You already have your Gentlemen, would you both stand? Raise your right hands. These are testimony about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth of God. Yes. Yes. Each of you state your name in turn, and you spell
your last. E N. Please be seated. In essence, we have two applications here. Which one are we doing first? The field is up first. So, sure. Just at the March 5th meeting, uh we went through the plans fairly thoroughly at that time. So, today we're going to just focus on
the soil moving aspect of it since that's what was requested the last time that we were in front of the board. For the field project, the majority of the soil moving comes from just stripping off the top soil from the field area itself. um a synthetic turf
is proposed and so we need to remove the um top soil. There's a larger than normal amount of top soil on this field because the other turf fields top soil was put on top. So that top soil is stripped off in order to have a more structural base for the actual new turf field that's being
put in. um that amount of top soil that's being removed um from the top soil removed is uh a bit about 5100 cubic yards. Um which again is just stripping off the top soil. There's not really much in which is essentially the
stone base for the field itself. Um we are lifting the grade a little bit in order to add some stone underneath the field in order to meet the storm water requirements um that is presented by the New Jersey D. Um the most up-to-date regulations that were published in 2023.
We of course made sure to adhere to all of those regulations. So we have a fairly large amount of stone coming in to go bene uh beneath the field to make sure we mitigate the storm water impact of the project. That quantity is about 5200 cubic yards, similar to the amount of top soil being brought off but a bit
increased. The strip top soil um is mostly going offsite um down Woff A um towards the Woff direction with some of it potentially going to the Trap Hagen School. Um though our understanding is that's not initially maybe more was
going to go there but at this point we understand that there's not much going there. So it's more likely going down Woff a for a very brief um stretch before it leaves Waldwick entirely. [Applause] We uh the school did discuss with the um
the police the route that could be taken to Trap Hagen, though again there'd be fairly minimal trips there since I don't think they want as much top soil as I initially thought they might there. Um the other note on there was about trees being removed in the application and we have three trees to
be removed though we are proposing about 24 new trees in the project. Essentially that is the summary of the soil moving for the field project. Are there any questions before we go to the soil moving for the uh parking lot? Yes.
I believe you said 5200 yards out and then 55 in. Um it's more like 51 and 53. Um but approximately so you're taking it out and then you're putting new stuff in uh
stone. Yes. So the the top soil itself you can't act in a structural way. So that has to be removed. Um the base that turf surfaces are installed on is a clean stone because clean stone allows voids where storm water can flow through the surface and be held in the stone
voids uh beneath the chief storm water. Couple questions. Um, this came up back with the football field. Is this the same system, generally speaking, is the football fields turf? Generally speaking, yeah,
they they they modified it. They've improved it, but yeah, it's different for, you know, the the football field systems are very flat because there's typically a track around them. Whereas this field is great. It's a very It might be the exact same turf product. We weren't around for the field project, for the football field project, but it's
the same manufacturer of the turf that they have worked with for all three of the fields at the high school area um that they like that manufacturer, it's worked out for the other fields. So, they're using essentially the same turf product. Okay. What is the depth of stone that you're putting down? Uh it's
a minimum of about 9 in plus 3 in or so of sort of a leveling course. That's a slightly finer stone. Um and then at the lower side where we're raising the grade um the thickness is more about two inch or two feet or so. Um essentially being that the grade is dropping off and we
are filling the grade um and so the space in between. Yeah. So it increases. So it's at a minimum uh 9 + 3 um and then on the other side it is 2 to 3 ft. There's also a perforated pipe that is collecting the storm water and directing
it. at that spot. It is also closer to I think about five to six feet um just for a short channel where the storm water pipe is the manufacturer of um years. That's what I was asking. Yeah, it it's it's
more of a for them it's more of a structural um that same thing when we put in pavement, you know, we typically have a DGA that's about 6 in. It's enough to be compacted um but not enough to drastically change the grade. Obviously, every inch of stone you put
in is more soil taken out in and their standards I think are you know nationwide and international whereas other states uh don't seem to care nearly as much about storm water. Um so there's differences in there of the structural aspect versus the actual
storm water aspect of it. Okay. You've got a 53 cubic yards of stone approximately. you have a source for that? Uh yeah, we have our storm water report. Um we have uh calculations from that. We also did a
surface evaluation in AutoCAD. On the um grading plan, we have section views that are cutting through the field that I could go through if you want to. Um we have a surface evaluation where we compare the proposed surface that we render in AutoCAD compared to the existing surface that was surveyed by
our survey team prior to the start of the project. Um so it comes up with a calculation. We adjust that calculation to account for other surfaces like concrete and things and the actual 2 in of the turf itself and you know subtracting some adding some we end up with our number. Okay. The source of the
imported material is certified in some form or fashion to be clean. Yeah, it's it's from local quaries. I forget exactly if we have or somewhere else till or somewhere else. uh typically till con or brain I don't remember off the top of my head where where the submitt came uh was um but I could
certainly provide that information after the fact. So we got 51 out and I gather this is already removed some of it they're mostly soil moving and doing demo at this point in the project. They're not too too far into it. Um they're again pushing soil
around and prepping the surface at this point. Okay. Do we have a do we have a figure that you can give right here and right now for the total cut? The total cut. Total cut. Um I mean that that 5100 is the is the total cut is the
total cut because again our our proposed conditions is all sort of raised up a bit. Okay. So yeah, I have a question. Have you encountered the But our contract documents call for the whole thing to be fully removed. So they have
done a little bit of exploratory uh excavation to to locate it field in the soil remover import of stone to compensate that if they're removing concrete that's additional concrete which again is not remove the concrete and add the stone. What about the leech
field that the leech field and the the the leech field is itself is made up of uh individual seepage pits. I think they recently found some of it that it was at least some of them are filled or partially filled with sand. Um, and so again, it's it's not too much additional
soil that'll be removed. It's just the actual concrete itself since the leech leech field is old enough to just be seepage pits. Has the uh the turf have they shown any proof that it's been sampled environmentally for any contaminants? I mean, we had a big problem a couple
years ago about sampling the turf metals and due do sampling. there obviously in national the allowed tolerances um as long as you're not eating it I think well it doesn't matter about the eating thing it's still it's still there and it could be there not I'm not not saying it's there could be there um metals were
a concern mercury was a concern a while ago and then now most recently the pas which is very well known in our specific testing information again I know this is the same manufacturer that they've used for the other products as well um we will have the submitts from the
manufacturer I know they typically use um they don't recycle rubber in the same way that some other products do. They have um the crumb rubber is cold fabricated I think is the the phrase that they use. Um but if there's material from the manufacturer that we need that's something that they could
provide that I don't have the levels of everything. There's obvious tolerances. You said that you're removing three trees and putting in 24. Correct. All around the perimeter of the area. Um they're mostly localized by Oak Place. So I think it's essentially that that that's the location of the field that's
the closest to um the neighbors there. So we have yeah 24 evergreens in that location. All the soils leaving W. Correct. Uh there there may be some that goes to Traphagen because it's it's all top soil. So if Trap Hagen needs more top soil, it may go there. um that was
accord our our contract documents say for all of it to be removed properly and disposed of um per the you know legal requirements for removing soil from the site and you'll advise us if you're not doing it you go into traffic correct that that's the school's decision of how
much they do or do not want sure and the police need to know and also our building department and you know the start time and how work is done in time that you have to start working you like daily time Yes. I Yes. I believe it's 7 to 7. Is that it? Okay. Yeah, we
we Yeah. Yes. That was that was discussed in our pre-construction meeting. Okay. Are you planning on working Saturdays? Not think that we have I don't have that. Then it's divided by
15 yards. It's roughly trucks. It's roughly a truck. 15 cubic yards. So if you divide the number that they have there roughly going you got to figure 10 100 150 150 maybe is going
you probably talked about this back in March when I wasn't here but the surface that's being coming turf is from middle school to high school. It's that whole back. Pardon me. Not the whole back, but a lot of it in order to accommodate both
the baseball field and the Yeah, if you can flip to the uh Yeah, probably 2011. Yeah. So, not the entirety of between the middle school to the high school. Um, you know, we we cut off essentially at the corner of the middle school and
go back at sort of an angle that follows the angle of the soccer soccer football lacrosse field that's going to there, which is be more of a practice slash maybe wreck league if the if the township wants to uh utilize it. Um, but yeah, by increasing it a little bit more, we were able to get a full-size
field onto there, which obviously has uh much more opportunity than if we had scaled it down to a, you know, smaller field. Once we realized we could fit it in there, the the school had hoped to go in that direction. Gotcha. Thank you. Mhm.
Any other board members have questions? Manager Jim, of course. I have a quick question. Um, regarding the storm water management, will you be able to provide a maintenance plan uh with which be a proposed outflow? Yes. Yeah. So, the the bureau has to report to D every year
major stormwater development. So this is one of the jobs we have to report to them every year. So we may want to make sure that they provide information to us. Sure. Paul, any questions? No questions. Thank you. Any board? Uh board. We're good for the moment.
uh questions before we call for questions from the public. Here's the way the questions sworn in. You do that then you don't get to ask questions and then if you want to make a comment there is a period for comment a little later. So
this is not for comments. This is for questions. Sorry. That's okay. Anyone in the public have questions at this time? Please come forward. name, address, you'll be sworn
in and I live at five place. Um, can you just move that mic over to her, Justin, please? Thank you. John Fosson. I live at Five Both Place. Hi, Mrs. Um, would you raise your right
hand, please? Do you see the testimony you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing about the truth? So, I'll do that. Yes. State your name and spell your last for us, please. It's Jerome F7 FY TL S O N.
