five, six, seven years later 2010. >> This is a regularly scheduled meeting for which the date, time, and location is set forth in the annual notice of meetings adopted by the Waldo zoning board in accordance with the open public meetings act said annual notice has been
filed with the burough clerk. The copy posted in the vestibule of the Waldo administration building and copies transmitted to the official newspapers of the burrow as designated by the governing body to win the Bergen record and the Ridgewood News. Joyce, can you
take roll call please? >> Mr. Nean >> here. >> Mr. Sarakola >> here. >> Mr. Bkarsski >> here. >> Mr. Walsh. >> Mr. Centennial >> here. >> Mr. Senzo >> here.
Mr. Meerjack >> here. >> Mr. Herman >> here. >> Good evening everyone. Will everyone please rise for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation indivisible and justice for all. We'll do the approval of the minutes. Has everyone read the minutes? >> Yes. Yes. >> Are there any comments about the minutes? >> I make a motion that we wave the reading
of the minutes. >> Second. >> Ted first. Rich second. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. None. I make a motion we accept the minutes. >> Approve the minutes. >> Second.
>> Ted first. Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> posted. We'll have the swearing in of our new member, Bert Hortman. Raise your right hand, please.
I Bert Hartman >> H I Bert Hartman >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will faithfully >> that I will faithfully >> impartially >> impartially >> and justly >> and justly >> perform all the duties as >> perform all the duties as
>> alternate number two member of the board of adjustment of the burrow of >> alternate number two member of the board of adjust adjustment of the burrow of >> Bergen County >> Bergen County >> to an unexpired term
>> to fill an unexpired term >> commencing March 1, 2026 >> commencing March 1, 2026 >> to December 31st, 2027 >> to December 31st, 2027. according to the best of my ability.
>> according to the best of my ability. >> And that I will support the Constitution of the United States. >> And that I will support the Constitution of the United States. >> And the Constitution of the State of New Jersey. >> And the Constitution of the State of New Jersey. >> And that I will bear true faith >> and that I will bear true faith
>> and allegiance to the same. >> And allegiance to the same. and to the governments >> and to the governments >> established in the United States >> established in the United States >> and in this state >> and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people. >> So help me God. >> So help me God.
>> Open the door. We have six resolutions from last month with Raheem Wallace, Cahoo Milan, Maro Quinn. >> Wallace was not heard. >> Was heard resolution? Okay, we don't
have the resolutions here. Milan, Maroquin, and D. Christina, could I have a motion to wave the reading of these resolutions? >> I make a motion we wave the reading of these resolutions. >> First by Ted, second, second by Rich.
Motion to adopt the resolution for Raheem 111 Lillian or 117 Lillian Street in Wal. >> I make a motion to accept the resolution for Raheem. >> Ted first Rich second Joyce real.
>> Uh Rich Mr. Nean >> yes >> Mr. Sarah >> yes >> Mr. Yes, >> Mr. Morski. >> Yes, >> Mr. Centennio. >> Yes, >> Mr. Hartman. >> Yes,
>> Mr. Me. >> Yes. >> Could I have a motion to approve Phash 14 Long View Drive? >> I make a motion to accept Push 14 Long View Drive.
Second, second by Rich. Mr. Neman, >> yes. >> Mr. Sarakola, >> yes. >> Mr. Sanzo, >> yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Centennial, >> yes. >> Mr. Hartman, >> abstain. >> Mr. Marjette,
>> yes. >> Okay. I have a motion to approve the resolution for Milan 52 Grand Avenue. I make a motion to accept the resolution for Milan 52 Grand Avenue. Second by Rich.
>> Mr. Nean. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sarakola. >> Yes. >> Mr. Senzo. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Centennio. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hartman. >> Abstain. >> Mr. Mar. >> Yes. Could
I have a motion to approve Maroquin 75 Franklin turnpike? >> I make a motion to accept the resolution for Maroquin 75 Franklin turnpike. >> Second. >> Mr. Ne. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sarakola. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Senzo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Barkski. >> Yes. >> Mr. Centennio. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hartman. >> Abstain. >> Mr. Marjek. >> Yes. Could I have a motion to approve the resolution for D Christina 12 Kathy
Lane? >> I make a motion to accept the resolution for D. Christina at 12 Kathy Lane. >> Second. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Senzo. >> Yes. >> Mr. McCarthy.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Centennial. >> Yes. Mr. Hartman >> abstain. >> Mr. Mon. >> Yes. >> Our first application tonight is Ramos for Frederick Street in Waldor.
Please come up to the table. How's everybody doing tonight? Let me stand up. Actually, I feel weird sitting down. I haven't been here. It's 2020 since co because we're all having virtual court. I mean, >> you have a card counselor. >> What card? >> Not on me. I apologize. You can check my website johnm hooperesq.com
if you need anything on me. So, I appreciate it. I'm here tonight uh with Mr. Adam Ramos, a proposed business owner, our master planner, certified master planner, Mr. Michael Caulkler and uh Cocker, excuse me, and uh our gallery manager, Miss Shayla Nolan. We are here tonight in regards, and I apologize, I'm
reading off this, just want to make sure I get everything right. Um we are here tonight in regards to use fairings application for Fort Frederick Street, block 107, lot 17 to open up a high-end boutique tattoo parlor and art gallery for the local artist and existing building that Mr. Ramos is currently occupying. Uh it will be called Lucky
Fridays, and we have been looking forward to coming here and discussing this application with everyone tonight. for Frederick Street is located in the village commercial district C1 zone in a mixeduse building and Mr. Ramos currently operates his business the real barber shop out of this location. Mr. Ramos has successfully operated and
grown his business at this location in Walderick for about 15 years. Uh he has been a local business owner resident of Walwick for a considerable amount of time and is heavily invested in the community. Uh he has been cutting my hair personally for about uh 10 years and I've personally seen Mr. Ramos
operated successful high-end barber shop for over a decade in a professional and courteous manner. He's always treated everyone with respect and he's also created quite a following for his barber shop. These are one of the few uh reasons of the many reasons we believe the board should grant this proposed use variance application for this location.
We do understand the operation of this tattoo parlor is listed as prohibited use under statute 97-116. Mr. Ramos' barber shop, which is permitted uh which is a permitted use in the C1 zone per statute 97-119.9A
is currently occupying the entire space and will be subdivided into two spaces. The application is granted. Uh the proposed tattoo parlor will be about 800 square ft and have a private bathroom which is currently installed um for patrons and for employees. Uh this space should easily be able to meet the
minimum one parking spot per 200 square feet with the current parking along Frederick Street. U Mr. Ramos will elaborate on the parlor's hours, which will open around 11:00 a.m. As I know, Frederick Street is a 2-hour street parking rule from 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon on the north side and from 10:00
a.m. to 12:00 noon on the south side of the street. With the tattoo parlor opening no earlier than 11:00 a.m., these uh parking rules should not negatively affect the application. And as the business will be located on the south side of Frederick Street, any deliveries for any supplies will be delivered before 10:00 a.m. and within
the current loading time zone hours, which I believe one of the documents we were given said from 4:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. Along with a tattoo parlor, Miss Nolan here is here to discuss the operation and opening of the art gallery side of Lucky Fridays. The art gallery
will offer a creative outlet for local artists to showcase their work in a way that they normally would not have access to. We believe this gallery will definitely have a positive impact in the local community and Miss Nolan is looking forward to discussing this with you shortly. Now I'd like to introduce Mr. Adam Ramos and we would like to move
to Mr. Adam Ramos's testimony in regards to his background. Lucky Friday's message and our overall operation of the scene. Mr. Ramos, can you introduce yourself to the board and give us some information on your background? >> Stand please. >> Yes, sir. >> State your name, spell your last.
>> Uh, yes. My name is Adam Ramos. R A M O S. Okay. Do you swear your testimony shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Sophie God. >> I do. >> Thank you very much. >> Adam, can you elaborate on uh the
proposed application, your analysis, your you know, how you're going to operate the uh the Lucky Fridays tattoo parlor and what you plan to do with the >> Yes. Well, good evening, chairman and members of the board. Uh my name is Adam Ramos and I'm the owner of a local business here in Waldwick located
directly next door to the proposed location at 4 Frederick Street. It's been nearly 20 years since my career as a cosmetologist began at two Frederick Street and this September will mark 15 years of operating that business in town. I'm also a 7-year Waldwick
resident. So I have a genuine long-term interest in the success, safety, and character of this community. I'm here tonight to present Lucky Fridays, a small 800 ft appointment-only tattoo studio and art gallery. I want to begin by clarifying something important. This
is not a traditional walk-in tattoo shop. This is a highly controlled appointment-based studio combined with a curated art gallery designed to operate more like a boutique creative space than a retail storefront. The studio will have only two artists working by
appointment with no walk-in traffic, no loitering, and no late night activity. Tattooing hours will be limited to 11:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. Tuesday through Friday and 11:00 a.m. to 400 p.m. on Saturdays. In the evenings, the space transitions
into a quiet gallery setting, showcasing artwork and hosting small community focused events. From a safety stand, from a safety and compliance standpoint, we will be operating at or above New Jersey Department of Health standards.
We have already secured a licensed medical waste provider, Advil Waste Medical Services, and have developed detailed sanitation protocols that include single-use equipment, strict sterilization procedures, and daily documentation practices.
