to the special public meeting of November 17, 2025 of the township council of the township of Washington. Adequate notice of this meeting was given to at least in accordance with the open public meetings act by the township clerk to at least two newspapers on November 13, 2025. And this meeting has been posted on the township bulletin
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unable to attend the council meeting in person and would like a topic to be addressed at a meeting, please send email to the township of Washington. Contact all council members at once. TWWP of Washington. Bless you. >> Salute to the flag. Could everyone please stand for salute to the flag?
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Roll call.
>> Councilman Casio. Councilman Sears >> here. >> Councilman Palman >> here. >> Councilwoman Veles >> here. >> Council President Descend >> here. Let the record reflect also in attendance, Mayor Calamari. Township Attorney Mrs. Bailey and assistant to the clerk Cornelia Lisa. At this time,
do I have a motion to open the meeting to the public comment period? >> So move second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Would anybody like to come up and adjust the council at this time? Mr. Stickle raises his hand first. I'll go in order as much as I can. >> Good evening, Mr. Stickle.
>> Good evening. Uh Bob Stickle, 191 Walnut Street, Township of Washington, New Jersey. Um, I got two things I'd like to speak on tonight. So, >> I'm going to speak on them all. I have some questions, but so I can get through them at five minutes. Um, um, I just want to start uh by saying
I'm strongly pro emergency services. We have a great police department, fantastic volunteer fire department and EMS. I served as a volunteer EMT and I've spent 34 years running a CPR and AED training business. And I understand this work. I respect the people who do it and I know exactly what proper
emergency response standards look like. And the 34minute response time for an unconscious three-year-old is not a delay. It's a complete system failure and it's a crisis. At the last council meeting was mentioned that you would be meeting with the family. Respectfully,
this is not where the focus needs to be. The family already submitted a detailed letter to the council president and the father has stood right here and spoke at a previous meeting and they've been more than clear. They should not have to keep repeating the trauma of waiting 34 minutes for an ambulance.
I want to thank the Township of Washington Volunteer Ambulance and their members for all they do. Um, but the meeting that urgently needs to happen with the Township of Washington is with the Township of Washington Volunteer Ambulance Corps, not with the family. We need a direct and honest discussion
about staffing, response gaps, coverage, reliability, and what must change immediately. The 30 34-minute response time in this computer community is simply unacceptable. And we need answers about the taxpayer funded EMS study for Pasc Valley. Where is it? What did it
recommend? And why are we not acting on it? Especially now. This is not about blaming volunteers. This is about accountability, transparency, and fixing system that clearly failed when a child's life depended on it. If it will help move this forward, I'm willing to volunteer my time as a liaison to help
bridge communication, review procedures, and ensure this never happens again. We really do need answers, and we need action now. Um, the next thing is basically on Bethany. Um the it was on the agenda
last week for a final vote. I'm assuming that a two to one vote in favor um is not sufficient to pass. Why did our attorney not provide guidance during last week's meeting? Why is the attorney saying she doesn't
know regarding key legal issues? Why would the township spend approximately $58,000 worth of improvements to Bethy's property without a signed lease in place? That makes no sense. I don't know anybody who would make improvements when
you don't have a signed lease. Why would that be allowed? Um, what safeguards are in place if Bethany changes their mind? How can taxpayer money be protected in this situation? Once the DPW completes its work, the
work up here for the building, there reportedly will be insufficient space for town hall to store equipment up here. So this may necessitate continuing lease at OGC which represents a significant cost to our taxpayers. You know what happens if OLGC property
is sold? I know we don't know that yet but there's been a lot of talk of OLGC and St. John's and St. Andrews all combining. Um that property there is valuable to some developer. How would the township handle storage in that scenario? It was mentioned that
since the township expected open space funding at for the pool, vehicles cannot be parked there. Could the township have subdivided the property before accepting open space funds to allow parking? Um, again, I guess my question is why
would the attorney allow improvements on property for which a lease has not been signed? Um, and repeated statements and meetings she does not know are concerning when taxpayer funds and long-term agreements are involved. There's significant concern concern
about proceeding with improvements and ongoing leasing arrangements without formal agreements in place. This may risk taxpayer money and create a future operational challenges. Clear guidance is needed from the attorney and the township leadership before continue with any expenditures or lease commitments.
That's all I have to say. So, >> thank you, Mr. Stickle. Um, I I'm in total agreement with you about the ambulance score. I I don't want to I don't want to place blame on anybody at this point. I want to know why it happened and I've been asking since the since the parents of this child
hopefully is in good spirits right now. Um I want to know where the communication failed and why we waited 38 minutes. Um they they they said the PD did a beautiful job, you know, assisting them because they were the first on scene within minutes. But why the breakdown of 38 minutes? I've been
trying to ask that question. Hopefully the mayor can assistate to facilitate a meeting with the ambulance court and get that answer which we don't have right now which we've been asking for. >> Yeah, I think it's more than just facilitate a meeting. We got we got to come up with a plan. You know, >> I agreed. >> Any of us is not breathing 38 minutes
you'll be going to a funeral and now that this is brought to the town council volunteers cannot be held liable in the state of New Jersey unless it's no gross negligence. But I'll tell you what, there's a ton of attorneys that are going to take this case to come after town because we have knowledge of it's not working.
>> And I'm here to make it work. >> I appreciate I appreciate you. >> I want I want to see >> offer and hopefully we can get an answer and we'll proceed with a remedy to to solve the the problem. Thank you. Uh secondly, uh Mr. Mayor, do you want to respond to
any of Mr. Stickle's questions at this time regarding the Bethany? Um I' I'd rather if it's okay uh I'm taking notes now and respond at the end because um I don't want to delay. There's a lot of people here who
probably want to speak and uh I don't want to deny them the chance to speak. So if it's okay Mike uh you know maybe we can answer all the questions at the end. Uh >> that's how you choose. Yeah. >> I don't have the answers for Mr. >> Attorney have any response why we would sign a lease and make improvements. Not
sign a lease and make improvements. I I'll direct however the council president. >> Yeah, if you'd like to if you could respond. >> Um there this is the process. This is the introduction of the ordinance. The public hearing and the evidential hearing on the ordinance is going to be
December 2nd. Um the lease itself is not effective at at this time. >> So why would you make improvements on property that we don't have a lease on? We spent $58,000. It's paved. There's a new gate in. There's that black
I do I do know Mr. D. Carlo will be here at the public hearing on December 2nd to answer all questions about >> Well, that's great. I'll be in Phoenix. So, um I'm asking you you as an attorney, why would you allow that?
>> The public hearing is December 2nd. >> So, you don't know why we spent $58,000? >> Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to give you all the chance to speak, but we can't just scream. Do you think what you did is legal is what you're saying >> to make improvements on a property we
don't own. >> Sir, I I would like to confer with Mr. J. Carlo and answer questions that we hear tonight forum. There are people that may not be here, sir, that are that are hearing that this ordinance is here for introduction and that the public hearing
will be held on December 2nd. It's not appropriate. It's not evidential. It's not the record for the ordinance. Tonight, I'm here. everything down and we'll be prepared to answer. >> You keep saying about the ordinance. I'm not asking about the ordinance. I'm asking you about $58,000 of our tax
money that was spent on a property we have no lease on. That's the question. Has nothing to do with the ordinance tonight that we're doing over because the vote was no good last week because you didn't have enough people here. That's the question. I'm not asking
about the ordinance. I'm asking why we would do $58,000 of improvements on property we don't own or have a lease on. Makes no sense to me. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. [applause] >> And then you're next, sir.
[snorts] >> Good evening. >> Good evening, sir. Larry SM 266 Woodfield. Mr. Mayor, I got a question. Uh, you were mentioned in the Pasc Valley article that it is essential to note that the site will not be used just for
parking but leave transfer and other related activities to take place. Could you clarify the other related activities and the leave uh transfer? I just want to see if this article is
correct. And what did you mean by that? >> Just give me one second. I'm sorry. >> I mean, Mike, would you like me to answer questions as they're coming up? >> If you It's up to you if you want to wait till the end. I I can't I don't know if you >> He's going I can't I can't answer it. So, >> Well, I'm reading something that was
quoted in the press. I don't know if this is accurate or not, >> but I'm just trying to clarify, you know, what leave transfer and other related activities are also going to be taken care of there. >> Um I I believe uh the administrator made that statement, not me. Uh but to my
knowledge, uh leaf transfer means uh we're in the middle of leaf season right now. Sometimes when the trucks come back, they have to transfer leaves from one truck to another. Uh so it's not like leaves are going to be stored there or anything like that. It's just transferring them uh to bring them down
to where we dispose of them. Uh as far as other activities, you know, again, I would I would just say other DPW related activities, um you know, just that come up. I can't think of any one or two in particular. Uh you know, I'm sure the
administrator probably meant just, you know, minor things as the course of DPW. Has anybody brought up the concern over vermin rodents at the spot there? Is this going to be secure? Are there
going to be cameras there? Are there going to be lights at night that may disturb the neighbors that are real close? And uh what how is this going to impact the creek that's bordered on the large side of this property?
