--------- can you explain all these notes Mr yes so um you know again I know you're going to think I'm being silly but this is just one of those lines where you know I've learned to do and know my job a little bit better you know developed you know some resources and some um representative Consultants at the that I
could actually call down now and get an accurate depiction of how much we're going to use often times do these sight mediation fees come and I have no idea or no expectation that they're going to come um so this year we're expected to pay about $7,000 for permitting that's
for the swim club now that's for the site uh remediation for our soil still at um DPW um yes at the old DPW site then we have our air permitting fee so that
that encompasses all that uh lovely D has put us um we have to do our Watershed Improvement plan phase one which has a deadline of by the end of 2 I received a proposal of $5,000 from
Boswell and then storm water compliance Solutions uh is $7,000 last year we were able to pay for it with a tier tier a uh General permit grant that we receive but again if we weren't paying for it in
this line we'd have to we'd have to ask for the money in general engineering because they're the even though I'm the stormw municipal coordinator they're still the ones that assist us with all of um you know the submitting the ms4 completing the ms4 completing the annual
reports um there's a lot of reporting um and documentation um that that they're with and they they do a very good job for us also part of that is um I can bring up their proposal but there you know there's a couple of things this year
that they are going to do for us um around town I know they worked uh with Mr Sears as part of the Green Team on Carriage Court so they're just a great great service for us to have Mark I just don't remember any of these just onetime
fees for this year well you know the 5,000 for the Watershed Improvement phase one but I don't know what phase two is going to be DP I would I count you know I would expect every bit of of that $7,000 to be again next year and
then I would imagine storm water compliance Solutions they're yearly services so um we'd be looking at that as well but again it's just knowing what we do here better and what the requirements are you know as you could see we we spent um more money than we
allocated last year but again this I feel confident with these numbers and are all three of these don't to Boswell no no only only one only the $5,000 and and again I you know I sured
around I spoke with Beck Meyer um and I spoke spoke with uh stormw compliance solutions to see if they'd be interested in doing it so that one I did research a little bit uh for the price and bosal Engineering was the best suited uh to perform this function for us can't
really explain what it is um other than the DPS making us to it so the my only question is would we benefit from consolidating the that type of service
under the township engineer or does he not does his office not have the expertise I'm sure there's expertise yeah I don't know again I don't know if I want to say it that way I don't I don't think it's necessarily that far off but just remember General
engineering isn't just for our Township engineer it's just general engineer so I you know I put it under there because essentially it has to do with storm water and the management of water and and control so that's why I thought it was best suited
down none of this is optional right get done absolutely not okay just quick question so in looking back at the history does that mean that we've maybe not been doing what was
recommended I wouldn't no I wouldn't go that far I mean again the $5,000 off the bat is is just new this year but so these are new reg in the past I think we were peac mealing where something was going to go you know what I mean but you know the but a lot of them like the two of them the Seven Grand is for the swim
club that we didn't anticipate you know having to do a you know no not the whole Seven Grand $2,000 of it was for the swim club so every every site that I you know I don't know if management is the right word but again we have air permits here with the for the generators well
just a site site remediation I was thinking okay no I was just listenting to all the different sites gotcha do we anticipate I mean given the movement at the federal level that perhaps the D will disappear and we won't have
to well you got the EPA yeah EPA let me make a call I'd like to drink clean water and swim and be around clean water that makes two of us but uh I'm just reacting to you both
live on the wrong side get all right five bull um for department of public affairs so you're leaving the Y leaving it alone right no uh department of public affairs we're going to skip the first two um salaries
public affairs employee holiday party 501 2406 230 10,000 requested 10,000 recommended it's a price increase yes as you know because I already asked about moving the council meeting date uh you know we have a
tenative contract in place and the price did in fact go up so assuming that about the same number of people come this year that came last year uh you know that's what we would need approximately I'm okay with it I'm
good everybody okay no I would propose that we cut it significantly uh you know I'm not sure that you know a holiday party as the
best use of town funds uh a dinner uh you know if you look and I could speak to my personal experience and experience of uh private sector people that I work with and I'm friends with you know the
holiday party is you know tradition I think that is falling by the wayside as companies look at uh their bottom line so you know I would propose you know enough to
perhaps uh have a Lun uh I don't know what that would be so I would uh you know is it 3,000 is it 4,000 and that would be my proposal I
would propose cutting it to 3500 to hopefully leave a uh an allotment or a uh enough funds to have
a a recognition uh but not a dinner uh that's my uh that's my motion cut at 6,500 I I would just like to say for someone uh who has attended every holiday party
uh it's a great morale booster I think we get back you know uh multiples of the amount spent in morale and you know gives the department heads Department employees a chance to intermingle with each other that they don't get to do on
a daily basis um and so I respectfully ask that the council leave it at that I think our return on that investment is very good anybody want to entertain that motion okay public affairs holiday decorations 50120
46240 2000 requested 2,000 recommend what is this for mrar what did we buy with this last year if we go to the audit uh anybody know P the is yeah we're getting close
56 on the okay 56 good good portion of it was the season greetings banners U that are being hang hung up around the holidays that was a good portion of it
okay that was almost all of it anybody have anything else to add to that one or what there what are we buying next yeah is there a plan what are we buying next oh we got the veterans thank goodness well the veterans well yeah right these were the
SE GRE like Happy fall or something that's what I'm that's I'm asking what's the yeah I mean I I would say um you know for our tree lighting decorations uh you know that some of them are getting older will need replacement
um also it's been spoken about in the past and I think uh we ran the outlets on some of the polls to be able to do maybe some snowflakes along P de Road U so that that's what I would Envision those couple things snowflakes would be wonderful but again let's it's a it's a
council decision of what we put on these polls not a single person who likes snowflakes not real snowflakes snowflakes real snowflakes I just want the council to make the
decision all right we're okay with 2000 be clarify illuminated snowflakes for the polls okay all right you guys are just so going top of page top of page 18 public affairs social media 50120
46250 3,800 requested 3800 recommended any discussion is what can you explain the difference between between the social media and the website social media is for the
different uh towns sponsored Facebook pages the website is strictly for the website they have two different areas of expertise so social media we have primarily Facebook or yeah uh Facebook
uh I don't know about the others we have Twitter and Instagram or I don't think so what do we have now I don't think we have that no that's not it's it's various um Facebook pages yeah is that a
contract Public Communication you yeah we have the parks and recreations page we have the department of recreation public affairs the department of recreation the mayor's page that's not paid for out of here oh he he's trying
to get you so is it a contracted rate it is it is sir I believe the next both lines are right the contracted line yes so uh we're going to leave it at 3,800 everybody okay with that since a contract public affairs website 50120
46320 7500 recommended 7500 requested website hosting fee and special projects what are special projects for this line I didn't understand that line um trying to think of uh the example off the top of my head you think of that off hand I
cannot cards set up I don't want to that note may be just a carryover from 23 when we revamp the it's not it's on there because the contract 57 on the bottom she charges $25 um an hour for special projects so
again I we there were some examples from 24 just it's slipping my mind now my apologies it might be on the audit Trail but I don't know if we got that specific okay everybody okay with that y yes
public affairs printing 50120 46470 12200 requested 1,200 recommended I'd say we cut it by 200 and make it a th000 I'll second second roll call councilman Casio yes councilman Sears
yes councilman Olman yes counc bz yes council president yes public affairs archive social 5120 46500 4397 requested
4397 recommended is a contract proposal amount yes correct yes everybody okay with that no no no out come's going up so high the rate they charge that's a nice nice
