Thank you. >> Welcome to the special public meeting of March 16, 2026 of the Township of Washington Council. Adequate notice of the meeting was given in accordance with the Open Public Meetings Act by the Township Clerk to at least two newspapers on February 24th, 2026,
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under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Roll call. >> Councilman Casio here. Councilman Sears here. >> Councilman >> here. >> Councilwoman Deles >> here. >> Council President Senna >> here. Let the record reflect also in
attendance Mayor Peter Calamari, >> Township Administrator Mark D. Carlo, and Township Clerk Susan Wikowski, and Township Attorney Siobhan Bailey. >> Sorry. We're going to go into close session for
resolution number 26-200, a settlement agreement 660 Pascaly LLC and affordable housing >> and affordable housing litigation. The township council anticipates that an open session will be necessary following the close session. Motion to enter into
close session. >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Unfortunately, ladies and gentlemen, I have to ask you to step out. You can go sit in the uh senior center until we and we'll summon you a public meeting.
Steve, could we do it? Ste wants us to do it. >> What's that? >> Motion to reconven. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I thank you. >> General approval of minutes, none. General public comment limit to five minutes. Motion to open the public comment period. >> So move second.
>> All in favor? >> I. >> Anybody would like to come up and address the council at this time for anything that is not on the agenda. >> What do you What would you like to talk about, Mr. Ign? >> Is there anything on the agenda regarding the property coming home? Yes,
it's on. >> So, we can't discuss it. >> You'll be able to discuss it once we get to the 264 ordinance 2604. >> Will that happen tonight? >> Yes, it will happen shortly. >> I'll go park myself. >> What's that? >> This is just introduction.
>> Oh, just intro introduc. >> Yeah, you can do it on 2602, Mr. >> Anybody else like to come up at this time? Motion to close the public comment period. >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Ordinances. Adoption. Second reading.
Ordinance number 26-01, an ordinance amending chapter 540, article 21 entitled affordable housing and article 22 entitled mandatory affordable housing set aside of the code of detachment of Washington. Resolution number 26-201 authorized authorizing second reading
and opening of continued public hearing for ordinance 2601. Do I have a motion? >> So move. >> Second. Any discussion? Would anybody like to come up? Have to do roll call first or who we uh we can ask. Maybe should we do roll call? >> All right, let's do roll call.
>> Council, yes. >> Councilman Sears, yes. >> Council Nman, >> yes. >> Counciloman Veles, >> yes. >> Council President, >> yes. >> Would anybody like from the public to come up and discuss 2601? >> Seeing no one motion to adopt ordinance number 2601.
So move. >> Second. Roll call. >> Councilman Casio. >> Yes. >> Councilman Sears. >> Yes. >> Councilman Omen. >> Yes. >> Counciloman Bles. >> Yes. >> Council president. >> Yes. >> Ordinance number 26-02. An ordinance of the township of Washington, Bergen
County, New Jersey, amending chapter 580 zoning of the township code by creating new AH1 and AH2 affordable housing districts to permit inclusionary townhouse development on block 2329 lot 2 and block 2110 lot 1 and lots 6
through 11. Increase the permitted residential density on block 3201 lot 3 and amend the required excuse me >> 3202.01 >> block 3202.01 1 lot 3 and amend the required affordable housing set aside
for block 3505 lot 1 in accordance with the township's housing element and fair share plan resolution number 26-202 authorize second reading and opening of continued public hearing for ordinance 2602 do I have a motion >> so move >> second roll
>> call just note it's block 350 block one >> how about 345 >> 3405 >> I can only read what I'm given Mr. Gentlemen, I appreciate you having the >> We all have the same thing. It's 3405. >> You're no different. You're no special.
>> I read 3405. >> You said 35. >> Oh my. Okay. Okay. >> I caught him on the other one. So, thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. It's block 3405. Yes. >> Even though that's what I said, but you guys want to say I said 350. >> The video tape. >> Yeah. That's why we tape these things. >> I'm sorry.
>> Any discussion? >> Roll call. >> Councilman Casio? >> Yes. >> Councilman Sears? Yes. >> Councilman? >> Yes. Council woman. Yes. >> Council President. >> Yes. >> Yes. I'm sorry. I'm I'm so I'm so I'm so upset about all this stuff. Sorry, Miss WZ, but I'm so upset about all this.
It's like driving. >> Yeah. I'm sorry. It's just It's driving me crazy. Mr. Dragnel, you can come up now if you'd like. >> Do my name and everything. >> Just your name. You don't have to give us your address. >> Mike Edgelo from Mure. Uh I'm just here
to ask a question. I I started this uh about a year ago with the mayor in his office discussing you know what could we possibly do behind your house that would make the neighborhood happy and you know I said most single family houses or anything along those lines and it was suggested how about like town houses
and I said that's fine. Okay. And it's kind of like it reminded me of my dad used to say if you give somebody an inch they're going to take a yard. Well, recently I've heard that the town planner, the town itself has agreed upon incorporating a lot from M Street to be
put in with the lots on Pasc Road so that they can get enough acreage to build 32 units. I mean, I don't understand why we can't go with 26 or 25 units that the lot holds, but that's your business. >> Well, just so you're aware, Mr. Anel, they started at 70
>> 70 >> 70 >> 70. Okay. >> So, That's what that's So we we have to like you just said like your dad was teaching you have to give and take. >> Well we they could start at 300 town houses. >> They could start at a thousand but we got them down. >> Put them on but put them on two and a
half acres would be a little uh >> I understand. But I'm just giving you I'm just giving you where we started at. We've been working on >> but that two and a half acres holds something. Okay. And the town has agreed to give them another half an acre or 3/4 of an acre so they can incorporate more town houses. But
>> there is no construction going on on the Mistine property of housing. >> That's exactly why I'm here. I was told originally that the house is going to come down and it would be open space. Okay. Recently within the last 7 to 10 days, I now hear there's a possibility
of a rear entrance coming out. >> There's no rear entrance on Me Street >> and possible parking. There is a possibility for parking that would be required as part of the residential site improvement standards, >> right? But we've we've we've put a
caveat in the ordinance which we'll introduce later that the visitor parking on Meston Street after one year after com after the completion of the development of the multifamily housing on block 2110 lot 6 through 11 the township shall conduct a traffic study
analysis to determine if lot one may be needed to be developed with a to be determined number of visitor spaces based on the analysis of demand for such visitor spaces serving the developer. So, we're holding it in obeyance and if it's needed because, you know,
they they the the town houses do need visitor parking, right? So, there's no there's no place they limited spaces. >> I'm just trying to imagine the situation, though. It's my opinion that if the town was to decide to put that parking on the other side of the
property, they won't want that parking anymore. >> You're putting You're putting that parking 60 feet from Season's parking lot. And M Street now is a big parking lot for them. And you know as well as I do. And if you don't know, I'm telling you that parking lot is going to become
nothing but an additional parking lot for seasons. And that parking lot is 15 ft off my bedroom. And if you have any respect for the people on M Street, we'd like to stay private there. You know, you want to use the lot for open space. That doesn't affect us. But if it becomes a parking lot, what are you
doing to the value of the home on the house directly across the street on the corner? My house next door to house across the street from >> your house isn't exactly next door to that. >> My house is right next door that property line is 15 feet from my bedroom and just imagine Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night valet parking or
employee parking. Forget about So, so just so we're clear, this is a development for a homeowners association for townhouse. >> Okay. And who's going to police what cars in the lot? So when when the chef from season parks in the lot and walks across the street, who's going to know if he's a guest in the condos or a guest
of of seasons, who's going to police that? Can I do it? I'll take cameras. Give me the give me equipment. I'll give you all the information you need. But they're not going to be using that park for guest that lot mo mostly for um guest parking. And we all know Jimmy. I mean, everybody knows him. He's not He's
a very smart man. Let's put the parking lot 60 feet from my property. He's he's using the bank. What's going to happen when he loses loses the bank? >> He's coming to my lot. >> He owns the bank. >> Okay. >> Well, just trying to express my displeasure. Hopefully, you guys would
understand that >> we're trying as as much as we can, Mr. Agnello, with the compound. >> I I honestly believe that >> we really this council and I and I thank the council and the administration for, you know, we we had a similar version. You were at all the zoning board
meetings previously where we were going to put the additional parking, right? We weren't going to build it along, you know, behind your house and along, right, >> uh, Northgate because we didn't think we needed it, but we showed it with the same caveat. Hey, it's been a year if we need it, you need to build it, right? I
don't I don't know if you remember that test, but remember, so we're doing the same thing here. >> But this guy to me is the closest thing to God. He can't walk on water, but he could turn a C1 waterway into a ditch. He could do a lot of things, all right, without people even know him. >> Thank you, Mr.
Would anybody else like to come up and discuss 2602 at this time? >> Good evening everyone. Christopher Minks from Russo Development. Um I'm general counsel, chief legal officer for Russo. Uh Russo is the contract purchaser of the Valley National Site 370 Pascal
Road. Ironically, we're talking about the the property adjacent to Seasons and and I'm actually the attorney that fought Carmina Lampy who was representing the applicant when he originally backfilled that property and I through your planning board and I
believe your engineer confirmed that at the time at least it was a C1 tributary and we stopped that CVS project. Um so that was a different lifetime. I'm here today though uh to talk about the ordinance as it affects the uh Valley National Bank property. Um
Mr. Mayor, you'll you'll recognize and and I know Miss Bailey and I have spoken many times as have we with Joe Burgess, your planner, about this very site and about our our proposed project um for in excess of a year now. Um, and going back
to June of last year, we started submitting some site plans and and renderings and exploring the uh the ability to uh to develop some yield on the site for a town home project. Uh we have a number of issues that we raised
back in or about June or July when we first got the draft of the your fourth round HFSP that had some bulk standards that conflicted with some of the plans that we had shared. As you know, I I burdened you with an a letter late on Friday evening. >> But did you burden us with a letter
previously? um not not this council, but we certainly had discussed with members of members of the governing body as well as your planner and your council about issues that we had with the limiting schedule as it applied originally even on the HHFSP
>> because until Friday I was not aware of any of your issues other than the height issue >> which we which we conceded >> conceded to but that was the only that was the only issue that we that that on this day is that we were made aware up until Friday when we got your other
>> I I appreciate that so because I can't see you I can see the words but um I I certainly appreciate that. Uh nevertheless we did start that process and made objection to and again it was the way we made objection because we did not challenge uh your fourth round
process because this has been a collaborative process with the township since like I said in excess of a year ago. The concerns that we have are merely to try and and tweak some of the provisions that are proposed in the ordinance to have them compliant with the many sets of plans that we had
shared that produced a project that would render a yield of 15 affordable housing units. At this time, the the limitation of 72 units port on this 4.9 acre site is somewhat arbitrary. It does not comply with any of the plans that
were shared. We originally started at a yield that was somewhat higher than that and we came down to a 74 unit plan 73 unit plan. Originally it was identified as 74. We did the math we corrected it was 73. We actually made that correction in your fourth round plan which recited
74 units on the site and we said no no it's actually 73 units. In the letter I've outlined, I'm not going to argue it now before you, but in the outlet letter, we outlined why the geometry, the architecture, and the design of the site, that type of a town home, a stack town home yield would not result in 72
units. It can't. We can't simply lop off one unit because they're modular units. So, there's two per unit module in a building of multiple modules is the the quick and dirty of of the math. So it it is a 73 and has always been a 73 unit
plan to yield that 15 unit affordable because the 73 units uh equates at a 20% set aside to 14.6 units. You round up and you get your 15 units. Um the other items and and I took took the opportunity to go over the ordinance and
I I promised Siobhan that I would share it with her. Um to make the amendments that we're seeking and I'm not I acknowledge that you want to get this done. you want to get this in under the wire for the program's deadline. We're not trying to compromise that. We're trying to continue the collaborative
dialogue so that we can get this program, this project built as it was intended to give you the affordable housing yield you are intending to receive. The differential we're talking about is 2/10en of a unit per acre. So, we're not asking to go to 7475 or push
the envelope. We're asking to be able to build what we had projected and what we had depicted to you for over a year. The other items are a 15- ft set aside for parking along the burrow's DPW property. Mr. Tak Carlo will tell you that we
worked very collaboratively as with Miss Bailey with the burrow to get get you the access that you needed, allow you to change the grade affecting some of the site and and really kind of improve the DPW yard. What we're asking for is the 20 the 20 foot set aside for parking
that's attributable to the entirety of the project be reduced on only on the DPW side. We are respecting the buffer 100%. And and actually agreed and tweaked the program the project during some of the early meetings in order to increase the buffer along the
residential side because we want to be good to our neighbors. um to that we're actually working with the May family, the Paris family, and I I don't recall the name of the other family. Well, in the back of the property, they have encroachments, some significant encroachments on the valley property,
including the basketball court, um, including retaining walls, fences for a pool, and we're working with those families to resolve those encroachments at very little if any cost to them because we're not we're not looking for to recoup costs because the loss of
acreage is minor. But that's one of the reasons why there had to be a reduction in the minimum lot acreage for example below five acres because we're giving property. >> So you're giving that the encroachment is being given the owners. >> The only cost that they'll incur is
whatever subdivision plaque costs that have to be generated in order to record those gifts. But effectively we're granting them that square footage of acreage. Correct. So we slash Valley National Bank because it's still Valley's property. Um the other items
that we're looking to continue a dialogue with you to resolve are again somewhat benign. They're they really have no adverse impact on the community and certainly none to to the burrow. The additional one unit is is accretive to the burrow. It's a taxpayer unit. It's a forale unit and it does not move the
needle on the the uh density per acre. The uh 15t setback as only along the commercial side of the property. >> That's the north side. The north side that is south side >> south side is the uh yeah the north side
is the May property and and another residential property >> that preserves the wooded buffer as well as preserves the 20 foot setback. >> So the western side and the northern side stay buffered. >> Correct. Absolutely. Well the western side has an expansive buffer. >> Correct. But it remains but it remains
it remains >> but that remains untouched. Um the other issue uh that we we were looking to address is is somewhat straightforward. We never proposed town houses and candidly you could never fit townous the
the uh volume of town h of product of units that we've proposed in a townhouse structure which is a very different building class than town homes. Sounds silly sounds like semantics but it's actually a very different thing. It's as it's like a single family home as as opposed to a garden apartment. It is a
different building class. So, we just wanted to clarify that the stack town home project that we proposed for the last year is what was intended here, not town houses. You wouldn't fit a dozen town houses on this site. It's a very different product. Um,
again, all all of the requests that we've made uh are in that in that vein. um the parking setback, the townhouse use, and then in your fourth round plan is where the 35 ft height issue came up.