Every aspect of this operation is designed to meet professional medical grade cleanliness standards. Equally important to me is how this business fits into Waldwick. Over the past 15 years, I've worked hard to build a business that reflects professionalism,
respect, and consistency. Lucky Fridays will carry that same standard forward. The goal is to create a space that supports and elevates the local arts community by showcasing local artists, hosting small exhibitions, and providing
a platform for creative expression in a controlled and positive environment. This is not just about opening a business. It's about contributing something meaningful to the town. A space that encourages creativity, brings people together, and adds to the cultural fabric of Waldwick in a
responsible and respectful way. I understand the responsibility that comes with this request and I want the board to know that I am fully committed to operating in a manner that reflects the standards of this community. I am also open and willing to comply with any reasonable conditions the board may
have. Thank you. >> Are there any questions for Mr. Ramos? Any follow-up questions or anything? question. Mr. Ramos, >> how long have you been a tattoo artist or are you? >> I'm not a tattoo artist.
Let me just go out and say it. The Wald zoning ordinance is 100% clear. Tattoo parlors have never been permitted. They have been prohibited use from the very beginning. Admittedly, I've only been in this seat for 28
years, but I've never seen one even try to come in because it's so clearly delineated. Why should we let something prohibited
set up shop? >> Well, I think that this day and age um tattooing doesn't come with the connotations that it once did. I think that we've evolved um in terms of sanitation and operations and the type
of clientele that we would attract. And um the way we're positioning this business would be to attract um people who look for a higher quality of service than that's provided in any other town in this area.
>> Where's the nearest? >> Uh the nearest one would be Ramsey, New Jersey. >> How is their operation different from what you want to do? um they're less focused on the community aspect. Um um they're not really focused
on arts. Um they're more focused on just service, you know, tattooing and uh piercing. >> Do you intend your team to do piercing as well? >> No. How is
how is letting a prohibited use a benefit to the community as a whole? >> I think that uh this use just really broadens kind of like the lifestyle and just the
overall community culture, the arts. Um, I don't think there there's much in the way of that. Um, when it comes to the variety that local businesses have in the town, >> it'll also give, you know, local artists another outlet that they normally would
not have as there's no gallery or anything like that. You kind of have to go much to more towards New York City to be able to get that kind of exposure. as little as that may be. >> Thank you. >> Take questions from the board. Joe, do
you want to start? >> U start by asking our zoning officer. If the tattoo parlor wasn't part of the application, it was simply an art gallery. Is there a use required? >> No. >> So, I don't I don't understand why we're
talking about an art gallery if it's not a use required. Uh council, you mentioned parking the uh 200 square foot per vehicle for 800 square feet in four spots. You stated they could easily park
off street, but the uh statute states specifically the parking is supposed to be off street, not on street. So parking on F Street wouldn't meet that criteria. >> Uh I I can definitely see your issue with that, but I I I think that's a
that's a situation where um you know I there's the right aid that is has nothing there right now. Um, and I don't know if we can talk to anyone in the town to have any type of space there, um, or anything like that, but I believe that, you know, as as it would fit within the, and I understand what you're saying about it was fit within the
hours, and it's not going to be any type of violation. I do understand what you're saying, but there's really no parking on that side except for behind the buildings on the south side of the street, which is designated, I believe, for a loading and for right aid on that side. But I don't see right or that anything like that there anymore. I'm
not sure if the bureau has any plans of putting anything else in there anytime soon. Um, but I I think that we would be able to figure that out if that is if this that does not certify as as you're stating. >> I'm sorry, say that last part again. >> I I think we'd be try to be able to
figure something out if depending on what happens with Wraid. Um, depending on what happens with that area because there's a very large parking lot right on the opposite side of the street. >> I would say you should have that figured out before we were hearing tonight. Again, I wanted to simply address you
stated that the four spot could be met by parking on project. >> Well, that's what the >> it can be according to the statute. That's all I wanted to point out. >> Okay. Well, the operating um barber shop there uses that as well. So, I'm not sure that
that's what we were going on essentially. And another an average tattoo I understand, you know, you could have a full sleeve, you could have a tiny little butterfly on an ankle, but average tattoo, what's the length of time to complete an average tattoo?
>> Usually about like two hours. >> Thank you. >> Do you have any questions? >> Uh, yeah. So, you've talked about the hours that the tattoo parlor would be operating. What about the art gallery? like how long would the business be open?
>> Uh so the gallery would be open on uh Saturdays and Sundays. Um so Saturday evenings uh the uh the tattoo shop would be closed by 400 p.m. We would take approximately an hour to set up the gallery space and then we'd be open for
3 hours. So uh so it would be like a 5 to 8 uh p.m. sort of a situation. And then for Sundays, it would just be varying. We wouldn't be open past 5:00 pm. Um, so somewhere along the lines of like 1 pm to 5:00 pm. Will the the space
be repurposed? Like there'll be physical configuration changes to separate the art gallery time from the tattooing time. No, there's going to I mean when you say physical separation, >> I mean you said you take time to to sort
of reset into the >> Yeah, just make sure that all um all all tools, you know, everything is kind of put away and locked away. Uh so there's no access to uh patrons or like people who are coming to view the gallery
space. Um yeah, we just want to make sure that it's a clear, clean space for people to walk around. Okay, >> no problem. >> So, this this is a separate space from your barber shop or it's in the same building. >> It's in the same building, but separate
space. >> Separate. >> And then the barber shop in the proposed area is actually connected by a walkway by a small like just walk through with no door on it. So, it could be easily just closed off and separated. >> So, the whole space you're using is a
barber shop right now. Yes, it's uh currently we just use it as kind of just like a glorified waiting area. It it really doesn't have and serve any purpose for us right now, which is uh part of the reason why we're trying to make good use of it.
>> That's the only question I have. >> No, >> can you define for me what a high-end boutique tattoo parlor is versus a normal tattoo parlor? I would say the the difference would be uh our approach to service uh
how we handle uh customer relations. Um the the caliber of artists that we do um seek and uh that would generally be the difference between you know say a shop that might be a little bit more on like
the lower end versus us that would be more of like a boutique like higherend uh sort of a shop. Would you turn away clientele? >> I mean, it depends on the circumstances, but you know, yeah, it I mean, we would
turn away clientele based off of uh I mean, there's could be so many reasons. Um, you know, whether they may be intoxicated or smell like they're intoxicated or, you know, whether they may be asking for something that, you know, we just can't simply can't
provide. Um, yeah. I mean, I could see that happening. >> Um, hi Adam. Um, I'm used to looking at Ed's uh Sherman's drawings, but I'm not I'm confused. The doorway
that looks like it separates or, you know, combines both the barber shop and the waiting area. Is that closing? Okay. >> Yeah, we'll be >> there's only one entrance to the proposed shop and one entrance to the
barber shop there now, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Um, you know, um I'm familiar with your barber shop and um for what it's worth, you run a fantastic business there. >> Thank you.
>> You're a dedicated W businessman. Um and I have no reason to believe that you run the proposed tattoo power in the same fashion. >> Thank you, sir. >> No more questions. >> No questions.
>> What's the name of the current business location? >> It's currently my business. Veryl Barber and Shop. >> Say it again. >> Uh Veral Barber Shop. >> Val. >> Oh, Viral. Uh, V I R I L E. >> Oh, beautiful.
>> I mumble. I'm sorry. >> Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> Uh, somebody asked about what is a high-end tattoo parlor. >> Why is it? >> I think it's
>> You said it was a level of clientele. I think it's a level of clientele and and but more so our approach to customer service and how we handle our clientele. Um you know >> meaning expensive
>> high and yeah I mean uh our artists will definitely be at a premium uh because of the caliber of artists that we plan to attract. >> We will only have two artists uh working out of that location um in the drawings. They're going to be parallel to each
other and um and yeah, it's a >> Will you own both businesses? >> Yes, sir. >> So, they rent or buy chairs, if you will. >> They'd be working on a commissionbased salary. >> You won't know anything about their
customers or how they get clients. Um, I mean, >> all you're interested in is the >> Yeah, I think the way that uh that it would work would be, you know, when we advertise, usually we'd advertise on
like Instagram or Facebook, you know, try and use Meta and, you know, we would have targeted demographics and Google Adwords and that's where we would really pull. So, we would probably target more so this area. >> When you say we, you mean you and the other artists?
>> Yes. the tattoo artist. >> Yes, sir. >> If you're already dividing the building to and for >> into this proposal,
where is the artistry going to be taking place? >> It would take place on the Fort Frederick Street side. So, >> yeah, where the uh tattoo shop would be held. Um,
>> motorcycle. >> Oh, you remember that? It was a nice one, >> right? Does this show this seating or where they do their work? >> So each artist may want to each tattoo
artist may want to use their space conveniently. Meanwhile, they share the sink if they need it. >> Mhm. >> And uh who uses the bathroom? Everyone in the building. Uh, everyone on that
side of the >> side. >> Yes. >> And is there a Oh, I see. Utilize the entrances in the building. >> Will there be a receptionist to handle? >> Yes, there would be a receptionist.
>> Receptionist. >> Uh, the receptionist would uh stay like towards the front uh of the uh building. >> Will they accept your clients, the people who need Oh, >> for the barber shop. No, we'll have a
separate uh >> Yeah, because we're going to be dividing the space because right now there is an opening so that people could walk from one side to another and we're going to have to close that off. >> Okay, >> no problem.
