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he [Music] the February 20th 2025 hearing for the planning and Land Development regulation is now called to order and if I could have you silence any audible devices
that you may have and if you could please join me for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with
liberty and justice for all good morning everyone I would like to thank all of you for being here this morning and uh Miss Summers could I please have a roll call good morning Miss Craig here Mr sixma is
absent Mr Patterson not present Miss Shelly here Mr Costa here Mr mels here thank you thank you Miss Summers okay we do let me take care of a
little few items here this morning we do have variances that you may want to consider it takes four positive votes to pass any of the variances we only have four members here this morning out of seven so if you'd like to continue your
case you may do so and we'll go ahead and push that forward to our next meeting but that would be an option you need to consider when it comes time for yours to be heard if you'll let us know at the beginning we will go ahead and continue or you can let us know by a
raise of hands if you'd like to do that um before we get the meeting going but I just want you to be realize you got to have four positive votes to approve a variance and there's only four of us here today okay we may have another member coming in I don't know if he will
be here in time your case is being heard but I am giving you that option okay okay we do have minutes uh to discuss from January 16 2025 any discussion on those minutes from Miss Craig any uh any
discussion on the motion all those in favor signify by saying I I any oppose motion carries unanimously we also have a revision to the October 17th 2024 am minutes in for the order ordance
0253 any discussion on that revision okay uh I'll entertain a motion pardon me I move to accept Okay second I got a motion to accept the revision to the October 17 2024 minutes
for the case of 0253 from Miss Craig and a second from Mr Costa any discussion on the motion all those in favor signify by saying I I motion carries
unanimously okay if anyone would like to speak for against any of the cases being heard today if I could please get you to fill out a form at the back of the dis and give it to miss Summers to my immediate left and we will be limiting you to a three minute time limit
for those comments and after the comments have been heard I will give the applicant an opportunity to address any concerns the speakers have and answer any questions the Commissioners may have and at this time I'd like to turn it over to Mr sorya for legal comments
thank you Mr chair and this is for uh members of the public and any applicants that Decisions by this body on special exception cases and cases which reone Real Property from one classification to another pursuing to the zoning ordinance are recommendations only to the County Council and do not constitute a final
hearing new evidence may be introduced at the County Council public hearing however decisions on variances made by this body constitute final action subject to an appeal to the County Council and what this means is that no new evidence may be presented at the time of the County Council public
hearing on the appeal an agreed party that appeals such a decision is confined to the record made before this body hearings by this body on rezonings special exceptions and variances are quasa judicial in nature meaning that this body is acting more like a court and must take into account all oral
written or demonstrative evidence presented their decisions on these cases must be based on competent substantial evidence in the record competent substantial evidence has been defined as that evidence a reasonable mind would accept to support a conclusion thank you Mr chair thank you Mr sorya and while on
legal comments I'd like to ask the Commissioners to disclose for the record any experte Communications that have occurred before or during the public hearing at which a vote is to be taken on any quasa judicial matter and I'll start with my immediate right Miss Craig
none none and I have none okay before we get started this morning I want to take up a little bit of housekeeping uh here um I know in the past we have I have not requested that
you've hit your request to speak button when it comes to that time you'd like to make a comment and because we do have uh in April we're going to be having an the full board here so I'm going to ask that we start doing that um it makes it a lot
easier on me to keep things going smoothly so if you don't mind just uh hit your request to speak button and I'll have you recognize and if I don't you can throw something at me okay okay we do have some items to be uh
withdrawn uh Z2 24016 um Miss Smith do you want to comment on that yes sir U this applicant was looking to rezone their property to subdivide it um it was that she asked to continue the item so she could consult
an attorney and was going to come back she has consulted her attorney and decided to withdraw the application okay and because they're withdrawing we do not need a vote on that is that right Mr sorya uh I think it because it's been noticed yeah because it's been noticed we do need a vote to accept the
withdrawal okay so withdrawal continuance uh it's oh this is a withdrawal yeah this full withdrawal yes full withdrawal so they can come back and with another application if they so choose in that case I'll make a motion on z-4 d016 to
approve the withdrawal second okay I got a motion on the floor to approve the withdrawal for Z2 24016 from Mr Costa and second for Miss Shelly any discussion on the motion all those in favor signify by saying I I I
any opposed motion carries unanimous okay we do have some unfinished old business so we'll get started and uh Miss Shell could you read the first case in please yes sir case number v-
25-6 uh variances to the minimum yard requirements on Prime agriculture A1 zoned property thank you Miss Shell and let me see who this is Miss Smith this one is
yours yes sir uh the applicant's requesting seven variances this is a 1.05 acre parcel in Pearson Florida it's zoned A1 which is prime agriculture uh they're looking to build a single family home a pool a detached garage a pole
barn and a workshop uh variants one and two are for the single family residents variance three is for the garage variance four and five are for the pole barn and variant six and seven are for the workshop this is a vested parcel it's
called Meyers unrecorded number six subdivision there is a mobile home on the property that they will be removing to build their new home uh the A1 setbacks only allow for a 15t by 170t buildable area as you can see on the screen and you can't fit anything in
that area access to the site is from Harper Road on the left hand side of the page via an easement to the west side of the property the parcel to the east is not vested so the proposed Workshop that they're looking at yoland can you go to
the next page in the lower right corner is not blocking any legal easements and we do recommend approval of all seven variances and I'm happy to answer any questions thank you Mr Smith any questions for staff hearing none is the applicant present you would like to come
forward please good morning could I get your name and address for the record your mic's off okay is the mic on there is it green over there give me hit my button here Yolanda and see if that's causing it I have no
okay okay now try it hello okay there you go that's what I was saying I told you earlier I saw that okay I got a magic button back here if I could get if I could get your name and address again for the record
okay my name is jacine Cortez coio mine is Elo M Dragon Santana Jr and then the address is 1235 Harper Road Pearson Florida 32180 okay you've heard the staff report and you heard what I said at the beginning of the meeting you have to have all four of us and uh for those
of you in the audience that have ones coming up if you uh before we get into reading yours into the record if you decide that you want to do that after we hear this case I'll ask again if not we're going to proceed okay you've heard the staff report anything you'd like to add to
it nothing all not right now okay do we have any questions for the applicant okay we don't have any questions so we'll see where this goes okay okay thank you okay I'll I'll be glad to make a motion I'm going to close the four for public participation do we have any public
participation no sir sit down all right michell go ahead you can have a seat I'll be glad to make a motion that we approve variance 25- 006 the variance to the minimum yard requirements on Prime agriculture A1 zoned
property at 123 1235 Harper Road Pearson second okay I got a motion on the floor to approve v2500 six from Miss Shelly and a second from Mr Costa any discussion on the
motion all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed motion carries unanimously he Melle could I get the next oh is there anyone that would like to continue their case okay if you want to come
