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meeting um it's good to see everybody here we will call the uh March 18 2025 valouch County council meeting to order at 402 um and we will start as we always do in just a minute I'm going to ask you to
stand you can stand if you care to for the invocation and um and then for the Pledge of Allegiance and I just want to let you know that uh if you if your faith group gr would like to participate in uh an invocation for any
of our meetings just U send an email to Carissa uh green um K green ata.org and she'll get you all set up um today we have uh Rabbi Paul Faulk from the aerial
Congregation of AR city um we're welcome to have him again if you want to come forward and let's uh stand for the invocation and the pledge AO hasay Our Father in heaven we come before you um first and foremost to give you
thanks help us father not take for granted so many of the blessings you you've poured out into our lives to be able to live in a country where we can express um and have freedoms to enjoy every single day for the resources you've given us in
regard to Valia County help us go back to the garden and understand our role of being able to tend and keep them um that the generations that come forward in the future will be able to enjoy them as well we thank you for the stewards in front of us that have offered their
lives and time to serve us um to serve this place and in this time we ask for your wisdom and your guidance as we go forward um again we thank you for all the blessings that you just pour out am me and am
me flag of the United States of America and to Republic for which it stands one nation one God indivisible liberty and justice for all having just said the pledge I want to
ask this question from County manager or anybody up here has anybody heard if the space station astronauts have landed on Earth yet are they still on the way I think they're still on the way nobody's heard I think it was going to be after
five between five and six six okay thanks it's an amazing feat okay if you would call the role Mr Santiago Mr Dempsey here Mr Johansson here Mr Kent Mr Reinhardt here Mr Robbins here
chair Brower here so we do have Quorum uh barely a quorum but uh we will start with public participation if you came to speak
please sign a card over there and we'll still get you in the first on the list is Mr Paul Richardson and when you come uh Paul knows this but just tell us where you are in the county you don't have to give your full address for safety reasons but
tell us uh what city town you live in so that your representative knows you're here and you have 3 minutes to a talk there is will be a u a timer on the screen and the monitor here please make sure the microphone is near your mouth
so we can hear you and Mr Richardson thank you for coming afternoon Council my name is Paul Richardson of the land we recently went from Standard Time to Daylight statement time everyone one hates this nonsense there's a huge movement to stay with theight savings
time but I think that mistake as you can see there are serious health concerns by sticking with the daylight savings time the detona Beach News Journal says the best quote economic arguments have been made have been used
to support daylight savings time however some of their claims have been undermined by further research and others turn out to be poorly documented pit those against the solid body of and supporting Standard Time which reachers have established promotes more and better equipped quality sleep as a
healthier option for most Americans and it should be clear Health wins a live Americans spend more money than dead ones and I've sent you the link to that uh News Journal article I hope you can read it in it's fulltime uh
but as you can see on the second slide this one right here Standard time is supported by a 2:1 margin it's high time that we end a daylight savings time uh and on a more personal I hope that you reappoint me to the cultural
Council uh I am 100% commitment to his mission there is nothing I won't do for the cultural Council unfortunately you will see less of me here I'm exploring the possibility of starting a new chapter in my life if you need me for anything about the cultureal council you
have my phone number and an email address and uh I I do appreciate you and if anytime you want to talk to me about the cultural Council or Miss please give me a call email me whatever you guys have it but
um thank you for your support and your uh generosity in this endeavor and God bless here we go uh God bless R County God Bless America and her Eternal Ally Israel
thank you thank you uh David Hill hello uh Dave Hill Miller Road here to talk about Miller Lake uh right now we're losing about 2 Ines of water a week without any help from the pump just uh 7 Days evaporation no rain 2 Ines a
week on March the 10th the city of Orange City received 47 of an inch of rain with that 47 in of rain Miller Lake Rose by an inch and I I went over in the rainstorm and stood there and tracked the water just to see where it was
coming from and where it was going that was just a typical summertime rain storm uh so I just want want you to know with the height that the water is at right now in Miller Lake typical
summertime rain is going to push that Lake up till to the top of Miller Road but if we get a storm we're going to go back underwater and it's going to be even higher this summer so I really feel a sense of urgency about doing something
we haven't heard from anybody from the last time we met with you we've heard nothing and it's been my experience if you hear nothing nothing's going on so I have a major concern about where we're headed um the the water in Miller Lake
is higher than it has ever been uh the water level is about a foot and a half from the top of Miller Road the islands and the Retention Ponds owned by lushi County all the trees are dead now uh these these islands used to be
people's backyards there's 50-year oak trees there that are dead so this is not normal the height of the water my point is vucha County approved the 2017 Royal Oaks permit you agreed to
let that water roll to Miller Lake you also had two additional permits for the dredging of Miller Lake and creating those retention bonds you agreed to take this water but you don't have the means to limit the
water there's the water is just free flowing to us you don't have any the ability to stop this water uh the 2017 permit there that was issued to Royal Oaks was supposed to be for a weir and outfall discharge pipe for
Royal Oaks that's what the permit says it's supposed to be for Royal Oaks it is much more than that the discharge pipe has storm water grates on the North and South sides of Tremont Drive these grates Tak in water from about 4.4 Acres
of rooftop and asphalt surface from the Big Big Lots Plaza including Treemont drive that has nothing to do with Royal Oaks so that's 4 Acres of water water please look at the permit I'm
asking you to look at the permit the 2017 permit that you all gave approval for and asked for a revocation thank you thank you Peggy [Music] Hill hi um good afternoon I'm Peggy Hill
I'm from Miller Road um we used to live across the street and a long distance from Miller Pond um it's currently still in my front yard um at the last council meeting you were shown a photo of Miller Lake taken from Miller Road it really
didn't show the severity of the flooding problem and why there's an urgent need for a solution as well as for pumping to be restarted to help with the immediate flooding thread so this photo is from the day after the last council meeting
and it shows Miller Road on the edge with the you can see where the water is and the second photo is from last Saturday the 15th taken I tried to get it in the same spot you can tell there's not um there's
little to no no change you can see the water's right almost exactly where it was almost 2 weeks prior um so during those 10 days we had that one rain 30 minutes on March 10th other than that it's been dry so little to no
change in the depth of the water um and then the last photo is the same spot oh okay this is the second photo that shows the how close it
was so the last photo here um you can see the the island in the background there that did David was talking about with the dead oak trees on it that's the fuchia county retention area with the island that they left so basically the
water hasn't changed much in two weeks um still no plan no real solution from the county and if the lake isn't taken down to pre 2017 level the huge amount of water that's still flowing
in um from east of 1792 if it's not stopped we won't need a hurricane to flood just a rainy season will do it for us uh the road will go under houses perhaps um it's imperative that we improve our situation immediately and
that this is prevented from happening again thank you thank you for your comments uh John Nicholson John they tell to Beach side couple of things I believe you all have oakd Boulevard at Daytona Beach um and
you might have A1A and Cardinal Drive uh in orand um when I went to eat breakfast uh 4:00 Sunday morning like I always do um the lights are within seconds um in green uh you I think have
7 Seconds at uh A1A and oakd if you need to turn you got 7 Seconds seconds and if you're traveling down A1A uh you get the Cardinal you have 6 seconds to make that light it people on Cardinal have 45
seconds to use a light but those on A1A have about uh 6 seconds so I think we need to look at that those those times are way too short uh secondly um I need you to help a little bit with Daytona Beach uh you have property on Beach
Street uh an item I think it's uh B uh with the traffic court that property is sitting empty um we're having a lot of development in that area so if you all would you use that property I think they
want to move the courthouse over to that property you had a um County building on that property um I would like you to sell the property on that faces uh Beach Street for condos because we absolutely
need bodies downtown we need uh income those uh condos would really uh add income both to the county and to the city uh third um you have an item $350,000 to elevate one house I know Don
made a comment uh about a year ago when we're we're we're renovating houses that are more than the house is worth so I don't know what the value of this house is but 350,000 is basically the new house so I'm wondering whether we're going to keep doing that and whether
it's waste of money uh the landfill I'm glad on item 11 that you're doing it annually because I hate waiting 20 30 years and say oh by the way we're so far behind we have to jack it up uh5 or $10 um and lastly Miller Lake um I've
seen these people here several times um it it's just unconscionable that they have to live like this they're they're stating that there's a problem we know that there's a problem um Tad has come up and said these are the reasons why it's happening we've got to find a
solution for these people because they can't live like that thank you Joshua Rivera hello good evening thank you for allowing me to speak I'm from Miller Road as well Josh Rivera um we're asking for help you know we come here we keep
on saying the same thing we're asking first please turn the pumps back on that was we were making progress with that that's not the andall beal that's not the ultimate solution but that can buy us some time if we do have another hurricane from completely
destroying everyone's property and houses and putting people's lives at risk uh Miller Lake has no capacity those pictures that were showing up there that Peggy showed Miller Road is barely not underwater so they pump they
were pumping it receded there's still other areas that completely flooded on private property Miller Road the water is barely not over Miller Road it's just barely to the side so that just shows you you know just a little hurricane or just regular
rain from the summer is going to it's going to overcome that we're asking to remove the 2017 permit Weir over Royal Oaks that has AOW water we're draining all the commercial properties on private property why is that allowed to happen it's not right
who's allowed it to happen why has it been going on so long it's affecting all of us tremendously the time to act is now hurricane season is going to be way too late we're asking for help now so we can get ahead of this and have some type of safety
net so that this is the same thing we're saying every time we come here what's a current plan to fix the flooding what are we going to do there's still no communication between us to you for from you guys to us as far as what's
the plan so that's very concerning and we're asking to stop putting our fam's lives at risk when we're driving on a road that they dumped 150 dump trucks of millings that's six foot over the road and there's water on
E either side you're putting people's lives at risk how safe is that if something happens to someone we have children in these vehicles you have moms that can't put their kids in car seats driving down the road you know it's it's 100% unacceptable not
safe and my other question is is our community being targeted is there a reason why this has been allowed to happen for so long and it's horrendous so is there a plan that we need to know about that's going on that's allowing
all this flooding to happen to our neighborhood because it it's unacceptable and it's it's just not right thank you thank you for your comments Tony Frank how to yall name's Tony I'm with the Miller Road gang um really not a lot
to say I I know you all get a lot of uh get tired of hearing it but the fact of the matter is uh and you have taken steps to help us when you dropped the millings when we were flooded couldn't drive down the road and we appreciate that but then you took the millings out didn't make no sense I don't know who
come up with that brain uh thought but uh when the rain start again we just like Josh said that that water's damn near level with the road in the low spots and you had the low spots covered you know so um I don't
understand it now uh the one thing that I haven't heard anything it like I say we don't get a lot of communication from y'all but uh we were flooded for 4 months we couldn't use the road without a temporary Road did nobody from the county call me and
tell me hey you know we'll lower your taxes a little bit cuz we really screwed you over by letting the water from the Orange City businesses just free flow into the lake then we got these bozos in in Orange City that say well that's natural flow natur flow that's a bunch of bull it's not natural flow when man
puts valves pipes and guides the water to a point that goes right into Miller Lake that's not natural flow that Community has been there for a lot of years since the Civil War there's Civil War uh Cemetery over on Shady somewhere in that area it's been around and it's
never had this kind of issue before it's because the other thing we were told that well we can't pump the water because it's against the law to pump water on other people's property well what's the same damn thing when y all route it to our Lake it's the same thing it ain't no different than pumping it
you don't have to turn a switch on when you just routed to flow into our Lake it's wrong y'all it's just wrong you know you know I don't understand because it it just the permit says if there's adverse conditions that this permit
causes I'm talking about the Royal Oaks permit that it will be addressed so why don't you all address it any reason no reason don't feel like it you got families living out there my property isn't worth squat if I wanted
to sell it move out of this County because it is the worst County for flooding in the State of Florida if not the country I was just really high up on both of them I couldn't do it because my property in work squat there is a person in the world that would come down Miller Road pass that horse ranch and buy
anything anything you couldn't give it away so my question is are you guys trying depreciate it so y'all pick it up and just make a big old retention Pond out of it cuz if you are make me an offer and I'll leave and I won't come to these meetings anymore bother you but yall need to grow a set of stones and do
something the first thing to do the first practical thing is stop the water coming in from all the businesses in Orange City that's all I got to say thank you for your for your comments uh Alec redner did you say m name yes sir okay
sorry Daytona Beach Shores former Republican Congressman linoln Diaz Bellard joined David meses in an opening ceremony for the Church of Scientology in Miami which we all know Scientology is a human trafficking family destroying cult byon Donald's and Congressman Le
and Diaz Bellard have been good friends for years before he died which makes me wonder what Donald's thinks about scientology and I think we know powerful influences of Scientology influence Florida the Florida GOP they've lobbied numerous
times against weed legalization and they promote wacko theories like narconon rundown drug programs that have killed dozens of people and have been shut down with numerous lawsuits so I say no to Donald's I much prefer Aaron Smith Levan for
governor there's also been a pattern in the United States with this diversity Equity inclusion justice system like if you're Wes Watson in Miami and you defend yourself against an aggressive by standing your ground and you get charged because you're white and
this also applies to Sophia rosing she also got charged because she's white free Sophia rosing I don't care for either party I think they're both diversity Equity inclusion and they're full of scientologists also Trump and these Maga
Scientology people they're really getting crazy you know I think they're trying to move against the Senate and Judiciary with these uh emergency power declarations under the alien and SED additions act and Thomas Jeffers uh Thomas Jefferson said no to the aliens seditions act because it creates this
speech where they call it sedici liable and Trump now has liability protection for his so-called emergency power declarations and I think he should be impeached because I think these magga people are really starting to go against the Senate Judiciary and that affects
checks and balances thank you make America great again no uh please no more outbursts in the in the chambers it's difficult enough uh Sarah is it Sarah Edwards
yes hello thanks so much for having me my name is Sarah Edwards and I am a public affairs specialist with the US small business administration and and I am in currently Daytona Beach Florida in belua County to help anybody impacted by
uh hurricane Milton or hurricane Helen we have recently extended our uh deadline for application to April the 27th and I'm just here to let everybody know um anybody who might have been impacted with their personal home or their business they can apply for our
loans like I said through April April the 27th um as they can apply in person we have a at um the UCF business incubator that's located at 601 Innovation Way in Daytona Beach Florida also anybody if you want
you can go to our website that's www.sba.gov disaster and you can apply that way um like I said it's for anyone who was impacted personally their home or their business as well as property damage and economic injury so feel free like I said to visit us in person at 6
one Innovation Way in Daytona Beach or go to our website www.sba.gov disaster thank you thank you for that update I appreciate it it's um Michael here Mr Communications did is this information updated on our
website there he is Michael Ryan yes thank you thank you okay uh Cindy Harris good evening thank you Council Cindy Harris new Smur Beach um that's great information from Sarah by the way um and
I'm here to support the Miller neighborhood Miller lake neighborhood but I don't want you to forget the other neighborhoods in fuchia County as well um I live in one of the neighborhoods on the east side over here in newa Beach that is also forgotten uh we live in a
bowl 25 ft above sea level and I just want to send out that reminder that there are other neighborhoods that are also forgotten that get flooded and continuously get flooded and we get forgotten as well there's so many people that get forgotten and although the SBA
is an awesome thing to get help when you have those economic damages but when you continuously have damages to your property that really you just can't afford anymore to repair and where do you go you've lived in this house for
over 50 years what do you going to do you're retired you've expended all of that money that you've saved up to live that American Dream what do you do it just keeps coming and coming and coming and we do need a solution we just got to have a solution so please don't forget
the other neighborhoods as well I understand them so well what they're going through I understand so well because I live it too there's so many people in this County being the number one County that floods in Florida and the seventh in the nation that's one list I don't want to be number one on
I'm sorry so we've got to come up with a solution somehow let's just brainstorm and get it done please thank you thank you and that concludes public participation for the beginning of the
meeting um so we will move to item one the approval of the agenda do I have a motion motion to approve motion to approve the agenda as written by Vice chair Reinhardt is there a second second
Johansson and second by Jake Johansson any comments all in favor say I I the agenda is approved 5 to zero we have a number of consent items and I'll just let the council know we
have uh uh one person who would like to speak on item P we also have a person here that would comment on item e only if any of us have questions on that item or if you wanted to pull it for any
reason so that said is there any items that Council would like to pull for a vote no is there any items anyone would like toh comment on or have staff comment on no that being the case in I will uh
ask for Connie Colby if you want to come and speak on um consent item P good afternoon Connie kby District 4 armman Beach um consent item p is a resolution
submitting an additional Transportation priority project application to the Fela flag Transportation organization why does it not say what this project is since all new project applications and letters of support for this unknown
project are due at the vft by March 31st of this year it leaves no time for input additionally it states that the priority process requires 10% of local match money on County Roads is this a
county road if so how much is it costing I'm assuming this has something to do with Avalon Park but it doesn't say um from the beginning of that project in the beginning um the developer said that he was going to take
out a $75 million bond to pray for Road improvements that would be approved by the city County sounds like that's not happening he was going to pay for replacement of the Aging two-lane bridge that would allow LPGA Boulevard West of
I95 to be widened from two to four lanes I'm taking all this information from newspaper articles at the time he favored construction of the new I 95 overpass that would allow Hand Avenue to be extended West to connect to
Avalon Park just for Avalon Park we did not need that he offered to contribute money to help pay for traffic improvements including a new four-lane bridge over the tamoka river and he was also willing to help pay for widening of the stretch of West Granada Boulevard
from Avalon Park to I95 the reality is none of that's happening the only roads of the developers is considering now are his internal roads and the entire County of Valu is expected to pick up a tab that's going to cost
probably close to $100 million for the bridge over the wetlands and nowhere it's going to go nowhere because Nova Road in Orman Beach it ends in a does not go all the way through to the river the developer going to make a huge
profit on the backs of the residents of Orman Beach and wrot the council voted to accept responsibility for that bridge without even knowing how much it's going to cost and putting that burden on the backs of the taxpayers of the entire
County it is mentioned that this plan was worked on with the City and County Traffic Engineers to create the road plan there were two years of talks with the parties we don't know who those parties were or the abing citizens or any residents who drive these roads
multiple times a day included the developer claims that he would do nothing to harm Daytona Beach nothing was mentioned about Orman Beach thank you thank you does anyone on the council at this point
have questions on item e there is a person here to deal with that no okay I'm not going to call you then because you said only if questions wherever uh Grady is you good with that Grady where are
you thank you thank you for coming in move to approved consent agenda we have a motion to approve the consent agenda as uh presented uh by Jake Johansson is there a second second by Vice chair
[Music] Reinhardt um pardon me you have a question on this okay okay uh questions or com comments Vice chair Matt Reinhardt I didn't know if somebody from public works could give an explanation as to item P to kind of
clarify for Miss kobby thank anybody else that's wondering good afternoon Council Jay Williams uh County Traffic engineer item P includes a new project which is an its project uh fiber optic cable which will
help us establish Communications between traffic signals that we maintain um so uh that project is on a combination of both County and state roads uh the majority of that project is within fdot's
jurisdiction um in addition uh I think there was some discussion about the match requirements um if it was solely on a county roadway there would be a match requirement in this case because it's primarily a fdot project uh us putting
it on the doing an application is more so just to facilitate the um funding of that project by fdot because it needs to be on the tp's priority list um so it's more of an administrative um effort for us to
coordinate with the fdot to advance this project Ergo whites involved with TPO yep thank you yes that was just an addition to the list yes y list has been around for a while yes and
um okay thank you okay consent agenda um all in favor is there unless there's any other questions or all in favor say I I any opposed and consent the agenda is approved 5 to zer
