WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=OJe2f59eo7M NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: OJe2f59eo7M): - 00:01:00: Meeting Call to Order, Agenda Adoption, and Minutes - 00:03:17: Dairy Queen Site: Sketch Plan Review Introduction - 00:04:06: Staff Presentation: Location, Zoning, and Existing Conditions - 00:06:17: Sketch Plat Update: Building Layout, Parking, Access - 00:07:19: Conditional Use Permits, Impervious Surface, Site Plans - 00:08:24: Lighting, Signage, Landscaping, and Tree Preservation - 00:09:30: Parking and Drive Aisles, Retail, and Restaurant Uses - 00:11:07: Pedestrian Connections, Parkland Dedication, and Utilities - 00:12:28: Questions for Planning Commission and Next Steps - 00:13:33: Applicant's Presentation: Gateway to Downtown West - 00:14:58: Commission Discussion: Parking Concerns and Food Options - 00:16:42: Commission Discussion: Entrance Location Considerations - 00:18:03: Parking Concerns, Building Uses, and Tree Relocation - 00:19:27: Reviewing the Final Plat and Traffic Congestion Concerns - 00:20:45: Preliminary Application Plans and Building Design - 00:22:06: Drive-Thru Traffic Flow Concerns and Traffic Study - 00:23:49: Traffic Flow Direction and Roundabout Considerations - 00:25:08: No Formal Motion Needed, Moving to Miscellaneous Section - 00:26:32: Staff Updates: Meeting Cancellation and Vacancy - 00:27:37: Commissioner Updates: Missing Middle Discussion - 00:28:27: Adjournment Motion and Meeting Conclusion Part: 1 1 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:17.840 I will now good evening. I will now call the meeting to order. Our first agenda item is the evening's open forum. The open form is an opportunity for anyone to address the commission on an item that is not in the agenda and is not an 2 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:32.400 applicant form that will be coming to the commission at a future date. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to address the planning commission on an agenda and is not an applicant application that will be coming before 3 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:50.720 the commission at a future date. little echoy. Feels a little echoey if I may say. Seeing no one is uh no one, we will now move on to adopting the final agenda. Commissioners, our next item is to adopt 4 00:01:50.720 --> 00:02:06.399 the final agenda. May I have a motion to adopt the final agenda? >> So moved. >> So moved. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> All right. We have a motion made by Autoader and a second by uh Shower. Um, 5 00:02:06.399 --> 00:02:26.080 all those in favor and thank you. Um, any opposed? Um, so all those in favor? >> I. >> Um, thank you. The motion carries. 6 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:43.599 >> Our first item is item 4.1. Approve the planning commission meeting minutes from April 7th, 2026. May I have a motion to approve the minutes? >> I get a second. >> Second. 7 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:59.840 >> Okay, we have a motion made by and a second by no >> Anthony Claude. >> Anthony Claude. Okay, I'm sorry that wrong. My apologies. Um, all those in favor? 8 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:17.280 >> I Okay. >> Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion carries. Uh our second item uh for discussion tonight is item 4.2, which is the sketch plan request for the 9 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:33.760 Dairy Queen site. The sketch plan review is the initial stage of review that the planning commission reviews and considers regarding development proposals. There are no formal actions or recommendations to be taken by the planning commission 10 00:03:33.760 --> 00:03:50.720 at the sketch flat review. The sketch flat review process is intended for the applicant to receive initial feedback from the planning commission and from the city council in advance of any necessary preliminary plan or reszoning applications. 11 00:03:50.720 --> 00:04:06.879 I will now turn it over to the city planner Brian McCann for staff presentation. Thank you, chair and commissioners. Wow, that mic is sensitive. Um, so yes, um, I'm actually gonna look to our IT manager just to make sure we are 12 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:55.759 broadcasting the presentation for all the commissioners. We go. Great. Thank you. Uh so yes, we are considering a sketch plat application tonight for the former Dairy Queen located at 2120 Arboritum Boulevard. Uh as the chair mentioned 13 00:04:55.759 --> 00:05:12.320 this evening, they have submitted a sketch plat for consideration by the plane commission city council, but There aren't any approvals to be taken during this meeting. Uh it's just to provide guidance to the applicant as they work through any subsequent preliminary plat submittals in the future. Um I will note 14 00:05:12.320 --> 00:05:28.160 that in this presentation you'll see some exhibits that are different than the ones that were in your case. We did receive a revised plan set uh after. So you'll see all the latest and greatest plans in this presentation this evening. 