And the smell from the trucks. >> Okay. Um again, >> I can I can based on what was said at the previous meeting, Mr. Snack, the the uh household garbage pickup will occur here on Saturdays in this parking lot here. It will not occur. So no
activities will occur at the Bethany as per Mr. D. Carlo at the last meeting. So cars will not be going in and out of the site on a Saturday and a Tuesday to drop off anything at the Bethany. The only thing that will be there is the physical trucks and the equipment. So I don't
know if that answers your one question. >> No, doesn't. I'm just concerned about the vermin. >> The vermin. I I don't know what was what was discussed. >> What's planned for that? I don't know what they have planned for that. I do not know. >> Um to be honest, uh you're probably the
first one who brought it up. Uh we will have our pest control place that does all of the town facilities. >> Do you know who you use? >> Um I'd rather not say their name in public, but it's the one that the town uses for here for all of our parks and fields. Um so we will contract with them
to add that on. >> The reason being is this time of year when you talk about leaf transfer, people throw pumpkins and plants out there. That's a food source for squirrels and for >> ferment. Well, again, we like I said, we won't be storing any leaves there. Uh it's just a transfer from truck to truck
to bring them down to where uh they go. Worst case is they're in a garbage truck one night uh if we don't have a full truck to go down >> and the related activities there. >> Like like I said, just DPW activities.
Uh I'm not in a position to say what they all are. Uh, I think leaf transfer is probably the biggest and uh, like I said, that's just moving from truck to truck >> under New Jersey municipal law use land.
What about safeguarding a creek that's right there from related activities which you're not sure about? >> Um, well, what I can tell you is uh, there won't be any hazardous material stored on that site. Um, you know,
number one, DPW, even up here, does not have any hazmat materials to my knowledge. Um, and uh, yeah, so again, we we don't see an issue with the uh with the creek. >> Now, this is supposed to be 18 months, >> correct?
>> Until the other work is complete. That was supposed to be a year and then six months buffer. >> Correct. >> If the work is completed sooner, would that place close down sooner? because for my money I'm believing thinking this is a done deal and it's going to happen.
>> Okay. Um so to to answer your question, yes, obviously DPW workers want to get their new home as soon as possible. So there would be no reason to have them continue operating out of that property if everything here is done within the 12
months that right now is forecast. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. show you. >> Ron Mortalo, 273 Woodfield. >> Good evening, Mr. Mortaro. >> Um, is there any way we can get in writing when this deal is done, the gate
is gone, the curb, the driveways, the curb is put back because nobody said 100% that that thing is going away when it's over. I never heard any of you tell me >> I said it the last >> I know you said it, but can we get it in writing that when that 18 months is over somewhere in your lease? Whatever. How
you do it? >> Some with that the driveway itself, not just the gate. I'm talking about the You know what I mean? So the curb goes so they can't use it yet. That's that I I never heard 100% from any of you. >> You said it, but I mean, is there a way we can get it in writing?
>> I believe it's in the lease to restore. I believe it's in the lease to restore it back to the original condition, but I haven't seen a copy of the lease, so I can't, but I've just been verbally listening. >> Oh, so that is true. 100%. that's in the lease that that thing goes away and and Bethany can't use it after this is over. >> The only thing that might remain is the
fence because Bethany may want to that's that's fine. Long as it's closed and the curb is gone so they can't have no vehicles going in and out of there anymore. That's 100%. >> But council president is correct. >> That's all I wanted to hear. That's all because the rest of it I know is done. So
>> Mr. J [laughter] >> Kevin Janos at 200 Devon Road. Good evening. >> Good evening, Mr. Janice. >> I'm here to tonight to speak about the plan to store DPW vehicles at Bethany Church. A decision with serious implications for our community, our
environment, and trust in local government. Let's start with the environmental impact. The proposed site is directly adjacent to Moose Moose with Sync Brook which feeds directly into our lake. I estimate the brook to be about 50 feet from the
parking lot. The brook is a c a category 1 waterway under NJD standards, meaning it is especially protected for ecological, recreational, and water supply value.
Category 1 waters must be shielded from any measurable degradation. Even well-maintained DPD DPW trucks can leak small amounts of hydra hydraulic fluid, [clears throat] engine oil, road
salt, brake dust, and fuel vapors. Any spill or runoff could flow downstream into our lake. Now, let's discuss safety concerns. The storage area is adjacent to one of our town's most heavily used pedestrian
paths which once runs from Woodfield Road to Cleveland Avenue. This path is used extensively by children, seniors, walkers, runners, and cyclists every day. Introducing DPW traffic creates a
clear safety conflict. Finally, I want to address transparency and process concerns. You're voting on this, I think, again tonight, but the driveway and fencing has been talked about and is already constructed. How is that possible? Initial discussions appear to have occurred in closed
session. Why was there not any public discourse on site selection? And I'm not referring to sending of letters or canvasing the few houses within 20 ft of the driveway. This should have been a community discussion. Lack of transparency undermines trust in
local government and prevents meaningful community input on a project with long-term environmental and safety impacts. So my two questions would be, was any environmental or storm water impact assessment conducted before
approving the site? And was a safety or traffic impact study completed um before the site was put forth? >> I don't have the answers to your questions, but maybe I don't know if the mayor wants to write the questions down
and respond later or once he has the information. Peter, >> um, >> what do you know the answer to? >> Um, I mean, I'll answer as best I can. You know, it may not be 100% because the administrator, you know, he deals with day-to-day with this with these things. Uh, but the environmentals, we've had
our town engineer um review the DPW equipment and the uh the proximity to the brook. um you know he is satisfied that uh I don't want to say everything you just mentioned uh but you know he is satisfied that nothing would come even
near to the brook uh like the things that you said uh as far as safety uh we have you know we will continue we have told our DPW employees you know if this happens you know they know to exercise the utmost caution you know they they
understand that they they like their safety record they have a good one you know they're not looking to, you know, make any trouble with that or anything. Uh, you know, they understand again that, you know, it is a heavily traveled area for pedestrians of all ages and, uh, you know, it's utmost in their mind.
>> Yeah. I mean, the environment for sure, the safety issue, you know, I have two young children. I live in a neighborhood and even, you know, years ago as we walk past there quite often that bend coming around Woodfield telling my children, you got to look. You never know when a
car is going to come by. There's no stop sign. There's nothing. So now we're gonna have big large trucks driving by. I'm very concerned. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Mr. Romeo. >> I'm just going to kind of piggy back off
again. Chris Romeo, uh, 282 Woodfield. The concerns seem to be about safety and the environment. Then why don't we just move the entrance to Pascak Road like everybody in here would like?
That would [applause] that would make it palatable for 12 to 18 months if the entrance was not on Woodfield. Simple as that. I mean it's it's not real complicated. Um unfortunately the person who would
answer all the questions isn't here. Um um but have we addressed that? Have we went back to Bethany and said, "You know what? Since we're giving you a lot of money and we're doing the voting there and wreck is there, so we're giving you
a good amount of tax, you know, tax money that maybe you can concede and let the trucks go through your parking lot only at 7 to not 3:30." Say this, tell them the same thing you told us. That's only going to be inconvenience twice a day. And you know, the kids will be in
school and you know who's doing stuff at 7:30 in the morning and the trucks will be very careful. They won't run anybody over. >> I'm just curious why why that was cuz the last time we were here that was a done deal that they would they just that was a no starter for them. So then tell
them fine, thank you and go somewhere else and give us our 80 our $58,000 back. That's taxpayer money since you don't have a lease for that. I'm not even going to go into that stuff. Somebody else already went into that nicely. >> Would you want to answer this now, Mr. Mayor, or do you want to hold on for
your >> um No, no, I I can answer. You know, per that comment made at the last meeting by at least one and a number of people, uh I've started the discussion with Bethany about reooking at that part. Um for those of you who may not know, Bethany
is gone through a little leadership change at the community center. So, everything has to go higher to just the local building. Uh so they have given me their and I hope to have an update at the next meeting. >> So there is a chance that you may change the entrance from Woodfield to Pasc.
>> Um I all I can say is I've asked the question >> then the my follow-up question would be um when we started negotiating with them, can I ask who initiated the negotiations with Bethany to do it here?
>> Um yes. Uh per um it's my job as mayor to negotiate [clears throat] all the contracts. >> Okay. Um may I ask are you a member of the Bethany church? >> I am not. >> Is anybody on the board a member of the Bethany church? >> I >> And if they are, are they recusing
themselves from this vote? >> I am not a member. >> I'm just I'm curious. I I don't know. >> Mr. Sears, would you like to answer that? You don't have to. If you don't >> No, no. I'm just curious. I would just imagine that my religion is my religion. you would recuse yourself and you wouldn't be part of the vote because that's a conflict of interest if you're
a member of the Bethany establishment. >> I mean, the only thing I'd like to say is um you know, we uh lease land from OLGC. Uh I am a parishioner there. Uh at the time it was deemed to not be a conflict cuz I don't benefit monetarily from just being a parishioner there.
>> No, no, no. I mean I'm I'm just curious again how it all got started like with the voting. So in our government, Mr. Romeo, the only person that can um enter into an agreement is the mayor. >> Okay? >> The council cannot enter into an agreement with any individual or any
entity. The only person that can negotiate these things in our form of government is the mayor. So the mayor has been >> dealing with as he has with OLGC. and our prior attorney did make a decision that even though you're a member of that
uh uh >> organization >> organization, you could still vote on it as long as you're not being directly uh benefited from that stipen that they're receiving. >> That's the legal opinion we were given. So like if you were if you were part of
the church and >> you were a you were getting a a salary from them, I would think then you couldn't >> I don't vote on is getting on or a member of a border. >> I'm not accusing anybody. >> No, but I just want to be I just want to put it out there on the record since you brought it up. I just wanted to answer your question.
