This is a regularly scheduled meeting for which the date, time, and location is set forth in the annual notice of meetings adopted by the Walwick zoning board. In accordance with the open public meetings act, set annual notice has been filed with the burough clerk. copy posted in the vestibule of the
Waldo administration building and copies transmitted to the official newspapers of the burrow as designated by the governing body to it the Bergen record and the richwood news. Good evening everyone. Will everyone please rise for the pledge of >> allegiance
to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nation >> Mr. Nean >> here >> Mr. Mr. Sarakola >> here. >> Mr. Bakarsski >> here. >> Mr. Walsh >> here.
>> Mr. Centennio >> here. >> Mr. Szo >> here. >> Miss Lepino >> here. >> Mr. Meerjack >> here. >> Mr. Mitchell >> here. >> We'll do the approval for the minutes from November. Has everyone read the minutes from last month?
>> Yes. >> Are there any questions about the minutes from last month? Could I have a motion to wave the reading of the minutes? >> I make a motion we wave the reading of the minutes. >> First by Ted, >> second. >> Second by Rich. >> All in favor?
>> I. >> Could I have a motion to approve the minutes from November? >> I make a motion to approve the minutes from November. >> First, >> second. >> Second by one. >> All in favor? I >> I
>> I post. >> We have no resolutions from last month. So our first application will be milk choir. >> Milk >> milk. Sorry. >> No problem. >> 37 Kennedy Drive.
>> Could you come forward, please? Everybody going to be testifying? >> Yeah, I will be. >> Okay. Raise your right hand, please. Do you sir testimony you're about to give to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So to God. >> Yeah. >> State your name. Spell your last for the record, please.
>> M E L C H I O R. Going to do the first name, too, for bonus points. You don't need bonus points. You're doing fine. >> Hi, >> thank you everybody. Um, good evening. My name is Corey Milk. This is my husband Travis and um, we wanted to
apply for variance for a property in Waldwick. First, I'll introduce ourselves briefly, describe what we're going to do, and then I'll pass it off to Jenny Schmidt, who's our architect, to go through specifics. Travis and I live in Walwick actually at 54 Harrison
Avenue currently. We've been residents since 2013. We have three children at Crescent School. So when we decided that we needed more space, we had already put down roots in the community. We're really happy here and we wanted to find
a place that offered safer, quieter streets and an ability for us to expand. And we found that at Kennedy Drive. So, it allows us to stay in town. And what we're hoping to do is add a little bit of charm to this property, similar to
what other neighbors have done in that area. And it allows us to stay in town for ourselves, for our children. Um, so again, thank you for your time, but I'll pass it off to Jenny. >> Okay. Raise your right hand, please. Do you
share a testimony of refrigeration be the truth and all truth and not the but the true self beyond? >> Yes. >> State your names by your last please. >> Jennifer Schmidt. S C H M I T. >> Okay. And could you give us the benefit
of your education? >> Yes. Um I went to NGIT graduating with my bachelor of architecture in licensed since 2017 and I've been working for Double Designs since 2013. Okay. And
I don't recall you ever coming before this board. Have you been before municipal boards before? >> I have been before several boards before. Um mostly in Richfield Park, just recently in Dumont as well as Fort. >> Mhm. So you're moving west. >> I'm sorry. >> You're moving west.
>> Yes. >> All right. >> My my boss has a few I believe this before. >> Okay. Um, all right. Members of the board, just to clarify, anytime we have a professional, then an
architect isn't is a professional. Their testimony can go a little bit beyond what a normal witness can do. A professional can venture an opinion based on the facts that are shown to be true.
When a professional goes into the area of opinion, you are absolutely entitled to accept it if you find it comports with your vision of what things are and if it helps you to reach a decision.
