All right. Well, on behalf of the Valuchia County Council, I'd like to welcome the members of the 2020 uh 526 Charter Review Commission to this organizational meeting. Most people know me, but I am uh George Rectenaw, the
county manager, and I'd like to introduce uh Mike Dyer, who's here from the county attorney's office. You're going to be hearing from Mike and his staff shortly for remarks on the Florida sunshine law and home rule. Uh, as many of you know, the county
charter requires the council to appoint a charter review commission, which it has done uh every year 10 years since its original adoption in 1971. The process has been uh driven by local residents like yourselves who have a
vested uh community interest in Valuchia County and your uh your intentions and um are well known. Over the next few months, uh we'll be discussing matters pertaining to the charter and decide uh what may be presented to the voters of
Lucia County at the November 2026 general election. Uh it's important to note the recommendation of the charter review commission goes directly to the voters. Uh it's our staff's job here to ensure you have the tools available to
make uh good informed decisions. Uh what I'd like to do now is uh introduce the staff here from the county that'll be here to help you with that. Uh I'm going to kick it off first with my deputy uh Suzanne Conchin.
Uh, next to her is uh our newest member actually of staff, uh, assistant county manager Gus Sbrano, who we're going to baptize him with fire here. Uh, John Booker, government affairs,
and Michael Ryan, who does our public information in the back. has been very instrumental this and his team back there uh that makes sure that these uh are recorded and videoed. And then we have Miam Richardson who probably will be doing the lion share of the work.
It's usually what happens, right? Where Miam she's out working. So we'll we'll get her back here and uh but she puts through together a lot of the administrative work. So, what I'd like to do uh to start things off uh before
we get into the nitty-gritty is have uh each of the commissioners maybe make a short introduction and opening remark so we can kind of get to know each other. I know many of you do, but we do have people who are new. So, let's start that
off. We'll just start right down here at the end. >> Hello everyone. I'm Suzanne Shyber and um my organization is Dream Green Valuchia. I'm pleased to be serving on the commission. Um a lot of my experiences in Valuchia County have to
do with attending city meetings and county council meetings and um government meetings in general, including the flood meeting, which someone pointed out to me earlier they saw me there recently. Um it's a pleasure to be serving with all of you
and um I'm looking forward to this experience. Thank you. >> Yeah. And I forgot to mention anyone who's not not been up here before, >> you got to push the little button there uh uh to speak into the mic >> and and then when it's you might want to
take it off though when you're not speaking, >> right? Everything is recorded. Thanks. >> I'm Kelly Parsons Quiet. I am the chief legal officer at Halifax Health. Um so I'm I'm really excited to work on this project and work with all of you and thanks for having me.
>> Chris Holland, Foundation Risk Partners. Um I lead I'm on our executive leadership team. I lead our Midwest as well as a large part of our Florida operations. Very pleased to be here as well and uh nice to meet some new faces in the room tonight. Thank you.
>> Pat Nory aka Grumpy Old Woman. Uh I did 20 years on county council with most of them with George and uh I currently serve on the echo committee and um pleased to be here and to get to see some meet some new people and see some old friends that we kind of grew up
together on the county council. So it's it's good good to be here. >> I'm Jim Clayton lifelong resident of the land. I want to thank Mr. Burker for the biography putting in here. I didn't write that. That's really good. I'm going to show it to my wife when I
get home. I appreciate being here. I know a lot of you by face and name. I look forward to meeting those of you that don't and I'm glad to be here. >> Hi, I'm Billy Wheeler and my husband and I owned a financial services practice for about 35 years and then I was a city
commissioner in Daytona Beach Shores and then graduated up to Valuchia County Commissioner which I have retired from. Thank you. Good evening everybody. Uh my name is Nick Saknavski. It doesn't uh sound as
bad as it looks in writing. Um yes, but now H is silent, so that's the easiest way to remember it. Uh I'm born and raised in Miami and uh did most of my uh career in Broward County in um library services and public works. And I also uh
was an education director at a maximum security state prison uh South Bay Correctional Facility which was a privatized uh at the time Wacken Hut. It's now called GIO and it's still going strong. Uh my wife and I decided to retire up here to Valuchia County uh six
years ago and just before COVID so we survived CO up here and uh got more involved in public activities. Uh learning about all the new residents, none of whom were from here really didn't wasn't really familiar with Florida, let alone Valuchia County. And
I had been a I've been a taxpayer though for 30 years because I've had a time share in New Smyrna Beach since the mid 90s. So I I've been learning more and more along the way. And two years ago, I had the pleasure of being appointed to the housing finance authority for Valuchia County and um that has led to
in part to this. So nice to meet everybody. Thank you. Ben Johnson, lifelong resident of Dand. Uh 43 years with the Valuchia County Sheriff's Office, including 16 as sheriff, four years sentenced to the
Valuchia County Council is at large and I guess bored. And here I am wanting to wanting to stay in some kind of touch with what what's the future of our county and thank you for letting me be here. >> I'm Dwight Lewis and uh I've lived in
Valuchia County for 82 years. It's a lovely county. I love I love Valuchia County. I've served on the county council for eight years. I look forward to working with each and every one of you. And uh I think one of the good things we need to do is listen to the
public in the listening sessions. So I like that. Sure. >> I'm Amy Munzi, president of the Dillion Springs Community Association. Uh we're a nonprofit organization that's been working for about 15 years to advocate for our unincorporated community. And
it's a pleasure to serve with all of you. I look forward to being on this commission with you. >> Hello, I'm Stephanie Wilford. I'm director of government affairs at Halifax Health. Prior to that, I had a a stint in state government. So, I'm very
excited to dip my toes into the county and learn uh from all of you and work with all of you. Thank you. >> Hello, I'm Nate Ingram. I'm a real estate broker, which I guess is kind of a dirty word, Valuchia County right now. uh but also in a mental health group practice in Port Orange and we provide
services to our communities at a reduced rate or or for free because we want to make sure that everybody has access to quality mental health care. It's truly an honor to serve on this committee. U I see a lot of faces here I know and a lot of talent and experience that have served Valuchia County for many many
years. So to be here for my first time to sit with some of you is truly an honor. To sit with the rest of you absolutely is an honor. So thank you guys. I look forward to working with you. That's about it. And I guess I'm last. Uh I'm Mark Watts. I'm an attorney with Cobb Cole. Um I am
also a lifelong resident of Dan, just a little bit shorter tenure than Jim and and Ben and Dwight. Um but uh I've came back here about 27 years ago after going away to school and and working for a brief stint in county government in Penllis County and uh was on the 2016
charter review commission. It was an interesting experience and u grateful to be back here working with all of you uh for for this year's government. So, >> all right. Thank you. And there are two other members uh absent, Jennifer Bright and uh Mr. Kent Parker. Uh they'll be uh
at the next meeting. So, appreciate that. All right. Now, my favorite part. Uh we get to uh elect the chair and vice chair. So, I can step aside. And uh well, so what I'd like to do is just
open it up now for nominations. Uh for the chair, >> I would like to nominate Mark Watts as chair. >> Second that motion if we need a second. >> I need to put that in a motion form. I approve.
>> I move that we elect Mark Watts as chairman of the commission. >> I'd second that motion. Now, do you want to have some discussion about that or discussion about any other nominees because there's some other pe >> I will do it if the if the commission so
chooses. I will express my only reservation that I do represent development interests and I don't want what comes out of this commission to in any way be tainted um by any kind of a you know those of you who know me uh know that I am a fair and balanced
person and you know look at the the community's good you know with everything that I do but I don't want what I do for a living to uh in any way taint what this commission does >> so want to address that I mean whoever gets on the Absolutely.