item three we will start getting to all the people in the audience uh item three confirmation of appointment of Aaron van cleek yes Mr chair as uh Aaron comes up
I am pleased to bring forward uh Aaron van cleek for Council confirmation uh this will be for the Department director of the Emergency Services uh Department of course which has Fire EMS and Emergency
Management Aaron uh has nearly 22 years of service here Luchia County began his career out at rhod and Bridge uh he's worked his way up through the ranks he's developed extensive knowledge through uh operational knowledge through positions at parks
recreation culture and of course most of you are familiar working with uh uh Aaron through the management and budget division uh he served as the deputy Finance director before uh accepting this interim Emergency Services director
position he has comprehensive understanding of of County operations and finance provides a strong foundation for leading uh Emergency Services initiatives while maintaining uh a fiscal responsibility uh his commitment to professional growth is evidenced by his
academic achievements he's earned both as bachelor's uh in business uh and a concentrate with a concentration in private sector and a master's degree in Business Administration uh he has a blend of practical experience upon multiple County
departments and his uniquely uh positions Aon to I think Implement uh The Innovation Innovative approaches that we need uh for emergency services Aaron would you take a few questions
first okay Vice chair Matt Reinhardt I just wanted to point out um his head got just a little bit bigger the whole time you're reading that so no um I I've never met anyone more dedicated to the county and to be
so familiar with so many aspects of the County so I commend you and and this is a huge role that you're taking up so uh back in the day these guys were under public protection and uh I think it was the right move to separate that and uh what a great guy to lead it so uh with
that being said unless there's any other comments from my colleagues I'd like to make a motion to approve okay we have a motion uh to approve your confirmation from second Johanson from Vice chair Reinhardt and a second from Jake Johansson I did have
one question we we all know you well because you've always made yourself accessible to the council during budget time and whatever time but I do have a question two degrees from where University of Phoenix of Phoenix mhm
good it wasn't he's not a gator but no if anybody wants to consider by heart okay be careful there's some seal he already made the motion he can't take it back there's some seminal there's some seminal in the room too prob everybody
makes their choice yeah I'm going to stop right there okay we have a motion to confirm and a second any other questions all in favor say I I I any opposed you
are confirmed congratulations thank you congratulations and you and you still wanted to speak just a minute okay real quick s Santiago's not here to motion you take five minutes I can take five um just really quickly uh I just want to
say for the for the past 22 years I've had the privilege of serving this County in various capacities uh watching it grow and evolve facing challenging challenges alongside remarkable people who make this community so special um there are so many people I can stand up here and thank uh who have helped me get
to where I'm at and so many memories that I can share along the way uh but I'll keep my comments really brief so we can move through the rest of the agenda it is with extreme uh excitement and humility and a great sense of responsibility that I am honored to accept this position as Emergency Services director and I look forward to
continuing to work with these amazing individuals of the Emergency Services Department I want to thank Council uh George and Suzanne for this opportunity I guarantee I will not let you down uh to George I cannot overstate the impact
that your leadership and mentorship has had on my career from day one uh George was the Road and Bridge director when I started so I I've had a lot of time to work with him your wisdom integrity and dedication to Public Service uh has shaped not only my professional
development but also my understanding of what it truly means to serve a community uh the respect I have for you runs deep and I hope to honor your example in this new role I also want to thank Ryan owski uh for the last five years five plus years uh of friendship and collaboration
with him we made a great team in the finance department and I've learned a lot from him I do have a large support system of family and friends that I'm extremely thankful for and I would be remiss not to acknowledge my parents who were both dedicated vucha County employees before retiring last year and
are here today um Mom and Dad you have always been my biggest supporters and the foundation upon which I've built my life and career the values of hard work and compassion that you instilled in me are the reason I am the man I am today and you two will always be my heroes I am so
lucky to have parents like you I also want to express my appreciation for a special person in my personal life who provides constant support and encouragement uh you know who you are and your love and belief in me gives me strength daily above all I thank God for putting me in the position to succeed
and for the opportunity to serve this community in a greater capacity thank you can we ask your parents to stand they're coming they're coming up for a picture uh I don't think we're doing pictures today we're not doing pictures move it
along no where's Pat okay I have congratulations I do have to say uh uh well first of all uh congratulations but I I am going to comment on uh his father because uh was
very app no but when we're talking about pumping and floods uh Mr van cleek out there uh did Yan's job during multiple floods and uh is very very familiar with
uh flooding and flooding especially in that particular area Miller Lake and down into de Barry and those areas for many years he operated most of the pumps and stuff that were in those areas delone undery uh especially when we were the Public Works agency that uh ran de and
Deltona back then so it's that very uh the guy's a oneman uh machine out there he was he's retired now and it doesn't surprise me that he produced such a hard worker is uh is Aaron so can we reinstate him just for the I'm
ask I was getting ready to go over there after the break and see what he's been up to yeah there didn't seem to be a lot of support for that did there okay thank you Aaron congratulations item four is another
confirmation Dr random matusak Mr County Manager you w to yes uh as as Dr matusak comes up uh this of course will be for the Department uh director position for public protection uh which includes of course
uh our Correctional uh area our uh animal control Beach and the medical examiner so quite a uh uh wide variety group here so Dr uh manusia holds ba
from from the University of Texas at Austin and a master's and PhD from Sam Houston University and an MPA from UCF uh Dr pusia held the position of assistant professor and graduate
coordinator at the University of Central Missouri served as an adjunct faculty for the Department of Criminal Justice at the University of Central Florida during your time of higher education Dr matusak engaged and work with practitioners and local and state
government and through these projects she discovered her passion for public service uh Randa joined vucha County in 2016 beginning as an administrative services manager for research and moved into the public protection
Administration in 2019 to assist with uh datadriven performance uh measurements and projects that we have in that department she is well-versed in the operations and management of public protections which uh originally did uh include the current emergency services
division uh when the department split Randa remained uh on the public protection side as the operations manager has been part of the management team supporting the department and its division since 2022 and on a little personal note uh when she's not working she enjoys
spending time with her husband Matt her two dogs EMT and Louie she enjoys music travel and scuba diving and of course which she probably has already started to figure out in her interim time she's not going to have a lot of time for that because uh these are very demanding uh
positions both uh emergency services and public protection very large very critical uh departments and I'm very uh excited uh Rand is an innovator and a great listener and uh just very proud to
present her for a conference information thank you and and before I call for a motion I'd like to give you an opportunity to speak but also to warn you that Matt Reinhardt has already got his name up here to to talk about I expected nothing less that's fine okay
Dr MEC oh for my comments yeah I just uh I'm I'm optimistically going to uh to say I am just so excited and to County uh Council and Council chair I'm just so excited about this opportunity
I am beyond thrilled and grateful and humbled by the fact that you would trust this department and the people in it to me um to Mr recton Wald and Miss kin thank you so much for the support and the guidance that you've provided me over the past several months in my role
as interim and really beyond that since I started here um in the in the county and specifically with public protection uh to kind of throw back to when I was a professor when students were graduating at they would always complain about having to go to graduation and I would tell them listen graduation isn't for
you it's for everybody that helped you get there and so I couldn't help but think of that during this time preparing for this meeting to be able to acknowledge the people that got me here so for um the prior Department directors Joe poo and Mark Swanson who taught me
invaluable lessons about leadership and really a passion for public service my frankly peer mentor Susie Darby who puts up with all of the wild ideas that I kind of throw her away and sometimes tempers them a little bit uh I have the greatest support team in public
protection Administration with Michelle McAllister and Denise kazinski and I've heard you say before that George does a really great job in hiring the right people and that could not be more true than it is for our department and the division directors in our department for
Angela MMA Tammy MERS Joe deore Dr fure Carlo Orosco and everybody that works in public protection uh those division directors are at the Pinnacle of their careers they are absolute experts in their field and I trust them with the
information that they provide me I couldn't ask for more uh and really for the entire team with public protection I have just been so excited to work with them and have absolutely loved every minute and opportunity to learn from
them uh like uh Aaron I would be um shamed honestly if I didn't recognize to my family who's here with me today my parents clay and Jee Embry are here uh who have been with me forever obviously um but then also my husband Matt who has
been supportive of me since we met in our uh doctoral program at Sam Houston State so um he's put up with a lot along the way so I just appreciate him so much for that uh and I just very much look forward to continuing to work with uh with all of you and with everybody in
the county and it it is uh my absolute pleasure and honor to do everything I can every day to serve the people of this County great can we ask your family to stand before Matt does uh my monologue that's my mom and dad and
Matt congratulations and it's good to see Mark Swanson in the back welcome and did Joe make it I don't think he made it today but okay yeah all right very good uh here it comes Matt Reinhardt thank you chair I remember when this young lady
was brought in uh two Corrections and seeing first off there I don't think there's anybody more excited besides your parents and your husband than that man standing back there for you Mr Swanson um who kind of gave you that that path
um and I wondered I always wonder you know in that in that line of work and Corrections you always wonder about the person on the outside coming in to take over that Division and I am so confident in the fact that you're going to take this to the next level I really and those aren't just words so
um I'm very excited to see what we'll bring you have been nothing but receptive to any of the ideas that I've thrown at you I know I bring it up every meeting and I'm going to continue to bring it up but you have some of the most awesome people working for you yes
and I can say that because I know them and and so I look forward to what you bring I look forward to what again what level you take the county to and um hook them horns and that being said if there's no objection uh I'd like to uh
make a motion for the acceptance of Dr random enthusiatic for director of public protection and the second is by councilman Robinson what's that call you Robinson just be glad I called you okay uh councilman Danny Robbins
makes the second um thank you for your words it's interesting to hear thank you for your uh a long career already U there's uh public protection is one of the most important things that that we do and
Matt if you can bring up um Corrections every meeting I'm going to start bringing up uh Beach safety and uh and promote them so thank you all for coming to support her as well uh all is there any other questions
all in favor uh of this confirmation please say I I any opposed and you are confirmed 5 to zero thank you okay and now for the next big crowd that I see in the room the confirmation of appointment of Scott Olen to the
position of division director Veterans Services yes service chair uh I'd like to introduce and bring forward uh Scott Olen for confirmation for our uh veteran services division
director uh Scott uh came to us uh was born and raised in Southern California kind of has that California look uh in 2005 uh he enlisted in the United States
Marine Corps as an infantryman and uh he completed four combat tours in Iraq and in the Southwest Asia theater well thank you for your service and following his deployment Scott served as an instructor
at the non-commissioned officers Academy in 29 Palms California after leaving the Marine Corps in 2014 Scott transitioned into veteran advocacy joining vucha County veteran services in 2018 as a Veterans
Services officer uh Scott also he has his bachelor's degree and he now serves as the interim veteran services director continuing his commitment to supporting fellow veterans I can say uh uh in the
community I hear many many good things uh coming out already with Scott uh and he lives here in Dand with his wife Shaina Olsen and their four children and I'm very excited to bring him forth for
confirmation thank you very much um would you like to speak first or do you want us to speak you know what I I will go ahead and I will I'll take a quick 60 seconds uh to George and Suzanne uh please please accept my sincere gratitude for the opportunity to not
only serve our County but our nation's Heroes as a veteran services director um to Brad bbau our community services department director sir thank you for your steadfast leadership and your mentorship and to my wife and kids I
love you thank you for your support and your unconditional love as we navigate the public service leadership as a family and to the best veteran services team in the state and I I don't say that lightly uh these guys behind me I truly
appreciate your hard work uh your dedication and the veterans in our community and to our County Council I am committed to your strategic goals of enhancing our operational efficiencies approving the customer service experience and providing responsive and
fiscally responsible services to our community so everybody here in the audience uh thank you all for your support I truly appreciate it thank you very much uh councilman Jake Johansson mat mat it's kind of like the
prison when it comes to Veterans right so you know when when Scott mentioned family he looked in the second row at his family but the guys in the first row are the ones that are choked up right got another guy uh
about to lead the team I uh very much appreciate everything Scott that you do uh that Bob did that your team does um it's it's a bunch of guys right now is that right all all males but um uh
you have had females in the past I know one of them helped me get where I am so so I know um but I don't say we're born with public service in our bones but we learned it pretty quick in boot camp right and we
lived it for our time in uniform and and to be able to to continue that it's not easy but to be able to continue it is is uh is something that we take that humble Pride about so I appreciate everything that every one of you do uh for every
person you help including citizens outside that have problems with their cars and have medical conditions and all that stuff um uh I like everything you do Scott you were on on the radio I well
I don't know if it was recorded but I heard you last Friday uh some were good some are bad but but yours was good no they've never been bad but um um and and when I go around and go to VFW and the legions and and talk to sailor soldiers
and Airmen um nobody has any they they complain about the VA they complain about the military I have never heard anybody say anything bad about Valia County veteran services so I appreciate
everything every one of you present and past have done thank you very much for your continued service that's all I have well well done um Jake I just wanted to say one thing and
I really don't want this to sound like hyper hyperbole or but what when I when we all listen to what you've already done and we hear about your service to our country Time After Time After Time
After Time putting yourself in danger to Pro protect our Liberty um you and the men like you are a national hero and that is you you can't not recognize that but I am wondering with all of that service why
you need so many bodyguards here so uh thank you um do we have a motion we have a motion to approve uh by councilman Robbins and the second by councilman Joe Hanson any other
questions comments all in favor say I I any opposed and you are confirmed unanimously congratulations so much thank you so my wife would not be happy if we did not get a picture before we left so
okay and your children are here the children it's always about the kids here come on yeah come on up the right angle the podium there okay yeah perfect right
all right six confirmation of appointment of Nicholas Ventura George reonal would you like to introduce him yes this is uh my pleasure to bring forth Nick Ventura for confirmation uh as the the director the
division director of building and code Administration uh Nick is an experienced uh Deputy building official and code administ rator professional with a proven track record and building department operations plans review and inspections he has served over 15 years
uh he was an electrician uh he worked five years in public works three years as a building inspector and plans examiner with the city of Daytona Beach two years is the building official for the city of South Daytona and two years with fuchia County
Building Division as the deputy building official he holds multiple state licenses and brings a deep understanding of Code Compliance and construction standards his leadership experience includes uh serving as the lead
electrician for Co CTO electric uh Administration uh excuse me assistant supervisor for Public Works of the city of Daytona Beach building official for the city of Daytona Beach and the deputy building official uh and interim building
director for uh bla County uh he has an in-depth knowledge of both commercial and residential building SE uh systems he uh great knowledge of construction practices the County's building regulations and growth patterns and Community needs he was born and
raised in Valia County he is committed to ensuring safety efficiency and compliance in building operations with the goal of being the best building department in the area so I'm happy to bring forth Nick bentura I thought you were jumping right in uh
Nick go ahead if you'd like to speak yeah just say a few words um a lot of my friends say I'm the man of the few words so I'll just say a few things I just want to say uh thank you to George and Suzanne um for the
opportunity in this Council um my wife and family for the support there in the third row and uh my awesome staff back there wow for all their support the former Chief Building official Carrie linger for his
support um it's it it it's um I'm I'm excited to serve as the next building official for vucha County and um serve the residents and born and raised here so I'm pretty familiar with vucha
County thank you well done thank you uh councilman Jake Johansson thank you sir Nick I notic um Carrie's arms are behind his back did it did the cops bring him in from the prison
or so I I I know that's a tough job and and I know that uh not many people come in with a big smile on their face and a hug telling you that uh you did them right so um you know you have an obligation and and Carrie used to remind
me every day in Portal and even here that that the the rules you kind of follow are mostly not ours uh when it comes to building official stuff so um you know do your best to to
come up with more innovative ways as technology gets better to to get your job done as efficiently and as effectively as possible um but keep following the rules are there for a reason so I appreciate everything you're about to get into well you've been getting into it but uh and uh uh
following car's footsteps thank you very much thank you thank you Jake before I ask for a motion can I ask your family to stand and we can recognize them thank you thank you for coming [Applause]
in is there a motion motion to approve chair have motion to approve by Vice chair Reinhardt I'm not sure which one second by Jake Johansson any other questions all in favor of confirmation of appointment of
Nicholas Ventura please say I I and he opposed and you are confirmed unanimously congratulations thank you isn't isn't that the position that may require bodyguards [Music] okay okay you were the motion and Jake
was a second okay item seven confirmation of appointment of Veronica black to the position of division director management and budget yes sir Mr chair very uh big pleasure here to bring
forth Veronica black is uh our division director uh position of budget director uh Veronica black uh brings over 15 years of Prof professional financial management experience across
both governmental and educational institutions she notably uh spent over 10 years at Daytona State College as the budget director where she managed planning and development of the annual operating budget collaborating with leadership to develop institutional
budgets as well as prepared financial statements her career path shows consistent growth and responsibility and expertise in governmental accounting budgeting and financial reporting uh Veronica holds both an MBA
and a bachelor's degree in administration she's also a certified government financial officer bringing professional credibility and specialized knowledge to this position and as Ryan will attest that's a very important part
of that uh pre she previously served with us as the assistant accounting director before accepting the uh interim management and budget director position that she's been in and we're very excited to uh have her uh join the team
at the division head level so congratulations and I bring her forth for your confirmation great Veronica welcome you um say a few words to the council sure um I just want to say first I'm very grateful for this opportunity I'd like
to thank Mr renald and Miss conin for your vote of confidence look forward to working with both of you um I would like to express my appreciation to Trudy Murdoch who recruited me uh to Lyn uice for bringing me on board as assistant accounting director to Ryan osowski for
the opportunity to serve in this Advanced capacity your support and mentorship has have been invaluable um I also would like to thank my uh budget staff for their support and patience over the last few months um I'm honored to work alongside such talented
individuals and finally I'd like to thank my family my husband John who continues to be my biggest supporter encouraging me and celebrating every Milestone along the way to my three children Angelina Adare and Bella who have shown patience and understanding
when work demanded my attention who smiles and hugs have provided the perfect reminder of what matters the most and to my parents for instilling hard work integrity and perseverance who which has brought me here today your support and wisdom have shaped not only
my career but the person I am I could not have made this journey with every one of them thank you thank you very very much um Vice chair Matt Reinhardt thank you chair I just have to ask which one's Bella I knew it as soon as you
said Bella she went it's me so definitely that that was awesome so and if you want to invite their family yeah with the family please stand and I'm not going to mention who your dad is because I want your confirmation
to go well ah and if no objection Mr chair I'd like to make a motion to approve second Johansson MCE chair Matt Ryan makes a motion to approve seconded by councilman Joe Hansen any other
comments I'll make one comment since I teased your dad he he is one of the hardest working men I have ever seen serves on a board for our County that's incredibly busy and Incredibly important and it gives me great encouragement to
know that you come from that family so um welcome all in favor of Veronica black please say I I I any opposed you are confirmed unanimously thank [Applause]
you good yeah Ronnie two steps to your right good congratulations [Applause] guys okay we will continue as the chamber clears out with item 8 the 2025
Echo Grant cycle award recommendations uh Dr bball yes sir uh council members before you are four uh Echo grants that are scored 80 or above um in the cycle that was reviewed and recommended to you by the echo advisory
Council um those of you that were here you know and when we were first elected we talked a lot about nonprofits and providing them access um to Echo dollars um this shows success in that category where we have uh three nonprofits and one municipality who've applied for the
