WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=sz2mCmmokb4 NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: sz2mCmmokb4): - 00:00:18: Meeting Call to Order, Pledge and Roll Call - 00:01:08: Second Reading: Cannabis Consumption Lounge Ordinance - 00:01:56: First Reading: Bond Ordinance Road Improvements $2.5M - 00:02:45: First Reading: Bond Ordinance Building Improvements $1.46M - 00:03:18: First Reading: Bond Ordinance Vehicle and Equipment $1.99M - 00:04:06: First Reading: Bond Ordinance Sewer Utility Improvements $325K - 00:04:54: First Reading: Ordinance Adopting Redevelopment Plan Block 150 - 00:05:30: First Reading: Financial Agreement Vorhees Family Apartments - 00:06:05: First Reading: Redevelopment Plan Portion of Block 198 - 00:06:39: First Reading: Ordinance Prohibiting Parking on Streets - 00:06:57: Resolutions: Memorializing Executive Session and Other Items - 00:09:26: Approval of Minutes, Reports, and Bill List - 00:10:16: Committee Member's Announcements and Local Events - 00:12:13: Public Comment: Bowen Vander - Pine Avenue Speeding - 00:15:24: Public Comment: Jeff Fritz - Pine Avenue Speeding - 00:28:51: Public Comment: Ron - Fifth and Pine Issues Part: 1 1 00:00:18.400 --> 00:00:35.440 Okay. Good evening everybody. I'd like to call this meeting to order. Welcome to the Voice Township Committee meeting of May 11, 2026. Please rise and join me in a salute to the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under 2 00:00:35.440 --> 00:00:52.480 God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> May we have a roll call, please? >> Mr. >> Here, >> here >> this meeting is being held in accordance with the requirements of the open public meetings act. Do notice this meeting has 3 00:00:52.480 --> 00:01:08.080 been published by the clerk in both the courier post and inquire newspapers as well as electronic notice is required by law. Also, a copy of the annual meeting notice has been posted on the bulletin board outside the township clerk's office. >> Thank you. Our first matter this evening is the second reading of an ordinance of the township of Warhees County of Camden 4 00:01:08.080 --> 00:01:22.880 and state of New Jersey amending and supplementing chapter 152-170 of the township code for the regulation of cannabis establishments to allow one cannabis consumption lounge. This is the second reading of an ordinance. If anyone from the public has a comment on 5 00:01:22.880 --> 00:01:40.000 this ordinance, please come forward. >> Seeing no one from the public, move to close public portion. >> Second. >> All those in favor? I opposed. >> The public portion is closed. Do we have a motion? Motion. >> Second. >> I have a motion and a second. Any discussion >> hearing? None. May we have a roll call 6 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:56.240 vote, please? >> Mr. Platt. >> Yes. >> Mr. Rabbits. >> Yes. >> Mito. >> Yes. >> Yes. So carried. Our next matter is the first reading of a bond ordinance authorizing the completion of various road and related improvements in and for the township of Vorhees County of Cam, 7 00:01:56.240 --> 00:02:12.319 New Jersey, appropriating the sum of two $2,550,000. Therefore, authorizing the issuance of general obligation bonds or bond anticipation notes of the township of Warheis County of Cam, New Jersey in the aggregate principal amount of up to 8 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:30.400 2,422,500 making certain determinations and covenants and authorizing certain related actions in connection with the foregoing. Do I have a motion on the first reading of that bond ordinance? >> So moved. >> Second. >> I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in 9 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:45.519 favor, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed? So carried. The next is the first reading of a bond ordinance authorizing the completion of various improvements to township buildings and grounds appropriating the sum of 1,460,000. 10 00:02:45.519 --> 00:03:00.879 Therefore, authorizing the issuance of general obligation bonds or bond anticipation notes of the township of Warheis County of Cam, New Jersey in the aggregate principal amount of up to 1,387,000 making certain determinations and 11 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:18.319 covenants and authorizing certain related actions in connection with the foregoing. Do I have a motion on the first reading of that ordinance? >> So move second. >> Motion on a second. Any discussion? >> Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. >> I. I opposed. So carry. Next is the 12 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:34.080 first reading of a bond ordinance authorizing the acquis acquisition of vehicles and equipment for the township of Warheis County of Camden, New Jersey appropriating the