I thought you were saying we're live you are live ready you guys ready all right going to call the me going to call the meeting in order time is now 7:00 requirements of the sunsh law have been met this meeting was advertised in burington County Times on January the
7th 2024 an electronic notice was given to njac 5 39- 1.5 we will now start with the pledge of allegiance of United States of America and to the stand
indivisible andice for all we will now have a moment of silence roll call committee woman Berkeley present committee Clark here committee woman here committee woman right present mayor Henley present also present Township solicitor Township
administrator clerk assistant Township administrator Police Chief Fire Chief we I have a presentation from harberg insurance of course thank you thank you thank you
sir good evening my name is Paul myola thank you for giving me some time on your agenda this evening um I um I served as executive director to the uh Burl Co GIF for 30 years ver 30 years of existence I helped organize the feasibility study in 1990 that led to
the creation of the bring County Municipal joint Insurance Fund and I'm here tonight uh because your membership in the GIF is up for Renewal and we like to come out and meet personally with mayor and councel uh talk about the joint Insurance Fund some of our accomplishments and basically what's
what's going on today so we'll all flip over to first page here new exposures and challenges these are some of the things that we didn't even anticipate three or four years ago that have really had an impact on our joint Insurance Fund and the insurance industry in general um the
reinsurance market today is uh quite distressed uh we've seen a 56% increase in the reinsurance and we purchased to protect the joint Insurance Fund from catastrophic property claims uh medical cost inflation has taken a toll as well you probably seen that own health
insurance benefits and wage replacement on workers compensation claims has increased almost 17% over the last 3 years so this is obviously has an impact on our budget and then looking at some of the recent statutory and Regulatory changes covid-19 the new jerse
legislature deemed that uh First Responders who contracted covid were deemed to have contracted it while on the job and eligible for workers compensation benefits on a Statewide basis that has cost The Joint Insurance Fund about $25 million and about
$800,000 here in the local bro jip something new that we've experienced something that's really started to Bubble up as workers compensation reopener employees have two years from the date of their last medical treatment to reopen their workers compensation claim so petitioners attorneys are
setting their Diaries um having employees go back for another checkup that keeps the claim open and again in our case right here in Burlington County it's added about 2.3 million in additional workers compensation costs against our budget and then the pension
offset uh where the uh purs would take care of uh disability and and uh retirement benefits for those that were injured on the job they're now pushing that back onto the joint Insurance funds under workers compensation so again that's had an impact on us as well and then there's social inflation uh we all
know that uh our police today are under attack uh New Jersey police departments have paid at least 87 almost $88 billion in uh claims since 2019 and uh what's interesting is it's very difficult to defend these claims against your officers and that's why we
do have some specialized police Consulting that that comes along with the joint insurance and I'll talk about in the moment flipping over to page three um this is not just a New Jersey situation it is a Worldwide Insurance crisis it's affecting all of the joint Insurance funds and insurance companies
reinsurance costs account for about 46% of our budget that's what protects us from catastrophic claims and again it hits all lines of coverage property liability cyber and workers compensation why is this happening taking a look at what's driving up some of these property
costs well global warming and the increasing natural disasters we all know about the floods what's occurring down in Houston Texas right now uh natural disasters like the fires out in California um hurricanes things of that nature putting pressure on this
worldwide Market that's obviously impacting our reinsurance as well uh just last year there were 28 separate $1 billion property was events in the United States uh we've seen a significant increase in the cost of materials and labor and auto repair
costs have also skyrocketed I'll talk about that a little bit later on in my presentation turning over to page five i' just like to show you an illustration of the different difference between our local budget where we can control our cost um on the local level that's about
54% of our budget and then about 46% of that is affected by the reinsurance market itself and the factors that I just discussed a minute ago flipping over to the next page is a pie chart I like to use this to illustrate the fact
that we we are very um conscious of our expenses We Run The Joint Insurance Fund on less than 10 cents on the dollar uh I think that's significant when you look around and you see that there are other joint Insurance funds around the state that are running at about 20 cents on
the dollar insurance companies usually average around 2 uh 32 cents on the dollar so uh I think we are very very efficient as an organization and then looking over to the next page our strong bottom line which is so very very important to us we've been around for 32
years we've got a healthy Surplus on hand to protect us from any glitches that may occur uh we've got over $14 million of cash on hand and we've released almost $14 million in dividends to our members that's money that would
have been insurance company profits obviously the chip is not a profit making organization it's a jointure of municipalities that's been returned to our members we just returned another $730,000 this past year and segregation very important when somebody injures one
of our employees or damages one of our vehicles we go after them we recover that money we put it back in the budget we pay you back any deductibles you may have suffered in the event of that and I think we've done a great job in segregation here in West Hampton Township you folks have received uh a