forward okay which case is yours ma'am it's the first one on new visit bus V 2510 okay V 2510 Y and would the next meeting be sufficient for you yeah okay uh Miss
Smith is there an issue with that no sir that will be fine okay we do have a member of the public that would like to speak you do have a member of the public I do okay been continued um okay we're going to I'm going to give them an opportunity to speak
uh it would just be on whether or not to continue it you don't you can't bring up the actual item itself because you're just going to continue the item so we're not going to listen to the no you can you can but the the discussion on is whether or not to continue the item to
the to the March 20th pdrc meeting is what the proposal is rather than the substance of the actual variance itself yeah okay okay well okay let me okay we're here
she wants to continue to the March what was that March 20 March 20th so you need a motion yes I make a motion on case B-25 d010 to continue it to the March 20th pdfc meeting second okay I got a
motion on the floor to continue the V 25010 to the March 20th meeting from Mr cost and second for Miss Shelly any discussion on the motion all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed motion carries unanimously we'll hear
your case on March 20th thank you okay all right and I need to have make a comment here okay we did have a speaker on that case correct pardon he's okay with the
continuance okay he'll be back in March okay all right that settles that okay let's get back on track here Miss Shell could I get the next case in the uh old unfinished business please yes sir case number v- 25-
007 application requesting variances to minimum yard requirements on and accessory dwelling unit Adu regulations on Urban single family residential r3s three sheds in the northeastern Corner the proposed Adu is to be located in the
southe be located in the Southeastern corner of the property the requirements for an adus is to meet the same setback requirements for the principal structure uh staff's recommendation uh for the proposed Adu is to deny
variances 1 through three as the Adu can be relocated and redesigned to meet the Adu regulations however should the pdrc find that the applicant has provided competent substantial evidence to support approval of the variances there are two conditions provided for consideration I'm available for
questions thank you Miss Ray any questions for staff no is the applicant present you would like to come forward please good morning could I get your name and address for the record Lura Grimaldo it's 309 Cortez Avenue on
Springs Florida 32130 okay you've heard the staff report anything you'd like to add to it um just because we wanted the the setbacks on the the 10 feet and and the you know the regulations is because if we follow the
20 and the the 8 ft required um it's going to be so our home is like look how it's set back in the the backyard is not flat so it has like a bound so if if we do the regulations as as as they say the house is the DUI the Adu is going to be
um Rec Clos to our home and it'll be like a hazard and then the other side also it will have to knock down a that we have there that we don't want to cut down that's why we're looking for the approval of the variances
okay all right do we have any questions for the applicant I have a question okay yes um my question regards um as noted in the staff report the uh your Adu is going to be greater than 50% of the primary residents and as I was had read
through your comments about your reason for requesting it that did not come up in your comments so I was just we can we can work with that if um cuz it's only like a it's 51% greater it was it's like an inch I don't know according to the
sizes what we got that we got so we can even if we can do it smaller if needed like so it's very close it's very yeah it's like 1% above the how many square how many square feet are we talking about um says 875 in the
no over the limit over the limit about 18.5 ft 18 mm 18 18 that I just didn't see those numbers in here so I wanted to clarification one thing 50 or 100 I'm good yeah Mr chair we will be working on changes to our um
or our ex our ordinances to allow for an administrative change that that's that is that small okay great thank you that helps thank you very much I do have another question for the applicant can you put up um the picture on page 10 of 17 the top the picture I can't flip back I can't
can we zoom in on that at all there we go um so my question to you is looking at that picture on the screen M the so the Adu is off to the upper the top the top Corner up there after you're putting it up in that
location correct side the other side okay over here cor yeah CU that we have a shed there where the water pump is on the other side okay so that's why we couldn't put it there so that small structure that's directly behind your house that uh that that right there what is that's a dog pen I'm sorry a dog pen
a dog pen okay all right okay so we're putting it in that bottom corner then to avoid any you said trees see cuz we have that tree above it like if you go a little bit that's the tree and if we do the 20 ft and the it's going to be very close to the corner of
our room which is that other side and then the tree will have to knock it down if we have if we go and there will be so little space cuz we've measured between where the corner of the ad will be and our house okay is this property on
septic yes the septic tanks in their side it's like on the other side of the house no like right like where she has her little arrow okay got you all right so you're right there yeah okay all right I just wanted to clarify on that one then thank you you're welcome okay we don't have any more questions for you
do we have any public participation okay no sir we don't have any public participation so you can have a seat we're going to close the four for public participation open up for commission discussion or a motion go ahead approve
requ second okay I got a motion on the floor do we have any conditions on this Rick um yes there's two conditions two staff conditions yes okay um let's go back to that accessory
structures I need a paper copy and what are those conditions accessory structures what accessory structures are we talking about here yes oh the plastic shed that's the only one I'm thinking that can be would you would you put the
page of the conditions on our screens please thank you it's hard to without the paper to flip around it's hard to find those conditions they should be listed in the staff report here it's on page five um there okay a little further there
okay it's one is it one condition two two okay I I'm on five of 17 I show two are you looking for that accessory there it is okay thank you the accessory structure yeah which one is that which one is that the only thing I see is this
shed up here but other than that I don't see Mr Ray you want to tell us which yeah number two what are those other structures what is that structure you want to have removed is it that plastic shed so the
um applicants also own the parcel to the South um and there is um on our property appraisers website shows that the property is vacant however um there is an accessory structure on that property and that's just stating that that property will need to be or that um
accessory structure will need to be permitted well it says removed oh permitted okay never mind removed or permitted I didn't see the permitted part okay Mr sorya can we tie another parcel in I was ask that question variance like that yeah
not combined so it this is a vacant parcel that is what non-conforming yes so uh we usually use the rule of uh of you know that they have to be combined
on um for vacant Parcels that are legal non-conforming in uh in use so um this kind of says that they should do this uh otherwise it is a
Code Enforcement issue because you would have um accessory Parcels without a primary okay so they pretty much have agreed to do this in other words okay so we will worry about it all
right all right I about to strike it but okay we don't want to Stir It Up okay we got it does that or we still got the motion and the stands with the conditions with the conditions yes sir two conditions if I can remember who give me the uh motion second got it okay
we got a motion from Miss Shelly to approve variances one two and three um V 25007 with the two staff conditions and M a second for Mr Costa any discussion on the
motion all those in favor signify by saying I I I any oppose motion carries unanimously okay um I hate to go back but when you we approve v256 I think there was one condition on
that also was there not Miss Smith and I don't know if that got put in the record one condition yeah I don't think we discussed that condition in there can we open that back up Mr sorya yes you
can for the purpose of adding the condition to that okay was a staff recommendation to approve anyways but um I can amend my motion to add the condition well there's a condition on that that's fine okay yeah uh we're going to open up the case