Any more questions for Mr. Ramos? Mr. Cooper, if you'd like to call your next witness. >> Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Mr. Michael Corker, our certified master planner, to come up here and uh give us some words on this application
as well. Good evening. >> Good evening, Mr. Crawford. Nice to see you again. >> Nice to see you. >> You swear testimony you're about to get to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So, if you got it, >> I do. >> State your name, spell your last. >> Certainly. Michael D. Cocker. K A K E R
is the last name. And my business address is 356 Franklin Avenue, Whiteoff, New Jersey. Okay. And if you could give us the benefit of your education and experience just because we have a lot of new members on the board. >> I'd be pleased to. Um I'm a licensed professional planner in the state of New
Jersey. I'm also a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners. Uh I'm employed um with my own firm, Cocker and Cocker. Um I've been employed in the field of planning since 1997, licensed since 2001. Um, I serve
as a consultant to various planning and zoning boards throughout New Jersey as well as New York State. Uh, I've qualified as an expert witness before numerous planning boards, zoning board superior court in Bergen County. Um, and in terms of my educational background, I have a BA in political science from
Arizona State University and I have a master of urban planning from Hunter College in New York City. I've appeared before this board previously, but I was looking back and it's been about 20 years. It has been. >> Please have a seat. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Singer. Uh, Mr. Corker, can you elaborate on the proposed application and your analysis of the same for us, please? >> Certainly. Um, just briefly in in preparation for my testimony this evening, I did have an opportunity to review the plan, the architectural floor
plan that was submitted. Um, I also >> Sorry, could you move that microphone closer to >> Yeah, not a problem. Is it on? >> Yes. Okay. So, as I mentioned, I had an opportunity to um review the plans that were submitted to the board. I had an
opportunity to review the master plan, the zoning ordinance of the Burough of Waldwick, uh the reports from your professionals. Uh I had an opportunity to go out to the subject property. Um as a matter of fact, I also do get my haircut at that location. Um not from
Mr. Ramos, but from another individual that works there. So, I've been there many, many times. I'm very familiar with with the building itself. Um so essentially we're here this evening as was explained. We're we're seeking what's known as a D1 use variance. Um
I'm going to go over that in in a bit. But what we're proposing is to convert that existing space um that's currently used as a waiting room for the barber shop uh into a a kind of a hybrid combination use that is the uh boutique
uh tattoo parlor. um in addition to the gallery that was described by Mr. Ramos and and very briefly if I could approach the deis I do have some exhibits that I would like to hand out. >> Certainly. >> Thank you. >> Would you guys like one? Sure.
You're welcome. Sure. >> I think I know. So I'll describe the exhibits. The exhibit >> uh do you want to mark this exhibit A1? >> Sure. >> Okay. A1. Today is still the 25th, right?
>> Yes. >> Okay. The exhibit consists of three pages. Um so the first page uh is an aerial photograph and that's taken from a service called Near Map. Uh Near Map's a little bit different than Google Maps and other mapping services because it
provides um aerial photographs like three to four times uh per year. Um this photograph um was taken on July 16th, 2025. Uh there was a ladder photo photo taken in October. The reason why I utilized this one was because it does show
vehicles on the street. So you can kind of get a sense of how many vehicles parked there and I will talk about that a little bit more in depth. Um the second page is a drone aerial photograph and that was taken by myself uh back in September
4th of 2025 and you can see um the side of the building that fronts on Frederick Street. Um you can see the red door that's where the barber shop is. Uh and then the door next to it is the door that will provide entrance to uh the
tattoo parlor as well as the gallery. Um you can see on when you're looking further to the left along Franklin Turnpike, there's a delicate tessan that's located in the corner. Uh and in addition to that, then there's a collectible antique store that's located
adjacent to that. So point being what I wanted to make with respect to this is that there are historically there have always been four commercial tenants that have been located in this building. Um the barber shop currently occupies two of those spaces. Um but hopefully if the
board looks favorably on this application it would go back to four tenants and this has existed in this condition for for many many years. Uh on the second floor it's my understanding that there are two residential apartment units. Um, and if you can, I don't really show the parking lot to the right
of the building, but you can kind of see that white truck parked there. Uh, it's my understanding that there are two to three parking spaces in that area, but that those are reserved for the residential tenants of the building. Um, the photographs that are on the third
page were taken by myself and those are of the interior of the building that's currently occupied and utilized as the waiting room for the barber shop. And this is the space that's going to be converted into the proposed um mix of uses. So the first picture on the left
hand side is is looking kind of toward the back from the from the front door. Um and you can see that door opening that leads to the barberh shop. That's going to be closed off. Um the picture on the right is just another angle looking toward the right side of the
room. And then the picture on the bottom is standing at the back of the space looking forward to the front window and the front door just to kind of get a perspective um of of the the building itself. And you can I I think one thing that you can
see from this is that the place is immaculate in terms of how it looks and I think that Mr. Ramos is going to continue this forward um to his uh you know to the proposed tattoo parlor gallery as well. Um, so
with respect to the parking that's currently provided on street, uh, it it's my estimate that Frederick Street can probably accommodate about 12 to 15 vehicles. Um, and one thing I just did want to also talk about is the fact that
uh, you know, this is an existing use. There obviously really isn't any parking for the commercial tenants of the building. Um, so they all have to rely on parking on Frederick Street as well. um and other areas. I'm assuming that probably some of the commercial tenants park over in the right aid parking lot
at this point and as in time as well. Um so just to kind of give the the board that kind of um ballpark figure in terms of the parking that could be provided on the street. If you look at the aerial photograph, there are 1 2 3 4 5 6 seven vehicles that are parked and then you
can see there's clearly some additional room to provide additional parking spaces. One of the other thing from a parking standpoint, um, as Mr. Ramos testified to, each of the individuals, it takes approximately two hours for a tattoo.
Uh, that's what the process is. So, you're you're going to have a limited number of people. It's really a low intense type of use. The the tattoo parlor, it's it's not something that's high volume. Um, you know, the barber shop itself too is probably a little bit more higher volume, but again, it's, you
know, typically it takes about a half hour. Um, and when I've been there, um, I don't know what your experience is, but they're typically maybe two people, um, in the barber shop at that time. So, point being, it it's not a very high intense use.
Um, with respect to the surrounding conditions, um, the property is located in an area along Franklin Turnpike. It's the primary commercial corridor in the burrow of >> Waldwick. Um, it's adjacent to that vacant
rightaid property. Uh, borders the property to the south. There's the the building in the large parking area. Um, as a matter of fact, the first time that I went to get a haircut here, I actually parked in that parking lot, not knowing, you know, but in any event, now I park along Prospect Street. And again,
there's really never any issue finding parking there. Um, commercial uses are located to the north, south, and east along Franklin Turnpike. Um, as well as Prospect Street, which is also located to the south of the subject property. Um, and if you can see to the left hand
side or the west, there are it turns into a residential type neighborhood. There's smaller single family homes located to the west of the subject property, but from a planning standpoint, I would characterize this as a commercial area. Um, we've gone over
the proposed development. I won't go into detail about that. I think Mr. Ramos covered everything um in in in a lot of detail. Um, but if the board has any additional questions of me, I'd be happy to answer those. Um, so one of the
things I wanted to talk about was, you know, obviously we're aware of the fact that this is a specifically prohibited use. Um, we're requesting a D1 use fence. Um, we're required to show um what's known as the positive and the
negative criteria of the statute for in order for the board to grant a D1 use variance. I just wanted to talk about the evolution of tattoo parlors a little bit. Um so tattoo parlors were historically prohibited um in in many ordinances and that's primarily because
they were all once viewed as less conventional type uses um and they were sometimes associated with risks in terms of health safety and image concerns as well. Um basically these historical concerns have
changed. So, the use has evolved from what it once was, even the public perception, to what it is currently. Uh, modern tattoo parers are now highly regulated. Um, they're sanitary and they're professional businesses that are subject to health standards, licensing,
and inspection by the state. And as Mr. Ramos mentioned, they do have a license for this facility as well. Um, as I briefly mentioned, social and commercial perceptions regarding uh, tattoo parlor have evolved. Uh, and tattoo parlor are now widely accepted as
a legitimate form of personal service uh, and artistic expression as well. And having said that, I think that that's a nice kind of symbiotic relationship between the uses that we're proposing in terms of the tattoo parlor and also the art gallery. So there's art artist, you
know, artistic expression involved in both of those. You know, you could argue that, you know, the ta the tattoo artist um it's art and it's just on a different form than obviously someone who works on a painting on a piece of paper or a
board or st you know clay or whatever it might be. Um, a tattoo parlor, as I mentioned before, also operates like other lowintensity personal service uses uh and businesses that are also commonly permitted in
commercial zones in including your own commercial zone. It's comparable to barber shops, which it's going to be located immediately adjacent to. Uh, your ordinance also permits hairdressers, nail salons, tanning salons, and similar service uses. Uh and I would submit to the board because this
is also an appointment-based customerfocused uh type of use generates limited noise, traffic and other in external impacts. I think that it fits in well with those other personal service type uses. Um,
so ultimately from a planning standpoint, I believe that the use itself reflects the modern evolution of commercial and personal service type uses and is compatible with the uses in the C1 district itself.
