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e e okay good morning we will call the March 4th 2025 Lucia County council meeting to order at 901 um we will start the meeting in in just a minute I'll ask you to stand for
uh the invocation and then the uh Pledge of Allegiance if uh if you would care to join us and just stand with us and I'll just let you know that uh any um Faith group is welcome to participate in the
invocation just send an email to k green here uh to my left to your right and it's K the letter K green volusia.org and she will get you all set up um and ready to go um this morning we have
Pastor Joel Newman with the Life Fellowship Church of the Nazarene and Deltona Pastor Newman we are glad to have you here if you would stand and just remain standing for the pledge nope you first oh I get to go first all
right well great well good morning it's an honor to be here this morning uh to present this invocation my uh my hope is is that in this time of uh what can at times be trickle down division that this
invocation be something that perhaps penetrates the hearts and minds of all here this morning and so I ask uh that we bow our heads and uh listen to the words that God gave me this morning that can perhaps guide this
meeting father Creator Lord as we guide As We Gather here today in the presence of each other and under the watchful eye of your eternal spirit May the hearts of all those attending be softened by your
peace If It Be Your Will May the minds of those who seek communal good through right actions wise decisions be open to accept all ideas presented with a view towards lawful
advancement and civil wellbeing County Improvement residential Improvement and overall business growth within every sector of this small part of what is your grand creation
let all words be spoken today to be filled with knowledge let the proposal sit firmly on a foundation of Truth fairness equality and Innovation May the decisions made in the conclusions reached be and
bring with a sense of purpose a blessing of growth and a season of prosperity for the largest number of residents living within this County then may this example extend beyond the borders of this small County to reach
more neighboring citizens and municipalities with ideas actions and implementations and implementations that will benefit a large population with the good to be in your glory and we make these requests and we bless this meeting and
all who participate in it amen amen I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God
indivisible andice for all okay wife is squared away Christa would you call the role Please Mr Robbins Mr Santiago here Mr Dempsey here Mr Johansson here Mr Kent here Mr Reinhardt here Mr
Brower here and we do have a uh a quorum a full a full dis here um we will start with public participation do we have any okay I will call these in the order that
they were turned in and when I call your name please come to the podium tell us your name uh where you're from you don't have to give your complete address for safety reasons but tell us where you're from uh uh what city what part of the county so that your representative knows
and you will have three minutes to talk about anything that pertains to uh Valia County Business and um the first person on the list is Mark Carston hi how you doing good I I'm Mark
Carson and I'm a resident at 2772 in North Thorp and unincorporated Orange City so my residence is within the county of Valia the reason why I want to serve has to do with chairman brower's number one issue which is flooding you
might ask what what flooding has to do with what flooding has to do with you might ask what flooding has to do with historic preservation the answer is the following Pioneers like John B Stetson and Henry danan would be turning in their graves if they were here to
witness 100% clear cutting of of indigenous trees from the development lots and high-rise soil infill infilling of low Ling areas that often the clear cutting of indigenous trees from development lots and high-rise soil infilling of low-lying
areas that often border on being considered as Wetlands or flood Plains danan was almost aborted but for a stage coach driver who encouraged Henry danan to keep traveling just a bit further to that high and dry Pine Forest that was
developed into Pimon Holland hollow's Hollow but P Simmons's Hollow which was renamed D land as evident in Mark Carson's resume 2024 I graduated from Savannah College of Art and Design in 2020
2011 with a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in historic preservation I also have experience in the corrective restoration of antique doors antique doors and both Sash and casement style Windows yeah windows and both SAS and
casement style windows at CCS restoration and specialized Property Services I am currently I am a current member of the West fuchia historical society and I worked there in 2022 at the front desk and reserved tours
memberships and points of sale with their Clover system I also worked at the Tyler History Center in Youngstown during the age of covid-19 I pray that I'm selected on the preservation board or the cultural uh Board of uchia County thanks
Mark Carson God bless you God Bless America David Hill okay I think we've got it all straightened out Mr Hill okay uh David Hill Miller Road here to talk about Miller
Lake Miller Lake is as high as it's ever been this time of year it's it's a probably a foot and a half from the top of the road and of course the uh s everything's tore up pretty good but the point is is you know we hear nothing are
what are the plans for Miller Lake and Miller Road the water still rolling underneath 1792 any major rain event in the storm the the lake will go under underwater again so is this if the County's not going to do
anything or if you are just communicate it and tell us so that we can make plans right now we're just assuming that we're going to flood this summer uh because the Lake's never been this High uh so what I'm asking you is is can you tell
us what you're going to do or is the fact that you're not doing anything telling us what's going to what our future is because we do need to make plans hands there'll be homes that will be flooded our access will be way higher than it's been if we have another
hurricane so I'm just asking you all just to communicate and tell us what we're going to do the water's still rolling in so uh appreciate you hearing what I have to say and and thank you for your time thank
you Monica Emerson Monica Emerson at 365 Miller um good morning and I'm here to raise more concern regarding the impact our neighborhood has experienced since hurricane Milton it's the efforts have
been made over the last few months have seen progress um however the last two weeks efforts have been stopped so no progress has been made since the last two weeks um regarding our submerged yards our our submerged septic tanks
they even have a vehicle halfway submerged at the moment in our backyard um of the two and a half acres that I own I have about one acre usable um so as we appreciate the efforts that have been done um what is
going to be the continued effort to see more progress it's been 145 days since a family still has been able to use a toilet in their home they've been still utilizing a camper to live in their
driveway 145 days this is just not an inconvenience this a serious safety and health concern with rainy season fast approaching and hurricane season just around the corner we need to address this issue now the situation has remained at a stand since pump pumping
efforts were halted to weeks ago water levels are at a standstill the water level is at almost the same level as the road that you the our current road the prior road that you guys made for us has been taken down so now we're at the same level so if we do
have a rain event the size of Milton we will back we'll be back to square one we'll need another temporary Road I'd imagine that was a pretty penny to give us that temporary road but we'll be back at square one again so we we just
raising concerns that we do need Solutions sooner than later because time is of an Essence for some of our homes my home was spared this time but my home will not be spared the next time because now my rain level currently is beyond uh
recovery if we have a millon my rain level is up to my septic tank so if we get another rain event it'll be coming into my home this next F so I won't be so fortunate My Neighbor Next to Me won't be so fortunate so we we're asking
you please help us please give us some solutions some answers because it is around the corner I know that Basin studies were supposed to be ordered or to be ordered soon but we need some kind of communication as to what's going to
be done and how a solution will be handled for Miller Lake thank you thank you Katherine levenson good morning Katherine lenson Miller Lake on the Shady L Shady Lane side so we're unincorporated phoa on our
side we're told we don't exist by Orange City or DeBerry so I haven't been here in a few weeks because I had a death in my family my dad pass passed away meanwhile I get out of that and I come home and nothing has changed the
berry stopped pumping they stopped pumping the water out I don't know if it's because you guys told them to do that or they did it on their own or they were told in back back areas to told to do that I don't know but whatever it is the water hasn't gone down at all so you three who've been out to my property
know what I'm talking about my dock is still I don't know another 10t before I can even reach it and it's still six feet under my dock that's on a dry area of the lake my property that I bought in 21 that was 100% dry is not 100% dry I
can't even see the fence lines that Circle my property you guys I realize that the wheels of progress are slow I get that and I get that for whatever reason you've decided not to talk to us anymore I sort of get that I guess not
really um but it doesn't change the future and the future is we're going to drown it's coming and this is a warning I mean we've been warning you guys for five months that it's going to be worse and I really need you to take it serious
because I don't want to just lose my dad and then lose my house because it's coming um I was told today that elevate Florida will not help me so I was denied by FEMA I was denied by Elevate Florida and pretty much I'm denied by you guys because you won't even talk to us
anymore so we're asking for your help we don't want want it to go the wrong way but it is Joshua Rivera good morning thank you for allowing me to speak I'm here Miller Lake Josh Rivera same issues you've been
hearing about we're asking to turn the pumps on they haven't been pumping we were making a lot of progress Miller Road was three foot on the water now it's barely under not underwater
just it's just to the side of it so if we continue to do that that's going to help a lot we're asking you please to turn the pumps back on it was working pretty slow progress but it was working 145 days since Miller um since
Milton and we're still flooded she has all those flooding issues we have all those flooding issues there's other sides of Miller Lake Miller Road that are still flooded um people are just now gaining access to their house we've been here multiple times
talking about the same thing right Miller Lake has no capacity so if we get another storm that's even close to the to the range of this last one it's that our whole entire Community is going to be destroyed it's already pretty much destroyed you're going to
finish it off with that the time to act is now hurricane season right around the corner same you know we we we have zero capacity what's the current plan we're not getting any communication from anyone so that's the major issue right
now you know um if we wait till hurricane season I mean it's all these things take time right we're pumping we're going down a half an inch to an inch a day we're talking 3T 6 feet we still have another 6 feet to go to get
it where it was before Milton um we we're asking we're asking for help and we would greatly appreciate anything you can do to help us out um thank you thank you uh Rees Linton
good morning I'm part of the Miller Lake crew as well so I think I'm the last one here to just underline things here for us and um I just want to let you know here of course that we're not going away until the water's going away and we're at the
point here where we have no choice but to do things like this um I have a little bit of a prepared uh statement here um my family needs your help our property is currently still 3 and 1 half acres
submerged we only have five acres we appreciate the recent pumping out of Miller Lake that has reduced the submersion significantly the current issue is that once the pumping stops so did the the receding of the water Miller
Lake is a basin it holds in the water that it receives and we are still receiving water water from Orange City the issue right now is that we've never seen the water level this high in March and the rainy season is coming I ask two
things we stop the unnatural flow of water from Orange city that is currently fast tracked to our area and we need solutions to help us move current water levels down to a
manageable place I further suggest that we get the levels down to pre 2017 when St John's approved the valve that concentrates water moving into our humble little Basin I've already replaced well
equipment and pool equipment and had a harrowing experience trying to get my daughter across the flooded road to a waiting ambulance on the other side if we don't do something I fear we will also have to find a way to replace our
home I want the public record to show that we have asked for your help today will you help us thank you thank you David Kremer hi 180 Shady Lane Miller Lake uh and yes our house is still uninhabitable
yes the septic is still underwater and yes our daughter's still looking for a place to live now you're all aware there's uh litigation going on with the uh businesses across 1792 in Orange City and if uh the Count's legal has told you
not to talk and not communicate with us then you know by all means to do what legal says uh but if if there's a way to communicate what's going on all the solutions that were discussed in discussed in December or January
February you know is is anything going on or uh you know may maybe legal should also be aware that that uh several of you were told by Ben Bartlett that the solution is to flood the homes and buy them out so if that is still the
solution I've asked this the second time now then please tell us now is uh turning the pump P off two days after the litigation went through is that retaliation I I don't know we're not being communicated to in
uh stop communicating you know what's going on uh and is and again I'll bring up that uh several of the neighbors before the flooding ever got this bad in 2017 18 2019 all came and uh all the pumping was
approved at that time which would never have gotten as bad it is as it is today but that pumping never occurred because Ben Bartlett refused to do it when all other entities in the cities and St John's river Authority agreed he said no and
I'll remind you again that Ben told me on the phone I could buy the pump so if that's the type of retaliation that goes on when the community is looking for help you know that's that's a sad day so uh and you know coincidentally after the
pump discussion and that phone call was over then immediately after that Ben Bartlett's brother who was also the valua County Appraiser came and took our agricultural status away of course we had to get rid of the animals and the livestock because the water was up so
high so this has been going on for a while and it's just slowly getting worse and it's as if the county is just allowed it to get worse so please help and communicate thank you thank you you uh thank you all for
your comments um I uh I see the county manager would like to reply and I I just want to correct one thing that was said because I I've heard it a lot um Ben is not related to the property appraiser they do share the same last name but
there's there's no blood relationship there um uh County Manager George reell well that's what I was going to say is it for the record Mr Bartlett the two bartletts are not related in any way
so want to make sure that was clear there is litigation going on are are you allowed to give them any update at this time I would just say that uh we are working the I will say that the city of DeBerry number one the city of DeBerry
is not pumping so that was they never pumped it's when the Florida Department of Transportation has been doing the pumping into the line that then goes into the DeBerry system which ends up in the DeBerry uh Quarry or borrow pit that's
the final resting place that's full they need time for their system to recover so that's what they're they've asked us to do and on top of that St John's water Management's authorization to pump ended I think on February 19th so those are
the two factors now that's not meaning we're stopping or anything those are just the the current condition we've met with DeBry uh we met with St John's we'll continue to meet further with St John's uh looking
at more of a long-term pumping plan uh we are aware uh that yes it's going to rain again uh when the rainy season comes and so we're trying to look at what we can do to adjust the lake level between now and then the road was uh
repaired access was put back for everybody uh we've taken over nearly I think between six and 7 ft of elevation uh water out of that uh out of that Basin so that's what's occurred so far we're not done we're actually uh
also have some other actions I'll be bringing forth uh um in regards to property and other things uh around the lake okay thank you all right that's uh the end of
public participation for uh opening U we will move to uh item one which is the approval of the agenda do I have a motion second that's for public
comment one Oh I thought it was for okay okay we'll do go ahead do this one I thought we had one more for the uh consent agenda but they wanted to speak now so Jake Johansson you move to approve
the agenda and the second was by by Vice chair Matt Reinhardt all in favor say I I any
opposed and motion the the agenda is approved 7 to Z uh we'll take our last speaker now I'm sorry I over look to you uh Jake where are you in the back good morning
morning I guess I'm the final speaker this morning uh I just wanted to express my family's concerns about flooding um speaking for my mother she lives south of Taylor Road in Country
Club Estates district one so Mr Dempsey uh as other speakers said it has been 145 days since Milton and the good news is that um recovery is is proceeding for us at
least um I attended the special meeting last month um in regards to improved building standards for flood
mitigation and I noticed that there was there were no orange shirts here or people who were lobbying against having a more having stronger regulations and I feel like they knew that the county was going to act or not going to
act and then improve those water standards um we're awaiting I think myself and then our neighbors are awaiting word on the Basin studies I heard in that meeting that they were
nearly done but we haven't heard anything else so we'd like to know what's going on with that um let's see I understand that there's a in regards to storm water maintenance so
the people who run the vacuum trucks that drain water from various locations that there's a staffing shortage so I would like to know if the county is doing anything about that if they can raise their pay get more staff
in and I know know people speaking in front of the council and the council itself have a lot of talk about Solutions but we're still waiting for Action so we
would like to see that I thank you thank you okay that takes us to the uh consent agenda and I'll I'll just tell the council now we have a member of the public who would like to uh speak on
item I does any council member have an item they would like to pull for a vote does any council member have an item that they just want to uh have commented on after the vote okay nothing uh nothing to pull so
before I ask for a motion and a vote I'll call on uh um Amy uh munizzi to come and speak to item I good morning Amy mun De Leon Springs Community Association we just wanted to
come and say thank you to staff um as you all know we have a basin management action plan in Delon Springs and one of the facets of trying to reduce nitrogen um in our spring is to have the citizens who are on less than an acre have to
convert to nitrogen reduc ucing septic systems um in 2022 gindra D and her team went to FD for a grant and got $ 1.1 million and then went back in 2023 got another $1.1 million and that gave us
$2.2 million for our citizens to have up to $10,000 per resident on less than a half an acre to convert to nitrogen reducing systems um so far to dat we've had I believe it's 26 families take advantage of those grants and that's a
great win for our community this is a little frightening for people there's a lot of people that don't want to have to make this decision but um it's a state mandate it's not a county mandate it's a state mandate and we have to do it if we're on less than an acre um we knew
that was going to come to an end this month and so we were a little bit concerned about losing those funds instead um the team went back the Environmental Management team went back and asked for an extension and so um now those funds are available to us until
2027 and that's a real blessing for our community um we have great contractors who are involved in this they've gone through the department of health program so they can learn what they have to do to comply and get citizens to comply they have been a tremendous facet in
this Jennifer Spain with um Pollution Control has been terrific she just put on another meeting for us so that we could come and learn more about these things uh now our citizens have up to to $14,000 to help convert to se to nitrogen reducing septic systems so I
know I always quote Mike olrick and he says uh nobody can do everything but everybody can do something to help protect our water quality and we've had that happened from the Community Association constantly giving out information and learning
information and sharing it to citizens who genuinely care about our water supply and our spring to County staff who's really had our back in getting these grants to help us comply to the State of Florida and the legislature who just want to protect these beautiful Springs and um we're just thankful that
we have a county that that cares about us and wants to help us comply with this and so we thank you so much for everything that they have done thank you for your comments uh do I have a motion for the consent
agenda second Reinhard have a motion to approve uh as presented by Jake Johansson and the second by Vice chair Matt Reinhard any uh questions all in favor
say I I any opposed and the consent agenda is approved 7 to zero which is going to take us to item three a proposed offer of settlement pursuant to section
70.1 The Bert J Harris private property protection and uh paos Soria you're going to uh thank you Mr chair members of council paos Soria senior assistant County attorney on January 28th 2025 the county received a notice of claim under
the Burj Paris uh junior uh private property rights protection act uh for property located on 2255 uh kumala uh Road in the City of Deltona um based on the invitation to bid um Contracting and kind of
construction work on Howland Boulevard um upon review of the notice uh of claim uh staff determined that it was deficient for a multiple multitude of reasons those reasons are outlined in the staff report if you kind of care for all of the kind of Leal technicalities
the berj Harris act does require regardless of the quality of the claim for that requires the local government to um provide a written offer of settlement within 90 days of receipt of the claim that written offer of settlement does include no changes to
the government action so you know upon review of the notice of claim staff's recommendation is to provide a statement of allowable uses which is all the uses that exist currently um and also to provide a written settlement offer of no changes to the government action and I'm
I'm available for any questions Chris Ryan from our office is also available for any questions questions for Paulo uh David Santiago thank you Mr chairman um if I understood what you said I want to make sure I'm right in in your explanation
there um the reason for the recommendation is because of a technical process that they did not comply with is that right yes their their notice of claim is is in our in our view very deficient um however the Bert Harris act requires us to act regardless of the
