have got an attorney who speaks up and represents you against citizens. All right? So, I'm here and
I'm asking for something. Every single legal issue in the in in America has two sides. And if one side has an attorney, the other side should have an attorney. If the taxpayers are paying for you guys to have legal representation at on this
council here, there ought to be an attorney in in the audience for the citizens because I'm not an attorney either. So, I don't know what's right and what's wrong and I don't trust one individual to tell me. So if you have legal representation that the taxpayers
are paying for, the taxpayers should have legal representation. All right. Going to try to move on to the next one. Okay. So the question is, and maybe you can answer it before we all go home or maybe you can think about it. Has anybody told has anybody told the town
use board not to entertain any more pilots until you have a chance to review it and decide? All right. We spoke about call in and email. Okay, schools. Okay, let's talk about schools for a minute and I'm three and a half minutes right
now. Okay, schools. If our if our library is costing us $1.2 million, if you haven't been to the high school, this high school main entrance, once you walk in the high school main entrance, there's a wall of doors that give you access to the rest of the high school.
And there's a flight of stairs that go up right into the high school library. Okay, I want to save money. I want to reduce the budget. And if the only way I can do it is by shutting down the public library and move everything to the high school and have the high school make
that space available to the citizens, let's consolidate. All right, there's a private entrance into the high school. There's theoretically it could work. So save me a million dollars and start thinking about that one. Okay, going to
try to put them away from up there. Okay. Early 2025, I don't know when it was. It was either February or March, I communicated with the mayor and I said to the mayor, "Well, you know, your
budget got passed. Let's start working on 2025 budget." And he misunderstood what I said. He responded and I dropped it. Okay? Because I didn't want to go tit fortat with the mayor. Need to work on 2027.
Look at look at where we are right now. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing that the c that the organization, the administration that my taxes pay for can't get a budget done on time. They had all year. I mentioned it to the mayor in February or March of last year
and he blew me off with some misunder understanding. Get to work on it now. Get to work on it now so we can get it done on time and we're not under pressure. And my five minutes are up. So, thank you very much, Mr. Attorney. Thank you.
Anyone else? >> Hi, Steve Delop. Again, I just want to touch on the MUA. I think the council really needs to find some way to get to the bottom of what's going on with the MUA. Sometimes they're autonomous, sometimes they're not. go to the MUA, they tell you to go
see the council. You come to the council, they can't answer the questions, they send you back to the MUA. It's really unacceptable. A lot of postings on Facebook blaming Miss Bright for having issued the CO for
the plus 55 theta drive. I know that's not the MUA does not issue COS. The township issues CO. It's the responsibility of the mayor, the business administrator, and the building department to see that those things are
done and done properly. There's been a CO issued on that building. They've moved into that building. They're generating the sewage and they haven't paid their connection fee. Not only the connection fee to Skuma, but the connection fee to Vernon.
And there seems to be a real lack of curiosity as to what the status is of that. I know the mayor did a little fireside chat here a couple weeks ago and his comments were really lacking. It was a was a clarical error. It was a
misunderstanding between a couple of employees. Now that's gone. You can't even go back and review his comments on that. I've asked several council members, who do the MUA users pay? Well, we're not sure. Do they pay it to
the MUA? Do they pay it to the township? What we believe it's paid to the MUA? I know there was correspondence from Denell that Denell received stamp the 18th, dated the 20th, and then not stamped by the finance
department till the following month. Miss Bright claims that the mayor gave it to her the night of the MUA meeting, which was almost a month after the letter was dated. So now she writes a memo saying that she's instructing
the payment to be made by the new CFO, but before the payment can be made, money has to be transferred to make sure that there's enough in the account to cover it. Either they're separate or they're not separate. And if they are separate, then everything should be separate. If
they're not separate, then our CFO should probably have some more involvement in this. I don't know what's happened. I read a lot. I don't comment because, you know, some of it's true, some of it may not be true. But I have seen letters
that specifically state that the MUA build Vernon for $220,000 to cover the connection fee and said that was due on the 4th of February. And if it's not paid, it will incur interest and it will incur legal fees.