v256 to add for the purpose of adding the condition that we omitted in our first conversation so Miss Shell if you'd like to do you want me to make a totally new motion or do you want me yeah you can make a motion to add the staff condition I I I move to add the
staff uh subject to the staff condition second okay in reference to v256 we're making a recommendation to add the we're adding the staff recommend the one staff recommendation uh motion to do that for
Miss Shell and a second for Mr Costa any discussion on the motion all those in favor signify by saying I I any oppos motion carries unanimously oh you go wa for two weeks you get rusty [Laughter]
huh there for renovations for an existing single family residence variance one is to reduce the West rear yard from 20 ft to 19.6 Ft variance two is to reduce the East front yard from 25
ft to 20.1 Ft variance three is to increase the maximum lot coverage from 35% to 39% and variance four is to increase the maximum Building height from 35 ft to 37.2 ft when the residence was originally constructed in 2002 it
slightly encroached into the rear yard setback variance one is to legitimize the location of the existing residents one of the proposed Renovations is to extend the entry of the home to provide better access for the proposed elevator uh variance 2 is to the proposed
entryway within the r 9 zoning uh there is a maximum lot coverage of 35% and a maximum Building height of 35 ft with proposed Renovations a lot coverage will increase uh to to approximately 39% according to the applicant submitted
site plan the residents will remain three stories but will have a flat roof instead of a sloped roof uh Building height is measured at the highest point of the flat roof and according to the elevation plans the new wall is the highest point on the roof at 37 .2
ft um within our code solar panels pen houses and other similar accessory structures customarily required to extend above the roof level May extend an additional 25 ft above the maximum Building height prescribed for the zoning classification um the penthouse shall
not be used for purposes other than shelter of mechanical equipment of or shelter of vertical shaft opening in the roof and the elevator Tower can be considered a vertical shaft opening staff's recommendation for variant one is for approval and variances 2 through four is for denial
however should the pl Dy from the applicant has provided competent substantial evidence to support approval of the variances there is a condition provided for consideration available for questions thank you m Ray uh we have questions for staff
Mr okay Mr Costa thank you we're going to skip this uh queue today because they're coming up as our David Santiago oh okay they're coming up us that's all right if we can get that adjusted for our me future yeah I don't want to be on
Council I don't know who who's requesting somebody is so my my question um I my question Miss Ray is on the denial of variance three that ex that extra lock coverage is to accommodate the elevator shaft is
it not or am I looking at this incorrectly it's the proposed entry way and yeah but it's combined the entry way and the Elevator Shaft are together yes sir all right so by denying three is there a suggested alternative to locating that
Elevator Shaft I mean can it go someplace else that potentially U I would have to different you would have to refer that to the applicant because it's their okay all right but there's no other I'm looking at the way this thing is designed I don't see any other place to put it so
um Frank I I can get away with the from variance three I seem to remember there was something about it could be in the garage I believe yeah we'll discuss that with the applicant when that's fine I'll wait for the applicant to come out comes forward any other questions for
staff okay is the applicant present would you like to come forward please and if I could get your name and address for the record I'm Jonathan frian and I live at 501 Prairie Lake Drive for in Park Florida okay I'm Tim
Perry I'm the architect on this job and my office is 235 South matland Avenue mland Florida okay you've heard the staff report and some of the concerns that Mr Costa had are is anything you'd like to add to it yeah a couple of
things on the um on the S the elevator that is the only location it can go feasibly with to go on the house properly the front entrance is pulled out so you can get access to the elevator from the inside uh we do have some extra concrete
here on the left side of the house going back that will be remove that probably will bring this down to I would say half of that so we probably be in the 36 37% range and the
elevator right now in that entry is on existing concrete that's there right now like the old entry and driveway so we're not really increasing the impervious area at all in fact by moving this sidewalk on left side we'll be reducing the existing
impervious coverage so I'm if I may if I'm looking at this drawing correctly ly um that elevator then is accessible through the garage it's it's through on the ground level yeah right through the garage on the ground level and then obviously into
the house on the other the upper the next two three levels and which sidewalk you say is potentially down the left side there's an access we're going to keep the the the walk down the right side of the house but these the concrete next to the house there's like two to
three fet on both sides that will be removed MH so that coverage is figured into that 39% so to it's 50 * three yeah we'll be yeah removing the a conditioning pads and putting them on
the roof too so we we're going to be removing 300 feet of sidewalk will be removed okay and that's that's going to bring us down right looking at this picture we're talking on the on the bottom half the bottom of that of that picture where it says shows three foot concrete walk yeah that's what we're talking about yes okay
all right I'm I'm good okay any other questions for the applicant and yes just a one and the yes please oh sorry um on the roof MH the the heights it that's just on that elevator section you're not raising the whole roof that small
portion yes yes it's a 6 feet by 8 ft get up in a walk out area thank you and that was one of my questions what's the current height at the building now it is a uh 3 the it's taller than that it's the the
maximum height that is right now is 38 because it has a peaked roof on it so but the mean roof height was at 35 so we're actually our knee wall is lower than the existing roof okay that's what I okay yeah got it all
right okay any other questions for the applicant do we have any publication forms on this one no sir okay all right we're going to close the four public participation open up for commission discussion thank you sir thank you okay we're closing the floor for
public participation open up for commission discussion any discussion on this here or I'll take a motion make a motion on case B-25 d008 approve variances one through four with the one staff recommended condition
second okay I got a motion on the floor to approve variances 1 two 3 and four for case number v258 with the one staff condition from Mr Costa and a second from Miss Shelly any discussion on the
motion all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed motion carries unanimously okay thank you all right and then we um we have stricken
2510 so we'll move right into V 25014 okay one moment here 14 got it okay case number v- 25-14 variance to the accessory dwelling unit Adu regulations on Prime
agriculture A1 and Forestry resource F FR zoned property thank you Miss Shell Miss Ray this one's yours so that applicant is requesting a variance to allow an Adu to be greater than 50% of the living area of the
principal structure at approximately 50.5% the property is 40 acres and is currently developed with a 644 ft mobile home that was built in 1984 the applicant is proposing to place a 1,280 ft mobile home on the property and
utilize that as a primary residence intending for the existing mobile home to be converted into that Adu as previously stated the Adu is approximately um 50.5% of the living area of the principal detached um staff
is working on a revision to uh admin variance ordinance to allow small overages to be approved administratively um there are two two letters of support in the report um and staff's recommendation is for approval I'm available for questions thank you
Miss Ray any questions for staff hearing none is the applicant present good morning sir can I get your name and address for the record Damen Hughes 1101 buckles Road Pearson Florida 32180 okay you've heard the staff report anything you like to add to it if there
other than it's just four square feet okay any questions for the applicant okay we do have some public participation forms on this one so we'll listen to those and then once they've
made their comments I'll bring you back for rebuttal all right okay okay uh this one here is is the owner Daniel rash oh okay
