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>> Thank you madam. >> Councilwoman Holland >> here. >> Councilwoman McGrath >> here. >> Councilman Roman >> here. >> Deputy Mayor Mackoy >> present. >> Mayor Tambber >> here. >> Mayor also present today's township attorney Brian Aoya. Deputy Township
Manager act today acting manager Michael Krauss myself municipal clerk Jennifer Kieran. >> Thank you. Would everybody please stand als for all. one for the mayor's report this evening
items. have the opportunity to attend the Rona Baseball and softball league play it forward event on um which is a great event to be the last at the current
field and BBSL is raising money for their contribution to the construction project which is to build the new session stand. There is an opportunity if you'd like to participate in that
brick. You can check out the baseball softball website and social media for my social media for that. Um, I had the opportunity to introduce the the band at uh some concert series. Like to thank
the Ron Chamber of Commerce for sponsoring that additional uh evening. It's just great. It was it was really a very popular night and very enjoyable. Thank you. chamber on that and immediately prior to this meeting we had the groundbreaking for the new ever
field. Uh so thank you to everybody involved in that. We have representatives from the town council from Toronto baseball. Uh Jess Pearson and Sarah Farrell from the environmental commission Thomas from
the shade tree commission baseball softball league. Uh we have former township manager Joe Aco project uh as well as uh John Sor from the county development rocket grant program. We're appreciative of their support as
well as our contractor. So uh get our shovels in the sand and we look forward to that project starting and hopefully the field ready to play on for the spring season. Uh there will be no planning board meeting. the month of August due to lack
of forum. The master plan subcommittee continues to meet as it relates to the affordable housing plan uh meeting schedule. Tomorrow, Tuesday, August 5th is the national
event um right here at the Civic Center from 6 o' to 9:00. This is sponsored by the police department and the Cedar Grove Police Department as a joint effort. You'll have the opportunity to meet our police, our fire at Mass Public Works. Everybody there, get some good
food, play some games, and learn more about our emergency services. So, I look forward to seeing everybody there. Congresswoman Monica McGyver's office will be in this room, town council chambers from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. this
Wednesday, August 6th for constituent relations. If you just want to stop in and say hello, I'm sure they would appreciate it. It's great that they are happy to host them. On Friday, August 10th at 8:15,
we August 10th 8, sorry. Um, we'll be having our screening of Happy Gilmore 2 at 8:15 in the Arona Civic Center, an outdoor movie. Uh, the steps of this building were in the movie, so we are going to watch the movie next to those
steps and and see how it goes. My hometown was also in the movie uh for a mini golf course. look forward to seeing that as well. And a reminder that we have a special meeting on August 13th at 5:30 to meet as a committee of the whole
with the representatives and fire department, police department architect to discuss the public safety bill, ask questions and go from there. Uh we don't expect any official action will be taken at the meeting but it's a time for questions
and of course like any meeting time and that is my report I have one appointment will be announced tonight which is third as two for the jry commission appointed
to be commission and at this point I'll turn over to Mr. Okay. even council and I did watch the movie and I did see the steps of the town hall very nicely said to my wife oh there's
the steps here's the town hall of our own so uh being like to see places you know uh a couple of things we have captain deck preview Billy Joe Friday August 8th
at Brookdale Park and then the theater rocks bro review August 15th at 7:30 p.m. and that's at Eagle Rock Reservation West Orange and that will be closing out the summer concert series
and fireworks and all the great happening. Uh already we're jumping into uh September uh 911 is on Thursday uh from 8 a.m. in the morning and hopefully everyone can
attend. The other thing is that uh look at my phone uh county executive is having his annual golf outing for the support of the park foundation and that is on Thursday September 25th.
Uh it will be at Franken Burn and I will send the clerk flyer then she'll know you can send heard that the So matter
the other thing and I'll leave this u Tuesday September 30th from 10 to 2 is our annual Essex County senior wellness. Uh if you need transportation or anything from your seniors we supply that. So please have your seniors come
out. It's a great day. A lot of health things there. checking blood pressure and other helpful items. I will leave this with you and that's about it. Oh, importantly,
they're starting to pay grocer. So I know I made a call before I got here and uh they are starting the pavement. They have done some intersections. I know they didn't want to come in front of community center and
they're starting to do the main. We just thought I just thought before this meeting that works into it for the but I would suggest going to reach out if not just send me
an email at least and then I'll public with the time and date and then but I've seen the movie already so I don't have more than >> Well, welcome to your more than welcome. >> Anything else? >> Thank you, Jack.
>> Thank you. >> On to the managers report which will be given by the deputy manager. Strands engineering is crafting their public communication plan. We've had two meetings and they have sent the draft that uh the
administration and the public information officer are reviewing the window replacements. All windows are in. They're working through a few items. Uh they've been in and out cleaning some of the stickers and gunk off of the windows to make sure they work very
nice. We did receive our first reimbursement check um for the work that was done water infiltration and mold that was $37,000. We have another $12,500
under this claim. The lead abatement was completed and has been sent to the GIF. They are reviewing that cost. They are also reviewing the costs for trailers for the police department. When they do move back here, they will be placed
their locker room will be located in their trailer. The cost that they are reviewing right now is the rental of the trailer, setup of the trailer. We're also going to be installing the sidewalk to and from the trailer that we will submit as well. The organic fertilizer,
uh, two treatments have been applied. DBW reports that while the field looks nice and green, it is covered in weeds and crab grass all over the place. And also at the community center, uh we are anticipating
the paving and concrete work to be done during the month of August. This is partially to try to get everything done before Eagles games and sports starts at the field which causes a ongoing work a big headache.