Conversely, if you do not agree with the conclusions, you are not bound to accept an expert's opinion. You can reject it just like you can reject any other testimony. So Double Designs, myself and my Linda,
we were hired by our clients to expand the existing ranch style home at 337 Drive. Currently the ranch 3bedroom home. We were looking to add space onto the existing first floor to
expand the first floor plan as well as add a level. So adding a full second story to the ranch to provide four bedrooms for their family as well as two bathrooms. Um in addition to that, they were looking to add a singlecar garage
to the to the property um attached to the hall. We always try to avoid variances whenever we can. That's always the case. However, it became immediately apparent given the zoning ordinance and the requirements for setbacks in particular
that variances would be un unavoidable in this case. Um, the best illustration of that would be the site plan. Um, I don't know that your copy has it on it, but I did try to highlight it in green. I'm not sure if you can see it. >> Yeah, it's there. Yeah, there's a a
green box here that indicates what the allowable building envelope should be based on the setback requirements for this zone. Um, and that really tells the big story, which is the current home is much further up on the property towards
the front of property. So, in order to add to this home, especially to add a second level or an attached garage would be impossible without seeking variances for those conditions. Um, in addition to that, the lot has a um, undersized lot
width. So, the required lot width is 100 ft and we only have 60 ft. That's really the catalyst for the setback variances that we have to see. And again, with those setback requirements for this zone, we would have been left with roughly a 25 ft window in order to um,
expand the home, which is not very practical. So to walk you through the site plan again what we were hired to do expanding the first floor living area. We were adding footprint to the home towards the rear. So conforming to the rear yard setbacks and with the addition on the
first floor we were holding the required 10 ft of setback for that first floor addition that we were able to do. Um with the garage the single car garage. Unfortunately, the only way to add a single car garage would be to encroach
on the sideyard required step back. So, we are encroaching at the minimum we can to get us to get a single car garage and that is um providing only a 5yard cut 5T sideyard setback. Again, with the first floor addition,
there was a portion of the existing ranch um an addition that had been put on at some point that's just a slab on grade. So, we're going to remove that and I'll I'll walk you through the floor so you can see that better. Um, we are proposing a front covered porch that really enhances the aesthetics of the
property um and and the neighborhood streetscape. It should be noted a lot of the homes on this block are are either have expanded to to a second story, have maybe added a portico to the front of the home, while others are are the same as the current
home, which is the the original ranch style. So, this kind of in keeps with the neighborhood, but um it blends. We then have I think it would be best to show you the floor plan much bigger
here. So, here is our first floor plan where you can see we have a modest covered porch, but it does um extend along the entire front of the of the home. However, this is the original footprint of that first floor. So any
setbacks were existing. We are adding that porch to align. We then have the garage addition here to the side. And we enter through the garage. We add some space on towards the rear here. And where my fingers are here, this is where
there was an addition that we're just taking off. Um it's it's old in disrepair. And this is our new addition to the rear that does conform to the 10 ft. Unfortunately, we we can't conform to side total, which is 35. We just
can't do it. And then there's a covered patio area in the back. And then the covered porch. As I said, you then have the second floor. So, second floor again is a is a full level. This portion of that second floor is directly over the
existing first floor footprint. And then there's the addition that I mentioned on the first level. We're also going over. It's still a very modest sized home. We only have, you know, reasonably sized three main bedrooms and then a a reasonable master suite with a master
bath, a laundry room and an adequate closets and a bathroom for the children. Um, as I take you to again I go over these elevations, but this is the front elevation.
our clients have a particular style in mind. So, the covered porch idea um the aesthetics of the home are very much driven by their their wants and needs and that's why the covered porch really enhances the aesthetics of the of the style. We did not go over the garage as well.
