The mics are on. This meeting is called to order, folks. We're ready if you are. Thank you. This is a regularly scheduled meeting for which the date, time, and location is set forth in the annual notice of
meetings adopted by the Waldorf Planning Board at the reorganization meeting of January 2025. You still don't hear me? Heavens to Betsy. In accordance with the open public meetings act said annual notice has been filed with the burough clerk. A
copy posted in the vestibule of the Waldwick administration building and copies transmitted within 7 days after adoption to the official newspapers of the burrow as designated by the governing body to the Bergenham record and the Ridgewood
news. Secretary please call the role. Miss Balamente here. Mayor Dodeno here. Mr. Bort here. Mr. Roando here. Mr. Fink here. Mr. Kowalsski here. Mr. Mistlewick here. Mr. Orivets here. Mr. Pacillico.
Mr. Panfile here. Mr. Shatz here. Everyone please rise for a moment of silent prayer and the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic and justice for all. Thank
you. Welcome everyone. I can't say I've seen this room from this side that full. So that's kind of cool. Thanks for coming out. Uh if anyone uh in the audience has business that's not on the agenda, they are welcome to come
forward. Seeing none. Approval approval of minutes for March 5, 2025. All members have printed copies. Motion to accept as printed. Motion
by Mark and John. Second by John. All in favor? Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Uh, next resolutions. We have none this
evening. Applications. Uh, first one up, Shulhaer. Hayer or Shuh Haer? Haer. Um, sub-25-1. Mr. Whitaker, you're up. Good evening, members of the board. For the record, Bruce Whitaker from the front of McDonald Whitaker representing the
applicants Glenn and Mary Shuhopper. This is an application for a minor subdivision. Uh it is an application in which no new lots are being created. Uh in essence, we have a situation where there's a single family home on each property. Lot 47 is deficient in lot
area being only uh 6,250 ft where as you know in that zone the requirement is 7,500 ft. Uh the lot next door, lot 45, has a lot area of 12,500 square ft. Uh what the property
owners are requesting through a minor subdivision is to take uh 20 ft width of uh the strip of land adding it to the deficient lot. And on the basis of that, uh from a planning perspective, uh the positive is we now have two conforming
lots. Um the one lot is still a bit deficient in uh lot width, but it's better than it is today. As I said, there's no new lots being created. Um, and we would, uh, with the board's, uh, acceptance and approval of the subdivision, uh, it would be, uh,
modified, per perfected by virtue of, uh, filing deeds. Uh, the deed descriptions have already been, uh, sent over to Boswell Engineering for their review. With that, I have Mr. Kester here this evening, who is the surveyor engineer that has prepared the plan, and I would just have him briefly testify
uh, as to what is being proposed. Very good. Thank you. See? Okay. Be sworn in. Sir, I'm going to move this so everybody can see it. Right. Thank you. Mr. Caster, raise your right hand, please. Your testimony you're about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So God, I do. Please state your
name, spell your last, and give us the benefit of your education experience. Certainly. Steven L. Kesler. S T E V E N K O E S T N E R 61 Hudson Street, Hackinacksack, New Jersey. A graduate of Clarkson College of Technology in 1974
in environmental and civil engineering. Licensed as a land surveyor since 1983 and as a engineer since 1988. I have testified before many boards in and around Bergen County. I don't know if I had the pleasure of being here, but uh I
appreciate it if we could continue. would ask that Mr. Kesser be qualified in the field of surveying and engineering for purposes of this meeting and be able to render an expert opinion in that field. All right. Um members of the board, Mr. Ker appears before you as
an expert in the fields of engineering and land surveying. To the extent that his testimony is that of an expert, it is permissible for him to give you opinions. That is different from a normal from the normal testimony
you get from a lay witness who can lay witnesses can only testify as to facts. That being said, to the extent that you find any opinions rendered by Mr. to be helpful to square with what you see in the application, you're
absolutely entitled to rely upon that. But similarly, if you find that the opinions rendered run counter to what you see, you're absolutely entitled to not rely upon them and to rely upon what you have seen from all of the other
material. Mr. Whitaker, thank you. Mr. Ker, you prepared the plan that's on the board this evening? I have. And that's a plan that has an original date of January 22nd, 2025, revised through January 28th, 2025. Is that correct? That's correct. And you were charged and
retained by the applicant for purposes of doing this minor subdivision. That is correct. Would you just go to the board with that exhibitation? I think just leaving it there. Let me try that. And just explain what the existing condition is and what's being proposed. Sir Whitaker will note that as
applicant applicants one. Thank you. Okay. The property is located on the south side of Grove Street two uh 768.15 ft easterly of the Franklin turnpike. It's known commonly as number
32 and 36 of Grove Street. Presently number 36 is 100 ft by 125 ft in depth. Uh number 32 is 50 ft by 125 ft in depth. The proposal is to move the lot line over 20 ft and that is indicated at
the lower portion of my screen, the lower left hand portion of my plan rather. Uh and that shows the new lot to be 70 ft in width. That is for lot 32. Lot 36 is reduced to 80 ft in width. Uh the lot area on lots 47 will become
8,750 square ft which is larger than the required 7500 square ft and the new area on uh lot 45 number 36 will become 10,000 square ft. Uh there presently the house is
located approximately 5 ft. This is shown in the zoning schedule off of the easterly line and that'll be increased by 20 ft and that'll become 25.84 ft and that will remove that existing nonconformity. Uh there are
other nonconformities in terms of front yard septac that won't be affected by the subdivision. Uh but in uh evidently we are going to enhance the size of house number 32 lot number 47 by 20 ft. So, by virtue of this uh subdivision
proposal, am I correct in saying that the lot area that's now non-conforming will be eliminated and both lots will be conforming or more than conforming? That is correct. And in connection with the lot width that is now 50 ft, adding 20 brings it to 70 ft where 75 ft is required. So, it's better than what
exists there right now. It's much better than it is presently at 50 ft. However, it still requires a merits. Thank you. That concludes our presentation. Mr. Ker, is there a reason that we couldn't
you had 100 feet on the oversized lot in width. Is there any reason we couldn't get that last 5 ft? Yes, we didn't have the consent of the property owner. Gotcha. Okay, fair enough. I was just wondering
seeing members of the planning board, any questions, comments? Any comments or questions from the public? Seeing none, Mr. Whitaker. Anything else? Concludes our presentation. I would respectfully request that the
subdivision be very good. Thank you so much, we can motion. Comments, questions. That's okay. Yeah. Gotcha. Any comments from the board? Seeing
none from the public. Any comments. Seeing none. Um, we can ask the attorney to draw a resolution. A motion. Yeah. From Joe. Motion second by
Stan. Thank you. Secretary, please call the role. M. Yes. Mayor Gano. Yes. Mr. Verort. Yes. Mr. Rando. Yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. Kowalsski. Yes. Mr. Mistlewick. Yes. Mr. Oritz. Yes. Mr. Basilo.
Absent. Mr. Penfile. Yes, Mr. Shack. Yes. Thank you very much. Very good. Thank you. We'll wait for the folks to set up for our next application. Harrison Avenue Redevelopment LLC
25-1. Also, um if we haven't heard already, the mics are on. if we could all speak into the mic as best we can or project if we do not have a microphone in front of us. Also, um we will have a hard stop at
10 p.m. if in fact we go that late. Um Madam Chair, yes, I'd like to let you know that I'll be recusing myself. The planning board's attorney, the town's attorney, and the applicant's attorney are aware of my decision. Very good. Thank you. And Matt Frink, would you come up and take the mayor's place,
please? I got one for myself. Everybody up there. I need two. [Applause] very good follow.
Hello. Thank you. Very good. I knew I should have put my be parched. All right, ladies and gentlemen, presumably you're all here for this application, the Harrison Avenue redevelopment application.
Since I see a lot of faces that I don't see every week or every month rather, let me explain to you exactly how it goes so that there's no question about it. The order of operations here is very
straightforward. The applicant will present the testimony of the witnesses. Some of them will be lay witnesses. Some of them will be expert witnesses. They will be sworn. They will testify.
They will answer questions from the board, from the board's professionals. And then the floor will be open for com questions from the public. No comments, questions for that witness only.
At that point, if you wish to ask a question, because questions inevitably contain factual predicates, you will be asked to swear an oath to tell the truth. That is a prerequisite to asking
a question. Similarly, giving your name and your address is a prerequisite to asking a question. At the end of your question, no comments. The time for comments is when the application is
completely in and the chair asks for comments from the public on the application. So, probability not going to be comments tonight because my understanding is that
there are enough witnesses that we are going to run past tonight into the next month's meeting. So I just don't want anybody to feel sandbagged by what happens here today or how it happens. Mr. Chair, very good. Mr.
