to open the public comment period Some move Second Hold on No Motion to open the public comment period So move Second All in favor i Would anybody in the audience like to come up
and address the council at this time coming up to you Okay John Komari uh Washington Township Obviously we're just here because my understanding is that there would be some uh capital discussion tonight that may pertain to the police department andor salaries So I just wanted to make you guys aware that we're here for you
know questions discussion or anything like that So we need you We'll call you up Yep Thank you Anybody else like to come up at this time seeing no one else motion you coming up i thought you guys had going to go on You want them to come up now miss or do you want them to wait let's if you want to address their part
of the budget now or Well they don't need to come up in the public meeting We're going to address their We're going to address them when Okay Yeah We're going to address you when we get to your your part of the budget like the chief when we get to the police we'll address it It's okay So motion to close the public comment period Recording in
progress So move Second All in favor i 2024 budget 2025 It says excuse me there's a typo on the page I know Says 2025 Wait a minute
Okay I guess we'll just start on page one and start with salaries right mr D Carlo all these salaries have a 2.5% increase No 2% 2% Well I don't want to get ahead of myself The first two
there's only three positions that have a little greater increased requested um other than the 2% I'm sorry there's three positions that have a requested amount increased from just
the 2% And I can uh advise you as we get there or I can let you know what they are Now I'm looking at the chart I'm just seeing because the chart shows 2% everywhere So I don't know where which ones those would be Yeah So there's there's an asterct in the in the Okay Well aster below but there's nothing
below Uh if you go down to the second page Okay Asterisks Um so but I'll let you know It's going to be the third line for our purchasing and payroll So the first two lines administrator administrative secretary are 2% Um so
yeah for a while we're at 2% until we get down to tax collector Uh deputy treasurer benefits coordinator That's the one that's more Excuse me Excuse me Yes Mr Dro Reach out to John Oh I know I just brought I was bringing him in I um
thank you Not quite The first two are 2% then purchasing and payroll is um a little greater and then the floating staff is 2% Most of everything is 2% It's just sporadic So there's one police officer uh one civilian police position
that's greater than 2% Our tax collector but um it's the role as the health benefits coordinator and deputy treasurer that's greater than 2% And then our purchasing payroll is a little greater than 2%
Yeah that's that's what I'm saying Those are the first ones that aren't 2% The first one that's not 2% will be the third line you discussed tonight If you start at the purchasing and payroll Yes sir Okay All right gentlemen Uh ladies
and gentlemen uh administrator 139518 requested 139518 recommended That's a 2% increase So move Hold on Just see if we can change it Only if we're gonna change it
No I'm I'm going to just uh ask for going across the board instead of a 2% increase 1.5% For all positions So you want to just make all the positions one and a half% Correct So that's my motion
I'll second that So we're just going to take the whole table and just make it one and a half% Except for the uh contractual the Well contractual is a contractual with the police department the DPW But why what I
mean 2% is is quite fair especially in today's economy Mhm So what's the reason they cuz I like one and a half% better than 2% It's a 5.5% savings
That's my reasoning So we have a motion for Mr Casio and seconded by Mr Almond to make everybody one and a half% That's unethical That's unethical to do that to our employees It's not unethical It has
nothing to do with ethics No These are people's salaries These are their livelihoods I understand that That is 2% wrong It's wrong But to say it's unethical Yes it is We're a complete open book here That is wrong There's
been a motion There's been a That's fine But I still unethical about it Absolutely To do that to our employees who give so much to the community That is not that is not right Ro this this is Oh you want you have you
have a comment Mr Here no I I just find that 1.5 is is is nothing for what they contribute to the town 2% is fair Really fair And I understand there's a motion in it I understand that there's going to be a vote on it
but you know the cost of living alone they need this.5 extra from a 1.5 to 2% It's insulting It's insulting
The savings is incredibly minimal in the long run Any other comments roll call Councilman Casio yes Councilman Sears no
Councilman Omen yes Counciloman BZ absolutely not Council President yes So going so we'll go down and just go through them really quick So the first line is okay at with the one and a half
Then second line with the one and a half The third line will have to be one and a half The fourth line the 18750 Mr D Carla you have a comment here for the floating staff tax office Yes that that's
uh that salary request was based on 2% which would increase the $21 an hour to $21.50 per hour So that budgeted number was based on a 50 cent uh per hour raise Okay So what does this person what does this person or people do i guess they
float Well this is the assistant to the tax office but they also fill in for my administrative assistant when um when she is out So I mean since I've come here it's always been called a floating floating position So she'll
fill in for your your assistant Yep So that person really just works in those two offices then yes Is are they different people line 160 and 180 That's why I was asking Yes So uh the person works in the tax
office and then there is a position in the um purchasing that has some escrow responsibility Um this is the 180 person or the 160 person the 180 person So this
is you may see what appears to be a drastic increase in the 180 position but it's not It's just because we didn't we didn't have to fund for a full year of a position last year There was they started there was a vacancy for like two or three two months or so two or three months
So that that so this is just to fund it for the whole year at 2% So this floating person's here 20 hours a week then Yes Yes And the same for the other line Oh the other line they're only here 16 hours a 16 hours a week Yes Okay Do
they do they have to have any qualifications um no I'm just asking from a a strict uh just on the job training There's there's no um CUS that they have to take or
anything But they do run the department when the department heads out but I mean there's no there's no formal certifications All right So I show page one is complete Can I ask a question sure For so for 100-160 that one when Mr Carl when you
and I go through this that one needs to be down to 1.5 because it's a 2% now Yes All these have to be adjusted right but I'm saying the ones but like the ones that I'm going to do is Okay All right All salaries have to be adjusted All right Just I'm just going So I don't I have I have everything on page one
complete Everything on page two complete Everything on page three is complete Anybody see anything there uh page four I have mayor salaries and wages That's okay with the one and a half right everybody okay with that Mike yeah I I
I'm sorry I have to feel like I have to speak up here since we're talking salaries and these are probably rhetorical questions No one will want to answer them Anyone who voted no have you added up what the town will save on this half a percent across the entire salary base
did they get that total like air i didn't want to go there but you know since Mark and I were thinking the same way um I'm going to make an assumption that everyone up here who's working probably did better than one and a half% this year in their jobs Um it really
shows the employees how little we think of them Uh did anyone check to see what surrounding municipalities were doing as far as raises go um I wouldn't be surprised if people start to put their resumes out tomorrow I wouldn't blame them Uh we have good talent here that
will be scooped up And for relatively small amount when you're talking about this many employees um I I think you're doing the town an injustice Uh because you know they'll be appreciated somewhere else And I know certain
council people up here say "Well you know we can get someone to replace them." A lot we built up a lot of experience in these people and they know their jobs very well in the town And so you know it's my job to speak up for the employees in addition to the taxpayers
But you know if someone does the math I think you'll see this half a percent is really not saving a lot as opposed to the message that the council is sending our employees So I would ask you to reconsider based on those reasons Thank you
Page four Everybody good with everything on page four page five is complete Page six uh is complete Oh no sorry Township clerk may I ask this 1.5% Is that
getting you your 10% fake promise what fake promise your fake 10% municipal tax cut that this is not adding up to it So is this 1.5 have you done the math to see if it equates to
1.5 it does not come close No So the 10% of the spending that we do in this town that we but the spending is for the town not not against the town But I did say we so I did say we that we do in this town So So let me throw this out
That we do in this town I will forego my stipen as you call it if we give and you three should also do it I won't speak for Mr years but give up the salaries and give the half of a percent back to It doesn't equate to that's more than
Exactly So 10% doesn't equate to this savings right this it goes every penny of that goes toward that savings 5% does not equate to your 10% savings that you're trying to achieve And so you're trying to achieve a fake promise It's not a fake promise
It's a promise that we tried to achieve and at the last but at the expense of our our our workers Nobody's saying it was at the expense of our workers Well it is it is the expense of our workers up until two years ago That's what they that's what it's the expense of the workers Mike I mean we can argue all we
want It's Yes And we will because it is not right that you are taking you know food out of people's mouths I'm not taking food out Yes you are Absolutely I I we have people this is this is wrong You know we m Mr
Sears and I have been working with all of you on the budget making cuts where we agree can be cut Now you're taking it out of our employees families their ability to to buy groceries at Fresh Grocerer to keep
you know making the economy move with on our community at for what to say I cut half a percent You're not saving that much It's wrong You gentlemen are are on the wrong side of the issues Thank you
On page six we're looking at clerk uh item 110 Everybody okay with that with the reduction next one is okay with the reduction On page seven I don't have anything that needs to be filled out Everybody okay with that on page
seven On page eight I don't have anything on page eight that needs to be addressed at this time Uh page nine has a bunch of stuff uh chief financial officer finance director deputy treasurer benefits
coordinator Those three will go through with the one and a half% You're cutting finance directors even though or directors even though they weren't scheduled for a raise No no I'm not cutting them I I said it's just good That line has to be addressed There was no Well addressed means leaving that one as is then Yes Oh when you say I said we
we said one could take that either way Oh I'm sorry This sheet is the only one that's being adjusted Mr All right I thought you said finance director No no I said that's okay The way it is I missed that part Those are three items on page nine is the finance officer finance director and deputy treasur
benefits coordinator Okay So people that weren't in for a raise you're not cutting them any further No Okay On page 10 I don't have any uh thing that needs to be addressed at this time Page 11 just has the tax
collector and that's all on that page Uh page 12 is complete Page 13 is complete Page 14 No 13 You have tax assessor 13 Top of the page
First line 13 Everybody okay with that that's going to get adjusted So that was the only one on that page Yep Page 14 Uh the only thing missing is director of law salary Anything else on that page that
you see i don't see anything else Page 15 is complete Uh page 16 uh Department of Engineering That's a stipen director Everybody okay with that
doesn't really matter if we're okay with it or not just close the book Take the whole budget for a vote I'm voting no for the budget And I'm sure Council Woman's voting no Also Mr Alman I have to say I'm very
disappointed in you You constantly are in favor of providing for our employees You constantly are protecting our employees our DPW the water the safety and whatnot I'm incredibly disappointed I expected that from the other two but not from you I I support
all our employees also on this side No you don't If you're cutting their salaries No So to achieve nothing Uh page 17 uh public affairs director stays the same Public affairs uh salary
and wages event coordinators 8160 8160 That'll get reduced right to the one and a half% That completes page 17 Page 18 is complete Uh page 19 planning department secretary
salary That's the only thing that's missing on that page Anything else anybody sees uh page 20 is complete Page 21 uh zoning officer Zoning officer and zoning code
enforcement official Those are the only two there Yeah the zoning board secretary the first the top one comes from page 20 carries over to 21 Very good Oh it's on the bottom of page 20 Okay So zoning board clerk Yep That's that's got to that's the first
line It doesn't have a heading It's on the page before it Page 22 uh uniform construction code official plumbing official and the second TA Those are the only things need to complete on page 22
Page 23 we have electrical official fire code official and head TA on the top of the page And that completes and then the plumbing building inspector And then we tabled the special projects Can we talk about the special
product Mr uh Darla we had tabled that on page 23 Sure Um as I informed council several months ago there was numerous uh purchase orders that we had uh determined were still open going back to
1999 A total of like $276,000 that was in escrow Um and it was encumbered in purchase orders before any of us current employees were being here So we didn't know about it Once we found out about it we closed out the purchase orders However it leaves
$276,000 of encumbered funds that um normal working employees we just don't have time to get So this would be a one-year thing It would be Yes I'm I feel confident we could get this done in one year But as you guys know just what's involved with one refund you know