Thank you so much, ma'am. Thank you. Um, my I have several questions. My one question is why I live right behind the high school. We were never notified at all that this was going on. We're not um
the board of education is the one that should be notifying you because this is only about removing the soil, not putting in the turf or changing anything about it. So the fact that you didn't receive anything from the board of education is not on the board, this
board or the town council. So you have to bring that question to the board of education. Okay. Um, this has become a real problem for Oak Place. We have trucks that totally block this. We
cannot get out. Split into the world of comment. Is there a question there? What can we do about it? I mean, it's like I was late for a meeting the other day. I could not get out because I had a truck that took the
whole street. I did call the police. What did they do? They came, they talked to the guy and basically they said, "Well, he'll only be here and then he'll be gone." Well, that was 20 minutes and
he left and they came back. So, it was going on all day. It was ridiculous. And we never knew about this um trucking of soil. Does this affect our land where soil may fly off these
trucks? That again is Well, actually, Mr. Finger, can you uh address the efforts that are made to keep the soil where it belongs? Um, yeah, the the
vehicles that are they should be leaving from Woff a when they were removing soil from the site. Uh, before the project started, we notified they should be leaving. We notified the contractor that the access points to and from the site are Whiteoff Fav. We will make sure to reinforce that to the contractor that
this has been going on for weeks and we've had like six trucks bringing soil out. Mhm. For All right. Well, he's just going to answer your question so we can't have conversations. Please. Um we we've instructed the contractor to use WOF a we will reinforce that um that
Oak Place is not the ingress or egress point for this project. Okay. And then I was wondering where is this water drainage going? Uh currently the whole field sheet flows uh into the brook there that is um sorry I'm losing the
you want to point to it. So there's a stream here that is down I want to say 40 or 30 feet uh below the elevation of the field. Currently that is where the water is going at this point. um there's an outfall out there and so the field is essentially the water goes through the
field into the stone below it gets directed to an outlet structure and that outlet structure releases the water from the site at a mitigated um flow volume. So we essentially did an evaluation of what water is currently going where um
for the peak flows to ensure that the post construction conditions will have lessened storm water impact um than what is currently there. Currently, I think the entire, let's just say right side of the field since we're looking at the plan, uh, flows, you know, off of the field and
down towards those houses. But now with the proposed conditions, that'll all flow directly through the through the turf surface itself and get directed through an outfall to the uh, river that is going along the left side of the building. And we also will definitely go
into the river and not into homes. Correct. and we did an evaluation of what's currently going out of that outfall and we're making sure that the water leaving that outfall in the proposed conditions are lower flows than what is currently going there. So we're collecting more of the field and sending
it to the same outfall but through the use of the stone that we're discussing as part of the soil moving permit. The stone will help us mitigate the flow that is leaving the site through that same outfall. Okay. Why did you remove so many trees? We we only moved a couple trees for this project. It was it was
three trees. One is because we had new steps that were needed. Um and I think two were essentially um along trees that we removed for this project scope. 24 are going 24 in. We're putting 24 new trees in. That's good. Yeah. You can see Ella,
can you point to the uh those locations? That's where the the 24 new trees are going in along Oak Place. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mrs. Bson. Thank you. Yes.
Good evening, Mr. Fidelson. How are you? I'm well, thank you. How are you? Just fine. Didn't cover everything. Okay. Just a couple. Dave, you got to do the same thing. Please. Microphone. Raise your right hand. You swear testimony about to issue the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but truth. So, God, I
do. State your name again. Spell for the spell the last for the record. David Fidelson. FY Ts O N. Live in five oak place. questions. Yes. Is the soil being tested
for any sort of toxic toxicity or any sort of uh that could be damaging to the public coming in or going out? I mean the answer is yes for both but um the solar removal that is coming in has to be clean so that'll be put underneath. Are we able to see the results or has
the results been publicized published so we know and if there is any sort of toxicity how are you going to protect the homeowners on the street because of the way that the trucks were going in and out of Oak Place with with the uh the soil and there pardon me but there
there were a lot more than just a couple of trucks removing the soil because there had to be at least five or six trucks during that period of time over beginning um the middle of roughly the middle of last week questions.
Okay. All right. Um was there a stop work order because of concern that you didn't have a permit for soil? It's not that uh this board does not issue staff work orders. Any would come from most
probably the building department and I don't think there were any. No comment. um there is of education sovereigns in a sense becomes murky as to whether these gentlemen even have to be here at all. The board insisted that
we would very much like them to come and they were very very willing to come. Yes. So from that perspective they're doing the right thing and even if the work has started it was going to start regardless and they're coming and they're showing their hand. So have any of you been to board of education
meetings? That's the question. But I'm not allowed to ask questions. Respect that from the record. Our our neighbors have Yeah. Okay. And off the record perhaps they were very dissatisfied with I recall going to
many us too. So uh I'm I'm I am concerned about that with the removal of the soil and as you said you're going to supposed to take it out off of Woff. I'll let you I'll I'll I'll let the planning board
know if more soil trucks come in and out. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Fileson. And just to follow up on that, we also have protocols for cleaning up on a daily basis after the trucks, right? And there are also mechanisms in place to see that the
truck tires actually don't carry their soil into the streets and whatever does get there gets cleaned up. Right. Thank you. And I think you're going to have to do that very well because you're going to have a lot of residents watching. Yeah. Many eyes and they have a right to
care about your town. Absolutely. Uh I do have a question. Um so when you say it has to go through Whiteoff A that means they have to be in the parking lot of the high school, the trucks. Um so that's closed to uh faculty points at you know either
side of the field. um you know going past the middle school or past the high school. Um so that the you know there's students parked there um that the parking lot is full. The parking improvements aren't starting until later when the students are dismissed for the summer. Um but on our logistics plan, we
had instructed the path out going through the parking lot, you know, obviously going through the drive areas um onto Woff a to to leave through the site. So, who will follow up with the trucks that are on Oak Place? May I ask? We
certainly will. Uh, and I know the the board of education noted that to the contractor at the start of the um the project. Okay. Um, on your end, that's up to you who to certainly. All right. Before the public, just one second. Mr. Amundo,
please. Yeah. question with regards to the use of the fire hydrant uh to use water on a daily basis. Uh is there any reason why they don't have a backflow pre on there as they should as per code? I was not aware they were using the fire
hydrant for water. Um our plans had instructed to get water from um for the new bathroom from the existing utility building which does have a backflow pretor. um they're starting the logistics of that um and so
we will certainly talk to them about that to to be using water from the fire hydrant rather than uh the school itself. Thank you. Ma'am, you waited patiently, please. Hi, Elise Ditabel. Uh 162 West Prospect Street. Hi, Mimo. If
you can raise your right hand, please. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth be to God? I do, but they're just questions. You stated your name, but please fill your last, please. D I T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T A M O. Thank you. Um, first question is the trees
that you removed. Do you know how old they were? Um, I don't know how old they were. We have diameters for the trees. Um, one was a larger tree that was close to the school and sort of overhanging a
retaining wall. Um, so it was removed to um provide the fire egress from the back of the school down towards the field. Two of the other trees were smaller. I think about 12 in or so um the diameter for the field project. And I know you said you're bringing in 24 trees, but
you're bringing in 24 evergreens. Uh yes, you're not bringing any deciduous trees that would provide oxygen to that. That is for the um I believe the parking lot project has some deciduous trees. Um though for our project it was more thinking to provide evergreens for that.
Um as you can see during the spring and fall there's a lot of leaf um cover and then having evergreens there also provides additional cover for the rest of the winter months. So, the turf, I know you said it's going to
drain underneath and flow in a certain way to make it less storm water because some of these streets have already been, you know, inundated with some storm water. I don't know when this survey was done because I'm just over and not um
idling. So, um, with the turf versus grass, how much water is seepage down in the time frame? Will it the turf make it seep slower? Uh, that's an interesting question. Um when we do our
storm water calculations um there's guidance provided by national atmospheric and oceanic calculate differences between grass. We essentially model it as a basin that holds water underneath the field. So though we we essentially model it going
from a grass area to essentially what would be a parking area and then have to mitigate it as such even though personally I believe it it is less impactful than a parking lot. Um but we are able to model how the water will be held under the field and slowly released from there. Um we also did percolation
tests prior to doing the project which revealed that the field did in fact have a pretty um pretty good per percolation rate of water going through the soil. And so the system where we hold it underneath the field will allow sort of the lower half of the turf field to
continue allowing water to absorb into u the subsurface there. Thank you. Does the turf get hotter than regular ground? Uh, it can. The the
school did uh I believe I they they purchased the turf surface on their own. It wasn't part of our contract, but it's my understanding that they got the the turf infill, which is what makes the field soft. The infill they got was an infill that is supposed to resist heat and cool the field. I think it was
somewhere along 20 to 40 degrees or so to prevent some of the higher heats that are are seen in some turf fields because as you know everything is getting hotter right now. So the less trees and the more imperous ground you have the hotter the atmosphere around it. Questions
going to be what are you doing about um any of the wildlife in the area? Uh we did have our land use team go out the body of water that is going along the property. Um we and actually I think Boswell in 2021 uh
did a similar study to to figure out the wildlife that in that area and the dependency on that water course and that the D places a an offset a repairarian zone offset for the field itself. Um so for this water body there's a 50 foot repairarian offset essentially meaning
that from the top of the uh bank top of bank 50 ft back from there you can't disturb any of that. So all of our improvements remain outside of that um 50 foot offset to make sure that we're not field area. So everything that has been converted to grass which once something's converted to grass is typically seen as not part of the
ecosystem. Um so it's all remaining inside that grass area. So we're not encroaching any farther than that. And the minimal amount of trees is is uh you know on the side. It's not towards the river itself. It's just in No, I know where those I know where those trees are. I know where the owls lived in that
tree. That tree. Um when was the water study done? I know that there was a study done at some point and I'm wondering what time of year it was done. The uh the percolation tests. Yeah. Um there was notifications
going around that there was going to be some Oh, so studies done last year that I believe was over the summer. I think they went out and did it maybe in July. Yeah, I think it was last summer. Okay. Because we had a high water level last summer. So, I wanted to make sure that
the study was done when we were pretty much at our height. Yeah. We we started our project essentially in July and August and and started our investigation at that point. And the storm water ke the the percolation test and things rates that we did were were done around that same time. And my last question was
just on the letter that came out said this was a hearing. So is it not a hearing? It is a hearing in that what you have to understand is
they the board through their engineers did present this is just for the soil movement and as such we're giving a little bit of latitude but there's only so much
latitude we can give we can't revisit the whole project I So really it goes to soil movement, the effects of that soil movement relative to where the water goes and whether it is
retained on site in accordance with site improvement standards and whether it is directed outwards in an appropriate manner and consistent with law. Just one last thing. Sure. you um mentioned that there might be a pipe or tube of some
sort under that was going to push the water in a certain direction or did I misunderstand what I heard? No, that's that's that's correct. It it directs the water to the outflow structure. Um but once it gets to that outflow structure, um the structure itself has a number of
outflow points that are all that start small and get bigger for incrementally larger storms. So though the water is directed to the outlet structure, the outlet structure immediately throttles the water that is going there. So the pipe itself is more in service of the structural subbase um to allow the water
to go out without um potentially moving the soil underneath the and that's along the drop down. Is that correct? Like along the stream? Yes, it's it's along um too which is Okay. Thank you. Yeah, no problem. Thank you, Mrs. Dudimo.