We re we literally went back to the drawing board, studied with the actual town home building team and confirmed that we could comply with that 35 ft height, but the fourth round plan had a threetory and 35 ft height limit. The
ordinance proposes a 2 and a half story and 35 foot limit that effectively precludes ironically the very building that will include the 15 affordable housing units. So it'll will still be respecting the 35 ft height, but those units technically have three modular
units per module. So that would trip the threetory element of your height uh standard in the ordinance. So, we're not proposing three stories and a height in excess of 35 ft, but we can't comply with technical two and a half story,
even though we will comply with the 35 foot. So, I hope that you can understand that. We're more than happy to sit down, show you the engineering, remind you of what the plan has been. These are not efforts to better our plan, Mr. Mayor. I assure you these are efforts to keep it
in accordance with what we promoted to you, what we proposed, and what we've been working with you on for this long period of time. And with that, my request is simply what I ended my letter with. I understand you're going to move today and uh subject to others that may have comment. Um we simply want to
maintain the dialogue so we can refine the ordinance so as not to hinder this project and jeopardize the ability for us to deliver those affordable housing units. >> So I guess Mr. Make sure you are. We're going to proceed with adopting this ordinance tonight because we're under a statutory timeline to meet that deadline
and then we will discuss with Miss Bailey and Mr. Burgess your your requests and if they're you know valid that you've been talking about them with for a year we'll entertain uh you know review of the ordinance to make modifications. So is that a fair statement?
>> And we'd be happy to come in and have a sit we'll ask you we'll ask you to come in. No reason. No, I don't mean for an appearance. I mean, you know, to come in, sit down, have a work session. >> Yeah, we we'll have to have a session with our planner and >> 100%. We're more than happy. >> But for now, we we we are under a
statutory deadline to to submit this, which I'm sure you're aware of. >> Certainly aware of it. I respect it and and Miss Bailey and I had a a good conversation about it earlier. I fully understand where you're coming from, but we just wanted to appear put context to my letter. Um, and uh >> I would have liked to have your letter two months ago, but
>> I certainly appreciate that. I I would have loved to have sent it. It would have been a different uh different process. >> So, thank you, Mr. >> Thank you. >> Anything from Mr. M. >> Okay. Thank you. Anybody else else like to come up and address uh ordinance 2602?
>> Seeing no one, motion to adopt ordinance 2602. >> So move. Second. >> Roll call. >> Councilman Casio. >> Yes. >> Councilman Sears. >> Yes. >> Councilman Oman. >> Yes. >> Council VZ. >> Yes. >> Council President. >> Yes. Ordinance number 2603. An ordinance
amending chapter 513 entitled development fees of the ordinances of the township of Washington. Resolution number 26-203 authorizing second reading and opening of continued public hearing for ordinance 2603. Do I have a motion? >> So move. >> Second. >> Roll call.
>> Councilman Gio. >> Yes. >> Councilman Sears. >> Yes. >> Councilman Olman. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Bles. >> Yes. >> Council president of the center. >> Yes. Would anybody like to come up and address 260 26-203 at this time? Seeing no one, motion to adopt ordinance
2603. So move second. Roll >> call. Councilman Cio. >> Yes. >> Councilman Sears. >> Yes. >> Councilman. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman BZ. >> Yes. >> Council President. >> Yes. Introduction first reading. Ordinance number 26-04. An ordinance of the Township of
Washington, Bergen County, New Jersey, amending ordinance 2602 as to section 4 only, creating a new chapter 580-38.3, AH2, affordable housing district, and establishing development regulations for block 2110, lot 1 and lots through 111.
Motion to introduce and pass ordinance number 2604, first reading by title. >> Some move second. So, I want to I want to make uh just read into the record on page two of the ordinance under D-11, the maximum building height should read 2 and 1/2
stories, 35 ft. And number three is 32 units all to be located on blocks block 2110 lot 6 through 11 with no units on um lot one. That's it. Oh, and and also for visitor
parking on lot one, one year after the completion of the development of the multif family housing on block 2110, lot 6 through 11, the township shall conduct a traffic analysis to determine if lot one may be needed to be developed with a to be determined number of visitor spaces based on the analysis of demand
for such visitor spaces serving the development. Any other discussion, ladies and gentlemen? >> Roll call. >> Councilman Casio. >> Yes. Councilman Sears, >> yes. >> Councilman Omen, >> yes. >> Councilwoman BZ,
>> yes. Council President, >> yes. Resolution number 26-204, authorizing publication of ordinance number 2604 and scheduling a public hearing. Do >> I have a motion? >> So move. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Councilman Casio. >> Yes. >> Councilman Sears. Yes.
>> Councilman Omen. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman BZ. >> Yes. >> Council President Denna. >> Yes. Resolution number 26-205 authorizing referral of amendment of ordinance 26-2 section 4 only creating chapter 580-38.3
AH2 establishing development regulations for block 2110 lot 1 and lot 6 through 111 of the ordinances of the township of Washington to the planning board for review and recommendation. Do I have a motion? >> So move. >> I'll second it. Roll call.
>> Councilman Cassio. >> Yes. >> Councilman Sears. Yes. Council >> Milman. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman BZ. >> Yes. >> Council President. >> Yes. Resolution number 26-206. Authorize commitment to adopt any outstanding or revised implementing ordinances or resolutions.
>> Do I have a motion? >> So move. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Councilman Casio. >> Yes. >> Councilman Sears. >> Yes. >> Councilman. >> Yes. >> Counciloman BZ. >> Yes. >> Council President. >> Yes.
Thank you. U 2026 budget Mr. >> We just got to get Mr. Corkin on Zoom. >> Thank you everybody. Thank you. >> Take care. That was interesting. Thank you very much.
>> No, >> Mr. Mayor, I'd like to dismiss Miss Bailey since she's not needed for the for the make a >> Is that okay if we dismiss Miss M for the budget here? have anything?
>> Well, you know, might as well >> otherwise get out. >> Did win yesterday. >> How did you do >> that from Mr. Carlo? >> 151. >> Mr. Corp or >> No, just
>> do we need him or Mr. Dar, do you want to start your >> I can certainly start without him. Um, >> what I just want to express my appreciation to the council and council president to Santa for allowing the department heads to uh briefly uh go through their capital
requests this evening and highlight some of the uh more important um account lines that may have a little bit increase give the opportunity for some back and forth if the council so wishes and with that if I may please invite chief fire chief Iello OEM coordinator
cousin Kenny police chief Mr. And uh Dan Sciieri who's here is director of DPW as well as >> Did Mr. Waller join us? >> No, he made it to about quarter to 6 and he called me and said he's not feeling well. So um Mr. Study area be able to
handle both and then they're actually probably the quickest. Um what I what I passed out to the council I'll give a copy here is is um I had Mr. Buno, our grant writer, go through all of the
requests, whether it was capital 2026 or the three-year plan, and jot down notes if there would be something available um or if there would not be something available at this point. So, it's just notes for the council and as we go through um I'll be able to do that.
>> So, we got to do Mrs. Goodier first. >> Yes. Give me a second. This is just for you guys. >> Chief Kar, could you slide the microphone to Mrs. through the area. So, you can go first. >> Council, if you don't mind, just go to
the small binder and uh we'll start you. They're tabbed out. So, if you just want to go to recreation, Dan, if you'd like to bring the council very quickly through your request for the basketball court at Clarkfield. >> Okay. Um yeah, this year we have I would
like to see um Clark Fields basketball court done. Uh I've asked a couple years in a row, but I didn't uh get approved for it. But >> as you could see, I I'd like to invite any of you guys just go over and take a look at it. I mean, I didn't get a
chance to look at it after the snow melted after this winter, but I'm assuming it's just gotten worse. And uh I'd like to see if we could get it done this year, especially this year. >> Uh the the estimated cost from DNL is
88,600. Because it's over the $53,000 threshold, we would have to go out to bid. I am requesting a grand total of 95,000 cuz the uh 88,000 for DNL uh correct Dan is is does not include benches and hoops and nets and uh I
think does it include the striping, the lining as well? Uh not the striping. >> So we're uh respectfully requesting. >> No, it does include according to what I'm reading. It includes the best says remove three basketball post. Install two basketball post backwards and rims to existing layout three-point game. Oh
yeah, it's all included. It's all included. Mr. Not the benches. >> Just not the benches and the the hoops and the nets. So again, not that we're >> Does include the hoops and the nets. It does not in my notes does not include the benches and I think it has the removal and the second line below is
installed to >> they're installing them but they're not it's not the cost of them. That's how I understood it. >> I I gave I called several equipment, labor and material. It says right in their quote. So I don't know why we would >> I called them several times and didn't call me back. >> Right here all equipment.
>> So the equipment if he's installing it, he's got to supply it. >> That's not how I understood it. Did you understand? >> Like I said, I tried to call them and they never returned a call. >> We could certainly refine it. Uh again, I just not that I'm expecting you to vote on it this evening, but my
apologies. I did uh understand it as not including, >> but they are restriping also. So, is he not bringing giving us the paint to do that? >> Yeah. >> Good. >> Um any other questions for for Dan? and I'll move on to the uh the DPW request
of the >> we're going to call it the field break. So, we're >> we have a grant for the Memorial and Clarkfield ADA. Dan, you want to talk about that? >> Uh that's not in his wheelhouse. Uh >> it's under record in my budget. >> No fault. No fault is him. If you'd like me to speak of it now.