quality of the notice of claim within 90 days to provide a written offer of settlement which includes we're not going to change anything and that's our recommendation we're not going to change our actions one more question Mr chair um based on the action we take today on
this claim um would it uh is there any other uh avenues for them to disagree with us and move forward yes yes well this is purely on the technical provisions of the bir Harris act um anyone can sue for any reason it
just depends upon if you can State a claim um our view is that they they do not meet the technical requirements for a a valid berj Harris act claim under the statute okay and one more thing Mr chair if I could for for purposes of U my education the council and maybe the
public could you give us a brief synopsis of what a bir J Harris claim is and sure so a birch Harris private property uh Rights Act claim is something that is is less than a full taking so when we say a full taking
essentially um we either have physically invaded a property we want the property and it's it's ours or you have regulated the property to such an extent that all reasonable economic use and investment reasonable investment back expectations
are removed from the property so it's basically uh uh you have reduced the value value of the property down to nothing that is a standard kind of taking uh Federal taking claim the bur Harris act however uh sets a lesser
standard it allows a property owner to uh make a claim against the local government for something that is less than a full taking um so basically if if a government action inly burdens a reasonable investment backed expectation
so that's that's kind of the the prevailing standard uh so if you know a direct government action applies to a property and reduces that property's value and uh and uh interferes with a uh an identified reasonable backed
expectation that is uh something that someone can claim under the biry Harris property rights act and not under a traditional taking so it's it's a Florida's property right state it allows someone to sue a local government for
actions that interfere with their their Investments you use the word uh value is any value any reduction in if it can be um let me back up if it could be proven that there was a reduction in value
based on a government action it could be any amount of value or is there a threshold that it needs to pass there's no specific threshold um essentially but the value has to be done to the property so it's not business damage it's unlike with standard taking you know they have
to um identify what the investment backed expectation is they have to identify what the government action is they have to identify that the government action actually interfered with their investment back expectation and they have to demonstrate by an
appraisal the reduction in value on the property so you know depending upon whether that value is is there's no kind of threshold but it's is like minor decreases in value aren't
claimable you have to demonstrate that the reduction is value is is connected to the reasonable reasonable investment back expectation and I think my final question would would an action like
additional um procedural or steps uh processes to a a property could that be considered a diminishment in value if if if a property owner had to go through additional cumbersome
steps hard to say anyone can suit for anything um but usually process is isn't unless you are you have set it up such that um it actually does interfere process is usually not a claimable thing
um you haven't taken away um and this is just arguing like it's it's on a Case bye bases you haven't taken away any of the uses um and you haven't kind of interfered with their reasonable investment back expectations so process by itself is may not be one of those I
appreciate it thank you thank you Mr chair thank you any other questions okay is there a motion on the proposed settlement motion to approve motion to approve by Vice chair Matt Reinhardt
I'll second it and a second by councilman Santiago uh comment from anyone okay then I'll call for the the vote the motion to is to approve and
accept the proposed offer of settlement pursuant to section 70.1 70.1 all in favor say I I any opposed and the motion is approved 7 to
zero that takes us to item four ordinance 2024 D16 concerning shipping containers the use of shipping containers in valua County good morning Carol McFarlan planning and development services
director um so this uh ordinance has before you it was originally discussed in council meeting October 17th 2023 was part of a conversation that was about commercial vehicles and shipping containers it was a bit of a broader
discussion um and it was taken to the pdrc on August 15th 20124 um and two more times since then October and December so it's gone through a lot of um iterations and some problem solving and some soul searching
um again it originally came to council uh the actual motion from Council was to draft an ordinance for shipping containers in commercial and Industrial zoning classifications so when staff started uh its Drafting and getting ready for pdrc
Workshop we added in um agricultural uses as well so the ordinance 2025-the rules that are already under um our code of ordinances that applies for accessory structures so there's two parts to the
ordinance the first part allows shipping containers in agriculturally zoned properties with no permit no permit is required same as any other agricultural structure in agricultural land um it's exempt from that
requirement um The Only Exception is if it's within a flood plan and that's a a state rule it's in our flood plane ordinance if it were to be in a flood plane they could elevated it or put flood vents on it so there's ways
to to get through that and that is limited to 2.5 acres um plus one additional per five acres for a maximum of six um if you do the math I think that comes out to 20 acres is how you would get up to six containers per
parcel the two .5 Acres was discussed by Council there was kind of discussion of between one and three and in the end we don't have a zoning classification that has three acres it's one 2.5 acres and five acres so we went with the 2.5 acres
and I do want to point out in this section for the the permit exemption it's agricultural zoning or classified as an agricultural use pursuant to chapter 193 so that means if you have the agricultural tax exemption you do not need a permit for the
shipping containers so the next section of the code talks about shipping containers in um rural Business Industrial and public zoning classifications as well as non-residential puds they are required to have a
building permit which means they need to be tied down um they have to have one acre outside of the wetlands I don't want to go through every single one of these unless you want me to um but we are looking at um um same uh rule with
the 2.5 acres um and we're looking at a Max a cap of two same situation with the um flood Hazard management you have to meet those rules we did talk about having a stable Foundation you know so not not a
concrete slab but something to keep the shipping container from getting uh caddy Wampus and for the commercial and Industrial there need to be screen with landscaping or fence which is consistent with any other requirements that we have for commercial um storage
units there are some prohibited locations um the first one's usually talking is really talking more about commercial uses so it can't be in areas where cars are supposed to be going through pedestrian access sidewalks easements Etc they are not allowed on
vacant or unimproved properties and cannot be visible from the street or used as a sign um another issue is that they cannot be um habitable or have utilities brought to them to be habitable and the reason why um you know
we we talk about sometimes uh you know sh shipping homes being used for um residences is something that comes up quite a lot so I want to make a clarification that nothing in our code says that that you can't do that caveat is that you meet building permit
requirements so at that point you're really using the shipping container more as materials than anything else so if um the structure were to be used as habitable space the way this code is written is that it's looking at the shipping container as um as materials
and that it would really be kind of livable area if it were under air for example this is a legislative hearing so you guys have obviously quite a a broad review UMO broad discretion for how you want to to make your change
um we had one public participation in August October um someone asked for RR to be stricken from the ordinance to not allow them um in the rural residential zoning classification um that did not make it
into the um ordinance after the December plrc discussion so with that staff recommends approval you have several different options here right we can talk about changes that we want to make we can make small edits you could do a continuance if you wanted to see some
sort of a rewrite of the ordinance or you could table or deny the ordinance so I just want to want to make it clear as we're having this conversation that um this staff is here to help Implement what the County Council wants to do so there are things that we try to draft
the ordinance to make it easy for us to have that communication so if numbers need to change that's a very very easy change for us um pal actually usually ends up doing it right here while we're sitting here in Council um if you need to change you know add a zoning
classification or move it to one of the different sections again that's a very very easy change striking sentences is easy and striking paragraphs is easy so I just wanted to to make that clear that those are discussions that we're ready and willing to have with that do you
have any questions Council any questions for Carol McFarlan Danny Robbins thank you chair uh thank you Carol for for working on this um couple quick questions what would be the difference between a
temporary structure and uh an accessory structure um do we have our building official here Nick sure I guess not yet um so temporary he's a bit better equipped to answer that question that I am thank you
Nick Nick fentura interim building and code Administration and Chief Building official so um temporary structure defined in the Florida building code would be for 180 days is that something uh Nick that at a
at a local level um because I see this you know Council came forward with uh some recommendations of of the direction that we wanted to go uh to make things simpler um these aren't fastened to the ground
and uh you know um can we get away with doing as a temporary and my other follow-up question to that is if it's classified as an accessory structure do the residents then get taxed on it as an accessory versus a temporary
because just like a shed these are temporary you can move them at any time so is it our law that's 180 days or is this something that how it's defined in the building code but if they're going to be on Agland
which is exempt from Florida building code I understand that so outside of Agland yeah so outside of that we're really talking again about the commercial and the industrial classifications if it's used as storage container um as storage then same as any
other storage on the commercial industrial the difference is the the rural zoning classifications right so on the rural rural zoning classifications r r r a A1 A2 2 a whatever
will can we do it as temporary or do they have to say is accessory I'm trying to make this thing simpler and it yeah this is very this is a bureaucratic mess just my opinion and no offense but I'm trying to make this
this this much much simpler than what it is and how it can benefit our our residents yeah certainly we can draft the code however you want it to be drafted um if it were a temporary use um again if it's agricultural wouldn't
need a permit so we wouldn't have any idea of when it was placed on the property um so we'd be talking about that uh rural the r RR and the commercial and Zoning classifications um would we be able to strike 180 days and make it temporary
are are you um would you prefer that it not have a building permit at that point we're in questioning uh right now I got a list of of things um that I'd like to see changes uh i' like to hear from Mr Santiago because but I just want one
quick answer if it's an accessory structure does the property appraiser assess taxes on that square footage I can't speak to what the property appraiser does but I would imagine so Ju Just Like a sh you would be using it just like a shed so they
would they would assess it the same way yes sir done uh councilman Santiago thank you Mr I got a question for Danny to try to I'm trying to get in your space are you trying to uh which I like um are you trying to keep the tax man's fingers off this
also I don't want us on property and I want everyone I want the government's hand out of our residents's pocket the best the best we can Council I'd like to make a motion to uh not for approval but for further discussion um where I can make my recommendations if there's nobody
else is is your motion to approve and then discussion I didn't understand it so your motion would be to postpone I think you need to I have some recommendations but okay I I love your your your reasoning and
your question line and if there's a way to avoid taxing people for a storage unit i' I'd love to find it so I'm I'm good with you continuing the the only thing I wanted to ask Mr chair if i k if I I can um the in the the recommendation
I think it said um can we go back one page I want I want to say the wrong wrong words I think might be a page or two back vacant there it is vacant or unimproved properties it's prohibited right is that what this recommendation
is and what was the rationale behind that cuz I I I have a difference of opinion if someone has five acres and they want to put a container in it for whatever purpose why not yeah that's exactly so I may recommend that change
also to extract that unless there's a viable reason for not allowing it sure um and that doesn't apply for the agricultural um uses so those they can have shipping containers so again we're talking about the rural and the U
commercial and Industrial um and that's that's kind of our typical code is that you can't have an accessory use when you don't have a principal use um so you know a commercial zoning designation um we don't technically like to have
businesses on properties that um they don't really have any infrastructure they may not have driveways they may not um have any of their Wetlands or flood plane um delineated on the property okay so what you're saying with this in the language and I'm you're helping me so I
appreciate it with this in the proposed language it would prevent someone from taking a vacant commercial lot that might be on Frontage let's just use that example on a commercial Frontage from just putting a shipping container right there and being Exempted from all codes
correct okay I wouldn't want that to happen so I'm glad I asked the question thank you for the clarification okay uh councilman Troy Kent yeah I was just going to tell councilman Robbins um I look forward to
the changes and recommendations we had a healthy discussion about this a year and a half ago and I'm going to surprise you by seconding your motion okay so the motion was to discuss no he has no one seconded that motion that wasn't needed he's going to start making some changes he he's he didn't
make a I mean he made a motion but no one seconded that second yeah no yeah okay uh councilman Robbins please continue thank you uh chair for the Le leeway um couple things uh to kick it off um the flood PL man flood plane
management element uh in the proposed language would require um Carol that the resident cut holes uh in that container which would ultimately defeat the purpose because they're they're watertight uh for for a reason and they
have a subfloor as well um also to council um the language I would like to change the language to include the words the word stable that you hit on instead of solid uh there's not a clear definition for solid in our
um the the ordinance in front of you does say stable okay good good uh just to avoid any problems there but but mostly um most importantly Council if this is adopted uh as presented um if you travel the county in
any of our transitional areas which are one acre and above RR ra uh to two and a half uh out into the the larger Parcels you'll see a lot of the properties uh already have these right um all throughout the county and
overnight with these pages of of now requirements would ultimately create a un necessary burden in my opinion whether it be costs um permit fees this that and the other uh stuff that this Council unanimously uh steered against
um so um I would also like to add the applicability uh to the zoning I know you have it a 2 and A2 acre minimum I want to include RR which is a 1 acre minimum which is rural residential and the ra uh both are traditional but we're
left out of the initial uh proposal um and I'm I'm good with Council to eliminate all of the things presented except for the following on those lots that were 1 acre
to 2 and a half to maximum and I'm good with the rest uh you set up to you know 20 acres or whatever your example was so uh two maximum per lot on um one to two and a
half acre Parcels those two zonings and then I'm goodwi cannot be located in a V vehicular AIS area pedestrian facility required landscape buffers streets walkways or sidewalks good with that one um I'm good with shall not be permitted
as a habitable space office rented or leased utilities or electrical extended to The Container to make it habitable I'm good with that one I'm good with cannot be used as a sign um I'm good with must be maintained good condition with no visible structure
or damage or corrosion and I'm good uh with the when it comes to our businesses uh with it being screened or barriered uh if out a business which I think is pretty standard um but when it comes to Industrial if you go to an industrial
site folks um these containers are are widely uh used uh and mainly for security purposes while on that job site but to have industrial or businesses come in and pay another fee on top of all of our other requirements I think is is very
Petty and and a little overreaching of us uh to do that especially when there's standard on any job site throughout the world um so I'd like to exempt industrial from any of the the um bureaucracy uh as proposed
um and two can we change this to avoid further taxation to a temporary use uh because they can be moved they're not like a mobile home uh strapped to the ground uh
fastened to a monolithic slab or stem wall so just like a shed they're they're temporary and and I I think we it would be a great decision of us to uh avoid any further taxation make this thing as simple as possible but other than the
ones that I had listed um eliminate all those except for the six or seven that I listed that that that we're good with Danny can you make that in a motion format I gotta repeat that whole thing no I just say I I move for what I said I I see Russ's eyes eyebrows are raised
but I don't know if my eyebrows are raised or the only thing I would say about uh with the property appraiser assessment serve for the tax man is that we don't make those determinations so even if we make a motion today to say not assess it that's ultimately is up to the property appraiser he may have a different determination I just want to
make that clear I think the temporary use word might give us that clearance you're looking for that's my guess I'm not so sure it does no you're not okay I think that's subjective let's look at it if if you guys don't mind yeah I'd ask Pao perhaps to come up
because the building code is what we're talking about amending and I I think the question is can you amend the building code to make a structure indefinitely temporary uh no uh well take that back it's either it sounds like a technical Amendment to the
Florida building code which is very difficult to do um you really need to justify it um so right now these structures are subject you know over 400 square feet they are subject to um a building permit um if they say that it's
a temporary structure then it's can only be there for 180 days after that 180 days it's Code Compliance um so that's not something that that we can change what happens if they move it an inch you see what I'm saying and and
what I'm trying to do is mirror agriculture because on any of these Lots with no minimums agriculture can do it we have a simple form Carol that you had sent over for non-residential buildings I'm trying to see if we can mirror that ultimately and that avoids the taxation
end of it so we we already exempt things like um you know those those temporary pods right because we've got a definition for shipping container um if you're if you don't need that definition we don't subject you to these these Provisions so
if you had one of those uh actual movable you know they're not real shipping containers um but they look like one you know we exempt those these are geared towards the permanent location of accessory structures which
you know as Russ said you know um potentially adds value to the to the property and we don't really have jurisdiction over the property appraiser or the the tax collector on those particular aspects um the building code aspect
is you know if it if requires a building code it's going to require a building code uh a building permit if if it's requires a building permit it's going to require a building permit that's not something that we currently have local jurisdiction over so you know for our zoning end for
owning Provisions you can be as permissive as you want we've done that for agriculture you know you can do it for industrial um I just don't know if we can if we can make a temporary use permanent so how about this as I'm
hearing it there's a correlation between the permit and then the taxation obviously right not not necessarily the property praiser May what happens if we don't charge for a permit we don't need a permit the property appraiser will make May assess structures that don't have a
permit still adds value to the property once again not our jurisdiction not our you know there are separate constitutional entity they will make their own separate determination maybe we can get with them so but Council I'll make this motion um to um eliminate the
proposed language for the flood plane management um stick with the word stable instead of solid as proposed um reduce uh the zone to the RR which is a 1acre minimum and
ra uh with a maximum of two um uh per you know per lot uh cannot be located in vehicular access area um shall not be permitted in habitable shall not be permitted as a habitable
space office Etc cannot be used as a sign must be maintained in good condition with no no damage and good with a screen Bearer if had a business and exempt industrial uh from it and also to
councel I want to see what the property appraiser comes back and say so I'll add this as well not require a permit or a fee to have it but everything else that was proposed on your list get rid of it so you were just to clarify
eliminating the provision that it can't be habitable space or have no no I'm good with that that one you're good with okay just wanted to make sure chairman I'll second it okay we
have the a long motion um by Danny Robbins seconded by Troy Kent and questions uh by councilman Santiago gny did we maintain the uh not allowed and vacant and and unimproved what did we address
that that that doesn't bother me much because I'm just concerned with that scenario that they they gave us if we can maybe thread that needle a little bit better cuz I wouldn't want Prime commercial space to someone be able to dump a container there I don't think
that's what our constituency would like maybe we can narrow that up what your what's your because you know if it's commercial maybe we say commercial is not I don't know commercial is not permitted I mean if it's commercial for
business or or industry yeah yeah make it on Commercial if if you need a uh to make sure that there's a primary business yes are you good with that Joe I like that because if we if we throw out commercial we're throwing out
a lot of what we started that's correct yes I know that's too it's too broad I'm good with that throwing out commercial so Polo did you hear what we said how do we that a function business my recommendation is we we'll take those changes um we'll redraft the ordinance
and we'll bring it back to you rather than you know take I don't want to to uh uh you know misunderstand what the motion is and then we make a change and then you know that's that's kind of set in stone until we find out oh that's not