>> I just wanted to I just was curious how we established such a good relationship with them so fast. >> Well, well, we we've had a good relationship with them for years. We run a lot of programs there. So, it's we've had an ongoing relationship almost since they moved into that facility. And uh I
just want to add on to one thing that the council president said is the council like it's my job to negotiate agreements and so with the council's input I do that uh because we do talk about it in close sessions because obviously negotiations have to be spoken
about that but when it's ready to come to a vote the council authorizes me to sign the agreement. >> Okay, that makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So I hope we answered some of your questions. you did. >> And and one of your other comments you made, the wreck program is >> No, I'm just
>> No, no, no. But the wreck program is not a taxpayer funded program. It is funded by the individuals who who whose children participate, the families pay that fee. The town is the town is taking in the money and it's not funded by a tax.
>> It's almost like a pasture. I just don't want >> Yeah, it's good land. It's good stuff. No, no. I'm I'm just saying that you would think since we are giving them so much business that they wouldn't they'd be inclined to just put this thing on Pasc. >> I wish you know I hope that's the answer >> or saying or say something like well
maybe we won't use you for voting you know play negotiate [snorts] negotiate don't just say oh whatever you say is okay that's all and that's why I asked if anyone was a member of the Bethany church because then they might not want to play hard ball with them >> so that was the only reason I asked
that. Okay. Thank you, Mr. >> Thank you. >> No, no, you you and then I was just sounding gentleman in the back. You both raised, but you raised faster. >> John Musham, >> could you just spell your last name?
>> R E U T E R S H an 53 Stratford Court. >> Reu EU Teran. >> Thank you. Okay. Um, got three questions and then a little statement. Um, just a little background for the first one. The Pascac press on October 27th reported
that Mayor Kalamari posted on Facebook that DPW operations will happen uh at Bethany. But for many months, the town website said that it is strictly for vehicle storage. No operations. Then
just before this meeting, a change was made on the website. And even though it still says strictly for vehicle storage, it's uh changed to say only moderate DPW operations will take place, which actually contradicts strictly for
vehicle storage. Originally, I was going to ask exactly what are all the DPW operations that will take place there, but no one seems to know. So, let me ask this way. Other than leaf transfer, can you please name a few other types of DPW
operations that normally take place at the DPW so we have an idea of what might take place there? >> Would you like to answer that? >> Um, yeah. Um, again, like what happens up here, there's not a lot of things as
far as DPW operations go. Uh to me DPW operations is defined as they're out in the field working on things. That's their primary job. Um but it's you know it's not just storing of vehicles. So it's you know it is operations but
operations as we envision it is they uh they start their day at 7:00. They pick up vehicles to go out in the field and maintain parks and fields, do pickup for the residents, things like that. Uh they take a lunch break. uh they resume that
operation until 3:00 when their day is done. Uh they come back, you know, because if if they are on site here or there, they're not working for the residents, which is their prime job to maintain our parks and fields and, you know, all the things that they do. So,
you know, I I didn't want to kid anyone to say it's just vehicle storage. It is not. They will start their day there every day. They will finish there every day. you know, they might have to go back in between occasionally to pick up a different piece of equipment for a different job. You know, that that's how I define operations.
>> So, uh, normally, uh, at the DPW up to now, other than leaf storage, uh, leaf, uh, transfer and, um, recycling, which I know is not going to happen, correct, at Bethany. >> Yes. >> What are some of the other things that they do there? >> I, like I said, I I can't think of any
like I just didn't want to kid anyone to say it's just vehicle storage. Uh but really as I said operations are just they're going to start their day there end their day there and occasionally interchange excitment. >> Mr. uh M Mayor Kamari can I ask um do
they do vehicle maintenance? >> No, that is outsourced. >> Outsourced. And how about uh equipment maintenance such as um small equipment uh small motor maintenance and things of that nature? Would they be maintaining them at
Bethany or would they be either going to a vendor or doing it up here? >> Um that that is a combination of both. Yes. Sometimes they'll, you know, do lawnmower repair, you know, very light repairs on something like that. But as far as any major repairs being done to
the trucks or anything like that, that is outsourced 100%. >> Okay. Uh my second question, um even if construction on the new DPW site is not finished in 18 months, do you all commit
to removing all the DPW trucks and equipment from Bethany after 18 months? Yes or no? >> I'm Yes. >> What? >> I commit to removing. >> How about everybody else? The mayor and council. I mean, I'll say I mean, if it's two
months away, >> you know, if for whatever reason the project gets stalled up here and it's two months away, I would hope that we could work something out with Bethany for a twomonth extension on the lease. That is not in there now. I don't want anyone to think it's in there. It's for an 18month, but I hope you can all
understand the effort if it's not done to move everything, find a spike, a spot, and move everything out for another two months or so. suppose it's much longer than 2 months. >> I'm I'm so well then the builder's got some real issues. The contractor uh you know we can sue them for liquidated
damages and things like that if it takes them too long. >> But what would happen? Would you continue at Bethany? >> Um I would say that would be one option. Would we look for others? Again, it depends on how far the project is. >> So in other words, this could well uh depending on what happens, this could
well go well past 18 months. Well, again, the contractors told us they expect to be done within a year. We built in a a 50% cushion to that uh to say 18 months. You know, again, a lot of things would have to go wrong. >> But we all know >> projects. Yes.
>> For various reasons, financing and everything else, construction, supply chain, um construction often. >> I'm happy to say we have financed the project here. So, financing >> So, supply chain and other issues. construction often runs over and you said that it could well uh extend the
lease past 18 months. Okay. >> I would I would hope to negotiate it, but it's not in there currently. >> If the project's managed correctly, it should not take more than 12 months. >> It should not, but the possibility has been stated. >> Absolutely. That's why that's why they built in the six months. >> It could last longer. Okay. Uh this
ordinance 2525 you're voting on today. It's a first reading. Does it require a second reading? >> Yes. Uh, and therefore a second public meeting. Yes. And when will that be? >> December 2nd. >> Okay. All right. >> At 7 p.m. And you'll be able to comment during the public portion of that
meeting again to put your comments on the record. Tonight is just you're just we're allowing you to speak, but it's not part of the ordinance because the ordinance has to be introduced first. the next meeting on December 2nd as we did at the previous meeting when we
opened the the or the second reading up to the public for their comments. All those comments were put into the ordinance. Um, you know, >> so if I wanted to get these into the record, it would have to come back if I came back and repeated. >> Absolutely. Okay.
>> All right. So, finally, uh, I'm stating that I am against >> I'm sorry. Just to be clear, >> what you're any comment that anyone makes today is on the record. >> Correct. But not for the ordinance. >> It's just there is going to the ordinance is going to be open for a
second reading and there's a dedicated portion for lack of a better term. >> Okay. >> Where you can make a comment on the ordinance. I mean to think that this is all being said and not being recorded or acknowledged is >> but it's just not being recorded as part
of your procedure. >> But if I thank you. Yeah. And if I want it in the audience and I come back up next time. Okay. Please. >> So finally I'm stating that I'm against this and especially I'm against how you went about this. Um you authorized work in a closed session. You already spent
over $50,000 of taxpayer money on work and you don't even have a lease. People who were contacted have stated it was presented as a done deal. Your website all along said no DPW operations at
Bethany. None. And you now make a change just before this meeting saying yes to operations. The larger community beyond 200 f feet was never contacted even though this affects them in part if they
use the adjacent walking path and roads and definitely because these are everybody's taxpayer dollars. This was the complete opposite of transparency. >> Thank you, Mr. Good evening.
>> Good evening. >> Mark Levy 219 Devin Row. >> Good evening, Mr. Le. >> Good evening. So, I have a couple of updates to my point that I made at the last meeting. Um, the uh property currently owned by Valley National Bank.
