##VIDEO ID:8yo3cY9QwMc## this is this is not the November 16 2024 planning board meetings called to order this advis the notice time date location to the extent known agenda of subject meeting was primly posted in the public Place deserve for such or similar announcements on October 25th 2024 transmitt to the times Princeton packet where SS planes were own news on October 25th 2024 and follow the Township Clerk on October 25th 2024 Sydney please call the rooll Mr Patel Mr Lao Mr Mr Lao Mr shakel M Mr pan yes Mr beg Miss Bari yes Miss appet councilman Whitfield yes mayor morat yes Vice chairman hberman here chairman carp here thank you uh in the case of Miss applicate is she recusing herself is that why she's not here tonight yeah that should be on the record okay thank you um we have a packed agenda so I ask that um members of the planning board try to refrain from asking the questions until after the presentation so because maybe some of your questions will get answered so we can get through tonight I want to get done by 9:30 if possible so if if it's possible if it's a pressing question by all means let's get that question in yes Simon I'd like I you know me I'm I'm all for uh finishing early Simon you've just wasted some time oh no that was was that a relevant question Simon um okay with that said does any member of the public wish to speak on a non-agenda or non- pending item please step up to the microphone state your name and address for the record you'll be seeing thank you okay first up is application well Jerry do we have jurisdiction here red red one yes okay thank you yes support uh application pb1 18-9 amended Trustees of Princeton University amended General development plan in northwest corner of Washington Road and US Route One blocks 3 Lots 1.01 1 and 1.0 1113 property z e District ml is 11624 zop in here and represented yes we are okay ready to go we're ready excellent thank you Mr chair members of the planning board for the record my name is Christopher degia from the law firm of fager Drinker Biddle and wreath here on behalf of the applicant Trustees of Princeton University the application before you this evening is for an amended General development plan um many of you or a few of you at least should recall that in um January of 2020 the trustees at Princeton University brought an application for General development plan approval before this board and for those of you not familiar a general development plan is not like a site plan at all instead of a docu that has a fully engineered design it's a conceptual planning document and what it is used for is to guide a very orderly and planned development of a very large parcel in this particular case case we have a planned educational development and like I said in in 2020 um at the beginning of 2020 this board granted a general development plan um based on a general development plan an applicant has to come back for all of the different elements of the plan so you can't actually build anything under a general development plan you have to come in for site plans and we've done that since obtaining the general development plan so um this board has seen applications for a structured parking garage we were here for a graduate student housing project we were here for a a tennis uh facility for a softball stadium um tonight however we're here back looking at the general development plan and we would like to to amend it and we're doing this for housekeeping reasons so since we received that original approval some of the boundaries of our main campus Lots there's two of them basically have changed um because of different events for example there was a um boundary near the the toe path part of this State Canal property that um where the university had claim to that property and the state of New Jersey also had claim so we adjusted the boundary and essentially cut off a small portion of the what we believe was Princeton University's property and conveyed it to the state of New Jersey so the amended development plan approval tonight is just to update our records to reflect that we um no longer own that corner piece on the opposite side of the general development plan there was another event where Eden we was vacated by West Windsor Township that resulted in the underlying property going to the adjacent property owner which happens to be University of um Princeton University for the most part A Small Piece went to um psng but for the you know most of it vested back into Princeton University so we would like to bring in that parcel into the general deel that area I should say because it's all part of the lot once we took ownership of that we Consolidated in in with our campus lot and what we would like to do is for the general development plan to recognize those areas there were a couple of isolated areas that were zoned R2 and rom1 and since then West Windsor went through and cleaned it up and essentially reson those little areas to ezone so we're here tonight to ask for an amended General development plan to recognize the actual boundary of the ezone and also the actual boundary of our general development plan in campus when you get to see the slides it may be a little bit easier to understand but actually it's just a house cleaning to be clear we're not changing any of the uses the density uh the floor area the conceptual circulation the conceptual open space none of the elements of the general development plan are going to be talked about tonight because we're not changing those the boundaries being adjusted and we have to update some of the calculations that's it it's very simple um unless you have any um questions i' like to call our first witness who will take us through the presentation and we have a very short present hopefully we can get through quickly and then we can answer your questions Cher how many witnesses do you have I'm sorry how many witnesses this application hopefully only one but I have um about 30 if you have other specific questions yeah the one is good if we need more we'll ask okay Dan can you state your name and spell your last name for the record if you could raise your right hand you swear or affirm that testimony about give be truth just one and D can you tell us a little about your education and um experience there's a microphone we're recording things or you can use um I work as a planner for a firm called Skidmore Owings and Merill I've done that for about 15 years um my original education is in civil engineering from Georgia Tech and I have a master's degree in planning from the University of Pennsylvania um I'm also a aicp certified planner which is a national planning certification um Dan's firm was um a consultant involved with the planning of the general development plan and they've been keeping the numbers and that's why we've asked them to talk about it tonight he's not presenting any planning testimony he's really just talking about how the plan is being adjusted okay thank you um okay so let's start um we have a I believe a 10 page uh exhibit that we can Mark into evidence as A1 um you'll see it up there on your screen uh that would be sheet one and Dan if you could identify the page number as we go through so that it's clear what we're referring to Chris I'm we have not received these as part of the application have no you have just make sure we presented we we put this together for tonight's presentation there was a substantial overlap but we tried to make a a short and simple presentation that will kind of get across what we're showing uh Christopher do you have any hard copy of that um sure well I don't want to take your copy just yeah this is my own copy but I don't really need it so that's A1 okay okay I will shift down okay hello everyone um I think Christopher covered a lot of the background but um it is good to be back here uh almost five years since we originally here for the general development plan I can hardly better yeah great all right um You can advance to second page um so as Christopher mentioned um we were originally here back in January of 2020 almost five years ago now um to receive approval for the general development plan I think Christopher did a good job of explaining what that is so I won't get too much into it um but it does describe how the university intends to grow on the land um that it owns in West Windsor Town sh to eventually expand to a sort of full mixed use campus neighborhood uh in West Windsor Township it provides a framework for that growth to you all for the next 20 years um and overall across that 20 years includes up to um 500 units of graduate and post-doctorate housing and just under a million square feet of sort of non-residential uses go to page three um when we presented the general development plan it included an indicative plan of what we called um the near-term development plan this was intended to be a 10-year Vision um and largely it clusters the first phase of projects nearest to the DNR Canal uh along Washington Road um if you've been out there recently some of these are now built and a few are under construction they've been the subject of site plan approvals um in front of you all as well um and they include the first phase of that graduate student