Yeah, I'm ready when you are. >> Good evening everyone. and welcome to the regular meeting of Vinland City Council on Tuesday, February 24th, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. Roll call, please. >> Dr. Arthur, >> here. >> Council member English, >> here. >> Council member Vargas,
>> here. >> Vice President Gomez, >> here. >> And President Spanelli, >> here. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and
justice for all. >> Public notice that this meeting pursuant to the open public's meeting act has been given by the city clerk on December 12th, 2025 in the following manner. Posting writt notice on the official bulletin board of the lobby of city hall. providing written notice to the offices of the daily journal press of
Atlantic City in the violin voice and filing written notice in the office of the city clerk of the city of violin. >> Chair entertain a motion that the uh premeating conference regular meeting of February 10th and a work session of February 17th 2026 be approved as submitted move
>> second discussion. >> Sorry none >> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English here. >> Council member [clears throat] Vargas. >> Yes. >> Vice President Gomez. Yes. >> President Spanelli. >> Yes. >> Mr. President, I present resolution
number 2026-61. A resolution recognizing Carmen Carter upon retiring from public service effective March 1, 2026. >> Chair entertains a motion and resolution number 2026-61 be adopted according to law. >> Second. >> Discussion. >> Seeing none.
>> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English. >> Yes. >> Council member Vargas. Yes. >> Vice President Gomez. >> Yes. >> President Spanelli. >> Yes. Is Carmen here? No. No. Okay. We will read that in. Just put that into
the record. Rich, please. Yep. Yes, sir. >> Mr. President, I present resolution 2026-62. A resolution recognizing David Donahghue upon retiring from public service March 1, 2026. >> Chair entertains a motion resolution number 2026-62 be adopted according to
law. >> So move. >> Second. Discussion. >> None. >> Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English. >> Yes. >> Council member Vargas. >> Yes. >> Vice President Gomez. >> Yes. >> President Spanelli.
>> Yes. Is David here? Come on up, please. >> Yes. [clears throat] >> I'll read the resolution in. >> Congratulations. Congratulations, sir. Thank you. >> Whereas David Donahghue began his career
with the city of Vinland on February 28th, 205. Whereas David has furthered the city's mission by providing valuable public service to the Violent community. And whereas David has earned the respect and confidence of his co-workers and employer throughout his many years of
faithful service. Whereas David Donnie, who has earned a well-deserved retirement from the city of Vinland effective March 1st, 2026, ending his public service career in the department of municipal utilities as supervising line worker. Now therefore, be it
resolved that the mayor and the council of the city of Ireland extend their sincere thanks and appreciation to David Donahghue for a career of loyal and meritorious service with best wishes for many years of health and happiness. Congratulations. Thank you.
>> [applause] >> No, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> You like to say anything? >> No, I'm good. >> Good. [laughter] >> Best of luck. [clears throat] We'll >> open up the public portion comment of the meeting. Public comment provides an opportunity for members of the public to
inform the governing body about their views. The governing body prescribes the city council's bylaws and the New Jersey statutes on open public meetings when engaging during public comment. As such, each individual shall have a fiveminute limit to comment, cannot yield time to another individual, may only approach
the podium once during public comment for anyone topic. Vulgar offensive language is prohibited, and city council will not engage in dialogue with the public during this time. The governing body maintains model courtesy and respect and requires the members of the public to do the same. >> Rich, did you take
>> blue sheet? Okay, go ahead. >> So I have first I have Maryanne Lyelli. Maryanne Lyelli followed by Kate Delaney. >> State your name, where you live, please. >> Maryanne Lyelli, Vinland, New Jersey.
Good evening. I would like to speak about the resolution to amend the bylaws regarding the change in minutes to the public portion of council meetings. I used the YouTube video presentations of the council meetings to gather information regarding meaning meeting
minutes running from 2023 to 2026. While they may differ slightly from Mr. Franchetta's recording of the minutes. I feel they are more than likely within the ballpark. Prior to discussions regarding the data
center meeting minutes averaged between 30 and 40 minutes per meeting because the data center because of the data center, these meeting lengths spiked. Concerned residents are doing their
research. They're presenting their findings and their concerns to the council. Sometimes topics to be discussed are more complicated than others. If people are doing their research, it means they care and their voices deserve to be
heard. Some people may take longer to make their point, but they still deserve that same courtesy. Surely the concerns of the >> Excuse me, Miss Lyelli. It's not a concert. We're not going to yell out. If you're going to yell out,
you can leave. Thank you. >> Surely the concerns of the residents regarding important matters are worth 5 minutes of time. This is our community. I respectfully request to keep the public portion limit at 5 minutes per
person. Now on to a followup of a previous question I had raised at another meeting regarding the status of the independent environmental study. I understand that my emails I have sent several emails to
city hall have been forwarded to Mr. Tanetta. Has this study been received as of yet? >> Mr. Tanetta, did we get any environmental studies or anything? >> Um, not at this point. No, but I understand that they're either have been
completed or be completed shortly. >> And if we wanted to receive a copy, we would contact city hall. >> They'll be filed. They'll be filed with the u with the land use board. >> Okay. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. >> Kate Delaney. Kate Delaney. Followed by Heidi Yay. Sorry if I mispronounced it. Yay. >> Good evening. State your name where you live. >> Sure. Kate Delaney of Collingswood. Um, hi, my name is Kate Delaney and I'm the South Jersey organizer for Food and
Water Watch. I'm here in solidarity with community members opposed to the Data One proposal. At previous meetings, I raised concerns about the air, water, and climate impact of this proposal. Tonight, I would like to address another component of the revised site plan that has just been made public. Specifically,
I would like to express my extreme concern about the LG facility and the LG storage tank that are now part of the plan. For five years, I was part of a campaign to stop a proposed LG export terminal in Gibbstown. During that time, I became deeply knowledgeable about the
unique safety hazards of liqufied natural gas or LNG. An LG leak can cause a boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion. Bleaked LG forms a cloud of low-lying natural gas that drifts until it hits an ignition source, even simple
static electricity, and bursts into flames. An LG releases release boils furiously into a flammable va vapor cloud 620 times larger than the storage container. An unignited groundhogging vapor cloud can move far distances, and
exposure to the vapor can cause extreme freeze burns. If in an enclosed space, it affixiates causing death. If ignited, the fire is inextinguishable. A resulting pool fire so hot that secondary burns can occur within 5 seconds for those exposed within 69
miles and 10 seconds of exposure could be fatal. The explosive force of LG is similar to a theoric explosion. A catastrophically powerful bomb. The 2016 US emergency response guide book advises fire chiefs to immediately evacuate the
surrounding onem area. No federal field research has shown how far the vapor cloud can travel. So in Washington, a recent LG fire, they evacuated a two-mile radius. Additionally, spillage of LG into water presents a hazardous situation where
water quickly transfers heat to liquid methane, causing it to expand with explosive speed that can result in damage to nearby structures. Explosions can occur and have a cascading effect as the vapor clouds moves down downwind, threatening public safety, human life,
and the environment. In short, allowing LG in your community put res puts residents at an unprecedented and unjustifiable risk. Speaking on the dangers of LG facilities, the former chair of the Federal Energy Regulation Commission or FK, Richard Glick, said
this. People who live in these communities have very legitimate reasons to be concerned about these facilities, whether it's evacuation plans or just plans and what's going to be put there, what the dangers are of explo exposion, and all sorts of other potential issues. In my opinion, they aren't necessarily
receiving the information they need to receive. The people of Vinland have not received information about the dangers of LNG. Charles Benet might be trying to distract people with his data center grown tomatoes, but what he's really delivering is a potential environmental catastrophe for Vinland. Thank you.