increase they are they the only provider this is not I they're not I don't I I really don't know if they're the only provider but it is a very specialized area of expertise
okay the um computer ignorant our social what what is that exactly someone enlighten me how it works what is it supposed to do well we got an opra right yeah basically an they can search all the different social media sites have for any you know posting except for the
mayor's page because it's not part that's right could be could be okay all right thank you so public affairs calendar 50120
46510 2,000 requested 2,000 recommended 500 calendars at town hall for pickup based on proposal 2025 everybody okay with that good good public affairs videotaping Council meetings
50120 46520 9,000 requested 9,000 recommended I'm okay with that yep and we'll stop at this line item because it starts a new task on the next page it's not so WCTV
cable television expense 50120 470000 8,000 requested 8,000 recommended I'm okay with that I'm okay everybody okay with that yes so we'll stop there at the bottom of page 18 and we'll pick up with page 19 next week and
continue just like we did if was okay with that can we go back to where would you like to go back Mr Al to the 8,000 for the last line last okay do we have an idea IDE of what this is I mean because last year
they spent 7,000 on converting videotapes to digital um don't know if they have to do that every year but you know assuming it's a one-time
expense how much 6,700 I I know they were doing it over the span of a couple years I don't know if that's year one or year five five I just don't remember I mean is are these are these meetings still on tape or they
digital immediately the the new ones going forward or digital they're doing make sure we don't lose history gotta I mean it's a I'm assuming it's first they provide an excellent service you know there's a lot of things
outside of council meeting that they broadcast absolutely but at the same time I mean $8,000 is $8,000 can they do they have a backup for what that is we can we ask what if they still digitize it Mr
Mayor or Mr yes I mean of course I conferred with them on preparing their budget yes I'm sure same M but I will I will ask I would assume they're still digitizing but let's make it clear in the future hopefully we won have that line item go directly to how far back
does it go they've been around since what Steve or 0 wcv oh they've been around yeah back 8 early 80s early 80s
maybe we should give early 80s got for cable right yeah so I think it was a little after that so like probably 7980 just got they've been around since 1982 you motion to
I assume the council will want to hear from the big three departments in person and so I'm working on scheduling those and you can assume that one of them will be here next week when will you let us know I I I'll know for sure by them here or we just continue
Wednesday I submitted the budget I'm I'm I don't need to see them personally I mean I'd like to hear from them in case we have any questions yeah I mean that your three biggest departments I mean I think I mean still got to read what they're putting in there I didn't get a chance
to read it because didn't know where we going to begin and end mayor us request okay capital I don't mind Capital yesal BR to go over their Capital
expenses yeah okay so just for Capital so you're not going to have any questions during the budget process that you're going to want to ask of them I mean that's the first since I became mayor in 2018 and was a big thing when we didn't have them in with my
predecessor I know things change and but you want to take a somebody will be here somebody will be here so if we have questions we'll ask if not we'll just what do you mean what do you mean someone will be here somebody from the department will be here so I'm saying if we oh Oh I thought you just said you didn't want them no no I said I said to
bring them in for Capital no that's I mean for current what do you want what what well they're the highest the highest I I think it's important to have them when they take up such a large portion of the budet big big part of the the
budget um but I would like to know who's coming when so that we can prepare according May I'll know about Wednesday at least which department will be next Monday okay who who wants the department to come in and who doesn't yeah you want them in yeah
M you ask every question that'll be less questions you have to give Mark that's um well actually for next week I'm indiffer because I unfortunately will not be here so can I you switch your vote to a
yes then so will you be calling in uh in if the uh airplane has oh yeah that would be ENT we go listen to me you
AR you have friendly Factor there's no arguments okay so what what's where are we at we have two yeses and three I mean let me say the department heads were always hoping to come in to answer questions and justify their budgets um
so it was almost a given when we spoke to them at budget time Them Questions we ask but I don't I don't we don't need a presentation for it just be for question line by line yeah okay yeah we're not ask representative from each department that would be fun
okay they weren't on giving a presentation all in favor who motion Mr Sears I seconded I apprciate Part: 2
I e e e e e e good evening everyone welcome to the special public meeting of February 24th 2025 of the town Washington Township
Council adequate notice of the meeting was given in accordance with the open public meetings act by the Township Clerk to at least two newspapers on February 19 2025 and this message has been posted on the township bulletin board electronic Message Board WCTV and on the township website please notify
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send an email to the township of Washington hyphen contact all council members at once TWP of washington. us could everyone please stand for salute to the flag algi to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic
for which it stands one nation other God indivisible with liberty and justice for all roll call councilman CIO here councilman Sears here councilman Omen here Council
valz here council president to sen here let the record reflect also in attendance mayor Peter Kari administrator Mark De Carlo cmfo John corpin via zoom and Township Clerk Susan wowski under approval of minutes we have none uh do I have a motion to open the
public comment period of the meeting sove second all in favor seeing no one in the audience do I have a motion to close the public comment period of the meeting second all in favor okay start the 2025 budget
discussion so what we'll do ladies and gentlemen if it's okay we'll go Page by Page we'll skip salaries and capital till the end and um we we'll go till nine if that's okay or wherever that page stops when we get close to the 9 o' hour if that's
okay all right all right so on page one it's all s uh Grant consultant that is the only um 50120 1 0170 um
32,400 requested 32,400 recommended it's a contract amount um that's the contractual amount as it's been for the last three years is this the last um year of his contract yes sir yes okay
any discussion that I'm okay everybody okay with it all right so 50120 1000 170 approved as recommended at 32400 um moving to the next
page I have um Municipal Alliance coordinator salary and wages it's a um contract amount right so it's 50120 10001 91 3,000 requested 3,000
recommended Mr Dar Carlo it says they asked for an increase of 1535 but you got a decrease there so is that a a note from years past that didn't get taken out Mr corpin no so the municipal share 501
41722 200 is later on in the budget that's the actual Municipal Alliance line that we requested an increase of 1535 so even though we're showing a decrease early on we wanted to be
transparent that we're asking for an increase later on in the actual Municipal Alliance Township share so that line would be increased 1535 but this would be increased decreased by
2,000 okay so between the two lines it's a net savings okay thanks $465 net saving is what you're saying yes and the 3,000 is strictly salary correct
yes everybody okay with 50120 1 01 91 yes Mr did you say yes I said yes than is this on the salary sheet or is this um think be
H okay that's okay okay all right moving on to Department of so we're okay with that one that one we're okay with thank you moving on to the Department of admin other expense admin office supplies 50120 1
0210 2700 requested 2700 recommended can we decrease that since we didn't spend that last year by 200 you want to make a 2500 yes I do Dr Mr CIO would like to make it 2500
do I have a second I'll second it thank you call councilman Casio yes councilman seers yes councilman Alman yes Council bz yes council president to
yes admin postage 50120 1 0220 13,300 requested 13,300 recommended any discussion just do do we know what the balance is on the machine because it
looks like we put whatever is open or un unexpended yes that's that we've done that the last several years that's to get us through the first portion only a temporary budget got
Monday night do okay what was that Mr car towards the end of the year we voted the last amount onto the machine we did yes so we're still using that as of today I would imagine so yeah but again
we're it takes us a little while to get temporary budget we have to make sure we have a balance on the machine at the beginning of the year and then we operate with a temporary budget for a certain amount of time so and additionally I believe stamp prices or postage prices went up in
2024 any further discussion on this item ladies and gentlemen no any motion not changing it okay we have to do anything we just move on everybody okay we just move on y admin books and subscription uh
50120 100 240 25 requested 25 recommended I'm good with it everybody good with it yes admin dues and conferences 50120 10250 1,200 requested 12200
recommended everybody good with it yes if we went over do we not anticipate going over again I don't and who was it there was a conference in miscellaneus someone
