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e okay it's 4 o' if everybody wants to get a seat we will get started that was pretty quick we will call the February 18th 2025 blch County council meeting to order at 4 p.m. and
um we will is it going to be a long night she's bringing me too we will start as we always uh do with an invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance so I'll ask you to stand in in just a moment if you would care to stand for
the invocation and the pledge uh you can the invocation today is By Angelo Pereira of the Central Florida free free thought Community good afternoon and thank you very much for this opportunity uh I am a member of the
Central Florida freethought Community and a proud resident of the city of the land as you the esteemed members of our County Council Begin work this afternoon it might be beneficial to recall some words spoken by Abraham Lincoln in his
gettsburg address Lincoln emphasized the crucial importance of government of the People by the people and for the people I would venture to say that today local government for the people has never been more important local government is where
Community citizens from different walks of life come together to build something that transcends personal interests local government is where new ideas for the betterment of our community are born local government is where those new ideas are put into action shaping our
future and the future of those who will come after us as was said by a contemporary of Lincoln the author historian and Unitarian Minister Edward ever hail coming together is a beginning keeping together
is progress working together is Success we the citizens of our community count on you to work together with courage patience open minds and steady hands with an unwavering focus on what
is just wise compassionate it always remembering that Community leadership is about service and service is about lifting others strengthening trust and ensuring that all voices and the needs
they articulate are heard with empathy and respect thank you unit States of America and to the repu stands Nation indivisible liberty and justice
for before we go on I will uh let you know that the invocation is open to any faith group if you are a member of a faith group that would like to participate if you would just send an email to k green
.org the letter K green ata.org she will get you all um set up okay can we can would you call the role please Carissa Mr Reinhardt here Mr Robbins here Mr Santiago here Mr
Dempsey Mr Johansson m Mr Kent here Mr Brower here so we have a full house and a quorum so we will continue on with business and we'll start with public
participation in public participation at the beginning of the meeting and at the end you can speak on uh anything that pertains to Valia County that's uh that's not an item if you care to speak
uh to an item please uh fill out a form for that and we will call you up so our only participant participant in uh public participation tonight is John
Nicholson John Nicholson to town of beachs side feels like the end of the meeting rather than the beginning of the meeting yeah um a couple of things on your agenda you have Airport art removal are we going to toss this art or are we going to uh redesign it or re send it
somewhere else um I know oftentimes the city just goes through doesn't want playground equipment and tosses it um they're redoing A1A the $150,000 worth of trees just tossed so uh if we can if
we don't want it at the airport maybe we could use it at one of the parks or one of the cities um secondly the Ocean Center Parking um how long has it been since we raised the fees for parking I know that's an ongoing issue I was just
at a meeting last night and uh they were talking about uh bike week and they haven't raised the fees on Bike Week in like 30 years so this idea of forgetting to raise fees uh we're out a lot a great deal of money so um if we are not having
a set time limit when we look at these I encourage us to do so um the r is that parcel what I think it is the 177,000 that we're buying from CSX is that what I think it is I hope it
is maybe um it could be the Fuel Depot land no darn it um and cultur okay last one ezone um I've been pushing my city uh I got a gift from an Ruby of
the package and 500 or so pages of our ezone from like 17 years ago and it it basically is creating an entertainment Zone along Main Street which would of course
benefit the Ocean Center and the Hilton and A1A and everybody um but as you know our city is not very good at U pushing things uh it's been I think 40
years since they started working on Main Street and improving it so I'm not expecting a great deal but I do expect you all especially Matt and uh Troy to push the city because it it benefits everybody it is an economic engine
correct David and the more money that that area makes the more money the county makes the more money the county makes everybody's happy so I would ask you to encourage the city to work on uh the ezone especially the pier uh Ken Strickland brought it up it would be
fantastic to have the enlarged pier and hopefully uh Echo funds as well thank you thank you John and um I'm sure staff will get you an answer to your question about art but I I can assure you that
nobody's going to throw anything out so um you're correct it never gets thrown out it's gets moved around in other buildings and places gets stored for a while and then goes back out again so okay and the the item and this
meaning is adding to the art right and there's some good good pieces okay that takes us uh to the uh consent agenda does any Council m member have an item they would like to pull for a
vote e Mr Brower your first item would be the approval of the agenda before consent we do item one approval of the agenda do I have a motion to
approve second runner I have a move by Jake Johansson to approve the agenda as written and the second was um by Matt Reinhardt uh Danny did you have a e okay
um no comments on this all in favor say I I and the opposed and the agenda is approved 7 to zero and pulling for uh a vote is item b e e e as an echo as an
echo okay chairman motion to approve the consent agenda absent item e let me ask one more question are there any items anybody would like to uh comment on after the vote p
p no one else okay so we have a motion to approve the uh consent agenda minus item e that motion was by Troy Kent is there a second second second by councilman
Robbins all in actually before we vote we have one member of the public that would like to uh speak on this um Nancy La Riviera if you would like to come down to the front and you will have
three minutes to speak to us about the consent agenda uh Nancy La rier uh 2215 East New York Dand Florida um I'm a perennial member of the US parachute team and have 7,000
parachute jumps and commercial pilot multi-engine um have um about a dozen world records and have been a national accuracy champion in parachuting um so uh we're having this International parachute Symposium in b beach March 9
through 14 and uh in the past we've kicked it off with the demonstration jump onto the beach and we'd like to do that this year for to kick off the um the Symposium but also to honor a founding member of the
Pia who passed away last year John Sherman um I have submitted a special event permit with the beach Safety Division filled out an application for USPA demo jump Insurance uh for $1 million through Kimel Aviation insurance company that
regularly ensures demonstration parachute jumps um I'll be submitting an FAA 7711 D2 form to provide all the parachuting demo information to the FAA uh we will submit a notm on the day of the jump uh met with Bob howlet from
Skydive D land just the other day to coordinate aircraft he would probably be the one flying um and crowd control would be accomplished by having a ground crew of at least four experienced demo jumpers who will have ground to air communication and wind indicators that
will be conspicuous enough for the jumpers to see from 1500 ft um the least experienced person on this jump probably has 3,000 jumps and she's a a very experienced professional demonstration jumper with the Misty Blues the most
experienced person and there would be just three of us uh would be a man named Bob Feist taml who is um again a commercial multi-engine pilot has over 12,000 jumps is a a world record holder national champion and um so this would be conducted with
the utmost professionalism and and be very conservative if the winds exceed our safety level we would cancel the jump and we've done that before on on past demos so I'm asking permission to be able to land on the beach the whole affair would take probably under 15
minutes any questions if you have questions I'm here thank you thank you um no questions it's it's an exciting event um for Daytona and for all of Lucia I'm looking forward to it
as as a former sky diver with a total of I I think six jumps it's pretty exciting to hear 3,000 to 7,000 you have you have nerves of Steal okay so we will vote uh on the
consent agenda minus item e is there any discussion about it all in favor say I I I any opposed and the consent agenda passes and now we will handle item
e good afternoon Tim Bailey parks recreation and culture director good yes uh councilman Robbins I'm sorry I thought you were just no it's okay uh Tim I I appreciate uh appreciate you coming up and and everything that you do for us here uh in in Parks just had a
couple quick questions uh about the program can you explain the the uh art and public places program and sure the nuts and bolts of it right so any project that is greater than a million dollars for construction uh for Valia County in a public building uh is is s
is um part of the art and public places program a half a percent to 1% of the construction cost has to be set aside for art and public places uh there's a committee then that is established to select the art or solicit the art select
the art and then we bring that that recommendation of the artwork back to County Council for approval now for these expenditures is it coming out of the the general fund is a general fund expense Airport Budget airport budget right um even with that being said my
question is to to staff and to council is there a uh a better way to to do this I know this program's been in place since about what 1990 yeah it's it's been a while yeah Ocean Center is a good example of the art and public places program art at the airport is also a good example and ultimately Council what
what I'm and I don't know if it's possible but uh we contribute roughly to $600,000 to cultural arts and arts Pro related programs yeah would it be that's two different programs I I I understand but they they do kind of overlap a
little bit um correct no they don't uh the well the only where they they overlap is a cultural council member sits on the the committee that selects art okay but Cultural Arts there's no when we donate that $600,000 or or
contribute there's no Arts programs that we so yeah so let me let me explain two different where I'm tring right okay so um the 611 758 that you're talking about is actually uh a grant for cultural Grant operations uh currently right
we're going to talk about that later today but that goes for programs that the nonprofits um operate in vucha county has nothing to do with the art in public place two separate programs um when when they're looking at the artists
um you know who buil who create the art for the art in public places um they they could be a part of one of the you know organizations that receive money but typically it's an individual artist that is contracted with the county to create art ultimately what I was looking
to do Tim to see if any of those funds or any of those 501s that deal with art and that sort of stuff if they can volunteer to put their material out just to save the county some some money because when I compound it over 30 years if you do a $60,000 uh a year for 30 plus 35 years
you're looking at 2.3 million over the span of that time so is there a better way that we can utilize that 600,000 or get some of these nonprofits on board to donate this art uh to save us some money in the sou fund or is that possible well possible some you have some museums that
that have art in their um Supply right uh Daytona Beach Museum arts and sciences would be a good example of that right and we have Lucia County had uh some donated art in the county building here right so there is a possibility but
typically the artwork that we're looking at like say the Ocean Center that's not just pictures that's sculptures that's that um the item that the artwork that's hanging in the in the Rotunda area there that that's all not something that the
museum would be donating out it would typically it's pictures uh that they that donate out thank you I was just uh I'd like to hear what the rest of the council has to say if there's another way to maybe do it efficiently or double tap that other fund or
Santiago thank you thank you Mr chairman so when we get three more Airlines and have another a new Wing will we be putting a monument to Cyprus Cyrus there well if it's if it's if it's over a million dollars then it would comply with the art in public places program right I miss I miss said your name so it
didn't come out well so u a more serious question uh just thought came into to me now are are are we using similar artists every time this goes out or we have a well Diversified group of new artists participating different yeah they're
they're typically different artists in every call perfect thank you thank you Mr chair you're welcome councilman Troy Kent chairman thank you uh and uh I'm pleased we're having this discussion because
um I didn't know how I felt about this years ago when I served on the Orman commission and I can tell you that I'm actually a huge advocate for this now more even more so for this than um our
cultural Council uh sorry those out in the audience you that don't like hearing that comment but when you talk about a half a percent or a percent and when you're building something over a million dollars you know I I think when I walk up here I'm
I'm a creature of habit I like to park in this basically same place every day when I come here and I walk up and I see that Fountain right outside the chambers here that's art when I look at the
courthouse to me that's art this building not so much okay but in Orman Beach you know we built a couple of new fire stations and we have some statues there that are
wonderful pieces of Art and when I saw this list I didn't know any of the artists except for balaker and I I've heard I don't know balaker but I've heard of balaker because he's been commissioned to do some really great pieces up in Orman Beach um and a lot of his deal with fish
and fishing and things like that and at the airport I didn't know how that was going you know to to work out so I'm I'm okay with this I'm I'm pleased that the county has a program like this um
because there there is something that you you add as a society when you're when you're building something and you leave something there a piece of enjoyment for people to enjoy at their Leisure and how they want to interpret it you know I heard some
Chuckles when I said you know the the little Fountain out there and when I talked about the courthouse but to me they're both beautiful that Fountain throughout the year they changed the colors at night so you know I I get a little enjoyment when I leave here at
11: p.m. midnight 1 am and I'm walking back to my car and I see that Fountain lit up I go hey all right you know appreciate that the county did that so I'm I'm in support thank you we might leave at 10 today if we can get through
this okay uh councilman Robbins thanks Shar just just to close out no I agree with uh Mr Kent's assessment on it I was just uh uh mainly looking to see if uh not knowing the nuts and bolts but that's uh my fault but uh to see if we
can do it in in a different manner or an effic more efficient manner but if you're if you're saying that up the way you did I take your word for it thank you ttim would you like to make a motion motion to approve second motion to approve by councilman
Robbins second by councilman Reinhardt any other discussion all in favor say I I any opposed and and item e is approved 7 to Z and that will take us
to item P for a comment I just wanted to make a quick comment on item P chairman if that's okay yeah I just said item P comment are you gonna start or would you like uh I don't need staff I just I I just I pulled that not for a vote just to make
it at the end of the consent agenda because Mr Nicholson brought up you know a very valid point which was how often are you all adjusting the rates at the parking garage and we adjusted the rates for the Ocean Center Parking Garage
about a year and a half ago if my memory serves me right and under the very capable leadership of Lynn Flanders who's in the back wav lens they can see who you are the director of the Ocean Center her implementation and basically
it's a very in my op opinion reviewing the item it was pretty minuscule we didn't have a rate if you stayed 24 hours in the garage now we're going to and we're looking at probably an increase of about $50,000 by this and there was one or two
other small tweaks Lynn that you and your team came up with and I just wanted to say thank you because that I think as Mr Nicholson mentioned is an appropriate way to handle things like this and this way we're not going 10 12 15 years and
hammering everybody with a huge increase I'm for those small incremental increases um that certainly we can uh uh deem as appropriate thank you thank you that brings us to item three which is a
proclamation um that will occur right here on world and and sephtis day you g to start it or Michael Ryan it's yours you want to okay so last year if
you remember gentlemen we did this um Proclamation at the request of cat Atwood uh cat Atwood is a former City Commissioner for the city of Port Orange um cat had to step down early as a result of this very deil debilitating
disease um there's a lot of awareness just in the past year uh that is being brought to this um and in um remembrance of those obviously that suffer from it as well as bringing awareness to it so I'll start with the um the 27 whereas is just
kidding whereas every minute one person is diagnosed diagnosed with entis around the world that's about a half a million cases a year and whereas en sephtis is a serious inflammation of the brain that can be caused by infectious agents autoimmune dis disorders mosquito and
tick bites and other factors and whereas symptoms which can range from mild to severe including fever headache sensitivity to light stiff neck mental confusion and seizures and whereas en sephtis has a high death rate of up to
40% and a relapse rate of 12 to 35% and survivors are often left with an acquired brain injury and long-term neurological complications and whereas early recognition and treatment can save lives and important patient outcomes and
whereas World in sephtis day was launched in 2014 and is recognized annually on February 22nd with the mission to raise Global awareness about analitis and therefore save lives and build better Futures and now therefore we the Valia
County Council of Valia County Florida do hereby Proclaim February 22nd 2025 as world and sephtis day in Belia County and thank Port Orange resident cat Atwood for her valant efforts to elevate and sephtis awareness in our community
dated February 22nd 2025 and signed by Council so if you happen to see cat I was hoping she'd be here today so if you do uh she I know is still U trying to conquer some of the side effects from that so we our thoughts and prayers are with her as well but thank you very much
t for putting this together thank you thank you very much would you like to make a motion to approve your presentation motion to approve second motion to approve by Matt Reinhardt second by councilman
Robbins all in favor say I I I any oppos say no and your presentation passes seven to zero Matt uh item four recognition of the 2024 Citizens Academy uh Data
Page how long have we been doing this George well we did it for uh seven or eight years and then we had a break uh for a while and then uh brought it back uh in 2018 good I get a lot of compliments
from people that go through it and some of which were surprised they took it thought they would be bored and they weren't so good job nothing boring about County Government [Laughter] afternoon chair council members staff
Dana paage human resources and we're here this evening to present to you the 2024 Citizens Academy the participants began their classes weekly every Thursday for 12 weeks in September we met virtually and in person and we kicked it off in week one in person they got to hear meet and hear from the
county manager and ask him um all sorts of questions and then the following weeks they met with all the different departments and divisions and they heard from the presenters they were able to ask them questions in addition we had Saturday Saturday morning field trips that included the landfill the Emergency Operations Center the Fire Training
Center Daytona Beach Library um der Hall so I would be remiss if I didn't take a minute to thank Nicole deso and Casey Hansel who co- facilitated this process and at this time I'd like to present to you the 2024 Citizens Academy
who come up and be recognized and then if it's your pleasure take a picture of the council all yeah are we going to hear their names first are you going to make them say their names get
thank you very much you Dana why don't you read off their names so with us this evening we had Kristen Gandy um John paler Kiren Finley Phyllis Terry Malia Shaina Olen Bill
Partington um we also had Shirley Thompson and Sonia Niles Dana just curious uh did they indicate which department head maybe gave the best talk they loved everyone
equally I would I would ask is this the grand finale of the class being here with us today all right okay it all culminates right here and this is game day so okay how about a motion to approve
this recognition approve motion to approve by Matt Reinhardt second second by councilman Kent all in favor say I I I and he opposed and you are formally recognized
seven to zero and you didn't even have to stand up here and say your own names okay item five the cultural Council recommended modification to the community culture grants
program and you are not Dr bwal yes I am filling inight yep good afternoon chairman um honorable County council members I'm Tim Bailey parks recreation and culture director uh tonight before you or this afternoon before you are the updated recommended modifications to the
community cultural Grant and I just wanted to give uh just the uh an update these were the three items that uh were asked uh by Council to staff and the cultural Council to to review and modify in the current in the
current program and this is an update to the last time we met here uh if you see before you the third column to the right which is on your right hand side of your screen uh that is the updated recommendations uh to the uh Community
cultural Grant so uh the Max Grant uh with for the organizations that are having an operating budget of $40,000 or less would be8 uh $88,000 um there was a request for match uh the cultural Council thought that
because this is startup monies that we wanted to give them a leg up uh to uh to grow and to enhance their program so they they uh they recommended the 8,000 startup fundings with without match but they did uh believe that maximum of
three applications over the org's lifetime at the 40,000 threshold would be appropriate so they reduce the five applications uh over the org's lifetime to three applications over the lifetime and then
uh the next section here where Max Awards shall not exceed 85,000 uh they opted to go with a gradient approach so it gave the op the organiz organizations an opportunity to to adjust so in the upcoming 25 26
fiscal year the maximum Grant amount would be 70 under 2627 the Max Grant amount would be 50,000 uh and then uh up to 35,000 for all future years so that gave um a
significant decrease to where we are now which shall not exceed 85,000 it uh in three years time it would be a maximum Grant Award of 35,000 for all future years um and then uh the the way that that uh that formula would
be devised would be 20% of the first 40,000 10% of all um uh expenses uh over 40,000 to get you up to that uh 35,000 after that three-year ter frame time frame but in the application the
applicant must uh include uh the expenses related to the program that they're using those funds for as well as um their expenses associated with that program and a plan to expand growth so it's going from an operating Grant to
a program based grant and that's that's the important takeaway here uh and the match um there would be a onetoone match so for a $35,000 Grant there'd be have to be a $35,000 uh match for that program or
programs that they're applying for and then uh they could use uh both direct and indirect programming cost attributed to the cultural program offerings uh that they're at asking for funding for and then uh in this uh this next
page here we're really talking about capacity building growing the programs so this is uh kind of a a new program where there'd be one Grant awarded annually to help either an applicant or a group of applicants uh to um hire a
consultant to help them with their programming and uh their their plan for growth and growing that program and look for other alternative funding sources that's a one Grant per year and it could be one applicant or could be a group of
applicants and then the last uh couple of recommendations they they had recommended that the uh the per capita funding rate which if you look at the 611 758 that equates to a dollar eight currently right now per person per capita uh they're recommending that that
be tied to growth so as our population grows the per capita rate for cultural Arts grows and then uh the last item here uh which is uh direct staff to develop a a dashboard and um similar to what we have for Echo there's a lot of
transparency and where the funds go how many uh people are served uh served by that program I think it's a great idea I I uh we can do that internally and that's um in a nutshell the the recommendations that they had come up
with okay thank you sir uh councilman Santiago question on the uh consultant side of thing being able to use funds for Consultants um I like the idea because many of these especially startups can utilize that expertise um to help them be successful right out the
gate often times some of these fail because because they don't have the right guidance that being said um I'm concerned with uh I think the commentary you said that one can take the full 25 or multiple 25s can is there a consideration for
more uh guideline parameters around that so that we it's one one I don't want one person to come in and say hey our consultant's charging us $225,000 okay give it to us yeah it well it's an application process so any any organization can apply right any of the