>> Sure. Yeah. Well, it's the next page, so Okay. So, uh, Touch Washington was awarded a grant of $80,74 from the Bergen County Open Space Park improvement for 88 improvements to Memorial Field and Clarkfield. There's a 50% match required for this grant. Total
project cost is estimated at 200,000. Grant award is obviously less than half the expected cost of the project. Uh, we're just requesting the balance. And uh the second paragraph just explains the memorial field ADA component that includes ADA seating, 28 ADA parking
spaces, and an access ramp for mobility devices where solar members of the township of Washington community because persons with disabilities, their families, and caregivers will now have much greater barrier-free access and accommodations to this public facility. The Clarkfield ADA improvement component
will provide for the installation of barrier ADA compliant playground equipment and rubber safety surfacing for more inclusive recreational experience. >> Where are we building that? >> At Clarkfield. So that would be at Clarkfield. We we' be replacing some of the um playground equipment that's at
Clarkfield and replacing it with ADA equipment. And then and just also to know we do have a uh grant request out to try and get some of that 120 back that the count that the council will hopefully fund. Thank you. >> So we did ask for obviously more money than the 80,000 that we were awarded,
but of course we're happy and appreciative that Bergen County gave us the 80,000 just to complete the project. We would need uh the balance of 120. Can you just speak to like the the grand scheme of Memorial Field and the as it
relates to the ADA compliance? I we sort of touched on this I think in an earlier meeting where my recollection was we put in ADA parking. Um this is an expansion of that. But is it is it all focused down at that what
is that the souththeast corner by the clubhouse? >> That's where it is now. I think our plan would be to focus it back up along the north side along the basketball court. And then the the other grant were the other part of the project would to be to um put a sidewalk around the entire
field so that way there's access to all the different stages of of bleachers. the back. I would call that what the >> northwest, you know. >> Yes. >> The baseball field, not the softball field. >> It's also we also I'm sorry. We want to
make a uh total oval, so to speak, so people have a walking. It's also >> we have a plan for that. >> I think we probably put together like a rough >> conceptual because I I don't know. I would just like to see how we get behind the softball and the building and everything. Yeah, I don't we had a
conceptual design. >> Um I think we just had it in writing, but I I'll have to check because our engineer Glenn Beckmire Jr. >> was involved in it, but again by the time it was, you know, awarded and stuff, it's probably been about a good year now. So
KL study that has that on that. So, and and Handicap Park was supposed to be on Cleveland right next to the playground with a path in Cleveland going straight to the playground because >> Wait, we're talking right now. >> Oh, sorry.
So, it would tie this work as it's sort of specified, not the future state. This work would just tie in that west the east side of the park essentially. >> Yes. It ties it together.
>> Yes. So, um I I also asked I requested Mr. you know, to provide a list of our outstanding grants. And we have the 2025 local recreation improvement grant in the amount of 150 thou 153,550 was filed for improvements to Memorial Field, including a walking path around
the perimeter that would link various seating, restrooms, and other features. Um, sorry, I just don't remember off the top of my head if we had to submit a conceptual design for it. Um, I feel like we did because we had the engineer involved. How do you come up with a conceptual that you come up with?
>> Um, yeah, I know he obviously helped with like, you know, the concrete pricing and stuff. I just don't remember off top of my head if we drew it. Um, but that's like the second part of it. And it also would help give us some funding back for the uh the $120,000.
I mean, this sounds like a no-brainer to me, but I guess I would just uh like to understand sort of how this and maybe the uh grant you just referred
to, >> how those two tie together, and then if there's a a larger sort of plan, but yes, you know, where we have money and where we plan to put a shovel in the found in the next however
many months or you know year what that looks like. >> You got >> Mr. D Carlo just uh I got a call from one of the residents the the the PSEG flood lights which are around the basketball courts. There's four flood lights at the corners of the
basketball courts >> that are out. >> They're out. >> Okay. >> One of them one of them the wire is hanging. So I guess we need PSG to come do some maintenance on them. >> You're talking about the the to >> No, the short poles. There's four. >> Oh, they're actually PC people. Correct. They're gone. >> We're around what?
>> The basketball court right in front of memorial field. >> They've been out for a while. So, one of the residents had contacted me. So, >> okay. >> Figured I'd wait till tonight and tell you now. >> Got it. >> Any other questions on the uh the grant
match request? >> Any other questions from anybody else? >> Mrs. Goodier, can you continue with your uh deal break, I guess? Yeah, we can go to the DPW for everyone. There's a DBW tab and uh essentially DPW is asking for a total of
$45,000 um for a field break. I'll let Dan go into a little bit. Cost is under the ESCJ co-op. Um you know, the estimated cost is $41,000.
Uh we're requesting $45,000 um to be funded for the project just for you know inflation of prices since we started preparing this back in November. Um and it's all yours.
>> Okay. So I was told uh DPW needed a new rake. They've had asked for it uh I think a couple years ago they skipped the year. They needed other things. now it's back on the table this year and they'd like to replace the one that they
have now. So the the field pro in the quote is that sort of like a uh is that the motorized aspect of it? Is it like a quad or some type of >> It's a three-w wheeled. It's a three.
Yes, that is it. That is correctly. So, do we have the items below it that total 16,000 or 17,000? Uh, can those be used on a piece of
equipment that we currently have? >> I'm sorry. He probably doesn't have the phone in front of him. I apologize. Mr. Lawler was going to handle this. So, he's kind of like >> No, Mr. I can answer. It's it's a it's you're buying the unit all built out this way, Mr. Roman. It's like buying a
car and, you know, upgrading the package, you know, the all the pieces. So, they're buying the Field Pro 6040 and then they're getting the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 attachments that get added to that piece of equipment. >> Those attachments wouldn't fit on >> they wouldn't fit on anything else.
They're they're permanently attached to that unit or, you know, they're made for that unit. They're not they're not interchangeable with other >> that unit's old, too. So these pieces are >> Yeah, this is you're you're buying that unit with all those with those all those options. >> And I understand it's a piece of
equipment that would be trailered from location to location. >> Mhm. Okay. It's also something that DPW's, you know, not that they've been requesting it and turning it and you, the council has been turning it down, but it has, you know, since I've come here, something they've kind of hoped for and
we pushed it off because they've had uh priorities that were needed like a truck or a plow or something like that. So, this has been uh one of their desires for um a couple years now, several years. Would that piece of equipment have secondary use?
The older one with Yeah, start with the older one and then the new one. >> The old one use not use Freddy. >> No, I imagine we maybe we can auction it off. But from what I understand, Mr. Desage, the baseball organization owns
two. >> We own three. >> You own three and we own one. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, you know, ours the townships, we could certainly try to auction it off, but this is this I understand is kind of like a Cadillac version. >> Yes, we don't have We have We have one
Cadillac and two pre-owned that we >> we we would try to auction off that old one. I mean, I wouldn't. >> So, there's a value to everything. >> Yeah. >> I'm sure I'm sure the GV auction somebody will buy. Somebody needs something. Yeah. >> What does something like that go for an auction?
>> Oh, peanuts. We're not we're not we're not subsidizing this $8. >> You want to level off your >> And it's an older unit. >> Yeah, it's old. It's it's C. >> It's C that stays this unit. >> It's old. >> Does this >> Yeah, we have a unit, Mr. Darl. Just so
you know, we have a we have a Smith Go machine at Clark >> Clark >> at Sherry and at Gardner. >> Gardener. Okay. I didn't know about Sherry, but Gardner I knew about. So, how does this factor into the investments we made last year for redoing the fields?
>> It would it would help out significantly. >> Yeah, >> especially at Memorial because that's really where they need it because Memorial is the biggest of the of the infield. So, it' be a big benefit. >> Would it allow the DPW to maintain the
field without um bringing in outside resources? Well, they they they maintain it now without resources. >> Well, when we rebuilt it, when we uh re uh rejuvenated it. >> Yes. Okay. >> Whatever the word is. Um
>> you know, we had someone outside do it obviously. >> Yeah. >> Uh in order to maintain it going forward, >> this would be a a huge a huge help uh out of you know, especially at Memorial and uh >> Okay. So ju just I mean the DPW does a
phenomenal job. Uh the crew that Mr. Scadieri has on that does the fields on a daily basis uh do a phenomenal job. Uh they they treat it like it's their backyards which is very important. Um they do they do the best they can with the equipment they have and thank you
for what they do. Um but what what happened last year Mr. man was, you know, the company that came in actually like laser screened, you know, with like, you know, survey precision and leveled off the fields because they hadn't been done in over 10 years. And eventually, eventually in 10 years,
we'll be looking to, you know, they're going to have to be redone again. They don't last forever. You know, the clay gets the clay gets old. It's got to be replaced and or rejuvenated like you said, the lines all, you know, the the sod gets killed and so forth. So, >> all right. Thank you. Um, that concludes
uh, Mr. Scudiary section. Just to recap, we're going to look over that DNL quote, see if we can refine it a little bit if it does in fact um, include those things. I, you know, my apologies. I thought it did not. And, uh, I'm going to try and get you some more information, maybe a conceptual design
so there's a clear understanding at Memorial Field. And, uh, I think we're good on the rake. >> Thank you, Mr. >> Thank you. And um just just while uh Dan's here, if you guys you know his budget for recreation is pretty
straightforward. There was one line that we did want to increase from 3500 to 4500 and it's for the teen program and I just wanted uh the council to have the opportunity to talk to Dan if they wanted any other type justification. I think I can handle it if when you get to
it. But you know was there anything you wanted to say about the team program, Dan? >> No. >> Okay. It's hard it's hard to budget for that because we have a shared service with well I don't know if you call it shared service I guess it's with Westwood. So they run the program out of their facility according to contract. We
have to pay $500 a year um for like incidents and then it's always $500 and then we pay 40% of what the fees are for the counselors and they pay 60%. So, they're kind of in control of how much the the counselors get paid and how many
get hired. And we never really know until they send us the bill because it always depends on how many kids there are. Um, so what we do normally is because we don't know, I ask for 3500 and then we if it's above that, we use a
little bit out of the miscellaneous line. But, um, we like to not do that this year. So, last year we spent a total of about 4,200 on the team program. That's why I'm asking to go from 35 to 45. >> So it's got substant you can substantiate what we're doing. >> But in the miscellaneous line, we like to use that. So his attendance at the
League of Municipalities. There was also, I think, a um an organization you wanted to join for recreation. It allowed for him to have some money to go to training and then also have a little bit um you know, I can't think of any materials or pieces of equipment you'd have to purchase for recreation, but it
would give him some time for that. So again, if uh if there was any questions, it's on page 47 before Dan Dan excuses himself. I'm good. >> Is there any uh impact with today's update on summerrec
uh >> with with his recreation lines? >> No, they're totally exclusive of each other. >> They go through >> they go through community pass. So the registration for summer camp pays for everything we need. a trust goes through
a trust. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Like we wouldn't use his recreation miscellaneous line to purchase something we need for summer camp. It will be done through the trust. >> Okay. >> Thank Thank you. Thank you, Dan. I appreciate it. >> One second. I'll be right back.
>> You want me to wait, right? >> You can stop. I just got to stand. >> Okay. Do you want me to wait or >> It's We're going to do OEM next. might be important for him to hear. Who's back? >> Oh,
I just had to ask him. >> Oh, okay. >> Sad thing, but >> Got it. Got it. Um, OEM coordinator Clayton County, thank you for being here this evening. He had one budget line that we wanted to ex uh we're not asking for an increase from last year, but just
so um we try to keep it funded at what it was. Um, if we can bring your attention to page 32 of the budget, that is the OEM's only line and I think it's called OEM miscellaneous. Um, but he wanted to explain a piece of equipment
which is called the portable Wi-Fi hotspot to the council and I'll turn it over to you. >> Good evening. So part of in order for this line item in my operational budget to make sense, part of that explanation has to come from the capital request
that's that you see here. Part of the capital request um we'll touch on the traffic light after the fact. The um the police radio upgrade for equipment and labor. What's planned with this is a ability that our radios currently have
some of the radios that the police department have it now but not all of them. When when we go to key up on a radio in order to hear a radio or be able to transmit. When we key up on that radio, the signal goes from the radio, it goes out to a
cell tower, then to either dispatch center another radio, whatever the case may be, and comes back and that's how the communication happens. A lot of the times with the new construction on the buildings or even some of the older construction, some of the schools that radio signal can't get out and we're not able to get out those crucial messages
on our radios if we're operating inside a building, inside a school. >> I'm sorry. >> Should we be having this discussion in close session? Because in the past we've done this in close session because it does involve possible.