Uh the job opportunities that we are currently looking for include that are additions are building maintenance worker for the community center and we are readvertising for an IT director.
The first round interviews for director of community services were conducted. We're going to be inviting finalists back and towards the end of the month. Part of the second interview will be um include questions and data that they are
sent uh a week five days prior to the interview so they can come up with answers. All candidates will be judged on the same questions. The OPEIU contract is on the agenda for this evening. In community services, the summer
playground program has been completed. Uh we have one more payroll to go to see what the total salary and wage cost of that was. We will be sending out a survey. Uh fall registration for programs opens August 19th and we
are looking into changing the field hockey league that our um participants play in. There's been some changes. Caldwell left the league we were currently playing in and there was talks that Mont player of Milburn was going
to. The field hockey parents have reached out to this league. They've obtained some information. They also gave us information on fees for the programs that our fees are quite low compared to other municipalities. the lead law. Not many uh property
owners have reached out to schedule inspections or provide certificates that they have been inspected since the first mail are only a seven or 8% increase in properties that have become compliant. They will be sending a
second one out in September. And if no one people who do fail to address the or come into compliance will face uh fines penalties and then in upcoming ordinances
have we still have the children's fund that that we spoke about. Um I'm waiting all the applications for the last 12 months to see I know counciloman had a question on if 185% means that certain people will not qualify. Um, public
health, we will reach out to Bloomfield to see their availability to come to a meeting. Uh, recreation fees, the administration will look to phase in summer camp fees over a longer period of time to minimize the impact of families
and get them used to a higher fee so that we don't shock the system and people can't afford the programs. We'll also look at if there is the discount or the discounted if you participate in de I
believe it is called before. Then two that we haven't addressed um site work permits um is currently being reviewed and sidewalk cafes which is currently under zoning but the construction code official is the approver and the
sidewalk cafe also requires council approval which we can discuss if that's something that we want to change or not. And that concludes my report. Um, with regard to field,
so for this season, like I I just wanted to confirm my understanding they're changing lead for this season or they're exploring that, >> correct? That's what they're actually just sent me an email about it >> like this second
>> uh three minutes ago. Um, okay. To confirm that they are exploring that because Okay. So, in your report that said that you've contacted that, but right now, so are they currently without like a schedule and without a lead? Um, >> that's what it sounds like.
>> Okay. Um, and then with regard to the field hockey fees, saying that they're below where others are, would that be rolled into part of the recreation fee ordinance um or not? It's field hockey
seems to be this hybrid recreation parent driven organization. Where do the fees get settled? >> I don't believe we've gotten that far with the field hockey fees. They sent a list of about 20 towns and what the
other towns are charging. >> I know that the current maximum is 100. I think the youngest say 60 or 70. >> It is really cheap. Yeah. I just wasn't sure if it's in the ordinance and if it would be considered as part of that larger fee ordinance. Um, and I guess my
other question is about the sidewalk cafes. Um, I'm not familiar with the definition of sidewalk cafes in the zoning ordinance, but is the is it essentially what we had in COVID, which is like the sidewalk outdoor seating. Is that what a sidewalk cafe is?
>> That's more outdoor dining, I believe, or there's table service out there. A sidewalk cafe is understanding more like what's outside bagel witch where yeah seating out there not where you sit down someone comes takes your order
that's more outdoor dining >> okay so if we are considering any kind of amendments regarding either outdoor dining or sidewalk cafes I would just ask that we consider that in the context of like our streetscaping along Bloomfield um just because I I think
it's lovely to be able to sit outside and I think it's a great opportunity and I think the recommendations about streamlining make sense. I just also want us to consider walkability and making sure that you know whatever we're doing with our streetscaping and is
consistent with sidewalk cafes or outdoor dining so that we aren't creating an issue with walkability on sidewalk >> of course and the streetscape was actually what triggered the conversation. They had asked in their renderings if we had sidewalk cafes because they had them in their
renderings. So that's what causing on um the community center specifically. I know that there's concerns from the neighborhood traffic and safety committee and and they were raised by staff members who came to our meetings about the safe crossage of walking of uh
children and parents from the play new playground um to their cars in front of the building. Um so is that going to be addressed in the paving and with signage with a crosswalk with maybe
talked about possibly a raised crosswalk there. Um, or can we get follow? >> I my understanding is there's going to be at least signage on the crosswalk, but I will get followup information for you. >> And I think if that can be sent to the
neighbor the chairs of the their co-chairs for the neighborhood and safety committee, that would be great. Uh, they don't meet until September. So this is going to happen quickly just to move on to our council member report. >> Thank you Mr. Mayor. Uh I want to remind
everybody uh Sustainable Verona has a program uh they started a program with steel energy for a whole house energy audit for residents of Verona. The audit cost $49.
Uh you can get up to uh $6,000 off of any upgrade you perform. Uh it's 50% of what you can pay. So if you pay 12,000 for upgrades, AC, heat, hot water, heaters, uh insulation, you can get 6,000 back. It's a program through
public service. Uh the sustainable now is going from that to uh commercial buildings and they had a breakfast this past Tuesday and brought in representatives to uh some of the building owners in Verona that could
make it. Obviously, it was uh in August, but they plan on doing another breakfast sometime in late September or early October for other building owners, but it's it's a it's an even better program for building owners. You can get up to 80% of what you pay for upgrades uh
refunded to you. So, uh, you have any interest in this, uh, we have a meeting on Wednesday night, sustainable does at 7 o'clock at the community. So, join us if you have questions or reach out to Sustainable
Verona through the town's website. Uh, moving on, uh, summer concerts are going great. Uh, they we've had great turnout. Uh, this past week was at the pool. Uh it was uh I'd like to thank the pool staff for their uh work that night.