housing um the Racket and Recreation Center a number of athletic uses including a softball stadium rugby and cross country um and the garage and Central utility building um there are a few additional projects in this near-term that have not yet been realized um but are still uh part of the plan go um here on page four um the general development plan also included a midterm plan that I that showed how it would continue to grow in years 10 through 20 um essentially growing uh along Washington Road and including a broad mix of uses additional graduate and postto housing collaboration spaces and more athletic facilities go ahead um page five just identifies that we're going to talk about the proposed changes um so on page six as Christopher outlined this amendment is really to update technical parameters um reflecting the property boundary change and the rezoning to University owned properties it will not change any of the development program that was reflected in those plans that we just saw nor the location or the density of those programs um and I should note that any of the number updates to the various bulk standards are still in compliance with the underlying zoning ordinance um so this is an exhibit on page seven that shows how the boundary has changed on the left side of this uh page you'll see the original approved GDP boundary in red um that covers about 198 Acres uh and it includes two areas identified in Gray at the top that originally were R2 and R1 zoning designations they were not part of the E District um the proposed amendment is on the right and it includes the changes that Christopher outlined uh all told it's about 208 acres and what the the new proposed red boundary does is it includes those lots that had their zoning changed it includes the the property that is now that was adjacent to the vacated Eden Way um and it removes the little area shown in the sort of Notch um in the top of the property um that was dedicated to the state uh in December of 2022 and Dan just for a second here um when we came in with the Jed development plan one of the elements is to show land uses and certain areas and then there were certain areas that we didn't know what will happen with and you know they maybe developed 20 years 30 years 50 years down the line they were they were identified as future development areas all of the new property which is highlighted in the red that is essentially coming into the general development plan are designated as those future development areas so there's no proposed land use there or no you know planning designed for those areas at this moment thanks correct you stole my thunder here so the the next um page eight includes those exhibits this is the general land use plan um again on the left the original approved GDP and on the right the update that includes the new property boundary um as Christopher mentioned all of the the change in property acrs to the um green zone on these drawings which is indicated for future development um otherwise there is no change to the size of any of the land use um bubbles shown on this diagram and um all told the future Development Area grows um by about that 10 acre increment of the increase in property size um finally my last slide uh slide number nine um this is just a summary of the technical parameters that were also um proposed to be updated as part of this um as we talked about in terms of area the property grows from 198 to 20 208 Acres because those properties were added along Harrison Street the frontage of the University's property grows um by a few hundred feet um and as I mentioned the future development land use Zone uh grows to account for that 10 acre change in terms of density and F no change to the proposal um so the non-residential F stays the same and the residential density at 10 dwelling units per acre over 50 acres also stays the same um finally there were some slight adjustments to some of the site coverage and open space percentages resulting from this so open space dropped very slightly owing to that land dedication to the state and Improvement coverage increased slightly due essentially to changes in the the math and inclusion of some areas that hadn't previously been included um and so with that it would welcome any questions but that's a a summary of the changes I have a question a couple questions somebody else no okay so just what my understanding is to summarize is that there's a piece if you go back couple of SL um to slide number six I think it was seven so on the left hand side that little gray area is getting removed from the overall plan now right that little corner there where the mouse is pointing to that we convey to the state of New Jersey so we just want to update the records to to show we don't own it got it and then Eden that took in that red area is now going to be part of the development General development plan so so basic so even though Eden was maybe not part of the original development plan there was something there right well when the lot was vacated by the municipality the trustees at Princeton University Consolidated it into our lot okay so it is part of the lot that makes up the general development plan but because it was at the time zone something different might have been Ro rom1 we couldn't include it as part of our plan educational development so the acreage was part of the property but not part of the general nothing was nothing was developed on it nothing was built on it was empty but zoned differently than the rest of the development plan that's correct okay got it okay um nothing's changed in in F or density what about imper are you able to add more impervious coverage because of uh the change well we weren't really at the max um okay if if you're going to see see essentially a change from what was originally approved but the impervious is essentially the the same the same number um we would have to come in for an amended General development plan to include either those future development areas and Show additional um additional impervious and we could include those acreage as well so it's hard to say how it would adjust over time those future development areas when we calculate some of those calculations we not including those acres in those calculations yet that would that will come down the line EV okay that's all I had thank you question devopment are speak into mic press the red button if it's a future Development Area then how how do you know the um the F and the Improvement coverage is changing or will change completely excluded from that calcul until we have a plan for it and then that's when we'll come to the municipality and tell you about the plan and then the calculations will be updated based on your plan so we're not using that in any way right now it's just something that we own it's going to be part of our planned and overall you know evolution of the campus but it's just too too early in the process to find out or you know Define what's going to go there okay thank you okay anybody else okay um you want to our professionals yeah um going swear you all and if you could each raise your right hand Sam you do too and was do swear affirm the testimony about to give be the truth if you could just state your name for the one before we hear from our professionals there's no other Witnesses for this right not for this application thank you um okay um Ed would you wanna any comments uh really I think the applicant has provided a lot of the overview that our report had provided we have a report dated October 18 20124 where we reviewed all the various documentation that's in the over plan um I did want to point out that we do show as the applicant has indicated the Le that's been currently approved we do have a table on the the the actual document on page two that shows where they are within the development context of the of the overall GDP um in addition to that uh we we would be uh consistent with what the applicant is just indicated as far as the overall changes to the overall area um as it's noted there was a change to the zoning in accordance with the master plan the master plan recognized to extend the E1 land use into that area um and it also was done as a purpose or a function of the zoning in addition to that um we did look through all the various categories of criteria I know where there was a question regarding f it looks like they're still in compliance with the original ezone F and all that conforms um the only question that we had which the applicant indicated from the general layout as far as what might change or what the categories are I was just wondering if there's any changes to phasing it's may not be known at this time but that we did have that on the last page on page five uh no changes to the phasing plan okay thank you um and I I should say something because we're G have that application later today um as a result of some projects on the main campus in Princeton the baseball stadium which we'll see later tonight was pushed forward in the sequence of plan so it's not really you know I guess you could consider it a change of phasing we were planning to do that later on but because of some projects on in Princeton municipality um that is taking the spot of