Thank you. Anyone else in the public have questions? Mr. Penture, could you speak quickly to the um comparison between the percolation of the uh of time to see what the most strict result that we get
and then having it to do our calculation. Um so we utilize the percolation rate at a very reduced amount to do our calculations as the percolation rate is beneficial to our calculations. So we basically have it to make sure we're not over assuming anything. Um but the there's a a little
bit difference um which is why we hold the water underneath the field whereas a typical field the grass itself um it it absorbs some of the water itself for utilizing for the grass. It's getting absorbed all the way down. Whereas whereas we throttle it. Yeah, we
throttle it before it goes out so that that same water can go into the ground and can be um released from the field slowly. Thank you. Uh time for comments. Were there any
other questions? Nope. There were none. All righty. You have another question, Mrs. Files. Um that river you're talking about that dead ends at Oak Place. So where else does it go? Uh there is a a pipe that
goes underneath the road there. It it continues just not surface flow in that same way. That goes underneath the road. Yeah. Okay. And where does it flow to? White Pond or where does it go? I don't know
off the top of my head. Um, the New Jersey does map out where all these go once they're piped and go underneath. I think that's something you should look into. Yeah, I I did look into it. I just didn't memorize before this meeting. Yeah, because if that pipe ends up at a road, then that water is going to come
up. Yeah, it it obviously the the water right now goes to that location. Um, so it goes somewhere. Obviously, again, we we looked into this. I didn't memorize it, but it continues going through a pipe. It doesn't it ends as a river but it does not end as a water course if that makes sense. Um and the flow going
to that is lessened. You know the peak flow of the water going to that is lessened. So we have a beneficial impact to potential flooding to anything downstream of our project area. I hope it doesn't flood. Me too. Thank
you. I'm not being flipped. I would assume that given the fact that we don't have an oak place pond, it has to be going some it has to be released somewhere. Yeah. So dead ending is really not necessarily an accurate
um description. No, I can answer that question. It it does fall to the uh the dam. There's an outfall in the dam. Ah, makes sense. Yeah. Thank you, J. Figured it go. Can I ask um Mr. Mayor also this is for
the c for the town question also the on and m plan is monitored by the board of ed their own consultant or or is the town going to be monitoring that or because the annual inspection has to be done every year has to be done by um an engineer and I'm sure either I'm assume
the high school's going to or the board of ed is going to hire them to do that um and they have to go through you'll be looking at that on plan I assume at the same time yes that's that's correct review everything for the board of education require ired to do that. Obviously, the town's there to enforce that. They they do do it. So, um there's
there's procedures already in in uh in place to send out reminder letters, things of that nature. Um you know, with the annual permit like you mentioned. Yeah. And the question the the uh you talk about the concrete outfall, everything the um pits under I guess
they're not they're not open pits underneath it. The the concrete open pits or or tanks per se. They're gravel pits that hold back the water. Correct. Correct. Yeah. They're not, you know, open tanks. Correct. That is that is one of the ways that uh storm water can be
handled, but in this circumstance, we're relying more on on the gravel brought in. A gravel. Okay. Comments from the board. Uh comments from the public. And Mr. Yes. Thank you.
Um the your answer to the question about when the water testing was done. I just want to say that I received a letter from LA dated October 24th. That should have been the starting point of the
request for the water testing because if the water testing was before that, it would seem that that was basically useless. It's it's not really water testing. Um the notification that you guys had gotten was essentially notifying that we were submitting
information to the DP based upon the study that we had done for the repairarian zone and the flood hazard area from the water course that's by that location. So the the notice that you got was similar to the notice that people have to provide before going to the planning board to essentially say
that something is being done. So we had done it prior to that um you know in the months in the end of summer and early fall and then the notification itself was saying that we are submitting to the D and the D has a requirement themselves to notify everyone within 200 ft of the
property. Uh that that see that to me that seems a bit confusing because you're getting a letter and it doesn't tell you any of the results or what the purpose was or anything else. So I just wanted Sure. I just wanted to point out the date of the letter that I got. The
other question is regarding or statement is regarding the 7:00 start as you're aware of. Sure. Prior to 7:00 still making a lot of noise and didn't they they did I'll admit they didn't start moving until 7. Sure.
But again, that does cause some problems and again it's steady traffic up and down our street throughout the day and it's it's ruining the the street. Sure. I know. So, I'm just leaving that open for the I don't know, but I think we do
have an ordinance. Yeah. And the one the one day I that looked at it, there were two trucks on our street and two trucks on West Prospect that they at 7:00 they did start to move. Call out PD. They're there at 6:00 a.m. Well, now the now the
planning board knows. Yeah, we can't enforce that, but you can call the police for them to enforce it. But that's comments from the public. Seeing none, Mr. is it your turn? Tell me, is there anything else you wanted to
say to sum up? Uh, no. I did look up on our site plan that at the end of the water course when it goes under the street, it's a 3ft x 6t cover going under there. So, that's where it gets underneath the water, just in case anybody was wondering. Thank you. Thank
you. This is regarding the parking lot at the high school. Thank you again for having us tonight. Um, so this is regarding the parking lot project. Uh, just a very quick overview. We are proposing a smaller parking lot down to the south
that used to be a grass area and then grass area primarily for regarding the soil moving uh portion of this application. We are estimating a total cut of 1,380 cubic yards. 442 uh cubic yards is the soil removal for
the storm water basins located in the there's one in each proposed parking lot. I'm sorry, forgive me. Could you repeat? Uh it's 1380 for the cut. Yes. And then your next figure was a,000. What? 442. Not a,000. 442. Okay. 442.
And that is the um drainage. Correct. The soil removal for the storm water basins, the subsurface storm water basins, hardscape surfaces. So that includes uh the parking lots that re uh includes the walkway. So essentially the tops will that'll need to get replaced
by the concrete and by the stone uh base for that. That's regarding the cut. Now regarding the back fill, uh we are estimating 730 cubic yards of stone backfill that needs to be brought to the site. 220 cubic yards of that is for the
storm water basins. So essentially you have these plastic um chambers that are surrounded by stone that uh facilitate and holding of additional storm water and 510 cubic yards of stone for the hardcape surface. So this is your stone
base for the road uh for the parking lot and for uh the walkways. Approximately 450 cubic yards will be moved within the site. So this is to raise elevation.
Um and 930 cubic yards we are estimating of soil that'll need to get removed offsite total with two parking lots. Correct. The top parking lot is just mill and rebave. So they're they're only taking away uh we're doing a little bit of
surface adjustment there, but again prime primarily it's uh milling and repaving. So they're taking out inch and a half two inches of uh of the top and then repaving that in. And uh very similar to the athletic field, if any top soil is needed at the trapagen, they
will follow the very via Woff Avenue. And you say you're adding parking spaces to the correct correct sections. Essentially, other than these two parking lots in this area that we are adding in completely new, we are repositioning uh the existing parking
spaces at the high school were positioned at a 60° angle. So when you could pull in easily by reconfiguring them to 90°, we're able to fit in a lot more parking spaces as the high school needs even more than this. But you know this was all that we could get on site.
What's the total number of spots? Sure if you give me. So we are having a net gain of 76 parking spaces and a net gain of 48 uh parking
spaces. So total of 80 spaces all in. That's a lot of spots. Great. But you're taking all that grass out from the sidewalk back from here and here. Yeah,
that's a lot of none of the pavement. Has the soil been taken out? I know they started work. Uh they may have started uh with the soil movement. Um but they did start work at the site. We are we'll have to once you have it all aggregated till June if I'm not
mistaken but the contractor had availability earlier and then the board of ed accepted that earlier availability as they really need to get moving on this project so it started earlier so correct it should have been stockpiled until everything was ready and then it
would have been taken off site and what did anything the project can be same time as the other one or hopefully sooner. Um we were we were preparing from June to about August if I'm not mistaken. Um before school starts. Yeah. Before school starts. Before school
starts. Correct. But based since they started earlier, they may even finish before the athletic field. The the field has a few longer lead items. So expected to be functionally done but with a few things that need to be finalized. Same rules apply,
folks. First, we'll have questions from the board. Anyone? Any trees coming down over there? Are there any trees in that area? Correct. We are removing um 13 trees.