really what you me so and and void any notice issues because we have to make some changes to The Heading so we need to bring it back um I also want want to point out that you know it's still these permanent structures will still be subject to a Florida building code if applicable still it's still
going to be subject to meeting the flood plane Provisions because that's that's kind of happens to all accessory structures even if you have an ad classification so that's one of the the only things that local governments uh that well that are still applicable even
if you have a a Bonafide agricultural uh classification you need to comply with the flood plane management doesn't mean you poke holes in it but you you may need to raise the structure above the FL plan yes no and and I'm good with I just didn't want to go make this thing so terrible for people uh when we're
supposed to be doing and and Paulo just to follow up real quick can we I want to test the waters here and it's probably a loophole can we not have a a permit for this well you already don't have a permit like the way it's ordinance is
written for certain a uh classifications for everybody except for a we know a already for everybody else I don't want to require a permit or a permit fee we just treat it as a normal accessory structure I don't think it's a standalone permit but no I don't no
permits I don't want any if you don't want permits that that you don't want permits it makes it an easy ordinance to write so so potentially yes uh I think we got direction from our last growth management Workshop to bring back some changes you know for fences and for
sheds to remove permitting um still subject to to some uh you know minimum setbacks minimum Heights what you're doing is you're instead of you know turning it into compliance at the permitting it basically turns it into a code compliance issue so code
enforcement if they see one of these things not that it requires a permit but they see it violating any of the setbacks if it's in you know an easement you know it becomes a Code Enforcement issue rather than a permitting issue and that's why I struck those from that list so as long as we're clear to w this up
eliminate all those except for the six or seven that I had stated thank you okay and Troy can't you with a second yes and good I am so good with that and I think it's a wise move to have um legal bring this back to us and I would
just I would just recommend you know reach out to Mr Robbins and also the comments that Mr Santiago and our chair said um about the commercial as well but that way when it comes back to us which it's cleaned up and we know exactly what
we're rocking and rolling with thank you yeah we have uh we've been working on this for it seems like two years but but Danny I think this these are really good changes to tighten it up and make it apparently what we all envisioned and I
think you're about to get uh Council unanimous agreement well we don't know about Don yet but I just want to make sure when you talked about the uh the flood plane management you said U holes are required and you want no holes which
I think is really important because not only it's going to be a storage unit sometimes for feed and it needs to be rodent proof you have holes in the bottom it's not and I think I think we address that as long as we can keep it to a minimum with that word solid or
excuse me stable definition that we're not going to require people to to create Vents and all this it just defeats the purpose of having one so okay very good uh County attorney Michael Dyer oh County I'm not as handsome I'm a person
by another name just for clarity uh to bring this back to council not to go back through pdrc or you want this to go back to pdrc bring it here perfect bring it here okay all right if everybody understands the uh the motion
um I will call a vote all in favor say I I I any opposed you did get done on the he's not listening to me and the uh item four is approved 7 to
zero with think it's 6 to Zer Mr Johansson was out so we'll ask him to come back in okay all right I'll ask him as soon as he comes back in I it was seven to zero okay that takes us to item
five all right welcome again Carol mcfarling planning and development services director this is a small scale comprehensive plate Amendment from oin transitional residential future Lane use designation to oin mixed use Village
designation here's a location map of the property that we're talking about it is across the street across from State Road 415 from the Super Walmart that's at the corner of Howland Boulevard and State
Road 415 it's a a long property that's just north of the lake that you see there um it has the existing if you're looking at this map the pink part is the um mixed use Village and the yellow part is
the oin transitional residential so this property has two different future land use classifications on it um just to back up th this item is also related to item six um which is the rezoning application that accompanies this future
land use Amendment so if it's okay with you I'll give both presentations in one um so the rezoning that that would accompany this would also cover this this back part the yellow part that you see that kind of touches down to
um kind of looks like the Texas Panhandle actually um so this is a legislative hearing meaning that the council has pretty broad discretion on um you know if you want to approve or deny the rezoning
application um can't happen without the others so if you approve the feature land use Amendment you have to approve the rezoning and if you want to approve the resoning you have to approve the future land use Amendment um right now the property can have a maximum of 77
dwelling units that's a mix of 54 town homes on the mixed use future land use side and uh if I'm doing my math right 23 um single family residential on the
transitional residential side this uh land useage Amendment which again is just for the what was yellow on the screen um if we turn the whole thing into mixed use Village would allow 101 dwelling units um both applicate or both future Lane use um designations allow
for single family residential or duplex the difference is that the mixed use Village would allow town homes so if the property were developed today um at its you know maximum possible use it would generate approximately 572 average daily trips
per day the proposed um Amendment would take it up to 742 average daily trips which is an increase of 170 average daily trips I do want to make it very clear in this presentation because there
was a lot of talk in the um staff report about um what the applicants um end goal is and mentioned 80 Town Homes I want to make it very very clear that this rezoning specifically it's not a plan
unit development they're asking for what we call a straight rezoning which means that there's no site plan that is accompanies the approval so in no way does this approval tie anyone it's not binding to and it does not mean that um
the the 80 unit Town Homes is is what we are approving today um it is within the oin joint planning area there's been a lot of conversation about the oin jpa that's been happening aside um background noise for this
application at the last council meeting council did ask that staff um work to find a workshop in coordination with Deltona um we have found uh we've been working with Deltona staff political staff the the mayor and a council person
and their legal staff and their planning director so um we are looking at workshops we have two potential days April 2nd and April 9th they're both on a Wednesday I'm going to get um through these last couple of points um but I just wanted to let you know that that's
also one of the things that we're going to ask for direction from you on is which of those meetings you prefer the property will have to Annex into the City of Deltona um they've they've made that intention clear um in order to have utilities you have to enter into a
utility agreement and that's usually part of the the agreements that they Annex into the city um so that's that's what'll happen here there was no public participation at the planning and Land Development regulation commission hearing we've gotten quite a few emails I know um
several council members have have been involved in some of those Communications um we received a letter of no objection from Delona on February 28th which was this past Friday um with that I believe the applicant is here if
they have um more specific information for you I believe they have a PowerPoint presentation as well um so with that I am here for question question yes we're talking about item six as well which is okay which is a quasi
judicial hearing so future landan uses legislative and item six is quasi judicial so you'll have to um do your expar communication get there okay um this is obviously from the emails we've all got really important to our
community I was going to ask uh David Santiago and Danny Robbins this is your these are your people this is your backyard you've both been really involved in this community and I wanted to hear from the two of you first so it's interesting that you're the first
up uh for questions so um uh David if you want to go first yeah I just got one uh basic question in the beginning just from a historical perspective you may or may not be able to answer this or there's someone in the room that can as I look at these U the map of can we pull
up the layout with the the pinks there it is the one on the left um which is the current status correct yes and I look at all the other parcels and I see that the color coordination is relative to partial
lines Why is this one not the same way that's a good question and you're right I do not know how to answer that question I don't know if Mark has some sort of um parcel history on that I saw him nod his head that he does okay can we get that question Mr chairman from Mr
Watts or I'll wait whatever you prefer unless Danny has questions for her maybe mine's probably going to be uh uh of Mr Watts after I hear his presentation so I I'll wait Mr chair and after his presentation maybe he can address that thank you okay thank you uh C
Robins you're going to wait okay um you had mentioned that the City of Deltona sent a letter approving was was that from Jordan Smith yes okay yes it was did you ever
planning director yeah did you ever receive uh follow-up letter um changing that yeah so we originally um prior to PDC got a letter of no or a comment of no
objection from Delona staff at some point um they sent an email um that they disagreed or did not want to support the 80 town home units um we Mark watt's staff and uh we had a meeting with
Deltona um planning director and their legal staff and we talked specifically about this is a straight rezoning so nothing that we do here is binding to the 80 Town Homes um concept So based on that conversation they felt a lot more
comfortable with it um they I think they just wanted some clear communication with us that that is not what Our intention is with the rezoning um so after we had that conversation it was followed up with an email of of no objection or a letter of no objection did you hear from the Deltona
DRC I'm sorry did you hear from the Deltona development re review commission no sir okay all right uh y'all are ready for Mark
Watts Danny your name's still up you're good okay attorney Mark Watts good morning uh for the record Mark Watts with the law firm of cob Cole 231 North Woodland Boulevard to land I appreciate the opportunity to be with you this
morning um I've got a couple slides I want to just kind of walk through and then open up for for some of the the questions and I'll answer the ones that have been asked um already in that context so if we can switch over the screen here and let me uh while they're doing
that start out by by saying thank you to uh your staff um you know Trish and and Carol and Pao and the others that have been involved in the review of this as we' worked through the application um this one actually did go through a little bit of variation we started out looking at this as a PUD we ultimately came back and thought that the using the
existing zoning class if ation within the jpa area made the most sense so um as Carol mentioned in her presentation there's two items item five and item six I'll talk about them collectively and then you know kind of get into you know the discussion about them individually as we as we move forward but we do have
a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment request and then the the rezoning to um mixed use Village uh just to to orient you and you saw this also in the in the presentation that staff gave um if you look here on the screen um let me see if I can draw on here
coming down here you've got Howen Boulevard coming in and you've got the Walmart that's right over here across the street the property with the star on it is the um property that we're talking about this morning I can clear it off
there uh and then similar to what Carol just showed you what you see on the left is the existing land use classification so um the LPA the the u local plan area is you know kind of the key colors that you see there pink is that mixed use
Village and I called it chartreuse we won't go with yellow that's probably easier to to say repeatedly but the yellow area is the transitional residential um classification of the land use and what you see on the right is what we're proposing with the land use application in front of you this
morning so um you can kind of see that what we felt is it it it really kind of you know connected the dots um if you will um from the original plan um I know that U there's there's been some discussion we've had some conversations with residents in the area or some of their representatives um about you know
kind of the intent of the original plan but um to Mr Santiago to your question you know we do have one parcel at this point in time that has two classifications I do believe at some point in the past there were multiple Parcels there and so I think that's what led to that division between you know
where you see the pink and where you see that you know yellow yellow color um just to go through you know kind of what's allowed there based on those existing land uses so these are pulled from the jpa document um you know the descriptions of the varying land land
uses so mixed use villages on the left-and side um you know it it um is really intended to to kind of create you know more intensity there along 415 um with uses that include not only residential but non-residential Carol
mentioned that you know there were some concerns that were raised by Deltona one of the requirements under mixed use Village is that 7030 allocation between residential and non-residential use um we got into a discussion as we were going through some of that review conversation about a
particular project but that's not in front of anybody at this point in time um it's not in front of you it's not in front of Deltona it's just that would be the next step in the in the process so whoever is ultimately applying the land uses here would look at compliance with that 7030 mix um as the the project
moves forward or as the whole area develops um transitional residential which is the existing classification on the Eastern 6 acres is outlined on the on the right hand side here um again it's it's intended to transition it it doesn't uh you know allow the the the
non-residential uses but does allow you know single family homes town homes and duplexes also are permitted under that with a maximum density of four units an acre so on the left- hand side again you know the the kind of pink area you've got 48 units an acre of residential four
being a minimum there and then a maximum of four on the current Eastern side so we're looking just to to consolidate that from a land use perspective the other thing that's mentioned in your staff Report with regard to the land use is we do have a small piece of narma um that covers a portion of the property
and you can see in yellow here where the narma and it's the natural resource management overlay uh classification does come up into the property somewhat I copied in here the policies from your conservation element that talk about where narma should be located and how
the bar the bound of narma should be defined and so in the maps that you have in your comp plan were currently were were adopted originally you followed the best available information you looked at your your Wetland inventories you looked at um Topo and G you know uh GIS
information and you drew those lines what we found as we went into this particular property you also have site specific information that is permitted to help Define where those lines are so as we got into the the analysis of the property we actually found that Nora is not in that location um or shouldn't be
in that location um what you see here um we had the the um environmental assessment of the property done right now the Nora area looking back to that other map kind of comes up into here and covers you know what is now a storm
water Pond there um that's not if you look at the the the data that's in your materials with regard to the environmental assessment of the property that's not where the key environmental features on the property are and instead what you see in the green on the aerial here is what we ultimately end up
mapping that's the Wetland lines plus the 50ft buffer that you require under your code for narma that's where you know the lines ought to be drawn so we're asking to shift them from where they are now to where you see them here now you've got Provisions under your comp plan that typically if you have
kind of a mapping issue like this and and you've got the ability to have staff work and administratively shift that that doesn't apply to narma and so narma has to come to you to have 660 foot shift that's allowed otherwise by your comp plan you have you can't do that administratively you know with Nora has
to come through the council so that's another part of the the overall application for the comp plan Amendment you'll see at the bottom of the memo from your environmental staff um they support that change because it reflects where the actual environmental features are on the property on the rezoning um we're just
again looking to to stay consistent what you see on the left is the mix um the county adopt a specific zoning classification for each land use classification in the jpa area um Deltona actually um I don't believe has done the same thing they treat it more through the plan development process as
properties move into to um the city so um you have site you have specific land or zoning classifications that correspond to your land use so you've got oost mixed uh Village zoning that's the omv the pink that you see on the left and you've got otr1 which is the
zoning classification that corresponds to trans transitional residential um again you can kind of see the line that I kind of dashed in there that shows kind of where we're trying to kind of connect the dots and and sort of fill those uses in um on the on the Eastern portion of the
property this is the the breakdown of what those current zoning classifications permit so again under oin U mixed use Village um you've got that mix of uses um you allow for you know non-residential multif family Town
Homes um you know kind of within that zoning classification and then to the east um four units an acre um you know on the on the maximum density for otr1 you actually break OTR into two separate classifications otr1 and otr2 otr2 is
only one unit breaker with the ultimate density it's under the clock there so you can't really see it on the screen in front of you but it's one unit breaker I think is the density under there you go uh under otr2 so I'm going to stop there and see if you have any um questions before I I
get into any further discussion I'm sorry that was about five and six so the presentation on item six started there um with the rezoning summary so I'll pause there and see if there's any questions here that part sorry okay uh do have questions we'll
start with councilman Robbins uh thank you chair real quick uh Mr Watts uh just for a point of clarification um does the the jpa state that every property has to have a 7030 residential and non-residential
split or is that 7030 for the entire jpa in in po Ste it's um it doesn't specifically say in very clear language um what you have in if you look in this mixed use Village um definition here there is one clause in there that says
where possible commercial and residential development should be combined into single buildings or otherwise mixed um the way that that has been applied I think I'm aware of two projects that have come through the county um I think the county is looking at 7030 and this is consistent with a
number of jurisdictions that have mixed use classifications the county looks at it as within the 250 Acres that were originally designated as mixed use um village in the jpa that there has to be a 7030 mix of of non-residential and res
residential um that was I think where part of the question came in from the the City of Deltona right um how that would be applied but that's really kind of next step and and uh Mark I saw you had some data there for max four units
per acre does that maximum of four does that include um the uh even when you take away the storm water was at 19 20 21% of the overall land and then does that include the Wetland buffers or vegetation buffers how far does it bring that four down what's what's our actual
number so you would be adjusted for wetland areas I think your storm water ponds and everything else would would continue to count towards that overall acreage but the Wetland areas do not have that same density so any area that you have that are classified as Wetland or the Wetland Upland buffer areas it's
one unit per 10 acres for those areas so that's netted out so if you look at if you do the math math straight right now and you said you know okay we we have about I think it's about two or 0.27 Acres of wetlands on this overall site if you do the straight math you know the
existing entitlements um you have you know almost s Acres of of OST mixed use Village about 6.01 Acres of the transitional residential your staff report says that equ equates to 77 units if you do you know eight and four times
those acreages you actually get to 79 units the reason it's reduced is because of that Wetland acreage thank you um and also just lastly uh for now what kind of wetland predi uh protections um I know we don't have a
site plan yet per se but what would you be able to do there uh to protect those identified wetlands and and would some of our I don't know if you've tuned into last couple meetings but um would you have the leeway to put uh any storm
water in the center of the community instead of so what we have so first first question with regard to the um Wetland protections what you see in the green shading here not only is the Wetland area it's also the Upland buffer and so on your your code generally requires
particularly in the narma um classification that when you have a wetland line um you go you have a 50ft Upland buffer which is more than what The Water Management District you know their their standard is 25 so this actually shows the protection of not only the Wetland with zero impacts on
the Wetland but also the Upland buffer line now we do have you'll see just kind of a little shading area here I'll just point it out I don't know if you can see that there is a this was a nursery um historically and so there was a you know kind of like a farm Pond that was dug there that I think ultimately will be
impacted by something um you know as as development moves forward with the site with regard to storm water we have not fully designed the site at this point in time what I have seen with regard to concept plans um you know it is kind of a narrow piece of land but we have the
storm water area that's kind of up in here uh and then in kind of part of this area yeah there you go there you go that shows up better so there and there is where we currently show it but again it's not designed so I think we do have some flexibility to
look at what makes the most sense as we move forward and just thank you U Mr Watson and just lastly depending on the council um Direction um they choose to go a couple meetings ago we had uh talked about in Council comments to have
a community outreach um session uh to uh give our time or give time to staff to prepare prepare kind of a history on the jpa and a steam but also to give the residents an opportunity to uh get that information know exactly you know create
a baseline know exactly what we're dealing with so we get off on the right foot but also to have Deltona at the table as well and I don't think that's been done in a long time in the event I make that motion would would you and or your client be able to give us a