Rish you're fine all right you want to state your name and address for the record yes Daniel ravish 1040 buckles Road all right and you had a comment you would like to add to this case well I you know I'm all four people uh moving out living uh the lifestyle that we live
on buckles Road um but there seems to be a lot of structures on this property and a lot of um I mean just there's multiple campers uh there's campers that show up and then leave um there's there's a
enormous camper that's probably 10t from buckles road right now that's been gutted and has the contents spewed out all over the the lawn um I would love to see these folks build a house and or you know improve their living situation um
but I'm just extremely concerned uh with the money that my family has invested at our place on buckles road that there's just going to keep you know there's going to be more structures that that show up um it's it's already uh it's
already looking that way now I I'm just I'm very concerned that we're going to end up with multiple families and multiple situations developing on this property okay um you're truthfully the variance what we're discussing today
you're more or less looking at code violations is that not right Mr soraia well as legal yes yes so if there are if there are you know uh is a junk I'm just going to call it junk um that's you can file a code enforcement
complaint we're going to you know we'll send our code enforcement team out there um and see if any any of uh any of the structures are in violation of our code or if the structures are kind of a safety hazard in which case you know
we'll take them through code enforcement um they may be required to remove the structure or you know if they fail to comply the county will come in and remove the structure and put a lean on the property um for any un in habitable like um structures that are kind of a
danger to persons um Kristen can you answer uh there's only one Adu allowed per parcel correct correct right so this is if they're requesting an Adu that's it they can't request another Adu um
otherwise it would they would have to rezone to some kind of multif family zoning District which is you know they would have to come into compliance with the comp plan and the zoning there's there hurdles and barriers to prevent that but if you are seeing a um uh you
know a situation of dilapidated structures or dilapidated things um that is that can be handled by code enforcement we are a complaint driven response um so we need to have a complaint in order to go out there yeah I understand so I think what I'm trying
to say here is that what we're looking at is the size of the Adu and like Mr Sor said he's only allowed one and so if there's other structures on the property that shouldn't be there there'd be a code enforcement situation right so
could we figure this in we shouldn't but you know I mean uh we should be just looking what the variance is consistent of okay underst understand all right thank you sir and then I had a public comment from
Mr J um jod locks so my name is Jody L I'm at 1021 buckles Road um actually share part of the lake access area with our neighbor I'm just want to go on the record I have the same very similar concerns as Dan um these neighbors have been great neighbors uh they're very nice people they have great
cows and animals on their property and we love that but we do have severe concerns of you know keeping buckles natural keeping it nice so we will be um likely um following the course of action to file the complaints prop L um but we just wanted to make sure that we also
went on the record um and there were a couple other neighbors that couldn't come so they did ask us to come and represent them so just want to make sure that we kind of go on the record that it's not just two people um there's four other people four other neighbors that kind of felt the same way so we'll ask them to follow that same course of
action and Mr chair I just want to say because you said there are what sound like farm animals on the property if they have an ad classification if their Bonafide Farm there's something called the right to Farm Act which um it's a the state has said um essentially we
can't use any of our our uh code enforcement Powers um if it's a functioning Farm um they're allowed to exist so the farm animals aren't the problem it's yeah it's the RV and the garbage we love we actually enjoy the farm animals we you know we love to see
them out there we want to encourage that hey Miss Shell sure is your mic on thank you um are are are these are people living
in these other units what is yeah so besides the prime so there's the prime residents and then there's other fall there was a a camper like a small older camper there that they fenced in an area and there was a young couple living there with a dog coming and going for several weeks at a time there was no
sewer hooked up to this camper it had water and power only um they left for a couple weeks and they came back for a couple of weeks and then the older camper showed up on you know the fence area of the road and they started gutting that so our concern is that it's going to end up being a
campground okay which there we go back again would be C enforcement yes because it's not that's not permitted talk said about the pre to to the previous speaker we are just looking at the variance for the size of the Adu any other thing any
other code violation with have to be taken up through code enforcement okay okay we'll I appreciate you bringing that up thank you yeah thank you very much okay do we have any other public participation no sir okay I'll have the
applicant come back forward again sir you've heard the concerns of the neighbors okay and I I think what they're pretty much saying is they're going to put you on the spot and and I'm fine with that um one of the things I wanted to address real quick is the camper that has moved up to the front right now we fenced into an area so that
we could clean out that RV it has been on our property for 5 years now on the back side of the property next to the Adu that'll be there we have moved it up there because we needed a little bit of space to clean it out and it's only been there for a couple weeks and it will be cleaned out it is not to live in it is a
it is our camper we needed the space to clean it out um I did have my niece and nephew staying on a piece of uh of the land there in their camper for a couple months and no they weren't on a septic as far as that goes they were on a holding tank and they had water and
until we were able to move them to somewhere else so it was a temporary situation the um existing home that's there the Adu will not be a full-time residence even though we are being allowed to have that as a full-time residence our main residence will be the
one house that is coming in that is our in uh full-time residence I have been in this neighborhood now for 8 years years with no issues so if my neighbors actually had a problem I would have really liked to have them come to me on this because I do know all my neighbors and I have been there for eight years um
we maintain a working farm we have cattle and we have horses we also have a transportation business so as they said with uh vehicles coming in and out yes I have a horse trailer that comes in and out of my property I also have two flatbed trailers I transport landscape
materials so those will be coming in and out of the property as well but as far as a group of people or a bunch of people or they're worried that this is going to turn into a big situation that it's not it's not going to be that that is not my intent ever I
love living in the country I love living where we do we all agree to live on buckles for a reason so we're away from people and we try to make the best out of everything it is a working form so of course there's going to be stuff that piles up for a little bit cleans up piles up for a little bit cleans up the
RV like I said I gotting it out so I can use it as my personal RV so I have the stuff sitting there it is inside a contained uh fenced in area so it's not blowing out across the street I'm not throwing it out on the road for anybody I will take it to the dump I'm trying to
make sure that I have one load for a dump and it will be gone but that isn't for somebody to live on okay okay Mr Costa yep just want to confirm you're on 40 acres right yes sir out in the country yes sir Live and Let
Live um the new mobile that's coming that's actually going to be the primary even though it's showing here as at Adu yes so the existing but then it's just going top flop them over basically the existing becomes the Adu and the new one becomes your priment your permanent residence okay and you live there
permanently correct it's not a part-time no sir all right are you a exempt yes sir thank you I just did want to say they they made comments but they said you were a good neighbor so and they're neigh yeah I just wish