>> Thank you. [applause] >> Heidi, >> please state your name, where you live. >> Hello, Heidi. Yay. I am a resident of Cherry Hill Township. I'm the uh policy director of the Pinelands Alliance. And so I'm coming down here from Cherry Hill
where my kids are probably playing right now with Legos and Duplos. We like to build something new every day to keep things fresh. Um as I review the plans for the data center here in Vineland, it seems like you're about to build something new every day. These plans are
changing dramatically. As I'm playing with my daughter, if she decides to build her Lego restaurant next to the stuffed animals, there's not much consequence to that, but we feel that it is being treated as a children's game. Um, the way that the Vinland data
center um the data one um how it's been placed in the heart of these communities um that we want to stand in solidarity with. This is not the best location for this kind of thing and it's bringing in many environmental harms that will be of consequence to both the Vineland
residents as well as our environment such as the Kirkwood Khanzi aquifer that you share with the Pinelands. So we ask that you do your due diligence, ask all the right questions um and really hold the developer to account on this issue.
Thank you. Thank you very much, [applause] >> President. That's all that's uh that have signed up. Is there anyone that has not signed up? >> Like to speak. Get in line over here if you'd like to. And then
come on, sir. State your name, please. Where you live. >> Thank you. My name is Bailey Wer and I live in Maze Landing. This room would not be full of people if we didn't feel like there was something important at stake. The impact this
project will have across utility bills and the environment with regard to the data center is huge. And the need for transparent politics that puts people above profits is non-negotiable. After months of community members
showing up and asking questions, suddenly there's a proposal to cut public speaking time from five minutes to three minutes. And people are asking why now? Because when the community starts paying attention and asking tough
questions, the answer shouldn't be less public input. The answer should be to listen. Three minutes, that's what the residents of this city are worth to you. Meanwhile, massive developers get total access.
Who do you work for? You can try to cut our mic, but this community will not be silenced. We are here because we care. And this isn't just about one project and one city. What happens in Vinland today
becomes the model for Bridgen tomorrow and maybe the rest of South Jersey after that. The community, the folks who live here need to have a say. You're giving big tech companies based thousands of miles away all the power and access.
What about the power and access here in Violent and South Jersey? We are not against innovation, but there needs to be accountability and assurances that residents won't be paying a higher cost. Higher utility bills, pressure on our
water supply, noise impact. These are real concerns that need to be addressed. People are asking a very simple question. Who benefits and who takes on the risk? Because when you're talking about water, energy, and land, and
long-term community impact, those aren't small details. That's everyday life for the people who live here. And if there's nothing to hide, then data 1 should be here to answer these questions. We're not saying no to jobs or investment. We're saying no to
working people bearing costs for a project without transparency. And if this project is as amazing as you say it is, it can stand up to an independent review. We sent a petition to Governor Mikey Cheryl. It had six,600 signatures from
New Jerseyians because the stakes here are so big and there needs to be transparency. Now, if there is nothing to hide, then how come when I sent a letter to the CEO and chairman of Datawan asking if they were paying any current or former New Jersey public
officials or family members, there was no response. We deserve to know. >> And you're you're getting very close to the edge of saying someone's on the take. >> No. >> So, I will say to you now, since you've
seen the no, you need to know. No one on this panel, no one sitting down here, nor anybody in the mayor's office has gotten any money or is invested. >> All right? And if you have something to say in the back, please stand up
>> and I'll respond to you. If not, be quiet. >> We don't know. We're just asking questions. >> And I'm telling you, >> okay, >> that is a fact. >> And that extends to family members of public officials >> to everybody up here. It does. Okay.
Well, that brings me to my next point. If there's [clears throat] nothing to hide, then great. But when you talk about cutting our speaking time from 5 minutes to three, rest assured we will still show up. We will still ask questions and we'll keep
speaking up. If you want quiet, guess again. Because this isn't just about one agenda item. It's not just about one city council meeting. It's about whether regular people still have a voice when big decisions are being made. And we're
not going anywhere. Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] Next, please state your name, where you live. I'm Diane Gity. I live in Vineland. Part of my problem with how the council
has been towards us is that when I was a child, my father was best friends with the mayor. When my children were growing up in Collins Lakes, I was a part of going to all the meetings helping everybody. Mayor Chuck Sharillo, Teresa Kelly, they were a part of my children's
lives. They saw them at baseball games. We had dinner and I was very involved with the council. You make it like we're not supposed to be here. And I have a right to expect you as your constituent to help us.
And right now, no one feels like you're helping. You're going to take our time down when most people are done speaking in three minutes anyway. You should give everybody the right because there are certain people who speak slower. There are certain people who are shaking. There are people who
are extremely upset about this because they have health concerns already. And what the data center is going to do is make them sicker. And I don't know about them, but I personally have no funds to move right now. And I didn't really want to leave
Vinland. You have an excellent school system. They are fantastic for special needs. It is superior to almost every other district in the city in the state. to leave here
when I just found out two of my three grandchildren that live with me have difficulties and are gonna have difficulties is a problem. It matters because Malachi has autism. It matters because Wyatt, we just found out, has musculardrophe. There are many things in place in
Vinland. The farming, this is the most beautiful part of New Jersey. We are the biggest city and you want to destroy it. I understand you think AI is wonderful. It's not. If it's going to cause people
to get sick, lose their homes, or have to move because they don't like the noise when they picked a part of where there [snorts] wasn't anything. You're not being fair and we voted you in. And it seems like all you want to do is
say, "Nah, it doesn't matter. It's not important. Make Diane shut up sooner. Like I really don't understand where we're coming from. And I have always had a good relationship with city councils in the past. Y'all threw us under the
bus with no warning. I don't feel that that is fair. How much did you win by? because I have a very strong feeling none of you are winning next time because you've really made us feel like what we think and what
we have to say [clears throat] does not matter. And it is important to the people of Vinland to know you actually do care. Maybe not make faces when you're up there because more than once I've had faces made at me. Maybe not throw people
out for just trying to say what needs to be said. By the way, I've never cursed. Thank you very much for both things. Next, please state your name, where you live.
