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e e happy St Patrick's Day welcome to the regularly scheduled public meeting of March 17 2025 of the township Council of the township of Washington adequate notice of this meeting was given in accordance with the open public meetings act by the Township Clerk to at least two newspapers in December and this
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all councilman Casio here councilman Sears here councilman Omen here Council here council president to sen here let the record reflect also in attendance Township administrator Mark D Carlo Township attorney shoban Bailey cmfo
John corkin via zoom and Township Clerk Susan Wy payment of bills resolution number 25-19 authorized payment of bills February 27 2025 to March 13 2025 do I have a motion so move any discussion
we good roll call councilman CIO yes councilman Sears yes councilman man yes Council valz yes council president to Senate yes public service announcement for March 17
2025 the primary election date has changed please note the primary election will now be held Tuesday June 10th all voting takes place at Town Hall hours are 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. the VFW Post 6 192 of District 2 in New Jersey is
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or pasak Valley kaanis gmail.com our next special council meeting will be held on Monday March 24th 2025 thank you everyone at this time we will have a presentation for the finance presentation 2025 borrowing Mr De Carlo
yes good evening everyone thank you council president and council president okay I'd like to invite our professionals up to the you'd like to Jo us just to set this up we have Joe kagero from aasia we have Josh Nic from Mia Mr binefeld and Paige fiser from
Lurch viny and Bliss and remotely we have Michelle uh to company Mr binefeld as well um you have the presentation in front of you before I just I just want to give you a quick uh explanation of it because obviously they're going to go over the presentation Ricky also has the
slides to put up on the television if it was working but um I'm truly appreciative not only have these professionals to work with us in the township but as uh thankful that they came up this evening as well some of them came from either New York or South Jersey so we appreciate it just to point out to the council as they go through
their presentation the first page of the presentation has our current uh debt our outstanding debt and our amorz for that as well as the schedule of unfunded ordinances on the second page on the the top last thing I just want to point out
is under that first bar proposed plan of Finance to the left the number that they're using for the presentation is based on the proposed 2025 capital I explained to them that the capital has not been approved or denied yet we haven't got there so those numbers
include what was proposed to council from the mayor and myself if you slide over to the right the expected available grant funding that's taken into account both grants were anticipating receiving um you know with timing and things in the government hopefully we would
receive those grants either this year or within 2026 and with that I turn it over to you thank you council president thank you Mr car Mr binefeld good evening sure even CC president I will um it's good to be here I'm immediately
the to the folks who who put together the numbers Jos PA show and and obviously to answer any question so go to Jo Mr C y i I'll jump in yeah I'll jump in this is Josh Nik with I got you backwards all right that's fine Joe's my
colleague and he's the one that did all the hard work putting the numbers together if there's any detailed questions he he'll happy to jump in um Mark thanks for a great summary of of the presentation um you know really what we want to do is highlight on the first page um your existing debt situation
because whenever you're considering a borrowing the first thing we want to look at is what is the existing debt of the of the township what might the impact be of the new borrowing on that existing debt so that would really help inform any decision that we make so it's really important to get a firm understanding um your debt profile is
relatively straightforward fixed rate long-term debt you have two Bond issues outstanding um the 2019 bond issue has a final maturity in 2029 that's shown on the right hand side of of the of the page in the middle is the most recent bond issue that you did in
2022 um relatively long-term bond issue going up to 20 42 20-year issue level Debt Service um and on the far right is the combined Debt Service um and what we really want to focus on is that far right column the annual Debt Service that's your total annual Debt Service
due that you have to budget for in each year right so what we look at is what is that pattern and that again will help inform the decisions that we make do we go long-term bonds this year with a financing do we go short-term notes for a couple of years and then go long-term bonds all of that is impacted by your
existing debt serice schedule and here you can see the the biggest thing that jumps out at you the observation is in 2029 to 2030 you have a pretty large drop off 1.6 million down to about just under a million dollars so very favorable overall debt structure what
you want to see is a declining Debt Service pattern um that's what we advise clients to have so you always have the ability to do future Capital as you need improvements to the town roads sewers improvements the buildings and so forth um at the bottom of the page is a
summary of your existing unfunded ordinances um this is this is effectively authorizations that have already been approved but not yet borrowed against money has been spent against some or a good portion of it I believe um but has not been borrowed so
the decision that we've been tasked with helping analyze and advise is how should what's the best way to approach borrowing for the funds that have already been um authorized by the township Council so going on to the next page that's 7.6 million there 7 almost
7.7 um as Mark pointed out at the top part of the page under that first bar this is scenario we did two scenarios this is scenario one um scenario two is very similar just with some added additional capital for future years which is very um forward-looking in just
projections at this point but we wanted to give you an idea of what some additional borrowing for Capital needs might look like so the 18 million is is scenario two the 18 that is correct that is scenario two so what we're looking at here is um about 10.1 million in New
Capital we call it new of course the 7.7 is approximately has already been approved and at about 2.4 million in additional proposed authorization for new capital for uh 2025 Capital program um and then to the right Mark mentioned
there's um expected grants coming the timing of those is a little bit unknown um which lends itself to going with short-term debt because you don't know when you're going to receive those um grants you want to have the flexibility to pay down your debt when you go with long-term fixed rate bonds you can't
always pay it off immediately um they're not always callable right away typically fixed rate debt long term has a 10-year Park call for municipal Finance so unlike a mortgage you can't just pay it down right away um it's inefficient to do that so if there's expected grants or other monies available that you might be
thinking about in the next couple of years or even later in the year it's advisable to stay short term um so yeah just to add to that really quick uh that 1.1 million you see in Grant in Grants for for purposes of this analysis it's
assumed that you guys get that in 2026 year next year yeah and that's an assumption for now it could come in later this year it could come in the 27 could come in 28 we don't know right now but we have that flexibility so those are two key factors the the existing Debt Service pattern and the fact that
you have um Grant monies available so do you have a question is yes is the 1.1 baked into the 10.1 is it included in that we will be paying down we'll be using that 1.1 to pay down a portion of the 10 million correct it's not but so
it's not it's not we didn't reduce that amount yet the 10 million is the full amount that's needed it's gross number it's a gross number it's gross gross exactly yep yep it's exactly right so two factors that we're looking at is you have a Debt Service pattern that tells you may make sense to wait a little bit
before we go long term until the debt drops off and you have Grant monies that are going to coming in you want to be able to pay off the debt sooner rather than later so those two things tell us let's let's look at short-term financing so that's the scenario that we model here um multiphase 2025 we issue the
full 10.1 million because we don't have the grant money yet that's what you need to fund the 7.6 existing plus the 2.4 new it's a one-year note buy anticipation note we sell it on a competitive basis we'd get a rate of about what 3.35% while parking this Market probably a little conservative
but yeah um so you with the Noe issuance you don't have to pay principal down until the third anniversary so it's an interest only obligation in 2026 um we would then assume that the grant would be available we pay down to
1.5 1.15 million and issue the remaining balance of 8.9 million that would then roll over again into 2027 we would roll it over to 2028 at that point we'd have a required mandatory pay down that's under New Jersey local Bond law after the third
anniversary you have to start paying principal down so in 28 you'll have both a principal and interest payment du um and which following which What's the magnitude of that like what would be the magnitude of that uh $250,000 is the um oh so it's very low
relatively low yeah yeah not not a not not a huge number so it's manageable within the budget and again another reason why helps reduce that Debt Service impact um so that's factored in here as well and then finally in 2029 we to go out with long long-term bonds uh to permanently Finance so you issue the
bonds in 2029 the first principal payment would not be due until 2030 when your drop off occurs therefore reducing the impact and the point is to kind of that final that final column on the far right we want to keep that as smooth as possible um and not have increases in
those years while your debt service is high until 2030 um and this is the best way to do that under the existing existing circumstances based on your prior outstanding bonds as well as the proposed amount that you want to borrow for um so that's so 2030 we'd basically
jump back up to the 2025 annual Debt Service plus plus plus like $110,000 14,000 yeah yeah exactly yeah now this is this is based on current market rates I think we're assuming about a 3.8% 3.85% market rate that'll be
determined by competitive sale based on the market conditions at that time um we think it's a reason estimate and I think Joe was pretty conservative in the numbers um but that's really even if rates come in at 4 and a half% that's really not going to move the needle much on these results it's not the interest cost it's frankly it's the ammonization
of the principle that's going to have the biggest impact so I'm not too concerned about interest rate risk by staying shortterm for a period of time and then going long term um because that is one of the risks of doing short-term debt but it's a very common tool as Bob can say a lot of his clients and paig as well most of our clients will generally
issue short-term debt for a period of time you roll it over over for several years then you go long term so it's a very common practice in New Jersey we live in Township we know all about it you know all about it right it's our motto so that's that's scenario one and again scenario two is exactly the same
thing um with the addition of two more years of capital um 2026 and 2027 um we fall apart um Bas Mark could you excuse me m could you explain what we had encumbered in those big numbers in 2026
that's just the proposed Capital that you got in your three-year Capital plan that's all just takes into account those just straightforward no straight forward so what you got in your binder exactly that's is exactly yes okay that's I I just want to make sure and 27 thank you
yeah so could be could be more could be less you know whatever whatever Council votes on but this is just an assumption for this purpose so you can see what that impact looks like and obviously you're going to have higher debt service and again this is assuming the same um timeline that that would all be
permanently financed in 2029 of course it's very you know one one thing we might want to consider is you go long-term bonds with the 8.9 million but we stay short term with with the with the new capital in 26 and 27 you could do notes and mods at the same time and
have a portion of it remain um remain short term to manage your debt service impact and that's something we'd advise you on as we got closer to that s so the uh scenario two I'm sorry the my apologies
just big numbers from so you're laying on you're laying on the proposed Capital we would issue bans in 2 and 27 for those correct we would add it to the existing band and continue to roll it