sum of $1,990,000. Therefore, authorizing the issuance of general obligation bonds or bond 13 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:51.760 anticipation notes of the township of Vorhees County of Cam, New Jersey in the aggregate principal amount of up to1,890,500 making certain determinations and covenants and authorizing certain related actions in connection with the foregoing. Do I have a motion on the first reading of that ordinance? So, 14 00:03:51.760 --> 00:04:06.799 move >> second. >> I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I opposed. So carried. Next is the first reading of a bond ordinance authorizing various improvements and acquisition of various 15 00:04:06.799 --> 00:04:22.560 equipment in and for the sewer utility system for the township of Warheis County of Cam, New Jersey, appropriating the sum of $325,000. Therefore, authorizing the issuance of general obligation bonds or bond anticipation notes of the township of 16 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:39.360 Warheis County of Cam, New Jersey in the aggregate principal amount of up to 308,750 making certain determinations and covenants and authorizing certain related actions in connection with the foregoing. Do I have a motion on the first reading of that ordinance? >> So move second. 17 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:54.960 >> Motion and a second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I opposed. So carried. Next is the first reading of an ordinance of the township of Vorhees County of Camden, state of New Jersey, adopting a redevelopment plan for block 18 00:04:54.960 --> 00:05:13.360 150.02, lot 1.04 on the official tax map of Warhees in accordance with the requirements of the local redevelopment and housing law NJSA482A-1. Do I have a motion on the first reading of that ordinance? >> So move. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. Any discussion? 19 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:30.400 >> Hearing none. All those in favor please signify by saying I >> I opposed. So carried. Next is the first reading of an ordinance of the township before he's adopting the financial agreement under NJSA527D-320 and authorizing tax exemptions and 20 00:05:30.400 --> 00:05:48.000 payment low of taxes under NJSA527D-320 in connection with the Vorhees family apartment project. Do I have a motion on the first reading of that ordinance? >> Motion second. >> Motion a second. Any discussion hearing? None. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. 21 00:05:48.000 --> 00:06:05.280 >> I. Opposed. So carried. The next is the first reading of an ordinance of the township of Vorhees County of Camden in the state of New Jersey adopting a redevelopment plan for a portion of block 198 lot 7 on the local tax map of the of War Vorhees in accordance with the requirements of the local 22 00:06:05.280 --> 00:06:22.479 redevelopment and housing law NJSA4A12A-1 at SEC. Do I have a motion on the first reading of that ordinance? No. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed? 23 00:06:22.479 --> 00:06:39.440 >> So carried. The next is the first reading of an ordinance prohibiting parking at all times on certain streets. Do I have a motion on the first reading of that ordinance? Motion. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. So 24 00:06:39.440 --> 00:06:57.919 carried. Our next section is the uh public portion for resolutions only. If anyone from the public has a comment on any of this evening's resolutions, please come forward. >> Seeing no one from the public move to close public portion. >> Second. >> All those in favor? 25 00:06:57.919 --> 00:07:13.199 >> I oppose. >> The public portion for resolutions only is closed. Our resolutions this evening are resolution number 153-26 memorializing an executive session from April 27th, 2026. Resolution 154-26 26 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:27.919 authorizing the amendment of certain records of the tax collector. Number 155-26 authorizing an investigation by the New Jersey Department of Transportation into the prohibition of left turns at the intersection of State Road Route 73 and 27 00:07:27.919 --> 00:07:43.280 County Route 693 Lafayette Avenue in the township of Warhees number 156-26 authorizing and improving changes and execution of a tax abatement agreement for a proposed 81 unit affordable housing rental development project to be 28 00:07:43.280 --> 00:08:02.160 located on block 263 lot 11. Resolution 157-26 authorizing the support of an application for the Camman County Recreation Facility Enhancement Grant $25,000 for Rabinowitz Park ADA improvements phase 1 resolution 158-26 29 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:18.000 authorizing the support of an application for the Camden County Recreation Facility Enhancement Grant $25,000 for