15 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:44.880 Then for the location and existing conditions, as I mentioned, it's at 2120 Arboritum Boulevard. It's about 0.88 acres in size. Uh currently consists of a vacant building, formerly the formerly the Dairy Queen site and it also has 37 16 00:05:44.880 --> 00:06:01.199 parking stalls on site. It is adjacent to the future downtown west development and the daycare that is existing today to the north. It also has uh access points to County Road 11 or Victoria Drive to the west and highway 5 to the 17 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:17.680 south. And right now the property stands at about 67% impervious coverage. So this is the updated sketch plat with the latest revisions that I mentioned. Uh you might remember previously that the western building was shifted about 18 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:33.440 90 degrees um counterclockwise. So they are still proposing two commercial buildings. The first one being 1900 square feet here and the second being 2300 square feet here. Uh the western building is proposed to have a 19 00:06:33.440 --> 00:06:47.520 drive-thru with dual lane uh stacking here with capacity up to 15 vehicles. They are also proposing 43 parking stalls throughout the site. They are taking away that access that exists right now onto Highway 5, but they're 20 00:06:47.520 --> 00:07:04.479 retaining the access to County Road 11. The property is currently zoned central business district and guided downtown mixed use in our 2040 comprehensive plan. This means that um your typical commercial uses are generally uh 21 00:07:04.479 --> 00:07:19.840 permitted or conditional within these districts. Uh specifically drive-thrus and permanent outdoor dining areas. Those are two uh uses that we require conditional use permits for per our zoning code. So, we anticipate that 22 00:07:19.840 --> 00:07:35.840 those will be applied for with the preliminary plat plans. Moving on, this is also within our shoreland overlay district because it's within 1,000 ft of Auburn Lake. Commercial uses within the shoreland district are another conditional use. 23 00:07:35.840 --> 00:07:51.360 So, we anticipate three conditional use permits with the preliminary plat. Um, they also have a maximum 80% imperous surface requirement. The site as I mentioned right now is about 67% 24 00:07:51.360 --> 00:08:08.319 impervious. They are proposing 78.7% in this latest plan. So we don't anticipate any variance being required for building materials lighting and signage. We will require site plan and building materials applications so that 25 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:24.479 we can see renderings and proposed exterior materials for the buildings and also confirm that they meet our elevated design requirements in our central business district. They are proposing eight street lights with this project. So, the area should be sufficiently lit, 26 00:08:24.479 --> 00:08:40.000 but we'll want to evaluate any building lighting that may be considered in future revisions as well as any signage plans uh regarding development signage, monument signage, wall signage. So, we anticipate all those with future 27 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:57.200 submitts as well. Moving on to landscaping and tree preservation. They did provide some landscaping plans uh with their sketch plat showing tree plantings around the proximity of the site and then a lot of shrubs and perennials within the 28 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:13.440 development specifically around the foundations in accordance with our code. Uh the central business district though is exempt from open space and minimum planting requirements. And then with the tree preservation plan, there are four larger significant 29 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:30.399 trees on the site. They are proposing to remove 100% of the existing significant trees. And uh the applicant has noted that they would be seeking an exemption similar to our downtown west development which received an exemption for um 30 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:45.920 replanting requirements due to the urban development nature that's occurring downtown. Then for parking and drive aisles, they do have a 26 foot wide drive aisle which would basically serve as an extension of 31 00:09:45.920 --> 00:10:01.680 the main street with the downtown west development. Uh they are also looking at um the retail and food uses for these two buildings as noted on the plan here. Um I took this in three different ways. 32 00:10:01.680 --> 00:10:18.320 