over so you can see that in the the kind of Center Bar that's the really dark color um the dark gray you can see it goes from 10.1 million to 14.6 to 16.8 that's the additional of that other capital okay and just one other question
uh in scenario one in year 2028 um there's interest due of 299 or 300K um but we also are showing the 250
what what does the 250 represent there that's the principal pay down that I was speaking of right so that's the under under the minimum required principal pay down per to local Bond Law the LA yeah the law allows you for three years not to pay anything down
then kind of like a credit card after you get the 3 years there's a minimum requirement for and none of these are included in neither scenarios got the 1.15 million coming back to us no it does it does have it coming back to you um it happens
you can see it you can see it in scenario one it happens between 2025 and 2026 you see in 2025 you issue 10.1 million in band and 2026 you issue 8.9 million so that's that's the effect of receiving that 1.1 million in 2026 using
it to Fay down oh I see it yeah it's immediately reduced correct yeah but you're only saveing 39,000 now yeah expensive money yeah it's not the again it's not the interest right it's the
principal shortterm long that 20 uh qu of a million dollars that's required that's a statute correct okay Y and can you um if you had to could you Accel that for more yeah always pay you could always pay
more sure no not on the notes not on the notes so only the bond that's why we got to get rid of it through the notes correct Y where you're getting your least bang for the buck right but it helps you the long term because that's
less you have to advertise so but you're only advertising you're only saving 40K so it's in interest right yeah you're not saving you know a million one yeah Josh is there any other short-term borrowing options for the township other than the ban that you would recommend no
not really this is this is It's the Most optimal solution yeah yeah it's it's very very efficient we have a robust band Market in New Jersey a lot of interest um based on the credit so when would we go out for band in June like we did last time
Mr binefeld sure whenever you know these whatever folks think is is a good time I I don't think you know whether it be June July whenever you can get it ready whenever you need the money basically whenever you got to get that money in that' be good and but you'd
want to think about also the timing because we have a brand new ordinance I think we introduced a bond ordinance this year yes for the G another Capital ordinance this year I'm not sure you want to think about you know whether we can fit that in or not um but then again
you know you want to keep the not down size the size down a little bit and you need all the money from that next ordinance you know maybe you keep that ordinance and not borrow it till next so yeah but I think the summer sounds about right and there are some rules out there
uh for um uh when you have to get money in to cover your expenses IRS rules so I think we're we're kind of about the time where if we've spent some money we want to reimburse our offers Financial perspective and also
from an IRS perspective what's the overhead cost of issuing band so if we were to issue ban you know you have a a 10.1 uh ban in 2025
um if we issue less is there less of a cost or is it not when you get to the size it's not meaningful at that size because the fees they're relatively small so they're basically flat fees for all the services Mr binefeld would you have a um
strategy for us so in the capital we're proposing for 25 yes is two garbage trucks at $600,000 and for so for the sake of the discussion let's assume Council authorizes $600,000 the bond ordinance authorizes
the appropriation an ex an encumbrance of that money yes but if the garbage truck's not anticipated to come in for two to three years strategically when would you actually borrow that money I would strategically I think you probably
should borrow for you know various borrowing guidelines again going back to OTS rules you want to borrow you know in a you know kind of temporally to When You're Expecting to to spend the fund so if it's two or three years out you know
I wouldn't I wouldn't that's a little bit early if it's stuff that's coming up in the next year before your rollover of the ban next year you may want to consider getting all the money you might want to spend in the next year but if it's further out you know no you can't
you can't you know as we talked about a little bit you know you might think well maybe we can borrow it and we can invest it right maybe we can make more than we're borrowing but we're we're not allowed to do we're not allowed to make an arrage play with our funds so you
know that's that's what you know but you shouldn't you should on the Confluence of that contrary to that if you have funds that you are going to expect to expend in the next year you know if you're not
going to use them for 10 months you can earn money now to carry your borrowing cost for those 10 months but you might be getting in your bank now this three I don't know what getting his bank rate that you might be covering your well we could also pay for him when we get the
grants back yeah and not just you know get 40 grand out of a million5 you know you could pay off the garbage trucks with that yeah I mean that's that's a council decision yeah but generally if you're not going to spend for a couple years
out I wouldn't yeah at this point okay thank you anything else ladies and gentlemen so basically the the strategy is to go short term if the rates change right because they might change you wouldn't want to go long term right away
because you're stuck with that rate basically the market right now is volatile to say the least agree with that so yeah I I wish that wasn't the case but that's been the case for a number of years um so this is a strategy
that most municipalities use yeah and I would say it's not even because of where rates are because rates are still okay long term they're not they're not too bad it's really your pattern and that's the pattern we've had for the last 20 years yeah which is great which is really what you want
right this is this is you're you're in a great position okay educate me on a a pattern that would be bad even though we don't have it what would a bad pattern upward sloping would be the worst so meaning your death service Jo just keeps climbing right that would be that will
be you know a sign that somebody's been borrowing too much money and pushing it off long right and you know you're limited on what you can do but if you keep borrowing and layering on eventually it's going to grow so even even a totally flat going out 15 20
years doesn't give you room because every time you do a new borrowing on top of that it's going toing so you want that declining pattern and you know you look um 2049 I'll probably be dead but um well let's be honest I want to go for 100 but I don't
think they'll make it um you know when you you look at when you look at the the end number right it's you're talking huge dollars Y and I guess that's I think that's what scares a lot of people when they look at it it's a huge huge bunch of money so um I'm glad we're on
that trajectory that we're on so right and listen the reason and Bob and I were talking about this before with Mark that you know the federal government you know we'll say bestows upon local state and local governments the tax exemption which is you know a very important and you know powerful tool to be able to
borrow at such a low cost versus what taxable rates would be it's probably a point or more right relative to the taxable equivalent in the grand scheme of things on a particular deal it may not have a huge impact but when you start seeing it cumulatively over five 10 15 years of capital programs it's going to have a huge impact and the be
you know the the ability to borrow long term is a huge Advantage because you can afford these projects and spread that cost over the useful life and everybody who's enjoying it that from what I understand if the if the rates are do get better Can we cancel the existing bands and re Finance it or you're stuck
with that you're stuck with that until until one year maturity it's just one year one year one okay Y and we could qualify for any additional monies that come in I mean if you got you were fortunate to get additional monies pay correct Absol the benefit
keep at the b y right y it's usually what Josh is saying that amortising it's starting to go permanent right now is really going to bump up your aggregate Debt Service payable because you know have to start advertising whatever it is how much is it a year 400 a year or
whatever it might be which is way more than 1% on an interest rate cost you so it's usually that that drives most towns into trying to levelize not not go up certainly not have too big a bump
immediately okay thank you right is scenario um is scenario two a recommendation or are you just uh
laying out the numbers so we could see them I mean are you recommending either of these scenarios or are they really uh um are they mutually exclusive or you know can you they're mutually exclusive these are illustrations based on the facts given
to us or based on assumptions given to us from from from from Mark and and and the officials P right you're telling us here's what we have we know we have the existing authorization we think the budget for 2025 is going to be about 2.4 so we ran those scenarios likewise for
scenario 2 they Mark told us here's what we think the budget for capital is going to be in 26 and 27 so we just modeled that not a recommendation just a facts here's here's what the numbers would be is it right Josh that if I'm thinking about it the big difference between
scenario one and scenario two is kind of the decision which is almost impossible to make now which is whether or not when permanent bonding happens in 29 or whenever it might be
whe whether or not to go for the whole Kaboodle rolling in the 26 27 and 28 or whether to just do what we're kind of our notes now and then keep some notes out there and I think the township actually did that um as part of what
we're doing now I think there was a choice some years ago that putting everything in at once might be just too much and that's why we have some notes now and of course that's grown over the years you have Capital budgets but there similar and you can't it's tough to know
that and that's exactly what I said when I kind of gave a quick summary of that like this is just one scenario of what you would do for scenario two you may want to keep some of the notes some of that note short term when we go long term in 29 right you're definitely going to want to take take out a good the
majority of it because you have those required pay Downs on the new capital you won't have required pay Downs yet so you can continue to roll them at interest that's what we did last time with and that will be an interesting choice which is impossible possible to know at you know at a two or three years
down the road whether to throw it all in and what the impact would be what the rates are or or if it would be too much for the first two or three four years and whether to do some notes to e that your budget situation market conditions the actual Capital program other Grant
monies that you may be getting there's all those things will factor into and we would advise you at that time so we you know and we could model out a lot of different scenarios for sure and we would continue to do that you know leading up to it every year we renew kind of take a fresh look at this we kind of keep this as a living model right updated each year as you're doing
your bands all right where do we stand we still think this plan makes sense and you know make the recommendations on a year-to-year basis but it's good to have this planning tool the radi agencies like to see that they want to see you're forward looking and you know anticipating at least you know I know you're doing that with your your regular budget but in terms of the capital
budget and sort of future Debt Service it's good to have this you know longer term model rather than just like all right this year what are we going to do give you an idea going forward what type of um volatility percentage
wise uh would we want to see or would you recommend uh for total debt service so you know we go from 1.7 uh so scenario two excuse me 1.7 we go up
300K you know we go up one you know uh one and change then we go up another the three is is that too much volatility or is 300, of The Debt Service pattern the total debt service total debt service so you'd like again you'd like to see it
declining as much as possible sure the problem with that the limitation we have is on the amortization of the bonds State requires us to advertise a certain amount of principle every year so I'm limited on how I can structure my bond issue so generally speaking we're doing level Debt Service my first payment the
$258,000 can't be more than um than on scenario two either way you can't double it you can't double it right it's called like the two over one rule the largest payment can't be twice
as much as the smallest payment so if you look that first payment we're kind of getting it down as close as possible as small as possible um to keep The Debt Service impact low I couldn't get any lower if I could I may even go a little bit lower just to keep that impact down