It was a perfect night to be at the pool because it was very hot and very humid. So you can listen to music while you're splashing about the pool and it kept the pool open late that night. So it was nice and I thank that staff along with buildings and grounds who keep our pool looking great.
Uh the mayor mentioned uh tomorrow night's national night out. Join us here. Uh, Wednesday night is that meeting and Thursday the Chamber of Commerce is having a meet and greet at the Verona end from 5:30 to 7:30 and we welcome any
business owners in Verona uh who would like uh it's a good networking group that has been together. I think we're up to 60 65 uh members. So, we've been growing for the last year and we're doing very well. Uh we also have a
t-shirt fundraiser for $20. Uh you can help support the chamber which then gives back as such as concert in the summer. So I believe uh that is oh just a rescheduled concert
that got rained out this summer is rescheduled for September 9th. So after Labor Day the uh new power and soul will be in the civic center here. So, we get to uh hang out again September. And that is
I'm going to mention the ground. Uh I got to mention uh the process of going through getting Everfield done and plans uh was a very long and detailed process. So, I'd like to thank the BBSL and all the other organizations that helped out
gave their opinions on it. The event that BBSL had the other uh last week uh the play it forward event was very successful. They had a lot of people out. It was again a beautiful day and they had a lot of people that uh went there and supported them and they as the
mayor mentioned uh will be having other fun to chip into the building of this new field. We look forward to council. >> Thank you. >> Um just want to comment first off on the uh council and um ballroom AV upgrades.
Um, I was able to send final comments through to the township. Appreciate the township manager and deputy township manager getting responses on those. Um, I'm very satisfied with what the contractor is proposing. Um, they're actually going to be uh giving us a newer generation of the equipment that
was proposed at no additional cost because the money there is going into life. Um, but we'll have things like uh monitors in front of us so that we can see the other end of presentations and Zoom calls. Um, same thing for the ballroom, larger monitors apart so the public can see. And the other thing I'm
very excited about that's going into this is assisted li listening systems at both sites. So if anyone has difficulty hearing or wears hearing aids, um, the system will have uh, receivers that pipe the audio into your hearing aids uh, which at planning board meetings has
been a very large issue for people sitting in the back of the room. So just want to say thank you to the administration for all the work that's uh, going into that. We're very much forward to seeing those deployed. Um, same comments on Everett Field. Uh, also BBSL event was fantastic as well as
groundbreaking tonight. I'm very glad to see this facility getting a much needed upgrade. Um, it is going to be a thrill piece as you come into town and uh, it's we got all the life out of that field that we possibly could. So, it's very much time and a lot of appreciation township and BBS organizations for
helping make this possible. And uh also happy birthday to Councilwoman McGrath that had one for our last meeting and also council may this evening. >> Thank you. Um mayor in new business I want to talk about appointments to
boards and committees. So if we can discuss it that would be great. Um I uh unfortunately I was out of town for the VBSL event but not for tonight's groundbreaking. Um obviously I'm really excited about this field um uh finally
getting to uh fruition. Um and I want to thank BBSL for their partnership. They really did make a lot of concessions to make um to to assist in getting to guests and I really do thank them for that. I want to thank the administration for organizing once again um the mobile
um um motor vehicles van um in Verona which was a great birthday present uh for me uh two weeks ago as um I was able to snag an appointment for my son to get a real ID. Uh lots of uh people were
pouring in to hand in old license plates and to get their real IDs. they were quite busy and um it's a great service that the state offers to bring the DMV directly to our communities. I'm excited about Congresswoman Macyver's office
coming this week and I want to echo what the mayor said which is you can stop by if you have an issue with a federal agency or you can just stop by to give her staff feedback on anything uh that is happening um and um or just to meet them. They're really a great resource
and I do appreciate that she's been rotating through all of her towns and has come to Verona several times already. Um, I do want to ask the administration, we got an email from a resident on Sunset Avenue about some flooding after those high rain events
that we had in the last two weeks and he sent videos. Um, and I know that the mayor is well aware of this since he lives next door um to the golf course, but we really do need an action plan and need to pick this back up on what are the things that Longclair Golf Club is
doing to address flooding off of their property and all of the tree uh removal over the last decade and the impact it's had on our residents. So, if we can, you know, add that to, you know, one of the project streams, that would be great.