>> Evening, council. Uh name is Matt Williams, uh from Vineland. Um three months ago, I asked um the following questions to consider. What does preventative maintenance of the closed loop look like? And where does the waste go to flush, clean, and prime this
system? The only answers I've really seen um provided were a never proven at scale bio-engineered algae will eat volatile emissions and a new site plan that we're aware of now shows biosludge waste contained on site. Those are only
answers. I could harp on how disingenuous a CEO claiming a community going to public records is his version of transparency to celebrate his ventures. It doesn't take much to see where he underdelivers on his promises. He said 45 days for an innovation that
will change the world forever. [snorts] It took well more than a 100 days and a whole community organizing to get those answers. Now it feels like most of the concerns that have been mentioned finally take shape on this new plan. There are
massive acoustic BMS that are there to attenuate sound, which will only get worse. The plans have, picture this, 500 14t wide fans that are going to constantly be running
to chill this closed loop system. How loud will that be until those BMS are up? I want to note that those fans, they announced their contract in August. Bergen Engines announced their contracts
for initial loads in June and their full supply in November with a note that it was originally conceived as a 100 megawatt facility and has grown four-fold. So, there's just conflicting information everywhere the more that we dig into this. The perfected plans that
the city has right now are are from July. [snorts] So, who knows what and when? I've watched resolutions come and go related very specifically to upgrades at Clayville and preemptive purchase of
Noxy mission credits that are for reasons extraordinary and unspecifiable. So, are we all going to wait and see and react until the community learns something new themselves again? What happens if any of you decide to
vote no from listening to the community right now? I'm sorry we didn't show up months and months and months ago. We're learning as we go. But there's one thing that just constantly bugs me from that town hall is can somebody clarify what the CEO
explained that the mayor would announce in digital citizen cards with a claim for produce basket once a week. He didn't mention it in a state of the city address just like the data center. Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause]
>> State your name please. The city you live in. >> Hi, I'm Larry from Vineland and I'm going to start off by asking Northeast Precast is a minority owner in data 1. Does anybody in the city council own any type of stock in Northeast Pre-Cast? Anybody in the city at all?
>> No. >> Not known. All right. Um, this LG tank ain't even the first change from the site plans. Uh, the city, we're just not even allowed to be in the loop of this. How many more sight plans are they going to make? And with how hard it was pushed to be in the city, I got to ask, did you know these
site plans were coming like these changes were going to happen? >> [snorts] >> I want to also point out how I went to Bridgetton and I went to talk about how the possibility of them having a data center over there and I got to talk to the business business administrator and he sat down and had a whole conversation
with me on and talked to me through the whole entire process and how it would go. So they don't own the property yet but he start from finish this guy took 30 minutes out of his time and explained to me and Shashana how exactly this all works and how exactly the next step would be and how exactly the last step
would be. And every single time the public would be able to comment, he told us at which step that would be. Um, the minutes cut. Two people in the entire time I've been here have gone over the minutes. It was me and Pat. And you are perfectly cool with Pat going over five
minutes. That's all. Thank you. [applause] >> State your name, please. Where you live. >> Good evening. My name is Laura Mallet. I live in Vinand. Um I am also here to talk about the AI uh data center and how
for one, the fact that there's still not an environmental study done speaks of either Charles wanting this to go away magically, which isn't happening, or it just speaks of
just trying to draw it out that maybe people will forget. No, we're not going to forget. We're smarter than that. Um, I also want to mention in New Brunswick they had plans for a data center. The
public told city council no and they are turning the pl that property into a park instead. [applause] That is exactly what should happen here. You have should you should have been telling uh the CEO of Nebus and for day one and
all. You should have been telling them no flat out to begin with. Creating jobs is nice, but as I've previoused in previous meetings, for how long will those jobs last? And with construction, they don't often last very long. And the fact that these
plans have changed, that we're just now finding out that they've updated their the whole plan doesn't sit right with me at all. It feels like they should have been brought to a vote for approval by the public or at the very least by hearing of hearing of it before plans
were brought forth and they're trying to go gungho with this like no one knows what, you know, no one knows about it, but we do know about it. We're not dumb. Um, let's see. But yes, like I said, New
Brunswick, they say the public told city council very firmly, very loudly, no, and that that property is going to become a public park instead. Um, >> got a question, ma'am. Just just out of curiosity. >> Yes. >> Is it public property that they were
building on? If I remember, if I remember right, [snorts] >> please remove her. >> You're embarrassing. >> Now you're embarrassing, ma'am. >> Yeah, sure. Everyone here is >> Have a nice night.