a resolution a purchase order So there's going to be investigative time to put into it to see what it was about what someone is due back to them as well as hopefully cleaning up um some open permits in the in the building department that we can close up But the
main task right now is to eliminate the 276,000 Yes I mean it's kind of intertwined with each other So I wouldn't say that's the one thing is is is the estro It's open permits open invoices and everything And you know I think in the um what
I advise council is we would like to put that position in at $25 an hour and the salary ordinance and we would have vouchers completed because it's the work that would be expected after the employees um full-time hours but not to go above
40 So we wouldn't get ourselves into an overtime position Gotcha So it be between you know four to five hours a week or when when available So we can try and get this done and it it may not might be one person it might be two people Okay everybody okay with that so this is a uh internal resource You're
not looking to outside no Yes The the answer is yes internal No to going outside Any other discussion on this person so my only question would be you know do we have a clear ring fence around
the scope and do we know the process to resolve you know when do we know the project is done is the 27 you know is the 276 well I guess we'll start getting the resolutions right Mr the Carlo to close Yeah I mean if that's you know how
we get it done but part of it is is figuring out you know what we have to do We've already brought it to to the attention of our financial adviserss Um I've spoken to other administrators my you know my constituents within the county that have dealt with this similar problem So the beginning is to actually
come up with a plan I can certainly report to the to the council on a monthly basis or a quarterly basis as to how we're doing You know I have no problems with that Um do we know how many accounts there
are that need to be closed down mr F Um as you could tell there's Oh wow Yeah there's like 17 pages again going from 1999 So there was already some cross referencing we did to make sure they weren't o you know there was open billing or open invoicing on them We were able to determine there wasn't
That's when we closed out all the POS Um and again there's the total of $276,000 Um I could I don't know off the top of my head how many different escrow accounts but as you can imagine there's you know there was 899 purchase orders
Wow So um you know it's it's quite an undertaking that I really want to get ahead of and get done Um so you know again if it's acceptable to the council I can certainly give you quarterly reports starting off with you know report is to what what the extent of our
I don't want to call it a problem but the situation is okay with that one oh sure um prior to even your predecessor uh Mr Cavalo uh brought to the attention of
the council uh a number of uh I guess unpaid I don't know if it's unreconciled or unpaid uh POS uh to one of our vendors invoices I think you mean invoices yeah um is
that could that be part of this or is that so not so we made significant improvement on that open invoices with that with that engineer Okay there is still some going back Um you know some
I'm hoping to work with that engineer to you know whether it's an internal mechanism with him to either forgive or you know I can't think of the right words I'm looking for now but on his way to write it off Wasn't that the agreement Mr Mayor was it what i'm sorry Wasn't that the agreement when we made
that lump sum payment of theund that that was by township expenses there was a few township expenses since Mr Kavalo worked on it You guys they they were put on the bill list and that's probably when I brought it to your attention It wasn't very much money I think there may have been 40 four or five open township
responsibility invoices that total maybe 17 or $1,800 I went through it Okay It was it was definitely money that was deserving of the engineer Okay What's left we also cleared up old invoices um where money was due the engineer from
residents from escros There's still a chunk but none of those we that's what I was talking about cross referencing None of the open invoices from that engineer corresponded to any of the open purchase orders It seems accounting mechanism that was used back then They get in $500
for say a soil moving permit and they just open a PO for $500 whether there was going to be an invoice to it or not Um and Mr Caval is actually one of the people I checked with because I learned that he was initiated dealing with this So he cleaned up a tremendous amount We
came up and cleaned up the township responsibility which I said was like 17 $1,800 Cleaned up maybe a good 15 to 20% of the open invoices and we just need to continue with that Again it's working with the engineer and some in some regard replenishing um esro but like I
said some of these people may have moved out of town and don't even live in that address anymore So that's where it kind of brings in the open permits from the building department Well m Mr corporate can we tell our in my former life my CFO would
always remind me on December 31st that if I didn't submit any invoices before that date that anything I submitted at that is my fault and I wasn't getting paid So if we institute some kind of mechanism in our payment procedures
that tell our vendors like "Hey if you don't get me invoices because you're supposed to have them done every 30 days that's the prompt right we're supposed to have them done every 30 days if we're using escro accounts." So if they don't fill it make sure Okay I just want to make sure I'm understanding the question Are are you asking me if a vendor
doesn't give you an invoice by the end of the year that you wouldn't be able to pay them next year even it's strictly this is strictly for engineering and escrow accounts not for purchases from WBM Mason because I know sometimes those bills come later on But like when we
have an engineer that's billing our our residents escrow and he or she exceeds their escrow and then doesn't ask you for a request for more escrow then they're so I I I would have to look into that
Council President the Senate I I I really don't want to give a definite answer if it's not accurate Uh I mean I mean what I can say is this this is this whole escro issue excuse me issue is something that we're we're working on to
try to figure out what we can close out and mechanisms that are involved with that So um that's really all I have really have to say about that at this point Mr President I did um review the matter with Miss Bailey and at first she was there was belief that there may have
been six years She couldn't find anything So perhaps maybe it was a township ordinance that Oh it was her or it was her her madeup rule Yeah it was her her doing Yeah let's say you you know if the township passes one next month it wouldn't help us retrospectfully but we did have Miss Bailey look into it from a legal
standpoint is if you know hey if you didn't get paid within that amount of time is it for them So we we did try and hit this from all angles All right Everybody okay with the 5,000 for the special projects uh to close out all these escros
yes Yes All right That takes care of everything on page 23 Moving to 24 24 is complete Uh 25 is complete Uh 26 is complete
Uh 27 police admin assistant Um that would have to be adjusted and director of public safety is complete That is all that's on page 27 Sir do you mind if I uh interrupt you with a just why we're in the police
section sure Um council has already approved the line for special police officers If you remember the chief um was presenting a request for an increase of a dollar per hour for the class two
officer and another um um I guess this would be reflected in the salary ordinance So I'm not asking for an increase in the budget line You've already approved that just while we're here on the topic when I present the salary ordinance to council So it's for special officers right special officer of the salary or 193 line 193 Yes So it
would the salary ordinance would reflect an increase for class 2 officers to go from $25 to $26 an hour And then we would we would create a new line in the salary ordinance identifying class one officers And we request uh a salary per
hour of $22 So that way there's a separation between the responsibilities and duties and of the class one and class two It's not really anything in your budget line right now It just would be on the salary So I didn't want to forget that So again if that's acceptable to council I'll just reflect
that in the salary ordinances Everybody okay with that mhm That completes page 27 Page 28 is complete Page 29 is complete Page 30 is complete
Um confirm are we bringing the 90k back in or the 40 um which item is this Mr Alman the Oh I'm sorry It's page 31 The vehicle acquisition Well I was going to get that was my next
item Okay So you vehicle leasing Yeah So page 31 there is still one uh discussion to have The vehicle acquisition was moved to capital um for one police car but we tabled it for discussion So that
your question Mr Almond yes So you know based on the uh presentation that bond council um and uh the financial
advisors had presented Uh if we were to bond the vehicle acquisition for approximately 90K uh total
expense would come in at about 135K if we put it as capital if we capitalized it So uh because the bond ordinance is going to have a mixed it's a mixed use and what they say 20 years or Well this
would only be good for five right for cars Well no because this is part of the ban not the ban It's part of the bonding ordinance So all these ordinances that we're looking at all the capital
expenditures that we're looking at are going to be rolled into that I think it was like a 8.9 million I I don't think it had the uh schedule but uh that's going to be payable over 20 years The interest the cost the
cost to carry that is about 50% of principal Sir please say 135 Excuse me council president Yes Mr I'm sorry Um a couple meetings ago Councilman Caster had asked me to give me given my opinion on on whether we should keep it in capital I'd like to say a few things
about that if I could Um because I've been looking at this and to me in my opinion it makes much more sense to have it in capital for for a couple reasons First of all right now if if if you keep it in capital in terms of what you have
to raise to the current fund fund budget it's only 5% of that 180 which is 9,000 Now assuming the whole capital budget gets approved capital improvement fund will be approximately 122,000 out of which 9,000 would be for the super
police vehicles So it it makes more sense to do that because if you keep this in the current fund line for 90,000 you're you're you're you're not getting the basically you're saving $81,000 in terms of what you have to raise in the budget by keeping it in
capital as a starting point And there's a possibility that I don't know what account number it is but the the budget line for police uh vehicle repairs is probably gonna you're probably going to spend a little bit less money in that line as well because the police will be
getting the two vehicles that it seems like they've needed for the last few years So to me it makes much more sense to to get that through capital than current At at at a minimum you're going to be saving 81,000 in terms of what you're raising through the current fund budget and you're probably going to save
a little bit more because of that one repair lot So I should something to keep in mind as we're as we're going through this So I mean we certainly you know can do a further analysis I don't understand We
currently raise this money today uh for the past I don't know how many years we've raised this money through current so we're not we're not increasing the current expense
uh it's for lack of a better term steady state well well well first of all you're first of all for the 90 if you keep the 90,000 in the current fund like I said you're not getting the savings to the current fund but you're also only getting one vehicle doing it that way If you do it through capital you're going
to be getting two vehicles You're only putting down 5% which will be part of the capital improvement fund number when the capital budget finally gets approved So so it it makes a lot more sense to do it through capital and and you're able to because the only requirement is that
it has to have a lifespan of five years or more which would which that would fall into Personally I think it should have been done that way for you know even before now but it doesn't mean anything now But I'm saying in terms of what we're doing now in my opinion it makes more sense to do it through capital
because you're only putting 5% down And when and when we eventually do the ban that's going to be part of that was part of that whole calculation So and we're going to we're going to pay for this vehicle for 20 years right but but either way you're going to
have to go out for a ban uh to to to fund all these projects So if you if you keep it if you keep it in this current fund budget line it's it's $90,000 and it's for one vehicle You keep it in capital for 180 you're
getting two vehicles but you're only you're only raising 5% of that through the capital improvement fund line E either way you're going to have to get the vehicles you know and whether you get one or two but keeping in capital you're getting the two vehicles
So you're also going to be lowering the amount you're going to be spending in the police uh vehicle repair line So in my opinion it it it makes total sense to do it through capital Mike may I make a quick comment sure Uh
I just want you the numbers point out kind of you know part of the reason we did it If you see in 2023 we're able to get a vehicle for a little over 70 The price of things is going through the roof So we're up to 90 So again it's like how much strain do you want to put on your operating budget uh especially
yeartoyear You know some years the council decides to fund a car some years they decide not to That's a big thing to keep having up and down as far as an adjustable thing in your current budget And also part of the reason was because of the availability if the police can't
find a vehicle this year uh to you know it this money goes into surplus uh where as opposed to capital they have two or three or years to actually make the purchase So I just want to remind council of those couple things Thank you
Any further discussion on this Mr Roman no I mean uh is the council okay leaving it in capital well my motion would be to bring 90,000 back into this line So uh one vehicle 90K and current Would anybody like to