While we in a fix in that corner by sunset. Clearly from the video, it was overwhelmed in the last events and we need to see if we can do more. Um, so that would be great. Um, and that's actually my report. Thank you
very much. >> Thank you. Um, as we are in August, I think it's really worthwhile to acknowledge um, just the weather in general, the heat of the summer. Um, as much as it's great for us to enjoy the amen amenities like
the Verona Community Pool, it's really important for residents to be mindful of heat related illnesses and also the impacts of climate change. And so as a utility and environmental attorney, I,
you know, I think folks have realized by now that I'm relatively passionate about infrastructure improvements. And while we've made progress to address flooding in town, um I do agree with uh Councilwoman statements that she just made um that there is more work that
needs to be done. and we've, you know, even most recently approved various capital improvements um that would be addressing climate change as well. But with the increasing intensity of storms due to climate change, flash flooding is
still going to be a very real issue in our community. We are a valley town and while the Pacman River appears to be a charming brook most of the time, it can become a very raging river. Um, so I do want to urge residents to be mindful of
the watches and warnings because watches can very quickly turn into flash flood warnings and our town can be split in half by the Pekman River. Um, cars can get swept away by the Pekman River. It
has happened. It did in 2018 um, just upstream from us. And so I think it's really important for residents to be aware of flash flood safety concerns. Um the recent rains we have were not as devastating as we've seen in 2018 or
2021, but that doesn't mean that there won't be further storms this summer and into September. That could be very challenging. So I just want to encourage everybody to stay safe both with heat related concerns and heat related illness and in any kind of extreme
weather event such as flash flooding. I would also just like to acknowledge the groundbreaking this evening for Everett Field. I am particularly thrilled about that project moving forward. Um I joined the recreation advisory committee as a
liaison four years ago and one of the first topics of discussion was what were we going to do about Everett Field? And I quickly learned that residents had been talking about Everett Field improvements for well over a decade and
that they felt like no meaningful proc uh progress was being made. So, I'm so grateful to have been able to work with those passionate individuals on the rec advisory committee to work with a dedicated administration acknowledging
uh former township manager Jody Arco's contributions to it. And it was really lovely that he was able to come out tonight to be part of that groundbreaking and to really move this forward in the last four years. Um, and so while it did involve a number of meetings to get us to tonight's
groundbreaking, I think ultimately we made more progress in these last four years than had been made in decades to address that necessary uh recreation infrastructure improvement. And like I said at the beginning of this, I'm very passionate about infrastructure improvement. I'm really glad that we can
do that um for our community. And I think it'll be great for generations to come. Um it is a beautiful contribution to our Bloomfield Avenue um street skate. So essentially when people are coming into town, they'll get to see um
this crown jewel um of our community. So I'm very uh grateful for that and grateful for all the support from residents um and uh the community at large. Thank you. this point I'll open up for for
comments and settings as we can any public comment from the gallery. >> Do you want me to read? >> Do you want me to? >> Yeah, I think we have to just give us one minute. Anyone from the public wishing to speak on any any matter? If you're attending via Zoom, please raise
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your comments and our questions. this particular um area. I just want to comment quickly on the registration process for the reg for recreation for the poll and it's basically the last previous years. Um the committee has
felt and personally I feel that the registration process is just way too short. Um we understand that there has been some vacancies within the community service department but um it opens up August 19th for that are September 8th.
Um I know personally I'm planning stuff out October and November already. So we really feel and this is I've been chair for about two and a half years of the uh rec committee and the process has not changed at all and we have made multiple comments in committee sessions saying
that we prefer 60 days prior to a session starting and then marketing maybe 15 days prior to that. So we really like to see uh some sort of changes happen with the registration process so that the fall season, the
winter season, summer season is advertised properly and that uh residents have enough time to plan out their programs throughout the fall season and spring season. So I have other comments speak about this
public time but um thank you very much. >> You're welcome to address those. We're going to be doing that in 10 seconds. So, if you want to >> Okay. >> Uh, so my my second issue is the um and everybody got my email on the um on the
um adult swim. Um for me personally, this is not the committee. Um this is me personally saying that at this time it's not required. There are plenty of times when adults can swim 10 to 11 o'clock in
the morning on Saturday weekends. Uh the the lap lengths, there's multiple lap lanes. I see a lot of times adults not swimming laps and that's fine. That's great. And I think there should be space where adults have where they can't be splashed.
But in two busy in very busy times on Friday and Saturday 5:00 when parents are getting home, taking their kids to the pool, going into the shallow end. Really not the greatest time to be doing that on either a Friday or Saturday night. It's not personal. It's just when
we get there, we'd like to be able to have our kids be able to go into the sh. It's not going to be 15 minutes. It's going to be 20 25 minutes. And I know it's a pilot program, but a lot of times that's just going to be a very difficult period. I I suggest alternatives and a process. Let it go through the
recreational committee. Let us talk about it. But an alternative, for example, is let's create a space within the lanes or above the lane or behind the lane where we can have enough space where adults can go in and not be splashed. Um, I talked about a little
bit in my email about my child and he's autistic and I had to go u sessions in the morning away from um away from the crowd and why can't special education kids or special needs
kids have the same courtesies that adults do at that time period. I just think there's a better way of doing this. I think you can do this, but I just think this particular option is not the best option. And I say this with the most respect in the world to everybody
that goes to the community pool just to pick a better time frame. Let's think about it a little bit more and then come out maybe next summer and have that space. But otherwise, that's my commentary. Thank you very much. >> Thanks, Mr. Anybody else?
>> Oh, boy. This for transa uh I'll be quick basically. I don't have much. Uh I just want to say awesome job on Everett. It's about time. I remember two years ago I had my not longer my 10U team up here and now we're moving to 14U
softball. So, I think that's amazing and how much work has been put into that and let's remember that when the first pitch goes out into his team place uh the water inspection uh at the resident's homes. I talked to Kevin uh a few
meetings back and we suggested that uh basically I have two other homes well two other residents in other towns and we did the same exact thing and we just did it by take a photo and email it. It didn't the town anything to mail out anything. We didn't pay an employee to
go out anywhere, which is a lot easier. You just respond with great idea. I'll look into it. Nothing further. I think you'll get more people responding. They can just take a photo of themselves instead of schedule for five minutes the whole day for somebody walking in their house and say, "Yeah, it's not lit." Um,
this week is the uh police and fire building. I'm not going to make it unfortunately, so you won't hear my public comment. But uh I just wanted to say one thing about that and that's the windows uh on the design on the front of the building. Uh in my type of work and construction, windows are the most
expensive thing to do. And then you have to upkeep those windows. So they're on the second floor of that building. So I just hope we have window cleaning and everything else put in place for that because that's going to cost us money over the years. Uh just quick thing try to save money. And otherwise that's it.