in those those early years but state law requires us to pay make that minimum make a minimum amortization amount on the bond issue as well so that that affects how how we otherwise I would probably do something a little different than what we're presenting here and that's a state law the governs
all towns and it's probably there to stop the pushing away the backloading of The Debt Service so it's requiring certain minimum all the way through no I mean I uh I agree I would prefer to yeah not
borrow at all but I don't think that's realistic but you know again you know when I look at 27 to 28 and see plus 300K yeah that's a lot you know is
that is that a lot compared to you know the period before where it goes up 140k I mean I would say no but it's all relative it's easy for me to say it's not you know my my tax rate right but at
the same time there's really no choice if you're going to incur that debt that's the best we can do in terms of minimizing the impact um I've certainly seen larger impacts than that I mean the good news is it's a shortterm effect right it's like one one year two years yes what you don't want to see is the
continuation of that going forward which becomes much more difficult to challenge here you can handle that through different means you know maybe other than tax rate there's other ways to handle that um to get through it Surplus using Surplus monies or other funds that you may have to get through the budget
here okay and if we in fact don't borrow for some of those oute expenses now for two or three years down the road then we if we don't borrow in 25 we will not we can clip off immediately part of that
minimum 250 pay down in 2028 because that's 250 on an assumed a mount in 2025 so if if we are able to hold some of our 25s and and push it to next year we
won't have all that 250 in in 2028 but it depends on me and to that to that point and to the point councilman made earlier about being able to pay more than you want you could always if you wanted to kind of minimize that impact to 300,000 there's nothing stopping you
from paying more in 26 or 27 to kind of ramp up kind of build it into your budget tax rate already right so that impact you feel it a little less and you're just has the added benefit of just reducing your debt right you're paying it off a little more rapidly so you could always do it earlier if you said hey I don't like the jump the
300,000 I want it to be can we start earlier and step it up we could absolutely do that you could always pay down more ear yeah when you structure the notes do you look at the
underlying assets so it I think you estimated a 20-y year note useful life useful life is that a is that Blended 100% And I don't I'm bringing you you're going to
defer this from you but yes the legal aspect is every purpose has a useful life as designated by New Jersey wall so whenever we do a bond ORD now some of your ordinances are real long live we did some property Acquisitions those are like 40 years
those are very long live um trucks particularly small trucks or Vehicles police vehicles they're given five years so it is pay but it's it is a blend of the various purposes yeah so um your 2019 ordinance it has a 26.5 one useful
life um a lot of that is really because of the that includes the construction of the DPW um building um you have you know like Bob said um two land ordinances which are at 40 years you do get into where you have equipment and some Town Hall
improvements and that's about 15 years and then again some Road improvements equipment um Improvement of various Township facilities that from 18 years it all blends with whatever those projects are based on the local Bond Law and what it allows for each specific um
item and then the new DPW um uh facility ordinance is a 30e life that helps mention keep going on your question but 20 years is relatively long life for what we usually see in a
general Municipal context because usually it's DPW equipment it's roads so and those you I would say most of the average of the average lives is really usually around 12 years so you have you I was going to say this is very
favorable that is well that you could extend it out 20 years your 2022 BS they were 20 year B so yeah well I mean it's favorable from a Debt Service perspective but I mean when I look at that interest number
you pay more interest yes that's the tradeoff you know you're absolutely right we're getting crushed y so you know I understand the and we don't have to go 20 right if you said you wanted to go 15 we could go shorter we could go 10 we could model that out for you and you're going to see what the impact
would be on that right so it's just it's just the math of what the numbers are right we could we could run any you you're permitted to go shorter can't go longer okay that's the rule so absolutely if you wanted to if you said he we don't like 20 we want to go 18 or we want to go really go we want to go 15
or 10 we can model that for you and show you what it would look like and like a uh a home mortgage if you go 30 to 15 do the interest rates go down or is yes so um the way bonds are sold it's unlike a
mortgage where you get a single rate um M Bond each maturity has its own rate and that's and we do that via competitive sale under state law for new money issues so we'll we'll put it out the bid and whoever wins will'll have a rate on each maturity so the shorter we go it's a yield curve those short the
shorter we are the lower the cost of Bing we pay yes absolutely your 2019 Bonds were 10year bonds this is an example and as Joe said your 2022 boms with 20 year bombs so I
forget actually if in 2019 we went to the full amortization allow or whether we CED it Josh would the next step be to get you our approved capital budget once it is yeah we would want to know and I would to Bob's Point earlier about timing I think if you really think
there's going to be 25 Capital that we want to include you want to you would wait to do everything at one time so you have a single issuance that saves on cost of issuance you don't want to have multiple no deals now we have towns and we we all have clients that have for various reasons an emergency comes up or project has brought to everyone's attention that they weren't expecting so
it's sort of off cycle and they may have one or two or three notes outstanding in a particular year we do our best to consolidate that those over time and there's ways to do that but all things being equal if you could just do one issuance a year saves your money so that's what we would recommend and as far as the the the term of that
long-term mon we're not deciding that now that's that requires a vote to you that again that's a resolution that would get approved Beyond the ordinance that's already authorized in the debt so to to do long-term bonds we would come before you Bob would draft the resolution with all those detailed terms outlining here's how we're going to
advertise that debt so that's a decision that can be made later on you may have more options at that time than two with different certain I'm sure we will so Mr Dar Carlo
what what do we see for 2025 at this point uh what what do we know or do we know what our demand is for B uh ban issuance well it's going to depend on I guess what C Council approves for 25
Capital so far in 25 we have the $2.8 million and 50,000 and then the most unless you tell us to do something other than what's proposed would be 2.4 mil 42,000 for 25 Capital
proposed so minimum so if you if you said no to every project at a minimum we need to borrow what is it 7 7.6 yeah can you provide to us uh by ordinance the amount that was
approved uh and I guess this is the unfunded has anything been funded or expended against these ordinances and for the uh multi-purpose ordinances can we get a can we have that
broken down by the uh various projects so we we already have that don't we P I have a list I don't have by I don't have what each one specifically um you know cost within the ordinance but I can tell you what's in various
ordin oh not right now we have that happy to provide it I that would be long but we could do it Mr dear can we have that provided yes so can I can you just please clarify what you're asking once again so there are one two three four
five six there are seven ordinances on the first page that are unfunded uh I'm ass is the amount the unfunded amount or the approved amount so going to jump in just quickly so we
get it all right um so I believe so the ordinance is drafted and it authorizes one project that authorize anount uh doesn't borrow it it doesn't I don't think it necessarily maybe it en covers it I'm not sure and you're
exactly right councilman the various purpose ordinances often have four or five different purposes listed with different amounts for each purpose how those then are trapped on an some internal system for what's obligated or
encumbered or contracted that's one thing but I want to jump to your question on two or three things on what you just said I don't know the answer to that and I wouldn't know the answer even if it weren't now I would need somebody else for that but it
is on a couple of those ordinances we actually did fund part one one of them in particular we put part it was ready for our 2022 Bond it's complicated so in our 2022 bond issue we did sell Bonds on
part of one of the ordinances because we're ready but then there was a project we'll have to go through it that wasn't ready and we didn't borrow because we we weren't ready for it so there are parts of this that have been in Prior bonds there Parts with grants there probably
some cancelations in there I don't but but it's a good so I don't know that's simplifi go ahead I was just gonna say so potentially these amounts the ordinance amounts could have been higher in each case they were I believe except
so this is only what's here is only what's unfunded yes yeah so I guess my question is and I think it's like a schedule maybe in the um audit report there's you know what
what's been approved what has been funded of the funded what's has been expended so the difference should be available cash and then what's the
unfunded so I would ass again I would assume that there's some AR arithmetic that gets us back to the approved from you know and that's the goal so uh and then further the these various
improvements the sub projects because I know we're cancelling one project tonight I'm assuming it's not in these numbers it was it was reduced so it's been reduced I mean are there other opportunities that we have I mean the administration is putting forth a
proposal to cancel a portion of an ordinance perhaps the counil may wish to cancel uh other portions of other ordinances uh so just understanding that no that's a great question and these are I think all
but one of them are some type of net amount it's not the full you know they down payments under these ordinances too which is cash out so we' in Council we spent money on everything except for 2504 almost all the projects in
2410 have been completed 2315 you know where we are with that 2308 most of them been to there's not much we've been working over the last couple months in preparation of this um in canceling out
those balances that were unneeded so I believe you know in 1917 we have money that was funded by the sale of the school building right act 2201 I explained to you guys verbally in a council meeting
was a little hard to understand at night but it had to do with the funding of 236 which was for the Improvement of the swim club so we have some we've gotten sent some accounting answers of how we can reduce 221 hopefully by like
$350,000 uh 2022 um there's some Capital lines that have a little bit of a balance 2308 I think everything is done I mean I I certainly get you those answers but one way or another I've already given you
that information if you'd like it consolidated put together in another document I I guess I can do that or I will do that I mean again respectfully we've been through this and I've given Council
all of this information maybe more than once now but I will do it again well I believe Paige says she has it the Paige has the breakdowns of night various improvements what they are and I I'm in possession of them as well okay
but since you've done it we've I've reduced those Capital lines several times so I just always need an update it so when when you indicate we've done done the work how was it
paid Mr beld would you mind help me out with that explaining how we borrow from ourselves and then we have to repay our cers I'd appreciate that yes and I'm not I mean I don't do the budgets or or Bo but you know my understanding generally
with communities is there's cash available for things that in the current account or Capital account and I'm going at defer page very I'm always deferring but particularly here so um and if a community can self-fund for a while sure
I mean that's but I don't you know but and that's probably what so if they hasn't borrowed that probably means there's been some money in a capital account or a current account that I guess gets used temporarily because it's sitting around but has to be reimbursed
or replenished at some point um and so I assume that's that's what's up and in fact as we started earlier this is a an important time for Council to do um replenishment uh because there's certain