Whitaker, members of the board, for the record, Bruce Whitaker from the McDonald Whitaker representing the applicant Harrison Development Harrison Avenue Redevelopment LLC. Uh this is an application in connection with the development of block
107 lots 1357 89, 10, 11, and 12. otherwise known as 3739 4143 454749 Harrison Avenue in Walwick. The property has as you know been designated as a redevelopment area and the
applicant is submitting a major site plan application and a soil movement application uh together with a related request for certain waiverss uh from your site uh design uh requirements. Uh, and it's being done in accordance with your recently enacted ordinance which
has been approved by the mayor and council. That's ordinance number 2024-33. A copy of the ordinance is attached to the application that we submitted and is part of our presentation. We have provided notice to all property owners within 200 ft of all
of the properties. We've submitted our affidavit of service and proof of publication uh from the record. And just want to put on the record, Mr. Singer, everything is in order. Everything is in order. Thank you very much. An overview of the application indicates that the
property has an area of 1.278 acres. It has frontage on Harrison Avenue, West Prospect Street, and Frederick Street. The property is located, as you know, in the central portion of Walwick. And it's a block east of your uh train station, your railroad train station. uh and is
part of what's looked upon as a type of transient housing uh that has become very popular in many of the municipalities. The applicant's proposing to construct a building at the southern end of the property. It's going to front on West Prospect Street and it will wrap around the corner onto
Harrison Avenue. 3,539 square ft of the building will be commercial space. Uh that's proposed on the first floor. Uh no tenants are proposed at this point. Um and the balance of the building will have 21
dwelling units on the second through the fourth floors. There will be six dwelling units on the second floor together with an amenity room and a fitness center. The third floor will have eight dwelling units and the fourth floor will have seven dwelling units. Six of the dwelling units in the
building are set aside for affordable housing for your low and moderate uh income households uh in conformity with not only the redevelopment plan but in conformity with New Jersey law. Also proposed on the site will be 21 townhouse uses uses. Um 13 of these will
front on Harrison. Three are proposed on Frederick Street fronting and five will be on the easterly property line. Uh these town houses will have driveways and will have access to one car garage. The town houses will be three stories in height. All of the aspects of the town
houses as well as the other units will be explained to you um by our architect. Uh the uniform uh housing requirements are set forth in NJAC 5 colon 8026.1 um that pertains to the number of
bedrooms that are required for affordable housing units and the applicant's proposal complies with all of the requirements for your affordable housing as far as uh designation of the number of bedrooms uh required. Uh this has been confirmed by your planner Mr. Gel in his planner's report of March
18th. Um and the 15% requirement for rental units uh for set aside for low and moderate income housings are being accommodated. Uh the Walwig redevelopment ordinance permits uh 33 units per acre. The applicant is proposing 32.4 units per acre. So
therefore we are code compliant. Uh the redevelopment ordinance requires 78.5 parking spaces. The applicant is proposing 87 parking spaces which again is more than code compliant. Uh this also has been confirmed by Mr. Griel in his March 18th
report. Uh there's a building on lot 11 which is located in the southeast corner of the property. Uh this is proposed to rem remain you know it as the hair cottage. Uh the first floor of the building will remain commercial space. Uh there's an apartment on the second
floor that would be uh removed and instead will be used for a superintendent or manager's office. Uh so that somebody that will be looking over the development and the complex uh will have an ability to uh get in out of the rain so to speak, not living
quarters, but just to have a spot uh for management and to keep certain necessary supplies for the uh for the development itself. Uh the applicant's going to comply with your electrical vehicle supply service equipment ordinance. Uh
it's the statemandated ordinance. Uh again, we are going to uh comply with that and have the uh number that's required under the law uh established on site. Your ordinance also requires indoor bicycle parking spaces and those
are being proposed and shown on the plans also and they will be in conformity with um your ordinance. We've had the benefit of Mr. Griel's report of March the 18th and your engineer Mr. McInness's report of March the 26th. We are stipulating that
we can meet any of the conditions that have since set forth in both of those reports and we take no exception to either one of them. Um both of those reports confirm that we're compliant with all street parking and with traffic circulation. We are stipulating that the
ADA um accessible parking spaces will be constructed in accordance with the ADA requirements and standards. The applicant is requesting certain what I would describe as dimminimous design waiverss. They will be further explained by our engineer, but just as an overview, we have a parking area along
the easterly rear property line located 2 feet where the ordinance requires 5T. It is in a very small section of the parking area uh bordering the back of a right aid side of right aid which has certain improvements at right aid that
actually infringe over onto this property itself. Uh we are proposing a one driveway for the site entry and exit. There's a code requirement of two. Garage entryway is 85 ft to Harrison Avenue right away. And you have a code requirement the driveway should be located on more than 100 ft to a
rightway. Again um you'll hear from our experts that in this instance the design is appropriate and does not create any safety uh hazards. We have been in contact with the various burrow uh agencies. We've got the benefit of all
of the burrows responses from recycling coordinator uh the fire department um uh your zoning uh water department etc. We can meet all of those type of requirements. We have already initiated discussions I understand through our engineer and fire department officials
as to hydrant location and we can get that finalized uh and we'll accept what their recommendations are and uh in connection with the water supply we can also meet all of the requirements there. I think what's important for you to know that the principles of u this applicant
are also the principles of DMR construction services. That's a company that has been established for quite a while and actually is in Walwick. Uh they haven't had the opportunity to build in Warwick yet, but it's a fully owned uh full-ervice construction
development and real estate development firm. Was established back in 1992. Uh they have been involved with many different types of projects, both large and small. They uh have public contracts and been qualified as a public contractor. They've done work as large
as uh work in Hoboken uh train station work and they've developed a lot of different uh housing uh from single family homes to developments like this and developments that are beyond this uh both in New Jersey as well as in Florida. uh they're in the forefront uh
have been recognized uh for being able to meet all of the current requirements environmentally uh for green building practices and energy efficient structures. Um so that's the background of this developer. This is a developer that's not only gone from conceptual to
final buildout but also in some instances is actually managed after the buildout has occurred. Um, your ordinance for redevelopment uh has a goal or goals I should say and objectives and they include providing for land use that will support the Waldwick Central Business Center to be
integrated with the rail station for what is known as transitoriented housing to provide new commercial space along West Prospect Street and that's what that 3,000 plus uh space is provided uh for and most importantly to address the burrow's affordable housing obligations
and that's being accomplished also. So it's a submitted that the applicant is implementing the goals that you have in that redevelopment ordinance and the municipal land use law as you're aware provides that when a planning board uh receives an application that does not
require uh variance uh relief at this point uh a planning board shall u at that point approve the site plan in accordance with uh section 46b of the municipal land use law. Important to note that drainage and storm water
management design that is proposed is fully compliant with NJAC78 and this has been confirmed by Mr. McGinness in paragraph 16 of his report of March the 26th. Uh you have before you an exhibit list which will
help us walk through uh the presentation that we have tonight. You'll see on the exhibit list that we received approval already from the Bergen County Soil Conservation District and we have also received a waiver from the Bergen County Planning Board. Um with that said, we
have a series of witnesses uh this evening uh and we are seeking preliminary and final major site plan approval as well as movement approval. We're going to start with our engineer Tola Fentis from Conquer Associates and we will walk you through the plans step
by step uh and welcome the opportunity for questions by board members and by members of the public. Our second witness will be Robert Zamblin, a very well-known architect who is very well known for Darius designs uh all throughout Bergen County and beyond. uh
he's made a presentation once before before the mayor and council showing what could be done with this property and on the basis of that uh the town has already determined that redevelopment is what is needed here. So with that said he will be our second witness. From
there we have landscaping that we will have our landscape architect testify to and if questions arise as I expect they will pertaining to various traffic patterns for this area. We will have the traffic consultant engineer to testify at a later meeting. That's an overview
of the application. Unless there's any questions of me, I will turn it over to our engineer. We're good. Ready, set. Thank you. Thank you. Do you swear testimony should be should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing about the truth. So you ask?
Yes. T-Bore Latinich spelled T I B O R L A T I N Cs I CS principal engineer with the firm of Conklin Associates, 29 Church Street, Ramsey, New Jersey. PE
license number 32444 and that license is valid and up to date. I've appeared before the Waldwick uh planning board and zoning board previously and throughout uh planning and zoning boards in uh
northwest Bergen County. Thank you. I would ask that he'd be qualified as an expert witness in the field of uh civil engineering and for he able to provide an expert opinion in that field. So approved. Ladies
and members of the board, once again, Mr. Linture comes before you as a as a professional engineer. As such, he is a professional and is able to render an expert opinion. Expert opinions are based upon facts which are given to the
um expert andor which the expert aduces himself. Either way, again, you can rely upon the testimony and the opinion testimony of this witness to the extent that you find it that it assists you. To
the extent that you find it differs or varies from your perception of what you're seeing, you are not bound by it. Thank you. Tour, you have been engaged and retained by the applicant for purposes of preparing the plans that
were submitted with the application. Is that correct? Correct. And for the purposes of the uh record, they already been identified on our exhibit list, but just uh give us the uh date of the plans and the final revision date. Okay. The primary plan set, which is sheets 1
through 8 uh is an original is titled site plan, so ion settlement control plan, mixed use redevelopment at Harrison Avenue with an original date of 11,1924. last revised February 24th to
2025 and on the basis of the revisions that were done on 22425 submission. Am I correct in saying that some of those revisions were prompted by u uh some of the review work that was done by the federal professionals? Correct. And in
connection with the uh overall development of this site, you've been part of a team that has been working on this site since the concept of having it redeveloped through the red been submitted. Yes. And with that said, what I'd like you to do is take us through
from an engineering perspective the various aspects that you need to address for site plan approval. Okay. And I may be repeating some of the information Mr. Whitaker uh provided but perhaps in greater detail. Exhibit A1 is a survey
of the existing conditions of the property. You can see that there's five single family homes. Uh significant you can see from the gray shading on exhibit A1 which is existing conditions survey approximately 67% impervious surface. Uh
this is certainly a redevelopment site. Um, exhibit A3 is the specific site plan. There's a zoning schedule in the lower right portion of the of the uh
plan. Uh, exhibit A5 is a blow up of the body of exhibit A3 just for clarity purposes. And taking it one step further, exhibit A4 is, if you want to
call it, a simplified version of exhibit A5 and A3 without some of the excessive uh engineering detail. Uh it's just easier to uh read. Subject property, as Mr. Whitaker
said, is 1.29 acres. Has the advantage of advantageous topography. There's only an 8-ft elevation difference from the north corner to the south corner. You will see that the development is essentially parallel contour
uh which is advantageous uh from a zoning perspective in a broadbrush uh discussion. The application is fully compliant with the bulk and density requirements of the redevelopment uh
area. Uh if you review the zoning schedule on the lower left of exhibit A3, minimum lot area of 1 acre is required. 1.296 acres is provided. Uh required setbacks 20 ft from a roadway
frontage for the town houses which is provided. Uh a minimum of 7 feet to side and rear lot lines. uh that I just provided 10 feet here, 7 feet here, 7 feet to townhouse unit five
to the sidewall to the right end. Um the multi-use building is permitted as zero setback 5T is provided. Breeze is permitted. The multi-use building would be
48.45t and four stories. Town houses are 31 feet in three stories. Uh maximum permitted, we're starting with 67% live coverage. Maximum
permitted is 80% uh proposed is 79.68% uh with a comprehensive storm water management plan. Maximum permitted density is 33 units per acre. proposed is 32.4
uh units per acre. So, simply put, the application is fully compliant uh from a zoning and uh bulk standard uh bulk standards. Access to this site is proposed
uh to the body of the site. Clearly the town houses, there's 13 town houses fronting on Harrison Avenue, three on Frederick Street and five in the interior. Clearly the town houses that front on Frederick and Harrison are
accessing those roadways. Access to the interior parking lot which contains 34 parking stalls is via a 25 foot travel aisle underneath the building through the building which
uh Mr. example we'll give additional testimony on uh to the 14 ft there's a you know the key elevation is an elevation at uh is really set the grading for the site that so there's 14
ft overhead clearance in the uh drive-thru um Mr. Whitaker mentioned the bicycle storage and in this covered this drive-thru also is a covered parking area with 11 parking stalls and bicycle
storage areas uh as Mr. Whitaker um referenced. Um we are compliant with ADA parking stalls which are indicated on Exhibit uh A5 one
two as per uh state code and they are indicated on exhibit uh uh A5 with a uh vehicular symbol. 24 24 foot wide travel aisle is provided
uh through the uh parking area with 9 by18 parking stalls on either side. Uh so that is a overview of the zoning existing conditions uh the proposed development. Uh moving on to
some more detailed information in terms of water use and sewage being generated. Existing existing homes use about 1,800 gallons a day. Clearly there are uh 33 new units being proposed
uh will require 11,000 gallons per day or an increase of 9500 uh gallons per day. um sanitary sewer. An 8 in sanitary sewer line is proposed to be extended
um through the center of the site servicing the town houses. Town houses will be connecting to that interior sanitary sewer except for two units. They will not be connecting to the Harrison Avenue
uh sewer line. Uh similarly with the water line um a new water line at there's a 10-in ductal iron water mane in West Prospect Street is proposed to extend an 8 in ductal iron uh water line
through the center of the site in the parking area terminating in a Mueller Centurion 250 fire hydrant. They'll be uh discussed that further. That water line is subsequently looped with a 4-in
ductal iron uh water line to connect to the water mane in uh Frederick Street. Um the multi-use uh building, retail, and uh 21 apartments. There will be a 3-in
portable water service line off the new 8 in ductal iron line which connects to the 10-in line in West Prospect Street and a second 4in um fire suppression line uh for the for
the multiuse building. Um Mr. example and we'll give additional testimony on this, but the mixeduse building and the town houses will have NSF13 fire protection. Um, terms of fire
hydrants, there are two existing fire hydrants. One directly across the street at the corner of West Prospect Street and Harrison Avenue on the south side of West Prospect. There is a fire hydrant at the corner of Frederick
Street and Harrison Avenue. Two additional fire hydrants are proposed. One spe currently at the end of the parking lot and the fire official has requested an additional fire hydrant um to the
rear of unit Townhouse 6 on Harrison Avenue. We will discuss that with the fire official. May be prudent to just shift that slightly to line up with the alleyway between the multi-use and uh the last townhouse
unit. That would put that fire hydrant closer to the electric vehicle charging stations. Uh the plan does call out a fire department connection uh at the uh north uh west corner of the
uh multiuse building. Um similar to the water uh use the there will be an increase of approximately 9,000 gallons per day in sanitary sewage. We've had a I've had a dis
discussion with Northwest Buring County Utilities Authority. They have the capac they certainly have the capacity for an additional 9,000 gallons a day with no problem uh whatsoever. Um the town houses will be
serviced by um 1 in K copper lines to the new interior uh water line in the uh parking area. The again just to circle back again, two
existing fire hydrants, two new fire hydrants. Uler Centurion 250 is the model number. We'll make sure. I believe it's a left turn fire hydrant named Walwick. Um storm water management.
um these blue boxy uh dorm water chain as well as infiltration into the subsurface uh subgrade. Um the we prepared a detailed drainage plan and storm water management
which is in compliance with the storm water rule and chapter 97-88.4 four of the wildly code um and provides for reductions in the peak rate of runoff uh from the site.