So, if you were to evaluate the entire 4,200 square feet as retail, they would need only 16 parking stalls for the entire site. If both were restaurants, for example, they would need 76 parking stalls for the entire site. Uh likely 33 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:34.640 what could happen here is a blend of retail and restaurants. So, we'll evaluate that further when we know what the uses are specifically, but they are providing 43 stalls within the site. And then also uh in case they do have a larger restaurant footprint or they 34 00:10:34.640 --> 00:10:52.399 exceed that 43 uh stalls, we know that this building I'm highlighting here with my cursor was previously planned to be a drive-thru restaurant. We anticipate that that's going to go away since they're no longer showing a drive-thru in the latest renderings for this building. So we anticipate retail and 35 00:10:52.399 --> 00:11:07.839 there could be some additional parking capacity that can make up for that change. Then regarding pedestrian connections, they are showing a concrete sidewalk as well as a concrete patio for outdoor dining for the retail food building here 36 00:11:07.839 --> 00:11:23.760 on the west. And then they are also showing a connection on County Road 11 to the regional trail in this area that also runs along Highway 5. Regarding parkland dedication, our code exempts commercial developments less 37 00:11:23.760 --> 00:11:38.640 than an acre in size from parkland dedication requirements. So we don't anticipate any fee or land with this uh development, but it also is in close proximity to uh the future central green and public plaza with downtown west, so 38 00:11:38.640 --> 00:11:54.800 it's not entirely needed. Then for wetlands uh storm water management and site utilities, it is within the MCWD's area. So it's um up to the applicant to comply with their rules and regulations, but we don't anticipate 39 00:11:54.800 --> 00:12:11.760 any uh wetland impacts given the current condition of the site. They are also proposing additional regional storm water, which you may remember from the downtown west development, and they are hoping to also tie that into uh the Highway 5 system. Our engineering team 40 00:12:11.760 --> 00:12:28.240 is looking at that more closely. And then lastly, they are proposing to extend sewer and water to the site um from the downtown west development and interconnect with the existing systems out here. 41 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:44.800 So with that, I do have some questions for the plan commission to help guide the discussion if needed this evening. These were included in your packet. um just some highlevel questions to help guide the discussion if needed and then I will go back to that slide but then 42 00:12:44.800 --> 00:13:01.360 just for the general audience and for the plan commission's knowledge next steps for this it is uh tentatively scheduled to go to our city council meeting on Monday May 11th as part of their workshop meeting uh if you wanted to attend to listen to the conversation 43 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:15.440 you're more than welcome but the city council will likely not be taking any comments during that And then if the applicant receives favorable feedback, they'll likely work on preliminary PLA plans which you guys will review in the coming months if it 44 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:33.040 all works out. So with that, staff can stand for any questions you have and there are representatives of the application in the audience this evening. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, does the applicant wish to speak? 45 00:13:33.040 --> 00:13:49.680 >> Sure. I am Carl Bron, Monarch Development um plan commissioners. Uh we thought it was really important for downtown West, which you saw downtown west and approved and now it's under construction as you can see over there. It was really important to acquire the Dairy Queen property uh to incorporate 46 00:13:49.680 --> 00:14:05.519 into the larger vision of Downtown West, especially as a gateway site driving west uh for all the growing neighborhoods going that direction west. Um so we're we're exciting that we have control. It was difficult uh to to get control uh contractually with that property owner. Uh but we are looking 47 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:21.920 right now at um the reason we don't have architecture there yet is we're trying to solve the site plan to integrate with these uses and with downtown west and a connection point to the new main street we platted. Um so the the uses are when we come for preliminary plat uh we'll have more architecture defined then 48 00:14:21.920 --> 00:14:37.760 regarding uh the brand standards for the it's a coffee two coffee users we're talking to right now for the corner and then uh fast casual um for the building next door