>> You know, I know your dad. I know your mom. Integrity has done the future. >> He's incredibly smart. He has institutional bonds to the county. I can't think of a better person to lead us than Mark. >> I would agree and that's why I seconded
that motion. I've known Mark for quite a bit of time to do that. >> I was going to nominate you. >> Yeah. And that's why I made that nomination because your your reputation for integrity and honesty is unparalleled and the fact that you served on this commission in the past. I
feel like that contributes quite a lot. >> Okay. >> 15 of us, right? >> That's correct. >> He's only one vote. >> That's right. >> I've known Mark for many years and knew his daddy. A very honorable family. Uh
he came in front of us many times when I was on the council and he always he always served with honor when he came to us both his clients and how he treated the county. I'm fully fully supportive of him being our chair.
>> I um I practice with Mark for almost 15 years at Coble and I just I want to echo everybody's sentiments the highest integrity all the time. >> Okay. I just want to say I remember was
16 years old sitting there 93 94 at chambers with your dad and you both been part of this community for >> Yeah. I'd like to also say Mark I've you've been in front of council when I was on there so many times and you
always were honest at the table. Everything I heard from you, I researched and there was nothing there other baggage on the outside that you were hanging on to. I just respect him totally and throughout the council times that I was there um he was always
upstanding and truthful in my opinion. I would support you totally. >> Mr. Reckmore, let's call the vote. >> Okay. >> Speak. You know what I'm saying? >> Go ahead. >> No. Go ahead. >> Okay. Uh, all those in favor of Mark
Watts for chair. >> I >> Any opposed? >> Okay. Carries unanimous. >> Well, thank you all. That that means a lot. Um, I I wanted to express my my uh only concerns about that, but I I hope
to to do you all justice, do the community justice. So, >> and I think that proves your integrity that you bring that to the table right up front. Well, now I have the pleasure of turning. Yeah. Now turning it over to you. You can come on up. >> Yeah.
>> That way. You got the hammer now. >> Okay. So, um I guess the next thing we need to do is select a vice chair. So, let's open up the the floor for nominations. I' I'd like to nominate Pat Nory. She was the other one that served on the
previous uh commission and I've worked with her a number of years and I don't think you'd find any better than her either. >> No, let's just say you can pass your name along. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> I was going to try to get John's attention. >> All right. So, we've got a nomination.
Is there a second on the nomination? >> Got a nomination and a second for Miss Nory. Miss Nory. Would you like to say anything with regard to your willingness to to serve in that capacity? older than Dwight. >> No.
>> So, I know Ben is younger than Dwight, I think. I think I think everybody's younger than Dwight. >> They are. >> So, anyway, yes, I if if there's no I know their name, that's fine. I won't have my feelings hurt, but Okay. >> Okay. So, we have a nomination for Pat Nory for vice chair. Are there any other
nominations before we go to vote? Hearing none. All in favor of Pat Nory as vice chair. >> Any oppose? All right, Pat, you want to come sit up here on this end, too? >> Are you good to sit there? >> I'll sit here. >> Okay.
>> All right. Um, I think next we've got Mike Dyer. You're going to give us a presentation on the home rule in Valuchia County. just have a brief 85 slide presentation. I like to gar um
>> good evening. Uh thank you all for volunteering your time. Um when I first started with a county uh it was during the charter review in 0506. um and have worked with a great number just great people along the way. Uh some
that aren't with us anymore that are on the original that charter review. Uh but your role here is very important and thank you. So just wanted to talk a little bit about home rule and why we're here. Um about 3/4 of the population of
Florida lives in a charter county. So many of your large mediumsiz counties are uh charter counties. Um we were the third charter county in the state. The first step was adopted after the 1968
amendment to the Florida Constitution uh following Deval and M uh now Miami Dade County. See so what are the what are the differences between a charter and non- charter county? Charter County
uh does emphasize more local self-government. That was the intention when they adopted the amendment. Basically, uh you have all authority as a charter county unless a legislature says you do not have that authority. Whereas a non non-charter county,
anytime they adopt an ordinance or pursue some governmental power, they have to find that authority in the statute in order to do it. So, it does allow for more flexibility unless the legislature preempts us on that subject, which they certainly have on a number of subjects.
>> Um, the other big difference is the option for countywide ordinances in a charter county. A charter may authorize a county to adopt ordinance on the subject with countywide effect. That would apply also in cities. Um, an
example of that is your environmental minimum standards and your charter allows the the council to adopt minimum standards as to the environment that would apply also within the cities. That is not the case with a non-charter
county. Non-charter county, they can pass an ordinance that would apply in the city unless the city adopts something to the contrary. Um some examples of sorry I'll get used to this of local control that exists
because of our current charter. Uh the growth management commission um is empowered to determine consistency between comprehensive land use plans of cities and the county. That's an example of something that exists because of our charter.
I spoke briefly about environmental protection. Uh the council is authorized by charter to adopt countywide ordinances on the environment and it gives examples of things that can be enacted which have been enacted. Tree protection, aquifer
protection, storm water management, wastewater management, river and waterway protection, hazardous waste disposal, wetlands protection, beach and dune protection and air pollution protection. Now I'll say I say that uh
there are a number of subjects as to the environment land use that have been regulated by the legislature were preempted. Preempted just a fancy way of saying the legislature is addressing that subject and we do not address it. Um public beach access is a very big one
uh in the charter. We have beach driving in Valuchia County because our charter allowed for beach driving. The legislature has prohibited beach driving around the state and grandfathered in those jurisdictions that allowed it in their charter. Valuchia County being I
would say the largest example of that. It also authorizes the county council to adopt a unified beach code uh to address pedestrian safety, vehicle access and fees, operation of vehicles, commercial
use of the beach and individual conduct. What it doesn't do is it has not transferred the services that are offered by cities uh when that a beach is within a city because that's a transfer of service. So, for example, law enforcement, city law enforcement
can still go on the beach, issue tickets for violations. If it were a transfer of service, if that law enforcement authority were taken away, it would require a dual referenda of both the residents of that city and Valia County residents. So the
simplest way is the council has regulatory authority over the beach and the cities still have the authority to provide services. School planning. Um in 2006, Felia voters approved a school planning amendment to the charter
that exists because of our charter term limits. Um, we it's been a popular subject that's been addressed by the legislature and has failed, but your charter provides term limitments of eight consecutive years.
Um, it also provides a salary cap on your county council members. And I failed to update the slide. I apologize. I had the 1819 figures, but your uh, county chair is capped at 60% of the
salary that the state provides. and your council members are capped at 50% of that salary. Every year, the state issues a handbook that provides what the salaries are based on population for your constitutional officers, including council members, tax collectors, and so
on. Uh, currently the chair salary applying the 60% cap is $67,394 and the council members are at 56,162. So the council members, for example, if
that were not in a charter, would have double of the pay of that amount. Uh the existence of a county chair that is also a creature of your charter. Uh in the absence of that, it would be someone who's elected or appointed by the fellow
council members. And lastly, nonpartisan elections. members of the county council do not run as a Republican or Democrat. They run on a nonpartisan basis because of the charter. Some history of our charter. Um it was
approved by countywide referendum in 1970. Um the charter government that exists today began January 1st of 1971 and it started with a 21 member citizens
committee to study uh a recommended charter over a 9-month period. Um and that your charter review you as a commission are appointed by the council every 10 years which has occurred since
1975 and every 10 years after that. Um some of the in looking at some of the history of why our charter was recommended from the study commission. There was a report they identified some
issues they were trying to tackle and recommend it to the voters for a charter. We used to have in county government five separate road departments, 17 independent taxing authorities operating independently of county government. We had a lack of
unified financial and budgeting procedures, a lack of a single head, ministry of head for county government being a county manager. We had numerous independent operations supported from fees such as zoning and building
operations. There was a concern that there was a lack of professionally trained personnel county government, a lack of a centralized purchasing system and there was a lack of a personnel system.