Um, not only does it afford us a better opportunity, but much more space than we have in this area today. So, as the town grows and we're getting more uh residents, uh we'll have more needs for disposal, etc., um this property won't
even be big enough for the trucks once it's completed, right? We'll still have to pay a third party OLGC or wherever else to store the trucks. That property has plenty of space. Um so, I found out two things. The deal doesn't actually
get exercised until the end of December. So, so there's nothing signed yet. That's one. Two, members of the council said that it would be tens of millions of dollars. Um, just a little online search and it's $3.5 million. So, let's
say some developer is able to pay over that price. We're still talking four or$5 million. And what the attorney had said last time is that um what we'll have to pay is fair value. So, not over. So fair value is somewhere around 3.5
million. You know that that that's what I'm getting from the different sites online. Let's say that's 10 or 20% off. Um we're still talking about under 5 million for a prime piece of real estate that um really can hold uh um everything we need not just this year and next year
but for the next 15 or 20 years. [clears throat] So I didn't know if that changes. My question is with that information, does that change anything in terms of using of going after it using eminent domain like they did the town I couldn't remember is Cranberry, New Jersey. Maybe if you give them a
call, they could provide some advice because they were ready to foreclose on that that farm, but um you know, they were stopped by the towns people this you would have the town's people behind you. >> Thank you, Mr. Le. >> No, I was wondering if you could answer does that change it? Um would would you
look into that now? We we we could ask uh the mayor to look into it, but I think he has and he's responded previously on this. >> Yeah, I mean the response mostly holds true. However, um you know, we we all know that all our properties now are going through a re-evaluation. Uh that
valuation of 3.5 million if that's what it's on our tax rolls for, uh is obviously dated by about 10 years. We all know how real estate has exploded. Um, you know, I agree it's not worth uh what was set up here previously, but it's worth well in excess of that three
and a half million uh as far as Valley by December 31st. I don't know where you got that information from, but that contradicts what uh what they're telling us unofficially. >> That was a correction that came from my wife. >> Um
>> I appreciate that. But um if it in the use of eminent domain, we don't have to pro pay top dollar. It's a fair market price. And I I think that what you had said exactly last time, if I paraphrase, is that they didn't reach out to you. They did it, you know, behind the scenes
and didn't give us a fair shake. But we do have as as a government agency the power of eminent domain to go in there and do something like that. And other towns have done it, I I'd say not as positively. this could be a really good use of it. >> So, it's it's not up for consideration,
though. I I understand we've already got these things in motion. Um, this building would be a great place for affordable housing, and that would be a great place for a, you know, municipal building. It looks like a a town hall, you know, it's uh it's just got it's it's got
>> So, Mr. Levy, my my tens of millions of dollars response to you is our firehouse cost $7.5 million. So, if you think we're going to I I appreciate you doing all your due diligence and figuring this out, but if we think we're going to buy the Valley Bank, repurpose the building,
or build a new building for under $20 million, we're fooling ourselves cuz the firehouse was 72. Our new DPW building here is 5.5 million. So, we're we're going to be in the tens of millions of dollars to do what you're asking to do. Well, and it's a big it's
a big it's a big, you know, it's a big we don't first we don't have access to the site. I would not be in favor of taking the site by eminent domain because >> it's it's they own the site. It's we don't have a you know there there's nothing you know there's rules about eminent domain and how we do it properly
and not do it properly and I'm not you know the attorney can speak more to that but to me to spend you know that kind of money on that site is we just can't afford it. So, you're going to net out though um the money that you get for this site that you're going to sell to
contractors, >> but we can't sell public property for a profit. >> You can sell it for fair market value. >> No, we cannot. >> So, you're saying you would have >> like if we wanted to sell the swim club right now to a developer, we cannot because we bought it for public
purposes. This site is only allowed to remain a public purpose to the township of Washington. So we can't we we cannot become land barons because we're the township w I I when when the swim club purchase was going on this is all discussed very heavily. So we couldn't
have bought the swim club and then said hey it's too much money for us to develop it and sell it to a developer and make a profit on it once we bought property and make profit as a as a as a municipality. >> Okay. That that's disappointing that there's absol and and the township
attorney agrees that there's absolutely nothing we can do to to swap this property for that property. >> This property being >> the the house the property we're on right now which is kind of too small for this town. Voting is difficult. Things
like that and moving to a much bigger site which can accommodate the entire DPW and everything else that we need. the police department, maybe even the fire, everything eventually can be up there when it comes up over the next 10 to 20 years. That's an outstanding site.
It's also entrance and exit onto the main road >> and swap it with whom? >> This property. >> Okay. And we're taking this property. >> We sell it to developers. >> Yeah. No, I I agree. I I thought was I thought you meant a land exchange with Valley National.
>> Okay. >> I thought that's what you meant. >> Oh, can we do that? I I don't believe with a private developer. I'll have an answer to you. I don't believe so. >> I don't believe we can, but if if there's no appetite to entertain eminent
domain um or or or this type. Yeah, >> I don't know about the rest. >> I'll certainly if directed I'll look into the the the more nuanced question that you're asking. >> Okay. But but no more consideration will be given. You mentioned uh uh cases
descent that it it's their property. So coincidentally I have about a hundred shares of Valley National stock. I'm an owner. >> Okay. >> You could have it. >> I don't want I don't want >> So [laughter] So I I'm not sure who they are. You know it's a public company. Yes. >> Um looking
>> but it's still there. It's still there. They're >> I understand but we haven't gone to them or the shareholders the underlying shareholders just >> Well, I believe the mayor has has stated that he has reached out to them. No, he said they didn't reach out to him. >> Okay. >> And they did the the they did the deal
privately without consulting us, which he had asked them to when Correct. But he did ask >> we graciously welcome them to our town when they bought our town. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Okay. That was >> Thank you, Mr. Lee. >> Go ahead.
>> Kathleen Zar at 124 Woodfield. >> Could you spell your last name, please? >> I was ready. B A W R Y T. >> Thank you, Miss. >> Thank you. So, um piggybacking on uh what he said about the land exchange, I
don't know if it's a completely different um law or or loop in the law, but for instance, when the library was uh remodeling and extending because uh the area around the um library is is
deemed wetlands. Uh this came this goes back to Governor Christie how long ago this is uh that there was a statute for wetlands. I can't speak about eminent domain but you could take and say okay well we're going to make this piece of
area wetlands and and unbuildable like you could do a swap and then extend to here. >> Yeah. I don't know if that could be applicable to, you know, where we can't swap that we were saying that we couldn't do what this gentleman was uh projecting. If it could be, well, this
[clears throat] town we're swapping this public property for that public property if if that could help. >> I I don't know the answer to that. We'd have to find that out. >> So, I'm just throwing that out there. Um uh the last time I I had a question
afterwards that I forgot. So uh when we talk about that uh that the town engineer uh did uh studies, traffic studies and uh uh impact studies. Uh how come those are not published? Where do
we have his findings and results of those studies? Um, first let me point out he did not do a traffic study. Uh, all he did was an environmental study of just the uh distance to the brook from where we would be. Um, he did not uh
give us a verb I'm sorry he did not give us a written report. It was just a verbal uh that you know he looked at it and he is satisfied that it meets all the D regulations. >> Right. And I question his qualifications. Um for instance were um
boil sort soil borings done anywhere in that parking lot so that we know that that can sustain you know as well as the roads in front of it. When uh I mentioned that these are roads were built to residential
traffic patterns, not like the county highways, not like Ridgewood Road or Pasak. Um it's not the same of having your garbage truck that comes twice a week up and
down or for the occasional snowstorm that comes up and down. We're talking about half of the fleet twice a day at least. Or you're saying sometimes they may have to go back in if that's sustained
back and forth if that can be supported. We know that it's close to a stream. How far down is the water table? Can this be, you know, a sinkhole that we're creating that could happen when we talk
about um so for me I'm questioning a the engineer's credentials b to what extent his report was that both that parking lot and Devon and the end of Woodfield which are pave residential standards has the department of transportation been
contacted to see if we met those standards. My guess is no. >> Um, >> well, the Department of Transportation doesn't have any jurisdictions on our local streets. >> No, they don't have any jurisdiction, but they have the knowledge and
>> but our engineer is, you know, I I I've known Mr. Beckmire a long time. He is more than well qualified to make that. And I know I'm speaking for the mayor's employee, but um I think he's more than qualified. >> Soil bearing tests were done. >> I can't answer that, Mr. Mayor. I don't
>> the water table depth was checked >> there. >> Infrared sonar was, you know, water seeking table sonar was done. >> I I I don't believe any of that was done as far as the parking lot goes uh because it hasn't had those issues in the past to our knowledge. Um if and
again I assume that and again I I hate to use the word assume but uh you know they have been paved to vehicle standards. Uh, I know there's a difference between heavy vehicles and light vehicles. Uh, and again, the if if the roads outside of Bethany are
impacted, uh, I'm sure when the lease is done, we'll look at it. If the council agrees that anything has been done, we'll certainly fix the damage, repave the roads, >> right? But we could be opening ourselves up for sinkholes. >> I I I'm not an engineer, so I I really
don't want to answer that. >> Right. And that's why I was asking about the studies and that was done and the qualifications because these are the sorts of things that are done when someone is looking to develop a piece of property >> or use a piece of property. That property was not developed to handle
heavy machinery on a constant traffic basis. Nor was Woodfield Road, Devon, or the other adjacent roads. None of them. They were built to DOT standards. Had to have been. But if the DOT is not
contacted to find out if that parking lot in those streets were met to those standards, we are opening ourselves up for a big whole nightmare. I mean, just look at the bridge in front of the library on Woodfield. How that's crumbling in disrepair and being washed
out. It's been at times, you can see the concrete falling away. um the house on Woodfield that's right by the stream. You can see their property falling into the stream. These are things that I don't know if
town engineer is qualified or if he took all the steps that he could have taken to properly assess that Bethany [clears throat] in that location and that entrance is suitable. Well, the trucks currently go up and down Hudson, which is the same
material, the same build as what's on Woodfield and Devon. And there's no issues on Hudson. I understand what you're saying. >> But the water table at Hudson is not the same as the water table. >> I don't have I don't know the answer to what you're asking because I I've not studied that. >> Okay. But just geographically, Hudson's
here. >> I understand it, but I don't I don't know the answer to that. So I I I I I hear your statement, but I'm just saying the the the the the depth of both is the same. And they go up and down Hudson every day and they go down Woodfield all the time also when
they when they do have to perform services on that street, >> right? when they go go going down it for a repair. going down. It the twice a week for the garbage trucks or the occasional snowstorm is not the same as half the fleet, threequarters of the
fleet, whatever it is that heavy twice a day or more if they've got to come in and do whatever leaf transfer on a sustained basis on something that is that close to the water is uh I think it's it's irresponsible to
town engineer and um information that should be looked into and shared. >> Okay, >> thank you. >> Um and then uh as far as >> you have one minute left, >> but the other um issues is that you know here we are
having an open meeting and we're asking questions and we've been repeatedly told that, oh that's Mr. D. Carlo, but Mr. D. Carlo is not here. Why didn't we schedule the meeting to when Mr. D Carlo was here? Why is the town engineer not
here? Why is a member of DPW who can answer some of the questions that mayor and and mayor calamari shouldn't know the inner workings of every single thing that the DPW does and doesn't do but the summit representative from the DPW could tell these things. So I just ask that if
we have another open forum about this that we have the people who can answer the questions that are being asked available to answer them. >> THANK YOU. >> [applause] >> CYNTHIA CLARK, C L A R K 53 Stratford.