funding uh in this cycle so glad to answer any questions you may have about the projects process or cycle motion to approve we have a motion to approve as uh presented by uh councilman Robbins
and the second was by Jake Johanson and we do have one uh member of the public who would like to speak uh city manager of Deber Carmen welcome thank thank you uh I didn't
expect a motion this quickly but I just want to respect the process thank you very much for your support and partnership we appreciate everything you do for the city of De Barry and thank you very much and appreciate your you're here car excuse me it's because you're here that's why I want so Qui okay we have a motion to approve in
a second any other comments from Council all in favor say I I any opposed and they are approved five to zero now item nine as another Changing of the
Guard approval of the award of Banyon Development Group LLC for affordable housing development funding all right good Carman Hall is going to do this one thank you good evening Carman Hall Community Assistance director so this agenda item is to
approve $1.7 million to Banyan Development Group this funding comes from federal and state grants that must be used towards affordable housing and it will develop 84 units of housing and this will leverage almost $32 million from other funding sources with the
return of investment of 18 to one there is an extensive presentation not extensive but a longer presentation if you'd like for me to go over theend agenda item in more detail or I'm here to answer any questions okay let's see what the uh council's um prerogative is uh don
Dempsey well I didn't have any questions for her so much as I had okay comment any questions directly for Carmen motion to approve second Johansson we have a motion to approve by
Vice chair Reinhardt and second by Jake Johansson um and for uh comments and debate uh councilman Don Dempsey yeah guys I'm just kind of being consistent with how I've been historically towards affordable housing development in our County um I I don't think the general
population wants more development I think we had a lot of people here during public comment this morning complaining about flooding which they equate to development there's been a lot of discussion about moratoriums against further development I'm not I voted against it but I don't know if I like
seeing taxpayer money regardless of where it's coming from going to incentivize more uh development um so there's three reasons why I'm really kind of concerned about it one um I I believe like I've said before um I
believe that we're the housing market uh will just correct itself I uh found some articles from Yoo Yahoo finance quoting the Census Bureau in 2022 we had 300,000 new residents to the state of Florida
2023 that dwindled from 300,000 to 100,000 last year it's dwindled to 64,000 new residents so we've got 20% uh less or I'm sorry 80% less new residents than we' had two years ago um
so that's created the highest inventory of homes for sale ever in State history we have a record number of houses on the market for sale in 2022 the state had 40,000 houses we now have 170
approximately 170 houses 170,000 houses for sale in the market so it's quintupled quadrupled it's going up four times based on realtor.com and Redfin um so I think the Market's correcting itself I don't think we need
to add more housing 84 new dwellings when we have a record number of houses out there for sale right now that aren't selling I don't know if it's the government's function to to contribute to more development to compete with the private sector and putting even more
houses on the market um prices have come down um I just don't think it's our our our function as a government right now I think to go against what I believe is the will of the people to not have more development definitely not use their tax dollars um again to develop
more uh so that also I'm concerned about SunRail um we're developing this out by the the SunRail station I understand we all want SunRail to succeed I want to see it succeed I kind of agree with Ed Kelly though from 5 years ago in his sentiment that you know we should if at
all possible pull out a SunRail because uh he was a very big pessimist about the success of SunRail and I kind of share his sentiment 2036 is I believe our exit date when we can pull out and this is the first year where we're actually
going to test the waters and see how much this is going to impact fuchia County I think the projection is $10 to5 million I think it's going to even be higher than that so we have no way of knowing if this is something that the future Council in 2036 is going to even want to keep so
fast forward 11 years SunRail is a huge debacle and we went out in 11 years how fair is it to these Developers for the county to be creating this aura that this is going to be here for long term that this SunRail station is going to be
here 30 40 years from now so go ahead and keep developing this area when the future Council may end up pulling the rug out from under it in 11 years so I don't if a developer wants to do it buyer beware or Builder beware I just don't know if we should be putting
taxpayer money into an area that may be a ghost town in 11 years so that's the second reason why I'm against it um you know with the government building more affordable housing a lot of this inventory this huge amount of inventory
that we have these developers are sitting on homeowners are sitting on they may be forced to rent if they can't sell their properties to pay the mortgage or the service the debt I mean why would we want to create an environment of 84 competing
dwellings against these people who might be struggling to survive and their only way of even staying afloat is to rent these properties they actually wanted to sell so I just think I think it's bad timing for us to be adding more inventory to a glutted housing market
especially using taxpayer money especially in an area that may end up being a ghost town in 11 years if this SunRail thing does not work out the way we all hope it does but in reality it's a losing Venture we just don't know how much of a losing Venture it's going to
be so I think it's kind of premature to kick in taxpayer money into this right now so that's why I'm a no on this guys thanks thank you uh councilman Johansson thank you chairman I I concur with a lot of what you're saying every
time you say it um um but but where I think I differ a little bit in opinion is that the the homes that are being built now the apartments that are being built
now not in a uh a ship Home Affordable housing or Workforce housing environment are are a little bit out of the price range of of your um of your brand new RN your
uh your hospital workers your police officers your firefighters not not to yes your your prison workers my not not to mention all all the other people in the service community um you know you go to a hotel and and
your room gets uh checked every third day or only when you ask because they don't have enough people in town to to take care of your your rooms on a daily basis so so this type housing is giving those people a
place to live close to where they work as opposed to going somewhere else um additionally um as as you seen up in Tallahassee there are um there are
conservative lawmakers who are pushing affordable housing on us and I would prefer to do it in this capacity on our terms rather than having it shoved down our throat with the uh live pardon me
the live local act um and and have people just come in and start building it in places we don't want if it's where we want it which this is a place that I think would benefit uh then maybe there won't be a move to put it where we don't
want it which is right next to Industrial which could someday be a fuel Farm which could someday become a problem for the people that live there so this for me is is I don't want to call it the lesser of two evils but but a good compromise to get us where we
need to go keep some of those firefighters in the those those um um uh young police officers and and all the other um uh beginning wage people give them a place to stay for a few years
before they can afford that house that's going to be coming down in in price in the next few years so um uh I believe with the philosoph I live with the philosophy but but I have to compromise here and and this will be a yes vote for
me but but it it is a good argument Don thank you very much well I I got to tell you that's two of the best um arguments that I've heard thank you both for your input uh Matt Reinhardt
thank you chair and Don again I agree I I understand what you're saying I respect what you're saying totally understand where you're coming from but I also at the same time that you were saying that and I'm going along the same lines as what Mr Johansson was saying um
the local act we're all familiar with and what's coming and and it's it's coming and a lot of the the um the strings that go along with that are are still attached and and that kind of scares me and then when I saw where
these housing or the apartments would be what is one of the biggest parts of affordable housing that that kind of constricts those individuals is transportation and we're putting them right near transportation to getting to and from work we don't want this to be
their forever home we want them to succeed the hand up not the hand out and I guess that's how I was looking at it and when we talked about Workforce housing and and yes you know two years ago sat right in the seat after being sworn in and we went through a list of
properties uh that the county was wanting to unload and I asked you guys there was one piece of property in District 2 it was a 20 acre spot and the vision I had was for affordable housing and and Carmen and Brad are very familiar with what I'm talking about and
I'm still we're still working on that and one of the things I identified is I wanted to be for affordable because I can tell you I was that single guy in law enforcement that couldn't afford it and I lived fortunately in a trailer in O steam because my parents owned it and
I was able to do that that's not everybody I see it today I see it the guys that are being employed today and we're we're giving them a great salary George thank you and we work through that but guess what they're still struggling so that's when I look at that the less of two evils you know the
balancing act that we got to we got to provide and we got to help them um the market is it has a lot of homes you're right there are a lot of homes out there uh I'm fortunate left to live in an area um now in Daytona that has a lot of really big homes a lot of nice
homes they're not selling because they're asking so much money for it and I don't know what their financial situation is I commend them the fact that they can sit on that with the prow turned on to be able to show the house and it's sitting there for months and months and months one house that I'm looking at right now we're on two years
it's been sitting with the power on it's not selling and they're not budging they're not budging the lady that owned it um she's not she doesn't have to and a lot of them are in that situation I don't know if that's the case for all of them but I wonder you know are they asking too much this is an opportunity
to give that that hand up not the hand out and so that's why I'm a yes on this thank you oh no um Don wants to speak again and I'll I'll let you speak right now I had all of this brought a question up for me for
Carmen go ahead um do you want to speak first do you this is I'm out of Step we're already done with questions anybody have an issue Carmen can you this is taxpayer dollars um but it's
a grant where's it come from so there's two funding source one is the federal government for um home funds and then the other is our state Housing Initiative partnership program ship so both must be used for the development or Rehabilitation of affordable housing and
that's our only choice correct and um you are exactly right both of you of what's happening in Tallahassee right now and we're we're probably not going to like it we're going to be options are going to be taken away and we're going to be told what to do I just one other
question for you because I I refer a lot of people to you that call and ask for help do you is there a need for affordable housing in volia County so this particular project um it prioritizes those households that are at
80% of area median income and below and currently we have over 10,000 units in the negative for that income category higher income categories we have more units available but for those income categories that your lower income households for instance a family of
three that they could make up to 60,000 a year for their household and still be eligible for this housing so you are talking about people who are starting out in their careers maybe it's a single mom single father um smaller families that are making up to 60,000 a year that
would be eligible for this housing at 80% and Below there's currently a deficit of over for 10,000 units for that category do you have any idea is there any way to know when when we approve one of these projects are the residents that are moving there are they
locals or are they coming from some other state where housing is even worse right so we can't say if they are you know we can't make rules I know you can't discriminate against them I would say that a lot of them are moving in
this area or from this area um because there isn't enough housing for that specific category though but we could look into that okay uh thank you U councilman Dempsey I didn't know if I could ask Carman a follow-up question that just based on your question is that all right guys um Karm um and thank you
for what you do I do appreciate I don't always mean to be a stick in your side um but based on that $60,000 threshold what would be the acceptable rent level for that family of three so I don't I can pull that up hold
on a second um let me see if it's in here it's a sliding scale depending on the income threshold so right thank you okay I think you said the cap was 60,000 so let's just run with that so A family of three at
60,000 they would have to be under $1,700 $ a month in rent yeah okay and that would require a two-bedroom two bath MH home yes well I I two-bedroom two bath would I'm sorry a two-bedroom two bath would
be right under $1,500 1,500 well I I know of a $1400 a month unit that's been sitting available for months in the land that hasn't rented yet and I've talked to realtors that say that there's a glut of available apartments on the west side at
or below that range so just from my own lay experience because I rent to people it it seems like we have a surplus already at or below that threshold so I can say that our data comes from schimberg and they do these they do this study Statewide
and so specifically for vucha County they take in various factors it's not just rental units it is the private sector um also and they takeen all those factors when they come up with their numbers I I can't I don't personally come up with the number of the deficit number of units we rely on the shimberg
um their affiliate of University of Florida and so their number says that it's over 10,000 units thank you Carmen I appreciate it I didn't know if I could have my second comment added by time if that's okay you want to I'm getting a stink off
Jake but councilman Robinson denies it well no it's just I know just because I'm in the real estate market and I do rent and I know that uh 1,400 in the west side for a two-bedroom two bath is is market rate so we already have
affordable housing available without calling it affordable housing Matt I'm glad to see that you grew up in a trailer court at least through some part of your childhood I did too I grew up three or four years in a trailer park nothing wrong with it it's affordable housing and here we've got more trailer
parks in our County and the government is competing with those trailer parks the government is now going to be competing more with these private landlords who were trying to rent their places out for 1,400 a month or whatever it is there there's a glut of apartments available in the county is my
understanding based on my experience and talking to Realtors so I just don't see I mean if we were talking about 700 a month or 800 a month rent okay that's affordable but this seems to be just market rate and I just don't see where the government should be incentivizing
more development to basically create competition for established trailer parks or private uh apartment complexes let alone these develop these spec homes that have been built by ICI or whatever whoever the developers are and they're
sitting on them and they can't sell them so they're going to have to rent them to to cover the nut and so I just I don't think the timing is Right Jake your argument about afford the live local act I totally agree with you I mean that that scares the it scares me and it's a
great point but I just don't want to create more competition for the Pro private sector and that's why I'm I'm against this respectfully guys thanks councilman Robins thank you chair Miss Carmen
Hall you had quoted there's uh about a need for the 10,000 units do we have any data showing where those 10,000 10,000 families are staying now um I do not have data on that
however I can say a lot of times families they will double up sometimes multiple families or multi-generations will live together in overcrowded housing um sometimes you know they're living um in units that are more not affordable for them so then they're
sacrificing on other living expenses such as um food medications maybe extracurriculars for their children things like that in order to afford the more expensive units and and do we have any at our local level with our programs are we able to identify the the true
need for affordable housing versus we're seeing that the applicants do the applicants have an affordability issue or do they have a spending issue where they need something affordable do we even look at some of that stuff so we're
looking at household income as a whole um and so we don't necessarily look at what they're expending however the larger the household the higher income you can have so it is really low thresholds um when you're looking at it these are the maximum a family of one
can't make $46,000 a year to qualify so even we're not looking at what they're expending their funds on however that are those are lower incomes and so just the cost of rent alone is taking up a huge chunk of that and that monthly income sure
okay thank you Carmen Brad did you have something one of the things I'll just say is um we we are turning to the private sector this is the Strategic public private partnership where we're partnering with a developer that's going to leverage $31 million in outside funding in our County which is going to
again um produce many jobs in our County in order to build this structure um you know the the naturally occurring is what schimberg calls it as naturally occurring affordable housing so they're taking that into account when they do
their analysis so the the you know the the homes that may be on the market are in that affordability kind of um space or segment those are being taken into account when they're doing um their analysis of vucha County and I will say
kudos to this Council because we've made progress when we started this with our affordable housing um Summit in 2022 we had an absence of about 13,800 units but through us continually providing these state and local Grant funds that are earmarked for this
approach we've got it down to about 10,500 so we're hopefully not going to have to do this forever um when we get to a point um or when wages catch up with rental growth remember we've talked about the growth of rent the growth of um housing buying a house has grown over
30% in the last 3 years in our community add that if you own a house insurance premiums have rosed 39% over the last four years so those are the things that we're looking at in the market right now and why folks need help and if you were to look at our list
of employees just in our County that make less than 46,000 it's a decent amount many other government public service jobs as well thanks BR uh chair yes are we into uh comments
yet or would you prefer to stay with um we don't have a motion yet you can we do we have a motion and a and a second um I I still have one more question that you guys keep uh
encouraging me anybody there if if the council turns this down what happens to the money what happens to us so the funds will have to go to another strategy um it can go to development of a different type of housing or it more than likely would go
to Rehabilitation of existing affordable housing so those are your homeowners um which we already have a a decent amount of funding allocated towards that strategy but it could go towards that too is there anybody here from banion Yes
um I'm really I don't want to put anybody on the spot but when I hear there's 84 units correct 1.7 million corre and the rents are 15 to 1,700 right so that is I would like to clarify that is the
maximum rent so if as the incomes of households goes go down then their rent is more affordable so that's the maximum that they can charge but if you have an extremely lowincome family that's at 30% their rent is going to be adjusted and will be more affordable for that
household okay because I I agree with Mr Dempsey that doesn't sound affordable to me the rates that I'm hearing that would be the would you yes you may thank you for being here appreciate it appreciate all of you um so there there's an average of
60% of Ami MH across the whole development so we'll have some units at 80 potentially 70 60 and down to 30% of area median income and the rents for those tenants cannot exceed
30% of that threshold so if it's 80% you said it's 60,000 a year excuse me the then then 30% of that maximum income level
would be the rent that could be charged so so you take 30% of the $60,000 over a 12-month period And so that would be the monthly rent and so that there's a sliding scale of of of different um Ami bands that W would
would make up the development and I don't have the numbers in front of me right now but but the average will end up being 6 60% Ami across the development between the 30s and the 40s 50s 60s 70s and 80% uh units okay so
there's a it tries to cover a cross-section thank you for that information for how many years 550 50 years Y and so so we're long term that's the longest I've heard so far on
affordable housing project and that would be because of the state yeah the state so just um to our pleasure um they changed the um the affordability period um for to 50 years about 2 years ago so of the things that
we bring before you as a 50-year affordability period um one of the things that your staff has done too as a strategic approach to these is we're partnering with folks like this who will get tax cuts at the state level as well um tax credits rather not cuts um but
what that does for us is it the state will be the one monitoring the affordability and hiring the contractors to do that uh for us so it takes us out of that long-term obligation of funding um now of course we could have some someone if we knew there were issues or
if we wanted to do it but um this is a strategic approach to align with a state program that will be doing the monitoring and compliance on a yearly basis to make sure that there's folks in those apartments that truly need them okay does it yes go ahead introduce
yourself I'm sorry EXC me Alexander kiss managing partner Bing Development Group um we've we've been here uh before on on some some previous uh uh types of funding and weren't lucky enough to um chain the award but we we want to do business in this County and
and believe in doing housing next to the SunRail station and hopes of of helping take cars off the roads and um finding decent places for people to live who are in in need of of housing um
the the funding that we would get it wouldn't be State uh tax credits it would be a federal income tax credit that we would leverage over a 10-year period and that what that's doing is getting private Equity into the deal and so then the private Equity comes in and
takes the federal tax credits over a 10-year period and that leverages a significant amount of equity funding to allow us to keep the debt at a manageable level to be able to serve it's all private debt as well um so that
we can keep the rents down and so that's the key funding that we would by the the county funding this money it would be a de facto approval or or ranking priority in the county level to getting the federal income tax credits that the
state allocates and so they look for the counties and the cities to prioritize a deal in the in that municipality or or County and and then that rises up to the level that um that it competes for goals at the state levels so the state they
administer and allocate federal income tax credits to Developers for specific projects and then we leverage private Equity funding typically from Banks and they take the income tax credits over a 10-year period
along with private debt and so it's a it's a significant amount of um of capital so this this 1.7 million will be essential to the development moving forward and um and we we would we would um welcome any additional comments or
feedback or or um uh guidance or anything that you guys would like to see in structuring it um and making it the development that you'd like to see in that area we'll continue to work with you guys um at every level one more question for you just if being rented
for 50 years if a resident calls their AC's out their Plumbing's not out do you manage the property or do you hire a management property company so there's four Partners to to our Bion Development Group two of them own and Manage
Property Management Company agpm and agpm has roughly 10,000 units that they manage throughout the state and the southeast and and the Atlantic and and all the way to Colorado at this point so
so we all manage together um but agpm is the property manager and the owner and they will see that and actually the owner is is made up of the ownership of Bing Development Group as well four principles um I'm just not part of the
property management group but um the uh they would respond and and and take care of the tenants at every level and um work with work work with them uh to to work with the AC and so we we actually provide the uh the hot water through um