>> Did you I mean that's that's the extent of it is to extend our signal >> because we were told when we put the new radios in and Chief Picaro was in those >> that all those issues were resolved. >> Some of the issues that >> Well, we should have been told.
>> No, I that is what that is an absolute that is an absolute. We were told that those issues repeaters in the building >> investment. Yeah. >> And that the >> Well, I really I don't think we >> I don't know if we should be discussing this now because I know in the past
we've been told to go to closed about this because it could involve safety issues and protocols that we need to discuss and close. So, I appreciate that. >> And if we move to the county, is that going to >> I I think we need based on what when I was on the council last time and we had
this discussion, we spent all this money. I know Mr. Per asked us to go into close when we discuss this. So >> if you want to go into close, that's fine. >> We can't do it now. We'll have to do it at the next meeting, but um >> I mean yes, if that's what the council wishes, we didn't we didn't necessarily share that concern, but um
>> I'm just basing it on and I don't want to get us into you know, >> I want to answer Mr. Sears's question that this is exclusive of potential outsourcing to the dispatch center as well. has to do with our radios that if we went to the county dispatch, we would still maintain these re radio. So, this
is an upgrade for the radios. >> Okay. >> But I think I know I know where >> I'm I'm a little I'm a little upset right now. >> I don't understand what that means for now. >> Well, I'm upset now because what >> what um Mr. Kenny just said really is is
upsetting because I I I was told at least everybody the people that were on this deis when we approved the the threequarters of a million dollars for the whole new radio system we were told all that was resolved and there was going to be repeaters in those buildings. Go ahead. >> Yeah, I was part of that project. Um 90%
of it was resolved. So we have a much more robust system. It works in 90% of our buildings. there is one particular building that even then we explain that it's not going to fix everything. So this solution that he's recommending
>> would help $1,000 solution or the seven. >> So during that project we had five radios installed with this Wi-Fi option and he's looking to get it on all the radios. That's that's >> $21,000 upgrade. >> Correct. And that would fix our one
issue that we have now. >> That would take care of the 10% you're saying? >> Yes. >> Are we certain? Cuz I'm upset that I didn't know about the 10% cuz I spent all that money. >> Was always an issue. That was that there was there's no hiding that. >> But I thought we were going to resolve the issue.
>> But we were here. I I So was I. So I mean, >> so was I. >> I remember those presentations. >> There were no repeaters. >> We were supposed to have repeaters. No, we did not. No, not with this system. We would have been well over a million
dollars. We kept it at under 800. So, >> yeah, but our our our focus when we approved that money was to protect blue and our our fire department, our DPW, and everybody because we knew we had this uh deficiency in some of these buildings that was critical and we
wanted to resolve it. Like, I I would have given you the million dollars to fix it because I was I was sitting up here in previously. I was I would have I would have swore to you right now that there was no issues because that was that was done under the last copy. >> We could go to the I mean we could find
the >> I'm not worried. I just want to get it. This is like >> this this >> this was discussed during that process that we were only doing five of these radios with this Wi-Fi option. Okay. and
that we were going to test it out to see if that would resolve any other issues that we had in the different buildings that are older and that's where we have the issues. Um, so we did >> those radios do work in those buildings. >> Yes, there there's five radios. All the
supervisors have so we're looking to get them on the rest of the radios. So that was always the plan. Um, >> but for what we spent for another $21,000 like we should have done this 10 years ago when we did the original system. Chief, can you just briefly explain why
this would be exclusive from any potential communication outsourcing? >> Yes. Regardless of dispatch, um, our radio frequency is would still remain the same. Our radios would still function the same whether you were at the county or you were here or you were
with another dispatch sound. So, it's just improving what we already have and allowing them to work at 100%. Because, you know, we only have five of those radios out of 25. I want Mr. Karlo to find $21,000 to tomorrow and get this
done ASAP because this is this is like >> shouldn't even be cap capital expensive. I don't know. >> So, I apologize if my explanation wasn't well enough before the initial project was before my 10. >> Yeah. No, I Yeah, you I don't even think we're not blaming you. just so I apologize if that explanation wasn't
wasn't great enough. >> But I think that this is a big thing and I I'm I'd like to find the money ASAP because it's critical last time and it's still >> supposed to be resolved. That was one of the >> going over Hold on one sec. Mr. Mwell, um you had
one other thing, traffic signal upgrade for $7,000. Mr. Ken, >> explaining explaining this part was answering the original question about the operational. The operational is it's great that we'll have the ability to connect to Wi-Fi if there's actually Wi-Fi there.
The um the operational line that wanted to note was a portable rugged case that is a cellular Wi-Fi hotspot. So in the event of an operation where there is no power where there's some sort of issue going on inside that building or the
same project that continue for fire and EMS and 27 to be able to break up the cost any fire department operations when they go in they could they disconnect power to the building. You need to have power in order to have Wi-Fi. So that portable cellular Wi-Fi hotspot is going to also
then bring us that capability and be able to expand that. >> So who would control that? the fire department would have to have with them or would that >> ultimately the goal would be to have two would be one for PD to have one in a police supervisor's vehicle and then have one in a fire department supervisor's >> is there a yearly charge for that
>> for a cell signal so you would see the yearly charge for a for that for that cellular device similar to a phone similar to the air carts that the police department has similar to the iPads that the fire department has in their apparatus >> how much is the device
>> the device itself is 25 2600 00 >> and that's included in the 21,000 or that's not >> that is outside of that service is in the budget the OE >> oh it's in the it's in the budget sheet okay I'm sorry I'm I'm just going by I'm just going by this I'm sorry >> we're not asking for an increase but we
wanted to justify >> I understand why >> so >> so you have both of them in your budget for OEM fire department and police correct >> no we're only ask you're only asking for >> I'm only asking for one right now and then next year it would be it would be a similar ask >> is this sort of
a commercial or hardened unit or is it >> it is a it is a commercial harden unit and the brand name is Pelican >> in a in a case that is a very robust case to where it >> if the network has the police department opens up the truck car and this falls
out it's not going to be damaged and default >> and just one other question is uh you know hopefully we wouldn't be out for long but uh does it include extra batteries, extra, you know, worst case scenario, >> they would include an extra battery. Absolutely.
>> Can we charge it from the car? >> And it is, it is USB chargeable for the vehicle. >> I was under the impression. So, okay. >> Yeah. So, so let So on page 32 last year, we we approved for 4500. We're requesting 4,500 this year, and he feels
certain he can purchase the device and pay for the yearly Wi-Fi out of this without asking the council for an increase in that line. >> So, if we wanted to buy two this year, would it be a $9,000 ask? If we wanted to buy two, it would be a it would be a5
to $6,000 ask to operate. >> I think we'd ask you for another 2500. >> It would be for another >> Yeah. So we you'd then be increasing from >> so 6K you'd be okay. >> Uh is that that's 1500 7K. >> All right. Let's let's talk about that
because I think the fire department should have it also because it's important to have. It's it would be crucial once they go through their update with their radio capabilities because that's where they would be using it. >> Then the other thing I have is traffic signal upgrade.
>> Yes, the traffic signal at Ridgewood and Pasc when the county took over the intersection years ago and upgraded the infrastructure there, there was an option to be able to add supplemental power in the event of a power outage there. When the county took over the infrastructure at Washington and Pasak,
this ability was added. I don't know if the base options changed over the decade plus from the upgrade at Ridgewood and Pasak to the upgrade down here. But currently at Washington and Pasak in the event of a power outage, we have the ability to supplement power to that intersection to allow that traffic
signal to function as normal in the event of a storm. Right now, if Ridgewood Pat goes out, it's out and it's going to have to get supplemented with with public safety manpower >> to be able to fold the stop sign >> to to fold the stop signs down and then be able to have somebody monitor and or
direct or set up a cone pattern. >> Can we ask the county to do it for us? >> This is so the county supplied the basic options for everything. And this is where I wasn't able to get a decent explanation from the engineer at the county because we have the option at
Ridgewood and Pasc. I don't know if that was something that the township opted for or if that is something that is now offered as part of their basic package. Kind of like years ago when you had the offer to get FM radio and not just AM and now you get satellite and everything else. I don't know if their basic
offerings updated or if this is an addition for what we went off of. >> So would you use the county contractor? >> We would use the county contractor make sure the programming and everything would be there. So, the reason why the cost of this is going to would have to be on the burden of the township is
because it was not a basic option and it was not an option that was initially went with during the uh the redesign when they redid the infrastructure there. >> Yeah. >> Now, going over everything, double-checking all my numbers before, I noticed the clerical end on my part,
>> the total for that traffic signal is 9,367. Origin originally what I submitted I must have looked at a at a older budget sheet or something else but double checking everything in preparation for this meeting that line item request right now is 7,000 >> so the traffic signal update is 10,000
>> yes due to the climate >> does OEM have the generators for both intersection >> we have we have three light tower generators that are going to be able to supplement power there's also smaller handheld generators that we got through the 1033 LEO program that be able to my preference would be for the traffic lit
for the light tower generator generators. The other thing too, when there's a state of emergency and we are able to get money back once we hit all of our markers, those light tower generators are going to get us get us refunds when we have to go back and submit. >> Okay.
>> When there is >> So right now, if we had a power failure at Washington and Task, you could bring a light out and power. >> I can bring something over that. >> Have we had to do that yet or not yet? >> Not yet. I've had it there ready and waiting in the event that we had to, which would be the ultimate goal in the
event of >> knowing that a name storm is coming or something along those lines to be prepared, but I haven't had to supplement power at the intersection yet. >> Thank you. Anything else, Mr. Kenny? >> Council President, most importantly, we would uh avoid the wing nut failure on the
>> call you and tell you to go put the stop sign on. >> My my pet peeve. >> Yes. I believe that includ uh concludes the OEM and we'll move on to the fire department. >> Thank you, Mr. Thank you, >> Fire Chief. If we can just start with
the capital requests. Um do you have that in front of you? Yes. So, I just want to set you up here. Um the fire chief did initially request a quantifit testing machine service plan for this year, but we removed it after it was
submitted to the council and that's why we gave you an updated capital plan. He moved the request to 2027. Um the new computers chief for 25 and 27. Uh the new emergency siren system with the voice over alert. Just to
inform the council, we still do have a grant application out there um from Mr. Buno for a device. Uh let's see, where is it? fiscal year 2025 assistance to firefighters grants in the amount of
182,320 to purchase a mass notification system. Uh so just just to let you know as he's speaking with that and then obviously the emergency vehicle warning system for 20,000. >> Can we can we can you tell us what that is if I
>> Yes. Ju just important part before that we're not going to bond that money. I can fund that $20,000 with capital fund balance and chief it's all you. >> Thank you for having me. Um so the quantifit I discussed with the director and we feel that um we want to try for
grants this year. Um we reached out to our grant writer what grants are available. We're going to go for grants and hopefully we can get a grant for it. If not you know next year um new computers our current computers that we have uh you know are 20 years
old. We're, you know, operating with them as best we can and keep updating them as best we can and using our 501c3 to get free software and things we can do with what we got. Um, that's why we'll see the computer for next year. >> Can you can you explain where the
computers are deployed? >> Yes. So, there is computers are we have one on the credit desk and that's the computer that's used to sign in. It also runs our dispatching software right there where when guys come in, you can
see on the screen where the call is, where the nearest hydrants are, who's responding. Um, there are there's a computer in the chief's office. There's one in the deputy chief's office and one in the captain and lieutenant's office, and there's also two computers in the
dispatch uh room, which is our which is the town's backup dispatch center. So are uh unlike the police department where it's a part of the their mobile uh the laptops are part of their mobile
sort of unit. They're not on the trucks. >> No, on the trucks themselves we have iPads. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. >> Uh as Mr. D Carlo said, this siren system, you know, we we did submit for a grant AFG 2025 1082,000. Um so waiting
to hear back from >> that's to replace the horns >> to replace replace the entire system to something that is more up to date >> less maintenance. It also comes with a voice over alert where then police department would be able to announce you know issues like you know bears in the
area or you know curfew there's actual voice over where it could be pre-recorded and they push a button and like okay curfew and it will be announced through the entire town that there's curfew going on. Um it does come with some other features um that honestly they don't have.