As I mentioned before, I had an opportunity to review the master plan. Um, your last master plan document was prepared in 2018. Um the use itself is not specifically referenced in the document and your planner had noted that as well in their
memorandum. Um I would submit to the board that it's a primary objective of the burrow from my review of that plan and it's also identified in your burough planners uh review to reinforce its economic base by encouraging businesses including service
uses to occupy appropriate locations in the in in the burough of Wallwick. Um, it's my opinion that this proposed use is one that is appropriate for this specific location and within the C1 district.
In terms of the zoning ordinance regulations, I went over those briefly, but the property itself is located in the C1, which is known as the village commercial district. I went over the list of permitted personal service uses. One other thing I would also like to highlight that schools for art, music
and dance are also permitted which kind of carries forward that kind of artistic framework of what we're doing here and what is permitted in the zone. So as I mentioned before although we're not a specifically permitted use and we're actually prohibited with respect to the
tattoo parlor itself um we require a D1 use fence. Um, so at this time I'm going to go through the proofs, um, that the board would need to consider for a D1 use variance. As I mentioned before, uh, the applicant must make an affirmative showing of what's known as the positive
and the negative criteria. The positive criteria states that a variance can only be granted in particular cases and for special reasons. The negative criteria consists of two parts. The applicant must show that there will not be a substantial detriment to the public good
uh namely the surrounding area. And the second part, the applicant must show that there will not be a substantial impairment and I emphasize the word substantial to the master plan or the zoning ordinance. It's my opinion that this site
meets the purposes of zoning and that this particular site is particularly well suited for the proposed use and meets the positive criteria for the following reasons. Uh number one, the site is fully improved with an existing building that can adequately accommodate
the proposed use. The subject property's location within the C1 district in proximity to other similar personal service uses uh makes it an appropriate location for the proposed use as well. Uh number three, the surrounding mix of
commercial and service uses create a compatible environment for the use to operate. Uh number four, the building layout and exist and existing tenant configuration are well suited to accommodate the smallcale uh personal
service tattoo parlor as well as the art gallery use. Uh and again as we noted there's no need for substantial modifications, just minor interior al modifications to accommodate the use. Um, the proposed use will support the continued occupancy
and economic viability of the existing commercial building and the proposed tattoo parlor represents a modern personal service that complements the evolving character of the neighborhood commercial uses in the area.
Uh in addition, I would submit to the board that we further other purposes of zoning as contained in the municipal land use law, namely purpose A, which deals with promotion of the general welfare. The proposed development would promote the public good through the
adaptive reuse of existing space in an existing building and also by providing a legitimate regulated business that serves a growing demand in the community and ensures public health safety through compliance with licensing and sterilization
practices as well. And then also purpose G to provide sufficient space and appropriate locations for a variety of uses. As mentioned, the use will occupy an existing tenant space uh promoting efficient use of an already developed
property without intensifying the use beyond what the site can support. Now, moving on to the negative criteria. It's my opinion that we do meet the first part of the negative criteria. Then there'll be no substantial detriment to the public good. The
operation will comply with all health and safety regulations as mentioned. Uh the applicant has experience in the industry and will maintain a professional and respectful business environment. There'll be no excessive noise, odor, or traffic. Uh and the use
would be contained entirely within the building. So from the street, you would not know what's going on inside of the building. And then with respect to any impairment to the intent and purpose of the master plan and zoning ordinance, I would submit to the board the following.
Tattoo pers are increasingly recognized as mainstream and regulated business services and not inherently incompatible with local zoning goals. Um so therefore it's my opinion the proposal does not impair the bureau's master plan. Uh the
proposed use also does not conflict with the goals and objectives of that plan itself. When considering a D1 use fence, the applicant must also make a final showing of what's known as the Mediche, enhanced quality of proof. So essentially, we
must reconcile the omission of this use from the zoning ordinance itself. It's my opinion that because of the changing nature of the tattoo parlor, that change is something that can in in of itself substantiate and reconcile
that difference. But in addition to that, it's similar in character, as I've mentioned, to other personal service and arts related uses that are permitted in the zone. And as I mentioned before, and I'll say it one more time, tattoo parlors are now highly regulated. And I
think that's something that's very important to consider. When your ordinance was crafted initially, these type of uses were not highly regulated. I mean, I remember back when I started, there were certain type of uses that were just frowned upon. tattoo parlors, billiard halls,
they're all over the place now. Um, in addition to Ramsey, I believe there's one in Glenrock, there's one in Westwood, um, and I believe there might be one in Rididgewood as well. Um, so for those reasons, I do believe that the applicant meets the Meduche enhanced
quality of proof. And in closing, I would submit to the board that I do believe that the applicant meets the positive criteria uh satisfies the negative criteria and I do believe that the positive criteria in this case outweigh the negative criteria
and I do believe that the board can feel confident in granting the requested use variance. And with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions. I thank you. >> Charity start have any questions. Sure. >> You stated tattoo parlors are recognized
as mainstream. Who who makes that recognition? >> Well, I I think number one, the perception, I mean, is a lot different than it was 20 to 30 to 40 years ago. I do see tattoo callers um you know, in different communities. I I mean, in
addition to that, there are tattoo TV shows. Um so, that also brings it kind of into the mainstream. You know, it's something basically that is more widely accepted than it used to be. And again, that primary relates to the fact that it is significantly regulated at this point
in time as well. And those health and safety concerns that were once present are not there. >> How much time did you spend studying the businesses in the area? >> You mean in terms of the surrounding conditions? >> Surrounding businesses on that block?
Yeah, I as I mentioned, I've been to that location a number of times over the last three years and I did have an opportunity to walk around, look at those uses as well. >> The reason I ask is the deli on the corner is highly patronized by the high school students.
>> Okay. >> Highly patronized. You stated 12 to 15 vehicles might be able to park on Frederick Street. >> Yeah, about probably I'd say more about 12 vehicles. Is that factoring in the development that's going to be going on around the corner where several driveways will be going out onto F
Frederick Street at some point? >> Uh where where is that development? Is it on this portion of block of Frederick Street or is it on another block? >> Basically west of the parking lot. >> So where these homes are >> right right off to right eight.
>> Yeah. Right there. >> This one. Yeah. >> So So there's going to be there's an existing driveway there. I I'm not sure of what is going to be there. >> Those homes will be demolished and you'll you'll have several town homes that will face Frederick.
>> Okay. >> Um >> turning onto Harrison Avenue and continuing on to West Prospect. >> So it's a so so they're basically developing I guess it's Harrison this is Harrison Avenue. >> Correct. The whole corner >> these three properties and continue on.
>> Correct. Then it's going to stretch over >> and they're going to be oriented toward Frederick and not Harrison. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. >> No, they're oriented towards Harrison. >> Okay. It's going to stretch. We're going to have this home is going to be decked. There will be town homes starting from here facing this direction. Townhouse
this way and it'll come from here. >> Okay. Interesting. I mean, it I'm not aware of it. I didn't have an opportunity to look at it, but I would think you could maybe fit one or two town homes oriented toward Frederick Street at best. Um I I don't know what the parking configuration is going to be
like. Um having said that, you do have a drive with it. It exists there now. So you could probably park only three vehicles in that location. >> You referenced our planners memorandum or report dated March 16. >> Yes.
So they they quote the MLUL that the variance may be granted only in particular cases for special reasons. >> That is correct. >> Special reasons for use variance may include that the use is inherently beneficial. >> How would this be considered inherently beneficial? It
>> it's not and you don't have to make that showing that it is if a use that is one of the justifications like for a use like a hospital, a church, you could make a claim that the use is inherently beneficial. then there's a different kind of testimony that would need to be provided and a test that would need to
be evaluated. But you don't have to show that the use is inherently beneficial. That's just one of the things you could show. >> So says that there's a hardship precluding the site from being developed for permitted use. It already is developed for permitted use. >> Right. >> And then the site is particularly suited for the use as to promote the general
welfare. >> Correct. And that's the testimony that was provided that the use is particularly suited for the proposed use. It meets the general welfare. How does that business occupy promote general welfare? >> As I mentioned in my testimony, for a number of reasons. The adaptive reuse of
space in an existing building. >> The positive criteria. >> The positive criteria. Correct. Correct. >> I would say I would agree that it's not a detriment to the public good, but uh to me it wouldn't seem to be an impairment to our zoning ordinance that
specifically prohibits it. you concentrated on the word substantial. I don't know if you want to talk about that a little bit more. >> Well, yeah. Again, that's the reason why we're we're requesting a use variance. And again, that's basically why I talked about the change in the evolution of the use. So, when the ordinance was drafted
initially, um this was a use that did not most likely have those safeguards in place. So, I think the evolution is something that when I talked about the met enhanced quality of proof is something that reconciled that So, I mean, if we think about it, it if
you if what it boils down to is when you look at this type of use, what is it? What do they do? They provide a service. It's a personal service. It really is like a barber shop. Um, you know, it it there's really no difference. It's personal service.