outside limits on but I don't I'll have to defer on where the actual cash comes from in in the no I think it's exactly as you said it's really your cash on hand um that you have available and you're using it on the capital projects which I think is also one of the reasons why now is is
the time in addition to several things to issue because I think we're coming up on um for some of these ordinances or some of the expenditures are getting to the point where um we may have an issue about reimbursement but we're still I think we discussed we're we're cutting it close
so it's um time to sort of reimburse the town for the the money that they've already put out and you know get that Capital back and also to fund some of these new projects um you know so if we've if we had cash
on hand to pay for these and we've paid for them and we're raising Capital we're raising for our current account today uh based on a budget that's going
to pay for our exist ing expenses why do we have to reimburse ourselves well most I'm going to assume that most of the money is coming from your general Capital fund based on from um previous Bond issuances and um that is just sometimes
with the speed say from the 22 bonds maybe the speed at which uh the spending occurred so there was you know cash available to fund additional projects as we moved along um so it's really money that is for another purpose but but
because and again I if I were to look at the 2022 bonds I forget what in those so um you could use a hypothetical so in 2022 we borrow to change the color of the lights in this room and we haven't
done it and we took that money and we used it to paint outside and now we have to borrow to replenish so we could change these lights right the the best example might be that in 2022 you bonded for the construction of the L new
firehouse and um emergency services facility right and so maybe during some of that construction um there was some Capital available but really what happens is you're spending money on all of these projects and the money just doesn't um and the way to fund that is
either through budget appropriation Bond anticipation notes bonds grants um those type of things but that funding um you are short in terms of cash it's really just a matter of in the interim because obviously if you're funding a project you don't want to have
to issue a note every several months in in other words if you looked in those accounts there would be IUS in those accounts basically right so you have IUS that they have to be replenished so those accounts so when we issue a bond it's fungible it could be used for any
purpose temporarily until the actual I'll let I'll let jump in on that well it that's what it sounds like me but it's not not I would say not any purpose there there's rules Again State rules and federal tax rules in this case more importantly that allow you to move move
money around to temporarily fund other projects to be able to give you flexibility to kind of manage the cash flow right because a certain project may be ready to go forward and you haven't raised the money yet for it in this case with these ordinances whereas the 22 projects you're like okay I can wait on
that one I can use that money instead for something else temporarily but I know I need to reimburse it because we have to pay for that project so within those General guidelines you can move money around to cover different expenses but at the end of the day it all has to be reconciled and you have to pay back
those IUS paig and Bob that also prevented us from prematurely borrowing money correct that's I was just going to say in the Good Sense he didn't you know if you had money because timing of other projects just slowed or wasn't going you had the
money around um you know you didn't have to kind of double borrow in the inter room and do a n issue temporarily slide it as long as it comes back I think that's the budget yeah but the payment is these these interests only payments
that are killer but that has nothing to do with the scenario we're speaking about now no it does because you're you're introducing the ban for the scenario you're talking about was there anything illegal or inappropriate nobody no I'm just I'm asking a question out in the open for the public was there anything
ilal or inappropriate insuated that sir I'm asking the question was there anything illegal or inappropriate what we did and did we save money by not prematurely borrowing um well I don't know I I think not as but I think if money in the
capital account can generally be used for Capital purposes so long as it stays in capital purposes get internal controls to to have what line items are where and then says you probably have a you know IOU to a particular area um but
to council president the point really in a sense um we didn't borrow for these projects two or three years ago in band otherwise right today this year we'd be having a mandatory pay down so in a sense by deferring these notes for two
or three years you've deferred that mandatory the interest that be we delay the interest we still got to pay well yeah but you're just paying it in you know for a fewer years yeah so overall it does reduce your overall interest cost and to the point about sort of that the whole concept of sort of using
paying mon you know using money from this account borrowing from your self internal very common practice for municipalities for authorities for for most governmental entities and at state level all the way down to school districts and towns sure just one last question
what what prevents us for I'm sure there's an obvious answer but from just issuing bans on a continuous basis especially if they require the pay down at some point in time I mean so
great great question state law 10 years is as long as you can go after 10 years they have to be paid off in full you can't go you can't continue to roll and past the 10 year anniversary you can have a ban you could
have Bans for longer than a 10year period not the original not from the original if you add to it okay then that new one will start a new date for that portion of it understood right so a a
ban can only fund a capital project for 10 years yes is correct correct correct yep in essence your ban is borrowing under a multiple of ordinances and you can borrow under the or for the project for 10 years at that
point you have to retire or go to permanent bonds right okay any other questions ladies and G guys no thank you ladies and gentlemen thank you for joining us on Zoom
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e e e e why I looked I just want to see where o moving on in the agenda approval of minutes budget meeting March 11 2024 do I have a motion so move second roll
call counc CIO yes counc te yes councilman uh yes Council will bz yes council president the sen yes public meeting conference uh public meeting March 18 2024 conference budget meeting March 18 2024 do I have a motion move
second R call Council CIO yes councilman SE yes Council council counc president the sen yes report of the administrator uh thank you sir I'll be very quick uh last meeting
we had two questions one from C council president um the Senna requested information from violia I asked violia if they maintain records of fire hydrant service maintenance in the township specifically how often they are checked for operation and flushing and if so if we may have a
copy is there aolia policy that sets forth a procedure for how often flushing occurs once or twice a year and is there a list of fire hydrants in the township uh responded back by violia test fire hydrants on an annual Bas since in accordance with BPU regulations we are
unable to share those records externally the flushing is performed in accordance with awwa standards there's no list per se but there are 290 fire hydrants in Washington Township uh Mr Man had requested I'm
sorry Mr ol man's requ no that's wrong too you had some questions for oh sorry Mr Olman requested an update in some statistical data regarding our 2025 reassessment questions from Mr Olman
were as follows um appraisal systems maintains a list of Inspector location assignments on their website they posted the initial list of residences with a date assigned of 129 do you know how many of those residences with a 129 date were visited by ASI inspectors inspected
refuse entry access left call back notices Etc if not visited why were they bypassed successfully inspected by ASI inspectors refused entry or access are these levels in line with ASI's historical experience do the levels
indicate an issue with engagement by Township residents is there a need to actively Outreach beyond what has been done to date um I did get a response from Miss holig as well as I had a um conversation with her as well and
she responded a total of 664 residential prop properties have been visited which is about 19.7% of all Residential Properties the current entry rate is 62.8% which is about 247 estimates
refusals the current progress is typical especially starting during winter months please note the stated progress is regardless when the property was issued it is also important to note that once all initial visitors are completed a follow-up letter will be mailed to all
residential no access SLS estimate SL refusal properties indicating we have been unable to gain interior access the importance of an interior inspection to call ASI for an appointment and just uh confirming her uh the information she
wrote to me an email specifically um my office has only received one complaint early on we were able to accommodate that Resident and um everything went along smoothly other than that we have not received any complaints directly to the administrator's office and um you
know this whole big tax assessor stated that everything seems to be you know as it normally is thank you and then just a couple of uh updates we are engaging with pscj on their energy saver program for an energy
audit here at Town Hall you're contacted by the company that uh I guess is contracted with PS it's no cost to the township they recommend it every 5 years um we did have lighting done a few years ago but they're going to come in and see
if there's anything better we can do uh for an energy efficient level I also spoke to him on the ESB building and with the building being two years old um they didn't feel there was any room there and uh We've we've also tried other avenues and we're unable to uh get
a company to come in based on it being very new and the Energy Efficiency of that was put in there when we uh built it lastly um I did want to just mentioned that uh I had emailed Council
last week about not being ready for uh discussion if you were going to discuss the energy we are ready for that this tonight and I want to tell you that part of that um is going to propose some a reduction in our telephone lines and I just want to thank Our qpa Miss tabok
and our admin assistant Mr deleski uh we're working with a new company called quick copper um and transitioning from interg globe and we're looking to save about $1,000 a month so very proud of them uh it goes along with other um employees that are involved in the
purchasing process that work very hard to save money so thank you Council and council president to sen that concludes my update thank you Mr general public comments motion to open the public comment period so move second all in favor I I seeing no one in the audience
motion to close the public comment period so move second all in favor I ordinances adoption second reading none introduction first reading ordinance number 25-7 an ordinance under chapter 87 of the code of the township of Washington
setting forth the rate of clothing allowance of officers and firefighters of the fire department in said municipalities for the year 2025 motion to introduce and pass ordinance number 25-7 at first reading by title I'll
second roll call councilman CIO yes councilman Sears recuse myself from voting Council Elman yes Council bz yes council president the sener yes resolution number 25-1 190 authorized publication of ordinance number 257 and
schedule a public hearing motion so move second Council CIO yes counil seuse myself voting councilman man yes Council valz yes council president C yes individual resolutions resolution number
25-1 191 authorize an emerg emergent appropriation prior to adoption of the 2025 current budget in the amount of 3,939 7181 do I have a motion so Mo have a second second discussion uh yeah um Mark
is this the 26% uh this is going up to 50% so our first temporary budget was a 26.25 per. uh it seems like it's common we did it last year and the year before just I don't want to see how long like it's a criticism but because the budget's not
ready yet uh it's to go for another um another segment of our um temporary budget so this will bring it up to 50% except for those those amounts on the last page that are indicated with an A okay let's back up so we did 26 to
begin with right y first 10 budget oh excuse me a second so uh Mr corkin says he can't hear I don't know if it's anything on our side he might have to jump in um so yes sir so the first temporary budget at a reor meeting was for
26.25 and this is for another 26 John are you on yet hear us you were muted sorry about that okay um John the question is if this is another 26% I think this brings