Hail Park Playground. Resolution 159-26, approving the insertion of an item of revenue, $4,830, 30 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:36.320 federal bulletproof vest grant. Resolution 160-26, approving the insertion of an item of revenue, $75,795 clean communities grant number 161-26, authorizing approval and execution of a settlement agreement in the matter of 31 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:52.959 the Pharaoh at al versus township of Borhees at Al. Resolution number 162-26 authorizing the appointment of Gabriel Hernandez to the position of part-time emergency medical technician in the Boris Township Fire Department. Resolution 163-26 authorizing the 32 00:08:52.959 --> 00:09:10.480 appointment of Alena Morris to the position of part-time emergency medical technician in the Moris Township Fire Department and resolution number 164-26 authorizing the appointment of Alan Wilkins to the position of part-time electrical inspector in the township of 33 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:26.160 construction department. Do I have a motion on those resolutions? >> Second. >> I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Um Mr. Mayor. Um, I just abstaining from 153-26 because I wasn't present at that meeting. >> Okay. Any other discussion? 34 00:09:26.160 --> 00:09:43.120 Hearing none. All of those in favor, please signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. >> So carried. Next is approval of our minutes from April 26, 2026. Our tax collector's report for April 2026. Our treasurers report from March 2026. 35 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:59.600 And our bill list from May 11th, 2026. Do I have a motion for approval of those? So move >> second. >> Motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Same for me just for the minutes. >> All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Opposed. 36 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:16.399 >> So carried. Um next is there's no there's no need for an executive session this evening. Next is uh comments from our committee. Uh, I'd like to remind everybody that our uh, police department and K-9 unit and our police foundation will be hosting their annual benefit car 37 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:32.800 show on Saturday, May 16th from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. here at the town center. Uh, our annual Kirkwood Memorial Day parade will uh, start at 11:00 a.m. with memorial with a memorial ceremony at 11:30 in front of the Burnt Mill fire 38 00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:49.120 station. Our Vorhees Township is proud to again support the Animal Welfares Association's Paws and Feed 5K and Doggy Funday on Saturday, May 30th at Cooper River Park from 9 to 2. For more information, you can check out the 39 00:10:49.120 --> 00:11:05.680 Animal Welfare Association websites. The first concert in our summer concert series will be June 25th at Connelly Park at 7 p.m. with the band Gilligan Yacht Rock. There will be food trucks. Duny's Garden of Spirits will be available on site. Concert is free and 40 00:11:05.680 --> 00:11:23.360 parking is free. We are hosting uh a property tax relief filing event on Thursday, August 13th from 10:00 a.m. to 1 at Lions Lake. Residents Aed 65 and over. That would be me. Or those receiving Social Security disability benefits are invited to meet with a tax 41 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:39.600 division representative for assistance with filing their application for the senior freeze anchor and stay New Jersey program. Any uh other comments from our committee this evening? >> You mentioned duties, Mr. Mayor. Um I want to They're obviously our hometown, 42 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:56.880 one of our hometown uh restaurant bars. They I believe they're open if anyone's driving to or from the shore. They're open on Tilton Road in Northfield now >> with a smaller smaller spot. They bought a place that closed and I think they're 43 00:11:56.880 --> 00:12:13.760 done and ready to >> Good. Congratulations on that one. >> Um that means you vol our um our final portion is our public portion. If anyone from the public has any uh comments, please come forward. 44 00:12:13.760 --> 00:12:34.560 Excuse me. >> Evening. Good evening. Hello. My name is Bowen Vander and I live at 1509 Pineata. I'm going to talk about the speeding on Pine Avenue. 