you. Can I have a roll call, please? >> Mr. Dagino is absent. Mrs. Grimaldi >> here. >> Mr. Labrada >> here. >> Mrs. Osman >> here. >> Mr. Rivera >> here. >> Mr. Zikka >> here. >> Mr. Bleon >> here.
>> Mr. Tadres >> here. >> Chairman Gats >> here. >> Let the record reflect also in attendance our attorney Gary G Antonio, board engineer John Kimmick, and board secretary Grace Kish. >> Okay. Thank you. We'll move on to the public portion. Uh if anyone out there
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>> So can I have a motion to open the public portion? >> Second. Okay. >> All in favor? >> All right. Anyone in the audience? Anyone at home? Anyone on their phone?
Give you a minute to raise your hand. >> Okay, seeing no one online and no one in the audience raising their hand, I'll ask for a motion to close the public. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. So, new business discussion regarding application data security. We have Heather Henry joining us who's going to tell us a little bit
about what's going on. She is here. >> Can you guys see me? >> Y >> yes. >> Okay, >> great. Uh, good evening everybody. I actually had the same conversation with the planning board last week. Um,
briefly what I can do is I can password protect the applications and the application page. I >> a little bit of a little bit of background first. I don't think all the board members are aware of what's going on. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
So, the planning board application, one of the applications had a scam. uh a scammer used some of the information that was posted online with one of the applications and tried to have one of the applicants send money.
So um you might have seen the scam warning. It is on the homepage of the website. It is on our social media and the police department's social media. So obviously that prompted the discussion and we had started doing all the
applications online if I'm sure everyone remembers during COVID because we were forced to obviously but now we are no longer forced to according to the attorneys. So what we
can do is I can still put them online and have them web- based for your uh convenience really and everyone will get a will get login credentials that will allow them to see the pages as you see
them now but only you guys will be able to see them. The general public will no longer be able to see the applications. So that's kind of it in a nutshell. Okay. And what did the planning board elect to do?
>> They have elected to use the signin credentials. So if you uh logged in, if you tried to look at the current planning board applications, you'll just see um a prompt that asks you for a username and password. >> It's only for board members though. they
they've elected not to post uh things for the public viewing at this time. There's also we've had three other um I'm going to park. >> Sorry. Sorry.
>> Sorry. >> Um, no. What I want to say is that we've had a total of four applicants get this email. So, the original one was in November. >> Oh. >> We had three more. >> So, they what? Spoofing the they're spoofing you or your office.
>> Yeah. A memo on letterhead and they created a um a mall an invoice >> and they're sending it out to people. >> Was it the same person you think did it? >> Yes. because they're like they look identical. >> It was one person who did it four times.
>> Um >> you said you could afford >> Well, we had four separate applicants receive >> the same right. Yeah. >> Yeah. This has been an issue in other towns. >> Yes, Mr. Chairman. We receive I received a similar incident report of a similar
incident in Oakland yesterday or the day before. What's today? Wednesday. Monday. Monday. >> All right. So, so, so explain the process. The Grace, you put the application on the website to let people know that this application is coming up
to the board on such and such, >> right? But all their application. >> So, what we're saying is we'll still do that, but if it if a if a resident wants to look at it or get more detailed, what is their step? they come to the
>> so they can either look it up online on the zoning board or they can always come into the office and >> right but I'm saying is how are we protecting the applicants that we put information on now so they don't get scammed >> so right now we're not >> right so how what would right so what
would be >> that's what >> right so what would be the the game plan to to possibly just put in the name let's say and what to look for and then leave out all the details like site plans and so
forth and so on >> out or what what do we do? >> They're taking the basic information like name, block and lock using that >> which is >> they're taking your basic information off of the um the I think the 200 foot notice and then they're getting email
address and things that are on the application documents and they're emailing them. Now did the planning board they're not putting anything like minutes >> they chose no minutes are >> well now your minutes have information in your minutes >> but you have to by law put your minutes >> we don't have
>> you don't have to >> this is I mean and I love planning I mean since before co you have >> the only way you can see anything is to come to the meeting or come to the >> to the you know it's usually in the notice to between business hours or whatever you can see the board secretary
or by a point, >> right? >> So, I mean, I'm just think a different >> it's not so much plans or it's it's information and sometimes it could be just as basic as a name, address, lock them up. That's it. That's all you really need. Unless, you know, then are
they sending in the mail or did they get emails? >> Emails. >> So, they're getting emails off the application. >> Just redacting a phone number and an email. Would that serve the that purpose? I just think it's I don't feel strongly