That should be noted. Um we know that the garage is is an encroachment on the sideyard. So, we didn't need to go over that to gain space on the second floor and we avoided that. So we kept the second floor solely within the footprint of the original
and this one. >> Sorry about that. >> Okay. So that's going to stay a slab, I guess. Here we're getting a little bit clearer of the basement fan. This is this is just very clearly illustrating the original footprint of the home and
the addition to the rear which again is set in from that original home garage. Um these are our side views side and mirror. So here you can see again this is the porch in the front. This is the original home footprint and then this is
the addition to the back. This is the rear view and it's it's it's just a um covered covered outdoor space and and again that addition towards the back. Um I just want to take you through again the um the zoning chart so we can
without you know going through every number. The lot area here in the zone is required to be 15,000 square ft and this lot is only 10,85. The lot width is required to be 100 and is only 60. Then we have the front yard
which is required to be 50 ft and the existing home is at 30 ft. >> With our proposed porch, the front yard setback will be 24 ft. >> The sideyard minimum requirements are 10 ft and our existing setbacks are actually only 5.7
and the total means oh sorry the other side is 17.4. So with our proposed additions those setbacks are remaining similar. Um the one side is going to be 5.6 and the other side will be the 5 ft sold because of the garage addition.
Our sideyard total existing is 23.6 where 35 ft is required and our proposed is 10.6. But again, I go back to the site plan because that is very much a condition of
the existing sideyard set back here is 5.7 and then with the garage edition we have 5. So that's where that that sideyard total is really coming from. It's not the majority of the additions. Um,
in summary, we do feel these variances could be granted based on a C1 hardship as well as the C2 criteria for for C variances. The hardship of course being the narrow width of the lot as well as the
undersized lot. We feel that this is um physical features of the site that we believe are extraordinary and exceptional situations that affect the property. We see two benefits outweighing the detriments with no better planning alternative. Um, your master plan does describe that there's a
desire to preserve the existing single family housing stock through maintenance and rehabilitation while maintaining appropriately sized homes and are not out of character with the surrounding neighborhood. These proposed additions do conform then with the intent of your
master plan and I believe that we've demonstrated the benefits of granting these variances outweigh the detriments and do not impair the intent of the purpose of the zone plan and the zoning ordinance. Um the evidence being that despite the proposed you know the
setback uh variances the proposed home does conform to all the other bulk and coverage requirements despite being undersized and narrowed up. Um, and I will end there, but I can answer any questions. >> Okay. So, what we come down to is a
property that is really fully a third too small an area and the looking at it front on the left side addition is being kept 10 feet from the sideyard. So, it's not really it's
not really an exacerbation of the um variance that is on that side. That being said, the garage that's a chunk. There's that that's a chunk. There's no way to get around it.
Um but again, the limitation is the fact that you got 60 feet instead of 100 feet. you're exacerbating the already existing nonconformity in the front, taking it from 30 down to 24.
Um, but the rear still conforms, correct? >> All right. And you're taking the add a level up on the original walls so that it doesn't further encroach up there.
>> Thank you. This time we'll take questions from the board. Brian would like to start. >> Joe, the variances they need is the side and the um front. >> Correct. >> That's all it need. It's just the two. >> The one side's staying the same. The left side.
>> The left side is existing. >> So 5 foot on the right side. >> Right side is decreased for the garage. >> I thought it was 15 ft in total. 10 on one side, five on the other. Well, it's R1 zone is 10 one side, 15 the opposite. I'm sorry.
>> 25. Okay. >> So, we're coming up. >> No, I'm sorry. >> 35. >> It's 25. >> 25, which is 35 total. So, the existing house doesn't have that at all. >> And even though the rear addition, they
maintain the 10T required on one side, but they don't meet the total of both sides. So, but either way, it's the bigger issue with the sideyard variances or the exist. Okay. >> Correct. And it's just >> and and we do advocate for garages. So,
>> yeah, we want one garages. So, yeah. All right. So, basically, we're looking at two variances here. >> Correct. >> Actually, that brings it into compliance in that regard. >> Correct. >> That's all my questions. I have no questions. >> Does this have a basement? >> Oh, yes. Oh, does okay. You should Oh,
yes. Okay. You should um It's an existing semi-finished basement and in addition, we'll have a full basement unfinished future. >> So, yeah, >> I I do have a question. Sorry, guys. >> It's okay. >> With the proposed new basement, did you
get a chance to calculate the cubic foot volume of the movement of soil? >> Why not? You're going to have to um if it's a major, you're going to have to come back, >> but that would go to the planning board. >> What's the size of the addition? >> Sure. Um
>> first for >> 20 by 27. >> Just the basement. The basement portion 20 by 27. >> What is it? >> 20 by 27 approximately. >> Okay. >> So, let's see.