an efficient gas power um boiler system that helps keep their utility costs down and um tenant would pay electricity and so but we would we would be heavily involved in in making sure it's an efficiently run and and and
everyone is happy so yes so we we'd be in it for the long haul um we'd have 15 years of compliance at the federal level for the tax credits okay thank you and Danny one last question this is really short did you have a question for him I had one
last question as well and then I'll I can say my closing uh Brad please can you clarify I heard some things about um um some taxes uh will these folks still pay property taxes yes uh are they going to be responsible for
paying the impact fees prop share in uh they have any tax credits or deferments so tax credit deferments no they get tax credits in exchange um tax credits is the the capital that they use
right in order to bring Equity to their deal so um in terms of impact fees and others um I would defer to growth and Resource Management I'm not sure if this Council if we did did we make the change
in terms of impact um to the some cases I I've seen them waved I want to make sure that I will I will say this to you councilman Robbins if there were was a deferral or waiver it would come back before this Council it's not granted today through any action you know
definitely for storm water prop share impact fees uh Brad but I I appreciate it guys and and just to to to kind of close this out this goes back I feel a lot the the way Don does and and I'll repeat a quote from uh from Ronald
Reagan I think I've said it before a government program is the closest thing to eternal life uh on this Earth You know there's some situations where we need this um um folks that are in extremely low poverty uh folks that are
special needs elderly folks that uh need certain things but when I hear 60,000 you know for an income and why I ask certain questions the way I do is because I know all of us including myself I lived on a lot less than that
growing up um you know and there's there's times where you you you have to work that 80 or 100 hours uh a week a lot of us have done it I I know I have um and and and I I want to promote more Independence uh unless
government dependents overall are philosophically um but I would honestly prefer that we start looking at these funds to go towards rehab until we have some of our other issues uh addressed
you know we have a lot of studies going on out there a lot of uh storm water upgrades and some other upgrades that we're all collectively working working on uh don I think you made a couple good good points but also too we wonder why and it goes into a whole another discussion about the the 30% in property
rise that's because of a much greater issue with inflation and just um printing money at will from the federal government so you know uh but I still I I still don't think that that other taxpayers should be responsible of it's hard enough carrying the weight of your own family I don't necessarily agree
that everybody else should carry the weight of of other their families and my families I have I have too much pride for that um but there's certain situations where I can um Bend as I noted noted earlier but but at the end of the day folks tax dollars are tax dollars um I just I don't think it's
wise to keep growing this uh in this manner uh especially with all the issues that we're that we're facing and uh that's it thanks thank you uh Deputy County Manager Suzanne kin um and when you're speaking if you have any
additional information on how this on Danny's question how it impact how it affects impact fees and property taxes if at all if you know I think I would like to defer uh I don't know on the impact Fe is off the top of my head as
far as property taxes go uh there are Provisions for live local that preempt uh I believe our local government Authority on property tax exemption especially for units at this 80% and
below threshold we did opt out above 80% to 120 but they did not give local governments an option uh on that below at 80% and Below um the reason I I just asked to chime in is that I heard uh uh
the developer mention that the average of uh the units would be 60% average median income and rent so some could be as high as 80 others could be as low as 30% and so I looked up what the rent
thresholds at 60% would be since that would be the average rent uh that they're committing to and for a two-bedroom unit that's 1, $119 $932 for a one-bedroom unit so that that
would be I think what I'm hearing is the average rent uh could not be any higher than that so 1119 for a two-bedroom 932 for a one-bedroom and I just these are the most recent uh numbers from the Florida housing
uh Department thank you would I be able to clarify one additional Point yeah I think it'd be helpful yeah and we did not have any impact fee waivers or tax property tax exemptions in in our numbers another reason why your your
funding is critical in this case or the the grant funding is critical um I just want to make uh one point and and I totally agree self-sufficiency independency handup as opposed to handouts um that I think that's that's well stated um I just want to point out
that the low-income housing tax credit program was created federally during Reagan's Administration public private Partnerships was what they were trying to encourage um it's very um well supported in in Congress um bipartisan
um and and it works because it brings in capital um and and helps and helps um spurn um um growth and and and and wealth things of that nature for for local governments and nearby Property
Owners Etc so um but but no the the the income tax uh excuse me the property tax exemption isn't eligible when you are also leveraging um funding through uh a land
use restriction agreement like we would need to for 50 years we're not eligible um to to get a property tax exemption Florida does offer a property tax exemption after 15 years for affordable deals separate
statute and um for a senior you can um you can also if you have a nonprofit General partner uh of the project itself then you can um you're eligible for a property tax exemption
not part of live local those are St state I'm thrilled to hear that correction thank you of course uh councilman Jake Johansson yes sir my second bite um so one of the things I heard was if if we don't do this the money can be used to face
houses and then she comes up and tells us she's going to put money toward facing houses and We complain at the cost to face a house over over while can't we just buy better housing for them um so um I I don't want this
Council to catch themselves in a in a circle uh to not spend this money um either we use it or we give it back but we can't keep complaining about it uh uh
I'm I I don't like the policy of of the federal government giving us all this money to do what they want us to do with it um but but it's going to be spent we this this isn't cost avoidance this is cost shifting unfortunately so um I I
hate the mentality and you know Dar well I'm doing everything I can personally to influence higher authority to stop doing it but but we can't do it today so um as as I've seen at the state level
with our governor even even when when he gives money back to the federal government it goes to some other state we don't fix the problem uh we just go to bed knowing that we didn't do it here which which
might be a good strategy but um it's not a strategy that we talked about uh as one of our main strategies here on the on the Das um and and if if we are really really dedicated to not doing
that I think we we K and closure our ears we need to take a serious look at at the Departments and what they do and decide whether we need them anymore um because the those two departments work very hard or one Department I guess but
but community services and and affordable housing and um I don't want them to keep on coming up here if we're not going to spend the money that the Federal government gives us so we we need to have a serious philosophical
discussion about about ship home uh lhap uh uh Heap Heap hop and all the other stuff that we we give and decide whether we're going to do it or we're going to leave these people to fend for themselves and and learn the hard way
that that living's tough um uh so I look forward to that discussion uh right now I I I I think this is I would rather spend money on this than spend $350,000 to save a
$125,000 home um I would rather show the people that live in that home this new apartment that they can live in and buy their home that flooded for cheap and turn it into a whatever George needs it to be to solve the
flooding issue that's all I thank you chairman thank you councilman Robbins I swear uh chair this is the last time I may I speak to the the applicant chair please sir just one one quick yeah one quick uh question
um if I understood it correctly maybe I just need a better understanding of you advised after 15 years that statutorily you can apply for those tax uh exemptions right this may A little unorthodox to ask is that
correct I don't I don't know the answer to the question honestly but I I think there's a statute there's a senior text is it only for seniors okay yeah the only reason I asked that it's what you had said earlier uh in your previous um um
statement that after 15 years there's a separate statute where you can apply for these I'm trying to get to a yes if this if this helps if you can if you can help me with this um if we could research that I don't know how quickly we can do that but
would you be willing and the only reason I ask this is is we have a lot of folks here in in in blushia County we hear this this thing and this isn't your fault that that growth doesn't pay for itself okay you I'm sure you probably hear that across the state um but in
this case uh Council the the the taxpayers are going to be absorbing this not only with the offsets but now potentially from year 15 to 50 or whenever now they're going to be absorbing um um these tax benefits as well and it's going to be put on their
backs um to get me to a yes would you be willing to and I hope I'm not crossing a line here wave that statutory right to not take advantage of those tax
exemptions after 15 years I appreciate where you're coming from I think part of and I believe believe that is the statute part of the purpose for that is to avoid a development that is long-term affordable but becomes functionally
Obsolete and the property doesn't generate enough income for Capital expenditures to keep the project from becoming slums and so I think that part of that income that that that property tax exemption is a useful tool to keep
up the property make sure it's a good asset in the community so I don't know that that's the most Sound Decision to make right now um because that would get me to a a possible yes because it it I understand and you see where I'm coming from I'm
not this is nothing has to do with you but I mean and these statutes come and go in the state at the state level and and orph and I don't know that I'd be able to give you um the ability to give you an across the board kind of uh um affirmation on that
and I'd hate to lead astray on that understood uh thank you course and and Council um you know at this point you know everything we're doing um is we're making it good for other people but bad overall for long-term taxpayers uh we're
we're ultimately at the end of the day um they're they're going to have this on their back so uh without some of these other questions being answered I'm a I'm a no councilman Dempsey and if I could just have one last comment only because in response to what Suzanne uh had
mentioned I'm just I just Googled uh rentals in Delan Florida since this is going to be the competition for the Delan rental market it's 11 rentals available right now as we sit here for 1275 a month or less right down the
street is uh two-bedroom one bath 1250 a month in the carriage apartment Spring Garden out there on West Minnesota just you know by the truck route 1250 a month two-bedroom two bath two-bedroom one bath on northstone right up the street
here um West Indiana 621 West Indiana two-bedroom two bath 1275 Oola Street 1175 two-bedroom one bath it just goes on and on right here West Rich 6:30 West Rich right down the
road 1250 a month for a two-bedroom one bath and by the time these are built I would anticipate that those prices are going to come down because of this glut again we build this on taxpayer money we're competing with these people their own taxes are going to be
used to compete with them and they're not going to be able to rent this they might very well be doing this so they could pay their mortgages that's that's I I just don't get it I I don't think it's I understand the live local argument that Jake made it's a wonderful argument and I I really respect his
point but I just I just don't think the government should be competing with these private landlords that are what I think are struggling right now now on a fiscal cliff that's going to probably get even worse for the housing market I think we're right at the cusp of another 2006 2007 2008 collapse so I just that's
why I'm against it thanks guys thank you any any other uh comments we have two members of the public that would like to speak on this before I call for the vote uh John Nicholson John nson to Tona beach side um I'm
having a problem with this I've had it in Daytona Beach it's had it in Miami um it's been going on for 50 years um it's nice to say that the top end is $60,000 but nobody mentions the bottom end is
$18,000 which is almost half of what the poverty level is so it's not even up to the poverty level and we have property for harut housing um on the river at 250 a month okay now
250 a month is Affordable Until you realize that 200 of it is utilities so they're only paying $50 a month rent in this day and age it's ridiculous uh we've done this 10% unit
thing uh in an area west of the city years ago about 30 years ago and the 16 units uh within a year were uninhabitable okay we have a unit in Daytona Beach
affordable housing um on Clyde Morris at the last commission meeting one of the Commissioners says now it's affordable housing less than a year and it's uninhabitable all right but they're saying it's the roof is leaking there's mold there's
this there's that it's the constru construction issue what is the quality of this project because you can't move somebody in and then not have quality lifestyle regardless of their wealth okay
so I'm asking you to to look at this very carefully also in this day and age how many families have one income all right I understand your wife never worked your wife never worked your
wife never worked your wife never work that's not the case most times there's if you have a family the wife goes out to work especially if you don't have children so the income is not 18,000 the income is not 60,000 the income is much
higher in a two family home than in a single family home so what are we gearing this towards are we gearing it towards the seniors which obviously needs help all right once you get to a certain point the income is just not there anymore all right when
you get out of college or high school you can't afford it when I got out of college I lived in a trailer in Palm Beach I worked for uh Delta Airlines got transferred to Palm Beach Palm Beach is not cheap so I lived in a trailer for a
year because I couldn't afford the rent it happens so um asking you to look at this very carefully before you commit to 50 years 15 years Etc thank you Dr Wendy Anderson thank you Wendy Anderson I live
in Dand um this item caught my attention on the agenda a week or so ago and I I came just to listen to the discussion I don't have a strong position yes or no know about whether this should be approved but a few things I wanted to point out based on the discussion um
councilman Johansson if I'm reading the future land use map correctly this is zoned industrial for whatever that's worth and whatever other land uses might come up in this area in the future it is industrial um also the elevation of this
site is about 23 24 25 ft above sea level which is a pretty high spot for that area out there it drops off very sharply to the west down to about 4 or 5 ft above sea level where you have this um kind of North arm of lake beersford
that slides up in between this site and honon Road and we've seen that flood quite a bit in in our big flood events over the last few years this is a high and dry site above that but there are private homes immediately in the parcels
immediately west of these two Parcels that are that are slated to be developed so if you put you know high density housing there it is going to probably shed some additional water onto those homes just west of it but east of that flood zone um that could put them at
higher risk so you know those are the perspectives that I usually bring to the table in a conversation about this obviously I pay my I just paid my taxes my federal taxes and I would love to see my taxes come back to my County to serve you know my neighbors and so I'm you
know pH philosophically not opposed to that but um but I don't know if this is a good spot for that I guess my other point is if this is Workforce housing but we're expecting them to get on a train and go work outside of the county then we're not really talking about our
workers are we so I don't know there were just some some kind of inconsistencies in in the dialogue there that I thought I'd point out but good luck deciding on this one thanks okay pardon me yeah come and do it this is really
important and I don't know where the council is right now I heard the the the the meeting today with with the flooding concerns and so I just want to point out with the state and and federal regulations we keep the water on our
site and treat it for the hundred-year storm and so right now the water will go into the homes from the property that is high to the lower land we would hold that in Retention Ponds and so we would be improving the flood situation for the
neighboring properties that are lower and taking some of the flooding that that comes from the parcels that are up above us and and come through excuse me through our site so there's there's really strict um water management uh regulations in the State of Florida to
to avoid this type of thing for multif family developments and and so um you know that we we use our civil engineer um put together some responses to some five typical questions ahead of this meeting I hope you all received those
but but but they were talking about how how we would engineer the site and and flooding concerns and things of that nature so um happy to clarify any of that and and I I I don't want to dismiss your your point um about paying taxes in
at the county level property taxes think that is you know what else um you know what better um position um to represent the county on than than that and so I'd like to reconsider um I I'd like to try and work with you on that in in in a way that
that um that the development can sustain over the long term so I just want to come back and and try and um continue that discussion if if that if that if you're open to a yes vote
is there would a simple um yes to to that chairman respectfully please in order to make this deal better not just for me but for our constituency sure if that were to be
presented where that tax burden is absorbed like kind of you own it right and it doesn't go to the taxpayers uh get put more responsibility on their backs you have my word that I'll support you okay and that that may help too
sweeten the pot I don't know where this this council is either but also too who what elected would official in my in my thinking my thought process would deny that opportunity to make it better but I see the County Attorney coming on I I
guarantee I'm probably in in in in some some some gray area to be negoti but I do think it's Council it's a better deal uh to put that on the table if it's legally allowed we we also operate banion Cove and worked with the
city of Dand um on that um right on International Speedway just west of Woodland uh and that's a very successful development and it it garnered tenants from from the local area uh it's a senior project and I say project but you know it's again private and you know
this isn't government housing we're we're leveraging income tax credits there's no funding being committed from the government you know there's no ownership from the government um but but that project uh has has done really well stayed full a lot of demand weight list
and so there's a tremendous need for local residents speaking oh okay now this is um I think this has been really important and and hopefully helpful to
the public it's a it's a dilemma um and this is not my time to speak so I'm uh Michael Dyer County Manager um County attorney yeah I'd rather be attorney can you do two
jobs uh so I if it's if it's a will of council to entertain the request about can you wave the those taxes under existing rules we don't have an answer for you right now we need we would need to table this bring it back let me get with staff make sure we we're not we're
in compliance with applicable ship rules and that and that type of thing which we can do we just can't do it at the table here um it seems like that the applicant was amenable to that but I'll let him speak for himself so if if that is something that Council does want let us
look at it with staff and bring it back to you councilman Johansson yes sir I I'm going to make a motion to table to the second meeting in April and and the the reason I want to do that is because Dr
Anderson brought up a good point too that that it is an industrial so if this doesn't happen and it is which um um I didn't think it was but if it is they can use the live local act and
if they use a live local act and there's a bunch of other stuff that can happen to us that does impact us a lot more than using Federal money so um my motion is to uh table the second meeting in in April so they can come up with a deal
and I can clearly understand what the impacts of uh using the L local act would be on us if they chose to go that route if a deal can't be made CH so we have a we have a motion on the table to to um to table this the second meeting
of April Vice chair Reinhardt you made a motion what's your I I'll I'll table or I'll withdraw my motion in order for that okay all right is there a second on uh and you'll second yes okay so now we
have the motion by Jake Johansson to table this to the second meeting in April um uh Jake your name is still up but is that just it's still Jake it's just a hangover are you done last Johansson yes
sir okay thank you chair brow where's this coming from yes may we have a clarify who seconded the new motion Matt Reinhardt Vice chair Reinhardt made the second uh Mr Robbins made the
motion and um I'm glad it went this way because I think it would have I think it was going to fail and this is really really important I think uh Carmen you and the guy I see
in the back that's has a Perpetual birthday the two people I talk to the most in the county because you your area you know if it's not roads it's how do I pay rent how do I pay my electric bill where can I live
it is it is a dilemma um Mr Dempsey brought brings in a great argument that we have to consider but so did Danny and and Jake and so I think this is the right motion
with that if there is no other comments um I think I'll still ask you to please call the role and this is the motion is to table this to the second meeting in April
Mr Dempsey yes Mr Joe Hanson yes Mr Reinhardt yes Mr Robbins yes chair Brower yes so the mobile motion is tabled to the second meeting of April thank you for your input it's uh was
very helpful I might add one more thing wasn't to thank you okay um we're moving to item 11 which is
uh resolution implementing Council direction from the September 3rd meeting to amend um landfill disposal fees good evening even Ben Barlett Public Works director uh before you today is as you stated a resolution to
amend the landfill disposal fees based on direction from Council to provide a yearly indexing uh according to the CPI plus 1% um as you know the solid waste is an Enterprise fund so it lives and functions off of all the fees that it
collects um as you know we are also going through a major landfill expansion the uh 270 acres is being prepared right now uh The Next Step will be to construct the first cell within that 270 Acres that 270 Acres will provide a 100
Years of uh space for valuch County to dispose of garbage um at the September 3rd 2024 council meeting Council gave direction to move forward with an indexing of our disposal fees uh which will be based on the cap
uh consumer price index for garbage and trash collection plus 1% uh this change only affects the the class one waste rates as well as the class 3 CND D rates and the um uh other fees is like our yard trash but it does not affect the
flat fees that we charge for residents when they bring in a car which is $4 and a pickup truck which is eight so happy to answer any questions yall may have on that uh otherwise anyone have questions for uh
Vice chair Matt Reinhardt motion to approve that's not a question Jo Hanson we have a motion to approve by Vice chair Reinhart the second came from Jake Joe Hansen any questions all in favor say I I any
opposed and it is approved unanimously 5 to zero and Ben Bartlett is staying here for item 12 uh contract amendment number one for the architectural and Engineering Services for the expansion of the Southwest Regional
weight Water Reclamation facility Improvement and you have backup if you need it I do uh Mike O is here he is the man when it comes to these projects uh our Southwest facility which serves uh DeBerry and other portions of West valua
uh is in the middle of a major upgrade uh to increase the capacity um what we are what's before you today is a contract amendment to cph engineering they are responsible for the design this will continue them through the construction projects this is a cmgc
project so uh the contractors has been on board they've already started Construction um uh this will bring their total contract price to $5.3 million but when you look at the total cost of the project we're upwards of almost $70