second that motion no I'd like to I'd like to keep in the capital at this point Would everybody else like to keep in capital this was Mr Sears [Applause] Tom Daisy
Capital is fine Capital's fine Capital is fine Okay So that completes page 31 Um are you doing one or two we got to look at it in capital We're going to do capital after with the department I believe I believe there was a motion
when we did capital for the ALPRs in one vehicle but was brought up but we'll review it when we get there Uh page 32 is complete Uh page 33 uh first aid organization contribution was tabled I guess that's why
our Mr Greco Mr Myers say here So do you want to leave this Mr Mayor or do you want them to come up and discuss it um I have nothing to lead with Uh so if it pleases the council I let them come up and
thank you This is about what the the paid do we need to have the paid service or not the um I know we have the the county right now is covering the the day shift and you guys are covering the night shift
and there was questions whether we needed to hire the third component of this which was brought up to us by the administration of having a paid component of it and we really wanted to talk to you gentlemen Yeah I don't think we ever went to a paid decision I thought we
were going to have the county helping us during the week during the day Well that was one of the one of the options that was brought up was that's at no cost They'll do it No no that's the the during the day But there was an option brought up to cover the weekends at a paid cost So do we need that and that's what we wanted to confirm Council
President if you don't mind I just I'm going to take this just the mayor was absent that night I understood it as um there was a question as to whether uh the recommendation made by administration of $40,000 um was going to be decreased by council
and Mr Olman had questions regarding their finances and Mr Casio had questions regarding their staffing and and I believe you as well their staffing and statistics So I I had I just wanted to make sure we were covered That was my Yeah So we have a shared service
agreement with Fergie County Um all in the mountain I'm sorry all of Pascal it's all right but we have uh no cost shared service currently referred to county ambulance so there is no funding for shared service for the ambulance
squad we're just talking about the contribution of amount of $40,000 proposed by administration so that's how I understood it gentlemen is that uh council had staffing um statistical data on responses and some financial questions for Well we put together I
went through the uh I have a chart here I can give eachbody Oh you have to hand out Thank you So I went back um to 2010 Oh wow So this is our Thank you cost This is what we have as income and
expenses up through 2023 2024 Thanks sir Tax account So this is right from the tax returns here Um we don't uh we're independent I guess you all know that the ambulance is independent
as far as money We pay for everything including the ambulance Um we buy everything we need for the ambulance all the repairs all the supplies Um and the the ambulance we have now the newest one you've seen is the 2018 We we
paid 264,000 for that Um so if you see on the chart um the numbers are up on the expense line I guess that's how the accountants do it but they spread that 264 in those numbers So you see so it's
advertised through those years I guess that's how they do it I mean I'm I I went into engineering not accounting You and I I don't know But anyway um just the you know for us the the the new ambulance is our that's well the our
main asset is the ambulance Without that we're nothing You know the building nothing So um I just the other day got a copy of the Riverdale just placed an order for a new ambulance and it's 360,000 and what did we pay for hours in
18 264 So $100,000 basically the same ambulance just newer Well there's they're the one they're ordering I have a copy of the contract here if you want No you don't need I don't need unless somebody else unpacks one Well it's the one they they're buying is an ebot It's like a cab Ours
is an F series for it So this is a little bit less expensive So I reached out to the owner of BCI who supplied our ambulance we have now I said "If we were to buy our ambulance now what would it cost?" He says "You know it's a lot of numbers in there but he says "You're between 375 and four and a quarter to
buy it So I said "Well suppose we bought a 2030 because all our Englishes were six seven years eight years We have a 2008 and 2018 so it's a 10 year." I said "If we went in 12 years a 2030." He said "Well it'll take you about 3 years to
get it." So he said "If you order the chassis in advance we can cut that back a little bit Takes two years to assemble it because of the assembly line and all kinds of things." So if we uh we're probably talking close to a half a million maybe less It's a lot of money
Um you know we we do a lot you know with the money we get and we raise we raise money and our funds are out every year We send out letters So on the calls this you know it's it's it was it was up in 2022 There's you know 200 approximately
200 less in 2023 Did we does that the total calls went down by 200 or do we have mutual aid and other stuff involved in there and no there's there's mutual aid that seems to be an anomaly That number is extremely low because usually we run around 4 to 450 Um so I'm saying
like if you look at 2022 to 493 is that a total call to that includes mutual that came to you that we responded to got That doesn't count if we were out of service and Rich Westwood came in Oh it doesn't account for that Does not count that The police would know those calls
Uh we don't keep track of that because we don't know that the call went out if we're out of service These are calls that we did It could be to another town or it could be here Just total calls that we go out on Um council president may I ask a question
sure M just want to make sure I'm reading this correct The income column includes the contribution from the town Yes Okay Yeah that's that's total income This is we give all our information to the account right and he goes through it all and this is what I took right off
our tax return We have a whole file every tax return going back as far as me okay retrieving And and my last question for now is um as you said and I I'm not an accountant either but I see since 2020 and probably for years before that
the contribution has stayed steady So it's fair to say with the cost of living going up you have already taken a decrease in real dollars for spending dollars Yes It was interesting The bottom line you look at the total over how many years this was we actually are
behind by 12,000 So you know we we get by year to year you know but we buy everything we need You know this stuff's expensive on the ambulance A set of tires for a car is what 600 700 is 3,000 for a set of tires You know any repairs
are 600 7,000 You know they it's like when you take your car into the dealer they love 2 three 400 Cars are in the thousands You know I don't know where they get these numbers but that's what it cost You know the fire department I'm sure their expenses are just as just as
high There's a this is the battery for the chest compression machine which you guys need to check in Two batteries We needed $750 just for two batteries Just for those
two batteries Yeah All the pages that we have 500 and and those get worn out they get dropped you know that each time we five six at a time new members come in
So it's like Rich is saying everything that we need we buy ourselves and then what whatever is left over for the uh without that we could not without the um 40,000
not be able we cover we cover all the things that go on in town I'll start at the top of my list We have two 5K runs we cover now Uh we cover town day We do the Christmas tree lighting We do safety day junior police academy the opening
day for little league We do the parade Every time we take that truck out it costs money because it sucks up diesel fuel And and that's another thing diesel you'll notice somewhere right around co diesel was almost $5 a gallon So we were running hundreds to fill it Um we cover
all the football games Um we cover the graduation ceremony We know where that went uh basketball events we cover the car show and we go to the fireworks display and everything So we go a lot of places and so it all cost money Everything we do you know cost us you
know and meantime we're trying to save up you know for the new ambulance I don't know where you know what it's going to cost us but Well thanks Any other questions ladies and gentlemen i'm okay with leaving Yes Okay I I have a question So you know
we were presented with an option by the administration to partner with Hillsdale I believe that was an option Um which would have uh had a negotiated expense
and they were going to cover if I recall uh Monday to Friday six to six Six to six you know right yeah They have two paid EMTs full-time at their headquarters Um the administration
uh did further research uh looking at other paid options as well as the county and you know the county is a nocost option to us Right Right That though doesn't negate why we initially
needed coverage And the reason why we needed coverage is uh because of a uh I guess uh decreasing membership as well as uh you know the uh amount of training that's required
for your members uh we found ourselves in the ability or with the inability to answer calls It's my understanding So I guess my question to you is um with the county there
uh you know where do we stand in your ability for when you're sort of open to respond to calls or do we still have a a coverage gap a a volunteer gap i don't
know how we would describe it Right now we have crew most of the time on Wednesdays half a day and Friday all day during the day Um the problem we have is that a lot of our new members are all in school So we're hoping to come home now We have a
lot of people in school are coming back We have a lot of EMTs in school So it's just us old guys And I've been on this the 30 my 31st year and you know and it's really it's a time commitment um when when Bergen County came along
and and offered uh you know their services they have sectors now It all comes out of MCOM Are you familiar with MCOM what that MCOM is but the police the police if they can't get a volunteer um rig they'll call my and my has rigs
stationed in sectors and we're one of those sectors That's where the Bergen County brings They all get dispatched by MCOM The hospital ambulances gets dispatched by them their communication center is in hack They show all the ambulances on GPS They know where they
are So the opportunity came along where they said "Listen we have some new county uh crews and you know do you have any place we could like park you've seen them around I mean they're like gypsies They're they're here they're there they're in the parking lot they're in
food town they're in because they have no place to go They sit in the truck with the engine running So it's a win-win for us because we have a bay that we're not using What better place to have them parked but in our bay in our town So if the police get a call and
we're available they'll give it to us first But if they get a second call the MCOM rig is right in our building You can't get much better service than that So it's it's it's a it's a win-win There's no cost to us except you know they're going to be in the building you
know when they need And the other thing is when you know they sit in these trucks they have to keep the engine running especially in the winter because we had they carry uh epipens they cover carry narcan and other things in there that have to be kept for temperature
control So the ambulance will freeze up So if you get a day where it's 15 degrees for the high to back that truck into a heated garage and shut it down because it's good for right when they get a call they're ready to go Well plus the crews you know yeah they're not freezing out They're not sitting in a
truck either all day There's no bathroom you know They come in a few times They said "You guys want to use the bathroom?" They like jumped the chance and because they they don't have any place to go They're like lost kind of So that's what that's why the county reached out They reached out through the EDA to ask any ambulance do you have any
areas where these guys could park these rigs and so they're in the back They're in the side bay No we're going to we're going to take our 50th anniversary rig the old rig and put that in the back and then have them in the front Have them right in the front So there So we're working on some details now to figure
out how to get them in with maybe a keypad or something just for security of the building And they're going to put up a camera inside So there's When do we think that'll happen soon or Well I don't know I think I think it's ordered The camera is ordered but that'll give us a forensic record of what went on
there in case something happens Yeah In case something Yeah Go back and look at it So um that's where we stand Do you do you anticipate your expenses to go down
with you know this type of support well we've been we've been in this mode all along because if another crew if another town covers a call there's it's not like a unit price like you save money A lot of this cost is just to exist you know
you have to buy stuff and you have to buy supplies and we buy we pay for everything and it's expensive for all of the uh all the supplies come out of V Ralph you know the bag valve masks all disposable oxygen uh tires like I said
before tires repairs uh diesel fuel is you know the other thing is co you'll notice in somewhere around 20 when was CO 2020 um our expenses went And our income went up too because the
fund drive for that year People felt very generous that year There weren't that many of us who stayed riding through CO But um the our fund drive was exceptionally high that year because people like they wanted to do something
But we paid a fortune for gloves for N95 masks If you recall you couldn't get masks You couldn't get all that stuff So we we struggled with that hand sanitizer the sanitizer you know all of that stuff And the other thing is we we also uh in 2019 well we got the rig in 2018 In 2019
we decided to keep the old ambulance We had never done that before Why we decided that I don't know but I was the one who kind of pushed it We spent I think like $15,000 to have it refurbished top to bottom The engine needed work Then CO came along That
became our CO truck So it was a perfect It worked out It worked out because you know we didn't know nobody knew what CO was doing So we would get that rig We'd send out the old truck for the CO patients You know the police would dispatch it They would they wouldn't say
we have a CO call because people would freak out So they just said 4609 that was a CO When they dispatch that we knew it was a CO call We take the old truck When we come back we disinfect the truck and the new one was always ready if we had a regular call you know heart attack