All those have been addressed by creation of your charter. Um, prior to 1970, uh, the structure of county government had been based upon the default structure in the state constitution.
uh in 1885. Our population at the time was about 6,900 people. So very different. Um prior to 1970, uh the report indicated that we relied on expediency and ingenuity to resolve
issues due to a lack of organization. And uh by 1970 the legislature had enacted over 600 special laws for Valia County to address different issues that would arise because the county government did not have the authority to
address those issues without the authority from the legislature and state statute books were uh not as um lengthy as they are today and it didn't address as many subjects. So sometimes you had to go to the legislature to address
something specific. Um I won't read this whole uh finding, but I thought the the quote was interesting from the 1970 report from the study commission. Um it indicated that a number of cities that existed at the
time had a council manager former government and their goal was to separate the legislative and administrative functions. Uh so the the council established policy and you had a
manager to implement that policy. Um, one of the chief aims of the study uh commission was uh to achieve having a single full-time executive to coordinate all the activities of county government.
uh to separate the legislative and administrative roles of a county government and also to change the name of the default name for a county uh governing body is a county commission. And they wanted to go they named it county
council and they explained in the report at the time they thought that that established that council was going to emphasize policy and it was something different than what they had had in the past. I would say that um a number of
every other charter county I'm aware of still operates under the name county commission. Um but I do think it was a reflection of what they were trying to achieve at the time. All right. Um the charter study commission favored
an appointed county manager over a politically elected independent administrative officer. you read the report at the time there was a lot of emphasis on that a lot of discussion because that was I would say probably the biggest change um that came from the
charter um the commission reasoned that a professional manager could be selected by the council on the basis of qualifications noting that an election is no guarantee of skilled administration if your county manager was not appointed by the commission also uh I would say it's you
could say this about my position uh your county manager, county attorney, if the council's not satisfied uh with the services being provided, they can remove that person. So, uh we I know county manager and county attorney, we
report to the will of the council, which is generally expressed as a majority unless there's a higher vote requirement on a particular issue. So that is a just an overview. I gotta got to put my fancy graphic up here. Uh does anybody have any questions on that
history? >> We're we're technically third, but we were the first adopted after the 1968 amendment to the Constitution. Um, Duvall and Miami date technically existed prior to us. Yeah.
>> So, I think both are true. Um, we were the first under the new constitution. >> Any other question for for Mr. >> Dyer? All right. >> Mike, thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> I just had one question. On your slide
15, I believe it was, it mentioned the use of the term council. >> Yes. and being it says larger and more representative. Uh was it in fact larger though than what preceded it >> prior to the charter county? >> Yeah, I'm just saying why did they use
the term larger? Because I I thought it was basically the same >> default size of a county commission and I should have addressed five and so it it has been expanded to seven. I think that's what they're referring to. And at that time the population was
significantly larger than when it had been five. But now of course it's even more significantly larger. >> Thanks. >> Yes sir. >> All right. >> Okay. Any other questions for Mr. Dyer >> Mr. Ms. I think going to talk about sunshine law next.
>> Okay. Very good. I think that moves us into item 5D overview of the sunshine law. >> Mr. Brown. >> Good evening Mr. Chair, Madame Vice, honorable members of the committee. I'm Russ Brown. I'm at the with the county attorney's office. I work for Mr. Dyer.
It's a pleasure to have you all tonight. Fortunately, I think I'm the only one that has something bad to say about Mr. Watts because I just learned if it's true, you're an Ohio State Buckeyes fan. Is that true? >> Absolutely not. >> Okay. As long as that's not true, we're still friends. >> Yeah. State.
>> All right. Somebody gave me bad gouge back there. All right. That's great. >> Um, with that, I'll go into sunshine since that's in the sunshine anyway. Um, is it up? There we go. Okay. So, I'm going to talk to you about the colorful topic tonight of three kind of
highlights. Sunshine, public records, and ethics. I talk fast. If you have any questions, please raise your hand. I also ask questions. Uh, give you an opportunity to talk at the end if you have any questions. But most of you have this uh have experiences throughout your careers in your public service, advisory
board, elected official, whatever the capacity may be. So, I'm sure you all are aware of it. Um so to start off uh Florida's government sunshine public records um for the sunshine it requires basically transparency of government for your
state right everything for local government and your advisory committees has to be in the sunshine where two or more members are gathered is supposed to be a notice meeting open to the public so they can come in and make comments before you make any decisions. There are three basic requirements. You
have meetings of the public boards or commissions. Must be open to the public. They must give reasonable notice. And you must take reasonable minutes, some type of minutes, right? So, those are pretty self-explanatory. I think when you walked in here, you probably saw a bulletin notice on the door. We put out
uh press releases. Uh Mr. Ryan Shop did a really good job with that and advertising and making sure the not the public is aware of the meeting. Additional considerations. um meetings of staff and between staff. If you've been on an elected body or an
advisory body and you get ready for an agenda or a meeting, staff traditionally meets one-on-one with elected official or at times an advisory committee member tells you about the meeting agenda that's coming up, gives you opportunity to talk. That's not a violation of sunshine because it's just you and staff
and not another elected official on the same board there. Um, you're not prohibited from discussing like as a member of this committee, if you wanted to talk to a council member, county council member about a topic, there's nothing that's not a violation
of sunshine because you're not a member of the same board. um you're not we're not allowed let's say or you're not allowed either to have somebody act as an intermediary to go between you and another committee member to say I'm going to do this you do that
you know act as a basically an intermediary or somebody to pull you on how you're going to vote and uh advisory committees are created pursuant to an ordinance or other law that is always subject to sunshine even if the decisions are not binding. So, um,
that's interesting. Uh, communications. So, communication about official business between board members that can violate sunshine law. So, it's not just you having a physical meeting in the corner at a coffee shop or whatever with another committee member. There are
other ways to violate sunshine. Email, text messages, social media, direct messaging, Snapchat, Twitter. I The only thing I'm on is LinkedIn. I'm still old school. I don't like social media. So, but just remember that if you engage in that type of conversation where a matter
by which you're going to make a decision is likely to come before your committee, that could be a violation, right? Um, social media concerns I just kind of talked about a little bit. All social media accounts, just be careful of that. They can be they're open to public record as well as sunshine law. even if
you do something in your private account that you think something is private. So, we're not going to give you in this capacity a government computer or a cell phone, but that doesn't mean that the document or the text message, whatever
you're creating is not subject to um well, I'm kind of skipping ahead public records, but is not uh subject to uh a sunshine violation if you're having that conversation, that text message with another committee member. So, just remember that. uh you can and those those things which
I'll talk about a little bit public records can be subject to a subpoena that somebody could move to try and get you to really you know show your personal phone if you say you don't have anything and they have some evidence that you do. So just be aware of that when you when you create records. Um
let's see meaning subject to sunshine. We kind of talked about this. There's no quorum requirement for the law to be applied. So you know again can just be two or more members in the same committee. You can have a violation if you're talking about a topic that's likely come to come before you for a meeting, excuse me, for a decision. Uh,
we talked about that and it says the law is construed to frustrate all evasive devices. That just means the law is construed to make everything as transparent as possible so that you can't evade trying to make a decision behind the scenes that otherwise members of the public should be able to come and
petition their government to hear them out before they make a decision. Um, no prohibition under sunshine law. board members gathering together socially. Talk about football, basket weaving, you're you hate the Buckeyes, whatever the case may be. Just stay away from
business that can uh come before the committee. >> Talked about reasonable notice a little bit. Um we take care of that. We'll tell you when the meetings are going to be, which is I think uh two topics down. You'll decide what meeting schedule you're going to have, those types of things. But Mr. Ryan and his staff and
and George staff will take care of noticing those. Um, we'll send emails out. We'll let you all know what's going on to make sure that there's uh send community information notices out. Make sure there's all kinds of notice in the public that they know what's going on. Um, this is a me. Okay. Public records.