million um almost uh a good large portion of it is provided through grants uh the remaining uh 14.9 million is provided uh by the utility itself so uh this brings the uh the engineering cost total to around 7 7 a half% of the total
contract which is well with in line with indust industry standards this has also got some arpa money so we're uh required to get this done by the end of 20226 happy to answer any questions on this one any questions
Council Mar approve we have a motion to approve by Vice chair Matt Reinhardt second Johansson second by councilman Jake Johansson comments all in favor say I I I any
opposed and it's approv five to zero thank you you didn't have questions and you heard I stumbled a little bit but I got to say looking at Ryan behind you when I look at these projects some of the huge projects we've done and the the
management to bring in funds and pay for this is um is amazing so and just thank you Ryan osowski for the work that you do well that you know he got all the Ryan gets to reap the benefit of it but I will say
you know part of our ability to get these Grant funds whether it's on the uh Utility side or the storm water side um is really a testament to our staff who manage these projects and keep those good relations they come to us when they have extra money and say do you have a project or they will throw more money at
one of our projects and Mike does a great job of going out and getting that money yeah see Michael if you'd have stood up you'd have got all the accolades all right thank you very much thank you appreciate it and Ryan's coming up because he has a fiscal year 202442 revised budget fund
reconciliation and appropriation good evening Council Ryan owski Chief Financial Officer what you have here is an attempt to uh be uh true up our budget more than just at the end of the year normally in November the second meeting in November you'll get a
year-end reconciliation where we'll have transfers that need to occur between funds this uh item has six such transfers on it in the interest of uh the typical duration of presentations that you guys want uh I was very
explanatory in the agenda item if you have any questions on any of the individual hey Mr chair at this time we don't have a quorum in the room okay can you hold your thoughts pause we could shame them we could not sure
exactly how that I want to bring into a public meeting is there still food back there Ryan I'm sorry oh no it's fine this is really this is I I love the fact that you're doing this periodically
instead of dumping it on the public and all of us at one time at the end of the year I actually have a this is the first time because a lot of these transfers become known to us when we finish a fiscal year so the fiscal year 2024 results are in the
audit was finalized last Friday it'll be coming to you guys next meeting uh for the report so we know some of these things need to be done now we'll learn more of them through the budget process so I plan on doing another one of these in probably in July and then at the end of the year in November so that we do
them more timely so there's less of them cuz we been doing about 20 of these adjustments in November this is just six we'll probably find another six or so that we can do in July and then there'll only be six at the end of the year so there'll be less so I'm just trying to be a little more timely to get these things done these are all transfers in
between funds none of this is new spending it's just as listed in the agenda item I did a good job to thoroughly explain them so that we don't have to go through them each year unless you have any questions councilman Vice chair Reinhardt now that corum's reestablished
m to approve second joh Hanson okay motion to approve by uh Vice chair rinhart second was by Jake Johansson uh motion is to approve um any questions all in favor
say I I any opposed and there are five members here to vote and it is approv unanimously 5 to zero okay now for the rest of the crowd that's still left in the in the chambers um we have a series
of appointments and the first one item 14 appointments to the cultural Council Hey sir Russ Brown Deputy County attorney I'm going to do my best impersonation of Miss green and lead you through it tonight uh so before you is a two-year appointment for the cultural Council Uh current board members expire
March 31st of this year uh you have your slate in front of you the board consists of nine members each district council member makes one nomination of an elector from within the member's District the at llarge member and the county chair each get two nominations
one elector from the west side of the county and one elector from the east side of the county I note that uh Mr Robbins unfortunately you don't have any applicants tonight for district three um but for Mr Dempsey and Mr Reinhardt each of you have one tonight and uh Mr
Johansson and Mr Brower each of you get to one from either side of the county and there's no order so however you want to take it up Mr chair okay well I've already got names on the board so Vice chair Reinhardt make the first pick very enthusiastically I nominate Lloyd Bowers
for for District Two is that just because he's in the room okay okay uh don Dempsey she's not here where she did uh Paul
Richardson in opening comment resign effective immediately or at the end of his term he he didn't resign he wants to serve right so you could nominate him could have sworn it he has to be he's an incumbent but his term runs out yes sir
that's correct he actually asked me a question earlier before the meeting started that led me to believe he did he's not resigning so not yeah okay so he okay well I'd like to go ahead and renominate Paul Richardson then Gator
Gator second we doing them all we doing if you don't mind let's do them all together yes sir I'd like to nominate Reggie sillly West Side you want my East Side now or you want to wait uh let me write this one
down Reggie San Tilly and she's West yes sir okay do you want to go ahead and make your e side sir uh George papis George papus for the East
okay I'm got to clear everybody's names so that the board is clear and I will um uh I will nominate Thomas laputka for the west side I just saw what I did Chairman
sorry about that pardon me I just saw I did George papis and he was your last one so I apologize okay and I would also like to nominate Lucy Jackman for the east side Mr
Robbins did we leave you anybody you have nobody I'm going to put it out on on social media I'll find someone okay and uh Mr Santiago and Mr Kent are absent so that's that's all of them
um did you get all the names we can run through them again yes sir we have them do you want me to so what I have on my slate is that uh Mr dim nominated Mr Paul Richardson M um Mr Johansson nominated Miss Reggie sentilla
for the Celli for the West Side um the chair Mr Brower nominated Mr lutka for the West Side Mr rard nominated Mr Lord Bowers from his district um Mr Johansson nominated Mr
George papis from the East side for his East Side appointment and Mr chair you nominated uh Miss Lucy Jackman as your esad appointment correct that's what I have as well okay any questions all in favor of these
nominees please say I I any opposed and that slate is approved 5 to zero um thank you Mr Brown for your for your help in Carissa's absence no uh replacement but thanks sir
um so for you want to move on to the historic the historic board preservation board yes yes sir so for this board uh Council last um change the resolution so we're going from 9 to5 at the beginning of April 1st so these will be for five
nominations there is uh the board uh any council member can make any nomination of the board members service on this board does constitute a county office subject to the Dual office holding prohib prohibition the the elector does not have to live within each Council
member's district and so you have the appointments uh excuse me the applicants there before you and anybody can make a nomination and we need five okay this is on this item okay before anybody makes any nominations we have a
member of the public who would like to uh speak I also believe that he is listed as a potential nominee uh Mark Carston hi how you doing good I'm Mark
Carson's I'm a resident at 2772 North thp Avenue and unincorporated Orange City so my residence is within the county of Valia the Valia the reason why I want to Ser serve has to do with chairman brower's number one issue which
is flooding you might ask what flooding has to do with historic preservation the answer is the following Pioneers like John bson and Henry Delan would have would be turning in their graves if they were here to witness 100% clear cutting of indigenous trees from development
lots and highrise soil soil infilling that uh chairman Brower talks about of low-lying areas that often border on being cons considered wet as Wetlands or flood Plains the land was almost aborted but for the stage coach driver who
encouraged Henry dant to keep traveling just a bit further to that high and dry Pine Forest that was developed into Pimon Hollow which was renamed Dand as evident in Mark Carson's resume
I graduated from Savannah College of Art design with a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in historic preservation I have have experience in corrective restoration of antique doors both Sash and casement style casement style windows at CCS restoration specialized
Property Service I am a current member of the West fuia Historical Society I worked there in 2022 and the front desk serving reserving tours memberships point of sale with Clover systems I also worked as the Tyler History Center uh in
Youngstown during the age of covid I pray that I'm selected to serve in a preservation board and cultural uh cultural Board of L County and I apologize for my Outburst earlier I'm a I'm a I'm a trump fan I love president
Trump so God bless you and thank you thank you okay I will open the floor to uh nominations we need five and uh so we have plenty on the
list uh councilman Robbins I'll nominate uh Carl sharth I don't know if that's shth shth yes sorry if I go with that butchered it uh Vice chair Matt
Reinhardt nominate Brian Weston councilman Jake Johansson nominate Carolyn Sanders James Ern Sanders James thank you councilman Dempsey did you have anybody yet uh Mark carsten Mark
carsten okay then I got to go back to the drawing board um I'm going to uh nobody else did nominate Sarah um is it
buy bde just boo let's stop there Sarah boo okay that's five we have uh Mark Carston's from uh
councilman Dempsey Carolyn James from Jake Johansson Brian from Matt Reinhardt is it uh I can't read my own writing Weston uh Danny Robbins uh
Carol Carol Carl shwa okay and uh and Sarah Bud for um chair Brower any questions all in favor
say I I any opposed motion carries 5 to zero no more Outburst now we appreciate your enthusiasm okay and that brings us to the final public participation and we have no one that wanted to speak other
than John Nicholson there's a phrase God will get you John Nicholson Daytona beachs side uh two things uh one is the squeaky wheel I brought it up to you before I want to keep it in front and center uh on the east side of the county we need to look
at and make sure that the bridge on ISP uh at tamoka Farms Road is widened um I'm sorry I brought it up to our city uh on lpj there's a bridge that causes problems before Margaritaville went in
it's causing tremendous problems now and it'll be years before they fix it so let's plan for it now because it'll take several years but we need to work on that bridge um secondly to farm roads itself uh development is going in in that area it will be LPG
to everything all the problems that we have with LPGA we're going to have it to MoCA Farms Road so if we plan ahead we're head of the deal uh lastly Miller Lake I don't understand uh when he said that you turned off the
pumps I was shocked they've been coming for like three or four months with a problem of Miller Lake and then the only help that they were getting was a pump that wasn't pumping enough and so we turn it off and I was shocked why would
we turn it off uh secondly there's a weir that's supposed to be put in and it was never put in where are we on that you know the we are that that company above it uh the commercial property
um the buying of the commercial property there's two commercial properties the one that's causing the problem and then the second one are we even considering buying those prop properties I mean it's an awful lot of money and I'm not quite sure it'll solve the problem so um I
hope we don't do that and the hurricane season is coming and if a simple rain is causing the problem for them now a hurricane is will be devastating because I think it was two of the the people that came up the water came up to their
homes so if it came up to their homes during the last hurricane and now the lake is full it will absolutely go in their homes in the next hurricane so I'm asking whatever we can do we have to do especially turn on that pump thank
you thank you for your comments to the county manager's closing comments uh yes uh well first I'm going to address a little bit of what John just talked about and also the people earlier uh the pumps were turned off
because the emergency order that gives us the authorization to have the pumps from St John's Water Management District ended so we have no legal ability or permitted ability to run those pumps without St John's because St John's is
the authority over Lakes not vucha County uh number two if you recall we also said the city of DeBerry where that water is going to uh their uh borrow pit that holds
that water was full and needed time to recover so that's uh the the two factors that got us to have to turn the pumps off at this time now we removed somewhere in the neighborhood is six
vertical feet of water out of that lake so uh the lake level probably is nearing where it was before the last set of storms because it was up after repeated rainfalls that you had had uh because again it's not just a big storm it is
repeated rainfalls with no ability to recover that also drives up the levels in these lakes and ponds on the west side of the County so I just want uh to clarify that you know it's not mean people or something you know turning off the pump we turn it off because we have
to turn it off now uh and by the way it's not just us it's the Department of Transportation is also involved here um you know again we uh got a team together the county state and
DeBerry uh to help out the folks at uh Miller Lake the other uh thing I heard today about approving the permit we never approved any such permit there's a permit that was uh I think with St John's in the city and we did not object
we did not object because of the added uh um capacity that was put in the lake uh from a project where we had previously accepted Federal uh DB CDG dbr money to take out the six homes I
think that were there and we removed uh the high land that they were sitting on uh to create more capacity in the lake at that time so it's not that we approved it U and the other side also
you know uh I know they they've talked about the pipes and the stuff you got to think about it like this and we got and by the way we're doing a lot of research people are working on this but you know the history's going to show and the
pictures show and the survey show that all the water from that area where those develop where you're talking about commercial was going to that Lake it has gone to that Lake we got stuff that goes back to the seminal second seminal War 1832 it shows the size of that Lake
being where it is today actually so that'll all be we'll be talking about that but that water's going there the topography shows that it's going there and the only thing about pipes is it it it does it in a controlled manner so it doesn't blow out the road the road was
1792 and of course if you don't think it can't happened it's happened twice do has had to shut down a major uh Road uh because it's been blown in half by the water coming from that development side over to the lake so the pipes are there
by the Department of Transportation to um to control that water that was going there anyway goes to their Pond and it also goes into the lake directly in two two places so by the way that's you know
not County Water that's the city of uh Orange City and then the department of transportation system so again I think we've been very helpful and and again we went out with the Department's help we raised the road
I do think once this thing is studied completely ra probably permanently raising the road may be on the table is a as a mitigation to what's going on there out there but again uh you know we are we have not forgotten them we will
look at we'll be looking to St John's Water Management District to help us there and some other places where we may have to do some pumping ahead of storms or when the season uh gets to the real wet season season but again uh you want
to show let's take some pictures that we've just recently done good evening Ben Barlett Public Works director so this is a photo uh an aerial uh drone photo actually shot just a day or so couple days after uh Milton
hit as you can see this the roofs you see here is actually the property that you uh just bought just bought today this was a property that um we tried to purchase after Fay it was one of the lower lowest structures in
and around that Lake it had flooded multiple times the owner at the time refused to sell um and then recently it had gone into foreclosure and uh and then we were able to purchase it from the bank uh think and then Council approved his purchase today
um you want to go to the next one it's not clickers not work so this is this uh same time frame same looking at the other portion of Miller Road that went underwater as you can see this is before uh we worked with the do to build essentially that Causeway through there to get access to those folks homes uh
beyond that point uh next slide but but we go before we do that these homes that are up on the hill there the yellow house to the right U uh the pool everything all those homes to the right if you haven't been down there uh those are 10 to 12 feet or more in elevation
uh higher than that water so it's hard to tell from a two-dimensional picture but everything on the other side of Miller Road those houses are many many feet uh above so if the water were to get to them we'd probably have much bigger
problems in the area because also 1792 and everything on the other side would be well underwater as well so so um sorry um go ahead all I will say is when it comes to structure flooding the property you bought today is the only
property on that Lake that has incurred any actual structure flooding uh in the primary residence and go back am I doing it or okay go back one yeah you might say say that again this is the yeah so to repeat um the per property you bought
today is the only property along Miller Lake that has had any structure flooding in the primary residence this is a photo of when we started the putting the causeway through the water as you can see that water was 3 4T along the road it was up to the bumper on that uh
tandem dump truck next slide please so yesterday courtesy of our valuch County fire department and their new drone they were kind enough to fly Miller Lake and this is Miller Road and this is a section of the road uh that was underwater keep just cycle through so this is that same section that you just
saw keep going um keep going so as you can see the water is um away from the road Fair bit um as Mr reonal said uh we're looking at at least a six foot drop in height in vertical
elevation that's a significant pullback um in horizontal uh movement of the water and this at this location um really a little closer in it was uh completely over the road and then this is the uh the uh property you bought today I will note if you remember the
picture that we showed the very first one that showed the roofs you can see the amount of draw down that occurred in this particular property and again this is the property and this is why we want to buy this property we want sure that nobody ever Builds on it again it's just
so low um next slide I think that might be the last one so um those are the photos from today uh I know there was some discussion earlier about where the water was in relation to the road I think it's important to take a look at what it actually looks like today versus
what it looked like after the storm happy to answer any questions councilman Johansson yeah Ben and George it's every two weeks we get an update on Miller
Lake at 6:45 during closing comments and two weeks from now they're going to come back at the beginning and say they've heard nothing from us you just told me what you're doing and what you're not doing and why we're not doing the pumps so John does have to ask next
week why the pumps aren't on um which I did describe last week at the last meeting as well absolutely is is there somewhere this information exists other than from our moue at the end of a council meeting on
YouTube where where when they send me emails about we're not getting anything I can say it's because you're not in the right spot here's the link or something like that I mean including these pictures is that a is there a place we can put it yes sir I mean like I said
this Drone footage was flown yesterday happy happy to find a place to post that we're we're working with uh Community Information on our stormwater uh website uh which is an all encompassing storm water I think that would be a good location and we can even have a spot on
there specific to certain locations um of interest and this might be one of them and and I do understand from my past here you you you can go out on all forms of media get Sheldon and Al to put it in the front page of the newspaper
above the fold and people will still say that they had no idea I I get that you you can't get to everybody it's just the way it is but if if we can make an effort to get it somewhere where we we as council members instead of saying Ben
they're still on us to to just say go to www.miller.com and and and there's your answer um and and don't forget the fact that we bought the house not that that's going to make the water go down at all but it's going to if we own it then it'll be hard for
the media to say look at this pouse the second question I have is they were talking about the water going down which which has made a lot of progress but is anybody still prevented from getting from their house to the road or or are
they still using portal potties because their septic system is still flooded which is not part of the structure far as accessible to the road Miller L we have removed all the millings as the gentleman said um and the reason as you can see in the in those uh previous shots of the road the
water is you know there was no need to leave the millings there and it was a on lane road and now we restored it back to its original condition is a two-lane road um as far as the septic systems go um I I don't know uh I I don't know if there's still issues with septic systems
out there um you know I know there was one person that lived off of the lake that was having some issues because they had a low area on their own property that was not connected to Miller and then I believe there was one other property along Shady Lane I don't I do not know what the status of their septic
systems are all right if if I hear anything I'll let you know CU that's as far as I'm concerned I I understand the structural piece yay we won we didn't plot a house but you can't get out of your house to you know without a A flatboat or or you know use a restroom
without going to a portal potty then that's no good either I would clarify that um even when the road was flooded and we did construct that secondary Road or that you know temporary Road um there was only one person I believe that
didn't have access directly to their house and that was because of the elevation change from their existing driveway to where we put those millings in but they were able to access I believe through their neighbors property but after that I believe everybody else and the road by the way is uh a
non-maintained road that uh we actually paved when we did the work uh 2008 I think it was uh basically when we bought the six other houses that were out there and tore them down and and and took out
the the the high level dirt um kind of because we had affected their dirt road uh we paved it down to where you see so I mean they're also getting a higher you know they've got a a better Road from the work that we've done previously and
again I I hesitate till we've studied it a little bit more and completely uh but I could see mitigation uh projects could be more along the lines of raising the road and maybe
helping someone with a septic system issue um maybe a more costeff effective uh solution um based on what we're seeing and also I think this so John mentioned the Weir the Weir was replaced yes
that's correct so um the structure that they were referring to the Royal Oak Center had obtained a permit from the Water Management District that included a weir in the box that Weir uh was removed by the prior ownership is my understanding the owner the current owner of Royal Oaks has owned it for 6
months to a year uh the Water Management District let them know that they were not in compliance with their permit and I believe within a week they had reinstalled the Weir I had I actually went on site when they were doing it and the the uh staff person from The Water Management District was on site when
they were doing it and I received conf confirmation the next day uh photograph that the Weir had been reinstalled beautiful thank you Ben uh real quick not for you I just saw Michael Ryan did he leave oh there he is you don't have to come up you can just
nod your head and we'll hear it um everything that's just said everything's been done right now is recorded and will be permanently on the worldwide web correct what about the pictures that they're showing are they included okay good I I thought so I just
wanted to make that clear because that'll be helpful all right uh County attorney Michael Dyer sure I just want to add I I know I emailed you on Friday but in case you're behind on your emails which I would not blame you uh from being so uh we uh Russ Brown and Kevin
blo from my office last week spoke uh to their attorney with um group of the Miller Lake Homeowners who retain Morgan of Morgan spoke to him sent him a letter invited him to send questions that he would have that we could relate can help distribute to staff if they have any but