I'm sorry if you said that. Yes, 13 trees are being removed and we are proposing to replant One second. We are propo proposing to replant nine. Um and then there's uh in order to comply with the town ordinance
regarding tree replanting, we are also uh having four of those trees count as part of the athletic field project since they are part of the same project. The two projects together have adequate tree. The trees are being the trees are being removed so that you could accommodate the correct primarily for this lower lot. I could show where the
trees are. So primarily uh we have five trees located down in that southern portion and we have four other trees located in that northern lot and then the other trees are located within the existing parking islands. So essentially those all needed to be removed in order to
extend the parking lot and they removed the right. Um yes. Thank you board. Good. At the moment you're not doing anything with the road that goes to the north down there at all. This roadway it
will be milled and repaved and repaved. They're not widening it at all or No, it it'll remain the same. You going to pave the grass? Pave the grass that's over there. They shouldn't. No. Yeah. because you're already paving a lot. But any curbs that are going to be replaced? We
have it so that um essentially any there's a unit price built into the contract. So any curbing that's needed to be replaced and the board if they have the budget for it, they'll they'll replace it. Okay. They're not putting any sidewalk along that road at all. No,
no sidewalks proposed at this time. That sidewalk. All right. Public [Music] questions. Seeing ma'am, I just can't see the picture. And I'd like to see the picture. Go right ahead. You can show me
where those trees are. I'd like to see which grass areas. Sure. Taking out because Can I see the come close and see what what streets are there? I'm sorry. Uh the trees are located primarily along Woff a so it's that. So they're the front side. Yes. So these are the trees
along Woff that are being removed in that first lot and then the remaining are well within the parking lot. So you may not be able to see them from the street. But are they those little islands? Yes, in the island but also where they have the um flowering trees. Correct. So we are removing the trees in
those islands and then also in these other locations. Okay. [Applause] Anyone questions? Seeing none comments forward. We're good. Any comments from the
public? Seeing none, gentlemen, thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate your time and your expertise. Truly, thank you. Thank you for having us. Thank you.
Safe travels home. Thank you. And we need a motion. Uh board members, we do need to motion to uh approve the soil moving permits for both. Uh motion
Joe M and mayor. And that would cover both to make a statement. Yes, sir. Real quick, um, since we're you want us to make a vote on that, they already started the job. So, what do we what do we approve it? Just I approve. We we we have no no say
in what to do as far as that's part of the record. Unfortunately, it's they're here as a courtesy. I don't I and I I appreciate them coming here courtesy, but we're vote you're you're you're asking us to vote on a on a courtesy now. And the fact the problem is that that we're we're approving a permit that
they've already started and done. So they basically Yes. They've ignored this the planning board. The board of ed should have come. Look, to be blunt, how many times do people come in with projects they've already done without
permits and this board or the zoning board then retroactively approves them. Happens all the time. It shouldn't. I don't disagree with you, but it becomes a question of
practicality. I understand it and your comment is well placed. I'm not saying it isn't. And it is part of the record. So, we appreciate that, but we will continue with a motion to as a courtesy that we'll continue. I don't
think you need to stay for that, but thank you for Thank you again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. And we did have a motion by Joe and a second by Mayor. And that covers both. Um, roll call, please. Mr. Clemente, yes.
Mayor Gano, yes. Mr. Bort, yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. F. Mr. Gowski. Yes. Mr. Mistlewick. Yes. Mr. Piligo. Yes. Mr. Panile. Yes. Mr. Shack. Epstein. Mr. Schultz.
Thank you. Uh, next, continuing the site plan and soil moving permit for Harrison Avenue redevelopment 25-1. Thank you for your patience, Mr. Whitaker. No problem. Madam Chair, it's good that you walk around. And Madam
Chair, Mr. Singer and Mr. Whitaker, as I did previously, I'm forced to recuse myself. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Frink, I think you're up. For the record, Mr. Frink is now on board. Mr. Mayor recused himself.
Good evening, Mr. Whitaker. Good evening. Good evening, Mr. Ch. Ready for go? I didn't know if you still doing this. Okay. Good evening, Mr. Chairwoman, members of the board. Just for the record, Bruce Whitaker from the firm McDonald Whitaker. Uh on behalf of the applicant, this is a continuation of
the public hearing that was commenced at the last meeting. just to give you a very brief overview. Uh at the last meeting we concluded the testimony pertaining to um our civil engineer uh and he confirmed that the application itself was basically variance-free and
what we were proposing and it met the conditions of the ordinance that u we were working under. Uh on the second uh witness that we had Mr. Zamplin uh testified as to the architectural elements uh and on the basis of that we concluded the hearing. There was one
issue that they explained and that had to do with uh with the uh with the parking lot. Uh the gate's gone. Okay. So, there will not be a gate or or door there. And so, the entry uh issue that we wrestled with a little bit is no longer an issue. So, with that said,
what I'd like to do this evening is introduce our next witness, Mr. Moore, who is going to go over the landscape aspects of this. And then from the purposes of uh finishing our presentation, we have our tra traffic experts uh in benefit of his report. So
unless there's any questions of me, I would have Mr. Moore sworn in. All right, Mr. Moore, would you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear the testimony of application be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to God? Yes. Please state your name. Spell your last. Sure. It's
William Moore. M O R E. Thank you. Mr. Mr. Moore, would you give the board and members of the public the benefit of your education and professional background? Sure. I am a uh New Jersey
licensed landscape architect. Uh I received a bachelor of science. I received my initial lensure in 19 in 1999 in the state of New Jersey. The landscape architects are licensed under the board of architects in New Jersey. Uh I've been practicing in this area for
roughly 30 years. Uh I'm a the president of the firm more design landscape architects. We're a relatively new firm with about a year and a half experience. Prior to that I was the lead landscape architect uh for Cypriano landscape design for 20 years and prior to that I
was a landscape architect and project manager with land concepts in Franco Lakes. We ask that Mr. the board be qualified as an expert witness in the field of landscape architecture and be able to render a professional opinion in that field. All right, ladies and
gentlemen, Mr. Moore has demonstrated his both experience and his education with respect to landscape architecture. As such, he's been qualified as an expert in that field. the difference between an expert witness and opinions and give them to you. To
the extent that you find those opinions to be helpful, you are absolutely allowed to rely upon. However, if you find either the opinion or the underlying facts upon which the opinion is based to be questionable in your
mind, you do not have to rely upon them. You are not mandated to. So, use Mr. Moore for the help that he can give you. Mr. Ricker, thank you. Mr. Bora, you've been retained by the applicant for purposes of creating the landscape design for this project. Am I correct?
That is correct. And on the basis of that, you have prepared plans and we have them marked on your exhibit list already as A14 and A15. Those are plans that were designed by you, which has a date on it of February the 6, 2025. That is correct. Andions of the same
plans that were submitted to the board. So what I would like you to do is take us through this project step by step as to what type of landscaping is being proposed for this project. Okay. So these plans are uh oriented the same way as the site plans that were previously
submitted. These are drawn at a scale of 1 in equals 10 ft. So you can uh they're enlarged so you can see them a little bit better. The first sheet that I have up is sheet one. It is the uh the north portion of the site. So we have
Frederick Street and then continuing along Harrison Avenue on this section. Uh the proposed plantings are shown in these larger circles. These are actually the proposed trees for the site. So these there's three residences with pull-in driveways. What we have are
one, two, three, four proposed trees along Frederick. The trees in this area range from green spire lynen tree to uh constellation dogwood to a few
amalancers on this section here. As we turn onto Harrison Avenue, we have a repeating street tree motif where there are green spire lindons, the larger circles here and here shown here. I'm
going to pick up uh sheep two here for a moment so I could just continue on with the street tree planting. Continuing along Harrison Avenue, the larger circles are the Greenspire Londons, one, two, three, and then a repeating
uh paper bark maple. the the street tree and the streetscape is uh proposed to be a combination of trees, shrubs, perennials, and ornamental grasses along the residences as well as
the uh along the sidewalk there's pavers. They're either breaker or concrete pavers along this area for foot traffic. And then on the other side of the sidewalk at each plant turf line where wash out along the street. So it
provides a very clean appearance along these areas. Continuing along Harrison Avenue, we go up West Prospect Street where it's the entrance into the rear parking portion of the site. We have some foundation plantings along the the
building portions. These plantings range from uh mostly shrubs, but they're boxwoods and ornamental grasses like fountain grass through into the enclosed parking space in the in the center of the buildings. We again are repeating
some street trees along this space to break up the buildings and also give some shade in this space. So what we have are Princeton Sentry Ginko trees on this portion of the building. And then on this side over here we have another
Greenspired Lynden as well as sheet one here to show the rest of the interior parking lot area. Just coming along we have two more Princeton Century GKO trees softening this building in this space. There are some plantings at the back
side of the building along this walkway where there's an entrance into this building over here. Those are consisting of holl and hydranches. And Mr. Boore, you're uh been doing this for a number of years as a landscape
architect. The type of design you're proposing here, would it be correct to say that this design basically is the type of design for landscaping aspects for a streetscape? Yes, it is. It's it's greatly improved over the existing streetscape conditions that are there.