the field there we're pushing forward baseball um sooner than anticipated when we presented the General development plan um four years ago and that didn't involve the uh area that you're adding to the site no okay no changes for phasing with regard to any of the areas we're talking about today and that's all the questions we had chairman thank you thank you okay you wanna nothing no we didn't review it okay cic issues got it thank you Francis uh good evening there really was no engineering issues related to this as uh Mr degia confirmed there's no changes to the vesting period or any of the planned improvements that were under the original GDP uh or the phasing except for what he just discussed regarding the baseball field so it really didn't change any of the engineering issues reviewed under the original GDP okay any questions for France okay at this time I'd open up to the public for any comments regarding this application hearing none a motion to close the public hearing so move Mr chair move by Simon second by Allen all in favor say I I I okay any uh any issues to talk about no okay it's like a cleanup job you know where the with relation to the site things that happened just connecting the lines yeah and and it's not like there's anything that affects the Public's good in any undesirable way okay then I'll entertain a motion to approve the amended pb1 18-9 by J second second by Allen please call the roll cind Mr Lao yes Mr shakel yes Mr panov yes Miss Bari yes councilman Whitfield yes mayor morat yes Vice chairman hberman yes clart yes thank you thank you very much appreciate your time y quick okay next up next up is application pb2 24-8 Trustees of Princeton University baseball stadium preliminary final major site plan Court Drive block 3 lot 1.013 property is zoned e District ml 11624 Jerry Pro public Pro of publication and service are in order and the board has jurisdiction thank you okay is the applicant um present present and um okay great and you have all 30 Witnesses or only 29 we're going to start with a handful of like five and see where it goes that sounds good okay can those five stand up and will swear them in if everybody is going to testify can um stand up and raise your hands okay do swear or affirm in test about to give you the truth so what one offer and if you could go around starting with Ron and just State your full name spill you last night Ron McCoy MCC y I'm University architect Prince thank you Sandy Brock Bok civil engineer thank you uh St show B SSH landscape architect greg patkowski p a CZ K wski associate athletic director for Princeton thank you okay if you could I'm sorry if you could spell a lesson again please it's a long one sorry p a c z k o w s ski p p a TC C okay George jacm j a c qu m a r t parking and traffic consultant thank you thank you uh I I'll I'll intr um so for the record uh let's just uh go through um I'm Christopher degia from the law firm of fager Drinker Biddle and wreath um representing trustees at Princeton University um today we're talking about a preliminary and final site plan for a baseball ballpark um as we talked about earlier um the ballpark is consistent with the general development plan that was approved um in 200 and 20 um it's classified under the area of Athletics and like I said consistent with the general development plan detailed presentation something like 43 slides can move through that quickly with yes Mr chair can answer the question our first uh witness was did everybody was sworn in oh let's uh yeah it's five people sworn in I think they were stated but I wasn't sure did they actually take the oath okay they did okay I didn't realize that was quick um uh this is Ron mcoy University architect who will guide us through the presentation he's been already sworn in um just for the record can you tell us a little bit about your licensing uh yes I have licens is in New Jersey California and Arizona I've been an architect for about 40 years with master's degree from Princeton University and I'm a professor Meritus at Arizona State University your licens is current in New Jersey yes okay thank you and you've testified before this board before yes all right okay so Christopher scared you by saying there 45 slides we're going to go through it much quicker than that slide one is just the title page next I also have uh a team of uh expert uh Witnesses who can talk about civil and landscape and then as you saw we have others on traffic and from our Varsity Athletics group who can answer specific detailed questions about the presentation and then we can go to Q&A at the end this slide shows this is slide two just shows the agenda we're going to talk about the campus context a little bit about the site talk about the the building this is stability issues experience means what the what it looks and feels like and then we'll talk about design wavs now I'm going to sprinkle the design waivers throughout the presentation so I provide design W over an image that answers the design waiver then will end with a summary of the design waivers just to kind of finish that conversation next talking about campus context next so we begin every project at Princeton with what we call a value proposition which is a a narrative a statement of a promise to ourselves of what we will deliver and Achieve with the project we measure each project against his value proposition so there a little bit inside but it shows you what we're aspiring to do with this project and we've highlighted some of the key features here I'm not going to read all of them but it is a state-of-the-art performance venue for Varsity athletes it's also uh dealing with fan comfort and experience it's also uh uh functional and fitting into the context and Landscape of the Lake Campus and Princeton University uh and is and it emphasizes sustainability most importantly the site is a site of GE exchange wellfield that's part of our GE Exchange system that allows this this campus to be part of our carbon neutral system by 2046 next so this is the U slide that we just saw in the previous presentation Slide Five it shows the uh General development plan we've put a red box over the project site to indicate that that was anticipated in the general development plan to the question of phasing we had a near-term near-term phase and long-term phase those are soft boundaries and as Christopher said we have accelerated our planning around this project because it is being we're building another project on the other side of the lake and it's causing this site the baseball site to be relocated to the site on The Meadows in the in the Lake Campus neighborhood next so this is a illustrative slide that shows the the development of the projects now uh if you haven't been there recently I encourage you to go out there The Graduate housing is completely full 604 beds and a Vibrant Community that's in the upper left part of the slide the racket Center has it's opening last weekend with a with a big tennis tournament lots of activity there uh rugby is out busy practicing uh the garage has been open and the Geo exchange system called Cub is is operational so we're we're making progress on the plan as we had as we had indicated um now let me say also something about the racket Center that's part of baseball in that racket Center is the home for the locker rooms for the varsity baseball team varsity softball team visitors teams umpires things like that so there's a bit of a relationship then between the racket Center and the and the baseball field that we'll be talking about today slide seven next slide seven this shows an aerial recent aerial photograph again showing the proposed baseball ballpark with the red box around it and the development of the site now I'm going to pause here for one of the design waivers because uh Emily if you can point to the uh athletic operations building building that building there we we we when we design the campus and design individual buildings on the campus we're looking at a campus context so the design waiver is uh section 200- 27. D2 schedule of off Street loading requirements requires one loading area for up to 10,000 square fet of building floor area for places of public assembly whereas the applicant does not comply so the reason we're not complying is because our deliveries will be taken at that ath operation building so trucks will drop drop off deliveries at that building again in designing a campus-wide system and carts and Caboto you know sort of athletic Caboto will take material from the uh athletic operations building to the baseball field when I talk about the baseball field in a bit more detail you'll see where the service access is to the playing field or to The Concourse so that's how we manage the and satisfy the offload off Street loading requirements we can come back to this later if there's any questions slide eight so this now is zooming in a little bit in in context Washington Road would be off to the left here the cross country course is to the bottom and the racket Center is to is to the top this just shows it this baseball site in context the the project includes the field the public amenities the grand stands the seating and the M Landscape around it and most