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every commercial vehicle in a residential district shall be screened with fencing or a landscape buffer or both such screening shall be designed to Shield the commercial vehicle from nearby residences uh I think there was uh
a number of counsil people who felt that that was a little too broad and ambiguous and they were hoping to have something a little more uh substantive in terms of uh a description of the
screening and uh what it uh the intended uh coverages the second uh if I may was uh a issue excuse me for a second I just want
to call it up so I'm referring to it properly the township has a parking ordinance currently uh I'm getting there
uh 330 Dash um 1 through through 8 uh and article two parking of commercial vehicles in residential areas
so this existing uh ordinance has definitions that conflict with the definitions that we came up with
specifically um in column excuse me in uh subo F of the proposed ordinance uh we talk about a vehicle that should not exceed 8 feet
in width 10 feet in height or 23 feet in overall length uh this ordinance uh that's on the books uh States specifically height in excess of 8 feet
uh length in excess of 18 feet and width in excess of s feet uh as well as a weight limit and um a limit on the number of
wheels so uh the ordinance that's on the books today says you can't exceed four wheels and the vehicle weight can't exceed 11,000 pounds so we have a a
disconnect there um and that was you know basically uh the other point is the harmonization of our ordinance or the proposed ordinance with the existing ordinance and
either propose that uh I would interpret that we either uh update hours to reflect or align or harmonize with the existing ordinance or recommend that the existing ordinance
change um and that was uh the basic discussion okay and as you know we went through a lot of procrastination on on the dis ordinance around height and weight and length and all that right well we did I
I uh I would agree with that but I also believe that we requested that a review take place between uh Mr Burgess and or
uh his associate and our attorney for the town and that you know they would review and you know take care not address that harmonization issue and that either wasn't done or wasn't highlighted
back to us and you know I I think it's if you read the ordinance that's on the books today uh you know it's very prescriptive in
uh the size of the vehicles so um you know we probably could have started with that and work worked off of that as opposed to coming up with our own and being in
the same position got got no thank thank you for those comments I think anyone else Mr Mayor any comments um I I apologize I left my notes from the council meeting either at home or in my office I thought they were in my car uh the only thing I other
thing I could think of Michael did someone say something about referencing boat storage also yes excuse me that just comes to mind okay all right so I think as a next step if the board agrees I will reach out to Steve
Leyden uh from Burgess Associates provide them with these comments and have uh Steve reappear before the board uh our hands anymore it's mayor and council's ordinance now correct me if I'm wrong mayor at this point mayor and
Council decides what to introduce so we only made a recommendation but the mayor of council now looks at it and says we agree disagree or we agree with comments I certainly won't question the legal aspect of it that's why you're here however I think the council's intent was
to see if the planning board would buy into the recommendations even though it may not be required would you categorize that Michael as a fair statement yeah I think they you know they want to work with the board yes that would occur after introduction definitely that has
to occur want to do that's you're actually adding a step because if I mean you can informally confirm maybe and then introduce an ordinance and hopefully it's going to be acceptable to this board uh you get sort of in sensus
today maybe have Len work with Mr lien to introduce the ordinance that the council wants adopted it's really the council's opinion in the final final decisions not the planning board I don't think there I don't think the council is viewing that it's the planning board's
decision I think they are asking for the planning board's input right uh you know we gave them their input we gave them our Collective input and uh the two areas that were highlighted were two
areas that we spent a uh quite a bit of time on reviewing uh and you know we didn't review it collectively we didn't review it properly uh or one could argue we didn't review it properly because we have an
ordinance on the books that you know contradicts it you know item by item understand like I'm saying it's it's really adding a step to yeah so the mayor and council is saying look we're
happy with our ordinance existing and we want this ordinance to to be consistent then you introduce the ordinance consistent with the ex existing wance then it comes back here and if you guys disagree you can say we disagree and then the mayor and Council does what
it wants to but correct me if I'm wrong the draft ordinance was not presented as a first reading right at the mayor of council correct it was presented as a draft or a draft for discussion so you can now introduce to the first reading
if you have consensus on the change it sounds like it needs to be changed it's inconsistent so I don't think this board is going to say well we disagree let it be inconsistent right I mean right so I don't know if you really want to take that additional step why not speak to Mr
Li and raise those concerns to him that he may say yeah you're right this new ordinance needs to be changed and form and he can do that they could pass it on first reading comes back to us and we
send it back to them that would cut out step and cut out all right two weeks to a month of you word be used uh delay okay yeah and again if I can just add something I don't know if it was Mr lien and the
board's intention to have what we put supersede what's in the ordinance as opposed to trying to merge it together we we just never spoke about was this going to be a direct replacement of of that ordinance in total or were we
trying to merge what was in there with our recommendations I I just don't know Council was correct it was discussion about making sure whatever new ordinance is proposed is consistent with what's on the books unless of course you want to change the existing ordin right I don't
hear that is a desire I I you know I think what I'm here is we should have just stuck with what we had but we didn't know what we had can is that sort of uh well this is more expansive first of all