uh that's meant to blend in with the overall design theme for downtown west which is why the buildings 49 00:14:37.760 --> 00:14:58.560 are closer to highway 5 and not set back you know like a typical suburban project so the parking's behind and connects to main streets is the big idea. So I wanted to share that background before we go into further discussion. >> Thank you for that. Um 50 00:14:58.560 --> 00:15:17.120 so excuse me. Thank you. I will now open the floor to the planning commission for discussion. Commissioners, are there any questions or comments? >> I guess I'll start off. I'm a little worried if we're were already discussing 51 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:31.199 having one be a coffee shop and one being a fast casual of the parking situation, which I know always sounds like a broken record when we talk about parking in downtown. Um, but I just get a little concerned right off the bat if we already know that that's going to be 52 00:15:31.199 --> 00:15:52.079 two food options, the parking around that area. >> Yeah. uh the the uh the actual amount of seats inside the coffee shops both are it's more drive-thru driven than it is indoor 53 00:15:52.079 --> 00:16:07.759 seating. So I you know we we also have a in downtown west on Main Street we have a bakery concept that has coffee as well that's more of a sitdown environment. So we're we intentionally did not want to see a coffee user here that is um more of a sit down option than more this is 54 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:24.160 more auto oriented in that case. So, we're optimistic anyway. It'll be the fast casual restaurant is where most of the parking is used and overflow parking that exists in the building to the west side of downtown west. Um, that we'll talk about as well. >> Thank you. Thank you. And I think one of 55 00:16:24.160 --> 00:16:42.639 the things is Yeah. It's like what is a restaurant to me definitionally? Yeah. if it's what are our definitions on more fast food drive. Um other questions I 56 00:16:42.639 --> 00:17:00.720 know I had one tree >> I had a question about um the uh the entryway uh is there a possibility of putting entryway on the like north what it northeast side like because I think the future for this place is um 57 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:15.039 the rest of it's going to be developed right between Victoria Drive and Highway 5. So, if the entrance were on the north east side, then it would not really cause traffic jams like it would on Victoria like I'm like there's potential 58 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:31.280 for right now. It seems overall map that shows us how it connects to downtown west the final plat. I do not have the final plat on hand at the site. I can find something really quick if you just give me a minute if 59 00:17:31.280 --> 00:17:47.280 you want to answer >> other questions in the meantime. >> Yeah, just just for background was this site plan is being conceived. We worked with these two and Mark Colstus as a consulting landscape architect of how to integrate the Dairy Queen site with downtown west and there's 10 iterations 60 00:17:47.280 --> 00:18:03.840 and this is the iteration that made the most sense which there's some more when he shows the overall image it'll make a little more sense I think too in that case >> so it'll be right in right out >> um off Highway five right in right out and then yeah same thing off Highway 11 right in right out um in that case 61 00:18:03.840 --> 00:18:19.919 >> I had the same concern as commissioner shower parking we'll be watching closely as this advances and that in turn depends on the uses of building A and building B which I'm guessing you don't know quite yet >> right we don't we don't know exactly the the parking demand of each um other than 62 00:18:19.919 --> 00:18:38.160 these concepts exist in in downtown Wisetta together in the same building and we're observing how the markets respond to parking needs there so >> very good >> I guess one of the ones that I remember too when you get that up We're done with 63 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:55.840 the visual was a tree that I read about maybe in a placement in a corner. Could I read that right or the notes? >> Um, chair and commissioners. Yes, I know which tree you are talking about and 64 00:18:55.840 --> 00:19:12.000 that tree has since been relocated. Um there was a tree placed a little bit closer here where staff had some concerns about sight lines coming off of um the roundabout and off of Victoria Drive here. They did relocate that a 65 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:27.280 little bit closer to the stall to help clear up that sight triangle. >> And then going to the final plat here. Uh plans are a little bit slow to load. So, I'll just go to the plat. Um, for the benefit of 66 00:19:27.280 --> 00:19:43.840 