>> Hold on. Oh, I'm sorry. >> Do you want to mention that the league is this week and that's why like Sue is not here. Not here. >> The League of the mayor just wanted to remind everybody the League of Municipalities is occurring this week and all a lot of our employees are down at the league already. So that's why they're not here.
>> We could have scheduled until they weren't here. >> How about December? >> December 2nd. I will >> they'll be here. >> They'll be the mayor said they will be here. >> Mr. McCall who will be here. >> What about do we are we going to ask the
engineer and the DBW superintendent? >> I have to check their schedule. I mean I know that they're going to be at the next meeting. I'd have to check those other people's commitments. Will they be prepared to answer the question that I asked? >> Okay. Yeah. >> Sorry, but you're still talking about it.
>> Um, I I wrote them down and so even if they're not here, I will ask them and have an answer. >> You're welcome. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. I have a number of questions. >> Can you just state your name? >> Cynthia Clark. C A R K 53 Stratford. I have a number of questions. I'd like
answers as I ask them. Um, how many pieces of equipment just in estimate? Um, do you anticipate housing at Bethany? >> Um, just trying to think, just give me a few
seconds. Um, I would say of of all different sizes or just major equipment. all I mean I I can't really answer as far as number of snow plows and little equipment like that. Uh larger equipment like trucks um
I would say plus or minus 30. >> Okay. With regard to the snow plows since that will they they will be housed there as well and will likely be going out in the middle of the night as snow as they do now. Is that accurate? >> Okay. Um where will the salt and the
brine be housed? Uh salt we were able to make an arrangement with the county that they are storing our salt for for the time being. >> And the brine >> uh brine I think we store in our own truck uh cuz we we purchase it off site
and it is stored in the brine truck. >> And the brine truck will be in Bethany. >> Correct. >> Um what was the date that the letter of intent for this lease was signed? I don't know that there is a letter of
intent. >> Okay. Um, if you could clarify the exact term of the lease, is it 12 months with the six-month extension or 18 months? >> It's 18 months. >> Okay. Okay. And how many extensions does
the lease allow for? And what would be the time period of those extensions? >> Uh, there are zero extensions built in. Um, and when is construction on the DPW building to begin? >> Uh, in December.
>> Is that hard and fast? It will start in December. >> Uh, yes. The construction company is virtually ready to start now. >> Okay. And you said that you have financing for that. So, has the timeline
allowed for um the construction uh rather the financing construction inspection um for each additional trench of financing that's provided. >> Um >> because typically that slows up
construction at least by a week. >> We I I'm quite sure that we have already bonded for the whole project and have the money on hand. Okay. >> Um, and when do you anticipate begin beginning to pay rent on this Bethany
lease? >> Um, the the start of operation there whenever that is, that date is to be determined. >> Okay. Okay. Um, was there a separate written agreement for the leasehold improvements that we
have already paid for? >> No, there is not. >> Okay. Okay. Um given that there was no separate letter of agreement, no letter of intent, no lease signed, um based on
my prior experience with lease improvements, um those leaseold improvements are now the property of Bethany. So, how if you can just clarify for me um how it is going to be written into the
lease that Bethany is required to allow us to return their now property to the condition that it was in originally. Um Siobhan, am I allowed to disclose that since it's in a working document uh that
we are going >> Can you repeat the question? I don't understand it. >> I said that leaseold improvements that amount to $58,000 were done based on my understanding of the answers that I have received today.
There was no letter of intent. There was no separate letter of agreement. Um, typically under lease laws. We did it without that is the property of Bethany. Now,
>> well, just understand if I can just clarify the the premise of the question. I understand what you're saying. In typical leases, there's fit up done to the property itself, improvements made, construction. These types of improvements are solely to the benefit that have been done are solely to the
benefit of the township and need to be removed actually at the end of the lease term in any event. So these are not permanent improvements that >> there is no lease in place. The improvements took place. They are Bethy's improvements. They own those
now. So what induces them to give up the benefit of those improvements? >> I I don't think they want them then. I think they insisted. Well, I I can be pretty sure because they've insisted they be removed as part of their [laughter]
>> except the right now the part of the fence that they want to stay. So, what if they change their minds and they decide they want the gate? >> They want the driveway. >> It's their property. Okay. Um
just to Mr. Smij's point about vermin. Um, I have lived here 23 years in the same home. I never had any issues during the paving. I had two mice. With regard to, I think it was Mr. um, Romeo's and Mr. Stickle's concerns about
safety. I'm not a big woman. Um, getting off a bus one night, having immediately gotten off the bus, I was almost hit by the bus because the driver did not see me. Despite my size, I am larger than most
children. I believe this is an extraordin and and the trucks are much larger than a bus. I believe this is an extraordinary burden on our DPW. I have seen bus drivers who have hit and hurt people
and they are never the same. And I think this is an issue beyond pedestrians and children. I think it is about our workers. And with regard to our workers, I have a question for everyone on the deis. How many of you, and I will make
it relevant. How many of you have ever seen a UPS truck make a left turn or a U-turn? >> You've never seen one ever once in your life. Is that accurate? >> I can't answer that. >> Okay. Has anyone in this audience ever seen a UPS driver make a left turn?
>> Okay. According to UPSHR policy, they are prohibited from making Uturns. They are prohibited from making left turns. It's considered to be more efficient. They do in fact make Uturns and left turns. I asked a UPS driver and
he laughed at me. He said, "I simply cannot get my route done and get my deliveries made if I follow all the rules." I believe we are also placing an unfair burden on our DPW workers to say you
can't go down Woodfield. You can't you have to make sure you're careful of children. I believe it is an impossible ask. Not that I am inviting more trucks on Woodfield. I am saying this is an
untenable location for the work that we are expecting our people to do. Thank you. [applause] >> Would anybody else like to come up? >> How are you? Glenn Bartlett. I live at 2472 Cleveland. >> You said Bartlett. >> Yes, Bartlett.
>> Thank you, Mr. Bartlett. >> I just had a couple questions for the township attorney and for the mayor and um I have a career. Can you speak to the microphone? >> Thank you. >> Can you hear me better? >> I work in land use and real estate and
um deal a lot with um flood hazard planes and certain areas of C1 riparian rights and I just had a question if you guys filed the proper D freshwater permits or flood hazard permits that would be made necessary for anything 300
ft past the C1 stream. My understanding in speaking with the administrator that there is no requirement from the D, he's checked that, the engineer has checked that, but they will be available on December 2nd at the public hearing, the evidentiary hearing for this ordinance
to answer that and any other questions that you may have. >> Understandable. Okay. Well, I live on the complete I live on the opposite side. If I do anything to my home and anything that's within 300 ft or any structure, it's required. So, I would say, can I ask a question? Are
you guys speaking directly with the D or do you have a hired representative? >> Yes, this is an ex understand this is an existing parking lot. Um so there's you know I don't believe there's any inc encroachment into the the buffer >> about the curb cuts the curb cuts and actually
>> Okay. Yeah. You know what I it it again it's uh I my understanding is that the engineer has looked at the this uh Mr. D. Carlo the township administrator has spoken directly with D um and they you know they have satisfied themselves that
those have been um uh you know complied with in every respect but again you deserve a full answer to the question at the evidentiary hearing on this ordinance. >> Okay. Well, I really I guess then my main thing just to say is that I feel like I
know you guys have the best interest in trying to help the community, but just I feel like I have to speak more to the people of this room and I really do love the turnout that came and I feel like the only route for everybody here is to kind of go more of the direction of speaking to any of the board members
of Bethany and with speaking to board members of Bethany, I think that sooner than later they'll come to the realization of what this will do to the deterioration of their value of their property. To answer the question of the last person who was up here speaking of Valley National Bank, the reason why there'd be no consideration to do
anything there would be because you are heavily impacting the value of any truly developmental aspect you could do down the road. They'd have to do a phase one phase two and to follow that question at OLGC specifically even at the next person who goes there will be environmental testing that will have
some impact that will come out environmentally. So why do that temporarily at another site when it's already most likely and heavily impacted as it is speak I spoke to Mr. Carlo today and he specifically said to me that there would be no salt use there would be no changing of oil and then
actually hearing from the mayor today about some type of possible lawnmower repair or even salt storage even leaf transfer debris that comes down and that sits on the roadway can be considered to be contaminated material.
>> [clears throat] >> So really my question is is if you see that impact that could come there, how can the property owner and the board here or anybody who negotiated the deal not be legally liable for the actual value that will impacted them
because if they're not able to use it as it is after the fact, it's going to heavily impact anybody looking to do what they obviously their highest and best use would be to develop in the future. >> I'm not I'm not understanding your question, Mr. Parley. the the f the future would be to restore it back to
the parking lot that it is and going to remain. >> That one lot though out of two areas in town is almost designating the master plan for redevelopment. Is that correct? >> It is a it is an overlay zone, but the whole entire lot is an overlay zone. It is not. It is one lot. >> I understand that. I'm not saying it's
one lot or two lots, but is in the master plan is it not designated for redevelopment? >> It's it's designated as an overlay zone. >> Okay. >> For affordable housing. affordable housing, which is essentially, as people may not know here, that's basically being designated for redevelopment or to be an area.