501c3 cultural organizations can apply um they're they're looking um you know uh to help help them grow so bringing in other nonprofits uh for it's a group of you know those cultural agencies um would definitely benefit everyone so I
as I as I talked to the room on that day it seemed like a lot of folks seemed that they're that's kind of where they're heading bringing in the group to help educate themselves and the and the other 501 c3s to to help them grow their
programs I I I'll wait for my colleagues but um thank you for the explanation I can see that not being what we intend would like for it to be I'd rather put some more guidelines or a cap on that um per entity um because I'm
just concerned with it this was my thoughts I prefer to put a cap on that per consultant applicant Y and that and that was an up to I know I know up to means it could happen right yeah thank you're welcome councilman Kent thank you chairman um Mr
Bailey I apologize you you might not have this information off the top of your head but of our groups set a apply for and receive funding the cultural Council funding of I believe the tune the county puts aside right now currently is like $610,000
611 758 I was close 611 758 yep 6117 58 of the groups that come before us and receive money year after year do do we know which group has the smallest endowment and which group has the
largest and how much money they have in those endowments so I'm sorry I wasn't trying to be funny yep I um let me just take a quick look at at uh what we have the least the the the organization
the 501c3 that received the least amount of money would be the African-American Museum of Arts $373 but you don't have the information about how much money they have in their savings account with I do not this is based on their right historically was
based on the operating program cost or operating costs and so maybe some of them signed a yellow card and they're going to speak maybe they'll share that when they come before the podium thank you very much councilman Santiago I forgot one question just for clarification the
under the funding side that recommendation came from the cultural Council about adopting a $18 cents uh per capita right Y and have that increase based on population what
formula so as the population increases uh 108 applies to the total population uh yeah it would it would increase with the population okay yeah um I'll wait for comments but I have concerns with that also tying future councils to a budget item that should be
discussed annually so thank you um same thing item item uh or page six adopt the current per capita funding at a doll eight what does it mean by um
adjusting for population so right now if you take the 611 758 and you divide it by the County's population you'll get a dollar eight so um that keeping that
relationship intact as the population goes up the per capita would go up proportionally so it'd be it more it would be more than 611 758 it'd be 612,000 at the dollar rate 615,000 at
the dollar rate depending on how how large the population continues to grow okay it would it would still be the dollar eight but it would be more than 611 758 as the population goes up right okay I'll comment on that when
when we get to a debate uh don Dempsey Yeah Tim would we still be able to have like a a catchall um denial clause for good for good reason for instance if we had a a failed organization and they come back and just Rebrand as from ABC
number one to ABC number two and then come in for another fiveyear window of Grants I mean do we have the ability in this proposal to just say that's that's that's not what we intended it's same people different name right so a couple of things one uh the way the the Pol the
recommend the recommendations are here today uh they have to be a new 501c3 uh with at least one year of U operating behind them uh in order to reapply at some point in the future they could you know have a a different name
but the same board say hypothetically because they have to have board members in their 501c3 so could that happen um yeah but there would have to be a question on why they were denied in the first place if they weren't uh if they didn't if they received funding and then they didn't P
they didn't perform right we issue a quarterly payment so if they're not performing they don't get the next quarterly payment so if they if they're not doing if they don't uh successfully run that that program based on what they
pledged in their application then they they do not get their next quarterly payment I'm sorry if they come in under a new name that basically the same players um we would have the ability just on an individual basis to turn it down just for good cause is that right
yeah you could turn down any any one of these 51 c3s um that it comes to you as a recommendation from the cultural Council based on their score and their application right um but you could as a policy board to say I don't want to fund
this organization okay all right thank you councilman Reinhardt Vice chair Reinhardt thank you chair and I I get where Mr Dempsey is going so if you had a 501 was failing we didn't allow them that quarterly amount of money they
failed ultimately and I understand they have to year have a year behind them what mechanism is in place say it's a year down the road it's an entirely new name but same functionality different board maybe even do we have do we keep record of that I think that's what
you're you're going for do we keep record of that so we as a council will know when we're getting ready to award funds hey this is the one that failed you know several years ago under name XXX or whatever so well you wouldn't uh and I'm only
asking this for your benefit because that's where I was going want to thank you an organization that created a new 501c3 you know on year two they can they can apply it doesn't it doesn't prohibit anyone from applying but you as a board if you say well listen they the same board they
closed their doors they didn't perform now they re uh they rename themselves as a as a new 501c3 and they have a year behind them and it comes it meets all the other eligibility requirements it scores on the application uh you could as the recommendations come before you
you could say all right we choose to not fund this organization but from an eligibility standpoint staff's role is to determine if they're eligible and they meet the criteria and then the cultural Council scores and then you as a policy board
can decide if you wanted to fund them or not thank you uh before we go into debate we'll hear from uh couple of uh residents who want to speak on this item first we have John Nicholson John hel beach side um I
congratulate you for beating uh Trump to the uh task of looking at waste in government however um I don't understand and um your reluctance to fund this
particular um entity um having grown up uh it was almost obligatory for all parents to take their children to the Opera to museums to all
kinds of places to church on Sunday it was mandatory so parents thought that education was important and part of that education was cultural education it was a mark of an educated
person to be able to be considered culturally educated apparently you guys don't consider being culturally educated as advantageous all right uh I've been to
one ballet hated it wait too long but I understand those that enjoy it all right um I don't go to concerts uh if I did none of you would
go to a concert that I would go to uh I like Gregorian chant I think I am one half of 1% of the nation that likes Gregorian chant but it is enjoyable to me I grew up with Gregorian
chant and I like it so I would like you to look very carefully when you cut this we've had the um uh Cy Society for 75 years they would
not be eligible because they're presumably hopefully for another 75 years the uh the things that we have uh culturally Define us as a community
people move in to communities because of the education before the cultural ability that that Community provides so rather than cut this I would ask that you increase and have a
standard increase to the amount of money when I first started teaching I was making 1789 a day at your concept you would want me to continue receiving 1789 a day as a
teacher I don't know whether Mr Kent could survive on 1789 a day at his house I couldn't and in the future things are only going to get more expensive for these Cultural Arts so I ask you to
increase it at least yearly thank you thank you Ellen winterm followed by Kathy Thompson followed by Tabitha Schmidt thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today and I appreciate that we're number five on the
agenda truly I'm here on behalf of cinematique of Daytona it's our community's nonprofit art housee Cinema and live music venue and to ask for your support and preserving the space that enriches our local culture supports the artist and brings people together
our venue is more than just a theater it's a home for independent film a stage for local musicians and a gathering place for people of all ages in an era where small independent theaters are disappearing we stand as a
beacon of artistic expression and Community engagement every week we showcase films that challenge Inspire educate movies that you're not going to find at the mainstream theaters we also provide a platform for
musicians to perform ensuring local artists have a place to share their craft with the community by running a non running a nonprofit venue isn't very easy Rising costs limited funding challenges keep
the a space like ours accessible all mean that we rely on grants and the community support your investment will help us to upgrade our equipment when needed keep ticket prices affordable and expand and our programming including film discussions
and live performances that highlight the incredible Talent that's in our community this isn't just about movies or music it's about economic and cultural impact our events bring people to local businesses we create jobs and
make our County a more vibrant place to live without the support we risk losing a vital part of our artistic landscape I urge you to consider the role of cinematique of Daytona that we play in shaping our community and
support us in our mission with your help we can continue to provide a place where there's film music community support and I challenge all of you who have not attended cinematique of Daytona for one of the events be it comedy Jazz film one
of the business meetings that happen on a weekly basis to come by take a tour and look and see what we're all about thank you very much thank you Kathy Thompson Kathy Thompson Daytona Playhouse um I just want to be sure you
understand the math a little bit when we say one to one match that doesn't really mean you put up a onetoone match if we're going to do a project for $50,000 which is what it would take for us to qualify for
$25,000 from you what's first going to happen is we of course have to have our 25,000 but when we're scored the percent our score will impact how much money then so the 25,000 that we're asking
from you gets reduced by to a 94% level and then if there is insufficient money in the $611,000 to fund everybody who has submitted a project to you everyone is cut
by the percent of the total dollars you're missing so let me give you an example we have been qualified for $20,000 for the past five six seven eight years we generally get
$114,000 we get a 94% score one of the highest so that is the reality and it's why that dollar eight growing is very very important very quickly um council member Ken I was not laughing at you if I don't
laugh when somebody says endowment I'll cry I'm very proud of the Legacy I've left with datona Playhouse in making sure the building will be here sir but I would guess you guess easily out of the 32 organizations who are getting a grant
28 of us have no such thing as an endowment we may have some savings set aside for emergencies and Daytona Playhouse just did that we were able to put a 100 ,000 away but we also have an insurance
policy that only covers Us for $1 million for a $3 million building so if we get hit by a lightning strike or a hurricane anything above that we are going to be on the hook for so we are desperate to start building a fund we
would love to have an endowment sir that's um I was going to answer oh you are here I'm sorry council member Johansson you asked last time how come it isn't pay to play and I think it was council member Dempsey that pointed out
when we grew up and I'm putting us together one parent could work and get a house and you could buy a car um and we kids could do some things often sponsored by the recreational department though or our school the Arts
organizations that come to you you don't take care of our facility we are on the hook for full maintenance um and we aren't funded in the same way often Sports organizations are and today two working parents can't afford the
kind of fees they would need for the Arts thank you for your comments Tabitha Schmid thank you Tabitha Schmidt with the Museum of Arts and Sciences I'm the CEO um first I just want you to know I respect and appreciate your responsibility to the taxpayers I
understand what you're trying to do here it's important to review things um I've I've been following this and I've been active but I haven't spoke a lot because I understand and this will be back to uh councilman Kent's comment about the big endowment we we are definitely in a
different boat at the museum than a lot of the other organizations and I don't want that to be a factor in the decision I did want to address we are probably the largest endowment that would be my guest we are a $50 million endowment today which is significant we know this
with the support of the Browns behind us so we are in a very unique position but there is a misnomer that we have all the money in the world to work with um we pull 4% off of that endowment which brings us about 2 million is a year depending on the markets then as an
organization we are either fundraising or earning another $2.5 million to maintain the facility to offer the programs and and uh to serve the community so right now we're actually it's a lot it's about a million that we are trying to raise every year between
our fundraiser between our grants between uh just direct contributions in our membership program the master plan if you've been reading obviously there's a big donation coming that will hopefully bring us to about $125 million endowment again who has that right
that's amazing but we double our operating budget we go from about a 4 and a half million to about a $9 million operating which means we're pulling around 5 million off our endowment and now we're trying to raise another 4 million every year between annual
contributions and earned income so we we we do have to do a lot of work and just like every nonprofit we struggle with not enough staff members not enough resources and a constant tug and pull to to provide a service to the community so thank
you thank you very much and that's the end of public comment we'll go to uh the council to discuss the issue and I'll start with councilman Santiago thank you I learned uh what Gregorian chant is I looked it up pretty
interesting and for those is Gregorian chant is considered powerful due to its unique musical qualities including its Mo modal scales lacked lack of strict Rhythm focused on text and association with ancient religious Traditions so for the audience it's
horri I was going to play it but I said that don't go well but uh to to my colleagues here I think first I want to thank staff and members of the uh the committee that worked together I know it was a little bit of attention in the last meeting and I think for the most part we found the middle ground in the
proposals that I see here um to my colleagues I I think I'm generally okay with the recommendations on the I guess it' be the third column that the board put together with two caveats that I think we should change one I think we should put a guardrail on the grants
excuse me the grant for the consultant I I would like to see something along the line no more than 5,000 per consultant uh applicant to utilize to assist with a a grant or expansion uh process versus just leaving
that open for up to 25,000 and the second thing I would take out of this recommendation is um the adopting of a per capita funding uh annually of one dollar and eight base tying population the reason for that it's not that it's not worthy of it I
prefer not to tie future councils to a budgetary number I think that's something for us and the the industry or the folks that are uh interested in this to come to us annually and say this is what we need this is what we'd like and Advocate each year may not be good it's
it requires work but everything in our budget for the most part competes for dollars um and to separate one uh um and it may be worthy that year but I think the case needs to be made annually just like any other of our budgetary items to discuss how much funding we put towards
each Silo with those two caveats I'd be willing to accept everything that the council the cultural Council modified uh as request thank you Mr chair what do you have the page number for the grants that you were I believe that was uh Slide
Five okay thank you thank you uh councilman Reinhardt thank you chair so I've said it it seems like the last three years um I'll go as one of the biggest advocates for anything cultural um moaz terrific job that you do I was
present and saw the challenges you have yes you you have the big endowment but there's still multiple challenges that go with that that big endowment and you have the luxury and I I use that word Loosely but you have that well it is a luxury you have that luxury of the Browns and and how they feel about
that's personal to them the moaz is is very personal but it comes with as you expand which which we want to see uh but what comes with expansion in time comes a price tag with it um the playhouse I was there during one of the my first
term uh I was with during that tour and I would say out of all the tours that I did nothing Tak taken away from from anyone else but the playhouse needed help and uh what they were challenged with we went home and we put together a bunch of stuff just to donate for props
we didn't have the money but we did found other ways to do it I'm going to continue to be that big advocate for cultural and my I I understand where you gentlemen are coming from um I love the payto playay
explanation I needed to hear that too so I love that and that's true you know um I came from a single mom who didn't have that uh opportunity to put me into certain events as a kid without grants without those types of things that were
there for me to enjoy I'm not the art guy I said that before you know I'm the stick figure guy so but I also see what and how important the ARs do bring from and I explained that story I think two years ago with the the inmate that was the behavioral problem and how we took
art and turned him into one of the best behaved inmates that we have so it is important I've seen that Roi you know not in the dollar amount but I've seen it how it impacts people so um I'm very happy with the fact that the cultural
Council went back with an open mind uh you met again and I'm actually in favor of their their modified recommendations um the Consulting caveat I I agree but I don't know if I and I understand understand where you're
coming from with the other but I don't know if I agree with the the dollar rate you know changing that so um I I'd be willing to go with with um the modified recommendations with your first caveat I'm okay with that the 5,000 cave for
Consulting for the Consulting um but um not on the other but yes and then I'll I'll wait to hear what the rest of the colleagues say thank you thank you uh councilman Johansson thank you sir
um a couple items based on on remarks um I love Gregorian chants I listen to a band called Enigma which is very close to a gregori en chant um I very much appreciate Cultural
Arts there's some people here who uh who are in Cultural Arts that know that my 10 or 11 years here in the county I have supported one or many of you uh depending on on uh on my job um and
and I like Cultural Arts because it it framed who I was um I was able to travel the world in my previous job in the military and I got to see Cultural Arts that that if you haven't been out of Luchia County
man pick up a history book and look but it's all beautiful and if it wasn't for people giving Michelangelo money and time and paint we wouldn't have some of those beautiful things
um however um uh in some cases the government paid for those beautiful things in some cases they didn't uh I'd like to talk a little bit about pay to play um I run an organization that that Loosely does a lot of
free work for culture Civic leadership um and um and and other board responsibilities where the underprivileged have an opportunity to experience the things
that privileged youth in my case uh uh get to experience and that's not done by knocking on government store asking for money saying if you don't do this the kids won't get
um I I found just personally I found that that scholarships are available at all levels uh I had two boys play a Varsity Sports where they're pay to play and we we could afford to pay we wrote a
check there's other kids that couldn't and we wrote a check so there are people people out there are willing to go the extra mile to allow the people are less fortunate to play without making them
feel bad and and getting to spend some time in a band band boosters um uh in ballet uh and things of that nature so I am still a big fan of pay to play
where where it matters I also understand that there's a lot of culture arts and there are a lot of Arts type organizations out there that are kind of duplicative in their
efforts um and and because you're passionate about something over here and and one city over you're passionate about the same thing but have a different organization but you both come to the table looking for money then then
you know from up here I'm like why why can't you just both get together and we can help you fund one organization a lot of times that doesn't happen as well but I I think there's some Merit to um the
the cultural Council and and the cultural organizations around the county to look at ways to uh be the best we can be without being little factions here in there where we're able um so so those
are my thoughts having said that uh I like what the cultural Council has done uh moving forward they're not where I want to be but uh if you want to do that incremental approach that me and uh Mr Kent continually talk about uh I
might be willing to go with the cultural modified recommendations in the short term looking toward getting to something of of uh of less of a dependency on the government dollar year after year and to
maybe um uh find some new and upcoming cultural items that that I think are important as well um none that I can name right now um so that's where I sit with that and I appreciate the time chairman thank you thank you councilman Kent thank you
both to the uh um different organizations that got up and you answered my question uh you have zero in an endowment but you have $100,000 in a savings account congratulations um you have $50 million in an endowment looking at having 100 million or 150
million in the future congratulations the easy thing in my opinion is to say yes to everybody keeps you happy keeps most people happy what do you want yes what do you want yes Mike George Suzanne tell
me what you want just going to tell you yes keeps everybody happy my children no was the hard hard word dad can Brandon spend the night yes Dad can we have popcorn after dinner yes Dad can we watch this movie yes Dad can we go
across a18 to go check the waves no why well because you're 11 years old you're not going to cross A1 a without a parent with but Brandon's parents said they would let him do it I don't care what Brandon's parents do I'm your parent but but oh my gosh yes would have
just been easier but it's not the right thing to do so Council I need some help from you gentlemen because I thought what we talked about as a group
collectively was we wanted to have a program that was going to help the new and upcoming groups and those that have received this cultural money year after year after
year we would stop that or wean them off of that and help those new groups and I've heard a little bit about you I think this is a you know a good way to kind of come to a somewhere in the middle I I look at this cultural
Council initial recommendation maximum Grant award they want 8 Grand we say up to 8 Grand with a one toone match required their modified recommendation up to 8 Grand with no match where was the bend on that next page
over cultural Council recommendation shall not exceed $85,000 staff comes back with an alternative recommendation up to 25,000 what do they agree upon up to
70,000 this year 50,000 next year and then we'll get down to 35,000 after that where's that meet in the middle on that the one under that the funding formula was at 40,000 we talk about application
including a plan as to how the project will expand access and money they propose a 35,000 so from 40,000 down to 35,000 the match formula outlined above an organization with 75,000 operating
budget is eligible for $1,500 Grant we say all organizations eligible for a $25,000 Grant if matching funds are provided all all organizations eligible for a grant if one toone matching funds are provided they agree with us on that one good I'm pleased with that on the
last page that staff had before we got to the additional recommendations the maximum award was going to be $25,000 staff comes back with up to $10,000 with a onetoone match cultural Council modified recommendation is up to
$25,000 right where it started I'm like where are we in this negotiation I mean it doesn't seem like we accomplished anything that we talked about and we've had these fine people out here now three or four
times and we also love going to play and concerts and just observing art in public places which is why Mr Robbins I was an advocate for us spending those
one-time tax dollars when we're building a new building over a million dollars to have that public art and public places this is a every year every year this is what we're going to spend and the plan to help those new
upcoming groups I don't see it so I just need a little bit of guidance and direction from someone up here who can make me more comfortable with going with what the cultural Council modified recommendations are because a couple a couple people seem
like it's they're good they're they're they're good to go it it's easy to say yes when it's not your money thank you uh thank you um Mr Ken I'm probably not going to be the one that can help
you with that because I agree with most of the things you uh pointed out I agree with uh councilman Santiago's um concern about the item on page five uh creating a $5,000 cap my biggest concern
is on page six with a dollar eight for culture art as as you stated I think Mr Santiago that we're locking that in for future um councils I I think you are right Troy of where we started and how