And then we also worked with the municipal uh code in the performance standards number 97-85E. Landscaping shall be provided as part of the overall site plan design and integrated into building arrangements, topography and parking and buffer
requirements. Landscaping shall include trees, bushes, shrubs, ground cover, perennials, annuals, plants, sculpture, art, and the use. So what we've tried to do is not just create a monoculture with these plants and just repeat the same
four plants across. We have a very diverse plant pallet shown on this plant schedule on the top of the planting plants. And uh there is a repeating motif as we go along starting with the trees and working down to some of the
foundation shrubs in those areas. You've had the uh benefit of looking at the architectural plans prepared by Mr. Zamplin. Correct. Yes, we have. Would it be correct to say that the landscaping you're proposing uh interior on the site as well as on the streetscape itself
will complement uh the architectural plans that have been submitted? Yes, they will. We've tried to create h just a little bit of softening of the architecture and uh trying to bring those trees away from the building so that you have a nice buffer between the
roadway and buildings. You've had the benefit and I reviewed with you the Boswell report of March the 26th, 20125. Yes. Yes. Direct your attention to paragraph 37. Uh there are some comments made in the Boswell report and let's just go over them an overview. Uh
there's a request at paragraph A um that the one green mountain boxwood if you can point that out at the western building area off West Prospect Street can that be accomplished. Paragraph B says uh and request that we um provide a diverse multi-layered comprehensive
design. Um the testimony you've provided now in your professional opinion is this a diverse multi-layered comprehensive design? Yes. Uh C is the applicant shall address any landscape lighting proposed proposed. Uh we were not uh brought on to do the
landscape lighting design. So no, there's no landscape lighting design proposed on these plants and we'll stipulate if it's something that we think needs to be done at a later date, we can do that. But uh could be it would be a field change, but obviously we're going to meet all of the lighting uh
ordinance conditions that was testified to by our civil engineer at the last meeting. um will stipulate to paragraph D of the report that there will be a two-year guarantee for planting. It's a recommendation by Boswell and we will adhere to that. Next, uh Mr. Moore, uh
the mulch that's going to be used, no red dye mulch, correct? Dyed mulch. So, we could stipulate that it's on the plans as needed. But yes, no dyes. Okay. Um landscape performance bond we're stipulating obviously has to be uh posted. And then it says planting notes for the nursery stock, installation,
warranty, uh etc. um has been sat satisfactory provided on the plan. So in essence, Boswell is concurring with the um detail that you've provided. Correct. That is correct. And if I can just I going to jump back to item B. Um we do
uh propose to have irrigation for the entire site as well. So as part of planting like this, we there will be an irrigation system installed. And in your professional opinion, the types of plants that you are proposing uh and can
thrive in these locations um on this property. Yes. Yes. We specifically plant used all these planting selections for this type of uh environment. Thank you. I have nothing further. Thank you.
Uh board members, we have questions. Is there um how tall are the trees you put in? So the trees are gauged by uh caliper size. So the so the caliper but just for an example trees like that uh those will probably be 12 ft high. The
uh greenspire lynons along the road those are also at 3 to 3 and 1/2 in caliber. Those trees will probably be uh 12 feet plus tall at time of installation. And and this is leading to my other question is um Harrison has uh
all the uh overhead wires that run along that that side of the road. Correct. And your trees are going to get into those wires. I'm not I don't know what the question is here, but it's I just wanted to point it out that you're putting trees under and there's a substantial
number of wires there. Three or three or four or five wires that they get may get caught up in there in the future. I'm at right now from 12 foot high in the apartment. I'm sure they're going to be land they're probably going to be talking about um trying to uh trim them the bushes. Right. And so the selection
of the trees was also considerate of that. We're using more of a um pyramidal tree. So it's a green spire lynen. Correct. So the larger trees along Harrison are uh selected for that reason. That there was a storm water management
system. No, they will not. Um, primarily I saw a few iterations of the plans. Most of the storm water was in this parking lot area as well as in between the buildings. So, there are no tree plantings in the areas of those storm water management. I will note that from
the prior exhibit, we saw stormware management systems on the back of the property uh towards the back side of the town houses. I believe that wraps around the backside and to be mindful of that. Okay. It's done for that purpose. I believe last time we also spoke about
the light in the light level started to drop towards the town houses on the back. The trees being installed, will they impact any light levels coming from the town houses onto that access way? You refer to the uh five town houses at
the top. Um I don't believe there are any light posts on that side and that the light level started to drop as they hit the main access way going left to right. Okay. Um, prior testimony said there would be residential lighting on those town houses. I'm unsure if the
trees being planted in front in front would diminish that lighting onto that access way. Not really. These these trees are set up to be uh street trees whereas the branching starts at 8 ft and higher. So, uh, any light can spill out
into this area. Thank you. I have a question. Yes. Do you know how many total trees have to be removed as part of the whole project? Yes. I uh I saw the plans from uh Conklin Associates and read the minutes from the last
meeting. There were 22 trees proposed to be removed on those plans. I went and walked the site uh just this week just to assess the trees that were in that area. So uh a few of the trees were dead and then a number of the trees were
Norway maples. Norio maples aren't planted commercially anymore. So most of those trees have probably are an invasive species. So of the 22 trees, about half of them were either dead, in decline, or this Norway maple species that I'm speaking about. So you're
replanting pretty much equal amount, but you remove. So we're replanting 18 deciduous um ornamental and shade trees in the project. And then there's also 11 evergreen trees. So the total number is
more than what's being removed. And second question, will there be an irrigation system? Yes. Yes, there'll be an irrigation system for all these plantings. Anyone else on the board? Jim, I think we can ask the
same applies. You'll be sworn in. Raise your right hand, please. The swear testimony you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to God. I will. Please state your name and your address and spell your last name. My
name is Patricia Hartig HF. Thank you. Mr. Whitaker, can you move that mic for her, please? Certainly. Thank you, sir. This is just questions, right? Yes, ma'am. Um, when will we get to our concerns when I can come in and comment comments and concerns about this whole
project? Uh, well, we've been hearing about the project. This is our second or third month. Um, I haven't been able to express my concerns about You could have anything you you could say anything you'd like when it's comment time, but right now it's question time. Okay.
Comments comments will come at the end of the the presentation presentation. I'm having the entire um Okay. My my biggest um What are you doing, you know, about drainage there with the gardens? We have a real water problem on Harrison
A. I have three pumps. What will you do to alleviate the water problem? Now you're digging up all the soil. You're removing trees that drink water. What are you going to do about you know not having that much plantings that big trees that are
going to drink water? What are you doing for that in your gardening like for drainage? The site engineer designed all the drainage for the site. So the site engineer testified at the last meeting testified as to the drainage aspects.
testified that the drainage plan that's being proposed meets all of the design criteria promagated by the state of New Jersey and that was confirmed by the board engineer and the engineer the civil engineer took into account what was being planted here as part of the
overall drainage scheme and obviously the sprinkler system is something that the civil engineer proposed. We stipulated at the last meeting and we confirmed again tonight to have those plants grow. And we are planting more trees now than are being removed, but they're not as big. Understood. But it's
all been taken into consider. Okay. I'm worried about the infrastructure and the water and so forth. What's being done? You know, are we going to have water pipes breaking like the other side of town? Drainage aspect of this uh testimony or um his
expertise. I'll just um he's a landscape architect. Okay, I understand that. Thank you, ma'am. Anyone else in the public questions? Yes, ma'am. Sorry. I just have a Mimmo, you're still under oath. Yep. Um is there your name?
Okay. Elise Ditimo. D I T A M O and your address. 162 West Prospect Street, Waldwick, New Jersey. Okay. But I'm still under I didn't realize still under um was there any thought to putting any kind of park
benches into the landscape proceeding? You know if it's part of a revitalization project then we weren't brought in to you know talk about any public spaces for that really it was the planting design and some of the streetscape landscaping that we were
doing. We met the criteria of what the ordinance required, including location for bicycles and things like that. Nothing in the ordinance though about benches. Okay. I didn't think there was an or That's a good question though. I like it. But if it's a revitalization project, I I'll
comment later. Thank you. Anyone else questions? Seeing none. Comment time for the board. Any comments? Any questions?
Oh, we haven't That's okay. It's my bedtime. Just saying. Calling Mr. Polyc to be sworn in. Sir, would you raise your right hand? Use her testimony of rap shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the true self of God. I do. If you could
state your name, then spell your last. Sure. It's Douglas Paliniac. He is in Peter. Background. Sure. I am a graduate of uh Lehigh University. I have a bachelor's of science and civil engineering. I acquired that degree back in 1998. Since that time, I've been
working in the field of traffic engineering. Uh I've been a licensed traffic engineer or engineer in the state of New Jersey for approximately the last 21 years. Uh I've testified before uh approximately 110 to 120 municipal boards in the state of New
Jersey. This is my first time in the bureau. So I'm looking forward to that opportunity. Welcome qualifications. Thank you. I would ask that he be qualified in the field of uh civil engineering specifically as a traffic engineer and be able to provide a professional
opinion in that uh field. All righty folks the um same provisos that we have he is expert opinions but you absolutely should give them consideration and determine whether you accept them or not. Thank you. Yes
absolutely. and surrounding the site and prepared a traffic impact assessment report uh dated April the 22nd, 2025. Correct. So for the benefit of the board and members of the public, I would like you to explain uh the basis and foundation of what you do to prepare a
report and then take us through the aspects of the report and your conclusions. Yeah, absolutely. Um like we said, we prepared a April 22nd, 2012 peak hour site draft traffic associated with the development. Um, do traffic counts to examine existing peak hour
conditions, create a future condition or conditions with and without the proposed site traffic, and determine if there's any uh degradation in what we refer to as levels of service or delay for traffic movements at the adjacent intersections during those peak hours. The peak hours we look at are
essentially the morning and evening rush hour time frames because those are the times when both the roadways and the site will be at their busiest. Uh so what we did is we um first we looked at the trip generation for the apartments that manual which is a manual created by
the institute of transportation engineers. Uh it has estimates for traffic associated with um all sorts of land uses and in this instance for the apartments used to prepare this report and rely upon. Would it be correct to say that that's the type of documentation or the documentation that
uh traffic engineers use in formulating reports? Absolutely. It's accepted data by uh traffic engineers as well as the New New Jersey Department of Transportation as well as uh county engineering departments and it's used but for the analysis by all types of land use boards in the state of New
Jersey. Correct. Please proceed. Yes, it it counts in 16 26 entering and 20 exiting for a total of 46 movements. So what should be noted is that both the Institute of Transportation Engineers and NJ dot the New Jersey Department of
Transportation Engineers considers 100 the number where they think that offsite um degradations be half that significant level when looking straight at the IT numbers. uh those numbers don't take into account existing traffic associated with the site that's currently there or
former traffic as well as traffic that won't exist due to the fact that the site is being proposed essentially adjacent to or block or so away from the uh Waldwick train station. Uh we looked at census data uh there were projections in 2023 for approximately 7 or 8% of
residents within Waldwick using mass transit. So we anticipate that while uh there will be a people who move in prepared uh back in March uh it was uh Wednesday and March 19th of this year and we look at like I said the rush hour period. So we looked at 7 to 9:00 a.m.