they would have I don't feel all this animosity there I don't I don't want any not where we live no ma'am okay okay leave in peace yes ma'am okay all right we're going to close the four for public participation note for commission discussion or motion well I'll make a
motion go ahead Mr C case v 25- 014 make a motion to approve there are no conditions a second okay I've got a motion on the floor from Mr Costa to prove V 25014 uh and a second from Miss Shell
any discussion on the motion all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed motion carries unanimously shell could I get the next case please yes sir it's
coming okay case number v-2 D no this is z that was the one we just did we're now on the ordinance on ordinance d 24-2 a proposed ordinance 2025 d01
amending chapter 72 regarding affordable housing thank you Miss jelly Miss Smith this is you yes sir so in July 2022 our County Council approved an affordable housing initiative the path forward
strategies for success it's a 5-year plan for affordable housing um it required some comprehensive plan and some zoning ordinance changes you all saw the comprehensive plan changes last year and the council approved them in January
2024 with your recommendation of approval so we are now bringing back the ordinance which will um help implement the comprehensive plan so um the purpose of this ordinance uh is for us to maximize the cost and
time saving for affordable housing projects by streamlining regulations and processes to increase and preserve the supply of affordable housing stock and that came directly from that from that Five-Year Plan there's basically two groups at the county that work together on affordable
housing one is Community Services they do the affordable housing uh funding and the services and growth management does permitting and entitlements so um we created a definition in the ordinance called a certified affordable housing project and
essentially that project has to be blessed by Community Services before we can offer any incentives to the developers uh any incentives that they get do require the developer to sign a restrictive covenant for the project to remain affordable for 20 years that can
be that time frame can be negotiated so some of the incentives and tools in the ordinance that will apply apply only to the certified affordable housing projects are a 10% deviation in lot size lot width dwelling unit size
setbacks parking requirements lot coverage height open space landscaping and other development standards administratively but only up to 10% and that would be done by our land development manager and all of the certified affordable housing projects would be
done through Land Development they would not come through the planning process or or need those public hearings impact fees may be deferred but they are payable at the end of the affordability period permit fees inspection fees and application fees can be waved and then
they're forgiven in their entirety after the initial affordability period we are offering density bonuses for some land uses low impact Urban gets up to five dwelling units per acre Urban low intensity gets up to eight Urban
medium intensity gets up to 14 and urban High gets up to 20 um those bonuses are not allowed in the Norma in the wetlands in the RC zoning or in the flood plane the other thing that we're doing is we will have an affordable housing review team where we all come together
and we have 90day expedit time expedited time frame to approve these projects and again that's done uh it's run by our land development manager so this is the most exciting thing for me anyway way when we worked through this um new accessory dwelling units we we understand accessory
dwelling units are a good way to provide affordable housing and Workforce housing so we uh created a plan where impact fees may be deferred for newly constructed adus used for certified affordable housing if the applicant requests them if the impact fees have
been paid on the principal structure the applicant will have to file a declaration of restrictive covenant with the clerk of the court stating that it will remain affordable for 20 years and we will put a program in place for all of our affordable housing projects to check that and confirm that they do remain
affordable and they can continue that as well if they wanted to to file a second Covenant they can do that as well or they can remove it if you remove it you pay your impact fees we also created an affordable housing priority overlay if you can go
to the map yo and this this is a tool it's not a you must be inside of these lines um we we use GIS to locate all the public transportation employment centers shopping schools and Social Services the
the things that people low-income people really need the most and need to be able to get to quickly and we identified the areas that are um uh on the map there and we would look to site affordable housing in those areas first it is not a requirement to be in those areas but
we're looking to that as a tool for guidance so ultimately those locations are chosen by our community services team so we do recommend that you find ordinance 20251 consistent with the comp plan and forward it to the County council with a recommendation of
approval thank you M Smith any question for staff okay I do have one you said a negotiated time frame who negotiates that time frame you want to cover that long it's
the the question is who negotiates the length of the Covenant that would be between staff and the applicant um depending upon the nature of the affordable housing project um uh we have
seen kind of like I want to say single family affordable housing that's just built on a random parcel um versus you know a a you know a multif family complex which is on a more permanent
basis so it really depends um upon the type of affordable housing project um and ultimately it's a policy decision on uh and a balance between keeping your and ensuring your affordable your
affordable housing inventory versus someone who buys an affordable housing prod uh single family home home puts a lot of improvement on it um and then can't realize you know the the lift
in the value of that home that they have bought and they've purchased and they've improved and they they've lived in like anyone who buys an A non-covenant andri so that's kind of a a balancing um that kind of occurs and there's inherent
tension in that so um it's really a conversation between Community Services um the applicant and staff and you know what is appropriate for the type of affordable housing project and I just
make it legal so okay so my line of questioning is someone comes in and applies for an affordable housing unit development and they get these density credits and the negotiated time frame
could be less than 20 years is what you're telling me depending well if it was a multif family um we would probably go for the full 20 if not uh permanent uh because the
um they are pro they're essentially making a lot of Apartments so uh you wouldn't really get a density bonus for single family which is where we would look at a lesser amount a lesser amount of
time it un residential that doesn't get a density bonus what you're telling me yeah if for example if you have like single family affordable housing right um you know potentially though that can be for less than 20 years even though I
think our standard is 20 years um but it it really depends upon the type of qual of project but I don't think we're going to be you favored to reduce that amount of time because our goals are to
encourage and enhance the inventory of affordable housing and if I could follow up on that as well just because we have all of these incentives doesn't mean that the developer gets all of the incentives we look at each project individually and we craft an individual agreement for them
you all saw one last year we brought in some Habitat homes over in Daytona Beach and that was our test model for this and in that case we did 15 years feedback we've gotten since then is we want to strive for 20 years to make it worth the
County's time so that we we let them go for 15 years it was a negotiation and and we will try to keep 20 on the rest now some of that they did not ask for density bonuses they did not have some they asked for setback relief and things like that so everyone has different
requests I understand that but in the ordinance itself on page seven of 19 it says that these d it bonuses uh come in the way of it says low impact Urban to increase the densities from five
dwellings maximum density to five dwellings per unit um so what I I and to me when it when you say dwelling units that could cover single family yes
yes and so they would get a density bonus or could yes and my point is in the negotiated time frame and what you just told me on the single family could be a lot less than multiple family and
my question is we go in we get these density bonuses based on low income housing and within five years um that goes out the window they pay their whatever they need to pay but yet now the the homes are built you're not going