importantly include pedestrian and fire lane on the left side of the of theball field which provides uh emergency access can you go back one slide the parking garage is along Washington Road that's so that's garage that's gonna be associated with right so fans with fans and will park at the parking garage and walk and I have a have ailt that's completely yes yes we have some slides show circulation okay let's go forward to slide nine now slide 10 so we talk about a different the details of the site so to your question you just asked this shows the um parking strategy um and it shows the uh vehicular access routes so uh cars would enter the site from Washington Road park in the parking garage uh there are some then emergency and delivery routes that go to across uh uh Court Drive to the racket Center you see that Black Arrow that points to the athletic Ops building at the right hand side of the racket Center and then emergency vehicle access is is the limited access on the purple uh drive on the west on the left side of the baseball stadium so that's that's the way site works the ability to get the handicapped persons at wheelchairs for example uh driven to the stadium through that routing uh they could drive to the uh turn there's a turnaround where that purple line intersects the black line so that's where that a disabled person could be dropped off but in a minute you'll see all the pathways on the campus are also fully accessible which is again how we manage traffic on the campus we do not have uh at individual buildings on the campus we do not have on on the main campus we have a regional located accessible parking not at every individual building there's another access to harison Street or all of this is via Washington all via Washington Road there's another design waiver that I think I'll point out here uh section 20029 n.3 talks about bicycle parking design principles and it requires that where bicycle access is combined with motor vehicle access driveway shall be not less than 30 ft if two-way direction is provided whereas the application the applicant proposes widths of plus or minus 22 feet and 38 of an inch this waiver was previously granted in connection with the Lake Campus South resolution so this is a previously discussed resolution and approved and we're we're continuing that strategy of having 22 foot wide uh driveways on the campus slide 11 this is The Pedestrian access so uh now picking up if if you dropped your car off at the garage you'll follow the blue line You'll see there's lots of pedestrian routes here there are pedestrian routes to the upper left that go through the graduate student housing and over Washington Road Bridge to the campus there are pedestrian routes that cut across the meadow and from the garage to the home plate area of the baseball field and there are pedestrian axes on the uh North South walk on the west on the left side of the baseball stadium so it's a kind of park-like setting it gives lots of Pathways for V for visitors to come and uh visit the baseball field um this also shows in the in the kind of purple triangles the primary entrances to the baseball field the upper left in the left field Corner that's a service entrance and on the left side of the stadium there are three pedestrian entrances uh all bringing all bringing fans and visitors to The Concourse one of them is particularly for Ada access we I'll get to this later we'll have Ada Ada access to the field level as well as to The Concourse level next so this is deals with the question of uh accessible accessible access this is a map that shows all of the a ADA Compliant Pathways which are all less than a 5% slope and so the entire pathway system on the campus is 88 compliant uh next slide 13 this shows the the bicycle axis which pretty much parallels The Pedestrian axis so it's not a separate bicycle route our bicycles and pedestrians share the same uh transportation system we do have um bicycle parking shown in the blue circles one is along the left field line and one is behind home plate there's one also in the Outfield that that's shared by rugby and then there's there's bicycle parking throughout the neighborhood at this time where we're at with your development at Lake does the bicycle Lanes along Washington they are they're open that line that Line's open yes yes uh next slide 14 shows the site Furniture uh you'll see the little red the little circles in the bottom right hand corner of each of each uh photograph showing bike racks benches waste receptical and ballards that control traffic on that limited road which is for for emergency vehicles um probably the plaza off of the home plate entrance onto the Concourse is the main area where benches and receptacles are held but there's also some uh bik racks along the left field foul foul line for a kind of middle middle site access in that point next so now we're going to talk about sport lighting uh the sport you'll see here the height of the light poles they are 80 foot in the Outfield and 100 feet in the uh first and thir power lines and behind home plate the uh uh these were all granted under variances that were that were submitted as part of the GDP and that the GDP the that theut maximum so we' exceeded that but that variance has already been granted um they will one some details about the about the field lights is they will have automated control systems that ensure the lights are turned off no later than 11: p.m. and the lights will only be used when games or practices are are in session next slide 16 now uh I think we showed this back when we were doing the GDP application but uh the technology of athletic uh lighting has really uh improved over the decades you see from 1977 on the left to today on the right so with uh glare control and led technology the brightness that flows into the sky and the brightness that falls away from the field is tightly controlled so the light goes where you want it and and you reduce cleare significantly so the light on the right is the today system of the LED lighting that we'll be using on the fields uh so this new generation of lri just has very sharp cut offs and they keep the sky dark next slide 17 is just uh the next these slides 17 and 18 are just illustrations that show those light light light poles as part of the rendering system so here we are looking down the uh the right field line and at the at the light poles and next slide slide 18 along the left field line showing the light pose slide next next slide 19 this shows the photometrics you probably cannot read this the dark the bright green there around home plate in the infield is uh 100 to 125 foot candles and the dimmer Green in the Outfield is 60 to 100 foot candles so this is the lighting that's also required for televised uh baseball night baseball games at night um the there's also a system that's part of the stadium which I'll talk about here the speakers system will comply with all state and local noise noise or ordinances the system is fitted with um limiters to control the sound level and I'll point out that the nearest resident is400 feet away next slide 20 this shows the different Paving systems uh we can talk a little bit more about Paving when when uh when Niche presents the civil engineering strategies and storm water management strategies but you'll see here the diagram of grasscrete and uh porest concrete pavers as well as porous asphalt those are the main systems of the pathways and walkways you'll also see the red rectangle around a designated food truck area that's that's how concessions will be had at the stadium there's not there's not a facility that cooks food on site we have our food truck that comes there and that food truck is in a designated area that's off of the emergency Lane to keep the emergency vehicles free from any any obstacles um there's another design waiver related to this one which is section 200- 36.1 which has to do with the use of perious and impervious surfaces requires that impervious surfaces shall be used for all drives and parking areas whereas the applicant proposes to use porest pavers for the fire access this waiver was previously granted in connection with the Lake Campus South resolution and again Niche can talk about the advantage of of prvious pavement when she talks about storm waterer management now slide 21 23 I'm going to let sto take over and talk about the landscape strategy go to testimony you give us some of your sure uh thank you I'm sure uh my name is St B I'm a director at the P operations it's landcap architecture F based in New York City uh I have a Bach of Agriculture from my University of Tokyo and I have a master of landscape architecture from University of Pennsylvania I've been practicing landscape architecture over 15 years and I'm licensed in New Jersey as well as uh Pennsylvania no license Kent New Jersey yes okay thank you sure uh so I will walk you through uh few slid for the planting design so this is slide 21 uh shows the proposed tree planting uh so first the the main pathway west of the field will be lined with the honey locust uh which is shown us the light uh Green Dots uh and these trees will create you know the uh environment uh providing shade also