27. Do you know the depth? Six, seven ft. Maybe 8 ft. >> We can deal minister. >> Cool. >> That's great. >> No questions. >> I have no questions. Go.
So, the existing house doesn't have a garage, right? Correct. No garage. >> So, in order to be in compliance with um the ordinance, you'd have to and there's no practical place to put a garage on a property,
>> right? >> Aside from where you're placing it now, >> right? Unless it property, which really is less practical. >> Yeah. Right. So, there's really no way to get back there, >> right? >> You're creating more driveway. So in order to get >> use the garage it's
>> it's that far back >> so in order to get into compliance with the garage requirement you have to infringe on the sideyard. >> Okay. I don't have any other questions. >> Uh no no questions for me.
>> Ted, do you have any questions? >> Uh no questions. >> I have I have a question. >> Not not time. It's not time for audience yet, but there will be. >> Joe, I have a question. Is there a minimum sideyard
for emergency access? >> Yeah, I didn't know there's >> not in a single family home. >> The public really needs to >> Okay. uh have other homes in the area.
Um are there is there need for garages on other homes in the area? In other words, are there homes now without a garage? >> Would you like me to respond? >> If you know, >> from what I've noticed on this on this
block and and even extended block, there's a mix. Some don't have a garage at all. Others have a detached in the same similar location, but >> the back >> and some actually do have the attached. And bunch of years ago, um, there was
almost a crusade to get garages back, particularly with the Zamores, because on a lot of those, they made a family room out of the old garage, and thus took a took a property that had the required two and one inside and wound up
with just two. So this is actually in very much in line with what the town was trying to do a number of years back. >> Excuse me. Could you move your easel to this side because the audience really can't see us?
>> Yes. So the audience, >> Could you turn your plane so the audience can I should just hold them out of the way. Nice. >> Do you have any questions?
>> I think they covered it pretty well. >> Straightforward a lot. you know, too. They're too small. >> I don't know. >> Joe answered my question and there still managed to be a compliance coverage.
>> At this time, we'll take questions from the audience. >> Okay, ma'am. You've got to come up by a microphone. Here's the way this works. If you want to ask questions, you're absolutely entitled to do so. First, you must identify yourself. Next, you must
actually be under oath because we >> I'm having a hard time. >> I'm sorry. That's my fault. Forgive me. >> You have to be under oath because you wind up volunteering information and so we have to know it's
okay. The other part of it is this is the time for only questions. You will however have a chance to comment afterwards. It's broken into two parts. All right. >> Okay. >> So now, if you'd raise your right hand, >> do you swear a testimony you're about to
give? Should be the truth and the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Self. >> Yes. >> State your name and spell your last, please. >> My name is Arlene Remington. >> Mhm. >> R E M I N G T O N. >> Okay. >> And I live in 43 Kennedy, which is only
a couple houses down from the proposed edition. >> Mhm. Ask your questions, ma'am. No, you're >> I'll stand up for All right. So, my question I've lived in Waldwick at 43
Kennedy Drive since 1965. So, I've seen these houses start at little houses and expand the whole street so forth. I live at the bottom of the street, which is the last house at the bottom. I myself put on an addition
and I myself needed a variance at one point in time. So my question is or my biggest concern is is the front. If you look up and down Kennedy Drive, the houses are all in in order. They're
all 50 ft back, whatever the required is. There might be one that has a little front porch. I don't know what you call if you call it covered. I just think it's an extreme to go 24 feet when it's
50 ft. I'm having a hard time thinking how far out that house is going to come to Kennedy Drive to the street when all the other houses are set 50 ft back. That's my biggest concern. The rest of them
going back, going up, going any which way, fine. But I'm just concerned that the continuity of the streets and how the houses look now and then you're going to see a house that all of a sudden juts out and if I look out my
front door, I can't see down the street because this house is wet. >> Miss Reington, >> that's my question. >> Okay. Is it your observation that this house is further forward already?