And nobody seems to be too curious about what's going on with that. Our CFO can't even tell if it if it's been paid. And if it hasn't been paid, it's now a month overdue. This has got to change. I hope the council will really
drill down on this and find out what the real situation is and take steps to put a stop to it. One of the one of the excuses, excuse me, one of the explanations was is, well, we've never really done one of these before, which I found ludicrous. Doesn't matter if you're issuing a CO on a swimming pool,
a three-bedroom apartment, or a 500 unit apartment. It's the same procedure. You should have a checklist. Have they paid this fee? Have they paid that fee? Did they do their connection fees? And no CO should be issued until such time as all
those boxes are checked. Now, someone said that, well, the CFO of the MUA instructed the township to do it. She has doesn't have that authority. I don't even know that she would do that. But there does seem to be a lack of curiosity on this council's part to find
out about it. And I hope that you will press the mayor for answers because ultimately it falls on the mayor because that's where the CEO was issued. It was not issued by the MU. Thanks, guys.
Hello again, Hannah Larson from Glenwood. I just have a couple couple things to mention if I may. Um, it's just a thought. Doesn't the non-payment of the sewer fees invalidate the pilot program? Wouldn't that be an optimal reason to yank the approvals and start
over again on that pro on that project? They didn't pay. And I feel like there's just there's just no what Mr. what he just said is is true. There's no curiosity as to how these things happen. It's always, oh yeah, this has to happen first. Oh, we have to wait for an audit.
This is nuts. Okay. This is how other towns are ending up with the pilot programs not being paid for two years. Several towns over, they're not two two entities didn't make the payments for these very reasons because we're busy playing, you know, who's on first, what's on second, I don't know, third
base. Everybody doesn't know. and it's it's just becoming tiresome. It's very tiresome. Um, regarding another issue is the uh is the appraisal fee that we paid for legends. Uh, I'm just curious. I don't know why the township would undertake paying for that appraisal fee
was quite costly. We have a full-time assessor here who could have assessed the property themselves and not appraised it or and if she overassed it, they'd be paying for the appraisal fee. Instead, the taxpayers are paying for an appraisal fee on a property that's very delinquent on taxes. It's just one
process after another that that just doesn't seem to make sense. Um I'd rather that they use their money instead of the taxpayers's money. Uh regarding another issue I have uh uh there's some issues going on with pilots, excuse me, with opas that are
not being addressed. I had one and Marcy did address mine. I didn't see it. I had surgery when she uh when she had responded to my email. But the um the video that was done in the town hall, okay, the answer I got and as I said to you, much to do, there's going to be more to do about this because that is
just not sufficient. If you make a video in this building and post it as the mayor of this town, it is not to be deleted and ignored and pretend that it didn't happen. Presto Magico doesn't work. Okay? So, I don't want to have to cost the town money because I know if I pursue this, and I intend to, it's going
to cost money. It needs to be produced. and the nonsense what's going on with Facebook, with videos, with fake names, with all the other nonsense, it needs to cease immediately. Now, there's another fake name this afternoon that I saw calling another member of the township a drunk or some kind of crazy nonsense
like that. This is sickening what's going on here. It's just sickening. It's humiliating. And we are the laughingstock of the northern half of the state as a result. And that's all to you. Thank you. Anyone else? Seeing no others, we'll close the public
comments. And do we have a motion? >> Move. >> And a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Okay. Last portion, council comments. We'll start uh with Carl. Work our way
over here. Carl. Yeah. >> Is it my turn? >> Yes. Council comment. >> Yes. >> So, as many of Sorry, one second. Hold on. >> What was that comment?