>> There's a significant difference is that a barber shop's permitted a tattoo. >> Well, right, but I'm talking about the the two uses. >> I understand what you're saying. >> Yeah. I have nothing else at the moment. >> Thank you. >> Uh so you mentioned um you know an
increasing demand for the service right and providing this to the public but do you uh do you have anything towards that that you could share with us as far as >> I I don't have any documentation just from my discussions with with Mr. Ramos and and just from my general
observations. Um I I know that historically I have in my firm has w worked on a number of tattoo parallers. Um you know not not in the recent years but that could be primarily because maybe they're permitted in a number of locations now. Uh I know there's one in Ramsey. I I live in Ma. I work in
Whiteoff so I drive down Main Street Ramsey every day. I see that and that's existed for maybe I don't know maybe five six years. Um, you know, so I I I think that, you know, obviously in I could just from visualization I see a
lot more people who have tattoos now than did previously, you know. So for my own general observation, you know, on TV, people I see in public. So I I would say that there is yes, a greater demand for tattoos at this point in time. Um,
and um, I don't know who the correct person to address this question to is, but if someone is able to speak to it, do we know uh, is this explicitly uh, prohibited use uh, in neighboring towns? So,
>> I didn't look at that. Um, but I I mean I I couldn't say for sure. I I can tell you one thing. There are a lot of ordinances that are somewhat outdated. I know I work in a number of communities myself that still have, you know, certain uses that are prohibited or not permitted. I mean, I
know that assisted living uses, although we they weren't specifically prohibited, um they were not permitted because I know we did a lot of work in D1 use variances for those type of uses. Uh drive-through facilities were ones that were historically not permitted. um you know, but typically communities it's not
a priority to update the ordinances to reflect those things because obviously they have other things that they need to take care of and I can say this as a planner working for a number of municipalities. >> Question for Joe. >> The vape shop on East Prospect,
>> did they come before the zoning board? They did >> and they were approved obviously to >> Yes. Yes. >> But that was a prohibited use when they were applying. >> Correct. Yes. And in all fairness, I will tell you since they were approved, I have never received a complaint about
that particular area. I know that was a hot topic when they did come in front of the board for many, you know, obvious reasons. Um, but they've been a good neighbor. No issues. Uh in reference to some of the parking situation, you know,
we have a lot of businesses literally right smack around us that rely strictly on off- streetet parking. They don't have parking for the particular businesses. Um, right. It's been a great neighbor for the, you know, flowing of a
lot of those people utilizing the parking lot to to go to those businesses and patronize those businesses. Uh, and this particular location is not any different than Natal Pizza and all the other places.
Just my two cents. >> Thank you, Joe. How many employees does the barber shop have? >> Um, I believe four. >> I know there's Mr. Ramos that cuts hair.
There's Sarah that cuts my hair. Um, and then there are two others that I'm aware of. Is it >> Jim? And >> just four. >> Yeah. And then can't remember the other guy's name, but he's actually in the picture.
sitting on the bench. >> Where do those people park? >> I'd have to defer to Mr. Ramos. >> Yeah, they they usually some of them park at Raid and some of them park on the street. It's usually split.
>> And how many people in the tattoo studio proposing the work? >> Uh, two. >> So, you're going to have six people that are going to need to find apartment. >> Yes, sir. And you really you can't count on writing, right? That parking lot's another establishment.
>> Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure if we can uh for sure. >> You have to get permission from the owner there, I suppose. Yes. >> And and how many how many square feet is the barber shop and the tattoo park? >> Uh they're both 800 square ft. >> So 1,600 square f feet.
>> Yes, sir. One thing I could just add to that, I do know that the barber shop, every time I go there, all four barbers are not there at the same time. It's typically two of them that are there. >> Okay. Well, you're going to increase the the
necessity for parking. And according to what I see in the March 13th letter, you need one off-c street parking spot for every 200 square foot of of service establishment. >> That is correct. As I pointed out, this is an existing condition though and it's
something that's existed for many years. So with respect to the parking calculation, it is based upon square footage. So the square footage is not increasing. So therefore the ultimate part and demand is not increasing. >> And what about I what type of signage
are you proposing? >> That I would defer to Mr. Ramos uh signage. Sorry, could you repeat that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you if you look at the existing picture, the existing sign for the
barber shop is is is quite small and not obtrusive. So, I'm sure it'll be something similar to that. >> And there's no other improvements proposed for the the exterior building? >> No. Okay, I have no other questions.
>> So, regard let's get back to the parking. So, you go get a haircut, takes 15 minutes, half an hour. So, these are transitory, you know, >> turnover. You're not there for >> parking cars being able to all get your haircut at the same time.
>> Right. >> Right. So then it works out pretty good to date. Correct. >> Yes. >> I imagine similarly with the tattoo now it's going to take longer. You said it's average two hours, but it's still not an 8 hour shift. >> Correct.
>> Where the car is going to be there. Okay. >> Um Joe, I'm glad you brought up the uh well glad you brought up the uh the vape shop. uh because that is just as prohibited as
a tattoo power and we granted that and there's been no issue with it to date. Uh personally I wasn't thrilled about that but seemed to work out fine. Um just want to state again that I do know
people that go to Adam's barber shop and um they have nothing but good things to say about the way he runs his business. And if he runs his business same way he's going to, you know, oversee or run the tattoo place, I'd have no issue with this. >> Ted,
>> uh, yes. Uh, you brought up uh the plan concerning the stations for the tattoo people. Uh, and in reference to the pictures that we've just received >> Mhm. >> Uh, does you plan on constructing
another partition? >> Well, the door that you see in the photograph now. >> I'm not talking about the door. >> Okay. >> I'm talking about a what I would refer to as a knee wall. >> Oh, like >> which is not a completely to the ceiling wall.
>> Uh, do you plan on constructing that with the appropriate permits or whatever is required? >> Yeah. Again, I would defer to Mr. Ramos for that question. >> Okay. Well, the picture came up when you >> Yes. >> gave it to me. >> Yeah. The This is the existing existing condition.
>> Yes. I Which is a petition right behind the receptionist? >> Yes, I see that. >> That's what's there. When you go to the other photo, there would be another petition required. >> No. Uh wouldn't be planning on creating
uh another partition. It would be an open floor plan. However, um you know, for the sake of discretion of a clientele, there will be a curtain uh that's closer to the uh last station, the second station on the architectural drawings. >> Mhm.
>> Uh so that that person can have privacy if they ask for privacy. >> Depending upon what part of the body they were being having tattooed. >> Exactly. >> I understand that. I I I raised because your drawing shows a partition here
between the two stations. That's why I asked. Okay, >> that's correct. >> Okay, now uh we already brought it up as the uh the signage which is going to be on the awning. Uh okay. Now, just so you
know, I go to the deli that's on the corner and for the longest time, the I guess I'm asking you to paint the yellow curb that is very worn out.
>> Okay. >> Okay. It's very worn out. And I would ask you to in your process to refresh the yellow paint. >> You got it. >> Okay. Now you may ask Joe how far you have to have it done.
>> Okay. So please accommodate that. >> I will do that. >> Okay. >> And Joe will tell you to seek the fire uh uh department >> and Joe will shove it over to the fire department. >> Okay. Now I guess you know that if you
go to the library in the gallery, it shows a picture of a beauty parlor that was there many years ago. Yes. >> And it's very interesting in the library. Uh now, just so you know, a number of years ago,
I had requested that the recycle center in town be open on a Sunday. And I was told by the mayor, we have to have a day of rest, which brought in my mind a biblical prohibition to work on a day of rest.
Uh, do you know there's also a biblical pro prohibition for tattoos? >> No, I wasn't aware. >> Okay. Well, just just so you know, there is. >> Okay. >> Okay. And uh how can I say I realize it
does not affect municipal law because there's a separation of church and state in this country. Okay. And I respect that. But just to give you an idea of maybe some of the ideas that have been expressed previously at the burough council meetings. Thank you for
listening. >> Thank you. >> Stan, do you have any other comments? I do understand forget >> I don't get that. Yes. A question to Joe if you don't mind. The parking spaces
that are there now next to the building, >> were they uh prescribed, if you will, for the tenants upstairs or were they put there for the buildings,
the businesses downstairs? I think my understanding that a couple of those parking spaces right after Adam's uh business, I think they belong to the residents upstairs, but I'm not sure. They've been there for such a long time. I've been here 25
years and it's always been this way. Uh and I don't have any record whether they were strictly stipulated for the residents or anybody else. My understanding is that the residents parked there. Okay, that's the practical and the
>> correct now, >> right? Uh if a new business is going in that's never been there before because of our statutes, >> would that trigger
a rethinking of the necessary parking for a retail business or service? I think we used to have a a a requirement where any business that came into Waldwick or even relocated within Waldwick
>> uh they would have to come in front of planning board for site tenant review. A couple years ago we have uh amended that to somewhat be more businessfriendly where a lot of the uses let's say that are very similar that are permitted are now reviewed by me within the building
department as the zoning officer. uh I also have the discretion to place that business or have that business come in front of the planning board if I feel that it's a little unusual that would have to be overseen by more people than just myself. But in
this particular case, any business that let's say is permitted use within C1 zone, I would deem it to approve it based on a history where even though they don't they would require a certain number of parking spaces, but because
the business has been there for such a long time and I would grant the approval because it's strictly off streetet parking. I can't punish somebody new coming into an existing building if there are no parking spaces. Okay. Otherwise, we'd have an awful lot of
empty spaces. >> Empty building. >> An empty building. Correct. Empty tenencies. >> That brought up my next thought. How long has that space next door been empty? >> It's not empty.
>> It's not It's not >> You've been paying rent for two places. >> That's >> part of each separate addresses, two and four. >> Yes. >> So, you've been renting two stores. >> Yeah. Which is
>> And now you want to move or expand your business as an owner? >> Exactly. Yes, sir. >> And you'll accept the limitations on parking. >> Yeah. >> Okay, that's it.
