It's too bad. I think you're Has anyone absence? One, two, three. Are you okay? Thank you. Okay, it's 5:30.
We're going to go ahead and get started with our meeting and uh I'll call the meeting to order at 5:30. I'm chairing tonight because Mr. Watts is uh in Edgewater doing his business in Edgewater. Will Mary, will you do a roll call for us, please?
Of course. Ben Johnson here. Kelly Quiet here. Uh Louis Dwight Lewis. Amy Musei here. Patricia Nory here. Kenneth Parker here.
Nicholas Sarovski here. Suzanne Shriber here. Billy Wheeler here. Here, Stephanie Wolford. Thank you. Okay. Thank you all for for coming. Uh there is a conflict tonight with FE DOT,
so I don't know how many people we'll actually end up hearing from tonight, but we do have the vice mayor of New Simra Beach, Lisa Martin, is here and she would like to bring some welcome welcoming remarks. just want to say welcome to New Smyrna
Beach and uh I I'm glad that those who came to learn about the c the county charter understand the importance of it and I thank you for coming. I just wish there were a lot more. Thank you.
This can be some pretty dry stuff. So, um I'm going to ask our our attorney, Mr. desire to give you some information on uh about the charter we talked earlier and just update everybody so the new people here and hear from Mike.
Yeah. And I appreciate you introduced me uh right right after you said it's going to be very dry. Um, so, uh, the charter, uh, every charter, there's about 28 charter counties in Florida now. Um,
and the rest are non-charter counties out of the 67. Most of our mid to largesiz counties are charter counties anymore. Uh Valuchia was the first uh charter um third in the state but the first after the constitution was changed
in 1968 that provided a process for uh for charter counties to de develop. Um, we were uh uh initiated by a special law of the legislature that panled a group of
citizens to make a recommendation as to whether or not to have a charter. Um, and that charter was approved and charter government in Valuchia started at the first of the year in 1971. Um the basic difference between a charter county and a non-charter county
is uh a non-charter county if you had a county commission that wanted to pass a noise ordinance uh for their neighborhood, you would have to go through the statutes and find legal authority to enact a noise ordinance.
With an charter county, it's the opposite. You do not need an express grant authority. you can do it as long as the legislature tells you you can't. That's a generalization, but that's really the difference. Um, before we had a charter county uh
government, the the um there really was not a government as we know it today. We had five separate road departments, 17 taxing authorities. It was common for uh governments, counties to go to the legislature to get authority to do
something by special act. All that is changed now. Um, and really what we deal with for the most part is uh preeemptions and when the legislature I think more and more has we counted
there's over 200 different preeemptions where the legislature has told us how to do something that if the if the legislature had no law or rule, we could just handle it in a way that our elected officials feel is appropriate for our
community. Um, one of the big areas that I think that has changed during my since I started practicing is growth management. There are many laws that have been passed that tie the hands of local governments. Um, and really I
would say undermine home rule as we know it. Um, home rule is uh a nice way of saying let local governments regulate themselves. Uh, and preeemption can go can go against that.
Um, we did have a law passed this past session, uh, Senate Bill 180 that had a lot of preeemption, uh, preemptive authority. It basically would prohibit counties from proposing or adopting more
restrictive or burdensome basically land development regulations um until fall of 27. And that that preeemption can renew itself if another hurricane makes landfall basically within a 100 miles of
one of the borders of your county. Um, one of the things that before Simba 180 uh had changed since our last charter review was uh that uh any land use basically a land use
item that would have preemptive effect for example over cities uh that has to be put on the ballot by the county council county commission uh and not from the charter review commission. um with Senate Bill 180 on top of that that
basically that's even more restrictive I think because that prevents us from even proposing and uh proposing something that's more burdensome or restrictive not just for properties that were damaged but land development generally. So happy to answer any questions you may
have. Okay. I just want to be sure that the people that were out here understood where we were coming from and this is about change and uh we're happy to have everybody here today and we have one public speaker and that is Mr. Stitch.
Joe, you want to come forward and tell us your concern? And uh we have a three three minute deadline but we're going to be flexible because there's not anybody else speaking but you. Awesome. Um, I have a I've been involved with
these local politics for a while here. Um, so I just have some things I want to reflect on for this particular review commission. Um, the first thing on my list here is Robert's rules of order.