or something So so that's all in here Anything else Mr Rob um you you'd mentioned uh a lot of your newer volunteers are in school they go away for the school
year Is it is in the short term that a sustainable volunteer model well right now I'm just looking at my phone because I took a picture On our whiteboard in the garage I have our all our students away at college where they're going to college
what they're taking just to give them a little time on the board And we have four EMT We have four college students We have two high school students who are going to start EMT school uh this month I think or next month It's already March
No tomorrow's April 1 Um and we just got applications for I think three or four more that are going to offer EMR training So all of a sudden um picking it up a little We pick it up and I and I I want to give credit I guess to uh to Clayton Kenny Um he handles that sign
because I kept pushing him Can you give us that sign back and we had it out there if you noticed looking for all of a sudden we have this response coming People are coming out of the woodwork more or less We just hope we can keep them That's the problem we always have because the kids go to school they become EMTs they graduate from college
but then they can't afford to stay in town because everything's expensive So they leave and all us old people are still here trying to keep us going But um we're hopeful You know some of them are are
are very uh anxious to get rid that are starting in the EMT class I think it's next month They've been on have every they're EMRs and every time they're on the schedule they've been on
No fans They were always there and they stay at the building so that they can get to the they'll be available right away Oh wow Yeah So they're really ho about it They're both high school juniors High school juniors And they're going to go for ENT school We have a lot
of college students one one electrical engineer a couple one of them was up in New Hampshire someplace They're all over the place but they're all hoping they come back in the next They'll come back to work usually in the middle of May They get out and they'll come back We had to look at uh EMTs now that started
out as EMRs and became EMTs One is right now is a nurse So oh nurse at Valley at Valley Yeah So it's plus val Larry's a nurse also Oh yeah So
to to answer your question the the the students will come back That should make us more available during the week during the day because we push them to get on the schedule and the weekends also you know weekends used to be the ones everybody wanted but it's tough getting them to come out of their house And
those are covered primarily by uh sh the nice part of it is actually if you remember our old building over here it was really deplorable condition It was getting older and older But but with the new building and we have new computers and they're they're anxious to come there and you know they they don't mind
being there and they do their homework in the back We have nice computers to work on So it's nice atmosphere I don't know if you guys have you been to the new you've been there I've been there Yeah Been there So we have everything in there that we need And uh have you ever seen the the
uh the uh mutual aid screen where the yes they dispatch from So you know we have that up on the wall too It keeps flashing our schedule and the screen so we know who's available when And uh that's where the the uh Bergen County rigs will be in there with us So it
should work out for us Good It's definitely a win You know you people come by they see the ambulances there they know somebody's going to respond and they'll be there quickly Anything else Melvin anybody else on the case thank you for your time gentlemen I'm okay with leaving it the way it is
Anybody else have any comments no I'm okay with the 40 You need us to no we didn't No I don't think we need them for anything else right thank you gentlemen Well that was on the top of page 33 uh
fire prevention salary and wages Uh while we're there I'll make a motion to put the salaries back to 2% if anybody will second that I'll second it Councilman Casio no Councilman Sears yes
Councilman Elman no Councilwoman BZ Yes Council President the Senate Yes That completes everything on page 33 Council President I just want to confirm first aid contribution is 40,000 40,000
We we we we had a table and it remained at 40 Thank you Page uh 34 Uh the first thing we have is fire department director That stays the same Uh the top of the page is from the other page Just got to see what the the
heading is Uh was that is that a control line the top of page 34 Is that the control line or is that an item yes Yes Control Just a control line Okay Page Yep So page 34 is complete Page 35 is complete Page 36 is
complete Page 37 is complete Page 38 prosecutor's office Uh nothing's needed Nothing for there Uh bottom of the page DPW permanent employees not superintendent That'll get adjusted based on the
collective bargaining agreement Correct Uh yeah there's a there's a little bit more to it Um if council wanted to go through it Yes please Okay Um I provided council I think last meeting for DPW salaries If you still have the salary
charts I had given you um it just talked about what what is needed throughout the year um to comply with the the CNA the CBA um for base salary and then there's a charge for the safety
training So together um that brought it to 712,000 for their base salary an additional 50,000 for the safety education steps How did we come up with that Mr Carl so if you go to the safety
education steps um Excel spreadsheet it says safety education steps 2025 Is that one of the tabs uh no It was given to you I think Sue in one of the packets It should look like this in last week's package or
so we budget for I don't want to say the worst or the best case scenario We do it based on how quickly uh they can get their training done So if you see the first individual up at the top of the uh the salary chart you have how many years
he's completed You have his safety education steps There's three safety education steps Education step one um you you can you can achieve that once you have two years completed Safety step two once you have four years completed
Safety step three um once you have six years completed So you see that column safety education steps as 1125 We then have the dollar per hour that's associated with that safety step So for safety education step one they
complete 20 hours of training They get additional hour per base salary pay which also affects overtime So we have to consider that as well For safety education step two it's $2 And for safety education three after they
complete 60 hours of training um they get three hours more Who's who's auditing this uh this training myself and my administrative assistant So we have an internal like tracking log We come up with a uh safety education plan
for the DPW in conjunction with the DPW superintendent We approve the training before that the uh employees take it to asssure that it it coincides um with our with our object with our
objectives and once it is approved we complete a personnel action form and they get to raise They do it incrementally So a lot of times they can get that that first step uh very quickly and then they work towards their second and third step
So those steps cost a total of $50,440 for the year So that's how I come up with that amount And this is in their collecting bargaining agreement Yes And then if you look at their base salary chart that's where I come up with the totals
there So the total is 712 once you take into consideration what their salary increases will be throughout the year So at the beginning of each year they're getting a contract step On their anniversary date they're getting a promotion step from Gman to
Hman to you know F E D C I'm talented See that um to B all the way up to A So as you see as of one we have one two three four five Amen as of their anniversary dates you
know we'll finish the year with six Amen which is top pay two B men and an Emen Eman once you become an A you don't get any more steps correct no you just get whatever the uh contractual step is So if it's say it's a 2.5 every year or
2.75 that's where the top that's all you would get That's all you get plus the safety incentive and then overtime of course but their base salary is based once they get the aan only on what those salary increases would be for the contract
So the the other additional information to uh to discuss with the council is there is two employees um that are have expressed their interest in retiring
this year based on their accumulated leave that would put them at putting in their leave at the beginning of leave season So what administration is requesting of of council is to approve the expense if it's needed They may not
retire We're we're strongly believing that both of them will These are a these are both amen Yes Um you know well above what what is needed to retire you know say it's 25 years or well above that What we would like to do is hire the
replacement obviously at the bottom I think it's H man is the lowest in September So there's enough time to train them over two months to replace the two once they go on leave at the beginning of the leaf season So we feel so for them to leave at that time When would their papers have to be in to to
um for you to know whether we need to hire these in September or not i don't know specifically I did talk to one of the gentlemen if there was a you know a requirement similar to that of the police department Um you know again the answer I got was I believe there is I didn't get a definitive There isn't a
definitive or there is a defective I believe they're probably you know not to call upon I'm sorry Go ahead Three or four months Three or four months And that that's for police or that's per PFRS I think it's going to be both So if you want to retire say in November you're quote
unquote pushing that button sometime four months earlier So we would have to probably know if they were going to That's what I'm saying So September May or June Oh they'll leave in September Yeah Yeah So obviously we wouldn't hire them but I'm asking kindly
for the council to give us that flexibility which is only $16,000 So um the most junior person brought in an Hman would be about um $4,000 per month for the four months
Yeah No actually it's less than Let me get Let me get to the notes Okay Well that's what you got in there You got 32 for two men So yes 32 at this So that's for that Yes So 4,000 a month for four months times 10 But so that's where the total of 794 request comes from
Any further questions ladies and gentlemen so it's 712 plus 50 50 is 762 plus 32 for the two new people for four months
at $4,000 a month per person Yes And but you wouldn't use that if they don't retire Of course not No Do we not save anything on the back end when the two uh motion well no because they'll have to be paid to the end of
the year because they have accumulated leave So again I don't like to use the word worst case scenario but they could use their time sporadically or they could save it up But isn't the max accumulated leave they can get 15,000 i looked at their their individual time
approval buckets and that's what I planned for So if they didn't take any time both of them could begin taking time off paid time off but for a maximum of 15K right no no no That's that's um that's a different concept They would get they wouldn't get paid out for the
vacation They'd have to use it So their vacation they'd have to use So I'd have to account for them getting paid their full salary for the whole year They they are entitled to a sick time payout Um if you remember we did not fund the sick
payout line We You know since I've been here we've commonly well we've always put $1,000 I looked at the other seven members and nobody was eligible to fit the requirements to get any type of $6 You have to Except for these two So like
you have to have a certain amount in your bucket before you could sell it back to the township So the only two that fit that bill were the two gentlemen that are potentially going to retire They are um they but aren't they capped at 15k it no it's less than that
I it's a whole formula It's like you know once you have this amount you can you can sell back this amount The amount we will or the money we will use to fund their payouts is in our trust fund for accumulated leave Again it was a couple months since I put those numbers together but if they don't pull out sick
at all this year based on the amount they have I think the two of them together was going to be less than $20,000 And we have about between I think again don't quote me but I think about 75,000 in that accumulated leave So that's where the money's coming from to pay them their sick time buyout I
don't like saying it but that's what they're entitled to No they're not entitled to a vacation They'd have to use their their time Yeah Any other discussion on this line item ladies and gentlemen mr Alman you good yes Top of top of page
39 we have overtime for the DBW 45,000 requested 45,000 recommended Everybody okay with that it's about 5,000 less than what they used last year in total Everybody okay dpw Superintendent Um sir if you don't mind
me I'm just going to have the same conversation I did with uh regarding the police you've already um approved the seasonal workers amount for the 112,000 I just asked when I present the salary ordinance to the council Last year there was a range of 17 to 22 I asked that the
council give us the flexibility of going from 17 to 23 So the gentlemen that have been here a couple years they have additional like um experience and expertise We'd like the flexibility of going up to give them $23 But we're not changing the line We are not changing the line I'm just I don't want you to
think there was any surprises on the salary work Okay everybody okay with that mhm Thank you And then uh I guess the only other thing why the police were here would be the crossing guards but that falls within the 2% too So the crossing guards in 24 had a range of
$18.71 to $20.50 We're asking that range to be $19 to $21 So on the low end it's a increase of 29 You just want to round them to even numbers That makes sense Yes Yeah So again you've already approved Yes So we're not changing the line We're just
changing the the U Yes So again I just when you guys see it guys and girls see it it's not a surprise So if that's acceptable you'll see the 19 to 21 So page 39 is complete Everybody okay with
that uh page 40 uh director is okay at 1800 That's the only thing that was missing from that Page 41 is complete Page 42 is complete Page 43 is
complete Uh page 44 we have equipment store DVW equipment storage rental was tabled Uh cuz you wanted to add stuff that was remain the same What's that it can remain the same So we're leaving at 32464 Yes