um 30 or 60 days and also two to participate uh in that community meeting if if if you can yeah I I um listened to the discussion where the the workshop concept uh was talked about a meeting or two ago um I think that's good I mean this is a jpa that's been in place for
16 or 17 years at this point in time um you under our old growth management laws you had to go back and look at your comp plan every eight years fully to you know kind of go through and look at whether or not there were needs for updates or or just to educate people that weren't here then on what it was so the simple answer is yes you know if you'd like for
us to you know participate our client the owners of the property um have ties to the oine community they think that's important so um if the council's determination is you know we'd like to kind of have that Workshop in April and then come back we're happy to do that as well thanks and and I think that just to
to end it uh set us up for maybe a better compromise or or dialogue I just don't want to break that communication with with everybody so agreed and we we've actually met with uh some of the leadership from the I think it's the oine um preservation and planning Society um we have Comm committed to you
know having further discussions with them as we move forward as well so that may offer that opportunity uh to occur before councilman Santiago thank you Mr chair um I like that idea Danny and I think maybe we can save uh bring a lot of clarity and maybe save some heartburn
for some people I don't know if we're can do it for everybody but some at least um but I want to ask a question from the the current status uh I know this particular agenda item before is not specific to town homes right and then I was looking at go
go back to the other screen we talked about permissible uses on the zoning or on the land use yeah the zoning that one so let's say I own well I don't want to say that some people have fun someone own that the owner of this
property wants to build town homes and I'm the I'm thinking theoretically right now sure on both these parcels and leave it exactly the way it is and not request any zoning changes what can I build so right now um when
the land use was adopted so that transitional residential land use allows um single family uh town home uh duplexes or town homes in the zoning classification what what staff brought forward to you and and what the council a prior Council adopted allows single
family modular or duplexes by right under that current zoning so on that six acres that we're talking about the amendment applying to you could at the maximum four units an acre get to 24 can I pause you for duplexes can I pause you for a second I just want to make sure the land use
conflicts with the zoning what you often times see that your land use has more uses than your zoning necessarily does the intent I believe and this is going back a few years this is probably 15 years ago that the zoning classifications were adopted
the intent at that time was that you had additional entitlements you could do town homes under the land use so if you go back to you know single family uh individual homes are principal or will be the Principal use however town home and duplex formats may be allowed
because maybe allowed is part of that code staff I think at the time when they brought forward the zoning classification said well we're going to put duplexes in there by right but if you want to do Town Homes you have to do a PUD and so I think from the beginning there was contemplation that if you wanted to access all of the rights under
you know that transitional residential classification you had to come back do it through a PUD so that you could then see how you're doing it um so I think that's why it's not necessarily a conflict it's just you have to unlock it by other means the users that are under that land use can I know I still have
that underlying question on there but I because I want to follow along with you if I can pause you again for one second um Mr chair can I ask Paulo a question yes apparently so procedurally speaking um what he described I won't use used the word
conflict but lack of a better one it seems like conflict and it says the word allow right may excuse me may um and then I think Mr Watts mentioned that staff said that well we we think you should do it as a PE where is that spelled out and how is that guided in
any way to come to that interpretation it's uh it's you know appc the going to speak for staff so so you know staff looks at the applicant's proposal from a pre-application looks at what they want to do and kind of provides them options
for this um there were two options you know you can you can change the land use and do a straight zoning um in which case that unlocks you know town homes by right in the zoning uh you potentially
leave the land use Alone um and I think you can do Town Homes as a special exception in TR um but that's that's that's another process so so as as Mark stated you know you unlock those uses not by right but through another process
either through a PUD or some kind of special exception process um the issue with that is you have that zoning boundary in the middle which you have to deal with so you you measure setbacks from it you treat it as two separate things so it it kind of breaks
continuity breaks flow of a development um because you're you're you're trying to treat two separate parcels that you know are not supposed to intermingle and you're trying to intermingle them so that's hence staff recommended probably
the best way to do this is through a PUD but you could get there in an awkward way through other means it's just a PUD would require a hearing either also same similar same do same conversation right basically thank you for that and now if you can continue what could I build today well well and let me just point out one of the other things to the
extent there was something that we kind of looked at the the straight zoning that's in in existence now and said I'm not sure you can accomplish what's permitted with the standards that are in straight zoning so if you think about a town home or a duplex lot so you've got
duplexes under the existing zoning that are permitted by W you have either PUD or or special exception to get to um Town Homes but you've got this standard and if you know kind of what how a typical town home is established
or even a duplex you know you have a smaller lot that's associated with them so under that existing Zone the the lot um you know the minimum lot size kind of creates a conflict with you know the ability to implement either a duplex or a town home lot so that was one of the
other things that I think led us to the straight zoning in our conversations with with with staff so what can I build today that's it so okay but let me go back to my question mark I want to make sure I establish this the front parcel let's just say the front parcel let's deal
with each one at a time I want to put Town Homes there under what I have available today how many town homes can I put down uh I believe if I remember correctly on just doing the quick math on it I think we could get something like 55 units if I remember correctly on
that front parcel by straight up zoning uh that's just filing a subdivision plan gotcha to many or site plan depending on what's In the Mix and then on the back piece I just lack of a better term if I wanted to put duplexes out there permitted by right right how many duplexes can I put there uh you could
theoretically if you could engineer at all you've got 24 for 79 total correct if you if you just did two different projects you could do 79 unit 79 units correct 79 residences right now there may be some adjustment as I mentioned you know we have Wetland
acreage so you made 77 I think is the max that's that's currently calculated okay okay that's all I have for now thank you thank you Mr chair on I wasn't going to ask this but to follow up on on him and if you go back to that slide you were just on on the the front part
you're talking about the pink part yes yes okay the purple if you if you had the town houses there he just referenced um how much commercial would you have there it depends so there there's a little bit of and this is where I think
it's how much is required is there a requirement well yes yes there is it's a question on who who's interpreting it um and that's where some of the the the I think disconnect has been between the city and the county a little bit because and I think that's why the coordination you know you know that that's being suggested through the workshops is is
good and important um you have approved I think that the two projects that I'm aware of that that have been approved in the mixed use in that pink area have been 100% commercial so the feed store you know the feed store that's kind of I think it's right here um that um is 100%
commercial use now I think they own some additional property you know to the east but that site plan came in and was approved as 100% commercial and I think it's right here somewhere uh that is the car wash that's going in so that's again 100% commercial use that's been approved
so for example um the way that you have when you adopted the jpa it says there's 250 acres in the um you know mixed use Village classification and there should be a 7030 allocation of residential to
non-residential within that classification the county has implemented that as a within 250 Acres there needs to be 7030 what the city has has raised as a question is you know they're looking at it as each parcel has
to have a 7030 mix which on a larger parcel is fine um it becomes more difficult if you're if you own an acre uh and you now are required or you own two acres in existing parcel here and you have to do a 7030 you know mix it becomes a little bit more difficult to
implement on those smaller Parcels so I think that's a conversation that really needs to be sused out um as we move forward you know kind of with the workshop and with you know some of the discussions going forward I'll give you an analogy um just looking at a different jurisdiction um orange city um
basically everything on the east side of Orange City from VMP kind of both sides of Veterans Memorial Parkway to the interstate is an MX classification both their land use and Zoning for that area is mixed use and they have a table that is basically here's the maximum amount
of residential and non-residential and Industrial uses that are permitted in that MX classification and it's viewed areawide and so they maintain a spreadsheet that says this is what's been approved with each project coming forward and they deduct from that ledger if you will of the residential
non-residential and Industrial uses that are moving forward within that broad classification so I think that's an interpretation you know issue that the city and the county probably need to to be on the same page on moving forward and I know that your staff has has suggested that tracking mechanism as
well yeah I would say we need to we need to clarify that can you go back to the map where you showed um uh the Wetland and the Wetland buffer right there is there any part of that uh of these two
Parcels that are in flood zone a there is some flood zone um and I'm just going to Ballpark it B based on memory of the the exhibit I think there's some right up in this area um that's my recollection of where there's and I
certainly down here um there's additional flood zone that's along along the lakefront there um that's going into that Wetland preservation and and Upland buffer area so part of it is there where you're going to build correct you'd like to build town houses uh correct um and really the way that if I remember how
the map is set up it it kind of goes across the width of the property uh more or less there so um in order to access the back portion of the property you you you're really going to have to have some impact but again you've got the requirements in place for how to handle that and how to approach it and we'll
have to provide updated we're not at the site plan correct Point yet but you've got a lot of experience in this if that's uh flood zone a do you anticipate bringing in a a great deal of
fill to make it buildable it would be really speculation at this point in time I I anticipate yes I mean I think that's probably a reasonable assumption um to get to but I don't know until we get into the engineering of it and we have somebody with a PE behind their name instead of an Esq so I understand okay
thank you uh councilman Robbins thank you chair just a couple follow-up questions mark in your professional opinion uh one procedure versus the next you know you had one where I I believe you said uh one doesn't require a site plan or would did I hear that
correctly on the versus like a PUD I'm trying to figure out which one would be most beneficial to the community so I think that some of what I've heard in the past couple weeks just as as we've heard some comments from the community and everything is that you know sort of nothing in the jpa is
supposed to be changed well either rezoning or a PUD will be a change I think that's kind of the first thing that we have to understand um you know I think that that oftentimes you'll hear from um you know I think the the community or or
members that are sitting on a council well we like a PUD because we know this is exactly what we're getting um and you know again we started out kind of going down that route with regard to this project and then in working through staff we thought let's keep this consistent within the jpa rather than
introducing a PUD into it and let's stay with the jpa classifications okay and lastly uh before I make a motion um in your professional opinion is there a way that you would recommend to clean up some of this language I heard several
times interpretation just for security for for our community uh down there m um and so we know the expectations so everybody so we don't run into this in the future kind of a guessing game uh where ultimately just points fingers you
know how can we avoid that in the future yeah I think you have an opportunity to do it in this Workshop series um in particular with the city and the county staff assuming the city authorizes you know the kind of participation in the workshops as well I think that that
having sort of a an understanding of common interp a between the city and county staffs would be helpful here um we've done stuff like that in other places um when we broke apart the areawide drri around the 472 interchange each Community kind of took pieces now there they put those things into their
comp plans this number of trips went to Dand this number of trips went to the county this number went to Deltona here's how the interpretations will be made I don't think you necessarily need to go that far as long as the staffs are jointly working from a common set of interpretation as long as we
can clean that up so we all know our expectations kind of our marching orders going for I don't I don't want there to be any um confusion yeah I I think one of the positives that's come out of this discussion you know and and some of the interaction you know back and forth you
know so Carol alluded to the fact and Mr chairman you raised the question you know did Deltona have a concern at one point in time and you know I think in December we had a an email confirming they had no objection in early February they came in with an objection based on that 7030 split discussion and then last
last week they came back and said okay now that we have a mutual understanding we have no objection to the zoning change so two out of three times they've said they have no objection to the to the uh zoning change here or the land use change but um I think that you know what that has resulted in is that those
issues of of the need for common interpretation to be sused out and I think we've got the opportunity to do that now excellent chair I'd like to make a motion um I think it'd be wise for us to to hold this community meeting get the uh the applicant uh on board uh
paired up uh with the community sure and uh do an educational and community outreach that way all of our expectation everything's late on the table uh with us in the U City of Deltona agreed is a motion to table it is that what it is that's what it has to be to table until
the community meeting and 60 days maybe as a Time certain to get past the community meeting if that's the case I'll second that I think it's a good move okay so to table this until we have the community meeting to hash out some
of these differences in in May um hopefully that gives the public time to prepare a motion by Robbins and it was seconded by David Santiago got a staff question chair yes
ma' we can um continue to a a date certain then we don't have to read advertise okay May 6 or May 20 and and I'm I'm good with that um which one six or 20 six is my birthday it may be a good day uh it's
also Ben it's Ben Bartley's birthday too it yeah it is what whatever's whatever good whatever's good for the the council I just want to make sure we have a meeting maybe down there at the oin Civic Center um be good I my my preference would be to hold it
the second meeting in may just to give the community more time to prepare and I mean they're they've been on this um I'll I'll defer seconda okay I think that'd be fine and and I know you you are looking at April 2nd or April 9th um for you
know the the workshop um so that I think will give us time to you know have the workshop we're going to have some separate meetings I think outside of that as well with some of the groups we've talked to and then you know be able to come back on that second meeting in May were talking about the workshop in May uh April 2nd or 9th I think were
the dates that I heard right the options are April 2nd or April 9th and I did want to let you know that um Tina Swift from the oin preservation and planning Society requested April n n April 9 okay I'll go to April 2nd then since Tina
asked for joke if that's good with the community hey Mr chairman if I could um if just for guidance for us and staff can can someone describe what this is going to look at like and and reason I
put that I want to make sure you know we're political bodies up here right we're elected we're represent I don't want to turn this into a political football I want a genuine conversation with what's happening there what's the current
status is there a vision from the community what's delton's vision and collectively come up with some suggestions because at the end of the day we have to make those decisions I just I don't want any of us influencing that process that's my
request Let It Go organic if all of us can agree to that yeah make sure organic I listen I bought my first chicken at tin this past weekend so I got organic
chickens so I like using that organic word thank I heard it was by the it was accepted by the flock yes she's doing good by the way that's the update you bought a chicken well my daughter has chicken so I kind of that's my chicken to add to the to her flock was it a Rhode Island red I don't know what it
was but it was a pretty bird we're going to be buying some chicken for the ma Farms okay so if if I can um you can we app we like the the fdot model of of work shopping which is as David's explaining very open um anybody can
comment anyone can you know talk to staff write on maps leave comment cards um so what we use is again the fdot model uh where you know we're going to very clearly go over what some of the history of oin is what happened in 2008
with the joint planning agreement what happened in 2012 which was the resoning for the whole Pro uh of the oin jpa and we're going to specifically talk about exactly what developments have happened since 2012 and then we'll will end with a a
visioning um like like David was outlining very open-ended discussion with people who live there Delona staff are are obviously very much um invited to it we anticipate to have some back and forth um so uh yeah that's that's
what we're looking at where is the workshop location oine Elementary School okay is that good with you David sounds good to 15 elementary school okay okay thanks for that clarification the Deans there in case somebody gets out of control discipline
I agree Don will be there okay and uh and then back to council May 20th 20th or 22 20 yeah okay okay before we vote on that we've had some people that took time off work
to I think we should give them a a chance to speak I'll call your name come down uh tell us where you're from in in oin you don't have to give your exact address if you don't want to for safety reasons and um uh you'll have three
minutes if you can do it in less do it and less but we we do want to hear from you first we have Amanda Carl nobody wants to be first but shake and bake what if we don't get there we're not going to get there good morning I'll
keep this brief because we'll cover a lot of this I think in the workshop when we have that next month uh thank you for your time Amanda Carl 525 tab at the drive oin and I want to discuss a couple things one the 7030 issue um I think one of the things we really need to figure out is how that is going to be applied
and give people some clear guidance if we're applying this even though it's not specified across the entire 200 plus acres first of all that's not precedent in Florida usually each parcel has has to satisfy those zoning requirements not across all of the property and you're
affecting the entitlements and the rights of other people who develop later how is that fair that they don't get everything that they have anticipated and expected um and I want to clarify for the record I am an attorney I represent Agricultural and Rural interest here in the State of Florida the next issue I want to quickly cover
is the Wetland issue so the nma was very intentionally put into place and I want to read a couple of sections that I uh copied here from our County ordinance say regarding the Nora it is intended that that the development of land within the Natural Resource Management areas does not adversely impact the quality
and quantity of the existing resources development activities within the Nora are intended to be more restricted than for the same activities following outside the Norma and that's intentional by the way and as required by subsection 7255 I an environmental impact
assessment report is required for proposed developments within the Nora so if we can allow a developer to come in and unilaterally with his or her own environmental report suggests changing the line and we don't do a little more digging into that we are negatively impacting the quality of a lot of our
lands here in this County and affecting all of the residents not just nearby and surrounding Parcels but in oin it affects it affects all of us I live over on Mud Lake which is connected to the St John's river and when other Parcels in oin have flooded the last few years where they have never historically
flooded that all flows over the part of the river that then comes to lemon Bluff boat ramp it crosses over oh excuse me over lemon Bluff and then it comes into Mud Lake so we're getting it two ways we're getting it from the main channel of the river where Snake Creek comes into Mud Lake and we're getting it across lemon Bluff from all the
properties over near where this property is they eventually drain over into the river and come across lemon Bluff so we're affecting large areas not just the neighboring properties and flooding all of those neighboring properties and the properties that are that are far apart from them when we are impacting these
Wetlands flood Plaines so we need to take a closer look at some of these uh environmental impacts I will leave it at that because we will discuss more of this at our Workshop thank you all for your time thank you very much uh Amanda before you leave come back to the
microphone and I'm I'll just make this announcement once for everybody it the the recommended motion is to table this if that passes item six won't be uh we won't be discussing it you have signed
up to speak for both items I'm good now you're good to go I'm good thank you and we have several other people that have signed up for for both Sue uh Burke so when when I call you up if you could just do both at once because you're you
may not get an option for six so you're good thank you thank you okay Rosemary Warner uh good morning I thank you for listening to all of us um I come from a different perspective than a lot of the
people here because I'm neighboring property with this um acreage that's in question here um we started our farm had 30 acres and bought 20 more um we have uh 37 that we still own there and we are