attended I guess the question I have is should it reflect the actual demand uh yes I I agree with you I I do try to do that again I'd have to look at what
you're talking about and try and recollect why I made the decision I did I know you don't like me looking back uh but so we charge training for a conference again it's
just not questioning the actual expense but just the category so we could understand how much we're actually spending on the conferences that was going to be a question I
asked there's a lot of munici League of municipality I mean a ton of people and I just wonder if we're getting value as a municipality with so many
people going down there you know can less people go down there and be as effective or is it does everyone need to be there that's a we when we get to that line we'll have to discuss it Mr Alman okay admin travel and mileage typen
30120 100028 650 requested 650 recommended can we bring that down to uh 550 last year's sement that's my recommendation that's
your recommendation y did the mileage rate Federal mileage rate go up do we know I don't know the answer to that Mr Mr Mr corkman do you know if the federal mileage rate went up
this year I'm sorry I actually I don't I don't know the answer to that okay so Mr Mr Casio has made a motion I'll second It Roll Call councilman Casio yes councilman Sears
yes councilman Alman yes Council valz yes Council council president to yes admin copy machine 50120 10290 1450 requested 1450
recommended that's the same as last year we only ed400 so I'm fine with it that that machine's not shared with any other department uh Mark admin copy machine oh yeah that's shared with everybody everybody uses that machine oh that's the one that we
made like the central machine yes yeah okay okay any other discussion no moving on admin furniture and expense uh 50121 100 300 1500 recommended 1500 requested can we minus 200 out of that I was going
to ask to make it a th well can we have some discussion with it for because that's how we pay for um the postage machine that has a quarterly and a yearly fee Mr can you just ch up a MCH more I'm
sorry you said it's the postage machine fee yes the postage machine fee um which is a quarterly fee and then one annually and then again are we missing some of the Billings for that because of the year
end no I didn't I didn't want to print this out until I believe all the bills uh were paid for the year so it was accurate um but let me just go to the thing I mean very often times the admin lines end up supplementing the very
minimal amounts that are in the other departments so you okay with 1250 Mr Sears um 1250 you said 13 I'll split it with get 1250 I'm fine would you mind letting me finish
Oh I thought you I'm sorry so so a good example is right now our zoning and planning office are minus the official uh date and time stamp machine uh because it's broken and they need it for their job it's $11,000 to replace
and it's $400 to replace it or to repair it so you've already striped down my office supply lines now you want to take away from my furniture so it's only February 25th I have no idea what's going to happen the other 10 months of
the year or nine months of the year so I would just politefully ask you to please consider that I don't have the money to replace that machine if it needs to be replaced I don't have it and I'm going to have even less so thank you for listening to me thank you should can I just ask uh
procedurally should can that replacement come out of there yes but what I mean is when we get down to that I you're going to see it it's like $400 their office supplies I I don't know if they have a furniture and equipment and but can that come in from the permits and stuff that they charge
Mr yeah but I I need a budget line to charge it to I can't take money from the permits and go and buy a repair I'm just I'm just using it as a respectful example as to what we face and knocking these things down
below what we're what I'm asking for is is it's just not responsible I mean again I say that very playfully I know you guys have a hard job to do um but I just ask you to take that in consideration thank you you okay with 1250 Mr Sears um want
stick to 1 so motioning what Mr Sears had motion for 1300 1300 yeah I'll second as motion for 1300 this is for furniture yep councilman CIO yes
councilman Sears yes councilman nman yes Council bz no council president the sen yes ad admin advertisements 50120 100310 750 requested 750 recommended it is for
expecting DPW retirement seasonal worker advertising correct is that what that means that's what it says council president y I'm good with it everybody go with it okay fine Mr should it does it need to
be higher and just from a we have um the reassessments and we have uh the master plan so are there Public
Notices that need to go out from that and would they go out from this line or would they go out from planning board or is there a need uh for those two because I'm assuming there's going to be some type of hearings I believe that's have a hearing that's all done by the appraisal
company is it yeah I I I feel comfortable with this um 750 I those are good examples Mr om man but I do believe that's going to come from the the uh money we put aside for the assessment and for the master
plan this in in my experience here has been for like job postings and stuff or bid openings but that's it yeah are we strictly using the the Bergen Record now Mr D since the Star Ledger is out of
print what we no we if we do seasonal workers we use pasag Valley yeah I don't know if they charge us and for something more significant we would use a league of municipalities and the Star Ledger is when you have to do like a garbage any state that's what we're all fighting to
put on our local or the State website correct okay everybody okay with 750 yes yes admin training 50120 1000370 2500 requested 2500 recommended I'm good with the training I
agree everybody okay with the training I'm fine uh no I mean you know uh there is again a legal
municipality registration hotel in here should that be in conferences you know because do we expect this to happen again because if we don't then should we make a change to
the training mod so we spent 2300 2200 and we have you know 400 in conferences for League of municipalities you said for League of
municipality so in instead of spending 22 on training we actually spent 18 so should we cut it oh there's training sessions at conferences I mean that's why they fit it in there
I would appreciate you not cutting training because again it supplements it it gives us professional growth and it helps us answer the questions that the council asks of us I would hate to see training be reduced things continue to change and
update so I think training is very important to stay as close to to an update as possible I mean training is not one of those things that we can do away with I perhaps I didn't
articulate myself clearly I know I believe Mr Dar Carlo uh indicated that we put the conference in there because there's training at the conference so I am not disputing that training is not important
again I'm trying to to just understand we have these lines because at some point we should just net it all down and charge you know everyone you know put one number on the bottom of the page just charge everyone and we'll
figure it out later and I'm not saying that that's what's happening today but we have a admin dues and conferences that's my only point so if we want to if you know
if that's the will Michael are you suggesting drop training but put the drop back into dues and conferences yeah just for clarity sake if that's where we approve dues and conferences as they but you can always go back if he wants to reduce and move it around but so and Peter I know you're
trying to U facilitate a discussion but I I think I thought I had said that here I I understood that and we went past it so right m if if if if
Council agrees to keep it keep it how much training does the Administration use outside of the league municipalities a lot a lot I'm asking Mark because he's the
administrator how much how much how many conferences do you normally schedule during the year no no no I I just I I wouldn't agree it's a lot but um well depends who you're you're saying I mean we use it it's not just for the administrator it's for the office of the
administrator so it would be myself it would be my assistant and then um purchasing department does not have their own training l so they have actual cus right where you know my training um I Rel I usually will try and limit it to
free training or very inexpensive training and have exceeded that so this year you've seen a reimbursement for me it was for a fiscal management um administrative fiscal management course that I'm taking through uh the Ruckers
um the Ruckers uh Institute for I think municipalities just second that so um you know that's just the answer and again you know um most of the most of the women will get their training
through the conferences because the cus are offered there but there's time from time to time that they would like to take something um not offered there yeah not offered there in you know president ofate if I could yes Mr
par um just to keep in mind too personally for myself I don't I do not go to the leag municipality so this is the account that I use for all the courses that I need to take to get my fa credits over over two every two years so keep that in
mind thank you Mr cor and it includes webinars as well well webinars will be on site right so yeah sometimes Char they charge to take them yes they're $50 per webinar and
personally for myself I take over two year period I take 15 just to get my credit so John you have your own training line well right why bring it up because this is the line we're discussing here this is the line that I use for for the
we're discussing admin training you have a CFO training line if you exceed I apologize I'm yeah we'll come with the CL we'll get that I'd like to motion for the 2500 I I'll second that training is