Hope you guys are enjoying your summer. Thank you. Anybody else? Hearing none, I'll close public comment. Um, sure. I agree with you on the uh
registration piece for uh the fall programs. It does seem like a short interval to register. So perhaps we can hear back from administration. Maybe that might be a great question to ask our candidates for uh the director of human services position what they
think time for registration is uh and see if we can make a not reasonable for that. Um, as far as the uh piece, I'll I'll save my comment on that
until agenda. Uh, Mr. Thank you for Sullivan on your idea inspection and also bring up about the windows. Um, that is a concept plan though. It's not
diagram that all those things in but that is a great question for that we would like to hear I am in favor of more traditional walking building anyway that would not have a big glass window because the
neighborhood and I have articulated that That's something that fits in a little bit better to looks more like the buildings in that area that area but more like that office
building. Any other council responses? This point we are moving to the consent agenda. Uh one set of minutes and 19 resolutions
to pull any item. One that I'll just mention is um L6. I live about 250 ft away from that property and you know not immediately. So do you want to pull this? I just ask Mr. Mr.
without more information out the other research count anyway. So why don't we just >> Well, I know that we just indicated um that we discussed further number 18, which is the adult swim pilot. So I don't know if that should be pulled, but
I would also like to pull 19 for a separate I should pull 18 for separate discussion asking full 18 make a motion on K1 L1 through 17. by the deputy mayor. Is there a second
comment? The consent agenda comments >> comment on the consent agenda. We're also going to comment on items 18 to 19 now. So we have to do multiple public comment sessions. So if anybody has any public comment on any of the items listed on the agenda, please bring that
forward at this time. So hearing no public comment on K1 or L1 L separately, but we don't have to have different call. >> All right. Closing public comment. >> Uh, any council discussion on K1 or L1
through L17? >> Mayor, if I may, I'm just number them. >> What's that? >> Um, just to number them for the record that L1 through L17 will be numbered 2025179
through and including 2025-095, I mean 95. >> We haven't voted on yet. So, But you didn't. >> Yeah, we haven't we haven't adopted them. So,
>> was the motion before for pulling the resolutions or for moving the consent? >> Moving the consent to those two items. >> Okay. >> K1 L1 through L and then they will be those numbers. If we
>> I'll say it again. >> Any council discussion on those items? Yes. I just want to point out on L9 um that I drove past the property. >> So, >> so I sorry I didn't pull it earlier. I I
I um I raised it with administrator or with um because I was just asking is this the right one? But the >> tree was acting on >> I mean I would revisate.
Yeah, I would >> rescue vote on this. I'd like to know why that's a fair point. There's no rush. I think deputy mayor cross >> deputy manager >> deputy >> deputy manager >> my fault um we found out today um that
the tree was removed there was a DPW employee that went there with the arborist who stated it was a hazard there was a miscommunication and the before the permit was granted that
the tree was removed in line with the zoning officer the recommendations before the council's recommendation. We're still looking into everything that happened and if any procedures were violated probably the contractor will
receive some type of warning of that. So we have a motion to revise the original motion and pull the motion. >> Did you make your original
>> make So you're going to move now you're revising the motion to A1 L1 through L8 and L So now the numbers are >> we need to vote on pulling it or no you
just make a motion >> will move to table that we're taking no action on it. Right. So to table that once we get done passing it's sorry the current items. All right. Could we have a can we have a roll call
vote Mrs. on K1 L1 through L8, L10 through L7. >> Councilwoman Holland, >> yes. >> Councilwoman McGrath, >> yes. >> Councilman Roman, >> yes. >> Deputy Mayor Makavoy, >> yes.
>> Mayor Tambbor, >> yes. >> Okay. Mayor L1 through L8 will be numbered 179 and including 186. 10 through 17 will be numbered 87.
through 94 194. >> All right. Uh I'll hear a motion to table resolutions L9 motion made by council. Is there a second? Second is by Council Roman. This is a
non debatable motion. Uh vote. All those in favor? Motion carries. Do I have a motion to adopt resolution
L18 which is the discuss we have to have a motion to in order to discuss or we can move to business. My question I'm asking is what if we revise this
to business discussions. So, I'm just going to move that to new business. Motion on that necessarily. So, we're just Okay. Uh, do I hear a motion on L19, which is the
motion by council woman? I'll second by the deputy mayor. Uh discussion on this item discussion of the collective party process is not
easy for either side of the table as a career. It's never easy for the majority representative of the union. Um but I
will collaborate and come up with a fair agreement. Um and one that demonstrates the town's appreciation of white staff dispatchers staff.
So Mr. Krauss for negotiating for publication. Council does not sit in on the negotiations. Council approves or denies the uh collective
agreement proposal as it comes forward. Any other discussion on that? None. >> Councilwoman Holland. >> Councilwoman McGrath. >> Yes. >> Council Councilman Roman. >> Yes. Deputy Mayor Makavoy.