45 00:12:34.560 --> 00:12:56.320 It's outrageous. All right, I I'll leave that alone for the moment. The second part, the parking on the end of Pine Avenue for the park. The residents of that end of Pine Avenue would like to see 46 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:18.560 that parking lot shut down. There's 104 parking spots on the upper level of the parking lot for the park. There is an ornate sign down there of handicap 47 00:13:18.560 --> 00:13:40.639 parking only. But everybody parks down there. No disrespect. Nobody's writing any tickets. So the speeding will go away if the parking at the end of Pine Avenue is no 48 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:56.399 longer there. There's a sign, no more parking, but handicap. Everybody parks. Everybody parks. For a week, the sign 49 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:13.120 was shut off. You know, it wasn't illuminated. I don't know. But now it's now it's on. So to stop the speeders, there's young kids on the street 50 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:29.360 and like down by the Schmidz partial. There's trees that you can't see when you're walking. I walk my grandchildren down to the park and I can't see cars coming towards me because I like them in the street and they like down there. 51 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:45.680 It's not even cut back to his property line. So, I just, you know, I think the township should take in consideration of closing the parking at the end of Pine Avenue 52 00:14:45.680 --> 00:15:03.839 and the speeding would go away because there's signs past before you get to the parking area that it says no stopping or standing. So they would have to be ordinance them 53 00:15:03.839 --> 00:15:20.440 signs. So then they're not parking on the on Pine Avenue and walking to the park. That's what they're doing now. They're parking in front of people's houses and walking down once they see the sign. Thank you. 54 00:15:24.560 --> 00:15:40.399 >> Good evening. >> Hi. Thank you for the opportunity. >> No problem. >> My name is Jeff Fritz. I live on Pine Avenue. I'm going to try not to repeat what Mr. Vanderbri said, but I I do want to speak to the same issue as well. Um, so a couple thoughts. I I hadn't thought 55 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:55.279 of just completely closing down that parking lot area. That seems to be um a solution. Uh, there definitely I' I've lived on Pine Avenue there for 24 years. It's always been an issue. I think it's 56 00:15:55.279 --> 00:16:12.160 more of a safety issue now than ever before because what we have is older folks moving out of there and younger families moving in and young kids all over the place. So I have I mean literally as I was getting ready to come 57 00:16:12.160 --> 00:16:26.160 here tonight there were three vehicles either going to the park or coming back from the park not people who live in that neighborhood going I would estimate at least 40 50 miles an hour it's a 25 58 00:16:26.160 --> 00:16:43.839 mile per hour uh zone there. Um, I understand I just heard this in the hallway that this issue has been raised before here years ago or decades ago. I'm not sure what. Uh, but something needs to be done. I'm I'm open 59 00:16:43.839 --> 00:16:59.440 to other ideas. I think we're all open to other ideas, but simply just people are coming there and that's a good thing. the park's there for for people to enjoy it and use it, but it's a safety issue. And I fear, and maybe this is just, you know, the personal injury 60 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:16.240 lawyer in me fearing this, but I fear what is it going to take? Is it going to take a a an injury or a death or something like that? And then we're going to look back at this hearing and say, well, this was an issue. And then, you know, we look at the the liability 61 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:31.520 of the township. Uh, of course there's immunity to deal with as well too, but but let's not have it come to that is kind of the point of what I'm saying. Um, I don't know if there's any questions. >> No. >> Okay. >> I live there, so I I live around the 62 00:17:31.520 --> 00:17:48.480 corner from you guys as Van knows. So, >> and you've seen it, I assume. Um, my kids have sort of aged out from the basketball and all that, but they used to walk over there or ride their bikes when um that basketball court became more active, I guess, than it used to be 63 00:17:48.480 --> 00:18:05.679 before cuz especially during the summer now with the league. I think that it's even more active. So, I'm on Fish Street and I make the left coming down Fish Street on the pine. And I'm very careful on that left because 64 00:18:05.679 --> 00:18:22.240 sometimes people either they're coming so fast it's hard to judge from from down the other way. Um, what we did do, if I'm if I recall, and Vaughn might remember this from planning 65 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:38.640 board, when those houses were getting the new houses were getting built on Pine where I'm talking about, right? >> Sure. >> Um, the neighbors that were there with the with little