always good everybody good you say yes Mr yes so I dooll call roll call yes since we made a motion I actually no because you okay admin telephones admin in uh PD
Emergency Services building 50120 100047 is per contract 14244 requested 14244 recommended that's a contract amount so admin miscellaneous 50120 1000500 600
requested 600 recommended any discussion let make a motion to keep it about bucks Tom you want to keep how about you how about you only motion if you g to make a change we do something like that flow a
little bit quier okay everybody okay with the 600 yes thank you uh plaques nothing uh computer software 50120 10810 24646 requested
24646 recommended it's uh Edmonds 11,229 goov 7416 3,000 for the server for WCTV uh computer software for vehicle maintenance 3,000 those are all contracts Mr D Carlo
Mr corpin those amounts yes um the the server for WCTV we're expecting may go up a few dollars the computer software for V vehicle maintenance has not been purchased yet um it was a program that was um researched by the police
department then we had a meeting uh with DPW and fire and um police and it's it's a vehicle I mean I hate to repeat what I wrote in the thing but it is a pretty much allinclusive vehical
maintenance program that allow us to track is it a PM software I don't know what yeah it it is what happens you plug in everything that you've done on the vehicle and then it will push to you like all right this vehicle is due for a PM based on
CHS and this is going to cover all the department the whole Fleet so it'll be all the DPW fire ambulance uh ambulance we probably can but they're separate organization don't okay the the servers
one time purchase or that's just soft software that's a it's a software license they pay it's a yearly license all these are yearli yes except for the server for the WCTV right that's a license that's license okay okay is the
vehicle maintenance 3K a year yes that that's the new one that's why it went up from 205 to it be recurrent yes this would be do we have um inventory as far
as uh other vehicles well we already pay for yeah we have to do that management yes it right so I think by default Mr Roman it's gonna because it's GNA list yeah I mean every vehicle will be in there so yeah just rock do you put in
like a a 19 2018 Ford Explorer you list all of the all the anything you spend on that V but also the you know I'm thinking in terms of like aging reports so you know
we get requests for the renew the police uh you know the fire chief's uh car you know will it be readily available to see the Aging of the fleet type of thing sure aging you mean just as far as
how old how old the equipment is yes I imagine it can I mean I don't know that that question was specifically asked but but we keep track of that in a separate spreadsheet don't we we updated anticipation for Budget talks anyway so outside of your question you're You' got
a m for the right the vehicle it's live it's a live interactive Pro that's yes maintenance program yeah and you know coming from that industry I can say it's invaluable to keep up with periodic maintenance pushes your reminders who's who's going to manage that the data
entry the different department yeah each department will manage their own Fleet okay on page four admin IT services 50120 13200 36840 requested
36840 recommended it is authorin and two new computers at 2,000 each so I guess the 32840 is the author net contract yes sir any any discussion uh do we have
um the strategy for Replacements of PCS yes so every year when I go over to budget with uh Mr mcge from a thoret we go over our inventory of computers and we try to purchase four to five uh new
ones last year if you remember we uh we were able to do that and then do that with some of the arpa money that was left over so we got a jump start on this year so this year I was probably ask for four or five but because we bought more last year with that extra money I only
have to ask for two but that'll keep us on the rotation because I guess maybe 2017 we bought Assa correct they all out okay um we're under Office of the mayor we'll skip salary and wages for now uh
mayor uh subscription and books $50 requested 50 $50 recommended 501 72011 0240 do I have any discussion good with it mayor du's meetings and conferences
5012 011 0250 2300 requested 2300 recommended everybody okay with that good okay uh mayor miscellaneous 50120 one10 500 600 requested 600 recommended how come we went so far over
last year unfortunately we had um we use that line to buy flowers for debts and I know yeah that's not good okay I had to answer your question so I appreciate it everybody okay with that yes yes
let's hope we don't have to yes I agree mayor trophies 50120 111 0790 700 requested 700 recommended I'll make a motion to reduce it to 500 since we only spent 183 last year I'll
second roll call councilman Casio yes councilman sear yes councilman Omen yeah yes excuse me Council valz yes council president to yes moving on to Township Council we'll
skip salaries and wages uh Township Council subscription and books 125 requested 125 recommended any discussion moving on to council dues meetings and conferences 5120 111125
3500 requested 3500 recommended can we reduce that ladies and gentlemen yes 2 you're say Mr car you're saying everything was captured correct uh yes
I'll make a motion for 3150 bring it down bring it down three what's that bring it down three 31 last year we didn't spend I know so you want to make it you guys want to lower it even more make another motion
nobody seconded M so 11 2 3,000 I motion three I'll second call all right I'm sorry um counc said 3,000 CIO counc CIO yes counc
see um there's four leagues and I guess it's a registration for league league league yeah it's all the league fees registration hotel and
yeah and the cut is for 500 to 3,000 which we're still leaving $500 as a question from last year I i' go with that yes um sorry councilman Omen yes Council
valz yes council president yes uh moving on to the next I ask a question M yes Mr thank you um you guys are leaving a cushion there but a lot of other budget items you're not leaving a cushion I'm curious what the rationale is among all the council
members what do you mean we're leaving a cushion there not other ones I think we've taken about 10% off everyone okay so on admin we you know we left a $500 cushion a $600 cushion there 550 to the
exact so we're leaving cushions in a lot of places okay thank you uh moving on to page six um Council miscellaneous 50120 1111 500 200 requested 200
recommended I'd make a motion to make that $100 um can we discuss for a second sure well I made a motion so let just anybody second it or no I'll second discussion M Les yeah I
just I think that we as a council need to get a little more active um with using something like this to recognize our community um to be more engaged so I would I would not like to decrease
it because what are we going to do with 100 bucks between the five of us if well I don't think that's our I don't think that's the line for it right trophies and plaques is the next one which we don't use you know I'd like to bring back the citizen of the year which we haven't done in years um you know I
always thought that was you know last time I was in Council the mayor and the council would always recommend somebody a citizen of the year which we kind of kind of fell by the ways side but I think that's something you would promote right I think You' be so but that would be on their trophies and PLS I would
think not in the miscellanous but what if we want to do something separate what I don't know what we go there that look like a petty cash for you guys yeah it's like really is let make it 100,000,000 you go to any conference you
want no I just want back in furniture equ good for I I think the next line is where we really should be spending all of it Miss bz and I think you know bringing back the citizen of the Year
Town stuff like that would go a long way because we can't I mean the reason I feel that the reason we haven't been using is because what can you purchase with 200 bucks be between five people we could spend we could spend our own money we do get a stien so I mean we could if
it really came down to it I mean if it was something that important you know okay I disagree but that's fine roll call all right so I'm sorry let's let's go back to who I motioned and Mr
accepted it for 100 joking um councilman Casio no i' like to just zero it out but so no it's a no you don't want to lower it to 100 no I want to lower it to
zero be quite honest with you okay chainsa no can I quickly can I just ask if one of us wanted to use that line for something we could just go ahead and use it correct we have to have permission the council with to use the
whole line yeah I mean sometimes we take things for granted on this Council because people are so enthusiastic about what they're doing and they don't ask the rest of Council what's going on but in all fairness when we put on events and stuff we should get a consensus with the
council which nobody's disagreeing with the enthusiasm that happens sometimes but it should be brought to the entire Council for a vote before we progress okay I don't know what everybody else's feelings but that's the way when I first got put on councel my
first 10 that's how it's always done so ready councilman seers dollars yes councilman Omen yes Council valz
no council president to sen yes Council trophies and plaques 50120 1111 790 700 requested 700 recommended I'm okay with leaving it is anybody else want a motion for less or more make I'll make a motion we keep
it motion we usually do those together and we split the cost so if you're going to raise or lower I appreciate you either raise mine back to seven or lower yours back to the five what do we lower to hold on I I think you lowered mine to five from seven give me one
second uh yes five to from seven to five all right let's we'll lower I'll make a motion to lower ours to 500 also anybody want to I'll second it I'll second it roll call Council CIO yes Council SE yes