in the morning and 4 to 6:30 p.m. in the evening. And then what we do is we isolate the busiest hour in those time frames. So we found that the morning peak hour at the intersections of Harrison and Frederick and Harrison and West Prospect occurred from 7:45 to 8:45
in the morning and the evening peak hour was 4:45 to 5:45 in the evening. Reviewing the traffic volumes for the peak hour generally pretty low. West Prospect is the busiest road as you would imagine about 352AV up in the
frequency at which they uh arrive at the intersection. and it calculates for us a levels of service and that's based on the delay for movements at the intersection. It's rated like a report card and A means exceptional levels of service meaning very little delay and F means that a turning movement at an
intersection is operating uh at or above capacity for what it can handle. So then we ran the analysis for the existing conditions. What we found at those two intersections uh the levels of service are operating at level service B or better. So things are are running pretty smoothly at at those two intersections
adjacent to the property. Then we go ahead and we look at a future condition and we want to do a comparison of the future without the site generated traffic and with the site generated traffic. And to project a future what we do is take growth rates that were established by the New Jersey Department of Transportation for Bergen County. And
for in this location it's about 1.75% increase in traffic annually. And we looked at a buildout of two years. So we applied that growth rate to our existing volumes to create a 2027 no build year. We then took that site traffic
that I mentioned earlier and we directed it and routed it to and from the site access points. And then we did another levels of service analysis with and without the traffic uh with and without the site traffic to determine if there's any substantial or significant impact with those additional volumes. And what
we found is that there's not. We found that the levels of service at the Harrison Avenue intersections with Frederick and with West Prospect will all operate at a level of service C or better whether or not the site generated traffic is added to those locations or not. So in summation with respect to the
analysis uh this development this redevelopment of the property will have no changes or really perceptible impacts because the levels of service and delay won't significantly change. Also included in our traffic report is we reviewed uh the access design, the
parking supply and the internal circulation for the property. And as you heard from prior testimony, the main act parking lot and um as you heard the I I don't believe I said when we did analysis, we also analyze the driveway movements and
not just those two intersections. Uh and the driveway will operate at level service B or better. So it's a pretty low trip generator. the development. Uh the volumes along the adjacent roadways aren't very high. So, as I anticipated, the levels of service are are very
acceptable. So, so like I said, the the access will be on um on West Prospect Street and it'll operate at level of service B. Um access is going to be about 85 ft from Harrison Avenue. Uh I know 100 feet is the is preferred by the ordinance. There were some discussions
from the last hearing. NJ DOT actually requires a roadways with much busier developments. So, um I have a lot of experience with driveways that are located, you know, even closer to adjacent intersections than this. So, I really don't have very much of a concern
for the um the 15t discrepancy. Uh as I said, it's it's a light trip generator. Uh the turning movements into and out of the driveway are pretty low, as well as the volumes along West Prospect Street. So, you're not going to experience any cues along the roadway that are going to back into that intersection of uh West
Prospects into it with left turns into the subject property. If someone's making a left, there's a concern that uh as they wait for the bypassing traffic, you might create some cues along West Prospect as well. Three level service A demonstrating very little delay. They would have to wait for, you know, a gap
in traffic, which there's substantial amounts along West Prospect. Our projections of traffic were about one left turn vehicle movement into the driveway about every 10 minutes during the peak hour. So that's pretty infrequently that you're going to see uh a vehicle making a left into the
driveway. And then it's truly or the vehicle repair facility to the west and even right aid. Uh I think you heard substantial testimony. 87 parking spaces are provided which will meet the ordinance requirement. Uh therefore uh substantial parking will be provided. Those spaces
are going to be 9 ft wide by 18 ft deep, 24 ft 2A aisle within the parking facilities which meets typical design standards and uh ADA parking spaces will be provided. Uh I mean so in summation overall like I said the the levels of service at the site driveway will uh be
a B or better anticipating the driveways will operate efficiently and safely uh based on that and um the site's been designed to meet typical standards with respect to parking supply and parking dimensions and I think that the site is very well suited for the redevelopment
uh from a traffic engineering perspective. In connection with the analysis you did, you've also had the benefit of the Boswell report of May 2nd, 2025. Is that correct? Yes, I do. Uh the first comment is basically
uh confirmation uh as I read it that your report is acceptable and that there's no operational changes uh that are proposed and the analysis is acceptable. That was in the first so we have no comment there. But in paragraph two, it states that uh there's certain
residential parking along Harrison Avenue frontage. Um and it's assumed that need to be altered. Could you just comment in regards to that? Yes, currently there are um uh approximately um I'm sorry, I'm just looking checking my
notes. There are access points along Harrison Avenue for the homes that are there. However, with this project, we're going to be introducing more driveways associated with the town homes. there's going to be a um a reduction in available parking along the northbound side of Harrison Avenue. Currently,
there's about six parking spaces. It's going to go down to about one parking space available when you take into account distance required from stop signs as well as each one of those driveways. Uh, in connection with paragraph three of the Boswell report, there was a concern about the garage
entry as it needing a car reader or a keypad or something, but with the elimination of the gate or a door or anything uh for that ingress and egress, that concern is now eliminated. Yes. Yes, it is. I um you know I initially looked at the the project with respect
to the gate and I I thought if the gate were to exist probably have to be during lower peak periods you know even the evening time where traffic's not coming in and out and west prospect is very low low volume. Um but obviously the elimination of that gate would um eliminate any uh delays as far as the
gate opening or putting in a punch code or key fob or whatnot. So just as a recap, you have certain levels of service at the site now. All acceptable services C's and B's, correct? Yes. And on the basis of what the applicant is proposing based upon your analysis of it
using the IT manual, those levels of service will not change. That is correct. In connection with the ingress and egress to the site uh to the interior of the site, we have a 25 foot wide driveway. Yes. Acceptable standard?
Yes, it is. And we had the comment from um the board planner of the last comment with a development of this size and caliber. Correct. I agree. Correct. You would concur with that? Yes. Uh in connection with the uh interior parking in the site from a traffic um analysis,
uh driveway aisle width uh backup turning radius and all can be accommodated. Absolutely. Yep. the the drive aisle width with within that parking lot meets the standards and so does the depth of the parking spaces. From the standpoint of you and your expertise as a traffic engineer, do you
see any negative impact whatsoever in connection with the applicant's proposal from a traffic standpoint? Uh I do not like I said the the delay associated with the project will be essentially imperceptible and everything has been designed for the site to operate safely and efficiently. Thank you. This
concludes our presentation on direct testimony. Thank you very much. Trips was the the key factor that you you know they they start to get concerned. Yes. Um because in this looking at figure one and
two, you have trips coming back and forth down West pro. I'm not I'm not really worried about Harrison or Frederick's because you know there's not very much at all either either one. But West Prospect is where you're dumping most of your cars out onto, right? and it would bump those numbers up
126. It's not bumping up very much at all, but it's still an area of concern that has more than 100 that you just met you talked about. I mean, yeah, I mean, maybe I wasn't clear. Um, an increase of 100 trips. So, increase. Yeah, I'm I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on the figures
showed as as like you said on one or one or two% increase. Yes. Like I said, um you know, the during the busiest peak hour was the evening peak hour for the actual site, the development, and that was um a little bit less than 50 total trips. So that's what I meant when we weren't reaching that 100 trip
threshold. Okay. Is a lunch hour any um measurable amount of time? We generally don't look at a lunch hour because typically the residents who will live here will be at their place of employment. So there's not a lot of additional traffic associated with this development created
during that time frame. That's why we look at the rush hour. It's everyone headed to work and everyone coming home at night. Is that for every redevelopment or just Waldwick? No, it's every every mostly when you have a um a res a primary residential development because that's just the flow of traffic.