Is it your observation that this house is further forward already? >> No, it's in line with all the other houses. >> Then the other houses are not compliant either because this house is 30 ft from the curb. So they're not m the other houses aren't >> compliant. It's all in line with mine. What? Wherever however the houses are in
line. >> But ma'am, my point is that if you take a look, the requirement is 50 ft. Right. >> So, every one of those houses apparently has a variance. >> I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
>> So, now when you come right down to it, we're talking about another six feet. >> Well, then that's >> right. From where it is now. Is that >> What's the width of it? What's the width of a new porch? >> It's only It's only six feet of a covered onetory porch, which is
different than if it were a whole house. >> It is a house. And I do have ways that I >> you know the other thing with our town or our street in particular and we go through every year is we don't have
sidewalks and we don't have curbs. So if you put an addition too far on the front, if at some point in time you want to put sidewalks in person, that house is going to be really pretty close to the front. Am I objecting to putting curbs? And I don't know if anybody's
ever thought about it. It is dangerous driving down our street when the leaves are all in the street. I But I'm not going to propose the curbs >> because unfortunately you'd be assessed for them. >> Oh well, no. I I don't want to go there. Somebody
>> ma'am I understand what >> I didn't realize that we all had because when I looked at that and I ft back and they want to come out like what >> no >> excuse me Cliff may I add something
concerning the setbacks concerning the front yards >> the street Kennedy Drive is not your standard 50t wide. >> Uh there is a good 10 ft beyond my
30foot setback that's still grass. Okay. If you were to look at my property 10 ft up off the where the edge of the asphalt is is where the property line is. >> Man, tell me you're not uncanny. >> He is. >> He is.
>> Are you're outside of the 200 foot, right? >> Yes. >> On this case, yes. >> Okay. >> On this case, yes. >> Thank you. The next case, no. >> The next case, no. No. But the thing is, u I brought it up at council. I mean, I'm old,
>> you know, I take care of the grass and whatnot there, but technically the street is not the standard 50 ft wide. >> Gotcha. >> So, that's where a lot of confusion happens. >> Right. Thank you. >> Is there anyone else in the audience has
questions for this applicant? take final uh comments from the applicant. We appreciate listen to us. >> Have a motion to approve the application. >> I make a motion we approve the application. Second by Brian, second by
Ted. >> Mr. Neman, >> yes. >> Mr. Sarakola, >> yes. >> Mr. Varski, >> yes. >> Mr. Walsh, >> yes. >> Mr. Centennio, >> yes. >> Mr. Senzo, >> yes. >> Miss Lino, >> yes. >> Mr. Marjack, >> yes. >> Mr. Mitchell,
>> yes. >> All right. What they just did was make work for me because there will be a written resolution which will detail this the um approval
here that will not be passed or at least voted on by this board until the 21st of January. Here's the way the timing works. You are entitled as of now to go to the building department and file plans and
start pulling for permits. However, you do so at your own risk. New Jersey law says that there is a 45day period within which anyone can come back and object.
and that starts to run not now, not on the 21st of January when the um when the resolution is presumably fast, but when it's published thereafter, that
starts that 45day clock. That being said, this is not a shopping center, something crazy like that. You have to I can't give you advice, but you can talk to your architect about
what she's observed over the years. All right. Appreciate the fact that you're staying in town. >> Pretty much everyone here did, too. >> All right. >> Good job, Jennifer. >> Plans were very nicely marked.