So the recommended and the and the uh is going to remain as presented Everybody okay with that we're leaving at 32464 Mr Yes Right Page 45 is complete Uh page 46
[Music] Um health registar Everybody okay with that director is a stipent part-time secretary is a 2% That completes page
46 Uh page 47 uh is complete Page 48 uh recreation superintendent We only have the that line remaining which will be 2% right Yep Uh page 49 uh recreation team
program Is this for the uh reimbursement for T- night yeah we have the the uh sh I don't know if you want to call a shared shared service agreement with Westwood where we pay 40% of the program they pay 60% Okay Recreation director is a stipened Uh we
have recreation copier expense 3,000 requested 3,000 recommended Are we okay with that yeah it'll be fine Everybody okay with that mhm That completes 49 Uh page 50 Uh recreation lacrosse venue and
lights is no there's no line there I'm sorry Recreation miscellaneous 2,000 requested 2,000 recommended Uh snap at 575 unanticipated expense What is that Mr Uh you know any type of training that might come for uh our superintendent in
there I'm sorry could you speak up that might be um required for that for our superintendent of recreation attendance at the league it also gives me a buffer if the um team program goes over It's very difficult to get um you know again
I there are partners in Westwood but trying to get um an anticipated salary from them as what they're going to pay 13 counselors is very difficult So I'm hoping the 3500 So that will help us have a buffer if that goes over and if
there's any overage in the um the copier expense um plus any anticipated expenses So I I know you see 605 used I would kindly request if we could please keep it at 2,000 to give me a buffer for any recreational needs As you could tell they had he there's no lines there you
know very minimal amount of lines No eliminating them all Yep Yeah Anybody okay with that thank you Uh bottom page 51 Uh recreation online registration site Is this for community pass yes And that's a quote that went up $200
That completes page 51 Page 52 we have uh Golden Seniors uh 22500 requested 22500 recommended Any discussion are we okay with that
uh recreation senior exercise program 3200 requested 3200 recommended Is everybody okay with that yes So can I'm sorry Michael Can we just back up to [Music]
um I'm sorry Golden Seniors Yes 30 371000 The Yep activities 225 So I guess my question is
we cut a check to fund them or do we pay direct expense because it looks like we've just made two large uh contributions to them So yes we do it um very similar to the ambulance squad um
organizationally and fiscally and purchase wise It was a lot um more organized for us to do it as a contribution rather than us managing the expenses Are they a legal entity yes we looked into all this Yeah Before we started
doing it last year or did we started in 23 or I forget if it was I think last year might have been the first year but not 100% That way if they overexpend you know it's on them We were you know again as you can imagine it's
one side wasn't telling the other we were missing out on expenses and incumbring money which is you know is the law We have to have an encumbrance system So you know it it was extremely well It was also putting a lot on our seniors I think the one person who used
to do the POS um left the organization cuz they left the area I believe and as any one of us knows in municipal government you know POS can be time consuming and like that and it was just take the burden off of them also anything else Mr comment on that no Uh
senior exercise program Everything's good with that That completes page 52 Page 53 Uh park Oh I'm sorry Oh I'm sorry There's two lines I'm sorry Two lines at the bottom Parks building maintenance 10,000 requested 10,000 recommended
Is there any way we can cut that a little bit Mr Carlo i seems to be running I really frequently say please don't uh especially the park field and maintenance expenses Um Mr uh Waller and
I today as we did our tour around town had a discussion that we're anticipating spending almost $10,000 just to replenish what's required for mulch refreshment at three out of the four um parks In addition to as you know we uh
the one company that was cleaning our our bathrooms in 23 went out of business and the expense um increased in 24 And you know I don't want to say the word deterioration of our fields because they're very good But you know last year
towards the end of the year I allowed the over encumbrance of Parksfield maintenance because we had a light year on the building maintenance So we didn't over encumber the control but we did some nice work to the fields I think it had to do with maybe the dugouts and and the the benches and things like that So
there's again there's no telling what could happen to the buildings at those locations You you Yeah just like the bathroom situation Saturday morning stuff like that happens that we don't know about right so and you know plumbers are expensive and things like that So I do kindly request you to keep
it keep everybody okay with that yep Uh parks uh field maintenance expenses 60,000 requested 16,000 recommended Everybody good with that uh didn't we just invest like a ton
of money in the parks in the fields yes That's not going to I mean I understand we have to keep it up because then the expenditure is wasted If anything I would want to spend more on the maintenance to guarantee that
those improvements stay as long as possible Those were I mean you probably know but they were capital expenses for the infield rehab and then the brought the bringing in of new um what's it called clay Yes The sprinkler you know we had
the installed sprinkler system on one field in memorial and you know we helped it helped us rele you know there's still the upkeep maintenance So the 60,000 wasn't to achieve those improvements Capital was This is to maintain
everything That completes page 52 Page 53 uh portable bathrooms 5,000 requested 5,000 recommended We okay with that uh field striping 6200 requested 6200 uh
recommended Uh library contribution due 807373 807373 This is state provided amount Mr Corper This meets our state mandatory payment We owe them based on our budget Yes Yes This this is statuto because
it's a big jump It's a big jump Yeah it is No that means something Okay Uh that completes page 53 Uh page 54 Uh holiday celebration and remembrances 9,000 requested 9,000
recommended Everybody okay with that town day 10,000 requested 10,000 recommended yeah Can we just go back real quick um so that 9,000 from last year uh are we going to have a repeat on the
4,000 of the the installation of the bracket excuse me the installation of the brackets and I guess uh at least the initial hanging of the banners I I would say I hope not You know I'm
hoping they will last longer than that Can you show them tell me what page you're on the audit 209 I mean I know what you're talking about anyway but I just want to look at it I mean the direct answer is no But having that money in the line gives us
flexibility towards the purchase of um other materials that would be I'm sorry or other merchandise or equipment to support holiday celebrations and remembrances So do we anticipate buying
anything i would propose cutting that by I make a motion to bring the 9,000 down to uh 7500 a reduction of 1,500 So you want to see it lowered to 7500
that's the motion Anybody accept that i guess we're going to leave it the way it is Nobody second it Mr All right moving down to town date 10,000 requested 10,000 recommended I really have any comments or
just um based on the balance in the trust Uh do we can we look on the revenue
side uh if we could fund that through depletion of the trust as opposed to you on page 210 no it doesn't I mean it really doesn't matter which page How much is in the
trust that's why I can't find uh I don't know what K the celebration it as of 18 it was 41K Page four of the trust audit trail trust I don't know for
the trail trust I mean if 10k is the expense it's the expense but you know can we bring money out of the trust uh for that
$20,91 Yeah Or reduce that and push it against the trust So how would that work Mr Dlo you would just I mean whatever you would want us to use So say you didn't fund that line
at all We just have to use the trust fund for the money we would need towards town day So it would not need to be on the revenue side The the trust has a dedication a rider So we can utilize funds directly from it
Do we know what legacy books are yeah that's a recycling of books The the green bin outside it's a it's in Yeah I just didn't know what it what it what it came from Donations Y the green one outside right
here in the Okay Any any changes on town day do we want to use the the trust up a little bit i think I would be okay with that We use half Could we make a 5,000 deduction and use 5,000 out of the trust this way we're not totally depleted Mr
Almond would you be okay with that i'm good with that We'll take 5K out and put 5K out of the trust Everybody okay with that yes Thank you ladies and gentlemen So you can have a motion Yeah I'll make a motion to reduce it by 5K and use the trust for the other 5K We second
Dr Mr Sears I just roll Councilman Cassio yes Councilman Sears yes Councilman Omen yes Council BZ yes Council President yes Uh ESD electricity 22,000 requested 22,000
recommended Is that still correct Mr yeah If everybody got my email memo if you leave uh we should be good because anticipated increase shouldn't come till June Okay You know obviously I can't promise but I'm hoping that the 22 will be fine Um
electricity street lights traffic control uh rename line to combine electricity and street lights and traffic controls No increase requested Um so then in my memo I just I'm asking for that to go uh 112 to 117 So if you give me a $5,000
increase we should be good um PSCG you know again I couldn't get a promise from them but they believe the street lights and traffic controls um there's not going to be an increase which does make sense because they're unmetered charges It's like we get
charged per device So it does make sense with being told that but it's like the building electricity that's expected to go up to 20% So again if I took the whole year added 20% then cut it in half if uh if you give us 5,000 I'm I'm
hoping that 117 should be sufficient Everybody okay with that yep Mr Alman you had a question yeah I I my apologies Mr Doro but I didn't I didn't follow that fast enough
So So are you good with the Do you see where we're combining so it's you know we're not it looks like it went from 44,000 to 112 but we zeroed out the request of 68,000 in street lights and traffic controls So after I gave you the
budget PS&G came out well I think with all the electric companies came out with an anticipated 20% increase in energy cost not for natural gas just for electricity because they told me natural gas is not supposed to go That is correct So we discussed you know
building energy and then energy for street lights and traffic controls Our representative um told me that she does not believe there's going to be an increase in the cost to provide energy to street lights and traffic controls
which makes sense with what I know from reviewing the bills We get charged like per device not necessarily for the energy use So like say a street light is $15 right it's never going to be like 13 because the lights were on less or 18 seems like it's so it made sense So then
we're just going back up to the energy um the building energy So I based that increase only off the 68,000 So your new request is for 117 correct My new request is for 117
We have a new request for 117 request and then I and just and just I'm sorry I did a little note to it just just so again everything makes sense when I gave you this report on February 11th the actual was $44,080 bills came in for 24 after that
we actually used 46274 so when I did my 20% I did it based on the 46274 which came to about 10 grand but again it's only about half a So I just did simple math and cut it in half So that's why I'm asking for an
increase in 5,000 to cover the anticipating and you know because it's just simple math because as you know it's they're they're raising the the price when the air conditioners are going to be full blast in July and August So you know again it's kind of guess work that the 5,000 will be enough
Everybody okay with the 117 for 003 yep Moving on down the page Can I get a roll call uh looks a new request and a new recommend from the uh administrative offices telephone 43 requested 43 recommended Okay And we can reduce that sir Oh this is the new
agreement you got with the new company Yes So again there's they're see company So we're got trying to get the existing done to do whatever you have to do so our new one can on board So we have a we're doing it a little bit
at a time So by the time this goes into effect we we feel that um we'll be able to satisfy our needs with a reduction of 7,000 Um overall next year we're hoping for a reduction of about a,000 a month So 36,000 is the new request That's what we need for this year because we'll
we'll still need a few months say four or five months for the full price of what we were paying the previous slashcurren company So minus 9K to 36 excuse me 7K Yeah 7K down to 36,000 36,000 Okay Everybody okay with that yep
Uh water 18,000 requested 18,000 recommended Is that okay everybody are we expecting an increase for water also well let me just look at my notes because we did a transfer and again I don't know why it's not reflecting on
the report but we actually used in 24 we did a transfer of $3,600 So we actually used $18,900 So this is uh not a true audit right there Yeah it's not true true expense amount That's why I had a note we actually well you guys know we did a transfer but you probably forgot but
sometime in December we did the transfer for 3600 So we actually used a total of 18,929 Again I think a lot of it was a drought Hopefully there's not a drought So gambling that 18,000 but again if we need some you know we'll figure the
control line will help Plus the well sorry the well was busted at Memorial Memorial Now it's working So 18,000 should be good So uh page 56 uh emergency services building gas 8,000 requested 8,000 recommended Everybody good with that
town hall gas natural 10,000 requested 10,000 recommended May I ask a question please sure U Mr D Carlo will this will this cover us for the supposed 20% increase that's coming from what I
understand it was just on electricity on gas Okay Yeah your home your home There's two there's two crazy phenomenon going on At the highest build month you're going to get hit with a 20% increase but they're also going to go to an incomebased