kids, especially on that street that just dead ends, those kids were always in the street playing hockey 66 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:55.200 and this and that. I would have done the same thing if I were there. My kids might have joined them for all I know. But we put um I don't know the right terminology, but Van, do you remember what it's Jeremy null from our from our 67 00:18:55.200 --> 00:19:13.520 >> I don't think we were able to put this. There's one speed bump over there in front of the house, but there's other stuff that they put on the ground almost like delices. >> Um there's one speed bump, >> but that's not >> No, that's not going to help with that. >> No, >> with that with that. Yeah, I mean it's a 68 00:19:13.520 --> 00:19:29.919 pretty big stretch there and and I fear that speed bumps would actually make things more dangerous because people are going to speed anyway and now you got a little ramp. >> How far does it back up from the Because I I haven't gone down. I mean I don't go down there. >> How far is what >> does it back up when when the people 69 00:19:29.919 --> 00:19:46.320 park there? >> Well, I don't think I don't think the issue is the number of parking there. Uh, I think the issue is >> if you allow the parking there, you got just people speeding in both directions coming in or going out. So, I I don't think it's like a like a parking issue 70 00:19:46.320 --> 00:20:03.360 as it is a safety issue. And I I didn't realize how many spaces there were over 100 spaces on the other side. >> So, what would the downside be frankly of closing that area? The only the only downside which we talked about before we came out was the handicap spots which seemed to be an issue as far as walking 71 00:20:03.360 --> 00:20:19.919 was concerned. >> Um not that that's not an insurmountable. What I was thinking of if that were only handicap parking. >> It is. >> It is only supposed to be labeled as only handicap. >> I've been down there twice. My son just bought the house at the end of Pine uh 72 00:20:19.919 --> 00:20:37.039 1522. So I've been down there twice now uh that way. The other times I come in, I come off of uh the other entrance always. >> Well, you you need only stand there for about 10 minutes on any nice day and you'll almost get hit yourself and then you'll realize what we're 73 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:52.480 >> screaming about here. >> Well, I I I certainly have a best interest also. My three grandchildren often walk down Pine to get to that playground. >> So, I hear you. >> You don't live far from there, right? >> Uh I used to. I I don't I don't live there anymore, but my grandchildren walk down there a lot. 74 00:20:52.480 --> 00:21:09.440 >> I see. Um I know that um uh Chief Harrington has some information she can share first about what steps we've taken in terms of trying to address the the speeding issue. Uh and and she can address that in a moment. I want to reiterate what committee man Platt said 75 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:26.320 that the the the issue is if we close it off, those parking spaces that are designated for handicapped people um obviously aren't there anymore for handicapped people. Uh uh we could probably do some type of study to 76 00:21:26.320 --> 00:21:42.400 determine to determine I know there's designated handicap spots in the main lot up top, you know, on the other side of the of the complex. Um I don't know um whether in ter in terms of uh what what the regulations are in terms of how 77 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:58.960 close those spots need to be, but the only the only downside would be taking away those handicap spots. I agree with you that closing it off would most likely end the the speeding issue. I mean, it has to be balanced with whether with 78 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:14.000 whether the removal of those handicapped spots um uh works >> and and I can ask our township engineers to do that study to make sure that how many if we're going to close down that parking lot, uh how many we need to make 79 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:30.240 up for it in the general parking area as well. And if it's not, that's obviously >> I don't know whether there's space or room to to build an additional >> That's what I'm looking looking at. lot for anything off the main that's closer 80 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:44.880 to >> there. Anecdotally, I would think that you wouldn't need to do any additional building because the lot's gigantic there. It's like >> Well, I' I I've been there in the summer with basketball. It gets it gets crowded. Uh 81 00:22:44.880 --> 00:23:01.280 >> it does it does get every I mean like every spot does get full in the summer, >> so parking is a problem. Um, >> can