Um pretty much a mandate uh today for what is deemed to be a major project is the pavement will be pvious pavement. Um as mandated uh the trains in the interior parking lot will trap and
discharge all the parking lot runoff to the subsurface detention chambers. All the roof leaders are connected directly to the subsurface detention uh system. There are no inlets currently on
Harrison Avenue. Three new inlets are proposed. an avenue effectively uh reconstructed, repaved. The plan currently shows to the center to the center line of Harrison Avenue.
Um Boswell Engineering has pointed out that uh it is a burough requirement particularly as Harrison Avenue was repaved in the last 5 years. the applicant repave Harrison Avenue and we stipulate to that when that repaving is
done Harrison Avenue will have a proper crown. It it does not have a proper crown today. If you're familiar with Harrison Avenue runoff sheets off from the site, the southern portion drains across the street into that commercial use on
the corner. They got some raised curb there to deal with it. Um, three new inlets are proposed in addition to properly crowning Harrison Avenue curve on Harrison Avenue with a proper storm sewer system uh which
connects both the West Prospect Street and the Frederick Street storm sewer systems and the drainage is uh designed so areas that normally drain to the north will continue to drain to the north. Areas that drain to the south
will continue to drain uh to the west Prospect Street uh storm sewer system. The uh just give me a moment. Let me just uh stop you for a moment. As far as the drainage systems are concerned, you've
had the benefit of reviewing the posible report of March the 26th, correct? Yes. and any of the suggestions that's made there the under the uh storm water management ordinances of the burough of Wwick. Yes. To meet all of the state mandated requirements. Yes. In fact,
your storm water management uh proposal that was submitted to Bogwell Engineering has actually been approved by them. Yes. um sum in substance for all of us here uh on the basis of the drainage that's being drainage systems that are being
proposed will there be any adverse impact from a drainage perspective to any of the surrounding properties no adverse impact and in fact an improvement thank you please proceed in terms of soil movement we have submitted a soil
movement exhibit A6 uh is the detailed cross-sections and quantities. There's a tabulation uh on your right hand side, but in the cliff notes version is the mass soil
movement is a cut of 2560 cubic yards with a fill of 1369 cubic yards, an export of,90 cubic yards of soil. Um in
anticipation of the qu next question that is approximately 66 truck loads at 18 cubic yards per tandem. Um it is anticipated as a practical matter there would be five trucks leaving per day
over a period of several weeks. If it was continuous it would be five truck loads uh over 13 days. I would comment that the impact is probably less than Amazon deliveries.
Um the demolition plan has been a provided Just step back for a moment for the record. The soil movement application and the submission you made. You're familiar with the soil movement ordinance in the Burough Wick. Yes. Am I correct in saying that what you proposing here will comply with all the
requirements? Yes. And we are stipulating that as far as the truck route is concerned, it's obviously subject to police department review and recommendation. The Bergen County Soul Conservation District Certification uh for the erosion control plan, which
is exhibit 24, A23 is the Bergen County waiver, Bergen County Board waiver. Um exhibit A10 uh is is a lighting plan which which
provides a spot isolin um uh uh propensities. Uh in short uh comprehensive lighting plan um which
provides for pedestrian safety. Um in the Boswell report there's we certainly stipulate that there's any modification to find it too bright. Uh it can certainly be uh revisited in the future.
Um and also in the Basel report and certainly there will be lighting ceiling lighting in the uh overhead ceiling lighting in the drivethru of the uh of the parking area and those 11 parking
stalls. Um there's bay windows uh garages. So that garage lighting with your recess sopet lighting downcast over those uh driveway areas. Um and in that regard, just to circle back terms of
parking, which is indicated on the zoning schedule, each of the town houses will have a garage and a 20 foot uh plus deep uh driveway for off- streetet parking.
Um so that that provides for two parking stalls for each uh townhouse. Uh for the multifamily residential there are uh requirement is two parking spaces per dwelling unit. Uh
the what is proposed of course is 42 parking stalls and compliance which then leaves 13 parking stalls for the commercial space, the hair cottage and an office within the uh hair cottage um
for a total of 87 parking stalls. Those uh that information is tabulated in the lower right of exhibit A3. Uh the the project and plan is compliant with the um parking
requirements of the room. Exhibit exhibit A10. Just to step back from that, we're actually more than compliant. Is that correct? Uh let me just check my number. We're at 87 and 87. Okay.
Um, exhibit A7 is a demolition and a tree removal plan. 22 trees are proposed to be removed. We understand that is subject to a tree removal permit for the construction code department.
Um and uh we anticipate if the project receives approval demolition and mass site grading may would be the first uh piece of uh construction. Um and subsequent
plan sheets provide for various construction and [Applause] engine certain um design standards that are set forth in in the ordinances. Uh and you're fully cognizant of the ordinances and
the requests being made. Uh yes. And I'd like you to walk us through those three. Okay. Specifically, a waiver request from section 97-1237C2 which requires parking areas to be 5 ft from the property line. Um,
and on this side we have this somewhat a unique circumstance in that this property line to the rear of the right aid is not 90 degrees to Frederick. So you can see it's at a skewer
one. My personal opinion is that perhaps the right aid was staked out wrong and there was an adjustment because it's rather peculiar. Uh, and what that we have converging lines here. We have a retaining wall here for the parking
area. And you can see the retaining wall and the parking area and the skewed property line uh converge. So actually 11 of these parking stalls are closer than 5 ft 90°
to Frederick Street which is the norm. That situation would not exist. Unfortunately it does. I would point out that it is in the interior of the site to the back of the Wraid former
supermarket and that was where their loading docks were. Um so the the visual impact of it is negligible. uh but a waiver uh nevertheless
uh section 97 C4A recommends that for lots greater uh with a frontage of 100 to 800 ft one should have uh two
driveways. Um the property has 182.25 25 ft of frontage onto West Prospect Street. Um, one driveway, one 25 ft wide driveway is proposed. Uh, that driveway
is 25 ft wide and flares out to a 31 ft wide uh curb cut. So, in the in the big picture, the Walwick uh ordinance recommends two driveways. Um, one
driveway is uh proposed. Will there be safe access and interest uh to the site facing M Street being proposed? Yes. Driveway width is sufficient from an engineering standpoint. Yes. Please proceed. Section 971237C4B states that no driveways can
be closer than a 100 ft to an intersecting uh rightway in wide driveway to the right ofway of Harrison Avenue is 85 ft
uh in lie of the recommended 100 ft. Um there are no safety uh compromises uh with this design. This is essentially a function of site. Um
similarly clearly there are multiple driveways from the 13 town homes on Harrison Avenue um out to Harrison Avenue. Townhouse 6es
from the ride ofway of West Prospect Street. And clearly uh town houses 15 through 18 uh their driveways are well within 100 ft from the Frederick Street
um uh right away. A waiver is requested. And similarly, lot units 19 and 20 are within 100 ft of the right ofway of Harrison Avenue. So those respective
waiverss are requested. Now we look at the Boswell report and I'll reference it. There's certain questions raised that we need to address in that March 26 report. We're confirming that there will be a lot consolidation by all these lots will be
consolidated by one D. So, we'll have one lot in the block and uh the lot designation of course will be given by the tax assessor. Um the Bible report paragraph 22 requires you to submit a storm water maintenance manual which is
required under the administrative code. You're familiar how to do that have done them and will be doing it for this project. Yes. Paragraph 29 talks in terms of speaks in terms of a retaining wall that's proposed along the west side of a parking lot separating the elevated
pedestrian walkway. Can you point that out? Okay, that is and Mr. Zampler will give an additional testimony, but this is a long ramp um and there will certainly be a guardrail uh safety rail system along that elevated walkway. So
we'll stipulate to that essentially the plans need to indicate fire zones on the site plan that would be uh approved and uh by the fire sub code official or fire department. Correct. Correct. And we will communicate with the prospective offices. you testify that to uh
sufficient flow for sewers, sufficient flow for water. Um there was a concern about electrical lines being maintained by PSEG and the proximity of the new use mix building electrical lines. Can you just address
that briefly? Yeah, this is actually interesting and it's indicated by red line work on exhibit A4, A3 and A5. Um the primary there is a guideline from the there's a a guideline
um it is not an electric line it is a guideline and it's interesting question as to which pole it benefits but there's a guideline running from utility pole at the corner of West Prospect Street to Harrison Avenue actually cuts nips the
corner of the property and connects those two poles the primary electrical line is a straight run, does not go to that pole and actually goes to a pole on the on the on
the southernly portion of Harrison Avenue. Um, to the benefit of the applicant, there is more there's a 15t separation between the electrical lines and the proposed building in compliance
with the code requirements. Um this guideline here is is going to be investigated. Uh it can remain as is may not be too aesthetic or a sub a second poll to guide uh the respective polls
and schools and that's something that can be propagated and worked out with PSEG. Correct. Yes. There is a request that you're going to have pavers between the sidewalk and the street in the uh uh
along the curb on Harrison. Uh we'll confirm that we'll um match um the uh the brick with the pavement that he requires. Correct. Correct. We'll be consistent as indicated on exhibit A4, A3, and A5.
um that the brick pavers between the sidewalk and the curbing. Um just the interior curving is specified to be granite block curving. Uh the new curving along Harrison Avenue where they're resenting today is going to be
um standard concrete curbing consistent with municipal standards. Um certainly there will be ADA uh sidewalk ramps uh at the crosswalk for the entry into the
um uh parking area and multi-use building. Um that information will be provided. Anything else? One moment but I think I think we got it covered.
This will pres uh this will be uh in essence our presentation from an engineering standpoint and we open it to questions. Um first we'll ask the board. Yes, Matt. And folks get your questions
ready. I have a question. Will a firet truck fit through that opening? You said it's 20 25 ft tall. Yeah. 14 14 ft tall. 14 ft tall. 25 ft wide. Yes. And a a lift truck will fit through that. Yes.