little over $330,000 in dividend since joining the Jil page eight I just like to ask you that you know when you do look around and you do see joint Insurance funds you want to make sure that their balance sheet is um is strong uh you want to
make sure that they're not claiming excess recoverables from reinsurers from claims that are maybe 10 or 12 years old because uh there's no way they're going to collect that money they also discount their reserves meaning that they anticipate investment income at the rate of 5 6 7% which they're obviously not
getting because they're public agencies and cannot invest in anything that is uh uh less than conservative uh administrative fees I mentioned earlier uh instead of declaring dividends they come back and answer more money because they didn't put money in the budget and
there's obviously no dividends that are declared by these other organizations and then page nine I just talked about the value added proposition of the burlco jit which is the safety and risk management training the environmental joint Insurance Fund the Employment Practices liability and public official
liability with Management Programs the Employment Practices liability help line which allows you to consult with an attorney if you have Personnel issues that need that kind of guidance cyber risk support I'll talk talked about in another slide and then the claims Management Programs the auto repair shop
program the wellness program and all of these programs are driven by the members themselves they've said hey why aren't we doing this we sit down we talk with the members we go through committee we develop programs to address those needs page 10 we talk about the training programs this all comes with your
membership we trained 700 managers and supervisors this past year we talk about things such as sexual harassment hostile work environment their role their responsibilities and having a u a helpful uh workplace for their employees we also did separate training for police
Command Staff here in the brco J we train 4ate Navy Command Staff officers talking about the same issues we also do Rank and file training online for your employees we also did online train for elected officials earlier this year and we have a separate program for your land
use board and then on the safety side of the house we do come in do on-site loss control visits we don't just account fire sing shes we meet with your staff we talk about safety issues safety equipment protected equipment uh making sure that uh your guards are in place on
grinding wheels things of that nature to prevent injuries to your employees we conduct Regional safety training right here in Burlington County we distribute safety bulletins and messages that you put up on your bulletin boards uh also the Mel safety Institute is available with inperson online and streaming
training as well just this past year we saw the training an increase by 9% we think we're doing a great job trying to create that culture of safety for our members uh the next page I really like this graph because it's something our safety director put together a couple of years ago now he's been updating it you
see a direct correlation between the number of training events safety training events that we're doing and the loss of time accident rate for injuries to your employees and I think it really is a great illustration of the benefit that training has in keeping your employees safe on the job and preventing
injuries to them moving on to page 12 I talk about Risk Management Programs I say risk management is a Step Beyond safety the Tulip Program help protect your municipality when outside organizations want to use your facilities they can go online they can get a $1 million liability policy for
the event that protects them and protects your taxpayers here in Westampton Township it's very easy to use it's an online program you get a certificate of insurance that shows that they have the coverage before they come in and use your facilities also our Certificate of Insurance guidelines were
just updated this explains how to monitor insurance requirements for vendors or contractors that are coming into town and the model identification agreement protects you this is something your solicitor works on make sure that the agreement that the contractor's attorney Drew up isn't just protecting
the contractor but and is not pushing liability onto Westampton Town sheet so that U they're agreeing to name you as an additional insurance and to defend and protect you should there be an injury on the job that wants
to name you as a as a a potential uh PL F moving on page 13 uh the environmental joint Insurance Fund this is something that came into being about 10 years ago when there was a eort insurance companies did not want to provide environmental impairment liability
coverage to municipal government uh this provides you third party liability coverage onsite cleanup cost pollution liability for public officials abandoned waste site coverage and protect your storage tank systems also you get regular bulletins with regulatory
guidance should you have it still in the township there's a 1800 1800 number they'll come out they'll deal with the uh environmental uh Protection Agency or the Department of Environmental Protection as the case may be to make sure that uh there are no fines involved
next page on page 14 cyber risk management fund this is another area where the insurance industry has really abandoned local government uh they felt as though it was too costly to Ure local government uh what we did is we went around and we created a cyber risk
management fund and basically the way it works is um everybody pays the same premium and it's based on your um your staff and your employee account but uh those members that do not do anything to protect themselves from a Cyber attack are going to have a pretty hefty
deductible and the co insur insur so and a half a million loss that could be $110,000 out of pocket if the member puts in basic security protections there would only be a $35,000 deductible intermediate security measures stepping up the protection for the member town
there would only be a $20,000 payment and if the full vote of Advan security goes in you would pay nothing in the event of claim and there's a representative here uh technology Services director Jord peruso he's a resident here in burington County he comes he works with your it people he