we are we able to that that road right now where people are parking? Is there no parking signs on the on Pine itself? Like are we able to >> Are you permitted to park on Pine 82 00:23:01.280 --> 00:23:20.240 >> Chief? >> What is it? >> It's posted >> posted. No parking >> at the right. >> Yeah. >> Oh, at the end. Okay. >> I can double check our ordinances just to see make sure. Can you check our ordinance to see if we can make it no parking like just all >> or like a lot of a lot of a lot of uh 83 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:36.480 towns where this is where stuff like this is going on or it's school parking or at the short the shore communities it's permanent parking only. However that would work >> that I mean that because then you guys lose spots if if the people on pine >> Yeah. I mean that just sort of seems 84 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:53.520 like another level of enforcement issues that you don't necessarily need. That's why that >> So I I I don't know. I think the simple solution is because there is access from that upper lot even for handicap spaces. >> Yeah. And I and I again I'm not I'm not 85 00:23:53.520 --> 00:24:10.799 overly uh familiar with >> ADA regulations in terms of how close those spots need to be to where those people need to go. For example, if somebody is parking up there to go to the basketball courts, it's pretty far, you know, it's pretty far distance. Well, and also how do you get a is there 86 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:24.880 a way to get a wheelchair? >> Yeah, there's pads. >> Yeah, there there's good paths. >> I haven't been there since and there's there's room there's room around the playground. You can get an access road whether it be a dirt whether it be a travel room. There's access room looking at the map and just there's room there 87 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:41.120 whether it's permitted by AD ADA and EP and we'll leave that to the engineers. Yeah, I I think the the the the the path forward is to uh have our engineers uh do a study in terms of um uh 88 00:24:41.120 --> 00:24:55.520 >> I don't think we need an engineer to tell us if we close it off that the speeding is going well but unless the neighbors are speeding but I mean uh uh if they close it off uh that's going to as you said probably resolve the issue in terms of speeders. Um the issue is 89 00:24:55.520 --> 00:25:12.240 whether um whether in terms of those handicapped spots that that It's it's a balancing thing. If if if they tell us that there's enough spots up top and we're compliant, it seems like a logical uh a logical solution. >> You can do it on fish street, too, if you want. 90 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:29.039 >> One street at a time. >> We got a lot of speeders and then there's not whoever designed this 30 years ago. There's no sidewalk on one side and we all know when you perk with the lack, but on Fish Streeter, there's one sidewalk missing. So, there's people in the street a lot walking this time of 91 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:45.520 year. dogs, people with dogs, and then cars speeding, cutting through. They're cutting from Pine, making a left, coming from the the basketball courts, cutting down Fish Street, and going out on Carriage Brook onto Gizar Road. >> Yeah. 92 00:25:45.520 --> 00:26:00.480 >> And it's a speedway in front of where I live on Fish Street, too. >> What would be the best way for us to update you all like as a collector? >> And they go through that stop. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Really big. >> I'm sorry. >> I said, um, if we have Stephen, keep 93 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:17.600 keep communication like I know some areas have ho whatever but what would be the best way to make sure that like your everyone gets the information that they need? um >> point person who's a big point person for this >> I mean I reached out via email 94 00:26:17.600 --> 00:26:37.360 spoke she turned me over to the police department we made progress there just ironically swear I didn't kind of >> collaborated I didn't even speak to Brazil across the 95 00:26:37.360 --> 00:26:51.600 street from ironically heard them were talking about traffic and I said, "Well, we're thinking the same thing." >> You can come up and speak if you >> I mean, I'm kind of just beat the dead horse as far as like, hey, fire trucks might have an issue turning around 96 00:26:51.600 --> 00:27:12.240 because then we close that park. Um, or over parking for community events. Uh, I don't see why they can't just put a gate across the road. That way, the parking lot's still there. Should there be a basketball special event once a month or something much like homework though there's 104 97 