On the lighting plan, there's a pedestrian pathway shown between the let's say uh Harrison A going east toward the town houses. Can you confirm that's there in all site plans or just shown in the lighting plan? Okay, repeat the question, please. In the lighting
plan, there's a pedestrian pathway shown from Harrison A going between the town houses to the parking lot going towards the east. Okay. Uh can you confirm that's going to be installed or that is going to be uh absent from the overall design? Okay. That that was actually Yes, it does show in the lighting plan,
which is an older plan that pedestrian walkway uh was uh eliminated for coverage purposes. Seeing as there isn't lighting in that area, is there any building lighting in case it ever does become a let's say pedestrian pathway or you know a
nonofficial pedestrian pathway? The um certainly the multi-use building would accommodate uh wall lighting. Absolutely. And then another question on lighting as well. Looking at the east side of the parking lot towards the town
houses, we're at about 0.1 ft candles. Uh, can you provide more information on the lighting from the town houses and how we'll provide safety for cars backing out of that parking lot? Well, okay. We're referring to the eastern uh town houses plan. Yeah. On the top of
the plan, you're referring to town houses 1 through five. Correct. that on the lighting plan you're seeing about 0.1 foot candles where the driveway meets the parking lot and how we'll address uh any concerns of cars backing out um from the parking lot towards the
driveway and pedestrian safety. Okay, this lighting plan does not include the uh lighting on the town houses itself. This is focusing on the parking lot, the overhead parking
lot lighting. That lighting will actually be enhanced by lighting on the town houses. Thank you. Will an updated more recent plan come for the lighting? Yeah, we we can update this. Yes, it's this
was as the project progressed, we eliminate this section of the sidewall for coverage purposes. We can update the plan. Thank you. I had a question regarding parking on Harrison Avenue. So, I imagine on the east side of Harrison there'll be no
street parking, but yet would it be on the west side of Harrison? Okay. Well, on the you can see there's multiple curve cuts uh for the um uh driveways. Um there's
really there's only opportunity for at best uh five or six uh curbside parking without blocking the driveway. Um Harrison Avenue is currently posted uh parking for residents only, right? Um,
but as a as a practical matter, you're at best would only be five curbside parking. I think that's the decision needs to be made. Will it be permitted uh and residents only as it is today?
That's a decision that needs to be made. That' be a decision within the jurisdiction of the mayor and council of the police department. But the but the plan provides for parking stall within of course the uh garage and a 20 foot plus parking
stall within the driveway parking area within the driveway. What would pre prevent a non-resident from parking in the lot behind the building? Is there a pass? Will there be a pass to get through back there? Parking residents only. Okay. Um Mr. example in uh there's
a gate on the entry to the site. Certainly a non-resident who is uh visiting the um retail on our first floor during normal business hours would
have access to the interior park. Uh but at at certain point in the evening that will be made secure. Okay, thank you. Please go ahead, Joe. The U lighting
underneath the the pass through the the building. Um, can you specify that's going to be flash mount lighting so it doesn't decrease the height of the 14 ft proposed? Yes, of course. Yes. Quick question regarding the front
elevation on West Prospect. Uh that is 52 feet 5 in the top of the parap pit when you include the height to the roof plus the parap pit at 4 feet. Is that correct? I would defer to Mr. Sample in
for the building for the parit question. Um earlier we spoke about the distance to um driveways to the existing streets. I know at Frederick Street um and the intersection of Harrison A there is a stop sign. Uh can you provide the distance from the driveway to that stop
sign? Uh for from unit 18, if you would allow me to give it to the curb line. I'm assuming the stop sign is probably 18 in in or so. But from the Freder Street curve line to
the driveway for unit 18 is 29 ft. And we'll have no obstructions to anybody stopping at that stop sign or backing out of that driveway. Excuse me. And there will be no obstructions for anybody stopping at the stop sign or backing out of that driveway.
Um I believe that's very practical. Yes. Thank you. Any other members? Quick question regarding the water in sewer. Who's responsible for sewer lines and water lines uh on the private
property? Is that the utilities responsibility or would that be the owner responsibility? Okay. and we've had uh preliminary discussions with DPW in this regard. Um that sewer line will be built to
municipal standards. Um it will be it's my understanding the responsibility of the property owner which in this case is is a very capable uh construction company. Um, having said that, it may be
prudent to provide an easement which gives the town the right but not necessarily the responsibility to maintain that sewer line if there's an emergency or whatnot, but I defer to
others in that regard. Um, in regards to the um, sewer lines, just to put it on the record, it's it's a three-step process for the approvals. The first step is, of course, review and approval by Boswell
Engineering uh that the sewer line is built to municipal standards and it is a it is an 8 in uh SDR35 uh PVC pipe uh 300
believe it's 350 ft long, a manhole at the end, a doghouse manhole to be constructed on West Prospect Street. Um, upon approval by Boswell Engineering, we would then submit uh the sewer forms to
be uh signed by the um municipality. We then make application to Northwest Bur County Sewer Authority uh and upon their approval we submit to DP
uh for a treatment works approval. Treatment works approval is required here. It's it's more than 8,000 gallons a day and certainly more than two buildings. So the the sewer is a very detailed reviewed and regimented uh
process. But in answer to your question, we believe it it's going to be a private sewer. And some of the units are sharing sewer lines. Some of the units are sharing sewer lines based on each uh the the
town houses um with a common wet wall between the townhouse and two town houses will share a sewer line. Certainly there's one uh main sewer line for the apartment buildings um and they connect to the new
sewer in the parking area. the uh will the town houses have their own individual water meters and curve boxes? Yes. Thank you. Will the um storm infiltration units
need a a permit by the DP for discharge it to the water or no? Uh no. No. No. Anyone else? That 25 ft of width um in the pass through is that sufficient for one for
two cars to pass in opposite directions? Yes. And that's consistent with RSIS standards. Thank you, Madam Chair. May I ask question? Of course. Tower homes uh 1 through five. What's
the trash collection plan for those? All I don't have Mr. Zeppelin will testify to but I can give you the overview. All of the trash collection will be internal. So private garden service private car. Okay. And then a question for Tour. Um
limits of uh the sidewalk and curbing. Will all this curbing and sidewalk on Frederick Harrison and West Pros within the property frontage be replaced or or no? Okay. The There is no curbing on Harrison Avenue. So that's going to be brand new.
The curbing in West Pro on West Prospect is in good condition. Um certainly where it is disturbed, it would be replaced next joint certain. Um, and similarly on Frederick, there's, you know, there's
100 ft of curb here, but certainly where we're putting in three curb cuts, we can anticipate that it'll be properly replaced. Yes. You talked about 100 ft from the driveway to the corner of
Harrison and uh, West Prospect, right? But it's down to 85 feet. Did you say it is 85 feet? Yes. From the not from the center line of the driveway, but from the closest edge of the 25 ft wide driveway to the corner of the rideway,
it is 85 ft where the Waldwick recommendation is 100 ft. Understood. Tell me about folks that are going uh I guess it's uh west on West Prospect to make a left
into the driveway. There's enough so someone coming from train someone coming from train station. Yeah, it's going to be your typical lefthand turn where and there's still parking on the
south side of West Prospect. Yes, I believe there is. Yes. Seems a little snug that that the left-hand turn will require the normal patience and caution when making the left-hand turn, which you have that
somewhere in the neighborhood. any of those in the neighborhood? Left hand turns, patience and all that. Yeah. Uh so there won't be any no left turn options into that driveway is or is that
something that the traffic department would take care of? That's correct. Well, again, as a practical matter, I think the focus of this redevelopment area, as Mr. Whitaker pointed out was that it's it's a transit village where
the it's the right project in the right location because of its proximity to the train station. My personal opinion is half the residents who are going to occupy here could be occupying here so they can walk
to the train station. But if they so choose to drive, um, yes, a lefthand turn, uh, would be required into the, uh, parking into the, uh, entry driveway.
They wait for And there are no other options for the entry to the building. Now that is this that is this primary entry to this site. And just to measure the proximity this happens to
[Applause] This is a plan sheet all the way down to the train station. So, I know everybody knows exactly where this is, but So, it's not just the folks that are living
there, it's the folks that want to park there for retail space as well. This this plan, this is actually a a real cut and paste here, but it is we surveyed. This is the subject site. This is the intervening block. Uh
this is rocket supply here. Uh Houston A is here. And I'm sure you're all familiar with the train station is right here with this is the footprint of the Russo building. Uh so it is a very short walk
uh to the trade station which is we believe the central element of the whole project and why we believe the uh burrow had the vision to um designated as a redevelopment area.
But it's not just the folks that live in the building that will be going into that driveway. It will be folks that want to park there for retail space as well. Correct. Correct. Yes. And the and the parking that's being proposed is compliant with the ordinance to
contemplate contemplated commercial as well as residential. I'm just concerned about the entry and the left turn into the driveway from West Prospect. There are enough parking spaces, but that's not my question or my
concern. Anyone else on the board? The rental apartments are going to have their own um are they going to stipulate that they're getting two parking spaces per rental unit and are they going to be dictated that way or are they just free parking in the middle at this point in
time? It is not designated parking source. Okay. So the vis the visitors the retail station will be able to go into the into any spot inside the inside the interior area. What you're planning on doing? That's what's contemplated in
the ordinance, right? Um, if Hair Cottage wasn't there, where would the manager be? Offsite, so we wouldn't have any space in the building. Typically, some of these buildings, um, these type of
developments don't have anybody on site. We looked at this and recognized that we m we're close to the maximum as far as number of units are are concerned. So we an existing apartment would be eliminated for purposes of having an
area to store some cleaning supplies, you know, a broom, a shovel, whatever else is needed there. And to have somebody that when they're at site have a place to go. It's not going to be an office with employees and their 9 to5. is just going to be the person that will
manage it and probably manage more than this facility. No space in the garage for something like that. No space designated supply closet or anything like that. There's no room for that in
the garage. This would the garage where the parking is. No, the garage is for all the residents but not the manager or the manager is not living there. Yeah. Oh, I understand. Is that No, no, no. The all the garages are used for the residential
purposes, but there is storage area on the second floor of the hair cottage building for normal maintenance equipment or supplies.
Thank you. Just checking my phone. I put some notes on here. Uh so the police report for the traffic uh said they would like to revisit at a later date. When does that actually happen? We have a traffic engineer to
testify at a future meeting. Oh, okay. Good. We'll discuss it then. I recognize the constraints of time this evening stop. So I didn't invite him to come tonight. You knew that before you got right. Anyone else on the board? Good cliff. No.
Anyone in the public have questions at this time? I think you have to come up. State your name. Spell your last. They don't get sworn. They do get sworn. You will get sworn in. Raise your right hand, please. Your
spread, testimony, your reputation shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the true self of God. I do. Please state your name. Andrew Gugglerero, 51 Highwood App, New Jersey. I'm also the Burough Fire Chief. All right. Uh do you have questions on it? Questions on. Yes.
Um you said that this was a security gate after hours that does go down. Correct. Yes. Um we have another facility in town that has the security gate after hours and the fire department cannot get into it rapidly. Um, so I do
see that being an issue here as well. Um, I also see that there's only one access coming into here. Any thought of taking one or two of these uh homes out of the front here, remove them so there's another access cuz that to me that's a safety issue for these residents. If something happens in here,
residents can't get out. So that's my thought on that. Um, I do know there was a meeting between the fire department and DPW uh regarding removing this fire hydrant and moving it. um up to this way. I didn't see the plans changing that yet. And also the water man that's
4 in from here to here. Um I know there is a recommendation for changing that from 4 in to 8 in as well. There's a series of questions there to board. Let's address them one at a time. If you could please. Okay. No problem relocating uh the fire hydrant. Okay. To
one of these uh amendments here. Uh can you speak up, sir? I'm sorry. Excuse me. Can you speak up, please? Yes. No problem relocating the fire hydrant from the end of the parking lot uh to the middle of the parking lot in one of
these planted islands. Uh that will put it within 50 ft of the uh electric charging stations. Similarly, I think the original request was for a fire hydrant on Harrison to the rear of unit 7. We were suggesting moving it down to
line up with the alleyway. Um, no, no problem with that. Okay. Um, the from state code perspective, a 6-in ductal iron line would be more than sufficient for this
project. We we met with U DPW earlier. A result of that meeting, we upgraded the line from a six to an eight. Okay. uh which is off to 10inch line in West Prospect Street. Yes, there'll be more
specific flow tests performed. Uh the 8 in line is more than adequate for fire protection. We then added the 4 in loop there was more the concern there was stagnant water at that's where I was going with the the 4 in. Yeah. Coming
out. So that's so the 8 inch line is is more than adequate for fire protection. The 4 in loop addresses the stagnant order question. So we believe this is a good
design. Okay. Um as far as eliminating two units, uh the ordinance specifies or allows for 33 units per acre, which is what the project is proposing. So a Uh I defer to others in
that regard. Okay. Um two more questions. Um where is the FDC located here? Fire department connect right here. Okay. And there's going to be a knock box on the front
door. Was there any discussion about um an additional fire hydrant here with uh your talks with the DPW? No, there's one directly across No, no, I know that was there, but there was other talks about that. That's that's had not that. Okay. Um, if this were to be needed to be
relocated here rather than here, is that an issue? Not a problem at all. Okay. All right. But as far as entry is concerned, I mean, we were proposing a knockbox for off hours. Yeah. But we could certainly re relocate the fire department connection.