us up to 50% so I don't want to say Well it in theory it does but it's higher because of the fact that I had to put in the full amount for the two pension items because du April 1st you have a 30-day grace period but I I can't risk
it not being approved because that payment can't be late so that's why that's why it's slightly higher than the original one because of that but all so that's only the lines on the last page indicated with an a parentheses that are above the
50% no no no no no the items that have an A are just they're basically excluded from the calculation um um like like de service and items like that that's just part of part of the number but the reason why it's hard
original uh normally it wouldn't be it would be slightly lower because normally it would bring you 50% but because of the two the two pension items um that have to be for the full amount I think I believe it's on page
six are the two pions yes yes the m84 249 uh that's the four years worth and I had to do it that way because like I said it's du April 1 uh and you have to wa for 30 but but I
I I it's something I do every year because it's du by a certain time and the budget is since I've been has never been adoped before that P so that's why that's why I have to do that other than those lines we just indicated are the remainder of the lines at
50% yes the only one I might be slate with might be the library because I I try to get a certain am of months in but that's also statutory I believe I believe I put five months in work for for the library only ones more than 50% from
last year does that help sir okay when you said 50% I wasn't talking about the total I'm talking about this for this court I assume it's we're doing for right because we did supposed to be 50% of your prior your adopted budget the
first one is 26 and a quarter and then the second one is supposed to bring it 50% why it's higher is because of the pension okay the first one was 26% correct yes the second one is 26 27 28%
right so above a little bit above 50% in total I I don't think that's well I don't want to know I don't want to answer I have a different way of answering it than I think you do John so oh well okay technically it's over 50% because of those lines that John
explained have to be more yes in hopes of being able to answer what I thought you were looking for is a majority of those lines are at 50% Mark so like the the first line for administrator my salary that's half of the approved
amount from 2024 and then every line afterwards until we get down to the the ones he specifically the two pension payments the two pension payments and then the that's fine that's that's okay everybody good any other
questions from Mr C yeah I do while while he's here can you calculate for me um before the end of tonight what it would take to bring down the overall budget $47 per average
household the average household is 469,000 right is that sound 46 something 465 465 can you calculate what it would bring down the overall tax burden on this budget
$47 um I I I don't know that right now I can get that for you i' like please can you calculate that when you got a when you got a chance can you calculate that for me and send it to me do you mind if I jump in he he could do that I just want to jump in because I have an answer
and working with um Mr barice when we do our revenue and tax PCT it's roughly $28 to $30 for every $100,000 okay so $100,000 I would say about $28 for $100,000 okay so we got 56
would be 200k to get 47 maybe you know 10 okay you know 160 Grand thank you thank you so much no roll call Council CIO yes councilman Sears yes Council
yes Council bz yes council president the Senate yes resolutions consent agenda the following items have been determined to have the unanimous consent the council will be enacted in one motion should any item require independent consideration any council member may have such item removed from the consent agenda would anybody like any items
removed at this time yes please what number Mr uh 192 193 194 and 195 2 three four and
five Okay resolution number 25-1 196 authorized refund of engineering escro fees block 3301 Lot 29 in total amount not to exceed $135 resolution number 25197 authoriz fund of engineering esro remaining esro
fees block 2503 lot and the total amount not to exceed $3,438 resolution number 25198 authorize refund of engineering escro fees block 4427 lot 13 in the total amount not to exceed
$735 resolution number 25-1 199 authorize amended dates for Council meetings for year 20 2025 resolution number 25200 support authorizing participation in the 2025 sustainable Jersey PSG
energy efficiency partnership program motion to approve consent agenda resolution so Mo second V councilman Casio yes councilman Sears yes councilman Omen yes Council valz yes
council president set yes resolution number 25-1 192 authorize cancellation of Grant receival and appropriated reserves do have a motion move discussion Daisy m
I think Mike m discuss you have questions also I you you did she did say we do discussion we're going discuss go ahead Char um the question I have is
um I'm trying to understand what the the entries are for the these uh for these corre for these cancellations okay is it okay if I answer now go ahead Mr um okay let's take the first one the
cdpg for the parking SPS for 2019 that out of the four is the only one that is not put in fund balance because we have aable for that on on the books which is why by canceling it we'll be getting we'll
be removing that from the books the other three do not have a grant receivable balance which is why those three are going to fund So when you say the fund balance so
yeah drive sober and pull over we have a grant an appropriated Reserve balance like what does I guess what does that mean
1,485 basically those three items have have a grand account that is set up that have that have these specific balances that we will no longer be paying out so so that's why it it's set up that way so
um are we taking Revenue here no basically we're canceling them basically it's the opposite of when you set it up in terms of the appropriate Reserve balance so it's it's really giving the money back into the Reserve balance but then it's also it's also
will be going into fund balance because we're canceling the me which is which is why it is different than the than the other item because that is actually a grander that we have as at the end of last year so by doing this we'll be able to take that off of that
schedule but if we have a receivable that we're not going to rece receive or we're canceling it doesn't that result in an expense to us no it doesn't it's it's really just a
potential it's really just removing the receivable it's it's just a journal entry you do a certain journal entry when these things first uh are created and then depending on whether these items get uh finalized you you come to a
point where you can can some of these items out whether it's grants trust accounts anything like that um that was basically that was money that we never had in hand that's why it's under the grants receivable so if I remember I
think we received the grant per se 70,000 we only could prove expenses of 59,000 so for the accounting aspect of getting off the books we have to we have to cancel that so we will Zero out our balance in the Grant and then it'll
reduce our grant receivable by 11,000 because we're never going to get that money but that 11,000 was also money we never had in hand the appropriated Reserve balance is money that already went through the budget cycle wasn't spent by the end of the budget cycle and
was put into a Grant Line That's why that was money we actually had therefore that's why it's going into fund balance if that if that helps explain it in a little little different of a way and it also it also allows you to cancel those those four items out as far as
grants so if you to run a grant report once these get approved I will cancel them after then so you won't you won't see these more a report that's the other side okay have we so in the case of the
parking stalls in the example I don't know if it's a true example but 70,000 we expended 60 or 59,000 do we still have a grant receivable for that 59 do you know in
this particular example did we get this money the answer would be no because we received that Grant reimbursement so that's why we're cancelling what the difference was so when we when we were awarded say $70,000 John you weren't here in 2019
either correct no I wasn't I would imagine that and I Grant Line was set up for 70,000 and we also um I don't know if it's a credit or debit these accounting terms to the grants receivable so once we receive the
distribution of 59 for the expenses we could repr approve we lowered our grant receivable by 59 if we don't cancel out this 11 it'll always show as a grant receivable and that's essentially unfair to us because we'll never get that money because the project concluded so even
though we they award that we're not going always get that unless that's what we spend hope that makes sense you know yes okay some of this most of this is just accounting a lot of it was us like you know I promise to go through these accounts and and organize them and clear
them up and it just takes a lot a long time because you're trying to figure out what this project was is it done is it all paid for who to figure out who to talk to at the county and we're able to finally do that and feel comfortable that we're canceling stuff we're not going to need is it POS possible for
just this example here uh and I'm looking at 25 192 the the actual debits and credits is it and the accounts that they're hitting are they uh asset account liability account memo
account uh just so I can look at it uh because I think I'm uh although I understand your explanation Mr D Carlo I think it would sort of ify it uh just looking at debits and
credits so you actually you really they credit yeah so I'm assuming that there's a um there are Ledger tickets for
3,338 I'm assuming there's a debit and a credit and that debit and credit uh hit uh a balance sheet account and I don't know if it's a memo account or a uh you know another balance sheet
account well if I if I may these entes were done uh I'm not making any EXC here but these entes were done before I was here um and I don't know if I can you're only allowed certain amount of years you go back to look at these so I guess I'm
trying to say I don't know if there was a particular like an original Journal license for 3338 because I I think the amounts were probably higher and and and this ends up being balanced in terms of the last mon for Woodfield Road that really is really just around
me because we had on the books 178 113 last year we got money 17 112 all three of those will be going into Fun BS SE I I'll work with you tomorrow or during the week to see how we can accommodate Mr all
okay thank you you go with that exclamation okay uh motion to discuss 25 193 no you have to do a roll call now discussion do that so I need roll oh for this one yes okay roll call to
approve 25 192 yes so move second you did your motion you did your second now you do a roll call so it's be Council and C yes councilman Sears yes councilwoman Omen councilwoman I'm sorry councilman Omen that's not the first time you've
done I know I'm sorry councilman only it's quite all right sir thank you I know my haircut and throwing you off uh yes Council woman valz yes council
president sorry about that any uh motion to discuss 25 193 so moved second discussion uh have we just decided not to move forward with this
project yeah um I'm not I'm not too you know unfortunately the mayor's not here he was more familiar with what this project was but we discussed it and um it was determined that it is not needed I'm sorry I can't give you more information on what it was originally for
back in 2019 but the mayor did confirm with me that it's not needed that's why we're canceling it and then this kind of goes back to our to discussion when we were talking during the financing thing of still clearing up so when I said like you spent all the money in 2308 this was
that's 21,000 change is what was left in the soft costs for all those ordinances 23 that we no longer need anymore um so again that's you know our commitment again to cleaning this up especially how important it is for when we go to borrow
money so it's just canceling balances we didn't need and in this circumstance for 1917 it was the total amount that an account line was set up for that we never spent money on that must have been one of the approved projects in ordinance um 19 so Mr
Casio was this an item that w we going to do something with the school we needed to put fiber in and it had it had to do with I believe it had to do with Communications with the school with all the all the schools and Link them to the two burrow Halls
Westwood and Washington Town spto Hall but I don't recall the exact the exact nature of it and I don't know if um we got money somewhere else for it if the project was ever completed so um this isn't money in hand is it more
uh well this would this is this is a portion of 1917 that was unfunded it was unfunded right so it reduced uh the numbers in the presentation calling the camera system I I gave them this number anticipating it
to be approved tonight so their presentation was based on okay this this lowered amount of $250,000 I can look at the ordinance real quick on the website see if explains it a little better yeah I vaguely remember it with