makes sure that you are working towards Advanced Security on your uh computer systems page 15 I talk about claims management much as we would like to we can't prevent every claim from occurring uh transitional duty is an important uh program for us it's when a doctor says
that you know Bill can come back to work on a transitional basis uh let's just make sure and until I see him again in 3 weeks that he doesn't do any lifting over 25 PBS so it gets the employee back into the workplace starts to ease them back into the routine towns can use an
extra set of hands it also saves money on disability payments Indemnity and overtime cost this past year we used close to 60% of those days where a doctor said employee can come back to work on a on transitional basis so that really helps we also have a great
medical Network we we look for the best physicians in the area the best uh specialists in the area uh we promis to provide them with a a feed of employees in return they agreed to Discount their rates and uh We've saved about 54% over
what retail would be for uh using these PHS and they do a great job for us and then again our defense panel these are local attorneys uh many of them in Burlington County firms like par McKay uh Kart scatchard they're familiar with the local attorney bar familiar with the
court venue and again they're very knowledgeable in defense of public entities and they use those titl n defenses you know there used to be a saying you can't Suit City Hall and uh you know we used to have strong immunity from municipal government back in the early 60s that all changed with a
lawsuit in Newark New Jersey and now people can sue municipalities but they have to follow these guidelines and one of the guidelines is they have to file a tore claim notice questionnaire and you folks have adopted that by resolution and we have copies of that sometimes where has to provide that to the court
to show that you know plist attorney has why that requirement uh page 16 a couple of years ago I started to notice our auto repair costs were really escalating and I talked to the fellow that does our Auto damage appraisals and I said Leo what's going on here he said well you know
what's happening is these body shops you know you'll get an estimate $3,000 and then they'll come back and say well you know we found some hidden damage there's another $4,000 well we put a stop to that there's no more supplemental repairs allowed unless we can come back out and look at the vehicle or at least
get some photographs and verify those damages have occurred other thing why are we storing our vehicle while it's waiting to be repaired at the body shop and paying storage fees why can't we keep it in the municipal lot so things things like that we are um addressing to
trying to reduce those auto repair costs and that's just the tip of the iceberg also a wellness program we implemented about 10 years ago what we learned is healthy employees get injured less often they recover more quickly and that's why we have a wellness director
Debbie shiffer she comes out conducts webinars talks to your staff helps Implement uh Wellness programs maybe puts on Wellness fair for your employees great newsletter comes out each month and if you look at the next page it really does pay you do pay a price for C
on page 18 what we asked our claims people to do is identify those workers compensation injuries where the employee had uh a comorbidity like smoking diabetes hypertension high cholesterol or obesity and what we found as we've
been collecting this data since 2019 is that the total cost of the workers compensation claim is 82% higher than those employees with V morbidities versus those that do not we also noted that the total ending and medical cost was over 100% higher for those employees
and then the last one on the lower right hand side they lost time out of work for an employe comorbidities is 86% longer for those than employees that are do not have those comorbidities so that's why we implement the we program to see you
can also control workers compensation cost and it's a good thing to do for your employees so in conclusion the J is flexible we're efficient we look for input from our members it's a member driven organization we fund commissioner acely participates in development of
these programs by serving on committees the finance committee sets the budget determines what is paid out to the vendors and we're always looking for feedback from our members you know for example during Co we had to go into virtual meetings well after Co the members were saying you know it's kind
of tough to get out of town to get to a meeting can we start to to mix it up a little bit so we do half of our meeting virtually the other half we do in person and uh we see that that works uh really well and it's good for them to get together because it's clerks and administrators that kind of share
information and and gives them the chance to have some face a FaceTime as well and also most of our safety training and elected official training sessions are now available online so as a governing body of P 20 you folks are the policy makers so we ask to support
the joint Insurance Fund support the programs the wellness program transitional Duty online training for your staff the cyber security awareness initiatives and the law enforcement Risk Management Services that's where we come in we know that in order to defend claim
against your police officers we want to make sure that the documentation is tight that there's signin sheets for the training that's been provided so those are so other the things we'll talk with your police chief about to make sure that we've got a real strong defense in the event that uh there are allegations made against our police officers so we
have a great website uh and then inside the back cover there is a handout for you that covers in more detail some of the things I talked about uh this evening and uh happy to entertain any questions that you have at this time the the car repair yes so is that
instead of us getting car accident say for our police Fleet or or some other Fleet yeah basically what you know you do is like you normally do you call the claim into the uh Claims Administrator and uh you would pick your body shop and