to tear them down and the the uh density has been increased I don't think you're going to see any fiveyear um plants we we are striving for 20 we did allow Habitat to come in at 15 but that was a difficult and long
discussion yeah well and then they do have to pay their impact fees if it goes Market they will have to pay their impact fees and just but the density is already there that's my point and and just to clarify on that density um we are putting that into the zoning ordinance that's been in our comp plan probably for about 20 years nobody's
used it so we took an existing comp plan policy that's been in there forever and just applied that to the zoning ordinance that could be true that it hasn't been used but we're seeing a lot more requests for higher densities that
here this is what I'm when giving bonuses it seems like we always go to the ear of density rather than setbacks or in that nature and my concern is that we're going to be giving these density
bonuses and we may not get our money's worth when the what the net benefit is going to be from it you know and that's my only concern there so I I'll get off of that right now the other thing too is the adus I'm like you I'm in very much favor of that what I have a problem with
the adus and the way it's in their current code is is 50% of the existing structure principal structure and so so pretty much you can have two homes side by side and in the same neighborhood and
maybe one is five 500 to 1,000 square F feet more they can put in a bigger Adu than the house next door and I think rather than the 50% and this goes across the board on these adus I think we should
look at a possibly uh depending upon the zoning depending upon the lot si side size give a maximum size because just like we had one come before us today for a variance
and it was only what 18 square foot and so you know that to me and I know that may be done in the future administratively but I don't see the the why if I've got a smaller house same
size property as my neighbor but he can put a bigger Adu on his cuz he built a 3,000 ft house and I build a 2,000t house you follow where I'm going with this absolutely and Kristen and I just had this conversation while we have a good Adu
ordinance we have we've noticed we have to bring a lot of things to you all to look at we want to go back and take a look at it again and see ways that we can improve it and and that is certainly something that we can consider and Mr chair going back to the density
provision make a recommendation that if if they get density any type of density bonus that they must comply with the full um you know the full period of the Covenant well that's that's where I'm going with this you know because if you
could go in with and get a negotiated time frame that's why I asked who who decides a negotiated time frame because as time goes on you get different opinions on the County Council I don't know who's making these negotiated time frames uh could be staff uh a lot of
things change and a lot of things are changing very fast and I just don't want to get into a quagmire where you allow these density bonuses for a net gain and then turn around and don't realize that Net game because it didn't go as long as
it should have went they paid their impact fees they paid everything but now Ur density you can't take that away you know unless there's a penal there for doing so and uh yeah if we're going to give density bonuses I'd like
to see the maximum amount of time and so with staff I think there's like I said that inherent tension between staff is always wanting to keep and enhance the inventory of affordable housing versus allowing someone to kind of reap the
benefit of the improvements that they have in in what they've in the dwelling that they've lived in for how many number of years there's there's that inherent tension between you know an affordability period versus allowing
someone to like realize the value of their property well that's that's my point and and and so because of you take an individual that buys a home and realizes that they're not going to live there that long do a lot of improvements
and now that house doesn't become lowincome anymore and so on the resale side of it so I just want to make sure we don't get oursel into a corner or box to where we're not reaping the benefit of the the credits that we're
giving okay all right that's my uh thoughts any other questions or thoughts no I didn't want to step on your parade there but that's you know you're on a you're going on a roll um so they let me ask real
quick as I'm kind of skimming through this we're talking the the incentives are they tied to a percentage of the overall project or to the entire the entire project has to be affordable
housing our community services department would have to deem it an affordable housing project and then we could issue incentives there's not a a a percentage of the development must be affordable so the entire project has to be affordable okay that's where the 20
years comes in and that's where you get the push Backs from the developers that's okay all right that's why I need to know thank you yeah but you see where I'm going with that you you see where I'm going with this I mean uh you don't want to
give incentives and turn around and not get a net benefit from it that that's that's the point I'm making right I don't you know either they do it or they don't so what do we need to make a
I mean I don't know if everybody's in agreeance with me you know but I'm just that was my thoughts if you how do you how did the rest of the board feel well I think in light of what Mr Sor has said that the staff has some questions and recommendations for changes um I feel
like we need to uh defer this for continuance rather than that was for the adus I'm sorry that's for future adus that wasn't for the low income of it right am I right Mr sorya Miss Smith
that was strictly for the ad I'm jumping forward to the whole thing yeah no no that was for the adus not the necessarily the um understanding of the the concern is you know you have density bonus as an
incentive um you don't really have I'm not hearing any concerns about the other incentives such as uh setback um uh or lot size amendments it's basically you know if density bonuses are requested as
an incentive the afford the affordability period should be the maximum because you're without without any ability to deviate you know from from if they're getting if they're getting the density
bonuses yes yeah and the reason I say this is because as you we all know that the a lot of these bonuses and things go hand in hand with the lid for let's per
say and so um as far as lot size who knows what's going to end up with all that you know but that to me that doesn't necessarily entail these density bonuses that we're looking at in this
ordinance you know that we're on the opposite side of the fence on that one I like the ability to be ble to negotiate that affordable that timeline from 20 years to 15 years again we're coming down into a situation of ex still cost X to build individual units uh and
sometimes the density bonuses cover that sometimes it doesn't um but uh I I like the ability to be able to negotiate that timeline in exchange for potentially you know some of these incentives back and forth rather than be it hard hard tied to 20 years across the board which is
how it's written now if I'm not mistaken right you have the ability to that's a negoti that's a negotiable time frame the 20 years staff yes yes sorry we were discussing but yeah there's there's that 20 years is
negotiable correct yeah okay currently as it's currently written currently it's negotiable on all the incentive on all the incentives got it so really discussion is do you want to um reduce the discretion to negotiate based on one specific type of incentive type right
okay and that's what I'm saying it it I'm yeah I would be opposed to that as opposed to you and I on the different side of the table on that one which is not unusual I respect your I respect you know respect your opinion there's definitely a respect respect issue going
here back and forth so it's reciprocal but uh yeah so when we send this forward to County Council um these comments can be heard at that time yes I mean both sides yes because that I think that's important
and I will say that in practice we have staff has argued for uh longer uh a longer period of affordability and guaranteed affordability so you know the especially if we if we are if the
incentive is a density bonus you know staff and community service will be arguing no we need a longer time 20 years as a minimum we're probably looking for higher because we're you're granting more units um so that's kind of that's why I
said who's doing the negotiating right so from you know from talking with Community Services that's what our stance is right now um push for for for uh as long of an affordability period as we can
okay well I'm good forwarding it on to the County Council um from what I saw most with comments and you both sides yeah with comments I'm good with that yeah with comments so but I can't make the motion