>> Yes. >> Mayor Tambbero. >> Yes. >> Mayor Resolution 2020 um resolution L 19 will be number 2025 1 95 and passes 40 with one exception. >> Thank you. We have no licenses or
permits nor do we have an attendance this evening. Open discussion on the pilot. Deputy mayor council woman would like to I have just a quick
draw the reservation about the time to 5:00 probably time. Um, I just want to say at our last meeting we agreed to pilot this and I believe you said, you know, we would try
it out twice. The way this is written, we're trying it out multiple times or effectively changing the pool rules. So, you know, I'm in favor of trying adult once or twice. So, not something that's extensive.
Um, so I mean that's, you know, where my thought process is. just try it, you know, midafter afternoon on two Saturdays. Um, and what I would like to see is surveying. So I would like to see that
there are hand there are paper surveys and a QR code to electronic survey that's on site so that as people are leaving the pool they're encouraged to fill up a survey on the adults when that just happened because I would like to get feedback at that moment for people
who actually experience it both adults who were able to utilize it and the parents who had to wrangle their kids outside of the pool and how did that experience go and I want to after real time feedback. We can certainly like do feedback surveys on it at the end of the
season, but I would like the administration to promise that they're going to survey at that moment. Um, so those are where I'm kind of sitting with um changing the pool rules on adults when I I think we agreed to to test it
out twice for not weekly, which is really just changing. We wanted to pilot it, but that's where Um I agree that this appears to be a change of the pool rules instead of just like a
pilot that that is really more of a test. Um it does have this essentially going into effect starting this upcoming weekend and through Labor Day weekend. So that is the remainder of the pool season. um it doesn't otherwise have any
of the traditional features of a pilot which would include things like feedback surveys and and actually testing right like the whole point of a pilot is to experiment with something see how it goes before you implement it this appears to be implementing it and then
under the opaces of it being pilot um I also really appreciate the the resident feedback Mr. Shore has put a lot of time in the wreck advisory committee into exploring different opportunities at the
pool. And I think he raises a valid point that if we wanted to test this, that's fine, but it really is something that should be vetted by the recreation advisory committee that has put a lot of time into it. Um, I also personally do
have concerns about accessibility. Um, Mr. Sh referenced his uh autistic son, but I do think that clearing the pool can take a decent amount of time um leading up to that 15 minutes and that
if there aren't other accommodations for families that could be challenging. So, if we are going to do it, I think the two times offered of 2 p.m. and 5:00 pm are probably less ideal. It might be better to have one time and maybe have
it a compromise of like a 3pm and have that coupled with recct tent activities for the children that just were um that just vacated the pool so that there is some other activity for them to do at
the pool um during that time period. Um that I think that would make the transition easier and I think that's an opportunity to showcase some of the other amenities at the pool. Um, I also question whether or not it needs to be the shallow end and the four lap lanes,
um, or if it makes sense for it to be the lap lanes and the deep end of the pool as it is the adult swim time. Um, and whether or not the shallow end of the pool could still be reserved for families um, and so that the the lab
lanes and the deep end of the pool can be reserved for adults during that period. we would then not have children going down the slides or using the diving boards at that time could be an adult area. Um I think that would also make it easier for the transition to the
adult sweat if we kept the current times. So those are some of my thoughts. I do appreciate the residents that signed the petition um that was referenced. Um I do appreciate the the municipal clerk's time, you know, going
through those signatures. Um, but I I would also welcome getting a broader uh context and more feedback from pool members uh about this. So I do think running this as a pilot it's very worthwhile.
>> Thank you. Um, nobody has an objection or Mr. S has an objection. Manager Walter, did you want to comment on the timing? deeper. >> I understand Mr. Shor's uh
interpretations about that, but we've had to clear the pool three or four times and I've been there three for what we call a code brown where you have to clear the pool because somebody has >> Yeah. Yeah, we got it.
>> Um that we think table clear in three minutes. So to blow the whistles and get everybody out, I don't think it would be a problem. Um if we wanted to have it at one board, that would be fine. But two and five is what was dedicated to that
period of time that Jan would like to like to do it. But there's no problem with us. I can go around the pool at that time and tell everybody we're going to do it in like 15 minutes, 20 minutes and just have the the uh the rec committee has the recent
is open at that period of time u up until 5:00. We could keep it open just a little bit longer just 15 minutes after the 5:00. So that's I have no problem. Uh, I mean, just listening to the back and forth, uh, I do think it
the 1 to 4 p.m. would be the better. And then maybe we should just take the Labor Day weekend out because we know that's a crowded weekend. >> We could just do the one weekend on here. So we do two a Friday Saturday this
weekend and then Friday Saturday the third weekend. I think our original intent was to do. So my my suggestion is that we go August 23rd time to communicate this public know
or we can do four might as well Saturday because Saturday I I kind of agree that this should be a limited pilot. Um again I'm like just changing Google. So that I like the idea of just basically taking two days with three different
time sets and see what happens and then gathering feedback again to see how this goes. Um and then go back and and make changes or potentially I just think we're so late in the pool season that really making this a permanent change at this point in time didn't make sense. We
still haven't changed the rules just because it I'll make that action just because I brought it up. >> Um I just wanted confirmation from the deputy manager that the administration will have a survey ready to go for the
weekend that we're talking about and have both paper copies and electronic like scannable QR codes so that we can get real time feedback. Is that something that the administration can commit to? I'll work with the public information officer this week to set it up.