The Body Shop basically has agreed to comply with this program so for example if they have to upfit the vehicle uh we're not going to pay retail for that we're going to make sure that parts are obtained through State contract um we're going to make sure that the vehicle is
not kept at the body shop and it's waiting 3 or 4 weeks to be repaired let's get it back over to the municipal garage so this is instead of buying our own car insance oh absolutely yeah it's through the joint Insurance Fund yes okay secondly um this came up a couple
of months ago we passed a new ordinance that allows some of our activities to have alcohol uh with someone with a correct you know uh alcohol permission or whatever if someone gets at an accident or someone has a problem are we covered under GIF or is that a separate
thing y you're covered under the joint Insurance Fund if it's your organization and they not the business of selling alcohol but it's for a fundraiser event like that um there is host liability provided by The Joint Insurance thank you what's the acronym tulip the Tulip
program yeah the Tulip program that's a great program it's you know somebody wants to come in use your facilities um and let's suppose somebody gets hurt and it's because of the people that rent the facility uh you want to make sure that your taxpayers are not putting bill for
that so basically um your fund commissioner or your med consultant can direct them to a website where they go and pay Buy credit card to get a $1 million liability polic of the day cost anywhere from $80 to $120 depending on
the is there a a longer term program yes so you can specify how long the event is going to take place let say it's over you have three or four days for week long okay thank you sure you're
welcome anybody else your membership in the G and thanks again for your time this evening appreciate your time thank you very much now getting to the approval of minutes J 25th 2024 regular meeting minutes do we have a motion Berkeley move second any
discussion roll call Berkeley yes CL yes right yes mayor Henley yes motion passes 4 Z One June June 25th 2024 executive session minutes we have a
motion I make a motion for the executive session minutes second Berkeley any discussion roll call Berkeley yes Carr yes right yes mayor Henley yes motion
passes 401 Department reports we have the tax tax collector report construction Fire EMS police and Public Works we're now open the meeting for public comment on agenda items only please remember to state your name and address for the record reminder this portion is for comment only
with no public comments do we have all in favor to close I okay ordinances first reading an ordinance of the township of Westampton amending Westampton Township Code chapter 209 entitled storm water control
do we have a motion is this first reading or second reading first first I make a motion for 10-24 second any discussion mayor I noticed um it's a lot more than just storm Waters the thing about if you cut a tree down
you have to plant a tree you cut a big tree down you have to plant three big trees um and there's something that says you can wash your car you can wash your driveway you can wash your sidewalk but it doesn't say you can wash the mold off the side of your house so I would like
to add that because I know last year my house had mold on the outside and I had to pay a pretty penny to get it washed off and if we're trying to conserve water and conserve water going into the ground you you just can't get so petty but it's something that I think we need
to add and I'm and I am concerned about the Trees of you know might have a 100y old tree that's this wide and it falls down and I have to take it down now I have to plant six trees in its place and the
township has to tell me what trees I have to plant that that just I think that's just going a little too far thank you so mayor if I go ahead yeah all right so just by way of explanation um these are model
ordinances from the d uh similar to the last storm can't hear you all right there we go huh you can hear me either I do better job I'm sorry guys all right is that better all right so uh
at the believe the last meeting or one of the last meetings we adopted sto storm water management rules under the same chapter uh that's a general ordinance that the D updates every few years and mandates that the municipality uh adopts uh with
certain certain matters within the ordinance are changed to fit the municipality like designation of who is the responsible party whether it's construction officer or the zoning officer or in larger municipalities that might have an environmental officer uh
what we noticed when was working with other staff in adopting that is when the D came up with its updates in 2020 2021 the town repealed and replaced everything that was within this chapter
that included the model ordinances that are now being re reopt the tree ordinance the pet waste ordinance the um power washing or car washing ones I believe the salt ordinance is in there as well uh so essentially the the
township has been out of compliance with with those for the last few years and this is to bring the township back into compliance with the requirements um and as far as the replacement of the trees this is what's recommended um and required by the DP model ordinance um
the purpose of mandating which types of trees is to ensure that it's not invad of species and you're using when you're doing plantings you're doing Native Native species and um those species are designated by per I believe per Zone by
the d uh and that's what's being followed in in the ordinance so we're required to have permission to cut down a tree and replace it with six trees or is it recommended we do it this way that specific provision I'll have to
go I'll have to check with the engineer and and review whether it's there's any permission if it's permissive at all or what's required by the state regulations I just think that sometimes we go a little bit too far this is from the D correct make sure
from the state correct so it's not us going too far it's the state going too far is it required or is this suggestion it's required that if I cut down my big tree I have to plant six trees in its place is that the that's a big expense for
me well I'm just answer I'm not saying I don't I don't agree with you I'm saying that that's what the state provision is I don't I mean I wouldn't cut down a tree and put up six trees but I would want more I would want more information before I cut down the tree before I cut