navigating the people to the uh Plaza and then conour at the sou the pass and also the South edge of the the site uh will be uh defined with various types of trees uh next please uh slide 22 uh showing the propos Tre palette uh as you can see it's a mix of the cany trees uh including the honey locust red maple uh spa and one flowering tree species and one Evergreen Tre species and these species match uh what has been planned in p l campus project to provide it the uh continuity between this project and the lake campas project uh next please slide 24 23 sorry 23 uh showing the proposed ground caral planting plan so the uh area uh west and southwest of the field uh will be long uh for the outdoor activities events uh uh to allow for the flexible use which is shown as green here and then the rest of the site will be the metal uh which shown us the orange and uh light blue uh to blend in the uh with the surroundings i' like to bring up our I'd like to bring up our next um window Dr Brock can you tell us a little bit about your education and your licensing sure so my name is Sandy Brock I am a registered uh professional engineer in Massachusetts and in New Jersey in good standing uh I graduated many many decades ago from uh college and I went happened to go to uh University of Massachusetts at LOL which was actually University of low when I attended it um I have over 30 years of experience in the civil engineering field um I'm approaching 40 but I haven't been able to make myself say that yet so if you have any questions on my experience I'm happy to uh give you more detail that's fine thank you so please continue with the SL sure so I'm going to give an overview of what the storm water is I'm going to start with the site plan just to orientate yourself what the different storm water systems are you just heard from Ron and the landscape architect about all the porous surface is so when you're looking at this particular site Basin one is right at the main entrance to the ballpark that is a of course P system which was shown on one of the previous slides in addition to that you have the what's already been the access uh path and Fire Lane which is a combination of uh porest P system and a system called grasscrete which also was shown on a previous slide and then you have a porous pavement uh sidewalk that goes goes out to the garage so all of the surfaces on the site other than the actual ballpark structure is actually imp is considered impervious under the regulations but are all porous systems of pavement within the ballpark itself you have the uh the actual baseball field which is a Turf system which is hor and goes into a storm water management system underneath so starting at the entrance that is what we call base one that is a porest paer system and underneath it with a reservoir of stone you can look at Basin 2 which is our largest system and you'll see in a moment just how much work that does that is uh Crush Stone underneath the athletic field so the uh synthetic tur Fields you have uh the what's would be called the carpet then you have a stone layer underneath that stone layer you have approximately 3 fet of additional stone for uh storm water storage and then on the first base on this particular slide it's the darker blue that's a deeper uh infiltration system and I'll show you a slide on that in a moment to give you a little bit more detail and then finishing up with both the porous walkway that goes out to the garage the standard porest pavement system with crushed stone underneath it in addition to that you have the final component of the storm water system which is the the uh multi-purpose access which is the fire lane also which again is is the forest paper system with the brass crate underneath that it's a series of stepped infiltration systems I will also show a a section of that just so that you understand what those systems are that just gives you a placeholder for all of different storm water systems on the site which I'll discuss in a little bit more if you go to the next slide what slide is this this this will be 25 we're still on A1 20 slide 25 this is really talking more about the approach to the storm waterer uh management system uh this the system was designed for the baseball system itself and obviously this is meeting uh New Jersey D storm water standards it's meeting drcc it's meeting Marsa County requirements and of course it's meeting West Winds or Township storm water requirements uh in addition to that uh Princeton University has their own goals for sustainability and storm water which we are also U meeting with that and when I show you some of the numbers you'll understand that this slide is really just to show you the area of the site and where the water goes now with an overlay of where the system is bottom line we've looked at each one of these areas there're uh shown on here as dp1 which is design point1 it just shows a flow to what's going to the existing softball in the proposed condition we're actually making it smaller the reason all of these are shown is just to demonstrate we're not impacting any of the existing storm water already designed and installed in reality when you look at the Ballpark it is uh design point3 which goes into the regional Swale that is the bulk of what we're designing for that is the key one that's what most of the calculations are uh concentrated on basically on that we're actually increasing the amount of area going into the regional bio uh retention system the bottom line is we're doing a dramatic reduction of flow to that uh Regional uh sale which is actually you know from this particular area which is for the ballpark so when you look at the actual numbers and I actually just took the 2100e storm for the 100-year storm event to give you an example so in the existing conditions you know from the runoff for that particular storm is um you know 47.8 89 in the existing condition and then when you look at it in the you know proposed it's going down to 26.5 s and this is again not our current storm but the 2100e storm you have a 44% reduction I'll talk a little bit more about that because that has to do with some of Princeton's uh their sustainable goals and their storm water goals even though this is being presented for baseball itself we also are looking at this site in context to the rest of the campus so when we look at it we're looking at the location of this it's a prime location we've being a little aggressive on the amount of storm water because if F you know future type of developments come in this will help in all of that for right now this is only for the ballpark and these are the numbers and if you go to the next slide this is 26 and I just want to show you uh a typical section to give you a couple of numbers and again I'm happy to get into the details I will talk next two hours if you like but I don't think that's anyone would like that so this is a section through the ballpark and generally what this shows is that underneath the actual field there's three feet of stone just for storm water underneath that area is where the Geo exchange is and then off to the first base side is actually a deeper section and that's the infiltration component of it it's done that way so that we can get down to clean a soil there was some back and forth with the uh you know Township um engineer about what we were doing here just to explain it this section does show that the the kind of uh brown color there is where the Geo exchanges above that is three fet of stone and then to the left on the left hand side is a little bit deeper section just to give you a general number on how much volume is here it's just under a million gallons so it's uh uh 970,000 gallons of volume here that's why we're getting that 47% reduction the next slide this is just showing how we're going to accomplish meeting all of the regulations and then enhancing it on the slope down from that access path and it's a step system we went into great detail to kind of make sure that it's capturing and infiltrating the 1.25 inch storm the bulk of the quantity that's being taken care of has to do with the the uh field the storm water system underneath the field this is again just showing the approach and trying to take advantage of all the areas all of the um Forest pavement systems and then adding Stone underneath it to enhance not only capturing and being able to recharge but just enhancing everything on this site as far as storm water goes that kind and that was referring to slide 27 and now we're on um the next section thank you Sandy this is a building and we're starting with slide 28 and then that's a title slide so we're going to 29 and this is again University architect Ron McCoy great so breaking from the storm water management strategies let go back to the architecture for a bit um this shows uh an illustration of the baseball Ballpark and some of the key features on the chart on the left we point out that there's 463 spectator seats including 14 Ada seats uh and the actual built structure is about 7,800 square feet of structure the notes at the top point out some of the key features there's a ground there's the field is at the field level above that is The Concourse level above