just wanted to add that as well okay uh any other questions on that one I do have another item um and this is uh maybe Michael Ryan will be happy that I'm
probably moving this item along for him but a a while back uh danan resident Dan friend who many of you are familiar with uh r letter Council and uh with the idea of the State Road 44 bridge out
here which was formerly known as the white hair Bridge uh going over the St John's river uh when when a bridge is taken down and replaced the name dies with it so it's no longer the white hair bridge and Mr friend uh had proposed uh
another name uh the Frank Gardener Gould uh would be de hory uh and who Mr Gould was is uh he graduated from the US Naval Academy in 1931 became and he was retired Naval
Captain but he uh was a Navy cross recip recipient for Extraordinary heroism and distinguished service is the commanding officer of the Destroyer USS steret so he he actually resided on the
Lake County side of the river and uh he's passed he passed May 8 2004 so he had asked about naming the bridge but then we got into an odyssey of uh what what you need to do for that
and uh uh so what really does we don't name Bridges the state legislature has that responsibility and both counties must agree to the new name uh so Michael worked real hard uh with our Lake County team over there and
uh they basically have said um uh they're they don't necessarily support uh but they are not going to actively support but they don't have any problem with naming it after him so it leaves us in a interesting position that if if
this body wants to name it after uh Mr Gould we could uh send a uh engage one of our legislators to uh with a letter and see if they would submit a bill naming the bridge you could oppose naming the bridge or you could have if
you had somebody else in mind you could see if you want to name the bridge but that's where we're at and uh I think Mr Friend Of course has waited patiently to see how we would work this through but I think we have got it to a point where if
there was a decision I could put it on a up a come upcoming agenda upcoming agenda and uh if you wanted to with Frank uh Garder goul and you could uh um vote and tell me that's what you want to do and we could
go ahead and send it up to the legislature I was going to suggest you you just did that we can't vote on this tonight it needs to come back as an item um I don't Frank Gardner G sounds like a wonderful you know person but I I don't
know anything about him and I don't know if any other council member would have somebody they would like to uh include so I I would like to see it come back as an item and in that process if you would work with council members to see if they
have a a different recommendation I mean Don will probably want his name on the bridge but you were going to nominate Don you're you're good so I um but seriously I think it um I appreciate bringing it up and can we just put it on
it yeah as long as I have Council show you guys thumbs up then we'll get it on an upcoming agenda okay everybody's good with that okay and then the last thing just uh informationally uh I am going to take a few days off uh and it'll be a
little harder to reach than normal uh but uh if there is an emergency I will be there but in the meantime uh this Consin will have the helm from uh Saturday through next Thursday okay that's it very good and
before I we continue uh I'm sorry uh Jake Johansson I overlooked you that's F sir um quick question George and and probably Michael have this answer but um so was the coordination at the staff
level with Lake County or the elected level they they were not supportive did they I think Michael hasn't I think it was probably mainly staff but I think they asked uh the manager over there I I dealt with my counterpart in
Lake County it's my understanding he went to his administration I'm not sure if he engaged council at that point all right um I I think I think the right way forward we we talked about this on the phone a little bit is is U regardless of the name that we do a
joint resolution that carries some weight up there from from both Lake and in uh um like in bloa County I I know some of them some of them so I'll I'll kind of
talk through it that way and let you know what their elected officials think but I if if we name one person there'll probably be eight others that come out of the woodwork and but but every bridge usually has a name every overpass usually has a name and everybody's got
five or 10 names they want to do it so we got to make a decision um but let me while you guys are working a letter I'll I'll work on seeing if they'll sign a joint resolution or a separate resolution and we can do a separate resolution to send up to with the
request to the legislature but Pro probably won't be voted on before the end of this session no I I would say that that's the case but if I think just having a thing in motion uh so would be I think this
glove neutralizes anyone in seconds law enforcement now has access to this cartoons in the bag okay I'm all s thank you very much I've got something I can go take care of now thank you thank you okay before we go on uh Michael um we we
overlooked some a public speaker um and I didn't officially close public speaking so but you have been here I think all day so uh Christina wake good afternoon everybody I just
wanted to stop in I know one of the items on the agenda is the spring protection Zone and you guys being a un unified friends on that and I wanted to say thank you um we had our meeting February 20th we had the biggest turnout for a public Workshop that FWC has seen
um our regional director is Greg Workman and in 40 years he's never seen that type of overwhelming support from the public so that was great um Danny was there Don was there thank you thank you guys for voting originally putting that letter out there taking that first
initial step Lake County Maran County have got on board town of Pearson's got on board um Central Florida marine industry has also gotten on board we have a letteror from Senator leak's office we have a letter from house representative Lamont we have a house
representative J Gentry um several other senators are in the process of working and stepping up as well what we are working on right now is one of two things we're either going to do a modification language change for the spring the Florida statue regarding
silver Glenn Spring Run or we're going to do a modification change for the spring protection Zone itself um we're going to take one win this year and then probably be back in front of legislation again next year to win that second round um but the unanimous stance is is everyone understands that we need to
come up with a viable solution and not more restrictions and and regulations so I just wanted to stop in and say thank you very much any questions you know I appreciate your positive approach though to winds in in two years we need it yes
I agree thank you thank you okay uh County attorney Michael Dyer yes uh just briefly I know I last week and earlier today sent you
an update um on um this Florida legislative session and I know John Booker sent you some information information from our lobbyist which is f great um this is just a time period early on where there are so many things
filed um that it you try to identify what you need to know so I had sent a copy of the Flor Lea City summary and we don't agree with the city as on everything but most things uh just give you an idea of what's impacting local
government we internally are beginning the tracking process summarizing what we need to summarize but if you have questions along the way on anything please let us know um and I know John and your state Lobby is going to continue to send you updates so that's
it thank you thank you uh councilman Johansson that's thought my was going to mention one of the bills I'll wait till my Council comments to bring up okay um Don dempy you are first today oh okay
well I really wasn't going to say anything but I guess just kind of a follow up to the bridge naming and just naming rights in general I guess I I've just noticed um as long as I've lived here that we don't seem to have any uh streets named after or Bridges or any
parks named after our forefathers like a Jefferson Square or a Washington Bridge or anything like that and I just hope that when we bring up this discussion on naming streets or what I know uh David brought up the one recently to to honor
the uh law enforcement officer I believe it was but I would just like to see a push as long as we're having this discussion towards honoring our forefathers um so that we don't forget about them there's a lot of I know we're the Deep South but you know Francis
Maran there was a lot of guys from the south Nathaniel Green there a lot of guys in the South that really basically won the war for us um and they weren't too far from here so I just want to make sure that we recognize them and preserve their names in in fucha history because
we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him so that's all I have nothing else to say though thanks guys interesting thank you uh Jake Johansson well I I guess I don't have to press that
um I I've started for a couple obvious reasons to track some uh Senate house bills up in Tallahassee here as we get going and and the the news media picked up one that that I had just uh grasped a
hold of about the same time and that's Senate Bill uh 1118 1118 uh and and you know a couple times this year I mention mentioned the importance of of smart
smart legislation at the local level because people up in Tallahassee are watching and if you look at Senate Bill 1118 uh it deals with rural area boundaries
and it it's it seems like it's a preemption uh to undo or stop what uh seol and orange are doing and and uh so
having said all that and and the the state of flux that uh that that issue is under right now at at the Senate level um uh with with a matching house bill
um I think it's important for us to not draw attention of Lucia County and I had originally asked for the rural area boundary I think to be brought back either March or April well it is March so we haven't seen it in the second
meeting so I think it's coming back in April that that we kind of delay that yet yet a little bit more until sessions out to see what happens with the house bill Senate Bill
118 um so and so the the people out in TV Land know and my my peers here uh at the table that that this isn't a support or defend of the rural area
boundary this is just smart Ru making I I don't want to I don't want to uh spend a lot of time talking about stuff that may change in a month and a
half um and and then and then we go at it we give staff a chance to filter through what happens with this bill um it it I was there last week and it was gathering lot of momentum pretty quick
and uh uh it's got a it's Senator McLean is the sponsor and um and it's going through uh pretty rapidly with with amendments uh every day so uh my suggestion and my motion would be
to delay that rural area boundary discussion uh to the end of session and bring it up uh uh the first or second meeting afterward whenever staff can can filter through what the what the new law
says if it is one um and and if if if they can it throw it in the garbage can at some point which I don't I don't believe that's going to happen based on the people I talked to up there um uh then then we can go out at it sooner but right right now it's it's on a quick
path and and it I think it'll affect their overall decision making here so uh my motion would be to delay till uh sessions over I just before we go on with that I think it was it your
recommendation Jake that we didn't didn't do this on the Fly that we would bring it back to with the next council meeting I I think it's is it scheduled for the next council meeting would be the April meeting you're right because this is the second
meeting to bring the whole item back it it was scheduled to come back for discussion uh actually it was April I mean it was March but uh being that we weren't going to have a full Council uh today uh we had
figured it would be best to put on April 1st which is only missed march by a day so uh that's where we had tentatively put it but of course that was long before uh some of the concerns that Mr Johansson is expressing today
so that's that's where we sit okay and so because of timing we really have no other option to deal with it today or if if you want it REM postponed that that is correct yeah and and um uh I mentioned earlier in the year and I'll
REM mention it now that that uh I I will not be here April 1st you won't have a full Council here then either but uh if if the motion to delay doesn't doesn't uh uh doesn't get passed then then you
go with six that's fine so U but I would like to delay not not because I'm not going to be here but because of the Senate bill and did you give a certain for the delay uh I said I think the second uh so when
was after session when's it one suggestion if it's okay with council is that when the governor signs these bills because we're waiting to see if he'll sign them he'll veto them it really varies I've seen some bills wait
you it might be first early July many bills are signed sooner than that so if it's okay my suggestion would be that we bring it back as soon as we can after we know what the governor's done it could be something if it passes the governor vetos I don't know okay thank you um so so go ahead no
go ahead if you're not done I'm not sure that's right it could still be be know I I think I think it's worthy of a discussion after the after the bill leaves uh leaves the capital and heads to the
heads to the governor um because it'll either be or not be at that point we'll know what the we'll know what the the the differences are compared to what it is now and we can
kind of talk through that at least talk through it uh I don't know if we can um pass or not pass a rural area bound ordinance but um but we could probably have that discussion either as a discussion item
based on what we know if the governor's not going to sign it right away I I just I don't I don't think it's worth kicking the can in July or August um well what we could do if if it's acceptable to council we'll bring it back as soon as we can once we know whether or not it
gets passed by the legislature even if that occurs before the governor has acted on it governor have maybe it's one of the bills he signed early on right that'll be up to them but we can certainly uh work with a manager to find a time to bring it back without
delay okay on on this motion uh councilman Robbins I seconded it chair but but I just wanted to uh when the time is right just add something to to what he was saying just for constituents
go ahead yeah I'm sorry um County Manager I know a little bit of History um behind the the rural boundary um ordinance that's being used everywhere can we compile something for our
constituents um detailing or bullet pointing exactly the specific scenario on how this um number one came to be but also compare it to what Valia County does and
I know growth management several years ago out at the county fair you guys had a a good presentation on how it was called how we grow and and initiative that was started back I believe in the 70s or 80s outlining rural boundaries transitional
areas cities what I would also like uh uh Mr County Manager if we can put together uh an information list for our people uh with that information uh but also too uh the Valia uh Florida
Wildlife uh Corridor that also separates uh a lot of this area already um local plans which separate this area already that we've done since the late 90s early 2000s any
joint planning agreements that help preserve uh these transitional in rural areas in local agreements and and most importantly one that we that we often Overlook too is the the utility and service boundary agreements that also uh
help protect our our rural areas that that do set boundaries so I want to separate the the the um emotional end or the political end to this to to get the people the the uh the real uh hard facts
on what sets us apart in blushia County uh versus everywhere else and that we've been doing this I'd say about 99% of this 30 years ago 40 years ago so uh any of that information would definitely help and uh um help us better explain it
to our folks yeah we'll definitely have all the information uh that basically you requested as part of that discussion uh and again I think there's already some of this work is in progress because we are working towards uh getting this
discussion going so I I I'll get with clay and his team uh and see where they're at and what they have and you make you got some good suggestions that we'll have and I and again I believe a lot of them uh would be part of all this discussion anyway
so Michael Dyer did you still have a okay well I had a question for you on this topic of course we don't know what the original or what the final language is going to going to look like what the Amendments will be does it benefit the
county at all if we brought this up and if we did pass a rural boundary Amendment would that help us avoid preemption or not at least not the way it it's currently written it's retroactive isn't it there's not it's not grandfathered um it would even take
away orange Count's existing yeah so there's a Senate bill that Mr Johanson is speaking to and I I was spending some time on it today because there was a Committee hearing on it yesterday and some rather extensive amendments and they haven't released at least what
earlier today they had not yet released the updated language which I can share with you as soon as that comes out to see what it reflects so what we were really looking at apulo looking at the Amendments that the committee took up yesterday our assumptions was passed and
reading media reports as well um but it's it's not written like the U short-term rental ordinance where it says you know if you have adopted a charter am by a certain day you're grandfather then at least as it's written the house version has not been
updated to reflect the sen amendments from yesterday thank you that that's that's how I'm reading it um this is just my commentary on what on your motion uh Jake I don't I don't disagree with your
reasoning I but I do disagree with the uh with the vote I'm sure that doesn't surprise you I didn't want to delay it to begin with I don't want to delay it now just because I I'm really concerned and really tired
of preemptions from T hassy and I would like us to move ahead boldly again I have no idea if this would if this would pass this Council it is political um Danny it's political in Tallahassee
right now what's happening in Tallahassee right now is very Pro development you look at live local act and and other uh uh other bills that are coming up it's
it's um where we're going to have everything stripped from us that we're allowed to do except for going to ribbon cuting is what it looks like to me the preemptions are just wild and and furious and I I think we need to stand up for our our um
voters here that depend on us to protect their concerns uh Jake you brought up the point which is which is a great point which is why I want to use caution um the the the
feeling the feeling I got when I was up there was that preemption happens when people make knee-jerk reactions um uh now the Orange County
one was not it was done by referendum with what 73% of the vote for one part of it so so that was a um you know that's what the citizens wanted um we're not Orange County we have we
have a pretty big swath of of rural land and and I just want to make sure that that um that that we're thinking through it and and we include whatever this thing ends up looking like so we can say
we we we did our due diligence um uh but we can see how vat goes and then go from there good good point and I I've heard the same thing Jake kneejerk reactions I've also heard that we get preemptions when local governments make
bad decisions or stupid so so I don't like either one both of them are are an attack on this Council and City councils and I'm not taking it personally certainly not from you but from the Senate but I I think it's something we
need to we need to be aware of I'm glad that we're talking about this so the public knows about Senate Bill 1118 and I you know whether you're for it or against it let your uh representative let Senator
Wright know um you be this is how a a republic works you got to let your elected officials know how you feel but okay so the the uh motion on the floor is to away to the
second meeting in April possibly we're going to watch and see what the legislation does second meeting after the last day of session is May 2nd okay so um we should have an at least an idea of
and because maybe the legislation is passed before but unfortunately there's a mad rush sometimes where things are approved lastday session so we'll bring it we'll bring it back as soon as we can get educated on what is has here so a date uncertain so at this
point yes sir okay any other questions chair per hour excuse me before you vote we do have a public participant that would like to speak on this item on this item I don't have it it was just received is it from
Sheldon because she's never spoke here before and she's still not John Nicholson shock shock and all because I believe if you're voting on something the public has a right to make a comment about it absolutely so
um this has not come up so it this is a late thing otherwise I would have let you all know however um it was brought up about the uh Airbnb and the reason why we were able to continue it was grandfathered in
we don't know how this is going to flash out so what um Jake is saying is we'll sit on your hands and do nothing and then we don't know what they're going to do and then we'll work worry about it after they've done it however if we and we have been looking into it and if you
listen to the comments during the flooding a lot of people are in favor of the boundary well I grew up in Miami day and they had a boundary 70 years ago and and it was chome Avenue it was 400th
Street and nobody ever thought we were going to get out to 400th street but they put a boundary well we don't know where this development is going to go uh we may think oh well Enterprise and oin
are rural well I was here 40 years ago when they were having a fight with Deltona Deltona was grabbing land left and right and they thought they would be in the middle of a city we don't know what's going to happen so I would ask you to consider just going along with
what you were planning on doing and whatever happens in Tallahassee you've at least started the ball rolling which is what the public wants and if Tallahassee decides in the future if you've already entered into this they might do that if you've already entered
into this well you can continue on if you have not then you're not grandfathered in because we don't know what they're going to do so I would rather us if the public wants this to continue on with the uh possibility of having it because we never know what's
going to happen in the future thank you Jake I just I want you to this this is my last comment I'm uh I'm not opposed at all to the fact that you brought this up and I
understand why you are especially having since you were just in Tallahassee and you're hearing what's happening there which is exactly uh my reason for wanting to uh to press ahead I am adamantly opposed to
Tallahassee continuing to preempt us and strip away local control our local people um I've spent a lot of time in the public in the last campaign and talking about this and the people wanted it now I don't know if the council
wanted once it or not we would have to debate it and talk about it and at some point we will but the whole point of the rural boundary amendment is an amendment we allow the public to vote on it and see if if they want there's there's nothing uh more um beneficial to a
republic than than that I don't think they letting the people speak so I I'm against I'm going to vote no on this I'm against pulling back I would like the state to see that um we're pushing forward
positively and um with concern for our citizens and um are tired of being railroaded and run over so that's that's my feeling uh councilman Robbins chair just just to uh just to clarify and
legal I think there's a misconception here of um how this is going to go down the what what you just stated earlier to my understanding was that this bill would act
retrospectively so you can vote on this thing right now if the state legislature votes on it we are wasting our time with that being said in order for us to make a a clear
vote Not Duplicate resources in in in in in waste County resources waste County taxpayer money going down some of these rabbit holes I think it is imperative that we know the
scenario on how this originated and what Valia county has done for the last 40 years it may not be called a rural boundary agreement Council but about six things that we do
establish rural boundaries and I think that is very important uh so for efficiency purposes I think it's imperative that we do have the discussion but we need to give all all the facts and not try to Buffalo this
thing through when it could go nowhere and we're going to get run over anyway so uh you know but but we also have to be consistent if we want to do I'm not going to go there never mind okay anybody else Don Dempsey well
yeah just kind of follow up on chair and and Danny's comment Mike so are we sure I know you all said in unison or you all at least shook your head in unison if this passed as written it would be retroactive correct expose facto type of
yeah and I think the chair made the comment as well the house there's a you got to have a House and Senate version and they got to be identical and pass the house version still has does not reflect the Amendments that Senate version made yesterday but
assuming it would and the Senate version is kind of what ultimately is passed it the lease as is written now it doesn't um provide a mechanism to gry the end for Charter mment adopted as of a certain
date okay so as and one thing I should say I should have said before we're talking about the November 26 general election yes so so you're saying both bills as written would wipe out essentially uh