sharing the lake with the new owners and we also share a boundary we sold the land about four years ago with the understanding that the county gave them uh 40 homes that they could put in with a retention Pond that would keep us buffered from anything that they were
getting ready to do on the land because we still have like I said 37 acres and we want to make sure that we can keep our life the way it is with all the change that's happening around um we we shareed you know 25 to 30% of lake ulalia and back when we were
in super busy um the University of Florida came out and did an environmental impact survey for us in the mid 90s they talked about um uh preserving the Gopher Turtles The Scrub Jays and the rare plants that are growing on the
property as of today I yet to see plans for a retention Pond which I know is needed and I have yet to see their Green Space plan we went from 40 homes to 80 homes and there's going to be there's going to be pollution there's going to
be night light pollution noise pollution Watershed off of all that concrete and pavement that will go right into my Lake now our house sits on that lake so what happens you know what happens to me when the water comes all the way up to my house who do I hold accountable for that
and there is going to be runoff um into that Lake and it has three Springs on that lake so all I'm asking you guys to do is develop this responsibly I've seen a lot of development going on over in Deltona and it's flooded roads it's wreak havoc
after hurricanes I just want you to do something good for the oosting community thank you very much thank you for your comments uh tiny Swift Tina Swift lemon Bluff Road oin ladies and gentlemen in the audience please stand or raise your hand if you are here
supporting osin critical issues exist with this project due to their extreme disregard for the jpa council must deny the application based on the following County staff's interpretation of the 7030 split is not in alignment with the jpa the jpa does not contain language supporting staff's interpretation and
staff has been unable to cite documentation supporting it equality in how the jpa guidelines are applied across applicants over the last several years should be the same however there are two active commercial projects inside the jpa and neither were given the same direction similarly a female
oting resident this year tried to take a similar action with her land and the county told her no that because she lived in the jpa she could not take similar action on her property County staff advising one land owner differently from another both of whom sit inside the JP is concerning at best
for those who debate the intent of the jpa I refer you to County Council decision November 2020 which denied the applicant's attempt for a similar comp plan amendment to individual Parcels inside the jpa the council your predecessors operating under the same
jpa language recognize the purpose of the jpa is to avoid parcel by- parcel amendments your own governing body made that decision less than 5 years ago set that precedent and for that reason Council must deny this application today today this is one parcel however just a
few years ago this was two Parcels at some point those Parcels with intentionally different land use classifications were combined into one Ops questions the validity of allowing two Parcels with different land use classifications to be combined and not resolved the flu issue at that time
there is a dangerous precedent being attempted with this application if Council believes all land owners must be treated equally then any land owner in the future who wishes to combine a high density with a lower density parcel would be granted the same rights as this applicant to apply the ultra high density zoning
to the entire parcel this would systematically allow the high density flu to overtake the lower density Fus effectively bulldozing over transitional zones this is why the jpa painstakingly applied flu parcel by parcel if this land owner simply desires to have a single common land use and Zoning
applied to their parcel the community would agree today right now to allow them to Res rezone the entire parcel as transitional residential what's good for the goose or the chicken is good for the ER the statement that nothing's happening in oting couldn't be more false we have an awesome feed store and
we're getting a car wash there was little to no push back from the oting community for those projects that's not because we didn't know about it we know everything about our town those are examples of positive and welcome development they offer amenities Our Town desperately needs and as you all have seen when development is done right
when it's done for the benefit of the community and not for someone's checkbook everyone in that Community rallies behind that business because it's the right thing to do I implore you do the right thing today and partner with us moving forward thank you thank you Emily
Bush I didn't see you sitting back there uh good morning Council chamber um my name is Emily Bush I am a certified planner I've been practicing planning for the last 10 years um and this case was brought before me by the oin preservation Society because of the questions really over the 7030 land use
split um in my experience those entitlement requirements are really parcel specific when you lay that over um in an overlay usually that's how that's done um you take stock of what properties are within the 70% residential and that 30%
commercial but if you allow these entitlements to change then you're essentially changing the scope and the measure of that overlay and of those future land use of those properties as Amanda stated that changes the entitlements for these property private owners and then then they don't know
what they can develop as they don't have a clear understanding of what is 70 70% residential and what is 30% res um commercial in addition I do want to comment and I did not send this to you in my community my feedback in my email
um but the national resources management area provided very little documentation as to why that adjustment needed to be made I consulted with St John's Water Management District along with several conserv conservation experts that have indicated that a 50 OT buffer is not
necessary does not actually protect the water and the percolation that's required for storm water to naturally go back into our aquafer often times what we find in that 50ft buffer is that residents take it upon themselves to clear it so that they can see the water
and that actually does a disservice to the natural water filtration that is required within that 50ft buffer I've seen it time and time again in the communities that I've served in Orange and seminal County and I implore you that as a part of your flood management strategies that you are looking into
that you look into to creating a larger buffer zone that would require a resident to not be able to one clear that land and hold those residents accountable and have more enforcement um and secondly really look at what the requirement is for percolation into our
Florida aquafer um my property where I currently reside um has a man-made Canal that drains the Southern Lake Southern Teresa BAS um and I am on Lake bethl um in past hurricanes and even significant rain events I've seen where the water lines
have surpassed the drainage easement um and I am concerned that if we continue to develop Without Really concerted efforts to manage flood management and storm water management that we're going to continue to see exasperated results in other people's properties being taken
um by temporary uses of water management that was not necessarily deemed as appropriate for these private property owners owner so I please thank you for um requesting the tabling of this um and we look forward to being a part of the community visioning uh that will take place in the next month yes Mr chairman
I know it's not protocol but I I want to because of her expertise I just want to put something if I could in her ear and you don't have to answer this now you don't have to answer this now unless you wish um but in the in the 7030 uh commentary that you made how would you find if assuming that your
interpretation is is is correct how would you solve the situation in some of these smaller Parcels right um you know just go south of the lake you have some smaller really rectangular piece that might be independently owned by someone if I've understood your interpretation
right that person that went only owns that slither would have to put 30% commercial which we know would never happen because it wouldn't be feasible so I think I'll just say this and then you can do whatever I think there there that's why I think this commity meeting
is probably good between all the parties to really clean up that vision and understand it because I'm not an engineer or planner I just don't see 7030 working on that parcel so there are something called a live work unit so where you would allow someone to operate a business and still live there and I
would imagine that that would meet the attent of the 7030 split which a lot of the residents in oin do operate businesses and live at those communities when I've planned and managed mixed fused areas in the past we did have have a minimum acreage requirement for the
Mixed use component so we would say the the property has to have a minimum of two and a half three acres five at the most just depending on the size of the city and the community that you're working for but there are certain stipulations that you can add in that provide that Clarity to the residents to know what their private property rights
are and then allowing the live work units to justify for those smaller um those smaller Parcels because it's the intent in the mixed use Village both in the future land use and again across the jpa and the zoning that it's intended for a mixed use purpose and the staff I
asked the question to staff what where's the 30% and they said it was the Super Walmart across the street now as a certified planner I have never heard that a super Walmart meets the intent of a mixed use Village and I'm really dis I'm really concerned that staff is considering that to be a part of a mixed
use Village and I would just hope and implore that our conversations with the community and the additional meetings that we will have will truly determine what that Vision that the community wants both the city of Delona want that commercial area correct so does ostein
but they want something that works for both favors and I think that additional entitlements additional policy language can get us there very clearly thank you absolutely thank you uh Sue Burks you have signed up for uh five and six so
make it good thank you uh for all of this and I'm subber I live in cooba States and O and I'm only going to refer to five um first of all like to say I think everybody you you all on there are um elected
officials and you all take an oath to uphold um the laws of the county and the government and the state and all that stuff so I just would like you to when you do vote on this when we does come to table that
you use um your best judgment and uh for the community all involved um for the residents the habitats and everything involved in this um project along with other ones as
well and um I like to just say why don't we just keep it all Agricultural and we'll save everybody a lot of time and effort heartburn and everything else because that's what I would like it to be but I also would like to say that
um this is all in God's hands and I hope that God does lay his hand on you on every single one of you and us our community that the right thing is done for everyone involved thank you thank
you Elizabeth Chavez Elizabeth Chavez uh Deltona so I was um asked to come and speak sometimes I come to the my city meetings as well to speak um I'm in Delona um and everybody has said a lot of stuff if I I reiterate stuff please forgive me and it's my
first time speaking here today so just interrupt me and let me know you know if I don't have to mention that well well I'm Puerto Rican I'm from New York just don't interrupt me just say you know my name um but um thank you for all you guys what you do um for the county and
how you are thinking about um other lands that are to conserve them so for me in the University um that they were talking about they excuse me they also found snakes that are very unique and rare um and I don't know if they're venomous or not but um when you do this
you know that you're taking these animals out of their habitat so how will you do that so uh how will you successfully uh confine them and if there is an anecdote for that where is it in Texas and how soon can they get it
to us if a child gets B right so lawfully um investment lawful investment excuse me I'm a little bit nervous okay so small scale comprehensive plan mment of O transitional residential to O mixed use
Village um resoning of otr1 to the omv Village uh z241 0 goal is to support solution oriented culture um GPA regulations are being violated here this is a reation East the 415 near 8th Avenue um this is to increase or I
should say to decrease um the density because I I'm only hearing higher density so or have low density reasonable development standards so the workshops that you guys are talking about are gra so will you keep in mind otherwise um that atin
local plan will you not rezone Parcels within the PA not to be resed because then you are not taking away from the intent of the plan adopted in 2009 because it's documented documented as not allowable inside GPA does this dismantle the GPA by zoning partiel by
parcel um will this if approved not open the door to lawsuits by treating one parcel owner differently than another ignoring conditions set by joint planning agreement anouncing local plan in 2008 you must be consistent with what was established agreed upon in 201 20
which I think they mentioned the month and um and of course you know all the animals that are in there um are you interpreting correctly or incorrectly um and that's about it thank you very much for your comments
uh Terry Louise and you have signed up for five and six so good morning gentlemen I'm Terry Louise I live off of Doyle Road and I am on agricultural property I am directly related to a lot of things
that go on in Ting and part of the oin preservation Society so I I have a lot of involvement I look forward to and thank you Danny for requesting us having a meeting for the community because that's what it's going to take to get all of us involved
we appreciate it and we appreciate what you gentlemen all do to help us leave at some of the concerns that are going on in our community uh I'm going to talk a little differently I'm definitely concerned about school systems right now if you
look at the schools uh ostan Elementary was flooded for how many six to eight weeks uh where we couldn't even get into it my kids don't go there any longer but it does still matter I have a high school student that takes over an hour to go three miles to get to school and
there are students sitting on the floor of the bus in order to get to pin Ridge High School I have a Heritage Middle School student that is in a classroom that averages 40 students he sits on one side of the room the teacher has a
second laboratory on the other side and she goes in between the two rooms to teach between the two because there're students on both sides yes it's not your English or your math class but it's still a class where we have our students with over 40 students in a class classroom how is
instruction really going well looking forward to seeing what the public school systems are looking at in increasing our numbers because just shifting them to go over to Galaxy is not the way to fix it because we have kids that used to go to oin that are now
going to Galaxy instead of Heritage which is much farther away than the uh Heritage School System my other concern is ingress and egress to this Pro property the only direction that you're able to go is to the north on 415 and you cannot go south nor can you
turn uh u-turn at Howland in order to go south so how are we going to deal with the approximately 500 additional trips per day and allow for that situation the amount of infrastructure roadwise we need to work on in our area whether you
consider it doy Road Enterprise oin 415 Reed Ellis all of us are having issues already the accidents that we're having are deadly at this point the speeds that we're seeing on doy Road are
excessive and we're asking for help and you guys can help do that as well my other concern is light pollution uh I bought where I bought because I could see the stars I can't see our Stars very well anymore so if there are some sort of
zoning ordinances that we can help along the way we might look at I have a little more time right just a minute um if we look at Flagstaff Arizona for light ordinances it would be amazing thank you thank you wasn't that
wasn't too bad you only took 10 seconds of item six so Lou Louise ham hi I'm Louise H um I live at two40 Smith Road in oin um I just I'm going to go ahead and
read what I had sent in in my letter um good morning to everyone here I'm coming basically from just a homeowner's point of view um you're going to hear a lot of all the jpa and all the specifics but I
just wanted you to understand where I'm coming from my husband and I moved to OC nearly eight years ago to get away from all the developments that were going going on in the Golden Rod Simo County area now a developer wants to put 80 Town Homes within eight miles from where we
currently live we are opposed to this project unless the developer follows the jpa regulations and oin local plan traffic is already a problem on 4:15 when attempting to turn either North or or south from mtown Ocean Road the bellroad road where it comes out along
with increasing traffic there sure to be impacts to Local Schools every development added also leads to more misplaced or even killed Wildlife seeing the wildlife out here is another reason we chose to live in oin what about the Wetland areas within the subject
property will the existing native soils be replaced with non-native soils that had been proven not to percolate rainwater properly this was to even more flood water run off to bordering properties building at a higher elevation has also proven to cause
flooding issues on boarding properties at lower elevations the proposed driveway will be located almost across from the side entrance driveway to Walmart how will the traffic be handled in that area what about safety issues with the higher traffic traveling in that area there's
lots of speeding and there's u-turns that will need to be done allowing the zoning change with set a precedent making it easier for others to follow therefore going against the original intent of the jpa regulations I'm sure many of you have been sent a
list of those regulations based on the jpa agreement please take time to familiarize yourself with the jpa and its original intent travel to sim Orange County and ask yourself if you really want vucha to become the same traffic and overdevelopment Nightmare we are
really going to leave the same to our future generation is Lu County not worth taking a second second look or two to make sure these decisions are made for the betterment of all the residents and not just changing existing rules and regulations to appease a developer we don't need development spraw everywhere
in vucha County especially not in our oin sensitive um land areas my husband I are not against all development but it should be done with respect and regulations that are in place the development of the property should follow the original jpa agreement that was put in place please don't be so
quick to change these agreements and go against the will of most of the people you serve please don't being swayed by other board members just because you want to go again you don't want to go against the group I've been on a board before and I've seen this happen way too often do the right thing listen to what the people are saying they are pleading
for to listen to them we have families that live here and what you just like can have an effect on our lives thank you so much thank you for your comments uh Amanda Bryant you are signed up for uh both
items So In fairness with what's happening you have 3 minutes and 5 Seconds okay thank you well as a resident of tin I'm requesting that the town homes be denied the zoning change needed to make the town homes happen to the parcels inside
jpa o area go sorry goes against jpa regulations and the plan adopted in 2008 or nine I don't know the exact date um similar request was denied in 2020 as Tina mentioned down in another council meeting 5 to2
we are very concerned with the increases of flooding the town homes will cause as they will need a 9- foot grade increase which has not been brought up today we have seen the irresponsible development down Doyle when Deltona was able to Annex the area the city goes or the City
of Deltona goes not does not respect or recognized natural watersheds and being vital to Florida's natural ecosystem and has let developers build without responsibility this type of building has led to roads becoming lakes in front of oin Elementary dangerous sink holes
throughout the City and surrounding areas the majority of the water runoff goes to oting and leaving lakes in the middle of Maytown sorry um someone else can I make minutes I'm going to we understand this is your
this is your home uh Debbie Mulligan good morning Debbie Mulligan um I'm a resident of otin as well fairly new about four years um I love otin um I
want to thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for tabling this and putting in for the meetings because that's it's so necessary um I'm still learning about the jpa so I can't stand here and tell you I know everything about what's
what's supposed to be and how it's supposed to be done but I do know that by changing it you're opening a precedence that I don't think we want to go I don't think anyone wants to go down I just think that um if we do it the right way and we have the community leaders and we all say what we need to
say and and are and feel heard I feel like it'll work and um pulling back to what the first people were talking about about the flooding in BL County I moved from simol County and I've never seen flooding like this um the two hurricanes I couldn't my home was safe but my
property was completely underwater so it was new to me and I just think about those poor people in Orange City that are going through this and these developments and and pushing them through and pushing past the boundaries of what people who study this stuff
allow I think is is causing this and um I just thank you guys for your time and um I look forward to the workshops thank you for your comments uh Heather ostein and I checked to see if you were
just writing Heather from oin but it's actually Heather ostein from pel are you related to O the namesake of the city no no okay hi so I am Heather oin from pel
Road in oin and um I just just wanted to come and really go over a few things I moved to oin back in 2019 I built a home on a compound with my parents and my sister
and um we have seen nothing but flooding since the last few hurricanes my mom is in a wheelchair if we continue to build and develop these communities and not be smart about this it's only going to continue going down a rabbit hole so we
really need to make sure that we are being smart about this I'm not saying don't develop I'm just saying let's be smart about developing okay we really want to make sure that our communities aren't overcrowded because we're seeing a lot of that lately we're seeing a lot
of crime with more people coming into valua County and I think that that's important to also research and really determine do we have the manpower to be able to allow these these communities to open to
further residents of valua County so I just ask that you guys please um research and and please understand that we are here to help but we also want to make sure that we are doing what's right for our community thank you for your
time thank you uh Lester wire before so it's okay okay I'm Lester wer my wife and I live uh in oin we access a property off 8th Avenue off of South uh
415 North and South we're adjacent to the proposed site as presented to you is a no-brainer small adjustment in fact completely is a complete de deviation of the intended jpa and present zoning established to this ve to prevent this
very thing high density housing call it what it is the fact is presently adjacent homeowners are each on multiple acreage land complying to the existing rules in place the fact also is that jpa
and Zoning exists would accommodate 23 res residential homes this is nowhere near the 101 dwellings represented presented to you and they insinuation at three unit that's three units less than presently allowed the graciously