the proposed ordinance is more substantial substantive excuse me uh in that uh the ordinances that uh that are currently on the books uh specifically speak only to commercial vehicles does
not bring in the recreational vehicles um and you know based on where this is being slotted uh chapter 580 I mean I would have to go through to figure out where that is but
uh it sounds like there are two different uh sections of our uh ordinances regulations whatever we're going to call them uh and that they should be harmonized at some point
um so if that means the council has to change it uh you know I I just I guess I feel that's you know this was in our court
um there is a for lack of a better term a defect that was identified and they're asking for it to be corrected before they consider it I you know I
I guess I I see it as streamlining the process not delaying it but you know certainly others may have a different opinion I don't know if this board has to pass on that if Mr lien says hey you're right Council and he redrafts I don't know if this board has
to pass on it first it definitely will pass on it afterwards and presumptively agree if this is correct and it sounds like it's correct it's using disconnect so you to correct what's introduced yeah so what I will do is I will speak to Mr
lien I provide the comments from the mayor and council meeting on Monday and I will get his point of view and present at the next meeting well if he feels to bring it back here that's that's fine I don't know he's going to say that I think you know
maybe just say yeah you're right that's the problem there's so many audiences on the books and you really need to make sure the a syst that didn't happen and that and doesn't sound like he spoke to Siobhan on his ordinance prior to being
sent to to the mayor of council for consideration council is that correct I mean I would I would say yes only because of the disconnect yeah they may have spoken and it may have been an
oversight uh you know uh m b is new to not although not new to law is new to the township uh she may not have an exhaustive uh you know knowledge of our various
uh regulations so you know it's quite possible it took place uh and it was just an oversight yeah and just referring back so this the proposed ordinance that we have is a going in a
chapter 580 which is our zoning ordinances 330 is parking I believe parking regulation
so our zoning and our parking would be yeah uh conflicted or they need to be consistent they can both be in the same place yeah okay and wean talked about boat storage no I don't
think anyone ever right the first time I heard it was the council meeting so I suppose we can we can bring it here and have Mr light propose both storage language and then send it back up yep that's that's something new yeah
I think that might be the easier approach let me speak to Mr lied I'll tell comments including potentially putting in some language around boat storage I never I don't think any us thought about boat I think councilman Sears has a big boat so
he was very concerned SE oh he one to up the boat no house I think it was Mr either I think Mr Casio I think I forget who you
know but problem maybe it's Tom's canoe yeah also want to know what section to put it in whe it's going to be in the park Arizon yeah that's do you want to see parking okay and uh just one last thing
I I think if although Mr Leiden um you know I think errored on the side of uh lack of the scriptor or definitions about screening if he has examples uh that he
could provide just to yep that really that really seemed to um be a area of uh concern the screening the definition of
uh the screening the fencing landscape buffer the shielding that's required okay thank you councilman any any further comments what on
this okay I open up for public portion crap comments on on this yeah okay sure I mean you can reopen the public portra okay uh do I have a motion to
open up the public uh comments for the commercial vehicle parking ordinance motion second all in favor I anyone any audience please please state your
name Michael AGR 176 Fern um question on the current uh ordinance does it stipulate anything for the number of commercial vehicles on a driveway I mean uh that's probably a question best asked
of the uh police department because it's a parking issue but uh we do address it in the new one right there is uh I mean I could read it uh 33 z-5 limitation on number of
vehicles not more than one non-prohibited commercial vehicle shall be parked on a private premise in a residential zone of the township during prohibited hours so I will give you an example there's a house on Ridgewood Road has two
commercial vehicles two driveways and a big giant boat and it's there 247 and nothing's being done so so my question is if that's being allowed or it's not supposed to be allowed how is
EXC I'm just trying to make it I'm trying to understand for fairness if if multiple people if I'm a plumber electrician or whatever and I have two small vans that are within the weight limitations can I not have them both on my driveway if I
can put them on my driveway so what I would say is that this is a question that needs to be brought to either the PO to the police because it's a parking issue
uh you know I'm I'm not in a position to right but at the at the current moment of time the audience does not allow it am I correct based on what you just read I mean if based on what I read I would concur but okay you
know is that being looked at to limit or change that number or are we looking to stay what we have and just make it a little bit more easy to understand the draft will
limit the number of commercial vehicles okay and once the draft has been approved somewhere down the future I'm assuming the police will enforce what's going on well it it will be a combination of the police department and the code
official what what's happening to the people are right now not up upholding the ordinance I I will ask the police to look into okay because I I know other people have complained which on the
zoning board we're trying to figure out how how we got the second driveway okay um we just can't figure out I know there's been multiple owners onto that property so I don't know if somebody just did it and kept their eyes shut I don't know
but having a what what stands out because I come up and down the street all the time time you seen a a huge boat on that driveway and it's just there's no trees blocking it there's no nothing there's no buffers and is just an eyesa
it really is yeah I'll get it looked into uh between police and code enforcement they work well together so thank you yeah pleasure yeah yeah enforcement code enforcement is not under the purview of this board okay so