Orange County right now yeah I my reading of it the house version is excuse me me start over the Senate version that got amended last night added a lot of Provisions that I think had a lot more preemptions
do you know how far back that would go I I didn't see that it it grandfathered in anything the way it's written right Paul Miss Paulo If you don't mind let's all stare at
hollo let's make him get on camera if we're going to stare at him 10 seconds Paulo so it is it does state that its effect would be retroactive to um June 11 2011
W Bill Bill or house Senate bill so section 12 um it's a 10 of the legislature that powers granted to municipalities to assum control over land use of an ax area be preserved therefore this section is remedially in nature medial in nature and applies retroactively to an exclus exclusive
method of voluntary Annex anex annexation which was placed into effect after June 1st 2011 and any such method placed into effect thereafter which limits or otherwise infringes upon the power granted to municipalities is void so it's pretty far reaching back
retrospective application both bills just the Senate version the Senate the house does it have the same bite the house bill is the house bill is lagging it's lag it's lagging the Senate bill it's following the Senate bill but your
staff will be ready whenever you want so whatever you decide yeah that but the truth is Don we we don't know what this is going to look like right at the end there's a lot of things uh changing it's
fluid um that's the only question I had really I might have a comment but okay um we do have a motion in a second on the floor and we just had questions and now Don has a yeah no I just I I than great
great job Jake bringing this up and uh because it is a a big issue and I'm glad you but um it's I'd like to uh see how the senate or how the the state plays out with this because I'm sure there's going to be a lot of issues brought up
during those debates that might not even get presented to us at our level or we might just get you know um preempted and then all this would be for not it's just but I understand where you're coming from that's a tough decision it really is but um I I
understand what you're saying Jake and it's it's well taken thanks uh take Johanson it might be our opportunity to make a few phone calls up north see if we can change it too it's
true orgo you know in my opinion Don uh Jake this is this is a needed discussion when I look at what's happening in Tallahassee especially with this bill it's to me it looks punitive it's a direct attack on the counties that have
passed this and um and they don't want it and they uh the other things coming down the line on development aren't aren't pretty for um for local control so any other uh
any other responses then would you please call the role and the the motion on the floor is to postpone this un date uncertain until we see how it winds out through the uh
Senate in the house and the governor you including the governor's signature no I think we can go with I understand the motion was that we don't have to wait for Action by the governor thank you Mr Dempsey question um I just ask a
question real quick do I have time one last question to staff yes I'm sorry this is important go ahead Mike um so let's say it passes the senate or the house both houses how long does it typically take until the governor signs off on something like that it really
depends um there's some bills that he signs while session is still occurring but they've passed both Chambers and other others will'll see in early July so he the governor sets that
priority of what here or she wants so let's just I'm not necessarily saying I'm in favor of this rural boundary I'm not against I I'm undecided but if it passed the house or the senate or both houses I should say um if we enacted or
voted on something before it went to the governor's desk would is it possible we would have uh grandfathered in this not under not in light of the current Senate language
okay could the S language change yes but whatever you would approve you're talking about passing something to put it on the ballot you know right so it would not be approving it you right it's a proposed Charter Amendment so that we're talking November
26 so even if we passed it if they yeah passed the the bill regardless if it's retroactive or not that would still stop it because our vote wouldn't be until November right so it really doesn't make sense to hurry it up it'd be better to wait
because no matter how we vote it's still going to depend on the governor and the house and the Senate right okay yeah I mean all right yeah the only the only
reason is because it's so damn punitive that it allows us to say stop it local control quit taking it away that's right said no you're I mean I agree with you it's like local it's just yeah okay
um [Music] yes oh we're voting yes I'm sorry Mr Dy you had a vote of yes to continue it yes then we Mr Janson yes Mr Reinhardt
yes Mr Robbins yes chair Brower no I understand the vote and I'm I'm not mad at anybody I'm just I'm just tired of having stuff forced down our throat
okay anything else you want to throw in Jake and your closing comments there should be a notice and agenda coming out for the flooding subcommittee uh from the round table of
elected officials either the the chair paritzky or me and uh Mayor Miller will put it out here in the next 24 to 48 hours and um it'll be here at the TC K I think
it's in the training room on the 27th yes that's all I have sir no more no more votings object can you can can somebody turn his mic off please um M Vice chair Reinhardt thank
you chair two I promise mine are quick I hope one thing that uh during the beginning of the meeting um Mr Nicholson brought up and and I wanted to verify it um the lights that he referred to the
traffic lights Daytona controls their own traffic lights Ben true so that's the city of Daytona Beach so I want to make sure that you knew that is not under Council purview so all all traffic lights in Valia County are controlled by Valia County
with exception to the city of Daytona Beach they control their own traffic lights but the one in Orman yes okay fair enough I just want to make sure that was clarified for you because it's a good question because I didn't know that years ago so um the other thing um I want to talk about just to bring
awareness possibly a discussion uh everybody heard about it on the news you watch it on social media there's more videos out there than I care to imagine I've watched a lot of them with respect to the shooting at Daytona
Beach um we under our purview use that word again is the beach and much of the videos that I watched were the amount of people that were on the beach during an unsanctioned event and the Sheriff's
Office had so many deputies out there there was a Dayton Beach police officer that was injured two 19-year-old men that what we're hearing now knew each other that the shooting took place um these are going to happen this doesn't
bring a bad light on Daytona I'm going to just say that first off it doesn't not cuz it happens in a lot of places where we live in that time frame that being said though since the beach is under our purview we Control
ordinances so just for discussion is that something that this Council would entertain with respect to the associated number of participants gathered in the beach environment during an unsanctioned event we had a similar situation with
respect to the city of Daytona they control the bird when we had these unsanctioned events uh representative at the time leak helped uh uh create a law that um kind of assisted with the um trucks and whatnot that were associated
with their event that kind of helped that quite a bit but I I don't know if that that's something that uh this Council would entertain for discussion just a discussion uh with the respect because there was a large crowd if you've watched the video and I wish I had them with
me they were surrounding those deputies um and I think back to you guys are going to laugh working in a jail environment we had a situation like that we controlled it we don't have that luxury out there to put people behind doors like we did in that
environment so that's you know there's there's civilian lives that are at risk there's families that are out there at risk I sit on and share the tourist Development Council I do not want activity like this to be welcomed and I
do not want activity like this to to hurt our tourist industry especially in that day be Jerry we're trying to be Revitalize that these types of activities don't Revitalize it these scare people so and and all takes is you know a media outlet and they have
a right to to uh let us know what's going on and and I welcome that but we have to find a way to control it so I would like to make a motion okay to uh bring staff bring back uh some
sort of language with respect to an ordinance that would control the number of participants that were in one area of the beach especially during the quote unquote unsanctioned event okay no just a second if it's acceptable to
makeer of the motion we'll bring back information on possible options thank you possible options thank you because I know that there's a number of different tools so for example like curfews curfews yeah we did that in eerna so we'll bring back information we'll work
with staff on theyton is a great place I don't want to you know I I wanted to I want it to thrive chair I'll second that um but I'd like to make a comment after we go through the process
okay uh don Dempsey I was just going to say was this um this was during spring break wasn't it this is just this past couple days ago yeah spr spring break I mean we're not trying to curb no no I don't want to chaseing I don't want to chase it away I'm just talking about the
amount of people um you know years ago if you looked at some of the old videos of the 80s and 90s were in a different erir yeah they were having a great time we didn't have anybody that I'm aware of that broke out a weapon and started shooting each other I used to work the
substation behind the oan center and they stayed pretty full yeah it did but we didn't have that type of activity I I worked it back when I was on Coach Street oh so I'm going back a few years so yes it was cut deals right there now there are making just just to point out
before we vote um you know I've been in contact with the Sheriff's Office since this happened had a very long discussion with the chief Deputy they're making 20 arrests per day as it is on average uh I will'll tell you uh just just to put the
information out there when we when we did the Family Resource Center thank you for bringing that up uh you know and putting that to fruition that was a place where deputies were allowed to I mean think about the day when they had to take him to the DJJ
you know the juvel Detention Center that took a deputy off the street anywhere from 6 8 10 hours and then therefore they're pulled that's a resource that's pulled away from that area that's still active this Resource Center they have juveniles that are that are detained they're put in a van they're taken out
to the Family Resource Center but guess where that deputies at Still Still 108 so I mean that's that that's one way we we've done a great job by by activating that Resource Center I'm just thinking let's look at this holistically
and let's look at you know other ways to protect their citizens and protect our our law enforcement Community yeah and it may not be the answer I just want a discussion it may not be I support bouncing around ideas to try and minimize this I just don't want to kill spring break I just no I don't either I don't either Googling it I think the
busiest time for spring break is between March 9th and March 16th of this year so this happened right during the peak of spring break so you know we don't want a couple bad apples no I agree I don't want to throw the baby out with a bath water I really don't I don't want to uh
to hinder spring break I really really don't I don't know if that what I just said as far as the the Associated number I don't know if that's the answer I just want I'm just coming up with something in order to get people thinking the substation might be a pretty good idea
to come back with for at least all the misdemeanor arrests but anyway thank you and I I support your idea of at least kicking it around councilman Robbins that uh I think the discussion is definitely worthwhile um but coming from
Daytona we were used to that right um I think you know giving County Manager a little bit of direction here we'll start the conversation how we can because we got to be careful of who whose toes we step on we have uh a half a dozen other
municipalities up and down our Coastline we have multiple law enforcement agencies but back in the day we had mobile Field Force we had tax squads we had mutual Aid agreements um but knowing our role uh in getting everybody at the table I think
would be uh beneficial I don't know how you would uh enforce this with a crystal ball and with legislation you know or or or an or ordinance I'd like to talk about it but um uh if anything I'd be interested in
any uh County ordinance to um listen the only way we learn as humans is either through pain or or the pocket right obviously pain is limited uh and and in the pocket okay you can make some fines a little a little bit stiffer so you know there's certain things to teach the
kids or or teach the parents to to a little bit more responsibly that we can look at but I think we should uh let the county manager kind of coordinate something and see how we can be that big brother to any of our cities uh I know we give our our our our deputies the the
money and the resources they need to do their jobs and and some uh but let's see how we can can can make it a little bit better I appreciate that can I chair can I respond thank you can um the I agree and and the one of the
biggest players that need to be at the table is law enforcement whether Sheriff's Office Daytona any of those municipalities you know all of them I think that's that's important that they're involved one things for certain are to got you thinking you want did you want
Corrections involved too um I'm not I'm not opposed at all to the conversation right now without the information they're going to bring back I don't see how it I don't see how it's legal to to
reduce a crowd in an unsanctioned event we are seeing more and more of them just because of social media somebody post something Orlando and 20,000 people show up so uh it's it's a worthwhile discussion any any other comments or
questions all right all in favor of bringing back a discussion on the possibility of an ordinance or the the County Attorney is going to bring us back um
uh ideas of what we can do because we don't know right now I don't all in favor say I I any opposed okay that that was you okay uh kelman
Robbins thank you chair and just to piggy back off a Matt's um um suggestion to last about two weeks ago I had submitted some uh actually a p County ordinance uh that they have titled under article six in their in their Charter or
excuse me in their code of ordinances um I gave it to Legal I also gave it to Legal uh judge uh Peter mcglashan on on the sheriff's side and uh it was youth protection ordinance where we pretty much uh outlined uh
the fines for juveniles that want to show the rear ends you know and and and cause some of these issues but also to uh fines at a local level that supersede the state statute uh limit uh and like Sheriff Grady Jud had a had a limit of
about $500 uh to hold the parents accountable um uh and several other things here that that that U I'd like to look at as well staff can we put that on with with Matt so we can put it all together and if uh council's good with that uh to to look at everything also to
circling back to the affordable uh housing discussion we had earlier um and I appreciate you guys giving me the leeway to to talk a little bit more about that because it makes it interesting it looks like there's some tools there that we can negotiate that
listen we all see a need for some of this stuff but at the end of the day when does it stop okay I I let the council know and the public know where I I kind of stand and and uh I have empathy and compassion
there but also too um I learn the value of the dollar through the hard work uh with as little safety nets as possible which incentivized me my family that that came up from nothing my father didn't have steak till he was 20 that's
how dirt poor they were and and at the end of the day that that was kind of passed on to us and I know that we're limited on on how you can't make somebody have that experience but how do we um how do we
get people uh to to be a little bit more independent was was my goal and and with that being said um can we work this statute you or use that as a negotiating tool when we have these presented to us um just like we we did
earlier uh and I think staff is coming back that but can we use that uh in the future you know as leverage uh if that's the direction this Council wants to go and because at the end of the day we we can't be situational
um you know if if this was not an affordable housing act this uh whole Council chamber this thing would have been polarized and energized and the whole chamber would have been full uh against development right but now that it's a
freebie the crowd was empty right and there was no objection up here that's what I find so interesting and and at times ironic um but we can't be situational against certain things uh when it's politically convenient for us so I think if we tune some of these
things up just a little bit we can make it easier to maybe work with or swallow but um Suzanne can you explain um the second part to my question it said the $60,000 was at like
80% of of Market did I understand that correctly can you just clarify that uh what the uh I think it was Banyan developers uh uh committed to was that the average rent on their affordable uh
units would be at the 60% uh average median income limitations and those are posted by the state of Florida so for uh families who meet the 60% average median income uh
levels which um by the way for a two person household is $3 39,7 180 for both incomes the two bedroom unit cannot rent for more than
$1,119 so I believe they back into that based on 30% of your income being attributable to housing but those are the published limitations uh by the state of Florida and do we have any leeway at the local
level to lower that tax bracket or ceiling or do we have to keep it open to that whole for instance like $60,000 the H regulation I was going to say if we can Target it down if we can agree on I will
say this if I will Mr Robin I'm sorry to interrupt and Brad stay stay up because you may need to uh assist me here but um as we sometimes go out uh to advertise available monies that are provided to us
from the state through the ship program uh or from the federal government through the home program and today's example um we sometimes receive more than one proposal and they um often vary on what
their levels of uh restriction will be so we have seen some developments uh come before Council in the recent past uh where they were proposing to provide units at 50% average median income and
even 30% average median income uh which by the way at 30% that two-bedroom unit is limited to a rent not to exceed $559 so uh we do see those lower income brackets but the ship and the home
programs restrictions are set either by the Housing and Urban Development at the federal level or by the state at the ship level and um all of the developers are really following those state and federal guidelines because it is their monies that are being distributed
although I think if we have a competition and there's more than one option the council could favor those proposals that are offering those lesser income bracketed units and Brad how bad did I do no it's great and I think that we
already do that a bit so ship can be uh used on facilities up to 120% Ami we reduce it to 80 because we we have that missing middle we already have that Gap above that 80 to 120 so when we put something out on the street we say 80%
or below so we're already reducing it to what needs are in our community and and just I mean so you understand you know I I philosophically don't really agree with that equation uh but I'm trying to find a way to to better justify it and
and and drill down on the populace whether it's our our veterans whether it's uh our seniors uh handicapped folks special needs folks whatever the case may be but but really be Target specific with how that money's being because I do
agree in in in in some some of that so um but also too and and and Sher several times throughout our tenure up here we we talk about infill how can we promote this if this is the direction that this Council wants to go with
affordable housing um where we can incentivize the cities or work with the cities a little bit closer for this infill that would also help us out in the count County uh in several ways they wouldn't need a train you get this
Redevelopment in in some of these cities you don't have that outward expansion towards uh some of our transitional and rural areas like we uh possibly saw today but we have existing uh transportation and infrastructure in place with Votran that we already pay
for um uh uh promoting and helping the cities out is close to amenities uh closer to jobs uh and and really not putting any burden on SunRail which is a disastrous losing at uh Venture uh in just about uh every aspect so uh I think
that working a little bit closer with the cities when it comes to affordable housing cleaning up maybe some of their areas promoting that infill uh chair as as uh as you had said I agree with you on that uh would would be a great consideration for us um and and maybe uh
that way the money stays local but we're not giving it back it's very Target specific and and whatnot um moving on I found a really cool you didn't need him no Brad's Brad's good thank you Brad don't go too far I found
a uh a really cool um piece of equipment uh that I'd like for us to to look at I briefly uh told the county manager about it um do we have a sound on that so uh as we know you know years ago you had
the M26 and x26 tasers right um so this right here um are kind of like electrified or taser gloves there's a presentation up here uh I said hey how can this help out
uh reduce some risk and liability here in in our jail um Jake is willing to be a test subject on it um but uh you know anything to with officer injuries or correction uh correctional officer uh injuries less downtime saves money with
the em mess and all that stuff you're not doing probe uh probe extractions what's it what's it do what do they do when when you go Hands-On with somebody it only senses the skin in that same voltage instead of shooting
probes um actually is it available to the random ATC director of public protection you might actually be interested that we've already implemented this in the jail awesome uh and it's in our high liability area in ID and receiving and in actually um also in the hospital if necessary it delivers
a a kind of a lower voltage shock than a taser uh and it's only that when the glove touches skin uh and our officers been training on that just a few months it's something that our new director uh well not new director but Joe D Moore uh had some experience with I've seen them
uh not in action but I've seen some demonstrations of them uh with Aja I have not had them demonstrated on me uh but uh but yeah they they've been really effective and and minimizing uses of force then in the jail you you has a you had a a prare for staff meetings uh
listen I I I can do whatever you need me to do you had a really big fow come in earlier one of our Corrections guys yeah Captain Riley Captain Riley yeah he doesn't need the glove but he's he's trained in it and everything yeah can you can we do a
demonstration of him on him I want to do it on him I we can do whatever that might not even phase him I don't know we have to correct the voltage up so uh no that's uh that's that's uh great news thank you for for that man I was excited
I said man this is pretty cool I bet you that's but that's just a testament to see uh how how how great these these guys are uh and last thing to um I got a couple uh complaints for um our new
parking um um regulations and just a consisteny I've seen I've seen two or three on the you're talking about the beach yeah uh and uh parking lot uh off Beach parking um and I know we want to
maximize um our Revenue with that right but how do we do it uh the complaints that I'm getting are listen I pulled over for lunch with my wife I'm old I came back to a $71 ticket I'm a resident or um this I I don't know if that's the
right message to use is there chair uh Council and I I want to hear um Mr Kent's thing and it's not something we have to really go forward with today or but we can have it come back is there a way uh County manager that we can have like is there
meters that we can put in some areas that you can buy 30 minutes or by a half hour maybe at a a little bit higher rate than normal but but not it's just it would leave a bad taste in people's mouth I would be upset if I come back to a$7 something doll ticket you know and
yeah I mean we could take a look but it'll definitely uh require you guys to change some of what you've put in place so we have to look at that as far as where and how but um there may be like a short-term parking what you're looking
for yeah um cuz it's happened like three three or four times and I can I'll send them to you are they County residents yeah so count res could they just park on the beach well and or the Lots the the County residents that's a matter of making sure
that they get uh properly registered and then they can they can do that and I think with time we'll get better uh and we're working very hard on that uh and I don't I think they've got a number but it's nearly
100,000 people have registered so we're good I I will also add and when resident complaints have been Ed to staff from Council Members or they've just come directly to us from residents uh we have generally worked to
relieve them of that fine uh and um allow them the opportunity to register so I think we've taken a very lenient perspective in these first months of the program there will probably need to be a decision at some point in the future