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:29.200 spots up on the main uh on Sunday morning at 10 a.m. 18 of those 104 spots were utilized down on the eye parking lot. There were 16 vehicles parked down there. Four of which were in the handicap spots. It's a nice day. Plenty of parking on 98 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:47.919 top. So I don't see why you can't across there because nobody wins if you start writing tickets, right? You know, they have real not saying this isn't a real emergency. To me, it is because I'm not home to protect my work. 99 00:27:47.919 --> 00:28:03.520 The speeders are in need of my wife. They're making kids uncomfortable. There's neighbor kids saying, "Hey, I want to go home because yelling at us. It's a real issue. Um I know it's kind of a petty issue and it doesn't seem like a huge issue, but as a father who's at work all day long, I can't do 100 00:28:03.520 --> 00:28:19.440 anything about it. It's a big issue to us. I hate to see anybody get hurt. >> Yeah. >> Kind of like the point I was saying, nobody wins if you start writing tickets, >> right? >> The point I was trying to get is police officers have real work to be done. Um 101 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:34.880 you write the tickets, people are angry. What are they going to do? Are they going to retaliate? Like nobody I think the safest bet where nobody you know gets hit in the pocket or gets taken away from real crime is dispensable and even if you put there 102 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:51.600 no >> before everybody leaves I'll give you my card that gives it'll give you my work phone that's right here my email address as well so I'll get everyone's contact information be able to give you updates okay >> thank you >> thank you for coming >> yeah thanks everybody yeah come on up 103 00:28:51.600 --> 00:29:11.760 you come coming up for the I'm Ro the third on the 1525 Avenue across from Vaughn. Now I grew up in our family grew up in town for generations and you know I'm the last one to come up here and really complain about much of 104 00:29:11.760 --> 00:29:28.559 anything. It is what it is. I mean the streets and roads everywhere you go are just nuts. People drivers are nuts. No blinkers. No, they turn when they want. We all know that. All right. But uh the the worst thing I see is is really bad too is we're talking about Fifth Street, 105 00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:45.760 which is right up for me. They go through the stop sign constantly. >> The one at Fifth and and we >> Fifth and Pine. Fifth and Pine. I'm coming going to my house going home, cruising along and zing right in front of me. I mean, we're not a California stop. I mean, zing. Okay. 106 00:29:45.760 --> 00:30:01.360 >> And I've had two or three close. >> That's a That's a school bus stop, too, I believe, isn't it? >> It is a school bus stop. And it's very dangerous when you know. So I've had I I follow a lady home and I was very nice. I said, "Excuse me." You know, you realize that's a stop sign and she was 107 00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:16.799 all upset. I'm sorry. Sorry. Just you know, and that's what but it's happened more than once with just me. So I know it's happened with everyone else. Pine Avenue also, if you don't know, is they painted is a bike path. Okay. Just one day they came down the road and said, 108 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:32.640 "Okay, we're going to paint bike path signs." Okay. So, I don't know what that's all about. If it's on the map that says you can ride a bike down here, it's a path. I don't know. It just they just put them there. Um, as far as basketball and all that goes on, I love 109 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:48.080 it. I never had that growing up in We had We had baseball, football. We never had basketball. I love basketball. It's great what they're doing down there. I don't need 30 cars coming down half of them to pick their kids up and then at 110 00:30:48.080 --> 00:31:03.440 the same time coming down my street and most of them aren't done with 25. So that's >> I agree with you on a summer night there. Our our basketball program like you said sort of sort of evolved during co for you know for outdoor outdoor 111 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:20.799 basketball and it's become a real home run in terms of participation. But you know on a summer night you're right it gets crowded there. There's there's three courts, so there might be six games going on on a summer night. Um, and um I know that park I go there 112 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:35.840 because I I I have a son who plays. I know parking is a challenge. I actually spoke to um the president of the association today um to re reiterate our