All right. Public records. We talked about I talked about all those kind of things that can create a public record. Text message, social media, direct messaging, all those things can be on can create a public record. Just because it's on your private device doesn't mean it's not a public record if you're doing it to further the business by which
you're on the committee. So just remember that somebody asks you or puts in for a public record request. Um they may say hey in personal we've had it happen before personal devices. We'll ask a member do you have a something on your personal device? They say no. Okay. Usually it ends there. It could go
further. Somebody wanted to seek a subpoena to compel you to produce that if they thought you had something or sometimes like stuff life happens. You want to respond to somebody and you've done a little personal device. Nothing wrong with that. Just make sure you provide that if it's in a public records
request or that a good rule of thumb and we'll provide you, I believe, with an email. We're going to provide an email. I think it's in your packet anyway that again we're not giving you an email uh.org or email for Valuchia or a cell phone or a text message. You want to say
something, John? >> I was just going to say that the email address that we set up is VC Charter Review at valucia.org. It should be in some of your materials as well, but V as in Valuchia uh C County Charter Review
at.org. So, we've created an email house that if you use that for if you respond, if somebody writes into you, you know, a member of the public or whatever the case may be about a topic they want you to brooch in the committee or they send
you a text message. Um, you know, if you copy that text message after you get done, take a picture, you can send that email. If you're corresponding with somebody about uh something the committee could take up and it's a subject of a public records request, you can put that on the CC line so it
automatically gets historically captured and we've got that we take it out from you having to worry about going back through your records. Uh it's a second so did you want to say something? >> Yeah, I um we'll make sure this is that email address is emailed to you again at the end of this meeting so you have it.
U that's just a resource for you. I I think what I have found helpful is you if you come across something that say somebody sends you a text message and says uh Jim I can't believe Mark Watts got elected as chair charter.
Uh that you would I what I'd recommend just take a screenshot of that with your camera, email it to that address and that way we have a record of everything. If we get a request uh we can produce it. We may not get a request, but I
think that and I think that's the same process you had 10 years ago. >> Curious that really >> technically. Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. So I you know I think same way with emails you can forward that
email on uh Yeah. I think that's just to help and protect you all because you may get approached by constituents. If you're having technical problems and you need help, we have staff here to help you, you know, so we can meet with you to do that. Don't worry about that. Um,
but the idea is have that address so you can be one repository for your public records. >> And I would if you if you even want to forward it to me, if you forget the email address, I'll make sure it gets into the historical archive. >> We don't have somebody comes to you.
That's not a public record conversation wouldn't be a wouldn't be a record. >> Yes sir. >> That that that's I think we have to direct communication to you instead of between ourselves. >> Yeah. >> Um that was my point if it's all this
emphasizes documents. So a a a communication in a textual form is a document whether it's electronic or not. So but a conversation is not. So that's the distinction. >> Yes sir. Yes sir. The first part was the sunshine talking about the conversation so you don't violate that. And then the second part is public records. Create
the record to talk about >> ask the commission to come up with a different uh a new example. >> Public record. Yes. >> Yes ma'am. >> Yeah. You create some form of writing >> in an abundance of caution, we would encourage you to
>> basically >> send that text >> basically any charter review business. >> Okay. >> Y >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> And moving on, uh ethics. Keep it quick and easy. Um you can see the ethics we
in Florida chapter 112 and then you got the state constitution basically you know you can't have a conflict you can't do anything in the interest of uh furthering your own self-interest when you when you take a vote right typically it's money or somebody in your family benefits uh those are generally the
conflicts from an ethical perspective if you have those issues I don't envision that's necessarily going to come up at all but if you have those issues please approach us beforehand if you think something's coming up that could impact your vote because you or a family member has some type of interest that you think
uh traditionally is pecuniary um would apply to them. Please come to us. We can help you navigate that. If you are quote recused or conflicted out, we have you basically required to you sign this form and then before the vote's taken, you're supposed to announce uh what your
conflict is and and we put on the record and then you recuse yourself if there is an actual conflict. They're few and far between. Um, you will hear in our county council meetings where council members step out when a vote gets taken and then you'll hear the chair ask the member, you know, to come back in and put on the
record how you voted. So, you can't leave a meeting because you don't want to vote. That's not a conflict or that's not a actual abstaining under the rule of law. That's just a rest and comfort breaks. When you come back in, you still have to vote. Unless you're conflicted
out, you are required to vote. I just want to be clear about that. Um, no gifts. That's self-explanatory. Um, and that's all I have unless anybody has any questions. >> Are there any other questions for Mr. Bratton? >> I I I would just say on this topic, uh,
there is a we have to go through training as lawyers to maintain their law license. Mark does the same thing. Jeb Clay did the same thing. This is one of the more commonly discussed topics of local government lawyers. There is a sunshine law seminar every year. It is
complicated. So if you feel it's complicated, don't feel bad. It is and we'll help navigate you through it. So thank you. Yes, sir. I had to deal with this before. The best advice if you question whether it's a violation, when
in doubt, don't. Just don't. If you think, well, I wonder if this is a violation, don't whatever it is, don't do it. Just don't do it. That way you don't have to worry about it. And I don't have Facebook. Instagram. I don't have any of that. In fact, I might go
back to a flip phone. But if you text like I mean your question was very good. But if you text about anything that could be remotely con to this committee, not John, what are you are you going fishing this Saturday? That didn't count. >> Then you got to save it and figure out a way to I have gonna have to learn how to
email it to y'all because I don't have any idea. But uh but when in doubt, dong. Like I see Ben and Dwight all the time. We didn't even ride together. He's my neighbor. We didn't I said we're not riding together. Somebody will say we talk now. We probably going to change that. But I'll need a designated driver
later on. But uh but I'm just saying just because we're together doesn't mean we're violating because we've already before before we even got appointed. I said if we get appointed we can't even hang out together if it appeared inappropriate. When in doubt, don't. If your wife adhered to that philosophy,
you'd be single. >> I think Judge Clayton raises raises a good point though, the perception. Just be aware of the perception and and be careful of that. There are ways to cure a sunshine violation um without it rising to a seconddegree misdemeanor or
civil penalty that you could get for an actual criminal or civil violation. But just there are ways to raise it. So just be aware of that. >> And with that, unless anybody has any questions, Mr. Chair, for your next item, we do have on uh rule on number three of your tab, I believe, is the rules of procedure that we drafted. If
you want to adopt those, you want us to amend them, however you want to proceed, sir. >> Okay. Thank you very much, Mr. Brown. Any other questions for Mr. Brown before you sit down? >> All right. Thank you, Russ. Um, as Russ alluded to, under uh 5e uh in tab three of the handbooks that were emailed or
sent out to us before the meeting, um there are draft rules of procedure um for the charter review commission. Um Mike, do you want to provide an overview of those or did you have anybody that wanted to provide an overview of those? >> Yeah. Um if we could. This was modeled
on the rules of procedure that were used 10 years ago. Correct. So uh you're doesn't mean you have to use them just means it's uh we replicated that for as a starting point of your discussion. Um first rule one all your meetings are
public. So all your meetings are going to be noticed. Uh you can have discussions with your colleagues. They have to be during a notice meeting on charter review business. Um two proposals for charter review. Um, it
provides a a mechanism for members of the public to submit feedback uh to you on possible proposals for charter review. John, I believe you've set up a a website for that, correct? Okay. So, that's
>> or a link a link that's Yes, sir. >> I noticed you use the in uh rule two the word should. Uh, so that implies to me that it's not required that the public use that. >> Yeah. I mean, you may have a constituent that approaches you uh about a subject.