that's scale of what you pay for electricity based on your state income tax return Welcome to New Jersey Only you can't make it up So everybody okay with the eight and 10 for the two buildings y uh sanitary sewer fees BCUA
Exact bill That's the exact bill Everybody okay with that uh page 57 is complete Oh no I'm sorry I'm sorry Uh sanitary sewers other than BCUA 65,000 requested
65,000 recommended Is this because we're missing the Hillsdale bill no we're missing the Pamis bill and that's expected to be 26,000 At least that's what it was in 24 So we paid uh Ridgewood is is 35,600 Hillsdale is 2100 and then Pamis is 26,000 and that's
what's missing in the 2024 total missing Yeah So I want to make sure you knew that so you didn't think you know that's fine Appreciate that Is um none of the not coming online obviously this year I think that's the hold of the
mayor like storm water No storm not sanitary storm Yeah And what about uh the one around on the other one on Vandenberg that's going to go into I don't know that I don't know that plan Yeah I mean I wouldn't think it's going
to come online this year If it doesn't it might be one month So pretty I don't know if it's going to BCUA or one of the other towns I don't recall hand Okay Uh page 57 is complete Okay
With 65 Yes That completes page 57 Page 58 uh statutory expense PERS two Oh hold on Is that is that the top line a uh control line yes Yes Yep So we have PERS
249475 That's the bill right Mr Carlin um it's the anticipated based on what everybody's increases this year right so their their salaries So that but that's uh civilians DCP pension 135 requested 135
recommended Is that just uh again just what you think it's going to be that's our that's our part-time um I think it's the the deferred comp retirement plan and again that's that's based on um the employees and there there's one so I don't want to highlight that person but
the person they replaced was not eligible for DCP and the person we replaced with is So that's that's what's accounting for that increase And normally um the last couple years I've been here we've had to do transfers and we didn't last year so we were pretty
good Okay So 135 you know seems like it'll be appropriate FICA Social Security and Medicare 290,000 requested 290 recommended Are we expecting it to go way higher than So again you know you know that's Medicare and Social Security
So again it was a projection based on what the contractual employees are and and what was anticipated at the 2% increase So the 290 is appropriate uh state expenditures P PFRS uh 1
million84143 requested the same recommended that's the again just a yeah I don't like telling you it's a bill but like that's you know pretty accurate yeah it's statuto page 58 excuse me 59
uh municipal alliance match uh non-share is $11,000 uh requested increase due to reduction in municipal alliance coord coordinator salary line Uh what is that Mr D Carlo yeah if you remember that was a a net number between the salary line and this
line I think we did save a few bucks between the two but uh the the state municipal alliance program the paperwork has gotten out of control on it And so what the coordinator asked is she would take a lower salary if we would make up what we were getting from the state
municipal alliance So it the two numbers netted out to less I think Mark a little less Uh but it saves a whole lot of paperwork which is why she was willing to take less of a salary to make it up So there's so much paperwork that she the individual would rather take a
reduction in salary than complete the paperwork Mhm It's gotten that bad It's so bad That's not just her We've checked with others also It's not just her saying that No a lot of people because we checked with other coordinators and they said the same
thing Wow Everybody okay with that uh page 16 Um Bergen County Open Space Park Improvements Uh this is a new line right Mr Carlo yeah it's and it's uh accounted for on the revenue side So it's you know
essentially a wash Okay Uh recycling tonnage grant is on the wash right yep That's on the revenue side That takes care of page 60 Uh page 61 clean communities uh cap wash That's another W right yes
sir Bergen County GI Jeff Uh that's another wash Okay Uh that takes care of 61 62 municipal court shared services Uh 117500 shared service agreement with
Saddle River Everybody okay with this you got to be Yep It's contractual Page 63 is completely empty Page 64 municipal court Uh no there's nothing there You're going to skip the capital improvement fund for
now We're going to skip cap improvement fund Yeah because you have to you know you got to talk about your uh the reserve for ambulance 10,000 requested 10,000 recommended Everybody okay with that uh principal capex Uh that's an exact number That's an exact payment Yes sir
1,145,000 Um same thing same capex of 551700 That completes page 65 Uh page 66 has reserved for uncollected taxes 635,000 requested
635,000 recommended Mr Corkran what was our actual do you by any chance know what uh we did we use any of this last year well basically this is a reserve that you set up Yeah Uh just in the event that the tax rate
does go down remember two years ago we lowered it 80,000 and uh based on the information based on our tax rates and everything like that It it it in my opinion we we we should not lower it anymore because uh if if you run into something
unexpected you're going to have to get that from from another account So um so in my opinion in my opinion we we should keep it at 635 Yeah sir We also got an opinion from our um financial adviser of not not to take
it down any further That came from Lurch Yes sir Okay Everybody okay with that uh page 67 Uh there's nothing there You're done And we are complete ladies and gentlemen
We got to go to capital improvement fund for the police So we'll go to capital budget Um 2025 Uh gentlemen would you like to come up at the table i only have one question I
have one question So we I'll wait till you get here We received a email of the council on the dis about the ALPR being installed in town and it's an invasion of privacy
and the the the reason we want the ALPR is for uh not for invading anybody's privacy It's to protect the township residents from vehicles that we can track them that are either involved in criminal activity or activity that they
committed somewhere else where we can catch them here because that ALPR camera will say "Hey this car isn't involved in Coramus and now it's in township and you guys will be able to tell Paramis hey it just hit our ALPR." There is no reason that we would be tracking township
residents Look we would be tracking them if they did something criminal that we should tell them But otherwise this is not Big Brother is not watching us you know to because they were very upset that we we were installing the ALPR in town And I just wanted to get I I know
you presented it already Chief but just if you could just coail on my stuff and just add a exactly what what's going on Sure I can confirm the system operates 24/7 and it does log all the plates that it is able to read However it doesn't run those plates without cause We have
to go back and manually put a plate in and and would have to ask for the registration and we would need cause for that So we we cannot but if said hey we're chasing uh NJX61T I'm making I think that might be my new license It acts very consistent
with what you just described Yes that is correct The chief version Yeah I'm just follow So it would you would then say "Hey Mr cameras Did NJX61T go through any of our intersections correct And that would be the only time you used it Or if we had a burglary in town and
somebody says "Hey there was a suspicious car parked with this license plate." So you would run it through the ALPR But you would have to have a reason Exactly You can't just arbitrarily say "You know what i want to know where the chief is today and run his plate." Like there's no reason for that It's only
That's correct There are extreme parameters with regard to this use set up by the state and monitored by the county for exactly that Yeah go ahead No no no I mean I said one of your questions is it's based also on time frame Like if there was something now you have a a coordinated time frame
between this and that one Now you narrow your search down within that area Correct That is correct It's not to look at Mr Jones to come home and open up his trunk and take out a bunch of bag of garbage It's not used for that That is correct Additionally just to add two
officers will be trained and certified and are responsible for compliance with exactly what you're asking about And this is a this is like a this is like an attorney general violation if they abuse the system I want to just I just want to put everything on the record The resident was very you know upset about
us violating you know people's rights in town by putting these up And I I'm all for it if it's going to stop crime And you know we all know you know I remember when I moved here in ' 97 they used to always tell us "Hey if you see a parked car along the parkway when you're going through the toll plaza call the town
police department because they're probably robbing somebody up on the hill and running back down to their parked car on the shoulder." So it was a long time ago but that was a long time ago Yeah But but yes Yeah No we're we're here to to uphold people's rights not to violate them And and the parameters that are in place are extremely stringent
with regard to that The only time it is audited also on a regular basis would be audited Correct for access Correct Thank you I appreciate that Do you do you know how long they retain the information uh the county is responsible for for the retention We're piggybacking off the
county system I don't but I can find out So do we have aside from the cameras do we have any hardware here at town hall no we will not It's all it's web- based Our access would be to the county through a web- based application So we'd
have Okay So the only thing we're installing is the physical camera and then that's being shot right to the county and only the coordinators can access that The two coordinators the two the two Okay Any other questions on the ALPRs i just
wanted to put get that one out there because I know we all received that email Now I can respond accordingly now that it's on record You know what what the chief and the rest of the gang said Um so we have that Uh we have the
uh the 35,000 for 25 new BWC's Those are the body warn cameras right Mike did you implicitly take a vote on that and you're good with Sorry Everybody okay with I guess I guess check it off or not yeah So I'm sorry I'm sorry Mr Sears and I I have a motion and a second for one new
car and the ALPR is what we agreed to the last meeting Yes That's what you had right that was the agreement So the agreement we had at the last meeting Mr was 90,000 for one new Tahoe and the ALPRS at this time Okay thank you So again if everybody that's what I have in my book I just want to make sure
everybody's okay with that Um so we have the 35,000 for the 25 new body uh worn cameras uh plus one new car camera Is everybody okay with that all right that mean that is one No
that's for 20 25 new cameras or Oh above it and one new car camera Understood And then we won't have problems with the batteries like we're having right now That would hopefully solve it I lost one last week Okay Uh 75,000 for the update of the men's locker rooms and bathrooms
Um that will be done with the you know with our town architect do that Mr Darl no Is that necessary for No I don't believe we're going to you're going to have it renovated by renovated Correct Okay I didn't go We have to go Okay Will
we see the renovation plans we could Thank you Uh the last thing I have on this page is incar laptops at $40,000 So what is is this how many are we getting from 40,000 those are our laptops Um that is eight laptops So
they're 5,000 a piece Yeah 10 from 2020 So 5 years old Okay So they've reached the end of their service life Yeah We're we're losing air cards That's that's how they functioned And uh we have two right now that are on the way out and you're talking about over $700 an airport So
everybody okay with that how I'm sorry How many laptops eight laptops Eight And 5,000 each And the mounts too cuz they're they're different Of course they're different Of course And I got a new plug It's like the iPhones Yeah that's what
I'm saying New mounts new plugs Um are they sourced from a uh state contract yes Yeah Are there any grants available for something like that not that we've uh define that's for sure We'll we'll always check Yeah Not not for computers
Yeah Thank you gentlemen That's all I have on your list Thank you for coming I appreciate you waiting Sorry you have to wait so long but I thought the I I had to get an answer on the ALPR before I responded So I knew the answers but I wanted to put them in the public so
everybody could be Thank you very much those on a professional standpoint I would really really like to underscore my my gratitude for that I think it's a force multiplier I think it goes a long way It puts us back to what I consider industry standard for our industry So thank you very much And again there's one going out of Vanburg
Benberg and Washington a Washington Avenue and Pasc Road and Ridgewood Road and Pasc Road The three of them Correct We don't need one at the Parkway There is one there Oh is that the one that's on like facing Jackson yes Well that's an ALPR right the county put that in We
do not have access to it though because we're not a buy in on the system This is buy tech So technically you have access to four of them then Yes One location Five Five There's one on the entrance and the exit Oh I didn't realize there was two there Which one where is that
one at the 168 exit isn't it there's two there already We don't have access to them because we're not part of the program Is there going to be an operating expense for them at all i know it's a dollar that they short now but uh from No because the uh they piggyback
off the traffic lights Okay Uh that's that's the only ongoing expense that there would be Correct It's a minimal Washington That is a quid proquo for buying into the system for us purchasing the hardware All of those expenses are taken care by the county Thank you Thank you gentlemen Thank you
Appreciate your time Thank you Um on capital the only thing I have we didn't vote on is the new chief uh command vehicle fully equipped Tahoe Um yeah the fire chief Yes that is the only
thing I show that we didn't vote on Is that what you have Mrs Wowski yep That was the only thing I have here too Um yeah the only thing I have is that um do we know how old the old uh vehicle is Mr Defal yes So um the plan would be to um
hand me down the chief's current vehicle to the deputy chief So the 2000 he has a 2018 He would hand me that down to the deputy chief And the deputy chief I think currently has it is the 2014 2014 And then that would uh I don't remember