>> See you later. >> With that being said, the My apologies. I believe to my knowledge it was public property that is being converted into a park instead. With that being said, let
me present to you a couple things that I have learned recently. According to the UN University Institute for Water, it has been announced that they we will start running out of clean water for drinking, for showering, for laundry, and for dishes in the next few
years. We are officially entering water bankruptcy and this is a direct result of AI. If that's not a further reason to stop this, um there is a super computer dedicated
to artificial intelligence is under construction in Villa Fontaine opposite a village in France. It is being developed by data 1, a company funded by Emirati Capital, which aims to develop one of the most powerful AI dedicated supercomputers in Europe with a
financial, pardon me, with a final power output of 200 million watts. There have even been reports in the press suggesting a power output of 100 of one billion watts, equivalent to the power of a nuclear reactor. Now, do we really
want something that powerful in our town? No, we don't. We want better use of the space instead of being turned into a power drain or a power pit uh that's draining energy away from the
aquifers from a power grid that cannot handle that kind of load as it stands now without asking help from like Atlantic County, Atlantic City Electric for example. And my other issue that I want to
address is needing I see I'm close to time. I know uh reducing the time from five to three minutes. Some of us need that need that extra minutes to gather our thoughts. So please at the very least keep it to
five minutes. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. >> Next. State your name please and where you live. My name is Brianna Shaw. I live in Brooklyn, New Jersey. >> I'm sorry, where did you say? >> Brooklyn, New Jersey.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you for for the city council for facilitating this discussion. As a South Jersey resident, I am horrified. I am horrified about the idea of opulent CEOs having minimal oversight
and no regard for the people of Vinland. I grew up going to Malaga Camp. I don't know if anyone else meant. Um, it's a Christian church camp that allowed younger generations to connect with God. My family and I loved this location. I was elated to spend time in the woods
and by the Malaga Lake. The fresh air in Vinland was not what I was used to coming from Brooklyn, New Jersey. If you guys know the Brooklyn circle, [laughter] um, it was a very much of a big change. My family and I Oh, wait. Sorry I said
that. The fresh air. Oh, okay. Anyways, I am horrified about what will happen to the Malaga Lake after the AI data center is built. Even if the water supply system does not come from Malaga Lake, I am scared about where else it will come from. It will leech off somewhere else
anywhere. One of those fresh body waters is the Great Lakes. These Great Lakes have hit low water levels comparatively since 2019. If we take a moment to listen to the other community members in the United States who have had to succumb to having AI data centers in their
communities, you can hear their please. One one resident said in a rural Georgia community um said her name is Beverly Morris. She stated that she is scared to drink the water. It is no coincidence that these data
centers are popping up in rural communities. The CEO of Northeast Precast enjoys fishing himself, as I'm sure many others here do, especially by the Malaga Lake. The effects do not end at
recreational [clears throat] fishing. Lastly, I am horrified about the idea of being complacent with these data centers. I wouldn't want this near me. It is not sustainable and nobody should have to succumb to opulent CEOs. I would
like to read from the Bible. Genesis 1:26. Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish and the sea and the birds of the heavens." No amounts to no amount of donations to a
public library absolve you from your sins against the community. Thank you for letting me talk. >> Thank you very much. And by the way, I went to Malaga camp myself when I was young. Next. >> State your name, please, and where you
live. >> Hi, my name is Nicole Alvarez, and I'm a Vinland resident. Tonight, I would like to address a few topics concerning the city's communication. First, it's my understanding that tonight you will vote on whether or not to reduce the allotted time for public comment from 5 minutes
to three. While I recognize that listening to speakers can be timeconsuming, public comment should not be an inconvenience to you. The opportunity to address our elected officials in this room is one of the few direct ways residents can share concerns. Shortening that time further
limits meaningful participation, especially for those discussing complex issues such as issues concerning the data center and its impacts. I think the timing of this amendment is not a coincidence and it raises serious concerns about the intent behind
reducing the public's opportunity to speak out. You were elected to represent this community and that responsibility includes listening to your constituents even when it requires patience and time or when we don't all agree. [snorts] Maintaining the current five-minute period demonstrates respect for
residents voices and could help reinforce the public trust that has disintegrated these last few months. Please do not allow your lack of patience to come at the expense of civic uh civic engagement. Vote no. Secondly, I would like to address something I have observed at these
council meetings. At the first meeting I attended, I was encouraged to see some of you taking notes during our comments. It gave the impression that you were listening carefully and considering what residents were saying. However, it has become clear that those notes do not translate into meaningful acknowledgement or engagement with the
concerns being raised. For example, at the last meeting, multiple residents made statements asking you to vote no on the pilot. Nevertheless, the vote proceeded as it typically does. You voted yes, and during the privilege of floor, there was literally no response to our concerns um that were raised and
shared, nor was there any explanation as to why you voted yes. Instead, some of you made comments regarding snow removal, and some of you made no comment at all. I found that disheartening, and quite frankly, to me, it does feel disrespectful. Please consider using
that time to provide meaningful relevant feedback to the residents here that are showing up. Lastly, I would like to discuss the amended site plan recently provided to NJD by data 1. The new amended site plan includes hazardous additions such as above ground LG tank
and storage for biosudge. Mr. Tanetta confirmed that these changes will trigger the need for the environmental impact study and will require require amended site plan approval from the planning board. I simply ask that when this application
to the planning board is made that you inform us. In the past month, I have received a city newsletter via email, text alerts regarding trash day, and an email regarding snow removal. Use these same avenues to inform your residents of
high interest issue highinterest issues such as the data center. Since the developer in the past has chosen to not provide the required legal notices in the paper or via mail, please take it upon yourselves to inform us. Please do
not allow another special meeting to take place without properly notifying the public. In closing, please stop ignoring us, hear our statements, and respond. residents should not have to fight this hard uh to be heard and informed by their local government.
Thank you. >> Thank you. >> State your name and where you live, please. >> Hello. My name is Mary Gaunt and I live in Vineland. Um I'll begin by reminding those listening that the data center sits at top a sensitive area to our water supply. This was already
problematic under the previous site plans, but is even more so now that the newest site plan includes liquid natural gas storage placed between two wetland areas. There's constantly talk of wanting to bring progress to Vinand. It saddens me that progress is just the newest spin on industrial sprawl that
degrades natural resources and leads to a lower quality of life for residents. A forward-looking vision for Vinand could include so much more. If there was ever a possibility for a city in southern New Jersey to lead the way in progress, it's Vinand. The possibility of a sustainable
city was built right into the original plans. We could be leading the state in sustainable agriculture, agurism, walkable and bikable infrastructure, access to open space, and an overall high quality of life at a reasonable price. Instead, progress looks like more
of the same. There's just new branding and some rich guy with a French accent. When it comes to emissions, the data center is said to be using a new BOF filter process. Calculations about this process have been flagged by the NJ DP more than once. I worry that the steps
in the right direction that Vinland has been taking will be canceled out if our air quality worsens. I'd love to believe that everything will be just fine, but based on reports from other similar projects around the country, I have concerns. Finally, the emissions from the data
center don't just affect Vineland. The emission radius for the data center captured Millville residents as well. The land use criteria sites medium to high density urban development within it but was modeled by a rural capture of
the surrounding area. That's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> State your name and where you live. Hi, my name is Trista Cleaves and I live in Binland. Um, I just wanted to acknowledge that I really feel like
there is animosity in between this council and the people that live here. Whenever we come up, I feel like there's like this tension when we are just trying to express what we are wanting as
a city, what we want you to do as elected officials. We as a city elected you to make decisions on our behalf and we want you to listen to us. We want you just to be present and be aware of the
fact that we are trying to tell you. We're trying to be here. Trying to say look at the facts. Look at what we were given at the town hall. Look at what we have been given in past AI data centers.