>> No, it's not being designated for redevelopment. It's just being designated as an overlay zone. It gives the owner affordable housing. >> If the owners decide in the future that they could recoup all their money by doing something differently and and they have the the ability to use the overlay
zone that's permitted there. >> And then what about your parking ratio and parking requirements for the square feet of the Bethany? now taking out that many parking spots, wouldn't that change their current use or wouldn't they have to reapply for a variance for the amount of parking spots they have to what's there now? No.
>> No. The uh the municipal municipalities have broad discretion and flexibility when it comes to serving the public and meeting their needs. So that is why the municipal land use law although it provides broad authority for
municipalities to impose zoning variances, bulk variances, all of that on on its citizens, it it does not impose the same obligations on the municipality itself. So that's that use is not triggering any obligation when it
comes to zoning issues. I live directly on the path there and I can't even explain the amount of traffic and the amount of people that literally come from other areas to park there and to walk around that very well popular known path and that's a true highlight of this town and I work in real estate in this
town and I feel like that is a true feature of everyone in the community here and doing this temporarily in that time even though it's 18 months which most likely in any building procedure could be longer just as the fire department as an example I just feel like that's you can't you
can't even put how impactful that could really be. You're truly taking away that whole area. So again, all I say is that I don't think that there could be anything reached in reason if there's no environmental concerns that can uh be reason to not do this. The only thing I can say that I feel like will help all
the residents is go to Bethany, talk to Bethany, talk to some of the board members of Bethany. I myself spoke with them today and they said they haven't heard from any residents or have any concern. But also I want to ask is in the least that you guys have speaking with them I don't feel like you guys are being as transparent as you can be about
the time that it starts and really what it is. Is that something that you guys aren't allowed to disclose to us or even if that if I know the information of it I'm not allowed to say publicly here? >> You mean the commencement date of the lease? >> Correct. >> It it won't commence until the municipal process in passing the ordinance. So
that that is why it >> sure maybe the board member I spoke to today was misunderstood, but he seemed to think that it has a December 1st start. >> Maybe that's his anticipated date. I'm I'm not sure. >> It can't be a December 1st start because the meeting is on December 2nd.
>> So I don't know if he just is just ballparking the date, >> but if it it has to pass. Yeah, >> I was going to say that I think that when you guys did that lease, maybe that consideration December 2nd wasn't in place. But that's what he said to me. I'm not sure. But I again just to any of
the residents, I think the best course of action would be to go to directly to talk to Bethany because they are and have become a main community staple of our area and I feel like the voices that need to be heard need to be more towards them and I don't feel like there could be any good results that could come. But
thank you guys for your service. >> Thank you, Mr. >> Barley. Anybody else like to come up this time? Can I just clarify questions? Sure. Mrs. Romeo, >> Linda Romeo, 282 Woodfield. Um, what's an overlay zone?
>> It is. You want to answer that? Go ahead. No, you are. You're [laughter] the attorney. >> All right. A as you probably have heard, um the uh the New Jersey [clears throat] um state legislature has imposed on every municipality in the state of New
Jersey an obligation to not only zone for uh a yield of a specific number of affordable housing units, but also if they can't zone because there's not a lot of developable property, which is typical of towns like Washington
Township, which are almost fully developed, that it overlays certain already developed properties um so that in the event it does turn over and is sold at some point the the property
owner can sell to a developer and these are the these are the you know the zoning that it would be it would enjoy so it can sell to a developer and and yield affordable housing. It does not require a property owner to ever sell
their property or develop it in a certain way or sell it to anybody in particular. Um, but these are obligations imposed upon the state of New Jersey. There's been a lot of push back from this township in particular in joining the consortium of other
municipalities throughout the state to oppose this really uh difficult I'll I'll put it mildly legislation that has been imposed upon towns like this to to come up with a number of affordable units that just is not realistic. and
the T I know the townships the mayor has been fighting that the council is on board with that and we're doing everything we can to push back on that. [clears throat] But long story longer that is what an overlay zone is. It's currently a statemandated you know if
and when they want to sell to somebody this is this is the amount of units they can and to be clear it was that back part of Bethany that's the overlay >> the whole the whole property >> the whole property is is overlaid >> the whole property. Yes. So, so if Bethany sold to somebody else, they
could then become affordable housing. >> Correct. >> But not necessarily. >> Let's clarify. >> They're not going to build 500 affordable housing units. They have the opportunity to develop because they're
going to want to develop at market rate to recover. they are mandated to include a percentage of affordable housing units. So it is a lever
that builders will use to um develop those types of properties because they will say that we are going to assign a certain number as affordable. So, it's not 100%
affordable. You know, we're not that's not the point. The point is is that it allows builders to build at a certain density and include an affordable housing element. So, it's an overlay zone that allows for the addition or the
inclusion of affordable units. >> Okay. >> So, I think we should be clear because we say affordable housing like we're going to put up some type of tenement or, you know, row housing. I appreciate the concept and so but I do thank you for your for clarifying that. Um the
egress onto Woodfields well I guess that would depend if if that ever came to be so we can fight that later. Um also to clarify another point um the evidentiary meeting is on December 2nd.
Directly within that meeting or after that meeting would be the vote on this >> just like it was at the last meeting. It'll be the same. >> Yeah. And that kind of didn't feel right to me either because you heard all the objections and then didn't have time to act on any of our objections and then voted. So now we're saying that there'll
be an evidentiary meeting on December 2nd at which time the engineer will be there, the DBW guy. >> Well, again, the mayor that the mayor assure, you know, has has >> has said that he will arrange for those people to be there to answer the questions that are coming up tonight, but then the vote would happen right
then. So even if the answers that we get do not appease or sit well or you know um well we just don't like them you know that they don't their answers but they're not they still require further work. You're still going to vote that
night without having an opportunity to address it >> unless it's tabled or or changed. We will vote that night. >> Right. But the lease starts when >> the lease starts when the >> building starts in December. >> No. >> Well, the building is going to start in
December. >> The new building here. >> Yeah. The building here is >> the contractor is ready to >> Right. So, so the likelihood of the vote not happening on December 2nd, I think
would be low. Um, so I'm just curious as to the timing of that. That just I it goes back to my point that if this was discussed with us up front, you know, focus group findings would have revealed all of
these things and we wouldn't be standing here. You've done a lot of work and you've put a lot of thought into it and and so on. But we weren't represented and now we feel like we're speaking into the darkness because the vote is still going to happen no matter what findings
we get that night. no matter what we find out about the water table or the environmental stuff or the DPW operations or anything else. So, it's it goes back to trust, transparency, communication. This is a small town that
we love. This is a part of the town that we love, a part of the town that gives value to not only my home, but everybody else that uses it. This is a safety issue. There's so many things that that just aren't sitting right. and and I'm
so so sorely disappointed. Um, >> you have 30 seconds. >> Okay. My 30 seconds are at the very least it h we have to eress through Pascal Road. That's that would answer a lot of the safety concerns. It's not going to answer the environmental concerns, but hopefully there aren't
any. But at the very least, that has to that has to happen. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> Absolutely. Mary Roth, 119 Woodfield Road. Um, I just want >> Roth. >> Roth. Yes. >> Not R Os.
Um, I just want to build on to what Kathy had mentioned. Um, [sighs] if we don't do any sampling of the soil near the the ri the brook or in the parking lot, what's to stop Bethany to come back
to us after this whole lease is done if there's contamination um and coming back to us and making and implying that it is our fault. Is there something in the lease that's going to hold us harmless for any, you know, contamination that may happen in that
parking lot? A I'm concerned about the brook. We live on the lake and I'm concerned about the contamination that could potentially happen from whatever activities could happen in that parking lot. Um, and that contaminating the lake
and then how does that impact our home value and the value of the whole entire lake association. Um, B, I am extremely concerned about the safety on the road. Um, I walk around the lake constantly. I was walking around the lake today and
the DPW people were over on Colonial still picking up leaves well after 3:30. So, I don't know about the timing of when things are going to be happening. Um, the other question I have, the main question I also have is will these trucks and this heavy equipment other
than servicing Woodfield Road, will they be going down the length of Woodfield Road constantly from Ridgewood to the DPW site here? I maybe I didn't read what their path of egress is going to be going out to Pascak or going out to
Ridgewood. Um, but are they going to be allowed to come the length of Woodfield Road on a constant basis? Because I do believe that those roads were not built for that. The road is narrow, the trucks are large. Um, and just today the DPW
trucks and the the front end loader were speeding down Woodfield Road and I constantly have the argu I come to town meetings. I was here a couple of weeks ago and we were talking about parking boats in the sideyards about the speed on Woodfield Road. I was away and I did
hear that they put some speed um signs up or tracking the signs, but I have a big concern about the speed speed of heavy trucks um when they're not servicing plowing the road or picking up the leaves on Woodfield Road and um and
or are they going down Devon? I don't know, you know, the length of Devon. I mean, what is what is the egress that they're going to be using as a practice on in this area? Has that been determined? I think someone mentioned that they >> It was determined and discussed at the
last meeting. Uh Mr. Mayor, I think >> Unfortunately, I'm I'm not recalling it right now. So, if anyone else does, you know, please feel free to chime in. I'm just like you, Mike, I remember it was spoken about. Um you know, Mr. D. Carlo would have the answer to that. I just
don't want to misstate anything. >> The intent is not to go up and down what you just said, Mrs. Roth. >> I believe it was right out of the parking lot. Correct. >> Around Woodfield and I forget what that first >> Oxford. Thank you. And Oxford. >> That's what I believe Mr. D Carlo said. >> That was the route.