so I'll leave that up to someone else anyone else like to make a comment on this can I get a motion be before that I have a question yeah Miss Greg i'm unclear on how this work works
if if the incentives are given for the entire project it's built out in the individual Parcels are sold and people move in and somebody makes modifications to their individual property that takes
them out of qualifying for the incentives what happens at that point it wouldn't be if they modify the property they're increasing the value of the property but they cannot sell to to the they cannot sell the property for the
enhanced value they are stuck to selling an affordable uh house but they've put all of these improvements into their their property um and there's there's an income qualification requirement that Community
Services does as well so you know it's it's kind of a two-pronged approach the sale price needs to be within the affordability threshold and the income qualification the buyer also needs to be within the affordability threshold so
you're may I speak yeah Mr so that there in lies that's the quandry isn't it is that we we put together an affordable housing family moves in and they are basically deinen diviz of improving their property because they can't recoup any of that cost down the road whether
it's 20 years or 15 years whatever the negotiated timeline is so they went in and then and modified the property and put in a uh a mac daddy kitchen and put in a swimming pool all of a sudden at turnaround time they still got to sell it as if it was an entry level or an
affordable housing complex even though they put $40 $50,000 into the house inherent tension that makes no to me makes no common sense yes yes uh but on on the on the other side you are preserving the inventory of affordable housing that's well yeah you're
preserving something all right that I'm not sure it's going to be affordable at that point but uh you know if there's no incentive to improve the affordable housings become rundown which is what we have today because there's no incentive to improve those properties because there's no pride of ownership if you
will at the end of the day well there's others I'm I'm talking strictly density I know I know I know talk Talking other incentives talking strictly it all ties together though yeah I understand that but I'm talking density
because okay you put low income housing in a let me give you a scenario you go out here and you put low-income housing in the middle of a High um volume selling price MH
Community that's not going to stay affordable housing oh no it's very long it's going to pull up absolutely so why would I give the density credits to allow more units in that area you well you're giving the instead of
using low-income I'm going to use the word affordable uh we're going to we're giving the the availability to families who otherwise could not afford that neighborhood to now move into an affordable housing project with that's in that sector and it g basically giving them an entry-level home let's call it
yes with the ability to upgrade it to as their stature in in society changes to upgrade it but what we're telling at the same point is but when you turn to go to sell it to to realize those gains that you've gained in your real estate over the 10 15 years you can't you have to
sell it at what the affordable price is so you there's there's no incentive to maintain and or improve your property it's live it until it completely runs down and then hey move out which is kind of what we have today I I like I like the the pride of
ownership if you don't have any skin in the game you will not take care of the property and and I say that from a I say that from a standpoint of being a property manager for multiple single family homes for various owners is that if the if you don't incentivize the tenant to maintain
and upkeep the property either through uh rental reductions or or rental basically stagnation not increasing the rents they will destroy the house because it's not theirs they're just temporarily passing through and that's where I see this going but the but the
next person in line for to purchase aord housing if the inventory diminishes then why are we giving incentives but you're making the assumption that the affordable will will stop building affordable housing period
no I'm not saying that so they'll the cycle should if the incentives stay in place the cycle will continue it should continue theoretically good argument so you've just reenacted the uh fundamental philosophical difference on
um affordable housing and you know incentivizing it on the government end and assuring it versus like what Mr Costa said you know how do you how do you in in you
know let me put it this way on affordable housing we have government programs for financing that gives incentives of lower interest rates in that nature lower payments per se those individual who move into these low
income housing uh financing programs if they sell within a certain time that's their incentive to get it if they sell within a certain time they' got to go back and pay the interest yes so what I'm saying is that's easy to take away but density
is not and that was the only reason I wanted to have the maximum on density I can see what Mr CR is saying I see it believe me I see it but my point is if you're going to get these density increases that you can't take away
there's no way to recoup that other than financial and what are we doing then then we're taking that all that money they put in the home and taking it away from them anyway so if we're taking and going along that line if we're going to give density there's no way to take that
density back is what the my point is as as far as allowing a maximum negotiated time that was that was my the problem I had with the only problem I had with it I'm not a problem with giving incentives but
I just want to make sure that if we give the incentives and if they don't adhere to those incentives that we got a way to recoup those incentives if it doesn't if it falls within that time frame now if you want to lower
that time frame so be it but they have that on the lending side also they got they give you an incentive but they take it back but there's no way to take density back that was my
point and there's two different opinions and I like I said I I see where Mr cost is coming from but I can see down the line where that next person in line is looking for a home and now they've take the low income
housing out and there's no no inventory and that's what we have a problem with right now that's why we're giving the the incentives is to create inventory for low-income housing
affordable affordable housing I'll get it R I'm I'm uh if if you're in agreement I I have no problem making a motion to move this forward as long as we add with uh commission comments that's fine as a recommendation I'm good with that okay I'm good with that all right in that case I'll make a
motion on case -24 D2 that we forward to the County council with the recommendation of approval with an asri uh with review of the commission comments second I've got a motion to afford the
uh for told you you get it right to send to the County Council ordinance 0242 uh regarding regarding the affordable housing with a recommendation of approval with the aster of listening
to the uh commission comments for Mr Costa and a second for Miss Shelly is that is that good enough Mr sorya yes sir okay and uh any discussion on that motion all those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed motion carries unanimously okay any other public items no sir staff comments yes sir um the new plld drrc appointments were handled at
the council meeting the other night you do have two new members coming on Emily Bush and Christopher Aron um this will unfortunately be Mr Patterson's last meeting um just want to thank him for his time on the commission and the rest
of you all have been reappointed as well that's it any other staff uh staff items any other staff items nope comments that's where your comment okay any commission comments I do go ahead Mr
Patterson it's been a wonderful ride and I'm sorry that I'm you know just running into a lot of crisises in my life that uh I need to take care of and uh you know I've been on four boards and and uh
I decided to reduce it down to two and Early Learning Coalition is my true love that because of my background in early childhood education and um and on the hospital board uh in new not in New
in Orange City so and that's where I'm late I'm I used to have very good organized meetings but now it goes on and on and on and on and here I am coming in at the last minute but I I love working with all of you it's been a
real fun ride and thanks a lot and thanks to the staff pleasure a great staff here thank you and uh without going in our history I'll tell you that I've known Mr Patterson now for about what 16 years 15 16 years more than that and uh well I've known him for longer