>> Council com >> It's council comments. >> Council comments. >> But but a threat was just made, so I want to address it. >> A threat was made. >> Yeah. >> What kind of threat? >> A smack. >> I never said that. >> Okay. Well, now you I would never I
wouldn't say something like that. >> I'm not saying you >> this is council comments. Um, >> okay. >> So, as many of you remember from the last council meeting, I had requested um
a report to be done on data grove and the issuance of that co. And in the report that I requested after going home and thinking about it, um I really feel that a corrective action plan is probably the most important thing we can
ask for because not only does it tell us just what happened, but more importantly, what can we do, what can we change down the line to make sure that nothing like this ever happens again. Um, so the matter as listed on our executive session agenda, it was
discussed um tonight and I'm going to be placing or requesting a resolution to be put on the agenda for the 9th that will formally here uh request that Mayor Anthony Rossy conduct an internal investigation pertaining to the
certificates of occupancy for 7A drive Vernon prematurely before all prerequisite township requirements were satisfied. side to identify how it happened. Two, prepare and submit a detailed report regarding the same to
the council no later than 30 days from the approval of the resolution. And three, present to the council a corrective action plan no later than 30 days from the date of approval of this resolution. Um, I just want to let everyone know that this isn't something
that has been ignored. It's not something that we're not talking about. Um, and it is something that we're doing something about. Your council is on top of this issue and we're not going to ignore it and we are demanding that something be done to make sure it never
happens again. So look for the March 9th agenda. >> Mr. Rudo. Yes. Thank you. One cannot say thank you without expressing
to who we should be recognizing you know significant uh achievement and I think the fact that with the amount of snow that we have received uh over the course of
this uh the fact that our that our road department has come out again and again and again and again and
interestingly it's always been on a weekday >> I'm sorry a weekend and it's cost us more that way because we because of the the payment scales and the fact that this also happens with our emergency
departments our EMS BMS as well as our uh fire departments. These people come out uh on a moment's notice braving this uh this terrible weather and we should recognize them and I I just wanted to
publicly thank them for the NR police as well for the for the great job that they've done. Moving into another area that where I I am troubled. Um, >> and I've seen it here and I've seen it
in a number of other uh areas. I don't know if it's because of the fact that the time from these occurrences has grown distant.
But if we go back to the period of World War II and that should be covered and I'm sure it is within the the scope of our studies for our high in our high school and and
certainly those who went beyond um the treatment of humanity by members of the Axis powers
was deplorable. More than that, it was inhumane. More than that, it was probably the most vile, the most cruel treatment of our own species
by other members of our species. I don't know how many of you have taken the time, few trips to Washington to go and visit the uh Holocaust Museum
and see all of the displays that typify in a small way what happened to the victims who were
incinerated, treated harshly by members of their own species. They sit there. I recall the when I went there and I saw the the
number of shoes tied together that belong to the victims, infants, men, women. And to look at that and to say this is only a small part of what was rescued from
these individual uh crematoria. And now periodically if one of us or other people even online
find themselves disagreeing with a another side uh in a particular argument, they're told that they're acting like a Nazi. Truly those people don't know what Nazis
were. And in doing so, by making that statement, they show their their lack of understanding, lack of comprehension
as to what took place and how it took place. do a little reading, do a little viewing on Facebook and see some of the members of our own fighting forces
coming in at the end of the war and looking at what had taken place, looking at the survivors and showing what had been done.
Our young men over there were vomiting because they couldn't take it. And in trying to help the people who had been starved, they offered them their rations. Unfortunately,
not knowing any better was probably the worst thing they could that they can do. And yet we continue to see the expression of you're acting like a bunch of Nazis.
You don't understand. You're just another Nazi because we happen to have a difference of opinion. Thank God we live in the United States where we can express that difference of opinion without having
to be threatened with death or worse. And when I see posting of these types of movies online depicting members of the Nazi
high command in a humorous manner, I I say how can this me? Why does it stay up there for more than
one night, one evening, one day? Why not take it down? And yet it continues to be done. I don't know who's doing this, but certainly the mayor has the right
and I think the responsibility to take this type of exemplary I can't even think of a word. this this terrible actions
that shows what was done and to make light of it because whoever has done this thinks that they can think that they can gain some type of uh feeling of
uh making a point is is absolutely absolutely wrong and to allow it staying there. Unfortunately, I don't know, people may kind of equate that with uh freedom of speech. In my
mind, if it stays up for more than it should be allowed in terms of better get with it really fast. What's happening is you are just uh giving
uh I I would say you know you you're going along with it. You're accepting it and that's not the way it should be. especially not as not something that is
being viewed on either township or township approved sites. I think that somebody who does this needs to recognize that that's not freedom of
speech. To me, it is just a uh an acceptance that this type of behavior is uh should be allowed and I don't think that that can be done.