down the tree I would want to know what Provisions are in place that I have to that I have to complete and why am I cutting down the tree I think it just I'm not going against what you're saying I just I understand what you're saying I'm just saying I would want to ask more questions I wouldn't just cut down the tree and put up six trees I don't think that that provision is asking everyone
to do that I've seen plenty people cut down trees and put up no tree so so I don't know that that happens every you see what I'm saying I don't think that happens every time but in my particular even when you know what my particular area we have trees that are this wide I was going to say remember when PS cut
down the trees yeah they didn't PL anything they didn't PL so that's my point right like that was in that was across the street from your house I know I'm still waiting for them to plant things you and I both I'm just asking you if you would look at it to see if we're getting a
little bit too picky and too far fair enough yes for for the second reading I'll be prepared to answer whether um the six tree replacement is required or permissive uh and also whether there's any exceptions to uh the the requirement
to replace the trees and sometimes they're saying you're required to plant two trees that are 4 in in diameter you know mhm so I I'm not happy with this sorry but it's probably because I live in a five block area that probably this
hits harder than most people in West iic Woods has a lot of trees what sir I said IC Woods has a lot of trees well you don't think so I couldn't understand you I'm sorry iic Woods has a lot there we go iic Woods has a lot of
correct yeah fair enough and Bob will get the information roll call Berkeley stain car yes mango yes right yes may Henley yes M passes 401
resolution 101 d24 payment of vouchers this resolution approves the payment of bills through 79 2024 do we have a motion motion second any discussion uh mayor
the last time I brought up a a question about this that there were certain things at the end that were not added and I can understand we had a new person and they're trying to get new to things but it was things like overtime uh medical things um par people who were
working just in the summer um and DMS and I was told that the person's getting used to it and it would be this time and it's not here now is that what the conversation was wasn't it about the bill list and it was
talking about the the new personal performance CFO duties I believe it was you can exaggerate I don't know that it was that it was there was some things that were missing nothing was missing from the bill list it's just the deductions were not made from the particular line items
in the budget so he's still working on it he was made aware that you had asked for it he is working on it but it's it's not here right no it's not in this current bill list no roll call berley yes
CLA yes M yes right yes M hry stay motion passes 401 consent agenda resolution resolution note consent agenda items are considered to be routine and will be enacted with one single motion any items requiring
expenditure are supported by the certification of availability of funds any items requiring discussion will be removed from the consent agenda do we have a motion move Berkeley second any discussion I just have a
question um on B uh for our administrator or our clerk could you tell us um how many hours a week this person will work is it is it coming in or is it seasonal or how are we doing this for $500 a month he is the CFO of
record and he will be available anytime the finance clerk needs him he will not be coming into the office he'll be working remotely it's mainly to be able to coign things that are required yes ma'am thank you will call pery yes CL yes no
right yes may yes motion passes 5 we open a meeting for public comment please remember to state your name and address for the record reminder this is for comment only was [Music] no being know I can hold a note like
that all Heather Kelly 69 grenage Drive um I this is not directed at Mr tayor at all but I have been trying to get the curb that was taken off of my property replaced since last December um I have talked to him many
times um he has had the contractor come to my house personally he told me that it would get done well actually he I'm sorry he told me I didn't need it replaced a contractor yes uh Brian
someone but all of the dirt from my yard is on my sidewalk and it has been since last October or November when it was taken out um so I don't know what I have to do to get it replaced um I also he said he
had to look at in April he said he had to look at pre-construction pictures I mean I have pictures showing it was there um but if he wants to look at his I totally get that um but I just I need an update I mean there's rocks
everywhere um while he was there I brought up the fact that the the red block that has the bumps in it the warning something or another it's full of grass already I mean it's not even 6 months old he told
me a I could spray some weed killer B and I said can't you put polymeric sand there which blocks the weeds then he told me I could have cuz I said I shouldn't have to mow this after 5 months I mean if it was 10 years old fine I'm
like it hasn't even the grass hasn't even grown yet this was in April he told me that it's Township property that that could tell them so I don't know if public works that's come to my house to mow that and obviously that's a joke
but I don't think that the fix is to spray weed killer or for me to mow it every day when they just did it and I'm sure they've been paid I think it should be done properly fair enough um I don't I'm assuming that they're also probably the same company
that pave the roads they've left piles of asphalt all over tfield I mean I'm talking a pile not like a few a pile on people's grasses um I'm going to make another
assumption that they painted the white lines like there's a like a like where people stop at the stop sign um I don't know my literally my 8-year-old could have done a better job literally um and then the last thing is
someone just replaced the stop sign I don't know if that was Public Works I did not call about this yet but it's very high um I don't know if it's supposed to be a certain length but it there's also a big gap in where the hole is so someone could probably knock it