when that leniency sort of rolls down in the expectation as people will have registered but the hour or changing the way that we rate it maybe um something we can talk with our vendor about different options for that we are in a pilot program where we'll come back and
talk you know more about the beach parking uh at the end of the year also no and and no I appreciate that guys and like with anything you know there's un unintended consequences and if we can just keep track of those that way we can uh get better so that's it
thanks thank you um that brings up a question for me uh we're probably all getting a ton of emails about the uh dog beach renewal when does that come up at your next meeting April 1 meeting okay
how did the public know that uh we've been in working closely with Daytona doink nette patella and her group and so she's letting them know that's all uh nette and her very large and extensive volunteer group that's been working with us okay
just a uh a couple I'm not going to go back to to Brad that's that's all right um but George I want to a couple of things that um I appreciate you taking up the the
Miller Lake uh questions that came up again they we do hear them every two weeks um the the property that we just bought today the horse farm do we just I think Ben said we just bought that so
nobody else could I don't think that was going to be a problem but is there any anything that we could do with it to help pre lower water well we'll look at that sure the the the trick is the six others that we bought were a higher elevation and therefore uh because
they're on the Upland we could take that dirt out of there and and create more uh more capacity now this is the lowest point and in theory you could when it all dries out you could take more out of there which would then take
it a little longer to to elevate depending on maybe the groundwater situation but uh but the first thing is just to get it cleaned up and get those buildings out of there uh and then we'll look at how it could be used uh either
for creating more capacity or you know if we were to put a permanent pump station or something you know there'll be uses we'll look at the property to see how we would use the best okay I know we we all we looked at the pictures
um for anybody that's been out there the including you I know you've been you've been there and you've looked at it you've assessed the situation the the water is still there's still docks underwater I know why the people are here there's still one home absolutely I mean we realize and I think an ideal
situation I think I mentioned before we really have to work with St John's water management and and get an established uh uh elevation in there that anything above that then no matter when what time
of the year that we could turn the pumps on you know right now it's by emergency authorization but you know it takes they're going to have to study it and say well for a healthy Lake it should be an x uh
elevation um and so and we've done that or I've helped the City of Deltona because a lot of what we did before was in Delona which then they took it on as a city but we set elevations on a lot of their Lakes kind of the pump on elevation so that they didn't necessar
have to wait for an emergency authorization that it if you because my concern is what their concern partly is in terms of what it you know it's not necessarily always storms it's year it's days and days and days of rain raising
the uh um water table and is there a point where we could turn turn on those pumps and maintain a certain capacity uh in that Lake and and that's really where we have to get with the district and and I in Pre in very preliminary conversations they seem
demean to doing exactly something like that so St John's yes good the um DeBerry pit is full we can't pump there right right now that's right and what we're looking there too is if we continue to use that um we
might need to look at some different routes so that we're not invading their system so to speak uh or going through their system that maybe it could go around into that area and then they may need some help with the district and the
dot to maybe again be allowed to do the same thing can they take their their Pond there their borrow pit and draw it down uh which is what we're hoping right now it's going to go down and and or be but it' be better if they could draw it
down uh to the river so that we would again you'd have that safety valve that capacity sitting there waiting to be used and that was why again they contacted us and said hey you know not for we we loved helping but uh we're
nervous and we like to bring that down and and of course it works in a chain event right so you got to go ahead you get them down then you work your way back up the chain to see you know where you can go you got any kind of pumping you have to pump to somewhere with capacity so build the capacity down
there then maybe we can do some more pumping uh but they're going to have to feel good about keeping their Pond their their part dry and like I say if I could get to the river directly that might take them out of the equation but again but I will say just just throwing some
napkin numbers around you know you're talking this won't be a tiny Endeavor it's a lot of money these systems I think de Barry put $3 million into their system uh and it was a system that again already existed they just upgraded a lot
of it because we put the systems in years ago the pumps in when they before the the Barry was even a city so you know it'll be a big Endeavor when it gets done in the meantime we'll have to depend on emergency pumping and try
to stay out of ahead of it and again dry weather I have seen that thing down and it it if we get right now I mean I know every rain storm they're getting a little nervous but we're we are having a lot of dry days and I've seen a lot of other places that have receded so with
with a little luck maybe we won't have as wet a summer uh as we've had in the past past couple of years yeah um we could use that luck the the uh do St
John's um have been helpful in pumping this now it's stopped because the pit is full is the just west of this area is all that land private and unavailable to pump and I mean we can't just flood
somebody else out either but is that all private land it is it is we would have we would have to give permission and Ben has been in contact uh with one of the Orlando owners over there so um there may be some possibility to do some
pumping in that direction uh but he has he has but it is private so right now and there is a lake back in behind there as well but that Lake goes right up to the uh the Barry Country Club and where there was they were having elevation
problems uh with houses there so you can't move it from one place uh that's flooding to another place is flooding it's got to be uh to somewhere that has that capacity so uh there's land to the West
there's a big TV tower on it uh but there might be maybe some room down that area uh eventually you can get to the river but you got to get under the railroad track and uh which would again be the do the do owns the track but we
can work with them and we've already had some preliminary conversations about maybe going out that way you get to Dutchman's Ben uh which is a road out uh and a ditch system that might take it to the river uh but St Johns though you know we'll
have to work with them again on what you know what circumstances are you going to take it to the river and what elevation because again they toughened their stance in the last few years if you got houses flooding along the river they're not going to want you to put any water in it so that's what we ran into this
year was you know where are you going to pump it to right that's the million dooll question when I talk to St John's or anybody else it's just right we don't have places to put water my my my last question and I I
hope that the people of around Miller Lake will listen to this later and see that the council did take it up that staff took it up U I know the frustration i' I've been there I've looked at it I've looked at the permit
and the permit seems clear to me that it was for the professional building to remove to take that water that's what the wear was for and I if I'm wrong correct me um but can all is all that
water all that water can't be coming from the underground water storage at the at the professional building can it no I mean uh I'll have B go but you're talking about a very very large Basin so I mean
it's six to9 he'll have the acreage but it's many many acres it's not just coming from that uh Shopping Center in that area that is a definite contrib that what the permit was written for the permit was written because when the
Royal Oak shopping center was originally built in the80s or whenever that was they didn't have a retention Pond they had what we called an underground exfiltration system which you've seen in some of the L discussions it's an underground Vault system essentially
where large drain Fields so they storm water from their development from their parking lot would go into into the inlets and into the pipes and then drain into the ground and then what happened I think going back to' 04 and then
definitely in Fay is that parking lot in that Royal Oak Center is low it's kind of lower than everything around it on that side of 1792 it's still higher than Miller Lake but in that area and so when they get those large rain events basically any underground ax filtration
system has no emergency pop off it cannot go anywhere it's just filling up filling up and then they would also get overflow from the adjacent Wawa Pond it would stage up high because again that area is the receiving for a hundreds of
Acres large Basin so it they at one point had a pump and I know all this because I used to work for Orange City but they had a pump in there and they would pump from that parking lot from that system that xville
system with no outfall into the Big Lots Pond which is the pond next to 1792 where the dot has the pipe that goes under into Miller Lake well the city of Orange City I think around 2016 2017 went to them and said look you have no
permit for that pump you know you got to stop operating it and this was again the previous owner and so they hired an engineer and they went and requested basically a permit through the Water Management District to install what essentially is an overflow pipe that
it's a 15in pipe 15in grab uh diameter pipe not a very big pipe by any stretch of the imagination and they had a control structure with a wear so to prevent the xfill system when the groundwater came up from back feeding and basically
taking the sucking the groundwater down and sending in the Big Lot pot and they have a weir that stops that from happening but when it stages up to a certain point it flows over the wear goes to the Big Lot pond so during larger rain events they have an outflow um an emergency outfall essentially um
that's what that permit is for it is essentially to provide an outfall in large rain events for the uh Royal Oak center now during really large rain events like uh Ian I'm sorry like Milton and tropical storm Fay that 15-in pipe
isn't moving all that water so what happened during Milton it also happened during Fay is the parking lot fills up floods the Royal Oak goes over the road right there which is Treemont goes right over that road the 15-inch pipe's not moving all that water it's got to go goes into Big Lots like that except this
time when the parking lot water staged up it actually cut a hole right through Treemont and wash that entire Road out so that's the nature of the permit uh for whatever reason the previous owner took the we out and uh as soon as
the water R District found out and notified the current owner they put it back in so that's strictly what that permit was now when they um were going through the permanent processing the Water Management District
uh put in as part of their um uh request for additional information that they reach out to the county and see if the county objected to the issuance of that permit at the time we had just completed our project which created 20 plus acre feet of additional storage in Miller
Lake their engineer said that that um pipe would cause take up two acre feet about 10% of the volume we created in that Lake and then that's why we basically issued a letter of no objection saying based on the increased
capacity that the county created in Miller Lake and the fact that they're saying that they're only putting 10% of that water in there there was an an objection there was no objection from the county okay thank I'm I'm trying to get
to to the answer that these people they come in here they've asked me personally when I'm there every two weeks when they come that they'll talk about the the permit and it clearly says it can be revoked if it's altered it can be revoked by the Water Management District
Professional Building altered it St John's decided not to revoke it it was rebuilt the wear reinstalled reinstalled re with they're permanent um I I think one thing it's important to remember and Tad touched on it when he
talked about storm water and he talked about how water enclosed basins goes either via runoff or through the ground and so the point is in that Basin Miller Lake is the bottom part of that Basin it is the low point point so that water in
that Basin moves to Miller Lake whether it moves over the surface through a pipe or underground it's all going to Miller Lake or through a road see the thing is if you go back in time and that's what we're doing and studying when there was nothing there nothing there there's
clearly data that shows the lake was where it is today full so you know there was no shopping center there was no nothing there why did how did that happen that's because the topography of the land sends the water there then man came in and we built a dam across there
called 17 so 1792 acts as a dam well you know if you build dams and you don't have a relief on the dam what happens it blows out so the do many years ago put a pipe through there because of the pressure of
that water going down and that's how you got pipes that go right into Miller Lake from the dot now later on they upgraded and put a pond a settling Pond to help clean the water that goes into Miller Lake but that's when they say if you talk to the do their answer is going to
be and is the answer is the water's going in there anyway we're just controlling it so it doesn't blow out our infrastructure and then add in the shopping centers yes they collect more it's impervious and they're sending it uh quicker to the to the lake during a
storm but again if there was nothing there the water would still go there it would have flown if you if you look at the topography it would have been like a ditch or a canyon or whatever that come comes out of there and right down into Miller Lake so uh really what's happened
through the years is 1792 has act more like a dam it's held back water up there and then of course now you have uh this infiltration system you're talking about and behind that you have the uh Pond from the Wawa pond so so it's cascading
but eventually it's going to either go underground or over the ground to uh Miller Lake one thing is when we when the county bought those properties and dug them out as Mr Ron walls talked about um we applied for permit a permit from
the Water Management District and part of their permit process is when it comes time to recommend approval from the permit they do a technical staff report that kind of goes through the whole thing and they actually gave a history and I don't have it exactly on me but I'll paraphrase what it says I've been going back and doing some research on
everything and uh they talk about the history of Millow Lake and they talk about how um for a fair amount of time the Lakes dry and then in periods of high rain and high and and large rain events it fills up and they actually talked about obviously 04 and' 08 Fay
but they actually mentioned an interesting time in the 80s when it did the same thing I guess there was a a large rain event in in sometime in the 80s and it actually over topped its banks then too so they have some history as to that well we've got stuff now goes back like I say the 1800s and we got
photographs into the 1940s right that are showing showing that same thing because if anything I know it's hard to grasp but it one of the reasons it was drying up in the past is because it was being held back by water was being held back
by 1792 it was damned off from going there and that's why water management they have the responsibility in both directions they can't be flood but also you're not supposed to dry Lakes up either so at the end of the day they're trying to make that balance and that's what we're trying to say is we got to
get to what that balance elevation is and then be able to maintain it that that's the trick to the whole thing you can't pump the thing dry if I was living there uh and I didn't like L Lake I'm sure I'd want it pumped dry but St John's not going to let you do that
because they have the they have the responsibility of of keeping that balance in there and that's why also when you see development we've talked about any kind of development pre-imposed the amount of water that left that site before we ever got there is still
supposed to leave that site to go down and nourish that Lake put water in that lake or in that Wetlands whatever is Downstream so otherwise yeah it'd be great if you held it all up but you'll be drying up something you weren't supposed to dry up I mean and that's in
a nutshell but but here's the impass with that community and I I am I'm not arguing with you I I'm I'm really trying to help them understand help me understand but they you've heard them say it they went
through Ian and Nicole and and this didn't happen they've lived there many many years now you're talking about photographs that show it's been this this um uh the Water level's been this High
they've lived there a lot of year somebody said this morning they've lost 50y old oak trees why is it so different now well first first of all Ian and Nicole on that in that part of the county did not get near the amount of rain that Milton
got and um you know part of it is Milton in that particular location was a storm I mean in the Orange City delay location is a storm that frankly we haven't seen in a long long time in this part of vucha County uh Fay is the Clos thing we
had to that type of storm and but you had similar I I know there's some folks that have lived there during Fay and some of that and I know some of the folks that have been in here haven't and I know for a fact that they weren't here during Fay and
so what what I would say to that is that particular lake when we get rain events like Milton Fay or whatever happened in the ' 80s or 04 this is what's going to happen in that Lake it it is that is 100% what's going to happen and um that
that's the answer to their questions is this is the natural uh cycle for Lakes like that and it's not just that Lake there's Lake Gertie I mean you can you can go through some of the Lakes I mean I remember when I first started with the county I had a group of folks come to Roden Bridge from Lake Helen wanting us
to put a dam in Lake Helen because the lake was dry I remember seeing winam set with docks you know 10 ft in the 10t above the water so the nature of the water bodies in this part of valua is that they fluctuate wildly and it's
tremendously dependent on the amount of rainfall we get whether it's a high-intensity rain event like Milton or a high average annual rainfall that's not to say that there's not a solution to that I mean the solution is finding that balance and finding the ideal lake
level go ahead and do that but the cost of that I just warn everybody CU I like to be the dark Cloud uh what you pay me for is but the cost what we're trying and I've said this multiple times the
cost may be bear out that uh some of these houses may not be defendable it may not be cost effective if you live too close to the lake you either going to have to learn to occasionally be get at least nervous maybe flooded depends
on how where it goes you know that's going to have to to be the answer or we're got to buy them out I don't know what else to again cuz that is where the water wants to go and and and St John's isn't going to let us
build a canal and I can ask Deltona about that because Deltona actually did that in 2004 they completed a big Canal that was on an old plat from the original uh Mackle Brothers uh and then guess what happened it worked it worked great
brought the whole lake Tesa chain down and then they got sued because people who lived on the lake said wait a minute I I I want to have my dock in the right spot where I can't put my boat in anymore and so they had to Brick up the
the canal and and let water stay in that system and that's the balance that you got we got to have now I think they're working with St John's and I think they have some ability now or they're working on to use that Canal uh more frequently but but that was all the way back in two
2004 in in this particular case we're actually fortunate that the dot has a force Main and a pump system that takes that water to bury otherwise we would had to to do what you saw in I4 where they lay had the the temporary pipe all the way from Saxon Boulevard essentially
all the way down to to the river and and and we would have to do something like that what I will say is that existing Force main it's a certain size I think it's 6 in it only moves a certain amount of water if you know and the amount of water we can pump drops the lake about an inch a day and you heard I think the
gentleman earlier said evaporation is taking 2 Ines out of it right now that's great I mean combination of evaporation and percolation is is what's moving more water right now than we could pumping in the system we have I know what certain things cost and and to jump on the Doom
and Gloom you know you're looking at a 12-in force man might move 2500 gallons a day so 2 and 1 12 Ines a day you're looking at 1 to 1.3 million a mile to put just the pipe in the ground so it's two miles to go Due West through the
antenna property under the railroad to the river it's 5 miles to get to the DeBry pit if you run it down the railroad track and it's about 7even miles for another option that we're looking at so take those miles multiply it by 1 to 1.3 million that's just the pipe that's not the for uh Pump Station
which to pump 2500 gallons a minute you're looking at a three Pump Pump Station probably run you couple million dollars right there and then to cons you know you got to do the design the permitting and everything else so you're looking at a hefty price tag to put in a
system that's capable of moving the amount of water you want to move if we have to pump water out of there in advance of a storm or things like that it's not cheap to also keep everything in mind we got all that studies remember there's
over 30 studies going on right and and we got places that got flooded a lot worse than what's going on there I mean we got on the east side of County you got thousands of homes that actually had water in them in the living
space so we're going to have to deal with all of those issues as well and with that amount of studies oh it's $8 million in studies will probably generate hundreds of millions of dollars in projects and we do we're fortunate
we've got some money we've never had that before so I have some hope but we're going have to be very strategic as as we go forth because the money will run out there'll be there'll be more um needs than what there really are for money so you got to be careful and I
know they're diligent and and uh and I my hats are off to them and also the others being very good community-minded but unfortunately for us we have to look at a much bigger picture so um and and you know you guys
uh got 60 5 million uh of projects out on the street into the cities into the areas where a lot of that flooding really got into into houses so and and there'll be more coming so uh I mean we haven't even seen some of the
other cities it weren't ready yet they'll be bringing theirs next can we could we have used that $ 1.7 million for the affordable housing this morning towards any kind of storm water management I wish we could have but no we could not that was specifically for
that and that might be you know again we maybe a legislative uh movement in the future is again to give us a little bit more flexibility on programs like that so that we could use them that would be wonderful um and maybe that's
a a goal in the future on on items but uh even on this HUD and you got that plan coming forward the next chunk of money and we heard you loud and clear on the last one and we're doing everything we can to work to you know we have to
fill the housing part of it but as much as we can use for mitigation and for uh um the flood damage uh and infrastructure then that's what's going to do so you'll see a different percentage uh when that comes to you
here shortly in the next couple meetings okay thank you Michael Dyer yes just wanted to mention and I wasn't able catch a comment before Mr Robins Clos but if you want an agenda item on the juvenile curfew I don't believe you
made a motion if Council wants to do yeah can can we just add it to Matt's in that discussion is is that the will of council sure all right thank you and and
chair I had something to if you were uh done just to kind of help I think it would help us out too you know when we have people come up and help maybe triage these these situations I know it personally help me out knowing uh if
people come up with a flooding issue uh or complaint I'd kind of like to know if we can ask them if they live in a flood zone if they live in a flood plane do you live by water because there's some sort of uh liability that that I mean you you
kind of pay for that you know what I mean and and some of these folks that are experiencing flooding don't live by water or places that are very flood prone or have a history of it so I think it would help us narrow down where we can Target this
uh but also too you know you live by water there's an inherent risk to some of this stuff but no good discussion appreciate it thanks oh my God I thought you were raising your hand and I don't see anybody else then we
will adjourn at 8:30 just a a note you're adjourn but the sub flooding subcommittee meeting is the 28th at 10:00 a.m. not the 27th I
apologize March I also think the astronauts landed and thank you so much