Gotcha. to build on that. I think that at lunch hour, uh, if I'm not mistaken, uh, that Harrison A is used as a point of parking for most of the
businesses on West Prospect because I do not believe they're allowed to park on the north side of West Prospect. Correct. Yep. So, what's the effect of the um northbound side? There's going to be
a reduction of about four or five parking spaces with the project due to the driveways. So, um you know th those those spots will have to be found further away from the um lunch establishments and the parking garage allows for uh
spots for the retail space that's only part of the redevelopment building. How about folks that want to pull in and go to the towels across the street? What happens there? Well, I believe what we will be doing is posting like you have only for the retail establishments here
and there is a u section of the uh statute uh under the motor vehicle statute that u it's a towway if it's if it's other people parking there and it's been done it's it's done in all the communities and people
adhere I'm across from the high school it's done in my parking Can't imagine why questions from the board. Just a couple on page one. What's a full movement driveway? Yeah, a full movement driveway means that you're allowed to make left turn and right turn into the driveway
and left turn and right turn out of the driveway. And as a couple uh members answered, what's rush hour? Give me a definition of rush hour. What is that? Yeah. Uh, basically we look at the busier commuter hours and that's why we counted from 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. in
the morning and 4 to 6:30 in the evening because during those time frames are when commuters are leaving their residents are leaving their homes in the morning and arriving back at at night time. And I ask everybody this question. Have you ever been there at lunchtime? I have not been to the site during lunch.
Saturday lunchtime, not a not a weekday lunchtime. I think your rush hour time may be off. I would look as some of the members said I would go there at long problem because you're taking those five spots. So we're in Harrison and if I'm right and there's hearing I can verify it is that the use
of the parking spaces will be for the residents and for the retail shops that are there on the first floor. Okay. So again 3,000 ft of retail. Okay. So if you're going to Natal's or Charlie's place, you cannot park in that area. You would be correct. Okay. So, if there's
restrictive parking from Harrison between Frederick and West Ninale and you're losing those five spots, where are the people going to park when they go for lunch? Well, that as you heard the testimony, they'd have to park somewhere else further away. Um, I will
tell you that on the basis of the ordinance that has been uh adopted by the governing body, all effects of this redevelopment were taken into account. It was reviewed by uh and had a hearing on it was reviewed when ordinance is
developed. So what does that mean? That means that we are entitled based upon your trucks. You can't park in Harrison between West Nightingale and Frederick. Park on Frederick or you won't be able to park on Frederick.
So where are these people going to park? You can't park in the garage. Well, the Harrison parking has the same restrictions uh to the north as well as to the south. So, um you know, it's it's resident parking, permit parking, 8:00
a.m. to noon. So, it's it's the same restriction whether it's close to this, you know, up as you branch away from Harris from West Prospect along Harrison. I would go there at lunch and I would do a study again. you probably don't want to do it. And that's why I asked you what rush hour is because the
rush hour you're looking at isn't the busiest time for that intersection. Let me back up a moment. The rush hours that you have looked at are based upon the empirical data that's in the IT manual. Correct. Yeah, it's a combination of the
two. um as as town homes and apartments generally, and I don't want to make a a rule of thumb, people aren't home during lunchtime. Um you know, I I I'm at the office. My my wife's at her
office. Um so, if we were to live in one of the town homes or apartments, we're not going to be home during the lunchtime rush hour. We're not going to be affecting that time frame. And that's why we don't study it because this site is not going to have any impact on that um time frame. If people are home and they want to visit one of those
establishments, they're going to walk cuz it's right across the street. So, there's real surrounding area during that lunchtime. And just as a moment, um there was a comment made a month or two ago about the parking. That's why Wraid's not going because we need the
parking from Wraid. So, we'll have to tell the gentleman that can't park on Harrison anymore to go park in Write aid. Not supposed to. But they're not supposed to. Well, they're not supposed to park in the garage either because there's a signpost that don't park or you'll get towed. Let's see who follows
that. They apparently did it right. It took went in a couple weeks a month a couple months ago when it started towing everybody out of the parking lot. Mark, right? Uh you mentioned empirical data. When were these studies created? Prior
to COVID or after CO because as we know with CO more people work from home. So the probability of people not being in their residence during the daytime may be different than what it was when this study in post. Um but again I I I don't
I have the ability to work from home but I don't work from home. But if if I do work from home, I'm probably going to be hopefully at my computer and not driving around the intersection impacting traffic operations during that lunchtime period. Or I may go out to lunch from that location. But um like I said,
there's going to be very little traffic associated with development during those lunchtime peaks. Earlier you mentioned something. Was there traffic based on the size of the land or the number of occupants? I I didn't I didn't get that. Size of the land. uh size of the land use. So, uh 21
town homes, 21 apartments, and then the um the retail component. Okay. Board questions. This is to to our attorney. Um we have a lot of ordinances about parking spaces,
spacing, and we don't know what's going into the retail at this point in time, and it that dictates how many parking spaces. Is that correct? Generally speaking, the rule of thumb is under 200 is the general rule of thumb. Then there
are modifications based upon particular use. Well, they're going to come in front of us when they get the retail in there to talk about the park space or not. No, if I if I may, Madam Chair, the redevelopment plan has a superseding regulation that's a blanket one per 400 square ft for non-residential regardless
of the specific use recognizing it's a downtown location. It's a redevelopment with shared parking. So, it doesn't get into that level of detail that you would other the ordinance otherwise does, but the redevelopment plan. Anyone else?
Um, you talked about the queue when people are making lefts into the garage. My concern that I mentioned wasn't about the queue and the backup to
Harrison. Um, is there still park? Yes. 30-minute parking along the So, they're okay. We're not losing the parking on the south side of East. No. Uh to the public questions only, sir.
You'll be sworn in. Yep. State your name last. Uh Andrew Guglier. A G U G L I A R O 51 Highwood Avenue in W Jersey. I'm also a fire chief in the bur. All right, chief. And I remember that you were sworn the last time. Are you still under oath? Absolutely. Um Mr.
Whitaker statement slashquest. Question. Question. No, no, witness. Go ahead. Um this also to you as well. So last time we were here talking about parking. We also did say that the hair cottage patrons will be parking in that parking
lot as well. That's all taken into account. Yes. Correct. But we just said before that it wasn't for anybody else except for cottage as part of this development even as a separate build building. Yes. Okay. So all part of it.
Yes. Yeah. 88 I think you said. 88 87 87 87. Can I ask board member Schulz to repeat his original question that he stated earlier? Um on page one. Uh what what is a full movement driveway? Yes.
Um, regarding a full new driveway, have you taken consideration of a 46 ft ladder truck trying to pull into that driveway either from the left side or right side? Uh, no. I I I have not contemplated a um How about a 30 foot rescue truck?
No, I have not looked at templates accessing the Have there been any um questions about would that be within our domain to ask that propose that it's only with the governor? He's asking here because he's saying that it's a fluid driveway. How could it be a fluid
driveway if you can't pull an emergency visa apparatus in? No, you the question you question you asked is that we consider making something no parking. We don't have the right to do that is what I'm telling you. Okay. I I didn't say it could not. I said I didn't review whether or not it could do so. Driveway
and there are no restrictions to it. How can I pull a 46 foot ladder truck into it from either side of the street? I don't think I understand the question. Um, so I have a 46T ladder truck. Sure. That depending on doesn't matter whether
it's coming from east to west or west to east, right? I'm not pulling into that driveway. So, how is it a fluid driveway? Why are you not pulling into the driveway that is I'm not go tail swing. Okay. Tail pull in the driveway. I'm gonna wind up
hit the cars on the other side of the street. Okay. Yeah. Like I said, I did review a turning template for those apparatus. Um, so but if you don't have a turning template for the apparatus, how could it be fully drive? So, so I I'll reverse the question. Do you have a turning template for the driveway? I could absolutely. No. Do you have a
turning template for the driveway now? Right in front of me. No, I do not. That's all I asked. Okay. Any more questions, Mr. Gero? Yeah. How is it going to fall into the driveway? It wasn't studied. We've said that. Okay. So, I'll go back to my original
question from last time. Safety. How is my ladder truck or my rescue truck going to pull into the driveway to ask an answer to? Absolutely. If there are no cars parked on the
street, obviously the driveway, the ladder truck or rescue truck will be able to fully pull into that driveway. Okay. So the question really becomes, is this something that the council should look at relative to no parking zone and cause that issue? Absolutely. But I'm
just going by the statement that the driveway was a fluid driveway. There are no restrictions to it. I think when they're talking about a fluid drive, they're talking about regular traffic, not rested traffic. I understand your concern is well placed and I think that
perhaps this may not be the place to address it. No, no, I understand that. But in my professional opinion, we're not in any way, shape, or fashion worry about safety here. Once again, my objections placed on the record. Yeah, that is
noted. Thank you. Questions from the public? Yes, ma'am. Mrs. Harding. Yes. Yes. Okay. You're still under, you know, I wondered if you took
consideration for all the buildings and businesses that are on my street where trucks are pulling out all morning landscapers. I counted 10 this morning. And then you have CM and the school buses that are coming in to pick kids up for special schools. and the white big
white bus that comes to take people from the train tracks. Is that all considered in your traffic level? If those vehicles turned through the intersections of Harrison with West Prospect and Frederick during those peak hours, then yes, they were collected.
I think how many times did you personally go there and check out driving because I drive every day. How many times have you pulled something there and got to see the traffic? It's a D. Go ahead. I I've been I've been on site.
Any more question folks public? Yes ma'am. Yes, you're still under oath. Thank you. Um you might have answered this at another meeting. That's the first one I was able to attend.
So, we have 21 apartments, is that right? And 21 town halls. How many adult people do you expect would live in those that would have cars? And how many cars will be
accommodated in the parking? So the analysis was done at the last meeting that you missed, but I can tell you that the parking that is proposed meets the requirements in the ordinance
and that's what we have to do and the burough planner can verify that for you. Okay. So answer. Thank you. No, it is an answer. It conforms to what the ordinance requires.