if the plan would be to auction it or to try and trade it in I I don't remember but either way it's going to have a value We push this off to next year Is it required this year i mean again in in discussing it with the the chief and the director they were
hoping for this vehicle last year and they had pushed it off to try and minimize the requests of capital for the fire department I think it's also anticipated that there's going to be some time frame nothing like the garbage truck of three years Um but it might not be till you know the end of this year
2026 before they actually receive the vehicle That's my belief That's my understanding And and also I think it was to uh defer some of the cost next year If you see they're looking for a replacement of engine 43 So it was just to spread the expense out over two different years as opposed to going for
a million 90,000 next year Let's tell you ladies and gentlemen you okay with it i can tell you that the assistant chief's car is rattling The doors aren't closing right It's it gets beat you know
It really does get beat Everybody okay leaving it's not on It's not on purpose It's just use Everybody okay with leaving it this year yes Thanks Okay Yes Mr Cassia Sure Council President do you mind if I just do a rundown with you sure All
right So I have um 2025 road program at Fern Carriage Bergen and Salem approved for 887,000 Y the new cheese vehicle approved for 90,000 Yeah Two garbage trucks approved for 600,000 Yeah Front loader for 250 An F350 crew cab for 100
Yeah One police vehicle at 90 Yeah Stationary and yellow prior at 100 The BWC is at 35 The renovation at 75 Yeah Incar laptops at 40 Y and the um fencing at 85 So I think the only thing that was
reduced was So John this is your time to shine with the math And uh we'll have I already have I already have it Okay So we need to know the 5% Um well well reducing a 190 makes
2 million 352 So the capital improvement fund of 5% it' be 117600 Okay So what page does that go on Mr D it was uh close to the end Yeah it was like 59 or 60 Uh so page uh capital capital
improvement fund page 64 halfway down the page Yep Capital improvement fund So we had 122100 What is it Mr Corkran page 117600 [Music] 117600 Ladies and gentlemen this is for
what page uh page 54 64 364 64 117600 capital improvement fund 5014492200 [Music] 17600 the president said like just just as a a backtrack way of getting back to that
number if if you 5% of 90,000 is is is uh is 4500 which and that's a reduction 4500 So yeah thank you Yeah sir Just a couple of housekeeping It's okay Sure Mr Powy I think we can do the introduction
on April 7th as long as can get it Absolutely You and I will go over the numbers tomorrow and Yeah And uh President Council good was getting the uh first reading of the salary set up as well Uh can we have it like not on yeah
I'll give it to you beforehand Yeah Like so you can see it Yeah As long as we don't get it that night I just We never get it that night You always get on that Friday before Yeah But even if we can get it sooner than that is what I'm saying Now you really ask Well if we can get it sooner than the Friday you know
anything else ladies and gentlemen President Yes Um I just want to thank you for reconsidering the employee salaries I think that was a good move Thank you very much on behalf of them Thank you M If I may speak No go ahead Mr No I would
I think we thank all the council for putting an effort into plus and minuses and what we need to do to keep this town going So I want to thank everybody here you know and I think we all focus it on
the needs of the town and and that's well appreciated So thank you Agreed Do we want to look at the revenue the trust capital sure Mr Alman what page you on are you on the other the tabs
where is he revenue and trust Revenue and trust You want audit trail 2024 trust do you want to do that one first Mr Uhman i was just going to look at the uh the revenue side Sure What p where are you on it's
the second tab I think In the front It's the white one The grant one Mine's white and it says revenue right Okay Hold on Oh it's in the beginning Is that where you're at yes Oh revenues Yep I see it Okay So
we're starting at the top Uh alcoholic beverages right we could use her Is that what you're talking about Mr D yes All right So the 24 realized is revenue that has been truly realized by the Yes
that's those are actual income numbers So these are actuals and the proposed budget is what we're anticipating Yes And as you may or may not know we cannot anticipate more than we realized the previous year If
anything we took into account um conditions of 2025 that we expect to be a decrease such as interest um police side job you know etc So municipal relief fund aid
The state omitted that this year So we're not receiving this No And that's a that was a hit for 74 grand That was only for two years you received that I'm sorry Mr Corkin We we we that's
finished now We That's why we're not anticipating it for this year So the 74 So the 74 424 is not being that's why we're not having it Okay Yes We received those monies for two years So it it's finished as of the 24th and
there's no more fund Are there any remaining funds in the ARP no that program was completed and concluded We have to use the remaining funds that we had available by the end of December 31st 2024 Actually the
reporting period starts tomorrow Sean I I remember remind you like every I knew you were going to remind you about that So yes No there's no more ARC money So there's no more Fed money for that And then the 343
Yes So that came from all our closures and cancellations of funded ordinances capital ordinances So is that cash for lack of a better term
yes But there's a downside to that which I'm sure you could imagine That won't be there next year Understood Can we um is this all fungeible can it be
earmarked to for the uh repayment of debt is that what it has to be earmarked for just what does it go into general fund oh basically you're allowed to anticipate it as as a revenue- which is what we're doing to
try to uh offset some of the costs that you're that you're raising through this budget But because because there were you know certain revenues that we can't anticipate this year that we received in 24 but by by resolution gone we canceled those balances to the general ledger for
reserve what's it called reserve reserve for payment of debt right correct I think that's what you're yes it's it's lowering the amount that that you have to borrow basically and and yes okay and the other item was that the one
state aid that we get usually goes up every year In 25 it's remained the same The energy receipts did not increase for 25 It's it's the same amount And the 84 that's a grant for the grant
resolution Do we know if we have that so in hand uh well it's a reimbursement grant So if we don't spend it this year which there's a most likely that we won't it'll just John does an accounting I think some
accounting at the end of year You turn into a grant money Yes it goes on the grants receivable reports How come the Bergen County GIF grant went down so much well we only get that um it's about$,750 a year So the reason
why the better question is the reason why it was so high is because it wasn't being used It was just accumulating accumulating accumul Yeah While doing the annual financial statement last year what's the local recreation improvement
grant that is um they're they're you know so one's usually the DCA the local recreation improvement grants is from Bergen County so um that was the previous
years So we didn't we didn't we haven't yet received it So the only time I'm going to be able to get it in the budget and on the revenue side is if I know about it prior to the budgeting you know period time frame So we've made a couple
of grant um applications So right so if one comes in June that's when we'll do the chapter 159 We'll introduce it into the budget um after the budget process is complete and the receipts from delinquent taxes That's a Do you want to try and explain
that John that's one of the four major components to the revenue side Um I don't really I couldn't regurgitate it well enough to have someone explain it but I John Do you want to take a stab at
it um I mean I I know in general to be I I really don't know in terms of what the amount itself um I I can see you know from last year it it it was also used it was just a different amount Well there's
always there's always a revenue from receipts from what so the way I understand it is it's money that was owed that came in Well is that the interest rate that's owed on i don't think it's the interest rate I think that's what um that's what was owed to us that was delinquent Right So
taxes plus the interest Exactly Well yeah Which is why revenue right and it's typically that constant that I couldn't tell you It does look that way but I don't you know I don't I mean you know our our uh Yes it is It is
And if you look at that amount it's a very small percentage If you if you were to compare it to our tax base $200,000 is is is very small amount percentage wise Agreed Which I think is why someone
raised the question of why we are reserving how much 680 Yeah that's why I was wondering why we're reserving 635 635 And again I don't say this as a as a blame but the council in 23 reduced it against recommendation from 7:15 So in
anticipation of council having those questions I spoke with our financial advisor um provided bullet points of why we shouldn't why we shouldn't do it Um and it would it would just be financially irresponsible for us to do that Why would it be financial why would
why why is he saying it would be financial i can do you want me I can certainly send it to the Yeah if you don't mind sending I can intend on uh Yeah absolutely Because I mean he has a a kind of an explanation of Yeah we're at 200 We're putting 635 in there and I understand Well again I know whether
council likes to hear this argument or supporting facts or not Um if you see our first revenue is surplus and it's down $150,000 because our overall surplus has been declining over the last couple years And if council um elects to
reduce our rut it's going to be even less going into our surplus and we're going to be uns we're not going to be able to sustain this budget So our our goal is to get back up to the common 1.8 that we normally introduce at least since I've been here and looking at you know the history of how we've been
putting them into surplus So if it's if you reduce rut it will have impacts in several manners but significantly with decreasing our um our surplus Okay
And then so if we turn to the grants the the audit trail the well I guess I guess it's the audit I mean this is that ending balance is
basically the balance in the grant account just get there Yeah So as of the time I printed it January 22nd So clean communities we basically use it to pay
for the uh disposal of the um yeah so clean communities we traditionally do like uh we pay for environmental renewal So that would be our leaf brush yard waste you know our vegetative waste um clean communities or the recycling tonnage grant is how we usually offset
on our recycling pickup and drop off We didn't have any grant money left for recycling Um but we did have money to offset the need in the budget for uh our vegetative disposal And if you remember I think the numbers where I told you we needed 100,000 and we only funded it
with 30 um because we have grant money in the current budget right that was at like 25,000 or 31,000 and then the remainder of the 70 is within the grant lines here
So if things works to plan would this be zero at the end of the year or something close to it yes Yeah Yes So again in in in addition to the reserve for payment of debt income we
want revenue we won't have that and we we won't have any grant money left to amendment what's needed for uh for vegetative disposal You're fading Mr Darlin Yeah I know that's that's legitimate that's just not microphone
it's body Yeah So can you So there's a clean communities grants We'll still have the current budget grants that come in every year for the
recycling tonnage grant and the clean communities It's just this these grant lines have accumulated over the years Again I wish I could tell you um you know why it wasn't um benefited from but you know the the last couple years that's been our strategy is to use
the um the grant lines and that that's money in hand because it went through the appropriation cycle of the budget So for if we were to look on page three at the middle department 705
the 54,000 is that the aggregation of the 23 22 20 yes okay so the same question would this be essentially zero at the end of the year or yes if
everything works out according to like what we're anticipated it's been based on last year's expenditures Yes Okay And then I guess when we look at page four some of those have been zeroed out if you remember from the last council
meeting Yeah So where you see a balance in uh CDBG 2019 Mhm that's no longer there We canceled that out Uh the 11,892 we canceled out Um I believe John the 28,000 as well
right yes Yeah Well 30,000 is still Yeah the 30,000 is still there along with the match we keep in touch with them to let them know that's still a project that we want to do right and then yes DH
DMH did we cancel that out the 2,800 no but we will be Okay Oh that's you're gonna that's something I'm working on Yeah that's gonna be going on for our next meeting actually Um but as you're looking through this report you'll see a
vast majority of these have been zeroed out Um and you can tell because when you look all the way to the right on the page where it says uh transaction balance for the most part you know there's nothing in there and and even ones that have numbers there at the end
you'll see they're all zeroed out Um basically these accounts are set up um in the event you have to pay something past two years because when it's in the current fund you only have two years to pay it So you set up a grant line in case five years down the road you have
to pay something the money's there Then at some point you you you probably will reach a point where you decide you won't have the painting out of that line and at that point then you can cancel them which which we've done with some of these also But that that's the that's the
intent If you go down to page 15 you'll see some local recreation improvement grants 159 local uh grant Those are on the grants receivable So we don't actually have that money in hand that will be reimbursement once we have appropriate
funds to spend utilizing those grants So the 60 if I remember correctly the 60 is associated with the swim club and the 66 is associated with 450 but obviously 450 isn't technically ours yet but it is
still a grant we receive and that will be used to offset with the acquisition Yeah Again Mr Muno will be here on the 7th to do a presentation for the council So I want him to to answer these questions but I had started with you know we're going to