Um, as I understand it, that's what this committee is supposed to be run by. And I mention that because I I I just get scuttlebutt over the course of time about things that happened at these meetings and uh there was an issue taken that once it was issued that Robert's
rules would not be followed. So I hope they will be. Um the other thing is there's a there's a there's about 500,000 people in Valuchia County and out of those people that's at least
that's a voter role anyway. Um there's a redundant appointment on this committee and I would think that after my first one that I came here was 20 years ago that there would be other people on this committee that would be working to get change
instead of the same people all the time. Um I'd like to make a point about filling out the forms. If I was coming in here and I wanted to fill out a request to make a suggestion to this committee that
the form has some kind of u instructions for lack of a better word. Um 20 years ago I was invol involved in a situation here where I put in a a request to put on the commission. They told me I didn't fill it out
correctly. And when the report came out at the end of the session, there were 160ome people like myself who were not considered at all for any recommendation that they had made to this committee.
And the only committee or only recommendations that they that they had were from people who were sent here either to do something or people who were sent here not to do something to keep something from happening. And a lot of times that's what that that's what
leads to this kind of stuff. uh to think that they that that there aren't movers and shakers or county staff who have agendas of their own that they put on this
committee to put on that ballot. Uh it would be an erroneous assumption because they are here. There are people that are movers and shakers that put people on these committees for whatever reason. They want to get something done or they want to keep something from being done.
And the staff to me is just as bad. I I think that the staff in all reality should have term limits because you people come and go and staff is here for 20 or 30 years and I don't think that the people get representation
from staff. They're not elected and I see my time is up. So, uh that's the only thing I I I have okay on my my list. I think I'll just make sure I didn't want to. We appreciate you coming out.
This thing right here is Yeah, that's enough for tonight. I appreciate your time. Thank you. If you have other thoughts, you we have other three other listening sessions. You can come to those and express them. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Um I just saw a couple people come
in. Are you going to speak or No. Okay. Well, that that would conclude our speakers for tonight. Uh we'll we will wait as we did last meeting for a few minutes to see if there's people wandering around that are maybe lost. So I don't know who's John. Are you in
charge of that? Or George to George. Do you want to take a walk around and see if Okay. All right. Meanwhile, if there's questions for Mike, I'm sure he would be happy to entertain them. And you know,
I have a question. A question for Mr. Dyer. I you can just let me know if this is not the appropriate time and you want to wait. Um um the discussion on SB 180. So um
the two cities in Valuchia County who have voted to join the coalition for lawsuit. If the injunction is filed, uh, does that remove
for the county these um, restrictions or is it only going to be for those two cities? I would expect it would be for everybody. Certainly, if the final decision in a case either a statute is deemed unconstitutional or not. So if it
it's found unconstitutional unconstitutional ultimately by the court, it it's going to be rendered ineffective for everybody. So the injunction is a little different because I don't know how they'll write it and how they'll seek it, but
ultimately the relief that's given by the judge would apply to everybody one way or the other. The only other thing that popped into my head is when the gentleman was speaking. Um, if he can come to another location,
but what about sending an email or something to the committee because I know there was an email discussed, I thought. Yeah, I was going to get with Mr. stitch afterwards, but there is a clearing house email address that that folks um
from the public can utilize to um saying that I forgot about that to let members of the commission know what's come in. Um we we haven't received anything that that to this point but at some point in time we'll be
making that part of the public record um for the agendas and then you all can we ask that that be publicized through social media that might be helpful to them too. Is it on the It's on the website but we'll we'll try to highlight it a little bit. Okay.
So that people don't have to hunt and peck for it. Okay. All right. We might have to ask someone else to do it because I don't think John has a doesn't have skills. Yeah. That's what That's where we have people. Listen, I'm right there. I used to know
social media and I knew the computer really well and the older I get, the less I know. So, kind of like gone over my head. Okay, it's 5:43. We'll wait until six o'clock. Give people till six o'clock and then we will uh we will
Yes. Call our meeting to a close. Is that Will that I see out there? That Will, Will Roberts, our tax collector is out here. Thank you very much for showing up. Do you want to say anything? Help me out here. Will you talk a little bit about
It's going to be a long 15 minutes. Can we recess? Okay, we'll take a recess and we'll come back at six o'clock to close out if we don't have anybody else who shows up. Okay. Thank you. We're in recess till 6.
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I think Can we bring everybody everybody back so we can see if there's any Miriam. Is there anybody else signed up? No. Okay. No. Okay. Appreciate everybody who has come out
and I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. Motion to motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I. We are adjourned. Thank you again for coming out and to the audience. Thank you all for coming out. Best run.