we got here but if correct me if I'm wrong I think the very first thing that happened is that we debated eliminating the cultural Council completely and then we went to okay how
can we wean uh nonprofits off of government money so they can be self- sustaining um I thought that was the goal and this really doesn't take there on on
slide six it says adopt the current per capita funding rate of a do eight for Cultural Arts and tie to population adjustments I would be in favor of this um I I don't like the whole package I
really like what our staff brought back as the initial recommendations I thought it was fair and um but a lot of that went back I still asked staff are you happy with this and they felt like yeah
this is the best they could get in negotiations but so this is our turn to negotiate I guess what I would like to see with the dollar eight um adjustments for population is that as population
goes up that number goes down um um I would probably the dollar a per capita goes down I would really prefer that we step it down in the next three
years um to where they do stand on their own go from a doll eight to 75 C to 50 cents to to zero I know that sounds cold to all you people out here that enjoy the Arts I enjoy the
Arts I've been to cinematique I love it it's they play Mo mov that you don't see anywhere some of them very edgy they sell tickets for the movies they sell food I think they could easily be self-
sustaining um and the the you you just get better when you know you have to stand on your own the um uh there's many many places in the county that I enjoy going that my
family's members of I have daughters that are artists um I do support the Arts what I don't support what I really struggle with is that as we look at budgets and how much tax
money we can take from the public we already have people in Valia County that can't pay their property taxes their home insurance the Schoolboard taxes and their mortgage or rent right now and so
we need to focus like a laser beam on how do we cut um taxes and I know most people in this rumor thinking it's $600,000 a year but we can look at everything like that it's just a little bit let it go we have to start at some
point saying is it the government's core responsibility to support nonprofits and I I'm struggling with the answer to that so uh David Santiago thank you Mr chair you know we
went back to the beginning of this I think this was uh almost two years ago um that this first came up and I did that's where that's where I'm kind of like not laughing but internally saying oh my gosh look where we're at because you know I remember I brought up
this subject about cutting this completely I started it and and I'll say public I took a good licking for that one um and uh I still have scars from that from that that issue um and if you recall this room was full uh and I think a standing room only
um when that was on the table at the time um and then I think I said during our last meeting of this topic that you know I've had an evolution um and evolved in this my thought process as to the value that Arts has in a community
and it was it was very some insightful um conversation I had with with various people in the community so my position has changed there now you know Troy to kind of address your concerns and I think yours Mr chair I I think is this
perfect probably not um and you know if if if I could live with it because I think we made progress with the exception of removing the per capita thing again I don't like I don't ever like locking down future
councils to spending a certain amount um I think that's a conversation for each Council whoever is sitting up here only for that reason not for the actual dollar amount it could be 50 cents it could be $2 don't lock in for the councils I don't I don't like that practice um let that governing body at
the time decide what they want to fund um and I think I think as um Matt R mentioned he'd agreed with capping the 5,000 so I personally can live with those two items changed and the recommendation from the council some of my colleagues think it should be
different um make some suggestions is what I would say you know I use Danny's words you what do you say sling that pistol uh sling that pistol make some recommendations and see if we can live with it but as of right now I'd be okay with the recommendations with those two
caveats thank you Mr chair and I I was going to make a motion but I'll wait until I hear more thank you I I did make a suggestion that we reduce the dollar rate uh per capita um each year for the next three years but uh councilman
Dempsey I don't know if this would even fly but um this seems like this is going to be a recurring issue for all future councils um I think we all agree that Cultural Arts is important to our community it
really does offer a lot like I told you guys last time I went downtown to land at a great time at the Athens theater dinner down town it was just a great experience I'm sure the samees on the east side Arts as well but having owned a comedy club
um for six years I lost money and fortunately through my law practice and stuff I was able to subsidize it with my own money never even thought to go to the government for uh for assistance and I can see these guys are all fiscal conservatives and it's not fair for us
to give somebody else's money to support something that another person likes I I get the dilemma and I don't think no matter what we decide today it's going to be a recurring problem year after year so so why not I mean we got a charter review coming up put it on a
referendum in 26 let the taxpayers vote on whether they want to have a special assessment a millage so to speak and let them decide if they want to fund 600,000 um for the next so many years or whatever 10 20 whatever and let them
decide if they feel that the cultural arts are worthy of taxes and then the onus isn't on us next year and it isn't on on future councils and just let the taxpayers decide for themselves what they want you know nothing exorbitant like but they've done it with Echo
they've done it with fuchia forever um I'd be in favor of just kind of keeping these guys going because I think they do depend on the money and a lot of them aren't in a position to be able to come out of pocket and keep them going I you know the Athens was packed when I was there I know they're packed a lot but
they're only open six hours a week you know so when you're there it looks like they're making a lot of money money but then the other six nights s or whatever five nights a week they're dark and they're not generating any Revenue so it while you're there you're thinking yeah
they're rolling in it but they're really not I went through that with my club we were packed every Friday every s packed people thought I was in high cotton but I wasn't I was losing money so I I get their dilemma I get their need um and there definitely is a benefit to the
community so it's I don't like being here having to make this choice we I think I went through it too with you David two years ago because the conservative in me just says cut it you know it's it's not so I think maybe if we could just let the taxpayers at least bring it up as a discussion for a couple
years from now but I'm in favor of giving them some sort of support however you guys want to do it but that's all thanks guys councilman Troy Kent Don that's not a bad idea at all um you know let let the uh let the taxpayers take a look at that line item
and and see if if that's something that that they want to fund and and David I'm with you um on how much of a value the Arts are in our community there's no there's no doubt about it you know it it
separates us I think um in a good way with those that don't have as much and also those that have more you can feel it I'm with you on that but I thought you know and and uh
um I remember you taking it on the chin for leading it with that I think Don now that you brought it up Don I think you were right there with them and you know um but I thought that your plan wasn't just to just you know at first completely get
rid of this because you do value arts in our community but the plan was to it was twofold if I remember correctly help the new upcoming nonprofits and the second part was to stop the
continual funding for the ones that have been around for decades because how long and this is a valid question I have for you gentlemen how long and if the answer is in perpetuity
okay how long do the taxpayers of Luchia County continue to subsidize these nonprofits for the the Arts and I'm not saying there's not a wrong answer here because you really in your in your heart of hearts could feel
like forever it's what we should do that's what separates us you said it earlier councilman Kent it's what separates us from other communities and we should put that money there I I just thought you know like Don said you know you were at one point like hey you know we should we should not be funding this
and I'm going to go back to what I said earlier um and guilty because I sit up here and say yes and no with you six gentlemen and we spend one we're going to spend 1.4 1.5 billion dollar this year of taxpayer money on different
projects and needs and wants so at what point and do we have a plan in place to help these nonprofits
be more self-sufficient and Don I was I just had never come over this way to go to your Comedy Club but you're right I think if IID walked in on a Friday or Saturday night and saw it packed to the gills I would have thought you were rolling in the dough you know
and you know I I appreciate um I don't always agree with Mr Nicholson but I appreciate you know him coming forward and saying no you should you should increase it I don't know how long Mr Nicholson's lived in his home I don't know his taxes for the year it's public record they could be $200 $400 $800
$3,000 I don't know but if he's lived there a long time and they're 300 bucks not bad to say increase it every year compared to compared to a brand new couple who's moved here and buys the
house right next to you and they're paying $7,000 a year in property taxes more than than that you say you know well now they're paying that extra you know this is brand new young couple out of college maybe they chose like my wife and me to become
Educators and now you know they got to deal with with that so it sounds like a broken tax process David doesn't it something that the state and something that you are you uh councilman Santiago brought up at the at
the last meeting and um I'll tell you when that time comes about where I stand on the fair tax and how I bought the 10 books and passed them out to everybody I helped John Linder and Neil borts back in the day but we'll save that for another time but I figured since I had
58 seconds left I could share I could share that with you gentlemen I'm not against the Arts I'm an advocate for them I want to help them just like I was against Orman Beach
spending money on a statue that was going to be in Daytona Beach I was against spending those taxpayer dollars on it I went home that night and wrote a check on behalf of Heather and Troy Kent out of our personal account to support it but I didn't want to put the
taxpayers on the hook for that we've been putting the taxpayers on the hook for this I'm not saying I'm going to be a no to it I just want to know do we have a plan to make help this become self-sufficient
it's not perfect do you have a plan to help me get it perfect more perfect tonight do we have something we can come up with because if not it's easy we just say yes and continues basically the way it was councilman Santiago I was planning to stay quiet on
this topic Mr CH I'm still my wounds are opening in my back right now from the last time um you know I I don't know if we can get to to perfect or close to perfect tonight but I do subscribe to your idea
Don because this is going to be a an ongoing issue for future councils forever uh I do subscribe to the idea let's put the question with with I'll say guardrails right um and maybe consider that um as we prepare I I think in a well we're going to start talking
about referendum stuff U this year later this year I believe and maybe staff and legal could look into how we can package something like this um and let the people decide you know what the people's commitment is to Arts um so I support
that that concept that being said I think what we have here for today is progress and it's not where I want it to be I agree with you but I started looking at it again while you were talking I'm like where do I find a you know I try to be the dealmaker often and I'm trying to find a spot to to make
that deal and I'm struggling right now uh Troy but I think with the suggestion of maybe light at the end of the tunnel to allow the public to make that recommendation to us on their commitment I'm going to stick with Mr chair I'll
make a motion to approve the council cultural Council modified recommendations with two changes a Max cap of $5,000 for consultant per entity uh for uh assistance in growth or new starts and to eliminate any language uh
as it pertains to the per cap capita that is my motion okay so no reference to per capita funding the way it's described in six or anywhere else that's correct I don't think the motion requires the referendum stuff I think
that's just guidance so it uh the per capita just Remains the Same until whatever our budget amount is next year uh let me ask County yeah Michael Dyer you're up how long would it take for a referendum to come up and what would be required to do that uh it has to be at a
general election so be talking 2026 um I think and we can talk about it as a group to make sure I I think what you're talking about is statute does allow us to call what they call a straw pole um to put that on the general
election ballot when we had eeko in Forever um really the reason why that was really a bond referendum because the forever money's could be bonded that had to be voter approved what you're talking about here isn't we're not talking about
bonding this money so I think it could be a strugle so it's more symbolic from the from the consti well I think to get guidance on an issue um I think is why it was set up the way it was or it's an available tool but we wouldn't need that in this
motion that's just direction of staff to talk about I think we can have that discussion I don't think it' be a charter change necessarily but it'd be a ref better because put in the charter is very sensitive so it it sounds like we just had that discussion for more
information so yeah that will be for okay so uh I know Miss conin she had a question she just want to confirm if I could U thank you Michael uh Mr Santiago in your motion on the capping of the
consultant to 5,000 per applicant the bottom line on Slide Five says one Grant awarded annually did you intend it to be one Grant of 5,000 or keep the 25,000 cap of 5,000 cap per entity what I wanted to ensure and maybe you can write
it whichever way you think is is appropriate is to ensure that no one entity absorb the entire $25,000 in Consulting fees and be able to pull that down so allow for more to utilize that bucket of 25,000 okay so
we'll we'll treat it as a bucket of 25,000 no more than 5,000 per entity entities could apply together and multiply uh their amount thank you very much just that works for me Mr
okay uh who's left you just spoke I spoke Michael Dyer spoke Motion in a second right and cons we have a motion from you second no second I'll second that motion was made by David Santiago
the second is by Matt Reinhardt and it's for the uh uh proposal as written with two changes the $5,000 cap for cons consultants and no
mention of per capita funding rates which basically locks it into where it is until next year yeah I think the way I understand it chair would be whatever we appropriate in our budget every year right yeah this year
it's I think 108 this year okay yeah you're notos changing that next yeah this year thank you okay um I just have one other comment J sure Matt uh Vice chair Matt Reinhardt sorry I seconded that motion D
I see it taking the temperature up here that that's going to be the one way we can get something through to help them so um I still feel where I felt but I understand that the the temperature of this of this Council where it's at so in order to get it
pushed that's some reason for my second I didn't want to say that I was changing my mind but I am changing my mind all right with respect to that only okay um any other comments or discussion then uh I call for the vote
Carissa would you call the rooll Mr Reinhardt yes Mr Robbins yes Mr Santiago yes Mr dimsey yes Mr Johansson yes Mr Kent yes Mr Brower
no and the motion is approved six to one that takes us to item six the animal abuse database inclusion period good evening good evening Randa matusak andm director of public protection uh so yeah so this
is item uh six it's just expanding the inclusion period for the animal abuse database and what the animal abuse database is is actually just a listing of uh people who have been uh convicted of a misdemeanor or felony animal
related offense uh so it's basically a report that pulls from the clerk's uh database or from the clerk's data um and it's updated nightly and um um Council in 2019 unanimously approved this uh database and it was actually implemented in June of that year and the intention
here is to provide a tool for people who are attempting to place animals who are up for adoption or for sale and ensure that those animals don't go into homes of people who have been you know convicted of animal um animal related crimes uh currently on the database it
presents uh their mug shot if they were uh in the uh jail name data burst kith case number uh charge and type and right now we limit the people that are on that database to 10 years and so uh recently there was a uh database was started in
simol County uh they included actually an indefinite inclusion period uh and so a member of the public reached out to see if we could update our database then to include an indefinite uh inclusion period there instead of the 10 years that we have right now a couple of
concerns from legal just basically including um those who have their rights to own a pet restored or who have um whose prohibition to own a pet just doesn't last anything any term beyond what the um what the penalty phase of their
sentence was so uh those are some concerns if people are on the uh database indefinitely um so I'll just read this for you real quick I won't read this I promise uh so these are just necessary statements then that we would provide on our website uh to make sure that people know what the intention is
for and then a disclaim claimer for uh any kind of issues with accuracy because it is pulled from the clerk's data and not our own so um with that we would just be looking for direction from you on whether you wanted to extend that inclusion period or basically lift the
10 years um and we do have a resolution uh ready for you to approve if that's the direction that you want to go so um with that I'll answer any kind of questions thank you uh Vice chair Reinhardt thank you chair some of these I know already cost to valicia County
nothing zero um other counties involved is seol the only one there's several there was a memo that legal put together for you so there are several um simol is the only one that we know of right now that has an indefinite um period of inclusion but Hillsboro County looks to
have one Maran Pasco Leon and Oola also so we did some of this research in 2019 uh when we were looking to implement it and those have really around a 3 to five year inclusion period so this would be on the on the farther end of uh what people are doing right now but simol did
just pass there uh indefinite okay and there is a state law in the works from my understanding so and I commend Mrs Sereno for all your hard work on this along with our clerk thank you very much for that um most of us up here have pets
um we are going to chip in and get uh Jake and David Alama um speak because they don't they're not cat guys either so we didn't know where to go on that I have two cats have two cats David's the only one we're only getting one llama now so we just save some money guys so anyways um that
being said um I was in support of this from the get-go when we got the call on that so I would like to make a motion expanding the animal abuse database inclusionary period to indefinite second second okay the motion is to increase the time to indefinite made by Vice
chair [Music] Reinhardt and this second I was it uh Danny Robins or Jake Danny Robbins David you have a llama coming or in definite okay uh councilman Kent thank
you chairman yeah I'm I'm in favor of this Council I'll I'll um be voting a positive yes on this uh has it no hesitation this time when this vote comes before me right now uh I'll just I'll just tell tell you you know there there are people that are
just animal lovers doesn't matter what kind of animal it is and I look at my wife and son and they are the best dog owners I know um my wife if she's
listening won't like this comment but I I say it right to her she's the most amazing dog owner I know only behind Wyatt and she says no she's better than than our son um and I let them have that healthy discussion back and forth with
it but our dogs bring so much joy into our lives and it doesn't matter what kind of day you're having they're going to wag their tail at you when they see you and that
changes everything for a lot of people so I'm I'm pleased that we are taking a tougher stance on this this is Valia County putting an exclamation point on where we stand in our
community on abuse of animals it will not be tolerated and it's a strong powerful message thank you thank you uh Michael Dyer any what are the issues with a with
it uh being indefinite does it put us in any I think you could do it I think uh if I could i' like to have um Miss wink speak to that question Morgan's my consistant County attorney um so we do
have a language within both the disclaimer and the resolution that um an individual who has whose time period uh to not own an animal or who has uh taken some actions um would have the ability to notify Animal Services um and be
removed from the list um so we do have that option um so that so that we aren't impeding on their rights okay thank you but otherwise I think I think it's something you can do if you you wish okay yeah I I think I'm
with everybody else I'm certainly with uh what Troy mentioned um probably nothing worse than than this than uh beating a 2-year-old child abuse um you know some sometimes I wish we
could go into the home and remove a father or mother I gave a dog away we gave a bunch of dogs away after a litter one uh we be wonderful homes one of them went to a high school friend that I
hadn't had contact with since we got out of high school and he got sick went to the hospital his fiance called me and says you got to come get this dog because he's abused he's punched constantly so
we went to get the dog we ended up bringing back two they ALS they had another puppy that was um the the young one has progressed well the older one is still scared to death of men and it's a scar that never goes
away so perhaps that's appropriate for a penalty that never goes away so I'm I'm with you on this anyone else care to speak to the motion all in favor say I I any opposed and the indefinite period is
approved 7 to zero Mr chair I did have a public a public participation form from Mr Reno I don't see it oh I would have called you had I seen
it do we need to undo our vote okay member of the public to speak on item six uh Debbie darino good evening I want to thank you all for voting yes on that uh request I want to give you a little back uh
Insight on why um I was actually the the one that helped seal County create database and suggest that we do it for basically forever animal abusers don't stop abusing animals no matter how many times
you put them in jail that's the number one reason I felt that it was time we up that um time frame um they don't uh they just don't stop and I can tell you from experience because the majority of animal abuse
cases I get called on what do we do about this who do we call what do we do I reach out to the state attorney Animal Control whoever I need to um to help with those those cases and so as you
know you mentioned I am working on two bills uh they're uh set for the 2025 session one of them is called Dexter's law and it's going to increase the uh points on the criminal punishment score sheet for horrific cases like
Dexter and also it considers um animals as victims under section three and so that's a big deal for Animals because there's only two victims in the world and it's people and animals it's nobody else so the
Statewide animal abuse data base is going to work just like the Lucia counties the one that I presented here in 2019 the first month it was up two people went to the uh Halifax Humane Society looking to adopt out animals and
they were both in the database so point was made there um can I keep track of all the ones that have been you know checked out in there no I don't have you know that capacity but I can tell you the first month it was up um so I just you know want to say
thank you it says a lot about uh Council and our community when we support uh the fight against uh animal abuse I've had to go to many cities where they somewhat you know follow the
laws and the ordinances I uh passed the anti-tethering ordinances in many of the cities in the county um I did the database pont's law was my bill that passed um we expect dector law uh to pass as well it's got a
very big support behind it and so I just appreciate it thank you thank you very much okay this uh that takes us to item seven which is a proposed vacation of a
portion of plat number two at West Highlands subdivision this is a quasi judicial hearing is there any Council member that has any expart to declare no nobody's taken a vacation okay that'd be nice good evening Tad
casbeer County engineer uh as stated this is a request to vacate a portion of uh plat two of the West Highlands this is a 25 foot uh Alleyway squeezed in between the petitioner's property and lots owned by the county we have no use for uh this particular Alleyway uh as
we've done anytime an Alleyway comes up we certainly recommend uh not uh or recommend the vacation of it and do so in this case no utilities have any issues and none of the property owners uh in the nearby area had any complaints thank you do I have a motion
there any qu any questions for Tad first okay uh Danny Robbins for a motion motion to approve the vacation of this uh partial as presented second Johansson Danny Robbins makes the motion to approve the vacation and Jake
Johansson made the second and um any other discussion all in favor say I I any opposed and the motion carries
um 6 to zero and we will check with u Mr Santiago and get his vote when he when he returns um similarly item eight is a proposed vacation of a platted drainage