This was just to make it as easy as possible for the public to >> Yeah. I just want to emphasize that they can communicate any way they choose. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Correct. Y >> Okay. Uh citizen participation. Uh we
just uh on each agenda before you vote there would be uh an opportunity for the public to speak as there is on item six of tonight's agenda. Um that is a little bit more participation than what is required technically before there's a
final vote on something. You're required to have a sunshine vote. But if you go to local government meetings, cities, county, uh all I have seen, they offer more public input than what is required and have a designated time on their
agenda for the public to do that. >> Rule four. Um yes, sir. >> Likewise, they do not have to give written do they do not have to advise in advance in writing. >> That's right. >> Again, that was just another should, but I just don't want anyone to think that anybody has to do that.
>> Yeah. um frequency meetings. I know the next item John is going to go over a proposed meeting schedule and we really replicated what the commission did 10 years ago, but you can change that. Um that there would be at least one meeting
each month. Um one thing I would say on this is uh and it's you're in the same boat that I think every other charter review has been. you have less than a year to deliver your final recommendations to
the county council. Really needs to be by end of May. Um and that time will go quickly. So it really depends on what you want to tackle. Uh if there are a particular issue that deserves more than a monthly meeting, I think we'll need to
have that discussion with you and schedule them. But the thought was if you meet at least once a month, um that was a kind of default you had 10 years ago as well. And >> and Mike, if I can just you just from experience and and what we did uh during at least the last charter review, there
were a number of topics that came up that required us to really form some committees. And I found that that was really a useful tool for us at the last commission meeting or commission, you know, review um to set up uh committees to kind of take some of that work and then report back to that monthly
meeting. So, you know, we can talk about it after we go through the overview of the rules if if we need to meet more frequently or if we're comfortable using that kind of type of a committee structure um to kind of get into the details on particular topics and then bring them back for those monthly meetings. >> Yes, that's a good point. Uh and I would
anticipate if you are uh I would say 20 years ago during that charter review there were a number of so committees I recall on different issues not as many 10 years ago really depends on what you tackle as a group. Um and rule five the
next kind of leads into that. Um the last last time you met here in the airport I think the idea was it was a central location countywide. that's right off Interstate uh system as well for convenience. Um and then
subcommittee meetings were at the emergency operations comm sheriff center by the jail uh in Daytona as well as long as you're meeting in a public location that the public can access. you can meet there. But um
>> yeah, >> yeah. Yeah, there you go. >> I saw Mr. Clayton turned it off. >> Um this isn't a nice location, but I also think that in an effort to to be countywide, we should consider some
meetings on the west side of the county. I don't know if anybody else agrees with that, but I would think that we could set up in the Dand Chambers or County Chambers or set up at Deltona Center. They have a a very big
venue as well. But I I just think in kind of in fairness to the people in this commi in this county, which has grown significantly, >> that we need to consider doing >> meetings. >> I think it it's up to this commissioner where you want to meet. um we'll make
that happen. I would say uh this is the next item on the meeting. >> I would say this that's the next item on the agenda is setting that meeting schedule and locations and the listening sessions as well. So, um if we can uh kind of put a pin in that discussion until the next item um and then we can pick that back up and talk.
>> Okay. Uh rule six is just some general verbiage on calling of meetings. Um they can be called special meetings can be called by this commission or by the chair if not previously decided by the commission. Maybe an issue has come up
and the chair needs to call a meeting before you meet again. That would be an example. We will post uh on the website for CRC the agendas 5 to seven days in advance of each meeting the agenda also for the public and for you. Um
and we'll prepare the meeting notices for you. Uh, rule seven is just kind of a general structure on what an agenda would look like for this commission. Really nothing novel in that. Uh, it also includes a public participation period for each meeting. Um, minutes are
recorded uh for the meeting each meeting. So you basically have which is required by law. So you have a uh someone on staff actually prepares minutes and will put those on your next meeting agenda for you to approve. Um
there needs to be a physical quorum uh for you to conduct business and to vote. Um which means a majority of the council members. I know Mr. Parker and um Miss Bright cannot be here and send their
regrets and I realize you just uh things do happen and maybe have a trip planned or so on and you may miss a meeting. That's fine. As long as there's a as long as there's a physical majority here, you can meet. >> I ask a question about again.
>> I'm sorry. 10 years ago, we didn't we didn't have Zoom and I know a lot of commissions are going to allowing Zoom people to call on in on Zoom as long as there is a quorum of phys people physically there. Have do we have any
thought about Zoom? Are they are that going to be allowed or not? >> We don't have that set up here. If that's something you're interested and want us to pursue, we can. >> Not particularly, but I just raised it because it's new technology. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. As presented, the rule would
require physical presence for a vote. So, I mean, we can talk about that. You know, it is something that certainly during COVID we there were a lot of, you know, agencies that made that shift. Um, most are back to a in-person voting requirement now. Yeah, that was a popular topic at the beginning of COVID.
The governor had issued an executive order >> that allowed somebody's to meet virtually and that later expired. Um, so it was a short-term experiment I think in Florida. >> Um, uh, no proxy voting, which means uh, if
uh, Miss Wheeler was late for the meeting, she can't have uh, Miss Quietitech vote for her uh, at the meeting. Uh, I didn't want to pick on the chair again. Uh that you'll follow Robert's rules of order.
I would say that Robert's rules of order are helpful, but you have an experienced chair and I I don't think getting technical about rules of order are really necessary, but it does provide some structure if there's a dispute. Uh rule 12 duties of the chairman presides
at your meeting. Uh represents the commission at functions and activities. Uh is an exeicio basically means a non- voting member on any subcommittees or study committees that you would have. Um would make committee assignments uh an
appointment of chairman of committees. Call special meetings which we talked about and work with uh county staff on preparing the next agenda. uh duties of the vice chair would be basically to assume the functions of the chair if the the uh the chair was not
present. Uh vacancies would be filled by the county council and these are your rules and you can always vote to amend them. >> Okay. Thank you, Mike. Um, any other questions or or if not a motion on the
draft rules of procedure >> discussion or >> I move that we adopt the draft rules. >> Okay, got a motion to adopt. Second. All right, Sonobski. Did I get it close enough? >> Nick is great. >> Nick. >> Second by Nick. All right. All in favor?
>> I. >> Any opposed? All right. The rules stand adopted. Um, item F, we're going to move on to adoption of the committee uh, meeting schedule and the listening session schedule. I think you've got that on your binder from tonight.