Council vman yes Council woman valz yes council president to sen yes uh going on on to office of Township Clerk we'll skip the first two salaries we have clerk extra Council meetings 50121 120
130500 requested 1500 recommended that falls within our schedule right to have all the extra meetings and so forth so everybody okay with that sometimes it's less correct uh Township Clerk Office Supplies uh 50120 12710 1700 requested
1700 recommended I make a motion to move it to 1500 question to the town card are you satisfied with 1500 or do you have any new um items coming up
well I I I will just add in that the tree vendor decals we went through very quickly last year and they're not cheap no so I I did try to increase but in case more come in than I need I would go to something like this to help with that
um we also did the first responder decals that last year you we gotten and they did not charge us and when I went back to him to get this year's decals you know he was like well you know and I was like listen can just work out what a price is and just tell me what it is no I have a small expense with that one as
well but again that that I've been trying to keep into the printing but in case something happens with the tree vendors near the end of the year and I need a few extra bucks this is probably where I would go to where do you get the the um sorry do you charge out of here for the parking permits as well the
decals the parking permits we were Thrifty with because since we hadn't had anybody doing that for a number of years we had fored tags I think was two years ago and used them we actually put a sticker over it to save money so we've been trying to recycle those the commuter parking lots and we've
explained that to people and they've been very good about it all right with the treat decals is kind of tough you can't do that on that kind of material nor the First Responders we had to order new I would keep the 1700 I made a motion anybody second my motion first reduction I'll I'll second
it roll call can counc cassum yes councilman Sears uh no councilman om man yes Council one bz no council president TOA yes Township
Clerk asset inventory 50120 one20 220 3,000 requested 3,000 recommended did we not get the bill for last year did the service hasn't started it's like a year behind oh it's a year so it's going to get built yes and this is contractual Mr De Carlo I'm assum
it was based on a quote that Mr and he hasn't raised it for like what the like third year mark I think that he hasn't increased it yeah everybody okay with it it's required by law to do inventory every year yes I know what you got okay Township Clerk Do's meetings and
conferences uh 50120 one20 250 2,000 requested 2,000 recommended um everybody okay with making that 1800 so we have a lot of stuff coming up
research um I have the two conferences and what happens what I was going to add on to is for for all of us that are certified to go to our our we have our by our corly meetings they also charge us to go to the Coury meetings which we do also get training at as well so it is
the conferences that we go to my two certifications I'll have health and I have the clerk but all certified positions do have meetings of their associations and have to pay on top of our dues so it's not just the dues that take care of everything
okay anybody like to uh second my motion or no so would you get by with 18 this tight it was last year at 1735 and I believe the well every year the in the
rates go up for everything we all know that registrations pretty much stays the same for like the Le but like the conferences go up and the hotels go up that's the only reason why it bumped up a little bit what prices we going to come down they're coming
conf how about 19 so no my motion failed so if anybody else wants to leave it or make a motion please make a motion for 19 I'll second Mr Sear's motion roll call
councilman CIO yes councilman Sears yes councilman Alman yes Council valz yes and council president yes C clerk office equipment repair 50120 one20 270 750 requested 750 recommended cost of
service agreement was this for the which which agreement is this uh this is for the stuff the computer in here and everything so this a contract yes is it a new contract no well every year it's an annual contract how so much more than
last year did it go up well because Mr D would you like to explain you want me to yeah it was split between the Court planning zoning and clerk obviously we don't have the court anymore so we had to increase one of the lines we chose to increase the township CL line that's that's a valid
point everybody okay with that yeah Township Clerk mileage stip in 50120 one20 28 Zer we lowered the other one to um 550 550 so i' make a motion to lower
this one to 550 I'll second roll call councilman Casio yes councilman seers um no councilman nman yes Council valz yes and council president the Senate yes Township Clerk copier fees 50120 one20
300 1,400 request 1400 recommended we spent 1322 last year so it's pretty much on par to be close to that everybody okay with that yes Mike can I just go back to 270 to
the uh the office equipment repair yes just would we is there any benefit to charging planning do they have the ability to recover the expense through uh any
of okay we do charge they do pay for a portion of the right out of their budget we can't get it from the applicants or think that's no I wonder if we can boost up their expenses because we can recover it through the fee I don't think
so well I like the thinking though I don't know how to I don't know how to answer the question because I don't know what you mean by like recoup I mean essentially money that's being brought in um is usually goes to the planner and the engineer and all that it's like esro
money where the building department actually makes Revenue okay you know that's I was trying to think how to say though okay thank you thank you Michael thank you so cop your fees everybody okay with the 1400 okay Township Clerk advertisement
public notice 50120 one20 310 4,000 requested 4,000 recommended extra notices for the affordable housing uh tobac that's going on right now TI what Mr was saying before advertising and that that's why I increased it everybody
okay with that yes Township Clerk training 50120 one20 370 1250 requested 1250 recommended just in case you don't see the note it's on the next we want it the increase was due because we want it keep
consistent with giving our assistant clerk training oh okay in case which previously wasn't included yeah previously wasn't included so that's where the additional $500 came from because that's that would be the um amount she would earn the position would
earn for covering it everybody okay with that yes thank you uh Township Clerk code publication 50120 120 460 8,000 requested 8,000 recommended ordinances associated with
affordable housing yeah we're going to need a lot of uh Publications on that one so is this a a guesstimate yeah yeah there's we don't know what we're going to a moving Target everybody okay with that
yes yes Township Clerk printing 50120 one20 470 1,700 requested 1700 recommended increase in tree vendor applicants and decals I mean how many more tree guys could we have after we in they increase
let me tell you something they come in it's amazing because they know they can't do any work in town unless they are registered with us we're getting them down from New York yeah they're coming in they're on the website you can look at the list they're from all over how many trees you left the way we're going the way we're
going we're going to have pencils wow everybody okay with the 1700 yes Township Clerk miscellaneous 50120 120500 150 requested 150 recommended I'll make a motion to bring
it down to 100 wait I'm sorry where which one missell I make a motion to reduce it by 50 in keeping with the other departments second call councilman Casio yes
councilman Sears yes Council om man yes Council valz yes council president the sen yes elections election salaries and wages it's a that's just the the stien correct so we could do that one everybody okay with that one yeah uh
election car can we change that to stien on on the Edmond's notes for next time please yes thank you um elections ballots 50120
171230 11,500 requested 11,500 recommended that's been a a standing number because we don't know what the costs are going to be from the county correctly with the governor this year too we don't know and the mayor we have local and state this year everybody okay
with that y Finance Treasurer um first couple lines or did you miss one think you missed elections miscellaneous oh oh yeah I'm sorry election miscellaneous 50120 one21 500 500
recommended 500 requested uh to decrease from last year of $150 everybody okay with that I'm okay with it yes going to the finance Treasurer department um first one is salary we're not doing
salaries uh director is next we're not doing directors yet uh deputy treasur benefits coordinated at salary finance treasur office supplies 50120 130 210 400 requested 400
recommended it well since we lowered everybody else's should we lower his $50 only being fair well if you look at his Trend 8 924 330 so he's within the ballpark 400 all right everybody okay with it yes
leave it for now we come back Finance treasure subscription and book 50120 nope that's not one Finance treasure dues meetings and conferences 50120 130 250 1100 requested 1100
recommended everybody okay with that consisted in that b so yes I am everybody else is that annual he needs annual CR they need annual credits he needs 30 credits for every two years Mr Corin I just said correct Mr Corin m
yes he said I can read his list he said yes John you're on mute I'm sorry yes Finance treasure furniture and Equipment 50120 13300 200 requested 200 recommended I'll make a motion to reduce that to 100 so
we stay consistent anybody second that second roll call counsman Casio yes councilman Sears yes councilman Omen yes councilman valz yes council president the sener yes Finance treasur Payroll Services