in utility easement within uh Autumn Woods this is also a quasi judicial hearing does any council member have any expar they need to declare no there is none okay again Tad casbeer County
engineer uh the petitioner the owner of lot 100 is seeking the vacation of a 20 foot drainage easement along their rear as well as uh 10 foot utility easement along their rear and 7 and 1/2 foot uh easements on each side of their lot consistent with the exhibit uh the
county has no use for these easements and recommends their vacation okay uh Vice chair Reinhardt makes a motion to approve second by Danny Robbins any [Music]
questions any debate all in favor of the vacations say I I any opposed osed and that also is there a motion on that yes okay Matt made the
motion that also passes 6 to zero so we will check with councilman Santiago when it Returns on items seven and eight but we'll move on to item nine another quasi judicial hearing um
time extension for a special exception for temporary campsites on Prime Agland on County Road 15 does any council member have any expar they need to declare on this item none at
all okay all right thank you very much um Carol McFarlan director of planning and development services this is a two-year time extension on a special exception um on the Southeast corner of State Road 415 and Pioneer Trail Road
it's 4.8 Acres there are 150 I pushed the wrong button there are 150 campsites um that are open during uh special events the three days before during and after some
of the racing events as well as B bober Fest in bik wheat you're G to help me thank you okay it's new right okay all right great thank you so there's 150 campsites um that are open during racing events
the site has been in or this use has been in place since 1996 the most recent approval was in 2015 for a 10-year special exception approval the applicant is looking to do all the same things from 2015 the same
plan the same um conditions of approval that relate to safety and sanitation um but the reason why they're asking for a two-year extension as opposed to a 10-year extension is because of the construction of a
roundabout on 415 and Pioneer Trail Road um it could affect some of his entrances and exits if you um look at the applicants handr map you can see that they're close to the intersection um so rather than try to design it now just kind of wait for the
design and the construction to happen a bit more and then um they'll come in with a plan uh in two years the case Was Heard by the planning and Land Development regulation Commission on January 16th there was no public participation and the uh commission
voted to forward this to County council with a recommended with all the recommended um conditions and an approval from staff uh yes from staff and the commission recommended approval correct okay uh councilman Robbins
motion to approve the uh two-year uh extension as presented second Johansson you have a motion to approve uh this uh extension with all of the requirements from uh
staff motion by Danny Robbins and the second by Jake Johansson any questions comments all in favor say I I any opposed and motion carries 7 to zero and
while before we go on let me ask uh David Santiago on both yes on both vacations yes sir okay thank you so it's uh 7 to zero on
item seven and 7 to zero on item 8 7 to Zer on item nine and that takes us to item 10 ordinance [Music] 2025-the
17th Council voted uh 70 to bring back this proposal so what's attached to this agenda uh is the same version that was in front of you from September last year I have Sarah Jonas here who has worked on it that can provide you an overview
of the ordinance if you like I leave that up to council uh we're we're available to answer any questions you may have thank you is there uh any questions for Sarah Jonas from Council councilman Dempsey yes um Miss Jonas would this
Supply to both Halifax and Advent Health uh that's correct it applies to any 501c3 Hospital okay all right thank you councilman Johansson SL my question okay uh one question both
Hospital groups um anybody else EMS correct it applies to 501c3 nonprofit Hospital hospitals um any the hospital districts um and County
EMS okay okay um I don't see any other questions before we go before we discuss it there is several people from the public who would like to speak uh I'll call you just come down to
the front you'll have three minutes to discuss the item uh Tom Caldwell good afternoon thank you for coming yes yes thank you my name is H Tom Caldwell and I've been a lawyer uh in vucha county for about 32 years now
representing defendants for the first 10 of those years Geico State Farm All State uh Mercury which was one of the parties in this case that that got this whole thing started in 2012 as well as as plaintiffs that have
been involved in in personal injury cases and really what I want to do is just push a couple thoughts kind of towards the middle of the table for your consideration when you decide this this
issue if if first off if memory serves me right we actually I was here in April of last year and I I think the some of the council members were hoping that we could get together and see if we could
compromise on some of these issues that that we spoke about I I didn't receive a call not that I have to be called on every every one of these issues but I I didn't receive a call I'm not I've called around I'm not aware if anyone received a call the the version of the bill I think is very similar to the bill
uh that was discussed back in April of of 2024 and so essentially what you're being asked to do is prioritize a hospital bill uh over other bills that the
injured person could potentially have that could be bills to other doctors that could be mortgage payments um that could be uh rent that's due to to landlords could be utility bills essentially that's what you're being
asked to do um and and that can be tough for the injured person right and that's what I do right now but that injured person needs the money not just for hospital bills but to pay other bills and
particularly in in situations if if the the hospital is concerned about the size of the bill um it's going to be a large bill it's probably going to be a large Bill and that person is going to need the money the injured party is going to need the money um for other for other sources not that
the hospital should be left out they obviously should last time they were asking to have a seat at the table when you look at the the bill the ordinance it makes me wonder if they're trying to muscle everybody out away from the table I'm just going to look at one section I
know I've got limited time here it's basically um it is five 58 pardon me and I may be able to address this it's actually
58134 it basically gives the hospital a cause of action to file a lawsuit if their lean has been been impaired so I would just ask that you look at this carefully uh before voting on it it could create more litigation thank you
thank you for your comments uh Dr Leonard Roman good afternoon chair Brower and board members my name is Dr Lenard Roman I'm a chiropractic physician uh my offices are three of the offices are here in Belia
County one of them is uh in Orange City and we've been there over 40 years uh I'm going to speak briefly on the inequality of the ordinance on Health Care Professionals there's uh there's a reason there's only eight counties out of the 67 that have some version of a
hospital lean ordinance why favoritism creates un favoritism for the rest of the of the of us providers all you have to do is look right to The Heading of the agenda item to understand what I mean and I quote establishing for
certain medical providers an entitlement to leans for certain outstanding charges the hospital's uh definition of entitlement basically is amount to which they think they have a right but to your constituents and to
your doctors in your area we view it as their belief that they are inherently deserving of a privilege or special treatment that we are not the ordinance is nothing more than that type of entitlement they already have equations and pay scales in place to give them
benefit over other providers part of it's already written in the Florida PIP statutes the insurer already must Reserve $5,000 of personal injury protection benefits for payments for doctors specifically MDS dos and dentists who provide emergency services
in care and they are required to hold that money in reserve and they have 30 days from that time of the of of service to submit the bill we don't have that op option all we're asking
for is that we keep a Level Playing Field we have a right to send our patients to collections we don't and there's a reason for that we've seen them 20 30 40 times after a car accident we've developed relationships with your
constituents we've developed personal relationships with the patients and what does that say about us or our society if we're sending people who are already hurting because they don't have the money left after a car accident because the hospital used it
all they have no money left to pay us and we take them to court we're the ones trying to get the patients back to work and doing what we can to help this ordinance makes it much harder for us to help please vote no on
the proposed ordinance thank you thank you for your comments Dr Tim stepick good afternoon chair Brower and the board members so my name is Dr Tim steppick and I've been a chiropractic physician in Valia County for 15 years I
have a practice in Edgewater um first we only selected three speakers we we were before you guys in April as well too if you're if you remember um but I just like to show uh show up hands or stand up how many here are other doctors that took time
out of work to come here to oppose the bill or the ordinance you just [Music] show we're not all going to speak because we respect your time but we are unified in what we're saying here um first of all it's going to affect our
patients your constituents it's not going to affect those who are low income because they have Medicaid it won't affect the seniors because they have Medicare and it won't affect those with really good health insurance or state insurance but it will affect those like myself a
small business owner uninsured who goes to the hospital where is the first place a person typically goes after a car accident it's the hospital the hospital is entitled to that uh those those funds and the first
ones to them so uh you may know that the car insurance there's $10,000 of personal injury protection available to them if they go to a hospital most of that money all of that money is typically gone part of the reason that it's gone is because
hospitals are already entitled to a higher fee schedule than doctors from the same uh health insurance or pip Insurance they're entitled of four times the amount that Medicare pays and 10 times what Medicaid pays so that money
goes very quickly when they go to the hospital and most of it it is typically gone if they go to the hospital at all once they leave the hospital they typically still need ongoing care that your orthopedic doctors your chiropractic Physicians and your imaging
centers if they need followup MRIs or or other treatments so um what this you know Dr Rolan already spoke to how this creates an inequality to who gets paid and who gets paid first and that affects the patient um when it comes time to to
settle their bill and to figure figure out who who it is who gets paid so this is going to have a devastating effect on the post hosp treatment for the patient they're not going to be able to find doctors that will want to accept their cases because we know if they go to the hospital
they're already entitled to that money and there's words in the bill that say may may reduce their fee reasonable things that are not that are all subjective to what a person may particularly find and how they interpret that particular ordinance uh which would
create that inequality so uh please consider to vote no and how it's going to affect the constituents thank [Music] you thank you uh Dr Lester Carrero good afternoon chair Brower
members of the U board it's good to see you guys um it seems like it's a Deja Vu because we were here April 2nd and talking about the same thing here we go all over
again going to speak briefly on the unintended consequences of the ordinance forcing accident victims to the ER and increase the use of opioids I know your first thought of how
strange it is that the hospital lean ordinance makes you jump into opioids so let me explain as the earlier speaker touched on it is the uninsured working
class who this lean will mostly impact the same class of people also get medical care get chiropratic care Physical Therapy orthopedic imagings and so
on these people are the ones that are affected the most if this Hospital lean ordinance passes they will no longer be able to obtain this kind of care because the providers will not treat for
free or for pennies on the dollars we do do we do that these injured accident victims will instead go to the ER when they are in pain this will drive
up the cost of care this is a direct path for self-medicating with opioids these individuals have to work to survive if they are in constant pain
will have to take meds and get through the day because again Medical Care chiropratic Care physical therapy care and others will not be available to them according to the Florida highway
safety and mortar vehicles to uh 2022 annual report belua County accounts for the 10th highest County of car crashes in the 60 Seven Counties in
Florida in other words we see a lot of auto accident victims each year as the 10th highest county in the state where car accidents occur there is
not a good ordinance for small Physicians offices like myself for patients or for constituents who will be forced into going in into the r the ER to get Care thank
you please vote no to this ordinance thank you and that concludes public participation uh do we have any questions for staff we
do uh councilman Johansson yes sir quickly for uh staff um the the hospitals that we're talking about are all within taxing authorities right the the nonprofits that's correct tax
supported hospitals benefit from this ordinance all right and and the there are no other it's just the hospitals that are that are paid for directly in these taxing authorities or other nonprofits
like SMA and whatnot is that correct um well the or well the ordinance um provides lean rights only to the tax supported hospitals as well as County EMS right okay County that's other one and I think the term in the ordinance is called charity hospitals charitable
hospitals which are 501c3 hospitals regardless of whether they receive support okay so just so I understand the scenario the the the adorm taxes go to the taxing authorities and and and are
provided for these for these charitable uh charitable hospitals so if these terriable hospitals um can't get money from say my emergency room trip because I'm
uninsured uh what how do they how do they pay for that bill that $20,000 emergency bill um or do they write it off my understanding as they write it off I do have representatives from Halifax here today that can answer more detailed
questions about you know on the business end for them but um if yeah but yeah please I'm I'm I'm curious good evening everyone um so yes so if we have a patient that comes in that's uninsured then we have to use the
taxpayer money that subsidizes the UN um uninsured care that we provide to everybody in the Comm Community regardless of their ability to pay okay um so if we were able to lean then then that's almost a cost
avoidance for the taxpayer absolutely um it would benefit the taxpayer and the constituents of this County in in several ways one being that it would um decrease the burden on them for the amount of the millage rate that we have to um assess in order to be
able to maintain sustainable hospital system and continue to provide highest level of care that we're able to do um with the money that we receive it also ensures that we would be able to continue to provide that high level of care and expand services to serve other
people all right uh that's all the questions I have chairman thank you very much thank you I I'm wondering if there is a limit to um how much of the if a person gets hit by a
car goes to court they're awarded some some money this would allow uh these nonprofits to uh get into that award money to help pay the bills that were incurred somebody's hit by a
car um or they're in a car accident and they go to the hospital for two or three days the bill is going to be Sky High is there a limit to how much of the award they can take yes the language in the statute specifically says reasonable
amounts but then there's a lesser of um it said the amount claimed to be due for such Medical Care treatment and maintenance shall not exceed a if the patient is insured the reimbursement amount for covered services for medical care treatment and maintenance of the patient or if the patient is uninsured
then the lean holder outstanding reasonable charges for medical care treatment and maintenance of the patient reasonable generally being um my understanding and I'm haven't been on the plane of side of this but um you look at your insurance contracts and
basically the average reimbursement that you would receive under those so that would be applied for even if they're uninsured but whatever rates that we receive on average through our contract cont so with all those words tell me how much of the uh the person's
award they got $100,000 how much can be taken for this so generally that happens through negotiation on the back end uh with the attorney and the other providers that have letters of protection like the chiropractors uh we did go back and
forth in very various iterations of this trying to come up with um like a percentage or something along those lines but where we kind of landed was leaving the process in place as it has happened or did happen before or we are able to uh or we
were no longer able to um file for leans but it's it's a process it's long-standing my understanding is between PL attorneys and the providers and so that would be worked out so through a good working relationship between our Hospital EMS and then the
local attorneys and other providers okay thank you um this is probably for legal staff I'm just wondering what the mechanism would be and and resulting challenges
for if we uh added Chiropractic Care um that question came up last time I think we could expand it uh beyond the scope of uh you may recall we we were one of the few counties that had a
special law that allow for um a medical lean I'm looking at Sarah if I'm saying anything wrong you can correct me um and there was some litigation on that and basically it was clear that well we can't use the special law but by
ordinance you can do so County ordinance and so that's why we're here and and I think there are eight other counties that have some kind of Medical in ordinance in one fashion or another um in place um kind of my thought on it if
I may is if you think others should be involved uh included in the lean um chiropractors other medical providers I don't think there's much I would imagine
you would not be in favor of the ordinance because um the broader you make it I think the less reason to have it um you could vote just vote against it um and I don't Sarah do you have
anything you want to add to that yeah I mean just the point of the ordinance is to place nonprofit hospitals and EMS in a position of priority when they're oh I'm so sorry um place them in a position of priority when they're uh when we're going to disperse amounts recovered in a
settlement and so it's kind of it doesn't make a whole lot of practical sense to give lean rights to every provider because a priority for all is a priority for none so that's why Mr Dyer is saying if if that's something that you would want I think that's kind kind of probably what you have now um more
than creating a a lean rights and an ordinance that would have really no effect on priority at that point so in that in that case you'd be against the ordinance okay thank you uh councilman Dempsey um ma'am so with Halifax would
you say that everything these doctors said thus far is true and Mr calwell did they say anything that you disagree with with I heard a few things that I disagreed with uh one of the things is that these providers already
have a seat of the table they get to choose who they treat they enter into letters of protection and they're the ones that are the first ones that treat after you know release from the hospital but our physicians and our providers are the ones that are saving these lives so
that they can even get to a post hosp environment so is it is it fair to say that you think the current system system is unfair to Halifax I would not say it's unfair I just think that it would be nice for us to also have a seat at the table through
this ordinance and so we can continue to provide the care that the community needs okay what does that mean seat at the table as far as being able to have a seat of the table to be reimbursed at all as it is we're not receiving reimbursement for this
uncompensated care and so we just want to be paid for the care that we provide so are you saying that Mr Caldwell's firm Morgan and Morgan does not try and negotiate the hospital fees with settlement proceeds I'm not saying
specifically that Morgan and Morgan nor Mr Caldwell don't do that I'm not I'm not the one that's involved in those negotiations but after talking to our bilding department I know that not everybody does and I know Morgan and Morgan is a reputable firm I'm s Mr calwell is a reputable attorney but it
just doesn't happen every time is it grievable is it something that a lawyer could lose his license for by leaving you out of the seat at the table conceivably but it wouldn't be for me to decide for them have you filed any bar grievances of any against any
lawyers who have left you out of the table for settlement negotiations for all providers not that I'm aware of and that's not the type of relationship that we want to form with our community attorneys and our other community providers any type of disagreement that
we would have would try to be negoti or discussed outside of potential harsher treatments for professionals that have a license online so despite not having a seat at the table um last year you guys were able to eek
out nearly three billion dollar in Revenue I don't know that for a fact I can't make that representation I'm just 23 2.9 billion you were able to eek out again I'm just a lawyer I I can't speak
to that the TR and you guys were able to pay your CEO almost a million dollars $938,000 you were able to squeeze that out toay I'm not privy to his contract okay your building a 303 North Clyde
Morris is valued at $230 million right tax assess you say so sure okay I'm just wondering okay I mean you're saying you guys are I'm not looking at the record so I'll just have to take okay your representation Mr chairman can I make a point of order
yes yes what's your point my point is um I want to see if we can guide us to the underlying um ordinance that we're here for uh the individual being question is not the applicant for this this is a
okay County ordinance that was recommended by one of the members of this body to be forward and just out of respect for the person that was brave enough to come up I don't think she should have to answer all those questions I'm wondering if she knows if she knows I'm sorry I appreciate it and
I am happy to speak on anything that I have actual knowledge of but I can't speak on those questions but does Halifax pay any property tax no we do not okay do you know if Advent Health pays any property tax I do not know do you know I would assume if Advent also
made three billion last year in Revenue I can't speak to their revenue okay that's all I have thank you for your patience thank you all for your consideration councilman Troy Kent yeah I I think my question going be real easy for you who are you I didn't hear your
name I apologize my name is Jillian weok I'm Deputy general counsel for Halifax heal for Halifax Jillian yes okay thank thank you very much um I Heard the count uh the council for Halifax say that the current system is
not unfair to Halifax is that correct is that what I heard you say I said I wouldn't represent that it's unfair I'm I think fairness is subjective we would just like to be able to have some type of reimbursement for the life- saving care
that right we provide and then I heard you know it'll Place us in a position of priority a priority for all is a priority for none and then staff is this
right I know we have 67 counties in Florida uh do only eight of those have this medical lean and do we know why only eight have this that's correct only eight counties
in Florida have passed leans that uh favor hospitals two for um two counties do charitable hospitals like the ordinance before you and the other for all hospitals is Miami Dade one of those counties yes that's correct yes Ultra
liberal Miami Dade right is that right okay just just wondering I'm just thinking out loud here um Michael Dyer or whoever wants to answer it I heard from this side of the
room I'll say that the impact of this will be on the uninsured working class is that the impact this would be on in your your opinion either Michael or
you you know I think that there's a lot of um extrapolation that may be going on I'm certainly not a subject matter expert in the in the various impacts when it comes to medical billing and and costs in that respect um so without more
specificity I can't really say yes or no if that's cor or not okay yeah um unhelpful answer but that's all right and then they said not a level playing field Mr Dyer does your group want to weigh in on that is does this make it a
not Level Playing Field I this from a policy standpoint only makes sense if you think that some folks in that that are providing Medical Care and that whole chain of Medical Care realizing you're going to have an
early stage and later stage that those charity hospitals or EMS should have an opportunity to have a lean to get paid early if you feel that youve been someone providing later care out of the post hospital care such as
chiropractor is just as important I don't think this proposal would make sense for you from a policy perspective thank you um Council I'll just tell you I'm I was I need to disclose this I was born in the Halifax
Hospital I didn't have that choice but my mother had that choice is this a question thank you chairman no I appreciate can you hold that till debate I can I can I'm yeah I'm done with my questions thanks thank you uh Matt Reinhardt thank you chair this is more
for our legal um can you explain that the letters of protection that you're referring to what is what is that process right so um a letter of protection is my view just basically a contractual agreement um that
Specialists like chiropractors and other um after accidents uh providers will they have they they tend to have relationships with uh attorneys who will file the lawsuits on behalf of the injured patients and they enter into letters of protection where the patient