Okay. No, I'm just saying about the gate because we have issues with the other place right now getting in there. Um, so I foresee this being the same issue. Um, you were talking about parking before and making a left into the
building. There's still going to be no parking on the north side of this uh, West Prospect, correct? That's not changing. You're asking me? I'm We have no We have no uh authority over the parking on the street. Okay. No, I'm just making sure because we have two
very large pieces of fire apparatus that if you put parking on that side of the street, guess what? You're not getting a fire apparatus in there. Okay. There's no there's no proposal but by by the applicant for parking on West Prospect Street. Absolutely not. Okay. Absolutely not. So, the jurisdiction for parking on
any of the streets in the town may work it out. Just ask. Okay. Very good. But there's been no discussions about removing anything in here to have the residents get out at all. Correct.
Correct. Go ahead. The is there as to which I'll end up uh closer to there. Closer to there. Yep. Okay. Can you be specific? Closer to what? It'll be the the fire hide would be the
planted island in front of townhouse between one and two. Very good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Can I point out something that um as far as um fire chiefs mentioned getting out, isn't there going to be space at the top leftand corner and also
around um units 19 through 21 there? Isn't that area is that going to be clear? Is there going to be fence there or is I mean that that should be enough to get out of the area like he was talking about as far as people goes. talk about pedestrian access. Yes,
that's what he was talking about. Pedestrian accident was also talking about vehicular traffic coming out as well because they're going to be landlocked in that in that facility if there's a fire or something within the parking garage or in the main building vehicularly. How wide is between those
that space there between those uh two the on either side of the units 19 and 21? Yeah. 19 and 17. Between 19 and 17, uh there is 10 ft
separation. Uh and between unit 6 and uh the multi-use building is 12T. Uh we could uh we're at 79.8% lot coverage. We would a
dimminimous dare I say the word variance, we could extend res uh sidewalks there. Uh if uh deemed prudent uh could also make those peries pavers. Um from a coverage drainage
perspective um certainly the drainage system would handle that small increase. That warrants discussion. Paul or Jim, any comments on that?
I I don't think a vehicle could fit fit there right now. So, it's not going to provide vehicle access, but certainly somebody could walk out there, they put a pathway, they could walk out there or just be grass, they could walk. So, I don't think it matters either way. Um, but certainly a vehicle can't can fit
through there. Not fire truck for sure. No, I don't think I think he's talking about personal vehicles. No, they're less than even still less than 12 ft. 10. Yeah, you have you have some some stairways here. You have some uh you know walkways. It's it's uh behind uh
you know it's 15 and 16. So you see the fire um blocks which were like grass and blocks in the middle of them. They're they as use as a secondary entity, not for fire department, but for vehicles going in and out. Um, just for
an emergency situation if you had to drive onto those blocks, the grass blocks, those kind of things. That would take care of the impervious stuff, but also you could handle a a personal vehicle. We had to do that.
We have, ma'am, I'm sorry. We have two spots in town that have that already um with the blocking uh for the Bristol building and also Sarah Bradford Way has it as well. I would just add I think it makes makes sense potentially to look into that. But as far as the access
point, this is no different than any mixeduse development with a garage and one point of entry despite the fact that it's open in the interior. It's not at all uncommon to have a single access point. I get the concern obviously of safety, but um for this size project um there's no requirement to have a
secondary access, but it sounds like the board is inclined to ask the applicant to look into that. I think it's a good idea between now and next time to explore some options with it. Yes, sir. How about removing the security? We we'll take that under advisor. It's
the first time it's been asked of us. We can look at it for the next Very good. We're here to talk about it. I have another question. Yes, sir. You mentioned that there's going to be seven charging stations on site. I see six in the parking lot and one underneath the apartment building.
Uh I believe so. Yes. Is there concern with regards to fire? I'm just going based on what the chief mentioned with regards to access and having a charged car underneath if that pitch is on fire. I I recognize that it's there's there's also a a
supplemental requirement that one of the ADA stalls needs to be EV um with an electric charging station for a handicap stall. We thought it made all the sense to put the handicap stall
handicap stalls in the covered parking area. Uh we can revisit that. move the BV ADA stall to the exterior if it's a concern. Um, but that's how it that's
how it evolved. It does meet building code requirements because there's contemplation. There are some buildings like this are being built where it's all underground parking and EVA EVs have to be there anyway because they're required. Understood that they're required. It's
just I mean they're required and they're put into underground parking uh spaces where there's no outdoor parking. Where would the outdoor parking be for someone in the building? The the the 34
parking stalls are indicated on exhibit A4. Uh there's light gray dash lines representing the striping. So it could be one on each side of that parking area. Yes. and not inside the garage. There's 11
parking stalls in the bicycle storage in the cover parking area and 34 outside. Does that make more sense? Mr. Joe, Miss Wick, you have any comment on that? Oh, I'm sorry. I missed the
question on having the EV on a handicap inside. Well, I know what the requirements, you know, allow. Um, you know, with some of the history and recent uh issues with some of those cars catching on fire, ultimately I would
probably prefer to have that spot on the outside of the building instead of underneath the building. Agreed. Going back to the U egress or in the case of emergency, what is the distance between unit number 19 and that
staircase behind unit number 15 and 16? What's the distance? Can a car in case emergency be able to drive around up to exit onto Frederick? Okay. The distance is uh 13 ft and that is impractical for a
vehicle. So you would you don't think that a car in case an emergency would be able to exit through there? Exit through here. Correct. Yeah. Okay. A little door. There was discussion earlier on a sloped
sidewalk or a guardrail and retaining wall. Does that relate to the area in question in that corner? Is that above um the grade of the parking lot? The uh this walkway is at grade here and slopes
up to the rear of units 10 and 11. Um sample can advise as to the elevation change and you can see there's a set of stairs there. So it is a nice uniform grade provide access to the rear of these units.
Uh the formal front door of these town houses will be to Harrison Avenue. Uh but there is rear doors off call it a bonus room. Um Mr. Zample and we'll we'll give testimony on that. But this
is a a upward sloping walkway. uh to the rear of units uh 10 and 11. Perhaps I'm confused. But I think you just testified that
between units 19 and really where that stairway is off the back of 15, that's 13 ft. Is that what you said? Excuse me. the distance between unit 19
and the wall. In other words, if that were to be considered an emergency egress for vehicles that it's insufficient because it's 13 ft. Was that your testimony? Yes, that's all you said.
I think you said that because that measures 13 ft, it would be insufficient for a vehicle as an as emergency egress. Is that correct or not? That is correct. There there's a curb line here. Uh
there's a walkway. Um and the distance is is 13 ft. Uh and it's just impractical. Is that because it's not exactly a straight shot? Correct. Okay. Cuz I was getting concerned when you
were saying 13 ft isn't enough, but you had also told me that 25 ft was enough to have two cars go side by side. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's there's various impediments here. There's a curb line. There's landscaping.
Uh it's not it's not a straight shot. Um it is impractical. Thank you. Any other board members? Back to the public
questions? Yes, please come forward. first and last name. Spell your last and be sworn in, please. Yes. My name is Patricia Hartig. H A R T I G. And I live at 44. Would you be so kind, ma'am? Just stand over by that microphone, please.
Thank you. I'm Okay. My name is Patricia Hartig. H A R T I G. I live at 44 Harrison Avenue. In direct contact with this development. Okay. Okay. Um, Mar, could you raise your right hand, please?
Do you share the testimony you're about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the good stuff you got? Yes, I do. And please confine yourself to questions. Yep. Thank you. Okay. I have quite a few. I'm sorry. Um, I'm very con with this concern. Are on the parking of
um on Frederick Street right here. People are going to be backing out. Very tight street when people are parked, one on each side. I don't know how people are going to back out safely.
And they're right near a stop sign. Very concerned about that. A lot of kids ride the street and um it's a very busy intersect question. Oh. Oh, no. Okay. Just be aware. I'm asking what they're going to do about the the busyiness. Keep reminding you that. I'll be who I
ask. I um I'm also I'm wondering what else you can do about the exit onto Prospect Street because of the stop signs and all the traffic. Is there anything else you can do with that exit? It's is that a good question? Sounds
good. Okay. And I wanted to know you were speaking about removing soil. Um what will you do in terms of this is going to in affect our environment all this dust and everything. What are you going to do for us with Let's answer one
question at a time. Okay, Tor, let's answer the question about uh the parking on Frederick and um the ingress and egress of uh residents to the townhouse. Okay. Well, Frederick Street is a standard 30 foot wide curved roadway.
Yes, it is. Um so you indicate that it's tight. It's that's that 30foot is your standard roadway throughout New Jersey. So it's um so a 30-foot roadway width is used
when people have a driveway that fronts their home and they back out onto the street. Yes. Normal and customary. Okay. Okay. Uh and in fact in other residential developments RSIS allows for even narrower but in this case 30 ft is
proper normal and customary. Um I think the stop sign is a benefit because it's a traffic control measure. Um people will be uh should be proceeding slower as they approach the stop sign. Um so
the second question is the access. What else can be done for to the access? Yes, it's very near where people are going to be pulling across Harrison at in the morning. Is there anything you can do to make that more controlled because it's a
very you know can't say that. Um so the question being that is there any alternative to where this has been proposed or from an engineering standpoint is this the appropriate location? It is the most practical uh location. It aligns uh with the center
line of the parking area which then impacts it's a domino effect. It impacts many different things. Um this is the most uh practical location um for the um
uh access and egress. If anything is actually further from the intersection of of Harrison AB than let's say the exit from the uh right uh it really is given the constraints of this site uh the best and most practical
location. And what are you going to do about all the cars backing down onto Harrison Avenue to control traffic and protect us as people walking and what are you going to do? That is that is a normal uh vehicle of movement for every
single family home. I I do it every day, every morning, and I'm sure you do as well. Um that is a normal and customary uh behavior movement. Okay. My next question is, um, are you going to do an abatement on this property while they're
doing the construction? And how long are you planning on it taking? Okay. When you say abatement, like, are you going to get a reduction in taxes because your propertyy's under instruction? It's not within the jurisdiction of the board. Exactly.
Improper question. Drop the question. Okay. Improper. Oh, improper. I board doesn't have any jurisdiction about taxes. Okay. And what are you going to do with all the trucks that are removing dirt? Because we already No. What are you going to do with them? Okay. So, we've stipulated that the truck route as
required under the uh municipal ordinance is something that has to be approved by the uh uh Burough Police Department and we will adhere to wherever they want us to take the truck traffic out from here. You heard the testimony of the number of trucks that are proposed. I did. I was concerned.