$199,000 requested 19 recommended is that the actual cost Mr corpin from the payroll service company it's we're yes essentially it's going to be somewhere between those two numbers it it's going to depend on seasonal workers and things
like that so I need a little bit of buffer gotcha okay everybody okay with that uh Finance treasure training 50120 130 370 650 requested 650 recommended can we cut that a little bit take a
motion cut cut it back to five as it was last year you want to make five last year so make it five this year so you want to decrease by $150 yes not 100 I'll second that so decrease to 150 now this is for John John is there
any I'm sorry may I council president yeah yeah this is actually for the courses that I take this is the account that I use for for for the webinars um so the 150 I'm sorry the 150 will that
interfere with your certifications um it's going to make it uh pretty tight yeah it's it's because because I I I get 15 over twoyear period so you know if you if you times that by $50 that's basically uh
375 per year that needs a little I think I think there were other people that use that account for training also um in finance I I don't think it's exclusively uh for myself I think there's other people that use it one as
well which is why I I would like to keep that you know somewhere close to that if we could Mar who else uses that a lot this line should be pretty much dedicated um to the CFO however if there's extra
that's usually where we'll dip into or the admin um so payroll again we have new person in payroll so we kind of use a little bit from each but traditionally this line is for the
CFO all right roll call what was the reduction 150 150 feel we need a a little bit of a buffer compared could you Mr Casio make it a $100 reduction sure I can agree I can agree to that so
new motion for a reduction of 100 to 550 yes maybe you look at the trend was 500 last year 550 he's GNA second that Mr we agreed right a motion by Council CIO
second by Council Sears yes 550 roll call is Council CIO yes councilman SE yes councilman man yes Council yes council president yes Finance Treasure of miscellaneous expense uh 50120
130500 300 requested 300 recommended what do we do on the other miscellaneous expenses we lower I'm just looking at past history it was high as 4100 with a spend of 3600 then it went down
to 500 with a spend of 467 and last year we had 500 went to zero so I what we do you want me to help you out with that that would be wonderful all right so um the previous years we were purchase we would purchase
computers out of oh the specific line and then this year we took the strategy to and last year to put it into computer line the computer line so in good faith seeing that we didn't use anything already lowered it 200 so if the council
will be so gracious as I'm going to lower it by I'm make a motion to lower it by $50 more and being consistent with all the other people we lowered $50 for this item so do I have a second a second roll call councilman Casio yes councilman
Sears yes councilman Alman yes Council valz yes council president Des yes Financial Services 50120 1322 200 22,500 requested
22,500 recommended it is expenses for uh the auditor the AFS the ads the SDS the loap the budget the ufb and 2500 standard billing Consulting who's that 2500 for Mr D sir I just want to correct
you playfully it's not for the order it's for our financial services oh I'm sorry they no longer the order yeah AFS our annual financial statement our annual debt statement supplemental debt statement the loap report the actual budget ufbs uh user
friendly budget and the 2500 is standard billing that gives me an amount for the actual Consulting of which we've already spent um good amount in January because we had um Zoom meetings to discuss our
unfunded debt and such so got a loan in January incur 22,000 worth of billing so that that's a pretty hard number I respectfully request to keep there were years prior the same um for
the same services this the fees did go up every year um Mr Mr Vincy sends us um you know the proposal for the following year and the the prices did go up by a lot this year um I did ask for
the specific for the billing only because I know we're going to be borrowing money this year and we're going to need them in the nextx and no one you know I say it kind of being funny but you know n none of the professionals that we expect to work for free but they definitely don't you know
we do still um they're gracious enough to answer our phone calls um but you know attendance in meetings and actually preparing documents and paperwork uh we're built for but you know they give us those phone calls hey what do I have to do with this 5 10 minute phone call for free
um so you every every bit of this is expected to be used this year every time we do a bond ordinance it counts as 500 you know $500 so so a big impact this year just a
quick question it's almost 6100 off W um so when we do a bond ordinance we're paying LDC for them no it's you have to do a supplemental debt statement for any bond ordinance that's the SDS so that that's crost
500 well I hope it'll use it but everybody okay with it yes do um have we checked to see if these are uh going rates I mean viny has been with us for a long
time I I have not um researched any other financial advisor fees like I said I know for definite fact we get the tradeoff of free contact with these professionals to guide us um
in financial decisions that we are not being charge for that other companies will I can I can tell you when I make 10 minute phone call to cgp I'm charged for it 10minute phone call the N planner we're charged for it the engineers were charged for it this is one professional
that gives us a tremendous amount um without charging us for any other discussion we move on uh um I would motion to reduce it by what uh
1,500 I've already spent the 2,000 out a 2500 so which service should I omit this year so AFS ads SDS lowp budget all stuff we going to pay for see this is I this is where the
frustration comes because all of your questions are Financial in nature and you want to take away $1,500 of our Lifeline of necessary documents and our ability to answer all the questions that you ask and I know that sounds like a wise guy but it's the honest to God
truth who who do you think I call when I need to bum bum bum this this is not the line please to take $1,500 from or we're going to start omitting services so my question
is the AFS ads these various filings up through ufb are 20,000 and we have that scheduled and then we
have an additional 2500 for Consulting yes for stuff that would fall outside of those other reports how didn't come in under last year that's
what their their rate went up that much that this this was based off the the numbers the new contract this is contractural no well I I mean I don't know I probably want to know more what you mean by contractual
before I say yes or no well here's a question what from from last year right we we budgeted 177,000 we used 15 and a half right so obviously we got all these particular all the alphabet soup right
except for the 25 with standard billing Consulting so if you just take what we spent last year even what we budgeted last year right plus the 25 with the consultant that only brings you up to 20 brings you up to 18,900
yes 19 let's say 19,000 so that's a difference of you know three and a half Grand so that's you know there's there's a there's an issue that I have so did what went up
the L the lvb the AFS lvb is the the vend right right I'm sorry yes can I make a can I make a can I quick table list until we get the contract from lvb to look at just to see
how it's written maybe that'll appease everybody if that's okay I can bring it up right now I don't know how you're going to see it but I'm saying for like if you can send it to us so we we we'll skip this line right so everybody can make an educated decision if you don't mind all
right everybody okay with that yeah so we'll table this line audit Services 51201 35200 35,000 requested 35,000 recommended it's an awarded contract so this is the actual
amount okay this is the contract amount Mr that's what he put in his a bid award yep thank you any discussion on that no tax collector salaries and wages we're going to skip uh we're going to go to
tax Finance Tax Collector Office Supplies 50120 45210 1170 requested 1170 recommended I'm going to make a motion to take $50 away from him like we did everybody else U go don't forget we're going through
the audit so she might be a little busy done by a I mean she might need paperwork stuff it's $50 okay anybody want to second that or you want to leave it alone I'd like to leave it
alone for that just leave it probably some extra just want to keep consistent like Finance Tax Collector dues meetings and conferences 50120 45250 1,300 requested 1300 recommended
dues increase for TCT NJ tell it's an increase in the DU do we split this with uh no that is um that's a tax collector's line coun tax collector I'm sorry council president if you were willing to
go back I have the proposal brought up I can give every all right give me one let's just finish this line and then okay so on 50120 45250 everybody okay with 1300 or do we want to do anything I'm good with it I'm okay with
okay we're going to go back to uh Lurch viny uh in financial services fee 50120 32200 go ahead Mr so the UN audited annual financial statement is $88,500
the annual debt statement is$ 1,000 the supplemental debt statements are 500 for each ordinance the Lowa report is 2500 Municipal budget is 6,000 and the user friendly budget is
1,000 so I believe that comes to 19,000 if I told you we're we already paid 500 for the one Bond ordinance if you approve capital you're going to pay another $500 for another Bond ordinance and then the
$2500 if you like like to tell me how if you want me to tell you how much we spent with L viny Bliss already this year be happy to do so sure tell me sir sure okay I can tell you for the month of
January I just got to bring up Edmonds every time I click out of it it uh closes it down but the bill that I signed was $2,000 for the Consulting so basically I have 500 left you want to help me raise it Mr