>> So we would replace the three horns the one on >> it it would end up replacing the three locations. Well they they would be replaced with newer styles >> but I'm saying but you but at the same location. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. No, we we would not be moving them. >> Um
and then last but not least, uh engine 43 replacement. As you can see, I pushed that off from, you know, this coming year to uh 2028, which and my feelings obviously that truck is still running good with the money that I keep putting into it every year.
>> Um, >> how old is it? >> It's 2005, so we're uh 21 years old. >> I truly feel we can get another 5 to seven years out of this truck. I don't think that, you know, we need to put a million dollar burden on the town right now. >> And when we order it, how long do we
need to get it? So it is a estimate of 18 months to >> Okay. So it's come down a lot from the last time we had to buy truck. >> Yeah. Absolutely. That was when we were like four years. Correct. >> Yeah. It definitely because of co we've gotten better. It's still not great. 18 months is still not a short period of time, >> but it's better than it was.
>> Better than it was. >> So honestly, I think that you know what 2028 is even pushing a little soon. I think 2028 is going to be more of a asking to start committee and then you know to potentially put the money up in 2029 for a delivery in 2030 2031.
>> Okay. >> So just to add a little bit to that is uh starting this year with Mr. Buuno we are going to start requesting through Congressman Godheimr's office uh the finding for that fire truck. when we met with him the other day, we, you know, we
we're joking, but half serious and said, "When can we ask for a firet truck?" So, we know it's a several year project uh process, so we're going to uh start asking for the the funds to for a firetruck. It was recent one of our neighboring towns, I don't remember who it was, was it a hocus
>> somebody got a fire >> from from the So, we are going to try and have it funded through a grant as well. >> Chief Chief, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Rock, paper, scissors. Um, the the fourth uh siren that is no longer there on
Kennedy, do you want one up there? Do you feel the need for one side of the highway or >> I'm going to tell you per my personal feeling? Yes. I would love to have that siren back. Unfortunately, where that pole was located, the uh area overgrew
with wooded area and we just couldn't get back there to maintain it. We also had some issues with uh vandalism. >> Vandalism where they were cutting the power to it and things of that sort. >> Is there a better location up there because really, you know, that side of
town would need some type of it would be nice to have a >> Well, Kennedy and Clark would be nice >> beneficial, but you know what like anything else to, you know, you would need a variance and you know like you're right there. You're grandfathered. So, we can just replace that system there at
that location. No questions asked. >> What about our film? by building a mile high. Put it around the roof. >> Sounds like a kid. >> Filmore. >> Holy. >> Chief, I do have a question if I may. Chief, you talked about I'm sorry. You
>> No, I just So, you would desire one on that side of town? >> I I would I would love for one on that side. >> Is there a way to do it so it could be vandalproof or really? >> Unfortunat Unfortunately, no. I mean, unless uh unless you guys want to approve some cameras for the police department so they can view the whole town. I'm sure they would love it. Well,
we have cameras in all our fields. We could put a camera there, right? >> Put a Wi-Fi camera there. And then >> by the bridge. >> Yeah. It And also, it would be maintaining. At the time when we actually were we went to take it down, we had a DPW with their bucket truck cuz
we couldn't even get our ladder truck in there where there was too much foilage with the branches and things. So, it was difficult to get it down. And and the pole is just sitting vacant right now. We took all the like system off of it, which luckily we did because we actually didn't end up having an issue with one
of our other boxes, so we're able to reutilize that one so we could keep the system going. Um, there's still power there, right? >> Uh, I believe PSNG cut the power off to that pole, so it's I mean it'd be running a new poll anyway, probably. So, >> okay. All right. >> Thank
question. You were you were looking for money and grants. Do you share with the the GIF um safety awards? I know they give $9,000 or $8,000. >> It's not that much. So I I >> Do you get any of that money considering
>> unfortunately department? >> Speaking to Vic Fedini, our insurance agent, he said that we got the platinum award again uh this past year and it's a $2,500, you know, gift to the town and that the town decides where the money goes. I I don't have any. So you have
three safety departments that don't share that award. It should be divided among >> as far as far as I know. I can't speak for the other departments. I can only speak for my department. I know that we don't, you know, reap any funds from the Jeff award. >> So the safety incentive award is $1,750
and it's all the same budget, Mr. Sears. So whether we give it all to the fire department and then have to budget for the police department or give it to the police department, have to budget for the fire department. It's just a shell. >> Well, I mean, all three departments work on the safety issue. It's not fair just
to give it to one. If they're all putting an effort in to meet the safety, >> the police department's not receiving a benefit. The town is >> meaning it's all it's all one budget. That means no statement that that if he
needed money for something, he would get a portion of that money to help offset something, right? >> No, it it's it's not it. Okay, >> you're you're right, Mr. Sears. >> Of course, I am. >> I know. >> All right, let's continue. Mr. >> Um, and the last thing on our capital is
uh that was discussed last year with Mr. Sears about the uh emergency lighting for uh the ESB building. um doing a key fob system that would when the trucks are either leaving or coming back to the firehouse, they'd be able to activate it
and it would be a red and blue light flashing uh with a sign that's lit up that says emergency uh you know emergency apparatus, you know, exiting. Um it's more of a pre-warning system >> inside the building. >> Outside the building. So there be there'll be one uh just west of the ESV.
>> Oh, this is what we should have got with the signal we're talking about. >> Yes. Yes. I uh you know I unfortunately have one copy here but this is what it would look like. You know >> I put them up the wall years ago and what >> they discuss they look a lot like the crosswalk signs. Um they like I said
they are remote activated. >> I've been asking for them for a long time. >> So when we uh when we built the ESB building we originally talked about getting lighting like Hill had with the traffic lights. Unfortunately with the county the county wanted too much with something to do with the intersection and such and so basically it just didn't
happen. So then we had, you know, we had research >> 36,000 for >> we researched this. I believe it's 20,000 in the ask is for the system. Um it's something that and >> 10,000 each. They've come down that much. >> Oh no. So it's 20,000 per total of two. >> Oh, two the two sides.
>> They used to be like 18,000 each when I bought them. >> Oh yeah. No, it definitely come down. Um >> it's uh something came down. >> We we would have to get enough fobs for each vehicle um and the ambulance core as well because they would also be utilizing it. Again, this is not a traffic control device. So, this is not
it's not like, "Hey, that guy didn't stop. I want the cop to write him a ticket." And that that doesn't happen. It's more just a warning device that trucks or vehicles are exiting or entering into that building. >> That's worth $20,000. >> It is. >> Absolutely. We've been asking for that since we built the intersection. Before
we built the inter now, I've seen them in other towns that go across the street versus on either side of the street, right? There's a bar. Um, is that something that is better or >> something that we originally wanted
>> that goes across the street instead of having a little item >> more cost. So, the system that we're doing is it's battery powered uh from the company said that the battery depending on usage anywhere between two to four years. The battery
itself is a is a lawnmower battery. It's not that that big. So, it's about 60 bucks for this battery. Um, and it's also we're getting the solar option to keep the battery triple charged so that it constantly stay, you know, stays charged and will extend the life for the battery. The signs like you're saying that come over the roadways like
Hillsdale has on Hillsdale AB, that requires electricity being ran to each of those lights. That requires >> county approval. >> County approval. It also requires an activation point. So that means that we would have to figure out a way that the police department would have to be able to activate it. So that when I say I'm
I'm back at headquarters, then they could hit the button to be able to activate it. This way with the way we want to go with the keep ups, the guy that's in the truck, the officer clicks the button, the lights. >> My only concern is when you're on the road and you know you're behind traffic,
depending on the height, you can't see it. So when it's above, even if you're in the back of the line, you'll have that >> notice. >> Understood. It's 10 feet high, I believe. >> Yeah, >> it's it's you can So you can actually the pole that you that you buy, you can
get it as high as you would like. >> Um >> I think I want to say you're right. It's about 10 ft high. Is that the uh the sign and and the original flashing light? >> Um anything better than nothing? >> Yes, it is. And I the other one is a bigger project based on your
explanation. I understand that >> just the one across the road just would, you know, let people all the way in the back of the traffic line aware. >> I understand what you're saying. >> It's pretty it's pretty it's pretty bright. >> I would No, I understand what you're saying is that, you know, if you're that guy that's all the way in the back, why
are all these cars stopped? You know, like why, you know, why am I sitting here? You know, there's nothing going on ahead of me. >> Well, they see the flashing lights from the the fire trucks or I understand. >> Yeah. >> So, that that request is on here, you said? >> Yes. Okay. Thank you.
>> Can I just ask one question going back? I know it uh has been moved out a year. The quantifit. >> Yes. >> Um >> what does that do? Because I thought you I thought the uh fire department
received a grant and purchased a fit machine for their masks or testing. >> No. So when you when when you visited the uh the FB building with Mr. the car level. You you saw the unit that we were borrowing from our Pacific Valley mutual
aid uh group. Um the quantifit is a fit testing machine that every year our firefighters have to fit test with their SCBA mask to tell us that they can wear a mask, you know, into a burning building if need um or CO alarm,
whatever it may be. >> Every year we have to fit test. Uh we borrow part of our mutual aid group We have one. We all share it. We all get it for a month at a time and then it goes on to the other department. >> Yeah. >> The biggest issue with that that we run
into is that I have members that are college kids. I have members that, you know, that they go away or they take a leave and when they come back now I'm chasing down this machine of where it is. I've run into an issue a couple of times. Pathic Valley sends their machine
out in the summertime to go get calibrated. Now I got a I have a kid that came back from college that's like I want to ride the truck. I'm like not get fit tested and then we're actually paying to get them fit tested because we can't use the machine that we know that we use in our group because it's out for
service. >> So it's more about being self-sufficient um and not having to rely on someone else with this machine. Um the co the cost of the machine itself is roughly about 11,000. Um the originally the
request was for believe 18,000. I put the request in that included a 5year service plan that include picked up delivery. Um it included you know any miscellaneous parts it may need. It would have been all covered for 5 years >> and calibration as well. >> Calibration as well for for 5 years. So
that's why I I asked for that a little bit more because when I asked how much it was to send it out, you know, they told me so it's $800 for the calibration. and it's another $300 in shipping costs because you have to insure the unit. Um, and then plus parts
and labor. So, they said usually it's about $1,500 a year. I'm saving money right off the bat for 5 years by doing the service plan. >> So, that's why originally I asked for that. Will the price of the unit go up by next year? I don't know. You're your guess is as good as mine, but I'm
willing to take that chance. you know, >> if I can get a grant for it, you know, even if the grant only covers 80%, it's still saving the town money, you know. >> Absolutely. >> That that is my goal here is, you know, is to not, you know, when I don't need it. >> Thank you.