that is the Press Box level the Press Box level also has coaches office and team meeting spaces and then um you'll see a maintenance building out into the left field corner and a scoreboard uh out in the left center field quter uh Corner um I think next slide slide 30 this is the playing field plan uh this basically just points out where bull pins dugouts um Service uh Services the seating Along The Concourse number 11 in the right field outside the right field foul line is a grass seating burm number 12 behind the fence in right field is a visitor um bullpen so all the amenities at field level for the Varsity Sport next slide 31 this is a detail of the uh ground of The Concourse level the plaza is at the lower left of the slide that a group of spaces in the middle of The Concourse along the first base slide first base SL is the restrooms mechanical room electrical room and an elevator is in yellow so that elevator connects this this Concourse to the upper level which is has the prep box there's also a stair right next to that elevator along the first base side there are uh again more restrooms in that location and then you'll see the blue are the rooftops of the dugouts next slide 32 shows the Press Box level you see the yellow box coming up from the elevator and the green stair coming up to this level there is a walkway parallel to the first base uh sideline that is an exterior walkway that's the kind of light uh blue then there's a purple which is interior and the orange are the interior rooms of the offices and the uh classroom uh at the upper part of the on the top of the drawing on the left is an outdoor exterior deck for viewing and also on the first Bas side is a exterior deck for viewing next slide 33 is transitions next slide 34 I'm just going to talk about the the headlines of the of the sustainability strategies here as I mentioned this field is built on top of the GE exchange system which is a major commitment for our carbon neutrality goals uh in addition to that we have low carbon design strategies for the building and materials themselves we're managing wasted materials the site and the Landscapes are designed to be sustainable through soils and plantings native plantings the storm water management you saw that as a major feature of our sustainability strategies and then health and wellness is optimized through solar orientation and daylight into all the interior office spaces next now transition slide 35 36 this is the primary pallet uh of the of the facility starting at the left you'll see the underside of the roof decks uh and the and the uh top level is a wood siding or wood material so you can see those in the rendering that's shown here the vertical facade of the Press Box is a um uh composite uh aluminum and zinc CL in very similar to the racket Center that we've built out in the Lake Campus The Concourse ground cover is a um I mean the concrete block that's part of the U CMU buildings of those sort of service buildings is a as a um a ground face CMU there is a press level wood deck that's outside that space on the the deck at the right hand side of that rendering and there's a bit of an orange uh uh awning that kind of has a stripe around sep the ground level from the upper level Press Box area those are the primary materials next slide 37 this is a rendering uh from the entry Plaza which is at the home home home plate area um you'll see in the lower left hand side of the slide there's a uh a key plan this shows you a little bit of the texture of the porest paving and the porous asphalt um it also is a view to the gate that brings you into the facility and uh you'll see the the Press Box level above that you'll see excuse me is that the grass crate that you had referred to yes that's the grass crate right so I I just have a question about that have you you have it on campus now yes in terms of Pathways yes how does that work with a handicapp person in a cane or scratches um I think it's a distinct texture which is one of the things that ADA requires is is a Clarity of the distinct textures and so so they're guided to stay on the smooth texture which is the asphalt pathway the paper pathway so they would basically stay off of that yeah um I would point out here that we do not show exterior facing signage that was a comment from staff uh and that exterior facing signage will be part of a future application so right now we don't have the exterior signage designed so that'll be part of a future application similarly there was a question from staff about uh directional and instructional signage there will be directional signage and that will also be part of the submission for a separate sign application package that we will submit at a later date next slide 38 I'm going to show you a few renderings of the facility this is down the first base side so you see the fan seating on the Left Behind home plate and then also on the third base side here's you view of the Press Box above home plate and the second level and the uh coach's offices that you can see through that sort of glazed Corridor I pointed out through the office to the to the daylight below we're using bird safe glazing also on the coach's office's side of the building there's a netting on this side of the building so we don't have bird safe glazing on the field side of the of the building um next slide 39 this is an AAL view looking at the same same vantage point this shows you more of that sort of orange uh ribbon that wraps around the the upper Concourse um next slide 40 now we're looking along the Third Base Line back toward home plate and you'll see that upper ex that upper viewing deck above and the open Concourse and then the uh the bleachers uh uh facing onto the field next slide 41 this just summarizes the seating capacity the season is from mid mid from February to miday weekday games start at 3M weekend double headers start at noon the use of the field is for Varsity athletes and club sports only there will be some limited exceptions for maybe up to five uh games per year for say a high school championship or something like that uh there's also fall practice on the field and the average attendance of a baseball game is is less than 200 however uh for a ivy league tournament at the end of a season if Ivy League tour is held here that would fill go up to the capacity that we've provided for for the 463 seats okay sorry the capacity of the stadium is 463 seats yes and that's that's the parking calculations are based on that capacity okay thank you um next slide now this is just a transition to the design waivers next slide 43 this is a summary of the design waivers and I've touched on all these as we've gone through the presentation so in spite of Christopher's scary scary statement that we had 45 slides I hope that was succinct and clear and I think we're ready for uh questions where is the um the the the I believe there a softball stadium where is that relative to the baseball park and the parking that you pointed out is that is that uh cumulative for housing and other two stadiums or is that separate parking is for the entire community so it's for the facilities and also for the gradate student housing um and you'll see here the softball field is just to the left of the baseball field and uses the same pedestrian Network the same vehicular Network the same access and servicing strategy and things like that where's the tennis racket center is right above that to the north of that slide seven shows the softball field too yeah and so the racket Center is that building there that's 180,000 square feet that has nine indoor Varsity tennis nine indoor Varsity tennis courts and then you'll see the outdoor Varsity tennis courts so six immediately south of that building and three more to the right hand side of that building so it's indoor and outdoor tennis for Varsity men's and women's tennis and then and a fantastic indoor squash facility which you have to go visit where's the pickle ball that's Greg want really okay great thank you but there they 100 four parking spaces for all of these um athletic as well as no that that that 105 parking spaces was just for this for the for the capacity of this stadium so where's the other parking it's all in the garage there's a so I could I could just say very simply when we came in with our um South applic that had 612 spaces um including uh I get that I think that goes up to six what we expansion of the garage approved which would bring us to another 325 spaces so um we've show how everything works under the current 664 spaces um but if there is a need to expand we already have those in place and we could add easily another 325 getting us to almost you know almost a thousand overall I think it's 989 with the surface Lots is that shown on the map yes uh so that's uh it's pointed out with the the parking garage that was approved and then the expansion area is that area just where the where the Coaster's on right now that and is that with the 104 botom spaces are so the building itself has the 612 and then the the what looks like grass on that slide the expansion area to add 325 spaces then so where are the 104 parking spaces for the ball park that was just a calculation of what was needed