>> Nope. Look under tab. Should be >> it's under the meeting dates tab on the in the fold. >> Okay. So, meeting dates, times. Um, you've got the proposed monthly meeting schedule. Um, this does propose to to have the meetings all scheduled in this
location um for the actual meeting uh meetings of the charter review commission and then listening sessions um around the county uh beginning September 9th in Deltona um September 11th in New Smyrna, September 15th in Orman Beach, September
17th at the Daytona Beach Library, and then September 22nd at the historic courthouse in Dant. Is there any discussion on the proposed meeting schedule and locations, Mr. Yeah. Nick? >> Yeah. Hey, um the only I have one
concern just about the December date is 15th. It's sort of moving into the holiday period. I was hoping if the maybe that could be moved up a week earlier or that could be considered. Doesn't have to necessarily be decided now because there's time. And then the other other one was September 9th for
the listening session in Deltona is less than a week um a week away. Um it seems to me it could be tacked on and still have plenty of time before our October meeting if we did it maybe the 25th of September or 24th and just the other the others give is more than a week but less
than a week is not in my mind something that may not on people's radar especially you Miss Nory was mentioned in the west side of the county. Um, so I just recommend moving that Deltona one to a date after this 22nd. >> Okay. Any other uh thoughts or
discussions on on those options? And Miss Nory, I know you wanted to talk about potentially scheduling some of the uh commission meetings in >> I'm open to what the group wants to do, but I think in fairness to uh the west side of the county where a number of us are from that we should look at opening
opportunities for people not to have to get on Interstate 4, just go at least on that side of the county to come over here. That's all. >> Okay. What are the >> question um >> to find what happens in a listening meeting and that for the public to
participate more what what is give me an example of what happens in the listening. >> So basically what I think the way we conducted it 10 years ago was essentially it was an opportunity for anybody that had thoughts on what we should be looking at or talking about in the course of the charter review commission's work uh to come out and provide input to the commission.
>> Yeah. We >> No, no votes by the commission at this >> We attend those. >> Yeah, you're invited. You do? >> Yes, >> we're we're all invited to attend. It's not something where attendance is mandatory if I recall kind of how we did it um you know 10 years ago. Um in fact,
I think we had four if I remember correctly last time. I was not able to make all of them. But um you know, I think we tried to have as many people from the commission at those meetings just to hear. Obviously, it's not something >> meetings. They will be geographically around >> that's correct. >> County. Yeah. The the citizens an
opportunity to address >> that's correct. We've got right now in this schedule there would be in Deltona, Newurn, Orman, Daytona, and in Dant >> and that was intended to reflect each of the five county council member districts. >> Yes, I um I share her concern about
that. that. But on the other, I'm from West Faluchia. Um, but this is a pretty convenient place to meet. >> Um, and I don't think it's difficult. I mean, Deltona is difficult, I guess, to get here in the long >> We're difficult. >> It's difficult to get to Deltona.
>> I'm not um I I would pref I mean, I really respect what you said that, but I I just meet all meet here and I have to drive the land. >> Yeah. Yeah, but as long as the listening meetings are out out and about the community, >> the the listening meetings are are out
and about as as currently listed. And >> I have a question on listening meetings, >> Mr. >> Does staff somebody from staff come back and make a presentation to the full committee on at the listening sessions because all of us won't be there. So, does somebody from staff
>> That's a good question. >> That will be um excuse me, Mr. Chair. I also wanted to know if there's minutes taken at the listening sessions or because if if >> speaking not >> Oh, okay. Sorry. >> Sorry, Mark. Um Suzanne. >> Yep. >> I also wanted to find out if there were
minutes taken because if if some people are not going to be there, how do they know what happened? >> Right. So, let's >> Yes. Uh meetings will be taken and Michael uh the intent would be for you to record those meetings as well. So, we'll we're recording all the meetings
and they'll be available to everybody uh about 24 hours after the meetings are held. >> Yeah. And and keep in mind as as members of the commission, those sessions are for you to get input because it's not a meeting of the commission. We're not going to be there having discussion with it or get into active conversation with
the constituents, but I think it's all intended just to receive that input. Um so um and minutes will be uh taken and published and we'll have videos of those uh also available. >> That's correct. >> Okay, >> Mr. Chair. Yes, I'd have to agree with Judge Clayton about having one
centralized location for our meetings. We are going out into the public and we're having listening opportunities in each one of the individual districts. But I think it's important that we set precedent and mirror council council meets in the same location every time so the citizens of the county know exactly
where we are on our public dates and we're not moving around. They're not having to change their routines. And Miss P, I have a tremendous amount of respect for you on this. I can't believe I'm disagreeing with you on something, but I really think we need need to be consistent and meet in the same location. We also have to think about
staff. Staff has a tremendous responsibility to us to be able to prepare the room. They're familiar with the location that they can bring all the equipment in. And so I'd have to agree with with the judge and you know, we'll stay here. You know, I don't it's not really a motion or anything. We're just
talking. I I feel it's more appropriate to meet here. Paul Roads lead to Daytona. >> Sure. >> Can I I'll make a motion >> if I can go back to Miss Nory and then I'll >> I just want to ask a question because that is a good point. Does all the stuff stay here? Do you or do you pack that up
and leave and go away? Not go away, but >> it does say here. Okay. Well, then I would withdraw my my discussion on doing them around the county. >> Okay. I'll recognize Ben. >> Do you need a motion? >> I do. >> I'll make a motion that we have our
meetings here absent exit circumstances >> and >> second that. >> Just for clarification, is the motion include the dates that are included in here or are there any revisions to the dates? And the listening sessions will remain where we have all the meetings. All the listening sessions remain where they were scheduled and we have our
normal meetings at this location. >> Okay. Is the second in agreement with that? >> Second. Yes. >> Okay. So the motion is for the proposed schedule as published in the in the handbook with the listening sessions as published >> discussion. >> Yeah. So um that's I would offer an amendment but again be regarding the
Deltona in particular because if you read the background that they did send earlier the the word two words that stood out to me about the listening sessions from the last round were sparsely attended and if you want to guarantee sparsely attended don't give pe the public much time to know about
it. So less than seven days is not in my mind reasonable. So if it's to me it's a small change to move the the earliest date to to make it a later date. >> Yeah. I I think the only thing that I will say is these have been published as part of the materials for the commission. So even though the date is
only you know a few days away is six days away this material has been out and published with those meeting dates. Mr. >> I could offer the solution that if if that in fact occurs uh >> to have another one. >> Yeah. The staff could go ahead
then. Yeah, then I would draw because >> I'll make sure it gets out. >> That makes That's No, that's a very reasonable solution. >> Yeah. And and I would be much more of a fan of having more meetings than than fewer than you know if we need to have another one because we don't get the attendance, we can >> would relay in case it's helpful to the
commission. Mr. Ryan uh relayed to me that these have been noticed contingent on you approving it. >> Right. So, so in that vein, we have a motion and a second um to approve the the slate of meetings and locations that are in our materials. Um any further
discussion? >> Yeah, Mr. Chair, is there anything that prevents us from adding to the listing dates at a later point in time? >> No, we can update that soon as long as they're properly noticed. >> So, we could go ahead and move forward with a motion approving the dates that are currently listed and published and then always add to be able to go to
Deltona or any other locations. Correct. is it is sparsely attended. We decide, you know what, we want to go back to Deltona. We want to listen again. So, we just we add another date to it. Correct. And I think that would resolve >> and you might find based on the subjects that you get talking about, right?
>> Might require more listening. >> You know, the these are general and then you're going to get into possibly later on uh interest that's generated from what you're talking about might require more listening sessions at that time. >> Agreed. I think that's a key point. This is the start. That was exactly I like
that idea actually because once we get like midway through or or towards the end of our job that we then go back out I think that would be a good a good way to do it. Go back out and say okay here's what we're >> presenting or here's what we're thinking
of tell us what you think. So I I like that idea. Maybe adding a second set of listening sessions to the agenda. >> Yeah. We don't need to do I think we we certainly have the discretion to do that as we as we see how it evolves. So, any further discussion? >> Well, that then the other other um would
be to change the December 15th to December 8th just because it's gets rid of the holiday. >> So, I've got a motion for the the slate of meetings right now and second. >> Are you offering amendment to the motion? >> That's correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying to change the it would be in a total agreement
except to change the 15th of December till the 8th because we were motion. That's my motion. That's what I meant to say. >> Okay. >> All right. I got a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I >> I. >> Any opposed? >> All right.