Happy holidays to y'all. >> Get out. >> Our next application is Sedarius, 27 Kennedy Drive. >> Excuse me. >> All right. Let the record reflect that
Mr. Szo has recused himself and stepped down. Okay, folks, you both give us a second to regroup here. It's their neighbors. 27.
All right. You all both can testify. Okay. Both of you raise your right hands. Do you say our testimony you're about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but truth? So you got state each of your names in turn and spell your last.
>> Michael. >> Mhm. >> Okay. One of you can spell it. >> Spell your last name, please. >> S I V E R I A S. >> All righty. By all means, have a seat.
Okay. And >> is the PA on this mic close to you? >> Yeah. No, it's not me. >> Joe, did they cut all these things on on 60 foot frontage? I >> think so. Yes. There was a similarity in the numbers.
>> All righty, folks. Tell us what you want to do. >> Tell us what you want to do. Pull the mic towards you. >> Sir, could you just move the mic? It's hard to hear what you're saying. >> Not only that, but you need to be recorded. So,
>> good. So, we want to add uh we have an existing uh side uh side yard uh barriers problem. We have 5T on one side, 7 ft on the other, seven or eight. So, uh we want to just go back because the room the house is only like 1,000
square ft approximately. So, we just want to go back 12 ft towards the backyard and 28 ft to the side where there is an existing uh sun room and we're going to just even be another 288 square ft.
>> Okay, give me just a second. What you do is uh enlarge the bedrooms a little and the bathroom. >> And that you're not going up. >> Not >> you're not really going back cuz you're not breaking the envelope that you got.
You're not according to this sketch. You are not making the sideyard variance worse in in the idea of encroaching going closer to the side to the sideline.
You're just making that encroacher longer. >> Yes. >> Okay. And at this point, that's all you're doing. >> Yes. >> I'm sorry. What was the square footage on that again?
>> No, on the um addition. >> 24 by 12. >> 24 by 12. What do you want me to do math? >> 288 ft. >> 288. You said >> making me do math. >> Sorry. >> Sorry, Cliff. >> Okay.
All right. Okay. Let's get a couple things on the record and I think we'll probably be able to wrap this up. So, for the record, if you'd answer my questions, what's the width of the your property?
>> Uh, 60 ft. >> Is it not 60 ft? >> Yeah, 60 ft. Okay. And is the depth of your property not 168 plus feet?
Okay. And is the area of your property something on the order of 10,000 square ft where 15,000 ft is required? >> Yes. 10,080 ft. >> Yeah. All right. And
again, for the record, your proposal does not put you any closer to the rear lot line. And in fact, you're more than far enough away from that. Yes.
>> It doesn't bring you any closer to the to the um facing the house, the left lot line. It just extends the wall of the house as it encroaches. Now, >> and so that's going to make your house
almost 1300 square ft, give or take. >> Yes. All righty. Anything else you think we need to know? >> My son lives in town also. >> That's the way this town is.
All right. I don't have any other questions. Let's take questions from the board. Brian, would you like to start? >> Just existing nonconformity and extending the existing nonconformity of QP. Absolutely. >> Nothing. Nothing special.
>> It's a technical exacerbation. >> Yeah. >> I have no question. I have no questions. >> Bruce, no questions. >> I have no questions. Phil, >> no questions. >> No questions. >> I have one.
>> Do you plan on adding a front porch? >> We're having a special All right. Is there anything else y'all feel you need to tell us? >> No, I'm about >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Any final comments? >> I'd be in favor. It's just existing. None. >> I would also >> I'd be in favor. It's straightforward and it'd be a great addition to to the home as well. >> I agree. I also agree.