This bofuel project as an engineering student seems very far-fetched. Um, this is something that he Charles definitely did say do your research. I have done my research and it
is something that is going to be very difficult to maintain over time. This is not something that's just going to be like a I'm going to put this filter in and it's going to be fine. This is something that has to be constantly maintained over time and I don't think
any company has the bandwidth to do that right now. And not only that, I feel like when we are cutting public speaking time after something such as this has happened,
it causes an issue again with the public. you were telling them that you don't want to listen or you don't want to hear us. But understandably, you have gotten a lot of feedback because we're upset. But at the same time, you have to
understand, we need time to speak. We need time to just be and tell you that you are elected for this position to make decisions on our behalf. Like I have
said, this needs to be something that is just second nature to elected officials. You make decisions based off of what the public is telling you, based off the facts that we're telling you, based off the research that you have to do after
we tell you what we need. That's something that I feel like should be across the board, bottom line. And again, I think that you should vote no on this time cut. I think that this is
not fair to anybody that has spoken here. Again, like we have said, usually we don't even take up five minutes. we take up maybe three, maybe two, [clears throat] but just because of the nature of everything that's happening
with data one, you're having a multitude of people come at you and that that's just your job. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> State your name, where you live. >> Steve Lewis, Vine, New Jersey. Uh this
is a little on the lighter side. Uh it's about the snow removal. Uh I had a neighbor call me and said I was woken up by a snow plow at 2:30 in the morning. And he said but he said they did a
wonderful job. So, Director Nair and all his men and women who work for him with snow removal. We should give them a little credit for the hard work they've been doing. And uh they deserve that. And uh they did an excellent job on my
street. And I realize that when you have a lot of snow, it takes time to get to you. And sometimes it's later than what you would like, but they probably will get eventually to doing your street the best they can. And uh I I'm
understanding that uh Vinyl Electric did pretty well as far as allergies go and they're to be commended if this is true and I think it is. So they're to be commended. Uh now as you know I come to these
meetings all the time and I sit and listen. I start thinking sometimes, well, I have a sister-in-law from Dividing Creeks, a small town. They told her she might not have
electric till Sunday, and they are serviced by Atlantic City Electric. So then I started thinking, well, I listen to all these people out here talking about AI, the use of electric.
What's going to happen once AI is running and we have another snowfall? Atlantic Electric can't take care of a small town dividing creek. They have to wait until Sunday. How are they going to make sure that everybody else in Vinland and the
different areas will have electric? I have all the faith in the world of vinyl electric, but I don't have a whole lot of faith in Atlantic City Electric. So, that's something that maybe should be thought of. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> State your name, please. Where you live? >> Hi, I'm Daniel Carabalo. I live in Vinland right on Spring Road. Um, I was born and raised in this city. I was um I went to school at St. Mary's, at St. Francis. I'm an alumni of Violin High
School. Um, I currently work at Custom Graphics and Violin where I make shirts for every business in town and patronage. Um, I was just commissioned by the city to do the mural on um, Landis in the Boulevard too about the founding of our town. And I went to the
Violin Historical Society to research Vinland before I did this mural to find out what our the start of the city was to see how we started. And it's a pretty impressive story. It's really It's really cool if anybody cares to look it up, but
um this data center is a bad idea. Don't have enough long-term research to tell us what is going to happen. That's a fact. I feel like money is a motivator here. I
feel like money is behind the answer to every every time I look for the answer. It always ends with money. Money is the reason people are doing this. I'm trying to follow the money to see who's going to benefit the most from this. And I can't seem to get a straight answer from
anybody. So hopefully you guys will provide that soon enough. But I love my town. I absolutely have so much love for this town. I mean, I'm the epitome of violin. I I'm half Puerto Rican, half Italian. I I worked at the Seavoy Inn. I
worked at Violin Applebees for 15 years. This is my city. I love my city and the people in it. And I feel like I feel like this is done in haste and this is done too quickly for us to know what the real consequences of it are going to be. Thank you.
>> Thank you. [applause] Please state your name and where you live. >> Hi. Uh my name is Angie Inucci and I live in Rosenhane. Um forgive me, this is my first time at one of these things. >> Okay. >> Uh I want to offer a bit of a different
perspective on this uh whole AI uh warehouse thing that's going on. Um a more human perspective and I just want to keep it real. No one wants this. No one my age wants this. All right, I'm a fresh 22 and I don't even know where the
demand for AI is or the demand for artificial intelligence is. I mean, it's in the name. It's artificial. And I was impacted by the beginning of the social fracture caused by CO 19. And my sister,
she's a senior in high school and with AI, she's not learning a damn thing. You know, whatever that this is going to be for, AI has infiltrated creativity, education, uh just
I I I don't know. And and I mean this in the kindest way possible, but as you know, the gentleman who spoke before me said, if there was no money involved in this, I don't think that you folks would care very much either. You know, that's all. >> Thank you.
[applause] >> State your name, where you live. >> All right. How's everybody doing tonight? My name is Jeff Lindseay. I live in the iconic city of Vinland. Um, thank everybody for coming out tonight. But the word transparency has been going around and I think some people are still
under the impression that the data center is not already going on. I think that if I'm not mistaken, the data center is already been approved and we're moving forward with this. So, in saying if we are moving forward with this, um, why couldn't it be some more
cool solutions that everybody comes in with? um since it's gonna be here, we might as well make it benefit the community. So, I'm saying even a data once and I was just had an interview with someone and I was talking to them about this. Um maybe the data center
could invest into a youth center, you know, some of the proceeds that the money that's been made or I don't know how we could work that out, but that could go on. Also, is it possible that the community could could invest into the data center? Because I don't know
how much the stocks is now, but if this is going to be the wave of the future and and I and I mean this for everyone that's in this building, if it's going to go, we have to make sure that it actually does benefit us. So, it actually could benefit us if we come up with solutions. So whatever um concerns
that we do have, whether it's the pollution, the noise, if we're invested in it, then we can make sure that they have things in play just in case our concerns have ever been met. Whether it's the energy, whether it's the drawing of the electricity, and this is
where us and city council should be able to sit down and like I said, talk together and come up with a solution. Because right now, I don't and if I'm wrong, city council, let me know, is the data center going on? Because if it is, then all these these talks are meaningless if it's going to move
forward. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate it. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. So, so no matter about the plans changing the the plan that change that didn't change that the data center is coming. So like once again, can we have somewhere where the data center is actually is data one
is investing in the community like I said. some of the proceeds go back to the youth. Maybe some of the community people if they want to can invest into this data one center. I know some of the people don't want to hear this but if it's going to go down we want to make sure that it benefits us in the long run
and basically the youth. So we need youth centers just like the data center because there's a lot of concerns. It's not just the data center that's killing us that we should be lobbying against Walmart that's selling poison that gives us cancer and the food and all these other good concerns that come along with
bad health or bad choices that are being made. So once again when I come back I would like to know if we can invest and how much the shares and if it could be somewhere in the literature that data one invested in a youth center and give back to the schools teachers things of
that nature so the youth can benefit from this just like I guess I don't know who else is benefiting but as long as the community benefits that's my concern. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> [applause] >> else
closed public portion. Mr. President, I present ordinance number 2026-7, ordinance of the city of Vinland in the county of Cumberland, New Jersey, appropriating $1 million even from the capital improvement fund to supplement the 10,600,000
even appropriated by bond ordinance 2025-23 finally adopted March 25, 2025 of the city for various improvements to the Vinland Municipal Electric Utility, which is ready for a public hearing. Chair entertains a motion ordinance number 2026-7 be taken up for public
hearing open to public for discussion. >> So move >> second. >> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English. >> Yes. >> Council member Vargas. >> Yes. >> Vice President Gomez. >> Yes. >> President Spanelli. >> Yes. >> Is there anyone in the audience would like to speak on ordinance number
2026-7? No one. Close it. Chair entertain a motion to public hearing on ordinance number 2026-7 be closed. >> So move. >> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English. >> Yes. >> Council member Vargas. >> Yes. >> Vice President Gomez. >> Yes.