generosity of 80 residential dwelling sh represents creative math 10,000 square fet requirements compared to 2,000 square requirements is high density in their presentation they would have you believe that the environmental
encroachment is nothing more than a mapping error I suggest you actually Pro they prove this is a mapping error the with environmental Consultants with no ties with Delona oin or development contractors addressing the traffic
concerns first I personally request or uh question the safety of AD dwellings potentially 160 people on a 1,400 foot two-lane Dead End Road with no alternative exits all traffic must turn right North
on onto the extremely busy South Road a Road 415 this seems like an entrapment situation if there was an evacuation emergency such as a large fire I suggest I also suggest that you actually look at the traffic report I live here the traffic is already a huge delay in the
pm and am rush hour you can easily have 10 minute wait to cross the Northbound traffic Lanes to reach the east side of 415 I also suggest that you question the predictions of that adding 170 daily trips 15 PM trips so uh so of potential
160 residents they're predicting that 15 are coming home at night from work that's that's kind of ridiculous I have not seen any traffic counters for the last five years on State Road 15 from do road to Hollow Boulevard so how are they how are the
Traffic Engineers making these Assessments in conclusion they are insinuating a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment for transitional residential to Future land the designations requiring zoning changes de deviations from the
established jpa annexing in the Delona accessing required utilities with no idea about Reed water anyway thank you thank you thank you for your comments appreciate it and the last speaker is Suzanne
Shyer who is not from oin Suzanne Shyer representing Dr Green valua thank you for pointing that out I'm from Orman Beach um reading the agenda packet there was no discussion on storm water and my
question was going to be did anyone else notice that but apparently councilman Robins did and brought it up today so oin suffers from widescale flooding the vice chair of the planning Land Development regulation commission asked if the development was going to be served by Deltona for all utilities such
as water sewer and reclaimed water and Mr Watts answered yes and the vice chair of the pgrc asked if the utilities were available or would they be coming to the site in the future and Mr Watts answered that he didn't know about reclaimed water okay the disconnect for discussion
of storm water and flooding is obvious in P drrc meetings storm water is considered a utility on the vucha County website and I do understand this is a preapp meeting but knowing that vucha county has flooding to the extent that we do there must be discussions on storm
water storage in planning zoning and future land use they just told you their Elementary School was flooded out please do not let this lack of communication continue in pod drrc while approving new development in vucha County it becomes
apparent why we are flooding when the Regulatory Commission voting does not discuss storm water storage storm water utilities and flooding in the area is the Wetland that was brought up in the agenda packet supposed to be used for storm water storage it's a legitimate
question because no one discussed it regardless of the storm water discussion being the responsibility of Valia County or the City of Deltona or any other City keep in mind that water Knows No Boundaries please add this to the Future considerations in the planning and Land
Development regulation commission property owner rights include utility responsibilities and this includes storm water Management in future land use and Zoning so please start discussing it thank you thank
you and that uh concludes the public comments on item five and potentially item six we do have a motion on the floor to table this uh it would come back to Council on May 20th but in April
9th we would have a workshop in oin with the resident and um potentially the the council whoever cares to uh to attend I think you said it was open to
all of the public yes is there any discussion from councel yes sir I will I'll just say this I I think I would prefer that we just vote this outright this morning I I
think it is so far out of the bounds of what the what the people of oin wanted in the in the jpa and the the oin local plan they moved there thinking that they had protection from this but I think this uh Mr Robbins it's a very
reasonable compromise to do the workshop and try and work through some of those details they would like to see the both these documents um uh strengthen so it's more clear in in the
future um so if there's no other comments uh all in favor of the motion as stated please say I I I any opposed and the motion is tabled for
now and I can we take a lunch break yes we can I I before we we take a quick break I want to thank all the people that um come in to speak you were reserved uh you were well
researched and educated and it's it's a pleasure to hear from the public when you come to uh defend your home and I thank you for coming uh Mr chair just to clarify that um okay the uh applies both to items five and six that's correct he
he clarified it y That's All Right Mr chairman if you made some commentary there at the end I just want to add to that okay echoing your statement and it's it's always a pleasure up here to hear folks come factbase um as much as
possible um our job often deals with um emotional which you could see the emotion in there also and I hope as we go through this process um the members that are speaking for or against this understand the process and understand our roles in the process and your roles
in the process I can often times avoid a lot of heartburn for people um and the process always doesn't get us what we individually want sometimes sometimes but there is a process and I think we will along with the chair and others will apply that process equally to
everyone to come to a good solution as much as possible so thank you for your involvement okay well done thank you Mark um apparently we'll see you again that takes care of item five and item
six and before uh item seven we've had a request for a a break rested the council oh wow okay
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meeting back to order and we are on item seven which is is a quasi judicial hearing um does any council member have any expart to
declare okay I don't see any any heads nodding all right so if you want to proceed thank you thank you chair again Carol McFarlan planning and development services director this is a reinstatement of a business plan unit development application
um in the oakill area I do need to apologize that there's a transposition um on the council Council agenda item um it says 1,200 square feet of non-commercial
space I apologize it should be 12,000 there was a number transposed as it went from pdrc to the council so I apologize for that so we did um on these location maps I don't think you've seen seen this one kind of zoomed out a little bit so you can see better where the property is
south of Oak Hill and it has the BPD zoning on the west side it's most of the property is in the resource Corridor which of course is environmentally sensitive lands so this is the preliminary plan it was
approved in 2008 this is just a a reinstatement of the development agreement there are two buildings it's I know it's very very faded but again we we're trying to make this as EAS easy for the applicant as we possibly could so this is a two buildings 8,000 ft
non-residential 2,000 squ ft for a restaurant um they're looking at 20 foot landscape buffers two driveway access aisles and no development in the resource Corridor area um so we're only talking about 3.13 Acres of the whole
par uh parcel uh there is no public person participation at the pdrc meeting and uh pdrc recommended approval unanimously in that his staff's recommendation as well thank you okay questions for staff uh David
Santiago no question just motion Mr chair what kind of restaurant that was my going to be my question sorry it's not going to be a stues is it you don't have to answer does he does he know at this point we don't know it was it was formerly a stues at that site
and that's that was the old stues right there for years and years um and so that's why it seemed like a good location for something but no we're not really sure what it's going to be at this point uh Joe actually bought this for his retirement he's not quite there for his retirement yet as you know he's
working on the riverfront espan uh in Daytona Beach but he does hope to to use this for his retirement and he just unfortunately did not reup it before it expired so so it still be a
restaurant just un unknown variety yet which is I think needed in that in that area it will be what you're seeing with the space industry coming up into this area and you're you are seeing a a real change and so you'll you'll need you will need a restaurant in that other
area uh one other question probably you can answer Glenn um it s from reading the package I don't know what page the picture was on but it looks like most of the property is going to have a
conservation easement that's correct so all of the resource corner yeah the only thing is the cons it is a is large of this most of this is conservation eement area uh most it will have the ability to have walkways on it because that'll be nice for the people who are at the
restaurant or whatever to be able to walk out and see our nature I mean this is really a special Point part of FIA County and uh as you can imagine that road goes right to the Space Center so that's why it's so important right thank you uh councilman Robbins I was going to
make motion to approve okay councilman Rob Robbins makes a motion to approve as presented and the second is by David Santiago any other
uh debate questions all in favor say I I I any oppos I I hope I get the award for the easiest decision today I hope we get the award for the easiest fastest response thank you much guys
thank you Mr Yar item eight appointments to the Agri buus inter Relations Committee and chissa would you walk us through this absolutely the terms are expiring for this board March 31st and so we need the
whole board reappointed each council member um does get to make a nomination and the County chair and at large member get to make two the elector does not have to live within the specified District okay and do you want to are we
going to run down through the uh the list that you have today for this item there's no particular nomination order that is required like the um advertising authori so you can make the nominations however you wish okay I see the my
board's already lighting up because everybody wants to make their appointment before the other person does I think I think I'm first Santiago you were first uh Mr Bernie reappoint if he's interested Bernie
lefist I'm going to ask for a second on these when we get them all done um Jake Johansson yes I'll reappoint Linton fil Fiddler I take it I'm doing one at a time right now and it was
Linton all right uh councilman Reinhardt uh stenum my list is dwindling okay where are we uh councilman Rob Dallas Hull is it hall or
Hall thank you uh councilman Dempsey okay uh councilman Kent thank you chairman um Colin Gordon Colin Gordon and uh Jake your
name was still up but that's for the your second bite sir okay uh and uh David Santiago no but your name was still there and Danny Robin so I'm gonna pass
both of those uh and I will for my first I will do David griffi [Music] and Don are you ready yet okay John hob okay and that is uh everybody is
there a second on those nominations Mr Brower and Mr Johanson I didn't didn't catch if you guys picked a second one or not we didn't I'm ready you want to do that as a sec okay we can do it all together then Jake Johansson
who's your second Heidi haes Walker okay and um for my second somebody already took Linton I did Davis was your options are Shannon
Stewart Amanda Perry or David Lannon Shannon Stewart now can I get a second for everyone Matt Reinhardt makes a second for these nine nominations any questions Jake your name
is did you have a question or a comment no okay good sir for the record who was the maker of the motion can I also repeat them back into the record you can um Mr dimsey nominated John HCK Mr
Santiago nominated Bernie LEF Mr Brower for your first appointment you nominated David griffi Mr Reinhardt nominated Steven Crump Mr Brower for your second nomination you named nominated Sharon Stewart Mr Robbins nominated darus H
Dallas Hull Mr Kent nominated Colin Gordon Mr Johansson's second nomination was Heidi Hills Walker and his first nomination was Linton F fidler right that's what I have okay
okay and we have a the second by Matt Reinhardt um all in favor of these nominees please say I I and any opposed and nominees are approved 7 to
zero and that takes us to um item nine uh appointments to the children and families Advisory Board and this can be done by any member um yes they need to be within that Council member's District um and
the at large and the chair each get one from the east side of the county and the west side of the county there are three applicants that are on here that if someone does want to nominate them they would need to make a motion to exempt them um from a potential conflict of
doing business um they receive funding from the county so we would need to have a motion and second and a vote before they are also nominated to the board right as Crystal mentioned so there's a because they're on Advisory Board you can exempt them from doing business you
just have to they've disclosed it so if you want to put them on the board you would just make a motion to grant that waiver and then you could nominate them to the board okay uh looks like councilman Vice chair Reinhardt was up first
Mary Bruno and I'm going to put you down for making the motion yes sir for all these as well where's your name Mary Bruno District here okay Troy Kent yes District Four Merrick brunker wasn't he a school board candate
I liked him uh don Dempsey J register Dempsey n nominates Janna register Mr um that is one of the individuals that would need that exemption prior to this so if you jna
does yes she's with the seille village Improvement Association and she receives funding through the community resource center improvements at the seille community resource center okay so in order to nominate her
first Mr Dempsey would have to um ask for a an exemption that means she can still receive yes okay do you want to do that I move for an exemption okay Don Dempsey
moves for an exemption for I'll second it for Don for Janna register second by Troy Kent Council have any questions all in favor of that exemption say I I any opposed and she is Exempted
7 to zero and therefore placed as a nominee okay and next is me and I will do uh Joseph Hearn for my west side and councilman Rob am I am I not on your list sir go ahead
I'm sorry you you are I've I went right over you you were you GNA take Joe Hearn no no okay take Joe Hanson uh Jose gor Gore War Jose
a district two oh G i r e my aside guy okay and uh councilman Robbins can I do um Charles
Pucket okay Charles Pucket and councilman Santiago I don't think I have any uh available to me right okay otherwise I'll nominate Troy Kent thank you since it's his birthday
thank you David I I appreciate that okay and I had a West Side for East Side you guys left me some good people East Side I'm going to do Charles mosow
and Jake do you have one more I do uh um hold on I had it Lei Jay Whitten Connelly okay Levi Connelly and that is eight [Music]
nominations may I get a second on this slate of nominations second Johansson dick Johansson makes the second uh any comment questions all in favor say I of these if I can just repeat these to make sure I got them all
correct as well um Mr Brower for your Westside nomination you nominated Joseph Hearn Mr dimsey you nominated Miss Janna register as well she got that exemption Mr Johansson for your Westside nomination you nominated Levi Whitten
Connelly Mr Reinhardt you nominated Mary Bruno Mr Brower for your East Side you nominated Charles moscowitz Mr Johansson for your East Side nomination you nominated Jo Jose gor Mr Robbins you nominated Charles
Pucket and Mr Kent nominated merik brunker and Mr Santiago is going to get me a couple applicants for his everybody agree okay then all in favor of these nominees
please say I I any opposed and they're still approved 7 to Z okay item 10 one Valia County Consumer appointment to the health planning Council of northeast Florida correct any council member can
make this nomination how many nominees do you need just one one I would uh oh Matt Reinhardt I'm sorry didn't see your name you were up so Sarah and I'm gonna is that bud buddy
sounds good B DDE second Johansson that nominate Sarah buddy seconded by Jake Johansson only needed one correct all any questions about the applicant all in
favor of this nominee please say I I or any opposed and she is approved seven to zero and that takes us to item 11 the appointment of three members to the Personnel Board
correct there's three current vacant terms um they all have three different expiration dates so if you're nominating somebody can you please specify what term expiration um all of them are December 31st one would be of 2025 one
would be of 2027 and one would be of 2029 because they are for the remaining terms of those vacated seats um any council member may make these nominations okay okay looks like uh Jake Johansson was first yes sir I'd like to
nominate John gamble for the last one period ending expiring on the December 31st 2029 and the second for John gamble is by um s David Santiago
Matt Reinhardt Kimberly McKinny for 2027 the dates okay and I will um I will nominate Arthur burn for the
2025 that's what's left okay and Matt what was the ending date for 2027 2027 yes sir okay and uh David Santiago your second applies to all three ninees any
questions all in favor of of these nominees please say I hi hi uh any opposed and it's 7even to zero did you need to go through them again you got all three of those I can Mr Johansson nominated John gamble for the
2029 term Mr Brower nominated Arthur byn for the 2025 term Mr Reinhardt nominated Kimberly mcken for the 2027 term correct and that takes us to item 12 the atlarge
Westside appointment to the vucha forever Advisory Board pretty obvious here sir I'll uh nominate Wanda vanam she's an [Music] incumbent I believe is that correct yeah
I think so yep Jake Johansson nominates Wanda vanam is there a second second by Danny Robbins any uh questions on the nominee all in favor say
I any opposed and she is confirmed 7 to zero and that takes care of our numbered items and we move to where's John Nicholson we
move um it is that takes us to public participation we have one member of the public who would like to speak uh Michelle uter I know all of you have missed me and I thought i' bless you with my presence
today just to update you know that I have a fizer vaccine injury and I have been getting worse I am now on a cancer protocol there is no no cure for me if you saw the Yale study you would
have seen that they found out that after getting the last injection that you still produce Spike after 700 days it didn't take a Yale study for me to know in continuous labs in inside the US and outside of the US I'm still producing
Spike after 156 days my treatment is still $155,000 worth of infusions each month besides $2,000 of medication I need to go overseas so I can get treatment that is
at least $25,000 that would help me prolong some of my life and because of my financial situation waiting to have to go in front of a hearing for my disability which thanks to Corey Mills he helped expedite
that I have been sitting here I can't afford going out of state to pay $4,000 for treatment would also help me until I get to my destination in Germany even though that I've spoke on
Governor D Santa round table and spoken to laipo we are continuously being abandoned by our city our County our government it is not right I am only one out of many and there's many in the US
we have reached out and asked for help that all that is offered to us is go and try to get medic which someone in my situation Medicaid will not pay for medications and because I don't have children I would will not receive it as well as disabilities we're having a hard time
doing that and then you want me to be put on EBT or apply for go any kind of government assistance and get rental assistance that's only one time per calendar year that's all my city and county and that's all my government is a
offering me my government has given me a gene therapy which I am MTHFR modified I have all the information that shows the documentations that fizer has modified me and it is killing me not me not just
me but many others and when I speak out and ask for help that's all that I'm asking not just for me for many others like what happened to the slush fund the covid-19 slush fund where what's going on with that to promote the covid-19 vaccine
I'm appalled that I sit here and I have asked for help and everyone has their hands and crimes against humanity and watching me die you had this in sephtis thing last time that I was here I'm going to talk over National Estis day
are you going to put me on the agenda for a national vaccine injury day because somebody's going to have to remember me because so help me God I'm going to speak until I have no breath left there will be rallies and they will be protests I am Florida's worst
hurricane right now hold on one second let me ask qu Jake did you have a question or statement for Michelle yeah I I want to I'm familiar with your case here you are terminal correct I'm going to be having
my next bled I've had been going 18 tubes of blood and I'm on a cancer protocol now so at least right now I have another appointment I have no idea right now what I have two doctors crying over me right now what specifically are you asking the County Council to
do one I'm here to use up your time so I can spread aware awareness okay but not only there's got to be some kind of funding there's got to be something because I'm not the only one in Valia County there's got to be some kind of funding
to help us because you know what I just used my last bit of rent I have no place to go after this I'm not begging for money I have never asked anything for I have never asked anybody for anything in my life
but all I'm asking is before I die I want to see my grandkids and I want to be alive long enough to see it and I want to be alive to save future Generations if this happened to any one of your family members wouldn't you fight like I
am and also if this happens I know what doctors I know what treatments I know what blood tests what will be done because it's not going to be done in Valia County I have to go out of Valia County to be seen nobody in my area I had to to go out of state and I was so
sick it took me days to get home because I couldn't drive home or I have to go overseas if any of this happens to your family members you guys will be coming to me and saying where do I go to save your family's life and then I have to play God and be I know biblically that I
need to help you but nobody in this County if your family is in this mess you are not going to know where to go and you're going to come turn to me and so help me God I'll do the biblical thing and help you but I need help now is there any money that is going to help people like me that aren't going to be
thrown out on the streets to die okay Michelle let's do let's do the I think Jake is going to do the same thing we will get with the uh County attorneys County manager and look at um various
various funding uh from opioids from what whatever and see um what's available what we can do um you I'm not asking for opio I you're asking for money I'm looking for
anywhere it might be and so I have done this with out pay medit medications because I didn't want to be addicted to anything I have to meditate and there's a lot of things that I have to do well I'm not I'm not suggesting you take um I just wanted to make that clear
I'm just letting you know we will We Will and and I think I can probably speak for this Council are our heartbreaks for your we've heard your your message um I've met with you in person I I know you I know you're not
this is not some sham that you're pulling you're um we we hear what you're saying so G give us a chance to get with senior County staff and just see um what we can do and I will I will
contact you and I hope to God that you think one day to put on the agenda to have National vaccine awareness today because you know what there's so many people that are suffering and they need help and I'm not just fighting for myself I'm