over I didn't want to push it cuz I didn't want to be the one to knock it over but I also don't want a bunch of kids to knock in it certain and then I'm the one walking by when it falls um and then I have a question about the storm water bill or ordinance
so was that passed and you I know you don't have to answer me first reading thank you um I think that's it I'm sorry for your experience manam but I'm sure and again like he's been working with me so I mean this is not at him at all but I
mean it's been since October or November yeah that's way too long I mean you I cut my grass and it's just full of rocks rocks go flying everywhere um you you said there's bball on your grass not on mine personally but I walk around the neighborhood a lot um
there is a large pile right across the street from me though on griwi yes okay I mean it's like this big um and you said your curb is missing so I don't know if that's the correct term for it it's a cur curb that was on
my property it's not the curb in the street so like a cement let me do this Chris what is can you give us a better description of or add to the description that Miss Kelly I don't know what it what's the what's the issue what's
going on there what is the curb thing called on my [Music] property Chris microphone please thank you sorry so the issue right now is is they came in and they paved um finished work
hasn't been completed yet who's that uh arak which is the Paving Company we're looking at as of my email last week they're looking to replace they're looking to do the Finish finish work uh first week in September I've been on them I've been keeping at it with them
I've been talking to Brian frequently about the issues going on um the asphalt she brought up actually was brought up in the email last week with them as well so kind of having a conversation with them I just had a is there any way we can get them to do a sooner than September um the problem is is your
growing season right now is too hot so they can't if they come in and do the finished work you're not going to get grass to take right now so you got to kind of wait till the last like the last couple weeks in August into September to actually get anything to grow can not directly to
you um the that would be an engineer question I have to kind of have a conversation with him and figure it out um when I had originally talked to him he had said that it's not necessary um and we were going to kind of let the finish work play out and see
how it worked out before it was where engineers said that what's that I'm sorry did the township engineer said that yeah that was Brian yeah who said this Brian Brian works for who who's he work the township engineer yeah ala all right
I'll take care of that but um you said I'll take care of that the needy part and go ahead you said aox started this October they started this last they started this project back in November it was they were supposed to it was supposed to be paved and everything was
supposed to be completed before cold season kicked well cold season kicked before they got all the concrete work done so the project had to lead till spring fast forward to about summer yeah fast forward to about summer and they finally
got the paving done but the finished work still is incomplete there thank you we'll talk M Kelly we'll talk offline but I I'll make I'll have that call that conversation tomorrow and you can call the office or you can get my phone number to follow up with me to make sure if you want to hold me
accountable but I can guarantee you that I will n i take your word for it but o is definitely going there thank you thank you thank you any other comments with no other comments do we
have um all in favor to close i i d to remember next Township meeting is August the 6 at 700 p.m. we may want to take a look at that I think that's the same date as National Night Out I'm not if I'm not mistaken first or second we'll say look
at it all right maybe we can if it's okay with everybody else maybe we have the meeting earlier somehow we make an adjustment so that we can support our our police officers um else I lost my TR Oh Land Development board meeting is September 4th at 700
p.m. but we have Del development meeting that hasn't happened yet in July um date is that supposed to be tomorrow believe that they it was canel again okay yeah uh development board meeting September
4th at 7:00 p.m. historic commission at July 24th at 7 p.m. Recreation committee meeting July 10th at 7 p.m. do we have any comments from uh from our committee leaon or just comments in general leaon uh to the HPC I believe
everyone got a letter from the chair of the HPC and we're trying to tighten up some of the ordinances and make them more clear so that people understand what they can and cannot do um we're leaving it in your hands I don't know if you want to a subcommittee want to look
at it together with uh Bob uh but we've been trying to change them for probably seven or eight years and uh I think it's time that we update them so I wish we could get on that thank you no worri anyone else
no only I am left so I know that trash collection has been a topic of conversation so my understanding is we have three bids that we went
over I can only speak for myself I haven't made a decision yet of where I would vote for the trash election or where we would go but these are the options and this is what I'm looking at so I only again can speak from my perspective our contrast collection
is a little bit more expensive than some other options I'm also someone that thinks that you get what you pay for so being a little bit more expensive necessarily doesn't sway me but that is something
that I you know that that weighs on me however with our current track collection from March 7th 2023 until present we have 168 complaints just some of the complaints trash was
not picked up the week before uh someone got their mailbox hit dumpster was not empty um trash was not picked up two
sofas left and not picked up trash was not picked up um so when when're making a vote right and and to be fair I've had no issue with our trash collection they picked up
everything that I put out um but it's not again and I've said this a million times it's not really about my experience it's really about being a fiduciary party of the township and making the best decision for the township hence why I haven't made a decision of which way I would vote now