>> That was the route that was said in the last meeting. Mr. I mean, I think you should go back to the engineer and really, you know, the attorney should really look at what potential down the road if there's any environmental spills. Do we have an environmental response plan in place that if something
were to happen, all the brine flows out of the truck or whatever? Um, do we have something in place before we even take possession of this property? Um, >> I can tell you we do have an environmental response plan in place uh for our existing DPW. I believe most if
not all of that would just carry through to the new location uh regardless of the proximity of the brook. There are just certain things that have to be done. Uh and so we have that in place and you know again by law we're required to report any contamination to the D.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you Mr. D. [applause] Good evening, Mr. Derso. >> Good. Yourself? >> Hi, Joe Derso. D U R SO 12 Biola Terrace. I was driving home from work. I
was listening to this on YouTube. I haven't been here in a while, but I don't know who it was. Somebody was mentioning land swaps or with Valley Bank. Um, [clears throat] to my knowledge, I think Valley Bank. I know there's a plan in place supposedly the bank is closing 1231.
There's development that I believe the planning board uh put through. So I don't think a land swap could possibly happen. Good idea, but and it's not owned by Valley Bank. The property is privately owned through an LLC. I won't mention the names in public, but it's
not owned by Valley Bank to my knowledge. So, I did check on it because I live [clears throat] on Biola, which affects me with whatever project they're going to do. And and I do appreciate everybody's concern here about, you know, Bethany and opening up. I drove
past there over the weekend or, you know, Sunday like got this big black thing on the fence. Looks horrible in my opinion, but you know, and I do I feel bad for everybody here because it's called nimi. Nobody wants it in their backyard. I faced it years ago with the cell phone tower. I didn't want that
ugly tower. But then again, I'd be hypocritical. We all use cell phones, so it's there. But my question is, first of all, Valley Bank, you really brought it up. Somebody wrote up it is an overlay property now. Correct. It wasn't it
switched from Stonemill Gardens to It wasn't Stone Mill still has it. >> So Stone Mill Stone Mill still is the original overlay along with Bethany. That is correct. >> Okay. So you hear rumors. This town's full of rumors, but I guess my only
other question really is, was there any, and I get the people, they're very upset because it's going to go in there for a year and a half. Was there any consideration discussing with Pamis or Westwood temporarily because they have the properties where you could store
your trucks? I mean, it looks like an eyesore at the church. I'm sure these people aren't gonna like, you know, trucks back there, noises back there and everything. I'm sure. I know the swim club, you can't put it on there because I believe it's Green Acres now. >> That's correct. [snorts]
>> Um 450 Pascac >> there's Green Acres also. >> That's considered Green Acres now. Okay. So, you really can't touch. So, I I I understand their concern, but was there any discussion with I know Hillsdale has issues with DPW West big property.
paramis even bigger right down the road. Did was there any consideration? >> Council had asked the mayor the mayor did reach out to Westwood. I know they had meetings, right, Mr. Mayor? I want to speak for you. >> Um yet yes, we did uh have a conversation with Westwood. Uh it it did not yield anything positive
>> in Paramis. >> Pamis we did not. >> Yeah. So I'm just saying I know it's two miles down the road. It's it could have been but I you know those are things I question. Nobody Nimi nobody wants it in their backyard. It's you know this is why you have a crowd here tonight. Absolutely. >> Um, you know, I feel bad for everybody.
I feel bad for myself because I'm supposeding I'm getting a six building project, you know, 100 feet down from where I live. I live up on the hill. My neighbors who or backyards a bud to that property. It's it's it's a shame. And I know you can't stop affordable housing. This town, this the state just throws it
down our throats. Um, [clears throat] why I'm here, I know it's totally differently subject. What's going on at Fillmore for those poor people? Horrible. Horrible planning. should have never happened. That property should have been more towards the parkway. You're building a building in somebody's backyard. That that's it's called
planning. I mean, better planning should have to happen in this town before you just move forward. So, that's all I'm saying. And again, you know, I appreciate everybody coming out fighting and talking, but it's pamas probably would have been a good idea. >> Thank you, Mr. Darson.
>> Anybody? Can I just um I doubt the bank is closing on the 31st cuz I'm a customer there. I don't know how many of you, but they would have to send us notice by law that that branch is closing. So, and I haven't heard them say that at all, Joe. Uh and I know the company you're referring to. I believe
that Valley purchased that company from Oriani when they did everything. So, I know the company name you're referring. >> Mention the name. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. But I think Valley when they purchased Oritani purchased that company name and therefore that property. >> So it's it's
>> a small. >> Yeah. >> Would anybody else like to come up at this time? >> Go ahead, sir. >> Thanks. Greg Massie 227 Devon Mass E. >> Uh I wasn't going to speak. I wasn't going to come. My friends urged me. I live on Devon Road right [clears throat]
by, you know, kind of center. Um, I have a question and I don't want you guys to take this the wrong way. Do anybody on the council or anybody making these decisions live near Bethany or on Woodfield or on Stratford or on Devon? So, it doesn't affect anybody really on
the council that's making this decision. It affects us as neighbors, people that walk all the time, walk our dogs, walk through school walk. Um, I walked down the street to go to AM& well food town now and you know dog house and whatever
few years ago they put up a fence safety for the kids not coming out. Then they put up a gate then they put up a chain link fence that goes across and on that chain link fence is a gate but they paddle. So now you got to walk all the way around. So you're near the street or you're near the egress. Imagine coming
out a school walk kid on a bike you know they fly out. It's a nice quiet street. Without it, it doesn't go through. So, you have a little bit of safety. Imagine 30 trucks at some point coming in and out at all times. Maybe morning, afternoon, when school gets
out, 3:30 like >> May I interrupt you just when I said 30 trucks that was just how many were going to be stored there. That many will not be coming and going every day. >> We have a lot of equipment that is seasonal that will be >> understood. Understood. But the trucks are going to be coming in and out of there at points during the day when
children could be, >> you know, affected by it. >> So my point is, was any of that taken into consideration when it was decided to put it here? The logical thing is to go past that road. I know I read in the article that they said that was a game changer. That's a stopper again. And
it's been said if I was on the council, I would have said, "Well, we're giving you all this money. We're making these improvements. We're doing this for you. You give us this because it's on a main road and it's not affecting the safety of our residents. So, you know, again, it was said to go
back and you said that you will and ask them and you know, it's appreciated. Um but the I have one more state maybe I didn't um it just it just seems that it was the
transparency not the way this progressed I think is making a lot of people upset and as a town that you live in that we pay taxes you [clears throat] know DBW you got to pay for your own garbage bags I pay a lot of money for taxes I still got to pay for bags which I don't I bring it to work cuz I refuse to you
fall into that nonsense. But, you know, the money that we're paying to live in this secluded little tranquil area, you know, I pay for the lake association. I live a block off the lake. Does Bethany have any ties to the lake that they may or may not be affecting with the possible environmental? You know, all
these points are valid and should have been brought up and should have been collected and brought to the people prior to making a decision prior to spending $60,000 on something that you know what now? Maybe you guys think about the things that we're saying maybe it's not going to happen. So where's that $60,000
go at the end of the lease? If Bethany, you know, they don't want the gate there, who's paying for the removal of the gate, the fence? >> Is that our tax part? It's part of our agreement. >> So that's our taxpayers money as well. That's correct. >> So that's I just wanted to bring those
points up. You know, I appreciate your time and >> thank you, Mr. Mass. [applause] >> You can't come back up, Mr. Sorry. >> Yes. In the back. >> Hi, Judy Guma. Gu. >> Hi, Mrs. Guma.
>> Hi. Who are you? 289 Woodfield Road. So, I'm a resident of uh 30 years. We love our neighborhood. We love our town. Piggybacking on everyone what everyone has said about the safety. How much consideration not only for walkers, not
only for other people from other towns, but there's two major elementary schools of Washington Township and two major ball fields. I live there. My house is the white fence. I'm outside every day.
I see children every day. To think that this is occurring or may occur is is mindboggling. There's a young little girl right across the street. Yohi. Did you ever drive on Woodfield Road on
the bay on a nice sunny day with one car? One car. Now picture it at night. snowy, dark with a big big truck and there could be people walking. I
mean this needs to be considered. This is residential. This cannot cannot happen in regard to the situation. When we got the letter, the
few of us that got the letter so conveniently when Mr. D. Carlo came on or about the Friday of Labor Day dated September 29th and I brought this up last week does not mention anything in the township of Washington's letter
about operations of leaves leaves. [clears throat] And you know and I know you go outside these piles there are a lot of pumpkins. There's landscapers that throw their soda. I pick up. I care about the green area that the town so
nicely built up. When those leaves get picked up and there's garbage in between and I'm the house right next door and all my neighbors here and there's Norway rats also in the lake
and now you're adding some more trash. That was not stated. And lastly, you know, they talk about the lack of transparency and the lack of planning in the post in the Pasc press. As for
vehicle/ equipment storage after the lease expires expires, D Carlo said there is no solid plan at this time. Komari said post lease storage needs would be addressed. Okay, so we saw what happened with this
whole situation. So when will there be an address? So you go into an agreement and then we were told that when the DPW is completed on Hudson that there's not enough for these trucks. So back to the
same question that all my neighbors have asked, what is the insurance? What's going to happen in 18 months when we're told, you know what, we're stuck. We have no other place and it's worked out for now. So, you know what? Maybe
another six months. How do we know that? I know that you people are saying, "Yes, yes, I agree. I agree." We don't know that for sure. And you know what? I'm sorry to say with the lack of transparency and communication,
I'm I'm troubled and I know that everyone here is troubled about that. >> Absolutely. >> And and it's um It it's it's very concerning. You know what? Because we love our homes. We put a lot into our homes. If you go into that area, there's
a lot of people that we have we have reinvested. And you know what? I'm not going to just talk about my home, but my home is elevated. My deck is going to look overlook this. Three of my bedrooms will
overlook this. It doesn't mean anything to anyone here, but it should be a consideration about the safety and about the safety of Woodfield Road making that bend with children and it's a narrow narrow bin and that's on a good day with
a car on a sunny day. So really, please consider this. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. [cheering] >> [applause] >> You're next. >> You're next. >> Matthew Jacob, JSUB.