>> Got that done. Okay. Moving on to our general business. Um public participation. I assume we have cards. If uh anybody has filled out a card that wants to speak to the commission. Um, >> no, no public participation has been
carded, but you might have one standing up. >> Okay, sir, come on forward and if you would make sure to state your name and address for the record and fill out one of the forms that staff has um as you're getting ready to leave. >> Yeah, Joe Dubac, Venetian Bay in New Simra Beach. Um, as you may or may not
know, the city of New Simra Beach is at the same time as you are meeting convening an update to its com uh city charter. Uh, my question is, is what you're doing orchestrated with any of the charters within the community?
Uh secondly, uh I don't know about schedule when you are due to finish, but there is a question within New Simra Beach about uh putting it on the agenda for either a special election or a general election,
and there will be eight individual comments from just New Simrna Beach. If you add 15 on top of that, you're going to make it unwieldy for people who are voting. Uh thirdly, um
I think I know the answer, but uh public review of what you're doing. Are you making these proceedings u available for them to look at separately as they do in New Smyrna Beach? >> Yes. >> Okay. And uh I guess I had a fourth. Oh,
make sure that you do publish since it's a requirement for your meetings what the specific agendas are going to be for the next meeting. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Um and just to to address your points, I think that um you know, as we've kind of gone through, we
we do have a a specific schedule that's set forth with our meetings um with the final report coming from the commission due by May of next year. Um and then it goes to the county council for the county council to review and ultimately have hearings on any proposed amendments. So um and as we've gone
through, you know, kind of in the in the beginning of this meeting, all of these proceedings are noticed and open to the public and we invite you back. Uh anybody that wants to come and provide um you know, input and participation. So okay, any other members of the public that would like to speak, come on
forward. Name and address for the record, please. >> Thank you very much. And I think that you've assembled um as a resident a a great body here to >> if I can just get you to state your name and address. >> Oh, sorry. Dana Mcool, Deltona, Florida.
Um so, thank you all very much and I would like to encourage you as you move through as we move through this as a community together. One of the greatest uh one of the greatest presumed public threats right now in our community is an
assault on home rule. And as we move through this, please keep that in mind because we have a very vulnerable population right now that's angry. There are members of our cities and our county that are angry because they feel like they've been assaulted with state law coming down with state legislation. We
have a very jaded community at this time that's politically divided and we need to keep in mind being soft to that community because the community is kind of shut down right now because of all the public and all of the political
um agendas that go on within our community. There are distinctive um fractures in our community right now and this will be something uh what you're doing now is important to the people, for the people, of the people,
by the people. So, I would encourage you to really remember that as you move forth. I know that we have people that have served our community graciously, distinctively, and with honor. And and I would just ask to remember you're going to have nasty public comment. you know,
I'm pretty sure. Um, but in remembering that we do have a very hurt community right now. We have a very sarcastic and critical community. But I really do think that keeping that in mind moving through this process that uh the community when you bring them along,
they will they will soften. You're some smart people up here. I know most of you and I know how you have served honorably and and kind of sidestep some of that stuff. So please just remember that moving through um moving through this process who we
are serving who you are serving here um and keep in mind that they are just very vulnerable right now. So thank you. >> Thank you. >> Uh may I ask a question? >> Yes ma'am. >> Um Mr. Dyer Mike um can you
elaborate on the Senate Bill 180 which I believe uh Miss Mcool is referring to and if there's any other preeemptions that would preempt this committee because we really discussed that tonight. So, uh, you probably, if you haven't heard, uh, county council meetings, you
probably read the paper. There's been quite a bit of discussions on, um, the um, sample 180 that was passed by the Florida legislature on the last day of this regular session this year.
Um there's been um it was uh most of the bill was dealing with emergency management related issues. It provides some rather strong um preeemption meaning state control
taking away some local government land use authority for a period of time. And it in effect prohibits uh cities and counties in Florida till fall of 27 from
enacting any more burdensome or restrictive uh land development regulations, comp plan amendments, um site plans and the like related to development. Um, it also provides that
local governments would be preempted again if after that period of time for another one-year increment if a hurricane were to come within a 100 miles
and make landfall within 100 miles of your jurisdiction. So the county council has directed that and a number of other counties I understand are doing the same thing. They would like to see some legislative changes to that. I think some of the
discussion has been um that maybe the intent of 180 was to uh prevent local governments from changing those land development rules for a property damaged by a storm, but not every property. Now,
um there may be some legislators disagree with that, but that's kind of some of the discussion. Um some other uh local governments have talked about or voted to sue the state to challenge the statute. That's not the direction that
our county council has gone. But one of the important things of Senate Bill 180 uh that makes it so impactful, it prohibits a local government from proposing or adopting. So, not just adopt but propose these
more restrictive or burdensome rules. So, it really does uh have a strong impact on uh land development regulations uh in Florida. On tab uh four of your orientation
notebook, uh there is I if you haven't had a chance, I would encourage you just to skim it. It's one page. Um, and there's a scope of review of the charter review commission. And one of the things that's changed from 10 years ago,
there's been a state law that, and this is in addition to Senate 180, uh basically proposed charter amendments that preempt land use related matters like development orders, land development regulations, comp plans, or voluntary annexation
or cannot be placed directly on a ballot by this commission, but can by the governing body. Those are during normal times. Now with Senate Bill 180, we know we have additional restrictions beyond that. So that does narrow the scope.
However, whether Senate Bill 180 existed or not of what can be put on the ballot by this commission, that's different than 10 years ago. Okay. Did that answer your question? Okay.
All right. Are there any other members of the public that want to speak? >> Sure. I'll fill out the form. >> Thank you. Name and address for the record, please. >> Yes, Mike Paneattowski, Tomoka Farms Village, Tomoka Farms Road. So, u Mr. Dyer can probably comment on this, but SP 180 does uh take away a lot of home
rule, but tomorrow the county council members that elected you or appointed you to this commission will vote on amending chapter 72 of the code ordinances of Lush County. They will mark 51 items which now have to be
approved by special exception in land development, meaning um you've got to go before the county council or the PLDRC to have something constructed on your property. Tomorrow with the third reading of that, they're going to eliminate 51 of those
special exceptions. That means if I own property and I want to put a rock crusher, a cement plant, a school, a church, or a convenience store on my property, I can do it by right.