R's it maybe we should raise it no uh I mean I think that we need to look at the information I mean 7500 to 8500 we want to talk about increasing
uh the UN audited um I'm sorry the uh budget certification plus 500 plus 1,000 for the AFS I mean it's almost like
um I don't know I mean this is not something that the financial services that's not something that's brought in front of the council for consent is it go and maybe we should
look outside well unfortunately it's outside our realm it's the mayor's appointment and appoint well I understand that but you know if we're saying it's a blank check and charge us what you will yeah
it's a big increase from last year it is it's the largest increase we've gone through with the p so far it's also probably one of the most important backbone account lines of the township operations as well it's
not you know it's not like it's office supplies I get what you're saying I understand but this is a major component did we just not utilize them enough last year you know I again I'd have to look through the audit no I mean you know we had we had done everything the prices
just went up like mrman just said went up by $1,000 from 500 to, 2500 15005 you know but I'm also projecting though for this year knowing all of the financial work
we're going to have to do yeah okay and I don't claim to know off hand but it seems like last year was an anomaly that it went down by so much other than that prior years it was all in the low
20s well Mr Casio knows I don't lie the uh the the line did include um GPA statement remember we Consolidated oh okay thank you you all should know
I I felt guilty any other discussion on this line ladies and gentlemen I so I would just suggest or I would ask that the administration uh you know we see this
escalation perhaps uh inquire if there are other organizations that provide these services and what at what expense you know if you're bidding against yourself you're going to
lose okay we'll take that under consideration thank you they also didn't receive the audit you know so I don't know if that is a uh contributing
factor okay understood going on to page 12 we're leaving there's no motion to move it or anything at this time STS so we're not tbling it you're not no got the we got the numbers for Mr Dar car so
thank you I appreciate that that um thank you going to page 12 Finance Tax Collector furniture and Equipment um 50120 145300 600 requested 600 recommended
need to purchase filing cabinets yeah she I was explained to me that they're kind of exceeding their space there so they have you know documents obviously that are confidential and sensitive so they need to buy an extra a filing cabinet or two it's a reason for the
increase are those um records are they they're kept in in house we don't have a record storage retrieval vendor no not not to any no not for anything don't have any of those is is that something that's I mean when you go
down to the league of municipalities that's something that most um municipalities are using now they're doing all their stuff off with offsite storage if it were a space issue I would consider that but we just need the filing cabinets to put the documents in
we're okay with actual space right now are these fireproof cabinets you prer to Mark if you know I'm not sure not definitely not that price no that's not a no
way a p all right let's just uh was in the house just a word to the wives one of my my prior lives as a as an engineer in the municipality the floor decided to buckle
by 7 in cuz we put too many file cabinets in the building department room on the second floor and the floor decided to deflect by almost 6 in they have to vacate the whole building after they added so many files a while ago we were thinking about moving the building department upstairs but that was the
issue yes and assessor too you st at 600 yes right yep uh Finance Tax Collector training 50120 45370 1,000 requested 1,000 recommended anticipated affordable housing courses
in 2025 can may I I would like to know the training for affordable housing because just that it's it's all online yeah yeah well she's the municipal housing WEA on now
that's a new appointment a requirement by state law so there's when did that happen Mr depart uh the council approved it I believe in December we did yeah s so in the training notes that's where the increase is is she's Tak that
position say that again sir she's taking that position yes she's been appointed that position yes is that a yearly training will that be it's a very new program so they're creating the training as it's go as we're going so I imagine
that was going to be a ceu yes okay affordable housing rears its ugly head yet again I hate Tren you hate what Tren not the whole not the whole Anybody
Everybody St house everybody okay with this or you want to reduce I'm good if she's going to need it we're going to need it okay uh Finance tax collector tax bills 50121 45460 5500
requested 5500 recommended why such the big increase where we only spent 4600 last year it was actually decrease sir but she she decreased it by $100 but um she gave me supporting facts for and I just I just don't remember how to explain it I think there's a
fluctuation in there it's not like an exact science of the money but again she knows her job very well and that's what she felt comfortable um you know reducing it too you know as you could see the year before is that five or three yeah was 50
51 almost you know 5150 that's why I I was going to say make it 5250 and call it a day I would second that you'll second 5250 all right councilman Casio yes councilman C yes councilman Omen yes Council bz yes
council president to senent yes moving on to page 13 uh tax assess here first one is salary sir you miss one one where did I miss next one oh I'm sorry I'm jumping
too fast thank you miscellaneous 50120 145500 400 requested 400 recommended any discussion no some good everybody okay with it or do we want to take out $50 to be consistent like we did to everybody else I'll make a motion
for 350 we used 450 yeah but it's it's an inconsistent line 2 233 478 223 300 452 so that's what do you what do you what do you want to
do make it 350 you make a motion I I made a motion for 350 yes anybody second it I didn't hear anyone I'll second it roll call councilman Casio yes councilman Sears yes councilman Omen yes
Council valz no council president desum yes moving on to page 13 correctly this time uh tax assessor first one is salary tax assessor office supplies 5012
50210 500 requested 500 recommended any discussion reduce this one the way we did everybody else $50 but it's it's another one that's fluctuate you got 208 468 everybody okay with 500
yes Finance Tax Assessor dues meetings and conferences 50120 15250 200 requested 200 Rec amended that's good everybody okay okay good Finance Tax Assessor travel 5012 1
15280 250 requested 250 recommended is that a snping Mr car uh it's just it's just like everyone else's mileage why it says travel as opposed to mileage you know it just hasn't caught my eye yet until just now but that's what it is it's a mileage
typen so it is a stien yeah reflected on the salary ordinance okay okay um Finance Tax Assessor legal advertisements 50120 150 310 100 requested 100
recommended that might be needed this year well they're going that's all yeah it's all I ask for everybody okay with that yes Finance Tax Assessor assess notifications 50120
15046 20900 2,900 requested 2,900 recommended everybody okay with that yeah one one thing with that um and I this is a general question either Pete can answer it that's for an assessment notification right so when
we're doing an assessment I should have put better I should have put a note a better note but she did specifically ask for it to be increased I don't exactly know that answer I I I think it's annual postcard
is that what that is okay all right that's what I was UN unsure unsure of so I'm okay with it it's not a problem all right um Finance Tax assess or Appraisal Services going on to page 14 it starts on the bottom of 13 goes to
14 50120 150 500 10,000 requested 10,000 recommended appeals plus new construction this Line's consistently always you know we find we defending it you know because you see that there's not very much use
but again she's you know it's unknown until April 1st how many appeals there will be uh plus she wanted me to note the new construction that's expected so it is one of those lines we gamble as to how much we're going to need um you know
so it's I know it's on the Cho and block it always is yeah the one thing I'd like to add I think the new construction is I've heard that the Franklin Court project is going to start this year okay yeah but they won't get their tax bills 7% so it won't be this year
and didn't we or wasn't this increased at one point due to a expected appeal forger property yes it was and that the one year got used has that been that's
been settled yes yeah I'm not aware of it any any open you know appeals that I don't know if they file as a matter of course or not just to see uh and I don't know if it will come doe this year I make a motion to deduct 1,000 out
of that I don't think that's enough well I don't want to knowing that going into this year would Franklin Court yeah but Franklin won't be built this year how about 2,000 2,000 I'll go for 2,000 so make it 8,000 yeah
everybody okay with that a second I'll second I'll second no you made and Mr alman's that start Tom started at n went I'll go to seven okay I'm the motion okay who's
give a second I'll second roll call thank you councilman CIO yeah I think we take more but I'm okay with it so say no and we put a new motion up no it's okay councilman seers
yes councilman Omen yes Council woman bz yes council president to sen yes moving on to special engineering no you missed another one sir no I didn't tax map revisions for five five I'm
going special emergency oh a nice catch special emergency tax map revisions wow we haven't done tax revisions in 20 years it's another one I it's always on the chopping block but 50120 153 2 three four five it's five
