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e e e e e e public meeting of October 9th 2024 of the township of Washington planning board adequate notice of the meeting was given in accordance with the open public
meetings act by the board secretary to at least two newspapers on January 15th 2024 and this meeting has been posted on the township bulletin board electronic Message Board WCTV and on the township website thank you Grace salute to the
flag to the flag of the United States [Music] of indivisible liy and justice for okay grace roll call Mr Carol here Mr Murphy here Mr
tulle here Mr Toro here Mr W shansky here councilman Alman here um mayor Kari is absent tonight chairman Sabino here let the record reflect also in attendance are attorney Lou ltina and
board secretary Grace Kish thank you than you Grace can you read the public portion to participate in the general public portion of the meeting please click the link on the agenda below and on the website to join the webinar you'll be asked to state your name for the record and we ask that
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portion no for general questions or comments will be accepted thank you do I have a motion to up open the public portion motion open all in favor I okay there's no one here at Town Hall
is there anyone on on Zoom no no one okay do I have a motion to close the public portion I'll make that motion second I'll second all in favor okay we have no new business going to
Old business resolution pb2 24-9 application of Peter aiz Esquire representing RNs Prime Properties LLC for a minor subdivision 680 McKinley Avenue block 3103 lot
one are there any comments on the resolution for to put to a vote uh Mr chairman I had one quick little page three at the top proposed Lot number 1.02 the
southernly comr lot should be corner lot there okay other than that it was perfect I also had um two pages after
that number one should be the township engineer instead of HE where that from I don't know page is on numbered so I think it's page oh it's page five okay any other
comments okay so with that Grace you can make those changes I do I have a motion to approve resolution pb2 24- I'll make a motion to approve with the two Corrections I'll
second Lo Mr Carol yes Mr Murphy yes Mr W shansky yes councilman yes chairman s yes okay moving on to the next agenda
item approval of minutes are there any comments on the September 11th 2024 minutes I I guess I don't know if it would be appropriate at this point or at
the end of the meeting when we discuss any other topics um but the um master plan subcommittee y and how it will operate would that be now or
later will we discuss as uh under otherpics I just have one Mr tyer I think that there shouldn't be there second page Grace last paragraph middle of the paragraph the applicant does not object to their AED yeah
that's it okay do I have a motion to approve including the one I will approve the minutes of September 11th with the one correction second Mr Carol yes Mr Murphy yes Mr W
nansy yes councilman Alman yes chairman yes okay uh next agenda item any board member would like to discuss any topics see
yes um so I understand uh after uh Mr Latino's uh explanation of um the subcommittee and the structure and that it is not under the planning
board but I guess my question is I'm trying to understand how they will interact with us what the status of it is because we had a schedule presented by the
planner and I think if I'm not mistaken we we're already behind uh you know have have you or are we aware of who has
the subcommittee been you know uh sort of organized and you know what is going to be the Cadence of their reporting into us uh you know to me it would seem that they're they have a u a large
undertaking yep and you know if it's not under your direction which it's not clear to me I mean I guess the mayor appoints it but is it under your direction or the mayor's Direction so H how how is it
actually organized and how does it uh operate and interface with the planning board yeah uh I guess those are the types of questions I have and know trying to figure this out y so uh great points so let me try to addressing one
by one so there was an advisory committee that was set up as everyone knows based on the New Jersey statute that the mayor had the authority to set up this Advisory Board the mayor then went and asked several members of both
the community and the township to be members of that of that advisory committee so as it stands today it's myself who's chairing the committee the advisor committee uh the mayor's on it
councilman Sears is on it Joe set case is on it and the mayor has one additional member that he's contacting to be part of that advisory
committee uh second point we actually had our first meeting this past Monday and it wasn't a uh it was an introductory meeting just for Joe to lay out the the timelines respect to getting
the master plan completed over the next 14 months so if everyone recalls and I as actually asked that question because I thought we were behind because from the time that the PO was signed and now is it's been more than and unfortunately
I don't have the documents with me it's been more than I think eight weeks or nine weeks that Joe had laid out as part of the plan in Joe's mind yes the purchase order was signed in June but from his perspective the the project did not
start until early September so given that timeline or given that start date of early September we're on track we're on track and the first deliverable by Joe will be
communicated to the advisory committee give me one second I'll get that dat on November 8th Joe will present his phase one summary deliverable to the advisory committee the plan is once the advisory
committee provides the comments to Joe then Joe will then appear before this planning board to provide his findings and get our comments on phase one deliverables so that that was the
initial plan on how it all going to work out and how how the advisory committee would be governed and perhaps uh Mr ltina can expand on it but I I
thought in the statute that was quoted there was a restriction that if you could if you were voting on The if you were a voting member you couldn't be part of the
subcommittee uh I don't know I don't I don't recall that I didn't recall that I'm not sure what statute the statute we talked about for appointment of a riser committee I do not remember anything like that in the statute I