>> Can I ask the chief a question? >> Sure. >> Chief, going back to the signage, the warning system, uh, the ambulance would be able to utilize that also, correct? Yeah. Just just want to put that. >> He did. No, he did say they were going to buy clickers for the ambulance. >> Oh, I'm sorry if I missed that. We could if if the council wanted we could buy
clickers for the the county ambulance as well. >> Yeah, we have to stick that. >> Yeah, we'd have to have a fair to their vehicle so that they exit or anything. >> I apologize. I missed when you said that. >> You did say that. >> Anything else for Mr. >> If uh if you're concluded with the capital, I just want to bring uh the
council's attention to budget lines. If we can just uh speak about them while you're here. If council could please go in their budget binder to page 34. What was it? >> 34. >> Uh down towards the bottom, you'll see
fire department dispatch services line 60125265365. Uh we requested 3,000. Unfortunately, a price increase came in after the um the budget was turned over to the council. We're requesting to respectfully increase it to 4,275
and I'd like it to uh you know give it over to the fire chief to explain what happened there. >> So as Mr. D Carlo said unfortunately I just got the invoice back in end of January. >> What does this include, Mr. Adam? >> So this includes our I am responding
software which we signed a 5-year agreement uh two years ago. So that one's locked in at $660 a year. Th this also includes is codes. That's our reporting software. Um it's also it there's a onetime fee of $500 included
in there. So we will go down by $500 next year for the nearest reporting software which is our software that we use to uh give our reports to the federal government. Um our uh this system also codes is also how uh we
enter all our reports into everything that we're trying to go green, get rid of paper and you know we've had this code system now for about three years. Um and we we're almost honestly 100%. There's a there's been a
lot of tweaking to make it work for the fire department and they've been very they've been very good to us. Yes. and it's going to cut our time down and it's also going to save us on other things. Um, with the iPads, the co, you actually have an app in the app. Our truck checks
will all be on the iPads through through this system >> and it'll track it always. >> It's going to track it. It'll it will it tells me when my gear is expiring. It tells me when somebody's certification is expiring. That's great. >> Um, it's all through this app, Coach. anything to make your life easier because you guys do enough for our town
as volunteers and if if that's going to make your life good. >> Yeah. my my predecessor at my at my firehouse back home is the CEO and founder of the program and everything with it and I use
it to the fullest extent by me and I've been working with with them on their familiarization with it and it has anything to make your lives and track and make your lives easier and safer for your equipment and everything is a great asset. So I appreciate that. >> Just just to clarify
the line says dispatch services. It has nothing to do with dispatch, does it? >> It does. It does. So when when we are dispatched via VR pagers, there is a CAD report that goes out. That CAD report goes to the code system. So that's what creates the call in in the actual code
system. So when we go to sign in at night for the call, it's on a computer screen and it's already got all the information inputed into it by ours. >> So everybody that responded that they're coming to the call is already up on the screen. You're saying >> up on the screen. >> And does that track to LOAP too? So it knows who's on the call.
>> So that's that soft code software is also doing our credit system and our low tracking. >> Okay. >> And I don't know Mr. D. Carlo if you were going to ask about it but the building maintenance.
>> Yeah. I have a whole whole thing for you. If if everyone was done with the dispatch I' I'd bring everybody's attention please to page 35. >> So the new recommend and request is 4275 on page 34. Yes sir. Um, okay. So, building maintenance,
there's a note there for onetime page >> 45. Sorry. >> ESB building maintenance. >> Yep. Two down. Onetime electrical expense of 10,200, which the uh the chief will explain before he does that. Um, on top of the 31,000, I explained in
my email that I request to increase 2,000 for HVAC repairs and the chief will explain that. and then an additional $2,900 um to alter one of the doors uh controlled by JCT, the DEFOB system. So,
if if approved for everything, I would respectfully request to increase 31,000 by 4,900. >> So, 35900. >> Uh no, uh 32 36,000. >> 36 Oh, you want >> No, no, you're right. You're right. I thought that said 100. I got to get
better glasses now. up 31,000 plus 4,900. So it would be 35,900. >> That is the new request. And and >> that's the new request and we'd like to just run you through. And Chief, if you want to start with the onetime electrical expense of the 10,200, which
the council does have uh the quotes for, but if you can explain. >> Okay. So you have the quotes in front of you. So I reached out to Advance Electric to have them come and give me an estimate last year. Um so unfortunately I think it was an oversight when the building was built that we didn't put any exterior outlets
on the front of the building. Um this persist to become a problem for us because when we are have the trucks outside for whatever it may be whether it's repairing a building or um if it's during our inspection week we have no way we have to run extension cords from
inside the building outside also any of our holiday decorations. Um the ambulance corp is running an extension cord out one of their windows to get to the Christmas tree that's in front of our our building. Um which case poses a security risk because you know what at any given time you know someone could
pop that window open. I have no problem talking about this now. We have a year to fix that. Um so I I requested that they give us a quote for some outdoor outlets. Uh, I believe it was four two two by the bays, one by our front of our radio room and
one by the front of the ambulance course radio room. The other quote is for rear exterior lighting, one uh LED light fixture to match what is on the building. When you go around the back of the building, that's how our guys are
going to the gear room at nighttime. As soon as you turn the corner around the generator, it is pitch black. You can see the light for the gear room that's above the gear room door, but there is a 40 foot section of just blackness. Um, so we're just looking to put one light there just so that
>> wall packed. It would just be a wall >> would be wall mounted facing down. Um, you know, something that would not be projecting out so that it's not bothering any of the neighbors that are back there. So that it would just be facing down. Um, and the last but not least, which is big to me, is you'll see
one for three oscillating wall-mounted fans. Um, in the bays, which, uh, I know Mr. Omen has seen, you know, the bay floors, you have 18t high ceilings. It's very, very high. It's meant for the trucks. Um, the heating units in there
that work very well. Don't get me wrong, they work well, but the problem is is that the heat rises to the 18t high and there's no way to get it back down. I spoke to a couple HVAC guys. I spoke to the electrician and like how can I work this so that I can I really originally
wanted to put some ceiling fans in, you know, but unfortunately with the heating system, the ventilation system, um the lighting, everything that's up there, there's no space. So, we came up with a plan to put three oscillating fans mounted through all the back walls of the firehouse. There will be an onoff
switch to each fan as well as a speed control. Um, and they all feel that a this will lower our heat costs in in the building because we'll be able to put them on a low setting in the winter time to blow the heat down from the higher point and keep it down below at the
floor where the thermostats are. Um, also in the summertime, as Councilman Sears can tell you, uh, it gets very stagnant in the bays because there is no air movement whatsoever. Um, so it it it gets very hot, very humid in there. Um,
which I'm not asking to put air conditioning in there. I'm just asking to put some fans in there so I can just move some air. Are >> you doing anything for the ambulance? >> Get bearable. >> Are we doing the same thing on the ambulance side or >> I do not approach the ambulance? >> Their se cuz their ceiling is just as high, is it? Or not? Not really. I I believe it is. is not as high as the fire department is.
>> But I mean, if we're doing it, we're doing it. I'd rather do it once and not have them then come back and say, "Hey, we should get fans, too." >> Basically, they would need one. >> Basically, I would say if anything, they would need the one in the center bay. Unfortunately, the way the our building is built, you know, with the it juts out
for where 41 and 44 go. They're longer trucks. That's where I have the three because I have one in the corner by the by the stairwell that goes up to the offices, then one on the next corner right by the edge of 41 and one in the back corner by where the boat is. Um I
feel that it it could be a bene benefit to you know the town which energy saving costs. Um and it would be a benefit to the department. >> And this is all in the 10,200. >> This is all Yeah, it's all built in in that 10,200. We got to get one more fan for the ambulance, >> which is about $2,000 based on the quote
if you wanted. >> And I mean based on a quote that again I I this quote is from October 1325 just you're aware. So hopefully the price has not changed much but I mean Advance is one of the town's vendors. >> Okay. >> Thank you.
>> The um the bays aren't conditioned in the summer. No, we have we have one exhaust fan that's in behind 41 that if it was to get to 120 degrees in air, it will come on to vent out the hot air,
but that's it. There's no there's no air movement whatsoever. We've actually went went as far as taking some of our pres uh sorry uh positive pressure fans, putting them on our catwalk, just blowing air into the base just to move air. Um, it's been uh it's been
difficult. It's it was it was Listen, it was an oversight when the building was built. It just wasn't thought of. And you know what? Now we're just trying to correct them. >> Did you want to add the 2,000 for the vote? >> Well, let's find out if that's the cost and
>> well, let's make sure they need it. Let's ask them if >> Okay. Yeah. >> I believe that can include I mean, your your budget's pretty straightforward. Do you remain consistent uh with all last year's asks >> uh except for the two other items that
we incre in increased if if you want me to explain. >> Does the council have any other questions with the fire budget? One was the uh the chief dinner. Every other year they asked to fully fund it. >> Y >> and then what was the other one? >> Scott pack complaints. >> Scott pack. That wasn't much though, was
it? >> No, that was a that was an increase of $550.80. We have 18 Scott bottles that are due for hydro this year. There will be an increase again next year um because it's we have 27 bottles coming up next year,
but then after that the you know it'll come down >> like $900. >> And just remember we did this. So >> we staggered them so we didn't have the big like last time we had to buy every single Scott pack because it was >> so it's planned it's actually planned
out very well by the chief. >> I'm glad that be replaced. >> Yeah, we did. We did ask for that cuz that was important. You don't want to buy, you know, >> what 40 Scott packs or 50 Scott packs we had to buy last time. >> Yeah. Five close to >> is that now going to be part of the
ongoing current budget or >> are purchases going to be required in the capital >> further to replace the Scott packs in that time >> for the Scott packs when they >> we probably have I mean let's see we started then we probably have a good six
to at least I'd say a minimum of six years until you're even thinking about replacing them. >> Okay. >> And then in which case because we staggered them, we'll only have to purchase the first the first balance will be like six, you know, and then the next function will be five and then the next function will be
>> as long as we have to purchase 40 again. >> No, the way we did it last time was like I want to say it was like five five and then 10. I think it's 25 total. It might be 26, but uh yeah, as long as we keep doing that. >> I think that's what we did. So yes, I mean they right now what does a Scott
pack go for? I couldn't tell you off the top of my head. I'd say somewhere in the range of 9,000 per. Um they're they're not cheap, but as long as we stay in compliance with NFPA, um then we're good. Um it takes certain
certain changes in NFPA that would require us if we can't upfit the the pack where we'd have to replace it. >> Yeah. Because last time our packs were sold, we couldn't upfit them and we had to get rid of them. >> Exactly. >> Exactly.
>> All right. Just summarizing, Chief, if you can just get us an upto-date quote on the electrical. >> Absolutely. No problem at all. >> Thank you. And then uh >> with with one for the ambulance score >> if we let's just confirm with Mr. Dal. You can >> Yes, I'll speak to the ambulance score and then if we can just confirm that
those prices are good, >> uh that would be great. >> Anything else, Chief? Oh, did you uh you want to discuss the JCT or >> Yes. I'm sorry. I'm trying to go too fast. >> Yeah. No, I got you. I I have it in front of me. So, JCT uh the door the the
door that leads from the bay floors to uh the lobby has uh has a key fob on one side and had a push button on the on the other side. The push button that we have there has been replaced three times already. It's broken again currently. So right now that door is unlocked where
anyone that's in the building can get into the fireside. We're not happy about it, but it is what it is. Um what speak sitting down with JCT trying to figure out better solution than this button because this button obviously just from multiple presses. Um the first button is you had to tap it. Second button you had
to hold it, it got stuck and then it it broke. Whatever the case may be. Um we want to put a door sensor in. Basically it would be a bar about 6 in long above the door. soon as you walk in front of the door, it would recognize you and then the door would unlock. That's what
that uh 2880 is for from JC Solutions. Hopefully, this will also fix all of our constant issues with this door and then the door can be secured, you know, from the rest of the building. >> Okay. Do you mind just doing the HVAC? >> The HVAC. So, Phoenix, uh unfortunately,
we had a gas leak in the firehouse. Um we actually had two gas leaks in the firehouse. Um so the HVAC units that are above the bay floors uh one of them had an issue where it actually the pipe actually separated where uh where the fl where the flame is actually shooting
through and it was putting uh gas and carbon monoxide into the building. Um this was only noticed by a member which in which case then that Monday night we shut the gas off to the unit. We contacted the administrator. We got the company to come out repair it. Um,
>> stupid question. We don't have a carbon monoxide detector in there. >> You know, not an 18t high ceiling. No. >> Shouldn't we have one some You know what? It's funny. We should, you know what? Um, I honestly I'd say there probably is one. I think it was just caught by a member so fast that
>> um >> and you got a lot of fresh air probably coming through the >> Well, as soon as we as soon as we started smelling the gas, all the bait doors went open. So that now you know now you're v you're venting everything out. So they came, they they repaired it. Um and then another unit on the other side of the building, all of a
sudden we were smelling gas. Found out that one of the couplers went bad. So they had to come back. They had to replace it. Um since they have fixed all the issues, we had we've had no issues with the units since they came. Um I do not feel that this was at fault of the
company that installed it. I think it is just wear and tear and you know, and usage. um you know since they were installed they've never been looked at. I'm sure that there are they probably are something that need to be looked at maybe once a year but you know I think
our current company Wellen and I it does not service them and that's why they were not looked at every year because I believe that's correct. Well and I said that they that's not something they worked on. >> They weren't when we called them to see if they were capable of fixing it um
they were not. So then we thought, let's get a hold of the company and actually install them. One, check to see if it's under any type of warranty. So that's when we called in Phoenix. Phoenix, it was not under warranty anymore, of course. >> But Phoenix was able to to fix it for us. Believe it or not, the hype had a
big we called like I think three companies before it dawned on me, why don't we just call Phoenix that installed it. Um, and people didn't want to get involved with it because it was one gas and two because of the hype and the air. >> Yeah. Don't we have a service contract with whiz? Don't
>> we do it's not it's not for the gas the natural gas like pipes and yeah it it's for the furnaces and all the filters and things like that. They come twice a year to to but they don't they don't climb up towards the ceiling, you know, to check.