I sorry if I've spoken long on this, but I think the fact that these actions minimize the seriousness, the absolute horror
that's been experienced by these people for six million Jews. other members of different nationalities and religions
being handled in the same fashion simply can't allow this to continue. I would ask that the administrators of these particular sites be requested that
the presentations of these documents and these issues be uh directed to have them taken down. And if they're not, I think the council should take a movement, make a move on this to
certainly pass a uh a motion, a resolution to have this done as soon as possible. Thank you. >> You the township township uh Facebook page that that you're referring to.
Someone post something on a >> I believe your name is mentioned as administrator on both. >> Okay. That that I posted this. >> Yeah. >> No, I didn't say you posted it. >> And is it on Vernon Township? Is it on the Vernon Township official page?
>> It's not on the official page, but it's on the unofficial page. >> Minister, >> but it's in a group that you administer. So let's just for let's talk >> let's not talk about this. This is
>> this is this is comments for >> not time for a comment on that right now. >> When he makes comments I I need to make sure we check the record that this does not happen on the Vernon official Facebook page. >> I'm going to make a similar comment that he made and I'll clarify
>> and then I'll comment back on that too. >> Clarify. Okay. Okay. Is it my turn? >> Yep. >> Okay. You know, to everything Pat said, um, yes, thank you for the first responders and DPW in the snow, but I want to also say the council does an
excellent council include a grief. The county does equally as good job. Also, I live on a county road, so um, wanted to speak up for them. So, what I wanted to ask my fellow council to think about this um and maybe we can discuss it at
the next meeting um if you guys would be interested in doing work sessions to look at um issues, processes, um address the needs of the community such as what Peg was talking about. We could
talk about pilots, but do work sessions and come up with goals. What do we want to achieve for this year? goals and objectives um and make a list and we can start working on them. There's a lot of things I feel need to be addressed and just as
an example, the code can be taken a look at the process um policies. So, I just wanted to throw that out there and we can talk about it if anybody has any thoughts on it and think about it for next council meeting. Good.
>> That's my comment. Council President, may I just make a comment? >> Yes. I'm looking at the real inside Vernon and it's listed as Anthony Rossy administrator. I didn't say you put it
up. I'm saying you're an administrator. Hence, I'm asking that you use your office, you use your position to delete these these vile comments. Thank you. It's a personal page that I made it clear that I'm not going to police it.
>> It's a question of freedom of speech. >> I don't think this >> crimes have been committed. >> Freedom of speech >> and it's >> and I'm not going to get into an argument. >> Let's not >> Mr. Sparta. uh to build along the winter theme here that both Sandy and Pat talked about, I just want to you know,
it's been a long time since we had a winter like this and um you know, the road department, I'm sure, is pretty tired and and weary at this point in time, but the one benefit of having a real winter change was the awesome
season I'm sure that Mountain Creek has had, uh which is our, you know, main staple here in town. Um, I think they got open earlier this year than than they have in in decades. And I think they're going to probably stay open, although they're calling for 70s next
week. Um, but I think they probably have a pretty good base if they can get through it. So, uh, but they did have a, uh, celebration a few weeks ago for their 60th season that they opened up and, um, I wasn't able to attend the the
celebration, but I did see some, um, videos that were posted from the celebration. I just want to com commend, uh, Joe Hessen and um, Evan Kobach. They uh they're planning on doing a celebration I guess every year from from what I take from what Joe was saying,
but they came up with award um for um the most influential person uh in the industry or at Mount Creek and the first a they named it the legend and uh they gave it to uh Big Al Laser who has been
on the mountain for I think all 60 years making snow and uh he One of the things that Joe did that was pretty cool was he had a little postcard made up with Al's uh name or name picture on it and he made uh like an
autograph line and everybody had to go up and get a signature. So, just want to commend uh Joe for building a a very good um uh employee morale over there by doing stuff like that. Um Joe and I have