>> President Spanelli. >> Yes. >> Jarains motion ordinance number 2026-7 be taken up a final reading adopted according to law. >> So move. >> Second. >> Discussion by councel. I will make a comment just to clear everybody's mind. This is normal
upgrading and we are have been expanding the electric utility as well as we are looking into uh electrical storage so that we don't have any issues as you're talking about with brownouts etc because we only put out x
amount of megawws so when we're not at peak can actually store energy and when we have to go to peak there won't be any issues and that is just for the town of Vland itself has nothing to do with the data center. Roll call.
>> Dr. Arthur, >> yes. >> Council member English, >> yes. >> Council member Vargas, >> yes. >> Vice President Gomez, >> yes. >> President Spanelli, >> yes. >> Ordinance number 2026-7. Ordinance of the city of Vinland and the county of Cumberland, New Jersey, appropriating $1 million even from the
capital improvement fund to supplement 10,600,000 even appropriated by bond ordinance 2025-23. finally adopted March 25, 2025 of the of the city for various improvements to the Violent Municipal Electric Utility with
a vote of 5 years. This ordinance is hereby adopted. >> Mr. Francetta, please submit ordinance number 2026-7 to the mayor for his approval or disapproval. Present ordinance number 2026-8 ordinance amending ordinance 1074 is
amended chapter 687 article 1 section 687-8 of the code of the city of violent entitled right of access right to place instruments which is ready for a public hearing >> chair entertains a motion ordinance number 2026-8 be taken up for public hearing and open
to the public for discussion >> move >> Dr. Arthur, >> yes. >> Council member English, >> yes. >> Council member Vargas, >> yes. >> Vice President Gomez, >> yes. >> President Spanelli, >> yes. Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to be heard on witness number 2026-8?
Seeing no one, will close it. >> Chair entertains a motion public hearing on witness number 2026-8 be closed. >> So move. >> Second. >> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English. >> Yes. >> Council member Vargas. >> Yes. >> Vice President Gomez.
>> Yes. Yes. President Spanelli. >> Yes. Chair entertains a motion ordinance number 2026-8 be taken up for final reading adopted according to law. >> So move. >> Second. >> Discussion. Seeing none. >> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English.
>> Yes. >> Council member Vargas. >> Yes. >> Vice President Gomez. >> Yes. >> President Spanelli. >> Yes. >> Ordinance 2026-8. Ordinance amending ordinance 1074 is amended chapter 687 article 1 section 687-8 of the code of the city of violent entitle right of
access right to place instruments for the vote of 5 years this ordinance is hereby adopted >> grand please uh submit ordinance number 2026-8 to the mayor for his approval with this approval. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Present ordinance number 2026-9,
ordinance amending ordinance 86-46 as amended, chapter 687, article 15, section 687-110 of the code of the city of Ireland entitled remote meters, which is ready for a public hearing. >> Chair entertains a motion and ordinance number 2026-9 be taken up for public
hearing, open to public for discussion. >> So move. >> Second. >> Dr. Arthur, >> yes. >> Council member English, >> yes. >> Council member Vargas, >> yes. >> Vice President Gomez, >> yes. >> President Spanelli, >> yes. Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to be heard on ordinance number 2026-9?
Seeing no one, chair entertains a motion to public hearing on ordinance number 2026-9 be closed. >> So move >> second. >> Dr. Arthur, >> yes. >> Council member English, >> yes. >> Council member Vargas, >> yes. >> Vice President Gomez, >> yes. >> President Spanelli, >> yes. Chair entertains a motion and
ordinance number 2026-9 be taken up for final reading adopted according to law. >> So move >> discussion. Seeing no one, >> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English. >> Yes. >> Council member Vargas. Vice President Gomez. >> Yes. >> President Spanelli. >> Yes.
>> Ordinance 2026-9. Ordinance amending ordinance 86-46 as amended. Chapter 687 article 15 section 687-110 of the code of the city of island entitled remote meters for the vote of 5 years. This ordinance is hereby adopted. Grant >> chatter. Please submit ordinance number
2026-9 to the mayor for his approval or disapproval. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Present ordinance number 2026-10 ordinance amending ordinance 2005-100 as amended chapter 425 article 8 of the code of the city of violent entitled
affordable housing which is ready for a public hearing. >> Chair entertains a motion ordinance number 2026-10 be taken up for public hearing and open to public for discussion. >> Second. >> Dr. Arthur, >> yes. >> Council member English, >> yes. >> Council member Vargas, >> yes. >> Vice President Gomez, >> yes.
>> President Spanelli, >> yes. Is there anyone in the audience who wish to be heard on ordinance number 2026-10? Seeing no one, chair entertains a motion to ordinance number 2026-10 be closed. >> So move. >> Second. >> Dr. Arthur, >> yes.
>> Council member English, >> yes. >> Council member Vargas, >> yes. >> Vice President Gomez, >> yes. >> President Spanelli, >> yes. Chair entertains a motion ordinance number 2026-10 be taken up for final reading and adopted according to law. >> So move. >> Second. There >> any discussion?