years and zero yeah uh don't forget we're doing the master plan this year so we may have to revise the maps as an emergency well seriously I don't think it's an emergency right it's part of isn't it part of their I'll make a
motion to reduce it by 10% to 450 the map okay I'll second that I'll make a motion to zero out I don't want to zero it out because it does eventually have to get done and it's going to be in the 20 it's going to be in the tens of thousands of
dollars because our paper maps are but if you if if the planning board is required to do it shouldn't it be in their purview I'm not disagreeing with whose perview it's in but we should leave something there to leave the Line open because eventually it's going to have to get done and it's going to be
into tens of thousands of dollars because I think we did get a cost from Boswell to do it at like what 35,000 or something I remember it was quite High just $500 ain't going to matter that's why I made a motion to reduce it by 10%
to 450 I second it roll call fine Council CIO councilman sear yes councilman Omen yes councilwoman bz yes council president sen yes so can we um can we
ask the administrator Administration to find out like what what we anticipate coming out of the reval and the master plan like are we going to have to do new maps
and if we are is it included in the master plan two quotes that we have one for the master plan and one for the reassessment and if they're not how much it's going to
cost yes so I believe remember when we talked about there was like three options that was given that we could do we could do the total reeval we could do the rolling reassessment and there was another one the one we picked we didn't have to do the new maps at this time
corre was another 35 I remember if it was the reval we we had to do it and that was like an additional cause yeah but the program we chose didn't need it does not need it but I can certainly ask when does that time come and what the
anticipated cost will be at some point we should probably bite the bullet because like you said my we still have the paper ones and to do it electron oh it needs to be done right I remember doing this 25 years ago in my
municipalities here we are in 2025 still not done I agree so um but we didn't include it in this year's budget so we're not including it in this year's budget so Mike can we put a note maybe next year to just Z that's up to the administration that's not up I'm asking
uh Mark can you guys can always increase my line item you think it's necessary not happening um maybe we can take that out because again it's five years there'll be six years running that I think after five years it comes out it comes out so it technically should be will come out next year no matter what
well we have no even if there's a request both lines have to be zero for it to come out the the request and the use yeah I'm saying but we have no use for the last five years so it comes out the line both have to be
zero all right let's move on director of law salary at the bottom of page 14 we're not doing tonight uh Department of Law on the top of page 15 other Legal Services 50120 15526
um explanation why that's a big difference what's that last year no we contributed to the U yeah to that to the yeah so we won't to that anymore so but come down well there's 10,000 for
this year right last year 10 this year yeah but the money didn't come from this line line okay no it didn't come from this line right it did not come from this line now you guys red guys and girls reduced it 6,000 I did speak um
with with Siobhan uh for some supporting facts and as you know we are in litigation with affordable housing um she is capable of doing that and it would be done at a better rate as if we had to go outside for Council we are a
defendant in one current case not not the two you're thinking of maybe might be thinking of from the zoning board adjustment there's another one I'm just going to keep the I don't know if I should say the name I'm just going to keep the name quiet as of this date there are two tax appeals but we won't
know for sure until um April 1st of course we're also doing uh we're in the middle of a land acquisition which you know and you know we've had and land acquisition are included in her normal land acquisition and litigation are not
included in her in her salary but tax appeals are correct I what they were I I think that since that litigation and litigation was always outside scope of the salary all right um this is also not just
exclusively for Siobhan this is used for other Council to or labor Cur our bond Council get paid out of this there's a large property um um sale yeah okay the sale the potential sale of Township properties uh this year
and we've also discussed with Council in close session the possibility of an additional acquisition of land um potentially so just wanted to provide that for some supporting documents I'm sorry supporting facts to uh please keeping
the line Happ as what it was funded the previous year can I ask what the payroll deduction is in the line Siobhan gets paid through payroll because she's an employee so like if it was our labor
Council it it's not through payroll wait a minute she's an employee or is she a professional she I don't know how to explain it but that's the way it started so that's the way it stays so she's paid through payable so there is a director of lost salary
that I see but in other Legal Services there's a payroll deduction yes that would be let me just make sure I'm so Mr so Mr D you're stating that she's an employee just like you are well I for the sake of
explaining it um to you that's how she gets paid is through payroll so when you see it on the audit payroll is going to refer to uh Miss Bailey when you see Legal
Services Ray Wiis um then you see you know the Hawkins uh Delafield and wood that's you know Bob binefeld so but um Miss Miss Bailey gets it will be
reflected as payroll is she on the health state benefits plan she does not receive benefits to town no pension contributions no I can I can follow up with a better explanation of why it's
payroll but um that's when you see payroll It's associated with Miss bailor I probably shouldn't have explained it as employee but for the sake it's of how she's paid it's through payroll okay
any any other discussion on other Legal Services yeah I so last year there was a $10,000 charge to this
line for a contribution to affordable housing yes and we're saying that that's going to happen again this year well we're obligated to um we're obligated for the full 20 I
encumber the um the second payment here because we had extra money so so that's what you're saying I I'd have to I'd have to try and remember where we paid the first 10
at so that was to to reduce our exposure this year so it was an obligation financially that we made in 24 so it was appropriate it was okay but I waited so the 38 includes the second payment is what you're saying uh yes yes y if you remember the
first half of the year was was Miss we did like an emergency thing to get the 10,000 right we found it somewhere right we said no we didn't do an emergency no no but I'm saying we found it somewhere to pay that for 10,000 I don't know if that would came from arpa to no I don't remember I don't want to tell you unless
but in 2025 we do not have to make $10,000 we do not we do not because I encumbered money from the 24 Department of Law so but a good example is it was like the middle of the year and all of a sudden the township you know we wanted to
engage in something that was going to cost us $20,000 and luckily we had a source to take it from so that's you know again I just I understand the importance of of reducing the budget but in some circumstances we can't anticipate what
we're going to run into especially legally God forbid knock on wood we could be you know tomorrow with another lawsuit that we have to defend well hopefully eventually DP will start paying those lawsuits and we don't have to worry about some sometimes we make out pretty good but we haven't had you know we haven't I don't want to say we
haven't lost the lawsuit but been very good the last couple years I might have to take that let's not push it what say you ladies and gentlemen I heard everything Mr Dar Carlo said I appreciate the detailed
explanation the 38 is actually 28 that's correct uh there's a non-recurring expense 28 to 54 is you know I mean I I would just ask the council look at the fiveyear
history uh because this is the type of line as Mr D Carlo said you're going to have highs and lows it's kind of an insurance policy um that we need in case something happens yeah but now that Mr PA is no longer here we have a you know
I find that shoban isn't as uh litigious as Mr PA so hopefully we won't be running as high okay all right what do you want to do mik hold hold on one second and I I'll put my two sense here and I'm sure Peter knows where I'm going with this you know
since Mr par had the understanding that his position was strictly um as the Director of law and the uh attorney of record that his billing include a base salary which is
what you see at line 110 and then anything outside his supposed other legal expenses were at a rate of 130 135 an hour um and I fought with Ken for and wasn't a personal thing
you know that you know that should have been rolled into his salary because it's very hard to um differentiate his basic s his basic salary and wage with other legal services and K and I always argued about
it so I'm just going to bring that point up and I understand that we did have to supplement the uh this line item for other Legal Services the year last year because we wanted to be part of that lawsuit and we contributed $20,000 so as
Mr Man states that is really not a $38,000 spend um that was or recurring spend so I understand where you're coming from I also understand where Pete and Mark are coming from where we have to have money in there God forbid something happens
you know because you never do know but I think um that line item is a little