need money to demo or clean up that property so to speak and he believes that we can use some of that 60 towards that So that would be great But again I want that to come from him um as a definite and and really good news just because we're experienced now We've started the process with Mr Buno and
Miss Bailey um that once that acquisition is put into place that we're moving to get that grant reimbursement for the land acquisition like we're we have the ball rolling hopefully speed up that reimbursement Good
Anything else Mr Well I mean I don't I don't know if there's an appetite to understand what's in the uh the trusts and are there opportunities there um in the trust I think the best the
best um utilization of it is what council did tonight with uh the reserve for public events and offsetting for town day um you know that we use the snow trust um to offset a lot of things um but
that's kind of getting reduced by the amount of funds that's in there that's reducing but you know it's still I think it's holding fast at about 18,000 um another one we talked about was accumulated leave in the trusts
how about the uh the trust uh reserve for escrow fees I mean we're holding almost a million dollars of escrow fees Well we talked about 276 of it you know Um what about the reserve for performance
bonds Mr Corkran is there any any anywhere we could move that out of there i you know I'm gonna have to look into that I because I've noticed that for a while too Uh that's a big number 131,000 Just I know in discussions with uh because can we use that to pave the
roads that those performance bonds have you know done damage to if you don't mind let it let us get some good answers on that because I'll you know I'll always try to dip my hand in the cookie jar and I'll get smacked by the appropriate person whether it's you know Miss Aair or you know uh Miss Terabokei
or whatever So I know we've talked about the reserve for backfill bonds the reserve for escrow fees and performance bonds Um well I was I'm saying typically those performance bonds are for road opening permits So if we can move that 131 out and put it into paving for this
year you know that bring you close to a million dollars in paving Yeah But if that's if it's truly a performance bond John wouldn't this potentially be money due back to the escrow if they paved it Well I don't know that it's just for roads paving We we'll do some research
You know we we dip into this a little bit in public uh events We talk about um Okay you know PA we can't trust outside billing we can't for police actually that's a pass through between
the vendor and the payment mason yes except for the 35% administrative fee so that's an income revenue building that then you'll see the redu you know the the uh remember it's a debit or credit whatever it is
and then uh please stop building a lot and we talked about reserve you know there's trust in there that Wukowski uses you know for the animals or for the marriages or you know uh reserve for tax lean premiums we can't touch
[Music] Um reserve for snowplow we talked about reserve for accumulated leaves we talked about And then [Music] um what about the donation for police can we buy the ALPRs with that
and we reduce that and by the ALPRS and get rid of that line Mr Carefully I'm I'm sorry What page is that on i'm sorry On page 37 I'm sorry
17 too Donations there's $33,000 in there Can we actually Is it 33 or 43 yeah it's 30 Yeah there's 33,000 Can we use that to offset the ALPR costs um I I I I would want to look into that
a little more f a little further Uh I'm not saying you can't Can we use that to renovate their locker room or whatever the renovation would you mind if administration had a discussion with the police and just see um what they may have you know
um a plan for you know I I think most of that donation came in from the former mayor Yeah the former mayor that left it as a uh you know I just if you you know wouldn't mind I think we can do that before it comes to you know
bonding or borrowing money to see what their plans may have been for that money They use some of it The reserve for accumulated leave is that just for
police or police end It's I mean it's you know again I I only know what the title and there's nothing that suggested me that that was only since I've been here Um it has been used on two occasions and they happen to
be police officers but I had every intention of um utilizing it for the two DPW six time payout for lack of better terms Hey Mark if I could I think you should be able to do that I would think I I would think you could I don't
think it should be just for you know I think you could use it for DPW No I I know we can it accurately That's you know that's all I've done is that you know since I've been here right So what's our do we know what our
maximum exposure is are we now yes Um based on the calculations I did on the 2GPW employees at the time I did the calculation what their sick time would be again I think it was somewhere around the $15,000 mark It was definitely below
20 So our max exposure based on the contract what they had accumulated for sick time was under 20,000 And on the police side or whoever else is eligible for nobody's eligible for anything unless the council you know
takes advantage of one of those um what we call the buyout to remember the police chief explained it to you You know yeah I don't like that term but yes employment agreement we say Yeah So I I
guess my question is we have exposure for the two DPW of maybe a max of let's say 20 Oh yeah Yeah It's not that
might be less Mhm There's no exposure contractually No To the police No police have do not have again for a lack of a better term sick time buyout They do have personal time buyback and
vacation time buyback that's um funded through the current budget So I guess my question is if we have 55 in there's 75 in there now
Yeah and we have a potential 20 you know can we work on reducing that how can we take any of that we still have five more A employees right that could qualify for it right well again yeah just you said
there's seven right there's seven A employees right now right there's what seven A employees No no Oh yeah No this would only again would take care of I'd have to see why it was set up but my my interpretation of this was again exactly that reserve
um to pay out for accumulated leave So the police are not entitled to anything contractually when they retire The DPW does the DPW and it's just for sick times However you can utilize that reserve for
accumulated leave For an example if there was another employment agreement with a police officer like there was last year that's where we took it from The way we would keep funding it is when I explained it to the council last meeting when the reserve year is over
and rather than going into surplus we can do an accounting entry to put it in accumulated leave just like we do for the snow trust Okay So again I don't know if you guys have a
Well I'm just worried about the remaining 4A employees that can retire and have sick dut them Not not DPW No only two are entitled Only two that can retire The only two that actually can retire No one can else No I'm saying what about the other four when can they
retire oh they still have years to go Oh it takes what is it six or seven years to get the top up top a man Oh okay Yeah They're they're in the beginning of their careers you know I think I think the next one that would be eligible would you want to move money out of there and put it into
the line item Mr Elemen I I mean I think it's best if it stays there because it's kind of little your little nest egg if if an employment agreement does come along Um so you pulled the 40k last year out of that line Yeah The 39 Yeah Yeah council president of the
Senate if I could Um yes go ahead I understand we have a little bit of buffer in that account But keep in mind too we have another trust account that that I'm a little worried about that is is going to get into a negative at some point That's a snow plow I mean uh based on the balance at at the beginning of
last year and what it is now and I know we have that current fund account that well I think I think it got cut to 175 Uh I'm just saying I I would leave this in this this particular trust account because at some point at some point we
might have to reimburse that snowplow account I'm pretty confident about that Uh maybe not tomorrow but maybe by the end of this year it's going to be interesting So um it might be a situation where where you might want to move some of that money from this into
snowplow depending on how things go Can we move money between the trusts like that i mean aren't the trusts established for a particular purpose they are but you also don't want to get in a situation where where a trust account is is gets to a negative balance
That's that's that defeats the purpose of setting up a trust trust account to begin with Clearly um not John not that I disagree with you but if you remember taking into account the decreased um amounts that's uh continuously getting into the snow plow
we beefed up current budget lines like for winter watch the vehicle repair Okay Overtime and things like that Okay Not that you're wrong but we did make some adjust the budget Yeah No that that's that's fine Like I said I don't know if
we can if we can trans I don't know I can find that out to go from trust fun to trust fun because there's a dedication by riders which allows you to you know DLGS is allowing you to spend that money for the purpose that we did the dedication by riders for So I'm sure
I mean if we have other money but right you know we can certainly find out answer but you know anything else Mr Um what about the uh
the summer camp so the the the uh balance that's commonly left in summer camp we use that to um would you say we use an income line on the the budget yes correct
So what do we do with that Mr We use it as part of our income base for the for the uh the summer camp So when we you know we account for our income and expenses a portion of that balance from the the trust fund is utilized I just don't have a budget Yeah I don't
remember how much we were taking out of here but we try to leave a decent amount but I think we took some out this year I'm sorry I just don't remember the amount off hand Yeah and we definitely have to leave at a decent amount because sometimes Yeah Yeah damages and stuff like that Like one year we had $10,000
worthages And I think I think Mayor you proposed a budget that would reduce the amount that we had in summer camp Correct I think you were using more of the balance Correct the developers plan the trius
We're getting a settlement No you mean from the court case for one maline court or the property on the corner east yes The uh the court worked out
an agreement for them to um plant 15 trees which I believe Mr Sears is happening tomorrow Uh tomorrow Yes Yeah On the property Township No no it be on township property The parks and uh memorial field
So so it's not monary It's just actual that they are So I understand And this is way outside the budget but what's what's being done at that property i mean so there were trees and now there's nothing right so we're
directing the property owner back to the planning board Um so there was communication between myself Mr Lamatina the property owner and Miss Halish and um we're trying to get her back on the agenda for the plan the planning board I don't know if it'll be the next meeting
to do what I to go before back before the planning board to discuss the landscape plan I imagine I mean she's they have to put a landscaping plan in place They didn't they did they so they they have to so this so these trees that are being planted on municipal property
are above and beyond above and beyond the landscaping again I don't want to say that like it's definite right that's what I'm concerned with is like we're putting these trees everywhere else and then she's going to say well I'm putting no trees on the property and it's lays desolate I mean that was a fully wooded lot yeah there's I mean again the judge
made outside of the you know our influence but again you know we'll stand It's an important I you know I understand that as the penalty for what they did right i don't understand that as to meaning they don't have to put any trees back I can't
tell you that they're not off the hook Yeah Yeah That's plant these trees on on town property and then say "Well we're not planting anything." No this is above what they have to do All right I don't
basketball Mhm That's a lot of money in there Well again you're seeing a lot of the income right now without a lot of the expenses having been paid for the season yet We get all the registration fees up front but then the expenses come
out throughout the season I think doesn't like part of the It just had the basketball just Oh Oh yeah This is This report's dated January 21st So it just ended two weeks ago Yeah probably a lot of expenses came out between that and now as the season
went on Okay I mean we started at 59 and I appreciate that we're at 63 and there's some additional expenses but it seems like a a large amount I'm sure it's nowhere
near that You know I can let everybody know that But again if we weren't paying now as you can tell in uh there was a reimbursement on January 13 of $21,000 You see all the money coming in but you see the money going out as well So it won't remain that high I don't believe
No I don't think so either Again I forget when a registration opens So it could be that 59 if the registration opened in November Let's say it just carried over running a negative in
our on page 29 reserve for COA No that I don't know how to really explain it to you but there's John I don't know how to explain it I don't know how to explain why it's
not a negative that that fund has about um probably $276,000 in it Actually I printed it out today Yeah that that was a new account It had $287,000 in it It was the way it was an
accounting thing of what we had to do so we could spend some money So I think it's in a general ledger John that for that Okay Right And we had to create it this way Um so we can actually incur an expense because I
guess some general ledgers we can't incur an expense against That's what it was Yeah Can't encumber a PO against a general ledger account No it can only it can only be a budget or a revenue line when you do a purchase order which is why we set up this account I believe Mark
So where's the 200,000 in a general ledger $287,000 as of February 3rd It's in a general ledger account So it's I can figure everyone out up here I just can't figure out the lottery numbers I know everything you're going
to have All right Um I was hoping to go through uh capital but since it's a quarter after 10 call it a day Motion to adjurnn So move
All in favor i Thank you ladies and gentlemen Okay Good night everyone