could try to look for it I don't have it with me do you do you have the reference the statute reference again I'd have to go into my computer and look for it I don't I wasn't prepared to discuss that this evening it wasn't on the agenda all I know is that the statute we talked
about discussed that it's the mayor's perview to set up any citizen advisory committee so I'm not I don't recall that from what I read in the statute I don't Shaman might have it I don't again I don't have
it handy I didn't bring it with me right would that be something you could share with uh Grace and if she could forward it to us I certainly can um just make a note I I
thought my recollection that it was shared with everybody CH chairman do you I thought so it was our last meeting this uh there was one specific point uh or one specific paragraph I guess did that reference the entire statute I have
the code section though if you want that yeah let me just uh minimalize I'll I'll look look at it go ahead yeah but I think you're right I mean the advisory committee does not have any voting rights it's the planning board my understanding is is that you're
meeting with him and Advising with him and giving him guidance and then it's coming back here for final decision like they're not making decisions it's coming here for final thought process should said understood but and perhaps I misinterpreted or you know it was a very
uh brief look I had I was under the impression that as a uh a member of the planning board as a voting member of the planning board they could not be part of the subcommittee
because they're going to be voting on it so do you have the statute site yeah yeah 50 40 col 55 d-27 it's in the minutes under master plan at second sentence that's the
Clos that's the state code number on it well lth you can't quickly bring it up maybe we can I have it right here I can read after the appointment of a planning board of the of a planning board the mayor May appoint one or more persons as
a Citizens advisory committee to assist or C collaborate with the planning board and its duties but such person or person shall have no power to vote or take other action required of the board so that would presuppose that the the
citizens advisory committee did not include was not a member of the planning board I don't think you can take a planning board's um uh AB right to vote away from them if he's on a Citizens advisory committee I do not read it as
saying that I read it as saying that let's say Joe said a case uh could not vote on the with the planning board but the planning board members can of course vote um when it comes up for a
vote for the master plan but does it ex I I guess the way I had read it is because in this case Mr Sabino is a voting member of the planning board he cannot
be part of that subcommittee the mayor right because the mayor yeah it'll be both myself and the mayor it doesn't say that the way you're reading it is that this committee should be people other than the planning board members I don't see it as
that and as I recall Mr Burgess said you know typically these uh boards would be members of the planning board and a citizen and perhaps other Representatives so I think Mr Burgess
con certainly contemplated that the The Advisory Board would have planning board members on it that's my recollection and I think that's correct yeah only
y the town yeah to have disappeared here here we go you Mr Burgess is reporting back to us on a regular basis yes right as each step is happening that's right and then
the vote this year that's right okay and one thing we talked about was that he would appear before this planning board after every phase because of don't know if you read what happened to T their planning board completed the whole master plan and it
was then send it to the public and it turned into a big Fiasco and actually Burgess Joe represented a couple of developers and Joe sent one of his representatives to that meeting because the plan board did not
consider you know developers uh uh I want say intentions but their thoughts as part of the master plan so I'm trying and we discussed that I'm trying to avoid that which is why I've asked Joe at the end of every phase is it deliverable and present that
deliverable to the planning board for a discussion before vote is taken so looking at it a different way if this advisory committee uh did not have anyone from the planning board on it you'd have the risk of the advisory committee saying hey we would like to
Zone um you know a Zone one way which is radically opposed to what either the planning board or the mayor and Council would do so you you don't want and it' be waste of time because then the advisory committee would basically you know it's not my backyard situation so
the committee says do this and then it's a waste of time when it gets to the the planning board so again what what Joe bur has talked about and what makes sense is you have reps from the planning board there to listen and accept feedback and give feedback on a
citizen's or you know Joe said a case or whoever else is on that committee on what he or she says to say well listen this is the rationale for doing it this way what do you say and listen and then make those recommendations to the board
as a whole because it's the board making the decision not the advisory committee hope that makes sense yes C does that answer your questions it does okay thank you
uh any other uh board member have comments no the only other topic I want to bring up hopefully everyone has the commerci the draft commercial V vehicle ordinance that was prepared by by Steve it would be great if everyone
reviews it and if you do have any comments prior to the next board meeting which is at the end of the month V to Grace So when Steve comes to the next planning board meeting we'll have a good draft to work with versus all the back
and forth that went on with the prior draft orenes so you're referencing what was in our packet for last meeting that's right I can email it out to everyone again just make easier mean we could do Grace if uh if we can set a date say by the
15th okay com by the 15 comments by the 15th they gives every about a week and a half so the next board meeting is the I'm sorry the 18 sorry that'll be sent out electronic yeah 23 so if we get comments by the 18th okay that gives Steve three
days to address those comments PDF you s that right yeah yeah okay work it is I'll send it out visually all right it is other comment uh can I get a
motion to adjourn okay all in favor thank you everyone