one way or the other, but I think it is such a convenience for people who live near a project that can't come to look at plans >> coming to look at lands and with people they'd rather just
>> So that was actually one recommendation of from the chief was geo fencing. Is that something that we could do, Miss Henry? With regard to restricting access to people that are within the township,
>> we could I I could add additional software at a pretty minimal cost to prevent, you know, certain areas or countries from viewing the website. Um,
I'm not sure it would completely solve your problem. I think the planning board was obviously leaned more towards just protecting the documents and it just requires a username. They can now openly
they might just have to take the additional step and make a phone call to grace and then we can enter them credentials and they can view the documents. I mean that that's the other option because I said also you know what
happens when someone opera requests you know from Sue the documents so how you know what are we going to do then because now Sue is just giving them the link to the application page because for each application I create obviously as
you know a new page with all the files so that's kind of something else to think about. Yeah. Right. Yeah. >> If I go ahead, Grace. If I come to your office and I say, "I would like to have information pertaining to an
application." You do do right now we just give it to the person. We don't know who the person is because I tell you I tell you why I'm >> Well, they can look at it. They can't just take it. They can't make copies. >> They can't make copies. They can't take pictures. They are supervised while
they're looking at the documents. They're on the loan with the documents. >> So, they can't take it home. No, >> because because the reason why I'm concerned because and it still bugs me. I got hacked last July 4th. That was my Fourth of July present and they took
everything from me and and it took me it's still taking me a while to get my stuff back. So, I I can relate to this. Um I just don't know what the answer is yet. Um, what's the best way to protect the applicant from anybody that's trying
to scam them? Um, you know, because the first one, one of them was from Anony's father-in-law. He got scammed. >> That's right. He was the first one. He came in with a chat, >> right, to pay. >> So, yeah, lucky you didn't send it there instead of coming here. Um, I just don't
know what the answer is, but I think we need to come up with some type of a >> solution. I I will say this. I think that for a hundred years or so, the system that we had in place where you could come and view the documents with
the zoning board secretary worked. And in any case, I think we have to take action right now to at least um take them off the website if we're not required to have them up there. just let's we got to do something to get them
down and then we can still think about what the other options are and maybe if we have other suggestions that come up then we can you know discuss those and go back to that or go forward with something else but I think at this point we definitely have to consider making
the decision tonight to bring them down >> kind of mitigate >> I would say immediately let's password protect it and let's really give it till next meeting and let's think can come up with ideas. I do think in the issue of transparency, it is beneficial to the
town to have this plans available readily, not only for the residents to know what's going on near them, but also, you know, they may hear that, oh, there's this huge project going up, and then they can go online, look at the plans, and say, oh, this isn't worth my time to either go to the town and
complain about it because it's nothing. It's it's a garage or whatever the case may be. versus the way word gets spread out about what's what's happening. So, I do think it's beneficial, but I agree that we definitely immediately should password protect it until we can come up
with the best solution. We don't have to rush. We don't have any major projects that are going on right now. Uh so, that would be my suggestion. >> Yeah. And maybe in the interim uh we just put up a blurb of any project that does come in. If we have one project for
next, just put up the um you know, maybe we could just uh post the project uh the little synopsis >> plans and address >> and yeah, the address and the synopsis. >> But that's something we could talk about. >> So we don't have to redact anything if
we just type in that, you know, that way we don't have to take in other sensitive information. It's just what's going on in this house. What did planning? They're not anything. >> They're not putting any application documents up. still putting minutes. >> Minutes are up, agendas are up.
>> I mean, because I think that's the same information if you ask me. I mean, what what do they get? I mean, I guess they don't get an email, but they can send a letter. They could, you know, or they read that. >> I mean, I to me like, it's great to have it online. I go on other sites as an
attorney and look at applications, you know, it's very helpful, but at the same token, many of us have been hacks and >> have dealt with that, too. >> Um, and making it clear that no one from you know >> what when you send an you typically you email someone right to
>> yeah if they need >> or you would have to call them or say look >> call them or send an email >> like you will not because we as attorneys title companies they're scams all the time people know you have a closing they send they spoof your email and have somebody >> look like it's the right email address
too if you're not paying attention so >> you know so sometimes we so we do like we don't even we either fact or we call them so you have to verify buy this over the phone, but maybe there's some kind of procedure or something further beyond emailing >> for any payment. It's like no payment.