going to be fighting for everyone who is suffering lost a loved one or the ones that I take phone calls in the middle of the night that can't take this pain anymore and want to commit suicide because you know what I have been there I have prayed to God that I don't wake up in the morning because I don't want
to live through this but I just need you guys to understand I'm not here to be in pain in that I we need help and there's more people we hear you not once did I ever think that I would have to go downhill I
thought that I was my health would just I could just go through this I did not imagine ever that I would be getting worse okay let us go to work on this we won't drop it thank you I'm just being I'm just
tired of being ignored by my city my state and my own government thank you you and that is the end of public comments um we'll close that for today and that takes us to uh County
Manager comments yes sir one item I have here is uh just uh this one out also as a press release reminding everybody about our sand dredging project with the our US Army Corps of Engineers um the Army Corps is to begin
delivering the temporary dredge pipeline uh here in the next few days probably around March 10th U of course remember this is going to facilitate uh moving about 900,000 cubic yards from Pont Inlet with the
goal of taking this cleaner in our channels and the dredge material will go up and be used as part of our project uh to the north uh where we will uh re uh begin rebuilding the the Dune
repair project uh to accommodate the installation going to be some access point adjustments on the beach beginning uh this week uh County contractors are beginning to modify existing Boardwalk near the Lighthouse Point uh Park
and we'll have uh temporary uh pedestrian detour signage and when the actual uh big pipelines come in uh Beach Street vehicle access ramp will be closed for about 5 days uh while we move
uh the Army Corps moves in that big equipment and pipe so just letting everybody know that they're getting ready to go and it will be a major project as it goes um that's all I have okay thank you
uh Mr Deputy County attorney no comments thank you sir okay County Council uh councilman Robbins thank you chair uh a couple quick things uh Council I appreciate your support earlier today uh with the
um shipping container ordinance I know there's a lot that that goes into that but I have I have one more ask if if we can or what's your appetite if we can direct our staff to reach out to Mr Bartlett through a hopefully uh unanimous uh letter um just requesting
or expressing um to explore supporting the creation of of an exemption to exempt um sheds and shipping containers um uh exempt them from any uh taxation
because you'll see at our ordinance uh unlike any other accessory dwellings we're prohibiting electric and uh stuff that prohibits them from being uh pretty much the next level uh Council second I like it so it's for
a discussion right to see if we can do something see if we can collectively work together to align our agendas on the council the council with Mr Bartlett to send Mr Bartlet a a letter
with okay what we did I I would be a a hard second on that too with Mr Santiago I don't is there anyone who would not like to be on that letter good I think it would be good to
be p i I think these are part of the goals that the council absolutely said um to reduce tax burden and uh in paperwork just makes sense okay um so
you're making that as a motion however would you'd like chair I we do that motion and set it in place uh for a joint letter a two exempt sheds and shipping containers from uh
taxation was there something else uh no but I I would word it or or present this in a manner because this is really his uh um I don't want to make a demand when we're um not in the driver's
seat but I want to make a uh an appeal to him I guess do you want to write the letter no or you asking staff to St if we can direct staff to do it okay do I have a second for that motion thank David David
Santiago did yes sir what I like when are you going to pay us $500 oh uh yeah move to Jour okay Santiago seconds Mr
Robins uh motion any questions on it all in favor say I I any opposed and that passes seven to zero so just from a process standpoint do you want the letter to come back or do you want us like last time to write the letter and send it on your behalf but I know you
guys are going to bring the final product back if we could we have we have time right I think do you want to see the letter before it goes sir is that what you're saying yes that that's perfect with the item that comes back in May sounds good thank you thank you uh guys for
that also to council uh a few weeks ago uh we approved funding for the first step shelter and um had a discussion with staff uh staff is currently crafting a contract for that is that still the case George yes yes sir one Clause um I didn't think
of that at the time but one Clause I would like to see Council and I know we've all kind of said it before but I want to make sure we add it to this contract is supporting uh adding the language where these funds cannot be used for executive salaries um no upper
echelon that they go to pretty much the line workers and that have direct contact um with the um person seeking service in those homeless shelters you know we saw some stuff in the paper um
but I want to make sure that that if if we're um using tax dollars that they're going to the people getting service and not the will of another board or an executive salary like we see time and time again I'd also U I'd like to have
them add that language in there is that something you guys would be willing to yeah I uh we've got two people want to want to discuss it i' I'd love to see that happen we'd have to hear from legal if if that's possible uh
Jake Johansson I I love the idea however with with a nonprofit or anybody receiving funds from from multiple places okay so the green dollar that the county gives first step shelter won't go
in to the executive director's hands it'll go to the people and and then the dollar that's given by some other means ends up in the executive director's hands anyhow so you're you're you're
just playing some smok and mirror uh and and money's flying around all willy-nilly for no reason so it's nice to say uh hard to accomplish uh because of the multiple
sources of revenue they get um I I think you just do a shot across the bow of the board that that that our contract is is contingent upon good stewardship of
money so so don't uh don't abuse the privilege or something of that nature I don't I just don't know how you regulate how our money is spent once it gets there in this particular case if we were the sole uh contributor then it would be
easy U but I it's just it would be easy for the board to say we didn't use your money for that and and and give give her a raise anyhow so um I I don't know how to crack that nut and other than what we just did
which was to say it and be done with it which doesn't really do anything thank you councilman Troy Kent thank you chairman I had two items that I was going to bring up tonight and uh at closing comments now I only have one because councilman Robbins brought this up thank
you I was on the losing end of this vote so one of my comments was going to be hey if anybody on The Winning Side because I'm not allowed to wanted to bring this up for reconsideration I would happily second because I can second the motion I just can't bring it
up I would happily second a reconsideration because Mr Robbins I agree wholeheartedly with Mr Johanson we can um say it publicly but my belief is that um this nonprofit will will will
say yeah we we as we're shaking their head we we won't give any of this to the executive director when I read that in 2021 the executive director's salary was I think around $60,000 and now they're looking at a payr and she's currently at
$130,000 it's more than doubled and you know you know then where when I'm reading where prior councils were saying uh this is a one-time give from the county of valua and and it's not it's it's going to become um in perpetuity
it's just going to happen and I and I said here that night unless every city and I don't mean just the east side I mean every single City gave the same percentage amount then I'm out either everybody participates the same percentage amount
depending upon their um their budgets or they don't so if anybody wanted to reconsider I would second the motion I'm saying reconsider us giving them any money reconsider the 322 yes absolutely if anybody that was
on The Winning Side wanted to make that motion uh and we could bring we have to do it tonight we could bring it back and you know let them uh fill up the chambers again but I'm with you councilman Robbins when I when I saw that 60,000 in 2021 to over 130,00 and
they're talking about another raise like I can tell you my constituent group and I would be willing to say your constituent group isn't okay with that type of radical increase thanks chair may I may I um say something uh yes
certainly councilman Robins Mr Mr Ken I don't know if I can meet you there on on bringing it back up but do you think we could and Mr uh Johansson as well do you think by adding that into the contract that the
other major contributor like um Daytona that they would also possibly follow suit or is there something I I don't know and the reason I say that is um I'm not as close with the Daytona
commission and their mayor I believe is the chairman of that board so I'm I'm hesitant on where they're going to go with with that which is why I like the idea of and if my memory was right this Council and Daytona are given
the same amount we're a step down we're going to do a step down over the years but it's like 400,000 and that's what Daytona is giving as well which is why I thought you know we could make a very large statement today and say we're
bringing this back up for rec consideration because of and not only that like you know an Ruby who I don't know real well but she just sent us a very well-written email with like 15 different items of concerns and she's all for this but her concerns
I think they they hit home with me when I read them even if we brought it up for reconsideration doesn't mean we wouldn't um you know give them what you all the majority agreed here to give them but councilman Robbins I was so pleased that you brought this up because like I
said it was one of my two items to bring up today because I can't bring it up for reconsideration but you know I should have maybe played chess a little better that day and uh and and voted yes at the last second thanks okay let me I'll think about this
guys for for let me let this marinate for a little bit see if I can reach out to Daytona and see how they can craft I just I was the whole point behind this I don't agree with with some of these nonprofits um getting that kind of
raises um and I don't know if I'd be able to change my mind altogether I was kind of looking at more protections and I know it's A and M Mr Johansson's absolutely right they can play a a shell game and and just uh take it from somewhere else but maybe um
because we brought it up it'll open up the door for discussion um I'll let me let this marinate for a little bit and see what I can come up with and then uh lastly just a quick update uh chair and Council
um uh attended a uh the silver Glenn uh meeting uh with the FWC uh board uh and asked her about a week and a half ago let me tell you something it was well attended the whole city was there and there was about eight
people opposed to it that weren't even from the city they responded and I see a little bit of trend going on they responded from Orlando some of them didn't even own boats they were there just responding to a call to action and the the overwhelming majority of of that
Community it was actually really neat to see but they know how bad it's going to hurt Aster uh Don and North Don was there in in northwest of volution I appreciate you guys allowing me the uh leeway to to represent us up there um I
sent that information our letter over to uh Senator leak I believe don't quote me on this but just from our conversation I believe they're sending a letter to FWC as well um but I I would like to see what you guys thought um and what I
gathered Don um from that meeting is that the US Forestry service was a big player in pushing this as well um and there's several reasons for them uh to to do that but with that being said do we have a federal lobbyist uh County
manager that can take our letter that we sent to FWC and also get it to our I'd like to get it to Randy fine uh I'd like to get it to um uh U Corey Mills uh to get them on board see if we can halt this thing
because the next meeting or the final meeting if this stays or goes uh for that town is May 21st and May 22nd oala if I get the times uh here shortly they have an updated I'll I'll definitely provide but I'm going to be attending
those meetings um so if we can get that uh and then also too I was talking to Paulo I don't is Paulo still here uh here so Council in the event that that FWC this this agency passes this we have
a short window uh to fight it so when we wrote our letter in Lake County followed uh us and Maran they're all on board and uh it's great to see that Unity so what
we're trying trying to do now is plan for the worst so say FWC adopts this this this new regulation we have a small window would it behoove us Council to
have the County Attorney get our ducks in a row uh with our objection to that on the front end because the window is short for implementation we have a a short window it is Paulo yes can you weigh in
again yes sure so um my understanding um is that uh the staff is going to go to the FWC um for the F for the fwc's action which is going to be either um you know the language of the rule is
good to go and they were going to start the formal rule making process which is you know the the you know that is when the timelines actually start correct um they can amend the staff's proposed rule uh or they can they can shoot it back and say we need more input so you know
that is kind of up in the air of what the actual FWC is going to going to do if they start the formal rulemaking process then in order to obtain standing to uh comment properly the C uh there are some procedure procedures under
chapter 120 of the administrative procedures act that we want to make sure that we get all of our ducks in a row so we don't get get bounced procedurally in the event that it becomes like an administrative hearing is there a letter or something that we can have resolution so we would come to you uh with a
resolution for the county to act on behalf of any of the public uh to engage in that Ru making process okay perfect so we can have pretty much have that somewhat done where we can just drop that in the event I just don't want I
don't want us to lose that time because it's it's just limited so yes so would get the standing and then my understanding is the process needs is uh pseudo quasi judicial they're making a determination based on the evidence using a comp substantial evidence
standard on whether or not to establish the spring protection Zone okay as long as we're prepared for it I'll I'll stay on top I'll keep you guys uh updated that's all I got would the county have standing or require the resolution provides us standing so there's a process under 120 where uh we we pass
the res Act on behalf of any citizen to challenge one of these uh rulemaking Paul we could go ahead and do that resolution and bring it back to council yes right yes so we could do that at the next meeting if we wanted to or yes I think that would be good just to
have an our pocket okay thank you before I call on David Santiago I wanted to uh I wanted to respond to the conversation um between Danny and Troy I I would I would
be glad to pass this gavl to make that motion but I could have swore I voted against that so I can't do it so it was two to five because I you know I look my first reaction Danny when you brought that up
was it's simple accounting um Ryan osowski could figure it out real quick where you know here we got this check it's earmarked for this but not everybody has uh Ryan and Aaron and when I asked the question how many people are
coming from Valia County to the shelter they couldn't even tell me that so I I kind of questioned their um their accounting but um I think there was a miss a little misunderstanding chair um but we're we're we're bouncing I'll be more than happy to talk about would you
like me to make a motion for the FWC no I think we're good on that will the body was to bring the motion back we'll have an item for you sounds good uh but but chair what I was looking for and the reason I brought it up was I didn't think of it at the time and I saw that that newspaper article and I said
how can we put put better protections on the the money that this on that this Council right that was my motive for that it was not to bring it back today or or to to revote on it other although I understand some of your your standpoint that was not my my purpose I
just wanted to tighten the Noose a little bit so our money couldn't be misappropriated if if the council didn't agree with that I no I understand that I just wanted to respond to what uh councilman Kent said because I um I'm
really not comfortable with the 322 I think we gave them in good faith $400,000 and made it really clear it was a one-time gift and that we would participate in the in the future but at
400,000 every time now we're we're stepping it down is um is not what we agreed to and I I I think it puts us in a bad position and um I I would like to I would have preferred to see us fund
the people that we sent it might be 20,000 or 40,000 but I don't know how many people come from from FIA County but the point is mute because I voted against it so I can't I can't bring up that motion uh Jake
Johanson yes all right so so to get to to get to where Danny wants to go um since we haven't executed a contract yet maybe we can somehow I don't know Russ
somehow make our contract act our contribution contingent upon um no executive director if that's what we're concerned about no executive director raises during the during the
time period that we're contributing if if it happens we turn the SP it off I I don't I'm just trying to think how to do it contract wise you can't do it can't give them the money and then tell them how to manage it because sir we I don't mean to interrupt
Mr Hanson but we we could put it in a condition if Council desires that says you know uh the funds have to go to direct services rendered uh basically if somebody touches an individual they Services can go to pay for that individual employee um so your worker your workers
if you will we could do a provision like that but similar to your last iteration too on the agreement we quarterly got invoices uh for to check where the money was going so we can ask for the same in this next version of the agreement so
that your monies are accounted for how you want them to be spent on operations now I'm not saying you can't you know obviously monies could be spent elsewhere that aren't the monies the county gives but we could put some checks and balances in that agreement which we were kind of going down that
line anyway I believe um to ensure the money is spent how this Council directs it to be spent so I I hear from the body that the money will not be we like some conditions in there to give as much assurances as possible that the money will not go to pay raises for the executive
director right I think we at least agree on that executive staff executive staff okay uh Troy did you have one more thing yes thank you thank you chairman
and um councilman Robbins one of the reasons that I I love that you brought this up um not just because I was going to bring it up is I'm not trying to speak for you but it feels like this has giving you discomfort like you read that in the paper and it bugged you enough to
bring it up here at County Council and it bugged me too and you know um I think Mr Johansson H has some some clever ideas on how we can do this and and maybe maybe the way
we do it is we say hey the executive director's salary used to be 60,000 a year now it's 130 some odd th000 whatever the executive director salary is we're taking that off the top just something to think about but if anybody on The Winning Side wants to bring it up I'll be happy to second that
motion for reconsideration thank you and I don't see my board lighting up uh for that U that's too bad okay um next in line was councilman Santiago thank you Mr chairman um wow Danny a lot
of good work today I'd like to make a motion Danny Robbins day today we can make a proclamation because it's definitely been your day um presented inside Chambers or out yeah I think we should all go down and take a picture with him uh thank you Mr chairman I wanted to
and and you know what this I'm having a little fun I just want to send a message out to um Mr Kent's father who's watching you should have taught him uh chess he only knows how to play checkers so maybe we can help him out for the next one not true dad not true U but council members I wanted to see if I can
gather support to bring back to the council a naming of a street a County Street and um I don't want to you know go into the details today unless the council wants to but I think it's more worthy I have some background information to give the staff to bring it back to the council it's one of our
former sheriffs from the 50s Mr JH Jim Tucker didn't know anything about him until this was presented to me but apparently he was a pretty Innovative uh Sheriff his is campaign uh literature from the 50s I thought it was pretty cool I was going to say second for
discussion for sure yeah and so I just think he was ahead of his time and some of his campaign materials so if you guys are okay I want to give this to staff it the county road is just the one we're looking at is right by the Amazon so there's no homes on it so it shouldn't cause any controversy and name changes
it's a it's right now it's it's vacant so if I get support for that I get a second if we can vote for that name is there a name on the road already I think it's named County Lexington I think it's what it's named yeah okay yeah and change it to Jim Tucker Jim Tucker JH
Tucker or um let's let's figure that out and maybe staff could get with the family to find out what a preference would be whether JH Tucker or what he went by most commonly we got a motion in a second okay uh you made the motion Troy
can't made the second any other qu and we're sending this to staff to bring back can you bring it back within two months I think that's a good time frame okay okay and I I like the idea so I I don't want this to to harm it but if if
there's any expense that you know of since it's already name road is probably it's not a big popular road so there's probably not a big deal I think it's one or two signs but that's a legitimate question to find out what that cost is I agree
chair um all in favor say I I I any opposed and say we'll get more information on that as well and I'm G start taking chess lessons with uh Troy is this the information on yes sir okay I'd gladly
one thank you good work you want one okay you got one special okay that you're done that takes us to Don Dempsey yeah just kind of the supplement what you're talking about
David I don't know if you I know I've talked about this before actually I gave those books out to the veterans when we were honoring them that day but um I don't know if you all knew this but all the name Street not all of them but like I think at least a third around Halifax Hospital are all named after Fallen
veterans of World War II from this area so it's really interesting if you could ever find that book again because it was uh really a good read knowing Don you know all these different street names and it had the whole biography of these people who served and what they did in the war so yeah I think
that's a good Trend to continue with I'm out of them I gave them all the way yeah it's it's a good book um and following on the subject of uh the uh the shelters I I know we talked about it before um but we didn't want to dive
into it too deep but maybe we could direct staff to look into this um as I brought up when we were talking about the funding for the first step shelter apparently none of our shelters here will house sex offenders and um I don't know what the cause is but for some
reason pucha County ranks ninth in the state for transient sex offenders um Maran County doesn't have any seal County doesn't have any I believe Lake County has 16 and we have 61 so is that