they we have an option of where we have the cartons and we would we we would pay for the cartons and then the the the residents are allowed to buy an additional Carton and then we have an option where they include the cartons but then
the residents can't get additional additional carton I've also brought up and when we've talked about it that maybe we have a station where residents can drop off additional trash if they want to that we can we can look at and manage as well so these are things that
again I've kind of going back and forth with right like again to make the the best decision for the town the best decision for Sandy Henley is to keep what we have but there's 168 complaints that maybe say maybe it's not that's not the best
decision right so also I would say when we're talking about getting the cart because there there was some I I read the post there were some replies where people said you know just asking different questions about the cartons fair enough one question I did ask is how much does
it cost for a person to get an additional carton that's something that we need to know I think that's a question that we need to ask to make sure that it's affordable that every resident who wants a carton can get one right and that it's it's affordable to them but
also there's two things one when when they have more trash what what are people going to do right we want to present those options um what about our seniors the one thing that I that I heard that it's could be tough for our seniors to to Lug us 64
gon trash can in and out of their house these are these are things that you got to play off of that you got to think about when when you cast that vote so these are things that that I'm considering again how I'm going to vote I mean I'm leaning a couple different
ways but I need to have some more questions answered oh that's what I was going to say I forgot Mo the TR so the reason why a lot of the reason why Township seem to be going with the c is because you limit yourself because
there's not so if you think about a business-wise a trash truck that can have one person on there that can lift these cartons up and dump it are more efficient in their pricing in the way they can do business versus having
multiple people in the truck how when I was a kid they used to do it right and then somebody's driving and two people are putting the trash in there so as time goes on right like I think we have the three bids one of them is a regular trash collection the other two are the
same company but they're using the claw to get the trash cans right so as time goes on this may be become Obsolete and if this becomes Obsolete and we're behind the curve now do we pay more for the same product right because we waited
too long to to get in which we go and understand that that's been the situation so that's kind of the play back and forth right like and I agree Willingboro people complained right East Hampton people complained I know people who live in all these towns and they all complain but it may be one of those
things that we have to get used to because if not we might catch a bad one later on down the line of what we're going to get or what we're going to pay for etc etc so that's what my thoughts are with the
trash and I'm sure it'll come up and we'll talk about it more but I also wanted you guys to know that it's not something just like anything else I'm not taking lightly like I'm trying to do my research trying to find out what's best for everybody and what makes sense and then how the people who are who have
an issue like there's people have an issue who contacted me and they said they're the ones who Bo up the station right to have a station or something where people can drop all trash if they get something extra so that's something that we're trying to implement to maybe see how it how much it costs and if people don't come and use it then maybe
we get we don't get we get up rid of it for 3 years because we're paying for something that we're not using right but all three bids are less expensive than the bid we have now than what we're paying now so that is a part of the positive the of the whole thing so with
that being said do we have a motion to adjourn nope no oh I forgot I put my paper may do you have this in front of you to to look at no I have the old stuff on the phone but I've seen it because what we were giving is one of
the arm automatic arm is 700,000 more than what we do now which one is that uh that's the one where give us I know why you're saying that because one's a five your contract finish the other is $188,000 more so the one that is the
least expensive is continuing what we do now with our own trash can I don't believe that's that's that's not true that's not accurate that's not true that's what I was given I know but that's not accurate Odis did the numbers and you're looking at we have a current three-year contract and that's a
five-year contract yes ma'am certainly oh microphone please I do um two questions about carage one is what is the size of the can is proposed
64 gallons I think that is that accurate how many huh 96 86 96 okay because the on you can buy at home I looked before I left Home Depot and are like 4850 he's a 96 he's a little bit bigger the second question is I know you're concerned
about 168 people and complaints but isn't that only 2% of residents of Westampton well how many percent of the people who don't want it I didn't understand no see what I'm saying like it's it's really a balance
you're worried about 168 I I respect that but that's only 2% of our residents we're 9,000 right that's what ,6 I've bln that number before but no I understand what you're saying right but so if you want to break it down to percentages then what's the percentage
of the of the number of residents who care is probably less than 168 hard to say that's not hard to say I mean you can look at you can look at the numbers but what what I'm saying is is that that's why you know people have this phrase
right that that elections have consequences but that's why you have the elected people up here to try to to make sense of it like I'm not hanging my hat on the 168 people just like I'm not hanging my hat on the 35 comments on Facebook I'm trying to make sense of