and they would be in the garage the garage is what 612 spaces I think 612 okay thank you and Chris am I correct that in the uh General land use plan there's also also uh a sec possibility a second parking garage closer to Highway one am I correct on that I believe that was shown and that was part of the original application right the original GDP that we did I think it was uh conceptual parking area yeah it was a yeah that was part of the uh General development plan approval five years right that makes sense to me okay I have one more question about you said that these facilities are only for Princeton University students or are they open to the uh to Outsiders I'm sorry could you say that again the facilities are only for Princeton University players and you know University of Varsity athletes did you say something about high school I said that we we we may have up to five uh non-university events per year such as a high school championships but that's that's a should be determined another example would be a nonprofit that may want to use the field for some type of event but it's it's it's generally for the varsity and Club Athletics okay we don't discuss the cost of our projects to the extent that I can tell you if you want your name on there we can talk okay then we can start talking okay uh just just well curious um this is replacing clarkfield and Princeton correct so what's the plan for clarkfield princ clarkfield is um is going to be the home of future facilities for the School of Engineering and most immediately just to the uh east of clarkfield we are planning to do a new Quantum Science Institute so uh that is that has been submitted to the Princeton planning board uh as a concept design and we're going forward with a major site PL submission soon that then will also cause us to do some uh site work on clarkfield we have to we're going to blast that site for future Geo exchange Wells and the blasting of that site for future exchange Wells causes us to relocate clarkfield to this side of the lake thank you okay continue any any additional no that's questions questions any other um testimony no nope okay we may end up for uh we may end early after all um bu yeah I could say that we did receive uh five staff reports we've went went through them um there were no issues that we've identified most of the things were stuff that we would comply with or would become a condition of approval or that we had already addressed um with some changes to the plan um we did put together uh we did take the reports just so the board members know we did take the reports and put together draft responses that I circulated to um the Consultants I can Mark those into evidence if you want those part of the record um I have copies too if You' like so uh we can mark this in the record as um A2 and it's five reports uh essentially the municipal engineering planning landscape architect traffic and fire reports that we received and we took those reports and typed in our responses underneath them I have about 20 copies here I believe staff should have them staff has these right okay okay no no Jerry do you have a copy would you I have a copy okay I have extra copies if go want but basically I we you know we believe that we've addressed in our comments or will address any concerns raised I I don't I thank you for making the copies but I think that staff has it's the most important thing because they'll address it um before we listen to the staff I'm just going to read into the record Chief Lynch's memo dated October 28 2024 addressing um fire safety um overview applicant is proposing instruction of a baseball stadium and Associated improvements applicant has provided a composite drawing showing emergency vehicle access to the site which is adequate and complying with the Township emergency vehicle access ordinance due to the limited access no parking fire Lanes will shall be created by the applicant along all curb areas to restrict curbside parking from the entire site water supply for the fire protection is adequate for fire department response conclusion applicant has address all concerns raised by this office and we now recommend approval and you're okay with his um no fire Lanes corre okay great okay um C of Engineers you wanna I'm sorry Francis you want to go yeah let me S you all in uh if you could raise your right hand Sam why don't you do that too um do you swear or affirm the testimony about the give be the truth I do I do so so so sworn or firm just if you could just go around and St your PL Francis gig Township engineer Ed snik professional planner and also acting in landscape architect this application okay um I pointed you Francis but is that okay to you you go first sure check it up a bit okay um okay good evening we prepared a report of October 25th 2024 most of the items in that report have been touched on by the applicants professionals this evening uh I have no object objections or questions as a followup to the testimony I heard this evening uh a number items discussed dealt with design waivers that were either being requested conservatively even though the majority of them had been granted as part of the original GDP approval so I think to be conservative they were requesting a number of those triggered by this application uh and again similar to the the time of the GP there's no exception to granting those waivers by the board at this time should they uh deemed um acceptable to do so um I'm just trying to think if there's anything really significant to talk about uh the one comment uh oh I will also say that I received the applicant's response to theing review memorandum as just discussed by Mr degia they did go through and thoroughly address each of the issues and statements made in the engineering memorandum the only issue that I would like to continue is with regard to the utility comment under 4.01 which is regarding the sanitary sewer flow um there's an indication in the response that there is a sewer flow estimate provided in the environmental impact statement report by vhp engineering uh which results in a relatively low estimate of 410 gallons per day um and I'm assuming based on that flow and the capacity being hundreds of of seats as well as the players that it's probably based on not a peak of during a game experience but an average over the year um determined to a a gallon per day so since we really don't have this type of facility elsewhere in the township I would still like to have Stony Brook be okay with this averaging of the flow as calculated as a condition of the approval and if they're okay with the way that it's done then I agree that um 410 gallons per day does not trigger a allocation requirement from Township Council which is triggered at 2,000 gallons per day and it similarly would not need uh njd approval so okay so so uh applicants okay with um francis's assessment of Stony Brook to assess the the gallons per day yeah I guess we need to contact Stony book Brook and make sure they confirm with how we calculated the uh the numbers they're under 2000 Stony Brook will say that you know we're fine we don't have jurisdiction if they disagree we have to get their okay Jerry you have that as a condition okay yeah but other than that if the board has anything specifically they want to ask about the report comments or responses thank you Francis I have one question sure on 2.03 um now was it the G in their response the applicant's response they say this was previously granted this design waiver in the Lake Campus South resolution um and you would said in the GDP is it the GTP uh the Lake Campus South was the site plan approval okay but that's correct and like yeah yeah but there is a good chance that there was also granted in the GDP if the GDP anticipated the uh subdivision of the track boundary which exist today Umi so yeah about traffic parking and we received uh applicant among those six of theming in site plan metri and calculation graduate student housing distribution and paring requirement work so based on we we can state that his address all I mean one of the concerns I had about uh parking that the applicant addressed very very well was um that the the garage has card access and you know I was trying to figure out before I got into the depth of it how a visitor would get into the parking garage if it was card access and yet the made it very clear that on the days of ball games that the gate would be open and people could park there am I corre I'm correct Ron yeah okay so we clear anybody okay see none Ed you're up thank you very much good evening everyone Ed snikes from Burgess Associates um I'm acting in two capacities first is the planning document we had plan prepared a report dated October 24th 2024 just skipping through this document because the applicant has definitely provided a lot of overview with regard to the proposed development just will note that this is consistent with the master plan as what as proposed the zoning is also consistent with the E uh education District uh as well as the operations I know the applicant has indicated a number of these items with regard to the times of use uh proposed utilization we just heard discussion about that uh in addition uh