everyone's knowledge, here are the four commercial buildings that are within the downtown west third edition final plat. Outlot D here is anticipated to be another building in the future. That was that one that I had stated earlier in my 67 00:19:43.840 --> 00:20:00.799 presentation that was going to be a drive-thru user. Um, it's now anticipated to be converted to retail. So, um modifying the layout of Main Street here to curve up through the northeast corner of the Dairy Queen site just 68 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:17.760 wouldn't work um based on how the plat approvals occurred for the previous edition, which um Commissioner Claude is new and wasn't part of those conversations. So, I I get why um the confusion was there, but that's just background knowledge for everyone and I 69 00:20:17.760 --> 00:20:45.280 hope that clarifies things. you know on the big picture question I don't have the answer to this but in terms of it would be deemed a separate project so therefore it wouldn't have the commonality of the parking kind of 70 00:20:45.280 --> 00:21:00.720 within walking distance of it overflow I'm sure that conversation is going to come at some point just add background here again that um we plan to come with a preliminary PL application with the Dairy Queen site and the western building that's 71 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:16.080 currently an out lot that's platted we're currently designing that western building there he's pointing out lot D um with architecture that looks more like Main Street the four buildings that are being built out there so uh we plan to come back with that folded into the Dairy Queen application you know that 72 00:21:16.080 --> 00:21:32.559 building a lot the two Dairy Queen buildings the Dairy Queen site buildings that parking, how it all connects that way. >> Okay. Because again, I know you're the same developer, so I was wondering. >> Yeah, it's a this is Yeah. all meant to knit together between the the type of uses, the parking, the landscaping. It's 73 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:48.320 just it's harder to explain it when when Brian just had just the Dairy Queen site. We need to really see it in its totality. >> Correct. And when you drive up there, you definitely get a sense for where it's headed. >> Yes. Yeah. and even including the power lines that are at the Dairy Queen site. We're going to relocate those and bury 74 00:21:48.320 --> 00:22:06.159 them and just make it feel more seamless between the main street we're building and spend all this time on with Dairy Queen with the former Dairy Queen site. >> Other comments or questions, thoughts? >> The other thought I had is in the 75 00:22:06.159 --> 00:22:22.159 drive-thru as people pull out, I'm a little concerned because that the right in right out on west of it on the left side of the image. I'm worried about cars speeding in there and then people also trying to 76 00:22:22.159 --> 00:22:40.559 get out of the round out of the drive-thru as well and all the people parked right there. So, just seems a little congested on that area. Just makes me concerned for one, how people drive and uh two just how much 77 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:56.559 we're going to be packing in that section. does look like there's a right in and then people have to go past the intersection within the parking lot and then loop around and so the right in is conflicting with the left that they have 78 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:15.919 to take uh to then go right out onto Victoria Drive might recommend for the plenary play application is a traffic stop if you think so like some kind of diagram diagrams that show traffic flow at different times of the day of how this 79 00:23:15.919 --> 00:23:32.159 works because it might be helpful because of the curb cut moving as Brian said from the Dairy Queen site over to the main artery into downtown west that that you know how does that flow then with people driving off Highway 5 or off Highway 11 and coming into the coffee drive-thru or to the fast casual or to 80 00:23:32.159 --> 00:23:49.919 building five or the outlot building and then over to Main Street. So there's a lot going on over here that be helpful to show maybe in a traffic flow diagram in that case. Yeah, in my mind starting with the idea of, you know, maybe turning the traffic 81 00:23:49.919 --> 00:24:06.559 flow just the opposite, then it would be a turn right in. But I think what you're getting at is there's going to be more traffic coming from the right side. >> There's going to be more flow coming. >> I think so. That that there's um the 82 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:22.240 roundabout's going to change traffic patterns over there, too, once it's in. But it's um a lot of people are going to if they're coming from the west, take the roundabout to Highway 11 and turn right in. Or if they're coming westbound, we'll do right in at the the artery coming into downtown west, which 83 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:38.080 is a large parking lot. And then to the right is Main Street with four buildings in the public plaza. And to the left, the new building plus the two uh the coffee coffee building and the fast casual building. I would imagine there's more traffic going to be coming in from that side to 84 00:24:38.080 --> 00:24:52.799 that site. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. My other thought too is if if there's a morning backup of coffee orders, where are all those cars going to be going off into the parking area? 85 00:24:52.799 --> 00:25:08.720 And I just want to make sure that like as we are looking at this whole design and that this is just preliminary. These are just thoughts and opinions and >> all that, but I think really taking a look at the whole area and that traffic 86 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:24.400 study and seeing, >> you know, that roundabout that's going to be coming in, people are going to be flying in on the right, pulling right in. Um, there's just going to be a lot going on right there. So, >> yeah, we've all been in coffee drive-throughs that get really popular and we're trying to avoid stacking that 87 00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:39.600 goes all the way out to Highway Five, which Minda doesn't want. We don't want uh highway 11, we don't want the same thing either. So it's that's one of the reasons why we designed for now two two lanes of versus one >> just to overcome that if there's a 8 o'clock in the morning. It's really 88 00:25:39.600 --> 00:25:55.200 really packed in there. So >> there won't be much other retail open at that hour anyway. >> Right. Right. >> Yeah. At this point it's really let's say it's 8 in the morning on a weekday with our merchandising plan of 12 tenants we're working with right now. It would really be coffee user and this 89 00:25:55.200 --> 00:26:10.640 bakery user that'd be open. we don't foresee others. Maybe the Pilates studio, you know, the fitness place would be, but that's about it. So, nighttime is really what we're trying to solve for, just like downtown Victoria now, where how does this function with three restaurants at night and the fast casual if they're if they have traffic 90 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:32.960 at night? Um, so we're thinking more about that right now with peak traffic times. >> Any other ideas? Okay. Um well, commissioners hearing no more uh discussion. This request does not 91 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:48.480 require formal motion. So this this concludes our discussion item. Moving on to the miscellaneous section of our agenda. Are there any reports from staff? >> Yes. Thank you, chair. A few updates for everyone. We do not have any discussion 92 00:26:48.480 --> 00:27:03.919 items for the May 19th meeting. So, we will be cancelling our next plane commission meeting. I believe the next one is on June 2nd. Pulling up the calendar on the computer just to be sure. Yep, Tuesday, June 2nd. 93 00:27:03.919 --> 00:27:21.039 So, uh keep that one open. We might have some items for that one. Also, uh just a heads up, we do have the one vacancy for an alternate position on the plane commission. The city council is holding interviews for that on Monday evening during their workshop along with this 94 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:37.600 Dairy Queen item. So, if you're curious about that, feel free to tune in. Um, and then lastly, I had on my list that Victoria and Bloom is next Saturday, May 16th. Uh, that will be an all day event with downtown businesses open and spring 95 00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:53.440 activities. So, be sure to get out here and visit our downtown during that time. That's all from staff. Right. Thank you. Are there any reports or updates from commissioners? 96 00:27:53.440 --> 00:28:08.240 >> Has there been any more updates on that missing middle or have they gone silent on that lately? >> Uh, Commissioner Shard, that is a good question. It did make its way up uh the works a little bit further. Um, but at 97 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:27.600 that stage, it actually did not pass. I believe it was a four to five vote. So, I'm guessing that we'll still come back at a future date, but as of right now, it's halted. >> Thank you. >> Anything? Anything? 98 00:28:27.600 --> 00:28:44.559 A quicker meeting tonight then? Um, commissioners, there are no more items for this evening. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> I get a second. >> Second. Uh those in favor? >> I. 99 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:51.799 >> Any opposed? >> Thank you. The motion carries. We are return.