Mr may you will take care of it yes I guess that's why I have a seat on this board things like this one of the reasons great great so uh are there any other comments before we close the public comment
section you have a motion to close the public comment on the discussion on Commercial Vehicle draft parking draft ordinance I'll make that motion I'll second all in favor I okay moving on to the next item on
their old business discussion of the master plan subcommittee uh you know as you know as board members are aware I have postponed the discussion from the last meeting to this meeting uh due to some
additional uh advice that I was seeking so with that what I'd like to do at this point in time is turn the discussion over to the mayor and please Mr Mayor thank you um Grace something that she can uh pass
down um in doing some research I found that the uh the planning board does not have the authority to establish a subcommittee uh that's not in their areas of responsibility however the code
the state code does reference that since I PL appoint the planning board that I can form a subcommittee and that I can uh appoint the members thereof than you Grace uh so uh what you're getting right now is the section of that state statute
that uh refers to that um so I will be you know appointing the uh the the subcommittee as we're calling it uh within the next week and uh spoke with uh um Mr Burgess about that and we're
anxious to uh you know get this moving um so you know it won't take me long to to establish this committee okay so have we had planning board subcommittees previously in the 15 years I've been on
the planning board I don't believe so Mr Mayor I mean I can only attest since I've been mayor I don't believe so so you have longer history but I don't recall one yeah Brian do you remember subcommittees not at all not in my time
either Len yeah yeah you and I have been on the board almost 15 years came on the same time if I'm not mistaken correct we don't want to hear your TRS sorry we don't want to hear your TR this
um is this particular to the township no this is a state statute not the township no this the statute you provided is a state statute I uh appreciate that sorry I misunderstood no no is the formation
of a planning board sub committee is that also excluded from by State statue or is it excluded by our statute um in doing research on it I couldn't find that it says that it is permitted or not
permitted I take that to mean especially in light of this state statute uh that it is not permitted for the sub the planning board to form its own subcommittee and you know that makes sense on a number of reasons because
especially in here it says such person or person shall have no power to vote or take other action um Lou any you have a point of view or I agree with the the state statute that basically say it's the mayor's um
prerogative as the mayor appoints uh planning board members he may also appoint a subcommittee Citizens advisory committee with so it's certainly the mayor's perview to form that committee but if it's uh I guess when I read this
it's a Citizens advis advisory committee environmental commission I mean um the environmental commission uh was like a 27b or something like that I just didn't
print it here because it did not apply at all but it was another part of the statute I can pull it up Council something like um bman not working I got got it so B starts whenever the
environmental commission has prepared Etc so as the mayor said sub paragraph B deals with a the second Topic in the in the heading so the first topic citizen advisory committee is by sub paragraph a
so paragraph b b deals with the environmental Commission Al want [Music] check so Mr Mayor just to clarify you need addition probably at the next
meeting well I don't even need a meeting to implement this again it says uh the person's serve at the pleasure of the mayor so it's not like this board will you know have anything to do with it per se um other than you know taking its
advice got it got it so there's no that's why I said I expect to have it up and running within a week and uh yeah obviously will include the board uh you know in uh you know in everything that it does and report to the board so no
yeah there's no resol has to take for me to do that okay any further comments Alman no no okay all right so
uh I open up the no okay so that's end of of old business moving on to approval of minutes going to the July 24th 2024 minutes any
comments no no comments okay do I have a motion to approve so Mo I'll second It Roll Call Mr Carol yes Mr Murphy yes Mr wanski yes
councilman Alman yes mayor Kari yes chairman saino yes moving on to the August 28th 2024 minutes any comments from any of the board members I have a minor comment page
four um first sentence there they role is to say ordinances consistent with master plan it be the role or their role not they role okay any other comments none do I have a motion to
approve I'll make that motion second okay roll call Mr Carol yes Mr Murphy yes councilman Alman yesari yes chairman
yes okay so that we are done with the minutes any board members want to address any issues or comments before we close this evening's uh meeting just one uh Lenny in light of tonight's application where both the applicant and
we had a member of the public come in Via Zoom uh Council like I said has stopped at least the members of the public they don't have applicants come before the council but uh and I I don't think we ever took official action on that uh I don't know if something the
board wants to consider but thenon I just rais it in my head again yeah and Mr Mayor I had a conversation with Mr Gs who is the U the zoning board your counterart yeah my counterart for the zoning board my discussions with him they're still
allowing okay uh public comments from do you know please wrote it up to his board uh I I believe so yeah okay okay long as the board has
waigh in and then how about the applicat at the very least yeah yeah yeah so Grace because it was kind of awkward this evening it was I had no idea that they were going to zoom in normally it's something that's brought up yeah maybe we can add that onto a
form that we give them your attendance in person is okay yeah yeah this way they could show they could if they have any anything to show they could set up on a screen yeah and we don't lose their application because of a technical
problem that may come up exactly it helps them just as much as us yeah okay any other comments from Bo I follow board members do I have a motion to adjourn
so moved second all in favor thank you everyone