have had our differences in the past. Um, but when I saw that video, it really made me smile cuz he he uh he did right by Al. Al deserves all the credit for for everything he's done over there over the years. So, um, and they had they had a tremendous year. I
can I can only suspect it'd be tough to beat this one going forward. Uh, no a lot of snow and no ice, which not a real fan of winter, but if it's going to be a winter, I'll take a winter like that. I don't like the ice. So, um, that's all the comments I have. So,
>> okay. Thank you. I'd like to address some of the comments that were just made. Uh, not in any particular order, but uh to begin with, I think it was Sean, you mentioned something about the land use board and pilots. Was it you or
>> And uh so just to describe what happens, the land use board has absolutely nothing to do with the pilot. land use board has to do with the application of the uh developer on whether the buildings are going to be in con in
agreement with the town center plans and all the other land use board and the zoning board uh options. They're apolitical and then it comes here we then if if it goes out of land use board it gets here we then reapprove it and that's when the pilots discuss. So, it
really is just right here, not with the land use board. That's the way that works. >> Thank you. >> And uh secondly, somebody made a mention about Zoom calls and being able to uh I'm in favor of that. I voted against banning them before and uh might be time
to bring it up again and see if this is a new council now. Maybe maybe they'll agree to open up to the public. A lot of people that can't make it to the meetings. And of course there's danger, you know, AI and people with fake bots and calling in and and if that happens,
you know, we'll we'll take that at the time. But there's a lot of people home can't be here have a lot to say and uh the more the people say, the more you learn and it gives us an idea of what really is important out there. So up that will go up on the new uh new new
discussion to open it up to this board. Uh you made a comment about the library system at the high school. Yeah, they have a big library up there. They have a school for 9 1,800 students and there's less than 900 in it now. There's plenty of room up there, but the school and the
county are two different entities and one won't be putting their library in in one of our schools or our school won't close their library and send the kids to the send it down to the public library. I can't imagine that, but who knows?
Maybe that could happen and save some money on the school side. But I don't know how much the library at the schools used. And my point was just saying you got $1.2 million worth of library taxes. So it's something we don't control here. It was just a point and they're they're
all separate. That that's a problem. Uh Mr. Dunlop, you mentioned the MUA. Huge problem. There's so many questions on what happened and we're trying to get to the bottom of that. In fact, after this meeting, there's going to be a continuation of a meeting to really find
out what happened. We we know that somebody thought somebody else said to go ahead, but that's not acceptable. I mean, not not with all the political things going on with the development and
uh it's it's just needing answers. And of course, has it been paid? Will it be paid? When will it be paid? And how much will it be paid? are the real questions. So, right now we have a hookup fee for the MUA, hasn't been paid, $70,000. We
have $213,000 due to the county. They haven't been paid. They put a lean on the building already. And then there's uh additionally, there was another $72,000 that has nothing to do with the pilot, nothing to do with that. It's just
underusage of what we committed as a town to pay to use for the county and we didn't use our capacity and that's another $72,000. So that 72,000 is separate from the hookup fees. That's the money that Miss
Bright wanted transferred over to the new CFO so she could pay that bill. Nothing to do with the pilot. Nothing to do with the seven. So there's really 72,71 and $213,000 all bundled together. So it's a lot of
money. We're trying to get to the bottom. And it really comes down to when is it going to be paid. Edus are calculated on on different uh apartments and different bedrooms in the apartment. And there's formulas to go by. So, it
appears that the town, the Vernon MUA, calculated the .edus at 60% of a full .DU, which reduced the number of EDUs per apartment. And while that was used
as the baseline to charge the uh developer, the county sent over in the letter that Mr. Dunlap referred to yet a lower calculation. So, so right away, what do we have? How much do we charge them? Is it the the