Mr. Cocker. >> Yes, sir. >> Why do we bother with zoning ordinances? >> Pardon me? >> You're a planner. Why do we bother with zoning ordinances? >> Zoning? Well, to regulate the use of land within a community
>> and if we simply grant variances willy-nilly. >> No. >> The same as not having a zoning ordinance? >> No. That's why the municipal land use law provides the mechanism to grant a variance and why we have to come before the board present the required proofs to
support the grant of a variance. >> Isn't it supposed to it's supposed to be the exception rather than the rule. >> Correct. And so in the in the um scheme of zoning regulation,
if a use is not specifically permitted, what is the general rule? >> If a uses any use that's not permitted, you were required to get if you want to you know use if you want that use to exist, you need have in a sense three
levels. Permitted use a use as to which the code is silent and then a specifically prohibited use. >> Well, they're all it basically the way the municipal land use law is written is it's a use that's not permitted. So a
prohibited use is a use that is not permitted. So the same criteria would apply to a use whether it's silent or whether it's prohibited in in an ordinance. Okay. I was I was listening to the testimony and
everybody keeps saying there's barber shop tattoo parlor. What's the difference? The difference is when I get a haircut, if I don't like what he did, seven, eight weeks, maybe longer at this
age, I'm not gonna be stuck with it. If on my arm instead of born to lose, it says born to loose. I'm stuck with that sucker, right?
As um the poet said, it's a permanent reminder of a temporary feeling. >> Isn't that isn't that a fundamental difference in that particular type of service? I >> I think generically they operate the same. I mean there obviously if you look
at the list of permitted uses I mean you have a tanning salon, a nail salon um you know but you know so I think generically they're the same in terms of the personal service use whether or not the individual you know has you know
whether or not later they have remorse and say I shouldn't have got the tattoo. >> Um maybe they'll get it covered. Uh I do know because when I go to my dermatologist I see advertisements for laser removal of tattoos. So you can get those removed >> right on right on 17. >> Yeah. So you can get them removed at
this point. So >> um actually the space that's the vape shop >> Yeah. >> that used to be the music studio and the guy who owned it was a friend of mine and he was going through having a whole bunch of tattoos removed. >> Mhm. >> And he was not happy about the
procedure. >> Yeah. I I think it's a personal choice, you know. I have to admit I do find that there's a difference between something that is permanent and something that is temporary. Every one of the uses that you cited is a use where
the result is temporary. Whether it's a nail salon, a tanning studio, um a beauty salon, a barber shop, none of them are effectuating a permanent change. And so I think there's some
some basis for treating it differently. But then again, I'm not here to decide this. Vape is actually much worse. >> And and just for the record, isn't the vape shop much worse and a much more permanent thing than a haircut as well?
Because when you take the hit of a vape, it stays in your lungs, messes with your body, it's been known to cause strokes, heart attacks, things of that nature, and that was approved. >> Seems to be a little more permanent. >> I mean, if you're going to compare the two uses, I would sub substantially say that a vape shop is probably worse than
a tattoo parlor. >> I mean, I'm aware I'm aware, Mr. Cooper, we can play this game, >> but the simple truth is you don't go into a vape shop to effectuate a permanent change to your body. >> Well, you could though. I think it it is a it is a possibility. There's no
question. But that if I get a tattoo, that's firm. Period. End the story. I'm effectuating a change. If I take a couple of hits on a vape, maybe it's maybe it does something to
me, maybe it doesn't. >> Surgeon General's warning as well on the vape box. for every vape in the country. >> It's a little bit >> I I I I understand the the point that you're making. Um but I don't think that that inherently changes the general
nature of the use whether it's temporary or permanent. Um you know, and again tattoos can be removed as well. So it I mean I think someone who gets one or two tattoos and ultimately one day wants to get them removed could get those removed. I think if somebody has
multiple tattoos, you know, you see some people with their whole arm tattooed. >> Um, I don't think those individuals are going to one day wake up and say, "I wish I never got the tattoo." I mean, at that point, I think it's something that >> Pete Davis comedian comedian
>> very good point of tattoos. >> Didn't know that. And >> where did it go to get removed? A tattoo. >> Really? There you go. Full circle. >> That's an advertisement marketing for them. Do you have any
other than personal observation, do you have anything you rely on to substantiate the idea that tattoos are becoming more mainstream or is it just personal observation? Well, it it's
personal observation and it's also just in terms of what I've seen from the number of tattoo parlors that now exist in the area. I mean, I'm not aware of any planning studies that that talk about the number there. There probably are some that are out there. Uh I'm not
a probably not from a planning standpoint, but maybe a marketing standpoint. And may maybe Mr. Ramos could could embellish upon that. >> I mean, yeah. Just to piggy back off of what you said, I think it's just more observation. I don't have any like data
research. >> That's all I wanted to know. >> Um, yeah. No, she she's missed no one is here to talk to the board about operating and um operating the art gallery and what that will entail. She uh
before we >> before we can ask one more question. I'm not sure you should answer this Mr. Singer or zoning officer. >> So, >> there's no way there's a street parking if this is approved. >> What's that? >> So, does the D1 variance to be approved? >> I don't know. also encompass the parking
variance from that portion of it or is a second variance needed for that portion of >> in essence when you when you approve something like this you're approving it with the parking as it exists to cover that
description of what the operation is double check make sure folks in the back there question >> does anyone in the audience have a question. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mr.
>> I just briefly uh would like to offer the testimony of Miss Shayla Nolan. She will be the operator and manager of the gallery. >> Raise your right hand, please. You swear testimony you're about to give the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth.
>> Yes. State your name and spell your last for the record. >> Shayla Nolan. Uh, last name N O L A N. >> Thank you. >> Can you hear me? Okay. Okay. >> You stay close to the mic. We're going
>> closer to you. >> Got you. I know I'm a little short. So, there we go. Okay. Um, I have some information prepared just about my general professional background, my contributions professionally to the space, and then based off of, you know,
the conversations that have been had thus far, I'm really interested to contribute from a creative perspective. Um, for context, um, I am a creative professional. Um, I am a professional painter with an ongoing art practice where I create and sell artwork. I've
exhibited my own artwork, um, across the US. Um, I've shipped artwork out to Colorado and sold work out there. Um, I've always been a creative professional. Um, I went to school for art education and art history at TCJ or formerly Trenton State. Um, and while I
was there, one of the things that I specialized in was community engaged artwork. Um, and the positive effects that artwork in the community have on the positive development of youth and just community building in general. So, that's just my educational background.
Um, I went on to be a public school teacher during COVID. So, if that has any value here, I was a a high school painting art history teacher in Randolph, New Jersey, uh, for a few years. Um, I then went on to serve as the assistant director of the flagship,
uh, for the One River School of Art and Design. You might be familiar. There's a location in Allenale and in Englewood. Um, I also served as their national operations coordinator. Um, and most recently I uh accepted a role uh as the in-house recruiter at the David's Warner
Gallery. I take a lot of pride in that. It's one of the biggest art galleries in the world internationally. Um, so I would say that I am a creative professional. Um, I uh am really passionate about the way that art is demonstrated and accepted in the
community and the impact that it has. Um, so I, you know, wanted to talk a little bit about the gallery element of this space, but also, you know, once again, based off of the conversations that we've had, the general societal acceptance of tattooing, not just as
like body modification, but as a formal, you know, type of artwork, right? It's it's permanent, but um there's a lot of things that are permanent. I always say, you know, there's a lot of things that I do not like about my own body and I can't change them either, but getting a tattoo is something that you have jurisdiction over. Um, it is a really
important part of, you know, personal expression the same way that creating in any capacity is. Um, so just a little bit about um, the gallery space and the contributions there. Um, I think that there's a lot of creative people in this community. I know because I'm one of them. I have met many. Um, I've had a
lot of creative folks coming into the One River School across Bergen County saying, "Oh my god, it's amazing that there is a place for people to contribute creatively to the community here." Um, and they always want more. Um, they always want more. Uh, and I
know that there's also not a lot of opportunities to display artwork in this area. Once again, I know that the One River School does. There's also the Paul Larson Gallery, which is in Saddle River. Um, and I think that people have this association with art and the city.
Art can only exist in the city. That is where you go when you want to be a patron of the arts in any capacity, whether that's really high quality tattoos from renowned artists, right, that have international prestige. Um, or buying painting, you know, for to go up on your wall or as an investment, right?