from that sprinkler company this is from aaga what's that the sprinkler water company it wasn't sure okay yeah well aoga came up with a report uh number 2411 December of 24 that came up with these statistics so I
don't know if we could possibly direct staff to look into this to see if we identify what the reason is for the high number of transient sex offenders in our County I don't think any of us want to have transient sex offenders sleeping on our streets or walking roaming the
neighborhoods they need to be accounted for so I was going to make a motion if we could direct staff to just look into it and research what our options are and see if we can identify the source of the problem either through contacting probation or the sheriff or other law enforcement agencies but there's got to
be some way we can reduce these numbers second okay councilman Dempsey makes a motion to send a staff for uh information back on how we can reduce
the number 61 yes sir sex offenders in valua County um transient sex offenders transience is is ALS is the bigger problem we need to know where they are exactly they need to be located
yes there's more than that in the county but they have dwellings so we don't know I don't know if this is just because we're a transient area or a vacation area and they just kind of end up here or if it's some other reason maybe we need to look into getting some enticements to some of these shelters to
start housing them because if they were able to be housed we wouldn't have such a a high transient number in my opinion but I don't know what the the real culprate is okay all right so we have the motion in a second on the table is
there any questions everybody understands what we're voting for all in favor of sending this to staff to get back more information please say I I any opposed and the motion passes 7 to zero
and that's all I have thanks guys okay Jack Johansson thank you sir um couple things uh first of all one of our one of our citizens today uh talked
about her concern with schools and I I just want the the public to know that that we hear you and we hear your concerns but um in in many cases a a lot of what you bring to this Council um aren't aren't
in our wheelhouse and and uh between the chairman and and the rest of the elected officials here we do our best to direct your concerns to the right authorities and sometimes you you leave before our Council comments to to let you know we
did that so um uh I know the chairman and I will meet with Miss otter to try to get her to the right agency and um I'll I'll get the information from the citizen
that talked about schools to make sure that she's aware that the school board is where a lot of those issues um are brought up and uh uh same can be said for anything else um uh I'm going to pull up a quick email
if you'll bear with me here in um I can't quite find it but basically uh a couple weeks ago I I I got cced on an email that Brad bbau I
think Brad sent it to me um regarding to um I got right here regarding two veteran service officers that helped an 87y Old Gentleman um that had a flat tire and I I believe that that gentleman
wrote a letter to uh Scott and our inter veteran service officer about all the great work work that uh Charlie and Paul yeah Paul and Charlie uh two
one seasoned veteran service officer and one Fair fairly new one did uh out of the goodness of their heart but but I want to um share with George and and Ben and some of the other uh staff that have
members out in the field that I see this happen often I see Valia County people helping your average citizen on the street uh and and I'm usually traveling down the road and can't stop and you know get names and information but it's
uh always a pleasure to see when when a valuan county truck valuan County car or somebody with a valuan county um shirt is is helping somebody rather than just walking by so um in in the Navy we call
those those Adam boys Bravo Zulus so if you can pass back to the to the whole group but to Charlie and Paul um uh that that they're good they did not go unnoticed also we had a state of the
county event at the Ocean Center and you know could the food have been better um probably not um uh I've told George and Suzanne and and and the Ocean Center staff many
times that that is the best conference meal I've had hands down throughout the nation top five in the world in all my travels um for for conference food um I've even had good chicken there and and
that's hard hard to do so uh my hats off to the Ocean Center uh the staff and the catering uh um uh between Between the Ocean Center catering staff and uh the husseini center catering staff I I know
those those people work part-time in a couple different places I see them at every chicken dinner I go to to the point where I know them better than the people that we hang out with at all these conferences and and it it's always a joy to see somebody with a black shirt
with a big smile on their face saying Mr Johanson you're back so um it's good to run into those people and and again my my hats off um to to the Ocean Center uh catering staff and everything that staff
doing I also peaked around the corner I see the the the um the work is starting to go on back there so so good stuff there um you know I want to share with the public uh a little add-on to this um to
public comment um passionate um passionate thre minute Cycles from folks regarding what's happening to them uh I want everybody to know at least in least
to me it breaks my heart to hear about homes that are flooded it breaks my heart to hear about um people who are getting sicker and sicker and and we Endeavor to get you all to the right place so don't think when we sit up here
uh and sometimes I don't look in your eye cuz I'm taking notes but uh that that we don't care we care very much and and to a lot of us it it it hurts us even worse when we we can't help you um um but but like I said we'll we'll try
to get you the right people I think that's all I have for now sir yep that's it thank you okay uh thank you councilman Troy Kent thank you chairman um I just had two items and we already spoke about the one and the
second one actually um Mr Johansson just brought up and that was the state of the county address I I just wanted to tell you all and those listening online and those that are still here today um Council I I didn't get to see the address until of course that day and I
was so impressed by each of your your individual pieces I thought you did a really good job chairman I thought um your message was on point and um I thought you did a great job thank you
for that and George to you and your staff uh with Michael Ryan back there and his staff I agree with Mr Johansson to feed 500 plus people in I would say between 30 and 40 minutes and for the quality of
food to be what it was it truly was an exclamation point to everybody in that room to hey if you are thinking of having any type of event the ocean center is open for business and by the way this is what we can provide for your
meal no matter what it is if it's even if it's a you know I don't know if they do weddings or anything like that but I mean it was on point and I give it a nine plus on my rating scale and I'm I'm I'm I'm pretty tough on stuff like that
uh everyone I spoke with that attended raved about the entire event and it just is another feather in your cap George because you you um the people elect us they're our boss and we give you
marching orders and I've said it before you have an uncanny ability to put the right people in the right positions and um Michael Ryan and Lynn Flanders I don't know if she's still in the house but Lynn you know she's a big part of making sure that Ocean Center runs as as
seamlessly as it does I'm excited about next year's event at the center of Deltona I just think maybe we need to bring the Ocean Center caterer over over there and still have it at the ocean no I'm yeah I'm I'm glad I see some heads nodding yes because it it was it was
nothing short kit of spectacular yeah no I know they yeah they do and and and it's a great Center by the way over in Delona and it worked out well last year and I like Don I I I do like how you know we kind of share that love a little little bit you know from the at first I wasn't too crazy about it I think it's
much easier on staff to do it at the Ocean Center but I get what you're saying and I think you're right with a county larger and I know that the chairman and Mr Johansson know about it larger than the state of Rhode Island you know it's I don't think there's anything wrong with with sharing that
love and and going from East Side to West Side you know I'll I'll approve that as long as I'm I'm sitting in this chair uh A+ George and Company good job add something to your love on the Ocean Center please I know you mentioned Lynn
if I made Mr chair um I had a great I I threw something at her uh at the state of the county address uh kind of you know in my David style little jok and Lead but serious I said when are we going to have some Spanish entertainment you know as the only Hispanic on this
board and she's already working on it so thank you you know we do have a large Hispanic population and I'm trying to see if I can be a back backup singer on one of say what are you going to sing know you can dance I'll be back up I'll be back up just don't put on a wig David yeah it didn't work last time it didn't work well okay all right let me can I
just add to you do the Sal just a shout out to our our partner at the Ocean Center is the Oakville group and it's just you know we are Partners truly with them they do the catering and and all the food event and uh of all types I
mean they can knock it out on many things and again I just want to give them a little shout out and yes we're open we're open for business we love corporate events we love people to come here and uh I'm just uh thank you very much that uh and the final ad since
since Troy going to be taking chess lessons if we can send our Pio to do some comedy lessons for the next opening act that might make it perfect we' we've got done s Santiago is pretty you know he's pretty wiry up here you know
shooting some shooting some Jabs up but but just on the last piece of that you know you know Jake um I had said this when my daughter got married and um my son-in-law his family Tim they had the rehearsal dinner at the Hard Rock and I
didn't know what to expect and I said at that point I cannot believe they prepared 70 meals this great this hot all at the same time and until last week's event I mean 500 plus to do what they did Jake I'm with you I
think it's for me it's top too I know you've you know you've much more traveled worldwide but to hear you say I think you said top five worldwide from what you've seen it was it was spot on David what else come on anything else all right is Don gonna help with
the comedy for next year i' make that I'd make that motion oh I can't you're you're in luck okay uh Matt Reinhardt thank you chair um first off George thank you for bringing up about
the sand drudging project um and the update on that I spoke at Pon inlet's uh City Hall about that at the request of their mayor and I'm speaking at the shores meeting this evening about it so thank you for the update about the uh Lighthouse Point Park issues as well and
I'm waiting on Daytona to respond back I've I've reached out to them to see if they wanted me to speak at that one as well so we're getting that information out there in addition to what Michael Ryan is putting out in the uh socials and whatnot that being said about uh Mr Ryan Mr Ryan thank you very much also
with respect to the Ocean Center and you made us all look good with exception of David so just kidding so thank you very much to your crew because they deserve Kudos as well gentlemen thank you back back behind the glass there
um also that being said um Mr Ryan thank you also recognizing uh I sent some information to Mr Ryan about Port AR South Daytona Chambers event last week um about the uh
mayor's dinner and Hero's recognition traditionally this has been done as a breakfast but uh Barbara an heum wanted to include the families uh so we've moved it to a dinner event it was done at the plaza in day Ton Beach Shores very nice event um the first time ever
the Sheriff's Office was recognized in addition to drum roll Corrections so that is the first time Corrections has been recognized for any of those events uh since then we have heard back from the Hispanic chamber in West valua
are going to recognize Corrections this year uh and also uh the event that um no not cracker day uh they do over at the church in Midtown um they will be doing uh for their law enforcement they're going to
recognize corrections as well so yes gentlemen for at least the next four years you're going to hear more about it so that that being said thank you very much Mr Ryan for for putting that out there um and and also to point out Danny it should be your day you didn't spill
any coffee today that was awesome so congratulations we're not done yet Jake how how you feeling over there you you staying dry today pretty dry over there but that's all I have thank you chair jeez okay yeah it is a tough crown I I
wanted to start off most of what I was going to talk about you guys already handled appreciate that since none of us read mines um but I did want to say something else about the uh about the Ocean Center event
um uh I guess following Jake Johansson just another attab boy Michael Ryan just you knocked it out of the park your part um speaking I don't know if
you used the teleprompters at all but it looked like you just had memorized the whole thing um but uh but the yeah I had the pleasure of you told me about the uh the super salad so I I went back and met with the
chef and said I I heard you had a work of art that you're calling a salad and man his eyes lit up he brought it out and I had never seen anything like that at especially at a convention me I've seen beautiful salads but um that one
was spectacular U he also said I'm new here and I'm going to make my mark on the county today and I I think he succeeded in that from what I'm hearing across the board I I I agree
with Jake it's I've I've traveled a lot for conferences um and trade shows I've never had a meal at a conference or a trade show when I saw that Prime cut of meat medium rare I took it and I thought what's going to be cold it wasn't but I
even took a little piece of chicken to make sure it wasn't the typical rubber chicken it had so much flavor so I won't blavor it but I just I want to I want to accentuate what everybody else says just um and I love the idea of bringing them
to to Deltona as much as I love Joe I don't know if joke did he cater it last year okay um I really wish that that Don had not asked for that vote and we would just do it at the Ocean Center every year but
um it's uh it holds more people but that that ship is sailed and uh um the center at Deltona is a beautiful place it'll be less people um and Troy thank you for your attaboy and for the rest of the
council if you're one ing it only cost me $50 um for Troy's uh saying that I did a good job on the the speech yeah
um uh and staff is the the top sponsor was was Massie had they ever sponsored before I don't know if they were the top sponsor before uh they may have been a
smaller sponsor yeah it's usually the landscape company gbi or whatever that has the CFB yeah which are really good people but um let's see if we can get them to sponsor a five mile road repavement or something there you go
there you go um quick question uh County Manager you hit most of it you said the Beach Street approach would be a closed uh temporarily as the sand comes in any any idea how long and there's not an alternate route it's just four or five
days oh okay yeah it's just okay all right and then uh I just wanted to mention Miller flooding flooding in general um I want the public to know that the county manager and I and probably you did the
same thing with other with the other council members but you you updated me on where we are on the the solutions that the that the council sent to you that they're being worked on we talked about
Miller and I'm glad that you took the time to update them I think they they deserve it it's a it's a it's a tragic situation um but work does go on behind the scenes um so I I just appreciate
apprciate you uh updating them I just threw up the picture there this is uh I think of the last day or so uh where reestablished the road uh you can see the lake you know and you can see that uh it's down to
where if you look on the left where the grasses are uh you know your normal Cattail and and grasses on the edge uh look at the water line on that juncture box right so that gives you a good idea it definitely was across of course we
raised the road to get people through there the Department of Transportation I want to give them a shout out gave us the millings uh to build that road and then uh with the agreement that we would take the millings back which we gladly did
and we we'll use the millings they're very reusable in other projects so that that that works out but yeah we're not done by any stretch of imagination but uh as as I said uh we uh at this point though uh we had
to stop the pumping for now uh definitely we've got conversations with St John's on lake level management because I think the idea is you know you don't want to wait to the storm as they brought out I I don't I would like to be
able to control the lake level uh pre- storm and or pre-storm season and I think that's a bigger issue not just for Miller Lake because there's a lot of L lakes around that we have these same kind of issues Deltona even more so than
we do now Deltona has a a lot of their Lakes have have permanent pumps uh stations put in with actual pumps there all the time I know because we the county put them in uh back in theid 1990s so uh but the I think the struggle
they have as well is is being able to be proactive because once that storm hits and the rain coming down you can't keep up with Mother Nature at that rate so the the key to that is being able to put some capacity in the in the Lakes ahead
of time so that you're not pumping uh as much afterwards or that maybe you have a hope to contain it in the uh actual lake bed that's out there and and so we we're working with the St John's we'll have
further meetings they were very receptive uh and uh I know we will probably get together with the manager group and and I also know it's coming up more conversations with the Roundtable group as well so there's a lot a lot of
work is going on really it's going to be storm water pretty much when you're talking from infrastructure for a long time was roads roads well they're still there but right now I think our Focus for the next few years is going to be storm water storm water and we'll be on that okay the uh one of the things that
was said this morning was we've stopped pumping you I think you addressed that this morning that it's because we were pumping two is full and we have to let that uh and St John's also only allowed us to pump to to that February date so
uh we've got and this is where we need to work we're working with DeBerry and St John's because DeBerry would like also the ability to pump their where we pump the water too that big uh Cory well they'd like to be able to pump out of
that somewhat preemptively and and maybe uh and may even now right now they're just waiting for that to do the same thing as the lake it's just they're looking for Trans evaporation eventually we'd like to get it to we could actually uh now that the flood's over the river's
down I could attest to that I see it every day the river is way down it would be a good time to put water that's been built up uh into the lake there AB into the river there's plenty of capacity so that's the next step and like I say lake
level management I think we need to uh uh get a little bit better at and like a lot of other areas of the country I mean I've talked to folks in public works throughout the country uh you have um water authorities and Lake management
authorities are very common throughout the country and we just I think need to work with St John's uh on understand and again I said this before remember they have concerns in both directions because fair to them they see you know water in
a lot of these lakes and and that's where they want it to be for a good portion of the year because it's the recharge of our of our drinking water so they don't want to see it empty because like you say once you know they'll tell you hey once you pump it to the St John's river you know it won't be long
and it's in the ocean so the it's a balancing act that's really where I think we have to work with them uh and there's new technology out out things that uh uh other places the Department of Transportation is uh jumping in with
both feet with it you can manage these ponds and lakes um using uh um computer a technology that will allow you know subtle draw downs and and and uh lake level management rather than anyone
having to run out there and turn on a pump uh similar to what we actually do today with scada uh type technology and water plants and sewage treatment plants and stuff so things can be more and more run remotely one of the members of the
public said that it still needed to come down six or seven feet to regain their property do is that going to be possible that I I I couldn't answer from here without looking at it and and talking to the to St John's a lot of
people uh you know again when you look at the Topography of these lakes and that's a particular one yeah during dry season they enjoyed very large backyards where they I think one person actually raised some goats out there there was a horse
farm at one time at the bottom uh but it was clearly a flat area that led to the water and that is a you know a late flood plane you know that's where it was where the lake supposed to go when it gets high and and Delona even has it in
more pronounced uh manners so Lake Gertie uh a lot of places around here you know yeah people often raise their ponies and gentleman farms and things like that are down in the in that lake bed but when in
the times of wet times it's it's it's part of the lake and St John's they got quite a lot of data a lot of uh GPS yes and light our data and they'll say what's really you know uh the lake bed or the lake bottom and yeah a lot of
people many cases own right to the middle of the lake um but that's submerged land um I I live I happen to live on a 10 acre piece of property and nine of it is underwater most of the time
so you luckily I put it in conservation or I actually I didn't but the previous people did and uh so so Larry doesn't hit me with the whole thing who was your realator being Ben's brother I know someone if you need
connections so last question thank you for to uh legal staff I know that I well I don't know I believe that the county is named in the lawsuit from a group of individuals there what is what is our re
requirement uh to do and not to do so we got a letter threatening litigation there's not an actual lawsuit that's filed there's I believe uh nine individuals Property Owners out there that are part of the Morgan and Morgan letter we received that they're looking into the matter uh for possible
litigation Our advice is always whenever we're under the threat of litigation is we recommend that Communications go through the lawyers to the lawyers at that point um but that's our advice okay so questions from anybody
and Shady Lakes or Miller Road you you can direct them to your attorney sir or uh you could choose to ignore my advice if you so chose but we're asking that uh you know typically under threat of litigation litigation gotcha comes to the attorneys okay thank you uh Jake
Johansson thank you sir um regarding Miller Lake and and it kind of dumb tales on what you just asked chairman we've had some Miller Lake I'll call them frequent flyers they come up here same same group of folks by and large every once in a
while one shows up and one doesn't but we have all those email addresses even with the pending litigation or the possibility of litigation is there any way that that we can most of them come up and say we we don't know anything so uh would it be I
I don't need a full up news release like you do every every week but can can maybe Ben sends something out just saying this is what we are out doing yes one of my notes from earlier today was I was going to meet with a
group to form a little um either get a spokesman from that group or do you're talking about and say let's put the information either that way or to a spokesman uh and run it through our course our Legal Office they're on top
yeah just just and and if you can see see so we know they got it that' be even awesome or some something I appreciate it George thank you sir okay and if there's no one else then
we are adjourned and at 152 which is that a new record sh