being um something with security between the police stations the B calls and the two um the the schools but I do not recall so you want to 1917 is a big big one 4 million you can want to table that
or you want I had the same question that you talking about the communication yeah why we never did it so the ordinance says Improvement oh you want to read it make Improvement of various properties and facilities in and by the
township including by the installation of a fiber optic Network together with all structures equipment working materials necessary therefore or incidental there too all is shown on and in accordance with the plans and specifications therefore on file are to
be filed in the office of the Township Clerk and hereby approved that's what it says in there and again it was for 250 but the account was set up for 229 because I'm sure a soft cost right was taken out of that I mean we table this one until we
get the reason why we didn't do this because it was pushed as a we did like an emergency thing on this and I was on the council last time and it was an important thing for the municipality to save lots of money and I thought it was I thought it was communication with the
schools but also uh putting fiber in so we could put cameras active active shooter stuffff was more thought it was cameras at the parks and stuff correct yeah it was a
number of facilities but main supposed to connect all the backbones to everybody like including IH was supposed to connect to us want to just table the whole thing and leave the N the 21 in there so it's cleaner yeah I'll just table the whole
thing okay so we'll table 193 okay thank you resolution number 25194 authorized cancellation of miscellaneous reserves other trust fund I have a motion some second discussion by canceling the trust fund
I'm assuming this comes into Revenue yes it he doesn't we didn't put the other column but in the left paragraph it says balance sheet be canceled to the current fund balance go the Surplus okay with that y roll call
Council Casio yes councilman yes councilman yes Council valz yes council president the sen yes resolution number 25-1 195 authorized cancellation of Grant receivables and unappropriated reserves dri have a motion Mo
second discussion there is there something particular about this uh it wasn't included in 192 or it's just another if I make Council pres go ahead
Mr this these monies represent actually over pay we received back in 23 uh for Sherry field uh so because of that at this point uh originally we put that
into unappropriated Reserve bounds when it first happened but uh now now I can now what I'm doing is I'm I'm reversing and putting into fund balance that's really there was no payment for Grant
monies that we were we we're expect okay we good call coun CIO Mike I just want no problem again this C gets very confused so this is monies we had on hand where we were basically we for I I
I believe it was a little under 12,000 what we were waiting for and and and we got it pay for I believe it was around 15,000 maybe just over 15,000 so basically when it first came in I reded the grand by by the bigger amount and
then and this this these extra monies for the time being um I put it into the unappropriate Reserve pance but but at this time um I can I can ver that and and really really fund bance sounds like that's where it was
supposed to go correct John is that where it was supposed to go initially yes initially that's that's where yeah that's where it had to go initially okay but but at this point we can we can reverse it out of there and put okay thank you
roll Council CIO yes councilman seers yes councilman Alman yes Council bz yes council president is z yes motion to adjourn uh conference agenda so moved second all in
favor on the conference agenda uh the ordinances are listed for us uh we're not going to discuss them tonight but they're there for review um I know Mr Dar Carlo and Mrs Bailey have been working diligently on them and getting us to revisions uh once the budget's
over we'll review them we just wanted to keep them on there as a placeholder okay good even M Bailey good evening coun enjoy the rest of your night thank you very much changes to these or are these the latest drafts latest the latest drafts
are in our pocket M the the question was asked by m what we have in our packet is the latest draft of those three ordinances 307 223 and 5 corre that's correct are they redlined or are they just uh they're not
but if you prefer that I can SE we do that provide that to sue easier to read I could do that F we figure I'll put them next to each other or I can I can tell you the next time exactly where to go I
know whatever you prefer I don't know if I want to know where you want me to go well if you change your mind let us know all right you want the red line we're going to go into budget discussion I guess we'll start on page 20 21 okay
21 yeah 21 the um Z off meetings and conferences uh 21 all right top of page 21 you have um we you going to do salary sir or were you just going to jump off with the
tabled zoning office D meetings yeah we're going to do the zoning office dues meetings in confer we Ted that okay I had um given Council an explanation you know a week or two ago basically the $600 increase is the increasing cost um
for the live streaming of the uh the zoning board meetings they were 250 um and it was raised to 300 so that's where the extra $600 comes from so I did some I did some you know some backlog on
YouTube YouTube and stuff nobody watches these meetings when they're on they're not even on YouTube like you you can only watch them live and then they don't go anywhere so why are we video why are we why are we videotaping this if we're not sending them live and the same thing happens to a planning board they don't
go on YouTube or anything that's the council meetings no the this is for Z Zing board and planning board meetings we record and you could you could live stream them when they're on and then I guess they're in our Cloud but nobody has access to that cloud other than you
know the zoning board secretary or the planning board secretary council president the way I understood it because I looked into it too is we have the ability to do that it's just the individual boards I guess elected not to which can be changed by that so we have
you know it's all set up to be just like it is for the council meetings it's just right now the planning zone are live streamed they're not that put on YouTube they like I said they're live stre but and there's only like one person on them it's the same person every time seems like yeah I don't know how many watched
I just know that apparently it was the individual boards that made that decision but I'm not sure why so is there a reason we need to videotape to do this I think I mean again I don't want to speak at a term but when I first came it was the first budget year so it would
be 23 is when we started doing it for um the council if I remember correctly and then we add that's when it was council's always been well it was added for the planning and the zoning yeah
yeah so that's only since 23 sorry to interrupt you sir okay when they when they have these meetings is there also a phone in like we have no no what do you mean a phone in like we have so members of the public can zoom
in yes but they can't they can't they can't do questions and answers right they can answer questions not not for the planning board they came they uh adopted rules that align with the council Council same thing with zoning
board so you so there is it's not hybrid no it is hybrid so because I think that's how she adverti them is hybrid but they're not because well they're hybrid because they are the members members get on hybrid but not public members they're streamed well as you
said you just can't interact if you want to you have to come to the meeting yes if you want to present you know I think I think that's the difference between having them the C just like hour meeting yeah well that's it's the same exact thing but we just post ours on YouTube
ours get posted so people can watch them and people do watch ours you know if if you really want to come and find out what's going on with zoning and planning you should you should come to the meeting I mean basically all the stuff was for the situ right so as far as I'm concerned Co over M you know and that's
that could be a savings to the town you're talking few $3600 you you have to at least fund the first couple months because he did it you know yeah understand we understand it's already it's already done so cut out do I would
like to you know 00 um was it 36 so half let's do it till Jun you want to do it for both boards that's my motion for both boards just C it in half so the motion by Mr Casco who I was second for Min missing 1800 out of 250 that'll pay for 16
25 2 B 21 page 21 second 51 5121 185 so we have a motion for Mr Casio to cut $1,800 anybody want to Second it this is just the meetings the record everything say I'll second wa wait hold
on where right here right here 1852 21 page 21 said second thing from the bottom second from the bottom am I in the wrong place yeah yeah 21 page no this says 21 no you're on the you're on the um you're on the breakdown page
break you want to be on the the budget itself the budget page sorry oh here okay thank you sorry roll call 21 so wait so you want to reduce it to 25 right that's 1800 yes we're taking 1800 out y so that5 yeah
yeah okay thank you okay councilman CIO yes Council yeah councilman C Council councilman seers okay no counc yes yes councilman Alman
no council valz yes and council president the Senate yes sir before you move on I just want to make sure I understand it the account line is 2500 and it were approving um six meecl six meetings at $300 yes okay, 18800
okay yeah because it would have been 3600 for 12 meetings thank you so we're cutting six meetings out and then did you want to go back to planning yes we're going to go back to planning I just don't know what page that is on temporarily 20 what page is it page 20 got it
19 it's really on it's it's yeah it's the bottom of 19 and the top of 20 it's cut in half oh yeah okay so so we cut it by 200 so we're going to do the same thing here I'll make the proposal this is different here the
recordings are $100 a piece oh and so 24 it was cut from 26 to 24 yep so we're going to cut another $600 out of that well they had 24 meetings recorded at 100 right so we we say
they've done 12 of them already right right so we're going to cut $1,200 for a total of 1,400 and leave $1,200 in this line item again we cut month right yeah so we're going to leave six of them we're going to leave we six months 12 so we're
got to take 12 more at $1,00 we already took 200 out 1,00 so it's 1,200 will be remaining in this line and then you're leaving me 200 for the organization right the njpl no so you're going to leave me 1,400 bucks is what you're saying we're
going to take out we're going to take out $1,400 and leave you $1,200 but I need2 200 for the for the other yeah but she got $1,200 oh 200 more for that so A th so a th we have to take out a th so I'll make a motion to
take a th000 out 12 yeah 1,200 total because we took 200 out of it already yes so motion to reduce it to 12200 $1,400 okay I'm sorry we're on two two 51211
80250 top of the P you know why because I didn't have a no sorry okay that makes so we're going to cut six we're going to cut 12 meetings out $100 out for a total of $1,200 we already took $200 out of this line item right so it remain $1400
in this line item Mr Casio has made a motion to have a second second how is it400 200 for the the njp whatever forget about the first one you're just going to make a 1200 Goa okay so I'm sorry who motioned uh Mr Casio who
seconded it Mr Sears okay councilman Casio yes councilman seers yes councilman Alman no counc yes council president the yes okay and that's for service including
June we kept theall to June to June plus the 200 thank you would you be able to ask uhen FR uh can you ask her if she if she needs those for her function
so I understand we cut them and we can add them back if needed but does she require them to perform for okay all right we're going go we're going to go to page
33 let me just can I just ask Mike Mike that your question what would she needed for her role in that aren't they there's a secretary there is that what you're just talking about yes but doesn't she get the recordings just like Sue
does uh she very well may okay I'm just asking the question is that true yeah we we do the same thing she has a recording uh she also I believe takes minutes in the moment or notes in the moment right uh I don't know if she would need them
uh as a backup uh so I'm just asking does she need them to perform her role understood okay than okay all right so on the bottom of page 32 OEM C program um there's no funding there sir
it continues down at $7500 $750 what yeah that's the way the control line goes why do that like that no hold on that's the all right so first a organization cont contribution 40,000
requested 40,000 recommend uh well what what are we doing with that since we're talking about doing the I know County right well you do have a shared service agreement that you you
did approve with the county um you know and speaking uh with the mayor we do respectfully request the 4,000 um if things don't work out I mean I know you could readdress it with 26's but budget but I know um with the mayor