county's uh evaluation or is it what was evaluated here? And the developers waiting for an answer. So, in their favor, hey, how can I pay if I don't know what to pay? And the I I haven't heard the MUA specifically say what's
due. And then and then on top of that there's a request that's almost automatically given for a hardship. Hardship doesn't reduce the cost. It just extends the payments over a 5year period of time. And uh that's floating
somewhere as well. Why it all can't be brought together through the MUA so that we can sit here and say here's the payment, here's the bill and get done. I don't understand that. You know, I've I've I've spoken to the CFO of the MUA,
got partial answers. I've spoken I've invited the director of the MUA here. He's on vacation. Uh Mr. Rudo is trying to fill in for some of their answers because he's he sits on the board, but he's not operating the MUA on a day in dayout basis. So, there's really a lot
of confusion and no one person that gives you the full answer. We're trying to get to the bottom of it. We're going to continue later tonight. Uh on the other one, Kirk, on on your comments, just to let you know, there is some action taking place. I I met and I
had lunch with Miss Edwards over there and we got along very well. She gave me a lot of information and it was a good exchange. I learned a lot. I've got a lot of it here and a lot of it has to do with questions on the MUA. For example, some of the things she brought up were
who are we really dealing with? We have the O'Neal group. We got Bright Horizons. We have uh Redand LLC. We've got uh Right-Hand Builders LLC. Then she showed me some documentation documentation that Right-Hand Builder
LLC was registered in New York and then it's referred to as a New Jersey company and they are the ones doing the building and it was another person's name, an agent, Mr. Kaufman, whoever he is. So, there's five different companies and and I I've learned that that's
pretty common when in the building business and we've got a builder in the room here and you know they operate under one name and then they build under another and then they develop it under a third and I guess it's for liability reasons but I I would think if we ask
the MUA who they're really dealing with, we have different documentations who applied and uh who's going to pay the bill all has to be it's It's really confusing and I I think it can be done a lot better than the way it's been done and we're going to get to the bottom of
it. And uh I I took a phone call from a gentleman who's not here who was very vocal in the last uh meeting. Someone gave him my number. I took the call and I looked on the call. It lasted for 12 minutes and
uh I spoke for about 30 seconds and the whole idea was for him to vent. And he did on a lot of things that took place here. And then two days later, I'm reading on Facebook, he posted, "I promised this, I promised that. I should
take this action." I listened for for 11 and a half minutes and said nothing because I'm not going to comment and say to somebody on the phone that I'm going to do something that I'm not going to do. So that person I'll probably not take a call from, but I'll surely meet with the people that I met with and I
think we're making some progress towards towards a common goal here. That's that's really what we're all about. And uh lastly, with Mr. Rudo, his comments on the mayor's uh Facebook pages, two Facebook pages, the mayor's Facebook
page and the real inside earnings. And the mayor, I've told him personally, other people on this council said, "You make a big mistake with all the post. I do away with your Facebook page. I do away with the real inside Vernon and the Second Amendment rights, first amendment
rights. This is nasty stuff. It's on your website. You may not have put it there, but it's your website. You administer it. And I suggest strongly just do away with your websites and get that crap off of there. And you're just doing damage to yourself in the town."
>> Okay. First off, I don't have a mayor account. Okay. Secondly, it is a private account. >> Excuse me. >> Not a term. >> I don't need a term. >> So, please, please, >> we do. You're digging your whole seat.
Excuse me. You're embarrassing yourself. >> Excuse me. You're embarrassing. >> Please take a seat. Please, sir. Please take a seat. Defending videos. You're embarrassing yourself. You should stop. You should stop. Please. We hold our hand up and then we say we
we will support the Constitution of the United States. Okay. Not when it's suitable for someone else or someone doesn't like someone. >> You keep going back to that. Just stop. That is a fact. You're talking about a private. This is a private account.
>> Okay. Motion to adjurnn, please. >> Yeah. That's >> good. >> Let me look at his Bernard Township official page and then we can have a conversation about that.