One question more. One question more. Yes. Um, do we still have off the street parking for snow removal at night in our town? Sure do. Where will all the extra cars park when it snows? In in their driveways or garages or in
the parking lot? There's only 1.5 parking spaces per house. Per apartment. Per apartment. Per parking for the house. Right. The apartment. Per apartment. Right? Am I correct on that? 1.5 parking spaces for the apartment. So
if it's a couple, majority of couples have two. So if they have two cars and it snows, where will they park then? What will you do for them? Explain how the 1.5 is promaggated. Yeah. Obviously there may be a couple that has two cars,
but in addition there'll be a couple that has one car. So it averages out. And with the fact that the train station is only a block or so away, the reliance upon automobile ownership will be lower and that's where it's 1.5. Um, you go talk to anybody in Harrison and find out
how many people use the train. No, this is having to do with this project and this project is looked upon with its proximity to the train station as a transit style facility in which the data
that he has and the data that's been testified to and what is based on the ordinance that was adopted by the governing body explains that the 1.5 is the accepted standard. Anyone else in the public? Questions? We are up to comments from
the board. This is the overall comments. Madam Chairman, I just have a few. Sure. Uh going through the last minutes, there were some questions in here. Uh, one of them was uh how the developer came up with uh 13D instead of 13 for fire
suppression. Do we know when that will get answered? It was answered the last time and the answer remains the same. The develop the developer will construct it in accordance with the building code requirements.
the board does not have jurisdiction to um deviate and require an applicant any applicant to build uh and have any jurisdiction over building code requirements. So the board can't vote no if you decide
to put 13D in. I will tell you you are correct, but I'll let your board council instruct you on that. It's a practical matter. the board cannot require anything beyond what's in the um code in the ordinance. That being
said, there's nothing to keep an applicant from offering roof. For the last three meeting, we've talked about this being a great location for the rail. Let's be honest. Do you know what the viewership was for rail in 2019 from New Jersey Transit? Not a relevant
question. Okay. Well, I'm making a comment because you're overestimating the number of people that are going to be using the rail. They're not even 50% back with wrership. So, this is a comment section. So, I'm going to make a comment. Okay. My comment is, can we
please stop saying everybody's going to be using this rail or a certain percentage because we're overestimating what they're going to use. So, I'm going to raise an objection to that. Not based on any data or anything that he supplied. that who supplied that you've supplied you as an opinion told I told
you what the writership was it was 53 million in 2019 there's no basis Mr. Singer there's no basis for what he's testifying to and it's 36.9 for last year Mr. Schultz. Yeah. What is your source for this information? Uh New
Jersey Transit's website, their financial report every year. It's not here. It's got to be stricken from the record. Okay. If you'd like, I'll send you the website so you can look at the numbers. But let's let's stop with this idea
again that it's a great place because it's a rail hub because that's a bogus reason for it. I think what you're going to have to understand, and I understand you're new to the board and probably have not taken the course yet that board members are
required to take within a certain period of time. With all due respect, you have to follow the mandates that are set forth in an ordinance. and the idea of any board member on any land use board in the state of New Jersey opining that the ordinance is wrong and therefore is not going to be
acceptable for the purposes of rendering a decision would be inappropriate and would be returned by what the courts call arbitrary capriccious and unreasonable is that the 13D and the 13 question or my question that's the
comments you've made about stop talking about this as an a a a good site. That's not what is before you. You are here with a site plan application that conforms to the requirements set forth in an ordinance adopted by the governing
body. I'm done with my comments. Thank you. There definitely is a learning curve. Oh yeah, I mean it's comments. You can make comments. I've been saying it for two years now and there is still a learning
curve. But I think as a body of neighbors, I think as a body of people that want to see the best for Waldwick, I think as people that live next door to us and we go to dinner with, I think there has
to be some assemblance of respect. I think there has to be some tone that we respect each other. We can ask questions. We could give our opinions and we don't have to be shunned for
that. So it happens that we just come with attitude all the time and we have to leave our attitude at the door. So we need to work together whether we like it or not. And when you work together and you respect each
other, things just seem better. So, let's try to do our best in that part. That would just change things. And more importantly, we have 10 minutes left because at 10:00 we're out. So, we need
to keep moving. But that's something that's really important. And I would appreciate it if everybody would try to do that. We don't have to like this, but there's a responsibility that we have to we've
we've sworn to take we took. So, it doesn't mean that we have to like everything that happens. Um, that's why we have ordinances so they can be followed and adhered to. Um, and then there's a wide range of things
that can go from best suited, which means people spend a lot of money, and not the best. Um, safety is very important. That should be top of the uh list as far as I'm concerned. Thank you.
Um, and that's not and listening to me, but um uh comments. So where where are we ma'am? One moment please. Where on the board? Do we have any comments on the board? Yeah, I have a comment. Um at the
last meeting there were several errors on the drawings with regards to height for the garage and we never were provided additional drawings. There are other typos on the drawings that are provided from the architect before we can make a
decision. especially something with regards to the height of the garage. The drawing stated 13 1/2 ft and his testimony stated 14 1/2 ft. Yet the drawings do not ref um we said that the site
plan would govern and the site plan had the 14 and a half. I'm turning to Mr. McInness right now because I don't have the answer yet. But that's what we had stipulated last time. But in answer to your question, we
will conf uh I'll confirm that that it's 14 1/2 and the plans would be modified to reflect that. And then the other question is with regards to the overall height at 52 ft. Uh I have a question for you Mr. Whitaker. You stated that the UCC states that the roof line is the
floor on the roof. But if a parapit is more than 50%, doesn't that count as the overall height of the building? Reason being, if I had to put a ladder up there to get there from a safety standpoint for the fire department, do they need a 52 foot ladder or do they need a 48ft
ladder to get onto the roof? And I think that question was asked at the meeting from the chief. What we what we provided to the board is a conforming height as per the ordinance. The ordinance is 50. So we meet the requirements of the
ordinance. No, with the parapit, it's 52 feet, right? With the roof line, you stated that it was 50 feet 48 feet and that was in compliance. But with the parapit being more than 50% coverage on the roof line, that would include the parapit and the overall height of the
building. Correct. Right, Mr. G? I'm going to ask Paul just to look at I'll pull out the ordinance too, but there are exceptions for rooftop structures and the pertinances. I need to double check the exact language on the parapets, but it was not flagged as
a variance or deviation based on the measurement of height, but I'll need to I can you can can you confirm that please? Yeah, we were relying on the report that said we were in compliance. Mr. Romano, I have my my notes here. going to have engineering testimony 14t high is the is the garage. No, that was
the testimony, but the drawings don't reflect that. As well as the uh base windowless basements that had on each end of all the buildings stated that they had doors that go to the back. Uh when we questioned that, they said that was again a
typo. And since this is now all rental property and a windowless basement is a concern, especially since those dens have bathrooms and closets and are more than 70 ft, which you know as well as I know any person would probably use them as a
bedroom, which would be non-conforming. That's all I have to say. I have a note that says four stories 50 ft. That wasn't with the paraffin, right? That's what you're saying. It was another The drawing states it's 52 feet as per the architects. He said it was
and that the doorway being I'm just going based on what he stated and that the drawing states that it's 13 and 1/2 ft. I will check the drawings and confirm with the board. Please. Thank you. What I'll do is have Tibbor uh a centis in conchkland and Robert's actual height
and then the plans would be revised later because we recognize there's a lot of revisions that have to be made based on the comments made here. We don't do the peace me. We do them with we've got all the comments. Ah, makes sense. Anyone on the
board? Mr. Singer, anything? Looking at the time and the question becomes, would this be a fair hearing and vote for the applicant? If we had those
confirmations in front of the board for the vote, you have five minutes to do them. I've been here a while. I think the board members I have to do a summation yet. So I would rather I think the board members would be much more
comfortable in my coming back to confirm the numbers that you want to hear. I do a summation. That's kind of what I was thinking. No, I wasn't proposing or suggesting that we conclude a vote tonight. No, not at all. Anybody thought that that would be wrong.
Okay. All right. I do want to do one thing though. I need an 825 which is the traffic assessment report as an exhibit. Just housekeeping. your 824. This would be 8:25. 825. I will provide you with that information and just make an announcement that the
the hearing will be carried. That's um to uh we are continuing to June 4. June 4. Yes. And all extensions are granted and other than summation, the hearing is closed. Correct. So by summation and
then vote. Yeah. Is there anyone that we should be hearing from? Anyone else? With that being said, um, as long as it's part of your zonation, you're going to incorporate the the confirmations. Oh, yes. And I'll have a letter
confirming with and so we'll admit that that that's withholding evidence open. Yes. Makes sense. Uh, do we want to propose? Yes. I don't Yeah, we only did the board. I thought we were done.
Oh, we need comments from the public. Yes. Why don't we hold them until I thought we did. Why don't we hold the comments until June 4th as well? Understood. Yeah. Sorry, folks. Nothing's happening until it's finished
and voted on. So, you don't have to worry. You just have to come back in another month on a Tuesday. On a Wednesday if that's not too much trouble. Well, I may come on a Tuesday. Okay, Mr. President. There was a hands up.
Yeah, we're waiting, I think. So, we are continuing on to June 4th. This is not closed. Folks, you're invited back. Um, and I think we're closing. Uh, the only other thing I ask Yes, sir. is that Oh, sorry. See, told you we can confirm with
a license off. Uh, we didn't confirm that we will have a full board. I I know. Uh, well, as long as we're all alive and well here. It gets a little crazy in June, but congratulations and other things, but we'll do the best we can. Board, yes, planning board. We'll
do the best we can to be here. Is there anyone who knows that way? Matt will not. Mr. Schultz, you'll be here. All right. Motion to adjurnn this evening. Thank you, Mr. Whitaker. Motion
to adjurnn. Stand and mark. Thank you, folks. I thought I shut my timer, but I didn't. Thank you for the use of the pen. I have something to sign.
I made a note.