Seeing none. >> Dr. Arthur, >> yes. >> Council member English, >> yes. >> Council member Vargas, >> yes. >> Vice President Gomez, >> yes. >> President Spanelli, >> yes. >> Ordinance 2026-10. Ordinance amending ordinance 2005-100 as amended chapter
425 article 8 of the code of the city of Island and titled affordable housing. With a vote of 5 years, this ordinance is hereby adopted. >> Mr. French, please submit ordinance number 2026-10 to the mayor for his approval. with disapproval. >> Yes, >> Mr. President, I present ordinance
number 2026-11, which is ready for first reading. >> Chair contains a motion ordinance number 2026-11 be taken up for first reading. >> So move. >> Dr. Arthur, >> yes. >> Council member English, >> yes. >> Council member Vargas, >> yes. >> Vice President Gomez, >> yes. >> President Spanelli,
>> yes. Ordinance 2026-11, an ordinance to amend and supplement ordinance number 8, which established the classification and compensation plans for the city of Ireland various titles. >> Entertains a motion ordinance number 2026-11 be passed for first reading. That a public hearing be held on
Tuesday, March 10th, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. >> Second >> discussion. Seeing none, >> Dr. Arthur, >> yes. >> Council member English, >> yes. >> Council member Vargas, >> yes. >> Vice President Gomez, >> yes. President Spanelli. >> Yes.
>> I present ordinance number 2026-12 which is ready for first reading. J >> entertains a motion that ordinance number 2026-12 be taken up for first reading. >> So move. >> Second. >> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English. >> Yes. >> Council member Vargas. >> Yes. >> Vice President Gomez.
>> Yes. >> President Spanelli. >> Yes. >> Ordinance number 2026-12. Ordinance amending ordinance 2025-92, an ordinance to amend and supplement ordinance number eight, which revise the classification and compensation plans for the city of Miland various unit 3
and N3 titles to correct an error therein. >> J entertains a motion ordinance number 2026-12 be passed for first reading that a public hearing be held on Tuesday, March 10th, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. >> So move. >> Second >> discussion. >> Seeing none,
>> Dr. Arthur. Yes. >> Council member English. >> Yes. >> Council member Vargas. >> Yes. >> Vice President Gomez. >> Yes. >> President Spanelli. >> Yes. >> Pres. Mr. President, I present resolution number 2026-63
resolution ratifying confirming the appointment of the law firm of Testa Hec Testa and White Vinland, New Jersey as part-time municipal court public defender for the municipal court of the city of Vinland and S. Daniel Hudchinson, Esquire, Woodberry, New Jersey, as alternate conflict public
defender and authorizing the mayor and clerk to execute a professional services agreement. Therefore, >> chair entertains a motion resolution number 2026-63 be adopted according to law. >> So move >> second >> discussion seeing none.
>> Excuse me. >> Yes. She wants a comment. Tell her to come up here. >> Please, if you want to comment, come to the microphone. >> It's not a public portion. >> Just for your clarification, Miss
Garrett. um >> just to send it into the public hearing piece, which we all vote yes on to go to public hearing and then if we want to vote no on it, that's where the vote for no would go. >> My only concern is most of the time you
just vote yes on everything and not not for nothing. >> I will address that later. >> Okay. >> All right. >> All right. Mike Ta has been downright rude to a lot of us >> and he is behind the status center and we are aware. So I personally would
prefer you go somewhere else. >> This isn't public portion. >> All right. It's not public portion. So thank you. [clears throat] >> Roll call. >> That's my Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English.
>> Yes. Is this the one you >> name for this one? Abstain. Abstain. >> Council member Vargas. >> Yes. >> Vice President Gomez. >> Yes. >> President Spanelli. >> Abstain. >> Abstain as well. Okay. City Council's approved that all the
matters listed in the consent agenda are considered to be routine and non-controversial and be adopted by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a council member so request in which case an item will be removed and considered with an individual vote. All matters on the consent agenda have been presented
to city council during either work session or the premeating conference and appear on the consent agenda without objection. Their titles will not be individually read into the record but will be properly memorialized in the meeting minutes. Chair >> contains a motion to approve all items on the consent agenda.
>> Not now. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. It's controversial to us. >> Roll call, please. We have a motion. Motion. >> We don't need it. I got the motion. Go ahead. >> So move.
>> Second. >> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Council member English. >> Yes. >> Council member Vargas. >> Yes. >> Vice President Gomez. >> Yes. >> And President Spanelli. >> Yes. >> At this time we'll have privilege of the floor. >> Dr. Arthur.
>> No comment. >> Please remove them. >> Please remove them. Have a nice night. >> Have a nice night. >> The door is right there. >> Have a nice night.
WHY WOULD YOU GO FOR OFFICE? >> Last act. Goodbye. ridiculous. >> Actually, your behavior is ridiculous. >> Why are you nasty? >> Nasty. >> You're nasty. >> Dr. Arthur, >> murder.
>> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. >> Would you like to say anything? >> No. >> Mr. Vargas. >> On a good note, I'd like to congratulate all the retirees. Good luck. >> Thank you. Please.
De Cororum. And you don't have it. You don't just yell out. You had your time. You had your time to speak, ma'am. You had your time. You may leave as well. Thank you very much.
>> You had your time to speak. You didn't take it. >> Have a nice day. >> My son works in one. >> Enough of your nonsense. >> Excuse me. >> Goodbye. >> Goodbye. You're done. We are not
screaming out. You're not at the concert on >> police. >> Who's got first? >> Um positives positives. Um the city did a a good job on these roads. We talked about that. Um
I actually on my street wish um witnessed the EMT coming out. Um took care of a um stroke uh victim in the neighborhood. Um outstanding job by them as well. Um, usually when you um when
the storms come in as a councilman, the first thing you do is check to see what the people say and it was a very positive um vibe for what took place with this past snowstorm compared to ones in years past. Um, so kudos to that. Um,
Miss Alvarez, you got my attention. Um, one thing I always prided myself on is speaking to the public. Um, we talk about three and five minutes. I was part of the school board where we had five minutes, we went to three minutes. Okay?
Never once when it went to three minutes did I as president shut someone down if they had substance to bring to the table. If indeed someone has a speaking problem, nerves, it was never disrespected. And I don't believe the
gentleman to the right of me would do something like that. It's about bringing the substance of the situation. And when we had things that were redundant, we spent an hour sometimes hearing the same thing. The point was definitely um
heard. Um when we sit in these seats, we chose to put our name um on that ballot. So we know that um the word tension, falsely accused, name calling and disrespect, it
has happened. Um but but I do thank each one of you for having the courage to come up here and speak because what you have given me and I can't speak for the rest of us. Um we are a city council of five but the way we hear things and perceive things I'm in my mind and my
mind only. um you have enlightened me to the point where yes, I've done the homework and I and you were all in here when I spoke that first night and the gentleman in the back address me very disrespectfully.