>> Straightforward. I agree. >> You agree with the application. >> Okay. >> Do I have a motion to approve the application? >> I make a motion we approve the application. >> First, >> second, >> Mr. Neman. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Sarakola. >> Yes. >> Mr. Varski. >> Yes. >> Mr. Walsh. >> Yes. >> Mr. Centennio. >> Yes. >> Mr. Stanzo. >> Oh, that's right. Miss Lino. >> Yes. >> Mr. Meerjack. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mitchell. >> Yes.
>> Okay, that's your approval. The formal approval will be by way of a written resolution and that will be voted on on the 21st of January. You might have heard before. The way this works is technically
on one hand you can start working now if you want go to the building department they'll know that this happened. You can also be very very conservative about this and say I'm not going to do anything until
there's no way that anybody can kick this thing back. To do that, you need to wait for 45 days to pass from the date that the resolution that's passed is published in the paper. So presumably
that'll happen like at the very end of January and your 45 days would start to run then. So it' be February and half of March basically. At that point, nobody can touch you as long as you haven't heard anything. >> Good time to dig. Good time to date.
Exactly. Anyway, congratulations. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> You're very welcome. >> Have a happy holiday. >> Absolutely. >> We
>> usually wound up in litigation from this board. >> All righty, Rachel. >> Okay. >> Do you have any old business? >> Yeah, I have old business. >> It sounds wrong saying it's old business.
Unfortunately, Joyce, last week I had no voice and couldn't tell you how much I've appreciated you all these years. It's been nearly 30 years for us and I know it's been 40 years for you. Although how a 25year-old can do that, I
don't quite understand. But the truth is it has been an absolute pleasure to work with you every day, every minute. your attitude. You You put a smile on my face and I'm gonna miss
you terribly. >> And I'll miss you and everyone. Thank you. >> I'm gonna miss you, Joyce, so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Joy. >> You're the common chaos. >> You were so helpful and like calming and stuff when I came on this board. I appreciate it.
>> Thank you. Nice to be here. Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate it and I will miss you all. >> What do you do with all your free time now? They got back. >> Thank you. >> Hang out with my granddaughter. >> Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you.
>> We have any new business? >> Uh, two things. Do we have to approve the meeting schedule or is that >> Yeah, I think >> not until January. >> Not until January. >> Not until January. >> What am I going to do without you? Well, at this rate, they could really, so I may still be here in January.
>> I told him that I would stay on and still have some money. >> Thank you. >> I won't leave you in the >> And the second thing is >> I couldn't imagine you would >> and and I don't want to make extra work to anybody else. So,
>> and the second thing is Cliff, what goes on with the >> I know you're all praising Joyce and I just want to say thank you. >> Oh, you're welcome. because she was very helpful to us guiding us through this process and our daughter my daughter and her granddaughter go to school together
and we are great friends and you will be absolutely missed for this asset. >> Thank you >> to this town. >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Cliff, what goes on now with the newspapers? We no longer have to advertise in the newspaper. So, how's
that going to be handled going? >> You know what? I don't know. The courts will tell us. >> Okay. >> Somebody, some town is going to bring it to the courts and they will come to a determination on how that is handled. >> The reason I'm asking is you were saying
that you got to wait till it's >> I know. Unfortunately, unless and until it's formally changed. >> It's formally it's formally changing. public. Okay, I will revamp. >> Just curious wondering how it all works.
>> It's the timing is still going to be about the same though. Because even if the publication is electronic, it's still going to run over the same time period as a practical matter because we're not
going to have a resolution until January 21st. >> And then as soon as we have the revol resolution, >> so it's going to move it's going to move the 45 days up the start of it. It's going to move it up a couple of days. That's really technically the only >> that's the only difference. That's the only practical difference is really what
it comes down to because they're not changing the statutory period. They're just take changing how it's told >> just how it's >> how it start >> how it's published or not published. >> Exactly.