speaking with the amland squad they were hoping to be funded at the the 40,000 this year but where is the where is the agreement money coming from then the the County's free this shared service agreement the count
okay so I mean I I don't understand how if we reducing hold on if we're reducing the coverage and using another organization why we would fund it at
100% um well I don't know if we're reducing we're not reducing the coverage by the volunteers the volunteers are still going to to um man it for lack of a better term the way they always have they're just going to be supplemented by
the county but if you remember the county not a guarantee they'll be positioning their ambulance and personnel there to respond to but there's no dedication there's no absolute dedication of service to the
township The Hope and desire is there because that's where they they'll be but they may be out in another call so Mark I guess you you may not know when we give them the the $40,000 right for the contribution do you know
how that's allocated or that's not in our purview because I don't know how it's allocated um I don't know the answer if it's something I can officially ask for um but I don't I've never seen how it's we give it you know quarterly
$10,000 each I understand could it be table for an explanation on how Dr CIO you want to just about it that's what your motion is table it yeah I I'll motion table because again it's just it's it's a very
difficult no I mean so we were presented with a number of options options we went you know we could not sign any shared
service and ask the ambulance service to You Know cover all calls that they're assigned through their rotation with the tribe burrow however it works and there was a
challenge with meeting that uh those calls I mean that's why we had these discussions so you know there's a per you know there's a performance issue here correct um you
know I I believe we the mayor uh or I believe the ambulance Corps should be providing details on their performance I mean I don't know if we should be paying or contributing or making a donation whatever however we want to call it um
at 100% of Prior funding if that's not the level that we're getting I mean we the reason we had to enter into an agreement is because they W providing service right I mean did did you mean did you mean performance issue or more of a staffing
issue it's a performance issue it's a well it's a coverage issue it's not a performance issue c yeah no I figured that's what you meant I just you know for I think it's a better term C saying Staffing or or coverage and I remember when Mr Greco and Mr Aron were in here
they had spoken about some new membership um that they had now certainly not enough to cover it 247 are you right we would come to you with options um but because they're they they have a desire to keep it a b and Squad
not you know diminish until it's you know slowly um can't think of the word I'm thinking of you know deteriorated to that point of not having a volunteer Squad so you know that's why we were hoping for the the 40,000 funding to see us through this year and um you know see
how that shared service because again we might have to come back to you next year and say the count didn't work out we're going to strongly recommend you know the PID the next step up for the the paid share service so so my question
is do we have a metric available an agreed metric on the level of service that's going to be provided by Washington Township
volunteer ambulance SCH or were we told that they could give us how many calls they had last year and how many they responded to and how many went to Mutual Aid when they were here didn't we ask for that information and we were told it would be supplied at at a later date yes am I am I interpreting what was that I
mean and I would have thought that you know we would have that monthly or quarterly you know so we can determine if you know when the call comes in and it's dispatched out you
know is it answered because at the end of the day that's what you know we're looking for is the coverage so the motion is to continue or table gentlemen ladies I don't know if I'll have any more information is that something Mark
you can ask the mayor tomorrow if we can get that information because I know if you're all table it I certainly will see what I can get I mean if if it I'd like to know like indicating what the fun spend on helps well not even that I I think like I'd like to know like in 2024
what were the stats and for the first quarter of 2025 maybe not the first quarter maybe January and February because we're we're only like what were the stats of January and February like how many times were they called how many times did they respond how many times did we go to Mutual Aid how many times did the county answer right because
that's all got to be documented right because every time the the call is made right it gets logged in at the police desk right must yeah I'll try and get statistics and this question question is not antagonistic but how does how do you correlate what you'll give them in a budget to how many calls they responded
I'm just I just want to know because of because of the request that was brought up here on the day is that we may have to go to paid volunteer paid ambulance courp excuse me right that that's what prompted us and and my whole objective is you know any minute that we delay a
call for that that rig leaving and having to go to Mutual Aid and not biting the bullet and just going to paid right now is somebody's life at risk right we're not talking you know the volunteer Ambulance Corp has worked for years but they've had their difficulties
in in in now in the last few years so I I understand they're trying but I don't want somebody to be you know a minute short because we just don't have the volunteers and we should go to pain and we need to make that decision so it's going to be a difficult decision on this
day we're not there yet so but that's not that's but we we we we've discussed this now for for three or four months on this day that there's an issue there we were ready to spend 75k yeah we were ready to join Hill so I mean there's a there's an issue there because we were
ready to I thought I mean I wasn't here for the beginning portion of their presentation but I thought the last time they were here if I remember correctly they said that they were still okay for now they were still you know able to do their job and and provide the service
I'm again M Le I'm not the one that brought it to our attention it was brought by the administration there's issue here and I just don't you know if the issue is is legitimate and we need to throw money at this to save a minute two minutes for a call or possibly even more minutes it's too
important it's too important and I I I value their I value what they set up here I I value their volunteerism and all the effort and all the training they do but if we can't if we have an issue we need to this is something we can't kick down the road we need to you know
in the butt now how it works you have to understand how it works before we make any decision so I'll I'll make a motion to table table it until next meeting please if you wouldn't mind if you want I mean if you want to see their financials we should we should ask and
if they say no then we determine what we do from there again Mr guess I will I will try and get the financials as well as statistical data but I just again you know I just want to make sure that you know the procedures in place that
there's no delay in time you know someone doesn't answer so financials are are not important like Mr al man has his own uh no I but mine is mine is I'd like to know like the response like you know how many do we respond to how many do we have to go to Mutual Aid how many the
county actually grabbed in the last two months since they've been here and what that is because that's what we you know no I I totally get it I and I think I understand the financials as being important because that's what you're going to fund um I just didn't want any anybody to think that you know because
they might have a staffing issue that it delays anything you know the police I think they were here it's five minutes and then it goes out a second call and they go to Mutual Aid so um and then that's it but I'll get the information thank you all right moving on down you want to do a roll call on a table oh I'm
sorry table Mr SE seconded it roll call councilman Casio yes councilman C councilman Omen yes councilman bz yes council president to Sen yes ambulance Gip premium 6,186 requested
6,186 recommended is that an A bill that's a bill sir yes okay well any any discussion not really went up yeah yeah I'm good with that they at any point during the course of
a 7 by 24 week are they not on duty are they not providing providing coverage I believe officially I believe the answer to that is yes they yes they are not or yes they it
247 their their coverage is 247 but I don't believe they can staff 24 set so I guess my question is if they are only if they're not officially Staffing
or officially covering Monday to Friday 6 to 6 let's say I mean you know do our premiums go down because they're not 247 I don't know the definite answer to that but I would
imagine not because they could at any time right like you know if they're you know someone could be available I just know they can't they don't always have someone in the building 247 okay thank you all right uh fire prevention miscellaneous expenses 4,500
requested 4500 recommend it do a negative 300 on that you want to reduce it by 300 yes I if if I may I spoke to uh the Fire official the other day and he's accounting for every bit of the 4500 um and none of that he's not
anticipating spending any of that on uh the giveaways he feels he has enough for that so it's like his enforces system and and his code books and he spent almost 4500 last year too just spent just under 40 thank you for less than
Mr Sears has made a motion for reducing it to 300 I have a second I'll second Roo councilman Casio yes councilman seers yes
councilman yes Council valz no council president desna yes uh flipping the pages I'm glad to say a lot of them are full where are on uh page [Applause]
38 um I don't think you have anything well I'm start at 30 oh DPW is next week so 43 if you want to do recycling yeah hold on 40 great uh recycling uh street sweeping how we start that yep yeah so
we have DPW street sweeping 30,000 requested 30,000 recommended this is for four sweepings uh this is a contractual amount with pamis Mr car yeah we have shared service agreements with I think pamis Emerson the
county um so we we have yeah we have several shared service agreement so it you know there's a contracted price and then there's a cost to dispose of what's picked up okay any discussion uh just a question mark are we looking to use one
vendor more than the other or just who's available the county the county tends to be a less expensive but it also is when we have someone available so if I remember correctly the county will give us the machine and we have to provide the
operator but it you know it also depends you know how busy they are so you know we try to use it the county we didn't get until almost a halfway point last year and then it was you know a training issue and then it was an availability issue so to answer your question the
Train the county would be the most cost efficient for us right but it's not always the most practical or available at the time okay so that's what we try to do first and we have members trained how many members we have trained on this I don't know I can find out but I don't
know everybody okay with that line yep all right so if each sweep is 5K plus The Dumping which looks like it runs about $1,000
plus or minus so that's 6,000 6 * 4 is 24 you we well we spent we spent a little over 26 and what's not um specific in the shared service
agreement is The Dumping fee so the cost to use it is set but if the dumping goes up you know I'll need money to account for it and if you know again at different times of the year you know the end of the year and the beginning of the year you're attend to be I think one years more so 24 would definitely I
think be too low I you know I would hope you wouldn't lower it at all so I have that buffer there but would you like to make a motion mrman 28 like by anybody accepting that Mark one other question is it on
the number is the number of uh pounds that we dumped for the number of times we dump with the I think it's tons T it sweeps up [Music] yeah pick up your bottles enforce your lit that would help reduce the amount
anybody second I'll second roll call for 2,000 reduction counio yes cers no councilman Omen yes Council bz no
council president to sen yes recycling salary wages recycling coordinator uh we didn't ask for an increase from last year it's it's split between two employees for doing all the recycling coordinating there's a ton of work with that okay any discussion good no all
right uh recycling paper and plastic curb fees 165,000 requested 165,000 recommended the Gate of contract for 2025 is 161,000 200 Atlantic Coastal is approximately 24,000 need 185 offside by
recycling tonnage Grant so we're at 165 everybody okay with that yes good yes recycling leaf and brush disposal fees 25,000 requested 25,000 recommended need 100,000 offset by