is agreeing that um any settlement money they recover the the chiropractor and other Specialists will get paid out of that so they're not going to pay at that moment they're just agree defer payment until the settlement is reached so they're having the option of the letters of protection
and that's not something that Halifax or Advent Health would do as they're coming into the hospital an Emer on an emergent basis correct I don't I'm sorry no that's okay I didn't if when individuals come in for an
emergency basis there's not time to negotiate and they're probably not in the right frame of mind probably want an attorney present with them know would try to enter a contract with them and then lastly um and so everyone because I heard it mentioned a couple times but
just for clarification neither is vucha County owned EMS and if Valia County EMS is not paid that burden falls on who the taxpayers yes so I'm just putting that out there thank you very much thank you councilman Robbins thank you
chairman uh thank you for for showing up today and trying to help us uh out try to find some Middle Ground here I don't know if that's achievable but um what concerns me just a little bit maybe you can answer it I'm a little uneasy about the term
reasonable understand is is is there any assurances and I know that state statute verbiage is out of your control with that being said in your um experience um do we have any examples where reasonable was um fairly exercised
or it wasn't taken advantage of by any party I'm not uh saying Halifax or any other hospitals would do that do we have any examples prepared uh to show Council that um the success of reasonable by
chance um I apologize I do not have any case studies that would um illustrate to the council at this time reasonable um as you're requesting okay that's it councilman Santiago thank you Mr chairman I just wanted to since I didn't
I made the point of order Don I wanted to comment that I think your your your commentary on that is valid that you were asking I just felt that it was more appropriate in the debate part for you to present why your position is and um and not in that role that's why I did
that just so let you know but I think your points are valid and should be a part of the dialogue thank you so let's go right back to councilman Dempsey so was that an apology oh just you know the right place than it I'll take you could
I ask Mr Caldwell to come up and get um um well now I make another point of order Mr chair yes because that's not it's not protocol well I mean we have a lady who's not a party here giving her stuff on behalf of Halifax I'd like to have a
plaintiff's attorney also give this is clearly not protocol so I'll ask the council will they uh will they allow conversation I strongly oppose that that that U precedent even if it happened already I think we need to set
a ground and follow it okay um chairman I'm okay with it because we've we've allowed the other side to get up and speak I think it's only fair can you make one of you make either a motion to approve or a motion to deny motion to approve um for Don Dempsey or any
council member to ask anybody they feel feel fit in the audience questions about this testimony uh Mr chair I I'll I'll yield my position I just want us to do better at it I blame all of us because you know youve got a busy job so I don't put the all on you our job is also to
call out things as part of the protocol I'll yield to it if we can control it to a time I don't want to sit here and ask a million questions on this because we went through this eight months ago or whatever it was so but I respect your qu
line of questioning but I I don't want this President going forward so I'll yield because we did open the door so you're taking back your apologies I'm taking back my apology I'm calling my mother all right I withdraw motion I withdraw withdrawn uh Mr Dempsey can go on I I
find your questions really helpful because this is this is this is this is complicated and there's people's lives at State Mr cwell if I may I or did he vote Yes you may just don't be monotone
because you'll put Santiago asleep yes I I do want to add just quickly letters was a Tor Reform Bill passed on March 24th of 2023 that essentially ended you wouldn't necessarily noce but letter of protection right speaking we can't hear
you up here I wanted to address Council as well but letters of protection are not issued anymore after the tort Reform Bill of March 24th is when it was signed into law they're essentially dead um and I and I think that's important these
Agreements are not in existence anymore I will also say that we funnel millions of dollars to Halifax every year maybe tens of millions of dollars um every year those bills are part of our case and when we
get that in from the liability company we don't ignore the bill and there and also Halifax gets you know they there's a pip attached to every car accident of $10,000 and so they're able to access that P benefit as well and usually
they're the first provider and they're able to get that hicka claim form out as the first provider immediately so anyway with that said Mr C two questions for you sir and then um one Halifax has expressed a position that they're not
getting a seat at the table for settlement proceed negotiations is that a fair statement or not well I don't agree with that statement as I just said we we have an ethical duty to make sure any medical provider including the
hospital gets paid if we are aware of the bill and so because of that we get the liability money in we may call up Gail Hendrickson right at Halifax or Stacy to negotiate the bill but we don't ignore the bill in addition they've
already probably received the PIP benefit um as a priority provider as a Frontline provider and would are you jeopardizing you're licensed to practice law if you don't give them this seat at the table absolutely absolutely not all
right no I mean would it jeop I mean yes it would jeopardize I don't know if a lawyer would get disbarred but they would certainly get disciplined um in bar yeah I don't know if if that sort of conduct now repeated uh conduct could could result
in disbarment it would probably result in a reprimand or possibly a suspension secondly could you explain how the current PIP laws in Florida unique to Florida already benefit hospitals disproportionately to than to
chiropractors and doctors so the the hospital is obviously the first provider in the case to with each auto accent there is a $10,000 pip benefit that is attached to that accident per person and
so as the Frontline provider they are immediately able to to get the insurance information and by the way when a patient comes in in an emergency room they still sign documents all right they they are signing documents as they get treated and so and so they're able to
get insurance information and with that insurance information the the hospital whether it's Advent or Halifax is in a unique position to get that bill out to the to the insurance company uh first and in the PIP setting there is a
priority when they get the when the carrier gets the bill and by the way most emergency room bills when I started practicing they were 2 3,000 they are now usually over $10,000 and so they're able to access that benefit before any other
provider one last comment does this passage or not passage affect your income as an attorney as a plaintiff's attorney it doesn't affect our income I would say that the statute does allow an impairment
uh on Halifax's part that if we sign a release and I I could go into multiple examples um you know that results in an impairment that's what I was talking about briefly to their lean and would actually result in a a cause of action that alifax could have it's unclear who
that's against could it be us I don't know um could it be the insurance company but we know that from the Mercury case all right the Mercury case is really interesting it's a really interesting read um the the the 2012 case that invalidated the lean law um because
Mercury there was a bad accident Mercury tendered the 10,000 to the injured party well Shan sued Mercury the insurance company and got a judgment in excess of the $10,000 um and so you know that's what causes me concerned is that cause of
action they have if there's an impairment of their lean okay that's all thank you okay thank Mr cwell thank you uh councilman Ken yes thank you chairman now it's appropriate time for me to tell you that I was born in the Halifax Hospital okay we are we at debate yes
we're at debate debate now nobody else had any questions I don't have any more question did you have a question okay so Troy we get to hear your birth story yes it's my birth story hea hospital and [Music] then Mr uh councilman Johansson is
wondering if you're going to make a motion I'm not okay does somebody else want to make does anybody have a motion and then have debate let's just get it out uh motion to approve Jake Johansson makes a mo motion
to approve second is by Vice chair uh Reinhardt now tell us where you were born can you guess what time was it um 7:47 a.m. 7:47 a.m. yeah but if doing this makes the playing
field unfair why would we do this to the little guy if what and I haven't done the research Don did but Don you're talking about almost a three billion doll profit I'm going on what you said 2.9
billion gross revenue um and we're hearing from our small businesses saying this is going to put us at a disadvantage it just makes me think why
why would we change anything why not just leave things status quo where they are we got a really interesting email from former council member uh Josh Wagner I think all of us were on it we got an email from him and he went back
some history about how he helped create this um resolution and then killed it when he learned more about it it was it was his email the timeline and I of course none of us were sitting up
here so I'm just going by by what he said you know in it but it just makes me think you know I'm I'm a advocate for Halifax Health did you hear where I was born but what you don't know is that I
chose to have my son born there and of my mother's last 30 days on this Earth 7 months ago 28 of them were at Halifax before she asked me to bring her home so I made that choice also so I'm a fan what I'm not a fan of is hurting
small businesses to help other businesses have an unfair Advantage so unless someone can convince me otherwise that this isn't unfair to the small businesses I think you see
where I'm leaning on this thank you councilman Johansson yes sir I uh surprised Mr Dempsey didn't go over the uh $1.5 billion wage of the CEO of a
typical law firm and and that they charge between 33 and 4% of the settlement amount and and scrutinize that big guy that is more than able to give a little money to these little guys as well um in
addition to the lean to the to the hospital um I I heard something earlier that that I really enjoyed I like that that the intent is to get the the lawyers and the doctors and the
hospitals or the doctors or the administrators at the hospitals together to be at that table to have an equ equitable solution well I wish it was like that before if it's not shame on them um but but at the end of the day
the taxpayers aren't paying to send somebody to the chiropractor particularly unless they're on Medicaid or or Medicare or uh something else but um by and large we don't send them we don't pay for them to
go there which is why it's so great to get a lawyer to get some money and and sign that whatever that document is to say I I got to keep on going to the chiropractor to get better and when we
make our money uh I'll pay them off um uh but what I don't want to do talking about the little guy is put this cost on the on the back of the taxpayer
um so I'm also a big personal responsibility guy and part of that is is paying your bills paying your rent all all that stuff that uh um that the lawyer talked about
earlier uh in this case the hospital can't say do you have money when we roll that guy in or per or lady and they're unconscious they can't
say I don't want to get in the ambulance because I can't afford it they have to pay uh and the ambulance H has to bring them there and then the hospital has to take them they don't ask them if they can afford it or not you get wheeled in
the emergency room you guys been there well I have anyhow they rip off your clothes they poke and prod you they give you every test known to mankind and then they they stick you in the uh in the
room and hopefully you get better uh if not in surgery but you have no choice so a you don't want to have that choice because if you can't afford it you don't want to say no and end up seriously Dead uh and and B you want them to take
care of you uh so so for me at the end end of the day if I'm on the other end and I'm talking to a lawyer to try to settle a claim and and and get money I want everybody that that I didn't pay to
be paid and if I don't have to pay some people if they don't have to pay alifax or Adent or any other charitable hospital and they can pocket some of
that money and all they have to do is pay who who they sign those letters to uh which are their Specialists then then off the door they out the door they go I want uh our charitable hospitals that we pay taxes to um to to be able
to be first priority to get that money uh I I don't know I don't have the data I don't know if anybody runs out of claim money um on on how hospital bills I imagine it does happen uh but then again
we have that seat at the table so I think this is important uh to pass and uh uh for that I'm going to probably vote Yes here thank you chairman thank you um I have always been
for this bill we've it seems like we've talked about it for for years now but I'm a hard no today um for several reasons one is you talked about lawyers and the amount they
take person gets rear ended or T-boned in a car um and they're hurt bad they choose to go to a a lawyer to help them uh get the funds to pay for medical
expense and to continue their their lives and to hopefully get back to where their lives are are um close to the functionality as it was before the accident so I don't hold it against um lawyers that they're taking
30% whatever the percent is the patient knows it up front um what bothers me about this is um lawyers debating and deciding what the reasonable charges are this person gets
hurt they hire a lawyer they get some money but if they went to the hospital and they stayed for a day or three days they have Sky High bills and they're getting letters from the hospital I want our hospitals to be
paid we have really good hospitals with really good doctors and I want them to get paid but honestly I look at Halifax and in our area hospitals I don't see them hurting
Don has pointed out the amount of money um and they they do get taxpayer money um what I worry about is the injured person that has a little handful of of money or maybe a big handful of money
trying to make decisions of how to they improve their lives to where they can get back to work and often times that doesn't happen when they come out of the hospital with a prescription I I have seen this over and over again
because I don't have a doctor I have a chiropractor and I go to the chiropractor's office and most of the people that they see are automobile injured people that can't function and they need the chiropractor to help them
um be able to sit and stand and and go to work and it's a long process many times and it's expensive but what I hear is a chiropractor negotiating with a person or just forgiving um the charge because they
want the person to be able to get back to work so I just I think this is unfair on on several levels want hospitals to be paid
I really want our own EMS to be paid because they're the First Responders that they might have provided care that sustained that person's life and actually allowed them to get to the hospital so I want them to get paid um I
just don't think this is it Don Dempsey I'm in my 35th year of practicing law I've done Insurance defense for State Farm I've done plaintiff's work they get a seat at the
table to come here and say that they're being left out or financially harmed by this doesn't jive they just I just got the press release from the Daytona Speedway they've extended Advent Health extended their partnership through the
2028 race car season if you watch the Daytona 500 in the letter pointed out by Josh Wagner Advent Health was all over the speedway Advent Health has a car number 43 they also sponsored Jimmy Johnson's car why does a hospital have
to advertise why does a hospital have to spend 2 to 2.5 million annually to the Daytona Speedway and yet come in here and say they're not getting a seat at the table and they're being left out and they just
want their fair share I didn't see a a do steppick number 42 in the race I didn't see uh Dr rain number 20 the at the Daytona 500 but Advent was everywhere okay they're not being left
out from my research I found they did 2.9 billion in Revenue 48 million in profit okay it's I can't believe they're doing this Advent three billion in
2024 their CEO makes 938 million Mr feasel I'm sure he earns every penny of it 938 th000 I'm sorry did I say I'm sorry well congratulations but I mean they're making money and we talked about this
last time this does not affect the rich or the poor the rich have insurance the government workers have insurance the poor have Medicaid the elderly have Medicare it's the barber it's the handyman the hairdresser the
small business owner that can't afford insurance they're coming home from the beauty salon one day and pow they get blindsided $100,000 in policy so the $100,000 policy comes in and the hospital is the first provider and then
you got maybe a week stay in the hospital and then you got to go see a chiropractor you got to go see a uh physical therapist you got to go to the after care providers and you have to go to a pain management doctor so that you don't get hooked on opioids to try and
get over the pain that you might very well be suffering for the next year or two all these people not just the hospital deserve a SE they all deserve it and the way it's historically been done in my 30 plus years of doing this stuff and it
hasn't changed according to Mr Caldwell who I don't doubt one bit everybody is negotiated you get the 100,000 okay the hospital how much you owed owed 100,000 okay how about will we take 50 cents on a dollar Mr chiropractor what's your bill 20,000 will you take 50 cents on a
dollar the way it works out is everybody takes a cut everybody gets a piece of the pie what they're wanting to do is come in and if you remember last time we were here I asked the previous Council that was here on behalf of Halifax not this nice lady but I asked her I said we've all heard stories about um x-rays
cost being built to the insurance company at $2,000 in x-ray but if the barber or the hairdresser comes in and says I only got $200 in cash will you take my x-ray yeah they'll do it for the 200 but when that $100,000 piles here they're taking out the
$2,000 so after they take the 2,000 for the X-ray after they take all these high dollar costs because they get first grabs at it then these poor guys are left picking up the crumbs of what's ever left over and then they're expected to give these patients the hairdressers
the handymen the small business owners quality treatment for crumbs it's not fair and to I mean why does a hospital have to have a race car in a Daytona 500 why do they have to have their plastered all over
the Daytona Speedway and then come in here and say we're just not getting our fair share of money we are we just want a little bit more we just want to seat at the table as you look drive down International Speedway there's Advent written all over the side of the
speedway I'm a hard no on this thank you for your time councilman Santiago Don I don't know how you feel get it's GNA stay quiet but you know I think it's important to
uh to expand on some of the commentary because you know my initial thoughts were were similar to yours on the advertisement thing but and then I I did a little bit of more of a deeper dive in it right and I'm not trying to defend them I'm just trying to point out what I believe are the facts because they they
can defend themselves but admin health is more than just a hospital they're a health system just like you know other obviously they're bigger than smaller health care providers so um I I would argue well I
would say that it isn't just their hospital that they may be advertising that resembles the same name but if you really look at it it's a full-blown Health Care system that provides other types of services other than emergency services such as primary care and other
specialty services so I mean the argument can be made that you know that's part of their Forte and they can advertise that right and they make a lot of money I'm not they can defend themselves but I look at it from that perspective that they're not just a hospital same thing with Halifax I mean
I know they don't have a the speedway but they're a Health Care system at the same time so they also have primary care care facilities and other specialty care services so I can get past that because of they're not just a hospital that's on a safety net
hospital and I sit here and I think about also sit on the County's claims committee and I see the claims coming in from lawsuits that are filed against the county right and I think in every claim I've
seen when it comes in for the demands guess what they demand those high dollar bills so they'll put there my patient has you know pain and suffering and they have that $2,000 X-ray and they got that
500 you know of $5,000 injection and all of these very elaborate cost things that I don't know if it's true or not but I will tell you this they use it to their advantage when they make the claim they spell it all out and saying this is why
we need this big number and not beating them up just pointing out the facts because both sides are using this this very archaic complicated process um so I don't think there's any innocence
anywhere in this um there shouldn't be a $2,000 x-ray right for get it right um and but the other side gains it too because I see it every claims committee I go to I don't know if you guys can attend
because the sunshine they can't they Mike said no but if you'd see some of the claims that come in you know I I try not to have breakfast before I go to that meeting because this is in the morning sometimes some of the outrageous claims that we hear um that being
said I I'll just leave it there I just I think it's important to look at all the facts and then make a decision I I don't know where I'm at I'm waiting to see where the rest of my colleagues are councilman Kent councilman Dempsey you say some things sometimes and I don't agree with you and I think vice versa me
with you you you don't have to laugh at that but you've heard every council member up here I've heard I've heard every council member up here I believe over the past uh two and a half years talk about how your position on something has helped change their
mindset with what you just shared I I really don't know how you couldn't have your mindset changed a little bit and I I sat at home and watched parts of the Daytona 500 I saw the Advent and honestly I'd
never even thought I didn't even it didn't even cross my mind and you may like or dislike this but I I don't really care that they advertise like I I don't really care I I I didn't think about it like that I want I want everybody to be
successful I really do I don't I don't want to hurt anybody I want everybody to be and if they're successful and they can spend that money and and do that good on them you know but what I don't want to do is I
don't wna create policy in these chambers that hurts someone and if what we're going to do and I haven't been convinced that what we're going to do isn't going to hurt
their small businesses and I'm not I'm not for it it sounds like we're going to help give a hand up um prioritize fuchia County with EMS we're going to prioritize
them so County government we're going to prioritize two hospitals locally and everybody else is going to receive less we all have our own way of thinking
I just I I couldn't leave these Chambers tonight and feel good about myself going well you know I made sure that the county was made whole with the EMS and um you know I made sure the two hospitals that are doing really well get first buite to the apple and um yeah
good to go no I'm not good with that because you find people took the time to come in here and you weren't asking for something more than what you already have I feel like you're already getting the
crumbs and that this body may take away more more of those crumbs how how does that feel man we appreciate what you're doing you did a 10-hour day today how
about 11 tomorrow man you know listen I uh I want everybody to be successful but I feel like this decision is is going to hurt some and and I would not allow this if this was going to hurt Halifax if
this was going to hurt Advent I would be like absolutely not so I going to go back to what I heard earlier the attorney said the current system is not unfair so if it's not unfair why are we trying to why are we trying to fix something that's not
unfair I say there's already a motion on the table um I'm going to vote no and I would say just keep this at the status quo of of of what it is I'm just not convinced with what I've heard from the testimony that we need to um
change what we're currently doing it it it hurts not only those small businesses but Don you mentioned it those uninsured small businesses okay those plumbers those
wallpaper hangers those people you know who aren't working for government that have insurance those people are the ones that are also going to get hurt so that's why I am where I am on it thanks councilman Robbins thank you
chair U putting it out there like many of my colleagues you know I don't think there's uh any dispute in the support uh that we all especially myself sheriff for for Halifax Advent with that being said um I also support the premier small
businesses in our community and um my big hangup per se is the the uncertainty of of everything I don't want things to be lopsided or one-sided uh with any uh business or company and and it's almost
like picking winners and losers we often get these scenarios thrown in our our our laps uh but but here we are make trying to make the hard decisions and trying to make the right one but um it doesn't give me a good feeling if
voting up on this or voting yes on it uh it doesn't at at at all um and I just don't want to uh cut the throats of anyone especially our small businesses and our our blue color folks that that U um uh need it so much you know so um we
depend on everybody I wish there was a better scenario for us but uh yeah thank you councilman Johansson y my last push uh we talk about protecting the little guy and I I go back to our tax paers who aren't here because they
don't know how this impacts them um and and uh remember this is this is uh a lean on on settlement money and and I believe that that uh with the uh with