A lot of artwork serves as more of like stocks than than artwork in many ways. Um, and I think that having a space like this in this community is I I think this is kind of groundbreaking because you're providing
an opportunity for people to be involved in creative community in sales, enriching the community, enriching the folks that live here. Um, and also providing a really important service that there absolutely is a demand for. I mean, I I get I get tattoos, right? I
worked in a public school. I had bright purple hair, a nose ring, and tattoos, and I won awards as a teacher. Um, I think that tattoos are not a representation of someone's professional credibility. And therefore, I mean, I think that there's there's so
much to be said about the benefits of tattooing in society, especially in 2026, right? Um, so the opportunity to have tattoo artists and fine artists, you know, exhibiting their artwork together, I think, is synergistic in many ways. Um, it provides a lot of
people great opportunities to view artwork, once again, be patrons of the arts, bring people together in a creative capacity. Um, also benefit a lot of local businesses like, hey, let's go to the opening at Lucky Fridays. Let's hit Charlie's Place afterwards and get a drink, right? The people are going to be taking the train here from all
over Bergen County, maybe the city, Hoboken, Jersey City, because they want to be part of something that is new and that represents the growing ideals, I think, of the people that live here and are moving here. Right? Bergen County is booming. People want to see the same
kind of growth that they're seeing in a lot of other creative neighborhoods. Um, just objectively in terms of what the gallery would look like, obviously, we would have tattooing. We would have rotating exhibitions on the walls from local artists um and then you know anyone really who represents really
positive values and is contributed towards community building. Um one of the really interesting facets of Lucky Fridays is the concept that anyone can be an owner of fine art. Um we want to integrate a model of raffling off high-end artwork so that way you can be
the lucky winner. Um, you know, maybe you can just buy a raffle ticket and then own a work that you maybe is thousands of dollars. You might not have the opportunity to purchase, but this is about bringing creativity in a variety of respects to this community. Um, yeah,
I think that there's I mean, I see a need for this. I would love to have something like this in my own community and and when we talk to people about this, they're so excited. And I don't have the specific data in front of me about that, but I do know that this is something that we've been working towards for a long time. and everyone is
just so excited. So, I I really excited to share that info with you today. >> Questions for applicant? >> Uh just two comments. One that do you need any kind of license to have a raffle even for artwork? Just I wouldn't know.
>> Um great question. Um I think that it doesn't necessarily have to be a raffle model. There's a variety of different ways that we could pitch that process. It's more founded on the value of arts accessibility rather than the specific process in terms of a raffle. Um, you know, it might be totally free. It
depends on um, you know, how everything all pans out. We want to make sure that the number one priority is the community. So, the details of how that works, we can always change to accommodate um, you know, Waldwick and what the rules are. >> And then the other comment would be just again I think we discussed it earlier
that for the art gallery portion of this concept, you don't need the variance. Is that accurate? >> Correct. >> Um, I mean, fair. Um, I would argue in a more abstract sense that, you know, we're talking about why why a tattoo
shop if you know we're saying that this is not something that's allowed and and why should this exception be made? And I would argue that that's a very concrete and black and white way of viewing something that is incredibly abstract, right? Like artwork
is not one specific thing. And if we want to view artwork for what it is, it can exist in a variety of different formats, mediums, um, and exist on different timelines. There's artwork that is meant to be ephemeral and to disappear within a couple days in nature
and there's artwork that is meant to last a lifetime for thousands of years. We see it in museums, right? So, I think that viewing artwork and in a more abstract sense in tattooing as, you know, under the umbrella of fine art um
would qualify it. Uh, so um I'm wondering if you can speak to the I think you called it symbiotic relationship between the tattoo and the art gallery, right? So um you know if the variance were
>> um denied, >> you know, would the art gallery continue on? >> Um that's a great question. I think that we need to take an objective look at what our options are, you know, depending on what the outcome of the situation is. Um, but that doesn't take
away the fact that I think that there's still a need for a creative space in Waldwick. Like I'll stand on that forever. And I think that, you know, I'm not sure what ways that could evolve, but I think that part of what makes this concept innovative and important and
separates it from just a random art gallery or random tattoo shop is that it is contemporary and and synergistic in that way, right? Like this is not just fine art and it's not tattooing. It is finding a bridge between those things and therefore evolving both of those
industries. >> Thanks. and the um you mentioned a lot around arts education um and so I'm also wondering how prominently you know uh as mentioned high school students go to the del right if one of them were walk by
and and see the artwork how prominently when it's in gallery mode say uh would it be that there's tattooing also >> um well the tattooing is by appointment only um so I think that would help kind of separate those two two groups um and
I also think that we take a lot of pride in opening an establishment with honor, I guess, and and also knowing that part of what gives it value and makes it boutique and makes it high-end is that we are following very strict guidelines.
We're making sure things are done the right way. We're making sure we're not encouraging any irresponsible be behavior, you know what I mean? Checking the right documents um and being thorough. And I mean, once again, I was an art teacher with tattoos. I had 17-year-old boys coming up to me and being like, "I should get this crazy
thing on my arm." And I would look at them and say, "Oh my god, please don't do that. Wait till your brain's fully formed." I did not get tattoos until my brain was fully formed. And I feel really good about that choice. So, I think that part of um once again, this whole conglomerate of of thoughts and
ideas is not just providing the service, but providing exceptional education about the service and who should and should not get a tattoo. So that way, you know, they can make good life choices and be great future patrons. >> I have no questions. Do you have any
questions? >> No questions. >> Um, getting back to the the point um, you were just talking about the art gallery versus the tattoo parlor. >> I thought that Adam uh mentioned that they're not really operating under the
same hours. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. So when the art gallery is operating, tattoo baller is closed down, cleaned up, and put away for the day. >> Okay. All right. Um well, just a just a comment. If your um
credentials, enthusiasm, and vision on this thing are any indication of the success of what you're planning, um I take a bet on you guys. So >> uh at different times through through the
year uh driving at the art aspect of this >> uh children from the schools uh look to postings in different business windows.
Now, uh, true, it may overlap with the t tattoo part of the operation. Uh, would children's art, if it's appropriate? I understand you have the right to refuse. Would children's art be allowed to be
posted? Let's just say uh they make up posters for Earth Day or something of that nature or coming to the 250th anniversary of this country. Would something like that be uh as long as it's appropriate favorable?
>> Yeah, I think that when we were coming up with ideas for what Lucky Fridays would look like, once again, a lot of the the creative aspect was inspired by a lot of my experience as an art educator. I mean, obviously, we want to make sure that people in the town and, you know, local families are comfortable
with what we're doing. So, the details of what that might look like, we're very open to exploring. Um, but I, you know, I know from being a a former high school student and mentoring formal high school students that having an opportunity to display your artwork that is not just like boards in your high school
cafeteria is tremendous. It's tremendous. And it's really important for building up the I guess not just the morale, but I mean I I could go down a whole, you know, rabbit hole about this, but there are so
many incredibly important, you know, future creative endeavors and career opportunities that people can explore. I know that as a recruiter at an art gallery, there are so many opportunities for people to work in industries that really like flex their strengths. And I think providing young artists a platform
to safely and responsibly um exhibit their artwork in a professional setting is incredibly important. Once again, I don't know exactly what the details of that might look like. I want to make sure that people are comfortable with that. Obviously, the tattooing stuff is going to be away. Um but that that's a foundational part of what we want to do
is provide opportunities for um communities. We want to look into maybe collaborating with um you know the local school district and their art program to see if we can um you know work on some fundraising initiatives to help you know maybe provide future scholarship opportunities for young artists or we're
open to anything and everything. You know we just want to make a genuine impact. >> Uh I only happen to know of one artist in town. So, I'm not pitching for this person, but would you be open to local
artists >> or and this person I know has been shown at other galleries in other counties and whatnot and in other states if I'm not mistaken. So, you would be opening you would be open to local artists showing
their paintings or whatever it was as long as it's appropriate. more than open as long as it's appropriate. Um, once again, rotating exhibitions, maybe some local community groups, local artists, international artists, anybody that supports the town's mission and goals.
>> Thank you. >> Of course. >> Um, who came up with the name Lucky Fridays and why is that appropriate for a tattoo parlor or an art
studio, if you will. >> Absolutely. Um, so funny enough, I was walking around Chelsea today on my lunch break with a good friend of mine who's a graphic designer. Um, she just did a bunch of graphic design for the World Cup. Um, and you know, we were brainstorming about different artwork. She actually made some fun designs um,
celebrating the most recent uh, Friday the 13th. And in some of her designs, she had put the phrase lucky Fridays. And I was like, God, that's so good. That's so good. And I like that that that came from a creative source. And I talked to her about it and I was like,
you know, that is really incredible. And, you know, we've been discussing this concept of of coming up with this, you know, creative hybrid space. And we've been really wanting a name that fits this concept of it's not like blank blank shop, blank blank tattoo. It is a
concept that can be a variety of different creative things. Um, so I think that it fit that. And once again, the idea of luck and the idea that you do not need a lot of money or prestige to be able to own artwork. >> Tonight's plan does not include space
for you. There's nothing in writing here to say there'll be uh art displayed or art taught or
artist fists welcomed to display their work or discuss art. If tonight's application for a tattoo parlor is not granted and you said you
would stay, shouldn't the plan show the optional use and how you would use that space? I would say that our main priority in coming here today is once again not to pitch just an art gallery, not to pitch
a tattoo shop, and not to settle for something that does anything less than benefit the community in the way that we think it deserves. Um, and that is why we feel really passionate about this combination project. Um, yeah.