>> Good evening, Mr. Jacob. >> 286 Woodfield Road. I was here last Monday and I said um I'm going to repeat what I said. My driveway is blocking half of the gate that you have right behind me. I'm just going to speak on the safety thing, but some of
my neighbors spoke. Um, it's a scary prospect because the high school's down the block. You have a library, you have kids. I open my blinds at 6:00 in the morning. I've met I've been living this town for four
years. There are people that comes all the way from River Edge, Pramis, and all the all around Washington Township that park their car right in front of the gate that you guys built and walk around the lake. And he said the trucks leave at 7:00 and come back at 3. That's the
same time when kids from high school ride their bike around Devon or walk down Woodfield, use a path to cross around the lake. I have a daughter that's 8-year-old. Me and my wife has been speaking to her that she can't be riding the bike out because the truck's
literally driving, you know, like the gate that you have built is half my driveway. So, I'm just going to speak on the safety concern. I'm not going to go into the whole thing, but I would humbly request you guys to please reconsider this whole thing. I feel like it's a scary I'm not even going to talk about
the night time because you have the whole black thing around the gate and I see people even at 8:30 in the night that to park their car and walk around 8:30 in the night. So I would humbly request you guys to please reconsider this whole thing. You know it's it's it's extremely dangerous. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >> I have to just excuse myself for a couple minutes. I apologize. take a five minute break. >> I mean, if you want to continue. >> No, go ahead. Go ahead. >> I apologize, but I have to take a five minute break. >> Do you want to continue? >> Can we wait? Because if you haven't I
sincerely apologize. This is the Is this the same discussion? So you want to do Everybody Sassy 246 Woodfield Road. Hello again. I was here last Monday. I want to thank
Mr. Denna for being the only one to vote no. And I hope after your hearing [applause] all of these testaments about safety, environmental controls, and how it affects the real estate of our community that you reconsider.
We also haven't addressed cuz you're talking about how these trucks will only be here from 7 to 3. Okay, school lets out in June. My kids, they're the boys with the fishing poles driving all around on their bikes with their friends to every field and basketball court.
What's our plan with summer camp? Bethany hosts a very large summer camp that my children also attend. With over 600 children, how are we going to keep those children safe? And are you okay if
something happens to one of those children, knowing that all of these people that came again to express this that you did not vote no? I understand that you already spent money, but we're spending so much more money to pay Bethany.
Can we consider keeping the trucks at OLGC and then finding another place if we don't have room? I'm just saying I don't know how many more people have to say the same thing. It's a big part of our town for this lake, this walking
path, and for the safety. Nobody wants this. So if we could reconsider and push back the vote or if we could vote no like Mr. Denna did and preserve our town, preserve the values of our home and keep the kids safe,
then we can all work together to keep our town the way it is. Thank you. [applause] >> Anybody else like to come up at this time? Seeing no one, motion to close the public. Oh, I'm sorry. >> Carol Zane, 249 Woodfield Road.
>> Mrs. Zayn, it's Zwa. >> Z W A I N >> Z W A I N. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. I just want to say that I commend Stephanie Dasi for coming up here and asking
all of you to please consider voting this down. All of the people that are here in this audience tonight and we were here last week as well. This is something that we do not want. We
understand you've been frustrated. You haven't found a spot. You looked at the swim club. It didn't work out. You had residents there give you opposition. But in the meantime, the swims the swim club is six acres of land. And I
understand there were residents, but it's set back and it backs up to the parkway. That would have been the ideal location. >> Unfortunately, Mrs. Wayne, when we when the count the previous council accepted the grant from the county for the swim
club, it made it part of open of of um green green uh green acres >> green space and green acres. Therefore, we are not allowed to park the vehicles like we were parking it because before the vehicles were moved to OLC, they were being stored there and I believe we
got a cease and desist letter, Mr. Mayor, to remove the vehicles from the property from the county and and Green and Green Acres. Correct. Let me ask you, can money be given back? >> I wish it could. >> And it Okay. So then we go back. >> We can't give it back.
>> We can't give it back. Okay. So then we go back to the most logical of all of the solutions and that is OGC. [clears throat] We have been renting up there and we have done it for many years. Our lease is coming due in
December. We were paying $64,000 for two years. That is a big difference from what it is adding up to at Bethany at almost 160 including the improvements that we've
given them. I am asking you, we talked about transparency that we should have open communication with our council, have faith in you, but you weren't transparent with us. You only went and Mr. D. Carlo, even though he
said 37 letters went out, I'm sorry. Within 200 ft, there are maybe seven houses. So, the point is, what about the rest of us on Woodfield, on Devon, on Stratford,
on West uh on Finity? How come Oxford you're affecting us? and on Cleveland Avenue, how you could have gone ahead and made improvements, cut a curb, put a
driveway in, put a gate and a and and a fence. How could you do that without a signed lease? We can't do work on our homes without having the proper paperwork. How did you do that?
And and I get it. I get it. You tried many places, but you don't look at us like we're the afterthought. And sorry, guys, but we had to choose your spot. Go back to OOLGc. I don't care if they
supposedly don't have enough spaces. Mr. Mayor, you just said we have 30 some odd vehicles. We are renting 30 some odd spaces there now. Okay. What are they going to do? Put our vehicles there. Let
your residents be happy. Let us enjoy our lives, our environment, our children to be safe. Everyone enjoys this area. It's just not fair. And I'm imploring
you, please reconsider, vote this proposition, which has been very, very confusing. Last week you voted and then we find out in the newspaper it wasn't a quorum. We
don't know that. You know, we're noviceses. We don't come to every single meeting that you have. We trust you. We put our faith in you. Can you please show that we should put our faith in you? Give us something. Vote this down.
Put that curb back. Put it all back in its natural way. And so there's poor people that live across from there. Our neighbors put trees back there so they can be shielded the way they should be from the parking lot. It's not good
enough to ask ask Bethany to go in through pass tac. It's not good enough because you might be setting a precedence and one day maybe they want to rent out their land for something else. No, we don't want something else.
We don't even want this. So, please, I'm asking you, reconsider. I don't It's not good enough to hear that you fought for a 5K to be in our neighborhood. You like running there. You don't live there. We live on quiet
streets. That's where we chose. We don't live on a main road, a main thoroughfare that has traffic that. So please, I'm asking you to do the right thing for all of us, for our children, for all of the
citizens of Washington Township. >> Thank you. >> Good evening, G. Hi, my son here is to um wanting to speak. My name is Jill Janos, 200 Devin Road. This is Gavin. >> Good evening, Gavin. And Mr.
>> A thing that he wrote here while we were watching the meeting that he'd like to share. >> Thank you. Go ahead, Gavin. >> I don't think you should do this because I bike every day in the summer and around the area of Bethany all the time. I don't want to have to worry about getting hit by a truck that is coming
out of nowhere that can't see me. I also fish a lot around that the lake and I don't want the risk of the water getting polluted and not being able to fish. Also, I always see people walking around that area at all times of the day. I do
not think you should do this because um wait, >> take your time. You got this. >> Kids are walking home from school at when they're leaving and coming home. Um, long story short, like I don't think
you guys should do this because it doesn't benefit anybody in any way. >> That's right. >> Thank you. [applause] >> I'd also like to add this is the face of the community. These are the children that are there all the time. And while
we as parents always wish that they are being safe, sometimes they are not. And the the amount of times you tell your drivers to be safe, obviously they're not looking to hit children riding their bikes, but accidents do happen. And this is a very real concern and a very very
very heavily pedestrian trafficked and bike trafficked pathway and it's very upsetting to people. And also [clears throat] I my other question and I don't know if you can answer it too is is the DP even
aware that we are wanting to park trucks here because my concern is this is a C1 waterway. There's a lot of restrictions about what can happen there and obviously this parking lot must have been grandfathered in because it is 30
feet in some areas. I I checked on Google Earth. So, while that's not 100% accurate, the parking lot is about 30 ft from this stream. Parking a truck that close to a stream that is a C1 waterway is a very serious
environmental concern. So, thank you. >> Thank you, MR. [applause] >> Would anybody else like to come up this time? Motion to close the public portion of the meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> Thank you. >> Ordinances. Introduction first reading. Ordinance number 25-25. An ordinance authorizing entry into a lease agreement with Bethany Church. Motion to introduce and pass ordinance number 25-25 at first reading by title. Do I have a motion? >> So moved.
>> Second. >> Roll call. Councilman Sears, >> yes. >> Councilman Omen, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Alles, >> yes. >> Council President Deta, >> no. >> Resolution number 25-348 authorizing publication of ordinance
number 25-25 and scheduling a public hearing. Do I have a motion? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Councilman Sears. >> Yes. >> Councilman Omen. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman, >> yes. >> Council President, >> no. Motion to adjurnn.
>> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Next meeting of the township council will be held on Tuesday, December 2nd at 2025, beginning at 7 p.m. Sign up for NIXL. Text 07676 to 888777.
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