>> And thank God Westward DPW came over with their pickup truck with their truck >> bucket truck. We were able to pull the bucket truck into the bay >> and get up there >> where we can get to shut the gas off and then they uh fire department dropped off a 25 foot ladder
>> for us to use. also >> 18 18t uh 18 foot ladder which you know we have now >> purchased one and waiting for ladder >> a fire department doesn't have a ladder >> an A-frame ladder not not a straight
ladder something that you know where you can climb up it especially with a concrete floor >> we'll give you that one >> I just so is there a lesson
>> somewhere from >> how long has that building been in production? Four years. >> I think we got the conditional in 23 and then the you know the what do they call that the yeah the co the substantially complete
co. So I think when when did would you guys inhabit that? I honestly don't remember. It was I want to say it was 2023 that we had to call and we said, "All right, get out of your building." You know, because we're knocking it down next week. So, uh I believe it was 2023. >> Yeah.
>> I think we're at like approaching a three three year mark. >> So, in three years, we've we had two issues. >> Yes. >> So, we're putting in a new building
>> for the DPW. I mean is there like does something like this make its way to the discussion with the DPW? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes, it will. We we learned we had all our list of learned lessons. You know,
obviously, you know, something we will discuss when it gets that far, but I don't know if it's the same system with, >> you know, the natural gas. >> This is the court for the budget because we're not going to do anything but the police chief. So, he can get off if he wants. But yes, we will make sure we it's all discussed.
>> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> Unmute yourself. >> Was there anything else? >> Is Mr. Corkin on for the budget? Because we're not going to get to the budget. So >> yeah, to actually approving lines, you mean? >> Yeah, we're not approving lines because it's 9:15 and I'm sorry, Mr. Corkin. I didn't realize you were still on. So you
can, if it's okay with the mayor, I don't we don't need you tonight. We'll need you at the next meeting. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Get out of here, everyone. >> Thomas not come up with any new things and you'll be on right away. >> Okay. No problem. Take care. Um, if you don't mind, we'll switch over to the police. And if uh, Chief, if we can
start with >> Chief, I you got if you want to go, we don't need you for the police. >> We'll Well, >> we do. >> Yeah. Uh, >> oh. >> Yeah. I have a plan here. Don't punch me in the face. Everybody's got a plan. Um, with the chief's capital request, the
one request is the phase two off-site backup for dispatch, and it does involve the OEM and the fire department. So, Chief, if we can just talk about that. It is uh something that we understand would uh the council may feel might not
be necessary if the dispatch outsourcing was initiated, but we do feel it is. Uh so we'd like you just to kind of hear us out here. Um it's something that we desire even if it does go to the uh outsourcing for the dispatch and chief of you and if uh OEM and fire department
has any supporting facts, I respectfully ask you to help out there. So, we're starting off with the uh >> yeah, you'll go to the PD tab in the small binder and page two of the police capital request number four. >> Good evening, Chief.
>> Hello. Thank you for having me. Um yeah, so uh number four there, what we're still looking to do is obviously finish the the backup, uh office at the ESB building. um that would still be needed
regardless of any outcome with dispatch. Uh we already have a radio system um that's in there. This is for the uh computer system that would be required in there in case of a catastrophic uh uh
incident in our PD headquarters where we had to move there for temporary uh basis. Um, also a uh a remote phone system that uh we're trying to uh get our our handle on how much that would cost to to remote in our system kind of
like what the county does. Um we couldn't rely on them um for an extended period of time. So these are uh it's like a go box that you basically purchase and uh you know where you utilize the Wi-Fi similar in that nature. Um we have uh had conversations
with FirstNet um who offers uh some some really robust systems. So um >> is FirstNet Verizon or is that >> that's AT&T. >> Doesn't Verizon do this for us free under their under their plan? >> No, but uh AT&T FirstNet does have a uh
like a proprietary uh system just for first responders. So um it's something we're looking at uh that could save some the town some money as well uh versus Verizon. Um, that's a that's a conversation for a later time. Um, but this this system is basically finishing
that room. Um, you know, as as the fire chief said, you know, his computers are old. We don't even have one there. So, if we had to do anything there, we don't have a computer right now in that building. Um, and we have no phone system. All we have is a uh basically
like a uh small backup radio system there um with its own antenna. That's the only thing that we've done that was part of phase one. Um, this would be phase two in in order to to at least still function as a police department with access to our CAT system and uh
possibly, you know, writing, you know, a report or anything else that we might have to do until we got something set up temporarily. Just say we had a fire in in the PD headquarters, you know, we would be out, who knows, indefinitely. So, we would still need a space to be
able to function out of. >> Couldn't we ask some of our surrounding neighbors for help with that? >> I'm sure we could, but >> hope that doesn't occur. I don't >> honestly I I don't know how that would work. Um, you know, we would have to move a lot of stuff. Hopefully, it never
happens. Um and again this is something that you know you're doing in hopes that you never have to use it but unfortunately it is it is something that we would need and it would benefit also OEM because they could also work out of it and same with the fire department. Um
you know it would give us that redundancy that we would need regardless of any other movements that might be made in the future. >> I'm sorry. Um that's a good thought but there's possibility that surrounding departments may be um experiencing the same
catastrophe as us such as large flooding large storm stuff something like that and then I'm sorry >> um was this a uh noted as a deficiency in the accreditation process?
>> Uh yes. Well, we need to have a backup. Yes, >> we have a backup for a computer system. We need a backup for our communications as well as um you know our day-to-day operation so to speak.
Just so you guys are aware, the worst case scenario has happened previous previous to the ESB building. The generator that's in the basement of the police department started pumping carbon dioxide into the building. So they had to evacuate the police station. >> So they came over to the firehouse, the
old firehouse. Um, and the county sent down this Tahoe that had 5,000 radios in it and they said they could hook up and they can dispatch our cars. They can do everything. So, we don't we don't need to do we don't need to go to other channels. None of it worked. Not one
single thing. They couldn't communicate with our cars. They couldn't dispatch our fire department. Couldn't dispatch our couldn't do any of it. And so our police department was sitting at a mobile, you know, a little mobile radio at at the fire department desk calling their cars, you know, I think the 911
calls were coming to Ridgewood. Like it it was a cluster. We made it work. And so we were able to fix the issue with the generator. Mhm. >> But now with this, you know, by law that we have to have this backup center, which Clay can definitely fill in more than I can, um,
you know, it it's beneficial to the town, especially, you know, especially your emergency services, you know, is being able to dispatch because if we lose here, as we already found out when we tested it when we covered Emerson, county can't dispatch us. So I they
can't call the county and say, "Dispatch my fire." Didn't work. We tried it. So the only deal I can dispatch us right now is our current police station and the antiquated equipment that we have at the firehouse. >> Okay. >> Part of documents though that I have to fill out have to show that we have some sort of backup as part of our emergency
operations plan for the township as a whole. Right now it does have that listed with the little bit of capabilities that we have now. This would be able to wrap everything up and it's it's difficult because we're trying to plan for a whatif scenario and maybe a worst case scenario. or the gentlemen
that sit on either side of me make their bread on helping people in their what if scenarios. >> I just don't want it to end up like the ALPRs are still waiting for. >> Picking it up on Wednesday, picking up the car on Wednesday. So, >> so remember the vehicle got an ALPR.
>> Yeah. What about the >> we're on the schedule for the the traffic lights. So, you don't understand the hoops we had to jump through, the permits that we had to get, um the permissions we had to get from Verizon and um everybody else that owns the
polls and Yeah, >> you better have an update for you because you were going to ask. Thank you for >> But we are picking up the car. The car is complete. >> Car's complete. We'll be able to >> complete. Yep. >> It's automatic, right? There's no turning it on and off. It automatically automatically goes on. It's on service. We're going to go down on Wednesday.
They're going to give us a tutorial on how it all works. Uh we're getting all the important thing was the traffic signal is more important than the car park because the car is limited. That's got every single person >> Yes. And that also has video >> Yeah. I mean that's the whole the hub of the valley right there coming cheating
that doesn't want to go to Lake. >> But there's a lot of cogs in that wheel. Um once once the company installs them on the poles then we have to wait for the county to connect it. We got to wait for PSG to power it. There's there's so many permits and and requests. Um, but
I'm hoping that, you know, >> a lot of PSG employees in town that >> we know some people at the county. So, you know, we'll uh as soon as they uh they get them on the polls, we will move heaven and earth to get those up and running. So, >> thank you. And uh Clayton and Chief, if you want to
>> excuse yourselves, it's going to be Chief. >> Thank you, Clayton. Thank you very much. >> Thank you for the explanations. >> Chief, did you want to start with the uh two frontline patrol parts? >> Yeah. So, you know, as we've done in the past, you know, we've been asking for
two vehicles um each year. Um for the last four years, we've been uh we've been accepting one um been given one and uh unfortunately that that that is coming due. That um that formula has really started to cost um a lot in our
maintenance budget. Um year to date right now, I'm at $9,500 in repairs and I got 2,000 pending. um the outcome of this budget hearing. Um so I'm already, you know, a third of my way through my ask. Um and I I don't see that going
down. Um you know, these vehicles run 24/7. Um they have a ton of idle hours on them. They're going through their warranties quicker. Um, you know, last year we were able to get a few new cars,
but they were a 23 car, 24 car, and eventually a 25 car that just went online uh three 3 weeks ago. So, you know, it that was a nice boost, but they're running all the time, so they do get a lot of abuse. Um, you know, it's
well over 20,000 miles per vehicle uh per year. um the maintenance cost, the tires that we go through, um you know, if we don't refresh them at a a quicker pace, what's going to happen is probably by the end of this year, I'm going to be
coming to you and asking for five vehicles because that's what happened in 2019, um you know, we got to the point where we had no vehicles left and then we had to ask for like five vehicles and we had to expend a lot more money all at once.
Um, you know, if we can at least keep it at one, I'd prefer two, obviously, um, you know, we can hopefully keep these vehicles fresh and not as beat up as they they are getting. Um, my fleet is pretty old at this point. Uh, we have
eight, uh, frontline vehicles. The ALPR car is one of them. Um, that is a 22 car that we repurposed for that. Um, so that that should hold up pretty well. um that should be on the road pretty much every single day as well. So, um you know, we
do the best we can with what we got. Um that's all I can tell you. You know, if we don't keep up with purchasing new vehicles and now we can finally get them um you know, at a at a decent uh time frame, whereas, you know, there were
those couple years where, you know, we waited over a year for a vehicle. um you know, we we can get them a lot quicker and hopefully get them upfitted, you know, within a month and get them on the road at a much quicker pace. Um so
that's that's it on the the actual frontline cars. Um I also proposed a uh another ask for vehicles, but this was for our outside billing details. These are the details where we work for the utility companies and we close roads and
stuff. We have a very old fleet there. Um, we have four vehicles that we currently use, one of which is a 1033 pickup. Um, the other three vehicles are um, we'll say tired cuz they were patrol vehicles
to start with. Um, they have well over 89 91 82,000 miles. Um, last year alone they cost us $10,000 in repairs. Um, like I said, one of those vehicles.