And as far as the question you asked earlier pertaining to uh dust etc. the ordinance is very specific. There has to be soil erosion control measures and there has to be done under the opices of your construction department uh building department as well as the burough
engineer. Okay. And in addition Bergen actually multiple layers in inspection and enforcement. Uh Bergen County Soul Conservation District will also be monitoring the site. Um after the tree removal, the very
first thing is you you'll see silt fence going up. Um if there's any soil stock piles that will be sprayed down to control the dust. Um we are a stone throw from Joe's
office. So and what time do they plan on starting work in the morning? There's a burrow ordinance. I don't know it though. What is it? Everybody kind of does whatever they want. 7:00 in the morning. Yeah. People kind of just landscapers whenever they
want to work. Eight days and then eight weekends. Correct. But they won't be working on um and eight on the weekends. Correct. Yeah. That will be discussed whether they'll be allowed to do so or not. Right. This is hard. If I'm not uh
mistaken, I think I read that the trucks will be Harrison Avenue, West Prospect, and right to Route 17. if I'm not mistaken. But I just live on the limit on East Prospect Street. So these these tandem dump trucks that are full, I don't think they're going to be going
down East Prospect. I think they're going to be going down Franklin or north on Franklin because that's 15 ton limit on on East. And one other question. You're moving the fire hydrant on the corner of Frederick. No, that is remaining. That's going to stay there exactly where it is. Absolutely. Okay.
because I get a deduction my insurance for that and I'm going to fight for that. You got to get a deduction where you can. So, that's actually going to still stay there. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Thank you so much. I'll be on the floor next time. Very good.
Anyone else with questions? Yes, please come forward. Don't get your hips done. That's what I say. You know the drill. and her name Mary Mulaney, 128 East Prospect Street, Waldwick, New Jersey 07463240.
Hi Mary. Hi. It's a real zip code. Hold on just a moment. Please. Oh, sorry. I have to state your last name and your name. Please spell your last name. Oh, m U L V A N E
Y. Into the microphone. I wish everybody spoke into the microphone, including the board members, because sitting back there with you guys here, it's hard to discern every word. Understood. Thank you. Hi. Where on East
Prospect? 128 between Ridge and the Highway. All right. And raise your right hand, please. Swear the testimony shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth of God. I do. Thank you. Questions only. questions. You have two
ADA parking uh spaces. What do you have? We have more than two. Well, you have four four spaces. Two two areas. Four spaces. We have uh a standard size and a van accessible. You do. That was my one
question was are they van accessible? Okay. If they're van accessible and people living there have wheelchairs, is there access into these apartments or town houses that are ADA accommodating? Yes. Mr. Sample will give
testimony in that regard. Okay. Uh then I should end. Is that it? Well, unless you have questions about what he testified to which pertains to the civil engineering aspect, but the ADA we we've providing the parking spaces. Mr. example and our architect is uh familiar
with the code compliance from a building perspective. He's our next witness. He's the next one. Okay. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Mary. Yes, sir. Just as a note, we have 42 minutes left. Okay, I'll open that. Uh Jim Schultz, 52
Harrison Avenue, SLTZ. You see our testimony about the truth that whole truth and nothing can go through the subject. I do. Uh do you have the diagram of the parking on Harrison here? Well, so
what's so what's So there's going to be a curb on the west side of Harrison. Uh no, we're just curbing on the east side of Harrison. Why wouldn't you curb the west side? Well, that's offsite. Um I believe there's been conceptual
discussions on a project uh there but that is uh you're proposing curving on the east side Harrison Avenue. So between the driveways what's the distance? So the driveways here what's the distance to the next driveway? Uh it
varies uh for example between 8 and 7 is uh 16 ft. Uh it narrows down to as little as uh 3 ft. Uh about 3 to 17 ft.
Okay. So have you ever driven down the street during the day? Multiple times. Yes. Have you driven down at lunchtime? Uh not at lunch time. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to ask you, can you drive down there at lunch? Because my concern is this. The street's going to be narrower
than it is today or No, it's going to be a uh we will construct a curb 15 ft off the center line of the road. Okay. So, is if and I don't have it in front of you, but 15 ft. Do you know where that goes to today? Does it go to somebody's front lawn? Because the whole block has
no curb. It's a it's a ragged edge with tuddles and everything. Um It is. It's going to be 10 ft in from the rightway, 15 ft from the center line. Um, that's a standard. That is the
municipal standard. Okay. So, I guess the question for maybe the planning board is I think you've all been here at lunch when everybody's at IKE and Charlies and the martial arts place at night. My concern or the question is that's not a question, right? The question is how are you going to
accommodate the afternoon parking and the evening parking there? So that's that's one. I don't know if you can answer that or if the plane board. I think that's the traffic engineer. Okay. So if the traffic engineer another night another night uh you said there were 87 parking spaces, right? Well, yes. And
and the code is 78. Let me just 87 requirement is 87 and 87 are provided. Okay. How did they come up with the 87? What number did they use for occupancy? That's right. Okay. Well, that ain't the the code based on the
units being built, we comply with the code, right? Do we know what do we know what that number is? Is it like two and a half? It is. The code is two for the town houses, two spaces per dwelling unit per townhouse. Okay. And for the
apartments, it's uh 1.5 space per dwelling unit. Okay. That is the code. That is three. Does the same number get used for occupancy then in one, two and threebedroom h apartments or town houses? How do you figure the occupancy on that? It's by the ordinance. Yeah.
The it's it's it's or it's oriented from the ordinance and we follow the ordinance requirements. It's a straight straight straight block. Okay. because I because I I looked up the census number and it's about two and a half per dwelling and a
average household is 2.54 which is a little off but depends on depends on the type of dwelling and the zone. Okay. In this case the town houses have a requirement of two spaces single family houses in that area three spaces one in
the garage. So, of the 87, how many were going to be used for? Because there were three. There was a hair cottage and the retail space, right? What was the third one? There's a there's Well, and well, there's the there's a retail space, right? Two
for each town houses and then there's 13 uh spaces for um visiting patrons of the commercial space. Okay. And I and I remember from the T from the one town mayor and council meeting, we're looking at multiple restaurants in this. There's
no there's no uh tenants at this time. There's no Okay. Cuz I thought one of the selling points we were going to have multiple restaurants and strip malls and stuff like that. It's a little little small for a strip mall. Okay. No, I'm just that that was at the one council meeting there was mention of that.
Uh so again if they have that safety gate at night will be the only people that will be able to park in here are the residents then? Yes. That is correct. That was the thought behind putting the safety gate in. Okay. And then just the the number you came up for the water usage. Did you
use the state occupancy for that to calculate the We use the state code for to calculate the water and sanitary sewer flows. Yes. Okay. And was it more or less? Do we know what the flow is today here? Well, for the five single
family homes using the state numbers is 1,825 gallons a day. Okay. But nobody checked and saw what they used today, right? Did you go to the water department and say this is the gallon? No. Okay. And last question is are they still planning on using a pilot program
for this? Do we know? Not within the jurisdiction of the planning board. The jurisdiction of the board. That's between them and the mayor and council. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Anyone else in the public with questions? I thought there was someone
else. No. Going once. Anyone else? Well, our next witness, Robert Zamplin. Thank you. Heat. Heat. [Music] Let's get started.
Okay. We don't have Hello. Good evening. Do you swear testimony? Excuse me. Thank you. Swear testimony. Your refriation will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but truth. I do, sir. State your name. Spell your last. Give us the verification.
Certainly. My name is Robert. Excuse me. Thank you. My name is Robert Zample. That's Zam P as in Peter O L I N. Licensed architect in the state of New Jersey. Office address is 187 Fairview Avenue,
Westwood. Been a licensed architect since uh 1985. I've testified before uh the planning board a number of years ago. Uh and I've testified before hundreds of uh other planning boards in the state of New Jersey over the past 40 years. Would it be correct to say that
you've designed uh buildings similar to this throughout the state of New Jersey? That's correct, Bruce. And you're familiar with uh building code requirements, ADA requirements, and affordable housing requirements. Yes, I am. I would ask that Mr. Zamplin be qualified as a licensed architect in the
state of New Jersey, and for that purpose, I have the ability to render professional opinion in that field. So, accepted. And same instruction applies to your again expert opinions. You don't have to
accept them, but to the extent that they're helpful, you absolutely can use them. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Zamplin. I would like you to take us through uh what is being proposed here and walk us through the uh development. Yeah, certainly, Bruce. So, you know, obviously a lot of a lot of testimony
has been given. So rather than being redundant and just repeating some of the same facts. So some of the other points on the uh town homes are the actual sizes of the town homes themselves. So each town home has a footprint uh of 20 ft in width by 35 ft of depth. So it's basically its footprint area is about is
exactly 700 ft². All the town homes have the identical footprint in terms of the uh in terms of their size. We did design them as Tor mentioned with candle lever projections. Uh it's designed with angled bays, box bays which are 90 degree corners, bays with 45 degree
corners just for the aesthetics. Uh in terms of actual uh total building area for each town home has a total of about 2200 square ft. Of the 2200 ft², if you subtract out the garage and mechanical spaces, you know, the true living area for each town home is about 1,900 square
f feet. So that's the design of the town homes. Now, uh, as everyone knows, there's three building clusters. Uh, of the three building clusters, we have 15 interior town home units. So, the interior town home units have obviously only window availability front and back.
Those town homes are designed as two-bedroom units. And then in the design, we obviously we have endunit conditions on the on the three buildings. So, we've designed uh those units with three bedrooms. Granted, the third bedroom is a small bedroom, but it's actually a code compliant bedroom.