they did talk a little bit about noise generation but I do have a little bit of a question if whether or not there will be any emergency generators uh being used at the site U is that something maybe we can have answered at this point sure any any there's no emergency generator okay thank you very much um with regard to signage they've addressed the freestanding and and exterior wall signage and directional signage with will be all subject to another and that the site plan under lighting it is recognized as we had noted in our report that they did receive W uh I think variances associated with four of the actual ball field lights which they are proposing um in addition to that the hours of operation they talked about the parking calculation I know quasi had just talked about that uh bike racks as well they've indicated those on the plan in the architectural plan they did provide and we appreciate all the renderings and illustrations for the board's review and identifi the fixed seating that's associated with the application um also in concessions and it was clarified that there will be a sort of a University Campus Dining food truck to serve the concession facility I also take no exception with the design waiver relief that's been for uh the four items that have been identified I think the applicant has properly identified them uh for the board's consideration um and that's the planning report from landscape architecture quick question for you so regarding the design WB relief section 13 14 15 16 I remember testimony regarding um perious impervious coverage you're okay with uh bicycle parking Des location driveways off Street loading based on their testimony yes and I felt that the the applicants indicated that they have the reduced driveway widths and that's really where the bike issue becomes and I think that's only reasonable at an intersection of of a roadway before we move on to um landscap any questions Okay no Okay than continue um we did prepare a memo October 24th 2024 again the applicant has really addressed a number of the issues with regard to uh tree preservation um they've indicated that on the plan we did just I identify one minor item with regard to trees that are adjacent to Luna Drive Frontage they've indicated an appropriate response that they'll change in note relative to that for the compaction due to the fact that that would be the main Ingress and egress for construction activity to the site so that was one thing that we wanted to make sure was properly addressed on the plan and it is at this point okay any questions regarding Landscaping so on so forth anybody okay thank you um at this point I would like to open it up to the public um if you have any comments please step up to the microphone state your name and address for the record you'll be sworn in for your testimony hi my name is Sylvia ascarelli I live at 27 Melville Road yeah and if you if you could raise your right hand just wait um do you affirm that testimony about to give me the truth it's comments but sure so what I from okay um my comments have to do um with regard to the the bicycle and pedestrian paths and uh the University's interest in sustainability which which I applaud and first the the New Paths along the path along Washington Road is is lovely however when it turns North it dead ends into brush near fiser place um or Route One at fiser place and in the interest of sustainability and in the interest of both Princeton University students and West Windsor residents interested in safely Crossing Route One um I would encourage the university to work with both West Windsor and New Jersey DOT to connect the path so there's an opening there at Fisher opposite fiser place um there is already an existing pedestrian crosswalk signal there which many of you may not be aware because you just drive through there but it is there um and Crossing at fiser place trust me is much more appealing than Crossing Route One at Washington Road I'm sure all of you are already aware of how crazy it is when you're driving there probably already seen some cyclists and some pedestrians Crossing um so it would be much more pleasant to be able to cross at fiser place and making this Improvement would also give Westwinds or residents an alternative to driving should they want to go to the baseball game once the stadium is built thank you thank you sure this is Christ a director development Christ we haven't had you swor in so let's get you you can raise your right hand do you s or affirm that testimony about to give be the truth I do thank want orir uh Kristen appleget uh assistant vice president for community and Regional Affairs at Princeton University uh just wanted to comment uh and say uh uh we agree with the uh uh comment about the fact that it's feels safer to cross Route One at fiser Place rather than at at the Washington Road intersection and in fact that's exactly why the university in our general development plan and in the first phase of development of the Lake Campus developed a comprehensive system of paths that connect from the DNR Canal top path out to Route One uh we have over several years been in communication with New Jersey J do who are proceeding we believe uh with plans to uh do some widening on Route One and we had made the connection up and that fiser place uh intersection and we're Notting in anticipation of NJ do moving forward so that that final connection can be made because we do agree that having cyclist Crossing at that fisher Place uh Boulevard uh Fisher place um access point with route one uh is is much preferred so we do look forward to working with West wisor Township and hopefully the New Jersey do um at sometime in the near future it's a project they've been talking about for quite some time Chris and I laugh because I know it's been at least 20 years they've talked about such widening of Highway one through that part of West Wind it's it's uh Vice chair hman it's a different widening than was anticipated years ago with milstone bypass and whatnot but it is a widening of Route One to encourage um more through but in that con sometimes congestive or which should we say often ConEd section of rout one let's just hope do moves forward but that's soon I I have no thought happen but well Hope Springs Eternal yeah just just to build on what he said I mean the West approv that widening at least seven years ago and there's been zero communication since I became m Communication in last seven years of when that widening is will happen okay we can we can hope um anybody else from the public wish to step up and um comment on tonight's application okay seeing none hearing none I'll entertain a motion to close the public hearing so Mr move by Simon second by I'll second second by Allan all in favor say I hi hi okay any uh discussion anybody questions Darry yeah just the one question I had um related to the uh the Landscape Architects um thing comments at the bottom of page two of his report but I I think that's been covered um the only other thing is the separate signage package I don't think we need a condition on that the university is going to either submit one or not um Grant this is shaking his head no I agree yeah okay the testimony was that they'll provide a sinus package when they come in for the site plan right well no um actually this this doesn't have it externally facing that is planning on coming n in package so you'll see something that'll say you know donor Stadium like yeah Lao field sounds very good to me so so refresh my memory when when Princeton University came before us with the Lake Campus regarding the uh the housing element and the uh the the tennis building element uh which are which are now built did we have to deal with signage issues on that those particular I believe we're going to be incorporating those signs in as part of the package that you'll will eventually submit yeah but when we did those those what I just mentioned I don't remember dealing with signage on those not have signage as part of those packages so we have to catch up and submit one one comprehensive package that'll pick up athletic the racket Center and also these new facilities thank you yeah that makes sense okay anybody Simon h question no comments anybody okay I'll entertain a motion to approve pb2 24-8 the trustees at Princeton University baseball stadium move Mr chair second move by Simon second um Jo um please please call the with the conditions that with the with the conditions that um our professionals have enumerated and Jerry's is recorded very thoroughly I'm watching him right um please call the roll Mr laa yes Mr chel yes Mr panov yes Miss Barry yes councilman Whitfield yes mayor morate yes Vice chairman herberman play ball I approve let me ask University a quick question um I know on some of the documents at calledo baseball stadium on other scho baseball ballpark do we do you carry the way which call it I don't think we care we're call it baseball ballpark for this application but if you look at our website I think it'll have a different name so we're I just wanted doesn't really matter yeah and chairman C yes okay um thank you very muchat thank [Music] you we have anything else are wej uh meeting adjourn s