Right now, I'm holding on to a $2,000 bill for front end uh work that is needed. Um, but I'm holding off to see where we we wind up with this. >> Those are selfunded vehicles. >> Yes, they do. They they more than pay for themselves. And that's that's where this uh proposal um is beneficial to the
town in many ways. We're proposing uh purchasing, which is, you know, it's a larger ask, but purchasing three Ford hybrid Mavericks to replace our three uh very aged out vehicles. Um these vehicles with upfitting, which is at a
minor, um a minor version of what we typically do in a patrol car cuz we don't need everything in there. They're about $39,000 each. Um very minimal graphics. It's just basically to get them on the road. Um, >> so this doesn't include upfr. >> No, that includes the upend.
>> 39,000 includes up. >> Yes. Yeah. So the 117 is for all three. Yeah. 118, I'm sorry. 118 um is for the three of them to replace the other three, which then we could get rid of, you know, those three vehicles. >> What about the other 19 vehicles? Are we
going to get rid of some of those? >> No, unfortunately not. Um, we've we get we get rid of whatever we can when we get new vehicles. Um, >> seems like we have a lot of vehicles sitting there. It seems like it until like last week if you >> 19 plus >> it is it is 20 vehicles. Um
>> no it's more >> but if you look at I have eight patrol vehicles that are my frontline vehicles. These are fully upfitted. They have the the computers. The these are the ones with all the equipment in the back. Okay. Those vehicles I had five of those
out last week. Okay. Into this week now I have four this week. I got one back. So yeah, we have a lot of vehicles that looks like in the lot, but four of those vehicles are SLO vehicles. They're out every single day. They go to the schools and then my SLEO 2 is in the other
fourth one. The four other vehicles. Okay, now we're up to eight. That's my traffic cars that we just spoke about. Okay, we have an admin vehicle. We have two admin vehicles. Um we have a 1033 vehicle that doesn't really cost us
much. And then we have a detective's car and we have a motorcycle. Um, it's really not that much when you really look at it. Um, I know it looks like a lot, but we take two or three cars that are down and we don't have anything to drive around in. So, and that's the
problem we're we're starting to run into. Um, like I said, five vehicles last week and I'm I'm shuffling around guys in old vehicles throwing equipment in them. They don't have computers, so they're at a deficiency. They can't do their jobs
properly without the equipment. Um, you know, that's all I I could say. This plan, if adopted, um, you know, those vehicles would more than pay for themselves from the outside billing money. Um,
>> what did we do in outside billing in 2025? Uh >> I'll look at your revenue sheet sir in the front of the I can get the number for you but if you look at >> if you don't mind >> so 2025 we realize 195,46
$460. >> Do we anticipate doing that again? >> Well again we we try to go conservative because we never know what vendors are going to you know uh >> that's what I'm saying. Do we have cuz we had a lot of PSE and G work last year. So, >> well, last year was actually a slow year.
>> So, we we back in the day, you know, before it slowed down, um we were averaging over 200 250 um just on the cars. So, you know, if some of that money was put back into these vehicles, we could, you know, easily, you know, put these vehicles on the road for a
nominal price. They're pickup trucks. We're not going to abuse them as much because we're going to throw everything in the back. These vehicles are going to last, you know, in my opinion, easily 10 years with no issues. They're hybrids, so they're not fully electric, so we don't have to worry about that fully
electric stuff, but it will save on gas because when they're sitting there idling, they will drop to the battery. You get less wear and tear on the engine, and it's still charging the system. So, you know, I I think it's a it's a win-win. Um, not only for the
department, for the environment, and for the overall cost. Um, if we purchase these vehicles, you have threeear warranty. So, you know, you're not going to incur any cost other than oil changes, maybe a flat tire, but you're not even going to wear out tires in
three years because they don't really go too far. They're not on patrol. They're not going around the town. They go to a location and they kind of sit. So, um, you know, >> I think it makes sense. >> Question. They're hybrids, so where are they going to be charged? >> They don't need to be charged. They have
battery packs, but they have a motor that charges the battery packs. >> Okay. >> So, they're not a fully electric EV vehicle. >> Okay. >> The just a question on the outside billing, the revenue side. Yes. Is that
is that net or gross? So, >> so what was it? 195, >> right? So, that's that's our tape from the 35% the vehicle fee and then there's like an equip fee.
>> So, that's that's >> that doesn't include the officer salaries. >> No, >> no, >> they pay that separate. >> No, this is what the township made. >> That's okay. Yeah. Um, and just a question, Chief, the the SEO,
uh, the SLEO3s, those are the school resources resource room. >> They have a car. It's a Yes, >> it's a requirement or it's >> Yes, that was part of the agreement that they have a black and white in front of the school to hopefully, you know, show that there's always a police officer
there. So, >> thank you. >> Which we we want to do. They have some of the oldest cars, but again, they don't really go anywhere. They don't cost us that much, but they are >> back and forth to school. >> That's it. Yeah. So, it's minimal uh the cost so far with those vehicles. Um it's
been pretty minimal, but you know, they are aging vehicles. They're 17s and 18s. Um yeah, you know, 21 18s, 217s. So, you know, older patrol vehicles, but they're they're in good shape. And, you know, we
don't foresee any issues there. So, can I >> ask a question about Sure. >> Chief, if these three work out well for well for the outside, could you see in a year or two, could you do these for the schools also cuz they don't need to be full patrol vehicles?
>> No. As long as they they look like a patrol car >> and the school does pay us. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. The agreement is that they they pay for any equipment and stuff, you know, a vehicle. We might have to negotiate that, but >> Okay. um you know because that's a
little bit higher cost and we have a fourth school that's coming online so we have to consider that as well. >> Chief, did you also explain to the council that if they did approve these three purchases you you feel that you could reduce your request in the police vehicle line?
>> Yeah, I would I would hope that I would be able to I I increased it to 30,000 on my uh my maintenance budget. We went I think 37 last year >> if I remember correctly. um off the top. >> Are we going to auction some police vehicles off? >> Yeah, we could we could definitely uh
auction at least two of them. We might need one of them for this fourth SEO3 that is uh just hit my desk this week. So request >> that's in town school. >> Yes. Yes. So I'll talk about that. >> That should that should probably be a
closed >> Yeah. No, I'm not asking them which one it is. There's only one left. Sorry. Right. >> Okay. What about the rifles? What are we doing with these rifles? >> So, what we've been doing, um, our rifles are closing in on 10 years old.
Um, each officer has one. We've been slowly updating them with new uh, rifles. We've been using our our line uh under guns and ammos and we've been purchasing like three or four rifles each year. Um, so
we got half the department done. This ask would complete the other half. We're at the point now where we have to do a lot of maintenance on the rifles, where we have to go with trigger springs and rebuilds of the moving parts within the rifles.
We're estimating that around $5,000ish um because we need armor schools for our officers as well. Um which they don't come that often. So, um, this would convert the rest of the
department over in one shot and then my entire department would have new rifles in their hands. Um, and then we wouldn't have to talk about this for another five to six years. So, >> Chief, you also said if you were able to get the funding for this, you could reduce >> Yes.
>> the ammunition line. So, we did ask for $2,000 more in our guns and ammo line. That was um in hopes that we could maybe instead of getting three guns, maybe get five guns. But if I can get the capital ask, I could reduce that back to down to
the uh original of last year's ask on that. Um you know, again, this is these these things just take so much wear and tear. They're being fired four times a year for our qualifications and uh you know it just they require maintenance
and there are better weapons out there. These are are better units. Uh we're putting colts in in the hands of our officers versus our older uh weapons. And then um if this is able to to come to fruition, we are in the process of
actually working with the county to demo the new generation of Glock guns. Um, sorry it's a little bit of a a tangent, but um, we're actually going uh this week and uh we're doing a demo uh with different vendors and stuff and we
actually have have put this in motion to uh put out the new generation of the Glock which corrects some of the issues that you may have seen on the news. Um, and that may parlay its way into us getting updated handguns with virtually
no cost uh additional cost. I would be able to do it within my budget um and trade in my other rifles. It's all contingent upon, you know, if I get the capital ask, then I'll have enough rifles to barter to get the updated guns
with the trade in and I might be able to do where this year we have all new guns and then we don't have to bother you guys for at least 5 to 7. >> When do we know if that was that? Do you need the capital for? Yeah, I mean I would just need to know, you know, if if we're doing the the capital, if we think
that's a that's an approved thing, then I could move forward then with getting the the cost. I've gotten a preliminary cost and I think uh you know, we can make it work >> for for a nominal cost, which would be a huge improvement for our department as well. >> We'll get back to you. And uh chief and
council president, going to the police vehicle line, you requested an increase from 23 to 30, but you felt you could reduce it back down to a request of 23 if you were able to get the capital approved for the three side job cars.
>> I'd be careful with that low, but uh yeah, I mean I I Wow. Okay. We we spent 37 last year. So, um you know, I only went to 30, but like I said, I'm at 95 right now. Um you know,
I can't foresee what's going to break, what's not. I got a a transmission right now. Um that went in one of my mainline cars, so that's $7,000 with a fuel pump. So, you know, things cost a lot of money now. So, um but yes, I could reduce that line. Um you know, I'd probably feel
more comfortable around 25. um in hopes that you know the rest of the fleet you know continues to run efficiently. >> Anything else, Mr. Carlin? >> Um if if if you could hear me out for a second. One, I I do really want to
extend my appreciation for uh allowing the exchange with department heads from council president and the council. I thank you. Um, there was about six or seven lines I want to go through with the police chief, but I I do realize it's getting late and it will take a
little bit time. Would council consider >> Can we ask the chief to come back to those lines if he thinks he needs to? >> That Well, that's what I was going to ask you. If you're going to start with the police next time and actually if we don't have any if we don't have any uh distractions. >> It's seven lines, right? Is that what
we're looking at? >> No. Well, if you just hear me out for one second, there's there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven lines >> that we wanted to have the chief available because it involves an increase. >> But if you were willing to invite the police chief to come back, I was going
to ask if you could have the out >> first the outsourcing the dispatch outsourcing conversation as well >> next week. >> Okay. Can't in 20 minutes >> next. >> No, because we're not doing out. >> Is it next Monday? >> Yeah. >> I'm not available. How about the calling on there? We'll be here.
>> Hey, Mike. What time? Seven. >> Yeah, we can get you >> flying in around 5:30. >> You want to keep the dispatch? >> What about if it's later, Chief Car? Is later better? >> Yeah, I mean, my flight's coming in at 5:30, so >> Oh, so we can do it later. We'll do one
again. >> Yeah, exactly. >> I I don't feel we need fire DPW back. You heard everything you need to. It's just there's a bunch of lines that are associated with the the dispatch. >> I think few lines that are dispatch. >> I'd like to have full I'd like to not be
doing it at 9:45 at night when we're all, >> you know, tired and ready to go. So, >> you got to get more sleep, Mike. That's a problem. >> I got plenty of sleep, Mr. Can I just um >> go ahead. outside of this is not a question for the chief but
uh I do think we need to look when we're looking at the capital requests um should they be in capital or should they current budget because >> every if we look uh Mr. The Carlo
forwarded the analysis that was done by >> ACA >> and depending on which scenario you look at for every 100K that we borrow the interest the servicing of that is
$43,000. >> A lot of money. >> And we'll be paying for it for 2049. So if we get a car this year, we're going to be paying for it in 23 more years. >> Doesn't make sense.
>> So I really think >> again, Chief, not a not a not directed at you. The ask is the ask, but do we want it to be in capital or do we want it to be in >> current? Yeah. And I would just remind the council one of the reasons we moved
it is and I don't know if it's still the case the delay in getting vehicles if you approve it this year but because of time delays they can't get it. >> Yeah. But I understand that but that's >> I just bring it to everyone's attention. >> But I think we need to take this into paying a vehicle for you know 46,000 for
the next >> you know uh >> 23 years. >> 23 years. But if they can't get the vehicle, there's no other mechanism that I'm aware of other than capital. >> We could just put it at this. >> Then you lose it. That vehicle >> I believe the life of the equipment is
considered as well. >> I I don't know how to explain when they >> No, when they permanently bond it. >> But don't they try and blend the average life of every piece of equipment that >> that is the plan that is the plan because they have the um
>> motion to adjurnn. Thank you. Thank you. >> They have the second all in favor. Thank you everyone. >> Thank you. >> Ricky, we are off. >> You know