So, we have six end units and we have 15 interior units. Uh, so I wanted to uh add that to the uh to the uh to the testimony. And as Bruce and Tour mentioned, there's one uh garage which is 11 1/2 ft by 20 ft, which is certainly a a more than sufficient
garage uh for a vehicle on the ground floor. The ground floor is really the first floor. And in some situations, and TBR made reference about the 8-ft chain and slope on the property. So some of the town homes, the first floor on the interior of the parking lot is actually somewhat below grade. That's why Tar was
talking about those steps and the ramps because we actually have entrance doors coming in from theoretically the second floor on the interior of the parking lot. Whereas the public entrance for visitors is on the first floor from let's say the Harrison street side because the the town homes create a
change in change in topography between the interior of the parking lot and the street side. So in some there's a and so TAR made reference to buildings 10 through 10 through 16. Those are the buildings that actually have an additional entrance coming in right from
the parking lot. You'll see that you see that actually better on the 3D rendering. You know it it shows the entry doors and that's the uh the railing system for that retaining wall that the engineer made reference to and then the steps that come down in terms of the property. Uh and then in terms of
the floor plans, you know, the the ground floor is obviously an entrance hall from the public side coming into a coat closet, staircase going up to the main living area, uh den, full bathroom, mechanical room. Uh the main living floor is the second level, you know, in seven units. We do have an entrance door
from the parking lot side. And again, it's an open plan, which everybody's been doing for the past 10 years. There's no walls except for the powder room and coat closets. And the interior unit has a primary bedroom which would actually be on the street side. Uh we have the second bedroom which would be
on the parking lot side, hall bath, uh small den, uh and nice walk-in closets and a laundry closet. We do have a roof access. The roof is a flat roof in terms of the design of the units and the roof access to provide uh uh for maintenance
people obviously to get to the rooftop condensing units. uh the condensing units will not be visible uh to any residents or from the street because there's a decorative 4-ft parapit as part of the architectural detailing. The real structural the line of the structure itself is really 4T below all
the cornis moldings that we're designing across the building. And so the building height is always taken from the top of the roof structure. That's in your ordinance in section 97.122-1. Parapits are excluded. Everything is taken to the top of the structure. Uh so that would be the
interior unit and the three-bedroom unit is essentially identical to the uh interior unit except obviously on the third floor. This is our 8 1/2 ft by
8 1/2 ft third legal bedroom. Again the primary bedroom at the bay area, hall bathroom and the second bedroom on the parking lot side. uh essentially the same program and on the key map it just shows obviously where the uh where the uh uh end units are
located and then in terms of the elevations of the building you know we obviously have the 2D elevations which are uh obviously doesn't show it as representational as nicely as but the building height on the Harrison street side is about 30 ft tall
based on T- bar's average grade your ordinance talks about average grade and T- bar calculated the average on all the buildings. So, the building heights vary. Uh we have it from 30 ft on Houston, then we have a 38T average building height, and we also have a 41
ft uh average building height. Again, they're all compliant with the ordinances. The ordinance allows you to actually go all the way up to 50 ft. We certainly don't need 50 ft by any stretch. The elevations for the materials of the building, it's uh three stories of brick, which will be uh all
brick on the street facing sides. Uh the only changes of the materials would be where the projecting uh bays uh would be coming out. Uh in discussions with the clients, we have a light gray tone in terms of the bays and the dark uh black windows which is very popular. Uh the
clients and I were talking about it yesterday and we're thinking about maybe changing this to some cream colors uh and just you know so there might be a change in color in some of the bays. Right now it's designed with vertical board and batten which is Hardy Plank is like the you know the industry leader of
sighting materials these days. Uh they pretty much make almost anything these days in large format panels. So they have board and batten they have horizontal they have large format sheets uh which will be using different combinations. Then we have that cornice and the uh and detailing which adds to
that you know nice kind of row home uh aesthetic that we're looking to go with in terms of the design of the buildings. There's pre-cast detailing with all the brick work uh and obviously the onecar garage and the rendering shows the the public entrances with the doors coming
in from the uh from the Harrison Street side. And then on the interior of the parking lot side, we still have brick on the on it's really on the second floor uh and in some vertical elements going up to the third floor. Uh we have little Juliet balconies for the aesthetic. We have the secondary entry doors uh again
and hardy plank and again some corners molding up at the at the parapit line. And that's pretty much the uh the town homes. Bruce, take us through now the uh apartment units in commercial
space. So that this. And then we have our sheet A5 represents the four floor plan, the four floor plans of the apartment building, mixeduse building. The apartment
building uh the building fronting on Harrison has an overall width of 64 ft. The depth going uh east to west on uh West Prospect has a measurement of approximately 160 165 ft. Uh again the ground floor uh
Bruce mentioned it's a 3 thou a little bit over 3,500 ft of retail space. We have our covered parking and T-art talked about the 11 covered parking spaces and then we also have our lobby entrance which is on the far eastern side of the building. And for the
resident that was concerned about the ADA, 100% correct. The change in topography from the West Prospect side is an ADA entrance coming in, but in order to accommodate the an uh, you know, a person needing assistance,
there's a handicap ramp that comes up into the elevator lobby location because we also have the elevator lobby entrance coming in from residents coming in and parking coming in at the higher elevation here. And from what I remember, it was a several feet in terms of the elevation difference. So there's
ramps to provide all that ADA access. Town homes are considered single family homes that are attached. So theoretically, there's no ADA requirement in a single family home. It's only in the commercial building and the apartment building. So there's there's no ADA requirement in a in a home itself. Uh obviously all the
apartments have to be designed with full ADA access. So everything has to be adaptable. So bathrooms are always overdesigned with the turning radiuses for the wheelchair. They're not fit out with the grab bars, but all the blocking is placed in the walls. So should a resident need that, all the grab bars
can be put in after the fact. And kitchens are designed so that there's always a removable section of the cabinetry to then provide that drop down cabinetry uh for an ADA resident. But all the finished flooring material has to be built all the way under so that when it gets taken out, all that
finished material is still there. So it doesn't look like it's been a patch job. Uh so that's all part of that whole ADA uh transition when you you build it because you just don't know who's who's going to come in and then then you modify as necessary. Uh so we talked
about the gate and we had discussions about that and we thought having uh an open metal brick pattern gate that you'd actually have visibility late at night for residents to have a more of a feeling of security you know for people when you're in a parking lot. Granted
it's lit as Tor said but you know we thought the gate was a good thing but I guess that's that's subject to discussion I suppose. Uh so there was there was the idea of having a gate. So when we did the rendering, we showed it as a full open a full open overhead door with the 14 foot high clearance.
Obviously, this ceiling would be higher than the 14 ft to to receive the coil of the overhead door. So no lighting would extend below the 14 ft, but you know that's you know security at night it you know it seems to make sense but I get
where the emergency people are coming from too. I just think with technology now I thought there would definitely be a way for because the residents would have a key fob after hours to click it and the door would go up. Uh so our understanding was if whatever the retail hours were if they shut down at 10:00 at night if it is a restaurant or something
like that after 10 10:05 the gate comes down and everybody feels like you know you're coming in from a late show in the city or something or you can come in and not not not look over your shoulder. Uh in terms of the actual unit count, I wanted to go through that because that's
important. Of the 21 units, we have six COA units of we are we have one three-bedroom KOA unit. We have four two-bedroom COA units and one one-bedroom COA unit. And that's as per the requirements. And then we have a total
of I'm sorry, which on affordable housing, right? The affordable housing. And then for the market rate units, there's nine two-bedroom market rate units, four one-bedroom with den units, and two one-bedroom units. And then the
total is 21. And the units vary from uh the onebedroom about 700 ft² to the two bedrooms, which are actually a little bit over,00 ft². So they're good size units. Uh and the COA units are placed on the second and third floor. Uh in addition to the COA units on the second
and third floor, on the second floor, literally on the center line of the what was the overhead door, uh is the fitness center, which is about 900 square ft. And we see that in the 3D rendering. That's where we actually brought the brick up to the to the third floor sill
level. And these sets of windows were actually the windows that are in the fitness center above the overhead door coming in. Uh and then in addition to that we have an amenity space. In the amenity space we thought that that would be you know for residents if they have a birthday party or a meeting or something
rather that was that was where uh that was going to be happening. We talked about refuse with the private haulers and uh we have other developments where they come in with pickup trucks basically not the with the big over with the big garbage uh uh uh uh equipment. and the pickup truck would come in. Uh
we talked about uh flipping the elevator and the refuge room because after talking with some of the haulers, uh that refuge room is not large enough. So we said we'd flip the elevator and the shoots for the residents. So the shoots would come down where the elevator is located. And then we have all this space
which we labeled manager's office, but it's not the manager's office. It's going to be a separate shoot for recycling, a separate shoot for uh obviously, you know, household scraps. So, and then the collection point would be right through here and would have to be done at a certain point where uh you
know they can access it from from actually from the parking lot from the parking lot side and and then obviously all the regular trash from the other uh other residents. In terms of materials for the building, uh we have it again with all brick uh going all the way up all four stories. Uh we have large
format windows. Uh we have pre-cast heads all across the uh storefront. Now, the storefront is this is our 60 foot depth of the retail space and our 64 foot uh width along uh along Harrison. Uh the panels of glass that are on
either side of the overhead door. Uh we just thought that that would just be opaque glass just to make it look like continuation of the storefront rather than just having a bunch of brick or or more metal work and then see the cars that are parked behind the glass. So, you really only see the overhead door.
Uh the glass is like shielding the look of looking into the side of a vehicle. Well, this would actually be the bicycles all here. This would be a vehicle on the on the west side over there. So, it's more it's more storefront. So, you have a nice continuation of the of the retail feel
all across the whole facade. Uh and then in terms of materials, again, we have large format uh Hardy Plane vertical sighting. We have Gordon Bon sighting. Uh and again, the same vertical sighting there. And as well when talking with the clients, we were talking about maybe changing the color scheme, lightening up
some of the tones. Uh the break I think was uh was always a home run. Uh maybe some of the materials would lighten them up uh to match the town homes. Uh the overall building height uh and that uh one gentleman on the board was talking about the 52 ft. Uh but the ordinance is
based based on the top of the roof structure. The parapit is purely decorative just to give that that that detail of of the uh of the parapit and the molding. What is the uh of course that is that for the people walking on the roof
there? The that No, in the middle. Yeah. In the middle of that in the middle on the top. Yeah. That's that's the staircase that comes up to the top. That doesn't include that's not a facade. No, that that's going to make it that would be a stair tower that comes up that that that four feet. Well, that
would be if I measure the top of the uh stair tower, uh that would probably be like another 4 ft. So, that would be 56 ft to the top of the stair tower. That's not included in that's not included. That's an exemption. Koopas and things like that.
50 ft. I have I have my query. Yeah, 50 ft. That's based on building height, which the building height would be based on to the top of the roof structure. So, we're we're well below that. We're a foot and a half below that. And again, we have a uh and I think we talked about that when we made
the initial presentation to Mayor and Council, you know, the 14T height requirement getting the gu, you know, the emergency vehicles in, you know, obviously, look, from a retail perspective, it's fantastic. They got great ceiling heights for, you know, kind of if it is a restaurant, nice high spaces, which is nice, but typically it's 12 ft. you know, it's not it's not
17' 7 and a quarter inches, you know, so the building's actually lifted up like five feet on the low side because the property falls off, you know. So, we have basically like a 14 1/2 ft high uh ceiling here. Actually, almost 15 ft and it goes down to 17'7 on the other side
because obviously West Prospect slopes down a bit. Can you provide more information on the construction type of all three buildings? Uh the town homes will be obviously uh light frame wood construction uh you know with brick
veneer uh so like any town homes that you see going up right now. Uh so uh TBAR mentioned that the buildings will be sprinklered. When you get the sprinkler it's a get out of jail free card in terms of the means and methods of construction because if you don't sprinkler it everything on the inside is fire rated up to the yin-yang. So every
duct penetration has fire dampers. Every every penetration for a light fixture has to have the special fire caulk you know. So 99.9% of all three-story towns are all sprinklered now. Uh so that's what everybody does. Uh
the apartment building uh typically the first floor underneath the parking garage would have a concrete deck or a two-air fire rated ceiling. You know, we haven't gotten into the means and methods of construction. This can be an allwood frame building. Uh the client is
is a pretty experienced heavy commercial guy. So, I'm thinking that it might be, you know, steel structure and concrete may go up with a wood frame for three stories, you know, but that's uh I think based on some of the comments tonight and the concerns of underneath that building, uh that should be examined of what happens beneath that structure.