They're going to vote on that tomorrow. 51 special exceptions exceptions will go away. So that's even usurping more home rule and the county council is the are the ones doing it. So homeowners are going to lose their rights to protect their communities. There are 13 overlay
zones under the code uh the comprehensive plan of lush county. Those in essence will go away tomorrow at the third reading. In the Tmoka farms village, we've had our overlay zone since 2009. We work very hard for that to protect our rural character and
tomorrow that goes away and that means a lot and I'm sure there going to be a lot of people to speak in front of the county council tomorrow about this. So, that's even more things that you need to consider before you proceed with your work because we looked at the list earlier tonight of the things that you
guys or the the code or the charter protects. A lot of those were environmental and a lot of those are directly affected by SP 180 and by what the county council will do tomorrow on the third reading of chapter 72 of the code of ordinances. 51 special
exceptions go away. So I would encourage you to read that, read those items and just be aware of the things that are changing tomorrow. It's very important to us. It's important to Ostein, Enterprise, Seville, Samsula, and a lot of the other special overlay zones that
have worked hard to protect their communities. And I think that when this happens tomorrow, you'll see a lot of development, a lot of changes, and a lot of our rural character, even more so that is going away today, will be gone soon. So, I encourage you to review
that. Thank you for listening and I appreciate it. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you for being here. Thank you for your time. >> Anyone else, Nick? >> It is a point well taken because it is actually in our charge that we can review ordinances as well. So,
>> okay. Well, that's going to lead us in if there's no more public participation, that actually is going to lead us into our next top next topic, which is what should we talk about next time? Um so under uh 7A an agreement on the agenda items for the next meeting and and just
to kind of um maybe offer a thought to start the discussion on this um our next meeting will immediately follow all of the listening sessions um with the constituents uh of the county. And so, um, my thought, um, just as a as an
initial item is, um, we we probably ought to focus some of the the majority of the time at the next meeting on reviewing what's said at the listening sessions and coming up with agendas and potentially, you know, committee committee structure to work on some of the topics that are raised during that.
So, um, I'd entertain any thoughts about that. Um, and then any other topics, Miss Nor, you're recognized. Would this be the time if if we as a member of this commission have thoughts on a particular item to bring it up at that at that
meeting? Would you would like to see or discuss or >> George? I' I'd turn to you to see if you guys had any other um kind of proposed structure for the next meeting or if this is really just kind of open for discussion. >> Well, it's open for discussion. I mean
we uh you could use the next meeting to combine whatever comes from the listening sessions to with your own uh interests. >> Uh I would encourage everyone I'm sure you already have started looking at the charter >> uh previous charters have al committees
have also gone line by line area by area. I don't know if that's what you at this point want to do or do you want to just you know review it and say most of these are fine and if the public doesn't have an interest then maybe you don't worry about that section and concentrate
on the sections where there will be um that would >> public interest so I I think you miss Nory to to your point perhaps the way that we structure the meeting agenda for the next time would be to review and and go through kind of the key points from the listening sessions and then have as
the follow-on item any other areas of the charter that the members of the commission um feel need to be addressed so that um that way I don't know how much time all of you individually have spent looking through the charter leading into the meeting today um you know I've probably read it more than a a
lot of people just because of what I what I do but um I still need to go back through it and and look at you know things that may need to be updated um things of that nature so um if that kind of works as a rough structure Then I'd suggest we, you know, kind of
set the next agenda up as review of those listening sessions and the and the topics that come out of that and then discussion of topics that um and areas of of review from commission members >> and keep it kind of very simple. Yes, ma'am. >> Yeah. I I have to put out front right
away that I will not be at the next meeting. So, I want to make sure I get all this information. I happen to have a granddaughter getting married that day so that I will not be in town. I will just be returning for my daughter's wedding. So, yeah. >> Yeah. So, I want to make sure I get all the information.
>> Absolutely. >> Mr. Lewis, >> I think very important >> that we uh have these listening sessions before we start setting up any committees or anything else because we don't know what's on the minds of the public right now. We need to hear that before we move forward and then like
Nory said, we can bring other items that we may need to have concern at that point in time. So I think >> I think Miss Pad is 100% correct that we need to listen to the voters of Lucia County and the concerned citizens first and foremost
>> and so I would say that our next agenda needs to focus on that initially. >> You know try and compile as much as we can out of the listening sessions because that's who we represent >> and then perhaps in the latter third or latter half depending on what we come up with we can then start introducing some
of our ideas into the into the proposal as well. And I think that that's kind of the general consensus of what I'm hearing around the room at least from this side of the table and I'm half deaf. So, >> no, I I agree. I think it it lets us make the the next meeting really be the one where we're setting the agendas for
the following meetings in the work. >> Um so, um is there any other topics that anybody on the commission would like to see or are we good with kind of those two key areas? >> Okay. Yeah. Do we need a formal motion on that or we is that enough direction for step? That's enough direction and I I realize that there may be a number of
ideas that are presented to you. Ultimately, you can just you'll decide what to to get more information on. >> Sure. >> And many topics may require us to go back and get that information for you to prepare. >> Right. >> Is there a way to kind of weed out the public comments and because some of it
may be not within the scope of the charter commission. >> We'll work with John on that. it presented in a way that we want to convey the information that's been given but maybe can help organize it in that
way. So, you know, um there really uh is a number land use. I would say that's the biggest, you know, we topic uh where I've seen the state preempt local government power uh over the last 25 years, for example. But that doesn't
mean it's preempted everything either. >> And I think I think that would be key. I mean, I think as we've talked about, we will have all kind of the raw data. We'll have the minutes of those listening sessions as well, the videos to to review. But I think a summary that kind of focuses it in on and asking
staff to prepare that to present so that we can kind of see the areas that relate to different sections of the charter. That would be helpful. >> So, I'm getting a lot of head nods and agreement on that. So, >> I think that's the direction for our next meeting. So, >> sure. >> And just just to make sure. So, the only
change we really did today was just change the 15th to the 8th in December. >> Uh, no. Yes, >> that didn't >> that did not make that into that motion. >> Okay, I was that was what was confusing me. So, >> yeah, I think I think Mr. Johnson's statement was that he his motion was his
motion which was to move the >> meeting to suit you. >> That he just said that. See, that's that's what he said. He said it was amended to suit me. That's what I'm trying to clarify here. >> I I was on the same page as you, Mark. >> Yeah. >> Well, he did.
>> Yeah. I I took it as you were sticking with your original motion, not an amendment to the motion. >> I did. I was let you know that I was reason it was reasonable to make his amendment. >> I think the proper way to do this would be a motion for reconsideration of our meeting schedule >> because I'd like I really would like to be able to plan. >> Is there a motion to reconsider the
approval of the meeting schedule? >> So moved. >> Got a motion and second. All in favor of reconsidering say >> I. I. >> Any opposed? >> So >> all right. Is there a motion to adopt an amended? >> Okay. Is there a motion to adopt an amended meeting schedule that includes the change of the meeting to December
8th? >> So moved. >> Second. Second. >> Okay. >> I have a motion and a second. Uh all in fa any discussion on the motion >> we say December 8th. >> December 8th. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Any discussion on that? >> All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed?
>> Thank you very much. >> All right. We got that. Sorry for the miscommunication on that. >> That's why we'll let it run. >> Sure. It won't be the last. We'll we'll get through it. All right. Uh we are on other business. Is there any other business we need to discuss this evening? >> Um >> Mr. Chair, I just wanted to make sure
everybody saw the validated uh validations for your cars >> uh to make sure that you've got them u before you leave. >> Okay. And we thank you for those. Um >> one question I wanted to ask. I noticed in the past they had a secretary. M we don't have a secretary because we have
county staff recording things and Okay. Um the listening sessions will that be on YouTube or we'll be able to go back and watch that or do you know yet >> they be record >> will they be recorded? >> I don't have the minutes >> recorded
>> the audio we'll I'll work with John the audio of those meets we'll make sure on your CRC website. Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. If you could just make sure that we all know where to go look at those in case anybody misses those meetings. >> Thank you. >> All right. There being no other business. Um, in a in a parting word,
um, again, uh, thank you for for putting me in in this seat. Uh, I may curse some of you at the end of it, but in all in all seriousness, um, I've been around charter governments and home rule my entire life. Um, my dad always said that, you know, home rule governments were the laboratories of democracy. Um,
and so I I believe that. I think we this is a great opportunity for us to to serve the county. I appreciate you all for being here and your willingness to serve and thank uh all the staff members here and members of the public that are here uh to provide support and input. So with that, we'll be adjourned.