concerns with uh with people going down that street. He said he would make that 113 00:31:35.840 --> 00:31:52.480 uh part of uh part of the the the information that they share with those people. But um uh I think uh it closing it off would would certainly solve the issue. I would think um if we get a study done to let us know that we can do 114 00:31:52.480 --> 00:32:10.000 that uh with with ADA concerns then as far as I'm concerned and I don't know about my >> colle from the beginning when they when they put all this in from the beginning there was not the parking was originally thought to be for people living in Kirkwood that just never happened. Okay. 115 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:25.760 But there was always no parking down there. I had a friend that got a ticket that lived in town. >> It's always been handicapped only. >> Well, there wasn't even handicap. I remember there was nothing there. Then all of a sudden, handicap parking shows up, you know. It's just like, you know, and listen, you guys are running this. I 116 00:32:25.760 --> 00:32:42.640 don't know how you This is crazy running this. I don't know how you guys do it. My hat goes off to you. But, uh, you know, it just it's it's getting to the point now it's just out of control. And not only that, I mean these guys these some of them are young kids flying down the road and you smell stuff coming out 117 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:57.919 of their car. Okay? And it's not a cigarette. All right? So they're driving and and smoking something that's not a cigarette if you know what I mean. >> Yeah. >> You just can smell it and you know what's going on. >> In the interim, I know Chief I spoke to Chief Harrington earlier and she said 118 00:32:57.919 --> 00:33:13.840 that um that our our police have been doing special checks of the area. Um um they put out a sign board to allow traffic uh to to slow traffic. Um um the speed sign will be there. I guess 119 00:33:13.840 --> 00:33:29.120 it's out on another road right now. >> Two other speeding complaints, Victor and Lag. So the speed sign, you guys have the BMS board up and you're right, Ron. It was down. It had a fa technical failure and it came back up a couple days later. That's why there was there 120 00:33:29.120 --> 00:33:44.480 was some issues and that sign That's specific to the handicap parking. The speed the speed trailer is a different that's different. Um they are traffic doesn't have that schedule to come out there. Sergeant clubs in traffic and then officer Rob I think 121 00:33:44.480 --> 00:34:00.240 spoke to him also. They have that down there and our officers are checking the best they can running in between exactly what Dominic said in between calls. They're trying to run radar post and then they get called off for other things. So I I'll reiterate send an email tomorrow just to make sure that 122 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:16.879 they do their even if they're sitting out there to do some of their end of um shift, we have to do it on on one patrol um laptops. Even if they're sitting in that area, it might deter also finishing up their shift, running some work. So I think moving forward if we do if we 123 00:34:16.879 --> 00:34:34.159 have our engineer do a plan with the idea of perhaps closing it off and in the interim uh Chief Harrington will will continue with her efforts to to to quiet andor slow down uh drivers along. Um uh that sounds like at least a 124 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:49.520 tenative plan moving forward. >> And you know we have so many people that walk from Carriage Bro. >> Sure. >> And we wave to them all the time. They wave to me. It's great. It's a nice walk down there. >> It's great. It's a nice Are the horses still out? Still there? >> A couple's still there. Chucky still has 125 00:34:49.520 --> 00:35:05.599 a couple up in there somewhere. >> But I mean, and the township trucks need a place to turn around. They'd have to. >> You're, you know, it'd be inconvenient for them to, you know, pull in somewhere, back around. They need to just turn around and go. They got to make time. We understand all that, too. It's just that everything that's going 126 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:20.160 on now that we have so many little kids on the street now. And it's just not the kids on our street, but it's the kids. They're coming from everywhere. All right. So, I I appreciate Thank you, gentlemen. You're welcome. >> Thank you for taking >> Thanks for coming out. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. 127 00:35:20.160 --> 00:35:35.880 >> Any other comments this evening? >> Seeing none, >> move the post public portion. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I opposed. Public portion is closed and we are ajourned. Good evening.