>> I mean, I'm I've got now if I get anything asking me to pay anything, Amazon, I get I hang up or or close my email and I pick up the phone and I call the regular listed number for that place and ask >> because my mom got scammed two years
ago. So is the planning board just they're trying it and seeing how many people actually >> Yeah. They're just seeing how it's received. >> Yeah. Even if password protective it's your own password that you're putting into the system to create >> the board members have passwords and I
have a password for the time being at for the plan. That's >> so the only people would have the password would be the board members only. >> Yeah. Board members >> and the attorney. And the attorney. >> Okay. And if the resident >> if the neighbor of the resident wants to
look at it, they would have to come to the town. >> Yeah. They have to come to >> because they can't get it off the website. I like that idea. >> But but I think >> I think if if we're a since we're talking about passwords, if somebody wants to to to look at the public
record, they can put a request and then we generate a password and a username for them and then we verify that they are not scammed. Like if I go to the cler's office and ask for a public record in the house now and opra request, I'll have to fill out an application, put my name and my
information, then she has something that at least back it up. So if we go in the direction of username and password, then before anybody can go and look, they submit a request that we need to look at this project, then we generate a username and password for them. Then we
have their information, we know who they are, and then they can go ahead and look. I think that that would be a good >> stepor step except how do we verify you know >> that's a good that's a good point. Yeah. >> On the old request don't they have to
bring it directly to Sue? >> Yes. >> And so so shouldn't Sue say oh John then you give me a a copy license to make sure that John is John. I don't think it has to go >> no mail it in. You can do it on
email. >> But if has attorney >> if somebody >> without having photo ID. So I mean >> if you were to operate request plans now or 10 years ago >> you get >> what information comes with that does
that resident's personal information all gets disseminated to or no >> if I were to opra request a project that you're doing yeah >> and I ask for any documents pertaining to this project I get all your personal information or does that get redacted
out? That's too broad. >> Right now it is not redacted. >> It gets everything. It gets everything. >> Gets everything. >> What are the laws on that? >> Wait, under Oprah, you can't you redact people's email addresses and phone
numbers? >> Cuz I remember trying to put an Oprah request in premise and they told me they cannot take pictures of like >> right >> the permits and they they couldn't give me like they didn't want me. You can
look at it but you cannot like literally take any information off the application. You can only look at that's what we do. >> Are the applicants staying informed of this? Is there a letter a cover letter saying
yes? Yes, we've added that to the application documents. It's on the sign all over town hall. Um Um >> yeah. Okay. Good. >> I made aware that this is
>> I mean I I think I think what we should do is we should move in parallel with the planning board at least for the into the next meeting just to keep safe because if there's been that many exposures already. We just want to see at what point does it stop and then then we could we could you know assess the
collateral damage and and take the appropriate steps that we feel will be adequate. Now in in in in the in the in the voice of everyone that spoke about public access. Yes, it's very helpful to see that information. Well, the question is how
much of that do we want to expose and we go with the public? >> Well, how do we protect property on it? >> Well, let's uh I agree. I think we definitely have to take action tonight. >> Bring it down. Um, and then we can definitely put this on the agenda for
next meeting to discuss if anybody has any other ideas or if the uh Henry comes up with something or if the police department thinks that there's uh some other um way to approach this and then we can see
about implementing it. In the meantime, I'm sure we'll get feedback one way or the other. Uh, at least residents, >> at least this board is, you know, accessible via Zoom or what have you. Some boards are not accessible that way. So, at least they could still
participate in see what's happening at the minimum, which some boards don't, >> right? I think we just want to make sure that we post also just don't leave it blank and just post that everything can be viewed by calling you or coming into the office
and uh that you can't take photographs and all that but you can come view it >> and we'll see what the res. >> So what are we doing effective tonight? Password protect everything. Just yeah put everything in password protected for the only people that can access the
applications >> going forward. >> Gives us time to to review and come up with a real plan. >> And are we removing whatever is up there? >> I think we should. >> Yeah, we should do that. >> Is that what the planning board did? >> Well, it's up there, but it's only accessible password.
>> So only Okay. So you're not taking everything down. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So it's only password. So basically board members are the only one board members and professionals I guess are the only ones who can get some >> board members might like to look at it digitally. So that's fine >> right? Yeah.