While we're on that subject, how would and if it is displayed, where would pieces of art or anything be on this half of the this other
building? >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, so based on the type of artwork that we choose to display at any given time, that can change the specific location and the nature um of the way that we would display it. Um, but in the images on this paper. I'm not sure how to refer to it professionally. Um, in a space where
you can see some photographs on the wall. Um, like I'm looking at the image in the top right corner and there's some photographs that are up on the wall. Um, oh, and actually on the one on the bottom, you have a pretty good view of that wall on the left hand side. That is a a pretty substantial space that can be
used to display work. And also once that uh doorway is patched up in between each side of the barberh shop that provides another um you know flat space that can be used for 2D work um we also have the option to put out pedestals um for three-dimensional work um or find other
ways. Yeah. For sculpture as well. Absolutely. >> Right now one of the pictures shows there's a piano in the back. Yeah, that'll be removed and the and the stations will be put Yeah, that'll be removed if granted. That'll that'll be
removed and the stations will be put in there. >> As is shown in the drawing. >> It's a player piano. It is pretty magical. >> Just identify. >> Definitely. >> All right. Would
you be welcoming anyone, children or adults, to learn art? >> Yeah, I think that and once again, I'll I'll go down a rabbit hole, so I need to be careful, but a lot of what my
personal and professional interest is in the creative arts industry is centered around arts accessibility. And I think that comes from my experience in community gauged art. Um I think that in order for creative work to have full impact, it is really important that people have access to knowledge about
artwork um and their own creative capabilities. So I think that an inherent part once again of this this joint in and synergistic venture with creative uh fine artwork and tattooing is proper education around those things in a very welcoming and warm environment. So
>> will you be designing some of the uh tattoo. >> Yeah, like the designs. Is that what you're referring to? >> Yeah. >> Um, I have designed >> um I have designed tattoos in the past. I have not done the personal tattooing. I leave that to the experts. Um, the
experts with the needles. Um, I have designed some in the past. Um, we want to make sure that we are finding people that are not just random artists. We want to find people that have, you know, specific styles, um, that are experts at what they do and making sure that those are the people that are doing the work.
We also have a a concept that I'm very proud of. I think it's really fun of having the artists that are coming in and maybe displaying their artwork on the walls, also creating flash sheets. It's almost like a sticker page where people can pick and choose designs off of it. So that way if you love a piece of artwork on the wall, maybe you don't
have wall space, but you got room on your arm, you could always get maybe pieces of that artist's work also done as tattoo for that. >> Um, I would be doing a lot of the more like administrative and uh, you know, we're coordinating the exhibitions themselves. I want to be able to provide
other artists with those platforms, but I have the capability to help. Okay. You mentioned in your delivery that >> children or teenagers >> are too young to decide what to put on
their arm of a permanent nature. >> Correct. >> Will there be an age limit or minimum for tattoos? Yeah, I mean there's laws that transcend my
strong opinions. So, um, yeah, absolutely. We're going to make sure that we're adhering to, you know, whatever laws, you know, are >> Yes. >> I believe 18 and I think maybe 16. They have
>> Yeah. Parental consent >> and Yeah. And it has to be signed by >> all the questions I have and I know about >> sign it again. I asked you about who picked the name. That's not as important
as how will it show up on this building in the window as a decal above on the morning. >> Yeah, we were looking to do a so >> we'll be you'll be removing the
>> Yes, we will most likely >> and move it over. >> Yeah, probably something like that. Yeah. >> Okay, that's it. Thank you, >> Mr. Mr. chairman have a question. >> Yes. I was going to go to >> Thank you. Um will you have any events at is the AR like open door? Is it event
only? How does that work? And if so, how many people are going to be there? >> Totally. So we want to make sure that um you know opportunities for people like walking in do not overlap with the actual sorry do not overlap with the actual tattooing. Um so I think that the scheduling element is super important there. But we do plan on having um
openings and events, opportunities for people to come in like residents, artists, local press, anyone really um to come in. It's a family-friendly space. Um that would not be happening too late. I think Adam, do you have specific times um in terms of events that would be running? Uh I mean as far
as you know uh events go, we do host a gallery event. It would be again strictly between 5 uh p.m. and 8:00 p.m. on uh Saturdays. And then Sundays it would be more like a like a late
afternoon sort of a situation. So maybe 2 to 5 p.m. that sort of a thing. >> Yeah. Just I mean I'm just speaking to the parking you know, you know, trying to figure out how many people you have in there. >> Yeah. We are going to go in the hall. So because you know there will be events where like you know we do have like say
a cover charge uh to enter um and we're going to try and also like encourage people if they are coming out of town to take mass transit. So you know if they if they show us like a New Jersey transit stub you know maybe we can you
know give them a percentage off of like you know a piece of art they might want to buy. Does anyone in the audience have a question for this applicant? >> We talked about the vape shop. Did APC the car wash appear before the board
>> or the fact that they applied as a hand car wash >> eliminate their need to appear? >> They came in from the board. >> They did as well. >> Yes. Thank you. And what do you recall what variances they were seeking? >> Well, because a car wash was not permitted use. So, yes, they did come in
front of the board. >> Well, the the code says automated car wash. They're a hand car wash. >> It's the way the language was. I think they had to come in front of the board. >> So, the the code wasn't changed. >> Well, but it's it's still partly automated though. They may have come in
before um before the tenant review was out, >> right? But I think they came in front of the zoning board. I don't think it was just the planning. >> Yeah, they were they were in front. So, yes, they did come.
>> But that was not prohibited. >> Was not a permitted use. Right. But it was not prohibited. >> Sematics. >> You know, Mr. Singer stated three things. Permitted,
not not mentioned, and then prohibited. >> Automated car washes prohibited. >> Yeah. >> So, automated >> a what? Automated car washes >> are prohibited by the ordinance. So, so my understanding is with the mun
if I could say my understanding is with municipal land use law okay you have a zoning board if it's written that as a permitted use then of course it's permitted anything else ultimately seeks further approval and that's why we're here
>> the automated car wash prohibition was amended uh 52714 was APC here before then or after almost certain they were after. >> Yeah, I think it was after >> they were question.
>> No, I just wanted to put some comparison. >> Yeah, >> you know where you know the vape shop is as prohibited as their application >> whereas APC should we use the word security by being automated? excuse me, by being a
handwash or an automated call. I'm sure there's some automation in there, but maybe that's why Joe said it had >> I think part of the reason why is because of the ability to be able to recycle the byproduct of washing cars.
also to keep them from being lined up on Franklin Turnpike. >> Because they they had a very, >> how can I say, you could probably get what, eight, nine cars lined up on property before it went into the car wash. >> Yeah. But we're not here for that,
though. Let's wrap this up. >> Yeah. And I That got thrown out the window. We should take >> some questions. Um, Mr. Kley, do you have anything in closing? >> Just that we hope that the testimony
offered to the uh board tonight will help everyone sway their decision in granting this application. We greatly appreciate everyone's time and consideration on this matter. Thank you very much again. >> Take final uh comments from the board at the application.
Well, just to beat the parking question to death, you're going to have two artists, two customers, and a receptionist. That's five additional people during the tattoo operation hours right there. Comment >> additional comments.
I get what everyone's saying about the parking, but we all live in Waldo. We all go to Nals. We all park in Raid's lot because there's nowhere to park or the bakery or Charlie's. So, I get that you guys should get permission, but we
all park in there all the time. So, I know it's not a use, but I think like you're saying, tattooing has changed over the years. Like years ago, you would never be a police officer if you had >> tattoos. Now like
>> maybe 50% is they're all sleeved out ex-military. They have t Ramsay. There's a guy has them on his neck everywhere. >> So I would be for this. I think you guys are presenting himself u
like it's going to be a good fit for Wallet. So I would I would be in favor of this. >> Folks, it would be helpful if you address the zoning criteria in your comments only because it makes better record. >> I'm really not satisfied with the answer
on a parking like we've heard and we beat it up pretty much. Um, you know, I think the Boswell's letter was pretty clear about how many parking spaces need to have off street and you're not going to meet that
requirement. Um, you know, we're just going to have more more parking need out there now. And and I have a, you know, defining what a high-end tattoo place is is all due respect. I know that the barberh shop is very it's a very nice
establishment, but um personally I have I have a hard time understanding what how you define that. And I I heard your testimony, but I'm still having having issues with that. That's it. >> No comment.
>> I'm good with the application. I wish you luck. I'll wait for the vote. >> Folks, you've heard the basis upon which you can grant these varies. In this case, it has to do with
beneficial aspects as opposed to the negative criteria. And the applicant does his or her best to show you why the negatives that you
believe are there are not there. And to the extent that you're persuaded, it's your deal. That's where you guys get the big books. >> Could I have a motion to approve this application? I make a motion to approve this application.
>> Second. >> First by Ted, second by Rich, please. >> Mr. Neman, >> yes. >> Mr. Sakola, >> yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Centennial. >> No.
>> Mr. Senzo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Marjek. >> Opposed. >> Mr. Hartman. >> Yes. Excuse me. Did it pass? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much.
Thank you very Thank you. >> Want that? >> No. >> All right. >> Can't wait to talk about >> Yeah, I'll I'll recycle you'll advise me 45. just had his I just had his 77th birthday.
>> I'm sure he and I used to see each other in court. He's a great guy. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have any other old business to go over? >> Is there any new business?
>> Joe, do we have a lot of applications coming up? >> Uh, there are a couple that I have issued. You know, I there was one that's going to be coming back. The one that was withdrawn. Uh my understanding is
that I think they will be knocking down a house and starting from scratch. So whether they meet the criteria of zoning for a new house or do they have to come back? So that's yet to be seen. >> But their couple is still coming up. >> So they have to do the test for the water table then.
>> Well, that's that's different. That's that's the that's part of the construction. That's part of perk test water table. But that's that that has nothing to do with the the approval from the zoning board. Is there anything else to discuss?
Motion to adjurnn. >> I make a motion we adjourn. Impossive.