Right. Right. Um you also speak more on the demising walls between the different apartment buildings and what the construction would be for that. Everything all the apartments, all the demising walls would all be one hour rated construction. Obviously, all the firewalls with the sprinklers in the town homes would only be a 1 hour rated construction. If there were no sprinkler, it' be a two-hour rated
assembly. And obviously, all the walls, even if they're one-hour rated, all the town houses are designed because, god forbid, it is a fire and for some reason the department can't get it under control. All buildings are meant to collapse individually without taking down the other ones. All the studs and bearing walls are independent. And
there's a liner panel of of of a a thick uh sheetrock that allows the building to literally fall in on itself without doing incredible damage to the adjacent adjacent structures. Uh you've seen that in some newer buildings where you see one building is gone and the other
buildings are still standing. So that's that's all the means and methods. John, keep asking questions. Is that okay? Sure. Sound rating between different uh units. Well, they have to comply with the STC of I think it's 55 or something minimum, but you know, it it depends on, you know, the level of quality that you
want to get. If you spray foam the walls and go with denser sheet denser uh denser sheetrock, you know, heavier uh 58 sheetrock, multiple layers, you just make the bu building better. Do you anticipate any supply chain problems with the uh the the like projects that
are being constructed out there today? Right now the problem historically in the last couple years with co and everything has been Yeah. You know what the biggest problem now with all construction site it's not necessarily a supply chain it's more labor. There's just not enough people to work it. You know you buy go by project sites now you
see four guys and it there's just nobody there. It's there's just not enough help. That's the biggest problem. Does your developer anticipate any developer's got multiple projects and has had problems with it. Uh, an example I can think of that went fairly quickly
is one Franklin. You looked at that one being built. That went fairly quickly. All occupied. Yeah. Got a question now. Hair cottage. It's bright white now with black trim. Is that going to blend in with Yeah, we didn't we didn't render that hair cottage, but I guess you could
certainly I can't see like we kind of like turned a blind eye on, but we could certainly look at that. So it doesn't look like it absolutely will you own that or is that um space up on top you renting that? No the space up
top of the hair cottage is the management manager's office. So you're renting that space one propert the the owner of the whole rental facility will have their manager there or superintendent. So haircutage is part of the project part of the project. Correction. Yes. An answer to
the question section five I guess it is rooftop structures and a pertinances shall not exceed a height of 10 ft above the roof. Would that in include a rooftop unit screening? It says rooftop structures and a pertinance other than elevator
shafts bulkheads and shall not be uh and shall be reasonably screened. It's It's an arrow right there. And I'm assuming there are RTUs on top of Yeah, there'll be units, but the parapit comes up like 4 feet plus and and we can locate them certainly in the center, you know, right down the center corridor wall. It'll be so far in from the corners and and the
building is is certainly taller than anything else, so nobody will ever see it. I have a question regarding your drawing on the West Prospect Street elevation. You stated that the garage is going to have an interior height of 14 1/2 ft. Correct. Well, your drawing
states that the garage door is going to be 13 and 13 feet five inches. Yeah, that's that's that, you know, that's a typo, you know, or my my guy because I scaled it tonight when I came there and it's 14 ft when I scaled it. So, I don't know why they put 134, but it will be 14 ft, sir. Obviously, you know, and then
uh the riser for the fire protection is going to be located where you know that we didn't design yet, but uh and that's going to supply all 42 units. No, there 21 units. 21. And is there
going to be fire protection in the townous? Well, you know, the systems for the town houses can be done in a 13D and it comes in off of the domestic water line, you know, so that doesn't require as an extensive system as the apartment building and the commercial thing. So,
you know, so is there going to be a fire pump? I I don't know, sir. We'd have to that has to be designed. If one's required by code, then obviously we put one in stipulate. They'll all be constructed as per code requirements. You know, we have to get the mechanical engineers in here, do flow tests, see what see what kind of pressures, and
then create the rooms for it. And the roof structure, is that going to be truss? More than likely, it'll be trusses. Uh, but I don't know. We don't know yet, sir. It's not designed yet. Because I think if I remember correctly
when we put the one across the street, there was a request from the fire department to change the roof design from a safety standpoint to not trusses to non-truses. I have questions when I can't tell. Okay. Okay. I'll let the fire chief ask
that question. Are the town houses rentals or are they going to be owned? Well, rentals at this point. Everything's a rental then. Well, rentals are a 15% factor for affordable housing.
Um, I have a question. Are um all the lots including the houses, the two family houses, um are these the ones that are occupied right now? And uh the owners, are they all in on this project?
Well, you have an application there with all their owners consents. Okay. Yeah. town houses. Do they have any piece of outside land, piece of cement, patio, any sort other than just what's on the
site, Madam Chairwoman, with their, you know, front lawn and I don't think site plan, but nothing in the back. It's just that walkway area that Tour made reference to, Madam Chairwoman. Yeah. And they are
part of that community room and um common space. Oh, for the apartment people, they'd have their um exercise room and and amenity space for the apartment people. Not town houses can't use that. Yeah, we didn't discuss that any of the meetings. Probably not.
Probably not. You know, just for the tenants themselves, you know, or else too many key fobs floating around. and the amenity room and the um fitness room have become, for lack of a better term, vote for these type of transit facilities as well as bicles, right?
Did I didn't hear before, but the t town homes are for sale and the apartments are rental. All rentals. All rental, even the town homes. Yes. But ownership, type of ownership, as Mr. Singer will confirm it's not within the prerogative of the planning board except
we've talked that it's all rentals because that's uh in the equation for affordable housing. 42 units bring you in for six affordables. Will there be an area for people to be outside of the building on top? No, sir. We didn't design a rooftop amenity
space. Some of our other projects do, but this one does not. I know the answer to this and I know your answer well, but can you speak more on the protection of the shoots, whether it be the trash or recycling shoots? We'll be in two rated enclosures for the fire separation. So, it' be all, you
know, fire rated assemblies both in that one room to go into and obviously getting down into the into the sho into the room itself. And plus, you know, a room will have its own separate ventilation system and so forth and so on, you know, for smells and so and whatnot. Thank
you. Anybody else on the board? I have one other question with regards to I don't it's the drawing I think that you showed the elevations of the town homes. Uh so all points will have egress
into the parking lot even the end units. Uh from the first floor for the end units and from the second floor for the middle units. Correct. No. Yeah. No sir. There's only four units. Well, I'm sorry. 10 10 through 16. That's seven
across here. Correct. Obviously, these are the real fronts coming in from the parking lot into ones through five. And then we have, you know, the real fronts uh on 19 through through 21. It's really these seven here that TBR
changed the grade a bit. and and and these are kind of you'll see on the rendering, you know, the grade starts falling off and you see more and more the of the ground floor, the first floor, and then you see less and less of it as you're going up towards uh towards
Frederick Street. Yes. But on the other drawing that you showed, the end units, there's a den on the first floor where the garage is that also has egress into the parking area, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, that that shouldn't have been that shouldn't have
been drawn because that would be below grade. This would be just perhaps a small window, you know, up high almost like a transom window or an awning type window depending on the grade conditions. You know, it's it's it's it's not, you know, there's different conditions based on the grading. So, it's it's it's each each individual
building will have to be drawn based on where TBAR puts his grades. Thank you. Anyone else on the board? Is there any plan to uh subdivide the retail space?
Subdivide or split the retail space? It could be. It's 3,500 ft. It could be more than one user. Planning board members. Good job. Very good. Audience, members of the public,
come on up. questions at this point and we have uh maybe just five minutes left. Frank Walsh 112 Lindberg Parkway testimony you're about to give the truth the whole truth and nothing but the sound you got. I do. State your
name. Mr. Han. Yes sir. The u multi- um story uh structure that's supposed to be NFPA 13 for fire protection. Uh yeah, for fire protection that'll be regular NFP 13, right? And then to D for town homes. So 13D for the town homes. Was any consideration given to uh 13 for the
the town homes instead of 13D? Uh well, that's obviously a more robust system with a separate line. Uh so uh all I could say is that we'll comply with code at this point. Okay. But that that's 13 days a minimum and 13 would be a far more superior system.
So the owner is saying that he's not well within the jurisdiction of the planning board for site plan approval. Construction requirements are not something the board can consider other than they have to developer has to be code compliant. I was just wanted to know what the developer thinking was in
terms of coming up with 13D versus 13. Well, we don't have any thinking yet. We know we have to be code. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Chief, you're still under oath. Thank you, sir.
Um, speaking from fire safety, um, the fire department is asking, I should say Sash requesting that instead of a 13D system, that is a full 13 system in there for the town halls. For the town halls, correct? Okay. We could just take it under advice. Take it under
adisement. Um we've asked for other places in town to do that and they fully complied with us. Um the other thing is um what Council Member Roando was saying before was um the roof um can that be made into dimensional lumber instead of
truss. I'm sure we could look at that. That's you know instead of trusses or you know because I I get it. You know, obviously several years back the code got changed cuz, you know, everything is all engineered lumber now, which is just basically a 2x4 on the top and bottom and a particle board and piece of
garbage in between. And then too many firefighters, you know, in unfinished basements that had fires were, you know, falling through it, which was horrible. So now the new requirement is everything has sheetrock on it to protect it. If it's if it's unfinished, you still got to sheetrock the ceiling. Uh that way at
least it protects the firefighters. uh you know so yeah dimensional lumber just chars and has a longer lifespan uh yeah we could certainly certainly look at that I'm I'm looking for the roof itself yeah um or if we just sheetrock the other side of the joist like as if it was a basement condition just to give you that added production and then all
the other duct work is below that I'd prefer it to be dimensional lumber instead of truss um regarding the parapit and the roof line the uh roof area is going to be used for what again no nothing it's just just uh condensing units, just mechanical equipment. Okay.
So, it's not going to be used for top access, nothing like that. No, sir. Okay. Um, previous properties in town that went up, we've asked, well, fire department will not be able to have access to the roof. Um, we can put our tower ladder up and it'll be a 4ft drop to it. Um, is there any chance that we
can have an access point in there where we could have um they put a six foot wide piece in there so we can uh put our bucket in there so we can get onto the roof safe safely? Remove the power pit completely and Oh,
I see. I see. I see. Well, yeah, sure. We could certainly work with the department and just, you know, come up with something that's removing the power on the hair on that, you know, and then create a section of missing parapit. That's where you get your bucket cuz you know, not that I don't care about the hair salon, but you know, it's not the
greatest looking building. So, I don't find it funny. So, so we'll we'll figure something out. You won't even notice it. Yeah. You wouldn't even notice it. Yeah. Yeah. So, that way then the fire department knows where they got to go, right? But how about removing the parapit completely if you're not going to have rooftop access and you're going
to be putting everything. No, it's part of the aesthetic, you know, just to get that But are we talking safety over aesthetics or aesthetics over safety? Well, it's a multi-million dollar building. You want it to look kind of nice, you know. So, the code permits the heights that we have. Looks good. So, we're going to go contemplates parapits.
So, we're going to go aesthetics over safety. I'm not going to debate the code. The code is the code. Right. Right. Right. That's what we're following. Yeah. That's true. Okay. So, my question again, we're going to go with aesthetics over safety. My
answer is the same. We're going to follow the code. Okay. Any other questions? No, ma'am. Thank you. Very good. I just I just don't find it funny that we're finding uh safety. I I just thought you needed a six foot section taken out. I didn't know. No, I know that. But you're standing here laughing at me as a I thought it was just the
side that you just needed to go on. So, how am I going to take my ladder and bend it around the side of the building? I'm not going to be able to do that. So, all right. So, we'll put safety behind instead. Okay. Thank you. Anyone else in the audience?
Seeing none, it's perfect timing. at the pause here and continue. Our logistics, we're good. So, I'd ask that this be carried to the May meeting without any further notice and we'll be prepared to address some of the issues that came up this evening and
we will be able to uh present to you our landscape architect and our traffic engineer. And of course, we necessary I can't grant any necessary extensions. We're not even with May 7th. May 7th. May 7th. Thank you. That's exactly what
we Thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Sorry, we got two minutes left. a moment out. I might. All right. Thank you. In case I think of something, I want
[Music] to thank you all. So, um I think next is uh old business. Any old business? Mayor's home. New business. Uh, you should have
received the email from Kelly, not Kelly, Melissa for your financial disposer disclosure. So, please take a moment to do that. It is so easy. Cory, you've done it before. Okay. So, everybody's done it before. Keep coming back. And, uh, May 7 is when we're
coming back. So, we're ready to adjourn. Motion to adjurnn. Stand second by Mark. Thank you so much. Why don't you leave them here? Take them with you. I gave November 19th.