what is best for our community right and what we can do because here's the thing and I can tell you this I mean I'm 6 years or seven years in now but it seems like yesterday people will hold the people up here accountable if 3 years down the
line we end up paying a lot more than what we could have paid now right so that's a part that we have to look at as well like ma'am I and I apologize I don't remember your name but people won't hold the one person or the 35 people online or even these 168
people they'll say you remember when Sandy Henley was the mayor he's the one who decided not to do xyzxyz so that's why Sandy Henley is trying to do his research and do the best thing we can I've looked at the numbers that we paid prior to even the contract we have now
and the numbers that we pay now and then the numbers that we have going forward I've been in extensive discussions with not only our administrator our assistant administrator um committee M car Bob and I still don't have an answer so it's not
it's not easy trust me I don't want to make it look like it is don't we also have to go with low bidder the low's bidder is not the one we have okay to my understanding and ab you could tell me so
that's where we're at man okay but it's not a decision we're making today no that's fine I was just I wanted to point out that it's less than 2% so I wasn't it wasn't see you know what I did I looked at it a different way I looked at it like it was like that there's 70 weeks approximately right give or
take 70 weeks 168 comments 168 complaints is how much per week especially if you're only getting trash with up a week they're getting more we're getting more than two two complaints per week if you break it down on average gotcha right and
again I've had a fantastic experience yeah and I've never had a problem they picked up everything that I put out believe me I put out some things so I had no issue but it's tough because when you're sitting here that's not really the thing right like just because it was
good for me I can't ignore this just like I'm not going to ignore you right you're asking the right questions cuz I didn't realize it was 96 like 96 gallons is a pretty big trash can but that's also you know not to get off on the tangent my
grandfather's 86 years old like how would he grab he now he'll tell me he can take a 96 gallon trash can out but I don't know that he can right so how does that work for our seniors is that is that the same size as the recycling cans or is it bigger that's the same size I
can do the recycling but recycling I wasn't calling you a senior man we're the same age um but recyclables are not as Heavy D as your trash but you see my point like that's something that you have to
consider like we have a community that may struggle getting getting the can out but what does that who what's the percentage of that right according to it adding that to the percentage of people who don't want it and then looking at the percentage of people who are complaining like it's not it's not an
easy decision it's it's it's not as easy it's not as cut and dry as it as it may look and it's and I think that it deserves the attention because even if it's and I've been and I've been fair with this through through my career even if it's five people who don't want it it
deserves a it deserves a look right it deserves a second look it deserves more attention it deserves some questions to be asked and it deserves to have like a fair thought so if I see you somewhere we can have a conversation I know what I'm talking about I'm not just like well I mean it is what it is like nobody
wants to hear that so it's appreciate thank you ma'am I appreciate coming out so with that being said resolution how do we do what do we do 222 Olive Street ran hocus um when we had the recycling pins there was a
period where they offered the half siize pins okay I would suggest seeing if that is a possibility from this company if they do offer 48s things you write that down particularly for senior citizens or somebody who's I think that's a great
idea thank you just came to me thanks that was thank you one question okay hi my name Ison Thompson 72 I'll talk to you Karen how are you we did I'm good how are you I'm well um I just have a question as to these
proposals will these be made public to Residents to look at because with all due respect it doesn't sound like all of you are on the same page with pricing even to be able to have a educated discussion about this I don't I think
it's up to if we're allowed to do it I don't mind residents because it's cut and dry right and then then you can have a more educated conversation about it so if it's something that we that makes sense that we could do I don't have an issue doing that Bob do you want to research that because you look
like okay uh so if you submit an OP request for the the bids and bid tabulations some of the documents are are public records at this point and can be released to you some of them are
count are exempt under Oprah um because it's between when bid opening happened and prior to being awarded but if you submit an Oprah request uh whatever can be released will be okay thank you and you know if you call me I can't hold water
so I thought it would be on the agenda I actually called and talk to sh he told me yeah I was like oh I know her I was just you know curious cuz I know it's been like a top n that's what we on today quite a few meetings now it's got
to be coming to a head soon one would assume but you know what they say about people who assume so not on the microphone um but you know I just figured eventually this should be on the agenda absolutely you know we all live
here just like you guys absolutely a th% all right thank you ma'am it's good to put the name with the face though thank you resolution number 79 2024 resolution authorizing the township committee and support staff to meet and private session authorizing exclusion of the public from that portion of the meeting
dealing with specific issues requiring public discussion attorney client privilege personnel and contract negotiations do we have a motion Berkley move any discussion are we coming back and voting I'm voting on what no on a
trash no I thought we had to decide by the uh end of July no I'm not decid anything tonight I'm just asking fair enough that's what I remember hearing last time that we had
to do it soon oh Roll Call Berkley yes car yes yes right yes may H yes Mo pass is 5 that's Jim huh oh I am old