>> Even if we stuck with it going forward I think for commercial projects I would definitely feel differently as well. >> Yeah. So, but again, we >> I think right now we just take a vote on pass with protecting it now and get this give Heather her evening back and give
us time all to think about it and and really come up >> and any um you know, you're the you're the gatekeeper. So people come in with an application they need to know there's the only way you can pay is in person in check or mail a check or what they ask
but not we do not ask for anything electronic so I think that's admin on the >> no electronic >> something on the application or cover whatever it was >> it's on the website it's on the homepage and I think it's >> I think we need to make it
>> yes did they use like names did they use your name or anyone's like >> no they did not use my name. They did not use anybody's real name. >> They just said like Washington planning board. >> They they created something called the Washington Township Planning Commission and that's who's
>> sending the letter. Um you know that the letter has a whole list of things that this payment will get you including like a preliminary like like this has been recommended for approval, you know, like just that kind of wording is very disturbing. >> Um
>> you know. >> Okay. know it gets more and more sophisticated in what they do. >> Yeah, >> that's crazy. >> So, yeah, I mean, we want to protect applicants, people of town, board me, you know, from anything like that happening.
>> So, we'll just have all the crazies come off the street and see you >> down the basement. That's where I should find out there first. >> I think that'll be an issue. Again, we had that system in place for, you know, decades and uh it worked. So, I'm sure
we'll get a little feedback like from the community and then we can take it from there as well and we'll definitely put this on for re redis discussion unless there's any other feelings otherwise that we so we want to take off. So, do >> go ahead. Yeah,
>> Mr. I guess can I just ask Grace also, you know how we have previous projects that were approved like our large projects um >> that we do have available just to kind of help avoid confusion um you know like
the overlook or even the Apple Montasauri school some of those older larger applications. >> Yeah. >> Um I think that's just another thing to consider. And you don't have to do it today, but do we want to leave those up? >> Some of them have been targeted.
>> Those older ones that we've left up for people to >> Okay. They have been >> What do you mean targeted? How >> they received uh the scam? >> Yeah. They were >> after it's been approved. >> Yeah.
>> Ask for permission. Sometimes they still >> projects can go on for years. So >> yeah, >> um I think we're better off taking everything down for now. >> Yeah, I actually got a call from the gentleman out. >> Yes.
>> Oh, wow. Yeah, >> the I know that's a long time ago. >> Okay. So I'll >> So tonight >> or at least password protected. >> Okay. So we'll we'll password protect everything that's existing and going
forward until further notice. >> Yeah. >> All right. So do that's uh we want to take a vote on that >> um to password protect everything that's up there and uh going forward until so
only professionals can >> what the planning board is doing because both land >> Exactly. Yes. board should do the same thing >> with the caveat that we we do need to put it on there something about why this
you know just that there's no checks uh you know um you have to come into the board office something that I'm sure you can create pretty easily just to direct people to the right place um all right motion motion
>> second uh roll call >> Mrs. Mrs. Formaldi. >> Yes. >> Mr. Lrada. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Osmond. >> Yes. >> Mr. Rivera. >> Yes. >> Mr. Zipka. >> Yes. >> Mr. Bellon. >> Yes. >> And Chairman Gats.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you, Miss Henry, for your time. Thank you. Of course. >> You're welcome. >> Discussion. And we'll move on to the discussion regarding the new monthly
report. any additional items for permit release. >> Great. So, I got a request from Mike Lada to create this report, which is basically a listing of um the items, you know, that were part of the
conditional approval and what their status is. Now, I just did it through the next milestone, which is the release of the building permits, but because there are some things that are addressed during construction, I did not include those, but you can if the board would like to see that. So, that's what's in
front of you. >> Okay. I like seeing it. But, um, any uh issues engineering wise with this >> with this? Does it create any more work or
>> not at all? It's uh it's extremely helpful. >> Okay. So that's helpful to you as well. >> All right. >> So can we get John? Is there any way to get updates of the applicants on this? >> So what's the status on 891? It says on
hold because of weather or >> what you know this is February. So what are we doing? >> We gave permission for the backyard inspection. >> So Joe got permission from Mr. columns to go inspect the backyard, but um with the weather, he just hasn't been made it
back there. So, when the snow melts, he's going to go and do an inspection. But, they do know they've been advised of the issue andware. >> What about the driveway? >> That needs to be on here too as well. >> Talk about the garage.