75,000 in clean Community Grant everybody okay with that yeah M can I just go back and ask Mr to Carlo a question about the recycling yes um did we ever check if we um can do single stream and if that will reduce cost did
we ever ask them if we can do what I'm Sor single stream I know we're under PL paper again we're under bid right now for the Dual stream so we have to wait for the new yeah I think it's another two years or it might be another three years we might
be in the second but if we could save gain of money by going to single stream with they be willing to renegotiate I can look into it yeah would you please I mean I forget I think we did I feel like I did I remember we did something with it I don't recall what it was but you know it seems like a
lot of towns are doing single stream because it's it's cost effective for pretty much everyone because they only have truck they only have to come down once so it saves them man time and and uh diesel so again just a just a
question thank you the 75,000 grants we're in the next line right 220 Mr Al 220 yes so
the 100 is the uh expected expense we wouldn't want to show this gross well if I show it gross then that's how how much we're raising in
taxes right so I I have Grant lines with appropriated funds meaning they already went through the the um the budget cycle at some point they're old um
and so some of it some of that 75,000 is accounted for in the the uh clean community's Grant further on down in the budget and then some of it I have in Grant lines so it's not in as a
revenue and if I put 100,000 in there then that's what we're raising in taxation would be the $100,000 and I don't need that I just need 25 to supplement the other now of course next year if I don't have that you know I'm going to come look at you
for whatever next year is going to cost that's the you know unfortunate tradeoff of utilizing the lines but it's money that's been sitting there and wasn't used there's not another mechanism to bring the grants
into sort of Revenue um because only because well I still wouldn't be I guess it gives you so for instance um when we talked about cancelling some of the capital
ordinances that were funded and we took that money and we said we're going to pay down future Debt Pay down future debt we're going to offset uh so we won't have to raise 100,000 for this year's Debt Service we
only have to raise 98,000 because we cancel 2,000 isn't that we didn't well Shor of but see the the grants the grants most likely already were listed as a revenue when they were put through the budget system let's say
if these were 2018 2019 it already went through the revenue and budget cycle so now they're in the Grant Line so I think from an accounting perspective it wouldn't be it wouldn't be correct to put them back in the revenue
side is from what you know just understanding that you know I I see how you operate in the fun way you like to know how much things cost from year to year so and I understand call me crazy no C no I'm just saying I know what you're looking for and I understand why
you want it but I guess that's what will you know the the account line are you know I can always provide you how much did you sp spend with environmental renewal well this is how much we spend and it's just another I guess Cog in the wheel when it comes to looking how much we need but this money is guaranteed
right Mark the 75 we have it we have it all right all right uh flipping the page I youday at 25,000 yes yep um that's DPW recycling Green Team at the top of page 44 yes I would like
to reduce that let me let me read it 12,000 requested 12,000 recommended yes Mr s I'd like to reduce that by, 1500 can we make it 2,000 and make it an even 10,000 um got big things going on time yeah I
got I got I got a donation for a lot of trees so I may need so Mr Mr Sears has made a motion for reducing the line 250 for the Green Team to $10,500 with a $1,500 reduction I have a second second
Mo roll call councilman Casio yes councilman Sears yes councilman Omen yes Council yes council president to sen yes on the bottom of page 45 Community Services Act
condos 36,000 requested 36,000 recommended that's a uh Financial uh cost right for them because they pay taxes and don't receive services so that's the get back right yeah where are we again at the bottom of page 45 yes
and just just in case the question comes up we actually spent $ 34,5 32 because the bill came in after I printed this okay on February 11th was there Mark was it not a bill to receive for uh
2022 we missing something there I just I just understand why it varies can you um this obviously you know or if you don't know it's for the street lights and the hydrants in the condo associations the agreement we have with
some of the condo associations to give them I don't know if the proper word is a rebate you know right for the recycling they pick up so you know it's dependent on whether they come looking for it got so they may have not come looking
for it while we had that money in the reserve because I know they took I know one of them and I won't say who took a couple years to catch up to us but we had to pay it so and I think that might have been in 23 so if you know I 21
would be even a better a better question I sorry I just I just don't know right you're leing it we're leaving it alone y flipping to page 4 six uh [Music]
Health meeting fees 50127 3301 170 625 requested 62 um10 what's that he's skipping it because it's a uh register it's a salary
so we're skipping yeah so I went to uh meeting fees [Music] requested 625 recommended it's the same as last year it's in line no increase everybody okay with it yep five meetings
at 125 uh Health office supplies on the top of page 47 250 requested 250 recommended good good good meetings dues and conferences 400 requested 400 recommended so who goes to this me it's
my register a certification license marriage license all right uh Health Consulting non-legal 4,800 48924 requested 48924 recommended is our agreement with northb Community y that's an exact
number uh H child child healthare that's Health Public Health nursing 900 requested 900 recommended expected to remove resume services in 2025 with nurse attending senior meetings quarterly
can we minus 500 on that Mr DEA yeah I was well I was gonna say Miss wowski so we you know Sue and I have been working on it to try and get this service back um with for the seniors and I think not throw it back on Su but I think so you
got some confirmation that they plan on coming back to these meetings when in June hopefully so we can have no I think it's quar I think I start Nowa we've had seniors come in Sue right when are they taking our my f are they and it was it was an Alit from hackin
saac and we tried reaching out nobody responded so then we went to back door went back to North Westburg medal Health commission saying can you help us and they came back saying yes what they're going to do is they're going to supply someone to do the the checks with the seniors and lore at the library and they
will review the contract I believe he said at the end of the year is what I told you right y they will review it to see right now they will not charge us anything extra so right now we're not going to need that fund but kind of like going back to what Mr Carlo said earlier if something falls apart and they want more money than if we can go back to
hackin sack hospital or something you know so up to you what you want to do with this could be a moving Target next year or it could be rolled into Northwest so right now they're doing it part of umire the contract for this year okay so so we can make this zero for this year you can as long as you
remember it next year you might not for nothing but for for $48,000 I mean why isn't it included you that's why we're taking it outen I'll make a motion to them to in after once Co hit we couldn't get the service I'll make a motion to reduce it by $900 by
was that to zero zero yes it's included this year in the 48924 that's this year that's this year oh wait so what did you say it's included in their cost this year yeah they said that that was included they weren't going they were going to review the contract at the end of the year to see if there was going to
be additional fees oh okay so we'll take it out but like I said we might need it back somebody second my motion wait wa wait when you say they're review their fees for the following year for the next contract next 2026 second I'll second that all right they're going to increase in next
year you be rolling it right into there that's that's next year's problem that's a big that's a big jump from 43 that's for 48 but look we went from 30s to 40s I mean oh it's a big J they in a NSE couple times definitely going to
jump didn't we do a presentation on this to the jumps yeah yeah so motion to zero it outus 900 has been Me seconded by Dr Casio roll call counc CIO yes councilman Sears yes
councilman Olman yes councilwoman valz yes council president Des yes uh Health Advisory Board 3,000 requested 3,000 recommended I believe no other Advisory Board gets a A you know a budget well
well I mean this is a new line a new request is here maybe councilwoman bz might be able to help me out but um there are several things that the health Advisory Board wanted to do and then under the miscellaneous tab that's one of the reasons why I provided the revenue that the health department
brings in um the town so it is revenue creating and the 3,000 is you know to be speakers there is anticipated speaker you know hopefully for the end of March or beginning of April so we are looking for some funding for this
um so at the last meeting it was discussed I mean we've I've I've been on the board just for one meeting so far um we have another one this week and it was discussed um by all the members how we wanted to do more and bring in speakers
like Mr Dar Carlo mentioned um and get more involved but in order to you speakers where um to speak like I forget what we had said I don't have my notes I'm sorry um to speak in regards to like Health um I
know we talked about drugs I believe that's what was one of them in regards to drug usage and uh prevention a lot of prevention speakers so they do have some projects that they want to get you know up and coming and off the ground but as
anything you know the first takes a little bit of cash to get it rolling before we can see that really be put to use so it was you know they were hoping that we would fund the board so that they can get it going this year um they
had some some of the me again you know I'm brand new but they had some really great ideas there's we table us and you can bring can you bring back what they have this yeah I know you'll leave to one so that's what I'm saying so on Wednesday we'll we'll meet if you have specific questions I would just like to know all the things they want to do with
this so what you know like how would the speakers you know where would they speak and you know how would this contest and there's a the black poster project uh or contest they've been doing it across different uh communities so it has shown some good progress so but I will
information on that I don't know yeah sure I will all right um I know you had asked for 9:15 and it's 9:20 so motion to adjourn one question can we just do the Animal control officer if that's the only all the other on the next page
control anal control officer 13500 requested 13500 recommended this is a contract uh plus deceased animal pickup at $60 each I'm okay with it anybody else everybody else okay with it yes do you know how much
the agement is [Music] uh we counting for like I think we count for 10 we minus 200 out of that no no I was short this past year um because of the dead animals I had to pick up I hate
to say that well he last around so yeah well well I mean all this construction we're get rid of their habitat so they're going to be moving they're running into the road the contract is not it's a control
so if to transfer we go over all was 12,300 you know I left another piece Sor yeah but I'm saying yeah but that was with the extra animals in there so that's what I'm saying I think it was 124
some no no no there the contract amount that's before the dead animal pick up that's what I'm saying 600 plus let me just let me just look to see if I have what's 12450 then if you had 10 animals 12450 plus
600 should have been easy but I was short last year that's why we had increasement it doesn't show you short yeah you were short w we we did some we had oh can't tell Mr what I did
believe went we'll find out one way or the other just tell you won't find out till next year they pulled 200 250 out of something they were short 250 yeah how do you see how do you know that what you I know everything I know it will show me and I can tell you where I
took it because you only paid $875 of the 1020 yeah out of this account so 250 came from somewhere else definely did prob but it was probably appropriate
in waful that's our ter appropriate wa it's a TI yeah yeah if you look at my budget you should have something in there I had the bill in my hand this afternoon too damn it
at this point I'm okay with the I'm okay with there you go okay yes yes yes yes motion toj I'm going my school right so I look out look out the well there's this cat
on a third story ior I motion everyone said I everyone says I good