the contracts that the the patient makes with the providers um uh somewhat protects that little guy that that you all are are speaking about and um and I just think there ought to be some
protection for uh the the two hospitals that that we pay taxes to um help take care of those uninsured people um uh if if they don't get their money back then
they'll get it from us um so those are my thoughts thank you uh councilman Dempsey is this your third time my second okay sorry just final push that Contra Jake and remind them yes I worry about
taxpayers as well the problem I have is Halifax makes nearly three Mill three billion dollars a year in a $230 million building and pays zero in tax we all pay taxes they pay
taxes the3 billion doll a year company pays zero in property tax Advent Health they do the same number in a 200 also in a l$ 233 billion building pays
zero in property tax so yeah I am concerned that these taxpayers are not getting the same benefits already that Halifax and ADV been get I think we already do enough for them and we got to be mindful of
these people and not just the big hospitals so thank you guys for your may I re rebut 30 seconds councilman Johansson I find it interesting uh that that we bring up the wages and the taxes
of the two hospitals but we never ask chiropractors and lawyers how much they make I you've never once asked billions of dollars 40% so we wake up every day with a bias I see where yours is you know where mine
is and I think it's important to bring up both points in the conversation so it's not one-sided thank you for because it's fun I guess a little bit and more for to uh bring out
I guess what I would consider facts you're right they pay no taxes but I think at that same caveat you have to put the sentence in there that they provide Indigent care they're required by state law to provide services to stabilize people regardless on
opportunity to pay or capability I should to say pay so there's there's there's um checks and balance in there as why they get those uh the benefit of that and they they have a strong enough team to defend themselves I'm just pointing out the facts I've even argued in the past when I was in the
legislature to mandate a certain level of indent care in a community so so I want you to know my position isn't uh uh complete you know cheerleader for for that for that current system but they do
provide a stabilization inden care which is in the multi-millions every year um and I'd like to see them do more okay councilman Robbins and then I'm going to call the question so you got to wrap it up I'm going to do my best chairman I spoke to just the county manager a second ago and I believe he's
trying to get with Ryan off the top of his head he quoted somewhere in between we collect uh back we Ms 30 to 35% of our billable or or the services that we provide can can I shoot back there real
quick to see if Ryan has a number of what the taxpayers are on the hook for would that help is there a speaker back there okay yes and this is this is numbers of what we collect for our EMS services what what we
collect and then what what the taxpayers have to absorb um for they're working on it but the deal is we collect about 50% of what we charge but there are other reasons for the write off it's not
necessarily someone not paying their bill but that it's in the millions I can tell you that much but whether it's 10 million or not no but it's probably in the low Millions thanks okay thank you Danny uh Carissa would
you please call the role on ordinance 20259 ordinance adding Chapter 58 Article 5 medical provider leans and establishing for certain medical providers and entitlement to leans for
certain outstanding charges that's the motion that we're voting on and the motion is to approve Mr Reinhardt yes Mr Robbins no Mr Santiago I'm going to do a Troy for a
second Mr chair it's all right this is important want me to come back to you can't do that chairman keep him right there we got to follow that number system keep him right there
yes Mr uh oh Mr Mr Dempsey no Mr Johansson yes Mr Kent no Mr Brower no and the motion fails four- three thank you for all who came
in itm 11 is a contract with Halifax Paving Inc for the burm restoration north of Pon Delon Inlet U and who's going to kick it off Jessica
Fentress good evening Jessica Fentress of Luchia County I am the coastal director I also have a representative from Halifax Paving in the audience um you haven't even heard of it so this the bids came in were at $7.7
million and this is for the harvesting the hauling and the placement of of that beach sand associated with the upcoming Army Corps uh Inlet and in coastal Waterway drudging project um we're going to be required to remove debris and we're also planning on planting the
dunes once the sand is placed okay this is just an area where the stockpile is going to be located and I'm available for questions coun Vice chair Reinhardt thank you chair mine's not really a
question it's more of a comment if that's unless uh you have a question yeahman motion to approve let's do questions for I just had one question you partially answered it about planting is a planting covered in the $7 million or is that something extra that that
Coastal is going to do the planting is included in the contract should we uh find an additional Grant to leverage funding then we will pursue that as well okay thank you thank you chair um a lot
of the hard work that you've done with respect to uh getting the easement signed I mean that was impact that was huge uh as far as making this process go a little bit easier um we're going to do a presentation at the shore or at Pont
inlet's uh uh meeting Thursday night so I'll be able to explain that to him so thank you for all your hard work thank you for the fact that we get this underway we've been waiting for for a long time that being said I'll make a motion to approve okay Tor you want to second it sure I'll second it Troy tried to make
that that motion but I had the I had the question so Vice chair Reinhardt makes a motion to approve seconded by Troy Kent any other questions no just comment okay comment by uh Troy Kent yes um Council I
just I just wanted to say I'm so pleased we're doing this but I'm also extremely happy that a local valuchi County Orman Beach born and raised man and his
company are received this this project you know his bid one and Tad I I know because you grew up here you grew up surfing here um and this is your home that you guys of course will go above and beyond uh in this area so thank you
for um bidding on this uh keeping your company housed here in Norman Beach which by the way near area that was I don't know if the rest of the council knows but it's been a hot ticket item for two years here with the fuel Farm you're right next door you're you're
right there and um I'm I'm appreciative when I when I saw the staff report um I was I was pleased that it was a local company that is going to be doing this work um not not someone from out of town not that that's a terrible thing but
it's not a carpet bagger it's someone right here from our our own community so thank you is there so one from Halifax here yes Mr Ted Durance is back there David Santiago I just want to continue along the lines with Troy Tad
thanks for being here and you know Troy he mentioned you were a surfer Troy claims to be a surfer was he a good Surfer because you were around okay he makes a lot of claims I got to verify sometimes so okay thank you for that verification thanks for being here I just want to put on the public record he his answer was not good
it was very good wow okay thanks okay I just just a quick comment I I am for this uh Tad I'm glad to see you here I concur with Mr Kent I I I love a local based company I love um how your family
has been involved with the community for as long as I remember which which is a long time going to school here your name was very common in in my high school um so this is good the the only thing I can say is Jessica your job now is to make
sure we don't get a severe northeasterly to take all this sand back out to uh I've looked at the longterm forecast and she's looking good okay so my fingers are crossed okay good actually where this is going there's a little
wider Beach isn't there there's some beach there so we've um I'm pardon my my explanation we're in a really good position right now in this area of our Coastline at dead low it's very wide uh which means that the the Army course
contractor is expecting about a six-month time frame where they're actually going to be actively dredging and placing the material on the beach so if you look at how it works typically our major storm season comes in late September October november-ish so my hope is that we can get as much of this
really good beach material on the beach we survive through the summer when our beach grows normally we Harvest all this good sand put it along our coastlines and then we're ready ready to go for this fall and win right okay thank you any other uh questions or comments
all in favor say I I any opposed and it carries seven to zero it's a lot of money but we have to protect our Coast item 12 Award of agreement for cdbg Dr multifam housing new
construction Gap funding and Donna Butler I believe is going to start [Music] this good evening council members Donna Butler uh director of The Office of
Recovery and resiliency so we brought this item to you um I think two meetings ago now and uh you asked us to ask the folks some questions and we've done that so I will try and go through it very quickly
um we asked them all the following questions will the road surrounding the new development be able to handle the increase in traffic how will it impact Local Schools what's the proposed method for ensuring that the structures will meet Federal elevation requirements and
what's the proposed Foundation type has this parcel or surrounding areas flooded in recent storm events and if so provide details and then what is your storm water management plan and other details so we had the County engineer and traffic engineering review all of their responses and the volume generated by
each development will have negligible effect on the surrounding Road Network so I can go back through these if you want me to um but they're still on here we wanted to give you a little picture so that you could see a little bit more of where they were located and um give
you a little bit more information so 56 units of um senior housing in Daytona Beach um 84 units uh downtown Dand new samna beach it was 40 units this is the uh public housing authority going to
be replaced with six units and then finally 80 units of senior housing in Orange City so I'm prepared to answer any questions and then I believe that there are some um developers here that might be able to answer questions for you as
well okay for questions uh councilman Robbins uh no questions motion to approve as presented second we have a motion to approve as presented by Danny Robbins the second was by Vice chair
Reinhardt any other questions any comment um I have one one question Donna I think it is uh good Housing Partnership know that one too but the my main
concern was the uh yeah good Housing Partnership it's flood area um it is it's in the hundred-year flood plane um but they will be required by federal law to go 2 feet above that base flood elevation that's a minimum
requirement and then they also have to follow the guidelines that um the city of newna beach puts in front of them and I probably can't speak to it as well as others but it's a compensatory requirement so normally if you take um if you add one cubic foot of
fill then you have to provide one cubic foot of uh storm water right you have to dig a hole for that o excuse me in the city of new smarta beach it's 150% so it's 1.5 times that amount so they will have to follow and the motion even says
you have to get all your site plans uh development plans approved by each City so they'll have to follow all those regulations they have actually um they are aware that they need additional land for adequate storm water and are working on acquiring that as well so until they have that all figured out they won't be
able to move forward um but if they get it figured out they're good to go okay and what about Bristol Manor is this it's in Orange City it's is this in the area that flooded really bad on the near the hospital near the Advent it is
across the street and diagonal from that area so it is near the Home Depot side of things and they weren't affected by the flooding not to my knowledge uh I talked to the city manager and they were supportive of the
project okay any other questions or comments um no Mr chair maybe just to help you uh very familiar with that area 35 years in area and after the storms I was driving around that area as a matter of fact I met our Public Works director the issue was around the hospital is
where that was that that that low area but what they were trying to do from the hospital is Pump It Up to the areas where we were talking about because it was all dry just if that helped Bristol up into that general area I don't know specifically but in that area okay that does help thank you y all right anyone
else then all in favor of the award of agreement for cdb gdr say I I anybody opposed who was that very fatic eye from I made it back
oh okay good job Donna item 13 appointments to the uh pdrc Carissa you want to kick this off Mr Brower I believe you had public comment for item 12 oh we we
did I don't know if any of them are here is Teresa po here did you want to speak you wanted it to pass okay then you're good all right so for item 13 you have the appointments to the planning and
Land Development regulation commission I did want to let you know that prior to the meeting Miss Donna Bros Meir I was notified that she was elected to the school board so she's no longer an applicant because this is a considered an office and it would be a dual office holding conflict um and each council
member will be making a nomination to this board however there there are some nuances for example that um Mr Johansson and Mr chair you do have to make your
nominations from the unincorporated area correct um the remaining five of you only um two individuals can be from the Incorporated areas of a city so everybody else would have to be from unincorporated areas as well so it's a
matter of who you call on first sounds like a government program we need Doge to fix this we do right and how uh are you first that'd be great are you going to use the list for today Reinhardt to Brower however you would like to do
it well would like that yes I would so I mean that's that's the list we've been following all day so if nobody has any OB Mr chairman something to consider Johanson not that I care I can wait but uh since we
are I reiterate to the elected officials that we're only allowed to do the unincorporated areas so if you could be mindful of that your in your selections I will be then I'm all in favor of sticking with the the order
I promise I will be okay uh councilman Robbins you had a question or a comment I do also want to note that the only options for Mr Santiago are from the Incorporated areas of ucha County so and Matt did you have a question or
comment you're just ready to nominate ready to nominate okay you want to call the role Please Mr Reinhardt Edith Shelly would be my nomination Mr Robbins uh Frank Costa
Please Mr Santiago Don Dempsey Stony six that would be interesting so I do want to note that all of the other applicants or members would need to be from the unincorporated areas due
to um Mr reinhardt's and Mr Santiago's nominations well way to go I had no choice though she said I had to I only had to pick I had no choice we'll give you Grace um Mr Dempsey
Ronnie Mills good Mr Johansson okay so which one are you picking because D has already been P donra Don Craig so Donna Craig he took yours Mr
Kent the only one I had because Donna Rossmore can't do it because she's now an elected official I I will take back my nomination Christopher e uh I'm looking for that name District he's up in district one sir okay
Christopher Eon Mr Kent I'll start with thank you Mr Johansson Donna Craig Mr Brower let's see who's left um I can State their names if you wish no I've got them I've got them all
highlighted Ronnie Ms made it through Stony made it through Donna made it through Emily Bush okay and if you can have a motion and vote motion to approve all of those names second oh you have a motion to
approve by Troy Kent to approve the names and a second uh by by Jake Johansson all in favor say I I any opposed and they are all approved D now we have appointments to the
tourist Development Council correct and so there are two different categories which you would need to appoint from um for this one if you could see the recommended motion was too large for the system so it's actually at the very end of the summary
highlights there's one nomination that would need to be an owner operator of a motel hotel recreational vehicle park or other tourist accommodations and there's another one that would need to be a person involved in the tourism industry and who has demonstrated an interest in tourist development who may or may not
be um an owner operative a motel hotel or recreational vehicle park um and the two the different categories are listed under the membership of the sumary highlights question Mr chair Mr Santiago
has a question uh from our legal team is is the makeup of the the tourism councils is that by Statute by the special uh election that was done I guess for the creation it's it's both our statute and our ordinance codifies
it oh so the ordinance creates the the makeup y right interesting all right I um Council I I mean I know it's before us here today but I think that's a worthy discussion to look at that for future purposes to
see if we we'd like how the makeup balance is I don't have any particular recommendation right now but I think is worthy to to look at that again to um make sure that the makeup of these committees uh represents what we want
the interests I guess to be fairly represented I don't know if there's any thoughts on that for future discussion that's a good point I could bring it up in Council I think all of them I think it's a good point um Council in Santiago
and I think it's worth a a deeper dive it may stay the same it may change but at least a discussion to look at it I think we have consensus Mr chair on that I don't know if we want to take a vote okay you got that Mike and them okay thank you Mr chair too confusing but
you're you were not proposing changing this today no I'm not prepared to I just think it's worthy of a discussion it may like I said it may stay the same but I think we should have a a conversation about it yes agree any council member can make the
nomination how many do you need two two so you're two from the category six which is an owner or operator of a hotel motel recreational vehicle park is Aaron albering um he is also currently on the Halifax area advertising Authority and
Christine forest and if no one wishes to make a nomination for that category we can move on to I'll nominate forest was it hold on oh we were all quiet that's why no I had my name up my bad I'm sorry I'm
sorry I didn't see it Matt s you made a you had a nomination I do um Janet KY so you're in the second I'm in the second yes correct so Mr Santiago nominates Christine forest from category
6 and Mr Reinhardt um does Miss Janet KY for Cate 7 that work out yeah good and Robin I mean I I'll second that Janet kiry
okay and Mr Kent seconds the [Music] nominations can you tell me who the between Mr Reinhardt and Mr Santiago who would be the maker of the motion to the prison
guard vice vice chair Reinhardt made the motion Troy Kent made the second for ciry and Forest um Matt
Reinhardt no other question all in favor say I I any opposed and the nomin carry 7 to zero item 15 is appointments to the Halifax area advertising Authority yes the nominations for the
Halifax area advertising Authority also known as Haw is in front of you um this will be 11 nominations the terms are expiring for all of the board members um we do have to maintain a rotation order um of appointment for each council
member and that would begin with um Mr Reinhardt and it will actually end with Mr um Santiago in this instance and it'll go by by District number um then chair at large member and then we'll start the district members over again
okay um uh I have two names up Danny Robbins Chris uh do we by chance have a um an application come in for Mark McDonald from the beach side I did he has not
completed um or cleared his background check at this moment I did check this morning you do have an additional application that I did place on your desk for Mr Frank molar who came through this morning but Mr Mcdonald had not um as well as one other individual would we
be able to Carissa have that Clean Hands by the next meeting where I can just hold hold my hold my appointment um I can't say that for sure because it a background check is different from the Clean Hands check the advertising authorities actually need a background
check in order to be considered for appointment I don't know if I could bring it back at the next council meeting but when I do get the information back I can bring it back Airman I'm GNA U hold off if that's okay okay yep U Matt Reinhardt and thank you
chair um Chris as we spoke earlier mine we're still waiting uh for Johnny McGill so I'm going to I'm going to hold up as well until he gets till that comes back if it comes back you it should be you actually
have two appointments oh okay okay Jake Johansson you had a question I I'll defer no sir I have a I'm ready to make a motion for one my it's your turn yet Carissa's having a hard who's who are
you pulling first rein is first all right since uh I get two and I can wait on the other one um I'll go with uh Jim warski Mr Robin you actually get two appointments as
well who was my appointment I'll I'll reappoint uh Mr Jim Berkeley Mr Kent I am going to reappoint John Phillips I don't see his name on the sheet um if I can remember correctly Mr
Phillips has changed his um occupation and no longer qu qualifies to be on the board well thank you for that what about um Samir nuran she is an applicant perfect I'm sorry say that the last name
again please N A R A an MR Santiago we'll do your second nomination after so so John beatos good sounds good to me yeah and Don Dempsey will be my
second one Mr chair Ken Bots sorry it's okay Mr Santiago is getting hungry um Mr Johansson Frank M now to replace plane
Mr dimsey reappoint Aaron alberan say it again Don M Mr Reinhardt post I'm gonna wait on the second one if I could until a future meeting till we get information back
on and Mr Robins you would like to do the same Mr Kent yeah I'm gonna have to sorry I'm gonna have to uh hold off as well I just have the one name right now Mr Santiago if you can just give me one moment we do have to ensure um that
six are from the lodging industry and so I'm not certain with the individuals postponing those individuals might need to be from the lodging industry depending on what Mr monar does um so he's in a
tourism Mr Santiago oh Megan Butler I don't think she's Chris I think she's out the list no did you say no she did not re reapply Oh I thought I seen on the list so your
options are Sandra Whittington Boon Anthony Campa Michael bster Daniel wiel Scott Jackson Shelley Sloan and Tony pug Anthony compo what what uh industry
is he from I'm trying to find his thing give me one moment he is the general manager of the coral sansen first time applying obviously he's not an incumbent correct the only other incumbent is Sandra Whittington Boon all right give
Mr CA shot have you seen their place it's perfect all the time he runs a really good business a good choice then okay you should go stay there yeah he's got Cottages he's on the beach right on the
beach Orman Beach Orman by the Sea can I get a motion and vote I need a motion and vote for to to approve I didn't get a second one oh correct there's only 11 appointments
and it's based off of a rotational order we have all 11 and correct yours was the the 12th so if someone resigns within the two years you would be the very next person to appoint okay uh Jake did you have a question no sir I'm
good we have a motion to approve by Matt Reinhardt all of the nominees is there a second second Johansson second by Jake Johansson all in favor say I I any opposed and the nominations are all
approved item 16 appointments to the southeast fuia advertising Authority you're the only one here yeah Georgia is here Southwest okay again this has to be done by a rotation order there's seven
nominations um three need to be from the lodging industry this rotation order begins with the district one member with Mr dimsey did you say Ruby okay yep gotcha Mr
Reinhardt um Elizabeth Baker oh there's about to be War here oh is it oh well I know what all let you do no no you don't okay swing that pistol you kidding me what' I do you didn't pick
your guy there's my guy Jamie Dudley are you gonna continue no I'm gonna go back and change to Jamie Dudley well peer pressure scar it was I was scared
up in that web I did Mr Robbins uh Chad Trel oh man at least he in Mr Kent does Rebecca zusen want to do it again she did not reapply what are my
options then oh no Rebecca zuru skin did reapply her former name was Simmons so sorry yes then that's who I'll go with Mr Santiago elizab Betsy Baker yes sir Mr
chair uh Richard England Mr Johansson Mike amen we nominated three from the lodging industry so if I could have a motion and vote we have a motion to approve by uh David Santiago second Johansson second
by Jake Johansson all in favor say I I any opposed and the nominees pass 7even to zero and finally after sitting here all
day we have appointments to the West valua tourism advertising Authority this is also seven nominations there is a specific rotation order that we must adhere to um
and as as well as um three shall be selected from doing business within the lodging industry and the person to start us off we will have to wait for because it's Mr dimsey so we have to
wait okay weint him could you skip that appointment um Mr Reinhardt oh hang on one second hold on one second Mr Dempsey hey Mr Dempsey's hereis
last I can list the applicants if you would like reint okay Don picks uh Tristan Adams Mr Reinhardt oh man did you say Christine Forest yeah I'm not getting pressured
again sorry Mr Robins chriso who was my incumbent I'm trying to find it um you you wouldn't have one because it's based off the rotation order so in this instance you don't have an
incumbent I can list for you the additional incumbents are Jennifer Armstrong Susan Elliot Karen haot David Wilson and Ian Cary uh Karen haot
please Mr Mr Kent David Wilson is he on the list to do it again perfect you got one Mr Santiago Jennifer [Music]
Armstrong Mr chair uh Susan Elliot Mr Johansson and carry and if I can have a motion and vote motion to approve motion to approve by Jake Johansson second was by Vice chair Reinhardt all in favor say I I any