>> Yeah. So, it's the um it's the driveway curb cut. So, you could add that as well as a separate item. >> Okay. And I'm assuming it's still what it was a month ago or two months ago. >> Yeah, you really can't do any any
digging or anything right now. So, >> okay. A little >> hopefully in a month when things start really thawing out, we could pay them a visit on that. >> Well, I do like this. Thank you, Mr. Lrada, for the suggestion. Thank you,
Grace, for >> uh pulling this together. But I think uh this will be very handy if we get one every meeting. That way we can discuss any questions that we have on during all business on uh any other issues with any
projects that are still underway that we have questions on. >> Can I ask a question, Fred? >> Sure. >> Okay. This says approved approval date. Now we're into February. At some point, how long do you you know, now we're saying, well, with the weather. Well, we
understand that, but this whole time and they just get away with I don't know. It just seems that people can just do what they please then because this is sitting here since 819 and there was no you know snow or sle or you know we went on and went and on and went on.
>> Well, I think that one in particular didn't we extend the time? >> No. No, we extended it bad some of these things in the court of the >> what I think discussions what I think is gonna happen when March or April comes by and and let's say Joe is still having
issues or John has an issue with the applicant because they can't get together. I think that's when when we update we're going to have to put send a letter saying if it's not done by a certain time there may be a penalty involved but at least the reason why I'm saying no no but I I I think you're
right. I think it's just a reminder so we don't forget as a board that these items are still out there and how are we going to fix the items? >> I think it's more reminding the building department to enforce. That's that's >> Yeah, we're not enforcement, >> right? They have a don't they have a year anyway?
>> Yeah. I mean, it depends like what we're talking about. So, if there's something that's a violation is one thing versus somebody just didn't, you know, they got an approval. You can't force them to do anything because they don't have to do anything if it's an approval. depends. >> Well, you could you could resend the CO.
>> Yeah. I mean, but they have a year they could decide, I'm not going to do this >> and and I think, you know, you have to think about what a judge would say if this were in front of a judge. So, if you've given that person a reasonable amount of time to correct the situation, uh, as long as a judge agrees with you,
um, that you gave a reasonable amount of time, >> um, I think you could resend the CO, >> right? But that reasonleness is up to the uh professionals and the building
department, right? >> It it is. So, um, so just to give you an example, just this evening, I I found coming here that the chain was still off at at the, uh, Apple Monastery School
and I sent them an email like right after the last meeting and it took a while to get a hold of a person, but it took about a week after the last meeting. They said they would install it that week. So, roughly three weeks have passed and it's not installed. So, I
sent an email to say if it's not reinstalled by February 23rd, I gave them a full week plus a few one day, you know, in case somebody's on vacation for a week. it's not installed by February 23rd, we will move forward with using
your funds uh with the burrow as a performance guarantee to reinstall the chain and because that's not dependent on weather and quite frankly, you know, the person said we'll do this within a week and
they did it and you know, so every every instance I think you know has its own amount of time that's reasonable. Um, and certainly, you know, with the weather, um, he really can't open the
road because our own road opening permit says you can't open the road to correct the driveway until April 15th. So, we have, you know, so if after April 15th, say it's not completed by May 15th,
then you say, you know, we're going to move towards revoking your CO. right >> that that you know because I don't think there's anything else that we have it you know that we could hold against this person and I've seen cos revoked you know because they're not in compliance
with the resolution so >> well I do like the fact that this gives us an idea and we can ask you if there's a problem and I'm sure you'll let us know if there is a problem and that would be uh >> like I said in Westwood >> take action accordingly >> I've I've seen
reasonable bullish drag on for two years. Um >> I think we've had that in town couple houses like that >> and it got to the point where, you know, the attorney had to made make a phone call and say, "Listen, you're looking at
thousands and thousands of dollars in fines and we're serious. Come before the board, correct what you have to do. Uh it's not going to cost you thousands and thousands of dollars. it's only going to cost you, you know, a reasonable amount of time and just
finish it and the person did that. But it it literally dragged out for two years. >> Yeah. >> So, we don't forget. We're like an elephant. >> And what's happened with the uh 662 Jefferson? Is that on still on stop hold?
>> No. Uh what I did was uh I issued a report. It was about two days ago. Um Grace. >> Yeah. about two days ago because at the was it the last meeting I got the plan and then you told me that they started construction. I went there stop work
order reviewed the plan. They switched the building around uh correctly. So, and they aligned the driveways as best as they could with the driveways across the street. I I read the resolution.