>> Okay. I think that real time feedback is going to be uh really key instead of people chiming in to like see that feedback as I'm going to move that change the
rain. I mean that's why I kind of proposed two different weekends because what you know that last weekend a lot of people are bringing their kids to college and so you're gonna have a lot of people not there on the 22nd and the 23rd I think >> so two weekends in a row or that's why I
kind of wanted the 22nd >> two weeks so >> I I do uh well I understand that um I do object that I just think that's a lot of testing so again I was I thought we were
only testing it twice. So now we're saying we're testing four times. Then if we spend the weekend testing eight times, I think >> two earlier days and one of those rain out. >> That's fine. As long as we're limiting how many
>> All right, let me see if I can bring this all together for everybody. I'm going to move that on L 18 that we change the one to the fifth whereas right to read. Whereas to confirm
interest in the adult pilot program will be implemented on Friday uh August 15th at 1:00 and 4:00 and
uh Saturday, August 16th at 2:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. If it rains on one of those days and the time is not available, the pilot will be conducted on August
22nd or 23rd and then change the the now therefore be resolved to read in the same language that the town of Council Corona rules shall be amended to include 15minute adult swim periods at 1:00 and
4:00 on August 15 and at 2 p.m. at 5:00 p.m. on August 16th and the same times on August 22nd and 23rd in the event of the proceeding.
Is there a second any discussion on amended the resolution public comment. Same public comment replies. >> I think we should close the pool. >> Yeah. >> You okay with that?
>> I just don't want anybody to have it. implemented Thursday by we always wanted a test to see how it went over. So I appreciate that direction is going because I never
wanted to see it, you know. And the times you know I have no issue but to say thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Okay, seeing no further comments, the clerk would I'll close public comment and would you call please? >> Councilwoman Holland >> as amended. Yes. Counciloman McGrath, >> yes. >> Councilman Roman,
>> yes. >> Deputy Mayor Mackoy, >> yes. >> Mayor Tambour, >> yes. >> Mayor, um, this resolution will be numbered, what are we at? 196.
>> Yes. >> 196. Things a little out of order today. All right. We're on those middle and finish against um Council Red, you bring up appointments. >> Yes. Um I want to thank our municipal
clerk in for reminding us that we have several open positions on boards and committees. Uh she sent us an email update on um July 29th. Um and you know, I just wanted to go through them um as I
look through her email um so that maybe we can get some appointments on our calendar for our next meeting and certainly by early September. So on the planning board, we unfortunately do the passing of a member have an opening. Now it is our process on planning board when
we have an opening uh to promote up alternate number one into that seat. Now there are four people who apply to the planning board but our normal process would be that they would be selected then for an alter position. So on the planning board I just wanted to have a
to confirm what is our process going to be to fill that seat and can that seat get filled at the next meeting. Um so that we can kind of resolve that issue um and maybe the municipal clerk can confirm um the council makes that
appointment but for the alternates do we point those as well? >> No, she's shaking. I'm sorry. Isn't that you with the my I need to check but right down it's the mayor um appoints the alternates
with council approval. I think that's the zoning >> but it would be >> I think just confirm >> you can discuss I'll just look >> the planning board I believe is council >> I know but >> I thought it was land use
>> that's what I thought as well mayor so um my suggestion So it's amazing there were so many people interested in planning board um is that we follow our path procedure we appoint uh you know alternate number one becomes full member alternate number two
team number one and then um that we all uh by certain date send our vote for who we think should get the planning board uh appointment and if a a candidate receives three three or more votes then
that's the person who should be appointed. If not, I would suggest that we um ask the municipal clerk to uh rise everyone who planning board and we can have a conversation in close session at our next meeting or on the meeting in
early September if there's flexibility. Um obviously it's really important with all the work that we have going on that we fill this planning board seat. Um there are other seats that are open. So I just I'll finish all of my comments. Um the green team, we have two openings,
we have two candidates. So that one seems pretty straightforward. For the environmental committee, we have three candidates um and we need one. Uh one of those candidates also applied to sustainable. So we really have two candidates for one. And again, if we all
vote on which candidate we want, if someone gets, you know, three or more votes, then they we could disappoint them at the next meeting. So I would love to move forward um you know with the next meeting or certainly by early September and get the ease things filled
because we you know we hear sustainable doing a lot of great work. I'm sure they could use two more people. The environmental commission's missing the slot. We have a lot of important work to do this fall. So those are those that's the conversation. >> So just I think going back to how
appointments uh since I've been mayor is that be open. conversation don't just like any other business. So once again I'm happy to do it soon. Um the next meeting or I think the
planning board doesn't meet until 15 of September. have two meetings between them. >> So we can do proper so on that I think that's I encourage council members to call each other and talk to each other if they have
candidates and really have a conversation about qualifications and about what you see in candidates to person and move forward on that as well.
the piece that I put in. But just like anything else, >> anybody have any comments? >> I just want to counter that. Listen,
these are volunteers and you know, we kind of signed up for a lot of public review and scrutiny. all ran for office and so that's part of the deal that we made to get elected and reelected. But these are volunteers who are looking to help out with the town. When we talk
about these appointments, it's not about secrecy, but it's about just discretion your publicly on recording. Well, I prefer this person and that person when we have split votes or or conversations.