And actually as a term of art public, we're probably going to go back to the more common law version of the term publication and that is to let it be known to a
third party. When we talk about things like liel and slander, we are talking about if you if you write it and don't show it to anybody, it's not slander. I mean, if you show it to somebody, you
publish it. And so once it goes on the web, presumably that's going to be publication. So it'll just happen faster. >> Okay. Just >> Yeah. No, it's a good question. >> How it all works. >> Yep. I did that change.
>> Uh March is it March 1st? >> I'm not sure. >> Oh, no. It's passed. It's law. It's It takes effect March 1st. No longer have to advertise in the newspapers. >> It takes effect this coming March. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But as a practical matter, these two ca these two um applications still
going to be subject to the old law. >> So So quick question. I know the the publication of the resolution does that also carry the notice to people or no you still have to do you still have to let's say person applies for variance
and part of the variance process they have to write an article newspaper does that also is waved or is they do still have to publish an article newspaper before they come here >> good question >> um presum presumably
if they're changing the the concept of publication for the final result. They're doing it for the um I the question is Brian I haven't looked at that legislation. Where do they where do they
want it published? >> I I mean is it on the town's website? >> Yeah, I think website as well because remember we still have north jersey.com. >> Yeah. So in a sense it can still be published on the web.
Some some sharp new New York lawyer is going to make himself a lot of money arguing that one. >> A couple of them. >> Couple of them. Just just a couple. Because how would if somebody's applying for a variance like Joe's saying and
it's not no one's only the people within the 200 feet are going to get a letter but no one else would know about it like >> in the neighborhood. >> That's weird. >> Let's put it this way. >> I actually get more information from the town >> website than you know I ever got out of
a newspaper. >> Yeah. There's a quick summary online just says that in addition to newspaper publication mandatory in March 2026 requiring publication on municipal websites as well doesn't say it's eliminating paper
publication. >> Okay. So changes >> a practical matter. How many of you read the um legal postings in the paper? >> Me. Dude, you need a lot
>> until they started making it so tiny. >> I know. >> You used to be able >> magnifying glass. >> Stad. >> You tell me. Did they make them tinier or do they just look tinier to us?
>> Oh, no. >> Five point. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that first glance. I was using my phone camera. I wondered if there was a law about what size tight you're supposed to fish. >> There is actually there is regulations. >> I'm sure there are there have to be
>> like scales and stuff in delies but they have to use a point >> and so yeah there are regulations on how how big how much how small they can be. >> Makes sense. >> You still can't read it anymore. It
saves space and ink >> and that's costing more. >> Anyhow, so newspaper publication isn't going away for the moment and >> seems like it was a successful year.
We could always ask Chad GPT or we could not. It's >> trust the kids. >> For what it's worth, they found Kennedy Drive because earlier this year you had 28 Kennedy Drive. They're going to go
up. This is going to go higher. And uh I guess they found out that Kennedy Drive is a a little street. You could probably have your kids play out in the street. And it's and we do not come out to Worth Avenue.
>> That's great. >> So yeah. >> Yeah. Look, this is the way these things go. I grew up in Fannis and in Fannis, they built a whole bunch of helms right after World War II. They were
two-bedroom ranches, no garage, one bath. >> Mhm. And if you can find one that looks like that now, I defy you to most of them are big colonials or B levels now. >> McMansions. >> McMansions.
>> Yeah. >> And we were in we were in um in France from 61 on. My aunt was there a couple years earlier. So >> when the styles changed >> when they went to celebrate Levittown,
they couldn't find an original house. All of them had been modified. Thousands and thousands of them. We couldn't find an original one to to take. >> It's It's the way of the world. >> Mhm.
>> We expand our needs and you look back and you say, "How did somebody raise three kids in that house?" >> They did. >> Three. Six. >> Well, depending on which neighborhood. >> Yeah. Anyway,
I appreciate you guys having me this year. Obviously, you'll make whatever decision you make, but I enjoy being here. >> Can you help those things shut already? >> Yes. >> We have a motion to adjurnn. I make a
motion. Second. All >> in favor? I opposed.