opposed okay is G is Georgia happy look at that art okay we do have public participation and it's not oh he is in there the first public participation um I don't believe she's in the room
anymore I didn't understand that the first person that Jenna just handed you Michelle letter is not in the room yes thank you I couldn't remember okay that takes us to John Nicholson who is in the room and
awake now it feels like normal being the only one here um I kind of push for the um Arts and Cultural because when I was a kid I had all these advantages I didn't realize it at the time but I did um my
parents had always told me that we didn't have anything because their parents had lost everything during the Great Depression of 29 so they knew what they had had and they didn't have it so
um they in their mind they didn't have much but we did all kinds of things I mean um uh we traveled my father took a month off and we traveled around the state uh we vacationed every year uh we had ski booat uh we had a house in uh
the keys and but I still thought I was poor and um I got to realize that my sister-in-law says you were never poor you were middle class so the other day I had several books
some German books uh novels that I wanted to donate and I normally give it to Our Lady of Lords or the Library so I said I'll give it to the CB to their German Department their German speakers so the kids could have novels to read so when I went the kid said uh we don't
have any languages we only have esol we had 14 different languages at my high school they have none they don't even have Spanish I was shocked but all of the things that I had when I grew up that I
thought was normal every summer we could go to the uh high school and there's always Sports programs typing if you wanted to learn a language you could do all that stuff these kids don't have that anymore I know you want to cut back and cut back but when you look at sports
when you look at things for kids to do please realize that all the stuff that you were able to do when you were a kid they don't have that ability anymore so please I know you want to be fiscally responsible but they need what we all
had we taken for granted most of us so I'm asking you be cognizant of the fact that things have changed and this education the kids are getting now is not nearly as good as the education that you all got all right thank you I
thought you were going to sing some gelic for us okay that takes us to staff uh County Manager George re wall thank you Mr chair I got a couple items uh first off uh as you're probably aware the state legislature passed a new
immigration bill into law the bill requires among many other things that all jails including those like ours that are run by the county uh enter into what's known as the 287g program this program after training
and certification by Ice permits correction offic to perform certain immigration enforcement functions while an individual is in the County's custody I am pleased to report that uh the county met today's required deadline for that
actually I think we're one of the first five counties that uh got our stuff in according to Joe uh deore so just want to let everyone know that we uh have submitted that required memorandum of agreement for approval by Ice
uh another piece of news uh Daytona Beach International Airport earned a big uh safety award uh the 2023 southern region air carrier airport safety award was given uh and presented February
4th uh during the 2025 Southern Region airports conference which is held in Atlanta so we are also nominated for the award in 2024 so again the recognizing uh our work our upgrades out at the
airport many of you uh may know that we've been implementing a $16 million security upgrade over the last two years which includes access controls cameras and uh all other um data collection devices that make our airport one of the
safest airports in the country I think that's very uh applicable given these recent times so was proud of that so those are the uh two major uh
items that I have thank you County attorney Michael Dyer yes sir um yesterday I did send you the uh response to the inquiry that you had at their last regular meeting on
alternatives to ad vorm or property taxes so you have questions on that or want more information be happy to do that um M I did not provide numbers was just the uh legal options which is what I think your question was about um the
other issue just wanted to mention um we are having an issue with having achieving quum where your animal control board um is a large board it's nine
members um does not have to be that way it's something you've created by ordinance uh you're down to three members um their terms do expire in March um so you'll be having those appointments come in front of you soon
if we have applicants of that three one has indicated they will not be reapplying and you have received two applications uh so far for that non-member board um um this is a board
you've created by ordinance and uh Chrissy did a very good job walking us through the advertising authorities this is one of the more complicated boards as well because it does not mandate but it suggests that you have a variety of
different uh people represented on your board uh whenever possible have a licensed veterinarian Humane Society representative uh we currently have have a cat owner and a member of a Kennel Club assuming they
reapply a hunter uh a county citizen from unincorporated residential area an owner of livestock a a county citizen in the nonincorporated area that's Agricultural and lastly another County
citizen from any unincorporated area with an interest in animal issues so I just mentioned that to you in case there anybody and I can email that list out to you but if there's anybody you can think of that may
meet uh would be interested in serving on the board meet the criteria uh that's a board where we need um Representatives uh in order to achieve Quorum u r their primary function at this point is to
review uh proposed changes to your Animal Control Ordinance and that's it thank you thank you Vice chair Matt Reinhardt just a quick question is that something that a magistrate could do I mean is that an ordinance change
that yes I well uh I'm trying to remember the year it might have been 2009 uh the anal the uh Council switched to because your anal control board used to do two things review proposed changes
to your code which it does now and also hear your dangerous dog cases um Council change the ordinance uh to go to a hearing officer or special magistrate for the dangerous dog determinations so right now it's a board that considers
possible changes to your ordinance legally you're not required to have that but it's something that we have adopted in in our our code to establish as an Advisory Board to you do
you need it uh legally no okay the last time it came up I think there was some uh some interest in getting rid of that board we saved it and now here we are
right back again we can't get people to fill it so I would be open to uh saying if to to eliminating it uh councilman Santiago yeah I'm looking to my buddy on the far left there he was very strong
advocate for keeping it Mr chair I remember having this discussion that's why Mr chairman I move that staff prepare options for us to create a special magistrate in place of our current process for the Animal Control Board second joh
Hansson okay have a motion on the table for staff to bring back information to uh convert this to a special magistrate motion uh by Dan David Santiago and second by Jake
Johansson all in favor say I I I any the opposed I and motion carries six to one that's it thank you uh Mr chair okay okay that brings us to
um council members and we will start with Vice chair Matt Reinhardt thank you chair um just a few things things this past week um the public protection director random matusak thank you very much for
accommodating a couple tours for me um the first was Animal Services um my understanding is that you and I chair are the only two that have done that so um you should if you get the opportunity gentlemen to take advantage of that and and the great work that they're doing
out there uh it's an older facility uh but when you walk inside you can tell how staff take pride in it and um how organized they are for the small workspace that they have extremely clean uh they gave me the detailed run of everything but thank you um director
matusak and director uh Mima Field Supervisor Jennifer Meer uh ACO Tony morard and ACO Justin Fitzgerald as well as office specialist Judy Wilkerson I wanted to mention their names they were extremely prideful in their job so I
thank them um prior to the tour of animal control um there was actually an area of the jail that I have not seen what that's cuz it was created after I left it was created after I left um if
you know the old medical examiners building uh part of it has been converted into a Corrections training lab my idea was to bring some pictures for Chrissa to put up but I'll share them with you individually so um they have a DT lab inside there a classroom
environment in there um there is a u mock weapons area set up um it's it's really good that we're taking uh the training of that profession to that level so I'm very
pleased to see that um to say I was impressed was was an underst understandment um as you know how much of an advocate I am that I will say most uh professional training that we have uh is within um our Corrections environment
here in BL County and I commend director deore for where he's brought us they're reviewing policies they're they're getting better and I I will mention one thing uh if you remember yeah well a couple things all right
thanks one thing for in particular is you remember here in the numbers when we had staff here from the corrections uh division when you talked about 60 70 80 positions down director deore was brought on board
gentlemen there are 11 positions now that's it and they they're still new people they taking new hires on every day I make it a habit that our classes that are trained out there at Daytona State um the instructor is one of my former captains who made Warden Larry
langon does a phenomenal job out there uh the last class I think we had 25 that that will fill those positions that will brought us to the 11 uh so I make it a point every class to go out and talk to those individuals and I think th really enjoy that um so thanks to
um director deore uh his leadership and assistant director Christopher shell who was another great asset that uh thank you George for bringing them on board um that being said I would like to bring up my
vision uh to continue our efforts in both assisting with the lowering of our tax burden as well as teaching the ma population yet another profession and it is profession and that is farming I've mentioned it before I have not farming I
have not brought it up i' I've given you examples of of how it's done throughout the state throughout the country um so I uh I would like to make a motion to have staff bring back some options for us uh
research uh and provide some startup options for a version of an inmate Farm located on County property of vcbj or vccf and staff could bring this information back for a later discussion um I think it's important gentlemen we have started some some
things with respect to other job training but I think the farm is very near and dear to my heart and I believe that it's going to help uh you know the idle hand issue you know keeping individuals busy um it's going to teach right now the average cost for an MA per
per day is $11.70 that's the average cost of an MA per uh stay per day Mr rehard I'm happy to Second this do you have a timeline for staff to bring this back what's a decent time because there's going to be some information that we can gather from manate Maran I mean I'm not talking
about recreating the wheel um and we're just at the early stages of this right now um but you know I've been patient with this for two years I didn't want to uh burden it and we've had some great things that have taken off with what you have done April's great for me is that
too much too quick yeah yeah I'm going to need at least 90 90 days days why don't we go at 90 days I'm I'm comfortable with that thank you I know it's a big ask tell me the the kind of farm you're talking about so uh as you remember uh and I use
Manatee County as an example uh Manatee County uh started with um 200 I believe it was eggling chickens and Tower Gardens we have the Tower Gardens by the way we have some uh some green houses
for some of our Mangrove projects we have wreck yards right now that are not being utilized so we can utilize that space so I'm thinking of the the chickens I'm also thinking of expanding the tower garden issue to start with and then we know at some point I like to see
us move into livestock so um fish farm tilapia Farm they made a uh incredible uh strides with a staged I know I'm not a big tilapia fan but they serve fish at the jail and it's a stage tilapia Farm what I mean by that is they have the
ponds built man-made ponds that are built and the inmate's job is is not just feeding because they have them on on actual automated feeders but they actually remove the larger fish and put them in a bigger fish pond it's a staged effort because they're very aggressive
with regard respect to to feeding yes thank thank you um I am a little geeked out excited about what I'm hearing about what you want to do with it my hope is that the transformation that's going to have
to take place the actual moving of dirt and things like that is that there is a real plan that staff will bring before us where the like to see where the inmates where the inmates are the ones actually that we're not bidding this out
for multi million no and my idea thank you so much for bringing that up because um years ago we just taught inmates how to drive tractors on how to cut grass um we have equipment um right now we're teaching them how to drive forklifts for uh for jobs that we can do and that
started with making up the sandbags and just having the inmates get on the forklift and you think that's a basic function but it's not but that teaches the inmates for warehouse jobs and we Lord knows we have a real big one out there in Daytona right across the street from my house that's going to be opening and and that teaches and they're ready
to hire these individuals this goes in coordination with my second chance initiative uh that we're talking about um you know we've done jobs fairs in the jail we've never done that before we we're fixing to do our third and we're having bigger companies like Walmart and
um Waste Pro and things like that are now coming to the table and they want to hire these guys so this lowers this helps lower your recidivism rate lowers our tax burden this teaches them a trade and it it helps our jail become more sufficient
self-sufficient Don Demsey yeah I I agree with you Matt I just wish we could uh emulate what they did over across the way at at tamoka with pride I remember how well Pride worked because they used to refurbish fire trucks and they used
to refurbish uh lawn or heavy equipment attachments in fact I bought one of their uh Bush Hogs that they had refurbished that they refurbished about 20 25 years ago and it was wonderful and um so if we could get them into a trade
that's your idea is awesome don't get me wrong but even a marketable trade because they if they could learn how to engine repair or anything like that to give them skills so when they get out they don't have to go back U dealing on the streets or whatever they did before
and um and the only other thing I'd add is we kind of got to get the message out to these judges because for some reason there's a a mindset that we don't want Long County Jail sentences we want you know 30 days stays and that's about it
but they're shying away from Extended stays in the county jail when the ATT the defense attorne challenge yeah it is a challenge because they all send them off to do and I'd rather they would rather get local sentences be there for
a sub you know so we could teach him and and we are doing that I'm part of the pscc and uh with judge case chief judge case and I brought this issue up with them as well uh explaining and that's another challenge that we reduced our inmate count which we want to do um but
we that that is a challenge within itself but to if I could chair to answer your question with teaching them other trades Manatee County what I brought up to their they they started out with the chickens and and the Tower Gardens and then went into a full-fledged Farm they were teaching them how to not just drive
equipment but repair equipment so right now their Farm not only does that they have their own paint booth that they can do school buses they're doing uh upholstery for the school buses and the County vehicles they're doing embroidery
for the immate UN or for uh shirts and whatnot for the staff they're doing their inmate uniforms making their own inate uniforms they're making their own inmate mattresses they are becoming so self-sufficient but guess what it started with
chickens and a tower garden you have to start somewhere and they knew that and and they got grant funding and they got public support behind it because when you talk about the average cost and that's going up it was $ 30 some dollars when you know years ago now it's
$111 and the prices are just going up now one of the contributing factors that we don't at the local level have control over are medical cost that's you know that's going to be a burden that's your that's your big ticket item you know your mental health stuff and and that's another topic I can get into at a later
date so but thank you that's a great idea just real quick Matt I'm happy to hear you bring that up I I support it wholeheartedly um I would I think starting with egg production and
vegetables is a great place to start um I would all I would be glad to volunteer if this goes through to to teach egg production with floorless uh pens that actually would do all of your grass mowing for you and they eat grass and
and live off that um I'll just say one thing about vegetable production tower garden suck the best uh the most nutritious vegetables are grown in dirt but if you want to use Tower Gardens we'll also I'll also show you how to
grow good vegetables in containers okay that are easy then you don't have to plow up a field but great idea thank you so we have a motion to send this to the uh to staff uh motion by Matt second by
Troy all in favor say I I any opposed and it carries 7 to zero uh George your name disappeared that's okay I'll discuss it later thank you okay he likes Tower
[Laughter] Gardens okay Matt you were done uh councilman Robbins thank you chair uh couple quick items uh Council uh County staff uh residents of Odin uh have
requested that um we look into uh the oin jpa The Joint planning agreement with Deltona I guess there's a a project uh that uh possibly submitted a a site
plan and there's a lot of um questions about it um and ultimately uh Council what I'm looking to do is I don't even know if we got to give staff Direct on it but uh to to somehow do some community outreach um to discuss the jpa and and
try to get the uh the vision of the the residents um um in that area and make sure that uh the jpa still aligns with that is that something we can do a little community outreach with we certainly can I do want
to point out that the application that I think you're making note of is is getting close to coming before you as a council so you do have I think uh a a quasa Judicial agenda item coming forward maybe in two meetings one
meeting or two meetings one me at your next meeting and and and parly why I request uh that we look at it staff you know um especially with the the power of social media and how it how it works um news uh for for quite a long time now
you just have to be first it doesn't have to be accurate and really uh some of this stuff gets legs quite a bit on social media and I actually got got sent a a flyer that's being passed out um calls to action but it it actually kind
of accuses the county in in black and white uh to reject the false statements made by the county and City documents I want to make sure our our Outreach is there I want to make sure that we are um as transparent as possible um I know you
guys have answered all the questions uh but I I I don't like like seeing that I don't know how to really address it in the community other than um getting the facts out there and engaging the public so they're armed with factual information so they can can formulate
their own opinion so um whatever help we can get counsel um on uh a little bit more um engagement out there in oin would be greatly appreciated also to Danny on that topic if you go into another one yes sir go ahead of the jpa
I've had long-standing opinion now for a few years that it's broken um it's outdated and I I factually think that it's unnecessary um I'm of that position I was a part of the jpa I was at the table when we created that joint planning
agreement I was on the city Delona commission and that jpa I'll tell you was created largely by the driving force of the oin community was at the table so
what you see there was largely um that Community pushing the County Council in the City of Deltona to come up with a future plan for that Corridor sure that 415 Corridor what it would look like um and uh I'll take part to blame with that
because it hasn't worked for whatever we we put on that map so I'm open to the discussion to a couple things right do we re revamp it or do we want to abolish it and treat it like any other um uh property in the county where you know
whoever's the governing body this makes the decisions on that so that's just my piece and I think we could have that discussion later I'd be more than since you have the the um historical knowledge of it David I think that would would come into play when we start doing community outreach we can partner up and advertise the meeting where we can go
and and and do this together with staff just to get try to get everybody on the same page and and and line everybody's Vision I know a lot of times that's not possible but if we can uh if we can do I think it would go a long way and kind of curb some of the um extra that uh is
being floating around the the community I understand and I agree with you let's look at it just couple things on that U real quick Danny it sounds like that would be a good opportunity um for a town hall if you
could get some staff to go because it is it's a pretty volatile situation in in Ste it it is if we allow it and also too if we if we continue to uh play into a lot of the misinformation and flashlight under the chin uh when we
don't have any of the information and and that goes with a lot of issues that we faced here and I'm going to let staff uh try to organize a professional uh engagement um session uh that we can have a a productive outcome and not just a uh uh
um circling the wagons and and hang session when when we don't have the information so I appreciate that and and uh moving on um Council you guys uh or we all collectively uh supported uh the
silver Glenn uh recently in a uh keeping the silver Glenn open uh recently in a um what uh what document did we send was it the uh a letter of support uh there is a meeting uh February 20th which is
coming coming up at 5:30 to 7:30 in Aster and uh FWC is going to be there to discuss the closure and additional regulations for the public usage of it if anybody wishes to attend um I can't begin to say again how how huge that is
to uh our community and and especially aser up there I've learned to to Really Love and Enjoy that place and it would absolutely just devastate that community and and hurt our boating rights and and whatnot in the Boating industry so so um that's it and I'll staff I'm probably
going to go to that meeting in case anybody else goes councilman Santiago thank you Mr Shar I'm going to share a little more love on our airport because um I think it's important to to share the story I was I Rec I think last week or week and a half ago I flew out
of Daytona Airport and I met a lady there um pre-tsa that um I think she was out of the Charlotte area she lives over in that area and she was just praising our Airport she says she encourages everybody that can that can come to Daytona Airport to fly in there uh her
words I believe is the best airport she flies into so um hats off again to an amazing team over there um and this was a lady that lives in Charlotte so um she's our she's one of our promoters and champions thank you s
um earlier today I talked about the tourism board looking at the um the makeups to have a discussion in the future I want to put that in a form of a motion so we just have it codified to support um Mr chairman I move that we direct staff to uh bring back to us the
makeups of the tourism boards for our discussion uh and potential future changes Second Joe Hanson any any questions I'd like to clarify that you're talking about the tourism development board where are you also
including the advertising authorities sorry I may have said it wrong the the advertising authorities that we approved here today thank you for the correction the three advertising also approved the tourist Development Council today I think you meant the tourist development I meant yeah the three that we appointed people to today to Halifax
Southeast and West so the three advertising authorities those thank you for clarifying it good job but let's put it on the table is that okay council do all four yeah I I second okay thank
you okay motion by Santiago second by Jake Johansson to look at all the tourist stuff all the boards um any questions comments all in favor say I any
opposed um my next item Mr chair and council is a I kind of want to say I think the the the governor was watching one of our County Council meetings and if you remember a few weeks ago we mentioned uh the idea of eliminating property taxes so yesterday
came out and I'm reading it here the headline Governor Dan santis indicates support for abolishing property taxes in Florida which at first I had to pinch myself because I was like wow what a coincidence that it happens but I think he was watching our council meeting I'm going to stick to that or one of his staffers was um that being said um I I'd
like this Council to approve a letter from the council signed by the chair or all of us whatever we decide uh to the governor's office addressing our support for consideration specifically I think the process would require what's an aaga
study and I think Mike put that in his his update to us that was one of the considerations of not too long ago but asking giving the governor support for the initiative to look into it uh and consider an Opa report which is a very comprehensive report that looks at you
know The Good the Bad and the Ugly for the legislature that makes a decision so I I moved that we send a letter of support to the governor asking uh supporting his position and asking for him to continue down that path I second that from the entire