than that but got to be pretty close with him and friends with him about 16 years ago actually we had a little bit of a political that's how I got involved with Mr Patterson and I will say it's been an honor to serve on the same board with you uh I take that as a privilege
and I will say that along that 15 16 years you've taught me a lot hopefully it shows and um and it's just been a pleasure working with you and I hate to see you go but uh I think it's well deserved and uh thank you so much uh not
only as a friend but as a fellow uh board member and uh were you're going to be missed so that's my opinion on Mr Patterson and U the other comment that I had was we
continued the um one case to March the 20th uh Mr Patterson's not going to be here and we're missing Mr brower's appointment for this previous year so we're only going to have if everyone shows five
should we notify the applicants of the that pre before they show up or should we continue on with the five member board Mr sorya I didn't think about it there I
recommended delaying it to the April meeting I think you can continue on with a with a five member board okay um you just offer the applicants just another opportunity um you know it's it's you preserve notice
at the very least so you know it's unfortunately anyone who shows up you know will at the very beginning of the meeting uh needs to make a decision of whether or not they want to proceed with the current board makeup but there shouldn't be any
additional expense for that meeting because you have preserved the meeting notices and and you've continued it to the next meeting okay Mr sor okay any other commission comments y I have a comment go ahead Miss Craig
question um I find it very difficult I hate to whine about this but not having the printed um materials in advance is uh a lot more difficult to um intelligently consider and work on
research for this so I would like to uh put if if it's not set in stone I personally would prefer to get a printed copy second at that um if I can if I can piggy back on that one um I did have a conversation with uh with Trish after
this came out U we went we bannered back and forth on it um I definitely like to paper copy in advance um printing it was not a problem especially at 5:00 last night and that goes to my second point so the email on
February 7th said that I'd be getting an email by the Wednesday that our package was ready um I did not get that email but I did get one last night at 4:45 that said we had a new agenda but in between I did not so I don't know if I'm the only one
that got missed or it was just a GL you're the second person that said that and when the first person said it we went and checked our emails and the email was there so there must have been an issue with our server okay so we'll go back and we'll investigate that some more yeah it was I mean I it was easy to find but it was just the point that it I
got other things in my mind it's not the latest thing and then lastly what are the cute little flags for those flags are compliments of our planning director um she was at a council meeting a few months back and and got great pleasure in watching poo
have to jump up a hundred times and say exp parte expar so she thought it would be cute to give all of the different commissions and councils little flags as a joke to oh okay W if they so choose but it's not a requirement just okay gag gift so we can the Gaga for the next
person right yes you may I wasn't sure if that was the yeah okay very good I was going to use it as a reminder just wave the flags from the back instead of having to jump up and say anything did um okay Miss Smith I know
we also I also had this discussion with you as far as the uh paper forms uh as you can see with even with we know what Stony opinion is on it MH and um for the majority here would like to have it so
what do we need to do to move forward to get those paper back and my I would like well of course some of them live on the opposite side of the county but I know one of the issues is getting it to us um
but is there a way that we could possibly pick it up if if if that's a problem so this is and I mean this in all honesty this is part of our green initiative we're moving into an electronic World um some people like
paper I like paper but but what we're saying is if you'd like paper go ahead and print it and bring it and then that still reduces the amount of paper we're printing um and then one of the we talked about bantering one of the comments was well I don't want to use my ink um you all do have a $200 a month
stipend that you could use for ink you can use for mileage so you do have that the county is paying for that for you it's just you pushing the button if you so choose if that's not a viable option or using a a pad or a laptop is not an
option for you then I would suggest that you all uh make a motion and to write a letter and I'll bring that letter expressing your concerns and I'll bring that letter to my bosses and we'll let them make that policy decision but we are getting great pressure and you are
the last board that is paper every other board has gone electron I I understand that and my point and I'll reiterate my point that I spoke with you on the phone is I know we're getting a stien but that stien hasn't
increased in I know 20 years and what's that it's like it's from 1990 something it it equates been a been increased and as it is right now I I don't know for
each individual but my stien does not cover cover my expenses now yep uh I haven't asked for an increase because I know there's other boards that don't get that but if they wish for us to do our own printing I I would like a request to
increase or stip it um and I know that the council will not or and and I mentioned the fact of uh County issued laptops or pads but the problem with that is when you're out in the field a
lot of times you don't get that reception there to to to go back and research you do have to print it out and as far as the printing goes we have had some very big packets in at times so it
would be costly it cost us a lot more to print it at home than what it does for the staff to print it at the council level I mean at the county level uh and if we were to get to private printer it even goes up from there so
depending upon each one of us I mean I don't think it's [Music] too you know I don't think we're going getting out of line by asking that we at least get a paper copy and as far as the other boards I don't know how extensive
they actually get out into the field and go from place to place we could have line well you know I mean our agenda sometimes is as much as 15 and you start traveling around bla County and looking at these sites I granted a lot of us
don't do that or we would depend on our other members in their District to do that but a lot of times we do especially if if it's something that concerns us there's been a lot of times I've been over to new Sam and looked at those
properties and see just because their application States and pictures State one thing but when you actually physically put eyes on it a lot of times it's a big difference and I highly recommend anything that is you think may be borderline to for any of the members to
take a ride out and take a look at it so again what I would suggest is um for you all to take a vote on whether the chair wants to transmit a letter we can draft up a letter for you to sign and then we'll bring that back and see how they respond yeah I would like to be drafted
to the me personally I like to be drafted as the board members unanimously would like to uh have that and I and the only other one cuz Mr Patterson's leaving it would be Stony and I think he expressed that because I think I saw an
email that he sent back to you expressing that yep so that's that I'll make a motion that we draft that that the chair draft that letter that the chair drafted yeah oh
the staff drafted sta drafted for the chair how that I don't even know who's being sent to got and Country the only other record recommendation is if there's a problem that we could uh each one of us was appointed by a county
councilman and you the person that uh appointed you you can reach out to them absolutely to try to get this resolved I don't know if it needs to go that far does it need to go that far or can we do it let us try this we are simply staff responding to our directives I understand no we I'm in the
middle of it nobody's hand yeah holding it you know personally believe me I mean I get it but this has been bounced around for quite a while now it started back during Co believe it or not but that's when it started Mr chair yes sir
we all just go marching down to the staff director and just Lynch yeah there we go just walk in there and say he's on medical leave right now so we're safe they're on leave right now is that she said did I did I hear correctly you said the new members won't be till April is
that right yes sir you're um turn end at the end of March okay got it all right okay any other commission comments pres and citizen comments this meeting is adjourned all right
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