I just think it's a little awkward. And that's why past. It's not that it's secrecy and about obviously anyone can Oprah our emails and and see you know who we supported but it's just about like protecting a little bit the the
image like and the the people who are applying like it's not uh it's not like a it's a little bit more of a gentle way of doing it by emailing it's not about like it's it's not meant to be an affair it's just
about you So they put them, you know, they've asked to volunteer, but to have a public conversation on who's more qualified is a little a little volunteers and to encourage more people to apply, you know, >> I I see your thoughts. I think we've
done it this way for over two years now and problem. I think what it does council members to talk to each other about offline about who they believe are most candidates really We have two circumstances where that's an issue. It
encourages everybody to talk to the actual candidates which is something that wasn't happening um and go through and have conversations about that. So you don't necessarily have to discuss the amounts of why you think somebody is not qualified
public but it does get down to a vote. should be a conversation probably best way to know why council members are voting certain way process that by all of the business that these communities are doing is being done in public and every member is
subject to publicity so especially for planning boards which is in many ways the policy body so on that council
share thoughts on that. Meetings act issue where we're emailing the protocol separately. She's telling us like this is all fine which is not what we should be doing. It's not fair to the public. So that's I think planning board appointments
before uh all the committees by putting on agenda having a vote and as a matter of fact we've been doing it this way. I don't think we've taken an email, >> right? We we have I don't know if it's
while you I'm pretty sure that we've done it with the uh emailing a ranker. Um not not during your your time as mayor, but I think that while you were on council, we actually done it as that. >> I can kind of see both sides of this. I
very much appreciate, you know, how much you're interested in transparency and seeing we're discussing, but I am also a little bit sensitive to the people that, you know, put their names forward for this. Um, I I kind of feel like it's worked all
right in the past where we've emailed that ranker. If there's a clear, you know, if there's a if someone's got three, you know, if I would say if someone's like number one from three people, then you just put them on as a, you know, as a as an appointment. I don't really I don't want people to
get voted down by the council for volunteer ships in public. Yeah, that's just >> Well, sometimes that that happens when you have the screen, but um anyway, it could happen with any of the things. So, my only I would say that it
that we should do suggestion which is to somebody discuss that because we really need to talk about people's qualifications and why we're choosing committes because that is an important part of determining what
the future of this town is and doing that without having conversations should be concern. I'm also I'm also okay with doing that. We've done that in the past where you know where we have you know we have had
that closed session discussion or we talk it out we try and I mean when we hire our township manager this is how we do this and you know we understand there still has to be a vote and there will be all which is all I was saying in the first place is that we
wanted the council members to discuss you all took a different direction which is that we're going to have a meeting in public but want the council members to really talk to each other session that's fine. that are capable of talking about close session but at the same point if they
want to do it in close that's fine but at the same understand that if there we may not get to a anonymous decision even if we do it in closed session so there's still going to be a point where you don't have a vote in public so all the same things are happening I think you
all took it as different what I was saying which was fine but at that point there would still be the potential for debate on the candidate if people made a motion. So it could all end up in the same thing. We're standing a step which is fine. So
my recommendation is we talk about these in close session at the next meeting and do the appointment and great all done. Uh the appointment for historic preservation will be on the next agenda.
So we can put that actually I'm just going to make I hereby appoint you Schwarz to the historic preservation. >> All right. >> Wait, can I ask two questions? >> Yes. >> Okay. One um like I just got an application for um a committee
yesterday. So, should there be a cut off or should I just be keep distributing to you while you guys >> Why isn't the cut off now? So, anything yesterday, please. >> Okay. Thank you. >> It wasn't historic preservation. >> It It was not.
>> Okay. We're good. >> All right. >> And just for the record, I'm sorry. I apologize planning board because the alternates are class 4. Class 4s are all voted by the governing body. So, you're correct. And there is something interesting to note for council
when I was planning requirements that alternates one and two actually it's not alternate. >> Yeah. Um if something goes out
and but >> we need to ask for Yes, Mr. I don't think we need to technically place them employees, but we can adise them discussing applications.
>> I haven't employees. >> It wouldn't be right, but it would be, you know, some form of just letting them know that they're we thank you for your, you know, we discuss in close. Thank you. because we don't rice our
you just tell them if you just want to inform everybody that's applied the processes that we're discussing in close session session. >> And that's an unexpired term ending 123125 as a class C member for historical preservation.
>> Excellent. Thank you. Um, at this time we'll public comment on any last item anybody wishes to discuss with the council. >> Thank you again, Mayor Council. Uh, I just want to say thank you to the
compromises and the pilot program. I look forward to um seeing that and I I just heard in the last few days I haven't said it is that the um red committee is open to the public. We encourage um all public members to come by I would
say 80% of our conversation I think council agrees basically on the tool um and we we take that seriously and we go through every single recommendation and guidance we can and provide that information to administration and the town council. So we welcome all public
members to We had all great conversation with every field and that was that was wonderful today. I'm glad to see I couldn't make it but uh but we will go through um every single topic and everything that related to recreational committee um as
long um also with the pool as well encourage uh residents to come and uh to give us and give us feedback on topics they want to hear about and topics they want us to discuss because we're to do so um because
a manner that and our committee is really a great committee. I want to thank all of them. It's a very diverse committee. We have uh we have members that are seniors. We have members that are young. We have members uh we have you know four extraordinary women on the committee. Um very very proud of the committee and what we're able to do. So
um I encourage um every pool member please attend the committee please attend the um committee meeting and we try to provide the best recommendations as possible. Thank you very much comments and Cory I right back at you.
Thank you for being the chair of that committee. I think it's what I appreciate the most about the rec a couple I was on the council on that's very helpful
and suggesting that thanks for being here this time I will hear the magic motion like motion close >> motion to adjourn is made by
>> Is there a second on that motion made by Councilman Roman. That is a non-debatable motion, right? Why would anybody want to? >> All those in favor? >> I I suppose the meeting at 8:22 p.m.
>> You never get to hear that. >> We had barely on his