If you don't want it, you're not going to find anything positive about it. So, I understand that and I think you're all mature enough to understand that there's the pros and there's the cons. the information you continue to bring to us
is the negative and we do our due diligence to bring it to the right people and they they answer me with the answer I need to hear because I didn't know it till you brought it to my attention and I thank you for that. Remember the AI center is one thing
going on in the city of Highland and yes it's the elephant in the room. That's why you're here. Okay. I spoke to many of people that had positive things to say about it as well. Okay, when it comes to AI and all that, if you're on
your cell on your cell phone, you're using it. I'm a school teacher, guys. I retired from my plumbing business. I teach kids how to plum. Okay? And one thing I can tell you, um, what AI has done for me, it gives me a blueprint. We
all have our own minds to make the right decision on how I'm going to teach that kid plumbing. But it gave me a foundation for the lesson on soldering. Then you detail it the way Scott English would teach it. Okay.
The whole AI picture is something that's going to evolve. It's going to be here long after we're all dead. Okay. How it goes in violent New Jersey remains to be seen. I believe the train is on the
track. It's rolling down. The gentleman spoke this evening and an investment back into the community. Good feedback again. I'm probably going over my five minutes or whatever I have. I don't even know anymore. But at the at the end of it,
it it it's disrespectful to think that we don't care. And maybe that's not the right word I'm thinking here. I I care more than you think I care. And I
believe we care more than you think we care. Okay? Continue to bring your information whether it's 2 minutes, 3 minutes. Give me the words and you do in your emails, Miss Alvarez. You You do. And it has enlightened me in a lot of areas.
I've yet to see something to make me say the word no. And I'm being honest with you. I'm being honest with each one of you. But if that's not what you want to hear, you're going to continue to disrespect and not like what I say or
how I vote. Um and and I I'm not even going to apologize for it because when we put our names on the dotted line, we have to make decisions that are what best for the entire city of Vinland. And that's pretty much all I have this evening. Um
>> Okay. Thank you, Scott. to answer a couple things. One, we vote on certain things that dealt with the data center that if they did not get it, we would be putting ourselves in lawsuits because they were entitled to get them
and they've qualified for them through the state mandates that state that they get them. So, that being said, our job is to not get you into lawsuits. is to keep you out of them because you pay for the lawsuit just like I do cuz I live
here. Now, I've been here I don't know if I'm the oldest person in this room. I think Mr. Lewis has got me and you may have me too. But I'm 72. All 72 I lived in this town. I'm not going to do anything that I
think is going to hurt anybody. In fact, if you know anything about me, which most of you probably don't, I've helped more people throughout my life and in this town get things done or have things that had absolutely nothing to do with my
position here other than I knew people because they couldn't get it or they couldn't do it. Nothing has been given to the city yet. You people pulled the the revised plan from the D. We know it. I knew it.
We can't do anything until it goes to our our land use board. It's their decision. If they need a variance, it goes to the zoning board. It's their decision. It's not ours. So to sit here and keep telling me that
we let them build it, it's our fault. Sorry, it's misplaced. We didn't vote on anything. They built on private property, which is why I asked the young lady, "Was the other one on public property?" Cuz then it's a different story because then the city
would have to sell it to them or lease it to them. They leased it from a private owner. They have to follow the We're not answering any more questions. We're done with that. And I'm sorry, Miss Alvarez, because you are very respectful and I
appreciate that as well. I answered two or three emails today that I got and I've tried to answer most of them and if I didn't know the answer I sent you this to the solicitor and get and I told some of the people
listen we get this information the noise complaints and all the other things that come through it goes back to the people running data one we don't sit on it we let them know Mr. Mr. Tanetta has been talking to
their attorney forever about all the different things that come up. I'm sure they're tired of hearing from us as well. Too bad. I don't have [snorts] any investment. I'm not great friends with anybody. I know who the people are. That's it.
So take this thing out of your mind that you think that you know we're in bed with somebody because the only person I'm in bed with is my wife and that's it. So the reality check on it is is a lot of your misplaced anger I do understand
as Scott said. We understand it. We are limited in what we are allowed to do. That's civics 101 on how municipal government works and that's what I taught for a living by
the way. And as far as what you say, I have not really cut too many people off unless they got indignant. It's how you say it. Screaming from the back of the room, cussing us out. And
you know, I made a mistake early on and had a mic drop. I apologized publicly and privately to the person it was directed to. I haven't got an apology yet for for the crap that was called to me.
So that's a two-way street. If you want us to respect you, and we do about a little bit back, you can say anything you want up here respectfully. That's all we ask. It's called decorum. And if you don't want to use the
decorum, we are going to remove you. You are not going to disrupt our council meetings. I don't agree with the way federal government runs and Mr. Bale uh Winder, you've worked in it. I'm watching Congress walk out of a a state of the
union. I think it's it's an an absolute sin. It's about a little bit of respect. You don't have to like the president, but he's the president. That's the way government functions. We hear you. We've taken your stuff. I
see all the stuff on on social media. I've talked to Angela and messaged her and gave her information and she and I she know I she knew I got mad at her. doesn't mean I'm I'm I came over and said hello tonight and we didn't know
each other other than basically through this meeting here. I happen to know her ex and her ex's in-laws. But the reality of it is is that just come up, say what you want. If it takes
four minutes, I'm not cutting you off. In fact, they yell at me because I don't cut you off sometimes. But there's a reality check. If you can't make your point in three minutes, then you don't know what you want to say. So that's where we're at. Now, I given
you some information about how it functions and what we did and what we didn't do, but some of the things and Mr. Mr. I'm sorry that I stopped you about the money thing, but I'm tired of reading it
because every one of them, every one of them has been screenshot. Now, you want lawsuits because that what that's what can happen for slander. And then you'll pay for my lawyer
because it'll be a city lawyer and you'll pay for your own. And that's ridiculous. I won't win the case, but you'll spend money. It's absurd. And a couple of them, by the way, people
I'm very good friends with, my very good friends. I call them out. It's the way it is. I'm a pretty point blank person. And you can ask anybody sitting down here. You got an attorney back there that's sitting back there. I call it the way I see it.
I'm not taking somebody screaming at me from the back. If you don't like it, I don't care. You're leaving. You want to say something civil, have at it when it's your time. And when it's not your time, you don't scream. Thank you very much. Need a motion to
journ. >> So move. >> Second. >> Dr. Arthur. >> Yes. Council member English, >> yes. >> Council member Vargas, >> yes. >> Vice President Gomez, >> yes. >> President Spanelli, >> yes. Have a good night. Be safe driving. >> 640.