Um the only thing that they needed was a um waiver from Bergen County Soils. Uh they're just under 5,000 square feet if they have not disturbed what they said they were not going to disturb on the plan, but I couldn't tell with the
snow cover. So that's still a pending item. And they had to do a local soil movement permit application, which they didn't do, which I just received today. So, um I'll probably be in a position within
the next couple of days to say it's okay for them to start after I review the um soil movement application. They're going to take most if not all the soil off site. So, they're they're on track with a lot
of heming and hauling from them. And do we have the new name on record now? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Yes. And I I confirmed that with Grace. And we have the new name on record >> and
>> we're set. >> Yeah. >> So the new the new owner 662 Jefferson Who? >> Wekk LLC. >> Yes. >> Worchek. >> You got to be like me. >> Jamansky. >> Okay. Grace, is the approval date is the
date it was approved or is it when the resolution was memorialized? >> When the resolution was memorialized? >> Yeah, they're on an extension, you know, and I think it was a short extension. They had to start construction within six months. >> They did. >> And well,
no, they didn't. Not in my life. >> Okay. >> They still haven't started construction yet. All right. >> Everybody else good with the >> 637. What is still all pending?
>> Yes. >> Looks like everything else is those are pretty recent. >> Yeah. Recent. >> Yeah. Bendic. I just got the plans um last week, late last week. So there my engineer reviewed them. He drafted a
draft report and I have to review it and finalize it and get it on its way. So that's that's going to be soon that that I don't know if they've complied with everything yet, not until I take a look at it. >> Okay. >> So
>> well now we'll have this to refer to and I'm sure as I said if there's any issues or updates we'll hear from you on them. >> Yes. Uh and we discuss this in uh old business um at the next meeting. Y
>> All right. Thank you again on that. Let's move on to old business or continue with old business. Uh update on revised zoning checklist. >> Yeah. I just want to ask the board's patience um on that on finding that.
>> Yeah, I came in. She's been sick. So >> yeah, I don't really have any new update other than >> Okay. We'll get there. We know you want us to do too. >> Um, all right. Update on recommended
escrow and fees. >> Same. >> Um, >> what's the status? >> So, I was just going to say that um either the chairman or the vice chairman was supposed to contacted for discussion at the council. I don't know
if that happened. >> I did not get a phone call. No, >> I heard that at a council meeting too that they were going to reach out. Correct. And they thought that the fees were high and they wanted to find out how we came to the um >> Right. So that we
>> So we gave them the last >> month or so we gave them what we actually decided on December or something about actual fees that they want. So they have that now where we for their feedback instead of >> and they were asking us for explanation.
>> Yeah, they didn't seem to have anything. It sounded like they just we came up with these figures out of nowhere. Like there was nothing. There was no backup. >> Did sound like there was no background. >> And the and the other thing I heard at the tail end of that the council was that the mayor wants to
make this a three-year process. And I didn't understand that one at all. >> Three years. >> Yeah. He he didn't want to give put the res in all at once. He wanted to drag it out for three years. And
>> but perhaps if they saw where the figures came from, >> right? Because compared to the other towns, >> I would send out what I forwarded to the council. I mean they've kind of been involved since this whole process with you know um you know sending them you
know the analysis of all the towns and then they wanted so they got that >> and then they wanted a recommendation from you guys so I gave the recommendation >> so they've been informed where they usage nobody wants to read I mean I get it I
get it but if you compare it to the other towns and that's what we did tonight. We are we are below what other towns charge. >> Do we know the last time any of those fees were changed >> because they should know that too if
it's been 10 years 15 years forget how long ago this is. >> It's got it's got to be more than eight years that I've been on this but >> yeah it's would have have to have been done by ordinance. So maybe Sue could look at I I had
>> I remember changing them >> in 2009 to 200 12 when I was on council. So but that's the last that I remember any changes to them. But I remember distinctly in a budget meeting that we
had uh one of those years that we uh had changed things. But uh well, if we could find that out and if we could re send out what our you know what we said to the council >> and if we could reiterate >> maybe reiterate add that in and just say
that Mike or I are any all of us are available to discuss and maybe we'll get a call from one of the council members um and we can uh talk to them about that. But >> yeah, because I think the time that that
well is helpful to know like if we had changed it two years ago and two years before that. Okay, >> we probably don't want to deal with this when the tax bills are just coming out. So, um let's give it let's give it a little time. Let's um overnight. >> Let's uh re, you know, reiterate that we
would like to uh make our case. >> Everybody got their letters from the appraisal company, right, last month? >> Yes. >> Okay. They came out like clockwork. >> Yes. Um, >> okay. So, other than that, any other discussions, any board members, any
issues? >> Grace, do we have anything upcoming? Uh, >> we actually don't have any applications right now. >> Wow. >> Okay. >> Nobody's got money. >> Yes. >> In that case, I'll ask for a motion to
close. Motion >> second. >> All in favor? >> Thank you everybody as always.