Council signed by the entire Council so what I can do is if this motion passes I'll bring back the draft letter for you to approve um I I can can we do something so it goes out tomorrow the reason is the legislature's in session right now
time is of essence every day that goes by is another day that something else dies is there a methodology that we can give you Direction Mike to say send tomorrow I I think we approve this is my suggestion uh it if if you're okay with
authorizing a chair to sign it we can work with him and draft something up if it's signed by all of you becomes a sunshine issue because if you each individually have edits I need to bring the letter back to you and that's what we typically do we'll bring a letter
back to you I understand that you're concerned about timing here I I think if you wanted to go out as soon as tomorrow I don't think it can have all your signatures it can be on behalf of the council but what I would do is take your
direction to write something that for the chair that would be comfortable signing can I jump in Mr Dyer what if um councilman Santiago and the rest of this Council right now gave you the bullet points that we're okay with and then you
create it and we're telling you right now in the sunshine right now here's what we want you to talk about this way it gives all seven of our names Absolut that's fine okay I I think where we get into an issue is you say you want edits I can't do that me the direction you
guys are competent enough to do that so we gave you guys some PR good reviews of a couple months ago um I will say um I according to Mr uh Troy Kent's commentary I'm okay with that if the council wishes to approve this um and I think those bullet points
are that we're supportive I think make the statement that we believe that the Florida property tax uh process if I'm going to go strong is broken and warrant's support for his idea to
consider a support for a an aaga study from the legislature to look at options to fix the broken property tax system okay fix or replace yeah a good point yeah fix or replace good point Mr I agree
with that yeah pretty sure it's going to be a short letter yeah it know it sounds like it would be motion second we go all in favor I I okay thanks for that guys and Governor
keep watching our meetings we have a lot of fun here um and the last thing I had I just seen a a breaking news Troy your birth certificate is being reprinted and the name of the hospital is being removed I just went to the
there could be thank you thank you everybody have I'm done councilman Don Dempsey um Michael your name is still up you're you're done yes sir I apologize okay councilman Don Dempsey the governor's watching you
Dave setting you back weeks in your paranoia therapy I'll bet huh um yeah I have nothing but Cyrus I that that award the safety award I don't know what part you play in this but being a pilot my son was a flight
instructor over there at Phoenix East and the number of foreign students the language barriers the amount of traffic that they have going around in there and to get the safety award is you know hats off to you because I guess you're the boss of the whole the buck stops with you so to speak so congratulations on
that because that really is a dangerous airport and uh with all the student Pilots which I think are the most dangerous Pilots out there and plus the added language barriers that's hats off to you bud that's uh that's very very impressive Cyrus Callum thanks thank you
gentlemen Cyrus Callum Aviation and economic development director economic Resources Director and I'm flattered as I am ruining my title and and and coming in it's it's the team I I have to give 100% credit to the team uh the staff
they're Innovative uh they come up with so many ideas that keep us ahead of what our peer airports are doing and so I'm just fortunate to have those professionals around me and we sit in rooms and we throw things at the dart
board and see what sticks and fortunately for us the FAA and some of our other stakeholders are buying what we're selling so um I I don't want to um get ahead of myself with another award that I just heard we received today from
Aviation Newsweek magazine but we got the project of the year for our Runway lighting project that we just continue to wrap up so all of this Good Fortune just keeps happening but it's I cannot take credit for it it has to be the team
and all of us just kind of sitting around the table trying to figure out how we can make this airport better for our community for our stakeholders for our County and so we've been successful in that effort I did hear there's too many bass in the ponds in the front there and we
need to eradicate some of them thought just that was a rumor Danny and I are willing to help out for the team so I I'm sorry to say that there may be a policy change in our ability to allow people to fish from those ponds for safety
purposes thank you gentlemen yep and then last I didn't Danny only because you brought it up I plan on going to that meeting with you on Thursday so I don't know if we do we have to notice that does that mess things up I can go with
Danny well you can't ride with him I can't I can't ride with them I just help him with the big words that's all yeah you got a motorcycle just can't can't interact so I don't know if you're planning on going just watching if you're watching it's not I I hate to be this guy but Mike why
can't they interact I mean why can't you notice this no okay well I don't want no it's fine I can you notice this I can I'm just telling attorney general recommends I do it 72 hours in advance I can go and do it tomorrow morning you
can do it tonight or can I can do it tonight I just sit there and be quiet and not say anything is that okay what's that yes if I just sit there and just be quiet yes but I will uh or run like a little
boy that is Mission Impossible I think what they call it but I will notice it tonight okay I'll work with Mr Ryan and we will get it done let me put this on the public record don't listen to Troy Kent on this listen to your attorney I
just wanted him to try to get it out in time so you all could publicly interact if you wanted to at that meeting but don't listen to my advice listen to Mike D's advice that's it okay uh Jake
Johansson I sir I I I was temp to make a motion about drinking coffee up here but I'll skip that for now um I had a great meeting with staff the other day we we made a a
motion to investigate what we can do for veterans and uh um number one the the standown at the Ocean Center is coming up in in mid to end March 21st 2nd or 22nd 23rd no 21st
2nd Friday Saturday um and and that promises to be a a great start but uh after that I'm I'm hoping we can wrap up some um some staff initiatives that we'll be bringing the council uh for veteran discounts some
outdoor um expansion outdoor facilities for them some acknowledgement uh opportunities and some focused hiring um uh maybe internal to the to the government but I would like to expand that to externals so
that's coming here shortly I appreciate everything that George and Suzanne and Brad and uh Scott olon and the team are are doing to get me there so uh thank you very much George on that and Suzanne um the East Central Florida
Regional planning Council has uh a couple meetings tomorrow and then the diamond Awards um I look forward to having a few inputs for the diamond Awards next year uh but we we'll go I think Danny's going as well we'll
participate um uh we won't ride together uh but but we'll be there and then uh yesterday was it yesterday David Spirit of DeBry two days ago that's correct uh the city of DeBry had the dedication of
a of the spirit of the Barry it's an M5 tank that that I I believe they I think it was driveable until they put it on that slab the way they made it sound but um um I bring it to your attention because um Sher Simmons or
government u u government liaison said that she's going to drive it here uh next time they asked for money so I I just I I need to be prepared when the tank comes rolling in but no it was it was a great ceremony and they have uh
F-15 an anchor and an M5 tank now uh which which is pretty cool so fact uh well maybe I shouldn't say in case it blows away but the the F-15 was hung up there by uh buha County Road and Bridge
Department excellent so you know a guy that was that was associated with that back in the day and it's still there it's still there and and and it's yeah I don't think it's going anywhere soon and last but not least I I think Cyrus is still hanging out or at least in earshot
uh I I don't need you to come down but at the que breakfast they were talking uh to some uh entrepreneurs they got patents and and um and did some great work here in vucha county and one of the things
that one of them mentioned was uh that that she and her husband didn't didn't really have a mentor so they stumbled around now when when I got out of City management and well before that but um I I did have
some interaction with the sbaa and with uh Daytona State College and and I didn't really have a mentor but I had people to go to to figure out what I had to do make sure I did my business tax receipt for the city Ono and the county
too not that we have to do that anymore but uh um I'm I'm very interested in making sure that entrepreneurs uh do have adequate resources to find mentors I think we have incubators and other uh other
opportunities but I want to make sure they're robust and they're well known uh they're not well known to me but um uh I'd like to make sure that the the small business community and the innovators who have all these great ideas and don't know how to execute them uh that they
have the the they have the the resources they need to get from where they are to where they want to go I believe that's it thank you very much Troy Kent thanks chairman just a a couple of comments I'm going to start
with a public apology to uh Michael Dyer Mike I I'm G to look at you when I tell you this I I shouldn't play attorney and that's your job to do that your job to protect this Council um I tend to think that all the attorneys I've worked with on government are Ultra conservative but
I think it's for a reason you want to protect uh your bosses so thanks for being as conservative as you are that being said I'm excited that both Danny and Don are going to go I
cannot make this meeting but my wife about a week ago sent me a screenshot of something she saw on social media about silver Glenn possibly being shut down and she was like is this true could this happen it is
going to Silver Glenn and enjoying a day um a wholesome fun day on our boat with family and friends is a great experience and I am hopeful that you gentlemen are
um successful in expressing where we are in Valia that we want access to Silver Glenn we want to continue to be able to use it with our boats and we don't want government overreaching and taking away our rights
so I'm appreciative that you two are going there just briefly on the airport since a couple of people have brought it up it is my favorite airport it's a boutique airport um and I'm just telling not only you gentlemen up here but those
listening online and those in the audience if you there's two places to grab a bite to eat at the airport Port there's a little restaurant before you go through security and listen I'm not trying to dog them out but the second one after you go through security if
you're not getting a chicken salad sandwich on a toasted bread and if you're not getting a peanut butter and jelly on white soft bread and taking it with you and your
family wherever your destination is you are missing out in a big way that chicken salad is a 9.5 and uh PBJ is a 9.0 I've never had it I'm telling you right now if you
don't get it you are missing next time so I wanted to put I wanted to put that out there um so that that you all were aware and then I I'll I'll just end with this I think as we get older we're less surprised about stuff you just not that
you become cynical but you kind of you can read the tea leaves you know how things are going to go I just want to say I was surprised tonight in a good way thank you Danny Robbins have a good night his birth certificate is being reprinted too by the way just want to
let you know I just heard that okay um director Caleb you might as well come down because we're I I apparently we have to say happy birthday to you birthday yeah you're right happy birthday but I have a question I have a
question for you at the end of my I have two very quick comments here or um uh firstus to County Manager I think I know the answer to this but we we had nothing on flooding today on the agenda
when can we expect some of the issues that we sent to come back I know we buried you but well I'm glad you brought that up because that is a uh something that we need a little bit more clarity on we we
put out the uh memo the last meeting which addressed uh the seven items and I really you know need some direction from you guys where do you want to go with some of those because some of them already described what we were doing and
if that's acceptable I need to know that uh others uh describe some of the limitations of what we could do or how we could do that so we do need uh further Direction uh we can put together uh uh you know a presentation on on some
of the items uh but like I say some of them uh like the canal maintenance for instance we gave you the list of everything we're doing and where we're at so um you know that would be one I would expect we've already really covered so
um so that's what I'm looking for from this Council so you want to bring back the list so that we could all do that or yeah okay uh councilman Santiago okay
uh uh the jpa it was brought up um I think you said you'd like to see it be done away with I said I'd consider both options either modif Ying it to okay what's reasonable we think or
eliminating it yeah I would like to see see what's involved and bringing it back and looking at it I I would probably on the other end I'd like to see it strengthened I think the people of oin are concerned about they want to stay
Rural and they see Delona pushing that way and they see U zoning and land use changed um so I I would like to know how we can offer them better protection yeah and Mr chairman if I can address that I was there I want you to know that
because there was litigation a lot of litigation was happening and this plan that's in place is what the tin residents agreed to at the time not everybody I can't say that you'll never get that and the same comment that you made was the same comment back then
what's happened this is just my opinion what's happened is that when we created this very stringent standard in that jpa nothing really happened because it was about controlling the type of development we wanted along that Corridor nothing happened it was so stringent that nobody would invest in
that to do that and I think that was kind of sort of the mindset for some people now the market is changing and people are saying you know what I can make that project work within the parameters that are in the jpa today so we have told people for almost 20 years
that this is the type of development you want to you should put in a jpa and where I struggle with that the rule of law now that people are saying okay I'll do that we want to pull the rug from underneath them and I don't I don't think we should debate it all today but
I that's my impression people are saying I'll do that now those property owners that waited 20 years they have property rights are engaging in that some want to pull the rug from underneath them because they say I'll do it so that's how that played out it's I I think both
sides need to be Danny but that's the history Mr chair and I was there really engaged during that time da David sorry chair go ahead I I stand you were there I don't doubt you were there I don't question it um but in those 20
years um the mindset of of the public may have changed was the jpa created between the County Council and in the Deltona city council yes so there's there's two things I want to talk about there's there's the jpa which is the
joint planning agreement and there's the oin local plan which exists both in the city and in the the county so I want to make it clear the oine local plan as exists as it exists today is a high density high-intensity mixed use District in O that is its future land
use that's what it's zoned for it allows for the current existing Agricultural and Industrial uses to exist but it's essentially a document that says we want to be a a kind of like modern walkable kind of urban area so that's that's what
it's zoned today the joint planning agreement says is essentially a veto Authority so it allows the county to veto any land use changes in the oin local plan on the city side and the city to veto any land use changes on the
county side so anyone who wants to develop an O today needs to develop according to a high density um high intensity type development pattern but only parts of O I think it's important to sayate that it's a very narrow Slither corre it's adjacent to the road
so essentially the The Joint planning agreement um acts as a a check that each government has on the other if they want to make changes whether increasing density or most likely decreasing the density or intensity to a use it allows
the other government to veto that that land use change so that's essentially um the discussion to be had what do you want to do with the joint planning agreement what do you want to do with the oting local plan uh comp plan designation and
Sol okay um Danny go ahead and then I'll come back no thank you Paulo and and chair and probably last week I've talked about 20 residents that in Ting's actually a pretty good area you know it covers more than you would think but um
from the people I talk to they're not necessarily against development like uh uh Miss Swift had had had uh had called and um she actually said the complete opposite what I would have thought uh
and said hey we we want amenities something like a walkable community and and everybody's kind of comparing this little niche like like DeBerry has because I believe it's probably a good a good model but um any of these major roads you'll see along 44 or
415 that's that's where you want those businesses in higher intensity you don't want it in our transitional areas like if you go down mtown Road or if you head uh back towards Lake Monroe we don't you don't want it in there so those those where this development is uh possibly
proposed from what I understand that's what the the residents had put in place so it is isolated so it doesn't trickle into the the rural or transitional areas and and encroaching uh you know in the rural community rural part of oting but that's all there's there's a mixed bag
but I think they uh the biggest voices are saying amenities and and we just we want to make sure that jpa is being followed if I am one more chair sure and and you're right I think Polo you pointed that out well the the density is intense in there as it was written it's
really high um there been there's also been attempts to lower the de density from certain Parcels of land there to make it less than what they could do today and years ago this Council not this Council denied a density decrease
in the jpa um and I believe uh I think the response from what I heard from the developer was that okay I'll make up a number we wanted 600 units but you're telling us we have to build a thousand right so I'm those are not exact numbers
don't take them that way um but uh of that veto power um but they can build today under the existing oin overlay I think that's the word you use and the jpa without coming to the County Council uh if they use the existing um land use
yes I think that's what exactly what they do they they just switch the development for that's correct thank you Mr CH I just wanted to bring some historical perspective to that okay understand Danny were you done I would maybe suggest apulo that um I'd be
glad to hold a town hall down there if you would uh uh work into the evening and come down because there is um I I have also heard from Tina Swift and she there is no doubt she I think she would like
along the corridor with with skips boots to have a a nice downtown but for some reason I think all the council's getting him all the emails are coming in including from Tina Swift against this Housing Development so I would like for
them to to um to be able to ask questions how can they control their own destiny sure um I'd have to coordinate with the growth management department they have the the kind of nuts and bolts in the under
like good chunk of them were there um at the time so um okay can I ask question they could come as well yes does that POS I'm destroying some potential concerns does that pose any
potential pre prejudices with a land use hearing that may or may not come before us I I think I want to interject here yes uh the problem is uh with that now already scheduled and before us you know
my advice would be then you need to move through the process you need to table that when it gets here here to give more time for us to have any kind of public meeting or or do it afterwards yeah right you can take
action and then Mike you got a slot in your legal team yeah I I just remember I think David I think it's when you were vice mayor of Delona right I was yes and I just started with a county so it's like 20 years ago and there is a lot of
history to how we and the City of Delona have ended up with where we are with the O local plan and the jpa and it all started I shouldn't say started but it really was a result of there was an annexation challenge that the county
filed uh three challenges yeah three and and the concern was that oin would lose its rural character uh and so I think Deltona you would speak to it better than me their position was they needed that to
establish a downtown area and provide amenities to their citizens and so it ended up with this compromise I think as you said David Mr San Diego where you had this area where it had higher density to protect the other rural areas and you have this joint plan
agreement where the city and county are both basically need their consent for certain plan use decisions so um you know it took a long time to get to where we are I'm not saying it shouldn't
change but that litigation was definitely a big part of it I think how the county in Deltona ended up coming to some resolution um and they did so through these
documents that fair statement yeah thank you accurate what's coming before you is is a comprensive plan Amendment with a a companion rezoning so um discretion on the confidence of plan
abortion chair that was just to follow up and close this out that was my uh earlier suggestion that we do this in a methodical calculated surgical manner where we don't um encounter some of the challenges that we did with U for instance uh the fuel terminal and a
couple other ones where where it actually uh legally um caught up to us and I think we all understand why I don't want to see that happen again and I just want to make sure that um we do it in a manner that's uh good for everybody and and and factual
based yeah well factual basis that's why I suggest that we go to the people because populations have changed but there's there's oldtime residents and new residents that are saying stop the stop the development here and then
there's even some of those things but give us a downtown so I just want to get them the information that you know what's set up now why it is the way it is and if they want to change it this is what you'd have to do and we can do that after this
uh comes before us um so anyway last thing uh director you can you just give us a brief
Insight of what it was like we just had a historic event happen at the airport at Speedway Tona 500 the president of the United States came and he flew into our airport what did you have to do to
to allow that to happen Don talked Don talked about all of the uh the um riddle students flying around lots of coordination and once again that coordination came through with our stakeholders as well they reached out to
NASCAR and Daytona International Speedway and we've already had consistent dialogue that the last time the president came or back before he was president in 2020 uh when he came through um um you know we had to well no
he was President then well we had to make coordinated efforts to make sure that we were able to adhere to secret Services requirements and make sure that you know everyone that was involved in that um knew where they needed to be and what they needed to do and so we had our
pre-race meeting um with the idea that there could be a chance that the president would come and so we were able to flex and make sure that we were able to accommodate Secret Service appropriately so uh we had that done we had the Thunderbirds that were there
Thunderbirds came in uh the Thursday before the race and they did some performances um the queue meeting uh we were able to end the queue meeting in time for the Thunderbirds to come out and do a performance for uh not necessarily for the visitors at the queue but the timing worked out just
right that the visitors were able to uh witness uh some of their pre-ra day training and then we had a couple of other events that were coordinated with that as well um the airlines added extra sections um Monday we actually had
probably a near record back to the days when GE uh was operating at the airport in the 90s we had 3,200 passengers uh leave the airport um the security checkpoint the TSA operated seamlessly
and flawlessly uh with weight times that only maximized out at about 10 minutes so uh just to imagine you know some of our competitor airports and trying to push passengers through at that volume our rtsa team and stakeholders and
everyone worked together very well to make sure we were able to accommodate the passengers the best way that we could in addition to all the other events taking place so wow so did the president ever make it into our airport or did the limos sweep him away as soon as he the limos sweep
him away so as he landed yeah um you know that's that's one of the the things with how you know secure that operation needs to be um you want to kind of keep them in the motor cave take them to where he needs to go and then quick turn around
so right yeah all right thank you uh Don Dempsey as long as you're up here real quick question any chance we're ever going to get wings and waves back or any air shows out at the airport in the near future I don't know so the big question with that is going to be with sponsorship because you know that does
come uh with a a heavy lift and my understanding is Embry Riddle was involved with that um and then they they haven't been lately so there may be some opportunities I know the convention and visitors bureau were exploring the opportunity of having having uh
re-engaged with some promoters uh but finding a sponsor for that is going to be essential for that to take place y thank you is that it good meeting Council good debate and we are adjourned at 848
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